JP+ Group Development Zone

[crude phoenix]

Ah thanks for the reminder

I just started coding again today actually

[crisp stone]

I do love nml masochism

[tidal perch]

Such coincidence

[crude phoenix]

working on FIRS 5 steeltown compatibility for JP+ Engines 🙂

[shrewd wren]

Everyone does (not)

[tidal perch]

Also I see lots of Chinese players demanding for a new release of AXIS that contains the updated translation. Could you please work on it when you have time? 😄

[tidal perch]

I think I need some sort of M4NML

NML by itself is way too limited

I tried grf-py but the environment stuff is too complicated

All those python dependencies and version collisions. It won't work on python > 3.10

[shrewd wren]

Anything that will stop me asking myself "what i'm doing with my life", while making a grf, is welcomed

[tidal perch]

When you do so you are contributing to the newgrf landscape that is completely rotten and the system itself needs an urgent rewrite

So you should fork openttd and start to implement a wasm based plugin system

Write openttd extensions in rust 😁

[royal nimbus]

Just json would be enough

[tidal perch]

What about the conditionals and stuff

[royal nimbus]

I believe someone thought about making something like grf-py in rust

[tidal perch]

Json only stores properties

[tidal perch]

Part of it iirc is written in rust

[royal nimbus]

Fair action 7/9 is hard to implement

Yeah but someone wanted to write something else entirely in rust iirc

[tidal perch]

hmm

[tidal perch]

A wasm plugin is a program by itself, so given the valid inputs it can basically output anything.
Like you can put the entire openttd game in wasm and load it as a plugin

So it's way more flexible compared to a property list

[tidal perch]

jeremyg@nixos ~/C/JPplusMU (master)> git log --author freeaim
commit 20917dda9f140e8beb97ec586b8d13ff6b427204
Author: freeaim <[email protected]>
Date:   Wed Feb 28 18:38:43 2024 +0900

    updated translation

commit 08c7414c490352e601e8972991049921b592241e
Author: freeaim <[email protected]>
Date:   Sun Feb 4 18:01:05 2024 +0900

    help whats rebase whats merge i never used git in my entire life (#143)

    * jp+ jp translation (why is so fucking hot int hokkaido aaaaaa)

    * Update jpnew.lng

    * Update jpnew.lng

    * Update jpnew.lng

    * its a long way

    * Update jpnew.lng

    * replaced japanese.lng with shitty new one based on english.lng

    almost done
    WHY IS HOKKAIDO SO FUCKING HOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    * fuck

    * Update japanese.lng

    * Update japanese.lng

    * Update japanese.lng

    * Update japanese.lng

    * Update japanese.lng

    * fix

WHY IS HOKKAIDO SO FUCKING HOT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[green monolith]

Discipline in your changes...

[crisp stone]

Hokkaido is very hot mate 🔥

[green monolith]

I heard it's fucking hot.

[crisp stone]

You wouldn’t believe it, you really wouldn’t

[tidal perch]

Here in Wenzhou we have typhoon to cool us down... 😎

[shrewd wren]

JP+ is kinda hot too if you think about

[crisp stone]

Hotter than the sun, they say

[tidal perch]

I live in the circle, so

the red one

[shrewd wren]

And we got a heatwave from today, and I can't find AC remote 🥲

[tidal perch]

unlucky

[wild geode]

https://tenor.com/view/so-hot-right-now-trending-meme-zoolander-this-is-epic-gif-26091622

[kindred karma]

thats me

[tidal perch]

I've heard you guys don't have AC there

[kindred karma]

yes atleast where i live

[neon light]

We’ve never needed it before

[ember heron]

Ah, A Brit

I hope you never do

[green monolith]

We've always never needed it before.

[weary roost]

in JP+ buildings, the invisible texture of the Takemaru shopping centre seems to be off (different character size and weird grass texture along the edges)
and the text of Nagoya apartment just says "Nago", missing the "ya"

[shrewd wren]

Current JP+Roads progress

[magic ridge]

I love the details such as manholes and drains, looks great!

[shrewd wren]

Stone pavement and dirt roads are not mine 😅
But thank you

[rain ingot]

How does the 3 lane one look with road vehicles on it?

[magic ridge]

The outer 2 lanes seem to align with the regular roads so I think the 2 inner extra lanes are eyecandy

[shrewd wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648414105975128077/1333843493851889664/Wenfingbridge_Transport_2031-11-02_1.gif

[magic ridge]

Does the orange trees change based on in-game date?

[shrewd wren]

They do

[magic ridge]

That's really cool, I was actually thinking the other day about wether that was possible. Should work with regular trees too then 💪

[neon light]

cant wait to do the mixed black/red motorways

[shrewd wren]

Cherry blossoms

[peak cargo]

oooooh, any chance you're going to include a parameter to let us change the seasons?

I'd love to use this in my games, but southern hemispher winters/summers are opposite

[tidal perch]

(current_month / 4 + south ? 2 : 0) % 4

[shrewd wren]

I will make a hemisphere and fixed season params 🙂

[peak cargo]

perfect, thankyou 🙂

[green monolith]

So this could work.

Still a little bit of overlap in this case though.

[torn tree]

Can we update the 《‌BOCCHI THE ROCK!》 paint?👍🏻

[digital river]

?

[crude phoenix]

This isn't a train

[buoyant swan]

😆 what

[shrewd wren]

草

[tidal perch]

www

[kindred karma]

wi pee

[tidal perch]

strange spaces in between

and interesting name for scotch gauge

[kindred karma]

apparently called like that because predecessor of tokyo tram (horse carriage) used it
should i translate as スコッチゲージ or 馬車軌間

[mellow jacinth]

What's リニアモーター?

[tidal perch]

linear mtoer

motor

lienar motor

LINEAR MOTOR

[tidal perch]

that's just a transliteration of "linear motor"

[mellow jacinth]

What engines is that?

[tidal perch]

oedo line iirc

[kindred karma]

mini subway

[tidal perch]

is it hot in hokkaido now?

there's another typhoon striking shanghai now

[kindred karma]

whats pylon
架線柱?

[tidal perch]

yes

the structure that holds eletrified lines

[kindred karma]

aright

[timid spire]

https://kttri.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/20020215202.jpg https://gskyfantasy.exblog.jp/dialog/images/viewer/?i=202103%2F29%2F09%2Fd0226909_16401519.jpg https://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/202103/29/09/d0226909_16323374.jpg

Bang Dream Tram

[bleak karma]

@mellow jacinth type train

[mellow jacinth]

Indeed

[shrewd wren]

Industrial roads

[neon light]

omg we've needed this

[shrewd wren]

I'm defining params, so it's a good moment to share your wishes, of which I should add, apart from these, that I've already came up with

[karmic copper]

If theres electrified roads/tram tracks, then selection of poles like in JP+ Tracks would be nice. If its not too much work that is

[magic ridge]

Same thing but also with street light poles, roadside tree types, etc. is my suggestion

[shrewd wren]

Can't promise this, as trees and lights are "baked" into the catenary, and every option will require another sprite and switch blocks.
And I'll be honest with you, my tree logic file is 900 lines long 🥲

[magic ridge]

I was more thinking about regular roads without catenaries

[shrewd wren]

Ah, other decorations will be done as eyecandy trams

So should be plenty of options to select from

[magic ridge]

Nice👌

[crisp stone]

211 series trees

[shrewd wren]

Every tree that grows in Japan selectable by param when

[wild geode]

JP+ Trees when

[shrewd wren]

No.

[wild geode]

whennnnnnn

actually you know between yourself and zyliety you might have drawn enough for a set

[shrewd wren]

Right after 211 anniversary and that private company livery update

[wild geode]

Acceptable

Need to create a repo that's just misc JP+ sprites that can be reused elsewhere, things like trees, other misc bits and bobs

lamp posts, fences,

just, odds and ends

[mossy night]

JP+ Odds & Ends

[shrewd wren]

Sorry not sorry 😛
https://youtu.be/HUzLUGKwQJc

[timber sandal]

Where can I download jp+ roads? It doesnt show up in game

[neon light]

it isnt ready yet

[shrewd wren]

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPplusRoads
It's a work in progress, a lot of things are not completed and new versions might be incompatible with previous ones

[peak cargo]

had a look and you guys have been cooking, these are really good

I also love how you did the curves for the highways, vehicles look a bit goofy using them, but it's a good inbetween

also thankyou for including this, you guys are cool 🙂

[shrewd wren]

Glad you've liked it!

[crude phoenix]

Hemishere

[shrewd wren]

Hemisphere now😅

[somber kayak]

No no, it says Hemis here

It’s for fans of Chrysler engines

[tidal perch]

No the earth is flat

Austria doesn't exist

New Zeeland is fake

[peak cargo]

it's true

[neon light]

Down with the Netherlands

[weary roost]

FYI there are some duplicates between JP+ private and NATS that are not removed by the "JP+ NATS Duplicate Trains Disabler"

[royal nimbus]

I think that is beacause NATS is fully replaced now

[weary roost]

don't think so, at the very least Meitetsu and Kintetsu are still only in NATS

not to mention the minor companies

[crisp stone]

JP+ NATS Duplicate is quite old, it was not made with JP+ Private in mind

I should fine some way to hide that from banananananana~s as JP+ Private replaces it

And all the JapanSet3 removers from JP+MU....ahhh, nice to rid of em

[crude phoenix]

Just set the OpenTTD version to some really old one

[tidal perch]

nababas

[nova bay]

Still hokkaido limited expresses, thunderbird, hakutaka...

[crisp stone]

Nothing like a project spanning years to complete... 😛

[lament coyote]

Hi people. I think i found a bug when i play if JP+Multiple Units, is the Kiha 58 DMU. As pictures below, when the train are goes in one direction consist is ok, but when they are in other direction, consist are totally wrong.

Look´s like the same thing occur if another Kiha 181 DMU.

The JP+Multiple Unit is latest one, version 0.5.4, and track newGRF is U&ReRMM 2: Mini v4

[late snow]

as per real life, the cab cars are considerd to be individual engines
to put it right, send it to the depot, ctrl+click on the rear unit to flip it
then it will be right

ctrl+click flips the carriage/train

[lament coyote]

Thanks. make that and works by now. Trains running again.

[crisp stone]

They shouldn’t require you to do that by default if you make them, but if you do that it will bug, but this’ll be fixed next release

[tidal perch]

@amber totem strange but I got here.
Capacity says consumed too many parameters

oh, I think it's not the GRF's fault... might be because of some recent changes in JGRPP. I was playing on the nightly version

[wild geode]

Try eating less parameters. You’ll get fat.

[amber totem]

Probably the game side like you say. Haven’t actually touched this grf in a while to break something new

[raven folio]

these decos are tramways openttd-wise aren't they?

[shrewd wren]

Road catenaries, appearing automatically

[raven folio]

ohh, nice

[wraith crane]

Uhhhhhh

It throws this error when I load JP+ Tracks with basically all the railtypes enabled but I also don't notice anything glaringly incorrect

[wild geode]

Don’t turn them all on then

[wraith crane]

so ive gotta choose

[wild geode]

Yes

[wraith crane]

yeah actually it works when i've turned some off

[wild geode]

There’s a max amount of rail types, the default settings are optimised for a JP+ game, if you’re colouring outside the lines you will need to make decisions.

[wraith crane]

danke

[shrewd wren]

It can't give an error like that, you must have loaded some other grf that adds more tracktypes

[finite ore]

I vaguely recall seeing that error when turning off Voltages too, I'll need to remember to check when home

[shrewd wren]

My bet would be JapanSet: Trains, adding tracks by default. You can check the parameters for that one to be sure

[wild geode]

I never have any issues turning off voltages

[wraith crane]

Nope not added

[wild geode]

You managed to fit all the rail types under the limit? I thought you could still tip it over if you turned on everything?

[shrewd wren]

Should be something else then, as from grf's side you can't define more than 64 railtypes, (which is the allowed limit)

[wild geode]

Horse railtypes?

That always catches people out.

[wraith crane]

No horse

hm lemme check this list

Don't think anything in here adds railtypes

aparet from jp+ tracks

[shrewd wren]

Seems like nothing else is adding more railtypes, weird.
You could try loading jp+tracks on top of priority to see what else contributes to the error, or just ignore this

[buoyant swan]

you can't use multi aspect signals and JP+ multiaspect

JP+ adds a lot of signal types

that may not fix this problem but it is another one haha

[crude phoenix]

I have JP+ signals, multiaspect signals, and WenSim's eyecandy signals all loaded in my game

but multiaspect extra types are disabled in the parameters

I tried enabling it and it overwrote the eyecandy ones so yeah there's a limit

[buoyant swan]

oh right true, I just remember the dwarf signals causing an error

[haughty monolith]

oh, some overwrite eyecandy?

the dwarves are like, the only that are actually mostly my art

but yeah, i don't see any reason to combine multiaspect and jp+

[crude phoenix]

JP+ signals doesn't override the "default" signals which is why I have it like this

[tidal perch]

@shrewd wren better fetch the grf file from @wraith crane and decompile it

@wraith crane can you post the GRF file you're using? And also the full parameter list? Just take a screenshot of the GRF sidebar in the GRF menu, it should show all parameters available

[royal nimbus]

It should be impossible to generate a grf with nml with that issue

Doesn't jp+ shinkansen add railtypes?

[tidal perch]

oof I think it does redefine some entries

[tidal perch]

any thoughts?

[bleak karma]

I think it`s best to keep the underneath of the platforms the same dark shade as the JapanSet platforms

[tidal perch]

I might just let the grf disable itself when it is loaded with japanset stations

[bleak karma]

I would prefer it if it was compatible with JapanSet to be honest

[tidal perch]

It has plenty of visual bugs, stupid foundation overriding, and the building height is incompatible doesn't match with WINS

I guess this explains

[peak cargo]

very normal thoughts (it looks very good)

kinda reminescent of platforms in NSW/Victoria

[tidal perch]

there are also other minor problems, like it doesn't have translations

I might reuse some sprites but I am not going to copy the art style

||and there are gonna be license restrictions - which are not a problem for now 🙂 WINS uses GPL v2||

...this is what I'm taking about

[crude phoenix]

That would be a good way to ensure that no-one ever uses WINS 😉

[tidal perch]

that's why it's crossed out 😛

[crude phoenix]

I think it's best to just let WINS be its own thing, and hopefully someday JP+ Stations will exist and be a true replacement for JapanSet Stations

[tidal perch]

though, what exactly do you expect to be in JP+ Stations?

like, same platforms in JP3 Stations but with some extensions?

and updated logics?

[crude phoenix]

Modular station buildings like in JapanSet, but better and maybe with updated graphics. Also all the stuff that's in the JapanSet station extension pack. And the overlap tiles needed to make the elevated bridges work

[tidal perch]

I could work on that 🙂

and once it is finished we could just throw jp3 stations away

[crisp stone]

and for it to be in a scale that matches JP+ Buildings, I see you've gone your own way on scale 😛

[tidal perch]

8px -> 1 floor?

you're missing a lot of details here 🙁

[crisp stone]

Uniform scale over details, I'm sorry

(im not saying your choice is bad, I like it, but its different)

[crude phoenix]

Also forgot to mention more flexible footbridges, and underground metro overlap stuff

[tidal perch]

brrrrr, I could shrink the height of it...

[crisp stone]

and this, I would want the foundations to be kept simple, the light gray concrete of the JapanSet3 platforms is fine (ish)*

I like your other foundations, but they don't speak to me as being the Japan, especially the brown-ish-one

Not to say I don't like them, I do - but do they scream Japan to me is a different matter

[tidal perch]

I don't mean platform foundations, I mean global foundations overriding is stupid

[crisp stone]

I really dont mean foundations, actually, I mean the actual platform sprites 😛

I agree global foundations overide is dumb

[tidal perch]

ok what about this
8px for a single floor

[crisp stone]

you're dangerously quick 😛

hard to say without it being relative to some JP+ tall buildings

[somber kayak]

For the 2nd and 3rd windows for each row of 4, I think their shading makes them look slightly tilted.

[tidal perch]

hmm

[somber kayak]

| / / | — what I see (no this is not loss)

[tidal perch]

should be the final version

@crisp stone how does this stand out to you now?

[crisp stone]

better, better for sure :)))

[amber totem]

Yea looking better! 👍

My thoughts are if it needs to be 2 tiles deep, or would 1 still work as well/better

[wild geode]

Yeah overall scale still feels dramatically way too big compared to the rest of city buildings. This almost feels like it's better suited for an extrazoom trainset scale rather than JP+ stuff.

[somber kayak]

Based on a cursory look of some of the buildings I see the size of windows varies between 2-5 pixels in height, and a total size of floors around 7 in height.

So, I don’t think it is egregiously overscaled.

[tidal perch]

I see why you're feeling like that. There is a light pixel in the corner of the second window

So reshading that should fix it

[somber kayak]

I was going to edit it myself but I got distracted by a shiny object in my midst.

It’s just one of those optical illusions that comes with dithering techniques.

[tidal perch]

It's gonna be modular

[somber kayak]

These NewGRF graphics (in general) are kind of similar to the graphics used in Civilization 2, which I have drawn stuff for, and also used to come with a 255 color palette limitation.

But unlike OTTD, Civ II still uses an advanced patch, the TOTPP.

[tidal perch]

There isn't a 255 colour limitation nowadays 😈
We have access to the full rgb range

[somber kayak]

Same for TOTPP. It was kind of easier in my opinion when you were restricted because “this is as good as you’re going to get” was the limit.

Everyone had medium expectations and they were easy to meet.

Plus there was a bit of challenge in making something that looked really nice when you were so restricted to a single palette.

I probably sound like a movie director from 100 years ago lamenting the demise of the black and white silent film.

[neon light]

Are these like platform extensions?

[tidal perch]

wdym?

gpt art 😛

[nova bay]

there must be something wrong in the weight of 24-series passenger coach. EF81 x 1 + 24-series x 11 = 100 tonnes...

[crude phoenix]

How did I never notice that, I'll fix this now 👍

ah, that coach used to inherit its stats from JapanSet3 which is why the weight property wasn't set

[wild geode]

Lookin good!

[tidal perch]

one side here, 24 more sides to go

[tidal perch]

@shrewd wren might help for roadset icons

[tidal perch]

I redrew the JR label I posted last time, this time with 2x extrazoom, corrected height, and dithering

I'm definitely putting those badges in my stations set

[timid river]

Very late reply indeed, what's the version were you using?

[crude phoenix]

That's JP+ Roads which isn't released yet

[timid river]

Yeah, ik. Since yozora did give it a quick try, I wanted it too. Tried it using the file from link here, some road types got loaded but still is a fatal error overall

Anw you guys are goated 🔥🔥

[crude phoenix]

If you got an error, you might have exceeded the roadtype limit

[timid river]

Probably. I had U&RaTT active as well. I'll retry it in a moment

[shrewd wren]

Yeah, you shouldnt load any other roadset with it

[timid river]

Just retried it, looking good

Just noticed that centre line of primary street becomes yellow after 1985

[shrewd wren]

It is intended. 1930~1960 there are no markings, 1960~1985 white markings and then modern just like nowadays

[timid river]

Is cool

One thing I'd suggest is that to add a 4 lanes road. Just like the 6 lanes with thinner median

Maybe, red carpet and asphalt solid lane markings of both versions as well

[shrewd wren]

There are three 4 lane road types in the plan, so road hierarchy would be very strong with this one 😛

[timid river]

🔥🔥

I'd love to join in the making ngl

[shrewd wren]

If you can draw, everything is possible

[timid river]

I can, maybe. One thing for sure I'm blind on programming world

What software are y'all using

[shrewd wren]

I'm developing this solo, and I'm using photoshop with smart objects and linked layering
It's more of a constructor at this point
There's also a list I can send you of planned waypoints, but any prop will make a great help

[timid river]

I'd love to see the waypoints

[tidal perch]

vscode for code and aseprite for graphics

[timid river]

Photoshop, I don't have it. I doubt my laptop can handle it lol. Aseprite, it's $20 hmm

[tidal perch]

Aseprite is paid but its source is available so you can compile it youeself

And there are github projects that helps you compile aseprite

[timid river]

That's great

[shrewd wren]

Modular crossings are just the waypoint in front of the crossing, with a stop line, and solid line for lane dividers (4L+ roads)

[tidal perch]

Or if you really don't want to use it there's libresprite which is completely free

[timid river]

OOHHH FREEE
Fantastic

$20 feels like 320 bucks here, for me as an broke colleger

[tidal perch]

hmm

[timid river]

Toll approach lines are the yellow/blue squares, and slip thing is the tiny dotted lines inside lane? Am I right

[shrewd wren]

Any sprite in any state can go here, and I will be more than glad to credit everyone and use it

[tidal perch]

dunno. I only paid 10 bucks for it

[shrewd wren]

Toll approach on the image
Slip thing is more of an overlay to be made in the future from existing sprites

[timid river]

Oooo. Didn't knew it's for slip

[timid river]

Hmm I checked on its website and it says $19,99

[tidal perch]

(and if you use arch linux or nixos it's possible that aseprite is already available as a package)

[tidal perch]

Huh the US price is more expensive

[shrewd wren]

Also you can do things like footbridges, intersection signs, traffic cameras and anything really.
I take inspiration from google street view, and taking notes from there

[timid river]

I thought the slip thing were the longitudinal LSRM thing

XD

Are directional sign, both blue & green already in the work?

as waypoint

[shrewd wren]

@tidal perch has drawn these some time before

[timid river]

Cool

Downloaded & extracted the libresprite rar. Nothing to be found

except irrelevant files

Wait, I think I looked at the wrong name

Silly me :3

Are we using 32 × 32 px per tile?

[shrewd wren]

64px for width, height is any, but better to keep in range of 64px too

[timid river]

Alright. I have off topic question about height, but let's continue

How do I enable isometric projection?

[tidal perch]

Manually draw a grid

[tidal perch]

Manually draw a grid

[timid river]

;-;

Alright

Reminds me of my first semester, where I draw bunch of lines before actually drawing something

[karmic copper]

out of curiosity, will there be trolley support on some roads? Im not aware Japan would have trolleys... then again, i didnt know they have trams either

[crude phoenix]

If you're just starting out, head to #add-on-development where you can get better help and advice

[crude phoenix]

I was wondering the same thing. Trolleybuses are rare in Japan but there have been a few systems historically

[karmic copper]

really? Now i have to search for them, cuz i need to see those :D

[crisp stone]

Famously the one in the tunnel springs to mind

[shrewd wren]

I will be making some electrified roads for gameplay reason, and for the tunnel one yes

[crisp stone]

Mate we need some ski lifts too

[shrewd wren]

They are in the list mate

[crisp stone]

You some mind reader

[shrewd wren]

I have a theoretical degree in psychology, (in theory)

[crisp stone]

What do you want from me….buses?

[shrewd wren]

駅!駅!駅!

[arctic cargo]

Will there be something for BRT/bus guideways?

[shrewd wren]

You should be able to combine guideway with roads, I believe there is one BRT in Nagoya?/Osaka?

But no dedicated roadtypes just for brts, I'm getting kinda short with id's already

[arctic cargo]

Oops, I missed the guideway item :p

[shrewd wren]

Those are intended for local systems like astram/ nanko port town line, but I'll see if I can make the guideway look good for combining with roadtypes

[tidal perch]

lunch time, cya

[somber kayak]

The Imazato Liner here in Osaka is probably what you are referring to, and it is really just a bus with a few stops that runs on regular roads.

You can simulate the full Imazato Liner experience in game by doing the following:

1. buy a bus
2. color it orange
3. have it skip places other buses stop

If it sounds really underwhelming, good—it is!

[arctic cargo]

They are probably referring to the Yutorito line in Nagoya (I think that's the name) which is (or has) an elevated guided busway

[somber kayak]

It has been a long time since I been out that way (lived there 15 years ago) and I don’t think I ever rode that or even noticed its existence.

[arctic cargo]

Fair enough, I've only heard about it on the internet

[somber kayak]

I had an idea, just workshopping it here of an industry set that would be in the same theme as the JP+ series. Here is a list of 50, please excuse the formatting as I want to keep it as unobtrusive as possible:

Acid Appliances Automobiles Barley Batteries Beer Chemicals Circuit Boards Clothing Coal Computers Copper Cosmetics Detergents Diamonds Dyes Fabrics Fertilizers Fish Forklifts Fruit Game Consoles Gasoline Glass Gold Iron Jewelry Machine Tools Magazines Mail Microchips Minerals Motors Oil Packaging Paper Passengers Plastics Rice Rubber Sake Silica Software Soy Sauce Soybeans Steel TVs VCRs Wire Wood

The theme is that a lot of raw materials that are not produced domestically would be “imported” and then the “exports” of finished products would boost the production to supply more raw materials.

[nova bay]

bug report: 32,222 kW... (Tobu 100 Spacia)

[shrewd wren]

fixed

[nova bay]

hmm

[tidal perch]

you can file a pr

[pure salmon]

Sorry if anyone already pointed them out before, but I've got some suggestions for improvements to the JP+ shinkansen newGRF:
700 series operating costs are significantly lower than the rest (for example: 16-car 700 series $303,300/period, 16-car N700 $578,250/period)
coupled trainsets not exhibiting proper push-pull behavior (magic flip at end of each track - 200 and 400/E3, E2 and E3, E4 and 400/E3, E5 and E3/E6/E8)
E2 and E4 coupled sets inaccurate capacity (not sure about 200 series sets)
E4 and E3 maximum speed too fast (320 km/h instead of 240 km/h, the E4 speed limit)
E4 16-car 'set' (2 8-car sets) coupled noses flip when flipping at the end of the track
Can we at least couple two shinkansen train sets of any kind, including ones that we can't do right now(mostly fictional, other than the 200/E2/E5 coupled sets IRL)

[amber totem]

Hey. Thanks for noting these

I can look into the stuff that sounds like bugs around stats etc

On the flipping, it’s not what I would like it to be, but it’s coming up against limitations of what can be done and this is the compromise to get coupled Shinkansen in at all

[pure salmon]

I forgot on the E2 'retro' (200 series) livery as well, when going reverse, the rear of the train is a 200 series train car, not an E2

[amber totem]

The game doesn’t have proper push pull and trying to imitate it with mixed length sprites (since full and mini Shinkansen are different lengths), won’t work. It works with symmetrical consists

[pure salmon]

also why are 12-car E26 cassiopeia and 7-car 77 series seven stars in kyushu carrying 70 passengers per car when it's 18 tourists per car when running with ECS? 70 per car sounds too much for luxury trains when 18 per car is more reasonable

(24 series/hokutosei carries 70 passengers or tourists, even with ECS)

I'd also like to see a rework of 285 series? I want to do 14-car formation of 2 7-car sets but JP3 doesn't render 14-car consist properly and I cannot attach two 7-car sets due to JP3 limitations, unlike JP+

[crude phoenix]

Because a realistic number of passengers per car would make them utterly useless gameplay wise. The fact that tourists take more space is decided by ECS, not JP+. Realistically, the Seven Stars should only carry 4 per coach.

[pure salmon]

Thanks for the JP+ shinkansen update! Really nice to have these fixes working (aside from the push pull issues).

[pure salmon]

Oh, I also forgot one big thing...why is the N700(A/S), which is a tilting train, going through tight curves (roughly 7 tiles, on a 16-car train) at up to 232 km/h like if it wasn't a tilting train? Because it's a tilting train it should go a bit faster, didn't the old JP3 N700 get the tilting bonus? If tilting bonus it could go through 7-tile curves at ~278 km/h (N700s that run through the Tokaido shinkansen tilt, but ones that don't go through there - Kyushu, in particular - don't tilt)

[neon light]

only tilting by 1 degree to be fair

[mossy night]

so it's more pendo than pendolino?

[neon light]

yea

sure

lets go with that

[pure salmon]

which is insignificant compared to the pendolinos?

[bleak glade]

I also remember somewhere that some Shinkansens only have tilting in the green cars / maybe gran class to make the ride feel smoother, not to necessarily increase speeds

[pure salmon]

how many degrees do the pendolinos tilt? 6 degrees or something?

[bleak glade]

Afaik pendolinos do 8

[neon light]

yea, one less than the APT

[pure salmon]

I know acela has to tilt on parts of the line they're serving

[neon light]

Is there a colour palette you guys use that i could perhaps get a hold of?

[odd verge]

sure hold on

oh wait

do you mean a specific palette that jp+ uses or the ttd dos palette?

[neon light]

the jp+ one

[odd verge]

ah, i personally can't help with that one then, sorry to get your hopes up

[shrewd wren]

DOS is the base, then we add some shades on top

[crisp stone]

what are you trying to draw cause chances are, there are probably the colours you want already somewhere

[neon light]

i was going to redraw all my kiwi sprites and i like the jp+ style

[crisp stone]

Look at the JP+Private standard roof/ac templates

but as Yozura said, its a bit of a DOS start then find other colours to fix it

[shrewd wren]

Ye i have like a shit ton of "lego" things in psd files in the source

[crisp stone]

its the best starting point available

[neon light]

well thank you anyways

[digital river]

JP+ largely uses 32bpp for colors

[pure salmon]

JP+ is 32-bit ready?

[mossy night]

it is 32bpp

[shrewd wren]

No

We are still working on it

[finite ore]

So I'm trying - and failing - to make my own version of JP+ Tracks, none of the non-language changes I'm trying to push through are going through. I believe it's because I do not have this "GCC" thing, and looking it up leaves me a little uncertain of how it's meant to be installed. Can someone provide some insight into this?

(The things I'm trying to do are add finescale signals, change the names of some things (which I can do), take out stuff I always have parameter'd off anyway, and add the unrealistic NG 3rd Rail)

[shrewd wren]

I got gcc working from the very start, but I believe you need mingw to make gcc work

[finite ore]

Yup, got it now, thanks

[wild geode]

Or WSL, I just install an entire goddamn Ubuntu 24.10 WSL install on any of my windows machines and use python/gcc/make/etc entirely on there for grf stuff

It’s easy on Win11, can just install it from the App Store now.

[crude phoenix]

Actually you're right, there is an inconsistency there with the capacity callbacks. The capacity callback overrides the reduced capacity given by ECS tourists and forces the capacity to be the same as regular passengers. I've just never tested with ECS tourists because I haven't played ECS in so long. Would it be preferable to remove the callback so all wagons have a reduced capacity for tourists?

[pure salmon]

I don't play ECS either, I usually use FIRS/AXIS or stock/OGFX+

But, no, I don't want the callback to be removed

By the way, what are your thoughts on N700 (and to a lesser extent E5) tilting and what is the recommended behavior for corner speeds on N700? The corner speeds seems to be the same as if it wasn't tilting (tilting isn't on the Kyushu sets, either Sanyo through N700-7000 or Nishi Kyushu N700S)

[crude phoenix]

I think the tilt flag has to be enabled on wagons as well as engines for it to work

You don't get any more control over it other than tilt = yes

[pure salmon]

what's with the recent jp+ tracks fix regarding dual gauge tracks?

[shrewd wren]

Shinkansens were not able to use dual gauge tracks, now they can

[weary roost]

bug report: the Nagoya metros say "Tsurumirai Line" but it should be "Tsurumai Line"

[tidal perch]

mirai 😛

[peak zinc]

train of the future

[weary roost]

here's another one: 719 Series (possibly other series as well) has "Banetsuai" instead of "Banetsusai" (or "Ban'estsusai"?)

[shrewd wren]

I genuinely was reading tsurumirai all the time lol

[crisp stone]

Could be worse, @shrewd wren knows all the times I have written chou instead of chuo

[crisp stone]

But I'll look into it, all the JP+MU refits need to be redone, there is no fear of a string limit, so we can properly label the 115 series etc

and I will clear out the buttons, they appear as ? too often

[weary roost]

I might find sometime next week and just go through the nmls and check the misspellings

[shrewd wren]

? Is due to unicode symbols, for child liveries you could probably use fake tabulation

[crisp stone]

Possibly an idea, yea, but most likely I just wont bother ;p

I had a different font loaded at the time which did unicode symbols, so did jake or whoever, so it didnt occur to me that it'd be a problem

[pure salmon]

what's with the cargo decay rate setting? normal, low and very low? does low and very low reduce the cargo decay rate, effectively earning more money over longer distances?

[somber kayak]

With the JP+ Roads decorative tram types, will there be in the future a visual indication the tracks have been placed in the transparency view?

I think it would be nice if it displayed arrows in the directions the tracks have been built, having it at the moment being a bit difficult to judge where exactly they have been placed and in what directions.

[shrewd wren]

I think it's impossible to make something like that
But I'll make sure that all dead-ends, curves and straight pieces have a sprite, so there won't be any issues with "invisible" tram tracks instead

[somber kayak]

I thought—perhaps mistakenly—that the transparency views were their own sprites.

[wild geode]

Only for buildings, and technically that’s more they have a ground sprite that’s revealed in transparency mode.

[somber kayak]

I had wondered if that was exclusively for buildings. Thanks for the clarification! And there is always the infrastructure at a glance view that tells us how many tiles there are of something so that’s always a plus.

[shrewd wren]

It's been a while
New additions:

• Direction Markings
• Soundwalls, hatch markings and streetlights as deco-trams
• 4-line street with trees as a deco-road
• GUI icons
  ||Happy Birthday, Miku ❤️ ||

[neon light]

whats this secondary UI? ive never seen this be done before

[shrewd wren]

Tram menu

[neon light]

ahhh thats clever

[arctic cargo]

Super nice! I can't wait for this

[peak zinc]

would it be possible to make an 4 lane roads with tram tracks in the middle?

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/hiroszima-japonia-36552473.jpg

like in here but with less lanes

like [A auto traffic] [A streetcar][V Streetcar][V auto traffic]

[somber kayak]

I think the closest you’ll get is having [R↑][T][R↓] with the way trams behave.

If you wanted a functional tram track that is.

[peak zinc]

possible on 2 tiles width?

[somber kayak]

I’m saying you would need three tiles if you want it centered.

Two tiles would be possible with a more decorative tram type, but since trams run on the driving side against each other they would never run in the middle. — edit: with left-handed driving like in Japan

Wait, or am I wrong? I’m all messed up on my directions.

[peak zinc]

yeah... that would end up with something like in Pyongyang or prewar european systems

with trams running alongside the curbs

[somber kayak]

I mean if you have two parallel tram lines that run in a constant loop, there should be a way to keep them perpetually on one side.

And thus the “half-tram” type I think would be possible.

[crude phoenix]

That would be immensely fiddly to build and trams would likely end up on the wrong side anyway

[somber kayak]

fiddly to build
OTTD JP+ players
lol

But after thinking about it, I’m correct that the half-tram system would not work for the left-hand traffic countries.

The trams would travel on the outer loop.

Free Japanese lesson!
環状線 - kanjousen, loop line
外回り - sotomawari, outer loop
内回り - uchimawari, inner loop

Unlike other loop lines I’ve heard of the loop line here in Osaka does not run on “clockwise” or “counterclockwise” but on the above inner and outer loops. Since the trains all travel on the left, the outer loop is the clockwise one.

[pure salmon]

are there tram tracks included with this set? if not, what tram track set do you suggest?

[somber kayak]

As of 0.0.5 it looks like the tram tracks are incomplete.

[pure salmon]

🥺

[somber kayak]

You can use them if you are not picky about things like invisible corners and junctions.

[crude phoenix]

There's a reason JP+ Roads isn't released on Bananas yet 😉

It's still very much in development

[somber kayak]

How about JP+ Landscape? What’s that going to do when it is finished?

Ah, right, I remember now— @shrewd wren I was thinking this morning what if for the street light decor tram types the intersections were stoplights?

[somber kayak]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ea6n6JViPhqt5e7g6?g_st=ic

Do trams follow one-way streets? If not, I’m wrong again and the half-tram type could in theory work if the left-hand tram traveled on the right road.

Oh but then cars would be coming in the opposite direction. Forget I was ever here.

[rain ingot]

How well do bus stops work on the 4 lane street?

[shrewd wren]

One way road stops are in the middle of the sidewalk
But this is a deco-road type anyway

[timid river]

On the map I'm playing on rn, they don't. Unless there's order to go via waypoint in the one way road, they will follow. This works for both road and tram waypoint

Tram is going south east, going wrong way to the waypoint. Hence the tram turns north east, so it can pass the wp in the correct way

Sorry being a bit off the rails again

[crude phoenix]

Trams don't follow one way roads, but they do follow one-way roadstops in JGRPP

[timid river]

Beautiful. I wonder if sidewalk will become green lane on level crossing.

[somber kayak]

What’s a one-way road stop?

[crude phoenix]

It's just a drive-through roadstop on a one-way road, and it adds extra capacity because vehicles can use both lanes. Vanilla doesn't support this.

[somber kayak]

I got you now. I just know some of the road stops are one-sided and thought for a second they might have some special coding for JGRPP.

[rain ingot]

@shrewd wren when trolleybus roads?

And like actual trams

[shrewd wren]

When I'm going to build some in my single player game

[native warren]

Probably no one has ever tried to do this before, I can look at fixing this later

[pure salmon]

for the shinkansen set, should we add taiwan (THSR) N700ST livery and potentially look at revising the pantograph locations for 12-car N700S? it seems tne N700S pantograph locations for 12-car doesn't sound realistic compared to 8- and 6-car (12-car pantograph locations are on cars 2 and 11, which I feel like it's too far apart; consider looking at the THSR 700T, as well as the E7/W7 to some extent, for the pantograph locations?)

and speaking of 700T (the taiwan version of 700 with 300 km/h and shorter nose), is there any plans to bring one to JP+, or are we going to let the TW trains set team (are they really active?) to do their job?

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1958895073006944450

The Global Transits (@TheTransits)

Recently 1st Glimpse of the Shinkansen N700 ST has been revealed which was chosen to be deployed on Taiwan High Speed Rail. THSRC has placed an order for 12-12 coach N700ST in 2023 to replace older Shinkansen 700T. The 1st train is Expected to be in service by 2027

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FxTwitter · Aug 22, 2025, 2:12 PM

[pure salmon]

the pantographs on the 700T (which are 12-car trainsets) are on cars 4 and 9 (16-car shinkansen are usually on cars 5 and 12)

[pure salmon]

also another bug on JP+ shinkansen: 200 series, regular nose, refurbished livery

rear car when the direction of the train is towards the lower right corner

[amber totem]

Thanks for sharing. Missing mask on the sprite sheet for that particular direction. Will fix in a bit

[crude phoenix]

Reworked Twilight Express is finally coming!

The loco livery is a relic from JapanSet, I'll have to adjust it so the stripe lines up with the coaches

[peak zinc]

Lovely...

But schouldnt it be 2 tones darker?

[crude phoenix]

I'll adjust the colour in 32bpp when I redo the loco livery

I can't make it any darker in 8bpp

[peak zinc]

I wonder why the longest sleeper line in Japan had livery similer to USSR and it's transsiberian line... Coincidence?

[nova bay]

Only the Twilight Express was green

Others are usually blue

[pure salmon]

Suggestion: I feel like these trainsets from JS3 should be reworked in JP+:

• 185 series (10-car formation is wrong, there was a 10-car formation)
• 285 series (14-car formation is wrong, instead of two 7-car sets it's 1 long 14-car train; also it's an overnight sleeper so adjust based on 24 series, E24 Cassiopeia and E77 seven stars per-car capacity and cargo aging?)
• 683 series (want some flexibility)

Other sets (251, 253, 789, E259, E657, kiha 281) not as high priority as formations are correct and feel like no need to change (other than additional liveries, such as E657 fresh hitachi colours?); 281, E351 already reworked in JP+

And what about E655 (Nagomi charter train, as well as occasional 'TR' imperial carriage for imperial train duties) and E261 (saphir odoriko)?

[peak zinc]

hmmmmmmmmm

Cassiopeia and seven stars are more luxurious tourist trains than normal sleeper trains...

Maybe have thair capacity lower than normal sleeper trains?

[timid river]

I think it's already discussed before #981523481122471957 message

[nova bay]

We are pushing Tinny to the hell of working...

[shrewd wren]

as we always should

[timid river]

Who's Tinny?

[shrewd wren]

The person who is in love-hate relationship with 211 series

And the author of JP+mu by sheer coincidence

[timid river]

Ooooo

[crisp stone]

Mistakes were made

[crisp stone]

If it wasnt for the 211, JP+ would never exisit

silly 211 series

[shrewd wren]

@rain ingot-chan special
Trams and Trolleybus roads

[rain ingot]

Omg trams with points!

[timid river]

Omg omg omg

[peak zinc]

it's toden time

[peak zinc]

more like ding ding ding

[neon light]

Omg I love the little crossovers instead of loops at the end

[peak zinc]

me too

[regal flame]

tobu 8000 bug with cars from away

in any livery

but close everything is okay

[shrewd wren]

It's how ttd compresses sprites I think, nothing I can do with it sadly

[neon light]

most sets do that

[regal flame]

ah okay

[neon light]

graphical bug?

[crude phoenix]

I've been seeing that too

but it's not JP+ so it's not our problem 🙂

[arctic cargo]

Hello! I was wondering what the current state of JP+ roads is?

[tidal perch]

read the commit history

[shrewd wren]

7 major steps to release

@arctic cargo

[arctic cargo]

Thanks!

[tidal perch]

no badges? 😛

because it doesn't have nml support now?

[timid river]

I kinda want bus stop with grey concrete and/or the box markings. Very trivial I know

[shrewd wren]

What do I need them for?

[tidal perch]

e.g. to show whether a road supports houses, electrification, pedestrian zone stuff

[amber totem]

These are shown in the menu I take it?

[tidal perch]

yeah

Construction menu

[shrewd wren]

Logic of roads is quite simple, but maybe I'll add a few badges if people will have issues understanding what's what

[drowsy sleet]

Hello! I was wondering if it's intended that JP+ private company trains have about twice the capacity per tile as JP+ multiple unit trains, since while both state a capacity of about 150 people, the JP+ MU trains assign this capacity to two cars (1 tile) while the JP+ private company trains assign the capacity to one car (0.5 tiles)

[shrewd wren]

JP+ private uses the real capacity data from wiki, so it's intended
You can adjust the capacity in parameters in both grfs for your likings

[drowsy sleet]

Ah alright, thanks

[shrewd wren]

Tunnels.
JP+ Roads is now officially in public testing state, which means it's safe to start your games with it.
Grab a file and please report any bugs, visual glitches or menu text inconsistencies

[amber totem]

Might just be a purchase menu thing. If you actually buy some MUs from each, is it still double?

[crude phoenix]

JP+ MU uses dual-headed units while JP+ Private uses single-headed

and yes, the default capacities are very different which could perhaps be fixed

[timid river]

Oooo the tunnel is 👌👌

[arctic cargo]

This happens when I try to make a 4 way intesection with 4L roads.

[shrewd wren]

This is intended, in order to make it look nice i have to make these x-crossing sheganigans.
Change the road tiles for the according ones on the image and you'll have a nice crossing

[arctic cargo]

Thanks!

Do I ahve to do the same for 6L roads? I can't get it right

[shrewd wren]

Yes, tried it out now and it's bugged

[arctic cargo]

alright, thanks! I've been loving the rest of the set so far

[shrewd wren]

fixed now

[crisp stone]

we probably should align them hm

I thought JP+private had a parameter for if it was real or not

[shrewd wren]

No I have it controllable in a Japan transport overcrowding definitions way
50% 100% 150% and etc

[crisp stone]

ah

[amber totem]

From memory, I think Shinkansen works the same way as Private

[arctic cargo]

found another glitch, the concrete street with catenary doesn't seem to have the catenary

[gusty stirrup]

Hi I know this is a Japan themed set, but can you make a parameter for stop lines located on the right also?

[shrewd wren]

Try changing the driving side in ttd settings and see what happens 😎

[gusty stirrup]

Oh yeah just tried it out earlier

It supports stop line changes, however it seems trees and streetlights don’t spawn anymore

[true gate]

Is it possible to add snow version to the deco/ordinary roads? Seasonal roads still change their sprites above the snow line, which looks weird.

[gusty stirrup]

How did you get the trees and decorations still showing?

[tidal perch]

imo catenary

[wild geode]

Yeah it’s using the roadtypes catenary features. Seperate from laying tram tracks over them.

[shrewd wren]

Yes it's possible, although I haven't started working on a snow version yet
But I can tweak the trees now, sure

[arctic cargo]

Catenary seems to dissapear when tram track shares a bridge with a road

[crude phoenix]

That's a bug in the game itself

[arctic cargo]

fair enough

I can work around it by using a trolleybus road though :p

[shrewd wren]

I can check for tram tracks and draw proper catenary with some tricks, but the proper tdd fix would be much more preferable of course

[arctic cargo]

Bridge heads with the 4L and 6L roads are funky (sorry if I'm reporting too much)

[mellow jacinth]

There's no "reporting too much", don't worry. Better a bug now than when it's released

[timid river]

Bug report regarding bridge

Unpaved street, beach road, unpaved road, and field path seems to have incorrect bridge texture

Asphalt road (catenary) and asphalt road seems to be missing centre line marking on bridge. The line marking appears again when the bridge head are not a straight road (curve & jct)

The railroad crossing sprite(?) of 4 lane & 6 lane roads are quite
I wonder if this has something to do with town zone

Also the slip road tram type isn't showing up in slope, only the sound barrier and street lights does. I assume it's already in the work tho

I don't meant to rush or something. Y'all did a really great job on this <3333

[shrewd wren]

Yup, wrong template was used, fixed now

[shrewd wren]

Unpaved road bridges are intended to be paved with stone, as I though that dirt on the bridge does not make a lot of sense
Also I don't have a beach road, it comes from Auz objects
Good catch on centre line, roads were using a wrong gfx switch
Crossings are a part of JP+ Tracks, I'm working on a new ones that will work with JP+ Roads nicely
And slip roads on the slopes are not yet drawn
Thank you for such detailed reports!

[kindred oasis]

Wow

You seem to be succeeding in creating a kind of NAM (mod of SC4) in OpenTTD. Perhaps it is time to retire U&RaTT.

[gusty stirrup]

After the latest update, it seems trees and decorations are no longer visible along the roads

[shrewd wren]

Could it be that you have the catenary hidden? 😛

[gusty stirrup]

Have it set to modern black

[shrewd wren]

I mean in the transparency settings

[gusty stirrup]

Hm ok will take a look once I get back home

[timid river]

Silly question: Is it intentional to not put stop line on 4 lane & 6 lane road intersection?

I mean 4 way intersection, not 3 way intersection where the other road branch perpendicularly (this would be silly)

[tidal perch]

That's four sprites but there are only two roadtypes
So four is smaller than 2 and the answer I think is no

Yet it's doable via a custom road waypoint

[shrewd wren]

Markings for those will come as waypoints

[timid river]

Oooo

Alright

[gusty stirrup]

Nope still doesn't show

Even with transparency off and full details on

[shrewd wren]

This catenary option is why you don't have any visible

[shrewd wren]

Oh wait Its for full disabling right, it's not the main button
Really weird then, as I have everything working on my side

I'll check it tomorrow with your exact settings and climate

[gusty stirrup]

Yeah changed the options and still no decorations visible

On my end

[crude phoenix]

Is catenary showing on your rail lines?

[gusty stirrup]

Yes

[gusty stirrup]

Same with tram lines

[shrewd wren]

Game version might be the issue, I'm using the latest feature of querying the roadtype property

[shrewd wren]

@gusty stirrup
Yep, issue found
Vanilla tdd version must be 15.0
Checked out on 14.1, no catenaries indeed

[true gate]

It seems that I can't place houses on asphalt and concrete roads, is this a bug?

[shrewd wren]

Rural roads have "no houses" flag, to prevent towns from building houses along them
There was a proposal to allow manual placing of houses along those, but I'm not sure where it went

[nova bay]

enjoy the 40km/h :p

[true gate]

Ok I understand, so this is the feature 😂

[gusty stirrup]

How did you get the streetlights to show?

[shrewd wren]

Same as trees - catenary

[open falcon]

Yes, it’s a bug. This PR fixes it in the course of refactoring code for the new feature: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469

[gusty stirrup]

Let me check

The version of my game

[restive meteor]

These roadstop footbridges are offset

Is this intended? Any fix?

They're from jp+ overpass

Seems to be an issue when the JP+ platforms are single sided island platforms not adjacent to the road

[crude phoenix]

The overpasses in JapanSet Stations are too short. This will be fixed when JP+ Stations becomes a thing

[timid river]

It would be nice to have thoese Keihan trains as tram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOx4q7NknSW/?igsh=MWdsaTV4dHFxeGRicA==

sankeiphoto_train

地下鉄、登山区間、路面電車を直通する京阪大津線

#鉄道動画 #鉄道のある光景 #鉄道ファン　#鉄道インスタグラム #路面電車 #路面電車のある風景

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[crude phoenix]

I think what would work better for those is a railtype that can integrate seamlessly with the street

[peak zinc]

why Keihen operates such big vehicles on an line that seems to be an tramway? (curve radius and street running sections)

[dim dock]

why not

[edgy grove]

that's just what interurbans do yeah

pacific electric did it with even bigger cars in LA back in the day

[timid river]

And is a tram :p

[crude phoenix]

Trams can't interconnect with rail lines though, the point would be to have a railway with a street running section

[alpine jackal]

I seem to be really stupid here but would appreciate the help. I can’t figure out how to get Shinkansen to work right. Tried the track and it doesn’t work at all.

Says no electricity. Tried to disable that and still said no electricity. I just want to run them on my NA line

[timid river]

Code it code it

[finite ore]

Drawing a railway type that looks like it's on a road but is just a railway is easy.
Making actual street running requires a big overhaul to OpenTTD

[timid river]

Yeaa

Was a joke

[gusty stirrup]

I use the jgr versions

[bleak glade]

thats quite an old version of JGRpp

[nova bay]

This version is way old

[shrewd wren]

Ye you should upgrade, the roadtype/tramtype/railtype query feature was not a thing then

[bleak glade]

#developer-updates message

[shrewd wren]

Perhaps I should do some error handling

[gusty stirrup]

Oh ok

I haven't updated it for a while

[alpine jackal]

Is there some building I need to make or something so I can use the trains? Even in the depot they still say no power

[shrewd wren]

Could you share the image with all rail tracks listed?

[digital river]

The shinkansen trains require shinkansen multiple unit cars

[alpine jackal]

I finally got it working. No way to change it so I can run them on NA tracks like they used to be able to right?

[crude phoenix]

I'm not sure, depends on the railtype compatibility

Check the parameters

[restive meteor]

Skyscraper prohibition shrine sometimes doesn't work

[crude phoenix]

Can you give an example?

[restive meteor]

In the scenario, Ichigata built skyscrapers with the shrine.

[crude phoenix]

When you query the building, does it have (sky) after its name?

[restive meteor]

No

So only the "sky" are actually skyscrapers? OK. I thought X was as well

[crude phoenix]

Yes, the distinction becomes more obvious in later years when more skyscrapers become available

[peak zinc]

maybe M-storey would be an better word here?

From Multi-Storey

[crude phoenix]

No, that would be incredibly vague because "multistorey" could also describe the small and medium suburban buildings

[peak zinc]

maybe H-rise?

from high-rise

[crude phoenix]

I don't see why it needs to be changed at all

[restive meteor]

Why do only some older buildings accept food and goods?

Just wondering

What the reasoning is

[undone shuttle]

does jp+ have hello kitty shinkansen?

Oh it does

Nice :D

[shrewd wren]

Level crossing gratings
Modern and pre 1950s version

[peak cargo]

Looks really good

[undone shuttle]

Will there be 3rd rail + overhead wire option for tracks in the future?

[shrewd wren]

There's a pr that should be merged soon, that will help with multi-types vehicles, so no need for catenary+3rd track

[undone shuttle]

But if I want to run 3rd rail only stuff and catenary only stuff on the same line?

[shrewd wren]

I might do it is a part of the "international" version, but once again, I'm waiting for the pr that allows defining more than 64 tracktypes per grf (that should be merged soon too)

[peak zinc]

more than 64 types...

Grouping of types for more easy to use interface is possible?

[royal nimbus]

That PR is really weird tho since it doesn't allow more than 64 different ones on the map at once

[magic ridge]

So more than 64 railtypes in the purchase menu but not simultaneously?

[royal nimbus]

Yes

[magic ridge]

Could maybe work with progression of years and better infrastructure

[undone shuttle]

do not

do not even think about variants for railtypes

[wild geode]

Badges

Badge filtering in the drop down list

[edgy grove]

not a priority but cargo recoloring needs to be reworked for FIRS 5

[tidal perch]

Wow transporting lapis

[mossy night]

you will be able to do so much enchanting with that

[edgy grove]

FIRS 5 steel town doesnt have a paper chain unfortunately, cant make books

[tidal perch]

Sad

[shrewd wren]

jp+industries to end this all, one day, one day

[edgy grove]

waiter waiter! more intermodal!

[peak zinc]

blue tarpulins 😉

[edgy grove]

im sure theres a whole host of historically rail served industries in the country but modern JP freight is probably the most boring freight operation in the world

[pure salmon]

how

[edgy grove]

?

[peak zinc]

how non-standard 12ft containers can be boring?

also plenty of oil tankers

some hoppers, covered and not

and an container-carrying flatbed MU

(how this can be boring?)

[edgy grove]

ive never seen anything except the standard containers and the blue tank cars

[crude phoenix]

Already fixed in my local version

[edgy grove]

woo!

[peak cargo]

Tbh a Minecraft industry set would be kinda cool

[edgy grove]

you coudl do a whole MC graphics overhaul pretty easily

[peak cargo]

🤔

[edgy grove]

minecraft trainset: one loco(furnace cart), one passenger car (empty minecart), one universal goods wagon(chest cart), one brake van (tnt cart)

[finite ore]

I have unironically considered a modded MC inspired industry set @peak cargo

But to keep things on topic, @crude phoenix I'll be stealing that when it stops being local

[peak cargo]

Maybe we should work that in future, I feel like it could be a fun fictional/semi fantasy set

But thats for when I've gotten more of my other stuff done 💀

[crude phoenix]

The latest changes are available in the github version 😉

[rustic dust]

All of it - into a toyland. Valid for: any arbitrary amount of years from 0/negative 32-bit integer limit to unsigned/positive 32-bit integer limit.

[tender kite]

Where to find the GitHub version

[crude phoenix]

https://github.com/OpenTTD-JPplus/JPengines/tree/acdc

[tender kite]

which file do I dl?

[bleak glade]

the one called jplw.grf

[tender kite]

kk

[tender kite]

Also, any way to change the start date of the 160kmph tracks for JP+ tracks? They seem a lil too late

[crude phoenix]

No, not currently. There aren't any non-Shinkansen trains that go that fast anyway

[restive meteor]

???

0 horsepower

[restive meteor]

Is this intentional?

[restive meteor]

Is the Skyliner not in game?

Another question: What do restricted signals mean in the JP+ signal pack?

They seem to look the same

So I don't even see how they're cosmetic

[edgy grove]

restricted signals will never show a green aspect

if you arent playing with multi aspect signals then it doesnt matter

[restive meteor]

I am playing with them

So what’s an example of when I would use them

[edgy grove]

roleplay mostly ig

like itd make sense for a stop and proceed signal

[bleak glade]

The skyliner only goes up to 160kmh so the tracks are just about ok

[restive meteor]

Is this a bug

Or is it intended

[crude phoenix]

It's a bug, probably just in the purchase menu

[timber sandal]

Why isn't jp+ roads on bananas anymore?

[crisp stone]

Still testing, not a release

Don’t think it ever was

[timber sandal]

It was, I had downloaded it through in game downloarder

[bleak glade]

It is extremely hard to get things removed from bananas, so if it isnt there or on the bananas website, then almost certainty it wasnt ever there

[timber sandal]

Then how did I download it in game before?

[crisp stone]

Either way, it’s still testing and I think you probably did not get it through BaNaNas

It won’t be available there for the foreseeable future

[pure salmon]

jp+ roads alpha or beta?

[edgy grove]

found a bug with the stone street, the lamp doesn't go away on a T junction

[crude phoenix]

That's just how catenary works in the game, if you actually connect a road to the junction then the lamp should go away

[edgy grove]

ah gotcha

[wild geode]

yozora is using some pretty sophisticated techniques in this set, it does come with a couple of caveats though

[peak zinc]

series 35 coach, maybe? an suggestion

https://en.pimg.jp/096/272/240/1/96272240.jpg

while build for an excursion train, these are still normal non-proppelled loco-hueled coaches, and would be an nice twist for players that prefer loco-hueled operations and would like to modernise the fleet

https://jnsforum.com/community/topic/13081-jr-west-new-35-4000-series-coaches-for-sl-yamaguchi/

[crude phoenix]

I have a bunch more coach types on the list for a future update

[peak zinc]

sweet

[shrewd wren]

Snowy roads

[peak cargo]

omg those look great

[torn tree]

There is a poster of "lovelive sunshine" on the outer wall of station numazu（沼津）?

[ember heron]

Is there?

[dim dock]

yes

[ember heron]

Ah

[bleak karma]

I don't think anyone has made a station set with Numazu in it though

[torn tree]

Aha

[torn tree]

That is good.

[true gate]

This?

[bleak karma]

They probably mean the big one on the south side

[torn tree]

Yes

Will the connection works between the north and south entrances affect these posters?

[torn tree]

Yes, I saw this poster in some YouTube videos.

[open falcon]

I assume he means “uses lots of railtypes,” not “the whole thing is bad.” I don’t think anybody is denying that the OpenTTD design of one railtype for each permutation of gauge/voltage/sleeper/ground type is a good way to do things, and that’s not the fault of any GRF author that they’re using the tools they have.

[edgy grove]

yeah, grfs being able to define parts of the railtype and then mix and match on the fly would be neat

and also something i wouldnt touch with a 10ft pole

[buoyant swan]

It's too late, it's on the public record

And JP+ is pretty bad

[ember heron]

I mean it's....rather complicated

[buoyant swan]

I jest

[torn tree]

What.....?

[buoyant swan]

it's out of context about a railtypes discussion.

[crisp stone]

It is pretty bad though.

[torn tree]

Creation is free

No one can interfere with the free creation of a free community, I think.

[undone shuttle]

Bruh xd

[shrewd wren]

Everything that I wanted to do before the release is done

[tidal perch]

And our good old wooden bridge

[peak zinc]

Snow miku ❌ snow roads 🟢 😉

[torn tree]

Miku?

Yes yes yes（

[nova bay]

This is increasingly getting off-topic

[shrewd wren]

Miku is always on topic

[tidal perch]

I should probably get a new laptop

[torn tree]

Yeah

[ember heron]

Yahoo

Peter emoji

[shrewd wren]

JP+Roads released (#developer-updates message)
My magnum opus and my road to retirement, as it is my last NewGRF.
From now on, I'm only improving and maintaining JP+ Private Companies, Tracks and Roads, as any unfinished thing is contributing to my anxiety.
Please enjoy, and I look forward to seeing some nice screenshots of your cities.

[timid spire]

very well also I hope there's JP+ Cars and Trucks will be worked and I suggest it from my ideas

[torn tree]

Good job guys!

[sharp hearth]

Looks like JP+ Roads has a problem.

The asphalt road doesn't support any vehicles.

[bleak glade]

are you using the most recent version?

[sharp hearth]

If that's 1.0, yes.

[bleak glade]

there was an update yesterday

[sharp hearth]

Oh, it fixed the problem.

[peak zinc]

another livery idea?

https://ngauge.jp/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/A9954.jpg.webp

(God, the link works, just the image does not)

it is an private railroad loco painted in JNR blue style

loco is ED31-4 whatever this means

[nova bay]

E - Electric
D - 4 axles
<50 - maximum speed at most 85 km/h
4 - loco number

But there are multiple types of ED31s since it is bought from various private railway companies

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊那電気鉄道デキ1形電気機関車

[somber kayak]

This says “Yokohama mokei,” or, Yokohama models.

I guess it could technically count as a railway if you were really really tiny.

[crude phoenix]

The link doesn't work for me. I assume it defaults to the logo because it doesn't allow hotlinking. Just copy/screenshot and reupload if all else fails.

From what I can tell it's the Oigawa Railway E31 painted in the JNR Tokkyu livery https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oigawa_Railway_E34_ED31_4_JNR_Type_P_Color_at_Shin-Kanaya_Just_beside_20250503.jpg

This loco is already in JP+ Engines so sure, that livery can easily be added

[peak zinc]

yes yes yes oigawa railway

[peak zinc]

the image came from some sort of shop with models, but showed the photo of accual loco

I came across it whan googling for those freelanced C-type locomotive models lol

[somber kayak]

大井川鐵道 — Oigawa Tetsudo, if you want to search for it 国鉄特急色タイプ — JNR express color type

[crude phoenix]

Fun fact, they were built by the Seibu Railway using old EMU bogies

[somber kayak]

Apparently they were owned by Meitetsu until 10 years ago. I had never heard of them because I only ever got as far as Hamamatsu, and that was me driving there.

[shrewd wren]

Special for UK enjoyers
Uk style third rail + third rail and overhead wire
And fourth rail

For now this will be under this param

[mellow jacinth]

Amazing work as always

Is this live? Or just WIP

[shrewd wren]

It's coded, need to check tracktypes with vehicles to be sure everything is compatible
Not sure what set to test with though

[mellow jacinth]

Mine

[shrewd wren]

You have 4th rail vehicles?

[mellow jacinth]

Actually no, but BRTrains has

[mossy night]

epic

i was just talking about this today

i think

i know it was recent xd

[neon light]

Increased max speed?

[shrewd wren]

130 for default, you can still disable limits

[neon light]

ah cool

[shrewd wren]

It's on git, will make a release with a few more fixes later

[neon light]

It’s just the highest speed on a lot of 3rd rail mainlines is 160kph

[pure salmon]

Question for JP+ locomotives and wagons. Why are OpenTTD load weight values for cargo wagons higher than IRL? For example, Hoki 1000, IRL is 35 t but OpenTTD can carry 72 t. Or Koki 100, IRL is about 40 t but OpenTTD can carry 75-80 t (or up to 80 crates = 40 t)

[shrewd wren]

I tried to address this issue, by making a param for "realistic capacities", but I crashed into the wall, because both load weight and load volume matters. By calculating values automatically, you still have 2 main issues: Volume to weight conversion is done from industry grf side. And very unbalanced capacity for using with existing industry sets.
Sadly I don't think that realistic option would be viable until JP+ Industries become a thing

[crude phoenix]

The capacities are balanced for gameplay, not realism. They're about double their IRL values. I plan to include capacity parameters eventually

[peak zinc]

gameplay balance is important

[shrewd wren]

I wanted a "Japan like" heightmap for so long, but I never found anything close
So I made a small custom tweak of my 32k Japan map, as nothing beats Japan itself.
Space was optimized, Hokkaido was rotated in order to fit it in 4:1 ratio
Okinawa and some small islands were moved closer to the Honshu.
Also I made sure to have "clear edges" to support "water void"
If used on max scale, 1 tile = ~68m
Download

[edgy grove]

do you have max height reccomendations?

[shrewd wren]

Depends on the size.
for 16x4k would be ~100

[summer oxide]

Still no US styled rails? sigh

also if you're doing them, please do the multi-track electric gantries ya see on EX PRR Mains down here

[crude phoenix]

Easier said than done, the catenary/pylon sprites are very limited and don't support that sort of thing

Closest you can get is something like Qatenary but that's complex and hackish and requires multiple railtypes

[timid river]

OHHHHH absolutely fantastic. Doing the god's work

[buoyant swan]

yeah you can't really do any kind of gantry easily unless you use waypoints

I think Japanset had an American (or was it international) preset

Also besides with the way the parameters work you can just as easily customize JP+ into an American setup

Just go with a standard gauge suite and some unelectrified narrow gauge maybe

[restive meteor]

How should I make 4L streets cross primary or secondary streets?

Specifically I want a 4l to meet with a 2l

Is this the intended look? The 3-way junction looks weird with a tiny median

Ah I see the 4L road is marked deco

So is it not meant to be used like this?

[restive meteor]

6l meeting with 2l looks much better

[restive meteor]

Also how do I get crosswalks on streets? Which ones have them?

[timid river]

Cmiiw crosswalk (of 4L & 6L roads) only appears within certain town zones

[restive meteor]

Question: How come my bus won't be able to go to a station on a JP+ 4L road?

Is it because 4L is deocrative?

[raven folio]

Yes

[restive meteor]

Why is 4L decorative but 6L isn't

[crude phoenix]

Probably because the vehicles would glitch into the sidewalk decorations

[shrewd wren]

You can use 6 line left piece for secondary street here

[shrewd wren]

Crosswalks appear randomly in central town zones since 1985

[ember heron]

I will I will edit JP+ Roads for IS

[nova bay]

Does playing JP+ Roads mean enjoying the 40km/h

[shrewd wren]

Playing with JP+ means using trains and reading params 🙂

[restive meteor]

How come skyscraper prohibition shrines aren't built in handplaced cities despite me enabling them?

[ember heron]

IS= India Set

aka the white elephant project I am doing

will take an eternity to finish

[restive meteor]

By the way, the 6R roads render the concrete viaduct wrong

[crude phoenix]

That's a side effect of how bridges have to be coded

The side wall is baked into the ramp sprite so it doesn’t stack correctly

[nova bay]

is this normal? secondary street (without catenary) in 1945

[shrewd wren]

Secondary streets get power poles in 1945

[nova bay]

Okay so this is not catenary but power poles to houses

thanks

[peak zinc]

Would it be possible to fix this?

the train car gets invisible on the territory of the depot

[shrewd wren]

Yes, it's easy to fix

[timber sandal]

Hey, why can I only build houses on streets? Everytime I try to build on roads it gives me "Can't build house no suitable road" is there any way to disable it? I'm using JP+ Roads 0.1.1.

[timid river]

It's intentional

[shrewd wren]

It's a game mechanic, and sadly the setting to allow manual placement does not exist

I could allow placing houses by removing the flag, but this would result in towns growing along the rural roads

[open falcon]

Nah, this is a bug in OpenTTD. I have a PR to fix it, just awaiting review.

https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/14469

[shrewd wren]

JP+ Private Companies revival
TX, TWR and Tokyu were completely recoded to match modern JP+ standards,
6 more liveries as well as TWR 71-000 were added

[pure salmon]

what are the significant recodes for JP+ over JS3

[nova bay]

Everything

[mossy night]

It’s practically a whole new thing

[timber sandal]

Hey, the road is not showing up where it is supposed to show. In other road set it works fine but some reason it doesnt work with JP+ Roads.

[shrewd wren]

JP+ replaces default road sprite with grass, due to it being rendered under every road, which often looks ugly
I can only advise using bridges over stations

[torn tree]

A 7.6-magnitude earthquake occurred in Aomori青森, accompanied by a tsunami

Are you all safe?

❗

[late snow]

@crisp stone i saw the news, everything alright in scotland?

[shrewd wren]

you mean sukotorando, hokkaido

[crisp stone]

My dear, I am shaken but not stirred (well, actually neither, but I fear for my KiHa 40 waifus)

[torn tree]

Hey guys!

I saw this on Bilibili

E233 boso color?
Will it be updated?

[sharp hearth]

That doesn't exist, it's photoshopped.

[nova bay]

https://galakenya.blogspot.com/2025/12/E233-T71toC1-TXdwJrCl8sc.html?m=1
i don’t know if it is photoshopped…

[neon light]

It is real

Set T71 was recently painted into it

[torn tree]

That is so goooooood I think

[sharp hearth]

Whoops, I didn't check at all 😅 thanks for telling me 😄

[torn tree]

I want to share a funny Chinese internet meme.

“活得长什么都能看着”

“The longer you live, the more you see”

So I finally saw the E233 boso color. 😋

[peak zinc]

Just asking, the grf files for mail coaches in MUs are official and safe to use?
Also, is it possible to have mail coach in shinkansen in this set?

[crude phoenix]

The mail refit GRFs aren't official, but they work just fine. Ask @nova bay , he made them

[peak zinc]

I do not want to litter this topic, but while googling for JNR SG locos, I found this photo from Taivan

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjnr-locomotive-been-brought-as-high-speed-rail-switcher-in-v0-pbhh9k9upcgf1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D339cf7dfe6e6675907df4cfd6ccb99e9ff1fa611

SG DD14 variant?

it also seams that at least one DD16 was regauged

[nova bay]

No mail shinkansen

[torn tree]

Until a few days ago*

E3 mail shinkansen……🤔

[signal estuary]

Dear JP Team, I am developing passenger aircraft from around the world. AWAS plans to include Japanese airlines as well. If you could contribute the Japanese airline Sprite, I would gratefully add it. (My English is not very good, I apologize.)

Japan Airlines, ANA, SkyMark, ZIPAIR, Peach Air, and other airlines have already implemented this feature. An alpha test version is also publicly available on GitHub for you to experience.
https://github.com/CoconutKR/AWAS

[peak zinc]

Do You think that modyfing the sprite of the EF66 would be an good idea to make the DD53 and 54?

[crude phoenix]

Nah, the cabs have quite a different shape, the diesels are much boxier

[peak zinc]

Just thinking about kit-bashing becouse it seems that we are missing diesels...

While we have all (?) electrics from JNR/JRF (a few more private would not hurt) we have quite limited selection of diesels...

I think that at current state of the set such additions would be enough?
-DD14
-DD53
-DD54
-ENR-1000/KiYa 291

While there were a lot more diesel locos (most of which can be made by kitbashing existing sprites), I think that adding these would definitly spice-up the gameplay on the unelectrified lines

[crude phoenix]

I'll get to doing those diesels eventually, they're on my list but I just need to wait until I have the motivation

[peak zinc]

Also, I have just learned that some DD51s were converted to standard-gauge (for non-revenue duties, but it is still something)

but, generally due to the sheer nature of this set I would prefer to add extra SG equiptment into an seprate grf/part

by extra SG equiptment i mean things like:
-shinkansen line maintanaince locos (serieses 911 and 912)
-normal diesel locos converted for SG operation
-unbuild proposed container flatbed shinkansen MU
-unbuild proposed SG stoc pre-dating the accual shinkansen programme (locomotives with prefix H)
-maintanaince locos from private SG railroads
-some generic coaches and waggons

this is just an suggestion, I know that You have much more important things on Your agenda

[shrewd wren]

Fukuoka Subway 4000 and Sendai Subway 3000 series
Metro part is completely recoded with partial sprite improvements

[shrewd wren]

Sapporo Subway 1000~9000 series

[digital river]

i find it funny how sapporo's trains are wider than mainline Japanese trains

[shrewd wren]

Hokkaido can allow itself to take more space 😛

[peak zinc]

finally some use for rubber tired guideway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVVqfY0uHco

maybe add the test vehicle as an mail carrier?

[shrewd wren]

I'm focusing on trains that were operational at any point in time

[peak zinc]

I understand

btw lovley sprites

love the one on the left especially

[edgy grove]

is the alignment with the rails off there? it looks kinda weird to me

[shrewd wren]

It's a guideway system

[edgy grove]

ah ok, i thought the tracktype looked weird, this is the WIP thing in tracks?

[shrewd wren]

Yeah, i finished it yesterday so should be in the next update

[edgy grove]

ooooh

[shrewd wren]

Also with fully precombined sprites 🤑

[edgy grove]

what does that mean?

[shrewd wren]

Switches look nicer, no "one sprite on top of another" like with maglevs here for example, that don't have precombined sprites yet

[edgy grove]

ahhh

[peak zinc]

reminds me of TTD Maglev

[bleak glade]

Didn't know that was possible, looks superb

[kindred karma]

YOU DRAWED A RAIL TOO
touzai/toho line uses overhead line tho
also 2 is missing, 6000 prototype and 7000 1st/2nd set livery but this is great enough

ok 3, 3000 early livery

[ashen perch]

Yesss

[shrewd wren]

I've decided to not include the catenary for the guideway, i'm at 64 railtypes now, and these have low pantographs, so it looks "alright" enough without wiring
Also prototype and 7000 are there

6000 is not really distinguishable, maybe flat face for prototype would work better here

[torn tree]

What is the actual power supply method, the third rail? Linear motor?

Looks like the third rail.

[shrewd wren]

third rail for namboku line and overhead wire for tozai and touhou line

[peak zinc]

wait an moment

as the guideway is concrete

I bet that the overhead wire has to be double

2 wires

trolley bus style

[crude phoenix]

No, there's only one wire

presumably it uses the guide rail as a negative

[peak zinc]

so there has to be some sort of metal beam in the concrete

along the line of the vehicle motion

[crude phoenix]

The guide rail is metal

just look at the picture #981523481122471957 message

That line uses a third rail anyway, only some lines use overhead

[peak zinc]

oh yeah

I always thought that it was 100% concrete...

I don't know why I forgot about that picture lol

[timber sandal]

Hey, I just noticed an error on JNR 711 train the gauge is set to standard but it's actually narrow gauge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/711_series

[fallen hound]

Is there a plan to add trains that are included in Japan Train Set 3, but not included in JP+? (Such as 683 Series)

[crisp stone]

A plan, yes

[fallen hound]

Thanks.

[crisp stone]

If you would like to help speed up the plan, there’s one simple trick… 🤔

[pulsar solstice]

Found a bug:
JP+ Signals, high speed restricted signals

If a signal is red in this angle, orange lamp is also turned on.

I'd tried to seek github project, but there's no repository for JP+ Signals.

[haughty monolith]

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