classic-motorsport

[paper fossil]

The are many layers

Bernie I think in reality was having to hide his true intentions within FOCA

he and Balestre were like fine and Bernie basically got control of Formula One by 1981 anyway

The people Bernie sided with within FOCA were key individuals Bernie would later pick apart anyway

He certainly was like fine with clauses added to drivers super licenses

As were most of the teams I imagine

[past drift]

as in, Frank Williams and Ken Tyrrell?

[unreal cargo]

7

[unreal cargo]

J

[past drift]

126CK?

[desert plover]

yes

[idle gale]

And here I thought Yuji Ide was extremely bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqvGau6yhUI&ab_channel=AidanMillward

Not the V12s but the Flat 12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsKt6FvHymI&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[jolly nexus]

Had two classics at British Motor Museum in gaydon

[paper fossil]

March 701 and Jaguar R1

[hardy ravine]

his crash in spa 2001 is really horrific. it's scary. the scenes of eddie irvine helping the marshals...

[past drift]

sadly, crashes at spa are always horrific

https://youtu.be/sbTrNKBAfI8 remember that one?

[desert plover]

even Stefan Bellof's crash at Spa too in 1985

[past drift]

true, but sadly he isn't still around to talk about it, unlike Comas who was just forced not to race by Sid Watkins as a precaution, but he was around the next race

[fleet wigeon]

Brabham

[tight pasture]

is that Lamborghini GT behind the Jaguar f1…?

[jolly nexus]

Possibly

[paper fossil]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/lost-apolitical-f1-star-story-erik-comas-senna-mansell/

Was a good driver Comas

[naive solar]

.sessions

[south tree]

March 751, ‘75 British Grand Prix

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/qOTMPUNj7PA?feature=shared

[desert plover]

The Fittipaldi F8, designed by Harvey Postlethwaite and Adrian Newey.

[fleet wigeon]

Christian fittipaldi adelaide 1994 onboard

[mighty ginkgo]

ive never seen an adelaide onboard it looks crazy scary ngl

[oblique dock]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nxDqikS-_A0&pp=ygUbc2VubmEgb25ib2FyZCBhZGVsYWlkZSAxOTkx I don’t think it’s scary at all

[paper fossil]

god that looks like hard work

[oblique dock]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HASQ4QoMVw&pp=ygUURjEgYWRlbGFpZGUgb25ib2FyZCA%3D

Cheever’s last grand prix

[dire marlin]

yo so any idea why f1tv's archive is so....recent? How come they don't have broadcasts from the 70s?

[elfin siren]

They don't

But there is a Broadcast Archive of 1981 Caesar's Palace Grand Prix

[mighty ginkgo]

i think back then the amount of tv footage still available today was a lot less consistent

[dire marlin]

yes, that's why i'm asking why not

[dire marlin]

so it's a content availability issue or a quality issue? like, you can find bootleg whole races online fairly easily from the 70s

[mighty ginkgo]

i have no idea but i think they need it to be pretty official to put it on f1 tv

[paper fossil]

Because prior to 1981 all of the international feeds belonged to the associated broadcasters

And in any case the available broadcasts would be sparing in quantity but also quality

What is way more frustrating is they have stopped doing anything for 1-2 years since they added Europe 2003

[hardy ravine]

mika hakkinen in 1995

[hardy ravine]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mVGgu_HA9y8

[desert plover]

new f1 trailer dropped, looks like sonny hayes drove for lotus back in the 1990s

it kinda looked like the Lotus 102

or the Lotus 101

[past drift]

looks like the 102 with that very bevelled thing just in front of the steering wheel

this is the 101

102

[desert plover]

True it has to be the 102

since it takes place in the 1990s and the 101 is from 1989

Has to be the 102 from 1990, because the 1991 version was white or green I believe

[oblique dock]

Yeah. White and green

[paper fossil]

From what I can remember Camel stopped sponsorship in the wake of poor performances in recent seasons and Lotus being mired in controversy such as its finance director being arrested

which is actually ideal because Fred Bushell was about to get a multi million dollar sponsorship deal with Coca Cola and BP from 1990-1994

RJ Renyolds ended up getting Warr to resign and this killed Lotus financially in the years up until its demise along with Ted Ball defrauding Brabham and them

[hardy ravine]

i was going to say 1989 or 1990

[paper fossil]

It is the 102 the cockpit sides are higher

Because Warwick and Donnelly were bigger than Piquet and Nakajima

[desert plover]

I wonder if brad pitts character takes donnellys place after his terrible accident at jerez

or maybe its brad pitts character that crashes and has to retire

[distant garnet]

100% sure it'll be that

[storm remnant]

Man look at those names in 2006

[narrow lily]

Legends

[river cave]

So I kind of forgot to take many photos and videos of this year's grand prix because it was wet and I was distracted

Instead I found my dad's photo album, which included his photos he took from qualifying at Adelaide in 1991

[past drift]

ohh sweet

[round swift]

What do you guys think of Jody

The South African world champion

[past drift]

he looks like a chill bloke. plenty fast but the 1980 car was just too bad to do anything

[round swift]

He was in the podium for a bit over 1/3rd of his races

[paper fossil]

When you turn up in F1 against two of the best drivers in the world (Denny Hulme & Peter Revson), and are immediately on the pace, it is evident that your level of talent is ridiculous. In his first race in the main McLaren team, he dominated, leading the first forty laps before Emerson Fittipaldi took him out in an audacious overtake attempt.

Once he joined Tyrrell, Scheckter became one of the earliest examples of a driver who would prioritise intelligence and consistency over outright pace, and it is often forgotten that he took the 1974 championship down to the wire in his first full F1 season, with brake failure in Canada and a fuel failure in the USA denying him what would frankly have been a deserved title in a car he did not particularly like. A less successful 1975 was followed by another 3rd in the standings in 1976 in the 6-wheel Tyrrell, a car he hated. A move to Wolf for 1977 resulted in an incredible win on debut and second place in the championship, beating Hunt and Andretti in their far more established teams.

1979 was a perfectly executed season that saw Scheckter match Gilles Villeneuve for outright speed, despite driving within himself whilst Gilles pushed flat out; in 1980, it became very clear early on that Scheckter was not prepared to try as he had before after deciding to retire, resulting in one of the worst title defences of all time.

Whilst many drivers have a preference for a car’s handling, Scheckter did not. He was one of the earliest drivers to have no particular driving style, simply adapting to drive the car the way it needed to be driven to go quickly. He admits himself that he was not the best at providing technical feedback as a result, however, this never hindered him during his career.

One myth that must be dispelled is that Villeneuve let him win the Italian Grand Prix of 1979. First of all, in qualifying, Villeneuve spent the whole session trying to set the fastest time possible, using up set after set of qualifying tyres. Scheckter spent the time engineering the car to make it best in race trim, then went out on the hard race tyres and bested Villeneuve’s time, despite not using qualifying tyres. In the race, the Ferraris were going flat-out, pushed by Jacques Laffite, once Laffite dropped out, Scheckter cut the revs back and Villeneuve did the same; but Gilles had not been quicker than Jody when both were going flat out.

[round swift]

Bruh

[glossy wolf]

Ch1 season 1

[shell swift]

I had F1 2004 for PS1 and to this day know all those names by heart just from playing. When I see clips of an old race from that era it's right in my wheelhouse even though I didn't watch many races.

I also love hearing "Jarno Trulli" in a British accent. It doesn't hit the same in my own accent (American).

[pseudo remnant]

I always wanted to drive this 1936 Alfa Romeo, but it was reused in the 1950 F1.

[river cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZC0icwIqw

"The best looking car on the street"
Proceeds to showcase the Ferrari F310

[hardy ravine]

no way...
not the armchair headrest car...

[woven zinc]

might wanna post these in #f1-games

appreciate the respect for the F1 World Grand Prix games though

[scarlet pewter]

Ima forward it there

[woven zinc]

alright cool

[paper fossil]

https://x.com/noblef1/status/1901923547829633039?s=46

Jon Noble (@NobleF1) on X

Retro advertising at the Shanghai track. #F1

X · Mar 18, 2025, 9:08 AM

Surtees TS19 if anyone is wondering

best place of 4th in that hellstorm Japanese GP on the old Fuji layout

I think I better remember beyond the British GP TV boycott that Jones and John Surtees couldn't get on and Alan lamenting at the idea of continuing in F1 meant he had to race for him so he would rather just stop altogether if he could

"...The two most difficult men I’ve ever driven for have been ex-World Champions. At the end of the first year of my two-year contract I said to myself, 'If the only way I can do F1 is with Surtees, I’m not doing it.'"

[past drift]

the other being Graham Hill i assume?

[paper fossil]

yes

[rain urchin]

I hope we go back to the V10s

[hardy ravine]

the car that got f1 off tv

[hardy ravine]

embassy-hill racing?

by the way, who do you think is a better car designer? colin chapman or adrian newey?

i personally think it's chapman

he had a bigger impact

[paper fossil]

design wise for a whole field and continually doing that?

has to be newey

chapman had a neat hand in some innovations but plenty of ones that others would go on to do better

the March 881 I think did so much for Formula One

compare that to the previous seasons Coppuck car and it is a night and day difference and then a lot of the front running teams would go on to match the design of that 88 March car

[past drift]

it looks very modern and sleek

compared to the bulky cars across the grid, bar the mp4/4 and the fw12

and in the end, with the same engine they beat said Williams

[hardy ravine]

yeah they were 5th in the championship

that 88 march was a really nice car

[hardy ravine]

it was a throwaway car for williams

they just took on whatever engine they could get

and focussed on the next year

[past drift]

https://www.instagramez.com/p/DHWAeRnIu6g/ i really dig the proportions of the Ferrari, it’s so compact

[past drift]

yeah true, they knew they wouldn’t do a lot without a works engine deal. and they did an awful lot with that Renault deal they signed!

[hardy ravine]

they could make the car thinner because of the semi-automatic gearbox

[past drift]

yeah but like, that doesn’t automatically mean the sidepods could go that much forwards

[rain urchin]

rip Eddie Jordan

[south tree]

Thanks for everything Eddie.

May you rest easy

[hybrid mango]

RIP Eddie 💚

[hardy ravine]

they have more leeway because the cockpit is thinner?

[lethal nimbus]

https://youtu.be/mP8aQ7B-07M

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/rZe4zHE9Jjk?feature=shared

[hardy ravine]

this made michael schumacher angry and he bought out ralf schumacher from jordan

[hardy ravine]

really interesting race

all jordan wins are interesting

[lethal nimbus]

https://youtu.be/lO8YsPKtG-w

[past drift]

.bussin

[north sand]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321396119542300673/1037831288029188116/unknown.png

[gilded aspen]

[river cave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/pLFuMtsBij

[past drift]

noic

i dont even know if something cool happened at Spa 97

[woven zinc]

Schumi's wet-weather drive was certainly one

really cool photos though

[paper fossil]

McLaren racing with a clear rule breaking fuel irregularity

the SC start which was so not needed

unlike the following year

so bizarre Alesi and Villeneuve of the front runners picked wet tyres on what was a clearly drying circuit

ideal they used to pack on the hillside outside pouhon corner

unless they still do and i've never noticed it

beyond the cars to me at least these shots could look like anything from the 1980s or 1990s

[cold axle]

Someone should defo buy me a year of f1 pro/premium 🙏

[cursive oracle]

[round swift]

This is a bit random but I always wonder just where the hell Eddie Irvine went

Like he’s completely inactive on his socials, he’s not made any appearances, I haven’t seen any articles really talking about him

Irvine

The fuck did you do

[mighty ginkgo]

apparently ferrari got a super massive lead at the start

[paper fossil]

Make a bank

Then disappear

Seems fair to me

I think he’s gone from what you say in the latter to just not existing tbh

Rather than that

[past drift]

what about that county?

ok 😄

heard about that recently, i watched a documentary about Saint Patrick

[gleaming tundra]

.w

[hardy ravine]

oh yeah the lead he pulled in the beginning

[desert plover]

When people think of Schumacher's wet-weather driving I always think of 1993 Donnington, 1996 Monaco, 1994 japan, 1998 spa, 2003 brazil, whereas for Senna, I can only name 1989 Australian where he crashed during the rain

[paper fossil]

1992 spain was pretty hopeless from him

guy got outclassed by alesi in the f92a

michael was the best driver on the grid in the wet weather from 1996 spain to end of his first career

[desert plover]

same with 1991 Spain too I guess

[paper fossil]

wasn't wet

far as i can remember

it was in the wet senna spun off in 92

[desert plover]

thought the last few laps were started to rain'

[paper fossil]

might have been drizzle

[desert plover]

was overcast it says online

[paper fossil]

but i remember that being a mostly dry drace

[desert plover]

Looks a bit damp on the sides

but after senna passed, the only real person in the wet was schumacher

maybe damon a close second with his 1994 japan and 1998 Belgian

[paper fossil]

hmm

idk about that

[desert plover]

I can't even recall more multiple rain winners from 1994 to 2006

Rubens? Kimi?

[paper fossil]

if you mean wet affected

then hill won like 4

[desert plover]

Ya I knew hill was a good wet weather driver

[rain urchin]

get a job lol

[past drift]

it's quite funny that the only F1 race Colin Chapman took part in, he outqualified his eventual WDC teammate Mike Hawthorn

(France 1956)

[hardy ravine]

1996 spain?

[hardy ravine]

i didn't know he even took part in a race

[paper fossil]

same grand prix he made the decision to quit driving

because he happened to crash into said teammate

and didn't start the race

[hardy ravine]

is it a non-championship race? or even before championship

[paper fossil]

it was part of the world championship

french gp at reims

[hardy ravine]

which year?

[paper fossil]

^

[hardy ravine]

how did i not see that?

sorry

[hardy ravine]

i'm too young

[cold axle]

I'm too young 😔😔

[desert plover]

Ya crazy he managed to pull that off and just the week before he crashed off at the rained Monaco track on the first lap

[paper fossil]

1978 German Grand Prix

[past drift]

damn one word throws back in time more than the rest

West German Grand Prix

unless they meant the cigarettes!!

[hardy ravine]

which book?

if it was 1977 german grand prix, i remember it only for hans heyer

[paper fossil]

The Viking Drivers

Covers Ronnie Peterson and Gunnar Nilsson’s careers in Formula 1

[round swift]

Hi

[sharp maple]

Would james hunt have done lean?

[sharp maple]

No?

[desert plover]

I just realized how many F1 teams used Ford engines in 1978

My god

[river cave]

Theodore is a Hong Kong team?

Based

[past drift]

yes

[mighty ginkgo]

bring back pre qualifying fr

[thorny wraith]

F2004 drawing

[hardy ravine]

ok we need 10 more teams for that

and pre-qualifying wasn't there in 1978

[paper fossil]

There was for circuits like Monte Carlo and Long Beach

So a 30+ car grid could be whittled down to about 23-24 for main qualifying. 20 was the most that could start a Grand Prix at Monaco back then, so people failed to qualify even from the real sessions.

[past drift]

i would love it if we needed Pre quali sessions tbh

means F1 has so many teams

[ionic eagle]

anyone know which car this is? I was lucky enough to see it last year at Silverstone as well as other amazing cars I saw and heard of course, I can send those also

[crimson saddle]

maybe it's an arrows from the early 80s

[molten salmon]

Most teams other than Ferrari from 1960s-mid1980s used cosworth

[round swift]

I present to you the Tyrrell that never competed with that livery in 1990

[round swift]

Arrows A4-Ford - Designer:Dave Wass
Drivers :
Mauro Baldi,
Brian Henton and
Marc Surer

The one that was at Silverstone was number 29, but there are also some more with different numbers.

[mighty ginkgo]

just let all the cars race ngl would be funny

[hardy ravine]

34 people started the 1953 german grand prix

[distant garnet]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHsuR_-tfEt/?igsh=QkFLYUxiUzY5OA%3D%3D

mercedesamgf1

The return of @mercedesbenz 🙏

On this day in 1994, Mercedes began its current journey in @f1 as an engine supplier at the Brazilian Grand Prix with Sauber.

Then, as in now, the engine was designed and built by the team at Mercedes-AMG High Performance Powertrains in Brixworth 🖤

At the wheel? Two drivers from the marque’s junior progr...

Likes

1952

Instagram

[past drift]

thought they came back in 1991 with Leyton House through Ilmor

maybe they hadn't bought Ilmor then

[ionic eagle]

@crimson saddle @round swift Thanks guys, you have good F1 knowledge

[paper fossil]

they didn't have any share in Ilmor until 1993

just before the 1993 season of Formula 1 finished with Sauber having run Ilmor engines

that came from a share General Motors had originally shared with Penske when they were building the engines for ICWS

Mercedes increased the share later on until it bought the whole of the motorsport wing of the company in 2005

[past drift]

oh only that late, ok

and was Ilmor based im Brixworth or wherever Mercedes builds the engines nowadays

[distant garnet]

Ilmor was in Brixworth

Till Mercedes got to own Ilmor buying more stakes and renamed it into the Mercedes High Performance Engines Ltd.

[desert plover]

makes sense, ford engines are in third place for most engine manufacturer wins

[round swift]

Is Finland the best per capita f1 nation

[mighty ginkgo]

monaco

2nd is either finland or uk im guessing

nevermind im quite sure finland is second, followed by new zealand for wins/capita

[round swift]

Why Monaco

[mighty ginkgo]

cuz it has 40k people and 8 wins

[round swift]

Ok that’s impressive

But all wins are leclec

[past drift]

would probably be Liechtenstein, depending on what we're looking for

they had one f1 driver, Rikky von Opel (same family as the car brand)

[mighty ginkgo]

cuz it has 40k people and 8 wins

[hardy ravine]

they had a very long streak of continuous wins sometime during the 60s

[round swift]

Guys is alonso prime better than all drivers

All time

[desert plover]

I wouldn't say better than all drivers, that's a bit extreme

[valid grove]

i’d say its pretty up there based on raw performance alone

[desert plover]

Alonso is great, but I would rather choose someone else based on race pace, or qualifying pace

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[valid grove]

Alonso is sort of like an all-rounded driver who’s great at both

his main strength is consistency

he rarely ever makes mistakes

his mental strength is really good too

might be a bit biased though since he’s my favourite driver

and i consider him the goat

[mighty ginkgo]

hes definitely great but not that close to hamilton/schumacher/verstappen in terms of skill

[fiery lark]

😼

[valid grove]

we’re in the wrong channel here but big disagree

unlike hamilton schumacher and verstappen alonso has never had a dominant car

i’d say alonso is on the level of verstappen

just without a dominant car

hence less championships

alonso would’ve absolutely dominated the modern era if he made better team choices

alonso is also a much cleaner driver unlike verstappen

[willow gorge]

hmm

[mighty ginkgo]

i guess you could argue that point but i still believe verstappen has the edge over alonso especially when it came to 2021 and 2024

[valid grove]

Verstappen didn’t have as bad a car as Alonso in 2012

he still started out the season with a dominant car

while the F2012 was plagued with issues from the start

its only saving grace was its reliability

and for Verstappen taking down a 7 times world champion in 2021

Alonso did the same feat in 2005

actual titles aside, Alonso is one of the best drivers Ferrari has ever had

without him in that seat they would’ve been mediocre from 2010-2014

even though he didn’t win the title, i’d say Alonso 2012 is pretty up there for one of the best performances in a season by a driver

[desert plover]

I’d gladly say he’s above average driver, I think the only driver to actually show Alonso trouble was Lewis in 2007.

[valid grove]

yeah

Lewis’ rookie season was phenomenal

but its also worth noting that Fernando was fighting with the team in the latter part of the season

as the team started favouring Hamilton

2007 was bonkers

[desert plover]

Lewis scored like 8 podiums in a row it was kinda crazy

[valid grove]

two drivers from the same team tied on points losing the championship by a single point at the end of the season

you cant make that stuff up

[valid grove]

fernando blocked hamilton in the pits during a qualifying session to mess up his time as revenge for hamilton disobeying team orders to let fernando pass in another race i think

he already got pole by then and if he didnt do that he probably would’ve won the championship

he got handed a grid penalty for blocking hamilton

2007 Hamilton and Alonso were fighting each other so hard they forgot about Raikkonen

who eventually went on to win the whole thing

[desert plover]

Raikkonen was in third in the championship heading into the final race

But Lewis had gearbox issues and fell behind

And Alonso finished behind raikkonen in the race

[valid grove]

very sad season for mclaren and alonso fans

still it was a very good rookie season for hamilton

very impressive contending for the title in your first season

[desert plover]

Ya reminds me of Jacques Villeneuves rookie season in 1996

Finished second in the championship I think

[past drift]

yes, the Williams were way above the rest

and Jacques won like 4 races, despite narrowly missing on a win for his first race

[storm tendon]

https://fixupx.com/SEGAhoarder/status/1906073675708682345?t=t5dpXTndNBOj2AMqI2rDwQ&s=19

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[fleet wigeon]

Ah yes

Senna holding an blue blur trophy

[high flume]

2007 would have been the best season ever if 2012 and 2010 didnt exist

[desert plover]

I'd have to say that the 1982 season was more entertaining season than both 2012 or 2010

In 1982 with 16 rounds there was 11 GP winners with Keke Rosberg winning championship with only 1 win...

[paper fossil]

1982, 1997, 1999, 2003 and 2008 all exist anyway

[stone star]

One of the best trophies

[past drift]

but at what cost

[past drift]

and 2021 😊

[static nymph]

Wre i get formula1 numero In this server?

[desert terrace]

"Channels & Roles" (mine is in French)

[static nymph]

Thanks

I Donald see nubers only teams

Now

[desert plover]

https://tenor.com/view/vintage-f1-ferrari-slide-drift-gif-4843043

[past drift]

and Paletti, and Pironi

[hardy ravine]

*9

[hardy ravine]

yeah, 11 winners, 9 consecutive winners in 9 different races, fisa-foca war

but tragic

[hardy ravine]

pironi didn't die though

his career got over

[past drift]

i know, still he was a casualty of the season

[hardy ravine]

he could have won it. bad luck cost him

brazil hydraulic failure

turkey puncture

and alonso being the #1 driver in the beginning of the season

[desert plover]

This crash was at imola in 1980, same place where roland crashed too

Apparently Villeneuve was in talks with McLaren for 1983...

[hardy ravine]

roland crashed in the "villeneuve curve" right?

[static nymph]

this is sou chool, photo

[desert plover]

Yeah he crashed at Variante Villeneuve

[astral pumice]

dead chat xd

[storm remnant]

Belgium 98 just carnage

[kind beacon]

Yo td

[idle gale]

When Powerslides were quite common in races

[crimson saddle]

classic

[past drift]

apparently this stopped when they started using radial tyres, and nothing else

[lavish wedge]

it would be cool if they could make these cars all cage, like safe as possible, and had actual races in the city circuits

it could count for an alternate title, or maybe be it's own division? F80's

[desert plover]

Im so glad this channel is back

I was going insane

[hardy ravine]

1993 donnington

[hardy ravine]

this is my favourite channel in the whole of this server

[idle gale]

The White Honda

[past drift]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horde that?

[round swift]

❤️

[desert plover]

The White Lamborghini

According to the team (as no official records were made) the McLaren-Lambo was one second per lap faster around Estoril than the race McLaren-Ford

[oblique dock]

But knowing the LE3512, it was still very unreliable

[desert plover]

Yes very, I think while Mika was testing the engine in the McLaren it blew up

[mighty wraith]

This was the Toyota TF110, the car that never raced

[molten salmon]

I wish Toyota stuck around, even as a certified Toyota hater

[fleet wigeon]

If Toyota had more money,the team could've entered the 2010 season

[lunar arch]

first msg of 2025

[woven zinc]

same, they literally pulled out after arguably performing better than their best season on paper 😭

sure they finished 4th in 2005 but that was only bc Ferrari got kneecapped by the reg changes

yeah it's not really #classic-motorsport material yet but the TF110 apparently would've been a race win contender which would've been really interesting to see as everyone had gotten used to the new regs for the most part by then

[mighty ginkgo]

imagine 26 car grid…

[idle gale]

Better than the F2004? Arguably, maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NTI4DMR6E&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[desert plover]

15 races 14 wins for the F2002, while 18 races 15 wins for the F2004

I'd take F2002 over the F2004

[desert plover]

Prost testing out the Ligier JS37. He was reportedly two seconds a lap quicker than Thierry Boutsen in qualifying trim.

[shell pine]

should've raced

wasn't it something like the engine was insanely unreliable though?

[oblique dock]

Yeah. Although the LE3512 produced more power than the customer Ford HB unit, it was known to be very unreliable

Also, it only managed one podium in F1, which came at the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix in the hands of Aguri Suzuki and Larrousse

In fact, he's in my pfp driving the Lola LC90, which he used during the 1990 season

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[north sand]

Avatar for 2x4_wheel_drive

Link as

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Play games on Carl-bot. Use /games list to see available games!

[shell pine]

nice

for an engine for my car, the only thing that's gonna fit it is a V12, and it's a modern car 😭

[oblique dock]

The funny thing about Lamborghini in F1 is that they technically have one less podium than Yamaha.

Yamaha scored 2 podiums with Mark Blundell and Damon Hill at the 1994 Spanish Grand Prix and the 1997 Hungarian Grand Prix. And another funny thing is that the Yamaha engines were also known to be very unreliable just like the Lamborghini LE3512 V12

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What about the Life W12 engine

Haha

[oblique dock]

The W12 that AGS tested:

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So they tested the engine and didn't like it and went back to Cosworth?

AGS were so bad that they don't even have a JH25 or JH27 wikipedia page lol

[oblique dock]

https://gprejects.com/centrale/profiles/teams/the-saga-of-ags-partie-s-sans-henri-sans-garage-sans-avenir

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I kinda like the livery though

All black and some yellow

[past drift]

what about their rainbow car

[minor pilot]

I like the question marks on the side of the car

[desert terrace]

confuzzled driver

[hybrid hamlet]

Group photo

[slate pasture]

grande Nelson Piquet 3 times world champion

[gentle nest]

Found this beauty at the Honda US Sales & Marketing HQ

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MP4/7A from 1992

[oblique dock]

But this photo was from 1991

[oblique dock]

@fiery birch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB6j7FtrVug&t=62s&pp=ygUNRmVycmFyaSAzMTJUMg%3D%3D Here's one notable Ferrari F1 car that used flat 12's

Lauda used the 312T2 during the 1976 and 1977 seasons, and it managed to win the 1976 and 1977 WCC, as well as the 1977 WDC

[fiery birch]

ill watch these videos tmr or later

[fiery birch]

ohhhh

what do the current cars have then

[oblique dock]

V6 turbo hybrids

I should mention that these V6's are different from the ones used in the turbo era and in the 1960s

[fiery birch]

is the V6 turbo hybrid different from a regular V6 then?

[fiery birch]

the what era

im still not used to older f1 topics

[oblique dock]

The 1960's had naturally aspirated (non turbo/supercharged) V6's

While the V6's during 1977-1988 were turbocharged, and that in 1986, the V6's were the most powerful at the time, as they produced over 1000 horsepower in qualifying trim (qualifying configurations)

[fiery birch]

ohhhhh

1000 😨

whats a V8

[oblique dock]

I should mention that Renault were the first to bring turbocharged V6's to F1 in 1977. However, due to their engine overheating in 1977, their RS01 was referred to as the little yellow teapot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWK9A00aC2U&t=60s&pp=ygUMUmVuYXVsdCBSUzAx

[oblique dock]

8 cylinder engine in a V configuration.

2 banks of 4 cylinders

[fiery birch]

THE LITTLE YELLOW TEAPOT 😭

[oblique dock]

Fortunately, Renault did manage to win their first race with a V6 turbo at the 1979 French Grand Prix with the Renault RS10

[fiery birch]

whats the best V then

[fiery birch]

ohhh thats good

and the car looks good too

[oblique dock]

There really isn't a best V, best inline, etc. engine. A lot of engines regardless of configuration can be well performing. Whether it may be an inline 4, boxer 6, V10, etc.

[agile surge]

only 2 years later Prost would win for the first time in a Renault V6 Turbo

in a car almost no better in terms of reliability to the RS01

[hexed umbra]

I’m new to the “v8”

[fiery birch]

i dont really pay much attention to the mechanics of the car

[hexed umbra]

What do they mean?

[agile surge]

V is the configuration of the engines, 8 is the number of cylinders the engine has

[hexed umbra]

So the more cylinders they have the faster they go?

[agile surge]

no

not at all

[hexed umbra]

So how does the cylinder matter to it?

[oblique dock]

An engine can still have a low number of cylinders and still perform extremely well

[hexed umbra]

I see

[oblique dock]

The BMW M12 inline 4 produced the most power out of the other turbocharged engines in the 1980's.

however, it was not as reliable as engines like the Honda V6's at the time

[agile surge]

the more cylinders generally means the more torque you get from it, the faster you push the power onto the ground, and the engine can rev higher because the stroke length can be shorter

[fiery birch]

whats the cylinder for..?

[oblique dock]

Here's an example of a V8. The Ford Cosworth DFV. Debuting in 1967, it was a 3.0L engine and it was widely used throughout the late 1960s to the early 1980s in F1

[fiery birch]

ohhhhhhh

[agile surge]

fuel is injected, ignited, and compressed; as the fuel combusts, the piston moves downwards which rotates the crankshaft, delivering “power”

[fiery birch]

that makes a lot more sense

[hexed umbra]

So what is torque?

[agile surge]

torque is the ability of the engine to rotate the wheels

[hexed umbra]

I see

[agile surge]

low torque output means you might be producing a lot of power, but it’s unable to do anything

[oblique dock]

The DFV was also used in other racing categories such as sportscars and F3000.

It did have variants, which saw them being used in sportscars and even Indycar racing

[fiery birch]

so what did the older cars use

[hexed umbra]

So if you had a V8 is would have more torque that a V6 would

So it would be able to turn better?

[agile surge]

torque depends on a lot of factors but in general you can deliver power better with more cylinders

[oblique dock]

Depends on which years you are talking about

[hexed umbra]

Okay I get it now

[agile surge]

it comes at a price though: fuel consumption

[oblique dock]

Larger engines drink a lot of fuel

An example: The Dodge Viper's 8.4L V10

[agile surge]

that’s another thing: the 8.4L refers to the displacement of the engine; how much fuel is being combusted

[oblique dock]

8.4L = 8400 cubic centimeters

[fiery birch]

drink as in use up?

[oblique dock]

Yes

[fiery birch]

ohhh

so are the current engines good

[oblique dock]

They are very efficient

[hexed umbra]

So more cylinders means more fuel consumption and torque?

[oblique dock]

Eh... not always

[fiery birch]

wdym..

[oblique dock]

An engine can still have a relatively low number of cylinders and still be high in fuel consumption

[agile surge]

you can have a 3.0L V12 (commonly used in F1 by Ferrari in the 90s) or a 6.0L V6; neither is inherently “better”

[fiery birch]

why not..?

[agile surge]

but that 6.0L V6 is gonna guzzle fuel lol

[oblique dock]

Yup.

[fiery birch]

sorry if im very slow

[agile surge]

because the amount of cylinders is only one aspect of what makes an engine powerful

the displacement it can provide is also another “one” aspect

[fiery birch]

ohhhh ok

[agile surge]

your 6.0L V6 could be incredibly powerful because it’s got huge displacement, but it might not be a good race engine for reliability or for being able to deploy power effectively

likewise your 3.0L V12 can rev higher and provide great power but it might not be the best from a mechanical point of view, depending on the rest of the car and whatnot

[fiery birch]

why 😭

[agile surge]

because the cylinders are bigger, it’s a larger displacement engine

[fiery birch]

ohhhh

so some engines are better than others but can also be worse depending on the car

[oblique dock]

F1 cars in the 1980s had 1.5L turbocharged engines, not to mention some engines during the 1960s being 1.5L as well

[fiery birch]

is that a good thing..?

[agile surge]

larger displacement can help a lot, it’s essentially you being able to inject more fuel/air into the cylinder so a more powerful “boom”

you might hear the common saying “no replacement for displacement” in the car community

but like I said it’s really bad for fuel efficiency

[fiery birch]

ohhhh

i get it now 🤯

[oblique dock]

With there being small engines, one thing that they can account for would be weight.

For example, Toyota decided not to use the 2JZ-GTE Inline 6 in the Toyota Supra for the JGTC, so instead, they used the Toyota 503E and 3S-GTE inline 4 engines, which were lighter than the 2JZ-GTE and also capable of making a lot of power.

[agile surge]

turbos and hybrid systems also help your engine a lot

less commonly now superchargers

[oblique dock]

Turbos help with fuel economy

[fiery birch]

have you guys already explained hybrid systems?

[agile surge]

yes

[fiery birch]

or is it just a motified verson of a engine

[oblique dock]

Hybrid systems are separate things

They work in conjuction with an engine

[fiery birch]

oh

[hexed umbra]

So what would a turbocharged engine mean?

[fiery birch]

so it isnt apart of the engine but helps the engine

[agile surge]

an engine with a turbocharger on it

a turbo is a device that uses exhaust gasses to compress intake air, thereby shovelling more air into the cylinder for a more powerful explosion

[oblique dock]

However, turbochargers come with the downside of turbo lag, which is a delay in the boost kicking in

[fiery birch]

so more power?

[fiery birch]

ohhhhh

[oblique dock]

To combat this, anti-lag systems are used to eliminate lag by keeping the turbo spinning even when a car is braking.

[agile surge]

superchargers do not have that turbo lag, because they use the energy from the rotation of the crankshaft

alternatively yeah you use anti-lag measures

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGtNNUmtpQ&pp=ygUOZXZvIDYgYW50aSBsYWfSBwkJfgkBhyohjO8%3D Here is an example of an anti lag system in action

Oh yeah, they are known to be very loud

[fiery birch]

so the current V6 turbo hybrid is just a combination?

[agile surge]

the old trick that Senna used “feathering the throttle” is a form of anti-lag

[oblique dock]

Yes. The combustion engine and hybrid unit work together

[oblique dock]

And he used this even with naturally aspirated cars

[fiery birch]

ohhhh that actually seems nice

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q-6gg5oDBw&pp=ygUaU2VubmEgaHVuZ2FyeSBvbmJvYXJkIDE5OTI%3D An example

Stabbing the throttle mid corner

Other drivers like Gerhard Berger and even Alain Prost did this sort of thing, too

[hexed umbra]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KZLygdpg3LU&si=09kpH8kPSqPQOT9-

[desert plover]

Ya I know I was just showing the floor of it, it was from Mexico GP

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREXCicidmA&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[simple thorn]

waow

[static nymph]

[past drift]

suck squish bang blow

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQoP6wdf34

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The 1967 German Grand Prix was the first F1 race to be televised in colour

[paper fossil]

which broadcaster

[pseudo remnant]

Has F1 been broadcast on British TV since 1950? (Black and white)

[paper fossil]

No

[errant heart]

I remember this

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Probably a European broadcaster, I'm not totally sure

I was rewatching the 1991 Australian Grand Prix, and they only stopped the race after Nigel Mansell and Gerhard Berger crashed, and with Senna still driving around in first place waving his hand all over in the cockpit to demand the race to be stopped

Mansell was actually going to pass Senna down the Brabham straight, but in the distance there were two crashed F1 cars on both sides of the circuit so he had to give the place to Senna which he was in the middle of the circuit

[desert terrace]

Is that a Modena?

[desert plover]

Yeah could be Nicola Larini

And on the right could be Jean Alesi

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https://youtu.be/p8XS41bb9H0?feature=shared&t=1092

Martin Brundle's first commentary during the 1989 Belgian Grand Prix

[elfin siren]

Martin Brundle Accident in 1996 Australian Grand Prix, The First Season Opener of Australia in Albert Park

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Nigel Roebuck once asked Ayrton Senna about if the 1993 European was his greatest win. Senna said: No way! I had traction control! OK, I didn't make any real mistakes, but the car was so much easier to drive. It was a good win, but compared with Estoril 1985 it was nothing

[paper fossil]

that McLaren had a really good chassis and electronics as a package

the engine was just totally outclassed by the V10 Renault plus the grade above Ford until they acquired parity mid season

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLf-yjLCyaM&pp=ygUQdGhhdGNoZXIgbWNsYXJlbg%3D%3D Meanwhile

[shell frigate]

Hello

[desert plover]

Is that the mother of Diana?

[oblique dock]

what……

No…

[desert plover]

Who is she

Shes the mother of somebody

Senna got some air

[paper fossil]

Prime Minister of UK from 1979-1990

[stark bolt]

ew

that witch

[stark bolt]

the worst prime minister

[fleet wigeon]

Mclaren Airlines

[pseudo remnant]

I've never seen this rare photo of Lauda and Prost with pistol muskets. Woah.

[desert plover]

Alain Prost - The Tadpole

Alain Senna

[oblique dock]

Now with Erik Comas’ helmet

A Prost for all seasons

[desert plover]

A second quicker than Thierry Boutsen!

[oblique dock]

Kind of a shame Boutsen had no place to go after Williams

[desert plover]

Yup him at Benneton and Williams were peak of his career

Michael Coulthard

Damon Schumacher

He was probably trying to find the launch control button haha

[past drift]

he should have gone back to Benetton

[oblique dock]

Hmm. Maybe

I’m not sure how he’d do there in comparison to Martin Brundle and Roberto Moreno

I think he’d do a little better than Moreno

[desert plover]

Do you guys know when they invented drivers to talk to pitwall while driving?

I found a video from 1994 of Senna talking to the Pitwall while driving but nothing later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Xio9h6EWM

[pseudo remnant]

Emerson Fittipaldi's McLaren M23 - 1974.

[past drift]

pretty car

[paper fossil]

Is it?

We all know about Alain’s tests with Ligier and Boutsen was far from good at the team who yes had come off bad seasons but were slowly improving

I think the only place else he was linked with beyond remaining at Williams for 91 was Arrows

Because Alboreto was underperforming

Is ideal he convinced Comas to avoid Brabham to join him at Ligier

[oblique dock]

I see

[paper fossil]

His qualifying advantage over him in 1991 was floating near to a percent but Erik is a rookie and a very good F3000 champion who was rated, more interesting is that it is only about 0.005% in 92

Boutsen I just don’t think is that good

With the reputation Ligier had by then that was a driver of worth to them

And I think he somehow delivered even less than expected

They both had that silly accident Interlagos didn’t they

[oblique dock]

I don’t think Boutsen would’ve gone well with a second Arrows stint

[past drift]

what does it say about Patrese who was Boutsen's teammate at Williams

[paper fossil]

It says that he was marginally the better option based on 1990 but that he also was better favoured in the team by all concerned plus handled his negotiations more effectively

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPEF6r4AQk&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[fleet wigeon]

Erik Prost

[torpid ore]

Nicholas Latifi

[storm tendon]

I think radios were a thing in the 80s

[wind jasper]

80s, however they weren’t explicitly televised until 2004 Chinese GP

[mighty ginkgo]

me when mick schumacher x jack doohan 😧

[desert plover]

Interesting thank you!

[desert plover]

I just had ChatGPT 03-mini-high using Deep Research talk me through what happened during the weekend of the 1993 Europeon Grand Prix, and it pulled from 30 sources, and is so detailed that I would like to share it here

If I am allowed @past drift would it be okay if I shared with everybody else

[past drift]

sounds cool, go ahead 👍

[desert plover]

Ok let me try and copy paste this

I think it is to big to send lol it is over 5 thousand words

Man this deep research is crazy good

Alain Prost, in stark contrast, cut a dejected figure after the race. He methodically listed the Williams’ woes: “I had a bad moment from the start when the car went into neutral… then another problem at the end of the straight… I had problems almost all the time” he said, referring to the FW15C’s gearbox glitches in the wet​. Prost admitted he “stalled the engine at one stop” and that once he switched to slicks, “the car was absolutely undriveable” for him. He also bemoaned incorrect tire pressures and a wrong wing adjustment that hurt the car’s balance on dries. Prost’s frustration was evident as he concluded, “From then on, I was being careful. But then I had more and more problems…”. Sitting next to him in the press conference, Senna couldn’t resist a gentle jab – suggesting, “Perhaps you should change cars with me?”

McLaren’s MP4/8, designed by Neil Oatley’s team, was no slouch technologically – in fact it was McLaren’s most sophisticated car to date. It too featured an electronic active suspension, advanced engine management by TAG Electronics, and a semi-automatic transmission. Senna “really liked” the MP4/8 in testing and found it nimble and well-balanced. Still, its Ford V8 engine lacked brute power compared to the Williams’ V10. The Ford unit was lighter and more compact, but produced roughly 100 horsepower less than the Renault (one McLaren engineer noted they “had a better chassis but needed a better engine” to truly challenge Williams). McLaren also did not have factory access to Ford’s latest updates early in 1993, meaning Benetton’s Ford engines were a spec ahead.

On the electronics side, the McLaren’s systems were well-sorted and reliable – an area where, on this day, McLaren arguably had an edge over Williams. Notably, Senna’s MP4/8 was equipped with traction control, whereas Schumacher’s Benetton reportedly had no traction control at this race. This would aid Senna in laying down power on the slick asphalt.

Active suspension, in theory, could be beneficial in rain by keeping tire contact optimal. But Williams had tuned theirs for minimal ride height (just a few millimeters off the ground) to maximize aero grip​. In the heavy rain at Donington, this backfired. Water on track was often deeper than the car’s ride height, causing the Williams to hydroplane or “surf” on the puddles instead of gripping. Williams technical director Patrick Head later admitted, “Taking nothing from Ayrton, but his win owed much to our incompetence” in these conditions. He explained that Prost and Hill repeatedly pitted complaining of “no grip,” thinking it was a tire problem, when in reality the car was skating on water due to the low ride height. The McLaren, whether by design or Senna’s feel, coped better – Senna had the confidence to stay out on slicks at times when the Williams drivers felt undriveable on the same tires. In essence, the high-tech Williams was caught out by the very sophistication that made it dominant in the dry, whereas the McLaren’s systems (and Senna’s mastery of them) proved more adaptable in the chaos.

When the lights went green on Sunday, a light rain was still falling and the 4.0 km Donington track was damp. Senna’s start from fourth was initially poor – Schumacher’s Benetton squeezed him to the left and Sauber’s Karl Wendlinger shot past both, demoting Senna to 5th into the first corner (Redgate). What followed has gone down in F1 lore as “the lap of the gods.” In the span of a single lap, Senna overtook four top drivers in daring moves:

Michael Schumacher (Benetton-Ford) – Exiting Redgate, Senna got a better drive (aided by superior traction control) and darted past Schumacher’s Benetton by the time they reached the downhill Hollywood section​. This quick dispatch was critical, as Schumacher had been attempting to hold Senna up.

Karl Wendlinger (Sauber) – Charging through the sweeping Craner Curves, Senna went around the outside of Wendlinger in the treacherous left-hander, a bold move in the wet. Wendlinger had briefly inherited third, but Senna swept past him “as if [the others] were in Formula Three cars”. (Moments later Wendlinger and McLaren’s Michael Andretti tangled behind Senna, but Senna was already gone.)

Damon Hill (Williams-Renault) – Next target was Hill. Approaching McLean’s (a medium-speed right-hander), Senna dove inside, putting two wheels on the white line as he braked late on the damp surface​. Hill, understandably cautious on slick tires, left just enough room and Senna seized P2​. It was a clean, decisive pass – Senna had effectively outbraked a Williams-Renault in inferior machinery.

Alain Prost (Williams-Renault) – Prost, the race leader, was known for his prudent approach in wet conditions. By the end of the back straight, Senna had rapidly closed the gap. At the Melbourne Hairpin (the tight penultimate corner), Senna pounced. Prost hesitated slightly, struggling with a momentary gearbox issue and caution on the slick surface. Senna dove to the inside and outbraked Prost decisively for the lead. As they exited the hairpin, Senna’s McLaren pulled in front, and he completed the pass before the end of lap 1.

By the time Senna crossed the line to start lap 2, he had gone from fifth to first in one lap – an astounding sequence that left onlookers in awe. “The opening minute had been breathtaking, but somehow you felt that the race was already over,” veteran journalist Nigel Roebuck wrote of that lap. Indeed, Senna led Prost by 4.2 seconds after just two laps, and the sheer skill displayed in those first few corners would forever be remembered. Even Prost admitted later that on the first lap “I had a bad moment... the car went into neutral… Ayrton overtook me… from then on I had problems almost all the time”. Senna’s aggressive yet controlled charge had caught his rivals flat-footed. As one report put it, “This was annihilation, and frankly it made the rest of them look as if they were still on their warm-up lap”.

[tight pasture]

is the version premium?

[desert plover]

It is Plus yes

[desert plover]

Alain Prost during the 1982 Australian Grand Prix

[past drift]

didn't he did extra work back then

what series was it, formula tasman?

[desert plover]

Australian Formula 1

[past drift]

ok! what engine specs were they?

[desert plover]

1.6 L (98 cu in), four-cylinder Ford BDA engine which produced around 220 bhp (164 kW; 223 PS)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralt_RT4

[past drift]

right

wait

the one who finished 3rd in this race was Roberto Moreno?

[desert plover]

Yes i think

[past drift]

he started his actual f1 career in 87 only, so that's surprising to see him on a pod alongside f1 drivers this early

[quasi remnant]

real mp4/7 here at long beach this weekend

and a indy car just bc

[desert plover]

Do you know which chassis number that is? It could be the one where Senna won Monaco in

[sonic imp]

https://tenor.com/view/janes-hunt-gif-18576697

[willow gorge]

what james and the marshall doing

[sonic imp]

Honestly I have no clue, I can’t tell if James was ready to fight someone and then pivoted when he saw him or if he’s drunk, or both.

[willow gorge]

[desert terrace]

RE60 my beloved

[sour moon]

Knowing James probably both

[quasi remnant]

i’ll check sunday but honda brought it sooo

[past drift]

the marsgall wanted james to go behind the armco barrier, in safety

james did not want because he wanted to show depailler ( i think thats him) that he was angry about being punted out the way he was

[desert plover]

Honda favours Senna, so it might a special chassis that Senna won a race in

[past drift]

probably Monaco then

[willow gorge]

Oh

[hearty cobalt]

Youre at Long Beach too eh? I got a picture of the plaque as well

[mighty ginkgo]

ah yes classic f1

[hearty cobalt]

I don't believe that qualifies for this channel

Please read the channel description

[mighty ginkgo]

LMAO MESSAGE GOT DELETED

https://tenor.com/bFji2.gif

[valid grove]

what happened here 😭

[elfin siren]

The One who post deleted their Posted

That's Rude

[hearty cobalt]

It was a gif that wasn't relevant to this chat because it wasn't within the channel rules so it was deleted

[elfin siren]

Right

[sour moon]

Let’s avoid people on fire as well, please

[elfin siren]

Copy...

[mighty ginkgo]

someone sent a gif of max verstappen winning in 2021 i believe

[valid grove]

oh 😭😭

[desert plover]

Ah so it was the chassis from the Brazilian Grand Prix

Oh wait I read it wrong nevermind

[hearty cobalt]

It started from there

[desert plover]

It also says "Note: This machine is the model for exhibition" so it could just be a show car

[hearty cobalt]

Could be

[desert plover]

How come it is in Long Beach currently?

[hearty cobalt]

With HRC for IMSA and Indycar

[desert plover]

yo get out of here bro

[sour moon]

Well this isn’t exactly f1 related

[mighty ginkgo]

hurh

[desert plover]

MP4/4 Brazilian Grand Prix 1988, notice the grey roll hoop behind the drivers head, this race was the only race it had it. This chassis won three races: Rio by Prost; and Detroit and Suzuka (Japan) by Senna. Senna won the Driver's Championship with this chassis at Suzuka. It was also used for pre-season testing at Imola a week before the Brazilian Grand Prix.

[past drift]

might be silly, but why didn't they go for white from the get go, if you know?

[desert plover]

I think they were rushing and didn't have enough time or totally forgot

That's pretty much what I got online from reading different articles

[past drift]

very not The Ron to allow that

[desert plover]

Haha I know

[past drift]

he must have been sick of sth

[desert plover]

yeah it was bare titanium, but Ron wanted it to be White so they had to change it

https://youtu.be/xRtjeWsIscc?feature=shared&t=2187

[past drift]

good

[shrewd turtle]

Turkey İstanbul

[tardy valve]

would these be considered classic f1?

[willow gorge]

would probably fit more in the game channels

but they are classic cars

[tardy valve]

yeah, ill put the screenshots like that in game channel from now on

[fleet wigeon]

Still Wonder how he survived this crash

[desert plover]

Wasn't as bad as the Zolder crash, and also Tamburello and Villeueve were really bad with lots of crashes like Piquet in the 1987 race, and Berger's huge fire crash during the 1989 race, Alboreto, and Patrese aswell, but none fatal until the 1994 weekend.

[desert plover]

Valentino Rossi (9x MotoGP Champ) regularly tested for Ferrari in the early 2000s. Ferrari engineer L. Mazzola said that Schumacher was "stunned" looking at Rossi's telemetry at his first test, and in 2006 Rossi lapped within 0.7s of MSC's time with a detuned car. Here he is testing the F2008.

[limber furnace]

They reassembled it, right…?

[limber furnace]

This man is like John Surtees’ spiritual successor.

[desert plover]

Lol yes

[idle gale]

One of the most unusual retirements for Mark happened during the 2004 season. At Suzuka that year Mark had an overheating seat and had to retire from the race due his rear was getting cooked. Both figuratively and literally

[hardy ravine]

yeah you reminded me of that again 😅

[timid wagon]

Had some hot buns

[rain turret]

Fernando Alonso wins his first grand prix, and he becomes the youngest man ever to win a Formula 1 race

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf6kJE2M-ow&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[rugged yew]

I am looking for a F1 24 racing league that is based in Europe! Dm me

[hearty cobalt]

Use #f1-games for that

[rugged yew]

Cry baby

[sour moon]

Calm down

[hearty cobalt]

Its called rules buddy

[mighty ginkgo]

quite crazy how he was once the youngest winner and could possibly be one of the oldest soon

[rain turret]

in 2026 and newey we trust

i hope he doesn't even think about retiring before the year 26'

[exotic silo]

Everyone come get ur emoji

[hardy ravine]

why isn't this the f1 nerd hangout that it used to be? 😭

[woven zinc]

bc one of the key people involved in making this that has left again unfortunately

[hardy ravine]

2x4wheeldrive?

[woven zinc]

yes

[hardy ravine]

why?

and left again?

[woven zinc]

yeah, he left again last week

[subtle rune]

The definition of subtle foreshadowing in f1😂

[past drift]

wait i don't get it haha

[paper fossil]

foreshadowing what exactly

[wheat radish]

probably the petronas sponsor going to red bull's 2021 rival

[desert plover]

ah yes that makes sense

[mighty ginkgo]

f1 classic at its finest

[valid grove]

how is that foreshadowing the petronas sponsor going to mercedes 😭😭

if we use that logic, the Ferrari F2012 is foreshadowing the Santander sponsor going to Williams

[desert plover]

Using the Ergast API, I had it to show me the stats of the first 100 races of a few legends of the sport. Note: Clark had 73 race starts, and Fangio had 52 race starts.

This might not be accurate since the API doesn't go back that far in the 1950s and is no longer supported anymore.

I am still working on the code to make it accurate as possible

[wheat radish]

is santander a title sponsor?

its Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team, not just mercedes

[valid grove]

yeah but how is that foreshadowing

[wheat radish]

never said it was foreshadowing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[valid grove]

[desert plover]

I've added more to the code 😄

This now checks two API's and a bit of wikipedia because statsf1 webpage was down

[past drift]

do you build your own database?

[desert plover]

No it gets all of the information from the two API's
https://ergast.com/api/f1 and https://api.jolpi.ca/ergast/f1/

[past drift]

ok 🙂

[hardy ravine]

you can't scrape from statsf1 unless you use headers to mimic the behaviour of the browser

[past drift]

what does it give you otherwise?

[hardy ravine]

404 error

i checked the robots.txt

seems like they disallow scraping

i don't exactly know

[past drift]

indeed it seems they refuse many bot user agents

[hardy ravine]

but it gives you a 404 if you try scraping

[past drift]

strange i just tried in postman with one of the disallowed user agents and it works

maybe i'm doing it wrong

[hardy ravine]

i added headers and now it scrapes fine

[carmine kindle]

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.sport.f1/c/UeN_smtUs9w

Old motorsport thread going all the way back to like 1993 ig

Early internet gem imo

I found this while browsing for details on old crashes

[valid grove]

Damon: Natural Born Loser
Schumacher: Cheat? Yes!
😭😭😭😭

what a fucking goldmine actually

[carmine kindle]

Yeah

I spent like 3 days

[carmine kindle]

Looks like ocon's legacy started all the way back in 94

[valid grove]

i did NOT need to be reminded about the tom pryce crash however

[carmine kindle]

Benetton according to John B

[valid grove]

absolutely horrifying

[valid grove]

John B is such an early internet username 😭😭

wait

you might want to delete that actually

AI

[desert plover]

Ya I think they IP blocked me now because I don't have access to the webpage

[carmine kindle]

oh sadge

dont let that distract yppu from the fact that in the 1994 the majority voted that schumacher crashed on purpose

[valid grove]

pretty reasonably so

even if i was a schumi fan alive back then i wouldn’t be able to argue against it

[desert plover]

im going to use headers to mimic a browser and let you know if it works

IT WORKS!

I can just forget about the API's now and just use statsf1 and wikipedia wooooo

[mighty ginkgo]

frentzen is hot 😭😭😭😭

[hardy ravine]

gem

[desert plover]

Huge progress

Now need to code to compare each driver again 😭

[hardy ravine]

alain prost's wins?

yeah it is

which language?

[past drift]

all numbers on your app are floats?

that's funi

[brisk shale]

<floating point error intensifies>

[idle gale]

"I hate to say this but a lot of people here are really debating whether Ricardo Rosset is Formula 1 material"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrAs4hSmu5Y&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[hardy ravine]

the team mechanics rearranged his letters in the pit lane and formed "tosser"

[hardy ravine]

t-minus

[vague island]

classics are always great

anyone know andrea moda?

[night gust]

I believe I informed you of our rules in the modmail.

.mute @steady cosmos 2h Violation of rule 3 exception. (Keep your requests to #formula-1)

[north sand]

terra.rose muted flopphy for 1 hour, 59 minutes and 59 seconds. Reason: Violation of rule 3 exception. (Keep your requests to #formula-1)

[signal flint]

Looks like YouTube got something right for once

[elfin siren]

Damon Hill in 1994 Japanese Grand Prix

[hardy ravine]

yeah ofc

[hardy ravine]

his greatest drive

holding off michael schumacher with three fresh tyres only

[faint haven]

guess the driver ‼️

i know it's an ass photo

shut up

[vague island]

helmet man number 26

of the blue car

[faint haven]

what 😭

[mighty ginkgo]

’who finished in 2nd place’

‘the guy in 2nd place’

[paper fossil]

it is a JS11

Laffites car

clearly a goodwood demonstration no clue who the driver would be in that case

[past drift]

Berger?

[faint haven]

Correct!

This is Jacques Laffites car.

[mossy cairn]

Alexander Albon [23]

Acronym: ALB
Constructor: Williams
Date of Birth: 23rd mars 1996 (<t:827539200:R>)
Nationality: Thai

Statistics

World Championships: 0
Highest Race Finish: 3 (x2)
Highest Grid Position: 4 (x4)
Races Entered: 109

_ _

Podiums: 2
Points: 258
Fastest Laps: 0
Grand Slams: 0

Last Races (3)

Bahrain Grand Prix 2025-04-13
 ├ ⏰ 1:36:28.274
 └ 🏁 Finished 12th (+48.839)

Japanese Grand Prix 2025-04-06
 ├ ⏰ 1:22:47.350
 └ 🏁 Finished 9th (+40.367)

Chinese Grand Prix 2025-03-23
 ├ ⏰ 1:31:51.347
 └ 🏁 Finished 7th (+56.321)

[desert plover]

Oscar Piastri's driving style reminds me so much about Alain Prosts. So smooth, and relaxed.

[vague island]

always relaxed. win or loss

[valid grove]

he might be the next prost fr fr

[hardy ravine]

underrated, but the best.

prost was the best of his time undoubtedly'

and piastri is the best rn

this season

[paper fossil]

He doesn’t remind me of Prost

Except in driving style

In the sense he prefers an understeer balance

[past drift]

what did Prost prefer, something very neutral?

[hardy ravine]

he was smooth

and all drivers now have to be smooth

[past drift]

i mean you can not be smooth, but you might have to do more pitstops

[paper fossil]

Understeer

In general though I think Prost has more natural talent

And the traits to his driving are way more complex than the outward appearance of Piastri being dry humoured in his answers and cool on the radio

[valid grove]

definitely

[desert plover]

Prost testing the MP4/11

The McLaren MP4-98T (two seater) Formula 1 car

[desert plover]

When I look fast, I'm not smooth and I am going slowly. And when I look slow, I am smooth and going fast. - Alain Prost

[hardy ravine]

guess the driver and the team

he is infamous for doing something in this race

[paper fossil]

vittorio brambilla in the March 751

but that is not at the Osterreichring

where he won

it is from the Belgian GP at Zolder

the Austrian GP was in heavy rain the whole distance

[past drift]

he had a great stint in 75

[woven zinc]

he sure spun his way into victory that one time didn't he

[past drift]

in austria, yes

[proud drift]

woah

[woven zinc]

yeah ik

[hardy ravine]

wasn't there a dry spell?

no i don't remember there being a dry spell

they had to stop the race

didn't run it fully

[past drift]

no

so much like Jochen Mass that year, he got his only win in a race where 50% of the points were awarded

[hardy ravine]

tragic race.

the 1975 spanish grand prix

[fossil fiber]

Hey guys

[willow gorge]

no way it's skipper from the zoo animals movie

[rich hedge]

didn't drivers wanna cancel that race

[desert plover]

1967 Dutch Grand Prix?

[round swift]

Yep I’m pretty sure it is

[desert plover]

first race of the lotus 49 thats why

[round swift]

My father saw it on TV as a kid

He also sadly heard Jim Clark crash and die while he was at the races with his father

[rich hedge]

didnt the lotus 49 peform too good in its first race

[round swift]

I’d say that was thanks to Clark

Don’t take my word for it tho I’m bias asf

[rich hedge]

hmm

[past drift]

they won it

[hardy ravine]

yeah because the barriers were not fastened properly

the reason francois cevert died in 1973 at watkins glen

and helmut koninigg died in 74 in the same track

[hardy ravine]

the blueprint for f1

revolutionary designs

[fossil fiber]

Wsg guys

[hardy ravine]

guess the team:

[fossil fiber]

Theodore racing?

Im pretty sure thats the 70s series

Or 80s

Am i right?

[past drift]

Yes Theodore in 81

[past drift]

yay Brabham

[crisp nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7SitEde5vM

Zonta had the best seat in the house here

[past drift]

hah probably

[idle gale]

I mean, Gerhard did throw Ayrton's briefcase out of a chopper that one time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSMICzBGcnw&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[mighty ginkgo]

oh wait this was the one where he put frogs in senna’s apartment in australia right

[smoky fractal]

peak f1 personality, such a shame he's underrated too

he was matching senna pretty well but was never truly the same driver after his crash at imola in 1989

one of the top 3 austrian drivers to grace f1, behind rindt and lauda of course

[past drift]

theyre the only austrians to win a race

[mighty ginkgo]

austrians really have the worst luck when it comes to f1 accidents sadly

[desert plover]

https://preview.redd.it/yr1irr25yax31.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e1b2d0558d697bbd792c6c6f24fa6754cfa3d9c5

[crisp nexus]

Let me guess, Berger did that to Senna's car?

[desert plover]

No the engineers did that at the next race after Senna knocked down Irvine with a punch to the head after the Japanese GP

[crisp nexus]

Damn F1 drivers were aggressive back in the day.

Schumacher
Senna Vs Prost

Also why did my phone autocorrect Prost to Prostate?!

[idle gale]

Great friends and teammates

[past drift]

check the 1982 German GP 🙂

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYUG3y4PY04 first time Frank went back to the track after the accident that left him paralysed

ft. The Chain intro

[signal flint]

Silverstone museum 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

Wrong channel

Nvm actually

[past drift]

which car did you prefer there?

[signal flint]

Of all of them or the picture I took?

[past drift]

all of them ye

[signal flint]

Honestly

Idk

The BRM they had was cool

It was a Niki Lauda one too

The 160E I think?

[desert plover]

The Williams FW14B looks good

[hardy ravine]

he changed his passport photo with WHAT?

[hardy ravine]

wasn't it brands hatch at 1986?

[past drift]

to THAT track

[hardy ravine]

peak

[hardy ravine]

oh ok

[past drift]

otherwise yeah something like that

[hardy ravine]

where he had the accident

[past drift]

yeah Paul Ricard

[crimson saddle]

I don't know if it's true, but I heard on a podcast with a personal friend of Senna who was in that chopper that before throwing Senna's briefcase out, Berger was using his coat to block the pilots view

[idle gale]

Aka the car that wrecked itself right after coming out of the pitlane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoB2r-VkOo&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[tribal silo]

Weren't there two historical-related subforums?

[tribal silo]

One for F1 and the other for other kind of motorsport?

[past drift]

yes but we changed the channels last week

they've been merged into one, because activity didn't mandate 2 distinct channels

[tribal silo]

Ahh OK, I see

I don't come here much

[past drift]

no problem 😄

[signal flint]

Lovely datsun and M3

Ignore the Reiter and Ginetta lol

[crimson saddle]

Adrian Newey showing the cockpit of Prost's car to Senna and Hakkinen in 1993

[willow gorge]

Rene Arnoux bottled Monaco so hard in 1982 smh

[willow gorge]

Jeez Prost had a massive off

What drama this race

Patrese 😭

Cant believe how this race has finished

[river cave]

the whole finish of Monaco '82 is just weird

[willow gorge]

One of the most unique finishes to a race

6 drivers just allergic to P1