classic-motorsport

[idle gale]

Way before the 2026 Red Bull Ford partnership

[hushed dagger]

No words needed

[half spindle]

3 goats

[idle gale]

When Gilles drove a lap with only 3 wheels on his car

[stark crater]

Anyone remember Prost gp

[half spindle]

Me

[hushed dagger]

Patrick Depailler
Canada

[past drift]

i like how he still drives very fast despite the stupid conditions, not afraid to crash his car and the camera

put a camera on Gilles' Ferrari and you probably get the same result

[terse sparrow]

yo guys im new in this server

[hardy ravine]

coincidentally, this onboard was from the same grand prix where gilles won his first grand prix.

[past drift]

yes, same track, same year

[wary oak]

looks super cold lol

well its usually cold in Canada so makes sense

[hardy ravine]

i just started watching the 1979 season, and ligier are so competitive

front row lockout for laffite and depailler

and grand slam for laffite

in the first race, argentina

[past drift]

if only

[paper fossil]

It is like the only effective ground effect car earlier in the year

So yeah makes sense

Everyone else just copies the Lotus 79

Which although class of the field in 78 is actually a compromised car

[past drift]

compromised how?

[uncut magnet]

There was a Group 1 spec Chevrolet Camaro fitted with a 350ci V8 engine. What model of engine did it use? http://www.touringcarracing.net/Pages/1975 Cars.html https://historicdb.fia.com/car/chevrolet-camaro-350 http://tech-racingcars.wikidot.com/chevrolet-camaro-mk-ii

[hardy ravine]

in 1980 iirc they finished second in the championship

[hardy ravine]

i mean, they dominated.
only negative is lotus' infamous reliability

[past drift]

because Brabham relied on only 1 driver, otherwise it was them

the Ligier generated too much downforce which broke the rims, the suspensions..

[hardy ravine]

take off some downforce then?

first time hearing this

oh wait 1969 high wing era

[past drift]

yeah but that was because the mounting points on the suspension were too fragile then

[paper fossil]

It isn’t a full ground effect car

It is still an almost wings car

Or I should say it wasn’t fully developed

Think the bigger issue is that the tub wasn’t stiff enough

[hardy ravine]

lotus 78 or 79?

[paper fossil]

Both

[hardy ravine]

by the time chapman tried to improve they banned skirts

[paper fossil]

The 80 went further

But had other issues

[hardy ravine]

81 we all know...

[paper fossil]

As usual when Lotus has to compete with others on the same technical ideas

[hardy ravine]

the double chassis

[paper fossil]

They basically latch onto previously undeveloped ideas first to get an advantage but then never keep it up

Also a lot of them weren’t even Chapmans

[hardy ravine]

they never won two consecutive seasons, come to think of it

[paper fossil]

I think the closest they got was with Clark

62-65 should have potentially all been Clark championships

[hardy ravine]

64 was hill's in my opinion

but clark was one lap away from the championship

what happened in 62?

[past drift]

oil leak with 10 laps to go while in the lead

genuine Lotus moment

[hardy ravine]

64 was also reliability with 2 laps to go...

hill was so consistent that year that a second place doesn't count towards the championship?

clark only finishes 4 races?

that lotus 25 needed some refining

[paper fossil]

Well yes

I think 64 may feature the best fight for the championship of all time by just ability of the drivers

[hardy ravine]

and in 1963 clark's first place doesn't count towards the championship...

[past drift]

if a car doesn’t fall apart right after the checkered flag, then it’s too heavy!!
Colin Chapman or sth

[desert plover]

Senna showed up late to the 1993 San Marino GP because McLaren didn't have the money to pay him on time

[distant garnet]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DN88F2RjzYu/?igsh=MTdqNzhtMjlqdTV0dQ==

[distant garnet]

Technically, RedBull Ford actually existed since they did use Cosworth power at the start

[zinc bridge]

What is aerodynamicss can you give full information pleaseeeeee

[hardy ravine]

#f1-technical

[buoyant cave]

senna with a bird

[hushed dagger]

Carlos Reutemann Enzo Ferrari & Gilles Villeneuve

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z31Nw7M-wJQ

[idle gale]

"Let Michael pass for the championship"

[hardy ravine]

i finished watching 1979

[past drift]

so, how did you enjoy it

[tribal silo]

It was a great season

[hushed dagger]

Wolfgang Von Trips

[hushed dagger]

Villeneuve robbed

[past drift]

he was not consistent enough

[tribal silo]

He wasn't, he made too many mistakes. Jody deserved it and Gilles understood

[hardy ravine]

learnt a lot

great season as well

i can imagine the storylines written back then

[past drift]

and to think Ferrari had to wait 1999 and 2000 to get more titles

wild

[hardy ravine]

first ligier dominance, then gilles winning two races, then a turbo winning, and then williams dominating

wild

scheckter didn't win the most races, but was the most consistent

and why did depailler go hang-gliding?

[tribal silo]

Ferrari's wasn't the bets car, the Transverse gearbox wasn't adequate to the new ground effect cars and it led to the disastrous 1980 season. Williams became the best as soon as they solved some tweaks with the ground effect of their car, while Ligier couldn't keep developing the car at the same pace as the remaining teams and lost their edge. Depailler's crash also didn't help because Laffite wasn't properly a good development driver.

[hardy ravine]

They got Ickx

i mean, he had a lot of experience

and i know that ligier are going to win two races next year

i mean 1980

[tribal silo]

Ickx was a bit of imposed by Gitanes, who wanted a French speaking driver on the team, but he wasn't motivated anymore and hated ground effect single seaters, so he was never giving 100%´

[hardy ravine]

jarier and?

[paper fossil]

Geoff Lees

[past drift]

an earlier Laffite-Jabouille combination could have been the trick

unless it also leads to Ducarouge leaving the team

[tribal silo]

Probably, as Jbaouille was a renowned technician and wanted to have his say on the team

[paper fossil]

Showed the possibilities with him when he started designing the cars…

[past drift]

you’re talking bout the 1982 model?

[desert plover]

Massa during the 2002 Italian GP

Felipe Massa became the first driver to wear the HANS device during a Formula One race!

and also the first ever driver to receive a 10-place grid penalty for causing a collision...

[hardy ravine]

but he didn't serve it...

clever trick by sauber

[hardy ravine]

and i didn't know that

[hardy ravine]

but they did win the constructors' in 1982 and 83

[past drift]

in normal circumstances they also clinched the driver's title in 82

you know, when both drivers can compete in all of the season rather than 0

[tribal silo]

But Jabouille was a great technician, just not easy to work with. And oit could have helped Ligier a llot if he raced for them in 1981 and 1982 as expected, without the injuries

[paper fossil]

i mean he was great technically as a driver

but his three major involvements post driving for ligier/peugeot were all disasters that were at least partly of his making

[tribal silo]

Yes, even if Peugeot was a success in WSC in 1991-1993

But he was a kinda complciated as a team manager

[hardy ravine]

i think he left because he, as a backmarker, held up the leaders

[tribal silo]

At Ligier he was injured after the 1980 Canadian GP crash, he didn't start the seaosn because he was in pain and out of shape, and when made his comeback, he couldn't be comeptitive anymore, so he left mid-season to become technical director

[hardy ravine]

yeah i know he was injured

[hardy ravine]

ok this is one of the other jean-pierres, beltoise or jarier

[past drift]

that would be Jarier

[tribal silo]

Jarier replaced Jbaouille on the first races, then he was signed by osella

That scene with the backmarkers was in 1983, the Ligier was good but underpowered due to the Cosworth DFV, nad Jarier became one of the hardest drivers to lap by

[hardy ravine]

one of the worst rules were drivers having to fight past lapped traffic

[tribal silo]

But I believe it's fair that way like in indyCars, now if you're fighting for the points and are being lapped you have to slow down and compromise your pace

Blue flags should only be used when there is obstruction

[past drift]

there was no blue flags yet, you might think it's bad that was how it was

if you're that much faster you should clean lapped traffic easily

[hardy ravine]

ruined two of senna's races

1988 italy

[tribal silo]

Yes, but not the way they do it now

[hardy ravine]

1990 brazil

[past drift]

luckily some drivers used their mirrors and knew if that was a lapped car or not

[tribal silo]

He ruined himself in both

[past drift]

he did it to himself

brazil 1990 i don't remember

[hardy ravine]

yeah senna was impatient

[past drift]

sadly for him

[hardy ravine]

i have seen some drivers getting out of the way but not all

[tribal silo]

In Monza in 1988 Schelesser went out of the way, but Senna tried an impossible overtake; the smae with Nakajima in Brazil in 1990, even if there Nakajima could do a little better

[hardy ravine]

i mean there was a straight coming up

and senna had the power advantage

easy overtake

[tribal silo]

Yes, sire, he decided to force on the chicane, Schlesser could go nowhere

[hardy ravine]

i mean nakajima

[hardy ravine]

he tried to overtake nakajima and lost his front wing

[tribal silo]

Yes, he also forced a bit, also Nakajim wasn't properly running slow

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwH5y2g6oug it's so slippery

[idle gale]

The prototype 4WD F1 car by Cosworth. Only used for testing and experimenting and never officially raced

[tribal silo]

Trevor Taylor was the test driver for the project.

[paper fossil]

Pretty sure Costin went out in it as well

[past drift]

justice for him ✊

[tribal silo]

He was driving on F5000 abnd doing sports car races after his F1 stint with Lotus and BRP

[past drift]

he should have gotten more, he had such a stellar start in f1

[tribal silo]

Yeah

and Peter Arundell too

[past drift]

true, him as well

it’s bizarre what happened to Lotus second drivers

on first glance they seem bad compared to like Clark or Fittipaldi

but then you notice they were properly good then got into an accident and never recovered

[tribal silo]

Who wwas involved? Only know about Arundell

[past drift]

I was thinking of Trevor Taylor

[tribal silo]

I don't recall any serious crash of him

[past drift]

yeah im quite confused, but it seems like his crash with Willy Mairesse at the belgium gp changed him?

from that point on he was nowhere

[tribal silo]

ahhhh yes, I was forgetting that

[hardy ravine]

now the only season of the 1970s i'm yet to watch is 1972.

[past drift]

its about as meh as 71 tbf

[hardy ravine]

the funny part about 1971 is that how other teams keep thinking that tyrrell is illegal but it's not

[past drift]

ah? because of the airbox?

[hardy ravine]

that the tyrrell was the only competitve dfv in the beginning of the season mixing it with the 12-cylinders

[past drift]

fair

[past drift]

hot

[hushed dagger]

My favourite F1 non champion Elio De Angelis ✨

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nct8VU_G8GA

[desert plover]

The 1993 World Champion Alain Prost lapped Estoril in a time of 1m23.40s. This was largely a shakedown run and so the lap times may not be indicative of the performance of the car, but they were a long way from the pace of 1m21.50s set last week by Jacques Villeneuve in an old Williams-Renault FW17

[past drift]

when the first driver to shakedown your car is your luxury test driver and not your contracted full time drivers

[woven zinc]

yeah bc Coulthard was their new signing while Hakkinen was still recovering from this near-fatal crash at Adelaide

[desert plover]

or its because Prost was just a better driver to get knowledge from the car based off his past experience

Glad Prost didn't join the team and instead Coulthard did. Prost was to old to compete plus the McLaren wasn't succesful that year

[past drift]

yeah he was 41 then, with the fast technological progress it would have been too hard

plus he was probably not interested in driving f1 anymore, he didn’t enjoy his 93 season all tbat much because of the media

[paper fossil]

Unless it was a winning car then he wasn’t interested

His lack of commitment to 1994 shows this

Tested the MP4-9 once at Estoril and decided nah

Of course there was the whole Frank stating he couldn’t drive in 94 because he was paid out but I’m sure they’d have just got around that if he really wanted to race

[past drift]

he should have known the problem with the /9 was the Peugeot engine!!

rather than signing with them for 98 😭 😭

[hardy ravine]

would bave only ruined his legacy

[hardy ravine]

they gave it for free initially right?

[past drift]

that was the initial plan, but they walked back at the last moment

[tight pasture]

mercedes logo?

[past drift]

1996 car

[desert plover]

crazy how the 1988 cars got so much smaller

[hardy ravine]

these look pretty small to me

[woven zinc]

probably the most cursed combination of livery and car ever

[young surge]

why does it looked like a toothpaste color 💀

[woven zinc]

tbf those are still the colors of the original livery that it's based off, the 1999 Focus's Martini livery

the blue and red are just swapped around

but yeah now that you mention that it does kinda look like toothpaste 😂

this is that same livery but on the 1999/2000 model Focus from the year before

[young surge]

ah i see lol 😂

[past drift]

whats ur fave lancia livery

alitalia, martini, marlboro, sth else?

[woven zinc]

if you're asking me, Martini easily

2nd best for me is the Repsol one they had in 93-94

I'm biased towards Repsol liveries

[past drift]

ah didnt know there was a repsol lancia livery

[woven zinc]

yea there was, seems like only Sainz ran it and it was after Lancia pulled out their manufacturer involvement

[distant garnet]

The most interesting WRC car

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0aSLo2Dcg

[hushed dagger]

Lotus 107B

[foggy merlin]

The most interesting WRC Is Petter Solberg

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2syb2tkbmZxaG42bXRrcWp6NGNubGlzdWYxM2FobTF2aXdtNzI3YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Hl9RLDCQEwVHVOUubI/giphy.gif

https://tenor.com/view/rally-gif-22075157

[modest elm]

https://x.com/cheesy_poofs/status/1972026141134541182

Michel 🏁 (@cheesy_poofs)

Sad to hear Enzo Osella has passed away.

@UnracedF1
@KrisVanD2

X · Sep 27, 2025, 7:50 PM

[distant garnet]

https://x.com/F1_Archived/status/1971331865467551893?t=5wq_TdK72hy2-D6m7mGPEg&s=19

F1Archived (@F1_Archived)

The very odd-looking 1983 Spirit Honda 201C, recognizable for its peculiar aero, it turned many heads during the German and Dutch GPs

X · Sep 25, 2025, 9:51 PM

[past drift]

the oddest bit about it os the colour, just plain white

this is better

[loud coral]

Found a video that shows the 1956 Le Mans circuit, to think it’s changed that much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpRFagIbcPE

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrDaHDyviE

[warped cobalt]

the jordan 191 in the toothpaste livery really was a sore sight

[hushed dagger]

On this day in 1966, Jim Clark won the Waltkin Glens GP while lapping everyone else
A normal day at the office

[young surge]

+51 Laps is crazy

[past drift]

rare instance of the BRM H-16 not blowing up

[granite ore]

Ehh, I’ve seen guys finish 128 laps down before

[desert plover]

still has the record for most grand slams

which is starts from pole position, sets the fastest lap of the race, leads every lap of the race, and wins the race

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC2__lXAtqc

[teal girder]

Fun fact: In 2020, Lewis Hamilton was able to tie the number of World Championships with Michael Schumacher. Who has also won 7 times as a World Champion

[hushed dagger]

In 72 race starts as well

[hardy ravine]

how was he classified

[hardy ravine]

where?

[hardy ravine]

ironically for a car with so many sponsors lotus was struggling to stay afloat

[granite ore]

NASCAR

Ovals make for far higher lap counts

[desert plover]

untrue, monaco had more laps than Indianapolis in F1 during the 2005 season

[granite ore]

That’s because they ran a road course at Indy

They didn’t use the true oval

Just look at NASCAR oval lap counts

[desert plover]

I assume Indycar uses less laps than NASCAR because of how much faster they go

[granite ore]

Sometimes yes, other times no

Usually yes

[livid flint]

messi or ronaldo

[stiff zealot]

Famous Motorsport drivers them

[abstract finch]

digibom eh ehh

group 5 went hard in the 80s

there’s something about these cars that are just somewhat amazing

digibom 2

can’t forget this style of card

besides F1, stock cars, and Indy, these cars had such an iconic style imo

[abstract finch]

this photo goes hard

[solemn pier]

the great touring car legend Allan Moffat behind the wheel

[paper ember]

/START

[hardy ravine]

<@&781898349006684170> scam

i am going to be the sixth person here to mention the arrows a2

[desert plover]

what about the A7

It has a big bump

even the A10 look at the roll bar headrest

[hardy ravine]

the steering wheel in the 1989 arrows looks cool as well

[past drift]

ah?

[desert plover]

Almost like the Ferrari

[hardy ravine]

1989 ferrari?

is the red upshift and yellow downshift?

[distant garnet]

Looks more like the 412t1 or t2

[hardy ravine]

oh ok yeah it has the paddles

[distant garnet]

Also, the 1989 Ferrari was the first car with the paddles

Though actually back in 1979, Ferrari actually tested a electro-magnetic paddle shifting gearbox in the 312T with Gilles
@hardy ravine

[hardy ravine]

but they used buttons initally

[hardy ravine]

what happened?

[distant garnet]

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/magazine/articles/great-ferrari-innovations-the-f1-semi-automatic-gearbox

[distant garnet]

None other than Gilles Villeneuve then proceeded to test it at Ferrari’s Fiorano test track, where he apparently completed 100 laps without a hitch. There was only one problem: he didn’t like it. “Despite this successful outcome,” Forghieri opined, “he was not convinced. Gilles said to me, ‘A steel shift lever will always be more reliable than electronics.’ The project was temporarily set aside. Mr Ferrari always accepted requests from Gilles.”

[hardy ravine]

what if

[brisk briar]

Found this at The Bend Muesum

[past drift]

nice Dallara

[brisk briar]

^_^

[hardy ravine]

oh yeah that's the scuderia italia

[hardy ravine]

i asked my nine-year-old sister what the full form of fia meant, and she said "ferrari internal assistance"

she doesn't even know about the ferrari international aid which was going around in the 2000s

i found it very funny

[solemn notch]

[hardy ravine]

the 1972 eifelland march, with one rear mirror centrally mounted

[paper fossil]

horrendous

[tall oar]

Jesus Christ 😭

[analog jasper]

beautiful

[waxen anvil]

✋🗿🤚

[graceful fossil]

ugliest race car

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVBZsIA1PU

[desert plover]

Thank you Senna

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[distant garnet]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DN8y_OPjFB7/?igsh=dWxjZmx6cnh5aGxi

[fleet wigeon]

I mean like who came up with this idea to have rear mirror mounted

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILl9wbb1_vg

[robust bough]

Yeshua On Top 1

XD

[idle gale]

The Number 11 Honda RA272. Scoring it's first win at Mexico in 1965

[wary oak]

Was it made of magnesium or aluminum?

[past drift]

alu

[idle gale]

Ah, 2005. The year Ferrari got nerfed in that era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG0L0MElRSw

[hardy ravine]

the magnesium car did only one race, the 1968 french gp

because magnesium is a totally safe material

[past drift]

so safe Surtees refused to drive it, and the only driver who did drive died when the car caught fire on lap 2

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMlrOxYBK1A

[lunar silo]

jan magnussen only scored 1 point

[past drift]

same as logan sargeant

[hardy ravine]

but sargeant never finished in the points, got bumped up because of dsqs

[distant garnet]

That Stewart was cooked anyway

[hardy ravine]

unreliability

[hushed dagger]

What a picture

[half spindle]

2006 / 2007

[reef fable]

choke

https://youtu.be/0Si5njM3yHI?si=xqR--vbBjlqUEKt8&t=2613

[idle gale]

Another case of a modern driver in a classic car.

Yuki in the Honda RA272

[round swift]

Which lotus do yall like more

[desert plover]

https://tenor.com/view/senna-lotus-gif-27563686

[solid yoke]

top 10 schumacher moveset

[solid yoke]

I like the john player special more tbh

[half spindle]

number 1. crashing into his closest rival to the title

[round swift]

I think most people feel the same way

There are days when I do like the 99t more but the 97t is perfection

[paper fossil]

Tobacco sponsors at Lotus imo always rank this way:

1. Golden Leaf
2. Camel
3. JPS
4. Imperial (Japanese GP 1977)

[past drift]

you prefer camel over jps? that’s a take

[paper fossil]

yes

[hardy ravine]

any day jps

[round swift]

Gold leaf is nice

[round swift]

Ligier JS39

[desert plover]

Verstappen 1995

[hardy ravine]

the low nose looks so weird on the 1994 and 95 cars (except the williams)

1971 US GP

that's one way to be greeted after your first win...

[past drift]

they did that a lot back then

think they had just stopped having someone waving the national flag to signal the race start

in the middle of the track..

[hardy ravine]

yeah i think around that time...

but when i saw this clip for the first time i thought he jumped over cevert

[distant garnet]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DQSpZHUjis9/?igsh=MWxlaWFieDM1dW01dw==

[hardy ravine]

<@&781898349006684170>

[woven zinc]

banned thanks

[idle gale]

Ah yes, the Forti FG01. Known for it's rather predictable lack of performance but also it is the last F1 car with an H Pattern Manual gearbox

[wary oak]

All of that to only lose the race to Schumacher haha

[round swift]

Great picture

[idle gale]

The March 87P, technically the first Leyton House car

Which was basically just a modified Formula 3000 chassis with an F1 spec engine bolted to the back

[sudden granite]

Prost or Senna?

[past drift]

.truth

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[past drift]

then made a great car for their first attempt, achieving 3 podiums

[sudden granite]

Maldonado or Stroll?

[sudden granite]

Who's crashing first?

[desert plover]

https://tenor.com/view/lance-stroll-stroll-goat-f1-formula-1-gif-1208257018024832184

this F1 car is as bad as Stroll

[half spindle]

why leyton house has such a nice livery

[hearty oyster]

idk i fw this leyton house livery a lot

[idle gale]

Aside from having a reputation of crashing quite a lot, Andrea De Cesaris also had the reputation of being quite the fast driver behind the wheel

In Spa 1991, he was quick enough to close in on Ayrton Senna and could've scored his own Nico Hulkenberg style podium finish and even a win. That was until his engine failed with just 3 laps to go

[paper fossil]

always quick

blew the doors off a bruno giacomelli who had just comfortably beaten 78 champion andretti the previous year

[hardy ravine]

he got a lot of podiums, but not a win

[hardy ravine]

i think there are blueprints of that car in a website called marchives

[past drift]

that Tyrrell slapped ngl

[tidal walrus]

maldonado would be faster but then find a way to hit the wall

he was more crash prone

than stroll is

stroll only has 1 dnf this year from usgp sprint, not even an actual race

[sudden granite]

Old Stroll

[idle gale]

Honestly, I feel like Leyton House and Ivan Capelli could've won the 1988 Japanese Grand Prix. If it wasn't for the engine conking out laps later, which Ivan stated, according to Adrian Newey's book, that he might have accidentally pressed the engine cut off switch instead of the anti roll bar switch (I think it was the anti roll bar switch that he was intending to use)

[hardy ravine]

1990 french grand prix was more likely

[idle gale]

It's crazy that Graham Hill never scored a British GP win while Damon did get a home race victory, he couldn't score any Monaco GP wins

[hardy ravine]

Mr. Monaco's son

[round swift]

Rothmans livery looks good on anything

Martini racing as well

[past drift]

even on a Tyrrell

[idle gale]

Yeah, if you know your history, particularly with Adrian Newey, you would know how similar in design the Williams FW14 is to the Leyton House 901

[round swift]

@urban timber

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JPaisgIZM

[idle gale]

The 917s under FIA inspection, with the inspectors somehow failing to notice that some of the 917s had truck axles as stand ins

[tight pasture]

really?i thought they were transaxles

[winged gull]

<@&781898349006684170>

[dense gyro]

cool image from Audis website

[tribal silo]

Yeah, Auto Union is definitively back

[karmic meteor]

alien newey designing a car on mars: so it should definetly have an antenna, that'll make it go faster

[thin sierra]

The Ferrari 250 GTO is a legendary grand tourer produced by Ferrari from 1962 to 1964, built to be a competitive race car for the FIA's Group 3 Grand Touring Car category. It is powered by a front-mounted Tipo 168/62 Colombo V12 engine, which gave it impressive speed and handling. The name "250 GTO" stands for "250 cubic centimeters per cylinder

[robust relic]

Real racing 3 2020 season 🇲🇨

On mobil

[brisk zenith]

this is the f1 equivalent of throwing ink in the drivers face

[hardy ravine]

the MP4/4 is in RR3?

[wary oak]

John Watson trying out the Jordan "911" in November 1990

[gilded prawn]

Yeah, the game has a few pre-2019 cars. Off the top of my head it’s got the Ferrari 375 F1, Ferrari 412 T2, Ferrari F14, Lotus Type125 (if you would count that) and the McLaren MP4/4 of course. I would love to see more but it’s better than nothing.

[spare carbon]

Who is Ayrton Senna?
Wrong answers only

[eternal reef]

truck driver

[half spindle]

0 time world champion who raced from 2025-2042 and is Peruvian

[frozen schooner]

a homeless man living in the suburbs of los angeles who decided to take on racing so he could pay his debt

[hasty dove]

A formula e driver raced in 1783 to 3959

[karmic meteor]

the fia [was] run by morons, what do you mean they had no catch fences on the right side and people casually sticking their hands on the live side of the barrier (detroit 1984)

[past drift]

its in the days of group B, before they figured safety should be improved for everyone

back then, broken cars were left where they were

[hardy ravine]

you go ten years ago there is literally a person chilling in the side of the track with no barriers.

[paper fossil]

Cars were still left just outside barriers only 15-20 years ago

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d5xk0jz7o

[robust relic]

Yes

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDinKJr6eII have some v12

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zADf-4s1Ni8

[past drift]

😔

[idle gale]

The TF103, nicknamed the "Japanese Ferrari" or the "Ferrari with a Toyota engine" due to it resembling the Ferrari F2002

[idle gale]

More rare footage of Coloni testing the Subaru Flat 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiaC-leN1Os

[hardy ravine]

i just finished the 1981 season

and i'm going to start 1982...

[past drift]

tragic

[past drift]

you probably like Gt40s

[idle gale]

The photo taken by Darren Heath that essentially gave away initial suspicions that McLaren was using their second brake pedal before it was discovered

[past drift]

ah yes, glowing rear brake disks but not fronts

[undone phoenix]

supercars driver

[dusky ledge]

🙂

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVf-q3t0AMQ

[desert plover]

He spun on lap 58

[idle gale]

There was a time where Australian V8 Supercars driver James Courtney was destined to be part of the F1 grid. That was until his testing accident at Monza in 2002

[desert plover]

Michael Schumacher pulled him out of the car

[idle gale]

One of those rare instances of using the Pedal Cam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWn7R-WIOuo

[desert plover]

damn they were still manual and not semi automatic

[normal rampart]

Anyone fw mark blundell

[idle gale]

The Jordan 191 without the 7Up livery

[warm basin]

some classic f1s during brands hatch festival italia

all taken by me ofc

[past drift]

nice pics! which car did you prefer of them?

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqVSOUcZ6-g

[tribal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Y4iUX1VpM

[hollow quail]

The Ferrari killer

[past drift]

took them 3 years to beat Ferrari

[drowsy wigeon]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/1998848363861618853

Heinz Harald Frentzen (@frentzen_hh)

For technical freaks!
︀︀The front steering Tie Rod End was designed to be on the middle of the upright. Big mistake because when the car starts rolling into the corner it get under tension and it prevents against rolling. Meaning it works like a progressive stiffening anti rollbar the more roll/higher cornering is happening. Resulting high steering forces and huge under steering

Quoting F1PIX (@F1PIX10)
︀
Frentzen Qualifying GP Italy 2001
︀︀
︀︀Prost - ( Ferrari) #F1 @frentzen_hh

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[hardy ravine]

that prost was awful, no power steering as well

what's your favourite lotus driver of all time (the original lotus team that lasted till 1994)?

mine is ronnie peterson

[past drift]

did many cars had power steering back then

[tidal walrus]

uhh

nigel mansell frfr

[desert plover]

Pretty sure they had power steering in early 1990s

[hardy ravine]

it's 2001 so

[hardy ravine]

we're taking about this post

[idle gale]

The seconds after Dick Johnson hit the infamous rock

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGWGSflj7S8

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeRhqrcza2Q

[novel viper]

,

[harsh storm]

.

[finite forge]

Early 2000s V10 recreation

More like a Ferrari or Renault?

makes sense, i referenced the 2002 onboard

or maybe f2004

[desert plover]

2006 Renault

[finite forge]

I hear that too

[weary iris]

D M s Open

[hallow tinsel]

2005 renault ?

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkuzRi_FnI

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[past drift]

disagree however you want @rose radish , the command is called truth for a reason

[rose radish]

it isnt the truth this time

I wont even get into the argument because i dont want to win an easy one

[past drift]

very brave

[desert plover]

elaborate to me why, I am very curious

[stone lagoon]

Who allowed this droid to have opinions

[hardy ravine]

prost scored more points than senna in their time as teammates

even 1988 prost got more points than senna

racecraft > "raw pace"

[edgy aspen]

And Senna won more races, both 88 and 89, way more pole positions. His performances at Monaco, in the rain, show he was more than "raw pace". They were both excellent, legendary drivers, who is best is down to preferences and what you choose to use as metrics

[hardy ravine]

senna was more up and down and prost was more consistent. that led to prost having to drop a lot of points in 1988, leading him to lose this championship

[past drift]

he was a bit too ahead of his time, with the championship not rewarding every finish yet

in 88 Senna beat him cause he was a bit more consistent than in 89, where he either won or DNFed

Prost did the "to finish first, first you must finish"

[hardy ravine]

2 years later all scores counted

[past drift]

2 years too late LOL

but it's fine, he's the first driver to score 100+ pts in a season

[hardy ravine]

yeah

and even if senna's win in suzuka 89 stood it wouldn't matter because he dnf'd in adelaide

[edgy aspen]

none of this makes one better than the other. they were pretty evenly matched. They would both be worthy champions in both 88 and 89

[past drift]

not satisfying outcome for a fandom!!

[edgy aspen]

fans are notoriously too biased to answer questions like that

i'm just glad we had a chance to witness them in equal machines, fighting point per point, turn per turn

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vlpNHutor0

[half spindle]

Stop fighting abt Senna & Prost i just wanna see old cars go brrrrr

[hardy ravine]

there's not enough onboards, i love the dfv

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAPCxxXke4

[desert plover]

🐐

[tribal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL20Ll_YKfA

[hardy ravine]

i think most people remember shadow for one particular incident, even though they won a race

[hardy ravine]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kJLAHum6-eQ

This car is certainly a handful to drive. Absolute nightmare. Comparable to the F14-T

Understeers and oversteers at the same time...

[idle gale]

To be fair, I think most 1998 cars had trouble when they switched to the grooved tyres and reduced aero

Plus the fact that the Williams FW20 was the first Williams that didn't include any Adrian Newey influenced designs

[final fossil]

random and very low quality screnshot of Michele Alboreto getting past Mansell is Sainte Devote

[hardy ravine]

yeah grooved tyres too

[idle gale]

Mark Blundell definitely had quite the battle controlling the R90CK at Le Mans 1990, due to the wastegate getting jammed shut during qualifying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWcJoxqWkLE

[quasi galleon]

They still look modern nearly 30 years later

They’re the first modern-looking F1 cars imo

Imo the 1992-1994 Williams and 2004-2008 cars look the best

[woven zinc]

same but replace the 92-94 Williamses with the 1997/8-2003 era cars

[past drift]

the peak of car design is 67, with the Lotus 49 🔥

[harsh storm]

Tbh Lotus 72 Cooked with the JPS livery ngl

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K40ED-67fI0

[hollow elm]

https://tenor.com/view/brb-my-shows-on-funny-animals-pugs-dogs-watching-my-stories-gif-11529075

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak9-yvsCPCY

[desert plover]

its crazy how good some seasons he can have and then have terrible ones right after

[past drift]

he had good qualis fhat year, but the car was unreliable and too heavy overall

and he decided to leave just as they released the 49 with the DFV

[hardy ravine]

1979?

[past drift]

that’s what i assumed! he got a good 78 season

[hardy ravine]

won in sweden also

[past drift]

sweden and italy

both wins in special circumstances

[desert plover]

Happy birthday Michael!

[hardy ravine]

#KeepFightingMichael

[desert plover]

Nicola Larini and Michael Schumacher react to the news that Ayrton Senna is in critical condition

[hardy ravine]

<@&781898349006684170>

[obsidian tendon]

ah theyd been muted but i guess we missed the message in this channel, thanks for letting us know

[past drift]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DQC9IFSEo_f/

[desert plover]

Jim Clark 1966 POV

[visual hill]

Hey

[obsidian tendon]

… hello?

[past drift]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DRM0u4ikafD/

[half spindle]

Guys while searching in some old toys I found this car. It looks like Colin McRae's Subaru Impreza (but thought first that it was a NASCAR car). It has the number 5, in the rear wing says "Rally Touring" and has 555 sponsor but censored. I don't know where Motul comes from since I searched pictures and there's no Motul sponsor. It came with a pink and a green van (since all of them have the same size).

[half spindle]

Yes

[hardy ravine]

so that's what you get when you unzip the other side

[idle gale]

The race where Ralf was flying

Literally

[half spindle]

They put cameras in Riccardo Patrese's Williams FW13 during the 1989 F1 Preseason testing, the angles are really nice, never saw them before (specially I like #5, it gives sense of speed)

The best engine sound in a F1 car (in my opinion)

Not counting V10s from late 90s-early 00s

[hardy ravine]

yeah it does sound nice

the renault

[past drift]

second to last angle is noce as well

[fleet wigeon]

Welcome to Williams Airlines

[idle gale]

The only time the Mastercard Lolas attempted to race

[true remnant]

i never knew the livery was that fire

[idle gale]

Too bad the car and engine wasn't all up to spec

[hardy ravine]

but rhey did not qualify

[past drift]

they were woefully off the pace

[past drift]

@young wigeon sup

[obsidian tendon]

nice

[hardy ravine]

shadow?

I'm currently seeing the 1984 season, and I saw Piercarlo Ghinzani's crash in Kyalami. The Osella looks absolutely destroyed. How did he survive that?

[past drift]

underrated team

[hardy ravine]

won a race but remembered for something else…

[past drift]

losing their star driver that could have won said race?

[pastel osprey]

Yeah

[desert plover]

Nelson Piquet's head got crushed

[hardy ravine]

which race?

looks like 89

[past drift]

Australia

Piquet pursued Martini down Brabham Straight and veered to the right when he spotted Ghinzani, too late, through a wall of water. The Lotus collided with the Osella, whose right rear wheel grazed the head of the Brazilian driver. Piquet spun while Ghinzani was propelled against the outside wall. Both cars came to a stop in the run-off area. Piquet was uninjured, but Ghinzani was left his car limping on his left foot.

[strange berry]

Need friends guys

[sterile pewter]

Hi

How are youuuu

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqEeEXXLF54

[mortal saddle]

Old F1 was so much more swaggy. I feel like all the cars loom the same now. But everything felt experimental and new.

[past drift]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DRmW_AalW_s/

[oak ferry]

And yet we still see people who say that the halo isn't important.

[hardy ravine]

sometimes i wonder why it wasn't introduced earlier

[tepid stump]

Btw I’m sorry I am doing this but does anyone want to buy a second hand wheel cause I’m selling mine becuase I moved from Xbox to PC this it the link https://ebay.us/m/FOEiz7

[oak ferry]

Many tests, it was requested two decades ago (2003)

[desert plover]

That was the HANS device

Halo tests didn’t start until 2016

[oak ferry]

Ah, right, sorry for the misinformation.

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuTx3BXvDE4

[hardy ravine]

that's what i thought hans was introduced in 2003

[lilac schooner]

On this day 50 years ago: The iconic 1976 Formula 1 season that inspired ‘Rush’ begins https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/on-this-day-50-years-ago-the-iconic-1976-formula-1-season-that-inspired-rush.Otn39lw7ILaJlV0jR0KOo

[main surge]

This supposed to be motorsport

[wooden sand]

probably a scam account

[main surge]

Yeah

I reported

[half spindle]

When I see new messages here but its another scam bot

[hard granite]

I got my dads old f1 cards and I was wondering if anyone knows what the possible value of these cards are. not that im planning on selling just curious

Ive tried searching online but ive seen next to nothing about them

[idle gale]

The British Duo of Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins

[past drift]

that picture is so aggressively british lmao

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF0kBdzyvA0

[desert plover]

https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/misc-cards/1994-futera-adelaide-f1-grand-prix-victory-lane/AYRTON SENNA/2634036

Id say a few hundred if graded, Senna probably worth more than Bergers

looks like adelaide

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZOQfclY0qw

[past drift]

its quite annoying they then cooked a nice V10 engine, but canned it before it was put in an F1 car

but then they uncanned it, made it more sensible, and put it in the Carrera GT

[paper fossil]

terrible engine

that said the 1991 footwork was as much of a problem

their average deficit to the fastest car even from france onwards barely improved if at all

[hardy ravine]

I'm watching the 1984 season right now and what annoys me is how long it took them to realise the drivers' legs aren't protected enough

Pironi, Brundle, Cecotto

Peterson died due to the same reason also

[paper fossil]

perhaps

matter of debate whether you consider that is what ultimately killed peterson

the hospital, doctors and attempted surgery have all been criticised by the people who were there

for sure even if ronnie had lived he'd have found it hard to race again let alone be even back to his best

[desert plover]

I’m pretty sure it was 1988 when they started requiring the front axle to be in front of the driver's feet for safety.

Jacques Laffite's crash at the 1986 british GP is an example of why that made that requirement

I mean just look at this, literally your legs are the crumple zone

[fickle dagger]

Anyone know if this is real 😁

[past drift]

looks legit

~98 or 99

[hardy ravine]

but still many people had leg injuries and i'm not even done with my 80s f1 races

pironi, brundle, cecotto

[tight pasture]

bmw sauber?

[edgy aspen]

1998 or 1999 Sauber-Petronas (Ferrari)

[idle gale]

The crashes that happened just 24 hours of each other on the same bit of the track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPNF5unbx6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqPFGlaEs4

[paper fossil]

Arriving in Milan, Brambilla is immediately placed in an artificial coma. He suffers from a severe concussion and his days are in danger, even if his condition is stable. Peterson is immediately X-rayed: twenty-seven fractures are detected, including eight in the right leg and four in the right foot which is almost crushed. But the main concern is the blood circulation in the legs. The Swedish driver risks amputation. However, an immediate operation is not clearly necessary, and Ronnie could be transported to Sweden or Switzerland, a country with eminent surgeons in this field. But the Milanese doctors decide to operate in the evening. Staffan Svenby, the driver's manager, agrees. Ronnie Peterson does too. He is surrounded by Colin Chapman, Mario Andretti and his friend Reine Wisell. The intervention begins around 9 p.m. and Professor Sid Watkins attends. It lasts two and a half hours and runs smoothly. The vital signs are correct and the patient is transfused. He is then transferred to intensive care where he finds Vittorio Brambilla.

At 11 p.m. the doctors hold a press conference. If they refuse to comment on Brambilla's condition, they say that Peterson's life is not in danger and that he will even be able to walk again "in two to three months".

Unfortunately, according to many specialists, Italian surgeons operated in a hurry. So early intervention creates risks of embolism. This occurs during the night while Ronnie, on sedatives, did not wake up. A fat embolism suns him. His lungs and kidneys are affected. It is placed under artificial respiration. Doctors are now struggling to maintain their oxygen levels in the blood. But they quickly discover irreversible brain damage. His condition is desperate. Informed first of the seriousness of the situation, Emerson Fittipaldi warns Chapman and Andretti that their friend is dying. At 9:11 a.m., the death of Bengt Ronald Peterson was officially pronounced.

To illustrate my point

[silent obsidian]

Can anyone name some F1 cars that could be considered the fastest of their year but didn't win the championship? The only one that springs to mind for me is the McLaren MP4-20 from 2005. Any ideas?

[past drift]

fw16, lotus 78 in 1977

[idle gale]

Williams from 2002 to the end of 2003. They had the most powerful engine on the grid but was severely let down by its aerodynamics and its subpar chassis

[paper fossil]

FW14

[paper fossil]

good shout on the last btw

[paper fossil]

FW11, Ferrari 248, F2008, RB5, W12, F399, MP4/15

Ferrari 375 (1951)

Lotus 25 (1962 and 1964)

VW 5 Vanwall (1958)

happened a lot more than you tihnk

most of those are based on super lap times

based on that i'd say the 65 P261 BRM too but that is mostly because Clark isn't at Monaco

i could go on

Ferrari with a multitude of cars in both 66 and 68

Lotus with their first iteration of the 49 in 1967

when it has the new Cosworth DFV

JS11 in 1979 is a shout

As is the JS11/15 tbf

That just has a thing with its ground effect that destroys the wheel rims and also affects handling and balance

[past drift]

i cri everitiem

they really did like Ferrari in 2022

hey they'll finally win a title

[silent obsidian]

I also saw some mentions of the 2007 McLaren or the 2009 red bull

@paper fossil I feel like the SF71H deserves a mention. I think that was the closest ferrari got to toppling merc back then

Could be some recency bias on my end too but I think we could add the MCL38 too. They won the wcc but im convinced they could've won the wdc that year too

[paper fossil]

i mentioned the latter already

[silent obsidian]

Yea I saw right after I sent lol

[paper fossil]

MP4/22 wasn't faster than the F2007

was as good as the ferrari though

[silent obsidian]

But the ferrari just had quicker lap times then?

I definitely wanna make a case for the 126C2 as well. Another wcc winner that totally should've won the wdc too

Ferrari just had a god awful 82

[past drift]

definitely

they just had the unfortunate luck of losing both the drivers that started the season

[silent obsidian]

Small case for the Ferrari 412 T2 as well i think, certainly wasn't the best aero wise but the V12 from 1995 certainly made up for it in power. Even The Michael tested it and claimed he could've won thr championship in that car

[hexed loom]

yoo guys

who wanna follow my carreer in f1 creator series ?

[dusky zenith]

y'all see the vision??

[hardy ravine]

we could say the 49 in 1967 as well but it was introduced only in the dutch grand prix

[past drift]

no no you're right

[silent obsidian]

Agreed. Some people could argue against it given the success of the 49B and 49C but I've always counted B variants as separate cars

[past drift]

they are separate cars

[desert plover]

Williams FW17

Damon Hill and David Coulthard made too many errors

Id also say RE30B, they got 10 poles out of 16 races, but DNFed cause of reliability of their turbos and engines

[silent obsidian]

I remember watching through the 82 season not too long ago and keeping track of how many times a renault got pole and then dnf-ed

[silent obsidian]

Not just Hill and DC but the whole team was on the backfoot in 95 some of their pit stops and strategy calls were rough

[desert plover]

This is why Hill was fired from Williams because of that season

[fathom dust]

I really that race 😮

[silent obsidian]

But still won the championship in 96

[desert plover]

Yeah still got laid off

then williams fell off after 1997

[silent obsidian]

Troof

[idle gale]

I just love to appreciate Fernando's aggressive understeer driving style he had in the early 2000s, most especially 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3LrEOjmf40

[hardy ravine]

i did that like one month ago, watched the 82 season

84 brabham also

nelson piquet got nine vespas

but so many dnfs

[past drift]

yeah his 84 season is wild

so many poles and just 2 wins. took him like 6 races to finish one

[silent obsidian]

Man that year was brutal. Renaults were blowing up within 5 laps, the brabham was pretty much a test mule for the bmw engine and ferrari lost both their stars

11 different race winners in 1 season too

[desert plover]

1982 monaco last few laps were funny

[hardy ravine]

yeah

yeah

absolutely

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z3L5k61pns

[idle gale]

I'm wondering if there were more cars where its performance shocked its own team like how the F2004 did with Ferrari

[desert plover]

Probably the FW14B or the Brawn GP car

[restive rock]

I read in Watching the Wheels how much it shocked Damon

[foggy fjord]

Who remembers the Mercedes W8

Hamilton still set Lap record at SPA

[half spindle]

Easily top 3 of my favorite Jordans with the first one being the 191 and the second one the EJ13

[past drift]

that March is so goofy. but then it was just to find some sponsors iirc

[timber warren]

really like these handpainted numbers on the 1922 Targa Florio

[desert plover]

The Fan Car

[half spindle]

Just some months and it will be 30 years since F1 Digital+ first transmission (1996 British Grand Prix)

[desert plover]

1996 German Grand Prix you mean

[half spindle]

Im sincerely not sure since there is a video on YouTube by a channel named "mclauren" that is the 1996 British Grand Prix with other angles and claims to be the first F1 Digital first transmission

(Not grandstand angles btw)

[desert plover]

1997 British Grand Prix

[half spindle]

But there was a race in 96

[desert plover]

Yeah but F1 Digital launched just before the German Grand Prix

Can you send the video here so I can watch it please

[half spindle]

I only can send a ss

[desert plover]

Ah it was a Test broadcast. The first actual broadcast was at the following race in Germany

[half spindle]

Oh ok

[idle gale]

Michael on two wheels. Not the first time, if you know what I mean

[hardy ravine]

adelaide 1994?

but one of the people who used to kerb hop a lot

but if berger went near one of these he would be snapping his suspension in half

[past drift]

kerbs were so high in the 70s lol

[desert plover]

true

[timber warren]

isnt this the turbine car

[past drift]

looks to be

[hardy ravine]

yeah

[timber warren]

nice

what a weird piece of engineering

[hardy ravine]

didn't work out though

[timber warren]

at least it was unique

gotta love innovation

[hardy ravine]

yeah

[heady urchin]

Can someone help with identifying what race is this?

10.05.2024 Monaco

[past drift]

the Monaco Historic Grand Prix?

[desert plover]

1983 monaco GP

[past drift]

that Williams is the 1983 model yes

that won the Monaco GP what year

[hardy ravine]

because of the right strategy calls

keke was flying

[rare loom]

Imagine Ayrton won the world championship in 1989… Alain Post and Senna were so close

[past drift]

what would it change

[prime wren]

Thats the 49 right

[past drift]

no

56B

[desert plover]

1971 Monza GP

Was where that pic was taken

[desert plover]

yknow whats suprising, is that every race that they finished, Senna was always ahead of Prost at the end when they both finished (aside from Brasil)

Senna had way more DNFs that season, whereas Prost took it easier

[rare loom]

Frr

[past drift]

im not surprised, Prost used his brain and won the title in a more favourable season

it should have served him as well in 88, as he scored more points overall, but 11 best results you know the drill

[quasi galleon]

“Out, oh my goodness, this is fantastic”

[quasi galleon]

“This is what they were fearing might happen during the race, that means to say that Prost has won the world championship”

[paper fossil]

Prost wasn't that good in 1989

it is probably his second weakest season of his career after 1982

where Arnoux was surprisingly a match for him

88 is the one he should have probably won

[past drift]

how? because he didn't win that many races?

[desert plover]

I wish Prost knew to do this sooner in his F1 career (1984)

[paper fossil]

^

[past drift]

83 as well tbf

[paper fossil]

plus too many mistakes

[past drift]

82 they had the garbage reliability of the electronics

[paper fossil]

89 he is genuinely no match for senna for most of the season

but senna is a higher bar than arnoux

[past drift]

heh

[paper fossil]

i say this as the most diehard prost loyalist

[past drift]

nah you're right in races he was outpaced by Senna

wasnt the case in 88

well, not all the time at least

[desert plover]

He also seemed to out qualify and beat Senna in the race at the French Grand Prix's

[paper fossil]

prost is just goated at paul ricard

[past drift]

genuinely

he won there 4 times

+1 win at Dijon

it took Senna so many seasons to win a race in Brazil

he really was propelled by his home crowd

[desert plover]

Prost still holds the record for most wins at Brasil

[paper fossil]

breakdown of 1982 qualifying

with all the issues filtered out

in arnoux's favour by 0.064%

the only thing i'd argue is that prost has a injury post monaco on his foot that he doesn't recover from until germany

from germany onwards he stabilises his advantage

[desert plover]

What about races?

[paper fossil]

yes well

[desert plover]

I know Prost wasn't a real good qualifier like he was in races

[paper fossil]

will get to that eventually

[paper fossil]

i mean

he wasn't as good a qualifier as senna

but he comprehensively beat most of all his other teammates in qualifying

[desert plover]

Im saying he made positions in races, he had like 33 poles and 51 wins comapred to sennas 65 poles and 41 wins

[paper fossil]

and after being teammates with lauda chose to prioritise setting up a car for races

but to say he isn't a real good qualifier is wrong

perhaps he was a better racer yes

[desert plover]

He def got better after the 1984 season

[paper fossil]

often wondered about that

i'm not so sure

his qualifying advantages over lauda in both 84-85 are similar

[past drift]

Poor Damon

[desert plover]

lauda just had a terrible 1985 season

[paper fossil]

lauda probably does a better job in races to prost in 1985 but because there is more competitive teams and he is wrong side of luck he doesn't achieve as good results

in 84 the mclaren is so far ahead of the field thanks to fuel economy

[desert plover]

Haha, 1986 German Grand Prix, both McLarens run out of fuel on the penultimate lap

[paper fossil]

yes two years later

when the amount of fuel available to the turbos has decreased

in 1984 the tag porsches best advantage is fuel economy

[past drift]

that's the thing, the TAG Porsche seems to have stagnated in terms of performance

[desert plover]

Yup 220L to 195L

[paper fossil]

they can run a great level of boost while being more economical than other manufacturers

[past drift]

thats why they ditched it for the Honder

did Porsche genuinely develop the engine or not?

[paper fossil]

lauda and prost had an easier time in 1984 that is for sure

[past drift]

i've seen they've brought some updates to power and stuff

[paper fossil]

i think it says a great deal a driver of the level of alboreto could challenge prost for a championship

no disrespect but he isn't amazing

[past drift]

wow

[paper fossil]

i like michele

[past drift]

well, in 85 he was the only competition for the title to Prost

[paper fossil]

but his teammate comparisons say everything

[past drift]

true, he got "humiliated" by Berger and had to leave

some say the end of 85 just broke him and he never recovered. maybe he really was just too fragile psychologically to win a title

cause he did amazing stuff at Tyrrell given the material at hand

[paper fossil]

i mean there is also his 86 against johnasson

[past drift]

yeah 86 for Ferrari was bad

and Johansson was admittedly better

[paper fossil]

don't get me wrong stefan is just driving about to get results from attrition he isn't great just more competent than usual

but alboretos average gap in qualifying is quite low

when we are considering the driver johansson is

[past drift]

do you think they should have picked someone else to replace Rosberg in 87?

[paper fossil]

berger

is ferrari hadn't offered him a deal

[desert plover]

"At the Italian Grand Prix, Michele Alboreto missed Friday’s sessions following a rumored shower fall or motorbike accident. His teammate, Stefan Johansson, filled in during morning practice and was stunned to find Alboreto's qualifying car significantly more powerful than his own."

[past drift]

good shout

although im quite surprised with how quick his stock rose tbh

[paper fossil]

i often question the logic of johansson over palmer

probably just because he was at ferrari

and a podium finisher

[past drift]

Palmer was test driver at McLaren?

[paper fossil]

palmer compared better against alboreto eventually but that was 2 years away

the best choice would have been berger but it wasn't in their hands

keke always intended to retire

[past drift]

i know the british casters in Hunt and Walker were praising Palmer a lot

probably more Walker than Hunt

[paper fossil]

he merely moved to mclaren to get experience from a businessman like dennis before his new career

[past drift]

shmort

[paper fossil]

thereby sacrificing a chance in the fw11

[past drift]

if his mind was already out of F1..

[paper fossil]

yes

[past drift]

he had Nico to think about as well

[paper fossil]

the danger

elios death just made it more real

[past drift]

oh yeah true

such a wack accident that

[paper fossil]

that said the alboreto from 87 to 88 is different

his fall off vs berger is dramatic

so perhaps it wouldn't have made much difference

however i tend to think there is no way palmer could have been as far off peak alboreto as johansson was

[past drift]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/p/DVIzyZWiLS0/

[hardy ravine]

in my watching of the 1985 season, found one more. senna just hit that curb.

i think i got some spoilers in the above messages

[desert plover]

Same with mika hakkinen at the 1995 australian gp

and 1993

[restive rock]

I thought those were the same crash

[paper fossil]

I don’t think the latter was a crash

[thorny crystal]

unintentional aura

[quasi galleon]

I kinda like 90's F1

Sure not as fast but the cars were more fun and sounded more violent

Anything until 2013 really

[past drift]

F1 also had its era of Group B like levels of power absurdness

[quasi galleon]

Ngl the 80's turbo era was insane but nothing beats the 1995-2005 V10 era

[past drift]

in terms of what

[quasi galleon]

Racing and excitement

And sound

[past drift]

https://youtu.be/uupZsfs_8s0?t=148 dont sleep on that turbo sound

[quasi galleon]

V10's were much louder and sounded way better than the 80's turbos

Sounded more like F1 cars

V12's were also insane cos of their sound despite them being less powerful than the V10's

[quasi galleon]

Like the MP4/6 and 412T of the early 90's

https://youtu.be/Z_DvFYGiVF0?si=_g4SCccsvi5mtMs4

And also Senna's technique was just mind-blowing

Most people don't understand that Senna did his signature throttle technique for traction and maintaining speed in corners rather than to spool up the turbos

[past drift]

412T2 sound 🤤

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKw7K3d1o7Q

[past drift]

im not sure they were less powerful, but they were heavier and thirstier

and at some point it doesn't add up

[quasi galleon]

Cos Senna drove more naturally aspirated cars than turbo in his career

[past drift]

it was still probably very convenient for turbos

[desert plover]

yup it helped maintain boost pressure

[past drift]

mustve been hella useful for his first season with the Hart

[desert plover]

Yup, he frequently asked his engineers if it was acceptable to
free-wheel with the clutch depressed in slow corners and hairpins

Also the engine had a unique monoblock design which helped it boost higher and to prevent the head gasket from blowing under extreme boost pressures

[distant garnet]

In his F1 career or overall?

Cause accounting full seasons, he drove five turbocharged cars and then five non-aspirated cars

[desert plover]

Yeah 80 turbo and 81 naturally aspirated races

His Junior career used NA engines too I believe

[quasi galleon]

Nah he drove 4 turbocharged cars and 6 naturally aspirated cars in his career

Wasn’t that Toleman naturally aspirated or smth?

Ahh nvm it’s turbo

Just read

[quasi galleon]

I thought it had the cosworth dfv instead of a 4 cylinder turbo

[quasi galleon]

Btw what years would be classic F1?

Cos I consider pre hybrid era as classic F1

[past drift]

to me, classic F1 is before 2000

[tardy phoenix]

classic for me is below 2010

[desert plover]

I guess after ten years it would be considered classic for me

[paper fossil]

15-20 years ago i suppose

[thorny crystal]

Was indy a good track when it was on the calendar

[thorny crystal]

Pre 2012

Imo

[distant garnet]

Same metric as with music, games, or movies

20 yrs ago is already retro or classic

[idle gale]

I guess this channel's description needs to be updated to include anything in 2006 then

Such as the start of the V8 era of F1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmeWXvPO3BY

Well, except for one team in 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XptHQ-3SHfo

[quasi galleon]

Nah up to 2013

Pre 2014 is considered classic for me

Before hybrid engines

[past drift]

correct, updated

last year with the Michael in red in this channel

[quasi galleon]

Nah correct it up to 2010 cos last year without drs

[river cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvIB1_gG67w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhiSgpxcocg

Found some stuff from Fuji while looking for other stuff

[unborn swan]

https://youtube.com/shorts/86k4XZFZxEk?si=2gMo5e3ycbKYALo3

probably the loudest Ferrari 2000’s car era I ever heard

[quasi galleon]

ngl out of the v10's the cosworths were the best sounding imo

they had that shrill scream

[idle gale]

I reckon Cosworth was one of the few engine suppliers to have their V8s rev up to 19k RPM at the start of the V8 era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5Vm6FV1vU

[distant garnet]

Higher
https://youtu.be/Rdfd3VBlaE8

https://youtu.be/8uRvqPZcq_I

[desert plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cI_MVIelos&themeRefresh=1

[idle gale]

The Super Aguri SA05 and SA06. Which were essentially just modified chassis from the 2002 Arrows

[past drift]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DVWOGhuDA5y/ sweet dfv symphony

[quasi galleon]

Nah they went to over 20k

20 years since the last 20k rpm engines

[quasi galleon]

Nah that’s prob at 16k rpm

The 3.5L V10’s could only go to like 15k max I think

[quasi galleon]

Also that might be a 3.0 V10

1995 or 1996 I think

[desert plover]

its from b195 in 1995

[idle gale]

It must have been weird to hear two cars still having the V10 engines in the 2006, albeit rev restricted, when all the other cars had unrestricted V8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19hiMQm1LB0

[half spindle]

It sounds like a 1998 Tyrrell

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5FoVLBdndo

[oak ferry]

SuperLeague Formula

I thought it was cool.

It's a shame he died in 2012.

[distant garnet]

https://youtu.be/GW58uFyW4W0

[bleak apex]

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6VgRFN26L8

[austere mesa]

2001 minardi technically tarso marques beat Fernando Alonso in equal machinery

[desert plover]

Michael Andretti and Mika Häkkinen unveiled the MP4/8 in 1993. At first, the lineup did not include Ayrton Senna, who was hesitant to commit because he wanted a race-by-race contract while questioning whether Ford’s engine could match Renault’s power. Senna ultimately secured the race seat, which pushed Häkkinen into a test-driver role. Later in the season, Häkkinen returned to racing by replacing Andretti for the final rounds.

[harsh smelt]

.

[austere mesa]

Murray walker

[desert plover]

Hello

and I've got to stop, because I've got a lump in my throat.

[austere mesa]

Thanks Murray walker

[desert plover]

No problem Wolffe

[austere mesa]

Thank you sir

For some of the greatest commentary the sport has to offer

[hardy ravine]

60 kg overweight is crazy

[rare loom]

Last time an Italian won a GP was in 2006, Fisichella won it in the Renault, And history has repeated again as Kimi Antonelli wins the Chinese Grand Prix

[austere mesa]

Thanks

[ocean siren]

[restive rock]

That long my word

I was at a cabin resort watching that grand Prix

[mental bobcat]

I didn’t know that McLaren Airlines exist

[verbal thorn]

jesus pre 90s f1 cars used to be outrageously wide

[half spindle]

I dont find this one on video. Does it even exist on video?

[hardy ravine]

that ended badly

[desert plover]

yup

[thorny crystal]

Williams' downfall needs to be studied

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNPITa9ZnA

[desert plover]

Williams went from 123 points in 1997 to 38 points in 1998 lol

[sleek ravine]

Who else here misses group b?

[past drift]

you mean deaths by the buckets? no thank you

[desert plover]

Is there a reason that rally cars use space frame chassis and not a monocoque? Is it because of weight reasons? I dont really see a reason why they cannot use a carbon fibre monocoque

[sleek ravine]

Boy group b rally was peak

[fierce cipher]

Did you know you can see the Malaysian f1 circuit from their airport?

[hardy ravine]

a red williams looks so weird to me

[woven zinc]

their Winfield liveries were pretty decent tbh

though yeah their 98 livery looked a little too much like a Ferrari

[desert plover]

Which william livery do you prefer? I kinda like the Canon one more than the Rothmans

[tame current]

Canon 100%

[past drift]

my first exposure to F1 was through a snes game with big Nige, so Canon it is