battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

that's called preferences

[teal fractal]

but

[solid hinge]

no one is forcing you to play it

[alpine edge]

oh that's why I don't, it's like too far away from Battlefield.

delta force is a meme game really

[solid hinge]

it's not

game i dont enjoy = meme

what a fucking stupid way to think

[alpine edge]

real and true

[teal fractal]

Ill bring a better example of a random element such as someone shooting a crossbow grenade that maybe flies past the place they originally tried to shoot at and it ends up killing a player on a whim

[alpine edge]

valorant is a meme game

[scenic elm]

giving random situations that CAN happen in a game is not the same as : I was ran over by a car and that's random

[alpine edge]

edating ahh game 😹 ✌️

[solid hinge]

imagine coping so hard a game you want to see fail is booming

[scenic elm]

if i sayed i could be hit by lighting does not mean i WAS HIT BY LIGHTNING pickle

lmao

[teal fractal]

Or for example if you aim at someone, slightly miss but theres another person who you originally didnt even see or aim towards and you end up killing them on a whim

[alpine edge]

oh yeah DF has CoD sbmm 💀

[scenic elm]

your dense

[alpine edge]

hell naw jigsaw

[teal fractal]

Thats a random factor

[solid hinge]

24 hour peak 189k

cope

[alpine edge]

suspicious ...

[solid hinge]

bf2042 24 hour peak : 6k

[stiff talon]

Much love to everyone here... Just wanted to spread the word of the console beta...

[alpine edge]

thank you Dr

you're a G

[stiff talon]

[teal fractal]

I mean how can you get ran over by a car though i dont really see it happening

In battlefield you generally avoid wide open spaces

As an infantry player

Youre playing cover to cover right

[solid hinge]

delta force is so botted it's also on the first discord servers page

[teal fractal]

Meaning theres always an object near you

[scenic elm]

dude, everyone , every single player in battlefield got run over by a car atleast once

[teal fractal]

So the vehicle player cant really drive over you

[alpine edge]

never used that feature in my life

[teal fractal]

Yeah but its due to them running in an open space

[solid hinge]

how's that relevant ?

most people do

that's why it's there

cause the server is alive

moderated

[teal fractal]

Its not inherently random that someone tries to run over someone in an open space

[solid hinge]

and the game is booming

cry louder about it idk whatever makes you happy

[alpine edge]

I'm not really crying

I just b chillin here

[solid hinge]

reads like it

[scenic elm]

you can get ran over by a car on most maps in battlefield even in infantry areas

[alpine edge]

people are just desperate for a battlefield game they will play 2042 but with CoD gunplay

[scenic elm]

as long as there is a car there is a way

[alpine edge]

BF6 is going to be yuge ... I trust the plan DICE ...

[teal fractal]

Yeah but the only time you get ran over is when youre not positioned which is what you should always be doing

[solid hinge]

people just play the better games

[teal fractal]

You physically can not get ran over by a car unless being out in the open

[alpine edge]

I don't know about that . . .

[solid hinge]

stats don't lie

[alpine edge]

people play Valorant and shi and like not judging but like 😭

[solid hinge]

your opinion on it is irrelevant in this case

[teal fractal]

And if youre out in the open then like why

[solid hinge]

Valorant is a good cs alternative

[alpine edge]

more popular doesn't mean better ...

[solid hinge]

you not liking it is irrelevant

[alpine edge]

Valorant is CS but not as good

[teal fractal]

They are entirely different

[alpine edge]

valorant is heavier focus on util usage

[teal fractal]

5v5 is like the only thing to compare them by

[solid hinge]

it is a direct competitor

it was made as one

it is one

[teal fractal]

Different mechanics, different eco system, different guns, different visuals

[solid hinge]

and it will remain one

[alpine edge]

valorant eco system sucks

they should let me force buy every round

[solid hinge]

even the cod server isnt as delusional and more grounded

this is crazy

[teal fractal]

Both are pretty heavy util based

[solid hinge]

How can you be dumber than a cod player

[teal fractal]

Because you fake and bait with utils in cs

[alpine edge]

yeah but like ults and flashbangs through walls

[teal fractal]

Ye thats diff usecases

[alpine edge]

util in valorant is more powerful I'd argue

especially wit the map design

[teal fractal]

For sure

Idk why hes calling it an alternative when cs and valorant dont even really play in a similar way though

Doesnt make much sense

I cant really think of anything aside of the 5v5 element

[alpine edge]

you both buy guns

defuse game mode

[teal fractal]

Yeah ig

[alpine edge]

similarish gunplay

[teal fractal]

Valorants gunplay is much easier than cs2 gunplay

[alpine edge]

yeah

[teal fractal]

Like muuuuuuch easier

[alpine edge]

no counter strafe, random spray patterns

it's just whoever is best at pre aiming

[solid hinge]

Not understanding it is an alternative to it and is being marketted as one is just being completely delusional or lacking understanding of what both games are about

[teal fractal]

Yeah you cant even effectively really shoot at moving targets

[alpine edge]

that's why I don't really find valorant as engaging

the gunplay skill ceiling isn't that high

[teal fractal]

Yeah but they dont play in the same manner so its not very comperable

The idea is the same but the way the game itself plays out is different

[alpine edge]

also there are no fun guns, at least CS has the auto sniper, good shotguns and negev

no fun allowed ...

[solid hinge]

they are comparable because they're made to be

your opinion on it is irrelevant because that's just what it is

you have no say in this neither do I

the is just a fucking "water is wet" moment

grass is green

fire is hot

[teal fractal]

? I just told you that they play different when they do lol

Its pretty blatant

[solid hinge]

this guy is dense

[teal fractal]

A cs2 player might not like valorant and vise versa

Even if the general idea of those 2 games is the same

[solid hinge]

CS players literally started moving to valorant when it released, it literally managed to steal players

[teal fractal]

Because they prefered the way valorant played?

[solid hinge]

and vice versa

because they're comparable

because they're made to be

[teal fractal]

They still play different and have their own gimmicks and mechanics man

[alpine edge]

wow... that's a bit mean

[teal fractal]

Wishing someone to die for what

[solid hinge]

No that's just the culmination of every interaction with this guy

both games are competitors

they are

[alpine edge]

sounds like a hyperbole.

[solid hinge]

you have no say in this

[teal fractal]

Okay, they play different

[solid hinge]

water is wet

[solid hinge]

irrelevant

[teal fractal]

Why

[solid hinge]

grass is green

because it doesn't have anything to do with them being competitors

of course the competition is going to try and be different

they are still competitors nonetheless

[teal fractal]

Yeah but its not like a direct alternative because its mechanically a very different game and the gameplay isnt comperable

[solid hinge]

It is

I stated why

I will not repeat myself

goldfish memory john over there

[teal fractal]

Can you tell me whats mechanically similar in gunplay, movement, eco system, abilities and util gameplay

Because it plays super different to cs2 in every way

[solid hinge]

This is once again fucking irrelevant to the point being made, them playing different doesnt alter the fact that they are competitors

[teal fractal]

Okay but im talking about it being an alternative, competitors aside

[solid hinge]

yo @sacred sparrow can you just put an end to this, this guy is just trolling at this point, there's like HOURS of conversation of them constantly repeating the same thing, i'm outta there just ask them to not interact with me anymore thank you sorry, bit hard to ask for modmail when there isnt a bot for that

[teal fractal]

While both CS2 (Counter-Strike 2) and Valorant are competitive first-person shooters, they are not direct alternatives to each other. They offer different gameplay experiences and target slightly different audiences. CS2 is a more traditional, realism-focused shooter with a focus on gunplay and tactical gameplay, while Valorant is a hero shooter with unique character abilities and a more vibrant aesthetic. Just to be clear on it

[solid hinge]

stop

explained already

[teal fractal]

But yeah yhey are still direct competitors regardless im not debating or arguing against that not sure if you understood that yet

Im just talking about your original claim

[solid hinge]

stop

[teal fractal]

Why

[solid hinge]

I'm just gonna start apps reporting this guy

[teal fractal]

Why though, im just responding to your message im not sure what the issue is

[solid hinge]

stop

[alpine edge]

this discord shit get serious

[teal fractal]

Idk what his issue is like he made a claim i just replied to it lol

[scenic elm]

just block him, i had my fun with him but i got bored of him repeating the same things over and over again

[teal fractal]

He did block me

[solid hinge]

Battlefield never changes, in or out of the game.

[spring edge]

anyone else's game keep saying unable to connect to ea servers? Tried 1, V and 2042 all say the same thing

[pliant garden]

Doo is gonna get executed by EA's legal team

[prime stump]

where the bf1 gang at

[fast bridge]

I haven't heard of any outage so it does sound like a you thing

EA's official status page is https://help.ea.com/ca/help/faq/are-ea-servers-down/

which isn't very fine grained but says there's no problems

[fast bridge]

pretty sure that's against the rules

doesn't matter; it's either not supposed to be posted or it's fake... both of which might be against the rules (the 1st one is for sure)

you should read #rules

[severe wagon]

fair enough

[ivory remnant]

Battlefield.

[tropic folio]

So the title is actually battlefield 6? I know someone who's going to love to hear that

[past moat]

Man no one's playing bf1 in asia??? (Specifically hongkong server) are there servers in Singapore or middleeast ?

[meager quest]

Hello guys, I would like to ask. Is it possible to download the Caspian Border map somewhere?

[fast bridge]

What do you mean?

It's just part of the game

[random blade]

They mean separately for use in modelling software

I assume

[fast bridge]

hmm... if you can't extract it... will you even know how to model it?

well anyways... then https://github.com/NicknineTheEagle/Frostbite-Scripts has the info

[meager quest]

Okay Thank!

[hollow hollow]

yall wanna come ban this hacker is BFV ( Jackzues2745 ) DIce server #29910 confirmed spectating at this very moment

just do it, im 100% sure, or tag someone who can. the whole game is counting on some action. player count is low enough, restore some faith 🫡

[fast bridge]

submit evidence to EA support

no one here will do a thing

specially just on your 'he beat me!'

[hollow hollow]

already did, lol and no the whole server was upset, and rightfully so a little Alt+F9 provides evidence

[floral willow]

is there no chat for bf4?

[limber bough]

Like bf4 specific chat here in discord?

[floral willow]

yeahhh or like the server

cz i grew up playing bf4

on the ps3

[limber bough]

All older games fall under #battlefield-legacy-titles

[floral willow]

and it came on sale so i got the preium edition

but now i cant play for anything

[floral willow]

so the chat im in now?

[limber bough]

Ye

[untold folio]

Somebody can explain me if is possible to explain play in battlefield Labs ? Or is not possible?

[worldly tinsel]

Can someone explain some shit to me

In bf4
In order to get the achievement for all 3 choices in last mission and get the weapons, DO I NEED TO WAIT FOR THE DAMN CREDITS TO END TOO?

[tropic folio]

probably

[worldly tinsel]

Man some real morons made the game

[tropic folio]

lmao

[desert marsh]

no you dont have to, you should get dogtags and gun just right after the boom

[sullen sand]

Hey anyone uses AimLabs for battlefield?

[digital sierra]

Hey folks, I got a new bf4 server going on PC. It runs conquest and carrier assault and all maps including the DLC. Votemap & bf4db. Tickrate is 60hz out of LA in the US. Hope to see you in there! https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/servers/show/pc/3a448241-5c4c-4eff-89f5-fdcb11d13dc0/STONKS-Carrier-Assault-and-Conquest-All-Maps/

[stark dome]

Fresh install of Windows 11 and Battlefield 4 (play 2042 without a problem)
My ping is missing and servers and I keep getting kicked.
I have unchecked IPv6.
Turned off any virus and firewall.
Uninstalled rebooted and reinstalled punk buster.
Restarted router and modem make sure no ports are blocked.

Still my ping will not show when I join the Battlefield 4 server, anybody have any ideas?

[stark dome]

Get procon

[granite wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/tech-support-helpdesk-it-crowd-gif-1185061378070743090

[kindred sail]

Check DM sent you a vid with the punkbuster fix

[digital sierra]

@stark dome yeah it's running with procon

[heavy linden]

https://x.com/insidergamingig/status/1946575069024583761?s=46&t=zGNA7gAS_vnAWv4zZsEHfQ

BF6 July 29th

[limber bough]

No

[maiden summit]

so where can we place our opinion on the battlefield labs class part 2 post on steam 👀

[loud kernel]

Battlefield 4 and Battlefield 1 greatest games ever released

Anyone down to play Battlefield 4 or Battlefield 1 message me for EU Time Zone

[dense needle]

nty

[unborn remnant]

Is there a reason on why they stopped updating the scrap exchange store in BF1?

It's been almost a month and it still shows the same deals

[subtle hatch]

Yoo I made a server to getting the pdw gun which is the MPX it’s up for 7 days if anyone could help console user ps5/ps4

[buoyant wolf]

I can’t believe how PC gamers waste so much money on headsets

[hearty glacier]

Oh here we go again...!!

Almost there, can't wait for reveal

They are still cooking

[zinc ingot]

is there any groups that play bf 2042?

[sweet minnow]

I wanted different name for the new game, but BF 6 i guess okay.

[warm wind]

i just wish they would remaster 2142

[sweet minnow]

Yeah, it was okay for that time, some people wanted that futuristic thing, when it was released i keep play older ones.

[granite wyvern]

Jeez, I can’t read anything here without my glasses

[warm wind]

it was so unique 😭

i’d rather them keep bf in modern day settings, but 2142 i think was actually a decent take on futuristic battlefield i feel like it was heavily held back by what they could do at the time

[sweet minnow]

For sure, i did like it, but wasn't play it that much, cuz i liked more classic games. Not sure will people like that type of game right now, maybe if they add something like Titanfall movement and etc.

[warm wind]

thats what i mean like imagine updated graphics, new movement, more gear and vehicles, etc.

just grand scale titanfall lol

[sweet minnow]

Yeah, they actually can make it instead 2042 (part 2). Keep 2 BF, futurustic and modern, but will they do it, probably not.

[kindred sail]

My guess is the person in charge of that is on holiday or busy and it's going to be 6 weeks this Monday

Would be cool to see an update next week

[lofty furnace]

@floral willow bro... I feel your pain.. lol

[floral willow]

bro

[lofty furnace]

I too played ALL the Battlefields and loves to chat...

[floral willow]

im so baked and

idk

im on robloc for some reason

bro i dont know ahahahahahaha

[lofty furnace]

sry... I'm60... never played roblox.. mykid did..

[floral willow]

im 22

[lofty furnace]

when he was 5

lolololol

wish there was some way to communicate in this game

[granite wyvern]

Get out baby

[teal fractal]

Nothing to talk about tbh

[teal fractal]

Ingame chats

[teal fractal]

Lol headsets are far more conventional and you can find decent studio headsets for like 150ish euros

[tropic folio]

lmao mf talking about wasting money on headsets when he has an entire surround system that's still going to be inferior to even mid range headsets

[teal fractal]

I dont think he knows that the sound travel goes missing

[tropic folio]

$600 for his setup

imagine the headphone quality

[teal fractal]

You couldve had pretty high end studio headsets for that

Most cs pros arent even using super expensive headsets either

[tropic folio]

hyperx cloud 2 is glazed so much and it's like 70 bucks yeah

[teal fractal]

A lot of them use the logitech pro x which is like idk 160 euros

[frank umbra]

Recently got a weapon voucher in Battlefield Hardline, what weapon should I redeem it for?

[tropic folio]

the judge

or the jury

my bad

[teal fractal]

Wish hardline wasnt dead

[frank umbra]

Yep, I just playing it recently since it was on sale on the PS store, and I can see why people say it’s underrated nowadays

[teal fractal]

The only reason why it recieved hate was because it was a cops and robbers game

[frank umbra]

If it was released as a expansion to BF4 rather than a standalone game, it might have been better received

[tropic folio]

not the game we wanted but the game we deserved

if it was just called hardline and not attached to battlefield i think it'd have been better received too

[teal fractal]

Ngl id much rather play hardline than 4,1 or 5

[frank umbra]

Also, why the Jury?

[tropic folio]

because it's a shotgun revolver

what other reason do you need

[frank umbra]

What about the FAL or M16A3?

[tropic folio]

tbh i don't remember last time i played hardline was prob 9 years ago

[frank umbra]

Damn 💀

[frank umbra]

Also, that makes sense because BF1 came out back in 2016

[tropic folio]

yeah i don't think i ever revisited hardline

at least not for any significant amount of time

then i went to pc in 2017 and didn't buy it again

[frank umbra]

Is it because you hopped onto the BF1 hype train when the game came out?

Because we all know how well that game was received

[tropic folio]

probably

it was some good hype

[frank umbra]

Haven’t played BF1 myself, but people say it’s one of the peaks of Battlefield

[main minnow]

how do i turn off the damn sun in bf1

its blinding me even when im behind a hill

https://imgur.com/a/ohjYQdG

[buoyant wolf]

Lmaooo what??!!

Bro, y’all can’t even hear sounds coming from in front and behind you. Let alone upgrade to hearing sounds above you

[livid bay]

Eh. Depends on the headset. Even medium-range headsets have surround-sound capabilities nowadays since it's gotten cheaper to include them

[tropic folio]

Sweet summer child

80 dollar headphones can do that with more precision than your surround system

Surround is good for watching TV

[buoyant wolf]

Okay, let’s not be delusional here. If what you’re saying is true, then why don’t movie theaters use headsets?

Why do studios like Marvel go through the struggle of encoding their movies using the 7.1.4 audio standard knowing that people will use discreet speakers for each channel?

$80 speakers will get you 2.0 (stereo) surround sound, meaning only left and right; I’ll concede that. But bro: upgrading for more directions is totally worth it

[livid bay]

Sanitation costs, costs to repair them when someone breaks a pair (will happen no matter what), and electronic costs to hook up that type of system are all factors

They also said that it's good for tv/movies. It doesn't matter as much in gaming cause most headsets have enough precision for it to not matter. Like 90% of the reason for surround sound in home theaters and movie theaters is the bass, not the precision

[buoyant wolf]

And when I say $80 for stereo speakers, I’m talking mid-tier quality. You could even get a 5.1 surround sound system for $250 (Logitech Z606 and its required DAC) but the quality might not be acceptable to some.

As of now, I can’t yet go crazy on hardcore audiophile-grade speakers. I’ll concede that, too.

Well, actually, headsets have better base because they can obviously cancel outside noise.

But speakers don’t outperform because of their individual sound quality. They shine because of not needing to add a burden to your head and by enabling you to hear sounds from directions besides merely left and right.

[livid bay]

I agree with the no burden on the head point, but headphones aren't limited to left and right?

At least, decent ones aren't

[buoyant wolf]

Still, though, Netflix and other streaming services’ movies and video games bother to encode their media in 5.1 lossy (Dolby Digital and DTS Digital) all the way up to 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos and DTS:X.

Headsets can try their best with psychoacoustic effects but it’s like comparing the Sonos Arc soundbar to a surround sound system taking full advantage of Yamaha’s RX-A6A 9-channel receiver.

[livid bay]

There's more than 1 way to make headsets have surround sound.

There's "true" surround sound that has small speakers/drivers positioned within the headset to mimick the setup of a traditional speaker system

And there's Virtual Surround Sound that mimicks how sound waves normally interact with your ears to allow you to determine where the sound came from

Think about it. How do you determine if a sound came from in front of you if you only have 2 ears on the side of your head?

[buoyant wolf]

But there’s a reason why the RX-A6A exists despite its absurd price and isn’t obsolete because of headsets.

[livid bay]

Well yeah. When you get to that high of a quality, it's harder for headsets to compete

There's also the factor that multiple people can use a sound system while only one can use a pair of headsets

[buoyant wolf]

Ya and that’s the audiophile-grade example. Even if I wanted mere 5.1, I’d still rather buy my current YHT-4950U over a HyperX USB headset.

I mean the fact that HyperX can transmit all their data with a mere USB 2.0 cable whereas Yamaha requires an HDMI 2.1 (eARC)- not even HDMI 2.0, 1.4, or 1.3- cable says it all.

[spark flax]

Does anyone know why all my battlefield stats were reset to rank 0? I was max rank on BF1 , BF 4 , all is lost. 😥

Happen to anyone else??

[twin gorge]

I'm a little new to battlefield, just fyi. I've been playing 2042 and was wondering if anyone could help me progress the draugr

[buoyant wolf]

My main vehicle is the main battle tank. So, we can team up. You take care of my biggest threat (enemy aircraft) and I take care of your biggest threat (enemy AA).

[teal fractal]

surround systems has existed for so long now

[twin gorge]

The main issue I had is I don't have any great weapons against aircraft (Like the AP rounds rather than HE), I've honestly just been trying to wreck tanks in bot modes but I can't do enough damage to make any real progress

[teal fractal]

any starter level headset has that

[buoyant wolf]

But obviously nowhere nearly as good as discrete speakers placed around your living room

[teal fractal]

its better because your audio goes missing in air, whilist your headset keeps speakers much closer to your ear

that also means youre able to detect audio much faster because it has shorter travel to your ear

the only thing headsets are limited in is speaker size

but its a non issue because its directly against your ear

also since headset earcups are pretty much airtight theres no audio going missing

[buoyant wolf]

Of course! I already conceded that headsets have better quality (like wider frequency response range, deeper bass, lower THD, and more optimal impedance).

But where they do NOT have the upper hand is directional sound.

[teal fractal]

why

7.1 surround has existed since what 2011?

you can hear everything behind, everything infront, everthing right/left even diagonally, everythings thats above you

[buoyant wolf]

For the same reason that a surround sound system anchored with the Yamaha RX-A6A receiver is vastly better than the Sonos Arc soundbar.

[ancient flame]

I think its time we get 7.2 surround sound we been waiting forever

lol

[twin gorge]

Because you get a better sense of distance when using surround sound due to better immersion. Headsets are great, but if you have a couple grand to blow, it's almost always better to have surround sound for casual gaming

[buoyant wolf]

There is. Commercially speaking, the highest standard is 11.4.6, offered by Nakamachi for $3.5K

[buoyant wolf]

Thank you!😇

[teal fractal]

i mean sure larger speakers will naturally have a better wider range but you dont need a much wider range when the speakers are against your ear

every professional player uses headsets

because its advantages are much better over speakers

[ancient flame]

I mean for personal home use not Commercial use what you playing on an IMAX Screen powered by Network TV

[buoyant wolf]

So, then why does HyperX use USB 2.0 whereas Yamaha uses HDMI 2.1?

[twin gorge]

because it's easier and makes sense for them. I specified in my previous message that surround sound is better for immersion and casual gaming

They both have pros and cons

[buoyant wolf]

By commercial I mean home, yes. Because no one is buying or selling anything above 11.4.6 unless you’re engineering a movie theater.

[teal fractal]

studio headsets use AMPS and a 3.5mm aux

[twin gorge]

Imagine playing Battlefield in a theatre..

[ancient flame]

imagine playing battlefield at the Sphere

[twin gorge]

Now that's an idea right there-

[teal fractal]

headsets dont require faster transfer speeds either from a wire tbh

[ancient flame]

no thats a terrible idea

[twin gorge]

I never said what kind of idea, I just said an idea

[teal fractal]

its an even bigger upgrade over your standard gaming headsets

[twin gorge]

You'd get insanely sick after about 20 minutes but man would it be fun

[ancient flame]

its not even an idea

thats how dea it is

[teal fractal]

and keep in mind your average headsets have an advantage over your high end speakers lol

high end speakres are for sure cool but you dont have any advantages

[ancient flame]

I use a HyperX Cloud 3 and these things aren't even $100 they work amazing

[buoyant wolf]

A receiver (AMP) is what’s used to power a surround sound system. In my earlier example, the RX-A6A is only the receiver. Even then, Yamaha STILL lets you connect dedicated amplifiers.

[twin gorge]

Bro nobody is disagreeing with you- All we are doing is stating a different side of the same argument

[buoyant wolf]

I know, right? I do that everyday

[teal fractal]

@twin gorge

[twin gorge]

Uhuh? Some of the headsets are insanely expensive

That is just the facts man

[teal fractal]

yeah but like i said you dont even need super high end headsets for that

a lot of cs pros use 160 euro headsets lol

[buoyant wolf]

I know, right? When you can save that money for a surround sound system. Or, at the very least: upgrade your current system’s receiver and buy more bookshelf speakers for it

[twin gorge]

Yet most people still believe they do need them, thus giving the point that PC players "waste money" on expensive headsets

[teal fractal]

also theres studio headsets that cost way less than the entire setup mercedes has

[teal fractal]

nah

[twin gorge]

That's still expensive to most people

[buoyant wolf]

Studio headsets are not better than surround sound systems

[teal fractal]

okay and now ask mercedes how much did it cost him to set his speakers

[teal fractal]

in games they are significally better, even standard gaming headsets are better

your average pc player has pretty low end gaming headsets generally

[twin gorge]

Neither one is better. For casual gamers that have some money they're okay with spending, surround sound is likely a better option. For competitive gamers that want instant response and such, headsets are a better option

[teal fractal]

headsets are better because they have more advantages over speakers (in games). A casual player yes wont need it but it doesnt mean that its better lol

[buoyant wolf]

I’ll concede that it was $600. But, again: this is the price required if you want upper-tier quality (not top-tier and audiophile-grade) and the option to upgrade in the future.

I’d ultimately like a 5.1.4 surround sound system. So, the $250 Logitech Z606 would ultimately be a waste.

[twin gorge]

Brother. I just said that neither one is better, it just depends on personal preference

[teal fractal]

headsets are better though

[twin gorge]

That's your personal preference

[teal fractal]

it isnt

[twin gorge]

You like playing with a headset and are likely a more competitive gamer

[teal fractal]

i could prefer speakers knowing full well that headsets have a much higher advantage over speakers

doesnt mean its better

something that works well for you doesnt = the fact that youre playing on an inferior audio hardware for gaming (and it being better)

[twin gorge]

I play with a headset, that doesn't mean I'm completely closed minded to someone elses preference or playstyle

[teal fractal]

you dont have to be, headsets are just better lol

[twin gorge]

You know that this doesn't ONLY apply to games like Battlefield right?

[teal fractal]

it applies to every game, headsets are just simply better like idk what to tell you lol

[twin gorge]

If you're playing a casual open-world game, surround sound is going to sound much cooler and more immersive

[teal fractal]

idc if you like speakers over headsets you arent gaining any advantages over headsets in any imaginable way

[buoyant wolf]

I’ll give you a very good example. Soundbars with “height” channels (emphasis on the quotation 😉) use up-firing speakers to bounce sound off a wall and back to the listener to simulate sound coming from above.

A receiver with more than 5 channels, however, does so by actually letting you place the speaker on the ceiling.

Can you seriously tell me with a straight face that the sound bar’s height channel is anywhere nearly as good? Well, this technology mirrors how headsets get around not having more than two discrete speakers.

[teal fractal]

cooler doesnt mean its better

[twin gorge]

Neither one is better

It is solely personal preference

[teal fractal]

headsets are better

and you cant bring me 1 reason to why its worse than speakers

[twin gorge]

Great, that's your opinion man

[teal fractal]

its an outright fact

[twin gorge]

Not as immersive.

[teal fractal]

okay and headsets are still better

[echo harbor]

There is no need to prove it of course it's better man you can hear everything around you like what's better than this ha

[buoyant wolf]

I just did in my most recent message. Soundbars literally have to use up-firing speakers. Headsets can’t even do that!

[twin gorge]

@teal fractal

[teal fractal]

not an opinion still

[dense needle]

I choose speakers

Ok gn

[twin gorge]

@buoyant wolf Still up to help with the Draugr?

[teal fractal]

headsets are closer to your ear, the audio has shorter travel to your ear, earcups focus the audio into your ears

[buoyant wolf]

Did you say you’d help shoot down enemy aircraft? I couldn’t really understand sorry

[teal fractal]

its better in practically every aspect youd want from games to have an edge over others

[echo harbor]

And it's feels private only you who can hear not the whole house

[twin gorge]

(Previous message): The main issue I had is I don't have any great weapons against aircraft (Like the AP rounds rather than HE), I've honestly just been trying to wreck tanks in bot modes but I can't do enough damage to make any real progress

[twin gorge]

You forget casual gaming is a huge part of the community

[teal fractal]

you liking speakers and finding them cool doesnt ignore the fact that the guy with 100 euro headset is still getting more detailed audio faster than you

[twin gorge]

You clearly seem troubled over something so little so I am done trying to discuss the matter with you man

[echo harbor]

I can't hear where you coming from with speaker I tried both of them

[teal fractal]

it doesnt matter if youre a casual

you being casual doesnt change the fact that headsets are advantageous over speakers

[buoyant wolf]

Well if you’re watching embarrassing content, of course I’d use my earbuds any day. But that requires nowhere near as much as what HyperX is charging.

Especially when you could use that same money, start off with a Yamaha 5-channel receiver, then slowly start buying more bookshelf speakers then a higher-channel receiver.

[teal fractal]

just because im a casual and play worse gear doesnt change the fact that im on inferior gear

[twin gorge]

@buoyant wolf I sent you a dm

[buoyant wolf]

Oh okay I mean we can still try just let me know when you’re free

[twin gorge]

Right now lol

[teal fractal]

i could be a casual cs player that plays cs on a mechanical keyboard, just because mechanicals are nice it doesnt change the fact that magnetic switches are significally better in every way in that game

[sour hound]

I don't know. I had the same difficulty with the Draugr and eventually gave up on it.

[twin gorge]

I don't know why they don't give you any countermeasures or any real firepower to start. What's the point of making a bomber at that point?

[echo harbor]

It's a good thinking I agree the problem is I see speakers makes me more slower than some one with a headset but good way of thinking

[twin gorge]

Sure the repair system is nice but it won't make a difference if I'm melted in 4 seconds

[buoyant wolf]

Console feed so much data to sound systems that they literally need an HDMI 2.1 cable, the most powerful HDMI standard available.

HyperX doesn’t even use USB 3.0!

[teal fractal]

yes but the speakers are entirely different lol

you dont even need usb 3.0 for usual headsets the sound delay doesnt even really exist on 2.0

even your like 5 euro earphones get instant audio travel

the reason why your speakers use hdmi 2.1 is because they are just outright larger in scale

[echo harbor]

Earphones is faster than speaker yes

[sour hound]

My best guess is just that a large part of the community seems to love unlocks, so maybe people like that. Personally, it doesn't appeal to me. But compared with other fixed-wing aircraft, the Draugr in particular seems to have low capabilities to start, in both firepower and maneuverability.

[teal fractal]

even like extremely old school wire phones that traveled audio through wire were insanely fast

[twin gorge]

It seems like the only way to level it up is to have someone spotting tanks and vehicles on the ground for you to drop NNEMP's on, and then finish them off with an M5 or RPG

[teal fractal]

also games audio tech is so insane nowadays that you dont even really need even the more low end gaming headsets, thats just a raw difference of audio quality but it doesnt mean you cant hear everything perfectly fine

modern like 50 dollar headsets you can pretty much tell apart whats right/left diagnonal directions, up/down and diagonal directions from that

[buoyant wolf]

When comparing individual speakers, I already agreed headsets are better because they can actually cancel outside noises at a far lower cost and inconvenience.

My issue is with the directions, especially outside of left and right.

[sour hound]

Ah, for those assist points. Yeah, that would be nice. I unlocked a few things on the Draugr, but it seemed like nothing was going to be very effective until you get that firebomb. But now that they nerfed the firebomb, I don't even know if it's still good. Anyway, it just wasn't worth the struggle to me. I unlocked everything on the other aircraft, but the Draugr doesn't feel worth the effort.

[twin gorge]

They really nerfed the firebomb?? That sucks- I might still use it here and there to get some points into it but man does it suck using the base unlocks

[kindred sail]

For in game positioning headphones will be better, but if you want immersion, good speakers are on a different level

[teal fractal]

im using 120 euro headsets and i can quite literally hear stuff from the top of my head

not sure what headsets youve had

[buoyant wolf]

HyperX

[teal fractal]

its not about speakers being left or right but its how those speakers are used to cause the effect

[buoyant wolf]

HyperX and Razer can’t come close to Yamaha, JBL, Sony, Panasonic, or any of those industry titans

[teal fractal]

interms of raw audio quality sure

[buoyant wolf]

No, I’m saying in terms of the direction of the sound.

Headsets win in terms of individual speakers

[solar nexus]

Today's the next battlefield news was extremely interesting

[teal fractal]

then youre just wrong

[echo harbor]

About battlefield 6 ?

I don't know but I don't want the era of battlefield 2042 to end at the time

[teal fractal]

like yes headsets that have speakers only on your left and right ear cant possibly send audio directly down on your head because a speaker on your forehead doesnt exist but the way the speakers are used by set programs and the way the audio is being outputted is what makes the difference

[sour hound]

They reduced the radius of some of its effects, at a minimum. I can't find the patch notes right now.

[teal fractal]

even your usual airpods can make an effect of an audio circling around you

its called 8D audio

[buoyant wolf]

From a physics perspective, sound is a wave that vibrates the air around the object emitting it.

That wave travels at Mach 1, the speed of sound, which is 767mph. Headsets can’t even vibrate air. They have to psychoacoustic effects that are even less effective than the soundbar up-firing speakers I talked about earlier, which bounce sound off of walls to simulate sounds coming from above.

[teal fractal]

yeah

so youre gaining no advantages with speakers

[twin gorge]

Gotcha

[teal fractal]

because headsets can perfectly simulate direction of sounds

[sour hound]

"Headsets can’t even vibrate air." 🤣

[buoyant wolf]

Yes, you are. You’re actually emitting sound waves. As opposed to using psychoacoustic effects to make sound coming from your left and right sound like it’s coming from the front, behind, or above.

[twin gorge]

I'm not bad with the jets but with the reduced turn power and such with the bomber, I don't know if it's worth being melted and then trapped under the map to achieve little towards the goal

[still fog]

"headsets can't even vibrate air" Yeah...no

[teal fractal]

if headsets couldnt vibrate air then there would be no sound

dumdum

[solar nexus]

Yes

[buoyant wolf]

Yes. From a physics perspective, the definition of making a sound is emitting a wave that vibrates air around you.

[teal fractal]

ok so if theres no vibration theres no sound

like what

ofc theres vibrations

[sour hound]

...which is what headsets do

[echo harbor]

I head some it was quite interesting actually but I don't feel like its gonna be the best battlefield

[solar nexus]

Today's news

[solar nexus]

Search up battlefield on Google

[echo harbor]

I last head was couple of days ago I guess

What's new

[sour hound]

What else are the diaphragms in headphones for?

[solar nexus]

No. Search up now

[buoyant wolf]

Speakers have far more room to vibrate far more air. So, their native sound is far greater.

Your argument hinges on psychoacoustic effects. Well, newsflash: surround sound systems have psychoacoustic effects too. It’s literally Dolby Atmos and DTS:X on steroids

[teal fractal]

thats just raw audio quality again

[still fog]

Bro went from "headsets cant vibrate air" to "speakers can vibrate more air"

🤡

[sour hound]

🤣 That's my cue to leave. There's no sense being made here.

[buoyant wolf]

No, it’s not. THD, impedance, lower bass, and frequency response range don’t have anything to do with having a lot of air around you to hear a sound.

Don’t believe me? The speed of sound is twice as fast in water. If you can vibrate a medium faster, sound will be faster and louder.

[solar nexus]

Headset doesn't need to vibrate(besides making sound) and it will be difficult to focus. It will be difficult to aim

[buoyant wolf]

So, it follows that emitting sounds from directions you don’t have access to is far easier with a soundbar. And even that has to use up-firing and side-firing sound waves to bounce sound. Among many other less effective psychoacoustics.

[teal fractal]

i mean headsets can simulate where sound comes from on top of how the audio itself plays

[buoyant wolf]

When a kid goes to a pond, does he make waves in the water or in the air? Bruh

[teal fractal]

thats why airpods can make it sound like theres sound above your head, circling around you, purely to the right or left, infront or behind

because the way the audio is played causes that

so yes you can perfectly hear everything behind, above, infront and below

[echo harbor]

I saw some thing but not very interesting what did you saw

[buoyant wolf]

Definitely not “perfectly”

[teal fractal]

youre making it sound like the only things you can hear through headsets are just direction left and direction right and theres no clarity of whats upfront, below, behind, above

[teal fractal]

your speakers cant replicate it perfectly either

[buoyant wolf]

It’s nowhere near as much as a speaker installed in your ceiling and painted down at you

[teal fractal]

aslong as youre able to clearly tell where someone is at exactly with good clarity thats all that matters

[buoyant wolf]

But they can do it way better. Whatever psychoacoustic effects you’re talking about are also available on surround sound systems

[teal fractal]

headsets have surround sound systems aswell

[buoyant wolf]

But seriously though. When a kid goes to a pond, does he make waves in the water or in the air?

So, when us audiophiles say headsets can’t vibrate air effectively, this is what we’re talking about.

[teal fractal]

wdym cant vibrate air effectively when you get extremely good clarity on just starter end of headsets..?

[buoyant wolf]

Y’all can look it up too. This is a widely recognized reason why headsets are worse for directions outside of the left and right

[buoyant wolf]

But not directions that aren’t left and right

[teal fractal]

i could use 40 euro headsets and be able to perfectly tell whats left, right, above, behind, below. the only thing that suffers is the quality of the audio

[still fog]

"us audiophiles" says the man while talking 90% garbage yeah you do you buddy imma let you argue with yourself

[buoyant wolf]

What did I say that’s garbage?

[teal fractal]

that headsets cant simulate sound from above, audio from front, behind and below

you just make it sound like you can only hear things thats to the left or right of you

when its just untrue

[buoyant wolf]

Anything I said about physics, water, air, psychoacoustics, HDMI, Dolby, and DTS can all be factually verified

[teal fractal]

okay and youre still wrong on this

crazy

[buoyant wolf]

The definition of sound is literally a wave that vibrates the air around it.

Headphones have no source on top of you that vibrates air down towards you.

[teal fractal]

yeah because the speaker that would do that doesnt directly exist

its a simulated effect

i have DTS v2 on my headsets and the surround audio clarity is insanely good

[buoyant wolf]

Exactly! And that simulated effect is worse than the native effect.

It’s like video graphics. Native 4K is better than upscaled 4K

[teal fractal]

i can hear everything from a 360 degree radius perfectly

[buoyant wolf]

I’m also a big fan of graphics like I am of audio, too

[teal fractal]

but it isnt because your headsets can simulate the audio clarity better than your speakers could manually

youd need a closed oval shaped room with A LOT of smaller speakers to cause the same effect that headsets simulate

[buoyant wolf]

Let’s try this. What’s better for height channels: an RX-A6A’s discreet bookshelf speaker drilled into the ceiling or the Sonos Arc’s up-firing speaker that bounces sound off of walls?

[teal fractal]

"youd need a closed oval shaped room with A LOT of smaller speakers" is better

[buoyant wolf]

But which one is better?

[teal fractal]

both are bad

well not bad but worse than headsets

[teal fractal]

drilled to the ceiling because your speaker is sending sound to a straight wall which then pretty much splits towards right and left, but you cant make this argument on headsets that have wide round shaped earcups

[buoyant wolf]

Yes, you can. Y’all think I’m crazy but it just makes logical sense.

If a substance is easier to vibrate, by the definition of sound, sound will travel faster through it. Which is why the speed of sound is twice as fast underwater. I used water as a logical analogy.

You can’t compare vibrations in your headset to vibrations coming from a speaker above you

[hearty glacier]

The number 6 looks so cool (If it is the confirmed name)

Just waiting for official announcement to drop!

[teal fractal]

you cant because a speaker from above you doesnt exist

point is is that a 100 euro headset actually more than likely has far better directional audio than your speakers

for surround sound to be better you need far more drivers than just a few speakers

which is why i mentioned that the only thing better would be a oval shaped room full of a lot of drivers

headsets can simulate something that your individual drivers cant do manually because you purely lack the amount of drivers

unless you go for something super extreme cost wise which is just unconventional

also headsets can likely simulate central audio better

[livid bay]

What else would it be named though? 6 continues the naming scheme after 5 and makes a sort of pattern with the naming

4 > 1 > 5 > 2042 > 6

Every other Dice game follows the number order

[teal fractal]

ngl the name doesnt even really matter

its probably even better to name it 6 even tbh

[livid bay]

Fair. It's one of the least important things about a game unless you're in a situation like Hardline

[teal fractal]

because people are more aware and calling it battlefield 6 and every post about it is called battlefield 6

so the name itself already has relevancy

[buoyant wolf]

I think Battlefield 2026 is best

But, no dude, no serious audiophile can argue with a straight face that HyperX delivers better directional audio than Yamaha, especially outside of left and right

[teal fractal]

It doesnt make sense for people to name it that

[teal fractal]

Not better audio quality, better directional audio

[buoyant wolf]

Correct let me chance that. Type on my part

[teal fractal]

Im not arguing that your speakers dont have better quality im saying that headphones have better directional audio

[buoyant wolf]

I’m saying the opposite.

Headphones have plenty of air to vibrate towards your ear canal from the left and right. But not from above and beside.

There’s a lot of psychoacoustic arguments you can make but the definition of sound is the most important metric.

Hell, even your outer ear, head, and shoulders play psychoacoustic roles that headsets can’t take advantage of. Like by casting a shadow on sound waves that your brain can use.

[scenic elm]

least we forget battlefield Vietnam

i know it's a nitpick but you can't forget about Vietnam !

[livid bay]

If we're talking about the whole franchise, then there's no naming scheme at all

There's the year games:

• 1942, 2142, 1943, and 2042
  The number titles:
• 2, 3, 4, 1, and V
  And the Weirdos:
  Vietnam, 2: Modern Combat, Heroes, BC, BC2, Online, Play4Free, and Hardline

[soft whale]

Any bf1 clans to be part? 🙂

So we can play as squads

[granite wyvern]

@sour hound headsets for gaming (not speakers, especially for MP).

[untold lance]

Anyone boosting for trophies on bfv?

[buoyant wolf]

It would be cool to play in a game that actually takes the full one-hour time limit. Intense competition for an hour is fun. Too bad that too many matches are landslide defeats

[winter helm]

if anyone got bf4 hmu i juss started playing again, must have all dlcs thou

[fast bridge]

oh man... so many requirements... that's too many requirements man

[serene stag]

Does anyone have any first hand experience on how bf6 runs?

I wanna know if I need to upgrade or not

I’ve got a Ryzen 7800x3d and rtx 4070 and 1440p monitor. ATM I run bf2042 at 200-240 fps using dlss on the lowest settings. And I wanna know if I can hopefully have identical or similar performance in the new game

[edgy mantle]

It'll run just as well

[limber bough]

It's above minimum and recommended specs

[edgy mantle]

Maybe would go down to 180fps at worst

I could run it at low too but my ocd makes me run 1440p ultra in bf2042 and I only get 80fps

[serene stag]

Fair lol

Do we know the minimum and recommended specs yet

[edgy mantle]

Recommended for bf labs is an rtx 3060 Ti

Minimum is an rtx 2060

[serene stag]

Oh nice, what about CPU’s?

[edgy mantle]

Look it up

Should be there on the labs website

[limber bough]

7800x3d is still a high end cpu

[serene stag]

Yeah

I cannot wait for bf6

[tropic folio]

you'll probably be fine those are good specs

[karmic frigate]

so I decided to try BF4 first on PC

[fast bridge]

ok?

[solid hinge]

so bf reveal end of the month

[teal fractal]

yeah because its a simulated effect and its something your speakers cant do unless you have an insane amount of those drivers

[teal fractal]

its pre alpha still the performance could change a lot

[granite wyvern]

We switch teams if too one sided

[granite wyvern]

Nothing confirmed yet

[slim star]

Hm

[edgy mantle]

Oh please bf2042, BF1, bfv had pretty much the same performance

When comparing alpha to full release

[teal fractal]

are you joking lol

a pre alpha game is always going to run worse or slightly better than full release because theres no full details and texture quality. Pre alphas are always less optimized from full release games

and 2042 didnt even work on release so i wouldnt take it into consideration

[limber bough]

I think hmg is talking about beta performance not alpha

[teal fractal]

idk he said alpha to full release

[limber bough]

It's not even close to true if he actually means alpha

[teal fractal]

yeah its pretty obvious that it isnt idk where hes pulling his info from lol

even release day versions of the game dont run nearly aswell as mid life cycle

[silk cape]

Hi @manic charm is anyone looking to paly battlefeild 4 on africa servers?

[manic charm]

No

[fast bridge]

I assume you were trying to ping everyone... doesn't work on most servers (since they turn it off) & it's just asking for a kick/ban on most servers to even try

why be such an ass to even try it?

[edgy mantle]

personal experience

I've played BFV's alpha I can guarantee you the performance was almost the same in release

Maybe for bf6 you'll lose or gain 5-15 fps in the worst/best case scenario but I'm betting my whole fortune the performance won't drastically change

I can't speak for BF1 or bf2042 but im not expecting it to be different

[teal fractal]

just watch a video on release day 2042

[teal fractal]

also theres pre-alpha, alpha and beta

so you played a closed alpha of an asset flip game that was like what few months prior to release, obviously its going to run fine lol

[edgy mantle]

how much better do you expect the final build of bf6 to run then?

[teal fractal]

it could run worse or better

because they are optimizing the game during pre alpha

[edgy mantle]

do you think the recommended gpu could go up to a 4070 or go down to a 2060?

[teal fractal]

pre alpha is like the most barebones version of a game

[teal fractal]

its never going to 2060 range

[edgy mantle]

for now, the recommended gpu is an rtx 3060 ti and even if the performance improves/worsens in the final game it'll be by a small amount, a 3060 Ti will still run it fine

[teal fractal]

id imagine like 4060/3060ti for like maybe sub 100 fps on low

[hushed vault]

You imagining wrong

[teal fractal]

nah

[edgy mantle]

no way

i have a 3070 laptop I get 120fps on bf2042 1440 ultra

[hushed vault]

Tell em

[edgy mantle]

sometimes it does drop to 70 fps

but usually it sits around 75-120

in most areas it's around 110 and in really intensive areas or places with lots of infantry it settles around 80

[teal fractal]

it doesnt

i can tell you this through videos of the desktop variant gpu being tested in 2042

which heavily outperforms laptop variant gpus

[edgy mantle]

so my eyes have been deceiving me then

I've become illiterate

[teal fractal]

the desktop version of the 3070 runs 86fps 1440p ultra in intensive areas

[edgy mantle]

...

[teal fractal]

laptop variants are generally 40% slower

[edgy mantle]

lmfao what

guess I had a desktop 3070 chucked in my laptop then

[teal fractal]

nah

[fast bridge]

possible though in this case I feel like he's just arguing to argue

he seems to do that alot

[edgy mantle]

a desktop 3070 will perform much better but I am definitely not getting 80fps consistently

[teal fractal]

you get less wattage, slower core frequencies in a laptop

[edgy mantle]

Only in those orbital Cryo areas does it go down to 70

[edgy mantle]

yeah no shit sherlock but the point is I can get over 100fps consistently in bf2042 1440 ultra

[teal fractal]

perform much better and runs worse to your alleged performance of your 3070 laptop? lol

[teal fractal]

if a desktop cant achieve it then your laptop isnt achieving it either

unless you lowered your render distance to hell to get it

[edgy mantle]

a desktop 3070 will also get similar if not better performance

[teal fractal]

i have a 6650xt it runs 120-140 all low with fairly low render distance lol

[teal fractal]

laptop and desktop gpus arent comperable

like i said your laptop gpu gets far less wattage and lower core frequencies

[edgy mantle]

On paper, yes

But I've found my laptop to run the game just fine on 1440 ultra

If you're getting 120-140 all low then it does seem possible but I mentioned that I get 110-120 fps MOST of the time, it definitely worsens to 70-80 in cramped areas

[teal fractal]

it can but youre outright lying about your laptop performance if a better gpu of a desktop isnt even running the game on the exact same config lol

[edgy mantle]

On low 1440 I get 150-160fps

[edgy mantle]

i don't know man, maybe the video you've seen is of an old build or the cpu is different

[teal fractal]

so you only gain 30 fps from dropping from ultra to low?

crazy

makes 0 sense

[teal fractal]

its from 1 year ago

[edgy mantle]

yeah?

you expect it to go to 200

[teal fractal]

nah its due to the fact that desktop gpu is better lol

[edgy mantle]

but the point is the game is much more stable

on low the 1% lows are around 90fps

Even if I only gain 30 fps the game runs much smoother

[teal fractal]

yeah because you arent getting 120 fps on ultra

[edgy mantle]

My laptop 3070 is overclocked maybe that's a factor

But I doubt it's that big

[teal fractal]

youre still wattage limited with limited core frequencies

[edgy mantle]

alright then what do you propose then

i get 60fps and I need an eye test?

it's around 100-120fps in many areas without weather effects, and in cramped areas or rainy places it goes down to 70

[teal fractal]

its impossible for a 3070 laptop version to run roughly the same as a desktop variant

so yes youre lying

[edgy mantle]

it's overclocked to oblivion

[teal fractal]

it doesnt matter if its overclocked youre still wattage limited with limited core frequencies

[edgy mantle]

I'm not saying a laptop runs roughly the same but I am definitely not getting 80fps at best

[teal fractal]

thats what the desktop variant is reaching so yeah you arent

youre getting lower

[edgy mantle]

ok I'm getting lower

I get 40fps

happy?

[teal fractal]

also the tests done without DLSS or framegen theres a 30-40% difference in performance on the 3070 desktop vs laptop

[edgy mantle]

ah, without dlss i get around 80-90fps

dlss quality is where it goes to 120 frames

[teal fractal]

yeah idk about that one chief

[edgy mantle]

I'll open the game and run it and send it to you hang on

[teal fractal]

post settings aswell

btw bf1 on all low 200% rescale for my 6650xt runs at 120 fps at 1080p

with filters turned off

[teal fractal]

3070TI desktop with 1440p ultra dlss set to quality runs at 90 fps

so no you arent reaching 120 lol

90% fps is 75 fps

with drops down to 60

RAM - G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5 (2*16) 32 GB OC @6000MHz
MOBO - Asus TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI
CPU - Intel Core i7 13700KF
GPU - Asus ROG Strix RTX 3070 Ti OC 8GB

[edgy mantle]

You've seen it

Getting 90-100fps

[teal fractal]

yeah desktop gets that

your laptop gpu is 30% slower

[edgy mantle]

my guy I got that with a 3070 laptop

[teal fractal]

keep in mind the desktop is a TI OC variant of the card

which is even faster than the regular 3070

[edgy mantle]

you've seen the photos

I'll send them to anyone else who needs them

[teal fractal]

you sent me photos on an empty map with nothing going on

[edgy mantle]

jesus christ that is renewal

[teal fractal]

obviously youll get higher performance lol

[edgy mantle]

with a tank in front of me and a shit load of soldiers

[teal fractal]

whats funny is that you get 91 fps on an empty AI lobby with nothing going on and youre claiming youre getting upto 120

[edgy mantle]

I sent you the photo of me getting 125fps too

The 91fps was without dlss

[limber bough]

The fps you get 99% of the time matters

[edgy mantle]

I chose an empty ai lobby since my region is dead as hell but sure I'll find a full lobby and show you the fps there too

[teal fractal]

yeah

its not even showing

he probs had a spike on an empty match and says hes getting 120 fps consistent

[edgy mantle]

I might as well email my rig to you and then show it

[teal fractal]

because the 3070ti OC isnt even reaching 120 on a desktop in an actual lobby

[edgy mantle]

sit tight kid let me find a match and show you

[teal fractal]

https://youtu.be/ojtDPr0TOtI?t=1093

[edgy mantle]

that's a cool video but it doesn't apply to me

and here's the thing, i get 120fps but the 1% lows are still awful

[teal fractal]

idk man apparently your laptop variant gpu gets 50 more 90% fps than a 3070ti OC desktop card

💀

[edgy mantle]

so it's not like I'm magically conjuring a supercomputer

[edgy mantle]

guess I got lucky then

[teal fractal]

quite literally impossible

[edgy mantle]

alright found a lobby here

[teal fractal]

send a video of you actually playing

[edgy mantle]

i can't since I'm in a busy loud household and I wouldn't like my personal stuff being heard but I can send photos

[teal fractal]

just screen record like a normal person

[edgy mantle]

that reduces fps...

[teal fractal]

i mean it doesnt matter because if a 3070ti oc isnt reaching that in an actual player match with him recording that hes playing agaisnt real people and actually playing then your laptop cant either

[edgy mantle]

if that's what makes you comfortable then so be it

[teal fractal]

i imagine youre getting around 40-50 fps on a 90% with ultra 1440p dlss quality enabled if the desktop 3070ti is getting around 70-80

[tropic folio]

unless you're playing on a toaster it's negligible

[teal fractal]

yeah i dont get any frame drops while recording

maybe like super small amount but not really

and i record 100 bit rate at 4k 60fps

[teal fractal]

also the result im talking about here was recorded on a seperate pc with a capture card

so the video i sent isnt getting frame drops from recording

[edgy mantle]

I sent you a video of me getting 70-85 fps on 1440 ultra with no dlss

If that doesn't satisfy you enough I don't know what will

Good day

[sage elbow]

Uh, my previous PC with a 3080 was getting 200+fps in bf2042, at 1080p no DLSS (1440p quality is lower res)

[teal fractal]

outside of combat area

and i cant even tell what settings you have because your recording doesnt show the settings before you went ingame

[teal fractal]

his laptop gpu is allegedly getting 125fps at 1440p all ultra with dlss quality

3070 btw

[edgy mantle]

you've seen it

[teal fractal]

i havent

[sage elbow]

I mean yeah that is high, but the guestimate of 3070ti desktop playing at 70-80fps seems really low

[teal fractal]

if desktop variant cant reach it (a 3070ti oc) then your laptop isnt either

[edgy mantle]

what are you even trying to prove at this point my guy

im getting around 80-115 fps in bf2042 on 1440 ultra, and that's all I need

[teal fractal]

okay but you arent

its not possible

[edgy mantle]

Then I'm not

[teal fractal]

i just dont see why youd lie about it tbh

[edgy mantle]

Me neither.

[kindred sail]

Unless you're testing this in a controlled scenario the FPS will be all over the place, if the game has a SP try benchmarking there and doing pretty much 3 runs

[edgy mantle]

you come in 2 hours later assuming battlefield 2042 has a singleplayer and restarting a war

[kindred sail]

Since 2042 doesn't have SP, I'd do 2 tests, empty maps and then full maps, on the full maps you'll get different results

well it doesn't 😄

also 128p maps run at a way lower FPS compared to 64

[summer forge]

Y’all actually tried having a conversation with Sheldon

Y’all will never learn

[teal fractal]

just regularly playing the game is the best way to actually benchmark though lol

because thats an usual experience

which is what the guy in the benchmark is doing

whilist hmg sends me picture of him sitting in redzone in AI game

[random blade]

Using a benchmark tool or solo lobby to test performance is like using one of those rocky floors you find in shoe shops

[teal fractal]

solo lobby is like using pillows for your feet on a soft dirt ground lol

obviously going to be much easier on your feet

[edgy mantle]

yeah sure buddy

that was like 3 photos

and i sent a video of myself on a full 128 lobby afterwards on a flag
what more do you want man should i mail my laptop to your home and mail all my assets too to replicate the exact optimal conditions in which i play? or will you point out that the laptop was exposed to different air pollution levels so the performance varies 😭

NDA...

you guys have a separate discord right? discuss it there

[scenic gale]

Not sure. I guess I'll have a look for it. ty

[teal fractal]

You were legit standing alone outside of combat lol

And i cant even tell what settings you had

[edgy mantle]

I dunno man having an LAV or whatever it was firing at me seems like combat

[edgy mantle]

i, sent. the. photo.

[teal fractal]

Because you cant do a decent benchmark

[teal fractal]

Send photo change settings go in lobby and send fps photos

So easy to lie about it lol

[edgy mantle]

yeah sure buddy

im lying about it

i get 30-35 fps on 1080 low

because its a laptop

[teal fractal]

Send a normal screen record like a normal person

Youre sending performance figures that arent possible

[edgy mantle]

i did, and guess what,
A) The file is too big
B) It cut my FPS by 40

[edgy mantle]

Whats not possible is an overclocked rtx 3070 Ti getting 70-80fps on bf2042 1440 ultra

Like jesus christ have you referred to any other video

Suppose it is possible, i'm still getting 80-90fps without dlss on my 3070 laptop

[teal fractal]

Yeah a desktop 3070TI OC thats 30% significally faster than your laptop 3070 performing worse

[edgy mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbwuqU5fCyM

This guy's getting 95-100fps

On a non-overclocked 3070 Ti

Lol it goes to 120 too

at 3:27

In fact it runs better than mine

[teal fractal]

Blud sent me a 1080p bench

[edgy mantle]

Sure that was a screw up I saw the description as 1440 but my point still stands though, my 3070 laptop can get 90 fps consistently as a minimum in bf2042 on 1440 ultra

I sent you the photos and videos too

And the settings as well

[teal fractal]

1080p all ultra at 120fps and dude says hes getting 125 all ultra at 1440p 🥀

[edgy mantle]

Yes I am

You saw the proof what's more to it 😭

Sure it doesn't get 125 consistently all the time its more like 90-110 but whatever

125 is when I'm at the deployment HQ or in less intensive areas like the skyscrapers on hourglass

And I overclocked it by like 300mhz on the core and 750 on the memory too

[kindred sail]

you'd need to have the same map and zone on the map to even have similar results, plus is there AI only or players as well, quite rough to test this

[kindred sail]

make sure to put the fans 100% then

[edgy mantle]

I sent him a video of a real player match when I was getting shot at

[edgy mantle]

Still got 80ish fps when he claims I should be getting 40 😭

That too without dlss

[kindred sail]

it depends on settings

[edgy mantle]

1440p Ultra

[kindred sail]

well yeah but even ultra isn't ultra

[edgy mantle]

jesus christ

[kindred sail]

don't know if in ultra the nvidia boost is on or off

or if DLSS is on or off

[teal fractal]

Whatever way he will bench this with, his laptop gpu physically cant output the performance of a 3070ti oc desktop gpu

Its not possible

[kindred sail]

well yeah 3070 desktop is not 3070 laptop

[edgy mantle]

Nvidia boost is on yes

[kindred sail]

foe xample I got a 3080 ti on my laptop and a 2080 ti on the desktop

[edgy mantle]

With DLSS I can pump it to 110 consistently

[teal fractal]

Yeah but hes posting fps figures equal and claims its true

[edgy mantle]

You crank a 3070 that much you get what you see

[kindred sail]

and the 3080 ti laptop is not as powerful as the 2080 ti, laptop is 1080p and desktop is 1440p

[edgy mantle]

Look you can throw your paper arguments all you want but in the real world it just works

Sure it may drop to 65-70 in super intensive areas but there's no way it's as bad as you're making it seems

[teal fractal]

Its literally an impossiblity

[edgy mantle]

How much fps do you think I should be getting then?

[kindred sail]

it also depends how the benchmarking was done on youtube

what stuff is running in the background and so on

[teal fractal]

30-40% less than than gpu variants

[kindred sail]

and if you got a video of the FPS I think that pretty much should be conclusive

[teal fractal]

That doesnt really affect fps much nowadays since everyone runs pretty much a minimum of 32gb of ram

[kindred sail]

what alos plays a role is when the benchmarks from youtube were done

[edgy mantle]

You're the smart calculator I expect you to tell me the fps

[teal fractal]

I just told you

30-40% less

[kindred sail]

you'd be surprised

[edgy mantle]

I give up on this

[teal fractal]

So if 3070ti oc desktop got 99% at 74fps you get around 51 in the same scenario or less

With same settings

[edgy mantle]

Sounds about right

[teal fractal]

Yeah because 74/100= 0.74 being 1% so 30*0.74 is 22.2

[next valley]

hi guys, anyone willing to join a BF5 Outpost game (PC) we try to launch?

[tropic folio]

how are you two still going

[teal fractal]

Idk he keeps trying to prove that laptop gpus are better than desktop ones

Its fine ill just keep proving him wrong each time

[edgy mantle]

Which platform?

[edgy mantle]

I said that, but I was proven wrong. You win.

[next valley]

PC

[kindred sail]

Can't remember very accurately but I think there were some nvidia series which used the desktop variant of the die on laptops

But probably even with that the cooling on laptops will limit you

[edgy mantle]

ah shucks I can't come on now, will tomorrow be on?

[kindred sail]

And then there are power settings in windows and on laptop software

[next valley]

yeah it might, I'm quite active around this hour every day, but its quite difficult to play outpost these days :/

[edgy mantle]

ouch lol it is 9 o clock nighttime where I am and I don't think my dorm wifi is on so I don't think I can play, sorry about that

[next valley]

it's ok bro, thanks anyway!

[rough mauve]

Is there a good heli pilot online ?
Trying to get my mastery up for platinum.

[light ridge]

https://youtu.be/qw45Y_lhH4Y?si=2Bipv9IVWW3VzWO0

[buoyant wolf]

Bro, surround sound headphones aren’t even as good as the Sonos Arc soundbar, which at least reflects sound waves off of walls and the ceiling. So, how can you say that they can compare to bookshelf speakers drilled throughout your living room and united by a Yamaha RX-A6A receiver?

Even my current receiver, the RX-V385, is better from a purely ear-level perspective. And I haven’t even bought height channels yet!

[steep coral]

Hola algún español de Europa que quiera jugar battlefield v en PC

[edgy geyser]

Is there anyone among you who plays BF1?

[teal fractal]

plenty community servers if youre looking for people to play with

[edgy geyser]

ok thanks

[dense needle]

speakers an dheadphones are not good

headsets are 🙂

[past bear]

yo ando en el servidor Eu jugando as well

[warped patrol]

Can somebody decide if i should download bf1 or bo3? Or bf2024? Ps4

[kindred sail]

You have all of those or deciding which one to buy?

[warped patrol]

Have all

But dont know which to download

Cuz i have room for 1

[kindred sail]

well is it for multi or single player?

my take on this is if single play them one after the other

if multi then it's tricky

BF 1 is still active but not like PC or the newer gen consoles and crossplay doesn't exist so you play only vs PS 4 if I know it right

BO3 no idea since I only play campaigns in COD, last COD multi waws COD 2 during LAN parties

[warped patrol]

Mostly multiplayer

[kindred sail]

As for 2042 same thing like with BF 1 you can only play with PS4

So since COD titles come out each year I guess BO3 will have the least population in multi since it's 10 years (almost)

My guess is BF 1

[warped patrol]

So i should download bf1?

[kindred sail]

I'd say so

use server browser to find games, reset the filter and under free slots select, none, 1-5, 6-10 and 10 + then you will see all servers, under full filter you can select your region

you never played any of them or just returning?

[warped patrol]

I have all 3 somewhat

But out of all 3 the most bf2024 then bo3 and last but not least bf1

[kindred sail]

start with BF 1 if you don't like it go to 2042 and if that doesn't work try BO3

[dense needle]

i got bf1

im broke so i cant buy bf 2042

[warped patrol]

Its on ps plus

[dense needle]

thanks

[kindred sail]

@warped patrol if you got a decent download speed 500Mbit or 1 Gig downloading all 3 should take 10-20 min

[dense needle]

loads

i dont get it

[warped patrol]

And its 8€

[dense needle]

0_0

meh

not much

[warped patrol]

We have 100mbit and its limited to 50 cuz my dad said my ps4 takes all the internet

@kindred sail

[kindred sail]

only if you download, playing games won't take much bandwidth

but yeah 100Mbit is going to take a while

[warped patrol]

Yeah i download constanly new games and shiii

So he put max 50mbit

[kindred sail]

well then start downloading, it will take a few hours

or let it download over night since I guess, you don't have to wait then

[warped patrol]

I am gonna start downloading tomorrow

Also thanks for your opinion

[dense needle]

i wanne use emojis/stickers from other servers

[kindred sail]

well hope it helps, but my recommendation is trying out all of them and see which you like most, for me it would be right as rain that BF 1 would be the choice

[robust ibex]

im honestly mega disappointed the new bf wont have the + attachment menu from 2042
for all its faults thats such a massive w... why would u leave it in the dust

[random blade]

So that customising the weapon has actual choice involved

It makes sense given the focus on agency over restriction that the game had but it did kind of strip away any level of commitment with a weapon setup

[dim marsh]

Speaking of, what do you guys think the pose launch content will be like?

[random blade]

No clue

I’m going to assume awful and base a purchase on what’s there at launch

If the game launches awfully then it’ll be another 2 years of reworks and overhauls

[urban lark]

I’m going to be vague since a lot of BF6 details are NDA and idk what the mods think of discussing leaks but

50 weapons have been data mined apparently. I doubt it’s all at launch but it’s already way more than 2042 launch weapon count. At least 20 are more than probably post launch content

So as far as guns goes? Already way better than 42

[tidal shuttle]

plus system dilutes your loadout just don’t make an ahh class

[dim marsh]

I just want new weapons and maps to play on

[urban lark]

Plus system doesn’t force committing to a particular range or play style and also ruins gun balancing entirely when you can perfectly adapt your play style to virtually any range in 2 seconds

Basically neuters SMGs and shotguns unless the map forces clusters of infantry into 2 spots (not necessarily good map design btw)

[dim marsh]

There are a lot of classic weapons we didn’t see on the list, like the F2000

Was the AS Val on there or no?

[random blade]

I’m far more fussed by maps than weapons to be honest. A weapon pool could have 50 guns but if there aren’t fun ones like the crossbow or mare’s leg it’ll all feel rather samey

[tidal shuttle]

put a test range in the new bf6 and its actual values

fixed-

[urban lark]

Well there’s only so much ‘different’ guns can really be, but I think variety is still important just to engage with people who wanna use something they’ve seen irl or in a movie

[tidal shuttle]

Every other fps has one and I think it would particularly fit inside of a bf in terms of making your loadout

[random blade]

If they can make 50 feel fun to use where it’s a conscious choice to pick each one, then wuhay we have a winner

[random blade]

Yeah I’m not a gun nut but I’ve seen many people fight for a weapon they want just cause of its history or media presence or whatnot as their sole reason

In which case I can understand it

[urban lark]

Getting 50+ entirely unique guns is impossible especially considering how homogenized guns are today anyways with factions like NATO all adopting different looking rifles with the same cartridge

It’s about the drip

[tidal shuttle]

the problem was the choices you made with your class in previous bfs was vague description and values weren’t present

so people made ahh loadouts without knowing it

[random blade]

I remember getting bombarded after saying I didn’t like the m4

Good times

[urban lark]

Not that we are aware of

[dim marsh]

Just looked and no it’s not there, nor is the PP-2000 or the SCAR-H

[urban lark]

I just hope BF6 has actually good gun customization. BF guns are boring af

[urban lark]

Only SCAR-L at the moment

[tidal shuttle]

It’s p simplistic over the years bf1 just had dif variants

of the same gun

[urban lark]

In general or in BF?

[random blade]

In general

I hate how it looks

[tidal shuttle]

M4? Or m416

[random blade]

It’s like shooting out of a power bank

Also both

Maybe it’s because it’s become ‘the default’ and so it looks boring in comparison but I just think near enough every other gun looks better

[tidal shuttle]

I was indifferent lol but like 9/10 times when you pick up a class from the ground it had an m416 on it

[urban lark]

I was never a fan of the m416 ngl

As for the M4 I’m neutral on it

I prefer the M16 aesthetically

[random blade]

But then again I don’t really have a favourite gun

I just sort of look at the pool a game has and decide which from that looks the coolest

[urban lark]

Same

BF6 is looking like it has really good gun choices though

[random blade]

Having a mate who is an absolute gun mechanics and history nerd makes that fact excruciating at times…

[tidal shuttle]

Aug was the coolest

[random blade]

Using the aug in phantom forces on the crane map was a core memory

[urban lark]

I’m biased against bullpups with the exception of the tavor

Even then the tavor is kinda bulky so I’m slightly meh towards it

[random blade]

Oh yeah that’s the fora in stalker 2. Pretty alright looking

[robust ibex]

im more interested in good maps
i feel like there's like two 2042 maps i rly vibe with...

i still feel bf1 is never getting beat on immersiveness
thank god ppl still play it

[urban lark]

Guns and maps are both equally important and variety in both is make or break for bf6

But yeah, orbital, manifest and the earthquake map are the only 42 maps I actually liked

[robust ibex]

i like the singapore one with shipping containers... tho i cant recall its name

manifest should b right

[buoyant wolf]

Buy Xbox Game Pass Ultimate

[dense needle]

im on ps

[buoyant wolf]

I see. I don’t have a PlayStation but they probably have a similar subscription plan

What are y’all’s graphics settings? I play on Xbox Series X with a VIZIO gaming TV that has HDMI 2.1, VRR, ALLM, AMD FreeSync, 4K @ 60Hz (and 1080p @ 120Hz), and Dolby Vision.

[dense needle]

HDMI 2

[quiet pecan]

Who wants to drop the battlefield dam leak

[buoyant wolf]

Wym? So like what other graphics settings do you use? All I know about HDMI 2.0 is it allows up to 4K @ 60Hz and 5.1 Uncompressed. Is that what you meant to say?

[quiet pecan]

Mercedes drop the leak rq