f1-technical

[stark adder]

wouldn't that sidepod for the haas be an aero issue

[deft burrow]

I wouldn't think so.

They are getting away with a tighter packaging because of how the radiators sit

It looks like they have theirs sat at the front, like what the 1992 ferrari had done

[deft burrow]

Where do you think the issue of aero could come into play?

[stark adder]

i have no knowledge of aero, i just guessed a chonkier side would cause more drag?

[floral bramble]

They look very differently

That haas is the early development version so it can change more

I remember when it was said that the cars are going to look very similar

Ain't looking like it yet

[wary fable]

The double floor design as they call it, one of the two distinct design philosophies predicted for the 2022 cars.

so yeah i think it is definitely primarily an aero focused difference

i think its explained more in depth here?

interesting to see how this plays out i'd expect the tighter back end to be the winning package in most circumstances but i guess this could be the exception

[short ether]

I've seen it suggested AMRs sidepod philosophy helps bring forward the low pressure zone for the diffuser, which in turn helps offset the decreased front wing down force

[half blaze]

yeah so timing wise, he is pretty much faster

True

[edgy anchor]

I adored these flick ups, I hate that they were banned coz after they were banned they've just left dead space in that area, especially since the sidepids got tighter every year

[primal patrol]

after looking at the sheer design differences between the haas and the AM, i guess these rules allow for more design freedom than i thought

[short ether]

is it just me who thinks the HAAS livery actualy looks good?

[floral bramble]

Just u

[short ether]

nice

anotha thing im lonely with

[spice eagle]

nah u have the creator of the livery in this server he's with u

brandon i think

[short ether]

lol

nice

[violet smelt]

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1492083854408093697?s=20&t=dzSlpFDfei_OGJcwXNdEBg

Craig Scarborough (@ScarbsTech)

Mad theory. Theres a noticable bulge in the floor of the AMR, this doesn't appear to be the tunnel as it sits too high.
Rumours are Merc has slimmed the engine. Do any be its a repackaged exhaust?
In recent seasons the exhausts have wrapped up high to keep the coke narrow.

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[violet smelt]

it does look good

[short ether]

:D

[sudden scroll]

White is cool

[short ether]

da

[zinc bison]

Monaco 2018, what are the strings coming out of the front suspension?

[delicate kayak]

I think it's the cable that holds the wheels

[nocturne dock]

tyre teathers that keeps it from flying off

the tyre

[zinc bison]

damn if that exploded that crash was harder than I thought

[granite tundra]

wheel tethers*

the tyres aren't tethered

each hub has 3 zylon tethers passed through the suspension arms to keep it attached to the tub

looks like this if an end is failed

[static vigil]

Can someone explain the pushrods?

[deft burrow]

what do you want to be explained about them

[static vigil]

Well, just what they do.

Because honestly I don’t know much about suspension etc.

[deft burrow]

Push rod largely got used from 2014 onwards because it was more aerodynamically optimized. The system allows certain components to be moved out of the way of airflow, and it also has a lower center of gravity. and if I recall, it gives better weight distribution, but also much more high speed stability

[zinc bison]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRvKW4JDyl4&ab_channel=ChainBear

[static vigil]

Aight, time to watch that.

[static vigil]

Also thanks.

[floral bramble]

Also, it seems like the Ferrari engine is much slimmer than mercs

It was the car in very early development

But not the final one

Only guesses

Nah it's very different from the show car

[civic fern]

Theres no way the Merc engine called for a rear end that big lol

You could probably fit 2 engines in there

[silent heron]

rocket engine on the amr ? Look at the mclaren now it's much thinner

Completely opposite

[deft burrow]

seems like McLaren went with the same cooling solution as Haas

[edgy anchor]

Also McLaren's seems a bit earlier spec too

[stark elk]

is the high wing on the aston martin because of ground affect?

[short ether]

yes most likely to get as much clean air under the floor as possible

[deft burrow]

we'll see that with nearly every car this year

Or rather, every car, unless one of the teams found out a way to have the wing lower with no compromises to the high wing

[edgy anchor]

Well...

The front wings have a minimum height bruh

I... Think

[nocturne dock]

yea cant be too low

maximum height idk

regulations too big to read

[edgy anchor]

Bro for a reg book that's meant to cut the fat of the endless readjustments to make an amalgamation of something

I cannot make any damn sense of it

I believe the front wings would've dropped further had there not been the minimum height, but I have no clue how to read the regs that'd prove me right or otherwise

[civic fern]

Look at Haas as well

You have size zero Haas and chunky Aston Martin

McLaren seems to have both

[plush panther]

Oh most definitely

Aston likes getting air under their cars

[edgy anchor]

Yeah but the front wing isn't like high tho

[jolly tangle]

That’s some Newey magic right there

I wonder if they used the Valkyrie for some inspiration when designing the AMR22

Getting some of that indirect Newey influence

Since when the Valkyrie was designed, Aston Martin was still Red Bull’s title sponsor

[plush panther]

It’s pretty high

[zinc bison]

great comparison here

[spice eagle]

mcl is longer?

i didn't know that

[half blaze]

most likely, but it could also be the height that the picture was taken.

[zenith pumice]

this photo is not definitive of the real size comparison (it might be)

that’s because this stuff can easily be manipulated with how much zoom was used to take the photos

to get real size you need to scale both to the same dimensions based on something that’s the same, which would be wheels perhaps, to get a real idea of how big each car is

but again that’s also variable based on zoom

[zinc bison]

you can tell by the back tyres that the aston was taken from higher up

perspective

[zenith pumice]

point is these images aren’t precise

now it can absolutely be that McLaren’s car is longer, but we don’t know yet

we need both cars in the same spot taken with the same height camera to get a real perspective

[plush panther]

Wheels or halo because halo design is fixed and teams aren’t allowed to tamper with it

[solid raft]

Uhhu

[flint nacelle]

there was a proper comparison of the cars i believe on the f1 instagram and the mclaren is longer just not by as much as that photo shows

[flint nacelle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ2nkB0r8kn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

f1

Side by side 🧐 Theand the

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[feral vessel]

We're not sure if this is really the same zoom or resolution so we can't judge from here

also does the sidepod on the AMR22 act as a downwash wing ?

[bitter quest]

a bit I think

[short ether]

2nd floor pog

toro rosso last did it in 2011 iirc

[feral vessel]

It's also made because floor leading edge is downwashing aggressively on the top surface, so there is a probability that there'll losses and separations on the top surface that could go downstream that is undesirable, so with the sidepod acting as down washing wing you can end up with overall downwash and the losses don't come too big.

[heady vale]

They made the body work a bit flat to make air go straight hit and there's a big difference is bodywork. McLaren uses the black to make the car look slim while Aston Martin is right out flat. And huge noticeable difference in the spoiler. Will be interesting to see these things with Drs open. Front wing is just A Ruler in McLaren. Just a Straight line

[heady vale]

So for vaccum?

[feral vessel]

yup

[deft burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432208507073331201/942036144332345364/Someone_at_the_launch_snapped_a_pic_of_the_rear_of_the_MCL36.jpg

Looks like someone voided the NDA

On the other hand we got a scarbs analysis

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1492468271785734144

Craig Scarborough (@ScarbsTech)

Notice how the high and wide letterbox cooling outlet avoids the beam wing and top rear wing.
#F1 #F12022 #MCL36

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[jolly tangle]

Looks like someone is about to catch a massive lawsuit

[deft burrow]

https://youtu.be/VYBzndSFVpw also looks like McLaren purposefully made the render inaccurate

[wanton shuttle]

For the first time in 10 years of watching j can spot the difference between the cars

[edgy anchor]

It's cash to see the variety in just 2 cars with the same engine supply

[hot bronze]

Going to be very interested to see the lap times of the aston and Mclaren which are so different

[sinful cedar]

do you think redbull will be fast enough this season

[sudden scroll]

they haven't shown their car, there's absolutely no way we can know

[short ether]

You have to assume yes, with the resources they have. I mean they are big enough to buy everyone in this sever. But nothing on the car yet

[ornate bough]

I don’t think this is #f1-technical

But go off

[deft burrow]

If I recall, the teams wanted to push the air up as high as possible without hitting the beam wing, because that'd in turn give less dirty air to the car behind

Definitely interesting, I haven't looked at their undercut on the sidepod too closely, so I can't really give much to say on it. The wide chassis with flat radiators is also a very different design than what most of us are used to seeing

Mostly curious as to if the other teams will follow the concept of the high front wing, to have as much clean air going under the car as possible

I imagine their concept wouldn't work too well in the slow corners, if Scarbs word is to be believed

High speed tracks is definitely where this car will shine, especially since their concept is basically relying on the Venturi tunnels to generate most of the downforce

[sullen violet]

Is the Aston the only team to show off their actual car?

[stark elk]

lmao

there has been about 4 videos of it running

[sullen violet]

Sorry forgot to add the word only

Since the Haas, McLaren and AT look like liveried show cars

[stark elk]

oh oh oh

[jolly tangle]

McLaren? Not really

A lot technicalities on the model they revealed

And they're planning running the same "Filming Day test" that Aston Martin ran in a while

[upper ivy]

Only Red Bull have shown literally just a recoloured showcar. All other teams had details that were very different from it as well as from each other

[jolly tangle]

^

I don't think any other team (besides Red Bull, of course) is going to show just a show car anymore tbh

They have no reason to

Not even Mercedes

[rich gust]

https://i.redd.it/y5xcl9tb9sh81.jpg

very interesting

do the other cars use this

[jolly tangle]

Because they're revealing at such a time that it'd be virtually impossible for their competitors to plagiarise

[jolly tangle]

I've spotted elements of it on the Aston

[deft burrow]

I think Redbull was behind schedule

so they didn't get an early rendition ready

[short ether]

bad bull amirite

[deft burrow]

Sponsors have due dates of when they want their exposure, so I think it's very likely they couldn't meet the demands in time, and had to resort to a showcar

[civic fern]

Why?

[deft burrow]

Why else would they be the only team so far to only give a showcar, I get the whole point of keeping cards close, but AlphaTauri, which is Redbulls second team, gave us a rendition of their cars concept.

[civic fern]

But Red Bull actually being unprepared seems like a even bigger stretch than “hiding their cards”

Where did the “RB didnt have a car ready” thing start?

[deft burrow]

If I recall, it was first said by Dieter in a twitter sound space back in january

[civic fern]

I don’t believe it

Newey considers starting next year’s cars by September to be a disaster

Theres no way even with just 6 months they have absolutely nothing built further than a 2019 F1 concept show car

[silent heron]

he didn't say nothing ready, he said nothing presentable ready, not a full car

[sullen violet]

I respect that they may have their own version of the 22 car

but (as far as I know) Aston are the only team to actually show a car on track

and maybe I'm just being a filthy casual here... but the Aston is the only car that looks dramatically different from the show car, the AT looks almost identical

[upper ivy]

yes, that's true

[sullen violet]

the AT front nose is clearly not the one that'll be on the real car

[upper ivy]

I'd suspect their nose will look more like the others yeah

shorter and the lowest front wing element doesn't touch the nose

[sullen violet]

my thoughts exactly

I'm no big Aston fan.... but my god does their car look good

those louvres along the sidepods are something else

or gills

whatever they want to call them

[edgy anchor]

VENTSCH

[formal estuary]

Apparently it's the quick and easy method of the two major choices that the teams had. I doubt they'll be good

https://pledgetimes.com/f1-car-2022-we-will-see-two-very-different-philosophies/

[formal estuary]

It's literally in the article, the team isn't happy because they chose that route. It's also stated that it's easier to achieve results but at the same time will probably be less competitive in the end.

[deft burrow]

I am curious, what was the point in choosing that concept, if they knew it has the likely potential to not be as competitive

[civic fern]

its honestly not surprising

that AM once again went for the quickest and easiest for "results"

results in quotations cuz that seems only short term

[formal estuary]

Less risk? Less money

[deft burrow]

Surely that wouldn't align with their long term plans, which this seems to contradict.

[civic fern]

honestly i have no idea what their long term plans are anymore

cuz it seems like a pretty heavy focus on results NOW

Mercedes when they built up Brackley and Brixworth, recruited only the best engineers and staff

key example, James Allison from Schumacher-era Ferrari and Alonso-era Renault

the most impressive resumes on the grid (Newey turned it down)

not washed up downfall-of-McLaren Whitmarsh

not guys like Mattiacci who to this day we still don't know what his role exactly is other than he lost Fernando

they didn't go copying cars or recruiting big names with less than stellar records like Aston is doing

[deft burrow]

Another part of me, wonders if this is an attempt to satisfy their sponsors who weren't happy after 2021's performance, completely scrapping the whole long term deal, in an attempt to show up with a high performing car, that peaks the earliest, keeps the sponsors happy and the money flowing, despite the same 2021 performance fate eventually happening

sorry if it sounded like a massive run on sentence, a little tipsy

[civic fern]

its like he just wants Lance to get his name in the WDC list once, and whatever happens after that is whatever

Even in the AM campus hes building in plans for “downsizing”

[formal estuary]

They could be banking on some early points/podiums

[civic fern]

I think their technical team is just not as good as they think they are

[deft burrow]

I'm trying to remember, what other team was it that tried hiring big names but ultimately failed in the end

Toyota?

[civic fern]

Toyota certainly threw money at the problem

[formal estuary]

Giorgio said that the team isn't happy with the direction, it's the director who decided to use that method

[civic fern]

But I dont remember a single person from there

[deft burrow]

director, Max Szwaj?

[formal estuary]

Idk the name it's in the article

[deft burrow]

oh Andy Green

[civic fern]

Hes the Chief Technical Officer at AM since 2016, but i think thats for road car cuz Stroll wasnt in the picture yet

[deft burrow]

Yeah, forgot about that

[fair heath]

Alfa's testing wing

compared to aston

[spice eagle]

aston is like in the air

next yr we'll have win about the halo 👍

[fair heath]

alfas one looks really fucking complex

[grave fiber]

alfas is also pretty high

[grave fiber]

they either got nothing or something

[spice eagle]

i think to let more airflow

[fair heath]

exactly

[grave fiber]

hopefully we got smth right

[fair heath]

also is it my brain or does it look like half of the wing is missing

on the right side

[spice eagle]

ur eyes

[fair heath]

WAIT

wtf

[grave fiber]

seks

[fair heath]

look at the front wing

[grave fiber]

yes\

[fair heath]

its so...low

also the intake

return to 2018?

[upper ivy]

2017-2019 yeah

idk why it's always that team that goes for a roll blade

[fair heath]

idk about you guys but im really fucking curious on the front wing

its so..different

[grave fiber]

they went back to old intake

interesting

[fair heath]

i thought the triangle one was the best until now

[grave fiber]

tho its bigger now

[fair heath]

and without secondary ones

[grave fiber]

and the triangle slits at the side are gone

yeah

[fair heath]

all i wanna see is 1 win

atleast 1

[grave fiber]

podiums baby

[fair heath]

im fucking pumped about this season

from the technical aspect on its own as il study to be a mechanical engineer

pushrod suspension both at the back and front 👀

[grave fiber]

this was scarbs

[thorn mantle]

very interesting to say the least

[plush panther]

Honestly i love these new cars in terms of looks

I feel like they finally managed to get the halo to look alright with the rest of the design

[deft burrow]

If Sauber is going both rear and front push rod

How likely would it be then if Ferrari and Haas go double push rod

[civic fern]

pretty good looking car tbh

[fair heath]

none

alfa made its own rear suspension

backing away from the previous ferrari deal

[mellow arch]

can someone explain why they put the sponsors logos OVER the camouflage seams pointless

[grave fiber]

so you can see it?

its probably gonna be the same placement with the irl livery

[spiral gyro]

i don't think the purpose of the camo is to hide which car it is. it's there so that you can't clearly identify the design of few aero components or should i say it makes it HARDER to identify

[mellow arch]

just saying put ads on a car that isn't meant to be seen seems weird that you would take the time to do it

[rich gust]

Remember when everyone was so confident of most teams using the pull rod suspension at the front then only Mclaren shows up with it

[edgy anchor]

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/1493620793070215173?s=21

Autosport (@autosport)

Williams makes it 3️⃣ F1 cars we've seen on track for the new 2022 season 👏 But which one is your favourite? 🤔

#F1 #Autosport

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The variety is cash

[gleaming sand]

Just a showcar

[grave fiber]

really?

many saying its the fr thing

you can see the intake and front wing

[crimson granite]

I'm pretty sure that's the real thing

[fair heath]

how can that be a showcar lmao

[gleaming sand]

Idk, I seen a lot saying it's showcar or testing car idk

[rocky fox]

showcar testing would be the most useless thing ever

[fair heath]

extra money wasted aswell

[rocky fox]

^^

[fair heath]

why would they make a completely fake car to just show off lol

[rocky fox]

its their normal car, just with a testing livery

[fair heath]

especially this complex

[gleaming sand]

It don't make sense that the reveal is on 27th and they shakedown already before reveal lmao

[rocky fox]

bro

[fair heath]

because they have that option?

[crimson granite]

???

[rocky fox]

theyre not going to just pray to god that theyre going to have a good car

[fair heath]

every team does

[rocky fox]

they need to test it

[crimson granite]

They literally gonna do barcelone testing before they reveal the car

[fair heath]

well its just a livery lmao

[rocky fox]

and even then, the only thing that matters to us is the livery

hence the testing liveries

[gleaming sand]

I didn't know that shit lol mb, but Idk just feels weird to have reveal 12days away but you already show the car in shakedown idk lol

[rocky fox]

theyre not showing the livery

[crimson granite]

You get the point considering I don't think we're gonna see much of the cars in barcelone

Plus they're gonna use the same testing livery in Barcelona

[fair heath]

ah ok, every has a "filming day" available before actual testing

they probably dont go all out like in testing

just the basics

[crimson granite]

Afaik filming day is allowed anytime of the year

[rocky fox]

just do filming day every day for extra data

ez

[fair heath]

i mean considering how many leaks we have had for liveries i wouldnt be surprised on testing day

[rocky fox]

have we seen leaks from other cars?

afaik only the ones that have been released got leaked a few hours/days before

[crimson granite]

Because usually the team posted it early

Or someone from the team

[rocky fox]

yeah

but not from teams like ferrari/merc/teams who dont have their car reveals soon?

[gleaming sand]

Is it me or hass looking kinda sus on their design, only thing is if that ferrari engine good this year as they are making out to be.

[fair heath]

are venturi tunnels underneath all the same (mandatory to be the same) or however the team desires?

[grave fiber]

probably not the final thing

they may do shit

[deft burrow]

Making a showcar driveable is just unnecessary work too lol

[fair heath]

exactly lol

[zinc bison]

So what’s up with square intakes?

Why is everyone using them?

Except HAAS

[nocturne dock]

idk

[civic fern]

More surface area than a circle for the same “diameter” (one side to other)

Of course the generic answer is affecting the chassis flow lol

[quick wind]

Hydraulic Diamater provides greater mass flow rate than a for a same circular or eliptical diameter (for turbulent flow).

I believe the shape is as a consequence of the regulations and planar restrictions

[gleaming abyss]

wondering why the front wings on the new cars are so high off the ground compared to last year's?

[languid fractal]

I think someone explained it in this channel

Something about maximises the air to the underfloor

[formal estuary]

They want more air under the car

[rich gust]

oh the irony

[feral vessel]

that and also they were removed because they were seen as a costly solution

[nocturne dock]

and they look ugly as fuck

[sudden scroll]

Disagree

[short ether]

ferrari spoilers

|| undercut or no undercut, what do you think? ||

[grave fiber]

||idk but that snapdragon looking sexy||

[feral vessel]

but Teams will have little impact in their design, in order that they don't use them to damage the overall intent of their introduction.

[short ether]

||Snapdragon tiny logo||

[rich gust]

So far we've only not seen the Red Bull and Mercedes

Coincidence? I think NOT

[civic fern]

EL PLAN?

[rich gust]

Owait fuck ur right

[bitter quest]

wheres the alpine then

oh wait nvm

I am stupid

[gleaming sand]

I reckon Ferrari,Aston Martin and Alpine will be the only teams using gills on the sidepods

[short ether]

@river sluice please post with spoiler tags until the car is officially released

[river sluice]

sorry

[half blaze]

👀

[spiral gyro]

we can see that

[nocturne dock]

ono

[rich gust]

Do the rules forbid any nuclear power on the cars

[short ether]

[zenith pumice]

even if they didn’t, do you really want nuclear power running around the track

[spice eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/nuclear-catastrophic-disastrous-melt-down-gif-13918708

bro

like circuit would not exist only if one mistake is made

the whole of monaco will go down if one driver error happens

bahrain will sink

albert park lake will become albert park sea

[jolly tangle]

Not really

It’ll get contaminated at most. Producing a nuclear explosion is much different from producing nuclear power—two very different technicalities

Theoretically (strictly theoretically), it is possible, given our current understanding of nuclear mechanics

But it would be utterly inefficient and tiresome to upkeep + maintain, and incredibly expensive to develop

Forget in a motor-racing scenario, nuclear-powered engines are far fetched even for road moving vehicles as of now

[spice eagle]

the vehicles being powered by nuclear energy means fission has to happen in the vehicle. it's precisely like an atom bomb inside then right?

[jolly tangle]

I would explain

But it is way too much to type

So read this

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/what-is-the-difference-between-the-nuclear-material-in-a-bomb-versus-a-reactor

In a bomb, on the other hand, you need nearly pure fissile material, said Arjun Makhijani, a nuclear engineer and president of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research. That is, material that is capable of sustaining such nuclear chain reactions. Most nuclear bombs are made up of isotopes of uranium 235 or plutonium 239.

“Commercial reactors have just a few percent fissile material in them, and bombs have more than 90 percent,” Makhijani said.

[sudden scroll]

and a power plant, yes

[jolly tangle]

There’s a reason as to why nuclear power plants don’t just explode. It all depends on on the percentage of fissile material that is utilised, and in most power-generating scenarios (like say, an F1 car), only a very small percentage would be used—not enough to cause an explosion

[short ether]

What about driver exposure

can you contain it enough?

[sudden scroll]

you can probably do a simple calculation, how much fuel do cars need, how much energy is that, convert it into the mass of enriched uranium needed to get the same

but also, these turbine engines don't work for racing cars, it might be good for things like indy 500 or nascar

but last time i checked, they're not efficient at having lots of throttle / off throttle cycles compared to piston engines

[jolly tangle]

Okay so, if we are to dive deeper into this, then lead-cooled fast reactor would most probably be used to power the car, and the “lead” part of that statement should tell you enough about exposure

Because lead blocks most nuclide emissions, iirc

But yes, as Reb said, technology that is usually used for submarines and ships, which have a set amount of power output for a long period of time, is not really suitable for an environment that demands variable power output over a short period of time

[jolly tangle]

Right, so

Ferrari’s front end

👀

[fair heath]

fire away

[jolly tangle]

Utilising all four permitted wing structures on the nose, instead of the three that has been common in the other revealed cars

[spice eagle]

interesting

[fair heath]

does alfa go into the revealed car section?

cuz i think they have 4 aswell

but its hard to say with the camo

[jolly tangle]

Their nose stops at the third structure iirc, the fourth structure on the Alfa acts independently

[fair heath]

man cant wait for this season

from a technical perspective alone

[languid fractal]

So Ferrari didn't go for a pull rod

[spiral gyro]

From the looks no.

[jolly tangle]

So that means that either McLaren got it incredibly correct or horribly wrong, because Ferrari was the only other team that everyone anticipated to incorporate a pull rod design

[zenith pumice]

taken from Slendis and CS, but thought it was worth reposting here

[rich gust]

people doubting the use of the pushrod when the haas was revealed lol

[civic fern]

wow now i really can't wait for what Mercedes came up with if the Ferrari looks this good

[languid fractal]

But from the people I have heard, it's doesn't make a huge difference. Maybe I need to rewatch that explanation

I'm actually enjoying what the teams are doing with body work to direct the air flow, it's actually quite cool

[floral bramble]

Amr22 v f175

Front wing looks like they r at the same level

Slightly better picture for the f175

[floral bramble]

Where's this flap on the other side of the f175?

[short ether]

im now wondering if aston was hiding side pods like that or if theyll show up with them for testing

[civic fern]

Wow look at all those sPoNsOrS

[languid fractal]

https://youtu.be/ryXs0Lhmy10

[rich gust]

Is it possible to have a suspension that doesn’t use a push or pull rod

[languid fractal]

To my understanding i don't think so

[rich gust]

An unrodded suspension on a way

[languid fractal]

https://youtu.be/zRvKW4JDyl4

I don't think in F1 its possible

[fallen tulip]

unless you use the wishbones as a lever to act on springs inside the chassis but that would put large bending forces on the wishbones

[tulip valve]

probably a stupid question but is that 3 wing elements or is it just the lighting?

wait no its definitely a stupid question

[bitter quest]

lol

[wooden abyss]

Hello there

[lost ice]

this is a strange question, but im going to write an essay about the 2022 cars for school, and I was wondering what topics I should cover. So if you have any ideas let me know.

[languid fractal]

How the venturi tunnels generate downforce

[violet smelt]

RB18 on track

looks like the AT tbh

[deft burrow]

maybe its the blur, but the shark fin looks weird

like it looks like there is a dip behind the intake and the sharkfin

[violet smelt]

its very tightly packaged overall

[deft burrow]

a little off topic, but I found it really cool that you're apart of decalspotters

[short ether]

what is that FW endplate

[short ether]

also shouldnt ye spoiler it you prick

[languid fractal]

Quick question, but how do people rate Gary Anderson from the race

[bitter quest]

cool

[deft burrow]

solid engineer, wrote some pretty decent articles over the years

[languid fractal]

Aight, read his article on Ferrari, it doesn't seem like the Ferrari car is impressive

A bit worrying personally

[deft burrow]

He's usually pretty critical

[languid fractal]

Oh aight then, im fairly new to F1 so

[void ibex]

can someone explain the benefits and drawbacks of pullrod vs pushrod? Ik what they are but Idk the advantages and disadvantages of each

[short ether]

dont worry, they have 0 clue

no one knows

not even the teams engineers know where they stand

[short ether]

https://mobile.twitter.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1494376889015836677

Giuliano Duchessa (@GiulyDuchessa)

#Binotto ha svelato che il doppio splitter è stato subito valutato positivamente e installato sulla #F175 dopo averlo visto sulla Aston Martin AMR22 #Formu1a #F1 https://t.co/JrcpkmpwOz https://t.co/Gm8dN6Uldn

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Twitter · Feb 17, 2022, 6:23 PM

Ferrari stole the double bib from amr

[whole linden]

can't say if it's a good or bad sign

[viscid shoal]

maybe why the new rules were enforced (too much dirty air etc.) and depending when the essay is due, you could theoretically include some early analysis which design ideas proved to be good and which didn't (pretty sure a lot of articles will be released after pre-season testing by the usual sources)

[civic fern]

depends on when it's due, switching back to the 2017 cars might be a better idea because more content

we still know fuck all about which design is actually good

[solemn sand]

Funny, I’m doing the exact same thing

[solemn sand]

I’d reccomend writing the essay on whether or not the racing improves

[upper ivy]

is that real?

looks like someone took a pic of bigfoot

[violet smelt]

it is

[flint wraith]

https://streamable.com/4wtzgq

[spark harness]

whats all the craze on the sidepod?

[edgy anchor]

It's flat outside with a concave section inside which isn't used on any other car

And seems to be only related to the MP4-26

Unless you didn't mean Ferraris

https://external-preview.redd.it/Flb9Zg9ZpTAM7d9AUNZYntRCcIkJQGJT4bgjGaGTV7k.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4469aca5d246e9dfaadf5ead7cba36df7b8e1132

[vernal elk]

I really hope that Ferrari got some more HP out of their engine.
IIRC they were down about 50hp.
So is the fuel now about E10?

[timber sigil]

🇫🇷

[distant stirrup]

e 10 it is

[edgy anchor]

It's mandated to be at least 10% Eeeeee, indeed

[floral bramble]

Looks slick

[civic hedge]

yoo it looks diff

[plush panther]

I mean thats what 64p does to a mf

[civic hedge]

true ye

[zenith pumice]

that’s why it’s there in case anyone was wondering

it’s a very elegant aero manipulation

also, look at that cooling and the sidepod inlets

[plush panther]

Honestly I’m in love with it

I love some good ol loopholes

[zenith pumice]

this wouldn’t count as a loophole, would it?

[solemn sand]

i dare you to touch those sidepod inlets while it's running

[plush panther]

I guess not

[zenith pumice]

but I am loving the variety

this is good

[plush panther]

But not what the FiA thought they would do

[plush panther]

Yesss

[zenith pumice]

why

it’s not a vacuum, you wouldn’t get sucked in

[solemn sand]

science

[plush panther]

If you take the livery off of every car they are almost all distinguishable from each other right now

[solemn sand]

the radiator is very close by

[fair heath]

Front wing 👀

[floral bramble]

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1494607876962328591?t=rBqkFLyi6SFeMpw6EKl3HQ&s=19

Craig Scarborough (@ScarbsTech)

#W13 https://t.co/kdmnR1eGCQ

Twitter · Feb 18, 2022, 9:41 AM

[zenith pumice]

the double dip rear wing will be interesting

it’s far more radical than anything we’ve seen so far

hell, even more than the Ferrari

[jolly tangle]

The wavy floor edge really caught my eye

A very characteristic, rounded and narrow, nose as well

[zenith pumice]

that front wing

very interesting

[languid fractal]

Dang that's so cool

[floral bramble]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/1494619109841068040?t=aES8m5KWsMjz23tr6OhgKw&s=19

Tobi Grüner 🏁 (@tgruener)

The Mercedes AMG W13 features a ultra long nose like the Ferrari.

#AMuS #F1 https://t.co/S7Ey4tVYzz

Twitter · Feb 18, 2022, 10:25 AM

[deft burrow]

So with the varying concept designs, how spread out are we expecting the field to be?

[languid fractal]

Idk

Just hope merc arent better than everyone by a mile

[jolly tangle]

They probably won't

Although they are also the most likely have the strongest power unit still, and boast one of the best technical teams on the grid

So, we'll have to see

[hot bronze]

It is amazing how different the cars are and how close in pace they are on track

[jolly tangle]

I feel that their competition with Red Bull will still be rather apparent, considering that Adrian Newey's a ground effect and chassis design maestro (whose skills will be on full display this season, considering that bodywork is a huge factor this time)

[jolly tangle]

We don't know about the pace part yet, but hopefully the regulations accomplish what they intended to 🤞

[gritty parrot]

Why are Mercedes and Haas quite similiar, tho haas revealed first

I mean looking at the body structure and the front wing (without the front nose)

[languid fractal]

So Ferrari side pods are the highest?

[gritty parrot]

What about mercedes?

[languid fractal]

The side pods look very wide, won't that cause alot of drag?

[jolly patrol]

more drag above = better downforce from the floor and diffuser

[violet smelt]

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1494688698851602435?s=20&t=u03hi9qfoMDo_3KaTLSw7w

josh (@AeroGandalf)

A) the first single element beam wing we've seen (unless there's a very shallow leading edge slat)
B) the @SomersF1 mouse hole
C) very aggressive outer floor
D) interesting use of the tyre thermal camera presumably to interrupt the shedding of the top endplate vortex https://t.co/Sb2MTIHaQo

Twitter · Feb 18, 2022, 3:02 PM

[solemn sand]

How fast do you reckon these cars will be at high speed courses?

[bitter quest]

fast

[solemn sand]

I need 230mph+ speeds at monza

[sudden scroll]

you're not even driving the car

[plush panther]

[void ibex]

Has anyone gotten a look at Ferrari’s rear diffuser? There’s gotta be something interesting going on back there

[solemn sand]

not exactly a good look but it exists

[void ibex]

Ahh lol yeah it’s tough to see much detail

[plush panther]

Doesnt look too complex tho

[civic fern]

Thats a good looking Silver Arrow

Wonder how it would be in black tho lol

[solemn sand]

black is usually imo not a very good color

at least on road cars

[spice eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-suspicious-gif-23068645

[civic fern]

Road cars?

Black is like the most popular one

[solemn sand]

Black often hides detail on cars and needs to be very glossy to work right in certain conditions

as one friend of mine put it, "if it only looks good in black, its not a good looking car"

[civic fern]

I mean, most “details” after a week of driving are mud and dirt so I dont think hiding it is much of a loss lol

[solemn sand]

they show up on black paint even more

[civic fern]

Hmmm i never noticed it on black cars

Even tho when i think about it, i should

[solemn sand]

imo in f1 black is good for one off races

it kinda gets old very fast

[edgy anchor]

Unless you have a literal dark horse in a black livery

[quaint fjord]

Wow

[feral vessel]

They're running the sidepods as aero surfaces, and it is to maximize the wing-like effects.

[silent heron]

looks so similar to ferrari

[crimson granite]

huh

[solemn sand]

i don't see any resemblance

[silent heron]

front wing

[crimson granite]

not sure about that either

[silent heron]

even though quality is low it looks like the front wing is similar, with a not too sharp turn

the back is totally different though

[short ether]

More like the AT03 ngl

[fossil belfry]

new rb18 shot

[graceful sun]

Looks like a double T tray floor

[deft burrow]

wait a minute

[feral vessel]

and that adds the list of the teams running a pull rod suspension in front

[deft burrow]

Are they running pull rod?

[feral vessel]

looks like it

[deft burrow]

bold

[fossil belfry]

yes

[deft burrow]

very bold

[feral vessel]

At the moment is seems that only McLaren and Red Bull are running a pull rod suspension

also an interesting nose cone

[plush panther]

⚫

[gritty parrot]

Unpopular opinion:
Haas and mercedes are quite similiar, looking at the body part and the frontwing (except the front nose)
So Mercedes copied haas

[grave fiber]

indeed

[gritty parrot]

But it really is surprising

[plush panther]

Based haas fan

[gritty parrot]

Either Haas' 2 years paid off to come close to a good car or mercedes has a problem

[viscid shoal]

notice how the car on the left clearly is a Mercedes, even Ferrari buy things from Merc

[solemn sand]

Hamilton buys thing from Ferrari

Perhaps he has a laferrari because amg simply can’t deliver his project one

[nocturne dock]

merc is using pullrod for the rear so does that count lol

[sudden scroll]

isn't everyone doing that

[nocturne dock]

idk

for the front its standard push rod

[feral vessel]

no

I was speaking about the front suspension layout

[nocturne dock]

then yea its just them for now

[silent heron]

Nah not everyone

I think I saw someone with a push rod rear

the alfa romeo?

[fair heath]

yes

[edgy anchor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914818911621509191/944334126398447676/FL55Ie4XoA0eDBz.png

[upper ivy]

I think in the first pic that's just weird artifacts from bad quality. Whatever it is in the new, high-res pic, it's more likely something in the background from the truck. It's not in the correct position to be any alleged extra-wing

[edgy anchor]

Oooooh

[queen sky]

Same for the FW44

I wish we had a top down view of it

I think W13/Haas and the Williams FW44 have the same sidepod philosophy. Maximize floor size, down wash

Small side pods and coke bottle

[dark trench]

What happens when rain gets into the louvered sidepods?

[upper ivy]

it immediately gets blown backwards by the wind

[fair heath]

This makes my head hurt

[edgy anchor]

It goes in the vents then it comes out through the rear packaging>?

Also why?

[fair heath]

Its sooo complex

[nocturne dock]

well its f1 ofc its complex

[stark adder]

looks stamped on

[deft burrow]

interesting note from b sport

mercedes have a temp panel for any needs of extra cooling

[languid fractal]

Just watched this right now😂

[floral bramble]

Pull rod

[plush panther]

[plush panther]

Good eye!

[short ether]

Best

Old McLaren

[floral bramble]

This makes Ferraris top air inlet look very small

[grave fiber]

its triangular

unlike the others

[floral bramble]

Yep

Most of the cooling comes from the sidepods

[grave fiber]

other teams seemn to have a squarish

intake

[floral bramble]

https://twitter.com/AeroGandalf/status/1493885661992165376?t=E_LASIfZOo-57IXSgL4sdQ&s=19

josh (@AeroGandalf)

I've been asked a few times and always said no (I think making them yourself is good practice), but if you want the 2022 reg volumes you can get them here (hopefully everything is correct)

https://t.co/NPn5oAc8JY https://t.co/gPFqxaxwOI

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Twitter · Feb 16, 2022, 9:51 AM

So the red bull thing is legal?

[upper ivy]

i stand by what i said yesterday

Besides, I think the FIA said they're satisfied that no team has found any such loopholes? Certainly Red Bull would have asked the FIA if something like this was ok.

Also nothing like this can be seen on any other footage of the car

[floral bramble]

Ah

Thkx

[half silo]

https://youtu.be/FxJwvIT29EE

[violet smelt]

https://twitter.com/randysingh86/status/1495009157451337729?s=20&t=gx7NAlSf92EbuDRsT_MxYA

Randy (@randysingh86)

More technical insight will be given to fans. Teams have to let the FIA know what new parts they have brought (shared with journalists) and we will ‘show’ the cars before FP1 and after Qualifying - with a senior team member ‘telling’ about the weekend. Hence ‘show and tell’.

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Twitter · Feb 19, 2022, 12:15 PM

inchresting

[short ether]

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/sw88uo DRS

[jolly tangle]

How adjustable will the rear wings be this year? Will teams still be able to run slim low-downforce configurations like they have before on tracks like Monza, Montreal and Paul Ricard?

[gritty parrot]

So the RB has its front nose connected to the 3rd element, while merc abd ferrari have theirs connected to the 4th element

So RB may will not be in top 2 this year

[spiral gyro]

that makes no sense

[sudden scroll]

based on this alone?

[fallen tulip]

I believe that the yellow strip in the bottom image is just the rear of the garage but seen through the gap between the beam wing and the lower rear wing element, as pictured

not a wing itself

[edgy anchor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL9Jx1ZWQAgc0OE?format=jpg&name=small

DRS

[jolly tangle]

?

[edgy anchor]

Yes they will

[zenith pumice]

beautiful view of that double dip rear wing

[jolly tangle]

Veeeeeery tightly packaged car, it seems

[bleak anchor]

sus

oh

this has already been posted

[silent heron]

no. You can't base which car is quicker on a noise choice. Plus, two cars can be equally quick with a different package and two cars can be different in speed (or downforce produced) with similar concepts

[plush panther]

Seems like they found every loophole and abused the hell out of it

[main horizon]

That is what engineers are

[solemn sand]

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-f1-75-forme-curvy-per-proteggere-i-mille-cavalli-del-motore/8315406/

[nocturne dock]

[opaque mulch]

Guys, what are those cilinders above the engine?

I know they are called intake manifolds

but what is their purpose, why are they good (or why no), and why is their placement on top?

[upper ivy]

they're basically just pipes that supply air to the cylinders.

they're on top because that's where the air needs to go (usually the cylinders are mounted so the combustion chamber is up)

[opaque mulch]

wouldn't it be better if they were the exaust manifolds?

I might be wrong here

but could they use the venturi effect created by the rapid air (relative speed) passing by?

[upper ivy]

use it how?

[opaque mulch]

do u know about the venturi effect?

[upper ivy]

roughly, yes

fluid pressure drops when the cross section of a pipe decreases

[short ether]

up or down it doesn't matter

it's like this for packaging and cooling reasons

[opaque mulch]

well then, the air passing by would create a depression in the 'exhaust' manifolds, making the exhaust gases rush out

[opaque mulch]

yeah

[short ether]

that's already a thing on basically all engines

[opaque mulch]

oh really?

but on the exhaust manifolds?

[short ether]

exhaust scavenging?

should be more or less what you're defining i think

[opaque mulch]

i gotta check it

i mean, pretty much any new idea to improve a car u can think of is already thought by an f1 team

[short ether]

anyways quickly back to the question with the image, the silver thing are individual throttle bodies

each cylinder has it's little throttle body

and they're used in racing because they flow a lot of air

with very little restriction

the reason they're rare in roadcars is because you need a big airbox with a big filter around them, and they're loud, and complicated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD83GV2i9R0

but they sound nuts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6y-sc9hWp0 another view

[opaque mulch]

i've looked it up, and it seems they play with pipe widths and connections to do it

pretty interesting

[proven spade]

can someone explain the difference between pushrod and pullrod suspension

why choose one over the other, other than the fact that pull rod has a lower centre of gravity

[bitter quest]

Look on YouTube, many useful vids

[weary gulch]

https://youtu.be/zRvKW4JDyl4

[edgy anchor]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/8b/02/a28b0250a7671c22b74d9810d31b778b.jpg

They're on top halfly because of rules, and halfly to keep a specific valve angle to get combustion chamber volume exactly how they want

The shape of them is a venturi type shape, and their purpose of length is to have the air pressure waves that bounce back and forth when the valve is closed to bounce into the engine when the valve is open, at the right revs where you need it

This can also be played with with variable length intakes where the band can change based on the engine speed for a wider torque/power band also

That's why Can-Am V8's have huge ones, because their revs for a race engine were relatively low so the "resonance" per se to get the best airflow for peak power was lower

[opaque mulch]

Interesting

Thanks for the info

Everyday we learn something new right?

[short ether]

https://youtu.be/FxJwvIT29EE?t=562

[spiral gyro]

Welp those waves create vortices and these vortices in turn literally seal the floor allowing no exit of air from the sides which is very useful and effective and thus increases the power of ground effect

Nvm you got the video

[viscid shoal]

I just read something on the internet about F1 planning to dump the MGU-H in 2026

they also want to increase electric power of the PU up to 50% of the entire power

[edgy anchor]

Well 350kw

[short ether]

that'll power 2 family saloons along quite nicely

[edgy anchor]

Which is 470bhp

[viscid shoal]

and they said F1 would switch to E-fuels entirely? cuz that sounds a bit untrue to me

is this really the plan?

since that would be a massive step to carbon neutrality

[edgy anchor]

What's the problem with 100% Bios?

[viscid shoal]

I have no problem with them, I just thought that it'd need a major restructuring of the PU

quite surprising to me

[edgy anchor]

Well yes but the massive restructuring would be in other changes also

Afaik they still wanna stick with the 1.6 V6

[viscid shoal]

but with bio fuel now

sounds good to me

[edgy anchor]

Oh yeah

[viscid shoal]

great step forward to become really sustainable

[edgy anchor]

Especially if they find the right mix and don't get too argumentative on refuelling or whatever

[viscid shoal]

would bio fuels with the technology of today and the fuel consumption of this year's cars need refuelling?

[edgy anchor]

Well less that, and more the fact that all the alcohol chains that're used for Fuels have less energy density, and are ran richer

Hence the emphasis on mix

[viscid shoal]

ahh i see

so if one team finds an op mix of fuel it'll go VROOOOOM while the others just go vroom?

[edgy anchor]

Well I assume they'd have moreorless the same mix

But just if you can get it to allow for a good variance in mileage rather than just SAVE FYOOL, SAYV FYOUOL

[viscid shoal]

ah ok

thx for the insight

I feel smarter now

[edgy anchor]

Good

https://twitter.com/JesusTanguis/status/1495466247869255688?t=ryK5vpWcPGr1nCUlaZq76w&s=09

J Tanguis (@JesusTanguis)

Maybe the biggest takeaway is how Ferrari’s design (contrary to popular believe) shows 11% reduction in drag vs the base model (when everyone’s CFD eyes thought the concept was draggy)… The model’s aren’t perfect, but they do help understand what is been trying to achieve https://t.co/7q8OGrP9dr

Twitter · Feb 20, 2022, 6:31 PM

[short ether]

no MGU-H = regular turbos = wastegates actually being used = potentially even better sound

[short ether]

unless you take into account the fact Ethanol is very far from anything "bio" to make

[languid fractal]

Which one here is more draggy

[short ether]

"base"

[edgy anchor]

Wdym?

[short ether]

you can see on the Ferrari model how it's pushing around the air and high pressure out of the rear wheels

[edgy anchor]

In the feed, there's a second pic of the floor, and there's significantly less wake at the abck

[short ether]

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30249

[languid fractal]

I mean which on those two is the draggy one

Or more draggy

[short ether]

it's written

the "base" one

[languid fractal]

Okay

Ohhh I didn't see it

[proven spade]

the vids this guy makes are so good

[edgy anchor]

Well he was an aero geez for Merc until 2020

[languid fractal]

I watch all of his videos about car the car reveals, very informative

[civic fern]

Inb4 lacking downforce like 2019

[edgy anchor]

Ohno

[languid fractal]

Not good

[languid fractal]

But from this read it seems like they will still get downforce, especially at the rear

Might be wrong tho

[short ether]

you can reduce drag but still make good downforce

[languid fractal]

Reading from the f1technical Reddit site seems like this article is not accurate at all.

I'm just basing it on comments tbh😂

[short ether]

it's said that it's an approximate 3D model, so it's just indicative

and it's compared to the generic model, which is likely not the best interpretation of the rules

it does show though that the Ferrari sidepod design could work, instead of everywhere ruling it as looking draggy or unefficient

[languid fractal]

Well at the end of the day we truly know when the cars hit on track

[short ether]

but it more or less looks promising if this is to be believed

yes

[solemn sand]

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30249

full discussion

[deft burrow]

Put more drag on the cars rear to compensate. /s

[civic fern]

Breaking news Sebastian Vettel returns to Ferrari

[gritty parrot]

Missing ventil parts of ferrari?

[graceful tiger]

Yeahh

[primal patrol]

my galactic brain totally understands what's going on in this image

totally

[floral kite]

Yes, this is just advanced colouring in, nothing complicated

[primal patrol]

okay i suppose it's something to do with the outwash coming off the rear wheels or something

[floral kite]

interesting louvres

[gritty parrot]

From where did u get this image?

[floral kite]

F1technical

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1034532#p1034532

[flint wraith]

there's quite a bit common with the ferrari

[spiral gyro]

I mean yeah they do receive few components from Ferrari

[deft burrow]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1495714742379425793

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

Y edte es la comparativa del render de la presentación con el coche que hoy ha rodado en Barcelona.

And this is the comparission between the launch render and the real car that run today in Barcelona.
#F12022 https://t.co/baEWiPOhCm

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Twitter · Feb 21, 2022, 10:59 AM

so basically

We have

The Ferrari-fied Haas, and the actual Haas

[fathom dune]

Is the upper pipe the one that usually acts as the wastegate?

[short ether]

They don't have to run dual wastegate pipes anymore?

[deft burrow]

Detached shark fin

[short ether]

Interesting

[spiral gyro]

Interesting yet weird design

[fallen tulip]

all into one exhaust now

[spiral gyro]

they can run either 1 or 2

[jolly tangle]

To accommodate the louvres on the back, I'm guessing

[spiral gyro]

makes sense

[viscid shoal]

front wing and rear wing seem more T H I C C now

that might be the perspective idk

[fallen phoenix]

.

[merry delta]

and those intakes though

[paper wing]

Congrats @merry delta, you're now on lap 5

[zinc smelt]

Looks like the MCL 36 got some small turning vanes down there

[spiral gyro]

Yep

Nice that you pointed it out

[zinc smelt]

Maybe someone can upscale this

[zinc smelt]

@balmy heath

[balmy heath]

mhm

thats interesting

how small they are

but also looks neat

good outwash probably

[zinc smelt]

yeah, maybe you can upscale it a bit xD

[zinc smelt]

i think that they are trying to seal the floor with them

[balmy heath]

Should I try

[zinc smelt]

Yeah I mean why not

[zinc smelt]

Their siedpod looks crazy

[fair heath]

Oh fuck off

Just a sec

https://fxtwitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1496396095165022212

[zinc smelt]

1: Their sidepod is REALLY interesting
2: Have they got 2 long of those "tings" at the bargeboard

[shy meteor]

Wtf is that RB sidepod

Newey what have you done

[zinc smelt]

We will see, its for shure a completely different aproach

[short ether]

https://twitter.com/f1technical/status/1496406632695312387?s=20&t=jlIIaUtsqoxL-JuBfMJA5g

F1 Technical (@f1technical)

“Today's leader in the "most impressive rake" during winter testing so far is @ScuderiaFerrari , with this one! #F1 #F1Testing @Circuitcat_eng https://t.co/2rKXHzWFhl“

Twitter · Feb 23, 2022, 8:48 AM

https://the-race.com/formula-1/how-f1-2022s-varied-front-wing-designs-work/

[zinc smelt]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1496383153476354048

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

“Primeras fotos de la nueva unidad de potencia Renault del @AlpineF1Team A522 que lleva el turbo dividido.

First pictures of the new Renault Power Unit on the Alpine #A522 with split turbo.
#F12022
👁🏎 https://t.co/ORnUQrd6vi“

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Twitter · Feb 23, 2022, 7:15 AM

[nocturne dock]

owo

[languid fractal]

Why do you guys think merc and Ferrari went for a longer nose than other teams

[spice eagle]

[shy meteor]

RB has the AM nose concept

[languid fractal]

Yeah

[short ether]

well it probably just suits their philosophy better. its about the compatibility of the wing, with the sidepods, with the diffuser. i mean, they all work together, so even if doesnt work, you cant blame one single part. its the combination of all the parts

[languid fractal]

Cool thanks

[blissful apex]

whats the alfa romeos chassie called

[sudden scroll]

C42 apparently

[spice eagle]

i thought this was u @civic hedge

[civic hedge]

smh same pfp

[flint wraith]

me too 💀

same pfp

same role

[spice eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/fb-f-band-i-gdown-gif-23334383

[civic hedge]

i got it first but 😭

no issues with others having it

[spice eagle]

when the guy in the pfp is gr8 several will put it

[mighty quartz]

does anyone know why none of the 2022 cars have these aerodynamic nose fins?

if i remember correctly, they were only used from 2019-2021

[worldly ferry]

why do the new cars have front mud guards now?

[nocturne dock]

those are probably not mud guards lmao

and send pic of what u mean

[short ether]

Does anyone have a video or an explanation to why redbull may have done this

[deft burrow]

They aren't. they help the airflow better over the tyre

[spice eagle]

nope maybe race will have one tomorrow

[short ether]

Yeah it looks so different almost looks as if it's unfinished lol

[nocturne dock]

probably because it is unfinished lol

[short ether]

How do you know that

[vale grove]

I think it measures dirty air

[feral vessel]

Because the 2022 Cars don't have Bargeboards, the Winglets were used to divert the surrounding Airflow and send it to the bargeboards.

[mighty quartz]

are you sure? do you know where i can learn more about it on YouTube or the F1 website?

[vale grove]

I saw a video, when in dirty air, the thing shakes vigorously, but in clean air it stays still

[mighty quartz]

oh, are you able to send me the video?

[vale grove]

I can’t find it sorry

[mighty quartz]

i remember some people said those things were flexing for better performance

[civic fern]

Jeez what is that gigantic undercut

[silent heron]

I think @vale grove is talking about the thin metallic antenna sticking up in front. The wings are used like shawk said to divert air to the bargeboards

[vale grove]

Yeah I forgot the name

[mighty quartz]

ohhh, thanks

[mighty quartz]

thank you

is this entire missing piece called a bargeboard?

or is it something else?

[civic fern]

Yep

Also part of the floor

Apparently half a Red Bull is still a faster car than a full Haas

[vale grove]

Teams such as redbull, ferrari and mclaren have found loopholes in the regulations regarding the front noses - Mercedes and aston martin have chosen not to modify them (as of now)

It is very interesting

Hard to tell for mclaren and alpha tauri, but they’ve altered it

Mercedes, alpine, aston, Williams & haas have made no changes

[tall wyvern]

Loophole how?

[sacred widget]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/szcgk7/redbull_and_ferrari_both_have_thesecuts_in_the/

^ theres where he got it from

[vale grove]

No I got it from sky f1 directly

[tall wyvern]

Meh, not sure detachable nose counts as a loophole, not with regards to performance anyway

[vale grove]

That’s how sky described it

As a loophole in the regulations

Latifi- "the vision is limited"

[nimble fern]

no

[nimble fern]

no

[sudden scroll]

can you expand on your answer?

[feral vessel]

It's a good way to avoid the lengthy process of crash tests while developing the nose for sure

[civic fern]

Sounds like it should be standard then

Consistent crash structure?

[short ether]

why is there wheel fins on the front wheel but not rears?

these things

cant figure out the correct term for them. i forgot

[plush panther]

Simple question, what is the exact purpose of the grates behind the wheels? I know they are for aerodynamic purposes, but are they actively collecting data? Or just there to make the airflow go somewhere

[stark ember]

Not sure if already posted

Wait was already posted, my bad

[plush panther]

[short ether]

For management of airflow around the tyres, not on the rears because they don't matter

[tall wyvern]

They do to the car behind though. Which I imagine is the reason. If you want cars to follow then you don’t want to pull the weird tyre wake downwards into the car behind when the rest of the regs are trying to push wake upwards

[solemn sand]

Iirc the Ferrari f1-75’s wake may not facilitate the same effect

[languid fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/and-i-oop-jasmine-masters-whoa-gif-14100703

[jolly tangle]

Mercedes’ sidepod design looks like it’s taken a lot of inspiration from the 2021 car imo

Very very similar

[edgy anchor]

They're called Aero rakes, and they all have mini pitotubes to measure air speed and pressure in order to see how well the Airflow in real conditions matches their CFD, and by extension how well the package actually performs

[plush panther]

Ah ok

Thanks skippy!

[floral bramble]

Ferraris sidepods

[wanton rampart]

Can the porpoising ever throw a driver out of balance under race conditions?

[nimble fern]

what do you mean by out of balance

I mean i'd imagine they'd maybe get a some headaches due to the shaking

maybe nausea

[wanton rampart]

Like maybe snap oversteer, if the floor is damaged bad enough it could cause driving issues

Oh yeah

[nimble fern]

Oh yeah definitely

floors were being damaged im pretty sure

at testing

[wanton rampart]

That’s strange, I hope it doesn’t creep up in future races as they’re seeing the problems now but I don’t know how they’d fix it

[violet smelt]

haas has the cuts too

[vale grove]

Didn’t see that my bad

I couldnt find a good photo for haas

[gilded steeple]

Haas looks clean without russia marks

They gotta put American stripes now

[bitter quest]

lol still russian then

[plush panther]

Honestly why does that look pretty sick imo

[noble saffron]

Can someone tell me if haas has actually dropped uralkali or have they just removed it because of all the things that are Happening right now?

[violet smelt]

no official statements yet

but Uralkali has been removed from all Haas socials, website, trucks and cars

[noble saffron]

Well i can only see a repeat of 2019 with them not getting payed

I would like to see them get another F2 driver and recive there Sponsors or even someone from a differente motorsport all together and have a team collab

[deft burrow]

I hope they learned from that and made their sponsors pay upfront

[noble saffron]

But that wouldn't be a sponser then

[deft burrow]

You sign the contract with the team and then send the money right then and there for however long it is

[noble saffron]

That would be a like a license to use the sponsor

[deft burrow]

i'm pretty sure some of the teams do this with their sponsors

[noble saffron]

But that's maybe because they did multiple seasons together or they are a decent team

[deft burrow]

Yes it would, they are still paying you money, for their logo to be put on your car as advertisement

[noble saffron]

But in a finacial stand point, sponser's shouldn't do that

What if the team is awful or they screw up every race

[deft burrow]

That's the price you pay for when you sponsor someone

You are taking that risk.

[nocturne dock]

aka every single sponsor that has sponsored haas from 2019 onwards

[deft burrow]

We've seen countless times that smaller teams end up getting fucked over by sponsors because they will pull out mid season, despite having an ongoing contract

then that smaller team has to spend even more money on lawsuits to get compensation which they may never see

[nocturne dock]

williams

[noble saffron]

It would also depent on the type of sponser, if it's a car part sponsor(like rims, race equipment, fuel etc...), they could be spending some of the money they gain, on viewership of ther brand. But if it's a off-topic brand (brand that have low to no impact in F1 like uralkali or rich energy) they would be paying for only viewership, and that risk is, frankly unimaginable for a brand to take

But i get your point

[deft burrow]

the "off-topic" brands are some of the biggest ones you see in F1

AlphaTauri, 1&1, Oracle, Ceva, Gemini, FTX, INEOS, etc

[noble saffron]

But the teams are not really on "on the brim" teams

But for all i know, this season, anyone could have a super car

One team just need to find a loophole somewhere

And Boom! Merc 2.0

[vernal elk]

Do you think any teams will protest the Ferrari sidepods?

I don't see a massive advantage with the curved pods but would it increase dirty air?

[deft burrow]

Not really.

[edgy anchor]

From amateur CFD models it seems to reduce alot of wake drag

[solemn sand]

It seems to not

[dawn sleet]

anyone work in F1 here?

[floral bramble]

Adrian newey written all over this

No idea what this is😂 😂

[plush panther]

The most complex device to make an f1 car be slower, quicker, to be quicker overall

[heady vale]

Brakes i suppose (man made it look like a Double Clutch )

[spiral gyro]

Fr lol

[rich gust]

If any sort of aero device was banned including front wings and rear wings

What sort of implications would it cause to the cars

[floral kite]

it would be a non-aero series

[sudden scroll]

look at Formula Ford

you would just have a chassis on wheels, as one might expect

[twilit spear]

How did F1 not predict the car porpoising

[sudden scroll]

they did

[twilit spear]

they did??

[sudden scroll]

well it was present in the 80s when there was venturi tunnels

[twilit spear]

Why go ahead with a car that is porpoising

[sudden scroll]

there's no reason it wouldn't reappear now

[twilit spear]

but like wouldn't they have driven the car like with the show car or something

to test if shit like that happens

[spiral gyro]

No they haven’t driven a showcar

But driver’s aren’t really reporting any problems like I haven’t heard any driver say it’s really uncomfortable even tho it is but yk what I mean

[noble saffron]

But are the underfloore's durable enough to endure it between races

[spiral gyro]

I mean teams have done full race distances during testing and we haven’t got any news about teams changing floors due to damage

So I’m guessing the floors can take it🤷‍♂️

[noble saffron]

I think that the porpoising is going to be a problem on overtaking

Imagin going behind and right at the moment you turn, the car lift's

[spiral gyro]

Ehh I mean yeah cuz porpoising makes the car unsettled so sudden steering movements (like in overtakes) can cause the car to lose control so drivers need to be careful

[spiral gyro]

Car won’t lift

You’ve still got a lot of downforce from the rear wing

But if you’re following another car the slipstream will reduce the downforce which will also reduce porpoising 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant parcel]

Ferrari's super trippy sidepods

[rich gust]

Back in 2014 the V6s sounded really low pitched

Ever since the past few years they've been getting slightly ever higher

I wonder what changed with the engines for this to happen