did u see the stands?
#f1-technical
pastel falcon
all max fans in one stand merc fans everywhere else
yeah, I heard middle eastern fans like Ham a lot
pastel falcon
im aussie but like i rly like hamilton as a driver
Yeah, heres is the thing, even if you think Max deserves the WDC you have to agree that Ham should have won Yas today
civic fern
Yep. Its not a “could’ve should’ve didn’t” thing when how it ended was literally illegal
pastel falcon
Yep. Its not a “could’ve should’ve didn’t” thing when how it ended was literally...
regs are optional
civic fern
regs are optional
Shit my bad not keeping up with Masi, should’ve known
gilded galleon
gilded galleon
Shit my bad not keeping up with Masi, should’ve known
damn same
crystal shale
regs are optional
This defense is absolutely bonkers to me.
gilded galleon
yea
civic fern
Its a meme
pastel falcon
This defense is absolutely bonkers to me.
IDK how but it is
crystal shale
It's only a meme because people are actually saying it.
gilded galleon
yep
crystal shale
It blows my mind. Lol
civic fern
They’re just messing around
gilded galleon
refreshes twitter
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1470064049077510151?s=20 this is why it should go to the commentators to decide
he did nothing
civic fern
he did nothing
civic fern
I think it was his last gp thats why
And his car broke so he can’t even get donuts like Alonso did
No DoTD interview apparently
pastel falcon
And his car broke so he can’t even get donuts like Alonso did
I forgot about donuts
civic fern
Then again Kimi was probably on an even earlier flight back to Switzerland or Finland
crystal shale
They crazy by definition
pastel falcon
I remember Max would crash and still get DotD
naive thunder
It’s ridiculous
gilded galleon
https://youtu.be/DunWkgRL3eg
thats too funny
time to check #f1｜abu-dhabi-gp
oh my its all red bull
the chat looks like general lodge in the snowsgiving server
pastel falcon
Most of the server is RB tho
When Ham retires they gonna talk about how he was a the GOAT
final tide
final tide
When Ham retires they gonna talk about how he was a the GOAT
i respect ham for all that effort tho
also respect him for not losing his mind and starting some fight post race
civic fern
Lewis took it pretty well tbh
handshake and hug with Max
then again, probably in for a private head in hands session back at the hotel
pastel falcon
I would start throwing hands
The only cars that were able to unlap was between Max and Lewis!
civic fern
specifically as well
spare shadow
Is Masi allowed to let specific drivers pass during sc? Is there any regulations about that?
short ether
Is Masi allowed to let specific drivers pass during sc? Is there any regulations...
No
prisma gust
what are the 48.12 and 48.8 points in reg exactly?
short ether
and yes
spare shadow
So Masi did something illegal. Doesn't that mean HE needs to be penalised.
short ether
Article 48.8 states: “With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits.
spare shadow
Okay ty.
prisma gust
was it a full overtake by verstappen? what is stewards saying
short ether
So Masi did something illegal. Doesn't that mean HE needs to be penalised.
But that also brings the results into disrepute
short ether
was it a full overtake by verstappen? what is stewards saying
nothing yet
vagrant parcel
btw what are merc protesting?
spare shadow
Max 'allegedly overtaking during sc'
and they are protesting against 'the specific cars overtaking during sc'
civic fern
48.12 is about the safety car
spare shadow
Well that regulations wasn't broken.
vagrant parcel
Max 'allegedly overtaking during sc'
huh, intresting, thanks!
civic fern
Well that regulations wasn't broken.
Actually, it was
spare shadow
Actually, it was
But rule 48.12 only applies ''if the messages has been send to ALL teams'', which it hasn't.
Or am I wrong?
civic fern
Or am I wrong?
its very complicated
im no lawyer so i can't really say how this will pan out
but i believe 48.12 refers to the lapped cars in general
but what actually happened was only specific cars were allowed to overtake, and i haven't seen anything about that
civic fern
Actually, it was
but this part, it was definitely not what happened at Abu Dhabi
spare shadow
but i believe 48.12 refers to the lapped cars in general
it states 'send to all cars' so yeah. It will be a difficult 1
the decision on 48.8 has been made. They dismissed the protest.
spare shadow
about the back and forth?
About the 'allegedly overtaking during sc'
tbh that was a shitty protest anyway
civic fern
tbh that was a shitty protest anyway
true. i don't expect 48.12 to be resolved anytime soon
considering how this year has gone out
i wouldn't even be surprised if in a few weeks we find ourselves talking about Mercedes-Benz taking the FIA to CAS
spare shadow
true. i don't expect 48.12 to be resolved anytime soon
decision expected 20. 00
but they will definitely protest again
spare shadow
i wouldn't even be surprised if in a few weeks we find ourselves talking about M...
What Cas?
civic fern
basically the highest court for sports
spare shadow
What time?? Utc
idk, it's expected. it's 20.00 netherlands
19.00 uk
graceful sun
Ok thanks
civic fern
15 minutes until they say nah, Mercedes says nah a bit louder, and it moves up the ladder
spare shadow
I believe after the trophy has been given, it's not possible to return it.
But idk when they will give the trophy
civic fern
FIA Prize Giving Ceremony
it's also the exact same trophy
i.e. it's been sitting in Lewis's closet since the end of 2017
spare shadow
i.e. it's been sitting in Lewis's closet since the end of 2017
Isn't there a new one pr year?
civic fern
nope
spare shadow
Oh jeez.
graceful sun
I believe after the trophy has been given, it's not possible to return it.
I don’t see why not, they have taken away Olympic medals years after the race due to people cheating
civic fern
Nico Rosberg apparently somehow managed to damage it
and thats how it was returned to Lewis in 2017
graceful sun
Vet was dsq after the podium at Hungary
spare shadow
Vet was dsq after the podium at Hungary
Kinda different compared to a wc.
civic fern
this is a world championship on the line
graceful sun
What I’m saying is giving a trophy to another person isn’t that hard to do
spare shadow
No but once it's been awarded there is no way back.
I believe I read that
I don't know when it will be awarded.
civic fern
oh yeah Kimi did give Fisi the trophy from a Brazil race after it was found later that Fisi was ahead
naive thunder
When is the final predicament
civic fern
When is the final predicament
the next "decision"? apparently 11 minutes
overall? who knows
spare shadow
Expected*
graceful sun
Question is let’s say maxes name gets put in the trophy, and merc win appeal will maxes name be erased or does a new trophy need to be made
civic fern
cuz if its still a legal mudwater Mercedes will take it up the ladder
graceful sun
It’s definitely a legal swamp
spare shadow
Question is let’s say maxes name gets put in the trophy, and merc win appeal wil...
No he just won't get it. After it's been awarded the wc will stay the same.
I thought I read it, not sure if it's actually true
civic fern
either way you look at it
its like being 5-0 up in soccer then the ref makes it a 1 shot penalty
then sticks Lewis in the goal
civic fern
and very busy ones for Merc
spare shadow
yup
civic fern
especially the legal division
spare shadow
ye
civic fern
honestly i'd rather be a Merc fan at this point than shitting bricks like RB right now
dont know how but yeah
spare shadow
Hahaaha
I'm verstappen fan.
But it can go either way I guess.
But I'm curious what will happen if merc is right.
Will they rerace, or will they win.
civic fern
i've been a hamilton fan since 2007/2008, when i first looked at F1
the rookie sensation beating Fernando Alonso, losing 2007 by 1 point, then winning 2008 by 1 point on the last corner
spare shadow
I've only started watching since last season. so just still getting into everything.
spare shadow
i've been a hamilton fan since 2007/2008, when i first looked at F1
Long time ago
I was just 1 year old 😂
pastel falcon
Its the safety car overtakes
spare shadow
the rookie sensation beating Fernando Alonso, losing 2007 by 1 point, then winni...
Must've been amazing seasons.
civic fern
yep they were
spare shadow
But do you know whatll happen if merc is right?
will they rerace or will they do something else
civic fern
no idea really
in accordance with 48.12, it seems like the race should've finished under the safety car
i.e. they just take classification from lap 57 since no one can overtake
they could also just do nothing with race results, but send Michael Masi on "vacation time with his family"
spare shadow
i.e. they just take classification from lap 57 since no one can overtake
oeh
that will be really controversial
because rb will try everything to win.
Upcoming days will be exhausting for some people😂
civic fern
that will be really controversial
but had Masi not done his thing, and if we're assuming Merc to be in the right then he shouldn't have, that's how the race would've finished
under the SC
spare shadow
ye probably.
naive thunder
My legs shaking again
spare shadow
Why's that😂
naive thunder
No
spare shadow
No?
naive thunder
Several sources have said
spare shadow
Okay ty
pastel falcon
Masi is brain dead
spare shadow
Can Mercedes go even higher or is it over for them?
civic fern
right, onto a higher court now
spare shadow
Can they?
civic fern
Can Mercedes go even higher or is it over for them?
i don't know for sure, but i highly doubt this is the last option
i guess Mercedes will find out for us soon enough lol
naive thunder
civic fern
“We’ve investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”
crystal shale
Bro... The regulations truly are optional. F1 is a show now not a sport.
feral vessel
@civic fern sorry for the double ping was meant to send a message, but I just remembered this channel is meant for it.
short ether
when do 2022 cars launch
fallen tulip
Thats not how regs work
that's not what happened either though
fallen tulip
when do 2022 cars launch
not soon enough to satisfy the off-season
simple mason
Bro... The regulations truly are optional. F1 is a show now not a sport.
Explain how its not a sport! Do u not understand how physical motorsports are! If anything it has to be one of the most physical sports.
stone laurel
when do 2022 cars launch
Around March 2022
delicate notch
You know how going down the the corner there are like 50 100, 150,200 metres signs on different tyres?
Does that represent how late you can brake on each tyre or is it just for fun
gilded galleon
i think its for the speed you should be going to turn unless ur danny ric in which you can brake at the one that says 50
lol
delicate notch
LMAOO
It’s meters tho
But idk if the tyre colours are just for fun or an actual reason
nocturne dock
tyre colors is to differentiate the compounds
vestal blaze
on the distance markers its probably just for fun
nocturne dock
i guess that helps drivers with their braking points
light island
What's better? Soft compound tires or hard compound tires?
coarse steeple
plus you can use them in slight rain (if they are new and really hot)
nocturne dock
ye
rich gust
Not really technical but I would really like new SC rules if there isn’t enough time to complete the normal unlapping procedure
Such as lapped cars to go to the back of the grid
So as to not interfere with the main race
light island
How does the width of the tires matter?
nocturne dock
wider tyres can get more power down and can improve cornering
graceful sun
Not really technical but I would really like new SC rules if there isn’t enough ...
This is the fia we’re taking about
Nothing will happen
rich gust
Which other motorsports aren’t run by the FIA?
naive thunder
So guys what does the thing Mercedes have posted mean
Are the protesting the the two rejections?
civic fern
What's better? Soft compound tires or hard compound tires?
soft tires: more grip, no durability. great for qualifying, dies in 15 laps during the race, especially if high speed cornering is involved. better for downforce tracks where grip matters more i.e. Monaco
hard tires: less grip, much better durability. great race tire, especially if high speed cornering is involved i.e. Silverstone
on specific cars, that also changes. the Mercedes is generally better than Red Bull when both are on Hards, the Red Bull is generally better than Mercedes when both are on Softs
light island
Is price cap one of the reasons redbull won?
light island
soft tires: more grip, no durability. great for qualifying, dies in 15 laps duri...
Thankyou
civic fern
Is price cap one of the reasons redbull won?
Won’t really know for sure without exact financial data i.e. how much teams spent on this year vs 2022 as well
civic fern
Yeah but how much of it went to this year’s opposed to developing the next gen?
vale inlet
Yes that is correct. Usually, when rule changes are not as major, the developments made throughout a season are usually carried over to the next, as if that whole "era" was just one big "season". Its more like Jenga.
This year they had to do it on two levels (except Haas), where a part of it is spent on the current car's upgrades while the other part is spent on testing and development of the 2022 challenger.
So given such a circumstance, its difficult to say as mentioned above, because we don't know what percentage of the total spending cap was used by teams for upgrading this season's competitor.
steel lily
This is for serious in depth technical discussions about Formula 1
not for silly petitions
steel lily
plus the fact that change.org is a for profit business
it also has no effect on the choices made
vale inlet
Why is Williams not mentioned in the Pirelli 18-inch tyre test?
edgy anchor
Coz they didn't participate in it
vale inlet
Yeah but does anyone know why?
civic fern
they didn't even show up to pre-season testing not very long ago cuz they didn't have a car ready
who knows whats going on over there
calm briar
Umm…
How to build an Grade 1 track?
nocturne dock
make a track and have fia inspect it to see if its safe enuf for f1
unreal schooner
and long enough
vagrant parcel
Yeah but does anyone know why?
The decision was already made in 2020 to not participate as they did not have the financial resources back then to develop a mule car for the tyre test
This was before dorlton took over
Is this a thing still? Or the ones used in the test are the final wheel design
civic fern
Umm…
How to build an Grade 1 track?
Either start out with a classic circuit i.e. Zandvoort, Spa and stick safety barriers and run offs all over it, or build a Tilkedrome
stable trench
just how much are williams hurting themselves by not participating in the 18" test?
civic fern
just how much are williams hurting themselves by not participating in the 18" te...
good luck getting any data for how the car will run
when they build/simulate over the winter
i'm sure the other teams will be generous
flat pebble
Has every team participated in the 18” tests apart from Williams?
sudden scroll
yes, Williams is only doing their junior programme
topaz kraken
Yeah but does anyone know why?
They didn’t build a car suitable for the test
vagrant parcel
ooooo are those LEDs?
vagrant parcel
Awesome
They might be used for sponsor logos?
those LEDs on night races would look awesome
barren stream
why do test cars use green charging lights?
light island
Electric race?
light island
Whys there a speed limit in f1
sudden scroll
Where
languid fractal
So what are some of the advantages to changing the tires to 18 inches
light island
So what are some of the advantages to changing the tires to 18 inches
More friction so you can drift more
languid fractal
More friction so you can drift more
From what I understand drifting is not good for f1
languid fractal
Just better grip overall
Alright
languid fractal
Also less pit time
I don't get this one
light island
You know what's pitting right?
light island
I don't get this one
They don't need to change it as often
languid fractal
You know what's pitting right?
I know , but in my mind when you said less pit , I'm thinking its decreasing the amount of time pits will take
languid fractal
They don't need to change it as often
So less chances for 2 stops
light island
I've been trying to understand this myself too
Ayo this reddit thread explains real good how wider tires wear less https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/9s4055/do_smaller_car_tires_wear_through_their_tread/e8lypv3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
light island
I know , but in my mind when you said less pit , I'm thinking its decreasing the...
Nah it should be the number of times they pit
light island
So less chances for 2 stops
You're right
languid fractal
Ayo this reddit thread explains real good how wider tires wear less https://www....
Let me read
languid fractal
You're right
Neat
half bison
Is the system c1 c2 c3 c4 c5 for the tyres will stay with the 18 inch tyres in 2022 ?
flat pebble
I believe so yes @half bison
flat pebble
So what are some of the advantages to changing the tires to 18 inches
Able to put more power down on the accelerator when going through ‘long’ high speed corners due to increased levels of grip. Should lead to quicker lap times at most tracks.
Can’t see it doing much at street tracks like Monaco, Singapore, Baku etc
Singapore isn’t a street track but you get what I mean. Well I do anyway.
languid fractal
Wait why is Singapore not a street track?
flat pebble
Sorry I’m wrong, not sure why I had it in my head as to why I said it isn’t. It’s literally called Marina Bay Street Circuit ffs lol
stark adder
McLaren was testing LED's on the rims
that's gonna look great.
austere ice
Wait why is Singapore not a street track?
It is
short ether
okay now i’m no tech genius or whatever but why are they getting rid of the mgu-h
austere ice
Yeah
sudden scroll
because it's too expensive, complex
austere ice
Cos of the cost cap
sudden scroll
won't translate into normal cars (very unlikely to, especially now that many governments want to get rid of ICEs)
short ether
oh okay so what are they going to replace it with? or is it just something that doesn’t really need to be there at all?
short ether
okay tysm
austere ice
Np
viral yarrow
i'm pretty damn sure that backmarker cars was made to be hard to handle so the top team knew if the rookie is good
zenith pumice
how does that make any ounce of sense
each team in formula 1 wants to do well, making their car purposely hard to drive is not a way to do that
not to mention, just because a driver does well in one car doesn't mean he'll do the same in another car
sudden scroll
You should be forbidden to post in this channel
feral shale
Pardon my intrusion but unfortunately i do not understand the concept of this so called "reverse grid" and hopefully i can get somewhat of an explanation
jolly tangle
Common in lower formulae. For example in F2, since there is only one qualifying session for three races during a weekend, what they do for the two sprint races is: reversing the Friday qualifying order (top 10) for the starting grid of SR 1, and the depending on the finishing order of SR 1, reversing the order (top 10) again for the starting grid of SR 2
This way, Friday's qualifying order is only used for the feature race on Sunday, and the two races before that are able to use different and more varied starting orders, instead of the same order being used throughout. This is important because F2 is a spec series, meant to provide exciting challenges and racing for up and coming drivers, making their talent the only variable
feral shale
This way, Friday's qualifying order is only used for the feature race on Sunday,...
Thank you so much kind sir
short ether
How much do you think it's actually aero resulting into difficulty in overtaking
What about the tyres? Do you think they play a bigger role?
We didn't have a lot of aero in 1982 with those wingless car if you remember
Overtaking wasn't great tbh. I think there is something we can't pinpoint
edgy anchor
We didn't have a lot of aero in 1982 with those wingless car if you remember
This is straight up false
1978-1982 were some of the highest downforce years up until the 2000's but it was all in the tunnels
The Front Wings just went into contouring that air to move the aero balance forward
short ether
This is straight up false
Ah maybe I got the year wrong. We had those wingless cars in um 84 as well, iirc when Lauda won. Would that he any different? I'm not cherry picking. But just curious af
edgy anchor
... So the wingless cars were in 1982
short ether
Yes and as you say the downforce was massive
edgy anchor
1984 had some of the biggest wings and appendages
short ether
What about later
Ah
I'm going crazy
So the aero for those cars was at its limit back then?
edgy anchor
But because of the skirt and sculpted floors in 1983 they'd began making huge wings to recover that loss especially in the rear where alot of the mass is and well... Power was starting to go through the roof
short ether
Which will not help the gap between the rich and the not so rich teams
edgy anchor
The aero was not really a problem in and of itself, more the fact that the rest of the cars and the drivers at the time couldn't take it
Carbon tubs had just arrived in 1981 with McLaren
short ether
How'd carbon tubs make a difference
edgy anchor
The Suspension was massively stiff in those ground effect cars which'd create skirt porpoising as the suspension couldn't take the small bumps
Oh
Carbon Tubs are just straight up a huge stiffness and rigidity benefit over something like Aluminium while still being lighter
short ether
Oh carbon fibre lol
edgy anchor
So that means you could make it even more rigid and protective for the same mass
short ether
It was under my nose
Yes yes. I had a brain fade
So that's makes it stiffer, which then leads to...?
short ether
And that leads to better opportunities for aero?
Well it was at the pinnacle of its day, so not hard to relate it
edgy anchor
Well the downforce they were making in 1982 for F1 is like... Group C in 1992 or F1 fairly recently
short ether
2014 level?
edgy anchor
Uhhh... I'd presume more 2017
edgy anchor
Or 2008
edgy anchor
2008 best year
edgy anchor
I have a supreme distaste for the visual design of F1 cars from 2009 onward
It's just a thing I have
short ether
Well I'm with you there
I like post 2019 tbh
But 2009-2013
Not a fan
They feel quite big so, that's a minus
edgy anchor
2009-2016 can go in the bin
short ether
Messes the packaging up
edgy anchor
Skinny width, big length, skinny tyres, tall wings... Weirdly plain surfaces with zones of supreme complexity
short ether
It is pick-up truck size haha
edgy anchor
What is?
short ether
Ok thanks for all this. Where and what and how do you usually read up all this
The car size
Size of an American pick up truck
edgy anchor
The car length currently is the biggest it's ever been
short ether
Dodge Ram v W12
Oh yeah I know. That's a bit of a letdown for me. But he it's not boring
edgy anchor
But now at least they have the WIDFF to support that visually anyway
edgy anchor
Width
short ether
Haha
edgy anchor
I'm doing the funny
short ether
Oh dear the joke went over me head
edgy anchor
Also to answer about where to look this all up... Uhhh, Wikipedia, F1Technical, Giorgio Piola, and like... Idk
short ether
Ah ok so you don't consult specific books
edgy anchor
Idk It's the kinda thing I look up and just remember coz it's static number trivia
short ether
Oh yeah for sure. for sure. I, well, I am getting there. I'm happy there's quite a shit load to read up tbh
Cool ty again. Have a good one
edgy anchor
I'm more into Engine stuff myself but... I'm not exactly uneducated Aero wise coz muh design
short ether
Ah nice so you're an engineer? Or training to be one?
edgy anchor
I'd like to say so but currently I've just been working at Five Guy's so like... Nawh
I have two motorsport diplomas under my belt and I was accepted for mclaren work experience but that got called off coz of COVID
rich gust
If 2000 f1 technical rules were used next year how different would the cars look like
sudden scroll
we'd get back to high noses
weary thicket
edgy anchor
We'd yave high noses, more flexible aero, better looking cars More even spread of aero devices across the entire car coz none of them are banned
Like what? 1,100bhp 3L V10's?
Like extremely high revving, 1,100bhp 3L V10's that weigh sub 80kg
slim tundra
just use octane boosters 🙄
edgy anchor
...
Yeah
... If 2000 regulations were used today
You'd think we'd have 2000 technology?
edgy anchor
Like we tryna get them megawatt V10's brah
edgy anchor
just use octane boosters 🙄
ILLEGAL
civic fern
Well, based on wikipedia the Mercedes V10 was ~700 in 1996 and 930 by 2005. Even assuming linear progress we’d get 1160 by 2015. But its highly unlikely to be linear
edgy anchor
I assume over time the progression would get less and less
And kinda even out at around well... 1,200
Which is hardly an issue
civic fern
I assume over time the progression would get less and less
That may be true in another era
Where technology is stagnant compared to the last 10 years
Look at the V6s for example. The PUs are doing over 1000 hp with a fixed fuel flow rate about half of what it was in 2000
The ICU contribution is about 800
The main limiter is the fuel flow rate
You’d probably get 1200 instantly just by opening the tap, out of a V6 turbo
edgy anchor
... Yes but what was the power contribution from the V6 in 2014 vs. Now
civic fern
2014? About 700 total
edgy anchor
And can this be applied to 2000 specs considering Forced Induction is OP regardless
Damn maybe even a 200bhp gain in 6 years? Cash
civic fern
In 2014 the V6t was about the same as the V8s in power output
edgy anchor
Yeah and you had the hybrid on top
sudden scroll
Way more than 1100
not so sure about this
but the engine research would have been steered into the lightweight alloy direction i suppose
civic fern
but the engine research would have been steered into the lightweight alloy direc...
well, no one really knows the domino effect
its one thing to say "what if" but the consequences beyond the first "step" is anyones guess
sudden scroll
Yes you're right
feral vessel
How much would be the power difference if the FIA didn't ban the use of exotic materials in engine construction ?
halcyon forge
https://interestingengineering.com/7-important-f1-safety-equipment-that-keep-drivers-alive
How many of these did you know?
plush panther
All of them (that are true) 
languid fractal
https://interestingengineering.com/7-important-f1-safety-equipment-that-keep-dri...
5 at least
Btw what do they mean by a pointy nose
orchid plume
They can absorb better the impact if I'm not wrong
granite tundra
https://interestingengineering.com/7-important-f1-safety-equipment-that-keep-dri...
fibreglass bulkheads???
tecpro isn't a type of guardrail
the current FIA helmet standard is 8860-2018, not 8860-2004
what a terrible article
also the bulkheads aren't there for fireproofing
????
sudden scroll
lol what
feral vessel
looks like the Writer of the article is hoodwinked on that matter
celest cypress
wow
yep sc is now long as fuck
Introducing the new Official ~~Medical ~~Safety car
vale inlet
If that's SC, what's the Medical Car?
Mercedes G-wagon?
spark sleet
If that's SC, what's the Medical Car?
Mercedes G-wagon?
Probably....
opaque mulch
Guys, do any of you have a real full engine blueprint lying around their pcs? Doesn't need to be from an F1 (tho pretty sure they are not public)
upper ivy
If that's SC, what's the Medical Car?
Mercedes G-wagon?
C63 AMG but honestly G-wagon would fit with the Aston Medical car being an suv
calm briar
I was made the Street Circuit for Hong Kong, I hope everyone discussing to make this track more perfectly for F1.
short ether
I was made the Street Circuit for Hong Kong, I hope everyone discussing to make ...
Nice work. Could you detail the sectors ?
calm briar
Well
I add Turn 1-3 on Sector 1 to prevent caused a huge incident as brake failure before turn 4
Turn 6 and 7 have runoff area
Sector 1,3 is Cruise Terminal (Original Airport) area
Sector 2 is resident area
I build this track because there will have "Monaco One" will be built in Kai Tak resident area which the building with F1 concept.
However, there is no F1 race.
So, I build this track and thinking organise F1 at 1 week before/after Macau Grand Prix, it will increase tourists in Hong Kong and Macau.
Monaco One website:
https://www.monacoone.hk/
mighty horizon
Hello to everyone, i'm kind of new to the formula 1 , i'm reading a book about it that talk mainly about the aerodynamics of the formula 1, i wonder if there is a good book talking about many cars of formula 1 in a more technical way, by introducing even the engines changes over the time and the evolution of the mechanics side
Anyone have any idea about a book that talk about this stuff? I feel really charmed from the formula 1 cars even if I really don't care much about the races, the pilots and their championship, but I really enjoy reading about the cars of formula
sudden scroll
hmm no, most of the books i've read were about aero more than engines
short ether
I was made the Street Circuit for Hong Kong, I hope everyone discussing to make ...
isn’t turn 7 two turns?
mighty horizon
hmm no, most of the books i've read were about aero more than engines
That's the point, they mostly about aero, but there are a lot of other things that the formula 1 cars have evolved and innovate
feral vessel
"How to Make a Formula 1 car" by Adrian Newey is a book you might like
vestal blaze
rent free
weary thicket
That’s creepy and funny at the same time
plush panther
I was made the Street Circuit for Hong Kong, I hope everyone discussing to make ...
That drs #1 is massive
vale inlet
I was made the Street Circuit for Hong Kong, I hope everyone discussing to make ...
I think the pit exit having two sharp corners isn't really a good idea for cars coming out with cold unscrubbed tyres.
Other than that, its a sick track.
clear onyx
If that's SC, what's the Medical Car?
Mercedes G-wagon?
that'd suck. In the earlier days it was the magnificent c63 amg estate
clear onyx
"How to Make a Formula 1 car" by Adrian Newey is a book you might like
read it. So cool.
clear onyx
C63 AMG but honestly G-wagon would fit with the Aston Medical car being an suv
imagine if aston med car was the aston martin vanquish zagato sb
wagons at speed and drifting, making obnoxious sounds is very cool
short ether
so I was looking some videos about 2022 and i realised that we may have some very fast cars.i wonder what will happen with the noses and wings hopefully we see faster laps and better racing. waht is your opinion on 2022?
rugged shale
so I was looking some videos about 2022 and i realised that we may have some ver...
They might be fast, but are they 2016 fast?
short ether
They might be fast, but are they 2016 fast?
they say that 0.5 behind current cars in delta but the teams will do better
rugged shale
Eventually f1 is gonna have max horsepower of 1 jesus
I get the point of regs being used to make cars safer but this is obsurd.
languid meteor
What does BBall offset means?? BTW idk how to write bball sry
zenith pumice
What does BBall offset means?? BTW idk how to write bball sry
bbal is short for “brake balance”
it changes the distribution of braking from the front or rear wheels
for example, a front bbal means that the front brakes are doing more work than the rear brakes
a rear bbal means the rear brakes are doing more work than the front brakes
civic fern
They might be fast, but are they 2016 fast?
wdym 2016 fast?
are you talking about straight line only?
rugged shale
2016 cars had more straightline speed than now
rugged shale
By like 40km right
rugged shale
i don't think 2022 is gonna be that fast in straight line
Sad. Wish we could go back to the good days
civic fern
well, its more about the fact that the narrower cars produced less drag
simply because less surface area
unless you intended to mention 2009-2016 as the good days lol
i'm still lowkey surprised the 2016 cars are the fastest top speed wise
typically hybrids are shit at top speed because when you're flat out, you can't charge the battery so it's just dead weight
then again, it kinda makes sense because F1 tracks aren't infinite straights, so the better acceleration of the hybrid actually gets it up to speed much quicker. combined with the lower downforce/drag package of the narrow F1s (even compared to 2009-2013) and thats how it beats even wide 2005 V10s
nocturne dock
They might be fast, but are they 2016 fast?
no
sudden scroll
typically hybrids are shit at top speed because when you're flat out, you can't ...
Deploy the energy in the straight?
languid fractal
Well i think it might be according to binotto, 22 will be faster in the high speed corners
edgy anchor
With the amount of downforce made underbody wise with the less draggy bodies it makes sense
edgy anchor
then again, it kinda makes sense because F1 tracks aren't infinite straights, so...
Also... How it beats even wider 2005 V10's? Huh?
clear onyx
Do F1 cars have a double clutch trans or a sequential automated system
languid meteor
bbal is short for “brake balance”
thx
civic fern
Deploy the energy in the straight?
In the acceleration phase, yes. How long it lasts will depend on how much was stored in the battery. But if it runs out before the end of the straight, your ICE is dragging along a dead weight empty battery. Thats an issue the Porsche 918 had at the Nurburgring, the battery didn’t last long enough on a full flying lap
civic fern
Also... How it beats even wider 2005 V10's? Huh?
Nevermind. I just looked at Bottas’s top speed record but it was Baku, and that wasn’t on the calendar in 2005
edgy anchor
But I got confused coz 2016 and 2005 had the same width
Also I thought the record was at Mexico... Odd
nocturne dock
he had the record in mexico but then beat it in baku
zenith pumice
Bottas has achieved many blistering speeds in his Williams
366 at Monza is the one that comes to mind
vale pike
he had the record in mexico but then beat it in baku
No, the mexico one was set during a race, the baku one was not.
edgy anchor
Where's muh 386
clear onyx
Do F1 cars have a double clutch trans or a sequential automated system
gib answer bro
sudden scroll
What has Google told you
jolly tangle
I believe they use a highly automated sequential gearbox system which allows the driver to shift seamlessly with ease. The steering wheel on a F1 car has two gear levers, one for upshifting and the other for downshifting, along with two clutch levers.
A dual clutch system, while fast, is not as fast as a F1 sequential. With a dual clutch system, there is a clutch engaging and releasing during a gear shift. In a F1 sequential, gears are selected without a disconnect in power from the engine. In laymen's terms, basically, the next gear is just "slammed" into position.
But to dive a little bit more into the issue, I believe the specific type, is a purpose-built non-synchromesh transmission with dog clutch engagement (a type of sequential gearbox system).
You can look it up on Google for more comprehensive answers.
nocturne dock
tldr complicated as hell
jolly tangle
TLDR: A purpose-built non-synchromesh transmission with dog clutch engagement, which is a type of sequential gearbox system.
clear onyx
A dual clutch system, while fast, is not as fast as a F1 sequential. With a dual...
I believe its also single clutch because dct's are unnecessarily heavy
and I think they figured out how to get dct-fast shifts by carefully controlling the dogring engagement
jolly tangle
I believe its also single clutch because dct's are unnecessarily heavy
Yeah, precisely
silent heron
It has arrived
sudden scroll
Enjoy, it's a good read with a good mix between technical aspects and just stories he experienced
celest cypress
It has arrived
the great christmas gift for ferrari
civic fern
It has arrived
Noice, i finished it on Monday
Its really funny in some parts
Get ready for a recurring villain Michael Schumacher 
naive thunder
Should F1 cars have nitrous?
steel lily
Should F1 cars have nitrous?
Do you know what nitrous does, technically?
naive thunder
Do you know what nitrous does, technically?
Makes u go vroom vroom
steel lily
Makes u go vroom vroom
What it actually does is cool the air entering the engine, this makes it denser and allows you to put more fuel in as well, this is how it helps you produce more power
Basically what the Mercedes intake plenum does already
It also doesn't explode at all
weary thicket
Should F1 cars have nitrous?
Hell yeah replace drs with nitro and call it super drs and allow it on every part of the track instead of enabling it on drs parts
Would it be dangerous maybe
Will it be fun hell yeah
steel lily
Hell yeah replace drs with nitro and call it super drs and allow it on every par...
It would just act like the hybrid system currently, and it would wear the engine significantly more.
Drs is a better solution
steel lily
Would it be dangerous maybe
Will it be fun hell yeah
Wouldn't be very dangerous, it would only provide slightly more power as the engines are running within very tight tolerances
Teams wouldn't use it because it would hurt reliability
steel lily
Hell yeah replace drs with nitro and call it super drs and allow it on every par...
Another issue, DRS stands for Drag Reduction System, nitrous oxide would not do any of that
zenith pumice
why's alpine's airbox so thicc
chilly oyster
could an f1 car make someone survive a plane crash? 💀
zenith pumice
moved radiators to the top
is there any significant benefit to that?
vagrant leaf
why's alpine's airbox so thicc
Thicc? I never saw it
feral vessel
is there any significant benefit to that?
Yes, because they've slimmed the side pods, which creates a larger opening above and below as well as additional floor space to channel more air around the outside of the sidepod.
and when the sidepod air outlets are smaller, it leaves a lot more room low above the car's floor for clean airflow.
but it compromises the centre of gravity of the car as well.
fallen tulip
wide
ornate bough
February
naive thunder
Ok
ornate bough
I think
unborn gazelle
feb 18 for ferrari
nocturne dock
could an f1 car make someone survive a plane crash? 💀
f1 cars are really strong but not that strong
zenith pumice
and when the sidepod air outlets are smaller, it leaves a lot more room low abov...
you'd think that would make them faster 
oh well, it's all part of El Plan
chilly oyster
f1 cars are really strong but not that strong
i will really reserach that because the drivers walk away from some big crashes
nocturne dock
plane crashes are alot bigger than massive f1 crashes
silent heron
Softer --> Better on bumpy tracks
Stiffer --> More stable and balanced in braking, cornering...
chilly oyster
plane crashes are alot bigger than massive f1 crashes
people even survive some tho
imagine if in a fancy seat with a helmet, hans halo etc
at least would inprove their chances or something
nocturne dock
people even survive some tho
true but rare
chilly oyster
yessir
chilly oyster
imagine if in a fancy seat with a helmet, hans **halo** etc
could be less rare?
idk
nocturne dock
maybe
dense kayak
how does brake bias affect how the car feels while driving it?? like i know it moves braking to the rear but how does that help? does it make it feel less/more understeery or oversteery?
cos i see all mercedes quali laps and they keep changing the damn bbias by like 2 percent and wonder if its that important
celest cypress
why is drs open so damn fast and when i saw the onboard and i didnt see any button pressed
is it programmed
cursive wraith
how does brake bias affect how the car feels while driving it?? like i know it m...
A more rear bb would make the car really unstable and oversteery
But a front bb would make it more stable under braking and essentially a shorter braking distance but more prone to lockups
nocturne dock
why is drs open so damn fast and when i saw the onboard and i didnt see any butt...
drs is opened and closed via hydraulics and the button is most likely a paddle behind the wheel
dense kayak
But a front bb would make it more stable under braking and essentially a shorter...
so why does it matter to change from 55 bb to 57 bb on quali laps?
does it actually make a huge difference
cursive wraith
so why does it matter to change from 55 bb to 57 bb on quali laps?
Well probs to improve braking stabilty for that particular corner
zenith pumice
so why does it matter to change from 55 bb to 57 bb on quali laps?
it’s formula 1, obviously if that corner seems to be faster with a 57% bb rather than a 55% bb, the driver will make the change from 55 to 57
viral yarrow
does it actually make a huge difference
because the tyre is fresh? 😳
nocturne dock
no lol
granite moss
drs is opened and closed via hydraulics and the button is most likely a paddle b...
some drivers use a paddle above the shift paddles, but some drivers such as lewis use a button on the front of wheel
radiant dagger
does anyone here work/has worked in F1 before?
teal forge
Theoretically, is it possible to put the wets or inters on a road car tire? If so, which would last longer for purposes of what one would do with a normal car? Especially because now they are 18 inches, so i think there will be sedans with tires that size. I mean this with utmost seriousness bc if it can, I wanna gift it to friends.
zenith pumice
does anyone here work/has worked in F1 before?
there's members with the "F1 Affiliated" role
civic fern
Theoretically, is it possible to put the wets or inters on a road car tire? If s...
What do you mean?
Are you trying to tire swap with a road car?
teal forge
I want to put wets or inters on a road car. Ik the slicks wont work, so i was wondering if its possible to use the wets or inters
teal forge
Are you trying to tire swap with a road car?
So yes ig
civic fern
From a theoretical standpoint, the full wets because they have grooves and are easiest to get up to temperature
From a practical standpoint….I highly doubt they’ll fit any road car
F1 tires are huge
teal forge
From a practical standpoint….I highly doubt they’ll fit any road car
They are 18 inches from this year
civic fern
Width
civic fern
@teal forge the McLaren Senna for example has 8 inch front wheels and 10 inch rears
F1’s front tires are 12 inches wide
Rears are about 16.
teal forge
<@!642917890487484465> the McLaren Senna for example has 8 inch front wheels and...
good point okay
this is what i found : "A standard sized tire will be displayed in inches. A tire that reads 33 x 12.5 R15, is 33-inches in diameter (or tall), 12.5-inches wide, and will fit a 15-inch wheel."
so it may or may not work depending on the car specs
civic fern
This is what it would look like if you somehow managed to get the F1 wheel to fit the road car’s wheel nut assembly
teal forge
damn nice visual
civic fern
Its from GTA, people managed to glitch F1 wheels onto normal road cars
Its accurate enough as a visual here lol
sudden scroll
I want to put wets or inters on a road car. Ik the slicks wont work, so i was wo...
They'd be way too soft for any practical use
granite tundra
i'll go a step further and say it's an unbelievably terrible idea
DONT try to put f1 tyres (or any actual race tyre) on a road car..
nocturne dock
put f3 tyres on a road car
viral yarrow
i'll go a step further and say it's an unbelievably terrible idea
ofc it ain't durable enough for daily driving
any visual on the new 2022 car
nocturne dock
any visual on the new 2022 car
no
fickle raft
The 18" tyres should be even better in evacuating standing water from a track, right?
nocturne dock
idk
short ether
The 18" tyres should be even better in evacuating standing water from a track, r...
Well that will depend upon the other factors like the grooves
What I'm curious about is that whether the spray would be equally bad or not
vernal elk
So I'm confused on what teams can change engine wise this off season. Is it only reliability?
frozen bolt
Alfa Romeo was about to get Merc engine
nocturne dock
lmao no
fickle raft
So I'm confused on what teams can change engine wise this off season. Is it only...
No. They have to modify their 2021 ICEs because the fuel is changing.
After that, they have one more upgrade that they can make before September. Then it's frozen till 2026, iirc.
pliant canyon
Hello guys, can somebody please explain the difference between the parts of an F1 power unit? Im quite interested to know more about that but I have absolutely no idea what is (for example) ICE or MGU-H for
short ether
Hello guys, can somebody please explain the difference between the parts of an F...
ICE = internal combustion engine, takes fuel and air and goes BOOM to make power
turbo = takes exhaust gases to spin up a turbine that pushes extra air into the ICE
MGU-H = motor generator unit - heat. captures some thermal energy from the ICE and turns it into electrical powa
MGU-K = motor generator unit - kinetic. same as before but with braking power instead
CE = control electronics. link batteries to motors
ES = energy store. batteries
pliant canyon
ICE = internal combustion engine, takes fuel and air and goes BOOM to make power...
Simply and neatly explained, thanks a lot 
zenith pumice
takes fuel and air and goes BOOM to make power
civic fern
Is it faster to take a V line or U line in a high downforce car (i.e. grip goes up with speed)
vernal elk
No. They have to modify their 2021 ICEs because the fuel is changing.
Do you think they will gain or loose power due to the new fuel? Its E10 now correct?
languid fractal
Is it faster to take a V line or U line in a high downforce car (i.e. grip goes ...
U line?
I think
I'm going with U-line
viscid shoal
Is it faster to take a V line or U line in a high downforce car (i.e. grip goes ...
If we are talking about a hairpin, then the U-line it probably is
since you are able to keep up more speed throughout the corner
civic fern
Thats what i thought as well
Since U line has a higher minimum speed than V line and high downforce should raise said min speed
But then Sebastian Vettel takes the V line during the RB days
In cars like the RB6
civic fern
If we are talking about a hairpin, then the U-line it probably is
Look at the lines Vettel and Hamilton take at Brooklands
Vettel does the V and takes a 2nd apex
Hamilton simply has one apex in the middle, like traditional racing/karting line
zenith pumice
Is it faster to take a V line or U line in a high downforce car (i.e. grip goes ...
U line
plush panther
Ok, I’ve got an interesting question: are bargeboards basically “simulated” into reality? Or are they hand designed?
zenith pumice
I don’t think any part of the f1 car is hand designed
fickle raft
Do you think they will gain or loose power due to the new fuel? Its E10 now corr...
E10, yes. Binotto in a recent interview said that everyone has lost close to 25-30hp due to the ICE modifications and now they are working to recover that loss.
So, they have lost power. It's about how much they can gain back before the start of the next season
gleaming cape
The ice freeze is also coming up right
nocturne dock
yea rn
gleaming cape
Yep
Next season will basically set who has the best engine
For the next 3 seasons I think
naive lake
Can anyone explain why the diffuser of the McLaren was so innovative in Bahrain?
wispy gorge
Taken from LinkedIn
short ether
what do you guys think about turbo hybrid 2L V8 15000 rpm with beefed up MGU-K and no MGU-H ?? would that be a good choice for a next f1 PU ??
sudden scroll
why do you want more pistons and more displacement
short ether
why do you want more pistons and more displacement
VRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
sudden scroll
uhagd
short ether
I dont hate the current PU I like them actually, but louder PUs would be nice
if the removal of the MGU-H makes them louder then that's enough I suppose
civic fern
I dont hate the current PU I like them actually, but louder PUs would be nice
they're actually quite loud irl
short ether
they're actually quite loud irl
as long as the f2 and f3 cars are louder than the F1s, imma have an issue with it
not as loud as a screaming V10
bruh even the V8s when they drove by they would bang ur chest
civic fern
not as loud as a screaming V10
are you watching on TV or watching at a race track lol
short ether
are you watching on TV or watching at a race track lol
I watch on TV
teal oasis
F2 and 3 cars sound better than the f1 cars irl
civic fern
I watch on TV
then the issue isn't the engine volume
they could just amplify the feed they're getting from the engine mic
and it'll be louder
short ether
then the issue isn't the engine volume
I know that they sound better on the track
short ether
they could just amplify the feed they're getting from the engine mic
yeah that's a good idea
civic fern
its the engine noise most people have gripes with
not the actual volume
12000 rpm isn't 18000
teal oasis
The exhaust mic sounds the best on tv
short ether
OK I see
teal oasis
short ether
if the engines arent giving me arrhythmia im not happy
short ether
https://youtu.be/_Lrg3_5Mb6M
it sound really good not gonna lie,I like the honda sound, but its no where near as good as a screaming V10
sudden scroll
they're actually quite loud irl
no they're not
they're really quiet, i didn't feel like i needed earplugs when i was at the track
still put them on, obviously
civic fern
still put them on, obviously
you put on earplugs for something you don't think is loud?
sudden scroll
F2 was way louder than F1 then, it was in 2017 when they had the 4L NA engine
it's less tiresome cause it was still reasonably loud, but not deafening like i expect V10 or V8 F1 eras to sound like
civic fern
comparatively yeah they're not as window shatteringly loud as V12/V10/V8
but 130 decibels still 130 decibels
civic fern
well, that depends on how far you are from the track
until eventually it's just the volume on your TV
sudden scroll
around here, GA Turn 4. between the two small roads iirc
but then this weekend we also tried some grandstands during practice and still not very loud
my point being: they're not too quiet
short ether
for me they are
they aren't anywhere near as visceral as they used to be and it takes away from the track experience
elfin plank
I went to Silverstone practice session to see the WEC cars, it was a few years ago (2015). The loudest cars were the gt cars, I remember the Aston Martin was so loud it was actually painful to hear it but then again I was very close to the track (in front of the pits, can’t remember the names of the turns lol). I never went to see an F1 at a track before but I went to the sauber factory a while back when it was still bmw sauber and they started the engine (it was behind a glass wall btw), I was very young back then but I remember I needed earplugs because the sound was so loud. I wonder if the sounds of todays F1 car match the same amount of volume?
short ether
I went to Silverstone practice session to see the WEC cars, it was a few years a...
no to either
source: been to V8 F1 races, WEC & ELMS races and multiple others
elfin plank
Interesting stuff
WEC cars are monstrous, they’re unforgettable for sure.
I’d really love to go to Le Mans one day to see the race
granite tundra
as much as i love the v6s, they sound like complete and utter shit
having done v10, v8 & v6 f1, le mans, and a stupid amount of other races
the turbo hybrids just sound terrible
clear vine
I only know the utter basics of all the breaking settings so can anyone explain break magic to me in greater detail
edgy anchor
12000 rpm isn't 18000
12,000 with certain vibes are still cash... Y'all heard a DTM V6?
Also btw I'd be perfectly fine with having a lower volume to get a better tone
plush panther
does anyone know the exact weight of the front and rear wheels, with the tyres and all?
i was watching a pitstop and they just seemed to be throwing them around like they weighed 20 pounds but they obviously aren't that light
fickle raft
does anyone know the exact weight of the front and rear wheels, with the tyres a...
excluding the wheel rims, the front and rear tyres weigh 9.5kg and 11.5kg respectively
plush panther
the wheel rims?
fickle raft
the wheel rims?
not sure how heavy the wheel rims are.
fickle raft
but what is a "wheel rim"
It's like a connection between the tyre and the chassis
plush panther
the tyre doesnt connect to the chassis?
the wheel does?
the wheel rim holds the tyre on
fickle raft
the wheel rim holds the tyre on
yes basically that.
plush panther
fickle raft
they are obviously a little more complex than that. Very optimized devices.
I remember Mercedes had some warnings from the FIA regarding their wheel rims in... 2017? Or 2018
wary robin
I remember Mercedes had some warnings from the FIA regarding their wheel rims in...
Do you know what about their rims wasn’t accepted by the fia?
Nevermind, found it. Some holes that were potentially moveable aerodynamic devices
sudden scroll
<:willmao:680360271801352192>
This is a serious channel and i was asking a serious question
plush panther
im sorry
zenith pumice
I went to Silverstone practice session to see the WEC cars, it was a few years a...
V8 and V10 era F1 was super loud, like if you were close to the cars you had to wear ear protection. f1 cars with the V6H engines today don’t come near that level of volume
source: been to V8 and V6H f1 races, seen and heard WEC/LMP cars, and my dad’s been to old F1 races in the 90s and 00s when the V10s ran
plush panther
This is a serious channel and i was asking a serious question
but in a serious view, people seem to want more cylinders or larger engines because they believe it would make the racing more interesting and/or faster, but we have already had larger engines, and the new regs should allow for tighter racing than we have seen in a long time, so I believe that, although the cars may not sound their best, the turbo-hybrid v6 engines should stay
naive lake
https://twitter.com/racingtech5/status/1370282868732264448?s=20
Thank you
feral vessel
I remember Mercedes had some warnings from the FIA regarding their wheel rims in...
I remember that as well, because they found a way to mange their tyre temperature through that design, but I remember there was only a protest lodged by Ferrari about that matter, The FIA deemed it legal.
nocturne dock
ferrari protests about everything
edgy anchor
But Ferrari seemed to be the only one beaned by rule bending
clear vine
What’s is Charlie/driver default (insert number whatever)
short ether
What’s is Charlie/driver default (insert number whatever)
charlie is just the letter C
driver default i think is another way to say chassis default
those are settings on the steering wheel
to do specific thingies, usually disabling some sensors that failed
for example in abu dhabi mercedes told bottas to go to chassis default 77 which then displayed a message on his dash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSNc9nbAtk
"kiitos valtteri"
civic fern
ferrari protests about everything
I read Newey’s book
Ferrari couldn’t get their copy to work, so naturally they protest it
I dont blame them but its still funny
clear vine
for example in abu dhabi mercedes told bottas to go to chassis default 77 which ...
I saw this
zenith pumice
the reason we have [negative frontal] camber is for better handling. when a tyre goes through a turn, forces act upon it (like they do for everything) but in this case it’ll be centrifugal force which pushes the tyre outward. if a car has negative camber angle like formula 1 cars do and it goes through, let’s say a right turn, then the force of the turn is on the left tyre. this pushes the left tyre outward and causes it to straighten itself out, hence allowing for more grip and better handling through the turn. it also has the added benefit of less wear on the tyres.
the reason that we have front camber on formula 1 cars is due to that reason: better handling. why do we not have extreme camber angles on rear wheels? simple, it’s because they need to grip more of the time, rather than just in the corners like the front wheels. the rear wheels are the ones that put the power down, and so they need to grip everywhere on the track and around a lap.
if, let’s say, an f1 car had more rear camber than frontal camber, then that would mean that the rear tyres are less grippy on the straights, hence you’re not able to get the power down and go as fast. in fact, you’d probably loose a lot, and I mean a lot of time on the straights.
sudden scroll
there are some engineers
zenith pumice
the Honda PU does not have VTEC
looking through the regulations, it’s also banned
5.7.2 Variable valve timing and variable valve lift profile systems are not permitted.
and since VTEC is a variable valve timing system, it’s not allowed
plus, I doubt it’d be too much of a benefit to F1 race engines
sudden scroll
reminder: the link to the regulations on the FIA website is pinned
zenith pumice
yeah just do crtl + f
type in "variable"
see if it's allowed or not
sudden scroll
there's like 10 results, so it's not too difficult to browse through them and stumble upon the alinea you quoted
zenith pumice
yep
reef creek
Can someone explain to me senna’s throttle technique, and why he did it?
I heard it was something about keeping the turbo spooled but idk
steel lily
Blipping the throttle would keep the turbo spooled and prevent the large turbo lag of the eras cars
sudden scroll
doesn't it also works very well in wet conditions?
edgy lake
civic fern
That sounds like an unbalanced car in general
silent heron
I think a stiffer suspension helps with keeping the tyre where it needs to be, but doesn't it offer less grip than a softer suspension as a softer suspension is better at keeping tyres on the ground offering more grip on irregular surfaces?
slender wagon
I'm still learning, but I believe TLLTD might help you there. Changing front and rear suspension stiffness (rather, wheel rates) will give the vehicle either more understeering or oversteering characteristics.
silent heron
I think a stiffer suspension helps with keeping the tyre where it needs to be, b...
it all depends on the track really. But in general a slightly stiffer suspension is better I assume.
civic fern
Stiffer suspension = can run more downforce without slamming the car into the ground at high speed
But worse over bumps
So on race tracks you see stiffer suspension, and on street circuits you see softer for better stability over bumps
Its also a point in road cars. On cars like Ferrari 488 or McLaren 720S you get a Race mode etc
It lowers the car, makes the aero more aggressive and stiffens the suspension, and is directly faster on a track. But then you drive over a pothole in the street and its a disaster
silent heron
Hope this helps
sorry for the bad drawing
haven't talked about how the driver feels the car, but I think that's pretty obvious
civic fern
Why does the softer suspension exert more force on the wheels? (Top right)
vivid comet
dampening is essentially stopping the suspension from bouncing up and down after hitting a bump
without dampers, every time the car hits a bump or suddenly moves, the suspension would bounce up and down on its own
if you've ever flicked one of those springy door stoppers, it's a similar effect
^ this is what you want not to happen, and what dampers/shock absorbers prevent
silent heron
Why does the softer suspension exert more force on the wheels? (Top right)
Now that I think about it I might be wrong.
short ether
I think they have this for wind tunnels
languid fractal
Interesting
upper ivy
Didnt Vind even provide those pictures
edgy anchor
Yeah it's like an FIA model but Merc badged
8 doubt this'd show anything detailed that Mercedes want
upper ivy
Do teams even have their car fully built at this point?
edgy anchor
They might, because of the amount of time they have
But every day they're probably tweaking bits
sudden scroll
i don't expect many teams to have their cars fully built now
sudden scroll
look how much time before pre-season testing
upper ivy
Id imagine the monocoques are done early because they take the most time
upper ivy
Top sidepod vents
What do you mean?
edgy anchor
Ghose look like twin sidepod intakes
The main ones and then a top one beneath the mirror
Oh wait they're blocks.. M
sudden scroll
if they did it right, these new regs won't allow for much creativity by teams
they feel there was too much legroom for teams in 2009
edgy anchor
2009? Ew
short ether
if they did it right, these new regs won't allow for much creativity by teams
yes, but people also keep reiterating it almost as if f1 is turning into a spec series
silent heron
Do teams even have their car fully built at this point?
yes or at least some
if they are already doing crash tests
silent heron
look how much time before pre-season testing
I mean.. it's a month and a half, I don't know what they can find to be new in regulations, draw it, build it, wind-tunnel test it, crash test it and implement it in the final version
granite tundra
if they are already doing crash tests
you dont crash test fully built cars
silent heron
yeah but there are teams who have completed all crash tests
so they must have almost or all car built
graceful sun
No you just do the tub
granite tundra
only ferrari have apparently homologated the nose and tub
that doesn't translate to a built car or even a finalised design
silent heron
oh ok
upper ivy
I think the nose can even be tested without the monocoque?
plain heath
anyone see that photo in theese days?
zenith pumice
wow what the hell’s going on with that front right tyre
silent heron
anyone see that photo in theese days?
what about it?
plain heath
mercedes posts on twitter and instagram a photo of 2022 car
plain heath
yes i now that is not their car
languid fractal
How accurate do you think this is
silent heron
is that bhp?
languid fractal
2021 seems too close
It shouldn't be ?
silent heron
I mean.. how is honda only 1 behind mercedes, ferrari and renault are equal and the gap between best and worst is only 15
when 2018 is 65
sudden scroll
would be great if 2021 figures were accurate, but i doubt the gaps are this close
also, unless any of us work for the manufacturers we can't know the real figures, and we'd not confirm or be more precise if we did anyway
languid fractal
I mean.. how is honda only 1 behind mercedes, ferrari and renault are equal and ...
I'm guessing it's not accurate
languid fractal
also, unless any of us work for the manufacturers we can't know the real figures...
Yeah true
stable flume
civic fern
How accurate do you think this is
total bullshit
Renault definitely better than Honda in 2018
the Honda is also way too close to Mercedes
i don't think the Honda engine of 2021 even beats last year's Merc
the 2020 Merc engine was meant to be on par with the 2019 Ferrari before the technical directives
the normal 2021 engine was more powerful than even that. not counting Hamilton's Brazil engine which is essentially a bespoke
I don't believe Honda gained two Mercedes mega developments worth in the span of a year
vocal fog
short ether
How accurate do you think this is
very massive normal
short ether
As mercedes always being the best.
formal estuary
I mean.. how is honda only 1 behind mercedes, ferrari and renault are equal and ...
I imagine because of fuel flow, turbo and volume limits there is kind of a cap on hp and these companies are all smart l enough to get to that cap.
Aside from some cooling tricks there isn't much more you can do for power.
civic fern
I imagine because of fuel flow, turbo and volume limits there is kind of a cap o...
*much more without pouring billions into R&D
Sure, thermodynamically theres a given maximum power for a given fuel flow
But the losses are incredible, especially where ICE is concerned
Mercedes only reached 50% of that last year
Theres still a long way to go
plain heath
Do you think guys that the next year there will be the rake?
nocturne dock
yes lol
vernal elk
How accurate do you think this is
That 1hp really pulling Merc on the straights... There is at least a 10hp gap imo
civic fern
That 1hp really pulling Merc on the straights... There is at least a 10hp gap im...
i'd say 50
well, the Brazil engine at least
vernal elk
I think Honda will have the edge with the new E10 regulations though
sudden scroll
what makes you think so?
formal estuary
That 1hp really pulling Merc on the straights... There is at least a 10hp gap im...
Less drag from their low rake design, they could also have more effective aero.
vernal elk
what makes you think so?
I think Honda has more R&D / real world experience compared to Merc with bio / renewable fuels
Maybe not I thought they had an E85 engine in use...
short swift
idk if its tehnical but i have a question about the tokens
i hear that Merc havent used their 2021 tokens and everybody else has and that puts them into an advantage
but like dont 2022 tokens exist or?
i understand the usage of them in particular areas but what is the yearly amount i guess?
edgy anchor
IndyCar uses E85 so I think with increasing useage Honda might have the edge as they've had over Chevy-Ilmor
fickle raft
idk if its tehnical but i have a question about the tokens
i hear that Merc have...
it doesn't put them in any advantage
The token was only a 2021 thing
Them not using it means it only went wasted. Rather, the reports are that they tried using it but their Nose failed the crash tests
nocturne dock
red bull and alphatauri had that rake for like 3-4 years now lol
sturdy fox
Hey, kann mir jemand die Rennställe nach den Stärken der Autos sortieren ?
sturdy fox
can you sort the teams according to the strengths of the cars in Game for a online Season with Friends
feral vessel
can you sort the teams according to the strengths of the cars in Game for a onli...
#f1-games is a better place for a question like this 🙂
sturdy fox
Or you just answer my question🙂
sudden scroll
We won't answer this question on this channel which is for actual technical questions about the sports
sturdy fox
It is a technical question wtf
sort the teams according to the strengths of the cars is a technical question for me
rotund kelp
Well not for us. if you’d just asked in the proper channel like shawk advised instead of arguing you’d probably have an answer already 🙂
royal carbon
^Also this channel is for the sport itself, not the video game
rotund kelp
The reason we said that is bc that’s the channel where the people who play the games are aka those who know it best aka those who are in the best position to answer your question. believe it or not we’re trying to help
silent heron
Or you just answer my question🙂
I think this request is near impossible to achieve. We should edit the settings for the car's downforce, engine and all the stats inside the game files. This would not only request us to have access to those files in each user's game, but also to the technical data of the cars and make it appropriate for the game. Changing this data for each individual user using this mod would then give you a different copy of the game from every other user using the original version, meaning you would no longer be able to play multiplayer with other users on this version. Furthermore, I think you wouldn't even be able to play a multiplayer version of the updated game with people using this updated version as EA's servers wouldn't recognise the game. Also, modifying stats and creating a new version of the game may also be considered pirating. This is a brief explanation.
viscid shoal
https://the-race.com/formula-1/answering-the-last-unanswered-questions-from-f1-2...
wtf the comment section of that article is a bit like F1 Twitter
but a little more civilized since they know insults will get them banned
zenith pumice
wtf the comment section of that article is a bit like F1 Twitter
what do you expect, civilised discussion on the internet? 
viscid shoal
yes, because it's worked in chill chat for most of the season as well
and if it works in a fucking discord server with more than 36k members with approximately the half of them younger than 18, I expect it to work in a comment section of one of the most 
sources as well
civic fern
Them not using it means it only went wasted. Rather, the reports are that they t...
i tried looking it up and found absolutely nothing except some post on fishbowl
whatever that is
seems like a quora/facebook forum copy of some sort
fickle raft
i tried looking it up and found absolutely nothing except some post on fishbowl
Mark Hughes says it in the link that I provided above. He says they used it for a new Nose but it never made it on to the car.
Someone told me a while back that Albert Fabrega also mentioned it on F1TV
civic fern
Mark Hughes says it in the link that I provided above. He says they used it for ...
I see that, but still nothing about failing the crash tests
"Mercedes did make a token spend, but it was for a change on the nose which was never used."
that could be any number of things
prisma cloak
Redbulls car was shorter than merc in 2021?
feral vessel
Always was
silent heron
short ether
i find the aerodynamics of the f1 2022 interesting
though please keep in mind that the front wing is only a single fixture
so there are no wing foils
Simulations at 50 m/s
steel lily
short swift
is it true that all teams have a financial limit with developing the cars from this season
steel lily
You may want to model it again with the driver
short ether
You may want to model it again with the driver
Yea 🤣 it has flaws
slim tundra
bro just use an octane booster
lament brook
Anyone know what was the function of these fins on Ferrari F2007? Was it to direct the air into the side intakes? Or something else?
quick wind
Who performed this simulation?
silent heron
Anyone know what was the function of these fins on Ferrari F2007? Was it to dire...
Um I don't remember those wings
oh but there are in other races
hmmm
quick wind
Is that laminar flow for a car
zenith pumice
how do you model airflow for a car? I'm assuming based on your reaction it's not with laminar flow
quick wind
Airflow in cars are characteristically turbulent.
In CFD you have different turbulence flow simulation models, (Mainly k-epsilon and whatever ADV (advection) parameter you select)
zenith pumice
makes sense, thanks
lament brook
I remebered those wings but couldn’t find a picture of them for some reason so, that was the only one i could find
did they not use it throught out all races?
silent heron
they definitely did races with and without using them
for example here are 2 pics with and without
looks like a spec trying to understand pod wings
lament brook
looks like a spec trying to understand pod wings
thanks for the information, much appriciated 🙂
silent heron
looks somethign like this
if you see above the AMG
but idk its use, maybe someone else can help
quick wind
makes sense, thanks
There are limitations and advantages of each model. There isn't a single model that can be appropriately applied to all turbulent flows.
Conceptual design analysis is usually performed on a RANS solver (which in terms of computation can be ran locally), so you can imagine the design department of a F1 team perform these RANS-based CFD simulations against a design specification at first, RANS models are also often applied on a macroscopic scale like for on an entire car. I can't really find a situation where using laminar flow is appropriate.
For finalisation and analysis, DES/LES/DNS turbulence solvers are computationally intensive, usually used for a smaller complicated flow geometry such as the a particular aerodynamic device on the front wing rather than the whole wing or car. This is why other turbulence models exist as it's 'virtually impossible to perform a Direct numerical simulation to the entire car, at least at a high resolution / fine mesh'
It gets ridiculously more complicated than this.
'Some' F1 teams have formulated their own simulation models to blend models together depending on what component is being dealt with.
I won't go into that.
short ether
Is that **laminar flow** for a car
Not exactly but yea
short ether
Who performed this simulation?
A user on simscale
But you find them easily
K-epsilon
For the air flow settings
pine sinew
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steel lily
bro just use an octane booster
That only increases the heat and pressure the fuel will withstand before combusting on its own
edgy anchor
Anyone know what was the function of these fins on Ferrari F2007? Was it to dire...
Due to the way they're angled downwards and out it's probably to either stop the air shooting upward or to build a Vortex and shoot it at the sidepod or the bargeboard
silent heron
Is the hole something important?
also, it looks like they have a much larger engine cover
or the "tail" is much smaller
quick wind
Anyone know what was the function of these fins on Ferrari F2007? Was it to dire...
It re-energises the flow which has been separated as a result of the tyre wake.
vernal elk
How open are the rules for the Venturi tunnels? Are we going to see a arms race for who can get the most downforce from the floor?
sudden scroll
yes to the latter, as close as they could get them for the former
they said they didn't want to repeat the mistake of 2009 so the rules are very locked
vernal elk
On a side note I wonder what mercs black livery did to internal temps of not driver but other components
vernal elk
they said they didn't want to repeat the mistake of 2009 so the rules are very l...
Makes sense.
I honestly haven't been this excited for F1 in a long time. New reg overhaul is going to make the engineering arms race fascinating.