f1-technical

[nocturne dock]

what

[dark bear]

Weather contributed a lot tho

[amber kraken]

You reckon that Traction Control would allow the lap times to increase with the current 2022 cars?

As seen in this comparison video, drivers just stomp on the accelerator out of the corners with the TC on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kcD-MRDP4

[paper wing]

Congrats @amber kraken, you're now on lap 15

[edgy anchor]

Of course they wouls

[nocturne dock]

should have compared the 2009 q3 or something to 2007

2008 was stupid wet in monza

[edgy anchor]

Does thing that make cars rely on machinery that is faster than the human reaction make a car faster with faster reaction?

[short ether]

Not f1 related, but does anyone know what this is?

carburetor

[steel lily]

As norteq said, carburetor, a fully mechanical system of mixing fuel and air.

[rich gust]

Hear me out

Flaps on F1 cars

like on planes

[sudden scroll]

isn't the DRS one?

[zinc smelt]

its kind the opposite

it reduces drag and "lift" if you would invert the wing

but yeah

[drowsy nacelle]

You want flaps for downforce only right?

Right?

[sudden scroll]

well obviously, i don't think we have any parts on a F1 car that produces lift

[zinc smelt]

well, some do but to increase downforce of other parts

the most obvious i think is the upper crash structure on the mercedes if you ask me

[civic fern]

I think thats just there to redirect airflow

Highly doubt it will generate lift any more than other parts that are just “there” (from an aerodynamic perspective, there may be very valid reasons why they’re there from a mechanical etc)

Also it looks like it’ll just stall instantly on the suction side, so its not gonna generate much lift anyway

[civic fern]

Active aerodynamics are being looked at for 2026

[spiral gyro]

the main objective here is to not produce lift tho

[edgy anchor]

Downwashing flow will create lift but to make everything more efficient to make the downforce then it's worth it because there'd be more downforce over the lift generated

[zinc smelt]

ye like you said, in the first place they may produce lift, but create therefore more downforce on other components

[solid spire]

what do you guys think of ferrari making progress on development?

wanna hear some thoughts

[feral mirage]

Would Senna's crash have been fatal if the Halo was implemented at its time? I believe according to post crash analysis what actually ended up killing him was || the wheel flying into the cockpit and fracturing his skull ||

Idk if I'm meant to censor graphic shit here ?

But in any case

[upper ivy]

It's hard to tell, I think there also was a suspension component involved?

IIRC there were multiple injuries that all on their own could have been fatal

[rotund kelp]

It was a suspension rod that went through his helmet iirc

That would have happened with or without the halo

[feral mirage]

It's kinda weird that instead of the Halo they didn't just go for some super protective transparent bubble kinda thing

Halo seems to limit visibility pretty hard

A bubble of poke bullet proof glass or something similar would be relatively impact resistant and projectile resistant too but idk for sure

[short ether]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/40610736

[feral mirage]

Wait actually that'd just turn the car into a pressure cooker if the engine caught fire

[deft burrow]

I disagree.

the only visibility being blocked is what is directly in front of you

but since we have these cool things called eyes and brains, they fill in the gap between the halo and what's on each side, so that the actual column is pretty much invisible

regardless

drivers never look straight ahead anyways

[upper ivy]

the shield (as said in the article Norteq linked) distorted vision too much, and the Aeroscreen without central pillar wasn't strong enough

there's a reason why even Indycar, despite choosing the Aeroscreen, still basically has a Halo-like structure underneath including the central pillar

[edgy anchor]

The Aeroscreen when tested by Dixie and Vettel initially had more of a convex thing going on like a fighter cockpit, but I guess they didn't consider the type of precision that requires so at the time it distorted the view which is worrying when you have to deal with depth

[feral mirage]

counterpoint

https://tenor.com/view/lance-stroll-gif-21687097

[tribal nacelle]

Also, the aeroscreen would block the breeze and would make the cockpit really hot which moght lead to needing to implement a cooling system then it can cause more trouble

[merry delta]

looks at Indycar

[tribal nacelle]

They have a pipe cooling system and a nostril design so that air can still pass through

[merry delta]

yep, ik

so there are solutions already out there

[tribal nacelle]

Yea true

[vivid garnet]

Lmao

[plush panther]

Big change

[sudden scroll]

that’s correct, the chances a halo would have prevented that are way less than a wheel.

so the answer is… maybe? but the part of luck is still as huge as it was then

[rotund kelp]

Yeah at the end of the day risk 0 doesn’t exist

And if it did, I don’t think those guys would want it, they’re also in it for the adrenaline rush

[granite tundra]

senna's crash normally wouldn't have been fatal even in a 1994 car

harder to make a comparison to having the halo because it's ignoring stuff like raised cockpit sides and different survival cell geometry which would have likely been enough on their own

[civic fern]

He definitely would still be alive in one of today’s cars

Thankfully for all current and aspiring drivers

[drowsy nacelle]

Red flag graphic

Did anyone notice if yellow highlighted the respective sectors?

yellow flag*

[nocturne dock]

a ferrari crashed a few years before + caught on fire and the driver didnt die

injured probably but not dead

forgot who it was

[granite tundra]

berger

[vernal elk]

Is there any website that keeps track of components used by driver? Ie: ice exhaust ers battery?
It would be nice to see for tracking long term strategy

[edgy anchor]

Gerhard Berger in 1989 had a similar crash but of course the cars were slightly different especially in width which contributed to some of the differences of the outcome, which set the car on fire and "burnt his balls." Both Senna and Berger walked in that area to discuss what to do because you can't extend the barrier away because you go down a hill into a river, and did unfortunately come to the conclusion that someone's not gonna fair well at Tamburello

||https://youtu.be/0hv0zPkvRQM||

[deft burrow]

@edgy anchor spoiler it pleas :p

[edgy anchor]

Idk how to

[deft burrow]

|| on each side of the link

[edgy anchor]

Thanks 🅱️

[nocturne dock]

couldnt they have added pillows to the wall

i mean barriers

[edgy anchor]

SAFER Barriers nowadays yeah

[civic fern]

Would asphalt be safer

Yeah sure rEsPecT tRaCk LiMiTs but in that case, maybe increasing odds of surviving the corner is preferable?

[deft burrow]

but those are made for low angle impacts

like at oval

s

[nocturne dock]

sand

[sudden scroll]

in that case it wouldn’t have prevented the crashes

as for the tamburello, it’s a shame they didn’t think of a chicane.
hindsight is rarely there when you could use it

[plush panther]

20 seconds from ignition to flames on car out. Wow.

[edgy anchor]

Wdym low angle?

They're right angles

[deft burrow]

where you hit the wall at a low angle

if I recall, that's the primary function for ovals and when it works best

[edgy anchor]

What does that mean tho?

What does low angle mean as opposed to flat on which both these oval and tamburello crashes have?

[deft burrow]

actually that is exactly what I wanted to explain

I had sat for an hour after reading skippy's message trying to explain what I meant with no luck 😢 thank you for that

[fallen tulip]

mspaint comes in clutch

[civic fern]

I mean, it kinda goes both ways

It would be weird for all the best engineers to literally come from just one country

Even “German Engineering”

On the other hand, most of them are based in Britain and don’t want to relocate away from family

Ferrari sorta get away with it because they’re Ferrari and Italy is not regarded as a terrible place to be

[spiral gyro]

at the end of the day its the experience which is required so adding engineers from other countries doesn't necessarily make the team stronger, thats why we see many teams trying to move engineers from redbull, merc, ferrari etc to their own teams as the engineers have ideas due to their experience to make the teams pu faster

[graceful sun]

I mean it kind of does

Peak Ferrari was when the Italians weren’t in power

Then the Italian nationalist wanted change cus Ferrari wasn’t Italian enough

[sudden scroll]

source

[nocturne wave]

trust him bro

[drowsy nacelle]

Yh truest him bro

[drowsy nacelle]

That's one way

But you can also build teams ground up

Binotto said that they already knew about these reliability problems, that is just poor engineering.

They will come back out of it, that's how the cycle goes :)

[edgy anchor]

I thought you meant Vertical angles, sorry

Also yes... The... Safer at Tambur i would've said would be the perfect type of angles they were hitting

[obtuse hollow]

Whats a wind tunnel?

[nocturne dock]

tunnel with a massive fucking fan in it

used to figure out how air goes thru a car

[granite tundra]

this is the kind of absolutely fucking terrible take that i come to this server for

[deft burrow]

yeah no lol, umm.. I just suck at explaining shit

[edgy anchor]

Okay fair, but I think all you meant to put was Shallow angle, at least that's how I know it

[obtuse hollow]

oh

thats lit

[civic fern]

Not even Schumacher managed to do that

Just took his people from his double WDCs at Benetton and hijacked Ferrari together

[silent monolith]

Idk much about f1 car specifics

But couldn’t more resistive shocks help reduce porpoising

[merry delta]

resistive as in stiffer?

[graceful sun]

Then you just bounce on the bumps

[fleet cave]

ig ferrari and RB have swapped engines

lmao

[amber kraken]

Some drivers would have just stop and either do a 3/5 point turn or just reverse out of this situation. But I guess Seb had the momentum and the right throttle application to flick spin his AM out of the escape road https://twitter.com/longlivesv5/status/1535948501250711553

lana 🏳️‍🌈 | champ14ns 🤍 (@longlivesv5)

SEBASTIAN VETTEL YOU’RE THE MAN

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[worldly ferry]

he showed real skill there

when hamilton was struglling to get out the car they said his pit crew couldnt help him cause he was in parc ferme ! how?

[cursive wraith]

Smth about drivers can’t be touched before they’re weighed I believe

[alpine ice]

Sebs god tier at doing that

[alpine ice]

That’s bullshit to me they should allow people to help someone if they are hurt

[worldly ferry]

yeah man

even latifi 10 second penalty was super super harsh

[upper ivy]

Standard penalty though

And it was 100% avoidablr

[silent monolith]

Kinda

I don’t really know how this stuff works like I said so idk

[deft burrow]

I disagree

All personnel know they have a limited amount of time to be on the grid

the mechanic decided to come back onto the grid and push latifi into his starting box

you compete as a team, you get punished as a team

[small crag]

i have a feeling if he would have started the formation lap from where he was before he got pushed back (in front of his slot), he may have been penalized anyway because of some other random FIA rule

It doesn't really matter if you start the formation lap from in front, but i feel like they would've got him on some technicality

[upper ivy]

Why?

Its not like the FIA specifically wants to catch him

[small crag]

that's not what i mean

i mean that if the mechanic decided it was important enough to re-enter the track and push his car back behind the line after everyone's been told to leave, that's probably some kind of requirement, even for the formation lap

so it is possible he could've gotten penalized either way, whether he started the lap from exactly where he was or whether someone came to push him back to the right spot. obviously the latter of those two situations is what ended up happening

nothing to do with latifi specifically

[small crag]

i agree, but a 10 second stop go penalty realistically is like 30-40 seconds considering entry/exit into the pit. when latifi came out the pit he was +42 seconds. that's too harsh for what the violation actually was

that's the kind of punishment you should get for like endangering other drivers or something more serious

[deft burrow]

The mechanic put himself in danger though

I think it's a more than reasonable punishment

@small crag

[small crag]

hmmm

i guess i didn't think of it that way

yeah, ok, i see what you're saying

i was seeing it more like how you're not allowed to touch a driver until their weigh-in after the race

that the violation was the mechanic touching the car after being asked to leave, as opposed to him endangering his life by doing that

i was seeing it as more of a technical violation

[deft burrow]

before the time when mechanics were forced to leave the grid after a set time

there was a mechanic who noticed something wrong on the back of someones car before the formation lap started

so he jumped behind their car to fix it

and you know what happened?

he was hit by the car behind them.

[small crag]

oof

when was this? that sounds like utter chaos

[deft burrow]

1981 at Zolder

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnE3w7kFgs0 || The mechanic was okay and made a full recovery

[small crag]

that looks fucking crazy

really glad to hear the mechanic survived and continued on in F1

i guess almost every little safety procedure has some sort of history to why it needed to be implemented lol

[upper ivy]

Or it was just to lay down rubber

[hushed sigil]

E

[paper wing]

Congrats @hushed sigil, you're now on lap 10

[wispy jacinth]

ik that aerodynamicists are like 10x smarter than me but why dont they just put skids at the back so the car doesnt stall out the diffuser?

[graceful sun]

Cus it’s not allowed in the rules

If the skids get damaged the car will crash and it will be big

Imagine a car going through a fast corner and the skid breaks

And looses a lot of downforce mid corner

[short ether]

The new aerodynamic rules are going about as well as I thought, who's is to say a shit show

Too much, too soon with a budget cap at thaat.

Engines have similar problems. There's a massive switch in fuel composition with simultaneous development freeze...

[heady vale]

Just reminds me of what williams did at Baku this year

The went near Latifi and pushed him a bit back

[obtuse hollow]

How will active suspension help porpoising

[short ether]

it allows you to dynamically adjust damping rates in response to changing loads

this can already somewhat be done with suspension geometry but its not that powerful

[graceful sun]

Not anymore

It was all banned

[edgy anchor]

Active suspension would straight up remedy porpoising because the suspension will be programmed never to bottom out

[smoky lava]

If it were reintroduced it would certainly be regulated and be homogeneous among the teams.

It would not be for at least 2-3 years.

[spice eagle]

damn bro that's netflix and chill....

[merry delta]

yep, he's just watching some F1 for free

[spice eagle]

this is totally technical stuff

[tranquil ledge]

Bro who tf deleted wtf

I was sharing some technical stuff

Mods wouldn't understand it

[deft burrow]

Keep it out of here, thank you.

[tranquil ledge]

No fun allowed 😔

[deft burrow]

We have a shitposting channel, this is for actual discussions only.

[tranquil ledge]

Bro I'm making a analysis as we speak

Hold up imma post again don't get mad

[deft burrow]

if you post it again

im not gonna give another verbal

[short ether]

Has anyone got a chart of current engine sets drivers are on

[wispy wren]

https://www.f1-fansite.com/2022-f1-season/2022-used-f1-power-unit-elements/

[short ether]

How many EX are drivers allowed? I haven’t seen that anywhere else

[wispy wren]

It says how many are allowed under the chart

8 ex

[short ether]

I see, thanks

[wispy wren]

Remember that they can still use the old engines so these numbers doesn’t mean that someone is guaranteed a penalty soon

[graceful sun]

They can but 2/3 of their turbos can’t be used and the last one remaining has done 6 races

They can’t do all the remaining races this season on that turbo so atleast one new turbo is going to be needed

Most likely they will need a few more as well through the season

[short ether]

You talking about Ferrari?

[graceful sun]

Yes

[short ether]

The 6 races part initially confused me

This season has gone so fast

Did Charles take a new PU for Baku/Monaco? Or was it the old PU from before Spain that blew up

[graceful sun]

New one taken in Spain damaged
And another new one damaged in Baku
The turbo 1 from race 1 did the rest of the races

[deft burrow]

They used the Spain PU for Baku

But now it’s completely written off, afaik

[short ether]

Wasn’t it non recoverable

Ok

Thanks

[deft burrow]

So he only has two now

[nimble terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Z57zRlaug&ab_channel=yelistener

I love this guy's channel.

Goes in depth of what drivers do during a lap

[amber kraken]

Huh. Interesting https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tuesday-the-clever-red-bull-underfloor-that-has-made-porpoising-less-of.7EbdEh2AlOnKqBebMJPZqF.html

[merry delta]

there's also this by kyle.engineers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUv_1eUbpBc

[merry delta]

and an analysis of other floors used in Monaco by b sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFqYNJJb6_0

[short ether]

meh

imo i think going back to ground effect was a mistake

[sudden scroll]

why

it’s a great source of cleaner downforce

[edgy anchor]

Damn is this where liberty dies?

[grand eagle]

With busted backs

[jaunty surge]

can anyone explain this way too technical for my brain 💀💀

[graceful sun]

Measuring the g force going up and down the cars reach and set a limit to it

[balmy sandal]

^ this

[jaunty surge]

ty

[hot quarry]

Mercedes are screwed

Redbull are blessed

[lavish ledge]

so teams will be forced to raise their rides probably

ferrari are fucked

idk y they just couldnt allow active suspension

[sudden scroll]

it costs money, that's also the reason why they removed it in the first place.

also they don't want aids in the cars, in case that's not obvious

[lavish ledge]

It should still be allowed imo it would make the cars faster and reduce porpoising but it would need to be heavily regulated

Ik it won't come back but im saying it would be the ideal fix to end porpoising

[sudden scroll]

i think it's a cheap trick for teams who have fucked up their packages and should have known better

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1537476991271804929

Tobi Grüner 🏁 (@tgruener)

We've got our hands on TD039 & tell you all the details. New porpoising limits will be set before FP3. If a team can't supply a setup deemed to be safe, they have to raise ride by 10mm. Cars will be disqualified. if still above the limits.

AMuS (German): https://t.co/tzlPqzeoHr

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[lavish ledge]

Yea I kinda agree its kind of a get out jail free card

But the drivers are really suffering out there

Hopefully teams can fix it soon

Because it is possible

Cause redbull nailed it

[sudden scroll]

frankly, almost everyone has gotten it right

[lavish ledge]

Not Mercedes

Ferrari porpoise but its under control kind of

Idk about the other teams though

[sudden scroll]

everyone has some

[lavish ledge]

Mercedes have the most though?

[sudden scroll]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVPJwvLWIAA9Gyx?format=jpg&name=medium i've seen this, but idk where this data comes from so it might be iffy

(if someone has the source for this data, pls share)

[lavish ledge]

I saw a graph somewhere on Twitter which showed teams porposing before and after upgrades but idk where it is

[graceful sun]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CezLs20N9M6/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Instagram

That’s from this posts

[lavish ledge]

W

[sudden scroll]

@wanton bronze this is not the scope of this channel

[wanton bronze]

It was a technical question man, lol. It was a is it true or is there a chance still? And have a discussion on it

Why u keep deleting it as it was a banter message wtf just wanted to see what other people think of the rule

[sudden scroll]

there was no question in your messages 😉

[wanton bronze]

Alright than you didn’t understand my intent

No problem

[deft burrow]

The only way I could ever see it coming back, is as a standardized part. There would be 0 chance in hell the FIA bring back something with high development costs in an era where they want to reduce costs

[wanton bronze]

FIA wants to create more competition and close battles but don’t want to reduce costs. This is controversial, active suspensions are key not to have another one-team domination these years on

[short ether]

Leclerc will take 10 place penalty.
I forgot how the pen system works, it is 10 for ICE and then later ICE is 5.
Turbo is 5
But Charles is taking new ICE AND turbo so shouldn’t this be a 15 place pen? (5 turbo 10 ICE)

[sudden scroll]

they want to recycle "old" parts as much as possible. the penalties will be made public during the course of the weekend, he might not get a single penalty... at the risk of more failures

[short ether]

F1TV graph looks different

[sudden scroll]

this is the real data we want

[short ether]

Would this ‘amplitude’ be measured by the IMS or will they have to fit a different sensor?

[short ether]

Also, how would the FIA determine a ‘stable setup’ since the cars behaviour and its bouncing changes when it’s on high/low fuel and perhaps also tyres.

[short ether]

https://tenor.com/view/sounds-expensive-murray-goldberg-expensive-costly-that-sounds-expensive-gif-16356433

[short ether]

Too much bounce > FIA angry = raise the ride height by 10mm as a penalty

[sudden scroll]

it seems they already have the data, so i don't see why they would need a new sensor for that.
they will surely have some error margin if they have to give in fines 🙂
as for the stable setup, i don't know. it's surely in a document on the FIA. website but i've not seen it

[short ether]

Also this. Anyone? 👀👀👀

[wanton bronze]

Mercedes is the only team that has a stable porpoising 😂

[lavish ledge]

Well

What a time for leclerc to take his first career win when he doesn't start from pole

I'm jk

I hope he gets a podium at least

[short ether]

Latifi going to do a Latifi slam

SC

Hit the wall

Change race leader

Charles will deffo get a podium.

[lavish ledge]

I hope he wins

But I don't think 😭

Sainz will have to turn into Checo and manage to hold up verstappen and checo for like 15 laps do Charles can catch up

😭

[short ether]

Or a safety car

Or a red bull DNF

It’s been about time.

[upper ivy]

the data is F1 directly isn't it

[lavish ledge]

Yea

Just one safety car at the right time

Leclerc is back on it

Our new low down force rear wing brought us speed

Idk if ferrari brought upgrades or not but we will need upgrades

[keen crow]

But then max and checo catch up 1 lap later just like in abu Dhabi despite him making a 30 seocnd gap 😭

[short ether]

Who creates technical directive rules for F1 n shit. Is it Bin Sulayem or Ross Brawn FOM?

[granite tundra]

neither, TDs come from the FIA's technical department

[short ether]

Do you know who is the head/main figures of that?

[granite tundra]

Tombazis is SS tech director, bauer is f1's tech delegate

[gaunt sand]

FIA are going to fix bouncing soon, that will be good

[calm burrow]

Will mclaren be competitive ?

[merry delta]

great question

[gaunt sand]

they might

[worldly ferry]

what will this affect of new ride height effect RB?

[merry delta]

it might not as the RB18 is already operating well at a higher ride height

[calm burrow]

merc is a bit doomed unless there car is deemed safe

not sure how aston martin will fare as they share the same suspension

[worldly ferry]

oh mercedes car is made for low downforce?

[calm burrow]

no high downforce

[deft burrow]

No.

[calm burrow]

i think merc has the most aggresive downwash package

alfa romeo is the least

[worldly ferry]

they have the highest downforce package?

so they are going to be competing with haas?

[calm burrow]

not necessarily

look at spain

there had the least porpoisingthere

if they can recreate what they did at spain they will be fine

[worldly ferry]

I hear it had more to do with track surface than anything

[calm burrow]

the track is smoother at barcelona cause it's a proper track not a street track that may have many bumps and dips

they could be competitive at canada cause the track surface might be smooth

[worldly ferry]

they said canada is a park

so it just like baku

open to the public

[calm burrow]

canada is not a street track ?

[worldly ferry]

no

its a park

[calm burrow]

ok

it might be bumpy

[worldly ferry]

civilians go to that lake there

it is very bumpy, potholes drainige etc

[calm burrow]

merc is doomed

[worldly ferry]

their chance is silverstone

[calm burrow]

i think williams is in the same situation as merc

[calm burrow]

very true

williams has no sideponds or minimal like merc

[worldly ferry]

hamilton has not lead a single lap this year

does the sidepods effect downforce

[calm burrow]

he was in concention for the win without being torpedoed by kmag

[calm burrow]

yes and no

theoretically less sidepods mean more aero efficiency.

However it's not working for merc

maybe because they are down of power

I think how the package as a whole operates affects the downforce

[worldly ferry]

more bad news

so fia are going to punish the teams who are puting their drivers in bouncy situations

so they can get performance

[calm burrow]

i think merc is working on better suspension

cause their rear suspensions is not great at the moment

[true pendant]

will they get it done for canada

but i guess its too late since the cars are in canada already

[graceful sun]

Silverstone likely apparently

Rumours have it that they will have a new car

[lavish ledge]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ce5yZ93NMpF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Instagram

[short ether]

something had to be done

the rate of bouncing was juust going to cause a large assicent or continue to tear up cars

[rotund kelp]

isnt that what they just did

[lavish ledge]

^

[short ether]

youre hired

[fallen tulip]

it is a recent technical directive put in place

[sudden scroll]

@lavish ledge keep memes and bants out of this channel please 🙂

[lavish ledge]

oh ok my fault 😂

[tropic lark]

I will never understand people saying that George has outperformed Lewis in the same car. Lewis has said that both of them are on very different setups, Lewis’s being the more experimental.

It’s like they don’t want to listen

[rotund kelp]

Ofc they don’t want to listen, even with his record beating history they say it’s just the car, don’t waste your time

[rotund kelp]

much technical thank you very insight

[true pendant]

lewis is the most hated driver in f1 history, its no suprise they wont listen

the only facebook posts i know where he doesnt get abuse is the mercedes amg petronas f1 team

facebook account

[sudden scroll]

facebook is a very technical place to discuss

[tropic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-little-suspicious-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-suspicious-doubtful-gif-18838097

@rotund kelp

[rotund kelp]

hello, yes?

[tropic lark]

just the gif lol

[true pendant]

what does harvesting mean

and why do the lights flash at the back when the car is apparently harvesting

[tropic lark]

Charging the battery with heat from breaks

Lights just let you know when the car is harvesting

[limpid stone]

Can anyone give me a run-down of the new porpoising rules? seem to me that most people and teams are unhappy with it, but to me reducing porpoising for the most harsh teams seems like a good idea

[edgy anchor]

It's like a tolerance for the maximum amount of Vertical G-Force, and then if the setup can't do it then they'll be penalised or whatever

[limpid stone]

So why are RB crying? that seems like the ideal rule change

[merry delta]

well, in the meantime, they're doing stuff based on the measurement of the planks

so who knows

[harsh zealot]

Cuz they ain’t got so much of a problem with it. I quote Max “it’s up to each team to figure it out”

[limpid stone]

But isnt that exactly what the FIA is doing? Each team decides how they fix it, but you gotta fix it! The FIA isnt demanding ride hight increase if the g forces are low

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me that the drivers shouldn't get chronic back pain in order to maximize pace? Of course people say "the drivers signed off on it", but if they didn't they'd be replaced with someone willing to break their backs for a WDC

[edgy anchor]

I think most can agree that it's good to go for this way as opposed to just arbitrarily implementing Ride Height limits when we already have Planks

It just feels like a slap to the face when Mercedes are the big complainers

[limpid stone]

Idk, i think 10G spinal compressions are a net negative for the sport, Mercedes or not...

Ricciardo also said his back hurt like hell, probably not Mercedes only, theyre just the worst

[edgy anchor]

Chief... Hmmm

[limpid stone]

who knows, maybe RB will have little to no changes anyway to comply with the vertical g forces reqs, and are just whining for no reason

[true pendant]

why is it when a driver comes in the pit the crew puts those vacuume cleaners into the air ducks

and brack discs

is it to warm or to cool?

[fallen tulip]

cool, because otherwise without the constant cooling air coming through the brake ducts they will catch on fire

[true pendant]

spontanious combustion

[amber kraken]

I wonder how the High Rake concept helped Red Bull in the V8 era. Because the High Rakes were present in their 2010-2013 cars

[real dust]

why silverstone so important

[plush panther]

Because it’s a race on the calendar that drivers can score points at, just like every other race on the calendar?

[graceful sun]

Home race of the most influential nation in f1

Still considered a home race for like 6/10 teams

[real dust]

no bc everyone is like silve3rstone big updates stuff

[graceful sun]

Exactly

Easier for teams to bring upgrades to a track that’s like 30 min drive away

[wanton bronze]

It’s a track where it does have long straights, long, middle and short turns so it’s a Spain 2.0

[spiral gyro]

^^ it’s pretty much spain 2.0 as it has all the corners and straights which other circuits have in the calendar. but it’s important cuz its all in one place aka spain and silverstone

[fallen tulip]

and as said since almost every team is based in (or has some presence in) the country it is much easier to transport the upgrades

AM for example is based almost on it's doorstep

[lavish ledge]

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1538999131187908608

Ferrari News 🐎 (@FanaticsFerrari)

🚨| Mattia Binotto was sceptical of how Mercedes managed to install a second floor stay so quickly.

🗣 “Toto says they did it overnight. Ferrari would not be capable of doing this.”

“I’m surprised that a team is so strong to manage it overnight. I can only trust what he says.”

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Twitter · Jun 20, 2022, 9:36 PM

did mercedes second floor help them?

[deft burrow]

when is he not skeptical

[deft burrow]

They took it off.

[lavish ledge]

oh ok

[deft burrow]

however

according to Mercedes, their bouncing hasn't been from porpoising at canada....?

[lavish ledge]

other teams were skeptical too and there were reports that binotto and toto had an argument

and christian horner was in it too

https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1538552894118670340

Ferrari News 🐎 (@FanaticsFerrari)

🚨| There was an ‘angry exchange’ between Mattia Binotto and Toto Wolff yesterday regarding the porpoising technical directive.

Christian Horner was involved too.

Netflix was also present.

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Twitter · Jun 19, 2022, 4:02 PM

[merry delta]

it didn't really help them as they didn't run the second floor stay in qualifying or in the race

Merc only ran it in FP2, then they didn't do so again

[civic fern]

Its the one where all the workers in the factory can easily show up and watch their hard work on track

[exotic fulcrum]

What's lock up

[wide sun]

its when a driver breaks too hard and the tire locks up

[exotic fulcrum]

So they can't turn like what happened to Hamilton once?

[wide sun]

kinda

you just loose control of the car

and your pace gets fucked

[sudden scroll]

the tyre stops rotating and just slides, destroying itself in the process

[granite tundra]

tyres only have a finite amount of grip, and asking the car to accelerate, turn, brake etc. all uses up that grip. when the braking force on the wheel is more than the grip the tyre has available then the wheel stops turning and starts sliding

which is shit for performance because a static wheel has a much lower coefficient of friction than a rotating one

so if you're locking up the fronts and trying to turn, all of the grip of the tyre is now being 'used' as it's sliding across the surface and there's none available to turn

in theory you want to be braking in a straight line with just under enough force to lock up, because that means you spend the least amount of time braking

in practice you do actually brake and steer at the same time but that's the fundamentals of it

[edgy anchor]

Needs that 12% slip for peak traction y'kna

[nimble marten]

bruh

such a complicated explanation you gave

[sudden scroll]

it's #f1-technical 😉

[nimble marten]

he didn't even mention about abs lmao

[sudden scroll]

because f1 cars don't have ABS?

[nimble marten]

Yes, thats why the tyres lock

Lmao

[short ether]

it was banned a while ago

[sudden scroll]

yes

[short ether]

i don't really understand the ban on active expension anymore

what FOM is asking teams to do with underbody aerodynamics is far more expensive and more complex compared to adjustable suspension

[sudden scroll]

they might change their mind and allow for a standard active suspension kit tbf

but i think they want to keep everything passive in the car, outside of the electronics you need for the PU and a few things that are adjustable on the steering wheel

so that the driver is useful and not just a simple machine operator that turns the steering wheel and the machine does the rest for him

[granite tundra]

..read the channel name

[crystal stirrup]

If all the porpoising fixes will inherently slownthe car, why the complaints?

[merry delta]

you've just answered your own question

[crystal stirrup]

@merry delta no, the complaints from RB and Ferrari abt in season fixes

[merry delta]

if I am not mistaken, they're more so complaining about formalities when it comes to "technical directives", "technical regulations", and other verbiage

along with stating "Fix your own car, teams that have already fixed it shouldn't be affected"

[crystal stirrup]

@merry delta but no has fixed it... ferrari is porpoising, haas just raised the height and now are slow,

[merry delta]

some are dealing with it better than others though

[short ether]

Asking too much from brakes
(Brakes/tyres cold, braking whilst turning too much)

No abs (anti lock braking) like on road cars, so if you lock up (ask too much), the tyre stops rotating, which increases braking distance

[short ether]

Porpoising is still allowed(for now), the rules just state a ‘quantitative limit on vertical oscillations’ so a car can bounce perhaps but not too hard/often. We will find out more in the next few races.

[exotic fulcrum]

Thanks and btw, why are some cars so much faster than the others and why do other teams race agaisnt them if they don't stand a chance, what are williams or mclaren gaining from it?

[short ether]

If you’re referring to Hamilton Baku 2021:

Hamilton had a switch kept on by mistake called ‘brake magic’. He uses this switch to heat up the front tyres and brakes for good grip into turn 1. It’s done by increasing the brake bias A LOT, to the front tyres.
Around 70-80% of the braking force to the front tyres.

He was meant to switch this off at the race restart, back to the usual limit of 50-60%, but he didn’t by mistake.

80% on the front tyres, whilst braking with so much force into turn 1, doesn’t work. It’s asking too much from the front tyres.
Instant lock up
Huge lock up.

[short ether]

Teams are mostly faster due to higher budgets, better personnel and infrastructure.

Williams come from an engineering and racing background. They have a low budget.
They just love racing.
It’s the passion, they don’t turn out a huge profit but it’s what hundreds of workers who work there love.

McLaren are similar, but have a target to promote their brand and sell more road cars.

Back in the 20s and 30s, people would buy the cars that were popular (winning races).
It’s why we love brands like Ferrari and Porsche, because they’re engrained within motorsport history.
It’s a huge marketing scheme, but also a very fun way to waste money.
They earn supernormal profits, but not a crazy amount. It’s mostly all reinvested.

[short ether]

They gain less being at the back of the grid but it’s still huge exposure for sponsors and their own companies.
It’s expensive marketing.
They still get a large chunk of F1 money at the end of each season and big sponsorship contracts.

[exotic fulcrum]

Isn't there a budget cap this year so these big differences in performance due to more money spent wouldn't happen?

[short ether]

Correct. And yes.
2022 - $140million
2023 onwards - $135million

[exotic fulcrum]

Do the smaller teams not have $140m?

[short ether]

They have it. And will spend it.

[exotic fulcrum]

And the big teams won't go past it right?

[short ether]

Correct

[exotic fulcrum]

Then why are some of them still so slow

And why were redbull faster than renault when their engines were bought from them?

[short ether]

• The major teams have been preparing for years, they have more staff and more infrastructure to build the new reg cars earlier, so they bypassed the cost cap.
e.g. Mercedes has around 3x the staff of Haas for example.

• Major teams have better infrastructure. And staff. The best work for the best.
e.g. Mercedes have their own wind tunnel, whilst the smaller teams don’t.

[deft burrow]

also the big teams still have at least another 2 years of R&D advantage over the midfielders

[short ether]

I put this down to Renault not getting their act together. Poor management and probably not as good engineers. Also, their budget isn’t as high.
But their tenure has been a disappointment.

[deft burrow]

hence why many engineers and analysts have said that you won't see the full effect of the cost cap till 2024-2025 at the earliest

[short ether]

Yep

[deft burrow]

Plain and simple, Red Bull have much better engineering talent + like Didier put, Renault going through their phase of Cyril's trash management

There was a time, 2010-2015-ish, where Red Bull had a works partnership with Renault, but that ended shortly after Renault came back in 2016, and only two years later their relationship deteriorated beyond repair

[exotic fulcrum]

I just watched that in the netflix show

I have a lot of questions

[civic fern]

actually, that's no longer true about Williams. their engineering is rather dated compared to the rest of the grid, kinda like a falling behind the times sort of thing. for a while they were carried by the overpowered hybrid Mercedes engine in the early era, but once other PUs got better they just fell behind the midfield.

they have an equal budget now, but are now owned by Dorilton who are investors looking to make a profit. it's as you'd expect, but being profitable and being front of the field are not necessarily the same thing. when Williams were languishing at the back of the field in the dirty air era, they were actually the most profitable team on the grid because they didn't spend as much as they got from sponsors.

McLaren is just a marketing brand on it's own at this point. 10 years ago they were British Ferrari rivals, taking them head on in both F1 and the supercar market. nowadays they are less interested in winning championships than they are in marketing a brand. under Zak Brown's leadership they have instead acquired an Indycar team, entering Extreme E, and now bought Mercedes EQ for Formula E all within the span of 5 years. you can't tell me that's a team focused on winning the F1 world championship.

i do agree that the top teams are faster due to better personnel and infrastructure

Haas spent the entirety of 2021 (an equal budget cap year) focused on 2022 from beginning to end, while Mercedes spent that same year in a monumental title fight. not to mention, 50% more wind tunnel time than Mercedes. this year, the Ferrari PU in the back of that Haas is more powerful than the Mercedes, and yet the car is still slower than the flawed bouncy Mercedes from the beginning of the season. the driver differences between Hamilton/Russell and Magnussen/Schumacher are not big enough to justify a gap like this

[rich gust]

Should F1 allow for different engine types like how it was with LMP1?
They would all be nerfed to produce the same amount of HP though

Would be fuckin nice to see V6s competing against v8s or v10s

fuck it even V4s

[edgy anchor]

I think it can be done, even without BOP or whatever gimmickness if you made the regs balance them out with just the right amount of boost for turbo boiyos

Like the 3.5's vs 1.5 turbos if they had done so later on when N/A revs had hit the bigtime

[tranquil ledge]

My friend says everyone wants to strokes is that correct?

[edgy anchor]

What

[tranquil ledge]

Doesn't matter nvm

[deft burrow]

two stroke engines

[cursive wraith]

Stroke Deez nuts

Was the joke I think

[edgy anchor]

I don't see the point personally when there's even less relevance

[sudden scroll]

i think so yea. the regs are too restrictive and don’t allow for innovative solutions outside of them.

[short ether]

Why were the 2005 cars so slow compared to 2004

Was it only the tyre rule?

[short ether]

That would be awesome

[merry delta]

there were also some aero changes, but it largely was the tires

I've heard that the most important parts of an F1 car are the tires, it's the 4 things that actually let the car interact with the road

[sudden scroll]

they implemented some aero changes that raised the front wing as well. i forgot about the rear wing if there was anything

[edgy anchor]

They also reduced rear wing overhang and whatnot that led to increased development of the sidepod appendages which induced more drag

[lavish ledge]

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1541348653339648000

Autosport (@autosport)

Formula 1 is on track to be a net-zero carbon series by 2030, as well as switching to 100% sustainable fuel sources in 2026 with the new generation hybrid engines 👏🌎

#F1 #Autosport

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Twitter · Jun 27, 2022, 9:12 AM

wow

[rocky fox]

where does the sc go after the start of the race?

[stark adder]

into the pits

[rocky fox]

normally or in reverse

in some occasions i saw the sc startinh before the pit entry

[slender wagon]

yep, tires are the most important.

everything you do on the car happens through those 4 contact patches.

[upper ivy]

at the start of a race it's the Medical car following the field. And I think it usually makes a full lap, then returns to the pits

that way if any big crash happens in the first lap (which has typically the highest risk for that) the medical car is there as soon as possible

[frank moth]

id like to make an f1 based project(physics) for school

any ideas on what to make it on

[civic fern]

HS or college?

[frank moth]

Hs

[daring wedge]

Proposing a porpoising solution - Something to do with fluid mechanics or aero

[frank moth]

i think ill make it on aero

[fringe hull]

I think for hs drs system world be nice tbh

[shrewd crystal]

My engineer is glitched while talking now.

[median folio]

If the Top 8 score points in the Sprint race, why did they didn't just used the 2003-09 points system?

[merry delta]

likely because sprint races are still kinda an experiment, and the FIA doesn't want to push away fans for some (currently) inconsequential race as a sprint

[edgy anchor]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1542501328370290689

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

Los nuevos pontones del Alpine para Silverstone.

New Alpine sidepods.
#BritishGP #F1

Twitter · Jun 30, 2022, 1:32 PM

[median folio]

El Flan in Action

[slender wagon]

Why do you want to pursue an F1 project? Is it a school project for grades?

[unreal delta]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1542561262709755911

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

La comparativa de los nuevos pontones y suelo en el Williams. Solo Albon

New floor and sidepods comparission on the Williams. Only for Albon
#F1 #BritishGP

Twitter · Jun 30, 2022, 5:30 PM

[deft burrow]

bro

Aston Martin copying Williams and Williams copying Aston

[tulip valve]

looks quite like the original alpine side pod

[graceful sun]

Merc watching closely

[unique burrow]

Merc bringing a new floor

[vestal depot]

We have the Red Bull, the Green Bull, and now the Ugly Bull

[upper ivy]

I'm actually surprised that Williams is bringing such a big upgrade, but I hope it helps to improve the car

[fair heath]

any alfa upgrades this week?

[cursive wraith]

Nope

[fair heath]

fuck

[viscid shoal]

Blue Bull

[lunar apex]

H

[cursive wraith]

Blue balls

[wispy hearth]

which software is used by mercs and ferrari to track telemetry data ?

[torpid nexus]

how come i can't play online games on f1 22? i just doesn't let me join a session

[deft burrow]

Verify your game files

[naive elm]

doesnt look bad tbh

[hollow oracle]

Wonder what the Aston Martin upgrades are

[fleet robin]

Sidepods were changed

Look alot like the Red Bulls sidepods now

[wispy hearth]

doesn't make a difference on their result tbh

[grave fiber]

they all changing sidepods

i see only the ferrari powered teams and alpine not going for a red bull style sidepod

[short ether]

Maybe this is kinda technical but heres a comparison of max and Lewis’s driving styles (it’s similar) quite fascinating

Lewis Hamilton needs no intro easily all-time greats and arguably better than the likes of Schumacher and senna. Regarding his technique, on entry he likes to brake late (sometimes locking up the inner front tires) and very fast then trailbrake perfectly till he gets the rear rotated, and smashing the throttle on exit but controls it with wheel control and his driving lines. He likes to vary the late, early or normal entry lines, sometimes even on the same lap, according to the behavior our of his car, he is always prepared for what the car has to throw at him. His adaptability is one of his strongest weapons, but this wouldn’t help him without his outstanding precision, in this regard he and Verstappen are above the current field. Another trademark of his driving is his ability to transfer load very rapidly, which helps him especially on circuits with many chicanes. Furthermore Lewis never likes to leave the car “empty” a phenomenon that the driver never leaves the car coasting on entry or mid corner like some drivers do for example Leclerc and similar to Schumacher in a way.

Max Verstappen Most Raw Talent on the grid, and gave Lewis a run for his money albeit in a faster car for 3/4th of the 2021 season. His driving technique is more akin to a precise 12-hour operation conducted by a brain surgeon according to a thought-out plan, than to the hot-headed behaviour of a young man in his twenties. The biggest trademark of Max’s speed is that he steers for a minimal amount of time and as the car starts to rotate, he controls it with the pedals, this is also an important aspect of his good tire management. Max is special he has superb precision his “inner clock” is calibrated perfectly, that enables him to arrive at every corner at the same exact point and in the exact way as he planned to do. He does this at every stage of the race regardless of speed or tire life. And very similar to Lewis he never leaves the car “empty”.

Overall Max and Lewis are leagues above the rest of the grid, both have somewhat similar driving styles and one of the few drivers that i think can hop in each others cars and drive them to where they are now.

Finally done

[drowsy nacelle]

Good write. Would love to look at supporting data as well if you have any.

Driving styles are generally not covered in great detail.

[short ether]

I mean, max u could see it in his onboards easily ausria 2019 or 2020 I forgot but mainly the throttle and brake graphs on tv are actually rlly useful to differentiate drivers

For Lewis same thing really and even jenson has said it in a podcast

Kov has also said some things abt lewis and his driving

From 2011 Lewis

[nimble marten]

there's a story behind Lewis' driving style

[short ether]

His dad ik

I heard it

[nimble marten]

ye

[deft burrow]

If I recall, his dad and Jos trained their kids similarly

kept pushing them to the limit in karts while training until they went past the limit

brake at the last possible minute, get on the power as early as possible

it’s no wonder why they are considered the most elite F1 drivers of this century

[short ether]

May explain max’s perfect rotation of that Redbull

[deft burrow]

and also why no matter how difficult the car is to drive, he just figures it out on a dime

Especially when both Lewis and Max are on the back foot

I think that’s when you see their best

[short ether]

Both of them know how to perform under pressure

Imo max is the top 4 greatest in history

Lewis the greatest

And then its a battle between senna Shumacher and max

I’d have to look at more old footage to make the judgement

[graceful sun]

💀

Max belongs no where near top 10 let alone top 4

[short ether]

In terms of his driving

He does

I mean personally im a lewis fan but u cant deny max has talent enough talent to be in the top 5 greatest

I put lewis higher up the list due to
Race Pace (he usually compromises his qualifying setup for a race geared setup mainly Low Drag

The way he battles (He picks the safer option which is use his low drag to overtake in a straight line)

Sportsmanship (He got robbed in 2021 2016 and more but he has always congratulated the other party something arguably they wouldn’t do)

Adaptability (Its Lewis Hamilton we’ve seem him shine in changing conditions even with lower drag compared to his teammate)

Max though has very good car control like unmatched

[fleet robin]

Even if F1 was a spec series he would be top 3 nearly every race lmao

[deft burrow]

He’s talking overall

and usually when you talk about the best drivers, it’s at the end of their careers and you compare achievements

[civic fern]

i mean, give it 13 years or so and we'll see how 37 year old multiple WDC Max Verstappen handles it against 24 year old version of himself lol

the one singular reason I rate Hamilton above Schumacher is that he's never been in any major cheating scandals

i.e. the shady traction control Benetton in 1994 (suspected by none other than Senna and Newey)

Adelaide 1994

complete DSQ from the 1997 season

Monaco 2006

[upper ivy]

AFAIK that has never been confirmed if not completely debunked? So I wouldn't exactly put that on the list

it also wouldn't be something that's Schumi's fault

just like e.g. Spygate wasn't on Hamilton

[civic fern]

well, hes potentially driving an illegal car

they even found software for TC on the car

[upper ivy]

if the team builds an illegal car that's not the drivers' fault

[civic fern]

that is definitely not on Hamilton. if Hamilton was part of it, Alonso would have dragged him down with him for it

[upper ivy]

exactly, but I don't think any illegal things on the car that Schumacher drove would be his fault either

Jerez and Monaco were fully on him because, well, he controlled the car

[civic fern]

theres no excuse for 1997

[upper ivy]

I'd maybe add that time in Hungary on the list where he almost put Barrichello into the pit wall

[civic fern]

key point is, what are your standards when you put a guy thats literally been disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct as the greatest of a sport lol

cuz if thats okay, then what are rules for? everyone else should just go for it too

[upper ivy]

I think you can praise a driver for their achievements and still condemn them for dirty actions they've done, and acknowledge that they're not a saint.

And generally I'd say in the past things often were much "dirtier" than they are today in F1. That doesn't make certain things that have happend great. But it also means things are seen differently. Like that famous duel between Villeneuve and Arnoux. It's seen as a great battle nowadays, but I couldn't imagine a battle today where the drivers literally bump into each other that hard

[edgy anchor]

... 2007 Data share?

[civic fern]

Hamilton uninvolved

there is literally nothing that suggests otherwise. think about it, if Hamilton was involved and then lied about it, wouldn't Alonso have called foul in half a second and dragged Hamilton down with him in court?

[edgy anchor]

Well even if he didn't know, he drove the car

[civic fern]

the car wasn't illegal

if anything, Ferrari's was actually proven illegal

[edgy anchor]

Copying parts of another's car, if that part is legal, doesn't make it not legal

[deft burrow]

I don't remember McLaren actually copying parts of the Ferrari after they had obtained the info

If I recall, the entire point of McLaren taking data from Ferrari, was to prove Ferrari had an illegal car

but that doesn't matter if they copied or not

since copying has been legal for a long time

[edgy anchor]

Oh wow, I thought they'd used the data to improve their own as a cross reference

Which is why you can't really ban that thing technically coz you can't just... Undo specific knowledge

[amber tendon]

hey i need some help with my racing set up

my thrustmaster tmx pedals have not been working in f1 2022 and idk what to do

[spiral gyro]

wrong chat m8

[true pendant]

Why does a f1 car slow down during harvesting

[upper ivy]

With the MGU-K, rotational (kinetic) energy from the rear axle gets turned into electrical energy, and this "transformation" of energy slows the car down

[edgy anchor]

It's always put so pseudo-simply when people don't know what that means

The MGU-K is a combination of a Starter and an Alternator, it jams on the voltage to get resistance to work like a brake

But you're spinning a core in a winding trying to keep it still, you get electricity

[upper ivy]

I mean, sometimes a simple explanation of something more complicated still gets the point across?

[edgy anchor]

Well like... I know it's not your fault but when it's the whole converts Kinetic energy from the rear brakes it's like, okay, while right... What does that look like

[true pendant]

Better explanation for me and understood

But why does the light flash behind the during this process. Is it dangerous for the car behind

[upper ivy]

yeah, kind of a warning that the car in front will be slower

[true pendant]

Good chance for you to overtake then no?

[edgy anchor]

Welp, ignore me then, sorry

[upper ivy]

usually that's when the driver brakes anyway I think?

[upper ivy]

hey, more detailled explanations aren't bad in general ^^

there is one thing I never understood about the ERS, mainly the MGU-H

and that is, why is it called "H", as in "heat". Ultimatively it's still just a generator at the turboshaft isn't it?

[edgy anchor]

Imagine the MGU-K right... But on the turbo... Which doesn't propel itself

So you keep having to balance keeping it going, and limiting it's boost/speed with the resistance from recharge

[upper ivy]

which is why usually it's only harvesting at high-speed rather than under acceleration when the turbocharger is needed most, right?

[edgy anchor]

Yea

Like you're putting resistance on the shaft that the exhaust gas pushes against

But you don't wanna stall it out

[upper ivy]

but still the "heat" in the name confuses me

I know the exhaust gases spinning the turbo are hot, is that it?

[edgy anchor]

Yes

You're using that hot, higher pressure air to push against the blades

[short swift]

does austria suit ferrari or rb better?

who is better at medium-speed corners

[alpine gale]

What did Mercedes’ change to be so fast today?

[deft burrow]

Their car just works at smoother circuits

[viscid shoal]

There seem to be some talks about roll hoops after Zhou's crash now

could someone explain to me where it is located and what it does?

[short swift]

The roll hoop of a Formula 1 car provides a critical part of the overall safety cell for the driver. Mounted at the top of the chassis, behind the driver's head, the roll hoop must support the weight of the car during a rollover accident and protect the driver's head.

@viscid shoal

[edgy anchor]

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/68QVVGD0/s1000/f1-giorgio-piola-technical-analysis-2016-mercedes-w07-airbox.jpg

This puppy isn't this shape just for aesthetics

[civic fern]

its like barely/circumstantially equal to frontrunner pace on it's good days

probably still weaker on balance and dependent on track

but it's getting there

one upgrade at a time

[short ether]

On the subject of Zhou, if the incident happened on lap 2, when the cars are going down the Hamilton Straight at much higher speeds, is it possible the results could've potentially been worse?

Or would the gravel have slowed down the car enough?

[wintry pollen]

Do drivers have access to tyre temp data on their steering wheel?

[shell moss]

Yes

[sudden scroll]

you didn’t answer the question, did you?

[viscid shoal]

I see, thank you

[willow grotto]

The roll hoop is snapped below the halo level

[deft burrow]

well then good thing the halo was there

[willow grotto]

Agree

[fleet cave]

the halo saved his ass

[vivid garnet]

Where the hell is the roll hoop

And the car is destroyed holy fuck

[deft burrow]

It was taken off

[vivid garnet]

Oh

Oh yeah bc they needed to flop it over

[edgy anchor]

No as in it failed and gave way

[vivid garnet]

Oh

[edgy anchor]

Yeaaa, very arguable that the Halo saved him from some serious damage

[deft burrow]

So I guess the extra 10 Kn required for the roll bar wasn’t good enough for the heavier cars

Maybe they have to bump it up to 80Kn

[edgy anchor]

40,000Mn

[deft burrow]

and fyi

The roll hoop is not supposed to deform or crumple like it did here

that's a textbook failure, and Zhou is extremely lucky the halo took over it's job for him

[graceful sun]

I think being a short driver saved him

Had that been ocon one of the taller drivers it could have been worse

[vestal depot]

F1 should definitely try to bolster the roll hoop structure for the 2026 rules

These cars weigh a few hundred pounds more than awhile ago and therefore can't withstand the weight

[graceful sun]

They can certainly take measures sooner

[west flower]

hey guys I heard when Charles lost his front wing endplate that be lost 5 points of downforce, what does that mean?

[willow grotto]

Totally ripped

[indigo valley]

anyone know how many gs zhous crash was

[green folio]

probably not too many compared to other big crashes

a lot of energy dispersed from the spinning and the flip

Albon's crash most likely had higher g forces

[strong kite]

thinking about zhous crash

and yes the halo does save lives

but what if a spring went into the drivers head like massas incident a few years ago

the halo has a few unprotected parts

and if we look at massas spring incident the spring came from the side

[deft burrow]

the halo's job is to act as a secondary roll structure (and to protect large objects from hitting the driver)

[strong kite]

so how could the halo protect it from other accidents like that?

[strong kite]

but what about small objects?

wouldnt it be necessary?

[deft burrow]

that's why we have helmets

Massa's crash made helmets a lot safer

They are a ton more rigid now, than they were back then

[strong kite]

[deft burrow]

Now I don't quite know the FIA's thinking behind this, but if I recall, when driver cockpit safety devices were being designed, the original purpose was to protect the drivers from stray tyres (as were very common years ago)

[strong kite]

and cars

(monza last year)

[deft burrow]

The halo deflected a piece of Leclerc's endplate from hitting him just two days ago

[strong kite]

it did

but didnt the endplate hit the middle pillar of the halo

[deft burrow]

just off to the side

[strong kite]

that aint that small of a part tho

compared to a spring

[edgy anchor]

That's the idea of the Aeroscreen

[strong kite]

the issue with the aeroscreen is cooling

but safer

the halo is cooler but less safe

[edgy anchor]

Also you can't really run an Aeroscreen with F1's propensity to run overhead intakes

[graceful sun]

The cooling argument is pretty flawed

It wouldn’t be that hard for the teams to add inlets in the nose to the drivers feet or a duct in front of a screen

Not sure on the overhead intakes

Would be inclined to think the teams would use the sidepods more and increase the height of the intake to get cleaner air

[sudden scroll]

we've had them since 1989 without discontinuity. it's probably possible to get rid of them, but obviously you have to redesign everything and wonder if the PU would be satisfied without the airboxes

[graceful sun]

Consider that teams like Ferrari have a very small intake I don’t see why it has to be removed or isn’t possible for the teams to achieve

A roll hoop has to exist there anyway for the safety triangle so who says a intake has to exist there

[short swift]

anybody got an article on what the new floor should be, stifness or something?

[median folio]

What led to the downfall of BRM considering they were a Works Team I'm surprised of how bitter it was its demise

[plush panther]

Why don’t they just put a durable clear plastic piece to fit over the halo, like the aero screen? I know it would be ugly but it would save drivers from small debris, while the halo protects from large debris/ cars and a secondary roll hoop like Zhou, and then obviously the roll hoop itself? I’d imagine the car would be very safe that way

[merry delta]

cooling and politics

that sort of solution is found in Indycar, but F1 hasn't adopted it as well

[upper ivy]

What politics

[edgy anchor]

Brave to say the Aeroscreen is more ugly

[lost ice]

Heritage of the series

[graceful sun]

These the same people who were against the halo because it wasn’t in f1 dna or something

[upper ivy]

well IMO as far as open/closed cockpit is concerned it doesn't make a big difference whether the Halo has a screen or not

[short ether]

Agree

[edgy anchor]

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/6AEJpME6/s6/indycar-gateway-2021-alex-palo-2.jpg

Aeroscreens are fire aesthetically by comparison

[plush panther]

I feel like they wouldn’t fit well on an F1 car though

The indy car noses have a slope all the way up

Most f1 noses have a “deck”

[sudden scroll]

not this year though 😄

[plush panther]

Oh god

[merry delta]

the halo was one of the competing solutions for safety

so I assume that the same thing would happen with an aeroscreen and people/teams would object for reasons

[upper ivy]

well yeah but ultimatively it was the only thing passing the crashtests

[merry delta]

true

[civic fern]

Red Bull came up with an aeroscreen

Mercedes with the halo

And Ferrari came up with whatever this was supposed to be

[deft burrow]

That’s a windshield

[civic fern]

An effective one at making Sebastian Vettel dizzy

[short ether]

How in God's name is that even a safety feature

[silent monolith]

If anything this is a liability lmfao

[median folio]

The Mercedes looks so normal with the Halo lol

[median folio]

what kind of penalty can a driver get if they crash into the Safety/Medical Car?

[iron gazelle]

Michal Masi: “so you have chosen death”

[sudden scroll]

@iron gazelle no memes here.

[normal tangle]

I LOVE the new alo

[sudden scroll]

the new alo?

[feral vessel]

they meant Halo, missed the h.

[normal tangle]

Yes

[grave fiber]

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1545320643981369346?s=20&t=_fPKuhB2EEG-ebnOcADoGA

Craig Scarborough (@ScarbsTech)

I noticed this feature on the Alfa Romeo at Silverstone. A tiny downwash flap above the exhaust. Return of the monkey seat (monkey slide?).
#F1 #AustrianGP

Twitter · Jul 8, 2022, 8:15 AM

[soft junco]

hm

what would you think if f1 brought back in-game fueling

nvm

[graceful sun]

Does anyone have the fia document for new parts brought by the team

[short ether]

What is the actual technical rules on the planks. Is the 2 plank idea a loophole or just flat out banned?
Any why so many directives, when they’re not even binding or don’t even make a difference?

[short ether]

This is upgrades.

[graceful sun]

Thanks

[short ether]

I’m not sure about engine/gearbox stuff

[graceful sun]

What number is that document in the fia site

[short ether]

It’s not from the FIA site, idk where tbh. I found from Twitter

[graceful sun]

Ah would be nice to find the source so I don’t have to ask others

[bronze sentinel]

The FIA has agreed to push back the implementation of its technical directive relating to porpoising until the Belgian Grand Prix, to allow teams more time to make the necessary updates. (Originally was set to come into force at the next race in France).

• Chris Medland.

[strong kite]

i can prove that the net zero campaign is bullshit

[edgy anchor]

Whay do you mean?

[edgy anchor]

https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-close-to-dyno-run-for-single-cylinder-2026-f1-engine/

[fringe hull]

Merc 2014 moment?

[little veldt]

single cylinder wtf

ah right a prototpe

i thought it was an actual single cylinder lmao

[harsh hill]

why are the Alpines only good at certain tracks?

[calm burrow]

it's there engine and aero package

[civic fern]

Watch they’re gonna be begging for Mercedes to come back after Max wins 73949278342 titles

[edgy anchor]

Muh 160hp single cylinder

[tight tusk]

imo it suits good with Indy cars, but not F1

[edgy anchor]

Maybe so but that depends on how it's designed to accommodate it, right?

[cursive wraith]

Yes

I mean the halo looked shit too but now I just can’t think of a car without it and looks good

[short ether]

Guys do you think F1 could bring back the V8s with zero carbon fuel?

[graceful sun]

Probably not

[edgy anchor]

They definitely could

And it wouldn't be hard really

But I doubt they would

[short ether]

F

Can someone please explain how the throttle pedal input mechanism works + what was Charles’ issue in some more detail?

[short ether]

Twitter. @hard quailfabrega. I don’t know where he got them from

[graceful dew]

Albert is real good

[grave fiber]

pinged some random guy

[sage walrus]

we are more or less always going to see at least the MGU-K and some form of a turbocharger on F1 engines going fowards

at current fuel tank sizes and power outputs V8 engines can't make it to race distance

nobody in F1 also really wants refueling back

[short ether]

I hope they just do no regs like in the 90s

But then everyone would probably still use a v6

[prisma jasper]

i am too dumb to speak in this chat 😭

[median folio]

What happens if your engine shuts down in main straight before you cross the line but you still manage to take the checkered flag? You get the win anyways?

[grave fiber]

you crossed the line

yeah i guess?

[sudden scroll]

yes

[civic fern]

Yes

Even DNFs are classified based on order of race distance completed

If you crossed the finish line, you completed all of it

[graceful sun]

Lewis was driving on 3 wheels in Silverstone few years ago

[civic fern]

And then awarded points based on position i.e. 1st lol

[median folio]

But that was a puncture, not terminal damage like broken suspension

[graceful sun]

Doesn’t matter

As long as they cross the line and have the required fuel left

[fallen tulip]

as long as you get over the line faster than they can get a black-orange then black flag out you're good

[final dust]

That's what "Did Not Finish" means. If you cross the line, you finish the race

[median folio]

90% of the race at the bare minimum

[vestal depot]

I find that a silly rule, if you didn't finish you didn't finish, should be that simple

[median folio]

But what if for example you DNF in the final lap and the driver behind you is 2 laps down? That's why the 90% rule is there

[vestal depot]

But you can still keep the position while putting DNF on the box score

[median folio]

And what if he's P4 for example, in the points

[vestal depot]

Then he gets 12 pts in F1s case, whether it's a DNF or not

[magic blaze]

hey guys, i made a website to compare quali lap times, like in this message, do u want me make it public ?

[final dust]

I know its not f1 technical, but can you tell me how you can host a website by yourself?

In dms or something

[magic blaze]

by buying a domain name like something.net then buying a vps (virtual private server) to host the website backend and then link it to the domain name with cloudflare

or u can host it locally on your computer

but only u can acces to it

[silent harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQUi9kwemDY

[short ether]

Why did the engines slow down after 2016

[civic fern]

hmmm?

they've only gotten better

except maybe this year if switching to E10 meant a small power decrease since originally they ran different fuel

but if you're talking about top speed, its cuz the cars have more drag

got wider and more downforce with it tho

[short ether]

Does anyone know like anything I could do in highschool to prepare to be an F1 engineer other than just getting good grades to get into a good uni

I've been researching and thinking but I genuinely can't think of anything I can be doing before college to prepare other than just learning about how cars work in depth

[rose hound]

Probably just do engineering programs and show interest

[slow pollen]

Ive seen this thing where they do F1 in schools I assume you dont live in a country that has that but maybe do some research into that

[short ether]

Maybe

But I live in America so I now over here we don't have any F1 programs but im thinking about just researching on my own with textbooks

Until college

[proud pumice]

It depends on how they designed their car and set it up, some of the cars will be more suited to "twistier tracks" because of the downforce, and the overall balance they generate in the corners, whereas other teams would have designed cars that are suited for tracks where they can exploit their low drag potential

Red bull for example was a fantastic car when it came how sticky the car was to the track but lacked a little bit on straights

[short ether]

During 2016 Valterri hit 378kph top speed around Baku and Hulkenberg hit 370 at Mexico.

We’re nowhere near that in the last few years.

[proud pumice]

360 Monza ?

[short ether]

Have a social presence perhaps, learn a lot of knowledge online and develop a greater understanding of the sport.

A large portion of aero performance gains probably originate from greats such as Newey etc because they understand the sport and regulations better than anyone.

[short ether]

What year?

The Merc 2016 engine is definitely the most powerful engine of all time.

If you disregard the 80s turbos.

Idk what they changed in engine rules from 2016-2017.

[sudden scroll]

the engines are not slower, the aero is just different. cars then had less downforce and less drag, which helps for a higher top speed.

[proud pumice]

2019 ? can't really remember

[proud pumice]

Oil ?

Because oil was used for some teams for combustion

Means

But was reduced after the FIA found it sus

Among other factors

[sudden scroll]

what they changed was the aero load, and the tyres width.
look at what a 2016 and 2017 car look like, it’s quite obvious 🙂

[short ether]

I heard somewhere that the initial combustion in f1 engines isn’t within the cylinder.

Or the initial spark or something

.

[sudden scroll]

are you looking for a pre combustion chamber?

[proud pumice]

Wait ?

Why ?

[civic fern]

Yeah because the cars literally got wider

Top speed is dependent on drag and less on engine power

Cd = Fd / [(0.5)(density)(velocity squared)(Area)]

The area straight up got bigger for the same velocity and density, the drag force has to increase because Cd is mostly constant

Obviously its more complicated than that if you pick at it hard enough, but the base point is that the widened area had the greatest effect in the drag formula, causing drag force to increase and top speed to decrease

[edgy anchor]

The initial spark is used in a Pre-Ignition chamber, so the fuel is injected out of it like a traditional injector until the spark hits and that last amount is essentially spraying out fire

[short ether]

Cool

[short ether]

Btw

How does the 2019 Honda have that unique gurgling noise on the off throttle

Is it something to do with the wastegate?

[wispy hearth]

some basic telemetry software ? Not advanced and paid like McLaren's Atlas which all teams use

[viral trellis]

cars were way lower drag if i believe

[amber kraken]

So providing if the V6 Turbos could rev up to higher RPMs that would mean that there would be a lot more stress and wear to the Power Units/Engines and their components right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwfJWj6FnVU

[silent harness]

by youtuber Chain Bear, video name: How F1 Cars use Energy

[short ether]

Yes

[harsh hill]

thx a lot

[proud pumice]

Np

[short ether]

What’s the difference between a skid block and the plank.

And why does it say that the skid block is titanium when it is a wooden piece

[proud pumice]

Skid block

[proud pumice]

Is what creates the sparks ?

[proud pumice]

And the plank

Is the underbody of the car

[short ether]

Show me the titanium

[proud pumice]

Does it say so in the regs ?

[short ether]

Yes

[proud pumice]

Uhmmmm....can you send me a copy and the article pls

Because ....if you say right...the regs are just

[proud pumice]

Yes

It's embedded in it

The reason of the sparks perhaps

[short ether]

It’s just a wooden piece

[proud pumice]

??

[short ether]

I thought the skid block is the whole thing but if it’s that then fair enough

[proud pumice]

Well the skid block

Is this "wooden plank" with these titanium bits

[edgy anchor]

The skid plank is no longer only wood

[short ether]

@edgy anchor is this annotation accurate?

[edgy anchor]

Those small points I'd assume are, but I also believed that those could be ballast points, tho now I say that... Sounds dangerous

[granite tundra]

that's an old car

titanium in the plate is a 2014-2015 introduction

skid plate sits at the front of the plank

[short ether]

Can you point out the titanium?

[proud pumice]

Maybe not, but I "assume yes"

[blissful yarrow]

What adds more speed, Drs or ers

[mellow sedge]

im no F1 professional, so take this with a grain of salt, but i assume DRS since it decreases drag

[mellow sedge]

this could also help you @blissful yarrow

[proud pumice]

Drs, on the straights

[blissful yarrow]

Oh thanks

[short ether]

Ers

[blissful yarrow]

What

[lofty dirge]

Does anyone know what these rods do for the 2022 cars other than seemingly connecting the floor to the side pods?

[graceful sun]

They just support the floor so it doesn’t bend as much at high speeds when loads are higher

[short ether]

What was the thing with Merc at Canada having 2 floor stays, but then removing it due to fear of protest.

Is a single floor stay an exception made by the FIA?

Also internal floor stays

[graceful sun]

Fia allowed 2 stays then didn’t allow it after a week

Merc in anticipation of the 2 stay being legal made adjustments to their floor to accommodate it but turned out their new floor was terrible

[viral trellis]

But isn't RB and Ferrari the one who need to change their floor?

[graceful sun]

No thats a difference fia technical change

[short ether]

What’s the ‘fear of protest’ part then?

[short ether]

Ok

So it would only be legal for a week

[graceful sun]

Rb and Ferrari said that they believe merc got insider info from fia about 2 stays being allowed

[viral trellis]

Oh ok thanks.

[short ether]

Oh

[zinc bison]

Does anyone know the angle of incline or radillion and ea rouge?

[silk cedar]

I have a gut feeling RB is getting 1st place

[tacit totem]

Yo what if you used pure mayonnaise as fuel my estimation is 600 kph

[clear vine]

I was scrolling through lewis hams onboard for the q3 session the 2018 spa gp and stumbled upon this weird radio message, what is it and why does this happen?