f1-technical

[polar fern]

In this specific graph

[sharp sundial]

Oh micro sectors? Never heard of them being used outside of stewarding

That’s neat

[regal rose]

for example piastri's 33.062 is bc he has the fastest sector 1 time?

[polar fern]

Yes

White over there like his 40.256 is same as yellow

[regal rose]

so why no purple for sectors 2 and 3?

[polar fern]

Someone else did them faster

It’s only showing their last lap on the right

Sorry hard to explain haha

[regal rose]

no its helpful thanks

[polar fern]

All good

[regal rose]

ohhh i see

so the times and squares reset each lap

[polar fern]

I’ve gotta go, any questions @ me and I’ll try help later

[polar fern]

Correct

[regal rose]

but even so shouldnt someone else have purple/best time for sectoe 2 or 3?

okay

[polar fern]

Well it could’ve been set previously in the session not on anyones last lap

[regal rose]

ohhhhh

okay

thanks

ik you gotta go but last question whats with the graph on the veru botttom?

[polar fern]

where people are in current laps I think...don't know sorry

[zinc bison]

Is engine stroke and bore mandated by the FIA or are teams allowed to control them so long as the capacity is 1.6 litres?

I'm just trying to understand how there's been so much difference in engine since 2014

[iron shale]

SF-24 floor

[opaque arch]

Yes they are all controlled

[stuck tulip]

Hi I'm new to F1, what would be the best way to learn about the cars that are used?

[wooden abyss]

Some videos on yt, or just ask here

Not to me tho, I'm not an expert in mechanics and stuff

[stuck tulip]

Fairs

I come from a IT background but my dad's a car and F1 nut so I thought heyo may as well learn a bit

[lost jungle]

What do you guys make of the fact that verstappen just broke the lap record round Jeddah? Beating the pole time of 2021. Were the 2021 cars just that much slower than the 2020 cars or is it just that these cars produce absurd amounts of down force in the high speed corners which this track is full of?

As the RB20 was almost 2 secs slower than the fastest time at Bahrain

Even though the w11 probably wasn't using a faster engine mode cause they were banned

I could be wrong on that one

[limpid token]

there are several reasons

1/ the track was super green in 2021
2/ the walls were essentially ont he white line, making it both longer and more blind
3/ this is the exact track the 2022+ cars will be better at, since you barely have any low level corners

[lost jungle]

So overall, the previous generation of cars are still technically faster?

Or should I say, the fastest

It's astonishing how much performance F1 engineers can get out cars

No matter how restrictive the regs are

[radiant elm]

Isn’t really the right channel but is there a app to follow all motorsports series such as imsa f1 WEC Wrc etc etc

[merry delta]

I would argue yes. Now, how much faster the RB20 is over the RB19 & 18 remains to be seen fully. However, the previous generation had both less mass and more aerodynamic features

[lost jungle]

Same, especially the ones before 2021 because in 2021, the cars lost a considerable amount of down force . But still it's quite amazing how even with these sets of regulations the engineers can find more performance

[tender kraken]

this track tho

[silver badge]

Can someone explain why McLaren’s DRS was so underpowered in Jeddah?

[wispy jacinth]

What’s it called when a car like skids on top of a sausage kerb like it’s a train track

Like it follows the kerb but can’t turn cuz the tyre is off the ground

[limpid token]

It wasn't by any significant margin, they just run a big wing and their topspeed was lower for both DRS and without

[silver badge]

Is that a setup thing or is their wing characteristically bigger?

[deft burrow]

Not really the right channel for this, but it’s just referred to as bottoming out by most people. I don’t believe there is a more specific term for it.

[limpid token]

just bigger

[silver badge]

Damn how am I only just noticing this

Thanks for the info @limpid token

[mellow bloom]

Why doesn't f1 add windows instead of halos, I have seen windows on other open wheels like indy car

I wonder what would be more aerodynamic

[amber kraken]

Wait, so how does the Brake by Wire system works for the brakes?

https://twitter.com/Formuladdict/status/1767238181915693496

FORMULA ADDICT (@Formuladdict) on X

A simplified demonstration of how the front brakes work in an F1 car.

Twitter · Mar 11, 2024, 5:16 PM

[merry delta]

it is more aerodynamic

however, there was essentially a design competition where different solutions were presented to the FIA for future F1

F1 eventually chose the halo since it passed the tests as required

the window-based concepts did not

Indycar did something similar; however, (I believe) RB took their existing window solution, added more or less a halo, and Indycar found it to be good

thus, the Indycar windscreen is essentially a combination of a halo and a windscreen whereas F1 has solely the halo

[deft burrow]

both being needed for completely different reasons

[limpid token]

Ferrari also tested theirs

[abstract pawn]

The aeroscreen and aeroshield are different things

The aeroscreen is what is in your first images and the aeroshield is in the last two images

[flint wraith]

How do they differ?

[abstract pawn]

From what I gather there is not a massive difference in what function they are supposed to fill

But one of the shortfalls with the shield was that it made drivers dizzy during the initial test

And the biggest shortfall was the fact it was also not passing the FIA tests by the time they had to make the decision on what to use for 2018

[limpid token]

Like @merry delta mentioned, there was a chance for the teams to come up with a proposal for driver protection, you had 3 designs

RB tested aeroscreen
Ferrari tested aeroshield
and Halo

all those were tested and in the end Halo was chosen for implementation for 2018 F1 season

RBR aeroscreen was subsequently picked up by IndyCar for their use

[abstract pawn]

The screen is by Red Bull Advanced Technologies, not Red Bull Racing - and the shield was not developed by Ferrari but rather the FIA as with the halo

[tender kraken]

imagine being rehabilitated for f1

[edgy anchor]

This livery was so fire

[gentle hatch]

Seb hated it

[blazing saffron]

yeah it distorted his view of the track

[civic fern]

The halo was from Mercedes

[mellow bloom]

cursed f1 car

[unique burrow]

Manor with a fucking LMP type of wheel

[craggy moon]

Tf

So many dials lmao

[edgy anchor]

That's F1 wheels for you

[craggy moon]

thats way more than normal lmao

[edgy anchor]

Is it?

[deft burrow]

They used more rotary switch dials than everyone else, but I think it is more or less the same amount that everyone else has, just different types

[craggy moon]

red bull and vcarb have the most dials to my knowledge at 5, that is 7

[abstract pawn]

The top two dials on either side of the screen fill the same function as the thumb rotaries on current wheels

So it is not that unusual

[slender wagon]

RBAT

[floral thorn]

Glare from the sun would be an obvious problem

[waxen jackal]

what are all the buttons for?

im no good with cars

[deft burrow]

There's a lot of different modes they're used for

Switching on/off sensors, ERS, brake balance, differential, etc.

[craggy moon]

also radio, drink button, engine maps, fuel/air ratio, etc

so many settings

[rich gust]

I am confused by how how a split turbo vs a conventional one works

like what advantages does the layout give

[opaque arch]

@rich gustIn 2014, most other teams went for traditional turbos with the MGUH closely attached. For the spilt turbo, U got the turbine at the back and the compressor at the front. U spilt the shafts and u put the MGUH at the middle. (This is where the efficiency gains) U separate the turbine from the compressor avoiding the exhaust gases bleed into the compressor, reducing intake temperatures (smaller intercooler). Anyways, the main point of the spilt turbo is to increase efficiency of the MGUH, minimizing the exhaust heat loss so the MGUH can regen more power. During the hybrid era, the more energy you can regen is more important than the peak power that you can deliver as the main point of racing is to maintain a high consistent power output. In addition, there is a fuel flow limit for current cars, so the real part that defines your engine is actually your efficiency of your MGUH / the hybrid system. You can also increase power by redesigning parts of the combustion engine, but it is really expensive and takes quite lot of time. The fastest way to increase the engine performance for race pace is to increase the efficiency of hybrid system, maintaining the 150HP extra boost as long as possible in a race. Hope this helps.

[rich gust]

Ah thanks for explaining

Also

Why did they introduce the 1998 F1 rules that reduced the body width of F1 cars so much

97 vs 98

[ancient scaffold]

different camera angles could play a part

[limpid token]

The rule changes are in two main parts, with cars being narrowed by 20cm and tyres now having grooves in them (3 at the front, 4 at the rear). The major motive behind this, says Moseley, is to increase safety. Speeds have increased dramatically this year and the grooved tyres will slash grip and, thus, cornering speed.

[edgy anchor]

What Svitman said but just as an elaboration: after the speeds dropped with the 95 regs, it reduced power and aero but only for a while. In the late 90's material useage exploded and weight of things like engines dropped by as much as 20 kilos and by 1997 the cornering speeds were in the range they were at in early 1994 if I am... Not speaking nonsense

Also unfortunately when you reduce size of an engine you increase its' speed potential

[zinc bison]

Is Haas the only team that doesn't manufacture their own chassis?

[drifting notch]

Why did Ferrari let Sainz win? Did i miss something yesterday? When you look to the constructors championship, it shouldnt matter for the team, because the sum of points is the same, but looking at the WDC, Leclerc would get even closer to max' points, why did they not swap? was Sainz just to fast or something else?

[limpid token]

Because SAI was faster

and it would be very much unfair and create too much drama to favor one driver over the other

[drifting notch]

Thanks!

[quiet mantle]

Bruh I almost believed it until I got to the appendix part

[rotund kelp]

Yeah careful with that, you want to make it clear it’s a joke unless you post it in #memes-no-ai-will-delete-😡 🤪

[quiet mantle]

Honestly I was thinking he got disqualified for throwing his gloves into the crowd and he wasn’t allowed to use the spares he got given before he was weighted

[viral ingot]

'Lewis Effect' Many key engineers at mercedes are leaving and joining Ferrari since his move

[tall wyvern]

‘Key engineers’
-> has been aerodynamicist for 5 months

[opaque arch]

i believe key engineers have really long contracts

only rookie engineers have short ones

[opaque arch]

and key engineers have freeze period when they switch jobs

[tribal pivot]

I dont understand lewis' driving style, does he prefer understeer or oversteer? As the w15 is an understeer car and lewis has been struggling with it so far.

[wicked quartz]

he prefers oversteer

but thats all i can say

[opaque arch]

i dont think driving style acts a huge role here. The car is just SLOW

[opaque arch]

i would say the w15 is oversteery as it has a relatively weak rear end.

[tribal pivot]

I see, I thought it was understeery cuz i read an analysis on it (it was after Bahrain testing)

[wispy vector]

what

[civic fern]

You already know who that is dont you

[civic fern]

Prefer understeer but can still drive oversteer super well

It really depends on the feeling of the car

His problem with the W15 isnt the oversteer, its more like the rear end is inconsistent

[short ether]

what if they just got rid of the mghu and then the combustion engine would matter more : ((

bring back the v10 while there at it

[civic fern]

Hamilton is a guy that can feel where the limit of the car is, and then drive at it for laps on end without crashing. But if its consistent and he cant figure out where the limit actually is, then he cant push

[short ether]

pretty sad f1 engines, some of the most advance gas engines in the world are being used as electric generators

[sharp sundial]

They have to maintain the illusion of sustainability. And while a big dumb hunk of screaming metal is good fun, the v10s of old are objectively worse than modern engines in every metric but sound and weight

[short ether]

the v10s had 3 mills of displacement per cylinder, how can they not burn 3 mills of air and petrol??

its a literal lawn mower engine with 9 more cylinders

[wicked quartz]

he prefers oversteer

[civic fern]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/22209168

tldr he likes Mercedes with rear grip

[paper vapor]

Question about classic H-pattern cars: since F1 cars have never had synchros, did the drivers of the h pattern cars use the clutch on every upshift and downshift, or did they just put pressure on the lever and lift/blip

And when we moved to sequentials, did the drivers have to blip/lift whenever they shifted?

And if not, how did it control that, given that it was just a conventional throttle cable at that point in time so there was no way to electronically control the throttle

I've answered my first question - it seems like the Ferrari 640 was the first car to move to throttle by wire alongside being the first with a paddle shifter

Ah, no, that's wrong, I think the Ferrari just tried to jam the gear in, without blipping or lifting

And then Williams introduced throttle by wire

But that could be wrong

I'm trying to figure out what the first F1 car with drive-by-wire was but noone seems to know

Okay my current thesis is that the ECU was able to cut the throttle on upshifts by delaying the spark plug activation but they just jammed the gear in on downshifts

On the basis that the sound of the downshift isn't particularly pronounced

In the onboard audios

And that there isn't really a way for the ECU to blip the throttle when it can't actuate the throttle

I think Williams were probably the first team to do throttle by wire

Which also would explain why Ferrari had such poor reliability with their gearbox

I suspect the fw14b is the first car with throttle-by-wire

[sharp sundial]

No f1 car has had drive by wire as of yet

[feral vessel]

Will the more powerful MGU-Ks in 2026 compensate for the turbo lag the cars will have?

[opaque arch]

@feral vessel yes the mguk will be twice powerful but it wouldn't help with the turbo lag

[limpid token]

RBR added a 4th different one

[tall wyvern]

New turning vane on the mirror stay too

[limpid token]

more angles

[keen kernel]

Who is Albert fabrega

[limpid token]

Journalist, majority of the update pics are from him and he heavily features in the official F1 tech demos (as he is the one preparing them)

[leaden anchor]

aero change

[paper vapor]

not for steering, but for throttle, they have been drive by wire for ages

[paper vapor]

It does to a certain extent, they can make up for the lack of power before the turbo kicks in with electricity and then reduce the MGU-K output once the turbo is spooled up

[modest solstice]

Still doesent help The turbo lag itself

[vestal depot]

And, turbo lag makes a beautiful sound

Just stick to naturally aspirated if you just going to put an MGU-H to remove that potential

[valid wigeon]

This is factual

[valid wigeon]

It doesn't need to be helped tbh

[paper vapor]

??? wdym, it does. Yes it doesn't spool up the turbo but in terms of the percieved lag by the driver, it does help.

[paper vapor]

I mean it definitely does, turbo lag makes it incredibly difficult to get out of a corner smoothly

[modest solstice]

Perception ≠ whats acctually happening

[paper wing]

Congrats @modest solstice, you're now on lap 10

[modest solstice]

• you Will still lose laptime with it

[paper vapor]

I dont think the driver cares much if his turbo isn't spooled up, as long as he's getting a consistent power band

noone is debating the fact that you'll loose laptime by not having an mgu-h lmao

[modest solstice]

yes, but It wont affect The turbo lag at all

[paper vapor]

I don't think you understand what turbo lag is

turbo lag doesn't refer to the fact that it takes time for the turbo to spool up

that's the cause

turbo lag is the symptom

turbo lag is the perception of putting your foot down, nothing happening for a few seconds, and then getting power

the mguk can reduce that perception

[modest solstice]

Thats The reason why people tried fixing turbo lag

If its not gonna increase laptime its not gonna be used

[paper vapor]

?

yeah obviously

the mguh does fix turbo lag and does improve lap time

[modest solstice]

that If there is a better part of The track where The batery can be used

[paper vapor]

noone is making the argument that it doesn't

[valid wigeon]

Then why not change the spool to that one funny wind turbine that spins insanely fast for barely anything

[paper vapor]

eh?

with turbos, you get what you pay for

[valid wigeon]

I forgot the name of the turbine

[paper vapor]

there's no magic turbo that compresses the same amount of gas to the same pressure with less exhaust input

[valid wigeon]

Nono

[modest solstice]

electric turbo

[valid wigeon]

I mean an turbine that uses outside air to spool up and then compress it using the other turbine

It's an old turbine

[paper vapor]

that's just a turbo

what

[valid wigeon]

Invented for water but functions very well with air

[paper vapor]

you can't compress air with air

lmao

[valid wigeon]

You can

I love it when I forget the name

[short ether]

the piston?

[sharp sundial]

Do you mean the two stage water jet?

I don’t think it’s possible to spool a turbine using ambient air

[limpid token]

of course it is, but its probably not worth it

[true pendant]

taking into account that china is a sprint race is the car Parc ferme after FP1?

[limpid token]

the new schedule for 2024

FP1

Parc Ferme closes Sprint Quali

Sprint Parc Ferme opens

Parc Ferme closes Quali

Race

[left geode]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C5jF6lcN5xe/?igsh=cGJ6bnJqMms5OWFv

[quick wind]

not sure about that one

[quick wind]

Sounds like you're describing a turbocharger?

Using exhaust gases, probably not outside air.. to spin a turbine connected to a compressor and then therefore pressurising intake ('outside') air for 'greater' MAF / performance.

[valid wigeon]

Yes and no

It works like a turbocharger

But instead uses outside air to spool up

[quick wind]

Hmmm, it would have to come in at a high pressure to deliver that kind of energy... I'm curious now

[dapper kernel]

Anyone know the mpg of formula E cars

[limpid token]

they dont have liquid fuel

but you can find how long the race is and how much % of allowed energy they can use (48% in london last year iirc)

[dawn hearth]

does anyone know what this slanted part of the car is for? this is ferraris f2005

[limpid token]

Most of the time it's called sharkfin and it prevents air from spilling to the other side of the car, there were really big around 2017, but then reduced back down

for this Ferrari , there might have been a legality limit on how high it can be, so they might be on the limit with it

[valid wigeon]

Yeah it's to prevent spillover

[dawn hearth]

cool thanks

[abstract lodge]

Why is spillover bad?

[short ether]

Do the cars run 500° steering lock this year or is it still 360°?

[devout steppe]

The cars run 360 steering lock?

[short ether]

I thought so but for some reason ea seem to think it's 500

[devout steppe]

Yeah, I thought it was higher

Maybe they change it for different tracks

[tall wyvern]

No it isn’t, it’s for bonus side force and corner stability

[modest solstice]

Generating side force which is basically downforce but The force is horizontal

[terse hamlet]

it's track dependent, Monaco is the big one I think of where they run 500° lock

[polar fern]

is it 500 or 540 they run

[viral ingot]

I have heard that bargeboards are making a comeback in 2026??

But they create so much dirty air

So idk if it is true

[devout steppe]

Yeah, Monaco is definitely way more than others

[wicked quartz]

hope they don't its literally pointless

it makes the racing worse

[tall wyvern]

I personally think they mainly just look stupid and the current fences look way better

[lucid vortex]

They look good though
But it's extra weight

[tough elm]

My understanding is more that the cars are going to remain fairly similar to how they look now, just 190cm wide and with a slightly shorter wheelbase than now. In terms of overbody features they are going to be roughly the same, just worse. Also I've heard rumors of active aero for drag reduction so these new pathetic engines can actually reach 300 kph with their (worse than) F2 engines with ~12 seconds of 450hp extra ERS deployment per lap.

the 2026 engine regs are so stupid that the cars will literally run out of electrical power on the Baku straight and have to downshift by the end of it because the power runs out.

Thing is that they will be able to harvest roughly as much power as they do now, but they only have 550ish horsepower worth of ICE power vs 850+ now. I just can't see them sticking with 70kg of fuel and a 3000MJ/h energy flow limit. I'd be surprised if they didn't raise it to at least 85kg and ~3500 MJ/h

[livid smelt]

well why is the hp decresing

me has questions

[limpid token]

its not really decreasing directly, they just limited the fuel (or more specifically) energy flow

[livid smelt]

hey

anyone ecsited about Red Bull RB 20

Mclaren is scared af rn

[vestal depot]

The only way to make these regs work is having some rapid recharging in the pitlane and removing the rear brakes like they do in Formula E

But instead they are going to produce cars significantly underpowered when the trend these days is more power

[tough elm]

that wouldn't work because they are only allowed to have a charge fluctuation of 4MJ

so if they charged they would only be allowed to charge up enough forlike 11 seconds of full deployment

[vestal depot]

Well yeah you gotta make the batteries bigger, perhaps switching to solid state so it isn't too heavy

[tough elm]

because they are decreasing the maximum fuel flow from 100kg/h to 3000 MJ/h (~70kg/h)

[vestal depot]

They need more fuel flow, go back to refuelling to keep the cars lighter

[tough elm]

while making the engines less efficien

they can remain at or even reduce fuel flow

but cutting it so much makes no sense

[vestal depot]

And I don't want to hear the argument that "you can't it's unsafe", like mates, you do what indycar does where they only allow one guy per tire instead of three to limit the danger

[tough elm]

like the cars will be somewhat smaller and lighter

so having fuel flow at 85 or 90kg would probably be okay

especially if they let them run enough fuel to keep the revs up to recharge the battery off-throttle

which my understanding is that they will do, just with the anemic fuel flow they are allowed now

[vestal depot]

I'd have it to where once you reach a certain speed the MGU-K shuts off and when you slow down that MGU-K does all the harvesting, ditch the rear brakes like Formula E does

[tough elm]

more like put the car into neutral and keep the revs high and run all the power straight into the MGU-K.

when you're off the throttle

so like in hairpins and stuff

like its stupid as fuck and goes against the idea of efficiency but it is whats going to happen to my understanding

[limpid token]

one minor thing that would help is front axel recharging

but teams rejected that

[vestal depot]

Efficiency shouldn't matter as much as technology, having fuel efficient ICE's but an electrical system that doesn't work often is a bad tradeoff

[vestal depot]

Again, no rear brakes but F1 hasn't even considered that

[limpid token]

I don't think you get even close to the needed braking without them

FE brake force is nothing compared to F1

[vestal depot]

Well that's the point, if the MGU-K has to do all the braking more energy to charge the battery is harvested

[livid smelt]

that is regenerating at its peak

[craggy moon]

could a SUPER strong magnet be used to recharge a battery under braking? like using the energy produced from the magnet brake to charge a battery?

[limpid token]

that's literally what they are doing right now and how all electric engines/generators work

[azure wind]

how exaclt does one generate energy from braking

[uneven sundial]

Magnets

[eternal echo]

Prayers

[azure wind]

how

[limpid token]

Electric motor and Generetor are the same thing

If you have an electric car and go downhill, you can 'brake' with your electric engines and recharge the battery this way

FE cars dont use the rear brake calipers at all and all their braking there is done with the electric engine to generate power (they still have real brakes there for emergency situations)

[azure wind]

but wont the wheels spin less while braking

[limpid token]

Imagine it like that

every 10 km/h is one of energy

if you were to brake only with your electric engine, every will turn into 🔋

you can then use that 🔋 to get back

in the electric car example, you are constatnly speeding up by going down hill, adding back any you lose by putting them into 🔋

To put it simply

🪫 -> 🔋

but

also this
🔋 -> 🪫

with some % of losses, because real world, but the process goes back and forth, with fuel (like gasoline, diesel, natural gas etc) you cant go backwards, thats not possible within the engine, but with electricity, you easily can

[short ether]

https://youtube.com/shorts/73useWXINwY?si=_wGjVdRkmgHKv0At

That's hot

50c in cockpit

[left geode]

In theory,could F1 teams find a alternative way/loophole to replace the MGU-H with another method in the new regs?

I was thinking they could fit a flywheel to store mechanical energy as well as the battery with eletrical energy

Or using a Supercapacitor

[bleak moss]

Whats the point

[hot charm]

theoretically if I place a bag of popcorn on the tires or brakes could I make a bag?

[flint wraith]

heard it can even reach 60c
fucken insane stuff... hard to believe a human could endure that for an hour and a half

[limpid token]

the tires can go above 100 °C, but pocorn popps at around 180, not even close

but brakes can go way higher than that

[sharp sundial]

Yeah the brakes would fry the popcorn lol

Operating temperature is 800-1000ºc bye bye popcorn

[sweet tree]

nothing worse than burnt popcorn

[unborn flame]

i do like slightly burnt popcorn

[sweet tree]

banned

[glacial geyser]

That shits fire🔥🔥🔥

[amber kraken]

Okay this has got me interested. How did Carlos managed to restart his engine after he spun during qualifying at Shanghai? Is the hybrid system of the Power Unit similar to the engines in the Le Mans Hypercars where they can do the "Hybrid Bumpstarts"?

[abstract pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/s/1U8uVmzVc2

This is from a couple years ago but I would imagine it still applies to a degree

Might give you an idea of how it works

[left geode]

They can use the battery/electrical power from the ERS as a starter to their cars

[limpid token]

They can restart 'easily' , we saw a few times during 2023 where VER queued up for Quali and stopped the engine for a minute or two before the light went green

[azure wind]

yeah but whats the acual mechanism

rotating magnets and coils of wire ?

like you provide power and it rotates the wheel

during braking when the wheels are still spinning (albeit less faster than on the straights) do they just power the battery back

[limpid token]

just search for any video on YT 'how electric engines work' and pick whatever, they are quite simple

[limpid token]

yes, they move the car energy into the battery

[echo temple]

I wonder how the RedBull will fare in Miami due to the warmer climate?

considering how narrow their inlets are

[limpid token]

they will be fine, the cooling is almost even more reliant on the exit size, you can see that if you look at Mexico pics

[modest solstice]

So The bigger The outlet The smaller The pressure inside The body?

that sucks in the Air from The inlet

[limpid token]

im 99% sure all inlets are oversized, as no teams is changing those every race and they only change the exhaust side

[quick wind]

^ This is correct w.r.t inlet, sometimes a 'high-tech' solution is warranted due to overcooling/excessive Mass flow rate where duct tape is used to block a proportion of intakes

[limpid token]

brake cooling is a good shout, where a tape is better than leaving it open

[zinc bison]

Who would've had third most overall wins in 2006?

Michael > Prost > Senna?

[limpid token]

Alonso was at 15 at that point

[polar fern]

it's not too bad under race conditions but you notice it under safety car 🤣

least in my formula car

[opaque arch]

true

when u are in 300kmh its like nothing

but pitlane and safety car

nah nah

[drowsy rampart]

channel is dead

nice

[worldly ferry]

what technical change stopped the ferarri domination?

[limpid token]

what year do you have in mind?

[worldly ferry]

schumacher era

99-04

[limpid token]

Tires mostly

Ferrari went frrom basically running 3 sprints back to back to back every race to be forced to keep a single tire alive the whole race and they were (and their tires) slow to react to it, Renault aced it and together with the tuned mass damper had a superior car, even if it was close

[left geode]

Also adding that the tyre used in the race was the same used in the qualifying

[drowsy rampart]

the new tire regs

literally designed to kill ferrari

[polar fern]

Adrenaline you don’t notice it much

And also more wind chill at high speeds

[worldly ferry]

3 sprints how?

[limpid token]

sprint is 100km, that's 1/3rd of a race (race is 305km)
they were running short stints and refuel/change tires every time, so their car was almost never running longer than 100km on a tank/tires

[limpid token]

that's why I compared it to running it as sprints, as you drive a bit, refuel and change tires, then repeat

as others have also said, the change to a single tire for quali/race was a huge deal of your car, tires and strategy were tuned for this sprint racing

[worldly ferry]

ohh I see what about the others, where they also limited to short sprints?

and how was it diffrent before the regulation changes?

[limpid token]

it was more like Ferrari commiting so hard towards these shorter lengths that the change hit them the hardest

[worldly ferry]

so those regs were manufactured to end them

[limpid token]

yes

[azure wind]

why havent the FIA done anything to stop RedBull

[waxen jetty]

´Cause they did nothing wrong? They´re just impresive ?

[charred crescent]

And what can they do?

[sharp sundial]

They’ve switched up the regs before in an attempt to buck off the dominant team. The aforementioned 2005 tyre regs are probably the most famous (and most ham fisted) example

[left geode]

Also,i think a good refresher is to remind of how Mercedes pushed FIA in bringing the TD39 at late 2022 and it ended up weakening teams like Mercedes themselves or Ferrari

[limpid token]

you first need something to do

if you dont know why one team is the fastest, you dont have anything you can reasonably touch

[tall wyvern]

Why would mercedes want a rule that makes them run the car higher when their car needed to be run the lowest?

[opaque arch]

use logic bro

[bitter trellis]

Or if one team is the fastest for multiple reasons. A pairing of an incredible driver and a simply well-designed car with a good engineering backing cannot be phased out by regs

[sharp juniper]

So F1 car eras have 2025-2022, 2021-2017, 2016-2009, 2008- What?

[sharp sundial]

2006. The era before that was 2000-2005, the first time engine regs started to get really constricted

[sharp juniper]

So why did Renault fall so hard?

[ancient scaffold]

Not sure if this falls under 'technical' but idk where else to put it, why were some cars on mediums in Q3?

[limpid token]

The track was so hot and the tires were overheating so fast, that some teams (McLaren and Merc) gambled on the medium being better

it didn't work and the pace was almost even, slightly in favor of softs, but if the track was little different or little hotter, mediums would have been faster

[ancient scaffold]

cheers

[left geode]

I believe the easy way to explain is pretty much Renault switching to the spec Bridgestone tyres, pretty much lower budget (if we consider that Alonso did take all of his sponsors to McLaren),terrible wind tunnel correlation during the transition to the 2007 car and the ban of the tuned mass damper

[hollow kettle]

yo guys how much do f1 mechanics make

[hollow kettle]

and how to get there

[ornate lake]

Really hard to put a generic figure on them all. Different teams will pay more than others. Then if they’re factory based workers or will travel to the GP as part of the team.

But I put a safe guess that if you’re an F1 mechanic travelling as part of the team you’d be on pretty good money and free travel / hotels / food expenses on top of the salary would definitely make it very appealing to a lot of people.

[hollow kettle]

what would you have to do to get there. ive seen many results on google but i want other opinions

[opaque arch]

depends on ur role

if its a senior engineer then it would be 250k - 400k (depends on department) typically this role will be 45+

if its just an engineer it would really depends on what type it is (dont expect astronomical numbers) i would say 80K - 150K

Due to the budget cap, the salary of an engineer prob decrease cuz its include in the budget cap

only top paying engineers' salary are excluded such as head of aero / head of engine

this is just a overall prediction, it really depends on the team that the engineer is working for

I guess the difference between williams and ferrari is about 1.25 - 1.5 times

@hollow kettle

[abstract pawn]

Ferrari pay the worst salaries of any team on the grid

Because they think part of the salary is working for such an iconic team as Ferrari

But to put it simply; you do not get into working in F1 if you want to get rich because you will not

Pay is extremely average for the average F1 team member

[hollow kettle]

What about like the guys in the pit stop crew, the mechanics

[sharp sundial]

They double up on roles so that the teams don’t have to send extra personnel to the gps. Quite often they’re mechanics

[hollow kettle]

Wdym

[sharp sundial]

Misread the message, sorry

[hollow kettle]

No worries

[round shore]

How can I join an F1 team being a programmer?

[devout steppe]

Does aeronautics and aerospace help getting a role in an F1 team as an aerodynamicist or is there a better major in university?

[tall wyvern]

No that’s the best

[devout steppe]

Ah, I see

Thanks!

[tall wyvern]

Read the essential skills part of this job advert and work out what you need to do to get those skills https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/careers/vacancies/REQ-240155

[hollow kettle]

What about being a mechanic the one in the pits

[hollow kettle]

Am i supposed to see a difference

Oh sidepod

[feral vessel]

https://fxtwitter.com/Yuyujiteki_Si/status/1788864275773276198

[craggy moon]

Is there a rule about testing old f1 cars for teams?

Like a driver driving a 2022 car

Is that limited?

[limpid token]

yes

they have changed it recently to be a more lentient

it used to be way harsher than that

[craggy moon]

how much is it limited too

here is what f1 should do, for every 5 dollars/pounds you spend on the car you put in 1 pound/dollar into a prize pool. no spending limits, no testing limits, ect. this prize pool goes into the bottom x teams, evens the playing field and allows teams to make faster cars and fairer driving

[hollow kettle]

Lets say i want to be a f1 mechanic that does pit stops or/and fixing the car. What would i have to do and what do they make. Any answer from anyone would be incredibly helpful

[hollow kettle]

Great idea

[limpid token]

As was the case this season, teams will be permitted to run so-called ‘promotional events’ – commonly referred to as ‘filming days’ – in which they may run their current cars using specifically designed tyres. However, the previous 100 kilometre allowance for filming days has been doubled, with a clarification that teams are only allowed to carry out one promotional filming event in a single day.

One major benefit for teams next season is that regulations over ‘testing of previous cars’ (TPC), which allows teams to run private F1 track days with cars at least two years old, will permit teams to run 2022 cars that use the ground effect aerodynamic concepts of the current generation of F1 cars. However, a new tweak to the TPC rules for 2024 states that teams must only use components and software that was used at at least one grand prix event or test during the 2022 season – preventing teams from using TPC days for running experimental or untested parts that could be used to gather data for their 2024 cars.

from racefans article
TLDR: new cars just 200km, older cars (in 2022 race spec) unlimited

[west nimbus]

One good way would be to do something like an apprenticeship on that job for another company. Gives you experience + a qualification. Then once you have some experience you can work your way up

[tall wyvern]

Do what i just did and find and advert for a mechanic job. I would maybe email GB3 teams and ask if they need help, especially if you’re young.

I think they always need more mechanics, especially the big teams who run loads of cars in loads of series

[round shore]

Can someone tell me about a good YouTube channel to understand the proper aero dynamics of the car? Like ik good bits , but just want good detailed explanation on like 3 D models and stuff

[sweet tree]

kyle engineer

p sure he worked for mercedes

[hollow kettle]

Thanks, but which companies have this. Also what would you do afterwards

[west nimbus]

Afraid that's something you'll have to research yourself. Also what you do afterwards is up to you. You can stay for more experience, look elsewhere etc

[weary gazelle]

I like

[stuck cradle]

There are enough other racing series that need pitstop people i would say get experience in that maybe do engineering and after sometime try at the f1 teams

[hollow kettle]

Thanks

[craggy moon]

actually, the pot should only start after a certian amount of money is met, without that, there would be not a lot of vertical mobility for the teams with less money

they would have to pay a lot after making it to the top like 5 to stay competitive

[glad hamlet]

I think that the FIA shouldn’t be so strict on regulations. like DAS could’ve revolutionised F1. The Cara should be smaller and thinner so they could race in Monaco with more action. the V10 and V8 should be availible as optional choices. The sport is made for danger so the F-duct should be back and also DRS should be banned. DRS makes racing and overtaking super easy. The sport is pure speed so they should make it more to internal combustion over hybrid. The rainbow tires should come back for more strategy flexibility. If the tires had more wear than currents the race would certainly be more interesting with more stops and weird strats.

Street tracks r not 4 F1

[silent heron]

So you said that cars should be smaller so to race in Monaco, but that street tracks are not made for F1

Also, the sport being made for danger I don’t agree with. I agree that some elements should return and shouldn’t be banned, but I also think that without DRS overtaking would be too hard

[glad hamlet]

It’s a perm track Monaco

Tbh if F1 allowed multiple tires company it would make the races or the cars more interesting

[limpid token]

DAS is nothing in grand scheme of things, its just a complicated system to heat tires for quali laps

Engines don't matter, teams would all pick the best options, might as well do that directly

Fduct is also nothing if everyone has it, might as well do active aero and not force drivers to take hands off the wheel

DRS is needed, the number of overtakes without it would be almost nothing

we have the rainbow, the same one as before, we just color the tires the same to make it easier for casual fans

[hollow kettle]

sorry im kinda dum. by companies do you mean racing teams? sorry for the questions

[deft burrow]

No, it's not.

[west nimbus]

Nah you're all good mate. Yeah just different teams. Most people start in a lower category/motorsport all together and work their way up, so your options are quite wide

[naive dune]

is there a specific reason why our quali was super good last year but is dogshit fucking ass this year? and i feel like the ferraris are 4-5kph slower on the straights than say a mclaren

because our sector 1 was

a fucking shit show

what a terrible race for ferrari

but is there like a specific thing about the upgrades or our car overall this year that makes the car better in race pace

[rich gust]

Why did pretty much all the F1 teams right around the end of the V8 era, ~2013 have the same steering wheel display/gauge cluster

When just a few years prior, each team had their own unique ones:

did it get mandated or something

[tidal stump]

does anyone know percentage wise how much downforce an f1 floor produces?

[ornate lake]

Theoretically speaking an F1 car creates enough downforce beneath it through vortex air (mini tornados) that it can drive on a ceiling.

[tidal stump]

yh i heard about that, dk if i could include that in my epq tho

😭

could actually include it tho

thanks

[ornate lake]

What is an epq sorry?

[tidal stump]

Extended Project Qualification

its like an effective dissertation

but for year 12's

[ornate lake]

Two words for you

Cleo Abram

[ornate lake]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgdOMXhEj0

Go to 5 minutes 30 seconds and watch that clip 🔖

Explains about the different forces of air acting upon an F1 car and how they try to achieve it

[tidal stump]

I mean i understand about downforce, lift, drag etc

[ornate lake]

Oh my bad 😔

[tidal stump]

i have to write about stuff like Bernoullis principle, Meshes and like the Coanda effect

its hard

[tidal stump]

no no appreciate the help

its just slightly more in depth 😂

[tall wyvern]

Coanda effect doesn’t apply to f1 cars because it describes a jet

[leaden mulch]

Hey does anybody knows where I can find the Pirelli track analysis because I used to see them on f1data.analytic but they don’t post them anymore…?

Like that

[limpid token]

#1242792515950608385 message they are always posted in the docs

[leaden mulch]

Thank man

[limpid token]

and if you want the nice graphic version, Pirelli motorsport Twitter/X account should be posting them

[violet shard]

Do y'all have a poster or infographic on an F1 car?

I want to make something

Like parts of the car

preferable after 2022

[violet shard]

no-one?

[limpid token]

your Google Fu if as good as anyone elses, but the cars have barely changed from 2017 in terms of internals, only major change was split turbo for Renault and Honda PUs

[violet shard]

My google only has 09 cars, its quite frusterating

[naive dune]

ok so i had a question about some stuff i was thinking, lets say u dont have any anti lag on ur turbocharged car, and ur approaching a corner and braking and downshifting, and lets say you dont decide to downshift from 2nd to 1st and leave it at 2nd when it would be ideal to downshift to 1st because its a slow corner. When you exit of course you'll be slower than you would be but you would get over the lag faster in terms of the 2nd gear right? im just thinking, im kinda an idiot and just getting into cars, it was just i was looking over the 26 engine regulations and saw the return of turbo lag, it was just shower thoughts yk

its probably an idiot question

someone correct me plz

[edgy anchor]

Why would you get over anti-lag quicker in 2nd gear?

Just... Don't take this as being mocking I just wanna know the thought process

[sharp sundial]

I don’t know why FOM has promised the possibility of turbo lag, roadcars have employed strategies to dampen and outright bypass turbo lag for decades now. The regs would have to be incredibly restrictive in order for it to return

[edgy anchor]

Also like

Electric power is gonna compensate for that

[craggy moon]

you wont be slower on the exit, you would be the same speed, you would just accelerate slower as a result of the taller gear. the antilag only gives you the power sooner, so you would be able to get the power faster than the non antilag turbo car

[naive dune]

i understand that

its just

idk tbh

i was

tripping sorry guys

[craggy moon]

and you would be higher revs in first gear, so you would get over the lag quicker then, but have the same initial exit speed

[karmic steeple]

Why does my game keep crashing when I try to start time trial?

[left geode]

Wrong channel

[crimson granite]

#f1-games

[karmic steeple]

Sorry

[viral ingot]

2026 regulations

[west cipher]

does anyone know if they are gonna do some sort of livestream on youtube or smth to tell people about the regs?

or are they just like putting out a instagram post showing a car?

[lavish cobalt]

the front wing 💀

[left geode]

Looks kinda like 2007

[verbal lagoon]

I know very little about aerodynamics or automobile engineering. But I like the way the 2026 model car looks better than the current crop.

They say the cars will be more "agile." Is that likely?

[edgy anchor]

I honestly doubt it
The wheelbase is coming down 200mm but the width is coming down by 100mm which keeps that aspect ratio from 1.8 to 1.79

[left geode]

Well,they'll get lighter so that may help them with low corner/turn speeds plus the high downforce mode

[drowsy rampart]

are there any preliminary estimates on exactly how much slower these cars will be compared to the current ones? as in how many seconds a lap on average

[left geode]

Not yet

[drowsy rampart]

hmmm

so theyre saying

30% reduction in downforce while cornering

but 55% reduction in drag

theoretically isnt that bad for racing

dirty air to slipstream ratio is lower

if that makes sense

ik theyll have all the push to pass things going on

n allat

but doesnt sound good on paper to me

[modest solstice]

I dont think Racing will be worse with this new double drs + extra Power

We may be seeing F1 esports style races i guess

[left geode]

Keep in mind that the engine power will be reduced at the ICE/PU department

[modest solstice]

Yea but that doesent impact racing does it

[left geode]

It does if you consider if the size of the battery will maintain the same (or not) with the higher eletrical output, and the fact the ERS deployment will be kinda similar to WEC where it'll stop at certain speed and if the changes in the car size and aerodynamics does actually make it reach a higher speed with the low downforce setting

FIA already did a great job at fixing one of flaws which was the aerodynamical instability since they firstly planned for the rear wing to be the only movable part instead of what we got which is both front and rear wings working in union

Also, another worry would be if front wing damages actually become terminal damages now that they'll carry eletronics to move the elements like currently with DRS in the Rear Wing

[glossy ruin]

has anyone actually shown how the front wing is supposed to work

[glossy ruin]

they already carry stuff like that

https://imgur.com/gallery/f1-nose-electronics-connection-8arQZvV

[west nimbus]

In what way?

[glossy ruin]

like

what part flips up

the active aero part

[limpid token]

instead of a drill during a pitstop , they will have an actuator there

[opaque arch]

I would say back to 2010 - 2013 level

at least 4 seconds compare to 2024

Tbh i quite pessimistic especailly about the new PU

50 / 50 power spilt but battery size remains the same

MGUH is also removed meaning thermal efficiency would drastically decrease

a stronger engine which can regen more battery power would be a huge advantage

i feel like they gonna fuck it up soon

we have less than 24 months until the new cars

[glossy ruin]

sick ty

[drowsy rampart]

tbh

thats not that bad

these cars are already on 2021 level

so we might as well compare them to 2021 as well

we were getting 2-3 secs a lap slower than 2021 in 2022

sometimes even more

if thats true its not as bad as i was imagining tbh

[limpid token]

the thing is that unlike in 22, the engine is also getting nerfed (mainly the overall energy)

on top of that, 2021 was 3.5th year of regulations, while 2022 was first

we'll see how it goes , especially what are the limits of the active aero and how much teams can play with it

[drowsy rampart]

i heard its similar power overall?

around 1000 hp?

or is that the total including the push to pass thing

i hope they will be allowed to use it during quali

for maximum performance

😍

[limpid token]

yes and no

the peak power is the same, however the power per race is way lower

sure, there will be more recovery but it doesn't cover the loss of fuel

[limpid token]

push to pass 'just' removes the electric power limit above 290kmh

[drowsy rampart]

290??

wtf

nah thats not on

[modest solstice]

yea but that shouldn't impact racing, there are less powerful cars that make an incredible racing, + there will be the override mode to make racing even better

[short ether]

alonso fp1 vs fp2

[jolly prawn]

ok gurl

[bitter trellis]

Can you find this for Russel vs. Verstappen in quali?

[tender arch]

Where'd you find this?

[opaque arch]

its still artificial racing

[vital lion]

u can find telemetry on
https://www.f1-tempo.com/

[violet shard]

has anyone read adrian newies book?

is it techinical stuff or stuff about his personal life?

[bleak sleet]

I think both

[violet shard]

ah ok

whats the difference between his books?

theres 2 books, both from 2017

[bleak sleet]

Not sure they prob being a bit similar

[tender arch]

Thanks

[elfin harness]

How to build a car ?

[violet shard]

yeah, theres 2 with the same title though

like whats the difference?

[sharp juniper]

What if we made a Car out of Vibranium

It's durable, it's heat resistant, it's light, it absorbs kinetic energy

[violet shard]

how hard is it to find and how expensive it is

[sharp juniper]

Uhhh

[sharp juniper]

It's the rarest metal on earth

Found only in a small country in Africa

A few tons is worth Billions

[violet shard]

💀

[violet shard]

well I think its over the cost cap

[sharp juniper]

Raise the cost cap

Also this metal is undetectable by metal detectors

[violet shard]

damn

[violet shard]

ok but someone please answer ^^^^

[sharp juniper]

I think the one with Yellow text is a fake one

The places I can find selling the Yellow Text version are from not trustworthy sources selling a very low price

So if your trying to buy one get the one with red text (I have this one and it's legit)

[vital lion]

yeah read half of it

its combination of both

and has a really deep dive into the sennas death

its fun

[sharp juniper]

Why did Daniel Ricciardo went from Toro Rosso to HRT then went back to Toro Rosso?

[sturdy lantern]

does anyone know where can i find 2026 regulations

[umbral fossil]

https://www.fia.com/

[sturdy lantern]

thank you

[umbral fossil]

No problem

[violet shard]

Ahh ok col thanks

[violet shard]

Awesome thanks

[hollow kettle]

Hey guys I’m in Canada and in looking to become a formula 1 mechanic in the future. I found this chart but it is based in england. If someone could tell me the equivalents of these and point me in the right direction. Pls ping me

[zinc bison]

were the 80's turbo cars single or twin turbo?

[violet shard]

someone translate this to Australia as well

[craggy moon]

big ass single

[drowsy rampart]

its a small thing but i just dont understand how something as seemingly small as a tear off can warrant a pit stop to remove it

i guess its significantly big enough to block a significant enough portion of air to overheat the car?

but it just seems so small to me

ik f1 is the sport of small margins and the tiniest hit can send an endplate flying

but idk

maybe tear offs are bigger than i think

or cooling systems are just that sensitive

[true pendant]

what does higher tyre pressures do to a car?

[bitter trellis]

I believe it reduces grip while increasing tire life but I'm not sure so someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong

[bitter trellis]

Frequently the issue is when a tear off gets caught in a brake duct because those are smaller and brakes get VERY hot. Also this stuff is so complex and having plastic chucked into it just logically messes it up

[drowsy rampart]

hmmm

[edgy anchor]

Beyond a certain point, you start to reduce contact patch as the pressure will make the tyre more round, and more pressure will always make things more prone to heat too as the air has less space to move and deform

[drowsy rampart]

so what is higher pressure useful for

besides more straight line speed

[formal estuary]

The difference between front and rear can be used for handling purposes

[bitter trellis]

Higher pressure, to an extent, helps to keep the tires at optimal temps

[bitter trellis]

(I believe)

[ornate lake]

Temperature and pressure have a direct correlation. This is why If you were to boil a kettle on top of Everest that’s why it wouldn’t be as warm as water at normal altitudes.

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[bitter trellis]

Thats not necessarily temperature and pressures correlation. Low pressure doesn't make things cold (as it seems your implying), it just means less energy (in the form of heat) is needed to phase change into a less dense object

Although again correct me if I'm wrong I'm not a scientist

[modest glade]

I think in constant volume, pressure and temperature are directly proportional. So if pressure decreases then the temperature would go down

[bleak moss]

As far as I know the tyres are under inflated for two reasons

1. As the tyres are heated, so is the air inside, so the pressure will increase, so if you had a normally pressurized tyre and the pressure increased under the amount of heat, i think it would puncture or something similar
   And secondly if the tyre is under inflated you get more grip because there is more surface area

[opaque arch]

cooking

[reef plank]

does f1 use d=s/t for working out the gaps between the drivers and compares the distance, and uses that distance to find the time

[violet shard]

Well there's a curve, so that formula goes out the window

[sharp sundial]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the formula they use. It’d explain why the delta between two cars becomes smaller into a braking zone for example, and there are way too many variables that you could take into account that I doubt it’d be something too complex

[limpid token]

delta before breaking zones becoming smaller is most likely due to the tow the 2nd car is getting

[polar fern]

I’d assume it just compared the times that the transponder crosses the line

[short ether]

what if they made an areogel (lightest material in the world) f1 car

[violet shard]

probs too expensive and not durable enough

[craggy moon]

its more of a sealant than anything, its also not durable enough for any type of application in f1

other than maybe use as heat shield for the driver from the engine

[west nimbus]

Not strong enough for the type of forces involved. That's where composites come in. Strong and light.

[short ether]

and it’d fly off

[west nimbus]

Also very controllable. You can control the directional strength of an individual part to suit your needs quite easily just by laying up material in a different orientation

[short ether]

flying car

[near obsidian]

What are those covers on top of the wheels for?

[merry delta]

these?

[near obsidian]

Ye

[merry delta]

it's to clean up the air coming off the top of the wheel a bit

more than likely, they work in tandem with the wheel covers on the sides of the wheels for cleaning up airflow

both were introduced in 2022 for the purpose of cleaning up dirty air

[near obsidian]

Ty ty

[merry delta]

you're welcome

[inland cobalt]

i know this is probably a dumb question but why didnt the mercedes no sidepod design not work, with my understanding it would seem better because its less drag

[merry delta]

depends on who you ask lol

some people say it didn't work because of the floor (either by the floor concept itself or the fact that the floor edges flexed)

others say it didn't create enough outwash to prevent tire squirt

[tall wyvern]

The sidepods are in incidental. Tyre squirt is lower tyre wake, and big sidepods clock the lower tyre wake inwards ie make it worse.

[limpid token]

take it with a pinch of salt, but outwash (especially after bargebords got removed) is really important and Merc just didn't have it and couldn't create reliable floor seal that didnt bounce

https://youtu.be/L80LTEWnahA

[tall wyvern]

Water has a totally different density and viscosity to air. A corner will obviously show an exaggerated outwash or in wash depending on the corner and side of the car. It’s crazy how much the sidepods are overblown.

[true pendant]

what are the advantages?

[shy musk]

.

[short ether]

Hello

Is this the right place to ask career related queries in F1 ?

I am currently joining a premier college of engineering in CS and IT bachelors. I had the option to go in Mechanical but did not since the commitment was too large of decades coming from India its hard for me.

Are there CS related jobs in F1 like directly after masters or we need to have some kind of a indirect working in auto or tech company with some additional specialisation ? Should I minor in Mechanical to get some edge during bachelors for it ?

[slender wagon]

Student Placemets are a good bet

Easiest way to get into full time f1.

they come out around September. Run from July to July.

[slender wagon]

Most jobs are for Mechanical engineers (aero, vehicle design, dynamics, controls, etc). Some electrical engg (embedded, pcb, looms) too. Outside of that it's based on your capability to fulfill the role and how you present yourself during the interview I would say.

[violet shard]

where do you apply for these and do you need a masters or just a regular bachelors?

[slender wagon]

You need to be doing one of them to be eligible. https://motorsportjobs.com

Set up a job alert and apply when they are released

[violet shard]

Alright thanks

[west nimbus]

@violet shard another great way to get into it is with apprenticeships, if you see any of them going about

Basically you get a paid job, qualification & experience with an almost guaranteed job afterwards

[violet shard]

Yeah thats true, im looking more for engineering jobs tho

[west nimbus]

What sort?

[violet shard]

Probably aerodynamic

[west nimbus]

There could be an apprenticeship for that kind of work still

[violet shard]

Nah there isn't I checked

[west nimbus]

There's a placement for rb

[tall wyvern]

If you want to do aerodynamics you pretty much have to do aerospace

[violet shard]

ye

[tall wyvern]

I agree that student placements are very good but you have to get them in the first place. Doing your own projects with openfoam or something like that (can use star ccm or fluent if your uni has licenses). Catia or nx is good experience too.

[slender wagon]

Formula student experience works great.

[opaque arch]

lemme cook

[edgy anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-chef-ramsay-ramsay-gif-20127798

[violet shard]

bro could work for alpine'

faster than them at least

[obsidian lotus]

Nah I’m cooking even harder fr

[civic fern]

You can get in as an intern

I met a guy from Georgia Tech’s FSAE team (Aero lead for the EV team) last summer that ended up at Merc F1

[short ether]

thanks for the help

[civic fern]

Thats the case in all “passion driven” industries

Wanna work on video games? Enjoy getting half the salary of a normal CS major

Hows that possible? Blame the other idiot willing to take your job when you dip

Even pre-cost cap this was a thing

[short ether]

100%

Not all internships/entry level positions are student placements. Look also at helping out teams trackside, starting with local teams and then moving up to regional, national, then international

That’s what my career path has mostly been. I do data engineering though, not aerodynamics. I’m also a student myself so can offer that perspective

Be prepared for your field of interest to change: I started out, I thought I wanted to do aerodynamics, but I now do work that’s mainly in data engineering, software, and also marketing/PR/comms on the side

[short ether]

Also also also! Motorsport is an accessible and attainable career path if you are a woman! Not enough people say this and there is not enough representation of women in paddocks, particularly in STEM roles

(As it has recently been international women in engineering day)

[violet shard]

ooh thats a great idea, I'll try that

[crimson granite]

#f1-games next time please

[opaque arch]

almost done

[sweet tree]

what is ted cooking

[left geode]

Blud's cooking to become the new Adrian Newey

[violet shard]

bros gonna be the next Ndrian Aewey

[dull agate]

bros getting hired by Audi 2026

[obsidian lotus]

What’s the airflow looking like

[opaque arch]

Haven't done CFD yet

Will do it soon

[edgy anchor]

https://youtu.be/vA-Z3ncTdUY?si=5jBgXKweYZo3AaD8

[edgy anchor]

TL:DR Exhaust Header Steps

[zinc bison]

Whats the easiest way to tell the difference between 2020 and 2021 cars? livery duh but what about the RB or McLaren

floor cutout I guess?

[limpid token]

There are also plenty of sponsors that changed, like Aston leaving Redbull or the Engine badge for McLaren

[blazing saffron]

or lack thereof since they didn't have Merc branding anywhere on their car

generally the floor is slightly cut down on the 2021 cars compared to 2020, as that was one of the changes brought by the 2021 regs

here's such a comparison of the 2020 and 2021 McLaren

[zinc bison]

The Coke bottle body they managed to achieve on these cars was insane

[blazing saffron]

it really was

I had no idea the MCL35M's sidepods were this much slimmer than the 2020 car's, I thought the 2021 cars barely changed besides the floor changes

[zinc bison]

So did I

[violet smelt]

Iirc they upgraded the side pods mid season of 2020

[coral glade]

fun fact: the w12s used in 2021 are just w11s with swapped floors
merc made 6 w11 chassis in 2020

https://x.com/NorthHertsSam/status/1626197855793717248?t=m7Yn7ZI3W18M86sh2OF9LA&s=19

Cllr Sam S Collins (@NorthHertsSam) on X

As an aside for those who may suggest that the black nose comes from the W12, well there isn’t really a W12. The team built six W11 chassis, all which raced in 2020 then four continued to race in 2021 rebranded as W12’s but had no structural changes at all.

Twitter · Feb 16, 2023, 12:32 PM

https://x.com/NorthHertsSam/status/1626197859589562372?t=m7Yn7ZI3W18M86sh2OF9LA&s=19

Cllr Sam S Collins (@NorthHertsSam) on X

W11 Chassis 1 & 3 started off life painted silver and were later repainted, the other four were only ever seen in a black livery. Chassis 2 is interesting because it was only ever used once, with pole and that spectacular race win at the British GP.

Twitter · Feb 16, 2023, 12:32 PM

[blazing saffron]

could be

[blazing saffron]

sounds about right

pretty sure they don't have any W11 cars anymore because of that

[coral glade]

they have one, maaaybe 2

[blazing saffron]

yeah figured they kept one or two

[coral glade]

that one being the British gp one I'm assuming

or maybe that was used in 2021

idk

I'd love to know

[blazing saffron]

not sure if they have any left that could still run on track though, though I'd imagine they probably still do

[coral glade]

mhm

[lost jungle]

quick question, how can a more locked differential help the rotation of the car around a corner on a track that has a an increased amount of grip

[left geode]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C867RcDNcOk/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

fdataanalysis

⚠️Verstappen complained about ‘clipping’, and he was right: he had a consistent top-speed deficit to Norris (the opposite than in qualifying), which grew larger in the 2nd stint

🪫His ERS deployment reduced towards the end of the straight, limiting his top speed

📈Norris’ pace improved significantly throughout the race, allowing him to attack th...

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[opaque arch]

that really depends on the situation, generally a locked diff can aid traction but it would be more understeery whereas an open diff can be oversteery but slightly tricky with traction

@lost jungle

If you want rotation, a more oversteery setup would be more ideal in low speed corners, but sometimes a understeery setup could aid traction in high speed corners like copse, generally speaking - really depends on real life situation

[lost jungle]

So as there is more grip available in high speed corners, it helps to have the tyre on the inside to be provided with more torque as there is more grip however in the case for lower speed corners on track surface which for example has less grip, it would help to have more of an open diff as that will aid in rotation?

[short ether]

What are these lights that go on a patten after a crash?

[edgy anchor]

Anti-Stall I presume, or just lights that come on as a safety redundancy in an impact so that safety workers know when the car is off in case they didn't hit the killswitch properly

[sudden spear]

I'm several weeks behind and trying to catch up. In Canada, Ruth Buscombe kept calling the front wing of the Mercedes a "Hemsworth Wing". What did she mean by that, that it was just really pretty?

[junior pasture]

I love how it's visible when pit-stop happened and what effect it has.

[undone iron]

I got a question, what are these graphics called? Is it like pirelli qualifying fastest lap? I just don't know where to go to find them

[pale trout]

this is giving me anxiety lmao

[edgy anchor]

and they don't even achieve their purpose

Unlike this bad boy

[tight bay]

Pole lap

I assume you know it always pops up in the YouTube pole lap

[twin heart]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C9HjYQTNysi/?igsh=MW40NHVrd2ozZTlk

formula_aerodynamics

There are growing suspicions that there is more to Mercedes’ return to form than just a new front wing. It’s about the so-called the “third element” of the suspension (highlighted in green), which is mainly responsible for stabilizing the aerodynamic platform under load (downforce) and, among other things, prevents (!) the car from waving.
Alrea...

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How does this sound? Trustworthy?

[violet shard]

its instagram

[lost jungle]

Were there any changes made to the club corner at Silverstone? Like the last chicane

[short ether]

Anyone know what the ERS deployment modes are called

[abstract pawn]

Different for every team

[wooden abyss]

I think the sausage curb got lowered in the corner before

I don't remember the name

And the track limits changed

[lost jungle]

So it's relatively the same line through the last chicane as it was in say 2018?

[wooden abyss]

Yes

Since the last changes in 2010 I believe

The corner has been the same

Except curb and runoff changes

[short ether]

Just give me mercs

[abstract pawn]

Mercedes call their STRAT-modes

From 1 to 12

[grave fiber]

Is this the right place to ask why Sauber are doing so poorly

Genuinely, they have decent facilities but they produced such a poor car

[zinc bison]

Does a car that's 2 laps down get blue flags for a car thats one lap down?

[abstract pawn]

If that car is lapping them yes

[lost jungle]

How much lap time could one gain by riding that lowered curb btw?

[sweet tree]

I feel like you would lose time but if it were faster it would probably be worth a few thousandths

[lost jungle]

could it be upto a few hundredths?

because club corner is a bit less of a chicane with that curb lowered as we saw with say george's lap where he took a decent amount of curb

[sweet tree]

perhaps

[amber kraken]

The different Oversteer and Understeer driving styles used by some F1 drivers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5-Cl1TCkyw&ab_channel=WolfeF1Explained

[short ether]

RPM light patterns that different drivers use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VtF9hN7Fb0

[edgy anchor]

The first, it's the smoothest

[short ether]

Random fact: McLaren makes the displays for all Formula 1 Teams, These displays have the same size as a PSP screen, and they can be brought used on Ebay for £2.5k
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293276543041

[sullen hull]

this is probably a stupid question but why cant drivers use drs all the time

is it a technical thing or just a rule?

[tall wyvern]

Low balance and high total downforce needed round corners, drs adds balance and lowers total downforce.

[edgy anchor]

DRS is increase via reducing drag off the rear, which also means reducing downforce. It was first enabled everywhere in 2011 but that quickly was rest5ricted to straightlines coz having your rear end have not alot of downforce relative to everything else at high speed is a bad idea

[sullen hull]

ah ok that makes sense

[hollow kettle]

hi guys. what are some high paying jobs in f1

[sleek spear]

driver

[opaque arch]

what's high paying for u e.g.500k US?

[short ether]

What does a yellow and a red flag mean

Not the striped one

[short ether]

Also why does the rain lights turn on a second after a red flag has been issued

[abstract pawn]

Probably that the session has been red flagged but there is an area of the track coming up where drives have to also abide by the requirements under yellow flag - slowing down and being prepared to stop

[abstract pawn]

To show to the cars behind that your car might rapidly decelerate

[short ether]

can anyone tell what this says

Nvm

"STOP THE CAR"
ENGINE OFF

but why does ferrari have that

[abstract pawn]

To alert the driver to stop the car because the engine is off

[median shoal]

Likely if there is a fault with the radio and the car at the same time and car needs to be stopped and switched off to prevent further damage or a fire

[hollow kettle]

Thats rich. Like around 100kcad and higher

[short ether]

Whats "White H 11 Position 12" Heard that on the Radio when norris won.

[abstract pawn]

Only McLaren would know

[lost jungle]

Annually?

[opaque arch]

Most of the job would hit 100k US e.g. aerodynamicist

Annually

[finite condor]

McLaren has special codes

Probably the engine power settings or aerodynamics

[viral harness]

A less aggressive engine mode so on the in lap the engine doesn’t get worn down more that it has to.

Engines are like tyres, the more you work them and the harder you work them the more they degrade and engines are expensive

[bitter trellis]

Cost, especially for the big teams, isn't the issue. It's the limit on engines a driver can use every season

[viral harness]

Ya that too

[short ether]

Anyone know why aero rakes are used during Pre Season testing.

[violet shard]

sheesh thats good money

[opaque arch]

but good f1 teams care about ur grade in uni

so u have to do well always

[abstract pawn]

Have you ever considered using Google before going on here?

Most questions you are asking can be answered with an easy Google search

[violet shard]

how do you know this?

[violet shard]

to measure airflow over the car

according to the AM website

[violet shard]

yeah and you have to be based in the UK

which is a whole nother pain

[opaque arch]

good point

[hollow kettle]

Racing team mechanics? Also are there mechanics that don’t travel with the team (not engineers)

[hollow kettle]

Ive heard for mechanics u dont need uni. Experience is better. If u need uni what do you take

[static breach]

My guess is some form(s) of engineering

[opaque arch]

Nah those guys who build cars went to uni and study actual mechanical engineering

[lost jungle]

which degree makes you qualified to be an aerodynamicist?

btw

i see,

[paper wing]

Congrats @short ether, you're now on lap 5

[lost jungle]

hopefully I suppose, i've been pursuing mechanical engineering and didn't know if one could work with the mechanics of air flow aswell

"pursuing" as in i'm going to try to get a degree in mechanical engineering after i've completed the 12th grade

and I hope you find success aswell

I see, well I might try to do that after i'm done with the 12th grade

thx for the info

[hollow kettle]

What do you want to be?

[hollow kettle]

By those guys you mean do you mean mechanics

[lost jungle]

An engineer I suppose, dealing with the mechanics of things like cars

[hollow kettle]

Hold up I’ll dm you a video, it shows everything

Everything in terms of jobs

[lost jungle]

But right now I'm focusing on getting through high school with at least acceptable grades which is a challenge with my intelligence

[hollow kettle]

But do you have a plan for after high school? Its all different depending on which job

[lost jungle]

Sort of, but it's not comprehensive as I'm focusing on my current studies

But i do know that engineering is the way

[tall wyvern]

Engineer ≠ mechanic, you don’t need to do a degree to be a mechanic.

Most mechanics start in lower series and just work their way up

[lost jungle]

I meant as in the mechanics of all different components in stuff like cars which are made better by using mathematical and physical concepts, isn't that how it is?

[tall wyvern]

Do you mean like a vehicle dynamics engineer? Or an aerodynamics engineer?

[lost jungle]

I haven't really decided yet

I was thinking of just taking mechanical engineering but the study of aerodynamics is also great

Shoot sry I thought you were asking something else, I guess I meant mechanical engineer

@tall wyvern

[viral harness]

Knowledge of f1 cars

[hollow kettle]

How do you become a mechanic in f1

[wooden arrow]

Is this an issue for all cars?

[abstract pawn]

Yes but it is also not an issue

it is just parts oscillating under load

[wooden arrow]

maybe i'm underestimating the long term durability of F1 grade carbon fiber

[edgy anchor]

Carbon fibre snaps before it plasticly deforms as far as I'm aware, that'll be just fine

Those wings are designed to support at least what? 800kg or so of consistent load?

[sweet tree]

jiggly, I've also wondered this

Weird how strong it is yet it looks so flimsy

[bitter trellis]

I mean being "flimsy" like that is in a way strength because if you try and make it completely rigid it's gonna snap easily

[lost jungle]

I mean we see the front wing bending under a lot of load so it's probably normal,

[bitter trellis]

It's intentional to an extent. Having flexible front wings means in straights the wing lowers and drag lowers

[west nimbus]

Under normal circumstances, pretty much yes

Only way to plastically deform it really is by using a lot of heat.

You can do so by heating it up to a very high temperature, high enough to soften the resin but not enough to burn it off, then bend it into place and rapidly cool it down with brake cleaner or something...but that's not recommended

[edgy anchor]

The perfect F1 method

[west nimbus]

Yeah it's not the most ideal thing, but works surprisingly well

[civic palm]

That’s terrible! We need more Aero stuff again!! 2026 looks like a F2 car…

[lost jungle]

and the engines are also quite concerning

[polar fern]

It will allow for closer racing

[violet shard]

whats wrong with it looking like an f2 car

[civic palm]

Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport the most challenging sport for engineers and drivers! Additionally, new technologies are meant to be developed under extreme conditions, which can later be introduced into regular public transportation. For example, ERS was developed in Formula 1 and is now found in many modern road vehicles. Hybrid engines with their heat conversion systems also fall into this category, along with many other innovations.

However, if the cars are simplified and progress is restricted, how are we supposed to continue evolving? The cars are becoming increasingly uncomplicated. Ironically, it might soon be possible to become an F1 engineer without having studied it at all. Why would the world’s best engineers want to work there in the future? It lacks challenge because it is merely at a “kindergarten” level.

In recent years, technical innovations that could have made driving more complex have repeatedly been banned. For example, DAS… etc.

Ridiculous regression…

[violet shard]

what are you yappin about

f1 cars are not simple bro

you try design a normal SUV, lets see how far you go before you fail

its so much harder than you think

[civic palm]

You don't understand. It's getting easier, it's still hard but it's getting easier and easier.

[abstract pawn]

Developing and manufacturing a Formula 1 car is still and will remain one of the most difficult motorsport challenges in the world, even if you remove the so-called "aero stuff" you are talking about

Making trickier and more intricate designs and systems a part of these cars drive the costs of making and running said cars so much more expensive to the point where some teams would just be unable to compete

F1 has for a long time struggled with things being way too expensive and everything becoming so much about just who has the most money to throw at things, not necessarily who has the best knowledge etc.

[limpid token]

In all rulesets in F1 you work from a baseline and develop any little thing that improves your performance, if you change those areas, it doesn't make it stale or bad, you just change the focus

since the 2022 regs, you have frozen engines and majority of the upgrades were aero based, but you also got the important engine/hybrid deployment scenarios and platform control (suspension)

if you compare it to 2010/2011 and double diffuser/blown diffuser , KERS development from scratch it sounds like a downgrade, but the development field just changed

DAS was a gimmick, I am not sure why people get boner over it every time they mention stricter regulation

are we gonna get slower cars? yes
did we get that before already? also yes

[abstract pawn]

One of the bigger mistakes F1 have ever made in terms of its regulations was back in 2017 when they introduced the new regulations solely focusing on making the cars faster without thinking about how it impacted the racing

And they suffered from that mistake basically until 2022

[lost jungle]

Isn't there a balance to be achieved? I mean having closer racing and having cars which will allow the drivers to be able to have on track battles for longer but also having the cars which still are going to be one of the fastest grand Prix cars as well, you can't just sacrifice the speed completely but you also can't just make the cars unable to race each other easily. Hopefully the new regs will be able to achieve that and the F1 engineers will probably be able to develop the cars amazingly even with stuff like the energy limit on the fuel which the engines are going to have which hopefully won't hamper the power too much but I guess we'll see

[opaque arch]

As a CFD and engineering nut, I totally disagree. The vorticity that 2024 cars generate is comparable to the 2021 cars

[limpid token]

it used to be as bad as HAM not being able to lap cars in Mexico due to dirty air

[opaque arch]

Nah, I have done simulations and its actually about the same

[limpid token]

I wonder if it's a difference of how much sensitive the cars are to the dirty air rather than the magnitude of it that's better, but I am just guessing

[abstract pawn]

Fair enough but the general consensus among people is that the 2017 regulations were a mistake and F1 suffered from it for a long time because of the dirty air

[opaque arch]

cuz 2024 cars are already well developed so a lot of turbulence are created by floor elements and other minor details

[abstract pawn]

And there is just no way the dirty air and following is as bad now compared to 2024

[opaque arch]

evidence would be the w14 or rb20 - using the sidepod shoulder to bring the hot and viscous turbulent air to create a greater pressure difference on the beam wing

as cars slowly get developed, its unrealistic to avoid dirty air

[tall wyvern]

Hot yes, viscous, everything is viscous, but low total pressure so bad, cooling air is not good air

[opaque arch]

@tall wyvern how do u have so much time while working

[lost jungle]

So those shoulders are there to direct the turbulent air towards the desired direction?

They have vortices produced to direct the turbulent airflow as well right?

[opaque arch]

basically yes - can't predict without proper simulation or test tho. Conditions could vary depending on the flow rate of the exhaust on the shoulder and temp, a lot of assumptions have to be made

[lost jungle]

I see, and is that turbulent air directed towards the beam wing to create a greater pressure difference or are they directed away?

[violet shard]

Not to mention all the "aero stuff" will come back after a while wont it?

[limpid token]

it will always be there, just at the start it might not be the biggest area where the car improves, but we will still see those upgrades at the start

7/10 cars changed sidepods within the first half of 2022 season

as a recent example

[violet shard]

Cool

[opaque arch]

direct towards to the beam wing for sure

[lost jungle]

I see, so turbulent air can also be used to create a pressure difference right?

That's interesting

[inland cobalt]

when adrian newey goes to another team is he able to replicate his designs from red bull over to that team since technically its stealing red bull's design but he designed it?

[violet shard]

It'll probably be 2026 when Newey goes to another team right?

Anyway I don't think it would be stealing RB's designs

[inland cobalt]

no he had some thing about gardening in his red bull contract which is going on at the moment

i think its like an extra break thats gonna go until the end of the season

then hes gonna go to another team

[short ether]

Any other teams antistall warning messages.

Ik Mclarens

"Anti stall hold clutch"

[desert osprey]

So is Audi buying another already existing team or making a completely new team?

Same with Cadillac

I heard Cadillac is making a f1 team somewhere

[violet shard]

buying existed team

they're buying Sauber

[desert osprey]

Mmmmm ok

Kick doesn't deserve a team ngl

[violet shard]

If F1 decides not to be an idiot, they hopefully will

[desert osprey]

Lmao yuh

[sick lintel]

Is binotto to audi a good choice?

[quasi geode]

From what I understand, the gardening leave contract stipulates that he can join another team as long as he hasn't worked on anything related to RB20 for a given amount of time. I don't think he has contributed anything to the cars development for months, otherwise he would have to sit and do nothing after this year is up. I believe he has been working on Red Bulls hypercar project in the meantime

[final dust]

iirc, they said that they are already done developing this years car and they are focusing fully on next year. this was before red bull announced that newey is leaving

How would this work then?

[strong hearth]

Hey guys! Does anyone here work or understands the FastF1 Python library? I am trying to do some stuff with it and I am having a little problem on a lap time. If anyone can help I would appreciate it!

[glass oasis]

Hi, I visited the Marina Bay street circuit recently and I took lots of photos, you can check them out here: #f1-hq-photos-and-videos message

[fierce wolf]

Can anyone recommend me good article/youtube videos regarding how front wing and rear wing affect f1 car performances?

[short ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxpP6CCENpI

basically these designed to increase downforce & increase performance

[fierce wolf]

Thank you. That was a great explanation.

[long crystal]

Mercedes wind deflector is new

[hollow kettle]

would having a degree in mechanical engineering/motorsport enginnering and then doing formula student be helpful for becoming a mechanic. also are vocational schools better than a degree?