battlefield-2042

[hidden sand]

Problem is, tanks are horribly balanced and are too weak.

[solar tinsel]

it kept moving the turret after release?

[hidden sand]

Uhhh, I mean to catch up with your crosshair yeah.

[nimble hornet]

What's everyone's favorite set up and go2 spec for run and gun?

[hidden sand]

It didnt keep moving after it had done that which isnt happening in 2042 either, in my expereince.

[solar tinsel]

to be clear Im not talking about that. Like the delay in 3P camera for the actual turret to catch up with the screen center

[fiery dawn]

you said “it prevents tanks from swinging around in a split second” but isn’t that prevented by slow turret rotation speed? why the need for basically input latency?

[solar tinsel]

I mean, when in first person view, as your turret moves (and your camera is locked to the turret aim point), when you "let go" the turret keeps moving a bit further

so the camera turns slower, of course, because the turret is slow

but when you release your camera keeps moving for maybe another half of a second

so you dont wind up where you wanted to

and again, this isn't the case when zoomed

[hidden sand]

Huh, that hasn't been happening to me, lemme try it out real quick.

[solar tinsel]

Id love to hear your results, and if not, what you have settings wise ha

[calm bison]

its kind of annoying when youre sneaking up on a tank in BF4 with C4, only for it to see you, and give itself whiplash with the turret

[solar tinsel]

I think its meant to be some awkward mechanic for "swinging" the tank turret, but the issue is, it's already slow!

so why the extra penalty, and again, it's a mechanic that simulates input latency which is.... not fun!

[hidden sand]

Turret speed needs to be increased yeah.

But I want the delay there personally.

[solar tinsel]

Thats the worst part for me, I'd rather have slow turret speed

Who wants simulated input latency? ha

[past fossil]

Y nobody care about the number of tanks and attack helis in game its only 2 tanks and 1 heli for each team

[hidden sand]

It doesnt really feel that way to me.

[fiery dawn]

we definitely care. it’s super lame

[hidden sand]

Its input delay, but it doesnt feel like bad input delay.

[nimble hornet]

@past fossil 64 or 128?

[past fossil]

128

[solar tinsel]

so if you're trying to aim at somebody in 1P unzoomed, do you just hope you release a bit before so it lands on them?

you notice the difference zoomed vs. unzoomed right?

[past fossil]

but in portal people make games with the same amount

[solar tinsel]

like when zoomed its responsive

[nimble hornet]

Strange, I swear you have like 2 tanks and 4 air vehicles everywhere

[past fossil]

no I wish

[fiery dawn]

It’s like a faster handling sniper rifle. You need to land headshots

[past fossil]

u have 1 attack and one transport

[hidden sand]

Zooming in has the same thing, the fov is increased so you're noticing it less. I know what you're talking about now, but I mean, I don't think it feels particularly bad. It adds more to turret aim vs rifle aiming.

[nimble hornet]

I see them all the time in 128 games, you think you could be bolt and make the run, but get hunted down by cons and helis and when you think the ghost is clear boom tank round to the face.

[fiery dawn]

Learn the bullet velocity 🤷‍♂️

[past fossil]

yeah but lis

[fiery dawn]

With high power rounds it’s a one shot to the chest at close range

[solar tinsel]

not sure if its the FOV, but rather, the turret movement is less, and the penalty only seems to apply when the turret is moving fast. In theory, you can have a responsive turret unzoomed when you make small adjustments only

but when moving the turret and near full speed (which again, is already quite slow) then the penalty is there

and it overshoots

I can maybe get behind it more if say, the turret was much faster

[nimble hornet]

If I had a squad of liz with np

[solar tinsel]

although I still am not a fan of needing to account for momentum overshoot

[hidden sand]

Yeah which is a good mechanic imo, but the weakness of the tanks and sluggish feel of them is fucking that up.

Track speed and turnrate is slow, the turret is slow, MPAT barely does shit to infantry, etc.

[solar tinsel]

I looked at some BFV gameplay, it doesnt seem like it has that overshoot mechanic

although not many players tend to play 1P unzoomed it seems

most were 3P the whole time except when in optics

anyways, Im glad to hear not everyone hates that mechanic, but I sure do ha

[signal trout]

yo they nerfed lis' rocket launcher

[hidden sand]

BFV has it it's just way less noticeable

[fiery dawn]

how so

[signal trout]

the monitor is now less visible

[hidden sand]

I kind of agree with you on the first person default aiming, they should tone down the delay a bit.

3rd person delay isnt even like that.

[solar tinsel]

no there's none at all if Im not mistaken

well, at least not noticable

I dont play 3P as much so I'd have to check

maybe it is there, but in 3P the precision is less significantly noticed

as your "crosshair" is a moving box now

[fiery dawn]

Huh. I hadn’t noticed anything different unless they just changed something like yesterday or today

[signal trout]

yeah it was probs a silent patch

[hidden sand]

BFVs first person delay is not that bad at all. Honestly, the more they turn these tanks into BFV tanks, the more it'll improve.

[fiery dawn]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was. They didn’t bother to mention several major changes in the last patch notes

[hidden sand]

We really need secondary Ammo types.

[solar tinsel]

for tanks?

[signal trout]

we do though

[hidden sand]

Yes.

HE and AP available at the same time.

[solar tinsel]

ah you mean instead of just shells and HMG/LMG

[hidden sand]

Nah, HMG being available as well.

[solar tinsel]

ah I see

[nimble hornet]

Lis

Being hit by EMP Field Grenades now causes you to exit the G-84 TGM TV screen

Fixed an issue that caused Lis' G-84 TGM missile to bounce off of certain bushes

Fixed an issue that caused Sundance's Anti Armor grenade to lock onto and chase Lis' G-84 TGM missile

Increased the delay for exiting the G-84 TGM’s screen to 1 second

It's no longer possible to damage friendly air vehicles with the G-84 TGM’s missile

The G-84 TGM missile will no longer bounce off vehicles

That's the only changes

[hidden sand]

It sounds OP that way, but BFV did it and it really wasn't.

[solar tinsel]

What was it like in BF3/4? I cant remember now

[hidden sand]

All it did was stop the "whoever shoots first wins". Albeit, only alongside part damage and armour angling.

[signal trout]

"It's no longer possible to damage friendly air vehicles with the G-84 TGM’s missile"

what

this was a thing

[hidden sand]

BF3 only had one ammo type iirc.

BF4 had HE, AP and STAFF.

[solar tinsel]

yeah just saw BF4 clip, and it seemed like it was Main + Secondary, so closer to 2042

[hidden sand]

Ye, very boring gameplay.

[solar tinsel]

In general vehicle customization is way lower

[nimble hornet]

I guess so, who knew lol but yeah those are the only changes they stated in the patch notes.

[foggy halo]

Daily reminder to add more vehicles slots

[hidden sand]

Which is crazy considering they had the best vehicle customization in their previous title.

[foggy halo]

Increase the number of tanks in 128 conquest to at least 12

Helis to 4, jets to 4

Transports to 30

Make the game more enjoyable

[nimble hornet]

I need more c5 😈

[hidden sand]

6 tanks on each side or 12 tanks on each side?

Also, vehicles should be added/decreased on a per map basis.

Not in general.

Breakaway would be a good map for 12 v 12 tanks tho.

[arctic grove]

6 tanks on each side for 128. 3 for 64

[hidden sand]

It depends on the map.

64 can have way more tanks than 3 per side.

[arctic grove]

3 MAV/Transport heli on 128, 2 on 64

[arctic grove]

3 tanks 2 wild cats

[solar tinsel]

yup

[hidden sand]

Wish one of the vehicle designers was in here so we could give them ideas lmao.

[solar tinsel]

While I think your magnitudes are a bit overkill, I am in general, favor of more vehicles through more dedicated spawn pools

[hidden sand]

12 is really not much though tbh

When you think about the fact everyone can have an M5 now.

[solar tinsel]

well that I can agree with

but I think they need to change that instead haha

[foggy halo]

CURSED

[solar tinsel]

I suppose if they meant 12 overall (6 per team) thats a bit better

[foggy halo]

It’s minimum man

[hidden sand]

We'll probably never get this amount of customization in 2042.

[solar tinsel]

but I'd see it more like 3 tanks + 1 Mobile AA + 2 Boltes, PER team... if you're gonna have 6

[hidden sand]

Could literally change your entire turret in BFV.

God customization was good.

[solar tinsel]

wow

[arctic grove]

Maybe will but at the end when they pull the plug on the game.

[solar tinsel]

yeah I do regret not getting BFV now ha

[arctic grove]

Ok valid. this can also work. in fact, this is preferable

[solar tinsel]

all about the vehicle ecosystem

which got botched with the current pool system

[hidden sand]

You can be a mid range tank hunter with the long cannon and AP rounds, or CQC Flamenwerfer + howitzer tank. Thing is though, both of these playstyles were viable if you knew what you were doing.

[solar tinsel]

same for air vehicles too @arctic grove : 1 jet, 1 stealth, 1 attack, 1 little bird, 1 condor

[hidden sand]

While in BF4, if you tried using HE so you could actually deal with infantry, regardless of skill the tank with AP wins.

[arctic grove]

A possible reason why dice wont do this again: 1) Not experienced enough to bother with it or 2) They dont want to put it in effort for various reasons.

[hidden sand]

They finally fixed that problem with BFV and immediately went back to it with 2042.
Especially considering there is no armour angling, so the problem is even worse than it was in BF4.

BF4 at least had angling, so it wasn't always who shoots first wins.

But in 2042, it is

[solar tinsel]

wait, is there really no armor angling in 2042?

[hidden sand]

Nope, not remotely.

[solar tinsel]

I admittedly never bothered to check, just assumed

wow

boo

[arctic grove]

2 jet, 1 stealth, 1 attack, 1 little bird, 1 transport

[solar tinsel]

I guess that makes sense

[solar tinsel]

I'd be down with 2 jets, but some of these maps dont even have the air space for them. Maybe per map

Breakway/Hourglass makes sense

[hidden sand]

DICE wanted to kill the idea of vehicles having skill ceilings in this game for whatever reason.

[arctic grove]

fair. It would only work on certain maps

[solar tinsel]

Thats another thing that surprised me

that they didnt curate vehicle more in CQ on map basis

like: does Maniest or Kalediscope truly NEED jets? Or even attack helis haha

[arctic grove]

again, either they are inexperienced and never played a battlefield game or didnt want to put in effort.

[hidden sand]

I'm guessing they saw that Dawnbreaker and figured Kalediscope could have it to because they look similar.

Btw, if you look at the vehicles in this game, all of them are direct copies of BF4.

Minus the new ones.

[solar tinsel]

maybe, but even BF4 had per map vehicles still, but you make a good point

[solar tinsel]

yeah... yet somehow they don't play as well 😆

[arctic grove]

Kali could work with jets

same with hourglass

[hidden sand]

The stealth heli's are annoying because it's just straight upgrades.

The 30mms are better in every way than the hmgs.

You have no reason to go back to them now.

Which is incredibly boring.

[solar tinsel]

I honestly am surprised the stealth had stealth mode PLUS flares.

Like, if stealth mode was the countermeasure, and maybe it just lasted 25 seconds and let you bomb during it, ok fair enough

but then it had a cooldown just like flares

I like the attack helis, but I agree stealth helis are pretty much superior

[hidden sand]

The attack helis are rendered useless because of them, yeah.

Especially because they move slower, have lower dmg output, etc.

The AT Helis feel horrible tbh.

They should have the same maneuverability the stealths do.

[solar tinsel]

or give them a crap ton more damage output / armor

Im fine with less maneuverability in the name of something being powerful

its the tank issue again, but in the sky

[hidden sand]

AT Helis literally can't recover if they're about to wack into something, it's less of a balance thing and more of a poor flight model design.

You know christmas ornaments?

How you can spin em around from their string

That is how helis feel in this game lol

[arctic grove]

Ripple Effect honestly need to release more maps and more edit options on Portal. I want to experiment more on game modes and try to make the balance better.

[hidden sand]

I'm hoping a level editor is in consideration.

Which would be the most ideal outcome of Portal.

Because then we could just make maps ourselves.

[solar tinsel]

It seems like an object editor might be coming

but I fear that they're going to use that as an excuse to not remaster more Portal content

[hidden sand]

Here's the thing.

[solar tinsel]

at least they were exploring that, via a survey

[solar tinsel]

and yeah they also need to add more XP support for Portal

[hidden sand]

People very often underestimate what people in the community can do.

[solar tinsel]

so people can play those modes and stil get rewarded

[solar tinsel]

haha "it's Strike at Karkand, with objects placed onto Discarded"

[hidden sand]

If they gave proper tools, a "workshop" like function, it would be a better result for Portal.

Because then we wouldn't have to hope for maps, it could be done by somebody.

I would take more tools over more content any day.

[solar tinsel]

I mean if people got a full geometry editor, then perhaps it can be great

I got the sense it would be just object manipulation and placement

[hidden sand]

Well thing is, that's what they called it.

[solar tinsel]

and none of it matters if we dont get full XP for it ha

This whole mastery restriction is absurd. If you literally change like one setting (squad leader spawn only), oops, sorry, moderate XP, no mastery progress

come on now

[hidden sand]

https://i.redd.it/pzcz2pzaoaz81.png

"or edit the underlying terrain."

[solar tinsel]

ah good looks

[hidden sand]

Which would be a terrain editor.

[solar tinsel]

you're right then

[hidden sand]

Here's the thing.

Rather than, would you want this.

It's "What features do you want?"

Which makes me hopeful this is what they're doing.

[solar tinsel]

If people can remake maps on their own and have it provide full XP for playing them, then I think it can be fun for sure

[hidden sand]

Thing is, I can see why not. You can't make a map that gives you ridiculous xp or something.

[solar tinsel]

and likely the only way we'll get new content for Portal, as I doubt Ripple will be adding more

[hidden sand]

Yup.

[solar tinsel]

perhaps, but I think that risk needs to be run, of course still make XP modifiers based on settings

but, whats the difference between that and 24/7 Metro/Locker servers

those are better for grinding XP

the play needs to be rewarding, even if it is condusive to higher XP earns

[hidden sand]

I think it just comes back to AI tbh.

They don't seem to care if real players are involved.

But AI, for whatever reason, is a no no.

[arctic grove]

A great example of the new BF3 realistic mod the community made.

[hidden sand]

Yup.

[solar tinsel]

yeah I mean, AI I'm fine with XP just at a reduced rate, like if they can make it worth 25% earn. Awesome

[hidden sand]

If DICE looks at that and thinks "Meh." they are hopeless.

So I hope they can look back at BF2s modding scene, SWBF2s, and BF3s and figure it's something worth doing.

[arctic grove]

I wouldnt put past them tbh

[solar tinsel]

but making AI fully restricted / no earn for categories would suck

no different than seeing them in an online match with autofill

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah someone made a battlfront 2 milsim mod too for PC.

[hidden sand]

SWBF2s modding tool creator literally got hired by DICE so surely they see reason to create official modding tools.

Battlefront 2 milsim mod LOL

[arctic grove]

So much untapped potential and an easy cash grab and yet they dont see it.

[hidden sand]

https://i.redd.it/jvlw6iwq08491.png

Looks like we got everything planned for Season 1 Portal.

[arctic grove]

LMAO "havent decided yet"

BRUH

[solar tinsel]

In my mind, if they havent decided yet, its not happening

[arctic grove]

Yup

pretty much.

[hidden sand]

Yup. Which makes me believe the level editor is absolutely what they're prioritizing.

[solar tinsel]

Unless recent Frostbite entries are a quick port (which I doubt for this game)

[arctic grove]

And yet "its a big part of our game".

[solar tinsel]

yeah me too

Shit they should just hire some of the modding community

to port and remaster some maps

[arctic grove]

But then they would have to pay

oh wait some would do it for free. I know i would.

[solar tinsel]

haha probably less than they would for employees when you consider benefits and all that

[hidden sand]

They should just give us tools to do it ourselves.
It's important to note that they lose nothing from giving mod tools because they don't make money off of content anymore, just cosmetics.

[slate needle]

dont forget that hazard zone was also a big part of their game

[arctic grove]

Bro BF franchise is my life

[solar tinsel]

I mean maybe if it's a real good editor, and if someone makes faithful remasters

[arctic grove]

True

[solar tinsel]

they can make them featured modes

[hidden sand]

Thing is, Frostbite already has a level editor.

[solar tinsel]

I doubt folks will be making new assets

[hidden sand]

Really just comes down to if they're allowed to give that out.

[solar tinsel]

right

[hidden sand]

Which we can't know sadly.

[solar tinsel]

and nobody could just pull the old map files right?

guessing DICE has that locked down

like nobody could rip a map from BF4 game files and get it into 2042

if they had the editor, of course

[hidden sand]

Really no way to know how it would work tbh

It's important to note with that survey though

[solar tinsel]

was released prior to S1?

[hidden sand]

The editor was spoken as if it's being worked on, and content was only about whether you'd be upset if they stopped adding it.

[solar tinsel]

gotcha

[hidden sand]

And then you take into account that interview, so.

[solar tinsel]

sentiment has shifted for the better, since S1's launch for what it's worth, and I wonder if you take that into consideration

like if they go "oh wait this game CAN work if we do it the right way"

maybe they invest a bit more

[hidden sand]

I doubt it but you never know.

[fiery shoal]

logitech superlight is 105 on amazon, get it

[hidden sand]

I'm just desperate for a level editor.

After so many hours with Refractors editor it can get tiresome.

[solar tinsel]

ha

[arctic grove]

Logitech: Sponsored by 2042

[hidden sand]

I bet Refractor editor users would be able to jump over quickly though.

They both use the same mindset when making maps.

Here's the thing with a level editor though

If they really wanted to monetize it

1. They could sell "Legacy Battlefield Asset Packs"
2. They could put a price on the editor itself.

Would genuinely pay money for Asset Packs tbh.

[fiery shoal]

iirc there was special logitech bfv products

[arctic grove]

They rather be selling specialist skins tbh

[fiery shoal]

yep

[arctic grove]

yeah there was. I bought one of them

[fiery shoal]

hopefully not the keyboard, that thing is hideous

[arctic grove]

only the headphones

[hidden sand]

It is hilarious how early 2000s that thing looks

God that's ugly

[naive sandal]

The spawn system in this game tho

[hidden sand]

The purple and orange screams 2004

[fiery shoal]

two of my favorite colors that do not go together unless for halloween

[hidden sand]

Yup

[fiery shoal]

but yea, i have the superlight, fucking stupid good mouse

[tidal hare]

i like g502

i like heavy mouse

[tidal hare]

yeah pretty much

because if i use light mouse it would just sling out of my hand

[fiery shoal]

sensor and clicks are good, so as long as you like it have at it, i personally cant stand heavy mice, especially for my low sens gaming

[tidal hare]

which i accidently done when i dont have my g502

[fiery shoal]

i just get more control pads/mouse feet to help keep it stable

[tidal hare]

yeah my mouse sens is very high

[mental delta]

"Yeah you all got fucked, but hey, we have a battlepass for you to buy rn go to AOW!"

[fiery shoal]

i about 17" to do a 360 in game

[tidal hare]

idk about 2042

but in d2 my sens is 10cm for 360

[fiery shoal]

my god...

[tidal hare]

about 4inch

wait no

its a lot lower

i think it is 3 or 1.6 cm i forgot which ruler i used

let me check my 2042 edpi

[fiery shoal]

i cant even

17" is fast for me, i was at 21" when i was "seriously" gaming

[arctic grove]

GO BUY THAT LEGENDARY SUNDANCE SKIN

[mental delta]

What smokes me with this skin is that it's only designed to be playable on Breakaway

[tidal hare]

@fiery shoal whats your edpi

(dpi*ingame sens)

[mental delta]

You'll get spotted from 150 meters away on every other map

[hidden sand]

DICE should have never, NEVER split Portal and AoW the way they did.

[mental delta]

It was dumb and I still don't get why we don't see all Portal weapons in AOW (except 1942 ones maybe)

[fiery shoal]

is that how that works? my dpi is at 1200 and in game sens for 2042 is 4

[sweet barn]

because its year 2042 not 2002

those are old ass guns

[hidden sand]

Nah, it's less of that, and more so why didn't they give the options to combine content from different eras.

[arctic grove]

Indeed

[tidal hare]

my ingame sodial on foot sens is 57.1
my dpi is 3300

[hidden sand]

Era locking content hurt Portal, because while there is SO much of it, you can only use a handful at a time.

[tidal hare]

but i have a lot of modifier for the ads modifier

[arctic grove]

You want this for portal right? Not AOW?

[tidal hare]

ads sens is 50.1 iirfc

and i have a lot of scope zoom sens modifier

[fiery shoal]

WTFFFFFFF

[mental delta]

BFBFC2 soldiers and vehicles with BF3 and BFBC2 weapons

[fiery shoal]

how do you play like that?

you sneeze and do a 180

[hidden sand]

Yeah, Portal.

[tidal hare]

https://imgur.com/a/fiBGQ69

my ads zoom sens

[late scarab]

Am I missing something? How do I change the fire mode on Xbox from Full Auto to Burst?

[next onyx]

My sens is 34.1 at 1600.

Or something round that.

[arctic grove]

That's lame. 2042 is near future. They should keep doing what they are doing and add new variants of older weapons, or fictional future weapons to fit the era. Don't just haphazardly add whatever gun to aow

[tidal hare]

my ads zoom sens reduce things by a lot

[hidden sand]

ADS, and down on the d-pad.

[arctic grove]

AOW is 2042

[hidden sand]

Is it called a d-pad actually?

I have no idea

[late scarab]

ADS?

I'm pressing down on the D-Pad, but it doesn't change 🤔

[hidden sand]

Aim down sights

[tidal hare]

but even if it halves my sens

it is still 1600*25

[late scarab]

Oh wow

You hero haha

Thanks

[hidden sand]

Np

It was hold down Y or Triangle for BFV, to change fire modes

[tidal hare]

which i think majority of my sens is over 50 so it is probs still higher

[hidden sand]

But keeping good accessibility features is not DICEs motto

[mental delta]

Agree with that, problem is that they don't add 2042 weapons either, so they could at least give us Portal weapons

[arctic grove]

They are adding more weapons

[mental delta]

I still don't see them though ?

[mossy badge]

add plasma gun and needler

[arctic grove]

I mean they are adding them with future seasons lol

[arctic grove]

D pad down

Also they said they are adding BF3 shit to portal

[arctic grove]

could be a bug

[hidden sand]

No, they didn't

Just the A-10 and Frogfoot for season 1

They're not sure on any plans for future Portal content

https://i.redd.it/jvlw6iwq08491.png

[mental delta]

It's unlikely to happen and for AOW adding 2 weapons per season isn't enough considering the amount of weapons

[arctic grove]

What im really curious about is the fact about the next battlefield campaign. Will it be based on 2042 specialists? Will it be Bad company 3? who knows.

Apex getting a campaign based on its specialists.

[hidden sand]

I could see the next BF being a BC3/Remake of a game

Just to go "Look we've listened! Here's classic BF!"

[arctic grove]

I see dice making a 2042 campaign

[hidden sand]

lol

[mental delta]

Why would it be based on 2042's specialists ?

[arctic grove]

And they throw in specialists

[hidden sand]

I would be shocked if the thing DICE gathered from this is that people want a SP LOL

[arctic grove]

Its just a possibilty but dice did say they wanted to expand on the 2042 universe.

[hidden sand]

Campaigns aren't BFs thing

I have no clue why they would waste time on that

[slate needle]

???

bf3 bf4
bad company

all had enjoyable campaigns

[arctic grove]

bad company had it right tho. had a badass campaign and a fun multiplayer

[hidden sand]

None of the campaigns were good imo.

[hexed mango]

bf4 campaign sucked so hard cause of hannah

[arctic grove]

bf4 was a miss but it had potential

[hexed mango]

true

[hidden sand]

Story was very poor in all of them, the gameplay was just point and click these guys, move to this location, point and click these guys, super boring.

[hexed mango]

and tbh i like campaigns but i’m also ok without it

[slate needle]

battlefield is literally point and click these guys

[hidden sand]

BF has always been about the MP so I don't see why add a SP.

[slate needle]

thats the whole point of an fps

[hidden sand]

No it isn't.

[arctic grove]

But Apex tho. They wasting time and money on a campaign story.

[hidden sand]

BF campaigns were literally just move here, click, move here, click. There was nothing to spice up the gameplay at all.
It would be fine if the stories were actually good, but they're not.

[mental delta]

Only with this game but when the lore is already fucked up, I don't see why they would continue with it

[hidden sand]

Minus BF3s jet mission, which was pretty decent.

But the thing is, I would rather those resources go into what's going to be played by the majority.

[arctic grove]

Its dice my guy. Dont have brutal expectations

[slate needle]

battlefield players when a campaign has you move and click bad guys vs when multiplayer has them move and click bad guys (sometimes a flag goes up on a pole)

[mental delta]

Yeah but I don't get why they would continue with 2042 settings, it would be dumb af and terribly counterproductive

[hexed mango]

wdym, i think it’s pretty interesting, more so than others

[arctic grove]

We gotta wait and see what they do in the next couple of years

[slate needle]

bf4 campaign was fun as hell and set up the cool lore 2042 can have with more development

and campaign for 2042 specifically would be great

[hexed mango]

even if we just get an exodus short film 2, i would be happy

[hidden sand]

MP is real people, there's vehicles and (potentially) good level design, there's gamemodes, etc.

[hexed mango]

hourglass cough cough

😎

[arctic grove]

El Alamein V2

[mental delta]

It was promising at launch but it feels like we won't get new cinematics like Exodus and they gave up HZ which was meant to be their way to update the game's lore

[hidden sand]

You're dumbing down MP intentionally because you can't really argue against my point.
That is literally all BC2 to BF4s campaigns did.

[hexed mango]

almost every map besides manifest and exposure (maybe also orbital idk)

[slate needle]

you're also intentionally dumbing down a campaign lmfao dont be so hypocritical

[hexed mango]

no i’m just stating facts

i’m not for or against campaign

[slate needle]

campaigns have developing stories and characters and building of background world for mp, it can also have great level design

[hidden sand]

That's... literally what happens in BF campaigns.

[slate needle]

campaign supremacy

thats literally what happens 🤓

[hexed mango]

how about we all calm down and realize it’s just a game

[hidden sand]

The stories aren't interesting or well written so what else is there to a campaign?

[hexed mango]

i mean tbh i like 2042’s story, it would be the only one that i would be interested in playing campaign-wise

[hidden sand]

I'm really not sure why it's that big of a deal tbh. It's just my opinion on the story mode.

[arctic grove]

Every battlefield fan boy's dream. I was hoping a bf4.5

[hidden sand]

You don't have to agree.

[hexed mango]

no

[hexed mango]

boring

bf4 sucked

🤡

[arctic grove]

Nice opinion

Cope

[hexed mango]

i mean it really did

it’s just a worse version of bf3

[mental delta]

Me too, when I say BF6 I mean a BF4 kind, along as it's not related to BF2042...

[hidden sand]

The only good thing about BF4 was firearm variety

[mental delta]

Just say you didn't appreciate it and be mature for one time in your life please

[hexed mango]

had a ton of bugs, and they didn’t fix the bugs until they pushed out paid content

[arctic grove]

Bf2-1 was the golden age of battleifeld. It was ahead of its time

[hidden sand]

Levels, vehicles, and customization was blegh.

What about BFV?

[slate needle]

battlefield 4 clears

[hexed mango]

and even though they had a ton of guns, only a few were any good; and they all kinda feel like shit

[hexed mango]

good game, would smash, if only people didn’t forget about how much they hated it when it came out

[next gulch]

BF3 did have WAY better DLC at least

[arctic grove]

Great graphics and gameplay but some maps were meh, lacked content, drip fed the community with live service, microtransactions. etc.

[mental delta]

Lmao when it's BF2042 you just say "it's ok they need time you guys aren't patient" but when it's BF4 they are wrong for not fixing it 3 months after release

You can't even be objective

[hexed mango]

Micro transactions were in other battlefield games

[hexed mango]

it took more than 3 months aswell for that, and sure i clap for them, but i hate that they pushed paid content before fixing it because they wanted to do the dlc cycle

[arctic grove]

Valid but not as much as it is now. Bf2042 looks like a knock off cod with its store

[hexed mango]

in 2042 they took the time they needed before generating content to feed the masses

[arctic grove]

Nobody wanted to be fed cosmetics

[hexed mango]

better than pay to win

[hexed mango]

ok?

[mental delta]

They probably didn't have any choices to throw in DLC before fixing the game, the system wasn't as flexible as a battlepass one

[mental delta]

Yeah they took so much time we didn't see a lot of content yet while it has been 8 months since release

[hexed mango]

true but they could of bothered to fix it first still…
idk as much as people hate on 2042 for being buggy, they forget about 4 being basically the same
and it’s not that i completely hate 4, that’s probably my most played bf game besides 2042, it’s just that if you try comparing them it doesn’t make sense

[hexed mango]

yeah but it was far less buggy, and generally more playable. if they had released more content but less bug fixes nobody would continue playing

[mental delta]

Maybe they didn't paid the game 100 bucks and maybe it hadn't been sold as "the best game in the franchise ever" before release

[hexed mango]

what?

both games were only $60

which is a standard

[mental delta]

People won't play it for months neither if they don't hurry to add new content

[hexed mango]

i’ve been, and there’s generally more people playing it now then there were 3 months after launch

[mental delta]

Yeah but you had enough content for what you paid, 70 bucks were the minimum for BF2042 but it didn't have campaign and only had 22 weapons at launch

[hexed mango]

plus i don’t think this argument is going anywhere anytime soon

[hexed mango]

but it also has portal and hz

again we’re not going anywhere with this

https://tenor.com/view/argument-arguments-wall-gif-24157549

[mental delta]

Because season 1 kicked in but if season 2 is exactly like season 1 the game won't have more players

[mental delta]

HZ got cancelled and Portal won't have any new content maybe so...

[hexed mango]

tbh based purely on hype it will, but sustainability sure
and they did say that s2 would have more content, s1 was less because of the bug fixes

[still vault]

I don't expect the 60 currency for AAA games to be a thing anymore. 2042 was typically like 70 or something like that. I would also expect games to have more varied prices going forward, especially since monetization is all over the place.

[hexed mango]

HZ got an update in 1.1 and it is still playable

[hexed mango]

i bought it for $60 and upgraded later to ultimate

but i see what you mean

[mental delta]

Where did they say that ?

[still vault]

Nothing wrong with getting it cheaper than average 🙂

[mental delta]

But it won't get any new update

[hexed mango]

in the briefing after s1 launched

[hexed mango]

sure but it’s still playable

[mental delta]

I didn't see that tbh

[hexed mango]

i also had a $50 gift card so technically i got it for $10 then upgraded to ultimate to even it out

[mental delta]

Paying 60 bucks for a shitty game is frightening and not everybody can afford it

[hexed mango]

not when you genuinely enjoy it

[still vault]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that

[foggy halo]

Not true

[mental delta]

Yeah enjoying a shitty game... that totally makes sense 👍

[hexed mango]

it is

[hexed mango]

from my point of view it isn’t a shitty game, sorry you can’t deal with that, but you don’t need to be in the 2042 channel so it’s not my problem

[wide shore]

I enjoy 2042. Not always. But that can be said for any FPS

[hexed mango]

i enjoy it most on thursdays

[mental delta]

What ? I wasn't talking about 2042, I was saying you can't enjoy a shitty game in a general way wtf ?

[arctic grove]

2042 is not only not shit, it's fantastic and a lot of fun. I find that people who don't like it either have a ton of glitches and stuff, or are dogshit at the game

[foggy halo]

There are beauty standards. Saying anything else is just excusing compromising

[arctic grove]

I enjoy 2042 infantry gameplay more than any other BF

[hexed mango]

ok but the literal relevance to the topic of conversation was on 2042

[foggy halo]

In a way that’ll not offend others

[hexed mango]

eh no

[hexed mango]

skill issue for them

[mental delta]

I was talking to Carbonic about not being happy when you buy a 60 bucks game you don't like, wasn't even talking about BF2042

[foggy halo]

Prove it

[arctic grove]

Just return it

Damn we live in a society where you can get all your money back in 3-5 business days

[hexed mango]

a blind person

[next onyx]

The game was horrid at launch and I don't blame people for hating the game and still feeling the sentiment.

The game is getting better.

[foggy halo]

Lol

[next onyx]

But fuck it's put a massive damper on everyone's spirits.

[hexed mango]

i’m not wrong am i?

[arctic grove]

It's a wip and still a blast to play.

[mental delta]

It's difficult to get rid of a bad image a game got at launch

[hexed mango]

cyberpunk

[arctic grove]

As a PS5 guy, shit was good even in launch lol

[still vault]

Lets business it up a bit then. Economic utility refers to the total satisfaction received from consuming a good or service. A consumer's utility is impossible to measure and quantify - thus it's subjective - this relates more or less directly to the saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" when it comes to goods or services.

[next onyx]

I remember when bf5 had that and when they were doing some good for the game. Hearing people just say hey bf5 sounds good it made me happy.

[arctic grove]

Copying definitions from Google is high iq

[mental delta]

Huh ? The game didn't really get rid of his bad image, I still see lot of people shitting on it

[next onyx]

First impressions count.

[solar tinsel]

Devil's advocate: there are beauty standards, but those standards are just a construct of society anyway. Twilight Zone, Eye of the Beholder.

[next onyx]

No matter what.

[hexed mango]

yet all the reviews on steam are good

[arctic grove]

2042 > BF3

Based

[solar tinsel]

boo haha

[arctic grove]

2042 best battlefield

Based

[solar tinsel]

Is that a thing people do these days? Say based to yourself? Im not up on the lingo haha

[arctic grove]

Yes

[mental delta]

And so ? That doesn't mean the game didn't get an horrible release and that no people are still shitting on it

[hexed mango]

based.

[arctic grove]

Based

Skill issue

[next onyx]

No matter how well this game ends up. The public perception is that the past two battlefields have been fuck ups.

[wide shore]

Cyberpunk just shouldn’t have gotten announced as early as it did. The longer you let fans sit on an idea without showing them what the game will be like creates tons of expectations and blind hype. Cyberpunk was and still is really good, especially narrative wise. But it allowed itself to get too hyped. Fallout 4 did its hype period perfectly. I wish more studios would do that.

[hexed mango]

but it means a majority are enjoying it

[arctic grove]

Cyberpunk was marketed to hell and back with shit it just didn't deliver on

[foggy halo]

The thing about beauty is that it has evolutional origins, so therefore everyone has them unless they actively fanatically try to force otherwise

[arctic grove]

I think it's a different case than 2042.

[mental delta]

Fallout 4 didn't upset players at launch ?

[elder patrol]

Spaghetti

[next onyx]

I've been hearing good things about cyberpunk from the sweeping public. Probably worth a go now.

[next onyx]

Yes.

[hexed mango]

didn’t i recommend it to you

like a week ago

[arctic grove]

Despite the "dice lies waaaa" bullshit, they gave us exactly what we were told we were gonna get

[next onyx]

Mh maybe Echo.

[solar tinsel]

or enough time has passed, or based on where you are

[mental delta]

Not a majority necessarily, that just means that most of people who played give a good review on steam and that people who didn't like it are not giving a review at all

[wide shore]

It did. But first time it was shown it showed a deep gameplay dive. Then was released within 5 months. Fans knew almost exactly what they were getting and didn’t have any down time to create ideas in their head.

[hexed mango]

i think i asked if you played it, then when you said no, i said you should

i don’t remember much

[mental delta]

The game was perfectly fine to me, the best Fallout I played and my expectations weren't necessarily really high tbh

[next onyx]

For some reason that reminds me about the doom 4 alpha poetic.

And the reveal.

[solar tinsel]

I just recently got it a few month ago. On PS5, after 1.52 (latest update). Finished the main story. It was fine, glad I ddint pay full price

[next onyx]

We knew what we were getting straight up.

[solar tinsel]

If someone likes Bethesda style games, theyd probably like CP2077

[next onyx]

Yeah people are more stingy with money these days cause why should we buy a broken product when they can fix it later.

Really that's it.

Very little need to care.

[mental delta]

I tried the 5 hours trial and I liked the intro it was perfect af, btw the intros are different according to the faction you choose when you launch the game the first time right ?

[hexed mango]

probably why i lied it so much

[wide shore]

Pretty much how I felt about it.

[hexed mango]

you get 3 choices to start the game

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, I assume so. I only did one playthrough

[hexed mango]

which determines a starting mission and specific dialog paths

[solar tinsel]

But the intro levels would likely be all different

[wide shore]

Only much more player choice and a better story than most bethesda games

[solar tinsel]

Agree, plus atmosphere/environment

[mental delta]

Yeah and I guess the intro is different with every faction ?

[hexed mango]

yes

[mental delta]

I al waiting for the game to be in sales before I buy it

[solar tinsel]

definitely do

[hexed mango]

it was just on sale lmao

[mental delta]

Ok good

[solar tinsel]

I think I paid $20 or $25 for it

[mental delta]

Not everyone plays on PC though 🙄

[solar tinsel]

I'll say this, like with most Bethesda games though for me, I was ready for the game to be over with if that makes sense

[hexed mango]

true my bad

[hexed mango]

oh really?

[solar tinsel]

I love Night City as an environment. I honestly think it suffers a little bit from "overloading the open world" between all of the side jobs and stuff it can offer lots of ways to play, but by some point I was like, ok let me get the story over with

yeah

[hexed mango]

i had a lot of fun through to the end

[solar tinsel]

I cant explain why that is exactly in all fairness

[mental delta]

I will

[hexed mango]

i finished the game in like 17 hours, but i still have a bunch to do in it

[solar tinsel]

a game like Mass Effect, I never wanted those to end (even Andromeda ha) but Fallout 4, Cyberpunk, I was ready to be done with

[solar tinsel]

I might have oversaturated myself with the side stuff

I didn't do everything, but I did a lot

I probably put 50-60hrs into it or something

One of the reasons why I might of gotten burnt out was, I admittedly did not like city traversal

Driving felt clunky on a controller, and fast travel was nice but walking from FT to wherever I needed to go was a bit annoying

I only recently finished it, so I still might fire it up to finish some more of the side quests and level up a bit more, but I won't be heartbroken if I stop suddenly either

I at least got the main story done

[mossy badge]

if you guys looking for a co op game I will suggest you monster hunter world and rise

stalker 2 is looking like a cool game but I only see it being single player , how cool it could be if it was co op , PvP multiplayer

but I am still excited to play stalker 2

🏳️ 🕊️

[mental delta]

Play payday 2

[silk surge]

Stealth heli doesnt need a nerf

[mossy badge]

I played it a little bit but it doesn't have atmosphere like stalker

[hexed mango]

no not at all

[fiery shoal]

https://www.amazon.com/Battlefield-2042-PC/dp/B096HNG7N6/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1T4ZGY3CHIQMQ&keywords=battlefield+2042&qid=1657629048&sprefix=battlefield+%2Caps%2C197&sr=8-1

why is no one talking about 2042 being 12 bucks?

[hexed mango]

yeah i had a really fun time doing some side missions that eventually ran into main story stuff, || aka rogue and panam/nomads||

[solar tinsel]

I enjoyed that stuff for sure

[serene pawn]

Anybody else getting constantly disconnected from the servers today after a match?

[hexed mango]

i only did the latter of the two, which gave me one of the special endings to the game

[solar tinsel]

Really makes you wonder: if the Stealth Chopper was meant to be the "hard to hit" chopper, why they would give it essentially some of the best weapons in the game. Almost makes sense to give it the HMG only, and no bombs. Maybe some other sort of disruptive attack, like give the pilot an EMP attack too.

[hexed mango]

it shouldn’t have IR missiles; it should be air to ground only/mainly, no air to air besides its cannons
also no flares

[solar tinsel]

Yeah we did the same ending line. I did some story lines prior to finishing ||(Judy/River)|| and some I've been working on now after the fact ||(Rogue/Kerry)||

[mental delta]

Yeah definitely not lol

[solar tinsel]

makes sense

[edgy oriole]

[pseudo lake]

Do you no longer get mentioned at end of round for having most assists? Have gotten #1 assists many times but never get shown at end of game, looks like it was replaced by most kills?

[solar tinsel]

Its random per match

or some algorithim determines it

I still think Most Assists can be highlighted

[pseudo lake]

Ohh gotcha I just haven’t seen it yet since last update so thought it was removed from highlights. Even when I got like 100-150 assists I don’t get shown at end

[edgy oriole]

What bundle is rn. Is it Sundance? I don't remember if I did weekly and bought the bundle

[quiet shell]

Because people aren't getting the game fresh in large numbers. Most are returning players

[tame cobalt]

Sundance skin is the only good thing in new bundle, might as well just get the sundance skin alone for cheaper

[next onyx]

Was thinking that earlier.

[edgy oriole]

I got just the m5 skin for the all vehicle bundle. Just get what you like. Don't let Corp money tricks get you.

[next onyx]

I just want some damn scar skin.

[edgy oriole]

I want Falck bundle

[next onyx]

Haha.

I just want something that's worth it.

But I feel that sentiment..

A skin that makes her younger would be cool..

[modest ivy]

[arctic grove]

Because even at that price, the game's total trash reputation means most smart gamers will run, not walk, away from the steaming pile of fecal matter that is 2042

[fiery shoal]

o wow, youre cool

[flat marsh]

is there a way to farm flack mastery fast ?

[arctic grove]

Well thanks for noticing.

[hidden sand]

Speaking of the scar. How would you want them to incentivize the M5 over the Scar?

[hexed mango]

sundance

[hexed mango]

M5 can be used for more... depends on how you play thats all

[hexed mango]

agism

[outer dock]

I mean, just play her and shoot the syringe pistol and you'll get her done in no time

[hexed mango]

just play.

[outer dock]

Also play her on breakthrough

[hexed mango]

^

or rush

[flat marsh]

okay i knew at the beginning you could farm mastery for guns and champions in the solo modes

[hexed mango]

you could do hers in solo to, but that's boring and lame and not really that beneficial

[flat marsh]

i tried it today but it doesn't work for me with guns and champions

[hexed mango]

champions?!??!?!?

you can only do it up to T3 (mastery 12)

[bronze steeple]

M5 way better then sfar

[wide shore]

Falck is one of the easiest T1

Though she was insanely easier when 128BT was a thing

Now Lis’ T1. That’s been fun so far

I have just about 200 Vehicle Destroys with her

[hidden sand]

Falck is kind of annoying to do heals with on last gen.

Input delay + AA makes using her med gun a pain.

[wide shore]

Her syringe gun’s auto lock doesn’t do very well

Even on current Gen

[slate needle]

rao t1 has to be the easiest

[bronze steeple]

all helis need a nerf because things like this happen yesterday some guy in hannibal 2 maps in a row 90-2 so they change the whole game just a single person can make or break a game its rediculous if you ask me

Remove canons from air vehicles

[little lagoon]

Ah, you're one of those

[little lagoon]

Pak is easiest I think

[vivid nacelle]

I just switched sides mid game, didnt know thats possible

[rich wyvern]

When will they do the next weapon rebalance - some things are pointless to use vs others (BSV-M needs nerfing and Sentry Gun has been made useless to name a few of many)

[rich wyvern]

Limited number of flares/chaff per life

[arctic grove]

Yes, I'm a BF player with 3k hours played in BF4, 1500 in Hardline(i know, lol!) 2500 or so in BF3, and probably another couple thousand hours mixed over BF1 and BF5...
And yes, I was foolish enough to think that finally Dice and EA had managed to release a full game...
My bad for pre-ordering.
Like tens of thousands of other BF players, we've learned a lesson on that.

[still vault]

!!r10 welcome to being active on the server, since you are new I would just like to make sure you have read our rules, especially rule 10. Thanks

[tender pendant]

Rule 10 Do not harass users who express enjoyment for the franchise. You're free to express your opinion (positive or negative) in a constructive manner, however disrupting the chat and abusing users who have their personal views won't be tolerated. Constructive criticism & feedback is always encouraged, spreading toxicity while providing no useful, constructive feedback is not allowed. Our full stance on this type of conduct can be found here: #server-news message

[still vault]

#battlefield-legacy-titles is an excellent place to discuss previous Battlefield games

[arctic grove]

Hey... he asked why the huge price drop wasn't getting noticed more.
I gave him a straight, non-fanboi answer.

[mental delta]

You played BF4 for 125 fucking days ?

[arctic grove]

Yeah

[mental delta]

You only play Battlefield ?

[arctic grove]

Still do actually, and its still the better game, better maps, weapons, etc

Nope, several games

But BF4 all the way back to release

And if anything, the time in Hardline is the real embarrassing one ;)

[bronze steeple]

👆 just 1

[mental delta]

How did you get the time to play thousand hours on all BF games

[mental delta]

This game was good I just don't get how you found servers on this one

[arctic grove]

Cause I've played some of them for YEARS

[rich wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-rofl-lol-funny-hilarious-gif-16308002

[mental delta]

Ho ok

[bronze steeple]

Dude shut up

[arctic grove]

Get over it Sander, I've already moved on in the dicussion

[still vault]

No inappropriate hostile behavior plz

[bronze steeple]

Just stop complain and go play bf4 then there are people who do like bf2042

[arctic grove]

Ah so fanbois only? Kthx

[bronze steeple]

Its boys not bois

[arctic grove]

Bah, you young'uns...

It used to be bois ;)

[mental delta]

I mean we can complain 100% as long as we do it with arguments and politely

[bronze steeple]

[still vault]

its båiz

[bronze steeple]

Lol

[arctic grove]

Perhaps Carb!

[mental delta]

You mean crab lol ?

[little lagoon]

..cool? I guess.

[bronze steeple]

[modest ivy]

lol

[hexed mango]

lel halo has 2k on steam

[bronze steeple]

👆

[arctic grove]

4300 for bf2042, raging success!

[uncut bay]

no idea why 343 thinks they can get by with another 6 month season

with two maps lmao

[hexed mango]

better than it was 3 months ago lmao

[fiery shoal]

• on steam only

theres literally 5 total sources for 2042 to get players from

[hexed mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQvyXGpJZlw

[fiery shoal]

its absolutely concerning how invested/attached people are to gaming franchises

[uncut bay]

lmao i remember that video

[sweet gale]

hello

[uncut bay]

was good to have halo on top for a while

shame it failed to keep up

[hexed mango]

im glad 2042 has been going

[placid echo]

It's nice but I don't like seeing halo fail

[hexed mango]

true, but i'd rather 2042 win :)

@dusky hearth how do you feel about that

[placid echo]

btw kinda funny to see two different alarm clocks for two different people

[hexed mango]

ikr

[placid echo]

Please don't ping people who aren't actively discussing in the server

[dusky hearth]

I would like halo to fall so that they can stop milking the franchise for all of it's money till the last cent

[fiery shoal]

i just hope every mp game has enough players to have full lobbies, anyone wishing anything else is a sadistic fuck that should rethink their lives

[dusky hearth]

either Halo fall and microsoft give up on it, or microsoft give the franchise away to a more competent studio

because 343 has proved again and again that they always have to screw something up

[hexed mango]

ok damn

[prime bough]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-boxer-uses-face-to-bury-hot-dog-bun-dog-huh-what-gif-17688508

[fiery shoal]

i mean... at the same time its completely f2p so theres literally no loss if the games they make are even outright bad...

let alone good but lacking content

[placid echo]

Yeah, you can have a negative opinion on a game but wishing ill upon it for just your subjective take is strange

[dusky hearth]

But there needs to be profit

[hexed mango]

i dont wish for halo to fail, for the sake of the players
i'm just happy as to the situation with 2042 currently

[dusky hearth]

I am certain halo infinite made no profit

it had a massive budget

and now there are barely any players

[hexed mango]

mainly as to how the reviews are going up [not 100% perfect, but nicer than mostly negative]

{2k of the last 4k reviews are positive}

[fiery shoal]

this is a perspective of the consumer

[dusky hearth]

You mean the seller right?

[fiery shoal]

no.. my topic was about the consumer

[dusky hearth]

oh my bad

[fiery shoal]

as long as devs/pubs make enough to keep people hired and keep a franchise going thats my only concern in regards to them

[hexed mango]

Bassouli + L + bozo + absolute 🤡

[placid echo]

As long as game is fun, I'll play it

Behavior please

[dusky hearth]

I would like to say something but there is a high liklehood of my message being deleted

[hexed mango]

pandachan

[dusky hearth]

tq %#Ag[]

[hexed mango]

hehehehhaw

[fiery shoal]

i just dont get people complaining that halo fell off, like bruh, you didnt have to pay ANYTHING for it so whats the big deal?

its like peoples enjoyment of a title is directly tied to its (perceived) popularity?

[dusky hearth]

Maybe it's hardcore fans that have been with the franchise for many years not liking the fact they are seeing it crumbling from mismanagement right by their eyes

[fiery shoal]

idk, its a video game, one of millions, play something else and move on?

[placid echo]

Even free to play games need some kind of extra engagement

[dusky hearth]

I agree with you that some people think like that, but in a lot of people's eyes, the game is just not good

[fiery shoal]

still free so the only thing loss is download data cap, storage and whatever time you put into it

[dusky hearth]

Yeah that is an alternative, but if you could provide criticism towards the developer, they might listen to it for the future

[placid echo]

I think MCC in its entirety being on game pass didn't help

[fiery shoal]

i dont think meme takes like "lul halo fell hard" in a bf chat is going to be criticism devs can even find let alone listen to...

[dusky hearth]

Ok

[placid echo]

Anyways, we can start moving on 😅

[fiery shoal]

nerf BSV

shits broken

[hexed mango]

nerf stealth heli

[fiery shoal]

i went from roughly 40-20 to roughly 60-20 just switching to BSV

[hexed mango]

undo the nerf on the nightbird, buff the apache

[placid echo]

Well, well, well, uhh I took out a squad of BFV comp players with a spray with it and i'm nowhere near as good

[fiery shoal]

with the BSV you killed a squad of better players than you?

[placid echo]

By myself

[fiery shoal]

if only they had the BSV themselves

before i unlocked the BSV i consistently lost to that weapon

[lament nacelle]

Hello!
Why I can't change number of tickets in team dm? if you do it through "Rule Editor" players will lose XP. It's so stange

[placid echo]

I think any mode that has the rules editor automatically sets it to restricted

Hopefully in the future it gets changed

[lament nacelle]

yes, but it's very strange that I can't change it without an editor

For example I can set number of players in lobby 128, so the game with max kills: 200, will finish very shortly 🙂

[hexed mango]

yeah its just not currently a feature. the editor for portal needs a bunch of work.

[lament nacelle]

yeah, also it's strange that I can't turn off aim assist or team kill without loosing player's exp 🙂
I don't think that with these functions you can find some kind of experience abuse

[hexed mango]

actually you can, it might say moderate in the web browser, but it doesnt restrict ingame

that's also broken

for example. this server with all these tags is still full xp

[lament nacelle]

oh, I thought that these could work only for some game modes 🙂
I just testing everything on team dm

Oh, devs have a lot of work with portal

[hexed mango]

yeah ripple effect needs to setup it up lmao

[drowsy shuttle]

is the new scope bugged on the AC42? or is not supposed to be there? cause im pretty sure i got the notification saying i unlocked it but i don't see it in the attachments

[hexed mango]

its bugged for every gun

i unlocked it on the SVK and cant use it

[drowsy shuttle]

ah ok

hope its fixed in the next update, along side the sundance grenades. im tired of throwing the anti-armor and its the frag granade... the icons bugs out sometimes....

[hexed mango]

i can confidently say they know about this issue

[drowsy shuttle]

yeah im sure they know, im just saying i hope its included in the august update

[hexed mango]

honestly HC rush is both super fun and super annoying, and i love it

[hidden sand]

Just because it's free doesn't mean you can't criticize the quality of it. You need genuine substance in order to keep people interested, even if the game is free.

[fiery shoal]

100% criticize it, but to feel like you are owed anything for a completely free title is just weird

[uneven belfry]

what the hell is going on with my weapons? i reload say a magazine that holds 41 rounds and it reloads up to 40 so i have to do it twice to get the full cap.

[hidden sand]

I think it's more about the standard that has been set for quality on mainline, triple A games.

Not that people feel owed.

[hexed mango]

the extra bullet is the one loaded. you reload it twice because once you've reloaded the 40 rounds the first time, a bullet goes into the chamber, when you reload again, you have 1 in the chamber, and 40 in the mag = 41

[hidden sand]

There are 100% people like that though, not saying otherwise

[arctic grove]

Brutal expectations Sorry i had to make a joke

[fiery shoal]

ehh, its a situation where the only thing loss is storage space and time, if it doesnt work out for you just move on and play something else

[uneven belfry]

wouldn't expect such attention to detail

[hidden sand]

I mean it all comes from a place of people caring about the series and wanting it to be fixed

[hexed mango]

this has been in battlefield for years.

[uneven belfry]

never noticed

[fiery shoal]

im sure there are some people like that, but its hard to say that scenario is there for the people that are in a completely irrelevant discord to the game and just putting out meme takes about the title

[hidden sand]

Ye I was just talking in gen

Cause I agree with you on the scenario here

[hexed mango]

tf is the benefit of high power

[fiery shoal]

its like the positive or the negatives are to lesser degrees

or higher degrees

HP could get +10 to vehicle armor while the other gets +5

[hexed mango]

wish it said that

[grave prism]

does subsonic ammo remove the damage direction like in 5 ?

[copper fulcrum]

If it's equipped with certain suppressors

I know it does that with the BSVM

[uneven belfry]

oh god damn BSVM

in the past 24h this is the only thing that killed me

apart from stealth choppers

[copper fulcrum]

It's really just over-popular

[uneven belfry]

its only bsvm

i can counter anything with my mp9 but that wepon

next time i see that thing on kill cam iam jumping off the 3rd floor

[hexed mango]

send me a vid

[uneven belfry]

you got it

[hexed mango]

TREE

[uneven belfry]

i love trees

there so nice

[fiery shoal]

this was my experience until i got the bsv myself xD

[uneven belfry]

just when you think you can go over them you get stuck and some 4th dimension god with c5 blows you up

[hidden sand]

I barely encounter the BSV

[uneven belfry]

you have to sinpe like 300 kills

to get the good setup

[fiery shoal]

its just 300 kills in total, just run the extended CQC rounds and treat it as an smg

[uneven belfry]

what gun are you using

[fiery shoal]

lucky, its either use it or lose to it, the only chance to beat it is extreme sniping range or close range vs close range smgs

i even feel like the pbx loses to the bsv under 20m

[hidden sand]

It could be a last gen thing because I do encounter it constantly on PC.

[uneven belfry]

you need 270 for the grip 180 for ammo and 90 for the barrel

[hidden sand]

I use whatever, I don't stick to a single weapon.

[fiery shoal]

extended hp ammo is 300 isnt it?

[uneven belfry]

when ill die ill check

[fiery shoal]

hard to read but its 330

[uneven belfry]

well you can use close combat

for 270 untill you get this

[fiery shoal]

hell even the 10 round high power ammo is still good, you just gotta be careful with angles and reloads

bsv is a 9.5/10 weapon without the hp extended rounds, with it its 10/10

[uneven belfry]

i like the mp9 with cobra grip close combat ammo and fusion hold scope it does the job

and then 6ku suppressor

[fiery shoal]

those are monsters up close, but quickly fall off over 30m

bsv is a monster from 10-100m

wait i lie.. 150m

(3 shots up to 150m)

under 20m id say ONLY smgs can consistently beat it, and thats just barely

everywhere else BSV is best in slot, thats absurd

8/10 close range, 10/10 up to 150m...

[uneven belfry]

its very annoying

[echo yew]

play for the first time in 2 weeks

join match

[uneven belfry]

whenever ur minding ur business and you die instant

[echo yew]

all i get to see is the end screen

sasuga daisu

[uneven belfry]

true

[echo yew]

cant wait for mw2

108 days remain

[fiery shoal]

doesnt help the bfv can 2 tap if you land one headshot up to 150m too afaik

theres times im just astonished how fast someone dropped

[hexed mango]

this isnt 4chan

[echo yew]

your favorite game is a 2/10

2042 fanboys copium

[arctic grove]

https://www.dsogaming.com/mods/battlefield-1942-gets-a-high-definition-remaster-graphics-overhaul-mod/ Reasons why the bf community is underrated

[fiery shoal]

hell ride retribution is a legit 2/10 game... not 2042

[echo yew]

man you guys have low standards

[hexed mango]

tetris kale

[echo yew]

no wonder ea gets away with this

[warm crater]

do people even play hazard zone

[echo yew]

(and activision)

(and 343i)

[fiery shoal]

its not about low standards, its about being objective and not falling for internet trends of being exaggerative to fit in

[warm crater]

I still play just cause

If I combined 3 and 4 I’d get around 1500 hours

[echo yew]

trust me it's not exaggerated

no reason why multi million dollar corporations should not be held to the highest possible standards

[fiery shoal]

it 100% is, there are objectively horrible games like hell ride retribution that are genuinely 2/10 games, then theres a disappointing bf title in 2042 that is nowhere near the "quality" of hellride that dont deserve that same score

[onyx vault]

"trust you"? On... what? the quality of the game everyone here plays? I dunno. That's a weird thing to say.

You use that phrase on things we haven't tried.

[hexed mango]

trust me,
continues bullshit

[fiery shoal]

thats not how "reviews" work, you dont give a 7/10 game a 5/10 because it came from a wealthy company and give the same exact game a 9/10 because it came from an indie dev.... thats just dumb

is it more impressive if a game comes from a smaller company? for sure, doesnt change the games score...

[onyx vault]

If your argument is "EA takes advantage of consumers' trust", I'd agree with that.

[echo yew]

I'm not saying that, a 4/10 is a 4/10 indie or AAA, but i sorta get a small inexperienced indie team being unable to put out a game over a 4/10, but an AAA company, specially when it's with dumb design choices and a bad launch it's like "seriously?"

[onyx vault]

Your starting point is us believing the game was a 4/10.

(or lower)

[drowsy shuttle]

i think its a 5/10 (at least at this state)

[fiery shoal]

absolutely no indie team is putting out any game like any BF title, hell even other AAA dont even really try, the closest thing is likely fortnite...

[onyx vault]

I'd give it at least a 7/10 in current state. Maybe 5/10 at start.

[echo yew]

when you release a good reveal and gameplay trailer, claim that "it's not a project in trouble" after it's delayed by 3 weeks) no shit the internet is gonna freak out

[fiery shoal]

id say 5-7/10 is a fair score

[echo yew]

i still think it's a 4/10, 2/10 at launch

[fiery shoal]

absolutely none of that has to do with its objective score though...

literally what is this logic?

[drowsy shuttle]

na, still too many bugs and lack of content... but has potencial (if EA and Dice decide to invest in the game) to be an 8/10 at least.

[fiery shoal]

if your score of a game is influenced by if it got delayed, a cool trailer and someone lying then you are way too easily influenced

thats like saying BOTW shouldnt be considered a masterpiece because it got delayed xD

wtf

[echo yew]

i did not explain correctly

[onyx vault]

The publisher did the game dirty, and forced it to be released early, it has all the telltale signs of that - but yeah, that does not change the score.

[hexed mango]

wow

[fiery shoal]

2042 is a huge disappointment, i dont recommend it to other people myself, and the launch was jank, still doesnt make it a 2/10 game

[echo yew]

to you

[hexed mango]

its 10x better now than it was at launch
and i dont think it was 2/10 at launch either

[fiery shoal]

so youre rating it 2/10 based on what?

[drowsy shuttle]

but i still think, Battlefield 2042 will go down in history as the most potencial shooter of all time... after those launch trailers i actually believed it had potencial to be game of the year.... really a shame. but i hope at least Dice brings the game into a very good state by the end of season 4, that even if they abandon support, at least we can enjoy it.

[onyx vault]

To what end are you even here, Zesk?

[hexed mango]

to be annoying, probably

[onyx vault]

I would suspect so, but maybe they truly believe they are some missionary of quality gaming - come to save us.

[hexed mango]

[echo yew]

poor launch, very little content, bad map design, poor gameplay, poor performance, bad design choices unfit for the type of game it is

i mean on launch this thing was awful

[copper fulcrum]

lol

[drowsy shuttle]

you're not wrong... but 2/10... come on, buddy... at least at this state is more than that.

[hexed mango]

nobody wants to see my epic play

[fiery shoal]

better than most BF launches... only bf1 and bfv could be considered better, and only slightly...

[echo yew]

at this state i'd say 4.5/10

[fiery shoal]

if dude thinks 2042 launch state was bad...

[onyx vault]

very nice

[hexed mango]

poor launch, sure, but now isnt the launch time
plus, its getting a butt load of content really soon (in terms of guns, and maybe gear aswell)
performance really isnt that bad, atleast not for me.... gameplay is 10/10 for infantry imo.

[echo yew]

it being better than other bad launches does not excuse it being a bad launch

[onyx vault]

I really don't think gameplay overall was ever poor.

[hexed mango]

but it shows how your opinion sucks

[echo yew]

morbius

[fiery shoal]

it being better than other bad launches by definition wouldnt make it bad.. it doesnt make it good either, but acceptable is a degree that can be used

(not saying it was an acceptable launch)

[drowsy shuttle]

i agree about the gun play... i think its where BF shines... but, they need to improve it... and bloom can be really annoying sometimes

[fiery shoal]

you work in extremes, its like you cant pick a word like "ok" or "decent"

things are either bad or great

id say 2042s launch was ok, 6/10.

(thats not a rating to the overall rating of the game at launch either, just in terms of stability/performance at launch)

[edgy oriole]

2042 a 7/10 for me. may jump up if szn 2 good

[hexed mango]

hi gooey :)

[copper fulcrum]

perfect 10

[edgy oriole]

[fiery shoal]

id currently give 2042 a 7/10, a 5/10 at launch

[edgy oriole]

i cant wait until thursday so i can play again tho

[echo yew]

that's you, i don't care if my opinion is extreme or not thats the thing mate, to me it launched as a 2/10 specially looking back at it now, right now it's more than double that at 4.5/10 to me and im sorry, but to me a 7/10 is way too high for a game like this, at least in my standards

[onyx vault]

I still want to know why Zesk is here.

[fiery shoal]

a noble quest from god himself

[echo yew]

was here before launch defending the shit out of this game, dk why im still here

maybe bf7 is good

[fiery shoal]

to save us from the shackles of mediocre games

[hexed mango]

monty python and the holy grail

[echo yew]

(2042 is still doing better than Halo infinite so is there an alternative)

[onyx vault]

Ok, lemme clarify. Why are you here trying to convince people who enjoy the game that this is a 2/10 (or whatever the hell you're arguing at this point)?

[fiery shoal]

what does it matter if 2042 is doing better than halo?

you can 100% choose to not play either game, let people enjoy what they enjoy and move on

[edgy oriole]

whats wrong with halo atm?

[copper fulcrum]

They're two different gameplay styles

[fiery shoal]

lack of content and steam player count is lower than 2042.. for some reason people are getting off on one game or another having a low player count

[drowsy shuttle]

i find it more weird when someone ingame chat says something like "this game is trash" ... like, then why are you playing it? lol i never understand that... when i don't like a game i simply don't play it...

[edgy oriole]

oof.

[copper fulcrum]

Oh baby yes, a video game is doing better than another video game, oh my gawd

[onyx vault]

You mean the first 6 months of this game? Yeah, that was weird.

[echo yew]

fine then

[copper fulcrum]

I love it when my favorite TV show is doing better than "Diners, Drive-ins and Dives"

[sour meadow]

ayo i'm getting fucking instakilled on local servers

[drowsy shuttle]

even nowadays... once in a while i see people in game chat saying the game is shit or something...

[echo yew]

i'll let you enjoy the game with whatever standards you have

[fiery shoal]

its the only way to enjoy your show though... how can you enjoy something if another show is doing better?

[echo yew]

and warp anything i say to fit your narrative

[fiery shoal]

thank you, you are so righteous

[echo yew]

108 days for mw2 so be lookin for that

[onyx vault]

I told you, he was a missionary.

[copper fulcrum]

I saw a level S070 with the name of "2042istrash" or some shit

[onyx vault]

I think there are two of that guy.

[copper fulcrum]

LMAO

[onyx vault]

That play together.

Slightly different names, I THINK.

I could be hallucinating.

[drowsy shuttle]

lol weirdos...

[copper fulcrum]

S070 is a pretty high number for someone who calls the game trash in their username

[fiery shoal]

lets sum up this experience:
zesk came in with a meme take we have all seen a hundred times and they think they will be fit in here and or save us/show us the truth
instead we call him out for his bs and he gets salty and plays the "low standards card"

[onyx vault]

Maybe they're a raccoon.

[copper fulcrum]

Raccoons are the worst

[edgy oriole]

I just wish challenges were harder. im tired of knocking out weeklies in 2 games.

[onyx vault]

They love the trash.

[hexed mango]

cute but devils

[onyx vault]

Yeah, weeklies could use some tweaking. I do love that they inspire some gameplay changes.

[copper fulcrum]

I murdered the shit out of one before

[onyx vault]

The "revive people in smoke" changed the game.

[frank tartan]

does the SO rank start after rank 99

[onyx vault]

yes

[drowsy shuttle]

cod lately is almost a copy paste from previews games... and still has a lot of issues... to be fair i can't say cod is better than bf or bf is better than cod... i prefer bf tho... but my favourite shooter of all time is cod 2

[onyx vault]

COD made me finally realize that the internet was not ready for multiplayer gaming yet.