was gaslys fire due to it as well? Yuki was the only one to survive
#f1-technical
vernal elk
graceful sun
It was banned after merc were dominating too much in 2020 and Karen Horner started complaining
vernal elk
Yeah I remember that but just didn't know if the new regs allowed it
vernal elk
breaks? I thought it was a PU fire
astral rock
Brb
astral rock
breaks? I thought it was a PU fire
Yes
snow jolt
But the engine would still spin, just without the boom
snow jolt
There was a boom?
Oh lmao no, i just forgot how is the power cycle part called
Yk, when the fuel ignites
astral rock
Yeah can feel that
astral rock
Pierre?
true pendant
Yes
snow jolt
Sad
I hope all teams figure out the biggest issues before the next race
Im scared if merc is only slow because of new fuel
snow jolt
Looks like the RBPT has problems
You mean RBnPT
Red Bull noPower Trains
yes, imma say that, as a max and RB fan
true pendant
What's this e10 fuel is it petrol
wanton bronze
it's got 10% of ethanol
deft burrow
Im scared if merc is only slow because of new fuel
they were matching Ferrari on speed
viscid shoal
You mean RBnPT
RnB🎵
edgy anchor
What's this e10 fuel is it petrol
Fuel percentage has gone from a weirdly arbitrary 5.75% Ethanol content to a 10% bio-Ethanol content, the rest being whatever blend of stuff we consider the best Petrol now
It seemed to help with reducing the smoke too
sudden scroll
many fuel pumps for everybody's cars have E10 nowdays
edgy anchor
I'd love to have just all bios
Just some fruity mix
And take the cap off the Octane bottleneck
102 for renewables isn't enough
modest reef
is this real timing? or only after the session is over?
spark harness
Which era of F1 had the most powerful engines? Like in terms of pure top speed?
civic fern
Which era of F1 had the most powerful engines? Like in terms of pure top speed?
well top speed is more limited by aero drag over anything else
Valtteri Bottas reached 378km/h on Baku City Circuit's main straight in qualifying for the 2016 European Grand Prix. The record for the fastest speed achieved in a speed trap during a race is also held by Bottas, who was travelling at 372.5km/h during the 2016 Mexican Grand Prix.
but that is the record for straight up top speed
basically the most powerful engine that year (Merc) in a car built for straightline speed (Williams)
jagged horizon
But the engine would still spin, just without the boom
the engine braking on these motors are good enough to lock the wheels up
edgy anchor
Which era of F1 had the most powerful engines? Like in terms of pure top speed?
The most powerful engines were 1986 for Forced Induction, and 2003-5 for Natural Aspiration, which BMW topped both at a theorised 1,350-1,400bhp turbo quali i4, and a 950-980bhp N/A V10
Top speed unfortunately is all over the place
Currently f1 cars have like 1,050bhp overall, yet their weight makes them not nearly as quick
odd quarry
the engine braking on these motors are good enough to lock the wheels up
Yes I have been noticing a lot more lock ups
civic fern
thats more down to drivers getting used to the new wheels and tires
odd quarry
Yes true
opal flicker
Sup guys i hage a question
After the 1st race do you think the new regulation changes have made wheel to wheel racing more prominent?
Are the cars now racing closer and overtaking is easier?
opal flicker
Can you record wing view of any other driver?
Just to compare
Fuz i think its just air flow doing things
vale thunder
I think these wings all r bit of flexy
opal flicker
Plus i dont think there is any mechanism to turn the wing like that
vale thunder
The weaker the support structure the more flex
vale thunder
Sup guys i hage a question
After the 1st race do you think the new regulation ch...
I think they follow a bit closer then last year
And dirty air is still there
snow jolt
the engine braking on these motors are good enough to lock the wheels up
Gah dayum
jagged horizon
Yes I have been noticing a lot more lock ups
It wouldn't have much to do with the fronts locking up. They have more engine braking force than a normal road car has actual braking force. Would have just locked Perez's rears when fuel supply ran out at low speed in turn q
*1
rich gust
@deft sablenz
Wtf the ping didn’t work
@runic radish
Basically Merc can’t do shit to the combustion engine rn just the electrical side of the pu
runic radish
Ah I see, they have full access to hybrid tech and electrical
runic radish
Basically Merc can’t do shit to the combustion engine rn just the electrical sid...
Yea, but they also have access to their aero, it won't be a drastic chamge but small improvements
astral rock
floral bramble
Why am I only now knowing about this?
https://twitter.com/F1/status/890583965018587136?t=efkvmfryBOhS-irkdVMKWQ&s=19
spice eagle
Why am I only now knowing about this?
https://twitter.com/F1/status/890583965018...
2017 mate
floral bramble
Yeah ik, but no one has rly talked about it I think
arctic hinge
There's also a footage of RedBull doing the same I was wondering if someone catched that clip
arctic hinge
I think Mercedes Engine ain't turned up due to reliability issues I think they prefer to have a engine that goes from start to end turned down than a engine turned up that barely can do 50 laps
calm burrow
I think Mercedes Engine ain't turned up due to reliability issues I think they p...
maybe
if that's true then we are dead when the fix reliability
deft burrow
is that normal or allowed?
It’s allowed
snow jolt
Red bull confirmed, they ran out of fuel
deft burrow
Just seems so odd for them
Checo lost power instantly, Max had gradual power loss, and Gasly had an electronic failure
arctic hinge
if that's true then we are dead when the fix reliability
And the drag issue. When they get that two things fixed. Oh boy
tall wyvern
is this real timing? or only after the session is over?
After the session the telemetry gets uploaded
odd quarry
It wouldn't have much to do with the fronts locking up. They have more engine br...
Yes
nocturne dock
Red bull confirmed, they ran out of fuel
how the hell they run out of fuel
deft burrow
compared to last year, VER changes gear roughly the same time and revs slightly higher, HAM changes gear earlier and revs lower. I think this points to the mercedes engine being run conservatively for reliability concerns. speculative.
Interesting piece to look at.
snow jolt
Interesting
deft burrow
If this is true, then it would explain why the customer teams are so far behind, obviously higher modes would allow them to be closer, but those teams would still have to throw upgrades on like their lives depend on it
short ether
I’m here
short ether
compared to last year, VER changes gear roughly the same time and revs slightly ...
Oh ok
🗿 don’t mind what I said then
Red Bull has those issues as well, but they decided to take those risks
arctic hinge
If this is true, then it would explain why the customer teams are so far behind,...
This information only shows that the best PU is the Ferrari, also Mercedes is trying to figure out what is going on so they could update the rest asap
tall wyvern
It’s data for Bahrain quali so you’d expect it to be full push. aka the opposite of conservative driving.
dim bronze
Red bull confirmed, they ran out of fuel
they didn't
what happened appears to be a Fuel Pump failure
which isn't a loss of fuel, its rather a low fuel running issue
since the E10 fuel runs at a different operating temp to last years fuel
teams doing low fuel runs learnt that their fuel pumps weren't circulating appropriately at those levels
so they were able to fix their fuel pump, RB on the otherhand never went for low fuel running nor did a full race distance test
so these issues could've only appeared at the first full race distance, and at the first instance where they got to low fuel running
both of which happened at the bahrain gp
it's also why Max knew there was an issue, GP knew it wasn't electrical but neither could figure it out on the fly
the Engine simply wasn't being fed enough, which'll see a fix done for reliability to ensure they don't just stop on track like Perez did
but it'll be interesting to see if RB request a look into Yuki's PU since his was the only one that lasted the entire race distance
calm burrow
but it'll be interesting to see if RB request a look into Yuki's PU since his wa...
alphatauri did race distance test i think ?
dim bronze
alphatauri did race distance test i think ?
race distance test, but with what fuel load for it
since the testing sessions aren't weighed n FIA approved with everything
no one knows how overweight or underweight teams were then other than speculation and some bits here and there
calm burrow
i like how here it's so civilised compared to the bahraingp chat
nocturne dock
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dim bronze
Why would less wing cause more tyre deg?
less sealing around it
forces tyre to work harder to keep the grip level
whereas ferrari can push the engine harder with higher downforce to alleviate the issues of tyre deg
tall wyvern
No, it’s because you need more slip angle at lower normal load aka lower downforce
dim bronze
slip angle doesn't relate to downforce
slip angle is about the slippage of the wheel through its turn with regard to contact patch on the ground, that's grip
it's why you can still say that you run high downforce, but still can lose out on grip
tall wyvern
Yes and if you have less normal loading you need more slip to achieve the same lateral force
aka more energy in the tyre aka more degradation
snow jolt
they didn't
Yh figured, bad source moment
edgy anchor
which isn't a loss of fuel, its rather a low fuel running issue
Who's this from? The news I know is that the fuel pump isn't responsible
dim bronze
Who's this from? The news I know is that the fuel pump isn't responsible
literally ted kravitz, f1 website, autosport
edgy anchor
O
Odd, so what about Gasly?
I assumed it was the E10 getting through the injection pump due to being grounded somehow and eating through until it spat out
Those seemed like Fuel flames with less smoke and green hues
Twitter
Is this wrong tuen?
The article they're quoting seems to be more a speculation but the tweet is very definite
dim bronze
we won't really know until redbull officially says anything or till next race to see if it's fixed
edgy anchor
Twitter
Red Bull and FIA confirm it isn't failure of "standard component" fuel puuuuhmp
But it still would very much be part of the fuel delivery somewhere
That's not hydraulics
fringe hull
Maybe RB tried to turn the engine up and it caused the problems?
short ether
I heard it was the fuel pump but it might be misinformation
short ether
Maybe RB tried to turn the engine up and it caused the problems?
Could be
dim bronze
But it still would very much be part of the fuel delivery somewhere
leaves the fuel rail, tank, could even be a fuel pipe issue
it's rare and uncommon for fuel lines to cripple due to a new fuel but, add a new fuel, at completely new operating temps in a never simulated environment, could cause issues
jade moss
Still think it's battery related which caused a failure elsewhere. Likely the voltage drop caused the fuel pump to slow and lean out the engine, causing it to overheat and cause the injectors to crap out. Probably starved the engine of fuel.
edgy anchor
it's rare and uncommon for fuel lines to cripple due to a new fuel but, add a ne...
New fuel, a suspect wire ground
Heats up the rail, oxide layer goes, alcohol starts eating
languid fractal
Can anyone explain how the wings look for different df look this year
short ether
Can anyone explain how the wings look for different df look this year
better aerodynamics
cleaner air
here's the video to sum it up
languid fractal
better aerodynamics
Not that, I mean like how do I tell the difference between different df configuration for this year's wings
balmy heath
guys i have a question
through out the quali lap the ferrari engine ran always 0.5K RPM less than the merc
is that why they have way better traction?
and stability
cursive wraith
Might have to do with the gear ratios
cursive wraith
Also I've heard people talking about how Ferrari has mastered low end torque and their battery deployment out of corners
balmy heath
balmy heath
Also I've heard people talking about how Ferrari has mastered low end torque and...
^ true
deft burrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0-wXT12wgw
The amount of clickbait from this guy is appalling
keen jungle
edgy anchor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0-wXT12wgw
Driver61
deft burrow
He can make great content, for driving and racing, but becomes a complete idiot when its anything involving engineering. anyways, it's just regurgitating info that was already explained on F1's site a couple years ago
An interesting view on the situation
random edge
An interesting view on the situation
cars porpoising at eau rouge and raidillon
languid fractal
An interesting view on the situation
That's interesting indeed, it brings up many questions tho
Aston Martin says they losing about 7 tenths through it
deft burrow
Aston Martin jacked up the ride height to combat it, however their concept is insanely draggy, according to AMuS
languid fractal
Aston Martin jacked up the ride height to combat it, however their concept is in...
I see
deft burrow
It's a common theme with the Merc customer teams
too little downforce and too much drag
languid fractal
That's interesting
Do you thing it's got something to do with the engine?
Maybe the packaging is affecting everything
dim bronze
Heats up the rail, oxide layer goes, alcohol starts eating
Scarbs seems to even agree its a fuel pump issue
deft burrow
Do you thing it's got something to do with the engine?
Mercedes don't seem to have nearly as much an issue with drag as their customer teams do, so I dunno
civic fern
i still think its the customer teams collectively flopping their cars
and the Merc engine being shared is a coincidence rather than causation
languid fractal
Mercedes don't seem to have nearly as much an issue with drag as their customer ...
Well maybe the packaging?, the merc know their own engine while the other teams may have failed to work the aero around that engine package
languid fractal
i still think its the customer teams collectively flopping their cars
That could be it
Well personally id expect Williams and Aston to flop
McLaren are the ones that have shocked me the most
civic fern
like look at Mercedes themselves. they're still in a decent spot between the front but clearly ahead of the rest. if Merc started finishing P9-10 with their best efforts and getting 2017 Alonso'd down the straights then it would be time to look at the engine
deft burrow
I can't think of packaging being much of an issue, the customer teams build their chassis around how the engine sits and where all the cooling goes, just looks like a fuck up on car design. Aston Martin have collectively screwed themselves over with their concept, and already sounds like they're ready to jump ship whenever they get the chance to "copy" some other teams concept. McLaren, I haven't read too much on their car, just know that from AMuS it has a ton of drag, and the Williams just has 0 downforce like usual
languid fractal
I can't think of packaging being much of an issue, the customer teams build thei...
Well that's a fair point, someone just raised this point so I'm kinda asking if that could be a variable reason
civic fern
I can't think of packaging being much of an issue, the customer teams build thei...
what is AMuS?
nocturne dock
goated source
ripe linden
man i love this channel
learn so much stuff i wouldnt even know where to look to find
fringe hull
How porpoising isn't limitng performnce?
tyres got worse life, that's enough of a problem I think
short ether
i’m guessing mercedes’ will bring some upgrades to jeddah?
fringe hull
They want to fix it by Imola
So maybe minor changes but doubt it will be something big in Jeddah
fallen tulip
there will most likely be upgrades across the grid, but that's only due to the predicted fast development pace and all the stuff in every team's development pipelines with certainly some teams that were struggling wanting to reduce their problems asap
civic fern
i’m guessing mercedes’ will bring some upgrades to jeddah?
In the form of red flags and cars getting eliminated, so Lewis and George can land another podium
junior tulip
i’m guessing mercedes’ will bring some upgrades to jeddah?
For sure they will test some out in practice but like in Bahrain if it doesnt help it wont be used.
dim bronze
there will most likely be upgrades across the grid, but that's only due to the p...
however it's been a week turnaround, and for a lot of teams even though they're well prepared in travelling week to week, with these new cars things could be thrown in the works to prevent any upgrade packages till albert park
finite raptor
GF was asking to what extent can the teams change the cars throughout a season?
I thought they were only allowed to make 1 big change, but they’re all talking about merc tweeking the car till it’s competing?
deft burrow
As far as I know, the only limit to the amount of updates you can bring to the car, is the amount your budget will allow you to
dim bronze
GF was asking to what extent can the teams change the cars throughout a season?
...
Merc is saying they'll tweak their current package till they're happy to bring the first upgrade package
finite raptor
So it's just semantics, can do as many changes as you like, then when you're happy you call it a package? ahah
spice eagle
Anyone knows why they do this?
hmmm usually the lights behind are to signal ur slowing down but idk
zinc smelt
hmmm usually the lights behind are to signal ur slowing down but idk
ye ik. also when you watched the race, sometimes the left light stayed on longer, idk but i really like those LED animations
spice eagle
ye ik. also when you watched the race, sometimes the left light stayed on longer...
yeah they're really noice
upper ivy
hmmm usually the lights behind are to signal ur slowing down but idk
Dont they show that the MGUs are harvesting?
spice eagle
Dont they show that the MGUs are harvesting?
hmmm maybe
zinc smelt
Dont they show that the MGUs are harvesting?
you mean like the whole time?
paper wingBOT
Congrats @zinc smelt, you're now on lap 10
deft burrow
Dont they show that the MGUs are harvesting?
Usually
dim bronze
So it's just semantics, can do as many changes as you like, then when you're hap...
Not entirely, package usually refers to a large set of upgrades (you'll hear people say "new aero package", this is one of those drastic changes)
Tweaks are the minor changes to what is currently on the car, changing wing angle, tuning, ride height, engine mode etc
finite raptor
Not entirely, package usually refers to a large set of upgrades (you'll hear peo...
Makes sense, thanks!
And how many upgrade packages are you allowed to do?
spare stump
Is that even legal?
(I am very new to F1)
zinc smelt
Is that even legal?
(I am very new to F1)
Looks like it, it also was in a practice session
dim bronze
And how many upgrade packages are you allowed to do?
as many as your budget allows for with the budget cap this year, expect some variety in regard to when upgrades come out and how drastic they are
dapper trench
I find the budget cap to be quiet bad
Ngl
The top 3 teams still remain on top even with the budget cap
It hasn’t done anything at all
paper wingBOT
Congrats @dapper trench, you're now on lap 10
dapper trench
It’s so annoying man
All what’s it’s gonna do is stop teams from finding solutions
deft burrow
They still have an R&D advantage from prior to the budget cap lol. It'll take a few years to iron out
dapper trench
But this performance bullshit is nonsense imo
deft burrow
You should know that changes don't usually take immediate effect
The budget cap is the reason why McLaren and Aston Martin were gonna aim for the top by 2024/2025, because by then, the top 3 won't have their advantage anymore
dapper trench
The budget cap is the reason why McLaren and Aston Martin were gonna aim for the...
Yea but it needs to be lower
deft burrow
It is getting lower..
dapper trench
Like 100 million
135 is too much
Not even Alfa or haas are that budget currently
deft burrow
Sauber is running at the budget cap.
and asides which, Haas has a much lower budget than alot of these guys, and are also performing much better than them
You need to obviously keep some overhead, otherwise the teams are gonna start laying off employees, which is bad.
dapper trench
Fair
edgy anchor
Dont they show that the MGUs are harvesting?
Yes, so... They'd slow down
viscid imp
How does the light on top of F1 cars works ?
edgy anchor
The light on top?
mighty owl
short ether
That's a camera isn't it?
fringe hull
Yep
potent isle
Is that even legal?
(I am very new to F1)
it is to blind the people behind 100% real reasoning
deft burrow
That's a camera isn't it?
There is an LED under the camera
which iirc signifies car status
Red means: The car is not safe to touch
Yellow means: The car is discharging live electricity
Green means: Safe to touch
0 clue what the purple color means though
only saw it on when the cars were in the pits
@viscid imp
civic fern
the whole point of the 2022 cars was to improve on track passing since its been pretty bad in dirty air era right?
so i was thinking >how did it happen in Schumacher era with no DRS or ERS
looked it up, consensus seems to be it didn't.
is that actually true? races were won on refuelling and tire strategy and on track overtaking was shit?
edgy anchor
They were complaining about overtaking performance and dirty air in 2000
It's never been a strong point for F1
edgy anchor
The common stipulation now is that F1 races were won and lost by being ferrari or managing fuel best
But I adored the longer stops and their intensity as usually I remember seeing cars coming out at the same time as someone following
And also refuelling strategy, surely that should be celebrated rather than scorned?
upper ivy
ig dirty air was ok in like 91
last week someone posted a video from the 70s on reddit were the commentators were talking about dirty air lmao
it just got worse and worse as aero got more and more sophisticated
dim bronze
and asides which, Haas has a much lower budget than alot of these guys, and are ...
in all fairness, they also got boosted Ferrari support in terms of staff and backing, explaining why Mazepins money wasn't necessary to keep running this year
dense shadow
in all fairness, they also got boosted Ferrari support in terms of staff and bac...
lol mazepin dropped out like a week before season start
paper wingBOT
Congrats @dense shadow, you're now on lap 5
dense shadow
the car was completely developed on his dad's payment
dim bronze
the car was completely developed on his dad's payment
Teams have more costs than just car development, you know that right?
dense shadow
Teams have more costs than just car development, you know that right?
nah I don't
dim bronze
Catering, Pay, services, rent, housing employees, travel, design, manufacture, maintenance, thousands more
dense shadow
yes, guess what uralkali sponsored? haas, not the car, the team
dim bronze
Yeah they did, as additional support to ensure Nikita had a seat to race in within F1, they definitely had some of their money go towards the car development sure, but HAAS was in a much worse position regarding overall financial issues
It's the reason they went to Rich Energy, and picked up as many sponsors as they could, they seem a lot more stable now with general sponsorship and have stated that money Uralkali brought in now wouldn't change their overheads. 1&1, Sonos, HAAS CNC all seem to be in a better position now with funding the team
additionally the new Ferrari engineers that got brought over due to the budget cap means that HAAS is no longer struggling to bring onboard talented engineers and designers, they now have them in house in marinello
dense shadow
wonder how their financials will go now, if they place well consistently hopefully they can get a decent title sponsor
I'm sure UA brings in a decent amount, but that's only on Mick's car for now
vestal depot
Yeah they did, as additional support to ensure Nikita had a seat to race in with...
Definitely, with the budget cap your seeing a ton of employee redistribution to the back end of the grid as teams like Ferrari and Mercedes can't have a nearly 1000 strong workforce anymore
distant hollow
guys i am a high school student and have an interest in both software and cars...i am equally passionate about both of these but kinda have made progress in software more than automobile...i have had a continuing interest in cars since a long time now but off late it seems to outweigh my interests in software...
so cordin to yall what should i take in college? software or automobile? a penny for your thoughts
solemn sand
plush panther
How do they even know where everything is…
spice eagle
which team's?
spice eagle
How do they even know where everything is…
a lot of training
solemn sand
which team's?
ferrari
deft burrow
How do they even know where everything is…
cause yknow, they built it and all
https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1506978152291225603?t=dWqXCtXmAHou7DiVSpTj1w&s=19 LC isn't a great source, but I mean, it gives me fuckin hope
Twitter
spice eagle
https://twitter.com/LappedCars/status/1506978152291225603?t=dWqXCtXmAHou7DiVSpTj...
CARL JUST MAKE IT A 
MAN
deft burrow
"Allison admitted that, after the first upgrade package was introduced, they were rather taken aback by the large amount of wobble the car produced. A phenomenon that Mercedes have begun to keep under control but at the expense of performance. In Brackley they know that a real race against time is underway. Improvements are expected in the coming weeks that have only one goal: to cancel the rebound to let performance run wild.
Allison believes that the "zero belly" project is valid and that there will be an opportunity to return, with the necessary corrections, to the front of the grid. So the W13 is not to be thrown away, nor is a return to the aerodynamic configuration seen in Barcelona contemplated. "
this is all I care about from that article
Mercedes coming back on top boys
"Some interesting indications will arrive as early as tomorrow, when the first free practice sessions of the Saudi Arabian GP will start. The Jeddah track is characterized by a flatter asphalt. Which could favor a general lowering of the car. "
solemn sand
"Allison admitted that, after the first upgrade package was introduced, they wer...
i don't think they can even return to the barcelona spec at this point
short ether
guys i am a high school student and have an interest in both software and cars.....
software development is far easier to learn by yourself than aerospace engineering
deft burrow
This race it looks like
civic fern
software development is far easier to learn by yourself than aerospace engineeri...
Meh
I major in aero and software anything is highkey the worst part
And i say that after spending the last 6 hours straight doing fluid dynamics
tall wyvern
Software is way easier to find the info yourself and troubleshoot your own problems. The mechanical, fluid and heat parts you do have to be taught. And control and electronics are just shit.
dim bronze
guys i am a high school student and have an interest in both software and cars.....
absolutely yes, I'm an engineering student in Uni studying Software Engineering but have had a passion for automotive tech for forever, definitely keep it around and look they will interchange at certain points in time
slender wagon
guys i am a high school student and have an interest in both software and cars.....
I'd take software engineering and join your uni's Formula Student team -- if you're in EU, very likely you'd have an electric or a driverless in the making (if not already) team.
software pays really well and there's an abundance of jobs. if you take motorsport engineering or even automotive, you're narrowed down your field -- not a bad thing but you can't get a software job with an automotive engineering degree but you can get a job in the automotive field with a software degree.
slender wagon
Software is way easier to find the info yourself and troubleshoot your own probl...
what do you mean control and electronics are just shit 😂
tall wyvern
Control engineering makes zero sense
solemn sand
hm, i wanna know how much faster the rb18 and f1-75 would be compared to the bog standard car with the show aero and a renault engine
slender wagon
Control engineering makes zero sense
i love it mate hahah.
and electronics, this is my happy place. 😂
tall wyvern
Meh control is too conceptual
tall wyvern
Not after degree and I never will
slender wagon
that's why.
XD
but that's also me. although uni doesn't really do the field justice.
distant hollow
I'd take software engineering and join your uni's Formula Student team -- if yo...
Thank you so much mate...I'll take steps according to your suggestion..thanks so much for chipping in
slender wagon
Thank you so much mate...I'll take steps according to your suggestion..thanks so...
where are you located? if you get into the top Formula Student teams your career is set. imo.
distant hollow
absolutely yes, I'm an engineering student in Uni studying Software Engineering ...
Thanks so much mate ...your take is appreciated...
distant hollow
where are you located? if you get into the top Formula Student teams your career...
I am in North America ...Canada to be specific
slender wagon
I am in North America ...Canada to be specific
McGill Formula Electric
or ETS
UBC is also really good.
distant hollow
Yeahhh right ....righty o I'll enquire there and make my way in ....thanks so much again
slender wagon
Western is also nice, but their Uni isn't very popular for their engineering degrees.
ornate bough
hey quick question qolorfulnight, when did you decide electronics are for you?
ornate bough
Yeahhh right ....righty o I'll enquire there and make my way in ....thanks so mu...
good luck! :)
distant hollow
good luck! :)
Thanks man!
slender wagon
hey quick question qolorfulnight, when did you decide electronics are for you?
was always a hobby since I started studying the alphabet. Wires, circuits and stuff were always my happy place so naturally I took it.
slender wagon
Thanks once again <@557126554392461312>
mind if I ask where in canada? im near Vancouver lmao.
distant hollow
Toronto
ornate bough
oh cool!
slender wagon
ah okay. McGill and ETS is much closer to you then.
distant hollow
Lmao I could make out that you might be Canadian coz you had info about specific schools haha
distant hollow
ah okay. McGill and ETS is much closer to you then.
True
slender wagon
ETS are reallllyy good. They SMASHED literally ALL European formula student teams.
trying to find the results where they came 1st, hang on
i can't seem to find it what the hell
https://www.formulastudent.de/fsg/results/2019/ there we go. 20th overall, 1st in Skidpad tho.
short ether
ETS are reallllyy good. They SMASHED literally ALL European formula student team...
fake news
short ether
in skid pad they did! XDD
gotta let 'em have something so they keep coming back
slender wagon
gotta let 'em have something so they keep coming back
the cars look so sick man.
short ether
the cars look so sick man.
all the feels at once when I was never on formula student tho
we don't even have a team I'm sure
we had some ridiculous solar bike thing
slender wagon
ahaha
everyone wants to build eco friendly cars, but they get lost and forget how much they can learn as engineers in formula student.
imo^
plush panther
I don’t think I’ve seen something so adorable yet terrifying to look at
slender wagon
I don’t think I’ve seen something so adorable yet terrifying to look at
now think of 100 such cars at an event
plush panther
😳
random edge
downforce lvl 900000
vagrant parcel
very
spare raptor
What are the leaf blower teams put on the brakes and engine for?
Is it to keep the engine warm
nocturne dock
its to keep the engine cool while its running or cooling the brakes after a session
spare raptor
Ah ok
nocturne dock
its to keep the engine cool while its running or cooling the brakes after a sess...
and the electronics
plush panther
Goofy question again, but does anyone know how many times an F1 driver blinks over the course of a race, compared to the normal rate of around 1000?
lime ferry
Goofy question again, but does anyone know how many times an F1 driver blinks ov...
watching verstappen do his virtual laps on youtube he doesn't blink for the entire lap lmao
obviously different IRL but every single virtual lap he does he literally doesn't blink
stark ember
They finally got finished parts for the grills
Wait no, I'm looking at test 😭
It looks like they're kinda going somewhat a Ferrari route
eager cedar
How much downforce exactly did the ground effect cars of the 70s/80s have? Like compared to 2020 for example
merry delta
It looks like they're kinda going somewhat a Ferrari route
kinda looks like the red bull route as well
plush panther
That's quite a difficult question to answer
Well, it’s not really an answerable question because the 70s and 80s were the aero years and we saw some of the wildest things, and also, ground effect is far from constant, and measuring downforce is a very complicated thing
Yes, there was likely less downforce, but those well optimized ground effect cars with skirts down just sucked themselves to the ground
slender wagon
Well, it’s not really an answerable question because the 70s and 80s *were* the ...
Just do a lap with no aero on your car and then do a lap with aero. Study the suspension travel and with simple physics you can measure the downforce.
cursive wraith
Goofy question again, but does anyone know how many times an F1 driver blinks ov...
Much less I’m sure
Vettel did a Singapore lap with hardly a blink iirc
There was a cam focused on him
plush panther
Just do a lap with no aero on your car and then do a lap with aero. Study the su...
For ground effect, how would you just, “disable” it?
edgy anchor
With a reference of 1.5, at 100mph that's 525kg
So they're overcoming their weight by 110mph
tall wyvern
it doesn't include tyres though, which reduce lift by around 30%
it's from this paper
astral rock
Paywall
tall wyvern
that's how journals work
slender wagon
For ground effect, how would you just, “disable” it?
it would be a very naked race car lol.
plush panther
it would be a very naked race car lol.
I would think so!
Is there a way to simply cancel the airflow under the car of it without introducing much drag though? Because I’m just trying to think about how they could do it without completely altering the car
paper marsh
Is there a way to simply cancel the airflow under the car of it without introduc...
u could channel it around the sides but that would induce drag one way or the other so
plush panther
Yeah
And you can’t just “fill in” the floor because that would introduce weight and drag
shell sphinx
Goofy question again, but does anyone know how many times an F1 driver blinks ov...
@fleet pecan and this is why technical is the best channel
plush panther
edgy anchor
Is there a way to simply cancel the airflow under the car of it without introduc...
It would have to be an incredibly gentle curvature along the base but you can't have it just flat or the edges would stall out
plush panther
Yeah
edgy anchor
But also I assume enough to cancel the lift the topside would have
plush panther
Aero is complicated, and even more so with ground effect, lets just leave it at that
edgy anchor
I'd posit the opposite honestly
Why invest so much in different winglets and such if you could do one surface underneath that does most of the job?
leaden hill
did someone say Ground Effect?
edgy anchor
edgy anchor
I mean... Yes and no
tulip valve
if the mercedes engines are slow does that mean mercedes are screwed until basically 2026
indigo jasper
Do placing of Q1 and Q2 matter for what happens in your place in the start of the race
Like if someone places 1st in Q1 and Q2 and then places 10th in Q3 where are they in the grid on race day
cursive wraith
They’re 10th on race day
indigo jasper
Oh ok thanks
tall wyvern
It is a totally different thing
In cars it’s accelerating the air under the car = reducing the pressure
In planes it’s shrinking wingtip vortices therefore reducing downwash therefore reducing drag and increasing lift
radiant elm
Mick Schumacher's crash gave the car 56,744 Newtowns of force and Mick himself 951 Newtons of force
Source:my math
edgy anchor
How?
That'd only convert 9.4G to Mick, which is good
But 556.5G in the car, which is... Not possible
55.65G? More likely
deft burrow
if the mercedes engines are slow does that mean mercedes are screwed until basic...
not necessarily
tall wyvern
- not how force works
- they’re the same body
edgy anchor
Wdym not how force works?
The same body I assume is the difference between the two wouldn't be that severe which I might agree with but headrests and that
tall wyvern
If it was less acceleration on mick than the car he would go through the car. By definition it must be the same. Since he’s sat in the car and moving with it, the force has to be the same, but that force is dissipated via the crumpling of the car.
granite tundra
Mick Schumacher's crash gave the car 56,744 Newtowns of force and Mick himself 9...
????????????
explain
granite tundra
1) not how force works
2) they’re the same body
this is also wrong
radiant elm
I'm 14 so I'm probably wrong tbh
granite tundra
the driver typically experiences a lot less acceleration than the car (typically measured at the ADR)
radiant elm
I'm not even at nqt 5 physics
Oh I see my mistake
For the car I kept the impact duration at .1 second it should be about a second
radiant elm
55.65G? More likely
So 56 g ish
Ye I probably too long but It was almost the same as this guy said
I actually didn't mean to do the cars Newtons I just accidentally originally put the whole cars weight instead of Mick's
granite tundra
what is your maths behind this?
tall wyvern
the driver typically experiences a lot less acceleration than the car (typically...
That’s what I meant by they’re not the same body
granite tundra
you.. said they were the same lol
radiant elm
I done acceleration using a=uv over time then I did f=ma
tall wyvern
Oh yeah lol that’s a typing whoopsy
granite tundra
I done acceleration using a=uv over time then I did f=ma
you'll be way way way off because you're making massive assumptions about the fundamental behaviour of the impact
radiant elm
Ye
As I say I'm 14
I haven't even started national 5 or a levels i think it's called
tall wyvern
Asking questions etc is literally always good, and the earlier you start the better
radiant elm
This was my working
I took massive assumptions such as I took the assumption he was going 180mph and went down to 22mph impact duration was .1 second as I say I'm 14 and just love this sport and wanted to test my skills
@granite tundra is there any way too improve on this sort of thing that you know of?
edgy anchor
Frame by frame
radiant elm
How do you get that sort of stuff like frame by frame?
edgy anchor
On Youtube it's the comma and full stop arrows
Know the framerate, see how many frames the impact took
granite tundra
<@380314643844956160> is there any way too improve on this sort of thing that y...
honestly not really, there isn't a lot you can really do just from looking at a video
radiant elm
Know the framerate, see how many frames the impact took
Ye I know that bit but where can I get the frame by frame?
edgy anchor
I'd assume that was a good 40-50G
granite tundra
even if you had the exact start and end velocities and your impact duration, any number you compute will be pointless because it doesn't capture the dynamics of the accident
edgy anchor
Ye I know that bit but where can I get the frame by frame?
... Full stop and comma is the frame by frame on YT
granite tundra
especially because the car is hitting the wall at an angle
radiant elm
On Youtube it's the comma and full stop arrows
Ok I got really confused by this
radiant elm
especially because the car is hitting the wall at an angle
Ye
edgy anchor
I assume the slide took 30mph~ out
tall wyvern
But the point is, you have no idea the behaviour of the car dismantling
edgy anchor
So?
radiant elm
Ye
radiant elm
What's crazy?
edgy anchor
If you got it close
radiant elm
... Full stop and comma is the frame by frame on YT
Btw I can't find the channel
edgy anchor
tall wyvern
If you assume the car and driver are a rigid body coming to a complete stop then fine
edgy anchor
What channel?
radiant elm
https://youtu.be/BLJNYYYsTlc
Thanks
radiant elm
What channel?
Ok I'm confusing it know sorry
edgy anchor
O
radiant elm
If you assume the car and driver are a rigid body coming to a complete stop then...
Ye you still wouldn't know
You would need full telemetry
granite tundra
it's a good effort and i can see the logic you've followed to get to the numbers
unreal delta
Albert👍
worldly ferry
what is stoping mercedes from just putting in the w12 engine in this car and get better pace?
wanton rampart
Draggy setups
upper ivy
what is stoping mercedes from just putting in the w12 engine in this car and get...
I think that engine wouldnt work as well as last year with the new fuel
So it probably wouldnt be an advantage
Also that engine wasnt made to last long
upper ivy
Well no they already made the new engine for that
worldly ferry
cause w13 engine is just a wheelbarow at best
white vine
what is stoping mercedes from just putting in the w12 engine in this car and get...
I could be completely wrong, but based on their new package, the W12 probably isn’t as well fitted for the new technical regulations in the cars
unreal delta
Ferrari and Shell have got it perfect or something because they're so quick
deft burrow
Shell has worked with E10 fuels for an eternity, so it’s no doubt they would get it right
worldly ferry
so fia changed the regulations to give ferrari a leg up
deft burrow
Well no.
They went with E10 fuels to reduce the cars carbon footprint
Just one team having an oil giant as their partner who conveniently has loads of experience with E10 fuels got the benefit, same with Honda and Renault
edgy anchor
They went to E10 and will increase that further as time goes on hopefully because it's a carbon neutral boiyo
scenic sand
Can someone give me an explanation for the compressor - engine that was used in the 1950s?
And also the turbo engine?
nocturne dock
And also the turbo engine?
shove 5 bar of pressure into an engine + special fuel and u get 1400hp
edgy anchor
Can someone give me an explanation for the compressor - engine that was used in ...
Which compressor engine?
modest reef
Guys Is there a way to get the aceleration brake and speed telemetry?
indigo jasper
Can someone explain battery in an f1 car and then lights on the back of the car
modest reef
Can someone explain battery in an f1 car and then lights on the back of the car
the light shows when the batery is recharging, if the light is blinking, the battery is not deploying, it is recharging.
when it acelerates and it is not blinking, the battery is deploying
scenic sand
Which compressor engine?
What they used in the 1950s
edgy anchor
The compressed regs remained mainly the same and permitted 1.5L charged engines besides the brief period in the 50's/60's where engine size got really small, before in the 30's they ran roots/screw Superchargers, or even centrifugal superchargers in the case of the BRM V16
sudden scroll
let's be specific, what kind of supercharger did the Alfettas use
sudden scroll
the centrifugal looks so much like a turbo
edgy anchor
It's almost like the intake side of a Turbo is a centrifugal compressor
You can see the rootsy on the right
In black with the square type housing
Quite small depth wise
edgy anchor
Here's the twins on the 4.5L 12C engine
Here's your alfetta block
Wait that's the head
tall wyvern
What an absolute beast though
scenic sand
The compressed regs remained mainly the same and permitted 1.5L charged engines ...
Ah, I thought the compressor was a device which forced additional air through the valve inlets, to improve engine performance
edgy anchor
Ah, I thought the compressor was a device which forced additional air through th...
That is correct
A roots or screw blower is a linear supercharger where for every rpm their rated size is delivered in air, so a 2L supercharger gives 2L of air every revolutiob
So... It yoinks extra air for the engines to make at the time 450hp or so when before they'd make 200 or so
vernal elk
What was the cause of Ric's and Fernando's engine problem? Was it heat?
They seem to have more cooling then merc though...
spiral gyro
What was the cause of Ric's and Fernando's engine problem? Was it heat?
Ric’s wasn’t heat related he said he lost the drive still not sure what exactly happened
civic fern
Fernando seemed to be stuck in 4th
languid fractal
Is it possible to directly link df to porpoising?
I mean cars that porpoise more , have more df
graceful sun
if that was the case why would merc be complaining they lack downforce
spiral gyro
I mean cars that porpoise more , have more df
No. It’s the constant bouncing which is destroying the pace of the car
languid fractal
if that was the case why would merc be complaining they lack downforce
Did they?. I thought they complain about a lot of drag
deft burrow
if that was the case why would merc be complaining they lack downforce
Because their solution to reducing porpoising is jacking up the ride height which reduces downforce.
jade moss
There's a theory from Craig Scarborough based on James Allison's video that the porpoising isn't being set off by the aero. But rather something else starts it off then the aero sort of keeps it going. So I guess it's finding whatever it is that is starting it
short ether
Alpine knows what it is
civic fern
well in that case is their engine just that shit or is it somehow the rest of the car?
edgy anchor
It's the suspension I'd presume
They banned the Hydraulic heave dampers
Springs have resonant frequencies
I assume
spiral gyro
^ suspension is a key role in this
And whoever said that downforce keeps the process going is correct but it also sorta starts the whole thing as downforce builds up only then will porpoising start as the car gets closer to the ground
But yes if merc really has to fix this issue they have to make changes to the suspension before anything else which I sure they have but maybe it didn’t do the work
fringe hull
I think if you have more downforce, porpoising is also worse but suspension is what needs to change
spiral gyro
exactly
onyx nova
what happened to Yuki's engine this weekend
nocturne dock
ded
fringe hull
He already had new ICE or am I wrong?
spiral gyro
Yup he got a new ICE during second practice in Saudi
spiral gyro
what happened to Yuki's engine this weekend
I honestly don’t know exactly but it’s reliability for sure tho
fringe hull
Should watch closely RBPT card performance
Wonder if it's because they sacrificed reliability for performance because of freeze
onyx nova
He already had new ICE or am I wrong?
is it a total a 3 ICE they can have per season
then the pens kick in
spiral gyro
Yep
onyx nova
I wonder if we will see more of these issues across all the RBPT cars.. it would really give lec the chance he needs to push forward on points
spiral gyro
I’d imagine so
graceful sun
I remember someone made a sheet of estimated total cost of damage done by drivers in crashes in 2021, does anyone know where that sheet is?
dusky canyon
@graceful sun I looked, I could only find this
civic fern
how did Charles rack up so much
graceful sun
He had so many lap one accidents
civic fern
Mick and Max basically had entire cars replaced (Saudi and Silverstone)
how the hell did Charles go through entire rebuilds worth of parts lol
the only major crash i remember was Monaco and it was pretty tame compared to the above
graceful sun
He has a big crash at Jedda last year
vale pike
@civic fern Hungary
graceful falcon
He had so many lap one accidents
hungary and monaco
vale pike
His engine was basically rammed directly into
graceful falcon
and idk what else i forgot 😅
vale pike
Saudi in practice i think
graceful sun
Isn’t that the same sequence of turns as mick?
scenic sand
Can someone explain me what downthrust in an F1 car is. I know it's associated with downforce and the ground effect. However, I'd still appreciate if someone could tell me what downthrust really means.
I've got a presentation coming up where I need to explain the evolution of the F1 engine and F1 aerodynamics from the start in 1950 all the way today's F1 generation, so any helpful information would be appreciated
tall wyvern
Do you mean downwash?
merry delta
^
hollow skiff
Any changes for W13 so far ? Respective to Down force, Balancing.
spice eagle
Any changes for W13 so far ? Respective to Down force, Balancing.
we don't get to know that as of now
like it's expected
that changes will be there
but we'll only know it in australia
spiral gyro
^^
the time when the teams will just display the cars in their garages is when we'll see those upgrades
floral bramble
spiral gyro
Brilliant video
prisma dome
so how much slower are this years cars compared to last year?
I heard like 1.5s or so?
green folio
pole time at bahrain was 1.5s slower
saudi pole time was 0.7s slower
I believe most of the time loss in this year's car compared to last year is in the slow speed corners
onyx nova
in bahrain 2021 top speed on the straight was 326kmh vs this year 323kmh
spiral gyro
top speed is slower cuz teams are adding more downforce to the cars so that the cars actually do turn in the corners
nocturne dock
suc effect not enough
spiral gyro
yep...
scenic sand
What does the diffuser at the rear of the F1 cars do?
sudden scroll
raises the volume of air that comes through it, thus reducing the pressure which creates downforce (in the form of suction)
civic fern
uh, Alonso has a Renault
nocturne dock
yea lmfao
short ether
Y'all it's me, smart guy, so why not we just use side skirts. I'm sure it will help a lot. 😂 😂
edgy anchor
Coz then the skirts would porpoise and dammit
wintry pollen
I noticed that the front tyre winglets can be damaged if the tyre is punctured. If the driver could make it to the pit, can it be replaced or they would just run the car with damaged winglet.
runic torrent
Any changes for W13 so far ? Respective to Down force, Balancing.
there were some rumors on twitter that the engine will get a stage 2, that some parts of downforce will get an upgrade in imola and everything to finish the package and be on top teams pace will happen in spain
spiral gyro
I noticed that the front tyre winglets can be damaged if the tyre is punctured. ...
It cannot be repaired, the teams will have to run the car with a damaged winglet unfortunately
edgy anchor
Those winglets are part of a whole front wheel cowling which is behind the brakes
fringe hull
there were some rumors on twitter that the engine will get a stage 2, that some ...
What do you mean by stage 2 engine? I thought the so called stage 2 was about reworked aero 
It refers to the freeze of hybrid part?
prisma dome
do we roughly know how much hp the engines are making this year?
scenic sand
What's the outwash effect?
edgy anchor
What's the outwash effect?
Wash directions refer to the direction air goes after being used by the aero
Outwash in this case is where the air, after going through say the front wing or barge area, it gets flung outside the car's area, usually to avoid the tyres which if hit with clean air would produce alot of drag
So point number 3
Pushes air outward
So the wide wake is proper outwashy
spiral gyro
do we roughly know how much hp the engines are making this year?
Not really we never get to know the exact power output but I’d imagine just below a 1000?
nocturne dock
around 1000
civic fern
https://u.cubeupload.com/turbof1/GIF4.gif
when did 2019-01 and 2019-02 happen?
before/after summer break?
edgy anchor
I assume so
teal forge
Can inters work on sleet?
simple yoke
top speed is slower cuz teams are adding more downforce to the cars so that the ...
Mercedes tho
golden galleon
Can inters work on sleet?
Sleet?
teal forge
yes
golden galleon
What's that
teal forge
What's that
a form of precipitation consisting of ice pellets, often mixed with rain or snow.
a thin coating of ice formed by sleet or rain freezing on contact with a cold surface.
think of it like a layer of ice on the road
spiral gyro
Can inters work on sleet?
No just nope
spiral gyro
Mercedes tho
What about it?
onyx nova
are you guys still talking about an antartic GP ffs
jolly tangle
Would inters or full wets be able to endure a conventional road surface?
spiral gyro
Yes ofc but it wouldn’t last as long
But it’s still better driving with actual road tires instead of using inters or wets which belong to a race car
static vigil
.
languid fractal
Cool
stray cargo
Does anyone know how much torque these v6 engines make?
plush panther
At least 1 pound/foot
spiral gyro
Approximately 650 nm at 10500rpm
edgy anchor
If the hybrid system makes 160hp then the engines make like 860?
So like 610nm from engine alone
And you have the 200nm boost but that's way lower peak wise
spiral gyro
Forgot abt the hybrid system so yeah pretty much
edgy anchor
Well this is something glaring I didn't realise
Honda were using Beryllium in their Valvetrain
ember fossil
Wow
edgy anchor
So Mercedes-Ilmor weren't the only ones to be using it
tall wyvern
Honda were using Beryllium in their Valvetrain
What.. how? That says 2003 but beryllium was banned in 2001
How did they swing that’s
nocturne dock
illegal engine moment
plush panther
Honda were using Beryllium in their Valvetrain
😳
edgy anchor
It seems the legality was more against Beryllium-Aluminium rather than Beryllium-Copper as the former is more a matrix which gives the insentive that bits of Baryllium could be shaved away
tall wyvern
It seems the legality was more against Beryllium-Aluminium rather than Beryllium...
Copper is specifically mentioned it turns out haha. BeCu50 is about 2% by atomic weights and 0.28% mass
edgy anchor
Then what's the 50 for?
astral rock
Copper is specifically mentioned it turns out haha. BeCu50 is about 2% by atomic...
Wasn't magnesium used in grosjeans car iirc?
tall wyvern
Then what's the 50 for?
atomic weight, 50 coppers 1 beryllium
making it 2% beryllium by atomic weight
tall wyvern
Wasn't magnesium used in grosjeans car iirc?
this is just for the PU, the wheels are magnesium for example
edgy anchor
atomic weight, 50 coppers 1 beryllium
Ooooh
onyx nova
does anyone have any solid info on the new upgrades Merc are bringing to Australia? or is it just rumours at this point
spiral gyro
pretty much rumors as i said above we need to wait until Australia and actually see the cars in the garages so technical pictures of upgrades etc will be shared
fringe hull
Nothing confrimed yet
But from what I saw in quite reliable sources it's almost confirmed they will bring new rear wing in Australia
there are also rumours that upgrades at Imola and Catalunya will be massive but they sound kind of like it will be new car, so take with a grain of salt 
especially in budget cap era
velvet ledge
Any other team bringing updates??
spiral gyro
id expect most of the teams to bring upgrades 
its just that we dont know what exactly the upgrades are lol
we just gotta wait
fringe hull
RB and Ferrari will bring updates at Imola
Don't know about others
But I think we can expect upgrades from everyone at Imola
Because of it's location
merry delta
RB and Ferrari will bring updates at Imola
I'm pretty sure that Merc is also wanting to bring updates there too
teal forge
How does an engine lock up? I thought only tires/breaks can lock up!
scenic sand
What are the advantages of the "coke bottle" shape in f1 ?
onyx nova
<:willmao:680360271801352192>
scenic sand
Lol fr now
jolly tangle
Lol fr now
It reduces drag
It's an aerodynamic philosophy borrowed from fighter-jet design
plush panther
Just an efficient shape
Not for ground effect
So that’s why some cars look wild this year
jolly tangle
Notice how the fuselage of this F-5 is very similar in shape to that of an F1 car
That's where it comes from
plush panther
Ground effect likes straight lines, but out of that, the coke bottle is efficient
plush panther
Notice how the fuselage of this F-5 is very similar in shape to that of an F1 ca...
That’s more for supersonic speeds but yes
The air flows around the car most efficiently in that way
If they were just boxes that cut off at the wheels, there would be a vacuum and therefore drag
jolly tangle
That’s more for supersonic speeds but yes
The philosophy is the same, narrow up front, wider towards the middle, and then swooping inwards towards the back again
plush panther
But, as i said earlier, ground effect likes straight lines, so that’s why this wasn’t much of a problem for those late 70s lotuses
jolly tangle
But, as i said earlier, ground effect likes straight lines, so that’s why this w...
Yeah
plush panther
The air would be thrown “upwards” out the rear and go through either the rear wing, around it, or over the tire
The lotus 80 had curves in the tunnels and therefore was not as efficient as its boxy older brother the 79, funnily enough
celest cypress
what is this? latifi pulled it after crashing
plush panther
Kill switch
tall wyvern
The lotus 80 had curves in the tunnels and therefore was not as efficient as its...
ey? the lotus 80 just had insane stability problems because the tunnels were so long and produced so much downforce, in fact streamwise curvature is what produces lift. the critical difference between the 79 and 80 is the length of the tunnel.
spiral gyro
How does an engine lock up? I thought only tires/breaks can lock up!
well having an engine lockup means its a really bad failure, the main causes of engine lock ups are when the engine runs dry ie when there is no oil or lubricant circulation. we know the the components INSIDE the engine are very very tightly pakaged for performance so running dry will cause a lock up in such vehicles (actually happens in almost every vehicle lol).
when i say runs dry it means the metal parts which in our case is the piston and the cylinder bore rub against each other.
spiral gyro
I'm pretty sure that Merc is also wanting to bring updates there too
looking a their current status they WILL
like the pace they have rn is somthing they dont want so they're working hard on finding a way to stop the bouncing issues and get a upgrade asap
so i completely expect an upgrade this weekend
plush panther
ey? the lotus 80 just had insane stability problems because the tunnels were so ...
Oh, that makes sense, as the tunnels are almost 150% the length of the 79’s, and i guess the curvature of the tunnel around probably didn’t have as much of an effect on the downforce, considering just how much those tunnels provided
edgy anchor
Ground effect likes straight lines, but out of that, the coke bottle is efficien...
Are you sure about that?
Also the 80 kept going with the persuit of downforce when Lotus didn't have chassis stiffness to back it uo
tall wyvern
Curvature is good up to the point where the airflow detaches.
teal forge
well having an engine lockup means its a really bad failure, the main causes of ...
oh ok makes sense
ty
nocturne dock
well having an engine lockup means its a really bad failure, the main causes of ...
or cold
spiral gyro
but the engine being cold really isnt a possibility during a race right?
zinc hedge
He was but only bc he went off track
jagged horizon
but the engine being cold really isnt a possibility during a race right?
Engines can lock up due to internal failure or pistons, valves, bearings. Or these race motors can lock up from simple compression braking, as was the case when checo ran out of fuel
mighty quartz
tall wyvern
SOC is the battery charge in the energy store, which itself is a component of the ERS
slender wagon
SOC -> State of Charge
slender wagon
😂
celest cypress
system on chip
sus on crack
celest cypress
short ether
short ether
Does the f2004 have double wishbone suspension? When was double wishbone first introduced in f1
edgy anchor
Does the f2004 have double wishbone suspension? When was double wishbone first i...
It was forst used in the mid 1930's... It has been in F1 since the start of F1
short ether
It was forst used in the mid 1930's... It has been in F1 since the start of F1
Can you highlight where is the steering arm?
I’m confused by the top wishbone and steering arm
edgy anchor
It's in line with the top wishbone front
edgy anchor
That I believe is the brake Master cylinder
jade swan
That I believe is the brake Master cylinder
I do believe you are correct.
short ether
They are the reservoirs for the brake fluid, which is part of the master cylinder assembly
Unsure why there is only 1 reservoir
nocturne dock
there are 2
one got removed for some reason
probably mechanics looking at some stuff behind it
plush panther
On my Lotus 79 I noticed there were 3, any ideas?
deft burrow
You own a Lotus 79?
jolly tangle
Ah, when pedal clutches used to be a thing
plush panther
You own a Lotus 79?
https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-money-money-money-salary-credit-alert-account-balance-gif-14950661
I do
(In 1/20th scale)
deft burrow
they had me in the first half ngl
plush panther
spiral gyro
(In 1/20th scale)
damn that must be a well detailed car then
dusty wave
dusty wave
'it's a handlebar they use in pitstop testing, it's not a new handlebar to reduce weight" someone said
bruh
I thought they had returned to the old steering wheels
plush panther
grand eagle
tire compounds this week are c5, c3, and c2
Interesting
deft burrow
okay, a one stop
deft burrow
its not
plush panther
It’s not lmao
spiral gyro
it’s just for the pitstop practice 🤦♂️
kindred ibex
Why is teams like Williams and ferrari have porpoising but saying it isn't effecting their laps but Mercedes are saying it is effecting their laps
deft burrow
because like some engineers have said already, porpoising doesn't inherently make you lose time
Some have even suggested that Mercedes are using their porpoising issue as an excuse to mask the real issues with the car
civic fern
Well, the negatives of porpoising is that the bottom of the car slams onto the track
If you’re having to change other areas like setup to stop that from being too extreme
You’re inherently running a slower car than you could’ve had porpoising not been an issue
tepid mirage
how did Red Bull get rid of porpoising and Mercedes has the worst one??
merry delta
how did Red Bull get rid of porpoising and Mercedes has the worst one??
I can answer the first, but idk about the second. Red Bull introduced a rear-suspension upgrade to their car to change how the suspension behaves at speeds exceeding 250kph. This prevents the rear from getting low enough so that porpoising begins
spiral gyro
^ i dunno about that IF merc does have the worst car suffering with porpoising, i say that cuz ferrari too is suffering with tge bouncing issues but the pace is simply amazing. we can say that the mercs pace is just getting destroyed because of porpoising so if they need to resolve this issue aero is not the answer because i believe they have done every trick in the book for reducing the bouncing which i sure they have but not enough so the answer as the person above said is the suspension, teams are making changes to their suspension by bringing upgrades. i can guarantee merc is working on it so we need to wait.
worldly umbra
guys i made a research but icouldn't find a proper answer how does the "fastest lap" work in F1?
Like is it about the driver who does the best score of his average lap speed?
deft burrow
It goes to the driver who drove the fastest around a circuit in one lap.
worldly umbra
But why it's not the 1st driver everytime than?
He leads the race so he could do the fastest laps each time
deft burrow
Because the driver in first isn’t always the fastest man on the racing circuit.
deft burrow
It is about lap time 😄
worldly umbra
It ges me confused 😄
Like let's say ur the first in race and i'm the second
I can't get pass you
you will finish it before me
how could i have a better lap time than u
So confusing or i'm an idiot
deft burrow
Let me take Jeddah for example
worldly umbra
Sure
deft burrow
Perez was leading the race from the start, right. He wasn’t the fastest driver in the race.
worldly umbra
Ye
deft burrow
He may have been in front, but the drivers behind can go faster than the cad in front of them, that’s how they overtake
Leclerc had the fastest lap, despite not winning the race
worldly umbra
so it's like
in order to have the fastest lap
you need to overtake someone for a short time atleast?
Why am i so confused on this lol
deft burrow
No- You only need to be the fastest car on the circuit at any given time
As long as you’re in the top 10, doesn’t matter what position you are in, if you are the fastest car at a given time period within the race, you’ll be given the fastest lap
worldly umbra
Okay so you need to reach highest average speed of top 10 cars
in order to have the fastest lap?
at any give ntime
deft burrow
The fastest lap time, not speed.
worldly umbra
but in order to achieve the fastest lap time you need to have the highest average speed
I think i should give up on this XD
deft burrow
Not inherently.
worldly umbra
Not inherently.
like i found an example
"You are driving on a course and just did a 2-minute lap. The car ahead of you did a 2 minute 5 second lap. If he’s less than five seconds in front of you, you might be able to catch him"
If i completed a lap in 2 minute how can the car ahead of me complete it in 2 minute and 5 seconds?
if i am behind him i should be doing at least 2.6
deft burrow
Because he is driving slower.
It doesn’t matter if you’re behind him, that’s not how laptimes work
worldly umbra
I think i should check the laptime system lol
deft burrow
The fastest car is not always at the front of the pack
zenith pumice
but in order to achieve the fastest lap time you need to have the highest averag...
not really
worldly umbra
So is it only about the gap between you and the car front of you or all the cars front of you
zenith pumice
let me break it down for you
worldly umbra
There no good infromation about the systems in my native language and english ones are a bit complicated to me
worldly umbra
let me break it down for you
Would be happy
zenith pumice
lap times are measured in seconds. the fastest car around the circuit takes the least time to go around said circuit. each car on each lap is timed from when it crosses the start/finish line to start its lap, and then when it crosses the start/finish line to end that lap. the car that took the least amount of time to go around a circuit has the fastest lap
sometimes that’s the car in front of the pack, sometimes it’s not. it depends on who’s taking the least time to go around a circuit
the fastest lap, in modern f1, carries an extra world championship point. however, you only get this point if you
- finish the race with the fastest lap
- finish the race within the top 10
worldly umbra
Oh damn
Now i get it
It's not about the car front of you it's only about you as i thought in the first place
It doesn't depend on other cars directly
zenith pumice
nope, it’s just how much time you take to go around the track
short ether
in order to get the fastest lap you do need to achieve highest average speed...over 1 lap :^)
worldly umbra
Like i see P1 is interval and P2 is 0.50 but p4 is 0.30 it's only the gap between p4 and p3 right?
worldly umbra
highest average speed yes
That's what i said at the beginning but bidoo said it wasn't exactly correct
worldly umbra
Like is it about the driver who does the best score of his average lap speed?
like so
zenith pumice
if it says “interval” then yeah, the gap between P1 and P2 is 0.5s
ah yeah I misread, sorry
worldly umbra
if it says “interval” then yeah, the gap between P1 and P2 is 0.5s
k k
zenith pumice
yeah you’re right, you need the highest average speed
but that’s not how the fastest lap is measured
zenith pumice
if it says “interval” then yeah, the gap between P1 and P2 is 0.5s
if it says “leader” then the respective times are in relation to how far they’re behind the leader
worldly umbra
but that’s not how the fastest lap is measured
ye i get it
okay when it's interval the gap is only between the cars front of them
zenith pumice
yeah
eager cedar
How soft are softs?
short ether
id just send pirelli an email
spiral gyro
so a slick tyre has a coefficient of 1.5 compared to a 1.1 of a normal road tyre so that can say its very very soft
another way of comparing is the stiffness when cornering so i believe if im correct f1 slicks can go upto 4000N of slip angle ie when the cars taking a corner, whereas a normal road car tyres would have difficulty of achieving that value like it wouldnt even reach half of that.
so compared to a road car f1 soft tyres are very soft
very.
plush panther
Very very
spiral gyro
yes very
lofty plover
Comparing stats like that seems totally pointless
Made worse by the fact that those numbers are wrong and from a 2014 forum comment
lofty plover
How soft are softs?
To answer your initial question, they're not actually that soft to the touch, not at room temperate at least. I doubt you would be able to really feel a difference in hardness between f1 slicks and road tyres if you aren't familiar with them. The slicks are a bit softer though, like you could push your nail into them a fair bit easier even at room temp compared to road tyres.
Once they're warmed up though, they get very soft, and the outermost layer even gets sticky to the touch
Even though they are "soft" tyres, they still need to withstand 900kg going 300+ km/h, so softness is very relative in that sense.
short ether
Hey can someone tell me why the cars have some dots in the rear wing ?
snow jolt
Hey can someone tell me why the cars have some dots in the rear wing ?
for monitoring rear wing deflection i think
jolly tangle
thats like c6
C1- Equivalent to 2018 Hard
C2- Equivalent to 2018 Medium
C3- Equivalent to 2018 Soft
C4- Equivalent to 2018 Ultra-Soft
C5- Equivalent to 2018 Hyper-Soft
olive wraith
Can someone explain what happend to Max's car??
radiant sun
Best idea is that a Fuel issue blew up the pu
cursive swallow
Max shut the engine off
It didnt blow up
Horner said Max smelled fuel but they wont know the cause until they get back to the factory
jolly tangle
It's apparently unrelated to what happened in Bahrain, so we can't really judge if it's a running issue or not either
nocturne dock
C1- Equivalent to 2018 Hard
C2- Equivalent to 2018 Medium
C3- Equivalent to 20...
where supers
cursive wraith
C1- Equivalent to 2018 Hard
C2- Equivalent to 2018 Medium
C3- Equivalent to 20...
Don't think so
Wasn't there Super Hards and Super Softs too?
jolly tangle
Don't think so
It’s a very simplified conversion
jolly tangle
Wasn't there Super Hards and Super Softs too?
Super hards were barely used iirc
cursive wraith
It was only used by Max in a Practice Session iirc
karmic nest
yo
I think Ferrari is cheating
see in Jeddah, from carlos sainz's front wing cam, the front wing is clearly flexing to the side
reducing the drag
I think FIA needs to investigate them
plush panther
Can someone explain what happend to Max's car??
Car no worky, smell funky
karmic nest
Car no worky, smell funky
split fuel line im pretty sure
fair heath
Can someone exolain what alfas clutch issue was
(The massive wheelspins at race starts, anti stall)
short ether
split fuel line im pretty sure
Do you know what part of the fuel line?
edgy anchor
see in Jeddah, from carlos sainz's front wing cam, the front wing is clearly fle...
The wing flex for example on the Mercedes is really quite strong, they're kinda lenient with it, I assume due to the new regs having less complex/fragile wings
edgy anchor
I believe Ferrari copied this from Merc
civic fern
The wing flex for example on the Mercedes is really quite strong, they're kinda ...
well, the entire car itself is bouncing along
edgy anchor
Okay, but the wing flex is intended
upper ivy
see in Jeddah, from carlos sainz's front wing cam, the front wing is clearly fle...
there's always gonna be flex in parts like this, that's why there are limits for how much it may flex
karmic nest
The wing flex for example on the Mercedes is really quite strong, they're kinda ...
ah I see
dense shadow
https://youtu.be/UgjhF3JmfkM anybody know what's up here?
maybe just from the camber of the road changing?
nimble fern
maybe just from the camber of the road changing?
probably
short ether
Guys
Max DNF was fuel leak and there was a fire at the rear, possibly due to the exhaust heat or burning of the electronics
…
Magnussen DNF in 2016 was due to a fuel leak
Question: Why is the fire at the airbox on this occasion?
deft burrow
largely depends where the fire started
the fuel tank is right behind the driver if I recall, so if the fuel ignited as soon as it started leaking, then there can be flames by the airbox, I would assume in Max's case, the fuel was able to "trickle" down the back of the car before getting ignited
Anyway, in Magnussen's case, the fuel caught fire in the breather at the top