classic-motorsport

[round swift]

105 vs 94

But only the best 11 results counted toward the championship.

Lucky guy

Why race for 16 races when you can race 11 races and get good results

[south tree]

Old F1

[round swift]

Yup

[south tree]

The one that could split a point for 7 DRIVERS

(British GP ‘54)

Due to fastest lap

[little flower]

Senna only would've had the chance to keep the fight on - he headed into the race with a very big deficit. Even if he did win Japan he'll still need win in Australia and have Prost finish 6th or worse (1 point) in order to win the WDC

controversial decision? yes. Unfair to Senna? I think so. But in the end it probably wouldn't have changed the championship outcome.

[frozen prism]

He didn't bother because he already lost the championship

only if he won in Suzuka would he have kept fighting in Adelaide

[analog jasper]

think thats a misconception

[frozen prism]

it was

if he won in suzuka he would have remained in contention for the wdc

but in reality he had a slim chance to win

regarding prosts consistency

[analog jasper]

in the end they both retired in adelaide

wouldnt have changed anything

[frozen prism]

yeah but its weird how suzuka was always the penultimate race for senna and prost

never really in adelaide

[round swift]

Prost knew senna won like to win in japan for his fans and for Honda

And Prost knew that Honda was supplying Senna with a better engine and that’s why he knew he had to beat him to prove to them

Atleast that’s what I believe

[oblique dock]

Prost even recalled one time where compared to him, Senna had more mechanics present at his side.

[frozen prism]

all I can say is that Prost turned into Senna

whether to take revenge or just from resentment

their careers went well

[round swift]

Sorry I meant to say Senna!!

It seemed that they favoured senna more then Prost

[idle gale]

The Last Straight 8 powered F1 car

[hidden storm]

Sadly

[idle gale]

Fangio v Brabham

So I kinda guess that this is a Straight 8 vs a V8 as well

[frozen prism]

this was in 1976 if i believe

Fangio retired 19 years before and Brabham retired 6 years before

Fangio and Brabham weretold that it was a demonstration lap but Fangio flipped off the organizer and decided to race Brabham

[low valve]

Lmaooo

[round swift]

Haha

[past drift]

He held Brabham for long tbh

Despite being in 11 yo machinery or sth

[low valve]

Wasnt brabhams car of the era when they were underpowered

Just a thought

Bc i know there was a time where engine capacity and power dropped a lot

[short glade]

cosworths are no joke

[past drift]

that's true, basically the Brabhams were the shit just after the max displacement was put back to 3L (from 1.5L in 1961-1965), when they had an engine made by Repco

but for a very brief of time were they that good, as soon as the Cosworth arrived, they were basically outpaced by the Lotus and Cosworth users in general (they dropped the Repco quickly after that however)

[round swift]

Context plz

[south tree]

1993 Tyrrell. That’s all I know

Oh, and they had Yamaha engines

[meager pewter]

That right dere'd a Tyrrell 020C ft. Yamaha OX10

[oblique dock]

1991 Tyrrell 020 = best iteration

[round swift]

019 was pretty good too 😞

[oblique dock]

The 019 was cool. The nose made it even cooler

[round swift]

The nose and front wing yeah

91 they had a Honda engine

92 not sure

93 Yamaha

Also was semi automatic

‘91 was there most successful year becuz of Canada

[oblique dock]

Stefano Modena was underrated and overlooked

[frozen prism]

there are alot of studs in the 80s-90s that go underrated and under the radar

Roberto Moreno, Thierry Boutsen, Patrick Tambay, Stefan Johansson, etc.

[meager pewter]

92 had the Ilmor

[frozen prism]

its really a shame that the 60s and 70s dont have as much footage and coverage as the 80s and 90s

[idle gale]

Daniel Bruhl in the Ferrari seat

[frozen prism]

I think the only thing different about Bruhl is his nose

[analog jasper]

baron zemo as niki lauda

[oblique dock]

Thor as James Hunt

[frozen prism]

maybe thats why zemo and thor have never met

they are secret friends in disguise

[late crag]

"It's a Ferrari!"
"It's a shitbox!"

[idle gale]

"It understeers like crazy and the weight distribution is a disaster! It's amazing! All these facilities, and you make a piece of crap like this!"

[late crag]

stares
"Augh?"

[round swift]

🤣

[round swift]

True stuff tbh. And most of them had good cars to drive, Williams, McLaren, etc

[past drift]

Agreed

[south tree]

92 Ilmor

[past drift]

ye in 92 you just had Jordan using the Yamaha engine

sadly they couldn't afford keeping the Cosworth in their car, which did proper wonders in 91 for their first season

[south tree]

But I’m pretty sure that from all the Cosworth engine cars from that season(excluding Benetton because those were more Ford than Cosworth) Jordan were the only ones who didn’t have so many problems with their engines

[short glade]

moreno goated

[past drift]

They're also the only ones with the HB, the other teams ran the DFR

(only ones witb Benetton)

[south tree]

Actually, only Jordan and benetton were competitive with the cosworth engines in 1991

[frozen prism]

and coincidentally were the teams schumi was part of in 1991

[languid swallow]

DAMS GD-01

[hardy briar]

Ikr, they cast him super well in Rush, I don’t think they could’ve picked a better actor to play Lauda

[hardy briar]

Is the rear wing that short in length?

[past drift]

It was standard at the time, probably in the technical rega

I forgot if this dams was for the 95 or 96 season

[frozen prism]

1995

iirc

[ornate zephyr]

Ursus

[frozen prism]

" Ur Sus"

[hardy briar]

[weak hill]

🧯

[round swift]

Lol

Weird front wing

[hardy briar]

God that car is atrocious

[past drift]

dude who drove it finished 2nd in the WDC with it

[hardy briar]

Yeah

Doesn’t make it look any better tho

[round swift]

X wings

https://assets.whichcar.com.au/image/upload/s--zHub-JB9--/c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:good/f_auto/c_scale,w_1606/v1/archive/wheels/2017/05/07/Misc/Ferrari-F300.jpg

Tower wings

https://assets.whichcar.com.au/image/upload/s--HqBQOH8e--/c_fill,f_auto,q_auto:good/f_auto/c_scale,w_1606/v1/archive/wheels/2017/05/07/Misc/Benetton-012.jpg

Love this wing

[signal flint]

Did that race?

[meager pewter]

Those were more Ford than Cosworth
The whatnow?

[hardy briar]

POV: you are Barichello and you overtake Schumacher

[round swift]

Beautiful, green, classic F1 car

[frozen prism]

yeah Ronnie Peterson

[round swift]

Yes

[frozen prism]

i really thought that was a benetton

but then i remembered that benetton never made a car with those crazy wings

then i saw alboreto on the car

so it had to be a tyrrell or a ferrari

[hardy briar]

Benelton

[round swift]

It’s a Benetton Tyrrell

[gentle turtle]

McLaren mp 4/4

[marsh mango]

bro who did a a karate undercut on that wing wtf

[meager pewter]

Alfa Romeo* to be annoying

[frozen prism]

bruh its literally a tyrrell

i think you are talking about this alfa

in 1983

[reef fable]

1986 was the last time we see over 1k HP cars

[frozen prism]

the bmw and the renault

[meager pewter]

I meant how you brung up Tyrrell or Ferrari

But Benetton didn't sponsor Ferrari, but Alfa in 84 and 85 which you've shown you know anyway oof

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Alfa_Romeo_185T_Museo_Nazionale_dell'Automobile_di_Torino.jpg

But damn the scheme is hot

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1395/0565/files/AlfaRomeo_Patrese_600x600.jpg?v=1629560489

[signal flint]

Benetton always had a good colour scheme

[frozen prism]

i was talking about Alboreto

but Alfa just has a random tendency to use the same sponsors as other teams

Marlboro and Benetton

[meager pewter]

Shame that eith their Turbo V8 they were hog ass

[past drift]

V8 with mechanical injection

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/6b/4b/bd6b4b58960f1b278462a148278a4521.jpg

Toleman TG185

[meager pewter]

A V8 with Mechanical Injection isn't necessarily bad

Cue drag/american engines

[past drift]

Well, everyone had electronic injection then (even hart around 1984)

[south tree]

it was actually '87

[south tree]

I always wanted to hear their Turbo V8

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/1FO69uUMxh0

Shame it only featured a few revs here and there

[past drift]

Osella also had it

[oblique dock]

I guess you can say….

It FA1Led

[past drift]

hehe

i drove that in 1988 HRL

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/j4-iSdgfIxw

Man's just drivin' with no rear wing

[weak hill]

tf

[past drift]

ye they tried using this boomerang shaped wing

[south tree]

I always thought it sounded like a NASCAR xD

[round swift]

Best wing

[round swift]

Ya the 87 Williams made like 1.2k horsepower in qualifying trim

[south tree]

Not only that

The highest max speed of all turbo era was 353kmh

Record settled by the same Williams Fw12b

On Monza with Piquet

Second is Berger on the ‘86 Benetton BMW again on Monza (351kmh)

Honda’s speciality on formula 1 is obviously V6 turbo

[round swift]

Mercedes did better for 7 years straight

[south tree]

Hybrid power ig

[round swift]

Lol

[south tree]

Honda did the best old v6 turbos, in that we agree

[round swift]

Honda and Williams

[south tree]

And Mercedes do the best V6 turbos

Exactly

[round swift]

Ya Williams did good in the old v6 turbo era

[south tree]

Williams, Mclaren…

But Lotus

Lotus Honda was good because Ayrton

When he left they even got a DNQ right the next year

[round swift]

Yup

McLaren and the TAG engines

Yup

[south tree]

And Ferrari…but those only on the paper

[round swift]

And BMW

Won the championship in 1983

[south tree]

They suposedly had the most powerful car in the 1986 season, but the F1-86 couldn’t take a single win

BMW were always the same on that era: Powerful asf but kinda unrealiable

[round swift]

true

[short glade]

bmw

[meager pewter]

BMW can't've done the best V6 Turbos if they've mever released a V6

[round swift]

Lol

[past drift]

Well, he demanded to have shit teammates in 86 and 87

[round swift]

Poor Johnny

I really liked him as a driver and his on-boards

[sleek cargo]

nope, his teammates were kinda shit

[hardy briar]

god, camel liveries are so sexy

in any motorsport!

[slender veldt]

😍

[short glade]

banana cars

marlboro better

[slender veldt]

no

[oblique dock]

Rothmans VS Lucky Strike VS Marlboro VS Mild Seven VS Winfield VS Gold Leaf VS JPS

[short glade]

vs west

[oblique dock]

How could I forget

[hardy briar]

[oblique dock]

1. Marlboro
2. West
3. JPS

[short glade]

yea

[late crag]

vs Mission Winnow

[short glade]

thats marlboro

but disguised

[late crag]

still a rebrand

for motorsport

[short glade]

disguises dont count

[late crag]

I say they do

[short glade]

we want raw branding

[oblique dock]

The barcode Ferrari used for subliminal messaging wouldn’t count either

[short glade]

censored no count

[winter ravine]

Vs Benson and hedges

[oblique dock]

VS Gauloises VS Rizla

[short glade]

wtf is rizla

[short glade]

bru

[winter ravine]

Vs 555

[late crag]

vs BAR

[oblique dock]

BAR is a team, not a tobacco brand

[late crag]

because it was a tobacco manufacturer's team

Then I might as well say BAT

[oblique dock]

Of course

[winter ravine]

Let's do alcohol now?

[timid cove]

Estrella Galicia?

[winter ravine]

Martini vs Johnnie walker vs Jagermeister

Vs kingfisher

Vs peroni

[late crag]

wait

We forgot VELO in the tobacco portion

[winter ravine]

Vs bitburger

[oblique dock]

VS Warsteiner

VS Campari

VS Heineken

[past drift]

https://www.john-w.de/models/forum/ph/M26_30.jpg

[oblique dock]

Dat customer chassis

[south tree]

that blue mclaren is official I think

here Hunt in the other blue mclaren

[oblique dock]

I never knew James Hunt drove that

[south tree]

I mean, I don't even know the reason ot the existance of that livery

I just know it's from 1978 and was used by the official team

marlboro light '86 mclaren btw

[oblique dock]

Yardley M23

[oblique dock]

That’s an odd sponsor

[analog jasper]

haas lola

[round swift]

Best one off ever!!?

[south tree]

in how it looks? probably. in results? surely not since it DNF'd

[round swift]

The orange/yellow looks gorgeous

In results meh I think it’s in looking rather in results

Livery doesn’t change reliability or performance

[south tree]

true lmao

but it said that when teams wear a one-off livery they tend to have worse results

but that's luck, not performance lmao

[round swift]

Really

Wow

Hopefully we have some one off liveries this year

[south tree]

I mean, for ex the one off mercedes used in german GP 2019

or Jaguar's in Monaco 2004

[oblique dock]

Mark Webber won the 2012 British GP with a one off Wings For Life livery

[south tree]

and redbull had a double podium in turkey

with the white and red livery for Honda

[oblique dock]

Ferrari scored a P2 with the 9/11 Livery during the 2001 Italian GP

[round swift]

Yeah I remember watching that race on YouTube

Very emotional

[oblique dock]

Schumacher had wanted the drivers to not race each other into the first chicane iirc, and that turned out to be a disaster

[vague tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g1um9xusA0&ab_channel=LouisDelétraz

[short glade]

hell no lmao

[hardy briar]

Idk if its just the pic but that darker yellow is beautiful

[round swift]

What yes it does

Better than this year mclaren one off

I would say

[glass yoke]

fr

[agile bramble]

2 cursed things:
the team name is haas-lola
and theres aeroflot sponsor board in the background
totally not foreshadowing

[round swift]

🤣

[past drift]

Foreshadowing what?
Also the entry name was Team Haas (USA) Ltd

[frozen prism]

most people wouldve just thought it was a random filter used in a normal mclaren photo

or maybe even color degradation

[frozen prism]

ah the original Team Haas

Alan Jones made a comeback iirc to that team

and it went miserably

[past drift]

He did, but it was the usual poor reliability, the car was decent and he also was

[low valve]

NART

[frozen prism]

i dont know whether to say it looks good because its blue or it looks bad because its a blue Ferrari

[covert raven]

The most dominant F1 car ever built in my opinion

[low valve]

Statistically it was

Looks fine af

[covert raven]

ikr

[frozen prism]

wouldve and shouldve won every race of the 88 season

the only lucky part was that senna and prost and the mp4/4 werent paired earlier

[winter ravine]

Was thinking the same but it does look good

[frozen prism]

it does

but still looks unnatural since its a ferrari

but there has been white and blue ferrari road cars

so i dunno

[winter ravine]

Agreed

[low valve]

Lucky because if they were, then they wouldnt be team mates in 88??

[frozen prism]

?

[south tree]

More than that, it’s unnatural the fact it’s an official ferrari

At least the ones that competed in the last races of 1964

Since then NART kept racing (having sometimes in the same grid ferraris lined by Enzo and other Ferraris of NART)

[round swift]

2020 Mercedes’ and f2004 are almost as good

[low valve]

Idk what you meant when you said this

[covert raven]

I agree with the F2004 claim man ....j agree thats the closest a car could come to perfection

[south tree]

F2002 was prob closer

Since F2002 had all the podiums of 2002 season

Maybe not winning but at least with Schumi, he ended 3rd and his worst result that year

[past drift]

thanks to the regs, the F2002 managed to score as many points as all the other teams combined

[hardy briar]

Helo

[round swift]

The 1992 Williams had a higher pole position percentage

Whereas the F2002 had a 100% podium finishes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_British_Grand_Prix

Just to show you how fast the 1992 Williams was look at the qualifying times

[past drift]

2.741s (or 3.47%) faster than Senna in P3

dayum

[round swift]

Lmao

[meager pewter]

Gimmie that activ sus

[round swift]

Lol sus

[ionic tiger]

classic silverstone looks pretty epic

i mean its only been like 12 years

but still the old one looks so different without the infield stuff

[oblique dock]

The one from 1949-1990 is the best version imo

It really defines the word 'Speed'

[meager pewter]

If it had maggots and beckets and no vale/club chicane

Go zoomie

[idle gale]

Ayrton always had that Nacional sponsor on his racing suit, even during his final days at Williams

[oblique dock]

1984 was the only year where Senna did not gain sponsorship from Banco Nacional

[round swift]

As a symbol of Senna’s bond with his home-country, his famous blue cap was part of his Sunday racing gear. The bank supported Senna from 1985 to 1994. Even though the brand doesn’t exist anymore (the bank was acquired by Unibanco which, in turn, merged with Itaú), Nacional boasts another historic marketing case: it sponsored the first nationally broadcast news program in Brazil, TV Globo’s Jornal Nacional.

[oblique dock]

🇧🇷

[round swift]

🇧🇷

[flat mountain]

https://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/1998/ferrari/f300/2623519

4.9 Mil USD

[past drift]

Is this bae /6

[round swift]

Idk

[hardy briar]

most likely, as iirc the /5 had a different suspension setup and the /7 didnt hav the "Shell" sponsor on the front wing

also, the "lower rear wing" appears to be slimmer and black

4/7

4/6

[past drift]

the beam wing?

[hardy briar]

yeah

was forgor-ing the name of it

[past drift]

right it can't be the /5b cause the airbox is much narrower

[hardy briar]

yeah

[past drift]

mystery solved

[hardy briar]

and the front suspension is entirely different it seems

[past drift]

i think the 5 is pull rod, not sure about 5b

[hardy briar]

4/5

[past drift]

is this pull rod?

[hardy briar]

in this picture actually the /7 is in the background

[round swift]

I think it’s the 4/6

Looks like the same front wing

MP4/6>MP4/4

Actually the MP4/6B looks good too

[past drift]

/6 is my favourite of all

[low valve]

MP4/4🤩

[hardy briar]

4 was good, but for looks, 6>4

[low valve]

4 was best in terms of performance relative to the rest of the field

But yes /6 looks bloody amazing

[meager pewter]

I prefer the 7

https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/car/347/McLaren-MP4-7-Honda-53785.jpg

[hardy briar]

As long as you arent a 4/11 fan

[late crag]

The 4/15 tho

[round swift]

Looks cool

https://preview.redd.it/m70bdv1lnti41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6bbc1ba11f2bb63a503bd95e97152a6ecae568b2

Poof

The garbage 4/9

[past drift]

91 Lotus?

[oblique dock]

Judging by the driver, possibly Michael Bartels, I think it is the 91 Lotus

[copper cairn]

that's right

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/AEZJYb2qRsM

[round swift]

[round swift]

Lmao

[placid hearth]

https://twitter.com/RaceDayReplay/status/1493302162084007937?t=DeSNCL1_kCmOD6SICwJp8g&s=19

Race Day Replay (@RaceDayReplay)

Dynamite from Senna. Love a candid driver https://t.co/tiFSbDnK5I

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What are your thoughts on it

[analog jasper]

"behaving like a coward"

[placid hearth]

he has forgotten that he vetoed derek warwick from lotus lol

sort of, you get the gist

[oblique dock]

The irony

[analog jasper]

wouldve been cool to see warwick in a lotus

[oblique dock]

Warwick scoring GP victories would’ve been cool

Not only that, but Lotus would have achived much more points than what they already had

[meager pewter]

I don't think the same context applies to Lotus tho

[slow grail]

otd in 1996: australian gp qualifying

• f1 moves to a new venue with australia being promoted from season finale host to season opener host
• fia introduces brand new qualifying format, which doesn't sound weird at all today but it was unheard of back then (this was the first time f1 changed its qualifying format)
• last year's indy car champion and indy 500 winner jacques villeneuve scores pole on his first ever f1 appearence
• this is also the debut of the 107% rule, and the legendary forti team is the first victim of this rule
  pole: villeneuve, 1:32.371
  20th place: pedro diniz, 1:36.298 (+3.927)
  107% time: 1:38.837 (+6.466)
  forti car #22: luca badoer, 1:39.202 (+6.831)
  forti car #23: andrea montermini, 1:42.087 (+9.716)

[hardy briar]

[signal flint]

That's not classic

[past drift]

🧹

[idle gale]

The Ferrari that was taken out by a loose onboard camera, of all things

[south tree]

and also one of the most beautiful F1 cars ever

[round swift]

Other Ferraris were nicer

[analog jasper]

wasnt it taken out by the other ferraris onboard cam

[round swift]

After the pitstops the Ferraris were running first and second. However Berger suffered a bizarre retirement when a TV camera on Jean Alesi's rear wing flew off and destroyed Berger's suspension. Alesi looked set to win his second Grand Prix but subsequently retired with a wheel bearing failure with just 8 laps to go.

[tiny flower]

poor guys

smh

[past drift]

This one looked and sounded excellent. A shame it wasn't as successful as it should have

[glass yoke]

insane

[round swift]

It definitely sounded good. Probably one of the nicest V12’s I have ever heard, but the design of it makes up of why it did so bad. The aerodynamics and chassis of it was so bad from previous seasons. Just look at 1995 Monaco.

https://youtu.be/w-qitCCq5Mc

[past drift]

Right, what about it though

https://www.statsf1.com/en/1995/monaco/tour-par-tour.aspx even that race, they were on point

[round swift]

Same with 1994, Ferrari got third…

But 1994 and 1996 I would say had better aerodynamics and chassis

[past drift]

96??

[round swift]

1996 yup

33 races - 8 wins

The F310 was a front running car

[past drift]

It won 3 races

[round swift]

It had bad reliability issues and had little to no pace

Still managed to win three from Williams though

The Williams had 12 wins

Hill winning 8 and Villeneuve winning 4.

[past drift]

I know, but the f310 wasn't a good car

[round swift]

The FW18 was also the second of three cars during the 1990s to enjoy a 1–2 finish on its Grand Prix debut.

The F310 was the second best car on the grid for 1996

Micheal Schumacher finished third in the championship points

1997 was a better season for them

[south tree]

You can’t say it really was a bad car if they ended runner up

[round swift]

But then Micheal got DSQ

[south tree]

I mean, probably technically and aerodinamically yes

[south tree]

Yes. F310B had fixed the reliability problems of the past

[round swift]

Yup and they had better transmissions and engines

6 to a 7 speed and a 046/2

[past drift]

You can, and i do it. It's just that the Williams was head above the rest, and the Benetton was going down

Irvine and Schumacher said it was a bad car

[south tree]

It was basically a good check and upgrade on the previos F310 and F310/2 (the one with the front wing apart from the cone)

[round swift]

Regardless, double-champion Michael Schumacher held truth on his 1995 promise that "in 1996 we will win three grands prix, then in 1997 we will challenge for the championship" by taking the challenge to the last round.

[south tree]

But apart, then the rest should have really done worse cars (but williams ofc)

[round swift]

Keep in mind Ferrari started to use V10’s now

I think they mostly specialized in V12’s

[south tree]

Berger left them because of that

I believe

[past drift]

Yes I've also read the Wikipedia article, but more than that

[round swift]

Okay good

Keep yourself educated

[south tree]

Also I think there is a 412T2 with a V10

Driven by schumacher in order to get adapted to the team as soon as possible

It can be seen in his app

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/XzO9z31LFrI

https://external-preview.redd.it/XsN4cTqnc3jc5VcQkneu7gqjBRDU7srnglCb7cNUV-Q.jpg?auto=webp&s=3e80cc7a71f1ba313dad6d80973efe7025b370f5

I hate how people say that the 96 Ferrari was a failure when the 96 Mclaren had 0 wins or 0 poles in 96, and in 97 only managed 3 wins.

Mclaren fell apart after ‘93

Ferrari started there growth after ‘93

Williams pretty much dominated the 90’s from 92-97

[past drift]

Despite everyone but Williams going backwards in 96 compared to 95, Ferrari scored less points than in 95, had 12 mechanical failures in 96 vs 11 in 95
It's a failure because the car didn't make progress compared to 95, but an expected failure with big staff swaps

[round swift]

And still managed to be second in the championship constructers and for micheal Schumacher to get three wins in 96. Unbelievable.

[steel lance]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1igsL43ovFuK6o3fUrcoi4?si=8Imoh8aQRLGlwYlSH5Nctg

[round swift]

aye

[slow grail]

otd in 1991: us gp, round 1

this race has many firsts:

• after a successful junior career, mika häkkinen steps up and decides to join f1: qualifies 13th, engine dies on lap 59
• eddie jordan forms a new team that would later be the first stop of one very successful driver: neither car makes it out of pre-qualifying
• race winners now get 10 points instead of 9
• but also plot twist: this is the last race in the usa until 2000 due to attendance reasons (it went from around 90k last year to 35k this year)

other race notes:

• easy win for senna despite supposedly having car issues with prost finishing 2nd
• the race ends on lap 81 instead of 82 simply because 2 hours had elapsed
• riccardo patrese chases down williams teammate nigel mansell for 3rd place only to overshoot onto the escape road
• jean alesi and nelson piquet engage in battle for 3rd place (and even for 2nd at some point) but after alesi's gearbox quits on him with 10 laps to go, piquet ends up finishing 3rd
• lots of gearbox casualties occur, almost half the retirements here are gearbox-related

[hardy briar]

Those cars look so small

[slow grail]

well today's cars are bigger so

[round swift]

otd in 1996: new aussie circuit, round 1

this race has many firsts:
-First race of the 1996 Formula One World Championship

-Also the first Australian Grand Prix to be held at Melbourne, taking over from Adelaide.

-Second grand prix in a row held in Australia, the previous race being the conclusion to the 1995 season.

-Damon Hill in his Williams Renault won the race but only because team-mate Jacques Villeneuve, on his F1 debut, led most of the way before being forced to retire with an oil leak.

-Damon equaled his fathers record of 14 Grand Prix wins

-Also a memorable day for Martin Brundle who walked away from a spectacular 170mph opening-lap crash which left his Jordan ripped in two.

-The race was the first to use the new race-start system, still used in Formula 1 today, replacing the old red to green light system.

-This was also the first race to have a single qualifying session on Saturday afternoon; the Friday session was dropped.

-Villeneuve's debut at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix saw him become the second driver ever to claim pole position on his first start

[signal flint]

Is that actually gold coloured on the wing or is it the lighting

[past drift]

no it's dirt

[signal flint]

Oh

[round swift]

Dirty air

[past drift]

he received the gearbox fluid of Villeneuve

[signal flint]

Oof

[past drift]

well i think his car is clean before he overtakes Villeneuve at least

[south tree]

wasn't it also the first time 107% was applied?

[south tree]

no, damon's car was dirty because of what they mentioned up there

[round swift]

Yup

The forti’s never qualified cause of it

[south tree]

then another first

^

[past drift]

did they still have a gear lever then

they did in 95 iirc

[south tree]

lemme check real quick

their car was the fc03 wight?

or smth like that

[past drift]

🤷‍♂️

[round swift]

What do you mean gear lever

[south tree]

it was FG01B and FG03

and woithout looking, I could tell that the Fg01B still had them

[past drift]

manual gearbox

[round swift]

95

FG01

“The FG01 is also notably the last F1 car to sport a conventional manual gearbox + H-pattern shifter, and was the only car to use one on the grid.”

Seems the B version had a semi automatic

[past drift]

ok 🙂

[south tree]

here, the FG01 getting overtaken

[past drift]

Argentina 96 "16th lap: Hill laps both the Fortis of Montermini and Badoer who are the first lapped cars. Stop from Marques."

[round swift]

Lol

Both are the same version just different nose

The best circuit in Formula one history has to be the

Automobil-Verkehrs- und Übungs-Straße
Occasional track

[slender veldt]

avusssss

[south tree]

agreed

now, imagine racing now in it with the new cars

would be great if there were ways to make drivers inmortal

[past drift]

https://twitter.com/Bertie23574627/status/1501948579677544454

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[slow grail]

bonus facts

• this is also the first race without a v12 engine after ferrari had picked reliability over sound
• good news for brundle: spare cars exist and after a red flag, he jumps straight in and makes the most of it by... hitting pedro diniz

[past drift]

you think a V10 is more reliable than a V12?

[low valve]

Why does that car look just as good even when its dirty

[round swift]

Because it’s a Williams

They always look nice

[south tree]

Nah. That depends on which V12 or which V12 are we talkin’ about

For example, Lamborghini’s V12 was less reliable than Honda’s V10

Including Mugen’s from ‘92 onwards

[round swift]

Most cases a V10 is more reliable hence less heavier and most likely less horsepower/rpm’s.

[south tree]

But some V10s weren’t reliable at all

Like Judd’s mounted on Andrea Moda

Or Arrows’s on 1998-99

(Which were really Hart engines I think, but Arrows bought them or smth)

[round swift]

The main advantages of a V-10 are cases when a V-8 would not provide enough power and a V-12 engine would be too large/expensive/complex.

The V10’s were more successful I would say

[low valve]

The rothmans williams was their best livery imo

[round swift]

Top is V12, Bottom is V10

Both are like 2-3 seasons for Honda

[low valve]

V10 was a good middle ground between V12 and V8

For both weight and power ig

[round swift]

Yeah and on gas too

[round swift]

Brundle almost died at that Grand Prix

[meager pewter]

Is... Is that how that works?

[meager pewter]

Yamaha-JUDD's

Also in 2000, before they mandated the useage of V10's, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota had posed that they'd re-introduced V12's as they could make them skinny enough to be re-used

Then they got BEANED

[round swift]

Weight helps control depending on the size of the engine. Horsepower helps for higher top speeds and corner speeds.

That’s why the V10 was more successful

[meager pewter]

Yes but you pose it like a V10 is more reliable by nature

[round swift]

Yes

[meager pewter]

And that reliability equals... Less weight?

[round swift]

Reliability>Weight

[meager pewter]

A V10 can't be as reliable as a V12 by nature as a V12 has all of the harmonic balance benefits and having a smaller piston doing the same revs will pose less unitary stress for the same total displacement

[round swift]

V10 were more reliable and made it better for weight to performance ratio hence why Ferrari switched to V10, unless it was the regulations not sure.

[meager pewter]

They switched to a V10 in 1996 because of the packaging requirements

[round swift]

The 1994 Ferrari retired with 5 engine retirements for the whole season. Whereas the 1991 Honda retired with 3.

And also claimed higher amounts of podiums and wins

[meager pewter]

They'd made a V-Twin model and for the same cutting edge model for 1999 for introduction in the early 2000's, as they could finally shave off the bulk

[round swift]

I guess I can compare the mclaren v10 against the v12

[meager pewter]

Unfortunately by the time V12's would be introduced, the regs stumped it

[round swift]

The 1992 V12 had about three engine retirements

And the 1991 V10 had about three too I think

But also won the championship

[meager pewter]

For pre-2000's that's not hurrendous at all

[round swift]

Williams definitely affect that

For the 92 season

They could’ve had more wins

[meager pewter]

Considering that the 1992 V12 had all the new tech on it like VVT, VTL and Throttle by wire

[round swift]

But the 1993 V8 had only one engine retirement

And did better then the 92 season

Also active suspension

[meager pewter]

Your argument is confusing

[round swift]

The 1990 had zero engine retirements

[round swift]

V12 for 92 achieved less then the V8 for 93

Same with V10 in 91

[meager pewter]

Yes but because an F1 V12 in 1992 was not as good as a V8 in 1993
It does not mean that by nature a V8 is better than a V12

[round swift]

Yeah the ford V8 wasn’t that good

But not sure why they didn’t go with Lamborghini

[meager pewter]

Probably because Ron Dennis saw that Lamborghini was about to go down the drain as a company anyway

As much as I adore that Lambo V12

T'wasn't great

[round swift]

Ford paid him more

But it definitely wasn’t a bad season

I think his 92 season was his worst

He finished 4th I think in the standings

[meager pewter]

... Uhm... The Lambo was meant to be for 1994, not 1993

Or at least late 1993

[round swift]

I thought this was before the season

The Lamborghini test

Never mind it was in September

Ayrton Senna testing the Chrysler-Lamborghini V12 engine in a McLaren MP4/8B as the team weighed up their options for 1994. Estoril Circuit, Portugal, September 1993

He then signed the Williams contract only on October 11, 1993.

https://youtu.be/_zAeX-SittI

I wondered if McLaren did Lamborghini for 94 if senna would’ve stayed

https://youtu.be/1IY1C7Nrk1c

[meager pewter]

I assume that was the final straw as to why

Because Ayrton and Mika wanted the Lambo

That 760hp spec for that 8B does actually look really solid tho

[agile bramble]

when?

[winged heath]

france 2004

i think

wait no

i dont think that's the 2004 season

[dapper siren]

2001?

[winged heath]

that's F2004

[late crag]

It's a test run held sometime in the late 00's

The 2004 French GP was at Magny-Cours

Plus they didn't use the barcode until later on

[past drift]

The car is certainly the F2003-GA or F2004, but thr pic is newer (the car has slicks), so that's beyond the scope of this channel

As for the earlier discussion a V10 is the perfect middle ground between a v8 lightness and a v12 power, but it isn't as naturally balanced as either (because of how 4-stroke work, simply)

So it needs more work to be made reliable than the other 2. The fact it seemed more reliable than the v8 or v12 is because the companies rhat pushed for it, Renault and Honda, had the means to develop it to make it a viable option

This is also why there was no V10 in F1 before 1989.. if it was inherently better without any hassle, we'd have some way earlier

[round swift]

Yup that’s why every team used V10’s from 1998 to 2005

[round swift]

Actually the 1988 Williams tested a V10 for the 1988 season.

The Williams-Renault FW12R(enault) was actually fitted with the Renault V10 engine. The team would use two chassis to test the Renault engine to its max. While the drivers could adapt the new car. Eventually during the first races of 1989, the Williams-Renault FW12C was used for the first races that season.

As same with McLaren - they also tested with V10’s during that year.

The MP4/4B, which was a modified version of the McLaren MP4/4, was used as something of a guinea pig by Honda for the testing of its 3.5-liter V10, which was designed specifically to fit the new regulations set down by the FIA for the 1989 season, which banned the use of turbocharged vehicles in the races.

[past drift]

I uhh.. idk what to say 😂😂

[short glade]

turbo v10 imagine

[round swift]

V6 Turbo<V10 Turbo

[south tree]

Imagine v12 turbo tho

[past drift]

I can imagine but not in f1

[south tree]

I could imagine it, but I think it would be one of those experiments

That can go or perfect or become a real disaster

[past drift]

We'd need refuelling back for these I reckon

[south tree]

Also the fact they are very heavy

The sound would be just great and also would have loads of power

But it can end like the Lamborghini’s 90s engine

Or Yamaha’s

[round swift]

Imagine W16 QuadTurbo

[south tree]

😳

H16 QuadTurbo?

[round swift]

They made H engines back in the 1960s for F1

[south tree]

I know

BRM did the H16

And Lotus actually used them on their 43 that SOMEHOW won a race in 1966 American GP

And that’s the P83

[round swift]

From 1966 to 1968

It also got second at the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix

[slow grail]

otd in 1990: usa gp, round 1

• we're talking about the race where jean alesi pulled a "buenos dias fuccboi" on ayrton senna
• alesi going all-out from light to flag is what essentially establishes his status as "one fine driver" in f1
• shock retirements also play into the drama-filled race in phoenix, including the likes of gerhard berger, nigel mansell and alain prost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmiprP97BA

[past drift]

love this race

[hardy briar]

Same

[meager pewter]

While thanks for defending me
Uhm, ACKCHEWALWY, you can thank 1986 and Alfa Romeo for one of those... Or possibly even Honda in 1982

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Honda_F1_trial_engine_(1982)_front_2014_Honda_Collection_Hall.jpg

Thanks to this puppy

Though of course these weren't raced

[round swift]

Yeah

3.0L Honda V10

https://youtu.be/vi5zlJdPlhE

[meager pewter]

That Alfa V10 I just wish could've seen races and FIAT greenlit a series of developments

Same for the Isuzu too

[idle gale]

I think I found a car more worse than the 2021 HAAS

[past drift]

ohh yes

the Haas was just slow

[analog jasper]

thats the ligier yeah

[idle gale]

Yeah, but was renamed/rebranded as Prost GP in 2000

[past drift]

yeah Ligier became Prost in 97

and folded in early 2002

[south tree]

There are a few even worse

And this is the worst of them

[acoustic void]

Or Andrea moda 😂

[south tree]

Because unlike andrea moda or Coloni, this car was also hyper slow

So slow it could be compared to a formula 3000 rather than a formula 1

[short glade]

life is the worst f1 car of all time

u cant beat that

[south tree]

Or better said, anything can beat it

In both performance and reliability

The engine had a power of like 600bhp (kinda normal for it’s time) but they had to lower it to 400bhp(?) in order to avoid it exploding basically

Also when they got a better engine (Judd V8 I think) their first race with it the hood flew away

[meager pewter]

It was an F3000 chassis with a 400hp W12, ye

[south tree]

basically

[past drift]

many teams did that

Minardi came up with a F3000 chassis, Coloni as well..

i meant Forti

[meager pewter]

HKS tried that with their 300E dev too

[hardy briar]

There is far worse

[acoustic void]

Yep

[south tree]

Life itself being the worse by far

[past furnace]

40 000

🖊I potatoes

[placid hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJbnx660OI
ok for the ones who like history

Dont miss that

[idle gale]

Now I'd like to see a race where the L190 is against, well, this

Although, the irony is the Stewart GP, Lola's main "rival", techincally used the Ford Zetec R engine as well. But their Zetec R was the slightly more powerful VJ V10 engine compared to the ECA Zetec R V8 Lola used

[idle gale]

Oh and even more irony is that Tyrell used the Ford ED4/5 V8 engine in 1997, and they managed to score just 2 points as well

[past drift]

Stewart was basically a Ford works team

[round swift]

Been a year since Murray passed away

Miss you!!! 😢

[hardy briar]

Has it really?

😔

[round swift]

Who are the drivers??

[late crag]

Schumacher and...

[gaunt rover]

Barrichello i think

[late crag]

Either Reubens or Eddie

[south tree]

I think that is Barrichello

[placid hearth]

nice picture. i would like to see russell and hamilton...

wait no

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/5i0h1yPgYd4

Y'know when you're the most powerful V12 in F1 history that you allow Alesi to put in a monster lap and blow off your engine cover?

[oblique dock]

Am I the only one who thinks the Zakspeed cars look beautiful?

[analog jasper]

if only beauty equalled speed

[oblique dock]

True that

[idle gale]

Michael just chilling on the recovery truck

Max Verstappen: "That's what you get when you don't leave the space!"

Ayrton Senna:

[hardy briar]

Senna is completely unfazed

Helmet not even turned

[tardy burrow]

Who was the most f1 wins in a season without winning the championship?

[tardy burrow]

thats in their career

[tardy burrow]

i wanna know for a single season

[craggy ember]

probably do the research yourself then

check the list, go through each driver in their best year

[tardy burrow]

yeah im trying to but most recordbooks are career wise

[craggy ember]

Massa, 6 wins in 2008

[round swift]

Probably Bottas lmao or Max

[round swift]

Yup correct 🤣

[slim eagle]

"This is fine"

[past drift]

Lewis, probably 2016

[round swift]

Maybe 1984

Prost had 7 wins and lost the championship

Yeah Lewis had 10 wins in 2016 and still loss.

Let’s do the math

10/21=47%

7/16=43%

[round swift]

6/18 = 33%

[past drift]

Right that's Lewis as i recalled

[round swift]

Yup probably Lewis

[past drift]

They asked for more wins without a title, and so far 10 is that number

[craggy ember]

Maybe Vettel or Alonso?

Maybe even Kimi at Mclaren?

[south tree]

Grand prix cars were pretty similar from the 30s to the 50s

In another 20 years, grand prix cars changed a lot tho (50s-70s)

But yeah, I sometimes can’t believe they have changed so much

[idle gale]

It's amazing that the Williams FW14B is still the most advanced F1 car ever made, compared to the modern cars we currently have

[past drift]

15C (1993) but yeah

Who knows how advanced cars would be if they didn't stop this electronics race after 93

[umbral lichen]

hats off to the engineers that made this car

sad its dominance was brought to and end so quickly

[past drift]

dominance is bad

[south tree]

Yeah, that one along the FW15C were and will prob be the most advanced formula 1 ever

Only time will tell if there will be more advanced cars

[craggy ember]

I'd argue that the modern cars are way more advanced

just cause they don't have drivers aids doesn't mean they aren't leaps and bounds ahead in construction, aero and safety

[south tree]

But the williams is more advanced at least in terms of electronics

[round swift]

Didnt it have infinite gears?

[oblique dock]

That was the FW15C CVT

[short glade]

that was unreliable as hell

[limber atlas]

and most importantly it was unraced

[tardy burrow]

def not bottas, he "only" has 10 wins in his career while lewis in 2021 won 8 races but still lost

[tardy burrow]

ok, so that means lewis. thank you!

[round swift]

Well he drives a Mercedes for a few years thought maybe he would have some wins but guess I was wrong

[round swift]

Yup Lewis from 2016 I guess

FW14B holds the record for most pole positions in a season with 14/16 from Nigel Mansell I believe

Highest percentage

“The FW15C had 12% better aerodynamics (downforce/drag) and an engine with 30 additional horsepower than the FW14B.”

“Also, the FW15C featured an ABS braking system which was not available on the FW14B and featured a 210L fuel tank, compared to the 230L tank in the FW14B.”

[atomic granite]

put this in the louvre

[meager pewter]

https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/79026274_2589150684538703_35644307251658752_n.jpg?stp=cp0_dst-jpg_e15_fr_q65&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=JdJqcm9nVlQAX9D31mt&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AT-M_uUAk31YNEjAJxBbqlsdUJ5rlLjZ62kOCxW-HYePgg&oe=62552C3C

The MP4/8 suspension

Just gorgeous

I'd love to see how a new Active setup would look

[little basalt]

this is f1

[meager pewter]

'tis

[round swift]

That’s cool and all until you see FW15C’s active suspension

https://preview.redd.it/43c7bzsvxci61.jpg?auto=webp&s=5c289b26358f91481abfd9b30671de63f50a5ac3

Beauty from Williams. One of the best F1 cars ever made

[round swift]

I think the new F1 cars would benefit from active suspension from porpoising

[past drift]

they definitely would

[placid hearth]

1989 Canada had a Williams 1-2 finish and they had 9 points for P1 back then
So Murray something along the lines of said as boutsen got to the last corner of the last lap,
'It's his first win and first time scoring 9 points'

Lol murrayism

[placid hearth]

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1994/36/man-yellow-helmet

[meager pewter]

That's the 14🅱️'s rear suspension but okay, the reason for linking it being that Williams had said at some point McLaren had the better suspension solution

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwwqnlbWIAA0Lg3?format=jpg&name=large

Here we are

[round swift]

No? That’s the FW15C suspension dude. McLaren never had a better suspension. They were always behind. McLaren’s suspension was always lacking and same with there Ford Engines.

Benetton B192

I know the FW15 had active suspension too but I can’t find pictures of it

[round swift]

Wow look at what I found

[oblique dock]

Geez

[meager pewter]

This image is the 14🅱️s rear

[round swift]

The FW15 was actually ready midway through the 1992 season, but the performance of the FW14B was such that it was decided to hold back the FW15 for the start of 1993.

[oblique dock]

Talk about being overpowered

[round swift]

Yeah ikr lmao

“The main difference between the FW14 [used in 1991] and the FW14B was the active suspension.” said Patrick Head.

[round swift]

Miss the old days.......

[slow grail]

too bad the car was shite

also wrong channel

[past drift]

it wasn't that bad, but it wasn't as good as they expected

[slow grail]

fair

[past drift]

unless we're comparing it to the all conquering F2004

[slow grail]

it still won a race

unlike its successor

[past drift]

in which case it was bad, like everything that wasn't one

[south tree]

still, I'm sorry bro

but wrong channel

[round swift]

Bottas holds the record for most non-championships with 10+ podiums in a season with 15 in 2019

[meager pewter]

The Williams FW26 is my fave... Even if it's pace was absolutely down to the P84

Shame the P85 never raced

Cylinder in head? Yes sir

[round swift]

It had a weird nose design I find

[meager pewter]

Yeah Walrus nose is cash

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/ANNFui-7Ib0

[agile bramble]

WTF IS THIS

[oblique dock]

Hesketh

[idle gale]

When a championship contender sacrifices his own championship to help his rival

[low valve]

What happened

[past drift]

Dude on the right got disqualified for something debatable from a race, dude on the left appealed the disqualification of his championship rival and probably friend, dude on the right ended up winning the title

Because his dsq was lifted thanks to the dude on the left

Who never won a title

[south tree]

And the dude in the left is Mr Motor Racing: Stirling Moss

Who was racing for Vanwall

Amd the dude on the right was Mike Hawrton (I don’t know how to type his surname, sorry)

Who was racing for Ferrari

[past drift]

Hawthorne

He also won le Mans in 55 for Jaguar (yes, THAT le Mans)

[south tree]

THAT one

That began a little something

The security on the track

[past drift]

It began the ban of racing in Switzerland

[sour moon]

And Mercedes long break from racing as well iirc

[past drift]

Yeah

[south tree]

Until 1970 when they introduced the 300sel

Then until 80s in group C along Sauber and finally until 1993 in Formula 1

[sour moon]

93?

[south tree]

Mercedes ‘came back’ to formula 1 in 1993 helping Sauber with their team

Then in 1994 Mercedes made the engines to Sauber and one year later they moved to McLaren

[south tree]

That is why in the ‘93 Sauber C12 you can see the Mercedes logo with a text saying: concept by Mercedes-Benz even when the engine was Ilmor’s, not Mercedes’s

I must add I like the livery ngl

[placid hearth]

4 car fight in the 1989 Hungarian grand prix

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/853262503740047401.png?v=1&size=64

Terrible picture but ignore that

[round swift]

Yeah IKRR idk the whole thing looks so aesthetic

That didn't work Michael. You hit the wrong part of him, my friend

[idle gale]

"And you can tell by the body language of the Benetton mechanics that they are AB-SO-LUTELY FURIOUS!!!"

[south tree]

''And what is Deletraz doing?''

[round swift]

“Mansell is furious! Furious! With Nigel Mansell's body language saying a mixture of resignation and fury whilst Senna stalks away.”

https://preview.redd.it/e1w1r6nquke11.png?width=1352&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8983b3f21630b20ec550ff86d40838437079123

[heavy stag]

ah yes forgor abt tht

murray was just a goat

[hardy briar]

Senna would still set fastest lap in that car missing a wheel

[round swift]

Lmao

[idle gale]

That moment when you clip your teammate and he goes backflipping across the line

[idle gale]

"She's the last of the V8s!"

(Until the 2006-2013 seasons, that is)

[short glade]

year?

[past drift]

97

[short glade]

ah

the v8 outlived the v12 lmao

[past drift]

yes it did, but simply because only Ferrari made V12s at the end

this Minardi had a Hart, and Tyrrell had an old Cossie

[short glade]

true

[past drift]

also in 95 and 96, the Cosworth model used by Minardi was called the EDM

[short glade]

was it any good

[past drift]

no

it was the poor teams solution

[short glade]

right

[south tree]

I believe in 1998, Tyrrell or Arrows used V8s aswell

Probably Tyrrell since they were poor and had Ford engines

[past drift]

no in 98 everyone had V10s

Arrows had their own engine, Tyrrell had a V10 Cosworth

the 97 Stweart engine

[meager pewter]

A shame that FIA stopped the return of the V12 in the 2000's

But that noise would've been beyond insane

900Hz+ to the ear ain't the most kind

[woven zinc]

I want some context 👀

[past drift]

pretty sure SkippY meant something else

[slow grail]

rip

tell zed i said sorry lol

[meager pewter]

In 1999, BMW were testing V12 platforms, Ferrari had dual simulation development of the 048 EVO and a V12, and Toyota had announced their entry with a V12

In 2000, FIA banned anything other than 10's

Going into the 2000's engine weight had dropped massively with introductions of Diamon-Like-Carbon, further useage of Titanium and better CNC's so 135kg engines were now 100

So packaging and weight issues weren't as big if V12's were re-introduced

But like... The noise would've been beyond insane

[past drift]

when you hear the last V12, that was 5 years old

[meager pewter]

Even the 412T2 at full tilt at what? 17.6? Sounds even a bit much

[past drift]

imagine how loud it would be with the mid 2000s revs

what do you mean with 17.6?

[meager pewter]

The revs it got up to in Adelaide or whatever

[past drift]

it reached 17,600, the 95 engine?

[meager pewter]

Yeah it was in the 17's

The T1 of 94 was hitting 16's with 500 more cc

[past drift]

do you think the V12 were easier to rev higher than V10s?

[meager pewter]

Yeah, there's smaller unitary displacement first of all

And better balance

[woven zinc]

oh wow, I knew about Toyota but I didn't know that BMW and Ferrari were testing V12's

that would've been interesting if the FIA allowed them

not too #classic-motorsport but the 2004-2005 era cars would've been even more insanely fast most probably

[past drift]

maybe everyone would have switched to V12s

[short glade]

21000rpm v12s when

[meager pewter]

Bruh

That'd be 1,050Hz

[past drift]

is that a simple formula to get that?

[meager pewter]

(Rpm×60)/No.cylinders firing per bank... 0er rpm

So for a V12, 3

WAIT

Other way aroubd

These two

[past drift]

oh ok

forgot what conclusion i had found when trying to mathematically analyze why a V12 sounded better

#classic-motorsport message scroll up from here, if you're interested in this kind of nerdy discussions

[meager pewter]

The Harmonic signature of the V12 is the upper note is 2 Octaves and the
7th semi-tone above the root like... Lower buzz

The V10 is 3+3 iirc and the V8 is 3

Which is why I find flat-plane V8's to soynd well... Flat

Other resonances and such do make different sound envelopes but you'll find that's the main roots of each layout

[meager pewter]

2nd octave above? 3rd?

Ech

I can't remember at 3:40am

[idle gale]

Schumi and Mika before their championship friendly rivalry

[tiny flower]

MORE MIKA AND SCHUMI CONTENT LETS GOOOOOOOO

[hardy briar]

[hardy briar]

[idle gale]

The car that inadvertently discovered and introduced F1 to the Ground Effect concept

"F**k it!"

(Slams visor down)

[covert raven]

you jus gave me my wallpaper mate!

[short glade]

floor go suc suc

[gleaming blade]

I was watching the 1970 season recap and I couldn't help but notice how different Monaco was, it's crazy how people are just walking on the sidewalks as the cars go around the streets with no barriers or anything either. Like did no one think maybe its a bit dangerous to have the cars go by at 100 MPH while standing just feet away? Kind of reminded me of Group B rallying

[idle gale]

And airborne goes Alesi

[hardy briar]

Ah the paradox, who is going the right way?

[late crag]

Everyone

It is a normal day in Monaco

They are simply following traffic rules

[hardy briar]

[analog jasper]

this after the hairpin?

[crimson hearth]

thoughts on this

[past drift]

We'd need other views, but it looks like a decent high nose

[fair ivy]

https://twitter.com/mclarenf1/status/1505838761397080076?s=21

McLaren (@McLarenF1)

Today we remember Ayrton Senna, born #OnThisDay in 1960. 🇧🇷🧡

Never forgotten. #SennaSempre

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