JP+ Group Development Zone

[haughty monolith]

(not about the lights I believe you something could've gone wrong there)

The bananas entry for the signals links to the forums page for the signals. Which in turn has a link to the GitHub page.

I will disappoint you however with the fact this won't be fixed by me anytime, likely ever. If I put in the effort again I'll be doing a whole new set from scratch.

[shrewd wren]

Maglev has nice precombined switches now too

[peak zinc]

gotta go fast

[wild geode]

Nyoooom

[bleak glade]

Wow I didn't know this was possible with track sets. Is this possible with catenaries too or no because that's a separate layer?

[shrewd wren]

Separate layer

Tracks have special precombined prop for drawing every switch variant manually
Not sure what other trackset does this

[wild geode]

That’s gorgeous

Should do the front facing guide rails of SC Maglev as catenary so trains can sit in it properly 😛

I dunno how junctions would work

🤷🏻‍♀️

[haughty monolith]

was it normal the game inserts a "normal" narrow guage track into the track list when using jp+ tracks?

[crude phoenix]

No, that track is coming from another NewGRF. Iron Horse perhaps?

[haughty monolith]

using jp+ and other japanese trains

[crude phoenix]

screenshot of your track list?

[haughty monolith]

it allows me to purchase (just) these.

[crude phoenix]

Ah, I think those are added by JapanSet

[haughty monolith]

we're supposed to use japanset right?

[crude phoenix]

No, JP+ replaces it

[haughty monolith]

oh it does?

[crude phoenix]

JP+ Engines hasn't needed JapanSet for a while now

[haughty monolith]

this be weird then

[crude phoenix]

yeah I forgot to get rid of that in the last update

[haughty monolith]

might be worth removing/replacing

[crude phoenix]

It's already gone in the current version, just not on bananas yet

although I swear there was a way to run JapanSet trains without it adding extra track types?

you're not running JapanSet Tracks as well right?

[haughty monolith]

no

that actually actively displays an error

[crude phoenix]

yes because it would exceed the 64 railtype limit

[haughty monolith]

nope

a proper error

[crude phoenix]

Ah, nice one

wonder if we should do the same with JapanSet Trains, but there are still a couple of trains that aren't yet in JP+

I don't know what you're doing to make JapanSet load extra railtypes, I just tried it and I'm not getting any

[haughty monolith]

funny

maybe the extra? (add on)

[shrewd wren]

Japanset trains adds some tracks by default, check the japanset params to disable them

[crude phoenix]

Oh yeah, I forgot there's a parameter

this is off by default anyway

[shrewd wren]

Was on for me all the time for some reason 🧐

[haughty monolith]

why am i blind?

[shrewd wren]

We really should add all of those missing trains to jp+ and just throw an error if anything from japanset is loaded

[haughty monolith]

i swear i had tripple checked for such an option cause i had already done that with two separate road vehicle sets.

[crude phoenix]

Ah now it's on by default

turns out I have several versions of JapanSet, some with and some without that parameter

[haughty monolith]

interesting indeed

[timber sandal]

Hey, why don't JNR EMU's show real formation compare to ones from private companies?

[crisp stone]

The list of formations would be so long

[crisp stone]

And because it is done by a different person I suppose, even if it’s all JP+

I might however put in a suggestion formation, but I’d rather make a wiki for it

[peak zinc]

does listing real formations make any sense, as this set allows the player to freely adjust the train lenght?

[buoyant swan]

yes it's nice to provide a guide for more unfamiliar players

otherwise people create the most cursed consists somehow

and I like using real-ish consists but finding sources on them can be a chore, so I use the formations in private a lot

[digital river]

[peak zinc]

cursed?

https://i.imgflip.com/6qqhl3.jpg

[frank moon]

Quick question, is there some setting I need to adjust to make tunnel draw over trains properly?
It seems they draw on top of the train rather than showing the train going through the tunnel.

This doesn't seem to happen with some of the other tunnel types, where it does seem to show up properly:

(Using JP+ Tracks 0.6.0)

[peak zinc]

I had an similer issue with train depots...

[shrewd wren]

That's a bug, it seems that arctic, desert and japanset grass tunnels are affected by it
It'll be fixed in the next version

[frank moon]

Champ 🤩 . This NewGRF is amazing btw, looks really nice!

I also noticed with the tunnels for slabs that there's 3 pixels or so of the train showing at the end of the tunnel:

But that's a much more minor thing 🙂

[shrewd wren]

It has to do with how templates and bounding boxes are set up, but it was bothering me as well, maybe i'll lengthen the portal a few pixels back

[shrewd wren]

Last sprites of 2025
New depot,
Tobu 80000 and 90000 series

[neon light]

👏

[torn tree]

👍

[frank moon]

❤️

[crude phoenix]

I should add those to JP+ Engines lol

[peak zinc]

adaptor coach with both automatic and chain couplars?

[crude phoenix]

Looks like it

I believe it's a MaNi 50

[kindred karma]

and ONi 23, modified NaHaNeFu 23

[peak zinc]

interestingly the JNR coach seems to be about the same width as the orient express coach...

i wonder how large is the difference in loading gauges

(the question is which, as countries in europe have diffrent loading gauges AND the loading gauges were increased in interbellum and postwar period in continental europe, but not in UK)

[late snow]

it wouldnt suprise me if the loading gauge is 1:1 with bernese

[kindred karma]

bogie is swapped

[peak zinc]

loading gauge =/= track gauge

and basicly every railway network uses a couple of loading gauges

[neon light]

japans loading gauge is larger than the uks

its quite funny

[civic path]

Hi guys
Quick question: I tried to have the wooden ties tracks without fence and grass. It seems, that the grass is not being displayed while this is working on the low-grade tracks. Is this a bug or am I misunderstanding something?

[shrewd wren]

That's how it was coded
Fixed in the dev version on github, as well as possibility to select grass/non-grass fence per type was added

[young roost]

B-E-A-Utiful...

[young roost]

I figured out the trick to these marvelous 4 way, 6 lane avenue intersections... but I can't seem to figure out the two lane, into 6? Is there a knack I am missing?

[shrewd wren]

Use "L" piece to make a plain asphalt tile without sidewalks

For avenues I usually do things like this

[young roost]

Ah ok, so these intersections dont use these graphics then?

[shrewd wren]

Don't really remember, these are all for t crossings, must be a variant with median that is the only one that can be used

Road sprite capabilities are really limited

[young roost]

Totally understand, you've pushed the envelope pretty far!

[buoyant swan]

Haha I inquired about the same thing a bit ago

Once you figure it out you can get things lookin real good

[royal nimbus]

@shrewd wren does JP+ have more than 64 railtypes?

[royal nimbus]

seems like it which doesn't make sense since nml doesn't allow that

also whatsup with the cobble trackless not being avaliable

[shrewd wren]

I have 64, a few more are hidden under params, but those reuse ids

[shrewd wren]

Will check this one tomorrow

[royal nimbus]

hmm reusing id's is smart I guess the game doesn't like me turning them all on since that becomes 65

[shrewd wren]

By turning params on, you can't go over 64, because tracks are overwritten, not added

[royal nimbus]

I seem to

mono is making it fail for me

although I think there is some other mystery one too

[shrewd wren]

Ah mono must be loaded if any grf that uses it is loaded,
I set mono label into alt table for the guideway track, but I guess it's not the way to remove monorail track

[royal nimbus]

I have to turn of the invis and guideway for it to work

it's not

although I am only using jp+mu

[shrewd wren]

I guess I can overwrite mono with universal underground type

[royal nimbus]

you could but why

and I still have to turn off two types which makes no sense at all

[shrewd wren]

Jp+ don't and won't have monorails as trains
But I will make monorail/underground type tweakable, so people can still have that

[royal nimbus]

64-1 != 62 yet I can only turn on 62 Jp+ tracks

[wild geode]

While we're at it, the parameter to disable the other ground types for industrial tracks is broken for the ground options again. Wensim I thought had a PR to fix it? I wonder if the changes got clobbered elsewhere.

[shrewd wren]

Weird one, I'll look into this too

[shrewd wren]

Don't know, I never had an issue like this
All default labels are being used, and track IDs are all being set in range 0..63

[royal nimbus]

fair

[wild geode]

might need to use that console command to dump the railtypes table

find out what's nicking ID's

[royal nimbus]

nothing is though or maybe JEC6 breaking

defo that

[shrewd wren]

Ah deco tracks are using leftover IDs, must be a reason for some issues
I never have standard gauge industrial tracks turned on, so must be why I never experienced the issue

[wild geode]

Yeah the only deco track I even use is the ISR ones. For the trackless variety enough to match the rest of the regular rails I have loaded is also nice.

[shrewd wren]

Now that's a pain to think over
How do I fit the unfittable in "non default" param preset

[royal nimbus]

that's why I made multple grfs

[wild geode]

Sometimes I wonder if splitting into multiple .grf's is a bad idea or not considering how broad the scope of JP+ tracks has crept

[royal nimbus]

sets might actually fit in one grf now that prop 34 exists

[wild geode]

I half jokingly keep wanting to ask you to do broad gauge as well for Ragin's aussie stuff 😛

[shrewd wren]

Deco tracks are the only reason why I would ever split it, but then more than 64 types pr is being kinda work on? So eh

[wild geode]

See this is why I personally like the idea of notgroundtypes, stuff like the trackless track type can save a half a dozen ID's by being combined into one entry

industrial deco tracks don't need to exist, for instance.

[shrewd wren]

It won't, ngt won't have diagonal ballasts, and will have ugly 1 by 1 "staircase"

[royal nimbus]

BGT would be awesome

that's not something you need since you only use those to fill anyway

[wild geode]

None of that was ever said btw

[royal nimbus]

could always make a triangle shaped one even if that were dumb

[wild geode]

and for the jgrpp mixed railtypes on a single tile jgr would likely just allocate more bits on the map array, he's not afraid of doing that like openttd is 😛

[shrewd wren]

It all comes to the mixed rail types on the same tile yes

[wild geode]

which doesn't exist in regular openttd, when BGT gets ported to JGRPP we'd just assign more bits in the map array.

it's not hard to do, openttd just doesn't like doing it whereas JGR doesn't mind.

[royal nimbus]

ok I see the issue now

[shrewd wren]

But it replaces the tile texture, not the track underlay texture

[royal nimbus]

still I don't think it's an issue

industrial areas can be semi square without issues

[wild geode]

I wasn't aware it was going to do the whole tile, but that said even in jgrpp there's ways around it - look at how the road crossings are done using vanilla tiles, they just draw half the tile.

It becomes more an issue for how JGRPP decides to integrate the feature rather than the underlying feature itself.

Anyways, it's all hypothetical at this stage. No code ever got written for BGT anyway.

[shrewd wren]

True, for now me will only try to fit the deco types somewhere tomorrow

[wild geode]

but in a hypothetical world with an ideal implementation of BGT I see it being quite useful.

[open falcon]

I don’t think it’s a fear of using map bits, but nobody having both the desire to pick it up and having the skills to do so

[pure salmon]

Any updates on JP+ tracks compatibility with IH4 in regards to their 'LGV' speeds of certain trains (anything over, say, 120-125 mph)?

[wild geode]

works fine, make sure to use the version on github

and a recent JGRPP or OpenTTD 15.0

[pure salmon]

not the one on bananas?

(but maybe in the future)

[wild geode]

no 0.5.9 on github doesn't work yet, you need 0.6.0+ off the github.

[pure salmon]

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPplusTracks then where?

[wild geode]

the .grf file?

[pure salmon]

thanks

then why isn't 0.6.0+ on bananas yet

[wild geode]

because yozora aint done with it yet

chill

[shrewd wren]

Alright, it's a stupid as hell solution, but in case standard gauge industrial tracks are enabled, scotch gauge will be overwritten
That's 3 ids needed, and the only one who uses those is me, with my beloved keio

[wild geode]

Chances are if you're going all in on standard gauge instead of shinkansen anyway you're probably not doing a full JP+ loadout and using Scotch gauge.

[shrewd wren]

Yeah that's my though

[wild geode]

Pity I was going to either beg for or have a crack at making a parameter to replace scotch gauge with broad gauge for Ragin's australian stuff, but that was going to need electrified, AC, DC, and unelectrified.

[shrewd wren]

Double save for me
yasss 🎉

I'm joking that it's become sort of a burden for me
But at the same time, I haven't met a single goal I had set for 2025 🥲
Someone must be sucking at setting priorities

[wild geode]

Yeah no all good

You've achieved some fantastic things though 🙂

[shrewd wren]

thank you

[shrewd wren]

alrightio, all fixed, params disabling and enabling everything as they should,
Industrial tracks appear as they should
guidetrack now uses MONO with rAA3 alt label that should be used in vehicles, turning it off brings monorail back

[wild geode]

Dunno if it's me loading an existing save but another rail type has snuck in somewhere

lemme try a new game

yeah crept in on a new game too

[shrewd wren]

try now

[wild geode]

Sugoiiiiii

Works a treat now, thanks

[edgy grove]

Is there an introductory date for road-specific depots? im in 1872 and every road has this depot

JP+ roads 0.1.1

and potentially relevant GRFs

also happens if JP+ roads is the only grf aside from eGVRTS (which i only had in to be able to check depots due to avalability reasons)

[royal nimbus]

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPplusRoads/blob/main/gfx/depots/reldred_choice.png

I doubt there's much more to see

[wild geode]

nah, depots are all static, I was whinging to Yozora about depots so they told me to go and pick one from U&Ratt since it's GPL.

then I whinged some more about there not being any tram depots

[edgy grove]

I coulda sworn we had alternate depots in jp+

[wild geode]

nope

never did

[edgy grove]

huh

[crude phoenix]

We've been spoiled by the variety of depts in U&RaTT

[haughty monolith]

You can use them together?

[wild geode]

Not really

JP+ roads basically uses all of the ID's

[shrewd wren]

Not yet but all IDs are reserved in the master plan yes

[haughty monolith]

then how do we mix them?

(to get the depots)

[wild geode]

You don’t?

[frank moon]

I was always a little curious about what the Japanese symbols mean when viewing the JP buildings in transparancy mode... so I tried a website that tries to match a symbol to what you're writing.
I don't think I got it right 🤔

[shrewd wren]

Pachinko (game) is what written here

Most of the text are just town or district names where this building is from

[frank moon]

Ah I see, neat 🙂

[ember heron]

Reminds me of that cookery video by BBC on Youtube

I laughed the whole of 4mins

refering to that translation btw

[shrewd wren]

Added setting to disable universal undergrounds, as JP+ Private no longer depends on it

[wild geode]

Nice, I'm typically happy to just do open trenches when I need to whenever I do subways

[edgy grove]

when making MU consits, am I supposed to be putting a locomotive on each end? because until now its always been a loc on the front and then just a bunch of MU cars afterwards

[crude phoenix]

No, the rear cab will appear automatically, unless you're building certain KiHa units

[edgy grove]

cool, ive always seen the warnign of "cannot be rear car of an EMU consist" but it always just worked su i wasnt sure

[crude phoenix]

That's a relic from old JP+ I think, back in the day you had to manually add the rear car

Now they're dual headed in the JP+ MU set, but JP+ Private does it a bit differently

[edgy grove]

oh? how so

[crude phoenix]

JP+ MU gives you a dual-headed unit, JP+ Private gives you a single unit and automatically makes the last car have a driving cab

The exception is the KiHa units, which require cab units to be placed at both ends. This is for maximum flexibility because IRL KiHa consists had all kinds of crazy configurations

[edgy grove]

interesting, thank you

[crude phoenix]

And they're fully flippable too, no matter how you build them, at least the ones in JP+ MU

this obviously makes the code very complex and is a big reason why we would love native flipping support in game

[crisp stone]

You should always think of a KiHa as a carraige with a cab in it - they act as single units.. the only restriction is that the code checks you've correctly got a cab facing outwards at the ends 🙂
The reason here is to let you mix up the 'railcars' in any arrangement you so please - as they did in real life, with a mix of unit types and directions.

[edgy grove]

oh cool

so with kiha do you fill up the middle with MU cars and then theres some way to specify the look or do you just do all driving cars?

[peak zinc]

there were also non-driving cars

[edgy grove]

not really the question i was asking but thank you

[peak zinc]

eg. KiRo20

if I am correct (I may be not) the MU cars are programmed to mix into plausable combinations of driving and non-driving cars in diesel consists

[crisp stone]

Depends on the KiHa 😉 With the KiHa 58 or KiHa 141, MU cars will give you no-cab middle cars (refit)

Generally, my advice would be to use driving cars for anything with a 2-digit number, MU cars for anything with a 3-digit number if you need a simple answer. 🙂

This is an area that will benefit from a wiki guide on what generally is the case

[edgy grove]

oh good lord lmao

[crisp stone]

JP+MU is an advanced set ;D

[edgy grove]

im well aware :P

[crisp stone]

And well, with the 3-digit KiHa's, not uncommon for a cab or two to be in the middle either

[bleak glade]

Where is that JP+ Kiha pdf or am i hallucinating

[crisp stone]

On a giant pile of my to-do

we have a html site even somewhere

[bleak glade]

ahh i thought i remember seeing something, maybe it was for og JapanSet3

[crisp stone]

Indeed it was

キハ35+キハ40+キハ47
+キハ58+キハ47+キハ28

🙂

[one cab + [two cab] + [one cab + one cab] + [one cab + one cab]

[peak zinc]

so basicly these operated more like individual vehicles (as in loco-hueled coaches) than like fixed sets (electric MUs)?

[neon light]

i love kiha 28/58

[nova bay]

Basically, the consists of KiHa (as long as they can operate individually) can be as flexible as you want

[shrewd wren]

More depots

[mossy night]

smash

[kindred oasis]

wow

[timid river]

Ohh yeahh here we go

[peak zinc]

Glorious

[neon light]

Amazing

[frozen prawn]

Hmm
is that X cross on tram real or fake
can tram really change direction without a turnaround track

[bleak glade]

its fake, trains will just take the green arrow, but it looks good

[frozen prawn]

I mean why trams are unable to do so

Oh yeah because some team in Europe only have single sided doors

[edgy grove]

no its just that the game is not coded with crossovers like that

[peak zinc]

but sometimes, for special temporarly operations in case of lack of sufficent stock (trams with 2 cabs and doors on both sides) single direcitonal trams can be connected into erzats for bi-directional trams

Sorry for offtop

https://www.radiowroclaw.pl/img/articles/152151/zEW6BKGsr9.jpg

yeah, Wrocław... The capital of Poland's multitrack drifting scene lol...

The local transportation buereu evan has an yearly derail counter/statistics on it's webite (SERIOUSLY)

the derailments happen so often in this city that the local tramway has became an well-known meme...

[pure salmon]

what's the purpose of restricted signals (JP+ multi-aspect signal extension for JGRPP)

[crude phoenix]

This is described in the readme, they don't show green so you can use them in situations with speed restrictions

[pure salmon]

useful for very dense railways I assume

[peak zinc]

link to the readme?

[crude phoenix]

It's available in-game

[haughty monolith]

And on the github

Note that it is a mess

[pure salmon]

E257-2500 front car (KuHa E256-2500) is gangway end, not full cab like E257-2000 front end (KuHa E256-2000) (E257-5500 front car (KuHa E256-5500) is correct as a gangway end)

(this is JP+ MU)

[bleak karma]

E257 love

[crisp stone]

Can you GitHub report that

[pure salmon]

I saw JP+ tracks just got updated to 0.7.0, what's new?

[pure salmon]

good news: now we've got LGV compatible tracks of JP+ tracks on bananas
bad news: turn on non-electrified or all standard gauge tracks, disable scotch gauge? what's with non-electrified standard gauge tracks on JP+ disabling scotch gauge? (this is most important)

[royal nimbus]

There isn't enough unique railtype local ids to have all of them be available at once

Before that it overrode the chips dirt tracks

[pure salmon]

why override scotch gauge instead of CHIPS dirt tracks for the non-electrified standard gauge tracks?

[edgy grove]

because if youre using horse, it does not make sense to have the weird incompatible gauge active

JP+ engines are the only thing that works on scotch afaik

[nova bay]

just found there is a "green car" sign on some of the MU cars 😮

that green dot

[shrewd wren]

Shh. I haven't drawn the releaser yet 🤫

And yes, scotch gauge tracks are compatible only with like 8 or something JP+Private Keio/TOEI trains, that nobody uses anyway
So it was selected for overwriting for "non JP+" preset

[peak zinc]

as the scotch gauge is quite similer to SG, maybe just delate that gauge, and make the Keio/TOEI trains SG?

[crude phoenix]

This has been debated before, scotch isn't going anywhere

[peak cargo]

more goofy track types are always appreciated 🙂

[peak zinc]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Shonanmonorail5000.jpg

hanging monorail whan?

[crude phoenix]

uh, JP+ Suspended Monorail has been a thing for ages now

#1416303196040724562 message

[crisp stone]

There are a few "green car" trains around 😉

Bamito was very thoughrough with green cars....

Many of the green car vehicles, if they are drawn and of the JNR early era, will change from having a green car 'band' to having a 'dot' around the 70s

[bleak karma]

No off-topic random chatter in the development forums please. You've been warned before and this is the final warning.

[peak zinc]

ok
I will try to limit off-topic chating here

[mossy night]

No, not try, do

[frozen prawn]

hi just a question

how many 205's lieveries you got when 1991

[magic ridge]

Just start a new game in 1991 with the same newgrfs and see

[frozen prawn]

Oh ok now I see everything
I set to 2024 and got this

[crisp stone]

205 is in need of major update.

[timid river]

including the latter overseas liveries after it got gifted to a country 👀 ?

[crude phoenix]

Nah, hopefully someday there will be a separate set for those 😉

[crisp stone]

One day… #openttd message

[rustic dust]

Remind me please, what is LGV?

[peak cargo]

name of the high speed line used by the TGV

but in terms of track types, it's a dedicated high speed line that's limited to only high speed trains

[edgy grove]

ive just discovered an issue, foundations dont seem to be drawn here and you can see through the map. could be a jgrpp thing though

[wild geode]

can reproduce on 0.6.1 which was downloaded off github and 0.7.0 straight off nanas

suspect it might be a jgrpp issue

[edgy grove]

ok ill ping him

[wild geode]

yeah hardly scientific method here, really should test it with all grfs unloaded

doing that now

[edgy grove]

i just did

borked

[timber sandal]

Hey, I've noticed there's some major companies missing like Kintesu, Meitetsu and some others. Is there any plan for those ones?

[shrewd wren]

There is a plan, there is no time

[nova bay]

Happy miku day to those who celebrate 😛

[timber sandal]

Hey, for some reason JP+ Private MU is not showing up on narrow gauge tracks only on standard gauge on this new save. I've asked on #openttd-help but no one knows why.

I think it's a bug on 0.7.0 because it works fine on 0.5.9

[shrewd wren]

Please turn this parameter on in JP+ Tracks.
I'll roll this change back for tracks, to make underground be turned on by default
As JP+ Private is postponed for an unknown amount of time for now

[restive meteor]

What do you mean that JP+ Private is postponed

[shrewd wren]

I'm figuring my private and professional life out

Also it seems like the push-pull feature is at the works, and I don't want to rework the code twice

[restive meteor]

Is the current version still usable

[shrewd wren]

It's usable yes, the one on bananas and on git are both usable

[timid river]

Take your time twin <3 good things come in time

[karmic copper]

Hello, idk where to report this but found a little annoying bug with JP+ bridges and roads... tram track catanery wont show up on bridges if paired with road, but trolley catanery, regardless of tram tracks, do. Issue seems to be on all bridges and with probably all road types (tested some combinations, not all). Both GRFs are from bananas so hopefully latest.

[shrewd wren]

It's the openttd bug, sadly can't do anything about it from my side

[karmic copper]

Aaaah, okey. Sorry 😅

[leaden obsidian]

Thanks so much for this answer! I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong.

[wintry hemlock]

What happened to all the kintetsu stuff its not showing up

Only the 7200 shows up for me for some reason

[crude phoenix]

Kintetsu is part of NATS, it hasn't been added to JP+ yet

[wintry hemlock]

Ohhhhhhhh

[pure salmon]

what is new with JP+ tracks 0.7.2?

[leaden obsidian]

Will there eventually be a patch to make NATS compatible with JP+ tracks?

[crude phoenix]

No, NATS will eventually be fully replaced

[leaden obsidian]

Ah, fair enough then. Looking forward to it 😁

[weary roost]

even the minor railways?!

I thought JP+ private is going to only cover the major ones + Tsukuba

[crude phoenix]

I'm not sure actually, maybe there'll be a fork or update of NATS that removes any duplicates. But no plans for that atm

[shrewd wren]

I'm not sure where to put all of the diesel cars, could include them for the sake of completion I guess

[arctic cargo]

it seems that the eyecandy tram tracks don't work on diagonals on JP+ Roads 0.1.1

[shrewd wren]

That's odd, last time I've checked they did work

[tepid vessel]

Hey, asked this on the help channel but was directed here so:
Is it possible to get that sort of an arrow shape circled in yellow, for a right-hand turn (red) with the slip lane eyecandy tram tracks?

[tidal perch]

Make it company coloured

[timid river]

🫧

[shrewd wren]

I thought it was possible?
Seems like the red circle is not a "T" crossing
Try that

[tepid vessel]

When I do, it gives me this

If I try making it like I've made all the others

not sure if I'm not thinking correctly here

[shrewd wren]

Try mirroring this t crossing
So it faces upwards

[tepid vessel]

You mean the road part, or the tram track part?

With the road, it'll work but then it's a left-hand turn

[shrewd wren]

Tram

[tepid vessel]

with the tramline, mirroring the T part, adding the last part to the T doesn't actually change anything for some reason

[shrewd wren]

Lemme check the code real quick

It should work with "L" piece

Facing outwards, >

I should make a guide on jp+wiki
But I've just moved out, and making money with my wife-to-be, so a bit later lol

[tepid vessel]

what happens to me is that:

I have this when I have a straight

Then when I add this, it stays the same

with a L

and with a R, the same happens but in opposite

so with R Lane, and a straight, and R but with a T-shape, it both looks like this

[shrewd wren]

Ahh, it's the catenary thing, damn
Adding any other tram track in the T crossing direction should fix this

But I'll redo this as tram tracks, not catenary

Good catch, will rework this in the next version

[tepid vessel]

ooh yeah if I add this piece, it'll turn into a slightly off looking one

And it'll turn into that arrow

Looks decent, though a bit wonky

And also takes an extra piece by the side of the road so it's a no-go for what I wanted it for =D

[shrewd wren]

Yeah it's tricky, not as simple as cities skylines xd

[tepid vessel]

Yeah, but that's why I play OTTD rather than cities skylines, since I love the fiddly grid system =P

[tidal perch]

Perhaps at least for singleplayer you can provide some sort of visual hints for tram track placement?

Actually it's just better to put everything in the wiki

🫠

[haughty monolith]

A whole guide for the roads and decorations would be helpful I reckon.

[crude phoenix]

Yeah, there should be a page on the JP+ Wiki eventually

[leaden obsidian]

Out of curiosity, while there is already "narrow gauge" aka cape gauge in the pack, are there any plans to include Japanese narrow gauge (ie 762mm gauge) used on railways such as the Sangi Railway, Yokkaichi Asunarou Railway, Kurobe Gorge Railway along with a lot of historical light railways?

[crude phoenix]

It would be nice to have, but probably hard to fit in since JP+ Tracks already uses most or all railtype slots

[leaden obsidian]

That's fair. If it was an expansion (like a separate mod) such as JP+ Tracks Narrow would that add more slots or is there a hard limit in the game?

[bleak glade]

there is currently a hard 64 limit in the game

[leaden obsidian]

huh, thanks for the info. I'm not too familiar with Openttd's coding stuff so I appreciate the insight

[royal nimbus]

Kinda, each grf can only use 64 IDs and the game can only handle 64 at a time. If you have two grfs you'll be able to have greater flexibility when it comes to which tracks you are able to have at once since they don't have to share grf internal ids

[haughty monolith]

But the total type is still limited by the game right?

[shrewd wren]

Yes, but making 2 grfs with togglable params, you can make a "constructor",
Like a market, you have 128 options, but you can select only 64

[peak zinc]

so, it is a lot like colour palettes on old computers

[haughty monolith]

Not even "a lot"

[primal acorn]

Hi, I'm having an issue with JP+ Private Companies, where the MU extension car is only showing up for standard-gauge AC/DC track.
Using pretty much the full JP+ "pack"
This is seemingly a new problem for me, as they worked before. With JP+ Private 2.6.0 everything works fine, with 2.6.3 the MU cars are missing from most gauges.

Otherwise, I must say that the whole pack is great, and I do love both the variety and quality seen in it ❤️

[crude phoenix]

I think this is a known bug, try enabling the universal underground in JP+ tracks

[royal nimbus]

It's nice that it can be solved now though

[primal acorn]

That did fix, thank you for the hotfix tip
I do hope you'll solve the bug itself at some point in the future 😅

[crude phoenix]

Well it's yozora's problem, not mine 😛

[shrewd wren]

Jp+Private update was supposed to be a long time ago 😞
Recode version doesnt require universal tracks

[hot leaf]

I made a small fix to make shinkansen trains run at full speed when running backwards. For compatibility with the new functionality to prevent reversion in jgrpp. Hope a maintainer can have a look at it.

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPplusShinkansen/pull/32

[crude phoenix]

Why bitmask(4) instead of the proper VEHICLE_FLAG_TRAIN_HAS_CAB flag?

[hot leaf]

Because I didn't know that was a thing

[crude phoenix]

It's right here in the specs https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles

[hot leaf]

I have not read the specs. I don't know nml at all.

[shrewd wren]

💀

[crude phoenix]

How do you know your PR even works then?

[tidal perch]

Looking at the commit's author...

@hot leaf just FYI LLM tools are generally terrible at coding NML because they lack the knowledge of it

[edgy grove]

orbital strike

[digital river]

💀

[hot leaf]

I built and tested it

[mellow jacinth]

You can build a GRF but not read NML spec?

[hot leaf]

Yes. It wasn't hard. Is it supposed to be hard?

[hot leaf]

You are probably right. Although pointing it at the docs will probably help.

Making edits to an existing grf worked reasonably well, even though it used a hardcoded value instead of the nml flag

[mellow jacinth]

No, but the competency suggested in building the GRF should also mean you should be able to read and understand a documentation

[hot leaf]

Ah, I understand the question now. I could probably read and understand the documentation.

[nova bay]

Should we have a GPLv4 stating "no direct inference of LLM in the work"

[crisp stone]

The home of all JP+ development. https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus

JP+ MU - JGR, JNR and JR Multiple Units
JP+ Engines - Locomotives, Carriages & Wagons
JP+ Private - Private Railway Multiple Units
JP+ Shinkansen - Shinkansens
JP+ Trams - Trams

JP+ Tracks
JP+ Buildings
JP+ Objects
JP+ Landscape
JP+ Bridges
JP+ Roads

And more to come... 😉

[finite ore]

more to come
Any teasers?

[rain ingot]

What kind of wacky wagons, locomotives or MUs can we expect in the near future oh wise tinny?

[crisp stone]

Well well! Wise you ask! How about a little bit of KiHa 10 & 20 in your life?

Or perhaps some of the fine wagons Jake has been cooking up...

These colourful trains from one of the sprite artists SAYA as well!

[marble elm]

Are these RL liveries?

[crisp stone]

Yes 🙂 We only do RL liveries..!

[marble elm]

Looks good. May need to try a new Japanese game in the not too distant future.

[crude phoenix]

We are edging ever closer to total wagon replacement. Only container, flatbed and old passenger coaches to go

[sly nimbus]

Is that JR E205 series?

[finite ore]

Those torpedo and slag wagons, are those from horse, or drawn specifically for this set?

[crude phoenix]

Yeah they're adapted from horse

[finite ore]

Ah, okay. I was looking for ones for my UK set, but Horse Scale is a bit off from Finescale

In any case; very good progress. Looks real good

[next citrus]

these look lovely

[plush cliff]

question, is there a list of which trains are completed and not?

[crude phoenix]

There's a spreadsheet for JP Engines here https://github.com/EmperorJake/JPengines/blob/modular/jpengines.ods

Not sure if there's anything up to date on the MU side of things though

[plush cliff]

ah ok thanks

[crude phoenix]

New flat wagons underway

[north salmon]

damn nice

[crisp stone]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wjsVNhbxubLKY0UUpXVkUP9iA6mQQMeRdXmiuFyxzvg/edit?usp=sharing This for MU is rather out of date, but not by too much

[plush cliff]

i see

[crude phoenix]

A typical 1930s express train

[finite ore]

Nippon Electric Trains are superior, they don't require overhead cables or any such nonsense!

Looks good though

[crude phoenix]

Simplified vs advanced livery refits, what would people prefer?

Instead of having a specific refit for every single variant, the "simplified" option has less choices but still lots of features, things like the red stripe disappear automatically after 1940, Iron Horse-style direction flipping to get a variant, and retains the auto-formations which I suspect most people will use anyway

[north salmon]

People might prefer to have lesser options

But then again those who want full control will opt for the advanced refits

[crude phoenix]

Well you still get almost-full control with the simplified version, it's just harder to find and not as descriptive

[finite ore]

I like advanced

[north salmon]

Which one is the advanced? Top or bottom I'm confused

I'm guessing advanced is the top one

[crisp stone]

I think the best part of JP+ is the options you have to do advanced things, but still just play if you dont want that

[royal nimbus]

You could try using a parameter to activate advanced mode

[crude phoenix]

I'm not doing both ways, the point of this is to streamline the code and reduce the amount of strings

[royal nimbus]

Then I would personally keep the advanced mode considering the auto formation is easy enough for beginners

[plush cliff]

i prefer advance livery

[crude phoenix]

Advanced seems to be the more popular option, I'll keep doing that then 🙂

I just hope I don't run out of strings

[north salmon]

So its the top one, it's nice

Is there some string limit?

[royal nimbus]

keep in mind that this thread is not representative of all players

[plush cliff]

mhm

[plush cliff]

cant wait for 12 series car euroliner, heh

[digital river]

I prefer advanced

[dull steppe]

205 series tsurumi line livery when

[crisp stone]

We've got a very special addition to the group coming imminently...

I'm sure if you follow the moves of @amber totem very carefully you'll find out 😮