battlefield-2042

[arctic grove]

plus the maps are incredibly empty and lifeless

[sinful citrus]

Yesss

[slate meadow]

Could that be fixed if you run a repair of the game install maybe easy anti cheat install was bugged

[still vault]

Yeah don't work. Tried multiple installations, even a format.

[grizzled whale]

Probably the aimbot😩

[slate meadow]

I have only played about 20minutes of the game so far but the running across the entire map is already tiresomt

[slate meadow]

Yeah maybe turn off the cheats then 😂

[arctic grove]

you know when even the shills are having problems that the game is bad

[dire quest]

They added more vehicles to fix this

[still vault]

I almost wish it was cheats. Then I would know what causes it. But all I know is that plenty of people have the exact same issue and that is spams multiple titles using EAC.

[grizzled whale]

Thats a rip

[arctic grove]

dice design philosophy right there: just add more vehicles to detract attention from the games horrendous map design

[chilly oak]

new temporyal leak

[slate meadow]

I just hope that season 1 bring better maps better optimization and more content

[arctic grove]

more content is a given, the question is how much content

[dire quest]

At least 2 new maps per game for portal

[daring glade]

I mean optimization has to be done too

[dire quest]

6 maps seems fair

[chilly oak]

for one season?!

bruh

[daring glade]

If even my over 3000 € PC cat run 2042 on 144p on everything maxed ... I mean it's not well optimized💩

[chilly oak]

talk about brutal expectations

[thorny orchid]

4 maps seems good enough

2 portal 2 aow

[arctic grove]

but hey lets downplay it by saying that everyone who says they have issues needs a better cpu

[chilly oak]

1 aow 2 portal

[arctic grove]

because obviously its the players fault for having garbage pcs right

the game is flawlessly optimized

[daring glade]

ahaha 😄 yeah true

[grizzled whale]

Literally NOBODY says that

[still vault]

I have a hard time telling how well it is or isn't optimized. No 128p non-hitscan, proper bullet physics FPS at this size to compare to.

[arctic grove]

and yet when somebody reports performance issues you jump on the bandwagon of "the game is cpu dependant get a better cpu duh" when they got top of the line cpus

[grizzled whale]

Where does that say i think the game is properly optimised?

I say its extremely cpu depenant, which is a fact

[arctic grove]

you are implying that its properly optimized since you advise people to get better cpus

[grizzled whale]

When they CAN upgrade their cpu it WILL increase their performance

[arctic grove]

hence the fault is not the game's but the players'

when lots of people with high end cpus are reporting bad fps since launch

[still vault]

Don't think this was ever about fault

[grizzled whale]

If they can get a better cpu they grt better perrformance, which is a fact.
But that doesnt mean its properly optimised

You are reading what you want to so you can try to shittalk people again

[arctic grove]

the fact that it is so cpu dependant is a telltale sign of poor optimization

[still vault]

We get it, you dont think it's optimized. Lets move on

[daring glade]

if 12900k is not enough to run it i dont know what it is

[arctic grove]

buy a threadripper duh

[daring glade]

😄

[grizzled whale]

And because it cant run it properly its poorly optimised, but theres also people expecting 144fps on 4k with a 7th gen i7

[still vault]

I would imagine the 5800x3d would be the best CPU for 2042 but have seen any benchmarks for 2042 and the 5800x3d

[arctic grove]

my 9th gen top of the line 9700k is having issues and it has great single-threaded performance

[desert elbow]

I disagree, the environments look amazing most of the time. Especially the vegetation, although the main feature which is lacking is the actual detail, kaleidoscope in general seems really clean despite being a city under siege

[daring glade]

yes and understandably so

[grizzled whale]

Your top of the line cpu gets outperformed by my budget i5

[arctic grove]

ok cool, does that mean i have to upgrade every year just to be able to play a shitty unoptimized game?

my 9700k is by no means weak

[dire quest]

Pcs are like consoles, you're supposed to upgrade every year lol

[arctic grove]

not really

[grizzled whale]

No, but upgrading does increase your performance in the game, which is all im saying

[still vault]

Nobody is telling you what to do, we are just giving you options. The rest is up to you.

[arctic grove]

i have had my pc for years and havent had a single performance-related issue on the scale of bf2042

which is a testament to its long-term longevity

[still vault]

ok

[arctic grove]

also what consoles get released like every 7 years

[arctic grove]

and game developers have to put in actual effort into optimizing for them

because they know they cant do a half-assed job like they can on pc

[dire quest]

The specialist we needed

[still vault]

Indeed, need more penguin content

[lament plank]

I had a dream they brought back the air only mode from BF4? But it was helicopters only. So many war chiefs doing barrel rolls

[fallow thorn]

Anyone playing bf2042 xbox one x

[forest edge]

anyone playing bf 2042 pc

[next onyx]

!lfg

!!lfg

[tender pendant]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[dapper lotus]

hi can i update my pre order bf2042 standart edition to a gold ?

[chilly oak]

yes

[chilly oak]

go to the in game store

i have a pic of a variant where its not stormy

[topaz field]

anyone has all of the voice lines for Sundance especially when she's speaking french and giving ranger dog commands?

[arctic grove]

Idk but I do not use the ranger dog while playing Sundance, because using zip lines and flying around do not match well with the dogs way of moving For me ranger dog is more fun in combination with the turret of boris, because it´s basically a second turret^^´

[runic prism]

Yo that reply was fast

[chilly oak]

lol, dont even have it anymore

[silk surge]

Been so deep into Quick Draw mode that I've forgotten to take a ciggy break.

[night vessel]

I don't know mate. Go in a official BF3 match and try xD

I think the Devs forgot to turn off physics on the USA CRAM

It's funny tho you can guide CRAM by helicopter and move it anywhere on the map but it moves slow. + No one can blow you up since it has no HP bar

But he'll funny cause you gonna keep rolling

Good luck hitting anything x3

[upbeat sand]

Bf2042 gameplay: haha shoot russian guy with mg then drop through the floor

Bf2042 lore:

[compact sleet]

Send me it?

[stoic ferry]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf2042/profile/origin/th0norway/overview

finaly. stats

[edgy oriole]

ive killed more than 4 vehicles EZ

[stoic ferry]

Vehicle Kills
3,255

[daring glade]

Say what now 😀 my CPU is barely using 40-50% per core

[stoic ferry]

Vehicles Destroyed
769

[daring glade]

And I mean performance cores not talking even about effiency ones

[next onyx]

Unsurprisinglymy most used gadget is C5.

[edgy oriole]

maybe its vehicles destroyed while in vehicle maybe?

[stoic ferry]

SOB-8 Ballistic Shield
Character
602

[river trench]

New leaks bussin

[ripe hedge]

Season 1 weapons preview

[edgy oriole]

Confirmed

[grizzled whale]

Alex delivering top quality weapons as usual

[next onyx]

For a second I thought that was the captains pistol from serenity.

[ripe hedge]

Weird, or unique?

[next onyx]

Lol dud club.

[vague beacon]

😂

[river trench]

Unique

[next onyx]

That'd be funny.

[grizzled whale]

@ripe hedge if that would explode it would be the only effective melee in the game

[crimson wasp]

didn't BF1 or BFV have a melee weapon that had a awfully small chance of exploding and killing you instead

i can't quite remember which game it was

[next onyx]

Bf1 yeah.

Dud club.

[crimson wasp]

:*)

[next onyx]

That'd be funny to experience.

[arctic grove]

[grizzled whale]

i killed him and his melee after i killed him still counted, bruh

[edgy oriole]

fighting til last breath

[runic prism]

Sometimes when im shooting to someone . I accidentally press on r3 and it melee’s and then im dying. Does anyone have any tips what I can do about it? I don't even press that r3. If you give it a little bit of pressure, the controller thinks I'm pressing it . It’s so annoying

[edgy oriole]

had to google breath vs breathe bc english is the dumbest/hardest language

[compact sleet]

It’s breath and breathe wdym it’s that simple

[upbeat sand]

From the dead

[lyric snow]

i hope classes wont come to 2042

[grizzled whale]

the melee is gonna cost me my heart bro

its so broken

[edgy oriole]

theyve already said specialist are here to stay, but if enough people complained about it i think theyd lock gadgets maybe to class specific. (if thats what you mean by classes)

[lyric snow]

yeah thats what i meant

[hearty flame]

tempos datamined specialist changes into a more classlike structure a few days ago

[lyric snow]

😥

[edgy oriole]

i dont see them doing it to weapons but i could very well see it with gadgets.

[lyric snow]

i dont want to be restricted to only using two gadgets or one

[hearty flame]

if the people that left want classes then dice needs to have some sort of class-like structure to get them back

[edgy oriole]

yeah i like having full freedom, but if majority wants it that way im fine with it.

[lyric snow]

scoreboard didnt bring back people that wanted it so why would classes do

[hearty flame]

because classes are a fundamental issue and scoreboard is a topical one

[edgy oriole]

scoreboard doesnt add anything. classes would be different gameplay

[swift terrace]

Does anyone know if EA Dice has any plans to rework the console controller AA and sensitivities? It still feels inconsistent and wonky.

[hearty flame]

Theyll probably keep iterating on those

[edgy oriole]

if its in regards to the last update im sure they are gathering data bc there has been a number of bugs bc of the amount of changes that happened

[swift terrace]

Yes. The controller AA and sensitivity still feels bad. It usually takes me a few hours to set my preferred sensitivity in a FPS. I’m going on several weeks of adjustments with the convoluted controller settings

Customization is great. Too much customization makes it confusing and frustrating

Also, is Infantry mode still in Portal? I haven’t been on in a few days.

[edgy oriole]

it changes every couple of days now so im not sure.

actually i remember now its not. its quickdraw and 2 conquest on featured rn

[grizzled whale]

ah yes

[swift terrace]

That’s too bad. I prefer a smaller conquest or breakthrough mode with less vehicles / aircrafts.

[chilly oak]

not anymore, but i can send u one from trailer

[arctic grove]

There is any hope for BF2042? I'm thinking about bying it after 7 hours of "EA Play" trial.

[lilac dust]

Ah the sweet karma of not getting revive by 2 squadmates til your timer goes to 1 second then a random medic revives, and then when the 2 bad teammates go down next to you they get the stare of shame as you walk away 😉

[grizzled whale]

back on a 5 win streak with the one in the chamber mode

[compact sleet]

A lot of hope my friend. If you enjoyed it during the trial you’ll enjoy it without the trial

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah, I do enjoy this game. But I'm thinking about further updates, 'cause I want some confidence in this games future.

[chilly oak]

is the extended barrel better or the short barrel for the m5

[compact sleet]

Well considering an update with over 400 bug fixes was released and it’s being fixed a lot faster than other titles there’s a lot of confidence there

[edgy oriole]

id say short for rate of fire increase

[arctic grove]

Yeah, I think the same. I'll give it last 3 hours and then buy it. Thank you!

[pine roost]

Has anything that temporyal has datamined actually made it in game? Before launch did he accurately predict what was actually in game?

[chilly oak]

idk about him but pretty much nothing of what tom henderson said

[edgy oriole]

from what ive seen in this discord since being here is that the temporyal person has been a BF dataminer for awhile so i guess he gotta be consistent. (thats not the word but i cant think of the word im trying to say)

[noble scaffold]

new update is good

something about it actually changed something, no clue what, but it makes it better for me

i’d say flatten out the bugs and add content, but that’s probably what everyone thinks so it doesn’t matter if i say it

[edgy oriole]

who knows. ontop of the 400+ fixes they also shadow fixed alot of shit too.

[noble scaffold]

some of the guns feel a little different, especially the Dm7

[compact sleet]

No problem! I hope you enjoy it!

[edgy oriole]

this update was absolutely massive.
they did complete attachment rework. and from what ive noticed personally there is life into the guns now. they all arent lazers anymore.

i havent tried the dm7 since update tho bc i absolutely hate that gun. its the worst thing in the game.

[tame vine]

a lot of the weekly missions he datamined are accurate, so ig we can expect more

[noble scaffold]

yup, update took an hour in the background for me, things feel better and it’s delightful

[noble scaffold]

nooo, i’d say it’s the second best assault rifle and it’s not even an assault rifle

[edgy oriole]

maybe they fixed it but before that thing took 5-6 shots to kill someone and the fire rate was too atrocious for it. i had to result to stealing kills to get all attachments

[noble scaffold]

it’s far more versatile than all the other assault rifles, only a few shots to kill, and being semi it’s super controllable

[noble scaffold]

swear for me it’s like 4-5 max to kill, usually 3 if i’m playing alrigjt and in the right range for the ammo i’m using

[edgy oriole]

idk there was a couple times where i had to 2 headshot, 1 body shot someone and i knew from there id never use this gun again once i get all attachments.

[noble scaffold]

if i dokt like a gun, i just won’t use it. is there some special thing for unlocking everything on everything?

[edgy oriole]

i like getting a feel for everything in the game. so i understand things better as it happens to me or other people. im like that for everygame i play. i never like to "main" or use meta.

so it was a learning experience plus gave me something to work towards.

[noble scaffold]

i don’t even know the meta, i use what’s fun or interesting, i find it so annoying when people are just slipping around the map as sundance and nkt helping their team one bit

i don’t think i’ve mentioned this but i hate sundance

sundance players never ever play team, always on the other end of the map requesting revive or something, same for the rest of assault too

controversial i know

[edgy oriole]

k30, pkp is meta.
i was doing attachments for weapons and T1 the specialist. i t1 support, defense. when i got to assault i got bored and started using falck as a main since ive done everything else and shes my fav.

[lilac dust]

I have tier 1 sundance and I revive 24/7 and stick with the team. I mostly use my wingsuit to swoop in and revive lol

[noble scaffold]

this is the ideal.

[noble scaffold]

fair enough, but hardly anyone does that, it’s always sweats slipping and sliding around the map

[grizzled whale]

haha

[tepid sable]

i do that too cuz nobody else revives

[grizzled whale]

some dude i called out a while ago for hacking and pretended to be legit is getting screwed by the stat page now

[edgy oriole]

share for the class

[grizzled whale]

8.98 kd with a 79.8 headshot rate

[chilly oak]

sus

[grizzled whale]

cant, ill get banned

[edgy oriole]

dm

[noble scaffold]

it’s so annoying some people just leave the entire team and get shredded, and somehow expect you to come and seal team 6 rescue them, micheal bay thriller style

[grizzled whale]

last time i shared his name i got muted for 24 hours

[chilly oak]

lol

[grizzled whale]

ehh, its enough to know hes probably gonna get banned soon

[noble scaffold]

huh? why would someone just not playing team get banned?

[grizzled whale]

wrong reply

[noble scaffold]

ok lol

[grizzled whale]

the top 10 for KD seems very legit too

[silk surge]

I'm also playing that gamemode. Melee is so insanely bugged. It feels like the outcome of melee fights are decided in advance.

[grizzled whale]

i always just slide and melee into them, seems to be the most reliable way to hit them

[topaz field]

i use the ranger dog for close combat w/ sundance. Distract enemy then flank from side

[silk surge]

Same. Still unreliable. I sometimes get stabbed while I'm behind their backs.

[grizzled whale]

yeah i know, but thats the most relible ive found

[edgy oriole]

once i started using caspers drone. i realized rangers main focus is the drone. so now ill call in a ranger every chance i get.

[chilly oak]

if u find it fun when u have a ranger with boris, you're just a just psycho

[noble scaffold]

something in the update definitely buffed AI ground to air

i played on ai mode cos theres no one online and i got destroyed by some ai in a (forogt its name but the AA car thing) from across the map

[frigid cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XxFJxy5wIE

[grizzled whale]

eww advertising

[frigid cairn]

funniest c5 kill ive gotten so far ^

[noble scaffold]

it was like as soon as i was visible it just locked on and started plinking me, no matter how far i was

[grizzled whale]

could have just posted the clip instead of a youtube link

[pine roost]

Was it a lock on or just the main cannon?

[noble scaffold]

main cannon,

[frigid cairn]

i can't post clips or pics

[noble scaffold]

i’m probably just over exaggerating but that’s how it felt

[pine roost]

Were you actively trying to dodge t?

[grizzled whale]

@foggy tundra what do you play 2042 on, i want to see your Vcar stats

[silk surge]

Killstreaks are so satisfying in this gamemode lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v1f12Y-UUA

[edgy oriole]

origin i think *forgot his name tho

[frigid cairn]

im not paying $100 a year for nitro to share clips with yall lol

[noble scaffold]

huge W for killing the bolte, and what skin is that ? winter woodland?

[silk surge]

Same. I spent it on Ultimate Edition instead.

[frigid cairn]

it was the preorder skin or something, i had it since launch

cold blood bundle that came with gold

[grizzled whale]

tell me about it

[noble scaffold]

ah man that’s cool, i’ve seen some people with this plain grayscale (forgot the name but the russian bulpup) that’s like three sections different gray

[silk surge]

Its like ASMR

[grizzled whale]

thats one thin the M44 does well, most satisfying kills in the game

[craggy lagoon]

So I get the basic idea of BF 2042, win sectors win the battle, can someone elaborate on anything that's over and above those requirements or is it just run n gun

[noble scaffold]

idk just shoot guns and win

[lilac dust]

Revive everyone on your team

[noble scaffold]

oh yeah the ribbons,

[craggy lagoon]

Oh and that yeah

[craggy lagoon]

I only had the game a day

[grizzled whale]

@silk surge i hit a kind of 360 yesterday

the flicks are so rewarding on that mode

[silk surge]

Nice flick on that one

[noble scaffold]

the ribbons basically tell you whay to do

[lilac dust]

Did they remove Night birds from some breakthrough maps?

[noble scaffold]

ok? just saying play for ribbons

[silk surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teBnufQVsME

[craggy lagoon]

So tips for a BF starter? I play csgo normally so I'm ok with the format

[noble scaffold]

for a beginner i’d say follow your team around and help them, it’s very good and will gain you lots of rewards.

[silk surge]

Gunplay-wise, it's all about recoil control and less about controlling spray.

spread, rather**

[craggy lagoon]

So there's recoil

Drag back the mouse without spray pattern

[noble scaffold]

csgo player is most likely a pro at recoil control so i wouldn’t worry about that

[silk surge]

Also, the gameplay flow is a lot more chaotic than what you'll find in CS. Can be really annoying to navigate at first.

[noble scaffold]

the recoil isn’t bad in this game at all compared to cs

[craggy lagoon]

I noticed it's hella busy

[grizzled whale]

the flick are real

[undone bone]

[silk surge]

Say what you want about matchmaking, at least we don't have to deal with this bullshit anymore

[edgy oriole]

so just die to helos is what this is saying?

[still vault]

heli only serveradmin is eww

[undone bone]

Can't relate; I don't use portal/server browser at all.

[silk surge]

I exclusively play PORTAL nowadays, and I never use the server browser.

[edgy oriole]

BT only
ive been testing the portal waters with echo recently tho

[silk surge]

Mostly because the only options are ""HC"" servers where weapon damage has been increased to the point where anything other than K30 is unreliable.

[undone bone]

I only ever play regular AOW

[silk surge]

I've become completely burned out on AOW. PORTAL at least has a lot of variation.

Also, a lot of the maps are locked behind PORTAL, which is dumb.

[undone bone]

Yeah that's fair. Will be nice to hopefully see another map/some weapons when S1 finally comes around.

[silk surge]

Yeah. PORTAL is the only thing that's keeping me going til then. The content drought is real.

[undone bone]

Honestly; only thing that keeps me going in most games is some form of progression. Will be nice the get the sp for S1

[arctic grove]

LOL the microtransaction cancer is rolling in

man you gotta have balls to sell mtx in a game often regarded as a scam and which has done absolutely nothing for redemption

[edgy oriole]

ill pay for some good skins. idgaf.

[grizzled whale]

same, cry more

[arctic grove]

then you are part of the problem giving dice even more money for the awful job they have delivered with this game

[grizzled whale]

400 hours in and still havcing fun, ill gladly pay

[simple merlin]

Im gonna give them soo much money

[edgy oriole]

then im glad to be that problem that has money to spend on things i enjoy

[arctic grove]

im out of words tbh guess people never learn

[edgy oriole]

its ok to have hobbies bud. im sure you spend money on dumb shit too

[simple merlin]

[arctic grove]

as long as you give them money, they will continue to get away with selling a garbage product

[grizzled whale]

dont care

[edgy oriole]

good. i want their product

[arctic grove]

sure, you can keep playing a dumpster fire

not my problem tbh

[edgy oriole]

crazy how it works when you pay for a product you want so you can have more of the product

[reef briar]

🤣

[arctic grove]

you are the type of customer ea LOVES

[grizzled whale]

people forget that mtx is 100% OPTIONAL

[edgy oriole]

good bc i love EA? where are we getting at here? lol

[undone bone]

Check the pinned messages.

[dim hatch]

we like it because we're trash.

[river trench]

What is mtx

[arctic grove]

microtransactions

[edgy oriole]

this dude is mad people have a choice to spend their own money

[arctic grove]

i couldnt care less about your money and thats not the point im trying to make

[grizzled whale]

on a more positive note, i hit a collat

[dim hatch]

and he bitches about it in a server channel for the thing he bitches about.

[river trench]

Not my money not my problem

[edgy oriole]

"how dare you buy things that are completely optional" head ass

[dim hatch]

he has a point everyone...

[arctic grove]

then you dont complain when ea releases an unfinished buggy mess for full price and gets away with it

[dim hatch]

We will comlain about whatever we want
we will buy whatever we want.

don';t tell us what to do

[cyan trout]

Would buy specialist skins if the specialists didn't have unique abilities

[edgy oriole]

this dude been on a reddit crusade ever since he joined this DC

[arctic grove]

if the game was actually good i wouldnt have any problem with them selling mtx in the store or whatever

[river trench]

Again , not my money not my problem

[dim hatch]

please tell us more about the things you like and don't like.

[arctic grove]

albeit selling mtx in a AAA full price game is still disgustingly scummy imo

[grizzled whale]

no its not

[arctic grove]

as if they didnt get my money when i got the game in the first place

mtx is something strictly for free 2 play games

[hollow arch]

Yet you still play the game daily.

[arctic grove]

i dont but alright, already got my refund

[cyan trout]

I too dream of a world that once was and never shall be again

[hollow arch]

That’s good.

[dim hatch]

if we all block him, iut'd be like he l;eft the server

[arctic grove]

ok cool now what

[dim hatch]

lets play BF2042!

[arctic grove]

sure go play 2042

[hollow arch]

Find a new game?

No need to stay here right?

It won’t change the outcome

[cyan trout]

I hear the switch is a good place to find games that don't have mtx

[arctic grove]

and it is

[hollow arch]

Switch is good

Although max are optional right?

mtx*

[silk surge]

I've hit a collat twice now. Both times it was against 2 people who were knife fighting each other.

[arctic grove]

playing breath of the wild is such a breath of fresh air: a finished and beautiful game with great gameplay and NO mtx

[dim hatch]

no one is compelling you to buy anything

[arctic grove]

pun intended

[dim hatch]

BotW is the same as Battlefield, so you are correct

[hollow arch]

Seriously u all really getting too upset about. EA isn’t forcing u to play the game or buy mtx.

[arctic grove]

well he asked for good switch games without mtx, i delivered

[hollow arch]

The balls in your court.

[cyan trout]

Actually didn't ask

[dim hatch]

"u all"

it's one user

[arctic grove]

im pretty sure anybody sane enough wouldnt buy anything in the mtx store (also the player base is still dwindingly small)

[dim hatch]

either this guy is a treyarch shill, or a dice shill

[arctic grove]

im neither

[cyan trout]

If there is a cool skin and I want it I buy it

[arctic grove]

im somebody with sound rationale

[grizzled whale]

[hollow arch]

Yea, but why are u wasting so much energy stating it? Surely there are many productive things to do on Sunday.

[silver lantern]

I'm thinking of buying the game

[cyan trout]

We can do as we please with our money.

[arctic grove]

also do you even know what the word shill means

[grizzled whale]

if you had sound rationale you wouldnt be here anymore

[dim hatch]

I'm 4 and what is shill

[grizzled whale]

since you dont like or play the game anymore

[arctic grove]

im still part of the community so?

[grizzled whale]

someone with sound rationale would spend their time on something else

[hollow arch]

That’s what I’m trying to figure out.

[dim hatch]

sounds unsound to me, sounds like

[undone bone]

This channel isn't purely for demeaning the game. If you'd like to provide constructive feedback you're welcome to do so.

[arctic grove]

i mean i could do the same as you and say i can do whatever i want with my time

[hollow arch]

It’s like a personal vendetta or something.

[arctic grove]

just like you can do whatever you want with your money

[dim hatch]

the most rational man on earth is in this channel where all the unrationals have gathered.

lets see what happens next.

[hollow arch]

U got the refund, it’s done.

[cyan trout]

Sounds like he wants to buy the game again tbh

[arctic grove]

no im not buying anything with dice's name on it again

because i know its not the dice of the past

[hollow arch]

I’m pretty sure that there are serious complainers here that are level 100+ in the game lol.

[dim hatch]

hes just not buying things, menacingly.

[silver lantern]

buys the next battlefield

[hollow arch]

The denial is real.

[cyan trout]

Lol

[hollow arch]

Wait for bf2052 lol

[arctic grove]

im sane enough not to do so after witnessing what went down with this game

[edgy oriole]

i wish they wouldve made this skin for every gun/body skin.

[brittle forge]

That’s what people said about BFV tbh

[undone bone]

Peeps prolly said as much after BFV tbh

[silver lantern]

Then they bought 2042

[brittle forge]

But muh modern warfare makes everyone coom

[dim hatch]

yes, quite the travesty.

it's a video game you nerd.

[arctic grove]

because dice were looking really promising and it was their LAST shot at redemption

[silver lantern]

Then they'll buy bf7 or bfbc3

[hollow arch]

What exactly went down with this game lol?

[edgy oriole]

so clean

[silver lantern]

Sex

[hollow arch]

EA have done this on numerous occasions

[arctic grove]

done what

[dim hatch]

Meridia will fill you in

[silver lantern]

I mean uh
Shit happened with this game

[hollow arch]

Anthem, bf5 etc.

[brittle forge]

They put out a game that wasn’t finished and coupled it with changes nobody was asking for

[dapper river]

Looks like digital relish, or digital puke

I just want gunmetal gray/black for all weapons pls

[undone bone]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[cyan trout]

The hype train ran a lot of people over

[hollow arch]

BF5, got bombed and now the same bombers praise it over bf2042

[brittle forge]

Great minds think alike lmao

[edgy oriole]

[arctic grove]

and proceeded to not put out any content for literally almost 6 months

[silver lantern]

What if
Great minds thought unlike

[arctic grove]

such a wonderful live service

[hollow arch]

It’s like a love hate relationship with a video game.

[brittle forge]

Evil great minds be like

[hollow arch]

Is the specialists? Hmmm

[edgy oriole]

you are right tho. they default skin too shiny for me.

[silver lantern]

Fuck specialists but eh

[brittle forge]

I don’t like specialists but honestly the maps and lack of weapons hurts it more imho

[grizzled whale]

@silk surge epic

[arctic grove]

aside from milking it with mtx to death, i dont get why specialists even exist in the game

[silver lantern]

I wouldn't mind if the specialists were interesting and didn't have horrible voice lines

[grizzled whale]

more clean

[arctic grove]

they are just money printers tbh

[silver lantern]

How the fuck are these guys having fun in war

[undone bone]

Specialists is a mechanic that'd be fine if they were gadget class locked.

[dapper river]

please list examples of mtx in 2042

[tropic granite]

I think the majority of the game developers didn’t want this

[hexed mango]

ik and that’s the most annoying thing about it… they use bfv as fuel for the 2042 hate by praising it yet they did the bashing in it before. it’s stupid because then something like that will happen here, people bash it, game gets cancelled before people come to their senses, new game comes out, repeat repeat

[brittle forge]

To be fair we know they’re planning to introduce that type of MTX to this game they just haven’t yet because they know they’d be fucking crucified

[edgy oriole]

ist just carbon mixed but with red. i need cooler

[next onyx]

I don't think locking gadgets would have helped Gali.

[still vault]

!!r10 Feel free to discuss the previous games in #battlefield-legacy-titles - no reason to stay here and break rule 10 if you are not even interested in it.

[tender pendant]

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[arctic grove]

what

[hollow arch]

What’s so surprising about specialists though? U act like Dice introduced it outta know were. Everyone knew specialists were coming.

[tropic granite]

they were clearly added for the purpose of microtransactions, just 2042 didn’t have any at release and has gotten pretty much nothing since

[arctic grove]

just a reminder that i didnt harass a single soul here

[cyan trout]

Season 1

[next onyx]

Don't want to sound rude though but that's your perspective. Gali.

[still vault]

"Constructive criticism & feedback is always encouraged, spreading toxicity while providing no useful, constructive feedback is not allowed"

[tropic granite]

Honestly I have fun playing 2042

[silver lantern]

Fuck it
Time to buy
Is it still alive on ps4

[brittle forge]

I would not buy this game on PS4 if I were you

[weary bough]

Can anyone explain the AI Difficulty setting in Portal experiences? I have tried every setting and it seems to make no difference they are all like they are using ESP and Aimbots.

[silver lantern]

Dang

[arctic grove]

constructive criticism engaged: remove specialists because they are cringy money printers who serve no purpose other than to sell shitty mtx and add no value to gameplay

[hollow arch]

I mean seriously though, there is no ways specialists can be removed from the game. Will probably take over 6 months to do it.

[tropic granite]

unfortunately the servers are at best 1/4 bots at this point

[next onyx]

If specialists were better balanced than in a way, they wouldn't be so bad.

[silver lantern]

And had better voice lines

[undone bone]

I'm fully aware most people don't like specialists. But the only reasoning I've heard is that classes were better for team play/dynamics. And making specialists gadget locked to specialist classes does the exact same thing for team play outside of also locking weapon choice.

So it's just nostalgia at that point.

[brittle forge]

I wouldn’t mind specialists if you also have the ability to play as a more generic class that works like the old class systems

[arctic grove]

and nobody asked for specialists in the first place

[edgy oriole]

i forget the specialist even talk half the time

[undone bone]

As weapon choice doesn't effect teamplay at all.

[next onyx]

If armour couldn't give people 20 free points of health that'd be fine, if Sundance and Mackay were louder when they used their gadgets that'd be fine too.

[brittle forge]

Like I think they could’ve had both specialist in classes in the same game and it would’ve worked just fine

[hollow arch]

It’s the old schoolers not able to adjust

[arctic grove]

"old schoolers"

the delusion is real

didnt know bfv was old school

[hollow arch]

Most of the players complaining probably have followed bf since the first release.

[brittle forge]

What problem did the old class system have that the new system fixes? All the old problems with classes are still here and in some cases are worse

[next onyx]

To be honest when I think of gadget locks for specialists I always think people want that so everybody can't run around with AT. But considering how this game is built it's a massive eh.

[arctic grove]

also bfv did mtx RIGHT

[still vault]

I like the armor mechanic actually, it discourages sniping and empowers healing

[arctic grove]

while still keeping the beloved class system

[undone bone]

Actively says mtx is not for paid games but turns around and says a paid game did mtx correctly

[arctic grove]

and nobody complained

[undone bone]

[noble scaffold]

changed my mind on the dm7

[next onyx]

Armour is stupid as hell, You shouldn't be winning gunfights just because you can take one more shot than the guy you're fighting.

One shot means a lot.

Even if a bunch of weapons can bypass it.

[still vault]

Except for all the constant complaining 🤣

[next onyx]

It should function as a flak jacket/environmental damage shield.

[undone bone]

Definitely a leftover mechanic from the proposed BR game design.

[grizzled whale]

killed em so hard they ascended to the heavens

[next onyx]

It's armour effect should be just for hazard zone.

[arctic grove]

i still think that mtx doesnt belong in a AAA game and at least bfv, which wanted to desperately sell mtx, managed to do it while keeping the class system intact

[edgy oriole]

im still waiting for the game my whole team has AT instead of getting destroyed by vehicles all game

[brittle forge]

When it came to BFV that was the last thing people were complaining about to be honest

[arctic grove]

it was literally a good mtx system in the grand scheme of things

[undone bone]

So your complaint has nothing to do with the mtx* itself and instead your opinion on the class system?

[next onyx]

If the m5 had better velocity and reload for greedy night birds I guarantee you the game wouldn't be cancerous.

[grizzled whale]

ngl, this mode has got to be the most fun ive had in 2042, no doubt

[edgy oriole]

The reload is god awful. they need to make an explosive specialist that doesnt take 300 years to reload the m5.

[undone bone]

One in the chamber?

[grizzled whale]

yeah

[dim hatch]

oh, Meridia is still going.

[arctic grove]

im saying that specialists are completely unnecessary bullshit which serves the purpose of making mtx easier and more appealing to sell, dice themselves have proven that you can still do a good mtx system without redesigning the franchises foundations

[next onyx]

Or you know, make their only AT good

[undone bone]

Noice, might give that a try lol

[grizzled whale]

the flicks are SO DAMN SATISFYING

[brittle forge]

M5’s missile is slower than a thrown hand grenade I swear to god

[next onyx]

Piat was peak anti tank.

[arctic grove]

its not rocket science

[dapper river]

I still wish there was rush

[undone bone]

Classes do nothing for the bf franchise foundation. Forcing teamplay != people conforming to teamplay.

And that is 100% my personal opinion.

[next onyx]

Genuinely, Slow speed so it's relegated to at but it could FUCK tanks hard. Doing 50 to their engines or 34 to the side effects a medium.

[arctic grove]

????? tell me one bf that uses the specialist system aside from 2042

right, there isnt (i wonder why)

[cyan trout]

I would settle for not having rush if there was frontlines. Rush is classic though

[brittle forge]

I mean they’ve been around longer than the destruction has in this franchise. If you think specialists are better fine but you can’t really say it’s not part of the Battlefield foundation

[waxen turret]

bf2042 is the best title in the franchise no discussion

[undone bone]

None. Tell me a single bf that forcing comp team formations with randoms has actually caused consistent teamplay in the last decade.

[dapper river]

"You play medic so you can revive, I play medic so I can heal myself and only me. We are not the same."

[next onyx]

Bf5 ironically did mixed play better as you could grab ammo and health with ease, but there was enough for a squad to do its Max.

[still vault]

It's a teamplay mechanic for angel players, which is nice.
For fast shooting weapons doing low dmg it makes less of a difference, for slow shooting weapons, like snipers, it makes a huge difference. It's a counter to sniping and it empoweres the healers as more people have low health.

There are already too many snipers, I don't think you can remove armor without addressing that first or the balance will be off.

[lunar finch]

Problem is there isnt enough players for different game modes

[arctic grove]

i got the impression that bfv had decent teamplay

[brittle forge]

BFV has the best infantry gameplay and its not even close

[arctic grove]

each class fulfills a predetermined purpose and plays a distinct role in a team

[undone bone]

So playing with randoms, no mics, caused consistent use of all the classes?

[cyan trout]

Yeah going to be a problem for the life of 2042 the way I see it

[fallen yarrow]

BFV had decent team play. Way better than 2042. Classes help balance weapons and gadgets. Without that, you just have chaos.

[arctic grove]

it did in bfv

[next onyx]

It doesn't counter the sniper problem as they do 60 damage anyways. If the maps were actually good with cover for this apparent problem then you wouldn't need things to take them on.

[arctic grove]

some maps would favor certain classes over the others but in general the class distribution seemed pretty even

[brittle forge]

To be honest the game was balanced such that you would actually see every class pretty often outside of modes like TDM and stuff

[undone bone]

I doubt the fact that randoms consistently move as a team/use the mechanics forced upon them for teamplay as intended within the class system.

[arctic grove]

except they do in bfv

[next onyx]

With the fix turning it into flak jacket (and upping it to 50) I guarantee you armour will save more lives without directly affecting gunplay.

[fallen yarrow]

If people picked snipers to camp at the back, they had the downside of limited ammo and health.

[undone bone]

[brittle forge]

I mean you’re not gonna get fucking overwatch levels of team composition sure but it was true

[arctic grove]

now im waiting for your counterargument

[still vault]

All I hear is argumentation to increase the armour 😄

[undone bone]

You're using a singular installment of the franchise as an argument for how the franchise should be. By that logic the rest of BF's should have specialists.

[arctic grove]

what

[next onyx]

Oh and that's true, but to change its entire use as said in that sentence. Flak jacket.

[undone bone]

Referring to this ^

[arctic grove]

im saying that the class system DID encourage team play to a certain extent

[fallen yarrow]

LMAO this Galileo guy doing some crazy mental gymnastics

[brittle forge]

Yeah whatever point he just made was jumping the gun by quite a bit

[undone bone]

Your counterpoint to me stating that forcing teamplay doesn't cause actual teamplay was that it did in BFV

[brittle forge]

I’m pretty sure Merida is not making the argument he thought he was

[arctic grove]

the class system is literally designed to encourage some sort of teamplay

[grizzled whale]

which nobody does anyway

[undone bone]

And locking gadgets to specialist classes would do the exact same thing

[still vault]

So you don't want the soldier gunplay to be affected but the vehicle gunplay is fine?

[arctic grove]

you can also scratch the cringy specialist characters

[cyan trout]

What are they gonna do about bat girl with grenade belt?

[arctic grove]

nobody likes them or wants them

[brittle forge]

I’m continually amused this is supposed to be the Killshot to the “we need classes” argument but the specialists didn’t address this problem whatsoever

[undone bone]

So is it the mtx, the specialist mechanics orrr?

[compact sleet]

Throw her off a cliff without her wings?

[arctic grove]

its a combination of both

[undone bone]

Argument against the mechanic seems to be all over the place my g

[arctic grove]

on one hand the specialist system lures apex players in and on the other it makes mtx easier to sell

[compact sleet]

I think the specialist mechanics are cool and need to stay but the actual specialist characters need to go. We need to be able to customize our characters

[brittle forge]

The specialists have some team play still, sure but they didn’t do anything to address the problems of the class system so why did they change it?

[arctic grove]

simple answer: money

[still vault]

Most arguments people have against the specialists doesn't make much sense to me. Most of the valid arguments against the system people tend to ignore for some reason 😄

[next onyx]

Shells can still kill you but with different variances you can tank blasts. Even if it weren't 50, let's say it's still at 20. You can get away with some health for a gun fight.

[undone bone]

And for specification; I'm not arguing against the fact that specialists make it easier to sell mtx. But using that as an argument against the mechanic in the franchise; if they were to lock gadgets to specialist classes vs older installments. Just doesn't make sense.

[next onyx]

If some ass lands a rocket near you, you'll have enough health for contemporaries.

Or even a grenade.

[undone bone]

It's literally just you being against mtx and not the actual mechanic itself.

[arctic grove]

the mechanic itself didnt fix anything meaningful

[undone bone]

Neither does forcing weapon loadouts.

[arctic grove]

it either made things worse or is change for the sake of change for no real reason

[next onyx]

40 health vs 60 changes a lot. But gunfights, being actually shot isn't changed and you still won't be guaranteed a win from a 1v1.

[still vault]

It actually somewhat fixes a bunch of things people have been complaining about forever.

[brittle forge]

I have said like 4 times in the past 5 minutes, that the specialist did not actually fix any problem that the class system had and have yet to hear any counterarguments

[arctic grove]

such as

you can now fly with a wingsuit? wow so cool

[brittle forge]

At best the specialists are not worse, but also at best they are not better, so why the change

[cyan trout]

My only argument against the special ones is that I don't think they added anything of note to the game. Nothing they bring to the table improves the experience in my opinion.

[arctic grove]

money

[next onyx]

Weapons can be used to properly balance certain classes, that balance changes all the time.

Biggest issue I found is that it's more often that support weapons are shit. What's the point of a support assault mix in bf4 when heir lmgs aren't good in terms of accuracy?

[undone bone]

Feel like it was was a rhetorical question

[arctic grove]

they saw how successful apex was with its legends system so they just went ahead and did a copy paste

[next onyx]

Gadgets are often given to those classes to specifically tweak them. Support can still get AT, but it's often weaker and less effective.

[brittle forge]

Universal weapons is nice to have but it’s not also a 100% improvement. There’s pros and cons to that and mostly it’s personal preference between some more freedom versus more weapon balance

[cyan trout]

In 3 and 4 you weren't restricted to lmg's. You could use pdw, shotgun, carbine, or dmrs

[still vault]

"Never any people with a repair tool since engineers have shit weapons and looses gunplay."
"Too many snipers means our team has no anti-tank capability"
"Everybody is just playing assault as they have the best weapons for this map"
"Too little variation in the class setup"
Etc. etc.

[next onyx]

Yeah true, though in that case you were better off playing as an assault.

I liked how 5 handled support since we had our assault lmgs and medium ranged mgs.

[arctic grove]

and on the other hand specialists just encourage people to play as lone wolf even more

[next onyx]

Bf5 support / bfh enforcer were way better balanced than any of the battlefields.

[arctic grove]

since everybody got their shiny unique ability

[hearty flame]

V's support were great when they fixed mmgs bipods

[next onyx]

Even though enforcer was overpowered as fuck with their battle rifles.

[brittle forge]

Tbf Maria and Angel revolve around teamplay but they are pretty much the only ones

[still vault]

Most of the special abilities promote teamplay so don't know where you get that from.

[brittle forge]

Other than I guess Casper who helps with spotting

[still vault]

The wingsuit and the grabbling hook helps your party with flanking enemy positions. Especially if they have a spawnpoint as well.

[undone bone]

BO4, Bleeding Edge, Overwatch, Borderlands. Apex isn't a singular event that caused games to have abilities associated with characters..

[cyan trout]

How does a wing suit promote team play? Or a turret? Or a grappling hook? Or hacking shit? Sorry type slow

[river sequoia]

All the specialist are grouped into classes.

[brittle forge]

It helps you the player flank enemy positions which indirectly helps but it’s not like you put down a zip line your team can use like Apex’s pathfinder some shit

[next onyx]

If they gave us more traditional classes in place with these others then maybe people wouldn't have such a problem.

[grizzled whale]

bro im hitting clip after clip after clip on this mode

[undone bone]

It doesn't, directly, it gives a strategic edge. Which when mixed with certain aspects of the game cause for greater teamplay.

[edgy oriole]

suit, grapple = flank, turret = defense flanks, hacking = is disabling enemy equipment.

[still vault]

Turret is defensive, hacking disables defenses of vehicles which promotes comboing with AA /AT rockets.

[brittle forge]

McKay and Sundance are pretty much indisputably the most selfish specialists unless you yourself but a generic helpful gadget like a medbox

[next onyx]

Give us an assault with a special rocket launcher so people can play it like a bf4 engineer or a bf5 assault. For the sake of familiarity.

[undone bone]

Teamplay as a whole: assuming players are using mics for communication. Is very complex

[next onyx]

Yeah Mackay and Sundanese for sure are not team play.

[still vault]

I do hope for a zipline in the future actually. Would pair well with the wingsuit and grabbling hook + spawn points.

[lunar finch]

I mean i dont have a problem with the specialist tbh

[next onyx]

Nor is paik.

[arctic grove]

didnt know that zipping around in a wingsuit and with a grapple hook like spiderman was teamplay

[grizzled whale]

That last kill

[next onyx]

Don't even see irish's using their shield for templay cause all the Irish mains I come up against sit in the corner with their shields lol.

[analog stirrup]

or go up on towers and put shield up to snipe

[next onyx]

Nvm the Boris mains laying down with their turret and a pkp cause the player is garbage.

[undone bone]

Is flanking a mechanic that would be considered teamplay if it generates an advantage for said team?

[edgy oriole]

shield trash, way better to have both trophy servers out instead.

[brittle forge]

Paik damage spot spots for the team as of the latest update but yeah she’s pretty worthless still teamplay-wise

[next onyx]

Yeah her pulse is pretty selfish too.

She's good at tagging people but eh?

[lunar finch]

That turret is the worst shit in this game tbh

[cobalt flower]

hello y'all :D

[lunar finch]

Just hearing that thing beep pisses me off

[next onyx]

Surprised you don't mention the Bolte there.

[arctic grove]

it encourages players to go out on their own

[cyan trout]

But I was responding to the statement that the abilities promote team play. Having one person flanking or cutting off a flank with a turret isn't what I consider team play.

[cobalt flower]

what's goin on here

[still vault]

Grapple up, place spawnpoint, party member places protective walls, someone drops ammo, suddenly you got a good position and people can wingsuit to new flags from there.

[next onyx]

Hey douglas.

[analog stirrup]

the problem with caspers drone is, while it's useful most people can't stand using it for more than 30 seconds cause it's fucking boring

[undone bone]

Biggest issue with specialists in 2042 is the game itself isn't really made for competitive teamplay. 128 or even 64 player lobbies. There's going to be games that no matter who's on your squad you are to lose.

Battlefield isn't a competitive title.

[lyric snow]

add jetpack gadget

[cobalt flower]

based

[next onyx]

Double jump specialist.

[cobalt flower]

o7

[undone bone]

Able to be factually argued.

[arctic grove]

i could say that being a sniper is also teamplay because you can place down a spawn beacon and use the flare gun

[next onyx]

That actually sounds pretty cool.

[lyric snow]

would be sick

[river sequoia]

Mario specialist

[edgy oriole]

well youre sniping other snipers or enemy team. can also take out drivers and enemy equipment so its teamplay....

[lyric snow]

id be jumping around like mario

[brittle forge]

It’s like saying a pure slayer is a huge benefit to the team play because only the single player benefits from the ability and that benefit is maybe being able to get more kills. Getting kills helps your team of course but it’s the most indirect form of team play possible say compared to healing someone or repairing a tank.

[still vault]

Sure, the spawn beacon and flare gun are both fine examples of teamplay I agree.

[fierce gull]

you want a specialist with some exo suit or smth?

[arctic grove]

so doing anything to win the game is teamplay YEP

[edgy oriole]

yes.....

[arctic grove]

you get a kill, its teamplay

[grizzled whale]

i know the person we need to make into a specialist

[next onyx]

Weapons in the class kept the class balanced. You could in with a ghetto submachine gun (trench carbine) with a flare gun and spawn beacon instead of guns blazing with an AK and a motion sensor.

[edgy oriole]

[arctic grove]

dammmmmn

[grizzled whale]

https://tenor.com/view/suction-cup-man-in-window-gif-20183391

[lyric snow]

add wall running specialist

[next onyx]

In some ways, other parts sucked.

[grizzled whale]

suctioncup man, we need him

[next onyx]

But the main weapon part kept classes in check.

[arctic grove]

and thats what made the class system decently balanced

[next onyx]

Though one problem I already mentioned is that some classes like supports lmgs were awful.

[undone bone]

Depends on your definition of teamplay. Which is why I mentioned battlefield isn't a competitive game. Teamplay in a competitive game is generally anything that can generate a strategical advantage your team can capitalize on.

So yes; wingsuiting/grappling to a better spot is teamplay; using the above definition.

[arctic grove]

every class has a specialized weapon pool to choose from

[lyric snow]

and it sucked

[next onyx]

Bf5 and bfh handled support the best.

Like I already said.

[arctic grove]

i agree, bfv did it really well

[next onyx]

There was prediction to be made with certain classes, you saw a weapon type and you instantly would know what class they were.

[river sequoia]

They could lock each class-group in BF2042 into only picking "this" and "that" weapon category.

[next onyx]

There's some good in an all weapon system but.

I dunno.

[brittle forge]

If killing players of the enemy team is considered good team play then call of duty and halo have great “teamplay” which is a ridiculous statement in the context of Battlefield wants you to help your team

[cyan trout]

I think the wing suit needs to scream like a pterodactyl when used

[arctic grove]

an all weapon system is just a recipe for chaos and unbalanced gameplay

[next onyx]

I don't want to be negative here. There are merits to both systems.

[arctic grove]

if angel was limited to only smgs for example

[next onyx]

There's a lot of freedom to this system.

[lyric snow]

i dont want to be limited to only using smgs as medic on these huge maps

[undone bone]

What does the goal of helping your team accomplish?

[arctic grove]

to make up for his healing capabilties

[next onyx]

I wouldn't mind if assault rifles were all kit to be honest.

[river sequoia]

But isn't it equally unbalanced on both sides? In other words, it keeps thing balanced?

[next onyx]

Support only be able to be use lmgs.

[undone bone]

Winning the game.

[next onyx]

Assault with subbies.

Etc.

[arctic grove]

controlled chaos you say?

[cyan trout]

Why do you think you would be? 3 and 4 allowed alternate options for all classes

[arctic grove]

thats the mw2 design philosophy

[river sequoia]

Yes. Often called "meta"?

[lyric snow]

2042 would need way more weapons to be like that

[arctic grove]

the game only having 22 guns is already bad enough

[brittle forge]

I know you’re getting at “to help other players kill other players” But that’s not a fair comparison because games like cod and halo have next to no way of actually helping your teammates other than teamshotting. Again this is team play in the most basic sense but it’s disingenuous to compare this to what Battlefield players often talk about when they refer to it

[still vault]

Seems highly ineffective 😄

[grizzled whale]

he can climb ANYTHING

[cyan trout]

So you're not opposed to classes just classes with limitations of the game in its current state?

[next onyx]

My biggest issue is how the game was designed around certain specialists. It's living pain playing as something not Sundance to merely traverse the map. When your team has all the transports too you can't do anything at all.

[river sequoia]

What about having parachute and oxygen tank as equipments?

[brittle forge]

Parachute should probably be always on to be honest

[next onyx]

I hope with the upcoming update they become still a need but not a necessity.

[undone bone]

Which is why I mentioned definition of teamplay. As if you have a non-competitive game; why does teamplay really matter at all? The point of playing a game is to win the game. If proper teamplay doesn't contribute to winning the game then how is that a mechanic that enhances a competitive game?

[arctic grove]

in battlefield i define teamplay as the coordinated support of your teammates with a strategy in mind

[grizzled whale]

imagine you walk into a building, not an enemy in sight to you lower your guard and KABLAM!!!, you get shot from the ceiling.
Suctioncup man

[hearty flame]

Id say they could add more trucks or atvs scattered around but dice is having issues with too many vehicles and they could be destroyed too easily to be used as the game goes on

[river sequoia]

Am I blind, where are the ATV's?

[undone bone]

Like I said before; battlefield at it's core: isn't a competitive game.

[next onyx]

Im surprised I have a 1.99 KPM but then i remembered that bot farming playlist that pushed the KPM of paik and LCMG to a solid 7.

[fallen yarrow]

That's already in the game

[grizzled whale]

in what form

[cyan trout]

How is an objective based game not competitive?

[still vault]

🌵 🌵 🌵 Climb this 🌵 🌵 🌵

[next onyx]

Issue is that if I remember correctly, the engine can only support 40 vehicles Max.

[grizzled whale]

suctioncup man can

[fallen yarrow]

People in ceilings shooting at you

[grizzled whale]

glitched yes

[hearty flame]

Ya around that. Youd think this wouldve been taken into consideration during concept and design

[undone bone]

If you gather the 4 best BF players. Stick them into a squad. Does that guarentee they win the game?

[river sequoia]

Even with 64 player maps?

[grizzled whale]

but not suctioncup man

[next onyx]

64 or 128, that's a general engine Max.

But.

[cyan trout]

Nope if they can't work together they get ran through like a cheap lady of the night

[next onyx]

What i might be saying might of been misinterpreted so if an engine boi comes, try to ask them.

[brittle forge]

The teamplay “matters” because the way Battlefield does it is pretty unique to the franchise outside of stuff like Squad or Planetside 2, and has been present since the franchise began. Also because killing enemies is not the only way to help win the game you also have to do other things like objectives that explicitly enhance win conditions

[next onyx]

I'm kinda looking forward to the rework of renewal.

An ok map turning into a less cancerous variant is a win in my book.

[still vault]

Impressive. But someone slowly crawling up a wall is hardly exciting gameplay. Perhaps just give him the grappling hook too while we are at it!

[radiant prism]

Sex

[undone bone]

'Comp' When modernally talked about generally has to do with skill. If the outcome of your game doesn't depend on your skill level at all then how is it a competitive game?

[next onyx]

Took you long enough.

[grizzled whale]

now get it to mastery 380

[radiant prism]

Because I focused on other specialists ok?

[next onyx]

In any game you'll always have people wanting to improve their skills.

[brittle forge]

I don’t know why your conclusion is “more explicit team play is not necessary because the game isn’t competitive” what kind of point is that?

[grizzled whale]

dont underestimate suctioncup man

[brittle forge]

You can have non-competitive games were working with your team is encouraged in other ways other than team shotting this franchise has done exactly that for decades

[undone bone]

Killing enemies isn't the only way to help win the game: I agree. But if it's a conquest based game then how does mobility not help with the game? Is is therefore not teamplay?

[cyan trout]

How do you define skill?

[noble scaffold]

i used to main mckay but his mastery was really inconsistent and tricky to get, so now i’m a angel main

[fallen yarrow]

Are you saying that your skill level does not affect the outcome of the game in battlefield? I'm confused

[brittle forge]

Your team does not get the enhanced mobility unless they are also playing the specialist therefore the mobility does not contribute the team play unless you use it to get a kill

[next onyx]

You can remove attrition from bf5 and still push for team works in other areas.

For example.

Oh this is about mobility.

[cyan trout]

[brittle forge]

If McKay put up a zipline his squad can use than that is 100% a teamplay specialist

But he is the only one that gets the benefit directly

[next onyx]

Whew, BFH grappling hook.

That was a time to be alive.

Ah shit.

[undone bone]

Loose term but skill is generally based on your perception of what's needed for your team in that moment. For most games it involves simply killing an opponent. But it could mean split pushing if it will benefit the outcome of your game (LoL/DOTA), could mean capitalize on an objective such as CS:GO (Planting a bomb if you know the enemies aren't near x point). Skill is a term that generally has association with winning a competitive game.

[cyan trout]

They need to remaster the motel

[whole plume]

Something's in the wayyyyy

Mmmmmmmmmmm

[undone bone]

Your personal 'skill' doesn't directly matter to the outcome of your game in BF nor is BF a game that matchmakes based off determined skill level. Hence it's not a competitive game when it comes to the gaming industry.

[lunar finch]

Im just saying bf2042 would be a much better game if they just removed Boris

[undone bone]

Ofc any game is 'competitive' but just vsing another team isn't the definition for a modern competitive game.

[compact sleet]

Awareness, gun skill, team play, knowing what spots are safest, when to move from cover to cover etc. skill is pretty hard to define if you think about it

[whole plume]

Nah the way it is Is either you good at bf or you suck at bf but either way the game still pisses you off

[next onyx]

Here's what I can say. You don't need comp to call someone skilled.

[undone bone]

100%

[next onyx]

When I know a guy is good with their shots, with a mix of their positioning and just general ability to play, that's skill.

[undone bone]

'Skill' varies from game to genre etc.

[next onyx]

Comp isn't needed for that.

[whole plume]

"Your playing battlefield and shitting In a bucket"

[edgy oriole]

The majority of BF community cant look at minimap or up.
its the weakness.

[cobalt flower]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodium2042/comments/uat328/ukr_soldiers_are_using_the_maxim_mg_vs_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[brittle forge]

Titanfall 2 wasn’t exactly a competitive game but if someone told me it wasn’t a skilled game I would slap them in the face

[cobalt flower]

real war just like vidya!

people really need to stop comparing the Ukraine Russian war with 2042

[whole plume]

It's not a skilled game..

[undone bone]

Don't need to be playing a competitive game to have skill. But skill is needed for any sense of high level play in a competitive game.

[cobalt flower]

Titan Fall 2 does have skill based movement iirc

[cyan trout]

I guess what I am getting at is the fact that having one person on the team who flys in behind the enemy isn't doing anything for the team other than getting kills on unsuspecting enemies as your team can't spawn on the flanker unless they are already dead and the flanker is out of combat. Where as putting down a spawn beacon behind the enemy location would benefit the team for positioning but is that what people who play batperson do?

[next onyx]

That is true though it isn't just for that.

[undone bone]

Titanfall is great, they should focus a lil less on Apex to release a 3rd imo

[grizzled whale]

uhmmm

[cobalt flower]

the ranger is the best addition to Battlefield

[whole plume]

Relax relax it's a joke

[next onyx]

Battlefield might not be competitive but a comp scene sure as hell exists.

[brittle forge]

The skill ceiling for that game just generally is insanely high

[next onyx]

It's not CS GO but it's pretty crazy.

[brittle forge]

Oh I know why do you think I replied with a sticker? Lol

[cyan trout]

I see a lot of rage in chat lol

[whole plume]

Lmfao

[undone bone]

What if that flanker is the pure reason your team is able to have a successful push?

And hence take said point.

[cobalt flower]

wait what are we arguing about

[undone bone]

Teamplay lol

[cobalt flower]

is there Sundance slander in chat right now

[grizzled whale]

on BF being comp or not

[cobalt flower]

def not comp. remember incursions? lmao

[next onyx]

In a larger mode your individual mean less and less and unfortunately you can't command an army of brainlets unfort.

[grizzled whale]

all i gotta say

[whole plume]

Something'sssss in the wayyyyyy mmmmmmmmm mmmmmm

[grizzled whale]

they gotta remove sundance from the quickdraw mode

seems kinda dumb that only one specialist can use their ability

[undone bone]

Hence why I said the foundation of bf makes it an inherently uncompetitive game.

As most people play bf for larger modes.

[cobalt flower]

do other passives work?

[cyan trout]

No batperson is cool

[grizzled whale]

idk

[cobalt flower]

based

[grizzled whale]

i only play mackay

[compact sleet]

I only do it again

[next onyx]

You can't command an army of morons but your skill can carry your enjoyment unfortunately.

[cyan trout]

Only works if the rest of the team pushes instead of humping a hill

[cobalt flower]

idk my KDA is garbage yet I have a shit ton of fun

[placid echo]

You can hit some nasty flanks from time to time though
https://streamable.com/pckgg9

[brittle forge]

Again it’s not that flanking to kill an enemy does not help your team, it’s that the specialists unique abilities offer nothing to anyone who isn’t that specialist. Which is fine, but it’s indisputable that if McKay’s grapple set up a zipline that the other members of the squad could use that he would then be a more teamplay oriented specialist

[next onyx]

Specialists offer increased team play opportunities but I don't think it's the right way.

Hardline had some... interesting options for it.

[whole plume]

I think battlefield 2042 should add a mg42 with a 200 to 1000 round belt

[undone bone]

Yeah for sure

[brittle forge]

For the same reasons it’s indisputable that Falck and Angel are more team play oriented specialists than paik and Sundance. Whose intrinsic abilities only help themselves predominantly

[whole plume]

Armor piercing rounds/explosive rounds on it too

[compact sleet]

You’d have to only be able to shoot while laying down tho other wise it wouldn’t be balanced

[brittle forge]

Etc, etc.

[whole plume]

Yeah for sure

[next onyx]

Nvm the horrid map design is intended just for them.

You're basically setting yourself up for a shit game if you don't play as them.

[brittle forge]

It’s why I play breakthrough honestly

At least when I know where a front line is I can then contribute with a support specialist without running for 15 mins

[whole plume]

Yeah mg42 is what we need

[cobalt flower]

damn bruh you being negative af

[next onyx]

I'm speaking objectively dude.

[undone bone]

Battlefield is, personally, one of the only games idc if I actually win in. As the fun from the game doesn't come from winning it comes from the foundations. And I don't think mobility is needed in 2042 to have fun.

[next onyx]

If I lie I'm killing myself from the inside.

[elder patrol]

Pie

[pulsar vine]

[undone bone]

Foundations being: larger map size, vehicles, longer ttk than CoD & objective oriented gameplay.

[whole plume]

I don't play battlefield to win I play battlefield to see the dumb shit that occurs in the matches like how many people can say they see a flying tank with jeep stuff on it and then get murdered by a flying ATV

[next onyx]

Dude these maps are designed for sundance, try running as anybody with legs and you're waiting 2 minutes just to fight someone.

[compact sleet]

The fun of the game is those super close games where both teams work together really well

[next onyx]

In 5 I could spent 30 to 40 seconds and know I'm gonna get tonnes of action, if I die I can respawn relatively close enough.

It's why I stick around the ship on discarded.

I know I'm getting action no matter what.

[cobalt flower]

battlefield is made for dicking around

[undone bone]

I main boris, I press LB+RB and I got a vehicle within 10 seconds to drive across the map. I'm not saying the maps are built for infantry. But if you want action every 5 seconds go play CoD where the maps are smaller than my bedroom.

[pulsar vine]

Ehhhhhh I’ve seen different and experienced different in comparison too BF2042

[cobalt flower]

BASED

[next onyx]

Hm yes let's get in vehicle when everyone else is in vehicle so you can't even pick one.

[whole plume]

I once got murdered by a gunship that was in a tower

[next onyx]

I shouldn't have to redeploy just to have some action.

[pulsar vine]

Wish I could play breakthrough

[undone bone]

The system is in place to call vehicles after spawning for a reason.

[tranquil turtle]

the maps are so big there's no way to have a real concentrated attack

[next onyx]

Again, You can't pick a vehicle when everyone else is using them.

[pulsar vine]

Fair as well haha

[cobalt flower]

for REAL people just really need to not bitch about the map size if they don't summon vehicles

[edgy oriole]

thats why i play BT
CQ too much random + big maps = boring to me.

[whole plume]

So cat women is a stripper ?

[tranquil turtle]

even in breakthrough the maps don't scale with the amount of players

[cyan trout]

When will they be adding the quads from the trailer to the base game? Possibly some dirt bikes for the sandy bits?

[undone bone]

Where's all the people that normally complain about immersion when we're talking about map size.

[next onyx]

If I could call in an ATV that could very quickly expire when I got off of it so other people and everyone could use it. That would he ok.

[undone bone]

[cobalt flower]

she just works at the club

[cobalt flower]

muh immersion means every map is a meat grinder

[whole plume]

Oh for some reason the movie made her seem like a stripper I'm only 46 minutes into it tho 💀💀

[undone bone]

Vehicles in general do need an overhaul. I'm not arguing that. But the mechanic IS in place for a specific reason.

[edgy oriole]

I want 128 frontline for meatgrinder please *for real. bring back frontline

[cyan trout]

Emo Batman was good

[tranquil turtle]

it's much more fun to push in a rush match in bf4/bf3 than it is to go to a point in bt

[cyan trout]

Same

[next onyx]

If the maps and pacing weren't so bad I shouldn't even need a vehicle in the first place.

[whole plume]

Emo batman+goth gf=good movie

[cobalt flower]

I love emo batman

he's also so hot

[edgy oriole]

if emo batman took steroids for the role hed be buff emo hot batman.

[whole plume]

Cat women looks goofy bruh 💀

[cobalt flower]

i think he just refused to work out for the role iirc

[cyan trout]

But the comb over in the rain really does it

[cobalt flower]

which is funny as fuck

[edgy oriole]

he worked out he just refused to take sterroids

[cobalt flower]

king shit

[whole plume]

Idk cat women look goofy but she got a FUMPY 😩
Jokes btw

[cobalt flower]

average vehicle hater

[next onyx]

Lol.

[compact sleet]

They need more planes
More
More
More

[tranquil turtle]

I would rather have better jets than more jets

[hexed mango]

they should make a cargo jet lel

[next onyx]

Wrong reply?

[edgy oriole]

they should specialize air vehicles more. CAS and air superiority

[whole plume]

Nah just me being a idiot lmfao

[tranquil turtle]

they control so terribly, even bf3 makes flying jets look easy

[next onyx]

Ah. That reminded me of the rats who only sit in tanks and planes to up their k/d.

[cobalt flower]

they need trains

[next onyx]

To absurd numbers.

[tranquil turtle]

imagine needing a tank or plane when you can use an eod bot

[next onyx]

And play with the bitchiest weapons.

[compact sleet]

There’s one jet on each team…. Jets should split from birds and there should be an attack jets and a fighter jet with a lot more customization options that the simple three types of missiles and stuff

[edgy oriole]

lemme introduce you to c5 drone for those out of bounds vehicle campers

[cobalt flower]

i love c5 drone

[next onyx]

This is 5, not 2042.

Well, in what I'm on about.

[whole plume]

I would put a tank into a cargo plane open the cargo door tilt the plane sideways and have my make shift Ac130 I'm smart as shit I know

[tranquil turtle]

anti tank in 5 is so underpowered

the lunge mine only does 50 damage

[hexed mango]

i use a super hind, as a pilot we dont get kills :(
unless assists count, but idk, do they?

and plus i cant even see my KD cause TRN thinks my origin account doesnt exist

[cobalt flower]

it feels so bad bruh lmao

[next onyx]

I mean you could paradrop from a c130 in bf3 in an LAV.

[undone bone]

19 seconds to run from US spawn to A1, 30 seconds to run from A1 to C1, 10 seconds to run from C1 to D1. Assuming another 15 seconds from D1~D2. (This is all discarded.)

You need a vehicle to negate 20 seconds?

[hexed mango]

lel

[next onyx]

That's the funny part, discarded isn't a shit map.

[tranquil turtle]

not to mention the "glancing blow" bullshit that makes you do half the damage you would if that system wasn't in place

[edgy oriole]

i actually used the mine in bfv tho, havent touched in in 2042 other than bolte mine drops.

[whole plume]

Ac130 should be a vehicle in 2042 change my mind

[cobalt flower]

thats why i dont play BF5, the at is so garbage

[undone bone]

Was just using it for refence as it's what I'm currently playing lul

I don't mind the map itself

[tranquil turtle]

I run the bazooka and dynamite

[cobalt flower]

also HLL is better

[hexed mango]

thats what i said

[gaunt swift]

Lol ik this gonna sound mad coming from a Battlefield player. But i fucking hate vechicles in Battlefield. I cant control the air ones for shit on mouse. And the ground ones are just BM innit

[edgy oriole]

discarded/manifest master race

[next onyx]

It's the only map that doesn't make me want to end myself.

[white geyser]

I need the AC-130 gunship in 2042

[next onyx]

I remember when mines were powerful!

Bf5 AT was based as fuck.

[whole plume]

I hate them too but sometimes there funny asf

[cobalt flower]

same lmao

[next onyx]

PIAT did so much damage to everything.

[lunar finch]

The map is bad but its like not as bad as the other maps so its tolerable

[tranquil turtle]

the piat is a mortar

[undone bone]

Manifest is an aight map

[brittle forge]

Maybe in Portal. For AOW it is like the last thing it needs

[next onyx]

Who cares if your mortar deals 50 damage to a mediums engine.

[brittle forge]

Manifest is the best map in 2042, which isn’t saying much but it’s true imo

[hexed mango]

yes that and some cool like future/newer bomber plane

either a multiple-personal operated like a modern B52
or a stealth-like B-2

[noble scaffold]

why have i got the absolute legend tag yet can’t use it? i’ve completed its requirements and it won’t let me select it

[next onyx]

It would be better if the objectives were actually closer. It has a lot of useless space, and that pretty much how you can describe the all the maps.

D, c and B are the only decent parts.

A and E Is a no go.

[next onyx]

Maybe it's like Stockholm syndrome, I genuinely enjoy it cause well, it isn't as bad as the others lol.

[tranquil turtle]

the lunge mine does 50 damage to a half track

[next onyx]

Lunge mine does 90 I believe to a have track.

[tranquil turtle]

it's disappointing how bad that thing is

[brisk hill]

I got the nerf gun

[hexed mango]

are you a hostage?

[next onyx]

If you're talking about a light tank. It's 67.

[tranquil turtle]

what? Last time I used one It only did 50 damage to any vehicle I poked with it

[next onyx]

Medium is 50.

[arctic grove]

Nobody likes this game

[next onyx]

Heavy is 34.

I'll put a list.

[tranquil turtle]

either way the dynamite is a better choice

[hexed mango]

🤡

[whole plume]

Seems self centered

[arctic grove]

Lmaooo

[gaunt swift]

Nah bro. The fucking tank campers ruined them for me in BFV and the tanks in 2042 just aren't that good

[whole plume]

Tf is a tank camper ?

[hexed mango]

someone who camps in a tank
idk

"tank" - "camper"

[gaunt swift]

Your average Battlefield V player

[cobalt flower]

im so glad that sundance's grenades work now

same

[undone bone]

If you get B you can parachute from the tower to any other point though.

[cobalt flower]

i do transport when needed

[gaunt swift]

Im still mad they removed the target locked thingy. I hate not knowing that my grenade is gonna destroy the Bolte 5 feet in infront of me or gonna blow up on staturn

[undone bone]

Twas something I talked about; every map seems to have a center point were anywhere is fast to get to from

[tranquil turtle]

jets and lavs are the only vehicles I like. In bf4, at least

tanks are just boring and helicopters are funky

[next onyx]

M3 / M3 AT / Half-back / Pakwagon 99

Puma, Staghound, greyhound and 38t 67

Valentine MKVII, Vallie Archer, Vallie AA, Panzer IV. STUG IV, Flakpanzer IV, Chi ha, Ka-Mi, Sherman and LVT. 50.

Tiger I, Sturmtiger, Churchill mkvii, crocodile and big transport boat 34

[cobalt flower]

yup, its really big brained

[whole plume]

Seems bout right

[next onyx]

Discarded? I guess. But that still is fucking awkward making yourself an easy target.

[white geyser]

I wouldn’t mind having another AA tank in 2042, but I kinda miss the LAV-AD BF4 version and I wish they add BF4 in the portal

[cobalt flower]

skill issue

[tranquil turtle]

also the suav and eod bot

[gaunt swift]

Lol i dont know how anyone can control an air vechicle in any Battlefield game. Every time i have tried i have failed. And i fucking tried to get better on 2042 for literal hours when the game was dead with AI to improve. It just isint possible

[next onyx]

You get used to it.

[whole plume]

You guys have tactics for 2042 ? I just run around with a LMG as a medic throw smokes and give people the smoke like a menace 😤😤

[cobalt flower]

based af

[next onyx]

I haven't flown a helicopter in years.

[whole plume]

How bout you come over here so I can show you what based is 😏

[next onyx]

Do what everyone else is doing, abuse motion sensors cause they still fucking dumb.

[tranquil turtle]

2042 doesn't have air superiority unfortunately, so it's kind of hard to train with jets/helicopters

[gaunt swift]

I still dont know how to fucking turn on a jet in any Battlefield.

[next onyx]

On pc?

Or console.

[cobalt flower]

yeah ok

[next onyx]

Cause on pc it's a different story.

[rain gulch]

Am i the only one who cant open the game?

[gaunt swift]

Last time i tried i kamekazied into some poor tank just tyina camp in BFV.

Before that i crashed into a building in doha on 2042 as an american.

[white geyser]

Back in BF4 I tried to learn how to fly a jet plane and suck at it, helicopters barely but not good

[whole plume]

I shot my shot but you turned me down 😔

[undone bone]

Ngl; motion sensors for xp were broken asf on release.

[next onyx]

They still are. Why play like a proper person when you can spot everyone with no counter.

[gaunt swift]

Pc. Its the obvious superior. Why would i ever go to a console

[cobalt flower]

<333

[tranquil turtle]

2042 jets suck so that's out of the question
5 planes I don't like
I can't really help you with anything here. My only experience with airplanes were in 4 which I'm sorta decent at

[next onyx]

Because people have their preferences and it goes whatever way.

Yeah 2042's jets are bad.

Bf5 planes were fun though.

Really stick a controller in and fly that way.

[tranquil turtle]

I tried using them in the firing range and I couldn't hit shit 💀

[undone bone]

This leads into the speculation I've had since launch; S1 operator is going to be an anti-detection operator.

[next onyx]

Flying a helicopter in pc is easier.

[whole plume]

Next time I get a ammo pack I ain't dropping it for you </3

[cobalt flower]

NOOOO

[tranquil turtle]

in planes I only use the machine gun, no missiles or anything but having limited ammo for the machine gun was annoying af

[gaunt swift]

Oh trust me i tried. With that air campaign. That tries to make you feel like a badass pilot. I felt like a fish

[next onyx]

Eh, That's just a crap way to balance it. At least with flares you could shoot them out of the sky and not need special countermeasures.