f1-technical

[short ether]

They don't know if they can remove the DRS just yet

[lusty gazelle]

if they remove drs races will get even boring

[rotund kelp]

Some people would argue it already is bc DRS facilitates a lot of overtaking in straights 😅

[zenith pumice]

if they remove DRS then they'll be removing dirty air (so that they can remove DRS)

and that means the drivers need to work for their overtakes

like the "golden era" everyone keeps referring to

however if they reduce dirty air to remove DRS you'll also get closer racing

• the budget cap brings the field a lot closer together (in theory)

so yeah if they can remove DRS, they should

[rotund kelp]

Isn’t that what DRS aims to do, tho ? Reduce dirty air ?

[zenith pumice]

not what I meant

I meant to say that to remove DRS they need to reduce dirty air

which is something they absolutely should do

[rotund kelp]

Yeah but that’s the thing that’s what they promote the 2022 car to be designed for

[zenith pumice]

... I am not arguing against you

I am saying that they should remove DRS

[rotund kelp]

Oh no me either sorry I’m just lost lmao

[zenith pumice]

and they took the right step for 2022

the next step is to reduce dirty air even more so that we can remove DRS and get drivers actually working for their overtakes instead of pushing a button to get a speed boost

[rotund kelp]

Ah now I get it, thank you !

[zenith pumice]

yep

[languid fractal]

When was DRS introduced

[feral vessel]

2011

[zenith pumice]

2011 yeah

[languid fractal]

Alright

[feral vessel]

I think we discussed as well that a P2P is less worse than DRS in here once

[zenith pumice]

yeah because you can use a P2P to defend as well

whereas with DRS you don't have that

[languid fractal]

P2p?

[zenith pumice]

Push to Pass

[languid fractal]

Ah okay

[civic fern]

Golden era is such a myth

Not only were there statistically even fewer overtakes there are today, it was Schumacher and Ferrari domination for 5 straight years. Not quite sure what makes it so golden compared to Hamilton and Mercedes

[short ether]

To me, a golden era would be the late 80s

Late 90s as well

[feral vessel]

I'm not sure whether you can dictate easily which was the Golden Era of F1 😅

[civic fern]

If anything right now is the golden era

F1 is way more popular than ever

[feral vessel]

Some would say 2009-2013, some would say 2000-2008.

[sly aspen]

What makes the era “golden”

[civic fern]

Nostalgia

[sly aspen]

Different winners?

[civic fern]

Literally. Nostalgia.

Thats why whenever people mention “golden era” in anything, not just F1, its never the present

[feral vessel]

You can choose a different type of era, and call it the golden era, I have nothing against that, but you can't take solutions from it, for example if F1 wants to attract more people, you don't need to go back to your preferred era and take the regulated number of cylinders in that time and apply it now.

[sly aspen]

V6 hybrid faster than v12 v10 v8 anyway

[civic fern]

I mean, there are pros and cons to every era

50s - no one is still alive to call that golden era

60s - who remembers this?

Other than Sebastian Vettel apparently?

[short ether]

I don't see how the Lewis domination could be dubbed golden

[zenith pumice]

my dad calls the 90s the Golden Era of Formula 1

[short ether]

If there's no domination from now on till like 4-5 years, it will br a golden era

[civic fern]

The Schumacher domination would tell you otherwise

[zenith pumice]

but he’s seen both 80s and 90s

[short ether]

The Schumacher domination wasn't golden

[zenith pumice]

and everything after that

yeah no Schumacher dominance wasn’t “golden” even though I like that era

[short ether]

It was atrocious to watch then

[zenith pumice]

90s however was different

[feral vessel]

I don't think any type of domination would make a golden era

[civic fern]

70s - one driver doesn’t make it out of any given season. Forget golden era, more like dark age

80s - okay yea, Senna/Prost/Piquet/Mansell 1500 hp turbo cars are pretty cool

[zenith pumice]

80s was great too, though not so much 88 and 89 apparently

[civic fern]

90s - I’m sure you all can come up with much better descriptions lul

[feral vessel]

You could argue that those season have been "great" if you focus too much on Prost vs Senna.

[zenith pumice]

yeah but even then, that’s not too many races either

apart from that it was all McLaren McLaren McLaren

either Prost is winning or Senna is

[feral vessel]

But the rest of the field wasn't contending for race wins so much either, so it wasn't exactly exciting to watch apart from Senna vs Prost.

[civic fern]

82 - Disaster with Pironi and Gilles leaving Ferrari with the WCC but no driver to actually bring it home. Keke Rosberg takes the WDC

84 - Lauda’s comeback WDC for McLaren against a rising Prost

86 - Prost takes WDC against the Piquet/Mansell duo in a much superior Williams

88 - McLaren wins 15/16 races in the most dominant fashion ever, Senna edges Prost in WDC

[zenith pumice]

84 should’ve been Prost man

[feral vessel]

83 - Prost almost winning a World Championship in a such unreliable but fast machine which left Piquet take the title.

[civic fern]

89 - Suzuka, no need to say more

Pretty memorable decade

[short ether]

Brabham cheated with BASF, and Renault had a reliable car mostly, until Brabham was faster and they probably rushed performance upgrades that led to an appalling season ending

[civic fern]

90 - Prost and Ferrari vs Senna and McLaren, Suzuka 2.0

[zenith pumice]

the worse Suzuka

[short ether]

91 was Senna vs Mansell

Prost and Ferrari were out of scope

[civic fern]

92 - Mansell finally gets a WDC in a Williams his grandma could’ve won in. Moves to Indy, only person to be champion in both F1 and Indy at the same time

93 - Mansell ditches, Prost comes into Williams for a comeback 4th WDC. The only person to get over 3 since Fangio

94 - Senna’s death in the Williams at Imola. Michael Schumacher crashes Damon Hill out of Adelaide to win his 1st.

95 - MSC sweeps in Benetton

96/97 - Damon Hill and JV Williams domination. MSC moves to a midfield Ferrari

98/99 Mika Hakkinen and McLaren back on top. MSC and Ferrari making their way up

Hmmm I guess I can see why 90s makes a great candidate for golden era

[short ether]

97 wasn't a Williams domination
What tou said in 95 makes it not too interesting in hindsight

Think 99 was the wildest of all

[feral vessel]

BASF as in the fuel that had some substances that leads to the high performance engine behave well ?

[short ether]

A bjt like 2003

[short ether]

Yes

[feral vessel]

99 had a controversial ending to it

[civic fern]

MSC breaking his leg

Leaving an Eddie Irvine vs Mika Hakkinen battle

[feral vessel]

which made it more wild

[civic fern]

I think the specific 10 year period from 2004 to 2014 is pretty great too

Mostly V8 era

Multiple different winners, legendary drivers, a decently even field

[feral vessel]

2005 had a nail-biting title fight which reminds me of this year's

[civic fern]

04 - MSC domination in F2004, 2nd fastest F1 car of all time after the W11

[feral vessel]

except for the Indianapolis anti-climax

[civic fern]

05 - Ferrari nerfed by regulations leaving Fernando Alonso and Renault vs Kimi Raikkonen and McLaren

[feral vessel]

I guess Michelin changing their tyre structure led to an appaling end of a season as well

[civic fern]

06 - MSC and Ferrari are back to battle against Alonso and Renault

[clever minnow]

didn't Michael still put up a fight

[civic fern]

Only so much he could do. 05 mainly known for Kimi Raikkonen’s terrifying pace. And McLaren’s terrifying reliability.

[zenith pumice]

eh not really, but of course Michael being Michael did as much as he can

[feral vessel]

not so much, I think the battle was settled between Kimi and Alonso after Michael retired 3 races and scores just about 1 or 2 points each race.

[civic fern]

07 - reigning double world champion Fernando Alonso moves to McLaren to partner rookie teammate Lewis Hamilton. A couple incidents and a 100 million dollar scandal later leaves no one coming out of 2007 looking good - except Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen who took the WDC by 1 point over both McLaren drivers.

08 - Lewis Hamilton beats Felipe Massa at the last corner of the last race to become the youngest F1 champion at the time

09 - Jenson Button and Brawn GP magically win both titles against all odds with the double diffuser

[feral vessel]

and a good front wing design

[civic fern]

10 - “Fernando is faster than you”, but not a Renault in Abu Dhabi apparently; leaving Sebastian Vettel - youngest F1 champion in history

11 - Red Bull domination

12 - Alonso drags the 4th-fastest F2012 into title contention, ultimately decided at an insane finale in Brazil. 7 different winners in first 7 races. Most insane and memorable season in recent memory

13 - Sebastian Vettel wins every single race in the 2nd half, 9 in a row, equaling MSC’s record of most wins (13) in a season

14 - F1’s turbo hybrid era. Mercedes’ terrifying pace advantage. Lewis Hamilton finally returns to the top as WDC

[edgy anchor]

Have an Active Damper

[drowsy nacelle]

Thanks

Hydraulic? Or magneto?

Looks lime magnets only

Overlooked that port

[short ether]

that port looks like an xlr port and i just wanted to ask why theyd need to plug a microphone into a damper

or the other way round. is it to “dampen“ the sound?

[edgy anchor]

This is from 1992 Chief, afaik USB's weren't exactly everywhere

Also for stuff like this they use round pin connectors, even now for like steering wheels

The active suspension mcgoos are ElectroHydraulic

[drowsy nacelle]

Ah

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/comments/qwqlta/how_mercedes_likely_gained_50_horsepower_through

[paper wing]

Congrats @drowsy nacelle, you're now on lap 5

[drowsy nacelle]

Crazy

[languid fractal]

50?😳

[vernal elk]

So I skimmed through it.. So Merc potentially has an illegal engine?

I hope this question is in the correct spot... Is a reason AM SC is used on some circuits and Merc SC on others or is it just random choosing? Figured one might have better cornering speed and one might have better straight line speed....

[feral vessel]

I guess the reason for running different safety cars might be marketing influenced, and My theory both brands discuss where to promote their car, for example Aston Martin Vantage was ran in Silverstone because it’s a British car on British soil.

[drowsy nacelle]

+1

[vernal elk]

Fair enough

[limber sluice]

Any speculation about the tarmac of Saudi? No support races there. Don't want them to do the same thing they did to turkey

[opaque mulch]

i recently saw a video of the upcoming 2022 cars, and it got me wondering. If the downforce is mostly generated by the ground effect, could we see a "floor drs"??

Bc actual drs wouldn't decrease downforce as much as it does rn, they said it

Like, is it possible or is it banned by the regulations?

@ me if u can answer

[short ether]

maybe, but this kind of ground effect doesn't generate nearly as much wake as wings

it's ""clean"" downforce

[drowsy nacelle]

Clean = not that much draggy

What about Extended floor down force on corners if you are following

though it will make things tougher and riskier for the drivers

so nah I guess

[golden drum]

yeah it’s a bit of a sticky one

if they win the championship

as in red bull, do they still protest just to piss them off?

[limber sluice]

Why do the recording from some cameras need to be downloaded?

Why can't it stream live

Does anyone know this

[limber sluice]

I think if Merc has pace this race... Yes they do plan to protest to piss em off

[sly aspen]

they can only stream one feed from each car apparently

max's cam was on the rear at that time

im sure they have the tech to do it but prob more weight and lots of bandwith with 20 cars broadcasting already and moving at that speed is probably difficult.

[rotund kelp]

It’s bc of the broadband they only stream one at a time so the others have to be downloaded after the race if they are needed

[tepid sky]

Red bull seams to be under some serious pressure here, unless they are sandbagging

[nocturne dock]

merc sandbag

[keen jungle]

https://twitter.com/ScarbsTech/status/1462068371944624132?s=20

Craig Scarborough (@ScarbsTech)

What's going on with Red Bull's Flapping DRS ?
The DRS set up consists of a pivoting flap, that can be lifted by a hydraulic ram. When closed the flap rests on its separator. When open the snubber section rests under the DRS support.

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2021, 2:40 PM

[calm violet]

i'm a tech noob

does this mean that it's legal

or is it illegal

[plush panther]

Its perfectly legal, this isn’t really a “cheat”, if anything it decreases performance, but basically the DRS on the RB cars flaps when it is open a lot more than other cars, due to a weaker/poorer design it what it seems like.

Some people speculate that they are using to to try to create more dirty air but it honestly just seems like a poor/ weaker design due to trying to keep weight to a minimum

[edgy anchor]

I would've thought it would just be amplifying the DRS because it's flapping along which would stall stuff further

Like the wing is now pulling about the winglet rather than the winglet influencing the air

[lament chasm]

Is anyone else nervous for the next 2 races? How did the Mercedes get so competitive so quick? Is it the engine?

[short ether]

It’s a combination of the fresh engine (which is speculated that they gain ~0.32s over the old one) and the Mercedes running it in a higher mode than they did before

The Honda only loses about 0.1s of performance over its lifetime to put it into comparison

Also, Red Bull speculates that Mercedes have tweaked with the car by making the underside of the mainplane flex so as to dump drag at speed which if of course illegal, but again it’s purely speculation

[little veldt]

Red bulls are slower than the mercs throughout the season in engine performance but never noticed the gap because red bull could run a lower downforce setup compared to Mercedes so that clawed back the performance deficit

The merc now still doesn’t have that level of downforce as the red bull but it has gotten better so the actually engine performance is more prominent now

[unreal quarry]

F1 can do better

[zenith pumice]

I agree. we should make cars narrower, less dirty, and hopefully get rid of gimmicks that don’t add too much to the sport

[short ether]

wait.

[blazing saffron]

if anything cars should be made shorter indeed, to stay relevant to #f1-technical

[civic fern]

Extended floor

How would that work?

[civic fern]

I don’t think its the lower downforce setup

More like the Merc had drag issues

i.e. for the same amount of downforce the Merc would have so much drag it would end up slower despite the engine power advantage

[little veldt]

The rear wings for Mercedes in Austria and and zandvoort were all more aggressive than the red bull wings

The merc was dependent on the floor but the new regs deleted that

[civic fern]

Well they have a different level of dependence on the floor, thats for sure

Which also means equal rear wing size doesnt mean same downforce

I think the Merc actually depends less on the floor for generating downforce

And more so on the wings for that purpose

I.e. to have the same amount of downforce as the RB, the Merc needs a bigger rear wing

[drowsy nacelle]

You have flaps which activate

[civic fern]

wouldn't that be active aerodynamics

i mean, DRS technically is

but yeah rules probably need to change to allow for it

[drowsy nacelle]

Instead of reduced drag, you go for increased downforce

It's a stupid idea in hindsight

But I just mentioned it anyways

[civic fern]

well, in terms of how it would work its gonna be kinda weird

with DRS its just lifting the rear wing to be flat

with this, where would they go when not in use lol

[drowsy nacelle]

Hmm just for the sake of it, there can be few things doable

Like moving the diffuser surface

Or flaps on the bargeboard but they don't hinge but slide

I already know it is a weird idea and probably stupid

Cause imagine the kind of control the driver will need to have to actually utilise this

[civic fern]

well, more like motors that would have to move large pieces of carbon fibre

and said bargeboards to be able to move without breaking

[gleaming cape]

i think next season will be much better for making most teams wheel to wheel

[feral vessel]

https://youtu.be/V7707zEX9X4

[mellow sedge]

is this the right place to ask for front wing width of the 2010 RB6 redbull car?

[short ether]

yes i think it is, what do you want to know about it that can't be googled in 5 seconds

[mellow sedge]

cant find it ANYWHERE

ive tried searching different terms but no find

[short ether]

you're just looking for the front wing dimensions?

[mellow sedge]

yeah, but after i finish modelling the front i also needed the rear and the general width and stuff

all that i cant find on google

[green marlin]

Try to find some old technical rules from 2010. Maybe they can give you an idea?

[mellow sedge]

good idea, but i have discarded the idea of trying to make a f1 car

[lavish rune]

Hi

[edgy anchor]

But like

1,800mm total width with 1,600mm body width tho

[short ether]

Guys is it me or the teams are actually going to make the wings super boxy

Like as far as they can take it

[zinc smelt]

What do you mean by super boxy?

[short ether]

Like the current wings boxy to be efficient

[naive lake]

For next year or what?

[paper wing]

Congrats @naive lake, you're now on lap 5

[naive lake]

Or for Jeddah?

[tulip valve]

This is kind of a random question but does anyone know what could be making this sound? some of the cars make a high pitched almost v8 like noise. you can hear it a few times but its most noticeable on the mercedes at 11:00 and the williams at 11:04 and it doesn't sound like the engine or the turbo https://youtu.be/omQygUCBmXQ?t=651

[short ether]

Doppler effect I'd guess

i can't hear anything special

maybe the wastegate?

[tulip valve]

its quiet but it is there, honestly i think it might just be an echo, it doesn't sound like a noise i've ever heard from the v6 engines.

its like a high pitched hum

[tulip valve]

you can hear that on all the cars though because thats just how sound works, but you can clearly hear a distinct high pitched noise at some points.

you can hear briefly it at 11:29 aswell

anyway im gonna stop cluttering the chat with my random question, back to actual technical talk

[sly aspen]

Doppler effect like the guy above said

As it gets closer it’ll be higher pitched then lower as it moves off

[tulip valve]

yeah i guess it could be actually, but if it is its wierd that the mercedes at 11:00 is much higher pitched than the mercedes straight after, there is a noticeable difference

[warm shale]

@short ether doppler effect right?

[civic fern]

Well, when have they not been boxy?

[short ether]

Next year as shown we will have a curved wing but is that curve going to be big or will it be as small as possible bit like the current wings

???

[ember fossil]

In honor of Sir Frank, let's celebrate the FW14B active suspension 🤩

[celest cypress]

what button on the steering wheel to change the brake bias?

[bleak estuary]

It's not a button

[celest cypress]

what is it

[bleak estuary]

It looks like tis

[celest cypress]

i mean to change the brake bias

not the brake bias

i guess its the magic button

[bleak estuary]

Better perspective

[proven spade]

What car was this

[tepid sky]

looks like a 2009-2013 Williams car, Although I dont remember whether it is 2014-2016 as I know low budget teams like Caterham did continue to use the old steering wheel without the Mclaren Screens after 2013.

[short ether]

it is before 2014

because in 2014 williams rebranded

[edgy anchor]

The Brake bias now is on one of the rotary parts

https://media.wired.com/photos/59325edb9be5e55af6c246fe/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Sauber-C33-steering-wheel.jpg

Top left

5ho this also is an older wheel

[graceful dew]

What a car, designed by Newey and driven by Mansell, UK power lol

[ember fossil]

Paddy Lowe was also at the team at this time

[short ether]

he was in charge of the electronics

[plush panther]

Yes

[edgy anchor]

Yes

[upbeat mural]

What does Flexi wing do

I’ve seen it but I don’t know what it does

[short ether]

it bends at high speed, generating less downforce and also less drag, so more top speed

[graceful dew]

Yea forgor about him, I’m just reading How to Make a Car by Newey and bro, this man is such a genius

[edgy anchor]

FORGOR

[prime vector]

Well I am reading this soon

[violet kernel]

Well I am reading this soon(2)

[short ether]

read it a year ago, and it's simply fantastic

[zinc parcel]

I second this

[warm shale]

Agreed

[short ether]

amazon will deliver mine after 1-2 months

😢 f

[plush panther]

was watching some old footage and noticed these vortices forming, what causes this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL5liGMND_0&t=534

timestamp for anyone interested

[unborn badger]

Hello

[little veldt]

This happens on modern day and basically any car with a large-ish downforce capabilities with the weather being correct

It’s called wing tip vortices

[plush panther]

i knew what they were, but im just wondering why they are so noticeable in that clip

[little veldt]

That’s just the camera quality

[plush panther]

ok

[little veldt]

Seems less noticeable cause of the camera is better

[plush panther]

cool! i dont think i have noticed them in newer footage

yeah

[little veldt]

Happens usually whenever the car is under large’ish load on the rear and the track is humid

[plush panther]

ah ok

[little veldt]

They just become visible with the humidity because it ends up forming vapour but you wouldn’t be able to see it at all times but it’s still happening

[upbeat mural]

S

[zenith pumice]

unrelated to f1 but you can see it happen on planes as well

for example at takeoff Concorde produced some massive ones

[plush panther]

Yeah

I was aware of them and that they happened, just had no idea they could be that noticeable on an f1 car

Especially from the front

[plush panther]

Model airflow test iirc

[short ether]

very pretty

[plush panther]

Very

Same thing this f-18 is creating, just it’s visible in this pic much mire

That is actually vortex lift, where it creates a low pressure zone above the wing, contributing to lift

[short ether]

in almost every Suzuka video you can see these wing tip vortices, between the hairpin and spoon, and all the way from spoon till the Casio triangle

[plush panther]

Probably just because its usually damp or wet

[languid fractal]

If I'm not mistaken it also depends on humidity

[nocturne dock]

its a byproduct of having wings

modern cars have them too

its unavoidable

in certain conditions u can see them better

[jagged rose]

next season with the new regs, would it be legal for a team to make a rear where the top part of the wing dipped below the bottom part of the wing?

[plush panther]

What?

Top part is below the bottom?

[jagged rose]

yea

[plush panther]

That

Doesn’t make any sense

[jagged rose]

hold on

[plush panther]

Just a question, for custom liveries, do they take existing panels and put the new things on, or do they create new panels from scratch, with the paint and decals and all?

[drowsy nacelle]

They paste new decals every race

Panels get cleaned

So even for a livery

They should be able to use the same panel

[drowsy nacelle]

new decals as in the same pattern but new, for the best surface finish, improve surface air flow

[plush panther]

Oh ok cool

[edgy anchor]

Bro chemtrails are siiiiicc

https://i.redd.it/wgrhm8t9ili21.jpg

[plush panther]

Thank you Renault R25

[short ether]

a link to the regs in general is pinned

@graceful dew i've removed your meme, keep to the topic please..

[graceful dew]

Ah well

[upbeat mural]

so is the new mercedes steering thing like DAS 2.0 or is it bs and it doesnt exist

people said they saw it on onboards in brazil

[steel lily]

From what I know, the latter

[little veldt]

It’s bs people just trying to find a reason to say the car is illegal and not praise Hamilton for his drive

[civic fern]

total bs

the FIA managed to DSQ Hamilton because they found a 0.2 mm irregularity on the rear wing

if DAS 2.0 really existed it would've been found, and quite easily really considering it's an actual mechanical component that won't just disappear into thin air when Hamilton pulls into parc ferme https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/0RrW58v0/s6/mercedes-amg-f-w11-das-ackerm-.jpg

[civic fern]

what they saw is Hamilton pushing buttons on a steering wheel

concluding that it's DAS 2.0 is their own questionable leap in logic

[bleak estuary]

It's essentially the camera that made it seen like it was DAS 2.0

[drowsy nacelle]

0.2 is the official value?

Didn't find it anywhere

But it says that the gap was significantly off

0.2 is not significantly off :v

Ah nvm

Wolff said it

[civic fern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/quw54a/how_mercedes_made_hamiltons_w12_another_planet_in/

the translation of the article (first reddit comment) is a pretty good read on Mercedes' engine strategy

especially Brazil

https://www.formu1a.uno/come-mercedes-ha-reso-la-w12-di-hamilton-di-un-altro-pianeta-in-brasile/

[violet smelt]

Expansion to the top team

Aston Martin only ranks 7th in the team standings. Lawrence Stroll's racing team is looking to expand. Aston Martin is set to compete with Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull by 2024.

Michael Schmidt December 3rd, 2021

Lawrence Stroll had imagined it differently. Under the name Racing Point, his racing team drove for third place in the constructors' championship with McLaren, Renault and Ferrari in 2020. He only lost the battle because 15 points were deducted from the team. Renault had successfully protested that the RP20 was in certain parts a copy of the 2019 Mercedes W10.

The move worked. The pink Mercedes blend was the third fastest car in the field in 2020, especially when Andy Green's engineering office incorporated its own ideas in the middle of the season. But success stories are not that easy to repeat in Formula 1. Instead of getting back on its own feet in terms of aerodynamics, the 2021 Aston Martin looked suspiciously like the 2020 Mercedes.

But then a rule change thwarted plagiarism. With restrictions on the underbody, the diffuser and the brake ventilation, the aerodynamics no longer worked as desired. Mercedes also felt this. Now personal contribution was required, based on someone else's car. Mercedes found solutions to compensate for the loss of downforce. Aston Martin doesn't.

Aston Martin walled in at number 7

The AMR21 lacks contact pressure. In order to bring it back halfway, the wings have to be made steeper. But then the car is too slow on the straights. The inefficient aerodynamics are a handicap on many routes. "The window in which we look good is very small," sums up Sebastian Vettel.

The drivers can only shine where maximum downforce or the opposite is required: in Monte Carlo, Budapest, Mexico City, Losail, Baku, Spa or Monza. "The deficits are difficult to compensate for on all other tracks. That is only possible with a perfect setup, good tire management or strategy," says Vettel.

The backward role came at the wrong time for the team owner and his investors. They wanted to celebrate the resurrection of Aston Martin at least with a respectable success. But the formerly most efficient F1 team is walled up in seventh place. With 35 points behind in 6th place and 54 points ahead of 8th place. Now everyone in the team is hoping that the new technology rules for 2022 will really set all the clocks to zero.

New wind tunnel and 360 degree simulator

At the same time, Aston Martin is being upgraded. Two years ago, Silverstone employed 420 people on a budget of $ 110 million. Today there are 593 employees. Plus 35 vacancies. Aston Martin scratches the budget cap of 145 million. "If you want to compete with the top teams, you have to be as big and have the same resources as them," says team boss Otmar Szafnauer, explaining the rapid growth.

The factory dates from the 1990s, when the team was still called Jordan. Right next door, a shell is taking shape. In the first quarter of 2023 there will be a space laboratory, in which almost 700 people will work. The old factory is being expanded into a museum. The new wind tunnel, a 360-degree simulator and test benches of all kinds find space between old and new. So far only Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull have comparable systems. Aston Martin plans to start operating its test center in early 2024. The total investment is estimated at over 200 million euros.

In the paddock, people say that Stroll even has its own engine in mind, based on the Red Bull model. The fact is that the Canadian billionaire applied to join the engine group to have a say in it. Even with the scaled-down technology format for 2026, building your own drive would be a size too big for a private individual. Stroll would have to find a partner. Which is not entirely impossible. Formula 1 has become attractive again for car manufacturers, as the interest shown by Audi and Porsche shows.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/aston-martin-f1-expansionskurs-investitionen-simulator-windkanal-fabrik/

[civic fern]

Pretty spot on

The thing I would make a point about, however, is that the AMR isn’t lacking in downforce. It’s lacking in aero efficiency.

If the car was lacking downforce it would be total trash at Monaco and Hungary, and it wasn’t. It said so themselves as much

[empty nimbus]

Has max verstappen gotten a new gearbox?

[plush panther]

Honestly we probably won’t know until tomorrow

[empty nimbus]

right ok

[crimson granite]

No

[prisma cloak]

ferrari too good

[lament chasm]

Could max get take an engine penalty and potential run a new engine at a higher setting for Dubai or is the Honda engine pretty much maxed out in terms of power output

[nocturne dock]

for dubai????

[jolly tangle]

They mean Abu Dhabi, I think

[civic fern]

Thats an auto loss

Hamilton will just cruise off in the Brazil engine

Which is pretty much the max there is

The engines themselves are designed very specifically for a given power and lifespan, and theres only so much you can “turn up”. The main limitation being fuel flow

The Brazil engine is a great example of doing what you’re saying

Its the same spec M12 as all the others Hamilton has been using, but much more aggressively mapped.

The engines themselves are designed for about 6000 km, but from Brazil to Abu Dhabi, Qualy + race (fridays will be run on the Turkey engine) will be 1500 km. About a quarter of its designed lifespan

And thats the best engine in the field btw. Honda’s power unit might be twice of what it was in its GP2 days but Mercedes is still undoubtedly the best engine. If Honda felt like it could pull off what Mercedes did with the Brazil engine, they would’ve given Verstappen one in Sochi.

[livid cedar]

Has it always been allowed to change tires during a red flag? If not, when was the rule changed?

[mellow sedge]

Why were old cars (2010) more “slides”/“slippery”, I was watching a replay of the fight between Vettels and Webber’s Multi 21 race and it look like the rear was sliding out much more than modern cars

Well the multi 21 race was 2013 but still

[edgy anchor]

Cars were thinner/shorter, tyres were thinner, downforce was less

Engines were N/A so more linear in delivery which means slides can be more controlled

Cars were lighter... I mean many many reasons

[mellow sedge]

so the lighter the slidier?

[edgy anchor]

Well the heavier and more downforce you make, the more abrasive sliding will be

Also the 1.8m width cars were always twitchy

[mellow sedge]

old cars were 1800mm?'

[edgy anchor]

Cars from 1998-2016 were 1.8m wide, yes

[mellow sedge]

whats the max width of this years cars

[edgy anchor]

2m

[mellow sedge]

oh

[edgy anchor]

They went to 2m width in 2017

[mellow sedge]

i assume older cars were longer then?4

[edgy anchor]

No

Nowadays cars are the longest ever

[mellow sedge]

oh

i really liked the way older cars looked in turns

like the way the rear comes out is amazing looking

[edgy anchor]

Oh my most early memories of F1 were slow mo replays of sliding 2003-2005 cars in the rain

On chicanes bruv

[lament chasm]

i didnt think about that. Im just trying to hang on to any hope I can about max wining the WDC

[heady meteor]

hey everyone, i’ve been an f1 fan since july last year, however i have done loads of studying on the history of f1 and the technical, however i still can’t understand, why do the cars make sparks? is it ground effect boards scraping?

[cursive wraith]

There are blocks of Titanium kept under the cars iirc to prevent the car from being too low to the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICLz1_nRj0

You could watch this video for more info

[heady meteor]

ah thank you

[short ether]

wtf

Arrows A22

[mild shuttle]

Most of the car looks normal, except for that thing on the nose

[plush panther]

Those random loopholes are just so funny

[feral vessel]

Monaco was the only race that elevated wing was used, and it was implemented in Monaco because it's a circuit where you need a good front end.

but unfortunately for Arrows and Jordan this wing got put in Scrutiny and was Banned before the qualifying and the race.

[mild shuttle]

Sad

[plush panther]

Just how the sport works

[nocturne dock]

the titanium bit is just for sparks

the wooden plank under the cars is measured after the race to see how much it wore down

if it wore too much then that car's aerodynamics are illegal

[cursive wraith]

Yes

[nocturne dock]

or ride height

[vestal fossil]

What are the best places on...

1. reddit
2. Discord
3. Youtube
4. Twitter

...for cars engineering generally, motorsport engineering and everything else technical in motorsport?

I look forward to your answers. Thank you very much. ♥

[short ether]

Discord, Reddit and YouTube

[main creek]

I'd say here on Discord for engineering is already more worthwhile than most places I've seen. Reddit quickly becomes LEWvsVER mud slinging fest.

My dad sent me this YT but haven't watched yet

He's a motorsport journalist so I tend to trust his thoughts on these matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7707zEX9X4

[short ether]

Isn't there an f1 technical subreddit?

[main creek]

There could be but I think I've got PTSD from typing in 'F1' into reddit lol

[short ether]

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/ there is, not sure what it's worth

Shouldn't be as partisan as r/f1

[quaint fjord]

will the F2 and F3 cars change with regulations changes or do they just apply to F1

[fallen tulip]

only f1

although they could sure be influenced by looks for future feeder series cars

[quaint fjord]

gotcha

[quick wind]

The only significant change I'm aware of with F2 and F3 are that they now plan to share same weekends for 2022

[short ether]

Why is the toro rosso so much shorter than the merc? this is 2018 testing

Someone said it basically turns the car into a venturi

Rake

[crimson granite]

they had the longest wheelbase in 2018 iirc

so its a bit longer i think

[nocturne dock]

rb/tr cars are always short wheelbased

merc is always loong wheelbased because aerodynamics

[fierce crag]

Does it real that RB brought some upgrade for the season finale

[nocturne dock]

idk

[nocturne dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdm51QwZEw

thats alot of revs

[green marlin]

How do one get more revs out of an engine?

[edgy anchor]

Less stroke, less weight, more elastic strength, longer conrods

[short ether]

Hiya new to tech. I wonder what's the part called where we have the driving number

Sebs driving number

[fallen tulip]

the sharkfin or the nose?

[short ether]

Sharkfin

Thank you

Haha

[nocturne dock]

it looks cool

no idea what it benefits aero wise

[fallen tulip]

iirc stability

[chilly oyster]

Ohhh yea looks cool indeed

Why was it scrapped tho

[nocturne dock]

idk fia rules in 2018 said sharkfins are not allowed anymore

[chilly oyster]

Ohhh

[edgy anchor]

Sharkfins help aerodynamic stability as airflow from either side doesn't interact and create more turbulence or stall out

[nocturne dock]

hmmmm

[edgy anchor]

Especially in YAW

[nocturne dock]

thats why thru 2008-2010 teams were experimenting with them

[edgy anchor]

Yea

[nocturne dock]

and 2017 when it was allowed again

[edgy anchor]

And why Prototypes love em

The first to do so afaik was IndyCar and IMSA WSC's in 1994

[edgy anchor]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/slideshow_image/12-penske-pc-23-mercedes_1994-credit-graham_heeps.jpg

[nocturne dock]

marlboro livery
merc engine

sounds like mclaren if they were in indy in 95-96

[edgy anchor]

Penske

[nocturne dock]

or cart

[edgy anchor]

Yeah that... Bruv I love those dong dang speedy mcgoos

[chilly oyster]

Looks like as spaceship or something

A jet idk

[edgy anchor]

Speedway kits bruv

[nocturne dock]

ovals

[chilly oyster]

Cool

[nocturne dock]

no way u would run that setup on a normal circuit lmao

[edgy anchor]

https://beyondtheflag.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2018/08/771992831.jpeg

we are going to beat you to death

[nocturne dock]

i did hear somewhere that the hardest thing ever is race at monaco with a monza setup and torrential rain

f1 game

[edgy anchor]

Yeah speedway aero is insane because all the downforce is in the underbody

[nocturne dock]

floor

[edgy anchor]

Longitudinal and latitudinal rake, all the wings do is contour that bad boi to maintain aero balance

[nocturne dock]

yes

now run those cars in monaco with that setup in torrential rain with hard tyres

without ground effecc

[edgy anchor]

But they... They make ground effect regardless

That's not how aero works

[nocturne dock]

oh well keep ground effecc

[edgy anchor]

I mean not that it'll matter much

[short ether]

Ah tbh I like it without the shark fin

Feels cleaner

[civic fern]

Hmmm would oval races be safer if the cars had venturi tunnels

[edgy anchor]

They... They do

[civic fern]

Oh

[rich gust]

Just gonna put this out here

Iet’s just say if a certain team got the regulations very wrong for 2022 and go massively backwards, to the point where they’re seconds off the pace.
How would you guys react?

[crimson granite]

is that certain team like red bull or smn

[cursive wraith]

[zenith pumice]

it’s like RB in 2014

or Ferrari in 2020

it would be weird but you’d get used to it pretty fast

[crimson granite]

^^

[scenic swallow]

VOTE KIMI AS DRIVER OF THE DAY

[zenith pumice]

no

[feral vessel]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a28497386/shark-fin-race-car-wing-explained/

The shark fin provides several aerodynamic advantages for race cars. The most important benefit is cornering downforce. When entering a corner, the fin builds pressure along the outside edge, maximizing inward forces towards the apex of the corner. This allows the car to turn more efficiently. Having the fin also improves a car's stability mid-corner. If the car were to start to oversteer, the air's pressure on the fin allows the car to counteract the yaw effect.

Having a shark fin also improves the rear wing's efficiency and capability. The fin creates a vortex from the cockpit that channels air directly to the wing, which would otherwise be lost, due to the cockpit blocking the wing from clean air. The fin can also act as a third mounting point for the rear wing, allowing for stronger material to be used, and greater overall wing stability

It acted back then in F1 as a wind vane

It manages airflow close to the engine cover, and it reduces turbulence generated by spillage from the engine air inlets.

[dense hazel]

i think that's the main reason and also maybe to try to keep the flow a bit laminar?

[feral vessel]

that too

[dense hazel]

so basically it's good

[short ether]

yo guys, what does parc ferme mean

my friend says it's like some pre-race disqualification term

[jade moss]

pace fermé is a French term when translated means closed park

Effectively means you can't change your car once under parc fermé outside of a few small items

[short ether]

Ah okay, understood.

When do they occur tho

The parc ferme regulations

[jade moss]

Cars are under parc fermé once they cross the timing line at the end of the pitlane for the first time in quali

[feral vessel]

Under Parc Fermé you're not allowed to switch set-ups, otherwise you'll be awarded a grid penalty for the race or a pit lane start (just like Kimi in Brazil this year)

[short ether]

Oh alright

Ahhh that's why kimi got the penalty

I was genuinely confused lmfao

Thanks guys

[short ether]

To extend on this

When is parc ferme used?

Is it on qualifying and the race

Certain tracks or all tracks etc?

[nocturne dock]

everywhere

[crimson granite]

Parc Ferme is in motion when quali starts

and its used in every track

[upbeat mural]

What did the 2021 regs do to Merc

[nocturne dock]

banned das

thats it

[sly aspen]

https://youtu.be/uG1hpopWE8g

It really hurt cars with a low rake like the merc and Aston Martin (basically a merc)

[crimson granite]

There was a change of regs on the floor

[cursive wraith]

No it's much more than that

[languid fractal]

Do you guys think high rake will exist next year?

[crimson granite]

Not sure

[feral vessel]

There wasn't really much, Mercedes kept the same car until they realised Red Bull is close to them, I suppose they only changed the homologated 2021 floor, but made some changes to their 2021 going into the season.

as in they didn't spend on any of this year's tokens.

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/comments/rdkhp9/mercedes_technology_officer_mike_elliot_confirmed/

[short ether]

What is the yellow thing it’s the camera right?

Why are some yellow and some black on some cars

[languid fractal]

I think could just be aesthetics

[languid fractal]

Alright

[crimson granite]

To differentiate the cars

[short ether]

Ah I see

[zenith pumice]

generally the black t-cam means the first driver

or rather, the first driver on the entry list

for example, Norris takes the yellow t-cam because he finds it cooler

[languid fractal]

Alright

[rich gust]

I’ve got a qn

If a support series race after F1 qualy caused damaged to any of the F1 cars while in the pit lane would they be allowed or able to fix it?

noticed this while watching the F2 that parc ferme is really close to the entrance of the pitlane

And thought what would happen if an incident happened there

Like a driver spinning and crashing into the f1 cars

[nocturne dock]

probably

[civic fern]

what does it say in the regulations?

[languid fractal]

Saw the speed trap figures, that's for speed trap 1. Hamilton was slower than max , granted max got a tow but is speed was roughly the same with sainz.

Could it be that Hamilton had more wing

[desert hound]

not sure if this is the right channel to ask but....
I know drivers press a button to activate DRS, but do they need to do anything to *deactivate *it at the end of the DRS zone or it's deactivated automatically?

[short ether]

Automatic

[civic fern]

Interesting

Brazil engine better not be dying that quickly

Literally been just Brazil and Saudi

[nocturne dock]

2 races is alot for a turned up engine

[open charm]

nah bro, lewis was running higher wing

[languid fractal]

That's why am asking if they just added more wing

[short ether]

Yeah their wing is huge

But they’ve always had a huge wing

It’s almost Monaco spec, they have to do it to keep up in the corners and for the balance on high fuel

FP3 speed trap Lewis was 324
Qualifying he was 320

If I remember correctly

[nocturne dock]

monaco spec is def more

[short ether]

Idk if the Brazil engine dying, we will see in the race where the ICE will be a larger factor

[short ether]

Yep

Max (with tow) vs Lewis after second straight

The RB was also much faster on the first straight

[nocturne dock]

hm

[short ether]

Coming onto the first straight they were equal

Then end of second straight max was 2 tenths ahead

RB and Max perfected their setups, on Friday they were very fast and consistent on the soft tyre

Max was still setting fast laps/equalling PB on softs that were 7/8 laps old

[alpine ice]

They hold nicely

We just haven’t seen there stage after 10-15 laps

[short ether]

Dyu think it’ll be a 2 stop?

Hards can go pretty long

We may have another Hungary 2019

[alpine ice]

For RB more likely than met s

Mercs

[short ether]

Hmm

When does f2 start?

[alpine ice]

Idk

Like 2-3 hours before the race start

[short ether]

It’s on now

[alpine ice]

Oh ok

[short ether]

No

Wtf

So confusing

Ah

It’s 9am UK time

In 45 mins

That RB is so quick on the straights

Wow, Hamilton and Bottas 16th and 18th

This can’t just be more wing?

[languid fractal]

Interesting 🤔

That's the speed trap figures I saw

[short ether]

Yeah

So strange

Wtf did Mercedes do from FP3 to Quali

.

For reference, this is Jeddah qualifying speed traps

[languid fractal]

Maybe they didn't nail setup for 1 lap pace

[short ether]

Idk

[languid fractal]

Didn't toto also say even without a tow they wouldn't match max

[short ether]

It would be naive to think they were expecting pole and lead lap 1

[short ether]

Yeah, tow gave max 1 tenth

Red Bull was rapid on the soft tyre

Max nowhere near comfortable on mediums

Hardly used it in practise and locked up in Q2

[languid fractal]

Yeah on the meds he wasnt

[short ether]

Perez can win Max the title

[languid fractal]

He can

[short ether]

Bottas needs to send it

[short ether]

Into Max.

[languid fractal]

Lol

If bottas gets a bad start, I don't expect him quickly pass the traffic

[short ether]

Definitely going to be a safety car

[dense kayak]

is soft to med to med a viable strategy?

in abu dhabi

[short ether]

Would be puncture territory

[dense kayak]

so soft to hards?

or soft to hard to med

[short ether]

Yep

Soft hard

[dense kayak]

daamn

[short ether]

Idk about 2 stop

[dense kayak]

this is gonna be interesting

[short ether]

Yeah

It will either be boring or amazing

[dense kayak]

im assuming lewis is gonna run long on mediums

[short ether]

Lol

Max either lead and control

[dense kayak]

and do a stop for softs

[short ether]

Drive off

Or Merc will chase

[short ether]

Yeah

[dense kayak]

damn

[short ether]

We will see

The pace

[dense kayak]

im scared honestly

for max

[short ether]

If Merc are slow they will be forced an undercut

[dense kayak]

wish perez was a bit higher

[short ether]

RB is looking very strong

[dense kayak]

so he can help max

[short ether]

Max just needs to control his first stint

[dense kayak]

honestly hope he wins

[short ether]

He will definitely be up there, only Norris between

[dense kayak]

i just hope we will have a clean safe race today

saudi was crazy

[short ether]

I hope it’s close

I don’t want Max driving off

[dense kayak]

and the fia was inconsistent asf

[short ether]

Or Lewis driving off

[dense kayak]

yeah

[short ether]

We can’t have a boring race to end this season

[dense kayak]

yep

[short ether]

Yep

[short ether]

Carnage

[dense kayak]

i just wish max didnt flat spot the fuck out of the meds

[short ether]

He’s not going to need them

He did flat spot them

[dense kayak]

if he didnt

he wouldnt have gone for another set of softs

[short ether]

Soft hard

[gentle orchid]

How did merc manage to not spend tokens this season

[dense kayak]

soft to hard is a hard startegy to do

[short ether]

I don’t understand that token shit

[dense kayak]

didnt need to i guess

[short ether]

It’s possible

Track position is king

Softs are not a terrible tyre

According to FP2

[gentle orchid]

How many laps it is?

[feral vessel]

58

Soft to Hards and Soft to Mediums are quick as each other, the only difference is that the Soft-Hard strategy would get you a good getaway from the start and take track position, while Soft Medium gives you more flexibility in the pit window.

[open charm]

wasnt max running higher wing in fp2?

[short ether]

Not sure

[open charm]

iirc he was, so tyre wear might be worse in the race

[short ether]

Hmm

We’ll see

They’re definitely an unknown after 7 laps

[short ether]

Will the new red bull engine be any good next year?

[nocturne dock]

they will have honda help for next year only so its probably gonna be good

[short ether]

Oh

[amber tendon]

i need a race director and fia officals for my racing league pls dm me if you are intested

[neat sparrow]

ABSOLUTELY ROBBED #LH44

[civic fern]

deadass

[gilded galleon]

Hey guys as a Lewis Hamilton fan I decided to look into the rules... I found this:
39.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

[short ether]

why did rbr make checo dnf?

[crystal shale]

Highway robbery

[robust furnace]

Nothing gonna change now bruh

[pastel falcon]

Can Mercedes protest? Lapped cars didnt finish overtaking

[gilded galleon]

Ok but still shouldn’t have happened

[civic fern]

yes actually

[gilded galleon]

That’s partly my point copy pasting the rule refs

[civic fern]

but something tells me the FIA isn't gonna hear it

[pastel falcon]

Micheal Masi is brain dead man, im sorry

[gilded galleon]

Regs*

[final tide]

mad cuz mercedes fan
be happy that lewis hasn't killed max yet

[gilded galleon]

Lol

But still

If I can find a reason that shouldn’t have happened in 5 mins Mercedes can try change it

[naive thunder]

https://twitter.com/formationlapf1/status/1470041488235061252?t=-j_XoAUb7axE9VpB2KELnw&s=09

TheFormationLapF1 (@formationlapf1)

@chainbear Sporting Regulation 39.12. The safety car needed to stay out one more lap as it has to wait until the lap AFTER the cars unlap themselves to come in.

Retweets

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Likes

732

Twitter · Dec 12, 2021, 2:42 PM

[gilded galleon]

yep

[vague wharf]

They can but nothing will change, Masi doesn’t have to stick to the rules written down and he definitely knows it

[gilded galleon]

lemme find the regs again

[pastel falcon]

Seems like a stupid GP

[gilded galleon]

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_5_-_2020-12-16.pdf read section 39.12

[naive thunder]

That seems stupid

[pastel falcon]

If one can just do that

[naive thunder]

Honestly masi kinda ruined f1

[pastel falcon]

Exactly, then whats the point of having them

[gilded galleon]

ikr

so im up at almost midnight talking about this...

[vague wharf]

Does

[naive thunder]

None considering that

[gilded galleon]

thats how stupid it is

[pastel falcon]

You can say Max deserved the WDC and I would agree but Lewis deserves the win.

[gilded galleon]

yep

[robust furnace]

🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX🦁🧡

[gilded galleon]

bruh

[pastel falcon]

Masi is gone so lets hope we have some actual good GPs now

[gilded galleon]

LETS GOOOO

[civic fern]

cringe

[gilded galleon]

kinda pog

[civic fern]

bruh

[vague wharf]

The whole situation ruined Lewis, he couldn’t pit as there is a chance there wouldn’t be a restart but he couldn’t stay out as there was a chance there would be a restart

[gilded galleon]

and it feels good talking to people who UNDERSTAND WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

lol

[pastel falcon]

Yeah, but lapped cars didnt even finish overtaking

[gilded galleon]

the large majority of my friend dunno what f1 is

[final tide]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-ask-super-max-lewis-hamilton-fan-f1-gif-23520719

lets be honest, lewis got a good advantage on the turn 1 incident which was not investigated

[gilded galleon]

can u let us talk about the regs

[gilded galleon]

it was turn 6 and max forced him off

[pastel falcon]

It doesnt matter, he was faster overall

[gilded galleon]

he had no choice

[final tide]

i meant lap 1

[civic fern]

this is not a shitposting channel

[gilded galleon]

xD

[final tide]

well yeah he did not but he still got the advantage didn't he

[pastel falcon]

Im surprised Ham kept his cool.

[final tide]

unlike toto

[gilded galleon]

want me to get the clip?

fa

x

[pastel falcon]

I would have started throwing hands 🤣

At Masi

[final tide]

toto overreacts too much tbh

masi is stupid

[pastel falcon]

Max and Ham can agree

[civic fern]

masi has actually been a disaster

[pastel falcon]

Since the start

[civic fern]

like you can enjoy your Max WDC courtesy of him this year

wait till it goes the other way next year

[final tide]

i respect lewis for putting up a good competition tbh

[final tide]

eh that is unpredictable

new cars

new everything

[gilded galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JJ55EaHcw watch this guys, max cut him off

[pastel falcon]

Lets see how 2022 RB car is, it might be a 2020 ferrari

[gilded galleon]

xD

hope so lmao

kinda

not rly coz racing

[civic fern]

yeah but given his track record this season i don't think anyone is predicting massively better conduct from Masi regardless of what sized wheels the cars have

[vague wharf]

Again Masi doesn’t have to stick to the rules, dumb, should change imo but stupid rules

[pastel falcon]

Ok, can someone explain how the safety car went without the lapped cars finishing? Is it because Masi is an idiot?

[pastel falcon]

Thanks!

[civic fern]

apparently, yes

and its also a violation of the regulations

[final tide]

its not just the wheels
they can race closer now
ground affect is coming back

lotta new shit

[pastel falcon]

Ok but then whats the point of having regs then?

[vague wharf]

Just like the other reply, Masi doesn’t have to stick to the rules

[pastel falcon]

It it just a suggestion?

[gilded galleon]

because masi didnt follow the rules, it took me 5 mins to find how he broke the rules and im not the one having to memorise the regs

[vague wharf]

Exactly what I’m saying

[civic fern]

does that mean cars will be closer and that means more incidents for Masi to deal with? oh dear

[final tide]

toto was like NO MASI but masi was like haha fuck you

[final tide]

well you could say that too

more rear ending

[pastel falcon]

I love merc but it was kinda funny

[gilded galleon]

yep

[final tide]

i respect all teams for their dedication

except hass

[civic fern]

well to be "fair" he was like fuck you to Christian/Jonathan on lap 1

[gilded galleon]

and lewis for both the safety car and vsc was at a disadvantage. he couldnt pit

[pastel falcon]

But merc is 100% gonna protest. It should be fun to watch

[final tide]

hass can suck on some used tires or some shit idk

[final tide]

its toto so ofc

but theres nothing that they can do about it

[gilded galleon]

that wasnt as serious and max kinda blocked him

[pastel falcon]

Yeah, and some how he still could have won

[final tide]

true but that wasn't that much of a big deal

[gilded galleon]

he clicked that block button on discord hard

[final tide]

the SC that toto protested against cost lewis his win

[gilded galleon]

thats what verstappen did turn 6

[naive thunder]

So apparently Mercedes are most likely gonna fight it but there’s an issue with how clear the regulation is

[gilded galleon]

i dont think so

i found it xD

[civic fern]

well, what could happen if mercedes are successful in their protest

[gilded galleon]

39.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

[pastel falcon]

Merc is gonna find it but lets see what FIA and Masi does

[naive thunder]

Yeah

[gilded galleon]

max gives the win, scrap the final lap and lewis get his 8th

[final tide]

.

[civic fern]

scrap the final lap is the thing

is that even a thing

[final tide]

lmao so what'd be the point of all that celebration

[gilded galleon]

sends email to mercedes containing the words: sporting regs, 39.12

[naive thunder]

Imagine max gets the title gets took off max and given to Lewis if the protest works

[final tide]

merc would get hella backlash from rb/max fans

[gilded galleon]

yep

[final tide]

like maaaaaaaaad

death threats every 10 miliseconds for atleast a month

[gilded galleon]

yea

bout right

[pastel falcon]

As @vague wharf said, Masi can choose to follow the regs if he wants or just ignore them soo..

[robust furnace]

🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX 🧡🦁🦁🧡 SUPER MAX🦁🧡

[pastel falcon]

Stop spamming man, its a technical channel

[civic fern]

t h i s i s n o t a s h i t p o s t i n g c h a n n e l

[gilded galleon]

but also its kinda scuffed that he can do that as that means he can just make it up as he goes

[robust furnace]

Lewis fans really angry rn..huh

[gilded galleon]

says the red bull fan

[civic fern]

take a guess pal

[pastel falcon]

Masi change the rules so Mazepin win 🙏

[naive thunder]

Well na

[gilded galleon]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

no

[naive thunder]

Go back to #f1｜abu-dhabi-gp mate

[gilded galleon]

and dont u mean crashespin

[final tide]

overexcited overhyped rb fans rn spamming shit everywhere like shut up we get it max won

[naive thunder]

This chat is for non-toxic people

[gilded galleon]

xD

[final tide]

even if that happens, mazepin would still DNF

[gilded galleon]

lol

[pastel falcon]

Ok, what we learned is that FIA regs are optional

[naive thunder]

I wonder what’s gonna happen to LATIFI

[gilded galleon]

bro mazepin has worked out how to dnf from getting to the gp xD

[civic fern]

but yeah the last lapped car did not pass Lewis Hamilton before the safety car went into the pits so like.....

nice FIA regs

[naive thunder]

https://twitter.com/georgerussell63/status/1470040401323175950?s=21

George Russell (@GeorgeRussell63)

Max is an absolutely fantastic driver who has had an incredible season and I have nothing but huge respect for him, but what just happened is absolutely unacceptable. I cannot believe what we’ve just seen.

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Twitter · Dec 12, 2021, 2:38 PM

[gilded galleon]

yea

[pastel falcon]

It comes down to what ever Masi wanted at the time

[gilded galleon]

and they have to wait a lap too

[civic fern]

apparently so

[pastel falcon]

and Masi wanted TV drama

[gilded galleon]

yep, bout right

[civic fern]

pepega George

[gilded galleon]

twitter is now split in 2

twit and ter

twit is the merc fans and ter is the red bull fans

[pastel falcon]

Again, Max had a really good drive this season but Ham deserved the win today.

[gilded galleon]

yea

[civic fern]

i think if Lewis got the 8th he would be more into mentoring George but now Lewis is definitely leaning towards doing what Alonso did to Vandoorne

[gilded galleon]

lewis did everything right

[pastel falcon]

Can someone link twitter? I wanna see

[gilded galleon]

complete facts

[gilded galleon]

makes twitter account

im not joking tho

[viscid shoal]

uh oh

[civic fern]

48.12?

[pastel falcon]

Masi woudent do shit, but that is it

[gilded galleon]

twitter told me i had to follow 1 account, i think i found it

[naive thunder]

Yeah

[gilded galleon]

what abt 39.12

states the safety car had to stay out

[naive thunder]

Idk

[civic fern]

48.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system.

yep its this all right

[naive thunder]

Lol

[gilded galleon]

39.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

what r u looking at

[naive thunder]

This season was built different

[gilded galleon]

true

[final tide]

it was interesting and nail biting

tbh

[pastel falcon]

Yeah

The ending was a bit BS but the GP in it self was pretty good

for Yas

[gilded galleon]

just saying, max goes further than this

lap 6

lewis tries to go round

[viscid shoal]

this is the only thing every single F1 fan can agree on

[gilded galleon]

true

[pastel falcon]

The opening thing doesnt matter, Ham was still faster than Ver

[gilded galleon]

ye

still trynna fix twitter

its stuck loading

[pastel falcon]

Yeah , Im on merc twitter now

[civic fern]

i think this is an older version

i pulled 48.12 from the August 2021 sporting regulations

[wet cove]

shut all you mouths, your new signed driver russell cant even finish a race so shush

[gilded galleon]

bruh

kk

[civic fern]

and 48.12 is what Merc are protesting

[gilded galleon]

lemme check

[pastel falcon]

This is a technical channel, go to #f1｜abu-dhabi-gp or #formula-1 @wet cove

[gilded galleon]

u replied to the wrong guy...

[gilded galleon]

yea apparently the one i found was may 2020 but its first when u type up fia 2021 rule regulations...

[pastel falcon]

what

[civic fern]

well, by this point its mostly displeased Merc fans digging into regulations while downing shots of copium

[gilded galleon]

i was gonna go and edit a video for my yt but this is much more fun lmao

and the red bull guys r stampeding every other channel

[pastel falcon]

Yeah, I waned to have a convo and just got spammed with "cry more"

[gilded galleon]

oof

its kinda stupid tho like honestly why csn masi change the rules to decide the championship

he should have to go off the rules for smth like that

[pastel falcon]

idk man idk

[gilded galleon]

same

what even happened to the guy

perez

he just strolled in

[pastel falcon]

Yep

[gilded galleon]

perez is one of my favourite drivers but like also red bull is an enemy

[pastel falcon]

Ham was 12 seconds a head of Ver while him being on old tires

[gilded galleon]

yea

[pastel falcon]

Masterclass driving

[gilded galleon]

yep

max deserved the title but not that win

like we've said

[pastel falcon]

Yeah, kinda feel for him that this title will always be debated

[gilded galleon]

yea

[pastel falcon]

Max won the last lap not the GP

[gilded galleon]

yep

coz he could actually pit

and also have masi on his side

MIDNIGHT

[naive thunder]

?

[gilded galleon]

for me its midnight

ok?

also check my status lmao

[naive thunder]

lol

[pastel falcon]

Im just checking twitter 🤣

[naive thunder]

It’s 4pm for me

[gilded galleon]

xD

LETS GO

CLICK LIKE GUYS

QUICK

[naive thunder]

Come on lads

[pastel falcon]

I wonder if mercedes take FIA to court since this is a championship

[naive thunder]

Idk

[gilded galleon]

could

i went onto the wtf1 twitter and replied to this tweet

this is what i replied with:

Me discussing the rule regulations on discord

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-modern-times-laptop-black-cat-gif-16524534

xD

[pastel falcon]

Every F1 fan rn

[gilded galleon]

https://twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1470049718864650242?s=20

WTF1 (@wtf1official)

Right then. Do you think the Safety Car procedure during those final laps was fair? #AbuDhabiGP #WTF1

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1559

Twitter · Dec 12, 2021, 3:15 PM

[gilded galleon]

xD

[gilded galleon]

check thi

s

https://twitter.com/JoshSpeed2010/status/1470061754004631553?s=20

check this one xD

[pastel falcon]

dude my body hurts from anger

[gilded galleon]

fax

https://twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1470062509814165515?s=20

[pastel falcon]

Well off season should be fun

[gilded galleon]

this has turned into #talkingabouttwitter

[pastel falcon]

Max and Ham fans divided than ever

[gilded galleon]

agreed

yep

not like it was already divided at the race