f1-technical

[limpid token]

as there were a lot of them that were not properly penalised for

and from Chris Medland's tweet, there are penalties to come

[paper wing]

Congrats @limpid token, you're now on lap 5

[civic fern]

Why is it uneven tho?

[limpid token]

they have 2 separate radiators, they can have data from right side/left side and compare them

[proper mantle]

I was wondering why does the circuits not give the teams pressurized low temperature air to cool down the cars instead of teams using modified leaf blowers

[limpid token]

leaf blowers are so much cheaper than running that system

[proper mantle]

So loud and takes time to recharge

[limpid token]

it also takes the factor of the system not working out

since for that eventuality, you are gonna need leafblowers anyway

[tall wyvern]

Different cooling requirements per side, one side might need be producing more heat than the other so needs more outlet than the other.

[limpid token]

i dont think i've ever seen that during a race

just in practice

[iron shale]

Yesterday Carlos had them uneven

in the race

all open on the right and only 4 on the left

[civic fern]

That sounds like an actual bruh

[tulip drum]

Also leafblowers are much more flexible, because you can put them on the car wherever the car is

[iron shale]

Austria

[limpid token]

Thats very interesting, i have no clue why

[zenith pumice]

this happened at the 2008 British GP with McLaren too

Shawk told me about this: the MP4-23 had uneven sidepods for that race

[somber saddle]

Does that have any relation with the quantity of right handers? Maybe the turning angle favours the air collecting

Or am i talking shit

[merry delta]

probably so

[flat imp]

In theory yeah, there's going to be one side of a car that takes more of the turns and they might want to mitigate that

[somber saddle]

I see

That makes sense

[primal patrol]

Interesting

never noticed that

[flat imp]

You can see it more easily with which side makes tires go off first

[coral glade]

👀

[kind zenith]

I have a small question.
In 1994 where ayrton senna crashed,what did excactly happen wrong at the moment.

[sand bronze]

I have reason to believe it was the brakes that failed

I am no engineer tho so I'm sure someone can give a much better answer than I

[kind zenith]

Or the handle bar broke(idk if i spelled it right

[zenith pumice]

we have a few theories

one is that the steering column broke and the other is that a puncture happened causing the car to veer off-track

[kind zenith]

Ah okay

[zenith pumice]

it didn’t help that the Williams chassis that year wasn’t exactly the strongest or the most well-designed

[kind zenith]

Are there any videos about it (explaining the technical side)

I think he should've stayed at mc laren

[zenith pumice]

lap 6 (one lap before senna’s crash) I believe it was Schumacher or another driver who noticed that Senna’s car was unstable and took an unusual line through most corners

which may support the broken steering column theory

[zenith pumice]

none that I know of

[kind zenith]

thank you

But would a halo have saved him?

[zenith pumice]

no

we suspect it was the steering column (or a bit of suspension) that punctured his helmet and caused severe trauma to his brain

[kind zenith]

But could it happen nowdays?

Because the steering column could still break away or isnt that possible?

[zenith pumice]

no because F1 cars today have crumple zones which specifically prevent accidents like Senna’s

[kind zenith]

Ah

[zenith pumice]

I mean look at Zhou’s crash (fair disclaimer: do not post videos of it nor any other crash here) from Silverstone last year

or Grosjean’s from 2021

if drivers can survive being hurled nose-first into barriers and upside down like that, you can imagine how safe f1 is today

[kind zenith]

I will take a look at them,thank you very much

[kind zenith]

Yh,since senna i think no f1 drivers died since then

[flat imp]

Jules

[zenith pumice]

Jules Bianchi in 2015

as a result of his crash in 2014 at the Japanese GP

which prompted the halo development

[kind zenith]

Ah wait i will take a look at it to now

[kind zenith]

Oof,pretty bad crash

[amber kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbnSmt2uNFQ

Lets see if this continues during Qualifying and the race

[shell cipher]

i bet theyll get like p8 or maybe p7 in quali

[frozen cradle]

This is Williams we’re talking about. That would still be great for them

[prime mortar]

actually the halo would have saved senna

[coral glade]

What is wiliams cooking

[stark adder]

williams' is cooking the straightlines

as soon as it comes to corners its joever

[somber saddle]

Not so draggy huh FW45

[somber saddle]

Don't think so, the part which pierced through Senna's helmet was something not within the Halo's protection radius

It was a very specific case, he'd have suffered trauma but would still be fine if that single part didn't get through

So let's say, no, the halo wouldn't have saved him unfortunately

[median sluice]

Morning

I don't know if anyone here is into technical regulations

But I still wonder

How would you comprehend this

What is that "-50kW" pls

and how would you define "at partial load"

[somber saddle]

I guess -50kW is the amount of fuel transformed into kinectic energy

"Q" is probably something related to deltaQ, has something to do with thermical exchange

[foggy pollen]

Q means electrical charge

At least that’s what they said in school

[somber saddle]

I don't remember that properly

Oh yeah

Ok nvm i do

[worn drum]

any good resources for getting into f1 technical apart from this amazing channel and r/f1technical? watching the races doesn't really teach me anything technical.

[limpid token]

the forums

[coral glade]

Hot take: the McLaren could be the fastest car in quali trim, but DRS puts Verstappen above them

The upgrades have worked really well

The downwash concept seems to work pretty well

[kind zenith]

I found some interresting videos about the technical side of the accident
Idk if i can send links here but ill try https://youtu.be/ayjOW5DnwgM

Its 5 parts

[amber kraken]

Holy shit, McLaren! When did you get back some speed?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0aQoeN1Hec

[edgy anchor]

Oh boy the regurgence of Senna 'spiracy

[quick plover]

just learnt about Eddy Currents, just curious whether f1 could implement Eddy braking? If not, why?

[primal patrol]

the electromagnets required for them to be used are large, heavy and not suitable for the braking requirements for normal sized automobiles

in other words, they don't need to

[zenith pumice]

very power-intensive too, would drain the batteries too quickly to be worth it

[timid veldt]

50 kW (engine power) = torque * rpm, I guess partial load is when the engine is not delivering its max power. When described in words it seems confusing, but the engine has a characteristic curve, showing how much torque it can deliver at each rpm, basically how the engine behaves under different conditions. and the rules are limiting what the curve should look like

Here’s an example of an engines curve ,

Sorry I got carried away, the rules are limiting the fuel consumption, Q (kg/h) is the amount of fuel the engine consumes.

[amber kraken]

If this continues on this season...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ughnk4XVc

[iron shale]

Austria compared to Silverstone

[limpid token]

Thats not what it is, Eddy current is induced moving a material in a pernament (or el. magnetic) field and aplifying it
it would essentially work as normal brakes, just the braking would be done by self generated field

the issues are heat and the distance you need fo move them to make the forces 0

[zenith pumice]

but the amplification on the scale of stopping an f1 car going 300 km/h+ would be pretty massive right? I’m sure it requires a lot of power to do it still

I’m definitely speculating on this using old knowledge of magnetic braking, we had this discussion here before, and one of the issues was power consumption—but do let me know if that doesn’t apply here, haha

just another bit on f1 brakes—article linked below from Brembo (disc brake manufacturer for f1) states that drivers can use between 130 and 140kgs (280 and 310 lbs) of force on the brakes. am curious on how Eddy braking would achieve the same force and how power-efficient or space efficient (as you mentioned) it would be.

MP: Alonso stomps on the pedal harder and generates more pressure on the system, we are talking of a pedal pressure in the 130-140kg range (+/-285-310lbs).
http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2012/10/Brembo-Formula1-brakes.html

[limpid token]

to my knowledge, the magnetic fields generate and stop themselves, Veritasium has a video about it (they used electronagnet, but you can do it with pernament ones as well)

the power limit flwas probably for magnetic suspension that was developed and tested (but never used) like 20 years ago

for a road car

[charred shadow]

Ferrari's fucked

[severe hill]

would you be able to control brake pressure using eddy currents anyway? to my understanding, it’s like an on/off switch

[upper ivy]

if you use an electromagnet, you can of course control how strong the magnet is, which then influences the applied braking torque.
(there's no brake pressure in this case)

[amber kraken]

Hmm...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eusJFS_fnDY

[short ether]

Carlos sainz vs charles leclerc rascasse monaco
This is what separates the good racing drivers from the great ones look at how short Leclercs corner is versus sainz

[civic fern]

was he actually faster in that minisector?

because its possible that Sainz got a better line for the straight by going a little wider

like if you're finishing the lap you'd probably do Leclerc's line because the timer stops at the finish line, but if you're starting a lap you'd do Sainz so you get better speed for the whole straight

[cobalt pebble]

The next season of DTS should include some behind the scenes with the engineers. The upgrades are making such huge differences I think it would be interesting to see how they are designed and implemented. They must be under extreme pressure back there too, I bet there are some interesting stories.

[flat imp]

Bruh I WISH DTS was sit down interviews with engineers. Would be so much cooler. To me.

[edgy anchor]

The question was about the negative power useage, aka recharge

[severe hill]

What exactly makes the McLaren worse than the Mercedes in the slower corners? Is it aero or something else?

[pearl hornet]

@worldly viper

[ember patrol]

does this c5 compound graph in austria on degradation per lap make sense to you guys?

[latent shoal]

Idk but I recognize desmos any day of the week

[short ether]

Leclercs corners are always shorter

What separates leclerc and verstappen and hamilton is that their coeners are short

Any great driver knows they need to extend the straight to gain the most time and the way to do that is to shorten the corners

Furthermore leclercs rotation point is earlier than carlos

Leclerc brakes earlier aswell usually and is super laid back at the wheel

Or “supple” at the wheel for better word

There's a reason why Hamilton beat Alonso in 07

One of the biggest reasons was his shorter corners than Alonso and his smoothness versus Alonso

And the way he's able to prepare the car for high speed braking and I can't forget his way of settling the car in-between direction changes

Most drovers slam the brakes because its faster in terms of getting the pressure in but it doesn't shift the weight basically what ham ver and maybe lec is that they give it the smallest dab of the brakes in the early phase of braking to shift the weight on the front

Preparing the car for highspeed braking

But yea thats the difference between lec ver and ham

Probably got too technical and started yapping the second i past explaining short corners

[short ether]

In short tho sainz didnt get the better exit cuz his corner was longer therefore less straight

[short ether]

Slower corners rely more on mechanical grip so probably that

Faster u go the more areo the car relies on the slower u go the more mechanical grip

[fair heath]

were there any visible upgrades for alfa

[noble solstice]

I dont think so

At least no one reported

[upper ivy]

I don't think the pictures are the best way to show that though; since the perspective is slightly different.

so the difference between the lines looks greater than it is (though it is there of course)

[tall wyvern]

People always say this but it isn’t true, even at 60mph, which is slower than slow, the cars add about 250kg of downforce. And at those speeds, the rotation is more important than sweep, which is also driven by aero. That’s what this week’s Mercedes wing was for - slow corners.

[tepid plover]

next year is our year

[charred shadow]

When you say that to a ferrari fan

[tepid plover]

blud i am a ferrari fan 😭

[charred shadow]

Cap You just changed your roles

[tepid plover]

blud i own ferrari merch

and amr merch but still

[civic fern]

Whats rotation and sweep?

[short ether]

Its always been like that

Just that

Here its point blank

Watch the onboards

And count the lines in the road

Leclerc is shorter

And always has been

[short ether]

Cant tell me ur using the same areo grip at 150 at 60

Theres less air resistance at low speed hence why i said u rely more on mechanical grip the slower u fo

Go

[tall wyvern]

In a corner there are two components of movement:

• yaw rate (rotation)
• lateral movement through the corner.

If you only have the rotation, the car would just carry on in a straight line whilst rotating. If you only have lateral movement, the car would go round the corner but still be facing the direction it was when it entered the corner.

At low speeds, the rotation is more pronounced because the car has a greater yaw rate.

Some aerodynamic parts will be for that lower speed rotation, some parts will be more a high speed sweep through the corner. It’s worth remembering this, I was asked this question at an f1 interview.

[tall wyvern]

I didn’t say that. Mechanical grip isn’t a real thing. You can only lose mechanical grip, not gain it. Downforce helps everywhere.

[craggy hamlet]

!f1

[short ether]

Yea u cant only lose mechanical grip u can add it by adding weight technically

[short ether]

Anyone know why the Leyton House crashed at Goodwood? The rear tyres locked up so possibly brakes or wheel bearing. But they’re maintained pretty well so no clue.

[long drift]

I have a question, so F1 teams use F1 tunnels to test aerodynamics of the car etc etc and they have an allocated time they can't go over. So it possible to make an exact same replica of the car but a figurine/miniature version and test how the wind goes over it without taking wind tunnel time?

[coral glade]

A miniature version wouldn't be nearly as accurate

Also, as far as I know, teams already use 1:2 scale models in the wind tunnel

[limpid token]

exactly, they use scale model
fun fact, the pole position trophy tire is the one teams use in wind tunnels

[short ether]

I was just watching old highlight and saw this on the racing pointand wondered what it is

[craggy moon]

I thing it’s camera stuff but idk

[tall wyvern]

They’re 60% scale, and wind tunnel time is recorded as ‘wind on’ time, it doesn’t matter what’s in the tunnel, just that it’s on.

[upper ivy]

I think those were Infrared cameras

to monitor tyre temps

among other sensors

[short ether]

Ahh thank you

[short ether]

Speaking of, anyone got any pics of the huge sensors the Racing Point used to bolt onto the sidepods?

[upper ivy]

not sure what you mean 🤔

these kind of grid-like sensor arrays? https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/ooyala-videos/2019/2/9hd2xhaDE6bxNZOCU_VKCxvpD_rtHqhM.transform/6col/image.jpg

[loud gazelle]

Any CFD users here? I want to learn CFD where should I start?

[flat imp]

How good are you at pen and paper fluid dynamics?

[civic fern]

why does that matter?

[flat imp]

CFD got much easier for me after I got good at basic fluid mech

[tall wyvern]

It’s massively important, it’s just a tool. If you don’t know why you’re doing what you’re doing, it’s literally pointless

[flat imp]

Yeah I mean some shit is honestly easier to learn with a tool– I never understood how the fuck integrals worked until I got to fucking around with a graphing calculator, but CFD made no fucking sense to me until my normal fluid dynamics was intuitive to me.

[tall wyvern]

Well most CFD solvers use the integral forms of the governing equations anyway so it’s a double whammy

[flat imp]

Normal fluid dynamics sucks though because I suck major ass at arithmetic lmfao. CFD just cuts the crap. But I will say it's gonna be fucken impossible to get a handle on when it goes wrong if you don't know your fluid dynamics up down and backasswards

[tall wyvern]

Not only that, but it will give you terrible results and will basically be nonsense

[flat imp]

Naw it's not that bad if you're pretty much just following instructions from a research supervisor. But did I understand any of what I did until I got a handle on the underlying principles? Helllllll no

[tall wyvern]

You don’t always have instructions from a research supervisor, and that’s running before you can walk

[flat imp]

Aye. It's not so bad, that's most of what undergrad research ends up being, but it definitely isn't how you learn and it won't be applicable in other situations.

[civic fern]

Well, it depends if he's learning CFD because he wants to be a design engineer or if he wants to program a CFD solver

If you design a wing, you want downforce and drag, and perhaps pressure distribution and streamlines in post processing scenes. You may need to know which Continua models i.e. turbulence, wall conditions to apply for your physics conditions if you also want to set up your own sims

That's a long way from doing triple integrals on pen and paper

But if hes going the DIY solver method then yeah I suppose you would need to know the math to code the numerical methods

[tall wyvern]

yes, this is what i mean. this is knowing the underlying maths. there isn't a person on this planet doing the integrals by hand, but you must know what the solver is doing. there is a lot more than downforce and drag, as you say, but if you don't konw the maths, why should total pressure loss matter? what should a pressure distribution 'good'? why are certain features desirable?

lots of people just believe it is enough to put a model in and 'press go' - no

[civic fern]

When was the last time you needed to know Navier Stokes or Bernoulli’s equation to setup a sim?

[tall wyvern]

Well you’re proving my point - bernoullis equation isn’t a governing equation. If the user doesn’t know the physics, they can’t use the tool. Cfd isn’t a magic black box, you have to know what equations are being applied, why, what terms can be ignored, what error there is, what assumptions there are.

[upper ivy]

It's also useful to have some knowledge of fluid dynamics to design parts to be tested in CFD in first place

[flat imp]

Like sure you could reverse engineer from what doesn't work with CFD but life is much easier when you understand the principles and have a better starting base to work from

[zenith pumice]

I liken it to running a lab experiment. sure, you can set up the apparatus and perform the test, but if you don’t know what you’re looking for, you’ve just goofing around in a room

[latent shoal]

That's how every highschool lab experiment goes tbh

[silver ocean]

Science is taught pretty badly at that level. You're never really taught why or how you're looking for what you need to observe

It's just facts with no teaching of fundamental understanding, no how or why

[flat imp]

~Undergrad research~ when they just have you doing extremely specific tasks with no context as to what the fuck is going on

[silver ocean]

I'm at postgrad now, glad to have got through that. Especially undergrad exams, hated them

[flat imp]

I’m such a piss poor exam taker lmao. Just don’t work like that, can’t sit for more than an hour without losing all ability to think. Life gets better once you can actually do things that make sense

[silver ocean]

Me too, it's nice to speak to someone that feels the same. I ended up with first class honours at undergraduate but that result was hard carried by coursework 😅 I had to work extra hard to get high CW marks because I knew the exam marks would be lower

You get those smug people that come out of the exam saying it was easy, because they're wired to be exam people

[flat imp]

Oh lollllll I said fuck that noise and did okay enough at academics to get work experience lmao. It was definitely worth it and I learned a hell of a lot more from that than the exams

Mid-ass marks, hella work done though

[amber kraken]

Just had a look at Red Bull's new smaller cooling. Not sure if they'll restrict or smooth out the airflow going into the sidepod engine bays (?)

Plus minor tweaks to the sidepods

[charred shadow]

Courtesy of Sergio Perez

[fair heath]

alfa has a shark fin wtf

how have i not noticed that

[frozen cradle]

What’s going on with that rear wing??

[latent shoal]

Probably high downforce wing

[astral hamlet]

Evil Romeo

[charred shadow]

Evil Alfa Romeo be like

Beta Romeo

[coral glade]

Beta Juliet

[craggy moon]

gamma romeo

[prime mortar]

Has anyone hear of the new 2026 details? I heard the cars will be 30cm shorter and only run 6 gears rather than 8

[amber kraken]

Quite interesting that Daniel is seconds quicker than Yuki for the most part in the qaulifying session at Hungary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67VUp0DkuAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_MJor_lXI

Now I know Danny Ric is a more experienced driver compared to both Nyck and Yuki, which begs the question. Is Daniel's "old/new" driving style fits the AlphaTuari a bit better compared to Nyck's and Yuki's, despite it being the slowest car this season?

[shell cipher]

tost said that ric is better when making setups so maybe tsunoda just needs to find a different setup that he likes more then maybe theyll be equal

[craggy moon]

What’s the minimum radius for the front wing to the endplates?

[left geode]

From Motorsportcom:
"The front wing assembly, including the endplates, runs to the full width of the car – 1000mm each side of the centreline."

[craggy moon]

I worded that poorly, I meant the radius of the curve that would have been square in the pre 22 regs where the wing meets the end plate

[charred shadow]

Upgrades after the summer break

Please i want the vettel fans to shut up

[flat imp]

Tf does Vettel have to do with Aston upgrades bro is busy with his sidequests rn

[somber saddle]

Ok so are they banning MGU-H? If so, why? It's one way to recover dispersed heat energy

[charred shadow]

Vettel fans just want to dunk on AMR for no reason

Just because vettel retired there

[merry delta]

cost & complexity, if I am not mistaken

but yes, I do agree, it is kinda silly to be banning that since it offers a good solution for reusing otherwise waste energy

[somber saddle]

It's very dumb, if the teams can make cars with MGU-H without going over the cost cap there's no point banning it, not to mention what you've said already, banning it will cause wasted energy which could be important for competition in 2026, as the electric power units will receive triple the power

Why am i getting reactions 😭

[zenith pumice]

well, it’s not going to be super impactful I believe. one, we save extra on weight, and second of all, we’re getting more emphasis on electric technology so the amount of combustion that the ICE needs to do is lower, of which the ICEs already have pretty high thermal efficiency

in addition to that, the MGU-Hs are easily amongst the, if not the most expensive part of an F1 powertrain. it’s also the major reason why a lot of companies didn’t want to enter f1 as an engine manufacturer.

With F1 eager to attract new manufacturers from 2026, the presence of the MGU-H was viewed as a key part of the discussions.

For the Volkswagen Group, which is poised to enter F1 with either its Audi or Porsche brands, was reluctant to enter if the MGU-H remained.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-agrees-to-ditch-mgu-h-as-part-of-new-engine-rules/6885631/

the saved weight will be used to make the MGU-K more powerful, and actually we could’ve relied even more on electric energy by adding another energy recuperation site on the front axle, but teams refused that

[somber saddle]

MGU-H

[zenith pumice]

old joke from this server, ignore

[primal patrol]

I still have no idea how the mgu h works or utilizes the hot exhaust gases into useful energy

[sharp sundial]

The way it was explained to me was, there’s a window of rpm where a turbocharger can do useful work. But because it’s always stuffing in more air to the engine, it’s stuck in a positive feedback loop, thus overshooting that ideal rpm band. To alleviate this, most engines will use a wastegate to vent exhaust gases so that it can’t be used to turn the turbocharger. This is where the mgu-h comes in. Instead of a wastegate, it harvests the electrical energy from the shaft and keeps the speed in check that way.

I wonder what it does to the backpressure, would be interesting to see the difference

[zenith pumice]

Taffin continues: “In an F1 car, the MGU-H works like the MGU-K, meaning that it works both ways. It can recover energy from the turbo, store it, and then use it to spin the compressor. If you look at a turbocharger, you’ll find a turbine at one end, and a compressor at the other. The exhaust gases are used to spin the turbine, which spins the compressor. The MGU-H is located in between the two. So when the hot gases spin the turbine, it also produces electricity that is stored in the battery. And when the car accelerates, the electricity is used to spin the compressor, providing immediate power. There’s no turbo lag. Power application is immediate, like with any normally aspirated engine.”
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/technique-the-mgu-k-and-mgu-h-explained-791187/2986353/

here’s a screenshot from a Mercedes video about the MGU-H

[primal patrol]

thanks

[next gust]

woah new merc rear wing 🤯

[sweet tree]

as an indycar fan that wing too big

[next gust]

its spa

so i think they made it like that for downforce

i mean low downforce yeah

[sweet tree]

as a airplane enthusiast i dont like that

[next gust]

also new ferrari rear wing

[zenith pumice]

massive gurney on that hahaha

[next gust]

whats a gurney

[sweet tree]

the gurney flap

the thing on the thing

[next gust]

?

ok now that i see it, thats a huge gurney

[zenith pumice]

the part that sticks up

[next gust]

i get it now.. still havent gotten used to this technical part

[sweet tree]

it make air go up

[tall wyvern]

That’s a side effect, the intention is it makes the suction side boundary layer more resistant to separation

[sweet tree]

oh

[craggy moon]

fsr i thought a gurney flap was the endplate for a while

huh

wait who started putting endplates on wings?

[limpid token]

they used them from the very very start

[craggy moon]

Huh

[zenith pumice]

yeah as far as I can remember f1 has always had endplates on wings

[craggy moon]

When were gurney flaps introduced/ invented

[zenith pumice]

Gurney flaps were 1970s

[tall wyvern]

No, the lotus 49 was the first car to use a wing, Monaco 1968. It had no endplates. It was banned instantly because it kept breaking, so the low wing version became the norm. That one has endplates.

[charred shadow]

https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1684512784124354561?t=zBzdiNKlnZEUa_zLfXG3yQ&s=19

Motorsport.com (@Motorsport)

Aston Martin believes not making the right choices with car development and set-up is behind its recent drop in #F1 form.

https://t.co/LoEtwV70lh

Twitter · Jul 27, 2023, 10:35 AM

I don't want to hear it

Atleast mike krack is being honest about it (yeah that's his name)

[zenith pumice]

ah interesting, I didn’t know that

[coral glade]

👀

[craggy moon]

Hmmmm

[west agate]

For engine cooling? They were saying that was why their car was having issues earlier on in Hungary

[coral glade]

Likely

@west agate

Completely new sidepods 🔥🔥

So yes probably for engine cooling and aerodynamics

Drag reduction mainly

[west agate]

Oh dang; cool

[tall wyvern]

Drag reduction based off what?

[coral glade]

My guesses

To be blatantly honest

It's one of the issues surrounding the w14

As well as rear downforce

Also, spa is a perfect circuit to introduce such an upgrade at

[next gust]

yaho

[coral glade]

waho

[next gust]

how do i keep up with technical stuff

[zenith pumice]

really cool

[next gust]

yo hann

how do you keep up with these type of news

the upgrades and shit

[coral glade]

Twitter

Albert fabrega

And there's always updates on there from all sorts of accounts

[next gust]

ok

[stray wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/mpemba-effect-freeze-freezing-freezing-cold-cold-gif-13293257

Crush that mf

[frozen cradle]

Wow. Do we have a top down??

[coral glade]

Don't think so

[deft burrow]

if this aint the wing you're using in spa, ur doing it wrong smh.

[deft burrow]

The cars get uglier and uglier the more they get upgraded lmao

[frozen cradle]

Nah, its advantage locked in for years

[coral glade]

💀💀💀

[charred shadow]

I find it beautiful

And that's probably the carboncedes

[sweet tree]

ong

[civic fern]

We should be calling it the staircasecedes at this point

Sidepod is first step

High plenums are second step

Top of the car is the third step

[mortal goblet]

So I just read a yt comment section about if F1 would be nicer as a spec series (more similar cars) than a constructer series as it is rn, since the winners wouldn’t be as dependent on the car engineering than on the drivers skill. Whats your opinion about this?

[limpid token]

If people want that, they can watch indy or FE

[mortal goblet]

I personally think F1 is fine how it is, since its imo the character and thrill of F1 to watch the teams develop new cars, doing upgrades each races etc.

[mortal goblet]

Yeah I agree, F1 would be just Indy with other cars or F2 with bigger cars.

[tall wyvern]

It’s an engineering competition, spec series would be stupid

[charred shadow]

That's what I'm saying

[radiant elm]

I would love to see a race every season like that but I like how f1 is rn

[flat imp]

I like the silly goofy engineering side, even though it is often at the cost of good racing. What could be fun would be introducing something similar to the WEC BoP but I don't see any teams in F1 wanting to implement that at all so it's a moot point

[charred shadow]

What is the wec bop?

[flat imp]

Balance of Performance. It's been adapted from a lot of sportscar racing as a way to keep costs down and parity between teams who might be running difference cars with diffierent potentials. It basically adjusts limits on a few different car parameters, (engine power, weight, aero, etc) to keep dominance down. Started out with GT3 back in the 2000s.

Sorry for the delay Geoguessr daily challenge is Very Important

[void tundra]

ah yes
looks like car

[coral glade]

Much car

[amber kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmpj-X5WBAE

It's also interesting that Mark and the RB7 are faster in some areas compared to Nyck in the AlphaTauri
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAvez2CQjsQ

[civic fern]

Mark?

Where the hell was Seb?

Asleep?

[devout steppe]

I think F1 is just as much about the engineering as it is about the drivers

[zenith pumice]

it’s even more about the engineering than it is about the drivers

[civic fern]

Its more organizational management than engineering

Just due to the sheer scale

[stray wraith]

Its about the memes

[severe hill]

how is Verstappen gaining so much time over Perez when they’re in the same car, what is Verstappen doing that’s making him gain 20 seconds on Perez even though he started P6

[limpid token]

to put it simply, VER is just better

people are saying PER is amazing with tires, but its far away from what VER can get away with

you can just see Mexico last year

and in Spa it allowed him to get the maximum from the softs

[torn crest]

a few reasons. mainly like what svitman said. max is just better. also the car is effectively made for just max. thats why otherwise great drivers struggle at red bull. on top of that, the car is reportedly extremely twitchy. something max can handle with ease but most others cant, even in f1.

[abstract pawn]

fascinating analysis

[ember patrol]

hello
this is a question mostly related to aerodynamics in the airfoltools webpage
http://airfoiltools.com/airfoil/details?airfoil=s1223-il
how can i change the velocity of the air i mean prob changing ncrit and reynolds

[civic fern]

S1223s? ew

get that CL bait garbage out of here

[civic fern]

jk, basically reynolds number is the normalization for velocity and accounts for density, viscosity, fluid speed itself, and characteristic length of the object i.e. when you compare 2 objects in a fluid flow you need to make sure the conditions are similar, and you do that by matching Re

so you would just change reynolds number

[ember patrol]

yh lol figure out some other airfol

[tall wyvern]

Reynolds number is the ratio between inertial and viscous effects.

Mach number must also match.

[charred shadow]

He's just built different

Also funny how we are talking about max in technical

He is pretty much a robot

[torn crest]

basically yeah lol

[torn crest]

thx

[merry delta]

new interesting B Sport video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUj52YxToU

it makes me wonder if RB will actually use waterslides or not next season

[mint nacelle]

But seriously how are we going to decrease the ICE output when it's literally the main part of the car

Its the center of everything

Not a fan of going my hybrid tbh

More*

[left geode]

Are you talking about the 2026 engine rules or the engine equalisation topic?

[azure swift]

to put it plainly, Max was lapping a second faster than Perez at Spa, despite managing

turns out he 100% was, because in S1 and S3, which are hardest on tyres, his timings were in line with Perez. Maybe a tenth or two quicker, here and there

where he was gaining all that time was in S2, the most corner heavy part of the track

so not only was he going a second faster per lap, he was going a second faster in a single sector

Perez is a genuinely good driver

Verstappen is an actual contender for the Greatest of All Time

something I didn't even think Max would be in the conversation of for another couple years at least

Max in that RB19 is genuine lightning in a bottle that has arguably only been captured thrice before. Hamilton in the W11, Schumacher in the F2002/4, Senna in the MP4/4

[limpid token]

the maximum peak power (corner acceleration) will stay roughly the same

[vestal depot]

I'm not the biggest fan of the reduced ICE power, shoulda kept it more as is but with the increased electrical systems, F1 will risk falling behind by not going much more than 1000hp.

And of course the rumors of engine equalization is a bullshit proposal.

[left geode]

Something to understand is that there is lot of reasons for why the ICE output is reducing greatly after 2025:
1.Carbon Neutral fuels will be introduced (which in a way,means the fuel will be way leaner compared to what is used currently,remember that ICE output got slighty lower from 2021 to 2022 with the change from E5 to E10 fuel,but everyone,maybe except Alpine already recovered the deficit and possibly has slight more power)

[vestal depot]

And that's because Renault even during the V8 era made shitty engines, it was the Red Bull chassis that bailed them out.

[tall wyvern]

Thank god you numbered that list

[left geode]

2.The 2026 car regulation plans to use a 70kg fuel tank,which is 40kg lesser than the current regulation,meaning the engines will be also working at a lower fuel flow to run the whole race distance.

[vestal depot]

That's also stupid, everyone complains about the weight yet whenever people throw around bringing back refuelling it starts WWIII.

[limpid token]

because we use so little fuel compared to the time we had it last time, that any benefit to actual racing is gone

70kg fuel tank is not 200kg lighter than 40kg one

[vestal depot]

Of course but it's something, the days of the pre 2014 weights are probably over but you can make some progress.

[left geode]

3.In order to reduce costs and simplify the engines,there'll be the standardized components coming into the mix too

In my opinion,the only big problem about the 2026 engine formula is that in a long straight the power loss would be so big when the ERS usage per lap limit is totally used,and at the other hand if energy recovery is not efficient,we could see a lot of trail braking or lift and coasting to save and recover battery energy

[tall wyvern]

There’s no usage per lap limit

[tall wyvern]

That’s now

[left geode]

In my opinion (again),the 2026 engine formula would look much better and it could still be relatively economic and efficient if it followed the LMDh or Hypercar method of how hybrid powered cars can run

Most of the time at WEC or IMSA,none of the cars run at the full combined power from either the eletrical or fuel powered engines/motors

[tall wyvern]

Since I feel you don’t believe me

There is no limit

[left geode]

Okay,i see but now i'm thinking about how F1 could run the 2026 engines or make a way to have a balance between power and economy given the lower fuel tank and flow

For example,in low gear acceleration all the power from the ICE would be used,but in a long run,a ECU would reduce the ICE power at a certain rate and deploy the ERS at the same rate to cover the power loss

Another alternative way to make the 2026 engine formula interesting in a way is maintaining the ICE output that we have nowadays (currently we have those claims about the ICE having around 840-860HP if not higher) but doing the increase in ERS power (the 470HP that it's expected for 2026) so we can have something akin to the mid to late 80s with the turbocharged engines

[left geode]

Do qualifying with all the available power (could be almost 1300HP combined) but in races you'd have what i mentioned here,in which the maximum power than can be used is fixed in order to avoid discrepancies in performance

[vestal depot]

Why I woulda gone all in with plug-in hybrids instead, more applicable to road cars and could have smaller batteries.

[left geode]

I don't know if this is wrong,but i'm pretty sure the current 1.6L Turbo Hybrid F1 engines works the same way as a plug-in hybrid.
Both eletrical and fuel powered engine delivers power at the same time

[vestal depot]

Plug in hybrids however have the ability to plug in electrical charge, so like during a pitstop we have have someone recharging the battery alongside traditional braking creating that.

[severe hill]

Pretty interesting video by engineering explained about the differences between the engines

https://youtu.be/KxDQBVzXWt4

[amber kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qms3d3HqJxM

[limpid token]

that is literally backwards what they achieved with the engine mode ban in 2020

[upper ivy]

How applicable is that for F1 though? To my understanding, they don't start with a full battery that gets drained more and more as the race or quali goes on and instead all the power for the battery is generated directly while driving with the ERS.

[civic fern]

The Renault V8s were pretty good engines

[formal estuary]

Why not just use super dope v10s and v12 with sustainable fuel without the fancy turbo, mguk, mguh, battery. Reduce weight, reduce environmental impact and sound like actual racecars all in one go.

[upper ivy]

because most manufacturers have no interest in V10 or V12

[fresh vault]

I feel like the aura of F1 lies in the fact that the cars are some of the fastest on a racetrack, so I hope they don’t lose that in 2026

[zenith pumice]

why would they?

[fresh vault]

Because the car could be slower based on what we’ve heard so far

[zenith pumice]

how would it be slower enough in a way to significantly impact “some of the fastest on a racetrack?”

[fresh vault]

I guess just the difference in power between 2022 and 2026

To be fair, this thought only arose after watching the video above about how the car will “lose so much power”

[zenith pumice]

from the ICE? well, it’s being compensated for by the electric motor which will now put out 475hp, in combination with the ICE producing between 545-570hp.

Today, the MGU-K contributes 120 kilowatts (163 hp) to the total output. By 2026, it will be 350 kilowatts (475 hp).
[...]
The internal combustion engine will no longer produce 560 kilowatts (760 hp) as it currently does, but between 400 and 420 kW (545 to 570 hp).
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-reglement-2026-details-motor-technik-radstand-getriebe/

the size of the fuel tank will go down too, a consequence of the greater focus on electric power. the only thing will be a probable weight increase because of the larger electric components

[fresh vault]

As I understood it, the battery would be the same as this year, therefore being able to contribute power for a shorter period

There’s possibly something I’m missing?

[limpid token]

currently you can do 3 laps with max electric engine, in 26 that would be just one, so you are going to have crazy out/in laps but overall it doesnt make much of a difference

[fresh vault]

Ah, gotcha

[vestal depot]

Mercedes and Ferrari however tended to be slightly better during most of the V8 era.

[civic fern]

the Renault was mapped specifically for Red Bull's early throttle and drivability

Lotus had a competent race winning car in 2012 even without taking advantage of that

the V8 that went into Alonso's R26 was also a good engine. of the 8 years in the V8 era, Renault powered cars won 5 of the WCCs.

they weren't far and away Mercedes hybrid level dominant but they were very good engines

[left geode]

The Renault V8 engine wasn't the best engine of the grid,both Ferrari and Mercedes V8 PUs were more powerful than it,what made RedBull really great and successful is that their aerodynamic package was considerably very great compared to the rest (which was what made a team great or not during the V8 era)

[vestal depot]

Yea

[civic fern]

power wasn't the only metric tho, the Renault was also more efficient which mean it could take a not-insignificant amount less of fuel

if you dumped a Merc or Ferrari engine into one of those Red Bulls, chances are you'd actually end up with a slower car because it doesn't have the Renault's specific drivability focused mapping

[civic fern]

tldr it might not have been the most powerful but they definitely weren't shitty engines

[left geode]

I don't know,but if RedBull used a Mercedes or a Ferrari engine,maybe they could be even way ahead what they were during 2010-2013

And probably they could actually continue fighting for titles from 2014 if they had the Mercedes engine

[civic fern]

i mean, Seb was literally booed on podiums

not sure they need any more dominating

[civic fern]

that one, definitely

the hybrid Renaults were trashboxes, even Adrian Newey lost interest in F1 because of how bad they are

that's how he found the time to do the Valkyrie lol

Renault got bailed out of that one for a bit because the 2014 Ferrari hybrid wasn't much better, and the 2015 Honda made a new low

[formal estuary]

Both Power regen and battery life will remain the same, actually I think the regen is going down. So peak power will remain the same but average power will go way down. Max talked about it

[slate plinth]

Anyone know how the teams "solved" the porpoising issue? I am watching on board's and I see it still does, but seems like they just fixed the issue with it hitting the ground. So seems like they just added a bump stop.

[tall wyvern]

They raised the car

[slate plinth]

But not Redbull, since they never had the same issues and they could run the car way lower. Hence the run away championship

[warm tundra]

No every car was raised by by min of 15 mm the regs introduced at the start of this season asked this of every team to solve porpoising

[full crystal]

RBs concept, mainly the floor & suspension has allowed it to maximise downforce with the new ride height limit which is why at most races and most obvious to me quite recently at Spa it sparks on the plank of the car. It also explains as to why Ferrari has lost the way their concept works and only recently have they sort of brought it back. At Austria that new floor did them wonders in generating maximum downforce and was the lowest car to the ground out of all the teams if I'm correct but from the new technical regulations by just that ride height limit Ferraris concept is completely redundant and now they'll be following the RB concept & philosophy

[mint nacelle]

2026

[mint nacelle]

@left geode me neither

The engine I'd the main component of the car

Is

How can you reduce the power

[limpid token]

one of the main issues was the floor seal being too good at higher speeds, they reduced the seal by raising the floor edge

[tall wyvern]

What does that even mean? That is not true

[vestal depot]

And my thinking is F1 should move in that direction as starting with full batteries alongside traditional recovery under braking allows for more peak power and adds road relevance. LMP1 planned to have have that until Porsche left leading to what became Hypercar.

[upper ivy]

but that would just require bigger batteries wouldn't it

right now they can pretty much charge the battery in one lap

(and I assume it will still be similar with the 26 regs)

[vestal depot]

These regs would also include the return of refuelling countering the slightly larger battery. You also might as well if you're already gonna have to stop for 6-7 seconds instead of 2-3.

[zenith pumice]

well as far as I know the 26 regs were always designed in mind with the regeneration being far far greater to compensate for lower ICE power and thus reduce the fuel tank size. it is obviously for a greater push to be more environmentally friendly.

the way it is right now for the 2026 regulations is that we need to burn fuel to spin up the MGU-K, which then after the car is running at lap conditions, will function as a normal MGU-K. this issue here being, that we need to use fuel to make electric power in the first place, which is obviously sort of hypocritical. the original idea that Symonds had was to add another regeneration point at the front axle, which would’ve effectively eliminated the need to burn fuel to spin up the MGU-K and would’ve allowed us to reduce fuel tank size so the electric components would be better at energy generation without needing to burn fuel. the manufacturers however, don’t like doing stuff at the front axle, and so refused this solution. so here we are, now with a regulation system that has to work around that while keeping the teams somewhat ok as well

[zenith pumice]

why would refuelling at a pitstop be required for the 26 regulations? why the longer stop also?

[broken edge]

The K in MGU-K stands for kinetic, meaning the car has to break for it to be activated, adding another one to the front axle is just plain dumb even gen3 and the prototype for next gen formula e doesnt have a front axle MGU-K

[zenith pumice]

I’m just quoting Pat Symonds.

Formula 1 technical director Pat Symonds thinks Horner's concerns are exaggerated. “They are based on simulations that are nine months old: We are a lot further ahead today and will be a lot further ahead again next year." According to Symonds, the lap times after the last simulations are similar to those now, and there is little change in driving characteristics.

The fact is that to recuperate power at part load, you have to burn fuel to get to the 350 kilowatts. The manufacturers have inflicted this upon themselves. Fearing Audi, they all rejected additional energy recuperation on the front axle.

[zinc bison]

Have we seen any wheel tether failures since 2 were mandated in 2010?

[left geode]

Probably Giovinazzi's rear tyre hitting Russell's Williams at Spa 2020

[mint nacelle]

I still disagree with it. But thank you for the explanation.

[prisma sapphire]

Probably Giovinazzi's rear tyre hitting Russell's Williams at Spa 2020
@left geode Good shout. There have been a few actually, Magnussen at Silverstone in 2020 and Grosjean's horrendous Bahrain crash spring to mind, but luckily it's much rarer than it was.

[amber kraken]

Oh boy. Here we go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBW-DZQhaIo&ab_channel=THERACE

[keen jungle]

@tranquil jacinth #f1-games

[left geode]

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-reglement-2026-details-motor-technik-radstand-getriebe/

Seems there's another problem in the 2026 engine regulation:
The increase of 150kg from the drive

[full crystal]

Interestingly doesn't fully focus internally such as Enrico Cardile becoming the new TD, Fabio Montecchi the new head of vehicle concept or what Vassuer fully plans to do in the future regarding the lessons learned this year currently

But they plan to use the rest of this season as a test bench and start a whole new car and concept from scratch using inspiration from the RB19 but aggressively

Glad they talk about Pierre Wache & Loïc Serra though

[formal estuary]

Yeah they're gonna be trash

[limpid token]

where did you get the 150kg from?

[carmine cove]

How on earth is adding a recovery motor on the front axle a bad idea? Imagine the efficiency gains!

I understand the fact that the front axle won't be charging the battery when the car goes down a straight, but then under braking the amount of energy that can be recovered will be far greater than just having a rear axle

[broken edge]

Weight and aero

[carmine cove]

Does a motor and diff (idk if they allow slip diffs) outweight 30 kgs of fuel?

Pat Symonds says it's just 18kgs with all the gears and stuff, I don't see why that is a negative thing

[broken edge]

1 for each wheel, aero loss, design being complex and subject to failure i think id take the fuel

[carmine cove]

Well I haven't heard of front axle failure in Formula E this year 🙃

[carmine cove]

No not really you can use one motor on the front axle

[broken edge]

there is no front axle MGU-K on a fe car

[carmine cove]

Huh????

[carmine cove]

I mean it doesn't deploy energy but it's still a recovery device isn't it?

[broken edge]

no its only on the back afair

[carmine cove]

oh boy please Google it up, I'm sure the formula E website can give you an answer for that

[broken edge]

ok nvm i was wrong

but i still think its questionable to add this to formula 1

and for the record the first 2 gens of fe didn't have a front powertrain

[upper ivy]

Gen3 does have front axle regeneration

[tall wyvern]

F1 should but teams said no because they are scared of Audi because of prototypes

[limpid token]

yea, its new for gen 3

and they even did a showrun with 4 wheel drive in London

[stray ibex]

Hi guys, I have to write an Extended Essay for school (IB Program) and I wanted to write about F1, does anyone have any ideas in what I could write about? I was thinking of doing it in physics or history. If anyone has any ideas or experience I would really appreciate any help. (I also asked in the F1 reddit)

[sweet tree]

write about Michael Schumacher

[civic fern]

take the plot from Rush

[flat imp]

If you’re doing history William Grover Williams is a FANTASTICALLY interesting guy with a really cool early Grand Prix racing story

Not really modern F1 but if you’re into old shit his statue is the one that just gets moved out of the way every year for the Monaco GP lol

On the physics side IDK how IB physics works really but you could try to go through something like track limits with mechanics— designing materials/runoff that punishes going over without being Wall Or Sausage

[stray ibex]

Ooo, that’s a really interesting idea, I’ll ask my physics teacher if this could be a potential topic. Thanks a lot

[amber kraken]

I found this interesting bit on a Motorsport article that the AlphaTuari suits Danny Ric's driving style
https://au.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-never-wants-to-go-back-to-mclaren-f1-level-of-driving-style-detail/10507760/

[zinc bison]

Grosjean got a race ban for his 2012 spa antics, why didn't bottas get more seriously penalised for his Hungary 2021 incident?

Also, why have we seen wheels coming off of cars since wheel tethers were introduced?

[civic fern]

Penalty points system didnt exist yet, so they were just hand waving punishments and he got a race ban in that case

In 2014 that system was put in place to maintain better consistency for stuff like that

Bottas got 2 penalty points for Hungary, you need 12 to get a race ban

[dense nova]

He had also been in several incidents prior, that was the final straw.

[sturdy ferry]

Nothing can be designed to withstand everything

It still happens

It probably does a lot of good to have it anyway rather than not but won’t prevent a tyre coming off if the accident is that violent

[vestal depot]

Sorry it took a while to respond, basically if you're going to rapid recharge the racecar and refuel the stop will naturally take a bit longer, perhaps to counteract that you only allow one man per tire like Indycar instead of three.

[charred shadow]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1694730744168640701?t=V5mHuYRNe4bFRe1SJTDUKw&s=19

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

Aston Martin también ha cambiado la tapa motor con nueva aleta y salida de refrigeración.

Aston martin has also changed the engine cover with new fin and cooling outlets.

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Twitter · Aug 24, 2023, 3:17 PM

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1694732289249325373?t=V5mHuYRNe4bFRe1SJTDUKw&s=19

Albert Fabrega (@AlbertFabrega)

Comparativa de la salida de refrigeración de frenos y difusor en el Aston Martin

Aston Martin rear brake cooling outlet and diffuser comparision
#f1 #dutchGP

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Twitter · Aug 24, 2023, 3:23 PM

[coral glade]

como 33

so many upgrades

holy shit

[charred shadow]

OH YEAH

Please baby make it happen

[amber kraken]

Going back to the driving styles of current drivers. Who prefers to have a car with oversteer, a car that has understeer characteristics or a mix of both (If there is a driver and car that prefers a balance of oversteer and understeer)

[slow bloom]

I think Alonso prefer the car with oversteer

[frozen cradle]

Perez understeer, max oversteer

[limpid token]

its the other way around

Alonso - understeer
VER - really oversteer
rest of the grid - oversteer

[slow bloom]

Ah

[charred shadow]

It's the complete opposite actually

Though he can pretty much adapt to any car

Easily

[rough sluice]

Watch some of videos of alonso in the earlier days, particularly around his championship winning days and you will see his understeer driving technique in full effect.

[slow bloom]

Ah Raikkonen was the one who prefer oversteer

Got confused

[shell cipher]

anyone got fia docs on merc upgrades

[civic fern]

Verstappen, Leclerc, and Russell prefer oversteer. Hamilton, Alonso, and Perez prefer understeer

[charred shadow]

Fun fact

Fernando was second in P1 because he had the new floor, and after that in P2 he was tenth because he was using the old floor, while lance was testing the new floor.

The upgrades are working

Fucking finally

[radiant elm]

Is there any way to compare Lawson and yuki laps? Other than pure lap time and see where Lawson lost his time

[pale trout]

Yes through telemetry (if yk how to read it)

https://www.f1-tempo.com/

This site has latest telemetry

[rough sluice]

👍

[agile tangle]

Differences outlines

Spent a lot of time on this

[west nimbus]

That's a reall good edit, damn

[agile tangle]

iPad is hard to do on

[west nimbus]

I wasn't being sarcastic, I genuinely do think it's a good edit

[agile tangle]

The comparison was from somewhere just had to put lines

[west nimbus]

Ahh okay, I thought you meant you did the comparison and everything lol

[agile tangle]

#formula-1 message Nah just the lines

To highlight what’s different and make it more stand out

[west nimbus]

Ohh alright

[mortal goblet]

might be random: but what would’ve happened if hamilton and verstappen both crashed out in Abu Dhabi 2021?

[jaunty surge]

max would’ve won because he had more wins i believe

[agile tangle]

Smallest WDC winning margin of 0 points. Max had 1 more win so he would get title

[dim mango]

Max wins on countback

of course that is on the assumption that they both DNF and don't hit each other

in which case it would probably be dragged on for weeks in front of the WMC

[civic fern]

Its hardly random, that was a real possibility talked about during the leadup to Abu Dhabi considering how previous races went in that season

Michael Masi even had to put out a press release reminding everyone that points deductions are on the table as penalties for misconduct

In response to the Senna Prost 1990 scenario

[vestal depot]

And we know that Mercedes even brought a team of lawyers if it came to it.

[amber kraken]

Right so, there are talks that AlphaTuari will use the Red Bull car designs from next year onwards, with rumors also stating that AlphaTuari will use the RB19 chassis for next year. Not sure if this will draw comparisons to the "Pink Mercedes" by Racing Point during the 2020 season

[true grove]

Differences are so minor but the effects are massive

[tepid plover]

33 incoming

[agile tangle]

Yeah init

[mortal goblet]

What has happened there (Im kinda new to F1 history so dont judge pls)?

[civic fern]

Senna led the championship going into the last race, and took Prost out in turn 1

Neither scored so Senna was WDC

Same thing happened with Schumacher twice

[sturdy ferry]

Was the penultimate race

But yes it prevented from Prost and Senna racing it out on the track for a race distance

Same thing happened the previous year though to a less violent degree

When Prost turned across suddenly at Senna as he was attempting a late move on the inside of the last chicane

[silent rose]

1994, Schumacher was 1 pt ahead of Damon Hill and drove into him, securing the championship
1997, same thing happened, but schumacher retired and Jacques Villeneuve kept going, becoming champion
Schumacher was then disqualified from the entire 1997 season

[pale trout]

more like Schumacher made that happen

[amber kraken]

F14T flashbacks
https://formu1a.uno/en/charles-leclerc-i-have-no-idea-if-i-will-understeer-or-oversteer/

[bronze scaffold]

who’s been the most disappointing driver out of the teams this season?

not including Perez

[tepid plover]

stroll

[ancient scaffold]

are they allowed to do that? sureley they'll be penalised. or are they banking that the penalty will be worth it to be competitive

[ancient scaffold]

de vries

[vestal depot]

What is meant by that is they'll try to mimic a lot of the Red Bull design in the 2024 racecar.

But it'll still be a bit slower, it's not the real thing and Red Bull will also make improvements this offseason.

[ancient scaffold]

Ohh ok. It was phrased like red bull will give them the RB19

[vestal depot]

And you also got teams like Mercedes and Ferrari who've admitted their car concepts haven't worked and are going to move more in the Red Bull direction for next year when they have the ability to construct their racecar from the ground up again.

[merry delta]

HAAS already does a rather similar thing to what they're currently planning with Alphatauri, so as long as they only buy the non-listed parts and make the listed parts, they should be fine

[amber kraken]

This could turn into a McLaren 2004 moment for Ferrari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54F4GmQgaA

[merry delta]

real

[prime mortar]

Coming into Monza for sure, but other tracks like spain where its a bit of a mix sometimes?

[merry delta]

what are you asking?

[silent rose]

Tbh ricciardo.
So many people will hate me for this but
He wasn't doing much better than devries and had years of F1 to boot

[bronze scaffold]

He’s only had 2 races though, and hungary was a solid drive

[wraith acorn]

so basically the pink mercedes situation

[civic fern]

Thats like saying Alonso shouldn’t have come back at Portugal 2021

[quiet mantle]

He’s driving an AlphaTauri, do you blame him?

[merry delta]

not really, think more of something like HAAS

[silent rose]

exactly

hes not bad

but the car is shit

[prime mortar]

P13-P13 is very good considering he was punted to last in lap one in hungary, P16 in spa. Nyck was P12 at best through 14 races, daniel could have easily got P11 or better in hungary.

[short ether]

But just under In Hungary,he was punted by Zhou and later for a initial lap he was ded last still he came p13,in Belgium he have his quail lap got cut due to corner cut and in the sprint shoot out he was in p11 before the red flag

[silent rose]

as i said, people hate me

lol

[rapid nacelle]

Any CFD users I want to try and learn CFD?

[tall wyvern]

Are you at university? If no you can only try openfoam which is much harder.

[stiff charm]

Anyone know when this medical warn light was introduced?

[rapid nacelle]

What is openfoam please tell me

[tall wyvern]

https://www.openfoam.com good luck lol

[flat imp]

That shit's crusty

[tall wyvern]

Meaning what?

[flat imp]

Don't like it

Used it a total of one (1) time and tis not a friend

[tall wyvern]

Okay lol well f1 teams use it so

[flat imp]

Good for them they can suffer in peace lmao

[tall wyvern]

It’s very flexible and powerful

[flat imp]

It's got its strengths but I found it a lot more unpleasant to use than other CFD shit

[tall wyvern]

It’s infinitely flexible and can be made to do anything, plus you have to actually understand what it’s doing under the hood so it’s harder to make mistakes because you know more what you’re doing by necessity. I’ve used it far more than other, commercial codes

[flat imp]

it's pretty limiting in some aspects depending on what you're doing though. ik for some things that I used to do it was just inefficient compared to other options. Granted I have pretty specific needs wrt research uses, but I also just didn't enjoy it

[tall wyvern]

Not if you can adapt/write solvers yourself.

I’m not sure you can make that judgment having used it one time as you said

[flat imp]

Again. One time meaning in the pursuit of a specific thing for research. It wasn't the right choice which was made more than clear when my advisor recommended switching and alternate software was much quicker. I'm sure in some use cases it's fine but for the use case I was working in it was a big limiting factor

Not saying it's inherently awful just saying I don't enjoy it for what I do and it's not the best option for what I do

[stiff charm]

?

[tall wyvern]

By its very nature it’s as capable as any other product because its modifiable, unlike commercial products.

[rapid nacelle]

Thanks

[drowsy rampart]

This is a question I’ve had for a while and I guess I sort of intuitively know the answer but don’t full comprehend it. Why does more downforce on a car generally equal more stability as well? Shouldn’t cornering speeds proportionally increase with more downforce, but the stability remains the same negating any setup differences between rear and front grip for example? I guess the amount of grip F1 and Formula tires in general have also have something to do with how stable they are through corners, but I don’t see why more downforce shouldn’t purely equal more cornering speed without the extra stability. You always see regular non-downforce cars making so many corrections through corners and generally being so unstable, and even F1 cars have gradually become more stable over the years as downforce has been added. As I said I’m sure the incredible grip of the tires has something to do with it but that can’t be the whole story

In short why does more downforce = more speed and stability through corners instead of just more speed

if this question even makes any sense lol

it does in my head but maybe not to anyone else

[formal estuary]

Instability comes from lack of grip, grip is increased by downforce. So more downforce = more stability + it's easier to control balance.

[drowsy rampart]

oh ok

thanks

[edgy anchor]

The more mass you have on something that is sprung, the more dampening that will have on weight transfer as you have to overcome all the inertia of the extra weight. More downforce is equivalent to generating weight on top of the cars' mass. This means they can spring something stiffer and stop it rolling about also which keeps the dynamics of the car stable whilst the weight transfer changes

[edgy anchor]

If they had none of the wings or floors they have now, it would be alot more skittish. It might actually be not that possible to run on the spec of tyres as they're not designed to take the loads you'd have skating across the surface

You can tho get quite unbalanced aero cars which're spooky

[drowsy rampart]

oh great explanation 👍

[sweet tree]

SKIPPY

OMG

[edgy anchor]

Hoh?

[sweet tree]

hello

[tall wyvern]

The main two components are position of centre of pressure vs centre of gravity, which is called static margin, and aero balance, which is % of total downforce on the front wheels. Just ‘more downforce’ doesn’t make a car stable, in fact it can do exactly the opposite of the aero balance is wrong.

[sweet tree]

beam wing

what are u gonna do when there are no more beam wings

[tall wyvern]

Change my name to whatever part I’m working on at the time

[formal estuary]

"The Drink"

[opaque arch]

Are u guys stupid just use Ansys Fluent student version

[tall wyvern]

Doesn’t really work in an f1 team

[opaque arch]

Bro Redbull uses ansys

And meredes uses sim center

Openfoam is only for williams and haas

they all use star ccm+ and aws cloud solver

No f1 teams gonna waste time to use a cfd solver that requires u to simplify geometry

[deft burrow]

let’s make sure we adhere to rule 1 please :)

[zinc bison]

Can anyone explain why Bottas is so bad at defending? Like I don't really understand defending but why is he always getting passed with little to no effort? https://twitter.com/FifthGear10/status/1700091165880529198

Fifth ⚙️ (@FifthGear10)

"Fuck it, it's Bottas"

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[opaque arch]

He doesn't give a fuck bro

he knows hes moving to alfa

a position doesn't matter to him

[tall wyvern]

I’m literally an aerodynamicist in an f1 team

And they don’t use a student license lol

[zenith pumice]

well it’s not a very easy question to answer. I think the simple way to do it is that Bottas has always had a more “let’s finish the race instead of be aggressive mentality.” we saw it at Mercedes too, though I suppose there it was far more important for him to be that way than it is now

it’s maybe not the best mentality to have, though some drivers had the same mentality. the difference is that you need to balance aggression with carefulness. you can’t always be aggressive and you can’t always be cautious

[zenith pumice]

(you may consider getting the f1-affiliated role if you wish)

[dreamy furnace]

because he is a pussy and ultra-afraid of closing the door or making dangerous moves.

That's why in all races he won he won from pole or inherited the lead with no overtaking.

[civic fern]

Because 5 years of driving cars that win on pace will do that to your driving style

When you can win races by just driving faster than everyone else, you don’t really care if you get jumped at the start or if someone somehow passes you

You’ll get them right back, or undercut them in the pits

Your priority and strategy then is to protect the car

You don’t have anything to gain risking damage and DNFs fighting cars that are going to be slower, cars that you will have real chances to finish in front of anyway later on

[civic fern]

To be fair he does have a point. student Ansys (despite its absurd student license limitations) will do for the majority of people asking how to do CFD in this channel, and they are more likely to get somewhere than trying to code openfoam from scratch. How he expressed that point leaves a lot to be desired

[tall wyvern]

Hm I wonder why I said ‘are you at university?’ Followed by ‘if no you can only use openfoam which is much harder’

[civic fern]

i didnt know you absolutely needed a university account for student versions

[sweet tree]

yes

[civic fern]

Like Dassault will give you student versions without even asking for valid .edu emails

[tall wyvern]

I would say surfacing is actually a more important skill anyway

[flat imp]

My experience w OpenFOAM is extremely colored by the fact that I was required to use it for a thing it was absolutely not equipped to handle lmao. It's a niche use case and I doubt most people on here will encounter it but using tools that aren't meant to solve a problem sucks

[prime mortar]

would it be possible for someone to make a f1 car for under 50k? I think its pretty easy to do if you know all the hands on parts

[edgy anchor]

Under £50,000?

Make a new car for under £50,000?

[flat imp]

I mean. First off it wouldn't be possible for a singular person I don't think. You need access to industrial equipement that can take several people to run, you need to buy everything to make that to begin with, then you need the operating costs of all of that equipment. Toss in software costs, a wind tunnel and the time to use it, assembly, and paying the wages of everyone making it. No, it is not possible to design and make up an F1 car for under 50k. That's less than one engineer's yearly salary.

[edgy anchor]

Engine cost alone has the consensus of $10,500,000

50 grand will buy you a Hyper X-1 tho so I wouldn't complain coz that looks like a baller car

[prime mortar]

Who said it has to be an F1 power terrain? Weld a frame, get a used supercar engine, or even an cheaper pickup truck engine, fabricate your own gearbox. Set up the electrical components that links to the gearbox and diff and brake balance. You could probrboly program an expensive racing wheel to even work. Push/Pull Rod suspension may take time but is very possible. Manufacture a fiberglass body and it should be done. Wheels, and brakes are interchange able. In terms of the design of the car, you can try to copy an popular car from present or past, or try to become Adrian Newey II.

I think its pretty feasible over two or three years, there was a man who made a GT40 over the course of 4 years. I think this is even more possible

[edgy anchor]

But... Like

What do you then define as an F1 car?

[prime mortar]

What I am saying is that essentially a showcar that is stronger and has mechanical components underneath

i guess its more of a kit car than a F1 car, I wouldnt intend for it to be able to compete even in the slightest with a F1 car

[civic fern]

Do you just mean an open wheel single seat car at this point

Cuz Formula SAE and Formula Student cars have budgets around that

[flat imp]

But those aren’t F1 cars in any stretch of the term

To build a car to F1 regulations you’d need a much larger budget

Like unless you want to build like. A 1950s death trap

[civic fern]

He kinda threw the entire F1 regulations part out the window with subsequent descriptions

Especially the cheap pickup truck engine and DIY gearbox part

[flat imp]

Yeah fair lmao

If you want to weld a fucked up chassis by yourself, not use any carbon fibre, and make something that resembles an F1 car in the same way I resemble Charles Leclerc, then yes

[civic fern]

Complete with a powerplant sourced from another vehicle, and DIY/off the shelf electronics and brakes on a budget? Welcome to FSAE

[flat imp]

FSAE is fucking hilarious

[civic fern]

Ikr

The pic i posted is my school’s car

[flat imp]

Oh NICE

I quit FSAE after a bit bc I was uh. In medical hell lmao

But had fun and non-fun

[civic fern]

[opaque arch]

There are literally a bunch of CFD and FEA solutions for public. E.g. Ansys Fluent/Discovery, Autodesk CFD, Inventor Nastran, Siemens Sim Center/FLOEFD, Simscale, etc. For people like us (me 13 years old), those software can handle our problem easily and I am not being rude that we aint building a 400 million box to compete f1. Although some of the edu version that I have listed have elements, nodes and iterations limits, the resources are already enough for public. We are not going to learn how to apply every single boundary conditions and write solvers to solve our studies. And the most important point is that aero space and automotive companies are trying to switch to simplier CAD and CAE programs. Companies don't wanna invest resources to teach their employees to use Catia V5 and code solvers. They are trying to switch everything to solidworks and creo or even fusion 360. There are literrally GT3 teams using fusion 360 to develop and manufacture car parts. And ye, any CFD programs that I listed will do for the majority people of people asking how to use CFD in this discord server. No one wants to learn how to use NX or STAR CCM+ and most of the entry level CAD can already handle most of the mesh models. Additionally, CAD programs companies are trying to promote their entry level product instead CATIA, NX, Invertor etc. Anyway my point is that companies don't even care to give out free CFD program programs. Just look at Ansys, you don't even need to certify or to create an account. There is literally a big download button for the programs and they include everythinig (even IC engine) so there is no point telling someone to use OPENFOAM

[tall wyvern]

I have no idea why you’ve latched onto this so much, but the fact is that openfoam is genuinely the best to learn because you have to understand what you’re doing, rather than just clicking buttons. If you’re just clicking buttons, you’re not learning CFD, you’re learning to click buttons. The skill of CFD is knowing what’s behind the curtain. That is the role of a cfd engineer. Re CAD, the reason that there are different ‘levels’ of product at all is because they serve different purposes, otherwise only fusion 360 would exist. I use catia every day and I would not be able to do my job with a lower level product because of the complexity. If you think that a broad stroke ‘companies’ are switching to lower level packages just because they don’t want to train staff on higher level packages, you do not understand the packages. Catia v6 is brand new. Why would Dassault produce a new version if ‘everybody is switching to simpler programs’.

[civic fern]

I think it’s impressive that you know so much about CAE at the age of 13. Whether those free public versions of most of those softwares are sufficient solely depends on what people are trying to accomplish. For example, 500k cell Ansys will do for a small cube but not Formula SAE.

Try to remember that Beam Wing is literally an aerodynamics engineer at an F1 team (most likely Mercedes given his OpenFoam experience), so he absolutely will write boundary conditions and solvers for his problems.

Unfortunately you're way off about the automotive and aerospace industry. They are absolutely not trying to switch to Solidworks for Fusion 360. The lower end CAD softwares are not enough for billion dollar projects on the scale of airplanes. The biggest players in that area are CATIA and Siemens NX. They are designed to handle assemblies that large, that Solidworks simply isn't powerful enough to handle i.e. it will crash. Boeing absolutely will pay for each and every one of their new employees to learn CATIA V5 (yes the older version). Airplanes have lifecycles in the decades, and it is too expensive to convert the original V5 designs (such as the 787 which was done in the 2000s) and CAE material to V6 (2012), let alone migrate to Solidworks or Fusion.

People absolutely will learn how to use NX and STAR-CCM+. I did this exact thing last fall. Dassault and similar companies will advertise Solidworks to entry level consumers because it's cheap, but you bet they're pitching CATIA 3DX to billion dollar corporations

[drowsy nacelle]

Entry level CAD cannot handle most mesh models. It's just a disguised simulation.

You can use semi automated tools for brainstorming. Billion dollar companies do that, people without much or any experience in simulation do use these tools. But once the ideas start maturing, people kick back and run proper simulations

Also most of the ideation people do in auto or aero OEMs is not always high level, so you are right that people like these tools, but you simply can never be 100% sure - depend on these semi automated tools for a fale-safe product (depends on the degree of complexity), now or in the future.

[drowsy nacelle]

Tbh they are pitching whatever sells. We already have a simulation team, but they recently came to pitch semi automated simulation softwares to the modelling team to run their own "simulations" before submitting to run proper ones.

It's a funny business

[civic fern]

what do you work in? also the simulations team getting the modelling team to run their own sims sounds like a potential job security own goal in the future when layoff season inevitably comes again

[drowsy nacelle]

Auto. And that was just a ruse. I am forgetting the name of the soft, but the meshing was automated and you could run some basic structural sims. It was basically a big play on how the simulation team has loads of work and somebody suggested that the modelling team should run some preliminary ones before submission, just in case of a major red flag and prevent loss of time.

I am telling you, it was a funny business.

It was Altair

But I don't remember the product

[civic fern]

it's possible to code Macros to make meshing automated if you're just going to use the same mesh over and over again

https://ifcuriousthenlearn.com/blog/2015/06/10/catia-and-simulia-scripting-and-automation-with-python/

i ran into that the other day when i looking for CATIA and Python

[drowsy nacelle]

Yes but they made a cheap software out of it

[civic fern]

Altair? is this an auto OEM?

[drowsy nacelle]

Have you heard of hypermesh?

[civic fern]

I've heard of Hyperworks

[drowsy nacelle]

They own the product

[civic fern]

my school teaches that for it's CFD course (it's a joke)

i never looked into it but i heard it is a suite on it's own that includes decent FEA

[drowsy nacelle]

It's great FEA, but you are right about the CFD part

They have a product which they have matured significantly now.

I tried using it. First time trying to learn/ Get into CFD by using that tool of theirs. Some back pressure simulations in a tailpipe. And I come from modelling. It was a struggle. Got no where.

Acusolve

That was the name of the solver.

[civic fern]

my capstone course was "you have 4 months to design an airplane, here's some lectures and a textbook. go"

[drowsy nacelle]

Hahaha

[civic fern]

I had STAR-CCM+ because I was on the Formula SAE team. everyone else made do with Hyperworks from the CFD course

[drowsy nacelle]

xD

[civic fern]

I heard from another group that the compressibility button did nothing because the code behind it was not written

Which was really interested because every single group without exception designed a jet meant to cruise in supersonic speeds

[drowsy nacelle]

We had no direction for our capstone. Think about the idea and do it to whatever level of complexity, with a faculty to guide ofcourse.

[drowsy nacelle]

Hahaha

[drowsy nacelle]

Lol

[civic fern]

our capstones were major specific, and Aero was split even further. i was on Fixed Wing (other options where Space and Rotorcraft)

[drowsy nacelle]

Ah

[civic fern]

like MechEs got other options as well like Inventor Studio

[drowsy nacelle]

I was in Mech E, we also had to develop working prototypes of our capstone ideas. So things were a bit bound. But we did fine. Our idea was into kinematics.

[civic fern]

kinematics? like tungsten tank rounds?

[drowsy nacelle]

Hahaha brother no

KoM

It was a system with moving parts - sums up "kinematics"

[civic fern]

what did it do?

[opaque arch]

BRO Catia is like insanely expensive and there are no student versions. I only have NX student version

[civic fern]

Its $30 for a year of V6

Well, for now it is with back to school promo

Usually its $60

And it comes with 3DExperience

Insanely good deal for what it is

[jovial atlas]

Yall think CFD would enjoy this?

[edgy anchor]

Fam you'll be making some lift up front there

[opaque arch]

is there free version

[civic fern]

You’ll have to ask for that through your school

[stiff charm]

When did they implement this Crash Warning Light? Tried to ask in the sub reddit but posts get deleted.

[edgy anchor]

It's not a light, it's a button

It forces the car into neutral from an external position

Same as the E switch on the side of the tub it's a Pull chord for an emergency stop

[stiff charm]

there is a warning light

if the impact is greater than 18 g it flashes

[edgy anchor]

Oh... My b

The button is the other one

[stiff charm]

Literally cant find it anywhere when it was implemented

[stiff charm]

gotchu

@edgy anchor dont know if its this

[edgy anchor]

Just trying to look at images between 2006 and 2007

[stiff charm]

good idea

[edgy anchor]

2006 didn't have them, I assume it was either 2007 or 2008 especially because 2008 is when they moved to a spec ECU so they could guarantee disable Traction Control

[stiff charm]

2007 fia document

https://tenor.com/view/josémourinho-portuguais-coach-real-madrid-victoire-gif-12469557

[edgy anchor]

https://s1.dmcdn.net/v/HeysO1NzNbGlmf4V5/x1080

Okay no yeah 2007

There's two dits

That's cool, I didn't know about that

I wonder why 18G

[stiff charm]

good question

[edgy anchor]

I assume it's a medically assured thing to guarantee they get a medical examination

[stiff charm]

wonder if fia uploaded the official document online

[stiff charm]

probably

[edgy anchor]

But 18G is quite specific and... Like... Yeah specific, usually drivers nowadays can handle alot more uninjured, but wayyy less than that can be a freak for damage

[stiff charm]

http://www.jomenvisst.de/fia/2007SportingRegulations/2007-F1-SPORTING_REG_13-07-2007.pdf dont know how reliable this is

but only thing i could find

[edgy anchor]

Oh no they'll likely be legit

FIA has freely posted regs which is cool

[hollow aurora]

Official FIA: https://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/1754DB4574B7A2C0C1257329003642F0/%24FILE/2007-F1-SPORTING_REG_13-07-2007.pdf?Openelement

[stiff charm]

goat

[hollow aurora]

First search result

[stiff charm]

not for me lol

[stiff charm]

only this

[stiff charm]

weird

[hollow aurora]

Would you look at that, DuckDuckGo finally got better results than Google

[stiff charm]

😂

[stiff charm]

chrome frauds?

[modest solstice]

Interesting

[opaque arch]

Surely my school doesn't have it

[civic fern]

only one way to find out

you seem to know quite a lot about these sorts of programs for a 13 year old

it would be a waste to sit and accept it's not possible without even trying

[opaque arch]

I just want someone to teach me stuff

I have been designing a super formula based open wheel car and i really wish someone can teach me to design a suspension

I dm beam wing but i think hes too busy cuz he got a real job

[civic fern]

model a suspension in cad or design one for mechanical grip?

[opaque arch]

Of course for mechanical grip i dont wanna design something that is useless

I want to make something that actually works

[civic fern]

well the primary purpose of a suspension is such that your car doesn't bottom out and explode

anything that satisfies at least that gives you a moving car so it's far from useless

anyway heres a textbook that (in theory) teaches you everything you need to know

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cFIpvEYs9SqTX_tJKm2T9LtO4CgU-7AS/view?usp=sharing

[opaque arch]

thanks i have been finding it for so long

[agile tangle]

Woah some bits falling off?
Btw that feels such a long time ago

[unreal pivot]

How long will teams keep their steering wheels before they get upgraded

[opaque arch]

Under the budget cap i dont think teams will purposely change their steering wheels. And ye drivers can even watch youtube from the wheel. Software updates are enough in this current state until next regulation change with maybe more functions or sensors stuff

Anyway teams wanna keep wheel simple as this is the fundamental of design @unreal pivot

The latest steering wheel change is from alfa romeo

Zhou and bottas probably dont like it so they change it but it looks pretty much the same

the same rotaries and buttons and LCD screen

[deft burrow]

I believe their steering wheel change was to shave off extra weight from the previous one.

[unreal pivot]

Eventually the technology will get outdated but it feels like that won’t be any time soon

[opaque arch]

they update it every year

[paper wing]

Congrats @opaque arch, you're now on lap 5

[unreal pivot]

What I mean is when the next big change like this will be

[opaque arch]

i think u need to wait aleast 8 years

tbh

just look at the 1999 and 2008 they are pretty much the same

except exposed wires in 1999

[tame rampart]

a big changing in just 10 years between 80 to late 90 , got many function like power mode , radio , clutch

[tame rampart]

it is more comfortable using round design or ...

[severe knoll]

i think it's more or less down to what steering wheel fits your activities best

[green marlin]

Yes, and what you have space for in the car

[short ether]

My steering wheel wont steer in F1 23

Like at all

I cant find a fix for it

[mortal goblet]

what wheel

what platform

[short ether]

G920

Series S

[mortal goblet]

have you plugged it in and out

restarted console

chose the preset in the settings (idk if that helps but try that)

[short ether]

Ill see what i can do

Thanks

[mortal goblet]

does it work in other games tho?

[mortal goblet]

np

[short ether]

It does not steer when i turn the xbox on

Sorry on

Is that ffb related?

[mortal goblet]

does it do the turn on thing

[short ether]

No it doesnt

[mortal goblet]

like turn form left to right once

[short ether]

It just sits still

No it doesnt do anything

[mortal goblet]

well that your wheel might be broken

or wait

look if the cables are connected

like power supply, usb and the cable that go into the wheel

[short ether]

Did i forget anything?

[mortal goblet]

well there should be 3 cables

connection, power supply and pedals

[short ether]

Pedals are connected

They do work

[mortal goblet]

what do these cables lead to

[short ether]

Where do i put this cable in

[mortal goblet]

cant look on my g923 rn bc its screwed to my rig

[short ether]

I cant find a hole where it has to go into

[mortal goblet]

men

thats the power supply

no wonders it dont work

[short ether]

I know

But i cant find where it has to go into

Thats the issue

[mortal goblet]

but no problem I also forgot to put it in the first time I got my wheel

[short ether]

Do i connect it to the steering wheel or pedals? Because on the steering wheel i cant find a hole

[mortal goblet]

there

[short ether]

It goes in there?

[mortal goblet]

yes ig

[short ether]

How did i not see it

[mortal goblet]

bc somebody decided to make the indicator black on black

and its hidden by cables

[short ether]

Yeah fr

I found the hole

Lets try it out

It finally works

Thanks for your help

[mortal goblet]

np man

had the same issue

[short ether]

If not for you it would still be looking😂

[mortal goblet]

forgot to plug in power supply snd started a race

guess who run into austria turn one

[short ether]

Yeah fr

Am so dumb

[mortal goblet]

so np man and have fun racing ^^

[short ether]

Thanks a lot man

[visual cloak]

Hey everyone

I have been trying to turn on my CSL Elite for some time now. It is in the power outlet, and everything is connected. The fanatec app doesn't show it when i open it. I can see firmware and basicly nothing in there. I have tired updating firmware and the driver. I don't know what to do.
Also it happend after i got a updated firmware to my wheel base.

Deer Regards
Mathias

[visual cloak]

I cant get the power light to turn on

[merry grove]

Is the blue light on the power brick showing when plugged into power source?

[visual cloak]

nope its not

[merry grove]

Then maybe your PSU for the wheel has gone. I'd probably change the fuse in the plug first though to check that's not gone

That's if you're in the UK I'm not sure EU plugs have fuses?!

[topaz basin]

Correct if wrong but im sure all plugs have fuses

[merry grove]

Just found this so I presume not?

[topaz basin]

Damm i thought eu had a fuse

[amber kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdSGvl25zws

[pure forum]

Hey there people. Please who is very technically sound on f1 cars, please dm me. I want to ask some questions.

[zenith pumice]

you can just ask them here

[opaque arch]

I have tried OPENFOAM its so complicated. You literally need like C++ knowledge. I rather use Ansys or FLOEFD instead

[pure forum]

Well okay, I thought it’s against some rule or something.

[opaque arch]

@pure forum find @tall wyvern he works in f1

[zenith pumice]

well, you didn’t mention anything about your podcast in the first message. I thought it was about the cars or f1-related questions, not a guest search

that we won’t allow without prior authorisation from the staff. please open a ticket from #rules

[pure forum]

Sorry guys

[short ether]

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[short ether]

Hi guys. Is there anybody who works or has worked in Formula 1 teams or related OEMs in CAE or CFD department? I want to connect and get guidance. Will appreciate any leads. 😊

[short ether]

Wow.

Me before and after my new years resolutions

[tall wyvern]

i am, what do you want to know?

[opaque arch]

beam wing can u help me i am the 13 year old kid

[violet spire]

I’m fairly new to F1

I know some cars are faster and some are slower

But what is the real difference maker

Between something like a Haas and a Ferrari

[opaque arch]

Aero Balance, Aero efficiency from the floor and wings

[steep patrol]

business finally becoming interesting fr

[opaque arch]

So u telling me that brembo is not famous

[steep patrol]

they make brakes right?

[opaque arch]

ye

[steep patrol]

not to the british it seems like

[opaque arch]

what textbook is this

[steep patrol]

alevels business studies

ze cambridge coursebook

[opaque arch]

lol

[tawny pollen]

guys:
I have always assumed that the Halo protects drivers and that it works, and that it covers the head, but...... it doesnt exactly cover drivers head

how is it supposed to work then

its like something over the head that doesnt cover the head

i dont understand it at all

i know its made of titanium but i dont understand all of that

idk sorry for my ignorance but if you can help

[coral glade]

@tawny pollen it's mainly made for large objects

for example, tires, like it was originally designed

that middle pillar deflects it

and the top part that goes around is if anything lands on top

see Charles leclerc 2018 spa or Lewis hamilton 2021 monza

hope that helps

[tawny pollen]

ok

thanks

[coral glade]

np

[merry delta]

or Zhou 2022 Silverstone

[coral glade]

yeah there's plenty of instances

those were just the 2 that came to mind first

[merry delta]

fair enough

[vestal depot]

Like the Halo is really a compromise, keep the idea of open cockpit single seater racing but also have a rollhoop style device that could deflect big debris that the drivers helmet can't deal with without serious head injury.

[tribal karma]

i mean with out the halo lewis will be dead