community-update-classes

[mild rock]

The new scorebnoard does well at that too.

Like yeah make peoples contribution to the team more transparent.

Make people race to the top with revives. Just ironically the top people with revives are the ones who have that bit of a brain.

[shy slate]

Im so glad the scrapped the actions based scoreboard.

[humble root]

it's a small map with vehicles, makes sense that there are more engineers than assault, doesn't it?
also better than everone playing assault and not helping the team

[mild rock]

Oh have they gotten rid of that in the new battlefield

has the scoreboard been changed up

ehhhh I understand 2042's scoreboard can be messy.

[shy slate]

Its XP based

[tropic vine]

XP based? Well supportive actions and flag caps give lots of XP

[mild rock]

I used to hit 20K semi consistently back in bf5.

I need to find my 160-0 game

I had tonnes there

[vagrant pebble]

Average Boris can't even comprehend they are using an engineer focused on killing vehicles even when they pull out a rocket launcher

2042 brought us this btw

[muted sandal]

Yeah useless players didn't exist prior to 2042 btw

[shy slate]

You are in the same tier of player as these "Average boris" players BTW

[vagrant pebble]

Useless players will exist

[humble root]

why do you assume that nobody did anything, when we infact won the round?

[mild rock]

"The average boris" it's not like those players have always existed LOL

I found my owotroller

[tropic vine]

Bro can barely figure out the basic functions of the game and yet is trying to act like his opinion on core gameplay features is relevant

[tropic vine]

because the enemy team did less than nothing

[vagrant pebble]

I didn't wanted to bring ''skill factor'' into the argument but I'm probably a better player than you

[humble root]

all the complaints about medics not reviving back in BF3 & 4 days, were not real, right?
that never happened, everyone revived and resupplied like crazy

[shy slate]

I can forever post this when you say things like this

[tropic vine]

You cannot even read enough to know what character you're playing

[muted sandal]

Also kinda funny to try pin it all on unlocked primaries when 2042 is the first game to have forced crossplay with consoles and Game Pass/EA Play tourists.

[shy slate]

Player so skillful, they forget what class they are playing

[muted sandal]

Also abandoned by BF fans so it just has a more casual playerbase in general

[vagrant pebble]

BF3 and 4 had terrible class balance

Just like 2042

I wonder what caused that 😂

[tropic vine]

according to some on the sub, joining when bf1 came out (9 years ago) makes u a tourist

[humble root]

class locked weapons

[vagrant pebble]

Unlocked

Everyone had carbines and DMRs

[tropic vine]

The most used weapons in BF4 were all ARs lol

[muted sandal]

NGL I agree with any shade thrown at BF1 players.

[vagrant pebble]

Carbines are basically ARs

[mild rock]

Engineer had to use carbines.

Do you actually think

[tropic vine]

irrelevant argument

[shy slate]

"Damn, I was using a DMR and forgot I had a rocket launcher" SBMM (Probably)

[mild rock]

Engineer weapons were PDW's. They were NOT good for bf4 maps.

Are you actually kidding me.

[vagrant pebble]

BF4 had terrible class balance like I said

[mild rock]

It's why they had to use things like the ACW-R.

[muted sandal]

Most Engineers in BF4 refused to use their class locked weapons

[mild rock]

I wonder why they refused to use PDW's huh.

[vagrant pebble]

It's a relic of BF2 era system

SMG Engi was a thing in BF2

[tropic vine]

Fair enough, they were stupid enough to never vote for Prise de Tahure so insult away

[muted sandal]

And on tight infantry maps/modes you'd rob yourself and the team of any useful utility if you wanted to play with SMG by picking Engineer

[mild rock]

Yeah SMG Engineer was counter intuitive.

AS VAL was a cool gun and all but no.

[muted sandal]

(Either way it's wrong to call them tourists)

[tropic vine]

This isn't CoD where there's never teamplay, this is Battlefield where sometimes there is teamplay but sometimes you are forced into useless roles 😎

I'm happy that nowadays we get a broader range of gadgets for every class

[muted sandal]

Also locking down the rep tool and medcrate is the play

No more guessing if someone will mend you or not...

I mean they still probably wont, but they could

[shy slate]

Its what they have done, but also with ammo

[vagrant pebble]

Next game won't have any more teamplay than CoD anyways

[shy slate]

Maybe you wont

Cos as you admitted, you play for the weapon, not the class role

[vagrant pebble]

I play for both

[shy slate]

👍

[vagrant pebble]

No need to use anything but assault and meta AR+SMG in the next game

[tropic vine]

the common denominator is you. I will experience teamplay, but you won't because you don't even know what class you're playing

[vagrant pebble]

They added overkill from CoD anyways 🥰

[muted sandal]

Lets not pretend that 99% of teamplay with randoms in Battlefield isn't just exchanging crates in a ditch or reviving the fallen...

[vagrant pebble]

I don't want anything more

[mighty zealot]

I’m assumed it’s cause they didn’t have any friends to do team play WITH

[tropic vine]

Probably nobody wants to play with them because they don't realize they can revive as Falck 💔

[mighty zealot]

True true

[mighty zealot]

someone spots an enemy

“Wow, there’s so much team play!” -that guy probably

[vagrant pebble]

It's quite baffling to me when I play for kills yet I want class locked weapons but you play for gadgets yet still don't want it 😂

[tropic vine]

it actually makes perfect sense

[vagrant pebble]

Why?

Assault + SMG will be more OP for me

As it was in 2042

[light quarry]

its so damn funny you can just counter him with one screenshot xD

[humble root]

how would class locking help with that?!

[shy slate]

It was a gift I wont soon lose. every time they call another group of players low IQ...I have this

[vagrant pebble]

I wouldn't be able to use best weapons with best class

[humble root]

[mighty zealot]

People would still just use the best weapon, even if the class sucked, cause all about kills

[muted sandal]

But weren't Assault Rifles the best weapons just 10 minutes ago? Did you forget which primaries you chose again? SMH my head...

[mighty zealot]

Gadgets are secondary

[shy slate]

I think you will. I think youre that type of player. Youll just find the most selfish class for kill/self heals...and run that.

[tropic vine]

Because gadgets are of no concern to you, and Assault with class locked weapons gets the "best" stuff, so ultimately you have no reason to care.

I want to play my fav class roles, but if my favs guns are locked to other classes it makes that difficult.

[vagrant pebble]

ARs are the best weapon class in the current state, it will essentially devolve into SMG meta

As people will realize maps are tiny and SMGs are faster

[muted sandal]

FWIW I actually think the same

[mighty zealot]

Locking weapons won’t fix that

[vagrant pebble]

They will

ARs won't be able to contest with SMGs in SMG ranges

[mighty zealot]

Realistically the only way to fix that is locking classes to one person per squad but that would stupid

[tropic vine]

Bro thinks all the maps are tiny because that's the only stuff he's seen

[vagrant pebble]

Even the big map is tiny

Uh.

Capstone

Maps we've seen were 2/3 of BFV maps

[shy slate]

Capstone is a medium map

[vagrant pebble]

Mid size BFV maps

Capstone wouldn't have had air vehicles if it was in BFV

Or 2042

Maps are tiny in general which will lead to SMG meta

[shy slate]

You should take care of your knees. they are sure to become worn with all this jumping to conclusions

[tropic vine]

I can't even respond to this, it's left me speechless

[humble root]

so let's class lock SMGs, so everyone will play the same class

[vagrant pebble]

I will still play assault

Assault kit is better, I just won't have access to best weapons

[humble root]

you don't make any sense, you contradict yourself😂

[light quarry]

smg meta will devolve into shotgun meta, shotguns! /s

[vagrant pebble]

Do you guys want another re-run of Mackay PP29 meta?

[muted sandal]

SMG is the Engineer class weapon BTW. They'd just repeat BF4's mistake if they class locked them.

[vagrant pebble]

Class lock them to recon

Spec ops

[shy slate]

pp29 players are low skill. AC9 is better

[muted sandal]

SpecFor is Carbines but I wouldn't mind

[tropic vine]

You think we've seen the biggest map, and you think DICE's obligation to balance things ends at locked guns. Fishbowl ahh world view right there

[vagrant pebble]

I don't see many other maps having air vehicles tbh 😂

[tropic vine]

There's always secretly a gun or two that's superior to the "meta" choice, especially later on in the game's life

[shy slate]

DICE: we are testing movement and gunplay

DICE: Gives testers small maps on which to test movement and gunplay

Players: All maps are small, SMGs will be the meta

[tropic vine]

how old are you

[vagrant pebble]

24

[tropic vine]

[vagrant pebble]

[tropic vine]

It kinda sucks that the next game only has 3 maps, but what can ya do I suppose

Probably gonna downgrade my preorder to the Deluxe Edition because of this

[muted sandal]

I'm gonna boycott MW2 over this

[vagrant pebble]

You guys are clueless about the game you are going to receive in the end 😂

[shy slate]

Who is clueless?

[vagrant pebble]

I'm never wrong, just early

[tropic vine]

Homie stopppp 😭 pleeeasssse

[humble root]

[muted sandal]

It's gonna be interesting to see how the slowed down movement works out

I foresee a much campier game

Until people figure out how to equip smokes on every class (they still wont)

[vagrant pebble]

I expect MW roman numeral 2, from maps to gunplay to movement

[tropic vine]

i'm of the opinion that a slightly (and I mean slightly) slower BFV would be nice

Really just the slide was unnaturally long, unless your character bathed in butter before each match

[vagrant pebble]

@shy slate can screencap this too

[shy slate]

Why would I. I screencapped the above because it proves you are a low IQ player

[vagrant pebble]

See you guys when it comes out lol

[shy slate]

Are you going somewhere?

[tropic vine]

preorder that ultimate edition even if it has unlocked guns

[sacred wave]

Are skins going to be clown as hell?

[muted sandal]

We wont know til it's too late

[sacred wave]

I mean it's strange how everyone has no problem with that

[muted sandal]

I think most people do TBH

[sacred wave]

They'll be like:
Damn this game is bad

Oh let's buy it

[sacred wave]

I don't know if they are like cod or not

[muted sandal]

2042 got a lot of flak for the Boris Santa skin, etc

So they didn't implement it

But now that years have passed they've begun adding weirder skins to 2042

[sacred wave]

Did people buy it? I mean did you see the skins a lot in the game cuz I never played 2042

[muted sandal]

They never added it

[sacred wave]

Why can't they give us bundles like uniform customization. Like bfv

[tropic vine]

Yeah that will happen again. Fortunately with the larger teams it makes it less apparent

[muted sandal]

And honestly there are some goofier skins in 2042 but nothing even remotely close to COD

[shy slate]

It was datamined, was never advertised as coming to the game. Same with many other skins

[tropic vine]

SHHHHHHHHHHH they probably hate that word in here

[sacred wave]

Or skins with a certain uniform that doesn't kill the vibe

[sacred wave]

Datamined

[tropic vine]

(Oh i thought u meant new stuff not old stuff, nevermind)

[muted sandal]

I mean they just recently added Dead Space skins to 2042, like that makes any sense...

[light quarry]

i dont think any clown skins, different flavour camo maybe but mostly like nameplate and dogtag esque things

[muted sandal]

They're desperately trying to create some Shared EA Universed crap... I can't wait to play as Messi from FC2025 in BF6!!

[sacred wave]

They can put some camouflage uniforms as free for grinders then add a "premium" to do the microtransaction

[sacred wave]

They are failing. They are not Activision

[shy slate]

Dead Space skin makes perfect sense, Motive just joined Battlefield Studios after having remade Dead Space 1. They did a themed event based on that game

[muted sandal]

Don't encourage them!!!

[sacred wave]

Encourage to fail?

[tropic vine]

I hate collabs in most games, including this

[sacred wave]

2042 was very warzone-like
I hope the live service system is not like that

[muted sandal]

Oh yeah right, a war torn world hit by weather control super weapons is where we'd expect to see a Sci Fi asteroid miner shooting The Things

[shy slate]

No fun allowed I guess.

[muted sandal]

You're God damn right!

[sacred wave]

No fun no pay

They can also give us the option to turn off skins

[muted sandal]

That'll never happen

A lot of people buy skins to show off to others (lol)

[sacred wave]

They are cod players

I HOPE bf fans are nro like that

[muted sandal]

With that said I'm gonna learn how to code and create a super hack that forces default skins for everyone in all modern games and become a gorillionaire();

[mild rock]

Most people just want to personalise.

[dull pier]

i dont get why you'd want to show off a skin anyone can get with 0 effort lol

[mild rock]

Dead space was the wackiest we ever got but I personally felt it wasn't disingenuous. At least with the gun skins.

[dull pier]

not you as in you you btw)

[dusk ether]

Anyone else just run default skin in every game

[muted sandal]

Inside you are two cosmetics:

One is an all-black sweat camo; The other an obnoxious pink fluffy unicorn.

[dull pier]

i usually do now

cant earn shit for free anymore ever

[muted sandal]

Zero effort? I paid $30 for it! What are you, poor?

[dull pier]

i just dont need to buy skins that look like visual throw up, also i know atleast 1 person unironically thinks like this

[muted sandal]

Yeah if you wanna know more of em, join any COD/Warzone sub lmao

FWIW I enjoy tinkering with cosmetics, I just prefer they'd stay thematic to the rest of the game(s)

[dull pier]

theres a reason why i only play waw, cod4 and bo1 lol

[dull pier]

YES

games seriously need to do the warthunder thing where u can toggle it off

[astral kelp]

lmao

[pure zinc]

Im the type of person to use all black becuase I like how it looks and also its the hardest to see.

[dusk ether]

Climate based presets and free camos are nice though

I just don’t ever want to buy skins

[wind oyster]

sigh

thats so much like cod...

another call of field game chat am i right #battlevets

[wispy carbon]

yup. did you see that video on reddit where someone was pressing their jump key? smh battlefield is supposed to be a milsim

[wind oyster]

actually disgusting that theres sprint in the game its just too much like cod

makes me gag nice codclone game

[hidden vector]

Gimme those class locked weapons baby

[gray nimbus]

We’re getting 2042 2 this time . I’ve completely lost hope
With the current dice. I’m just going ton play bf1 bf4 and bf5 until ttk games with the old dice devs make their new online shooter . This game is cooked

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-cute-oh-my-life-gif-9452963927337095971

[gray nimbus]

It’s not that big of a deal , it’s just a video game doesn’t mean I’m in denial about reality

[shy slate]

Just play the finals, or wait for whatever TTK Games makes.

[gray nimbus]

Exactly

[shy slate]

Ill play the next BF

[gray nimbus]

Call of duty war zone players have to go somewhere

[shy slate]

I havent played COD since B02, and haven't played WZ in 3 years

[gray nimbus]

Ahh well tomato tomatoes bf2042 call of duty war zone it’s all the same shit

[hoary dragon]

Hi guys i am a lifelong battlefield medic. For over 16 years I have revived and healed you under the call signs EnderWign (Ender Wiggin) or GodTierMedic. I have yet to try BF6. Can I help anyone in any way. - GodTierMedic from Surrey, BC, Canada down the road from Linus Media LTT's front door

[shy slate]

Reposts the drama queen gif

[vagrant pebble]

BF6 unironically looks like CoD tbh, or what you would expect from CoD devs to make a BF game 😂

[mild rock]

People really are over blowing it huh

[gray nimbus]

Nothing is being overblown the bf6 alpha looks like 2042 , not sure what else there is to say

[vagrant pebble]

It doesn't look like 2042, it looks like MW22

[shy slate]

Yeah, you dont know what you are talking about...or are trolling/trying to rage bait

[gray nimbus]

Okay so even worse then . That’s probably a more accurate description

[gray nimbus]

Ok look at battlefield 5 then look at bf6, which one looks more like call of duty multiplayer?

[shy slate]

Neither

[gray nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/terrminator-wrong-gif-10539477

[pure zinc]

Yeah no we arent

Have you seen the gameplay?

Lmao

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[pure zinc]

Not even close

But keep yapping ig

🙈🙈

Well

Objectively speaking what you said isnt true

[vagrant pebble]

Same tacticool animations, same slow sprint, same slow ADS, same useless slide, same excessive visual recoil, same gunplay with red dot moving with each shot, even the same menus 🥶

[pure zinc]

But you have the right to your own opinion so

[shy slate]

They probably bored and looking for attention. im just gonna ignore them

[pure zinc]

Sprint is same speed as battlefield 3/4 pretty much, ads is same speed really, useless slide yet complains about it being useless that's a skill issue tbh, recoul isnt excessive but ok.

Mfs forget it's a pre alpha

LMAO

😭🤡

Yall be saying its over

Mother fucker its pre alpha 😭😭😭😭

[vagrant pebble]

It's so over...

Never even began....

[pure zinc]

Bro stop

Just stop

With this cynical negative personality 😭

Gotta be bait

[vagrant pebble]

I will change my opinion when I see improvements

Until then I will be negative

[shy slate]

I do kinda love how you can tell who is and isnt part of the alpha.

Like there used to be a lot more people here, yapping and complaining about the same things as SBMM Hatelet here. But they just...magically stopped one day.

[pure zinc]

Me when pre alpha is a rough estimate and everything is subject to change

😭

Pre alpha is pre alphing

[mild rock]

I am a very pessimistic person but jesus christ im being beat

[pure zinc]

Lol

[shy slate]

Some people just love to be miserable

[pure zinc]

Type of people to complain and say a game looks trash 1 year of development prototype

Too many people have 2042 COD ptsd schizophrenia

[shy slate]

Cant blame them, wish they wouldnt try to make everyone else live their trauma tho

[vagrant pebble]

My opinions were formed after I heard people who played the test

[shy slate]

Best way to form opinions TBH! /s

[vagrant pebble]

They even complained about basic walking because it was slow according to them

Like trudging through mud

[pure zinc]

Erm

The speed is the same as battlefield 3/4

It's lime .5 m/s slower

😭

[vagrant pebble]

Even with max sensitivity on PC they said it feels slow to just turn around

[pure zinc]

Also the recoil and ads speed is the same pretty much (besides there being visual recoil)

[shy slate]

"I form my opinions by listening to the opinions of others"

TBH, this is exactly what I assumed you were doing. But its good to have it confirmed.

[pure zinc]

Dont trust reddit people

They are stupid

[vagrant pebble]

I don't listen to reddit

[pure zinc]

Battlefield fans dont even know wtf they want

[vagrant pebble]

ADS speed is also objectively slower

[pure zinc]

No its not

😭

[vagrant pebble]

2042 had 200ms AR ADS speeds, this game has 300

[pure zinc]

100ms more

Wow

[vagrant pebble]

It's slow

[pure zinc]

Thats negligible

[vagrant pebble]

100ms isn't negligible

They all complained about LMGs being useless

Due to slow ADS

[shy slate]

Unplayable TBH! /s

[vagrant pebble]

They turned BF to CoD 😭

[pure zinc]

No they didnt

Have you watched gameplay yet

[vagrant pebble]

Same ADS speeds as CoD

[shy slate]

Damn, imagine making heavy LMGs ADS differently to their lighter counteparts

[pure zinc]

Who the fuck is saying these things

The ads is literally the same pretty much

[vagrant pebble]

No

[pure zinc]

They are chatting shit

Why are yoy trusting them

😭

Lmgs arent useless they are actually good

😭

[vagrant pebble]

Takes ages to ADS with an LMG

[shy slate]

This person is 100% listening to reddit and twitter opinions. More upvotes = more faith in their opinion

[pure zinc]

No it doesnt

[vagrant pebble]

Compared to any other BF yes it does

[pure zinc]

You complain about 100 ms

Cmon

[vagrant pebble]

It doesn't compared to Warzone maybe

[pure zinc]

Do you want the game to he fucking titanfall?

Thats so negligible

[vagrant pebble]

I want BFV

[pure zinc]

I can't take you seriously

[shy slate]

So what if it does. thats a perfectly fine way to balance a weapon that can fire 100 un-interupted rounds

[ivory osprey]

LMAO

[vagrant pebble]

BFV had 120ms ADS speeds

With quick scope spec

[shy slate]

I suppose you also complained when they made you prone to use LMGs in BF1/V?

[vagrant pebble]

LMGs were useful with or without proning

MMGs were useless though

Waste of effort to create them in the first place

[shy slate]

Thought as much.

[vagrant pebble]

You are basically a sitting duck waiting to be sniped with MMGs

Even if you want big mag you can use Lewis

[shy slate]

So on one hand, you laugh and say the next game is COD, but on theother say its not. I dont really know how to deal with your inconsistent opinions/ideas

[pure zinc]

@vagrant pebble have you seen any gameplay of labs

How much have you seen

[vagrant pebble]

Yes

I watched practically every clip I saw

[pure zinc]

Complaining about 100ms is wild, do you want the game to be super fast or something?

[vagrant pebble]

I want BF to have BF speeds

[pure zinc]

Also movement speed is the same as 3/4 pretty much

[pure zinc]

I does

[vagrant pebble]

CoD artificially slows down the game too much we don't need that in BF

[obsidian scroll]

It's an 30 lb weapon

You aren't going to be a FaZe God with it

[pure zinc]

Cod is faster then battlefield though

💀💀💀

[vagrant pebble]

Not really

Slower in many aspects

[pure zinc]

This has gotta be bait

[obsidian scroll]

Do you have numbers and data or just spewing?

[pure zinc]

Im done

[vagrant pebble]

Maps are smaller therefore you see more engagements but game itself is slower

[shy slate]

Hi dome

[vagrant pebble]

Look at COD running speed

[pure zinc]

Bruh

[shy slate]

haha

[obsidian scroll]

I did, and? Everyone interrupts visual data differently. Data?

[pure zinc]

Talk about pessimistic

[vagrant pebble]

WSP stinger has 6.4 m/s sprint speed in MWIII, fastest you can go without other attachments or perks, and that's an SMG

Many ARs are around 5-6m/s

[pure zinc]

Battlefield 4 is like 6.4 m/s

[vagrant pebble]

BF3-4 sprint speeds are 6.75

[obsidian scroll]

Where is this data coming from?

[pure zinc]

And 7.25 with sprint speed perk

[vagrant pebble]

With tac sprint of 2042 you can go 7.25

[vagrant pebble]

XclusiveAce

[shy slate]

This is clearly the case of a person who is 24/7 online, ingesting every piece of leaked content, opinion and post on reddit and twitter...and just has information overload.

They have become overstimulated with info from everything...that they have a perception that the next game will have no direction or identity of its own....and are not willing to wait and play it themselves to decide if that's right or wrong

[vagrant pebble]

https://youtu.be/sRRK8eTEFHo

[obsidian scroll]

Where's his data on LMG's?

[vagrant pebble]

I can check them myself

[obsidian scroll]

Please do and post a full data set up with video and graphical evidence

[vagrant pebble]

In BF it doesn't matter, every class has same sprint speeds

In CoD anything heavier than an SMG = walking through mud

[shy slate]

Its funny that you just said COD is slower than BF...but then post this as reference to anything. Bro is zooming through the map with a weapon that somehow increases his sprint speed by 35%

[vagrant pebble]

That's one weapon with one specific setup

Overall pace is slower

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

Did you just try to tell me that the overall pace of COD is ...slower?

[vagrant pebble]

Pace isn't, but movement is

[shy slate]

Pace...not even movement speed?

Have you ever played COD...I know you have....so how have you just said this blatant lie

[vagrant pebble]

Big CoD maps are slower than smaller BF maps 🤷

[shy slate]

No they arent lol

If you stand still in COD, you die, cos the spawns flip

the only place this isnt true is WZ

Cod maps have no areas you can hold or lock down either, due to how their spawns work. Its a run and gun shooter

[vagrant pebble]

https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/Derail

This map is slower than Redacted or Stadium

Takes ages to reach from one side to other so everyone just snipes

[shy slate]

Post a gameplay video and lets see

[vagrant pebble]

5.2 m/s sprint speed in an LMG

[obsidian scroll]

No it's not, its 5.4

[vagrant pebble]

I just looked at the first LMG 🤷

[astral kelp]

Derail is a good map tho, but yea. It's slower

That one CoD Ghosts map was slower too.....Stone smth

[vagrant pebble]

https://youtu.be/3qMeE8MBeQE

Well people actually play the map in this video

When I played it everyone was just sniping

[shy slate]

the pace is apparently slow, but in this video they kill a player that killed them in their previous life 8 seconds after respawning

[mild rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-cat-banging-head-on-wall-loop-cat-banging-head-on-wall-gif-949593721221378445

[wind oyster]

so is battlefield

[wispy carbon]

noooooo ):< you cant run and gun in battlefield thats NEVER been the case

[wind oyster]

sigh... too much like cod #battlevet #codclone

the funniest part is is that you cant even debate if battlefield is a run or gun shooter because a dev literally said its meant to be a run and gun shooter kekw

[hidden vector]

you can play it however you want

[wispy carbon]

UH. NO YOU CANT

[hidden vector]

😨

[wispy carbon]

you play it SLOW and DELIBERATE and get 12 kills per game and be HAPPY

[hidden vector]

ok 😢

[obsidian scroll]

Or, hear me out, I recreate my 102 killstreak from BF1 in a tank

[hidden vector]

hopefully enter/exit animations are back for vehicles

[mild rock]

Is that your cat

I like your cat

[shy slate]

Good job ignoring the most important part of that message

[clever magnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iOpwMApwTA

[pure zinc]

Battlefield players dont even know wtf they want anymore, so many is just a bunch COD 2042 ptsd schizophrenics

[wispy carbon]

ty fren

[wispy carbon]

They want jetpacks and wall running, and after I sat down for dinner with David Sirland I told him that, so they are implementing that as we speak

[dusk ether]

Yay :D

[wispy carbon]

yw

[shy slate]

My uncle works at David Sirland, and he can confirm this as true.

[vagrant pebble]

They should implement it for 2143

Titanfallfield 2143

[tropic vine]

Half the people say it's CoD because it's too fast and movement based, the other half of the people say it's CoD because they are dumbing and slowing down movement to appeal to casuals

[fresh cliff]

The only thing the community agrees on is how much we don't want BF to be CoD lol

The definition of CoD changes depending on your side though

[vagrant pebble]

I dislike CoD gunplay too

MW gunplay specifically

[patent cosmos]

cod gunplay is fun

black ops 6 is so fun

[vagrant pebble]

I love not being able to see 💩 because of visual recoil

BO6 has the least visual recoil

[patent cosmos]

mw2 had horrible visual recoil

i agree with you

but building your gun correctly helped

[vagrant pebble]

I can't understand how people can play WZ on PC when they can't see what they are aiming

Oh well it makes sense you use recoil/stability build on WZ

For regular MP it's hell though

[patent cosmos]

eh

you get used to it

with the right settings like fov and weapon view stuff

[pure zinc]

MwII was like having no stock on a Scar H type recoil 💀

[wispy carbon]

Shit was horrific

[pure zinc]

Its funny because IRL they call the Scar the sight killer

[sweet frost]

As the dinner plate he ate his dinner on, I can confirm this as true as well.

[sacred wave]

Mod support please

[brazen mountain]

I hope they lock weapons for certain class, I don't want to see sniper with ammo box and healing staying hiding across the map

[sacred wave]

I hope the classes are open only for the playtest

[sacred wave]

Thissss

[tropic vine]

I want unlocked weapons, I can play my class role the exact same with nearly every weapon type. This is such a worn out conversation though

[humble root]

[shy slate]

I dont care what they do really. Locked or unlocked ill pick my class for its equipment (Gadgets) and make do with the weapons it has

[tropic vine]

i wanna be a nerd and use my favorite irl guns or the closest equivalent

[vagrant pebble]

They should unlock them

Remove classes in the next game too

Make a loadout system like CoD

[shy slate]

👆 👆 👆 👆 👆

Gotta love how when people get owned for having actual terrible opinions/takes, they turn into cry babies like this.

[mighty zealot]

Unlike past games, where snipers were checks notes staying hidden across the map

[ancient heath]

You’d be more useful providing reconnaissance and targeting than having a personal supply box for infinite ammo though lol

[mighty zealot]

A lot of what mentioned would be better served near the objective, not the back

Hell, the only recon gadget not useful towards the front are the binoculars

[vagrant pebble]

You guys will probably defend that when they do it 😛

[ancient heath]

But sniping is supposed to provide overwatch over the objective atleast theoretically speaking

I like how enemies gets 3d spotted when sniping good use of an op mechanic lol

[tropic vine]

there isn't a single valid argument against unlocked weapons besides an emotional attachment to being restricted

[vagrant pebble]

There is no argument to wanting unlocked weapons besides being a bad player who can't use different kinds of weapons

[tropic vine]

See? Emotional argument

[shy slate]

Speaking of bad players:

Lock em' or dont. Makes little difference to me tho. Ill work with whatever they decide. so will most who would like unlocked weapons.

Honestly ill prefer them locked, cos that side of the community wont ever STFU about it if they dont.

[vagrant pebble]

It's the truth, good players will still be able to play as LMG or carbine medics, you want them to be unlocked so you can use 3BTK ARs with no issues.

[shy slate]

This is how you have always said you play the game tho. So it puzzles me why you state it like a bad thing now

[tropic vine]

Cannot provide an argument based in facts

[shy slate]

Playing Falck for infinite heals, using your favorite weapon, forgetting what class you are playing cos youre only out for kills

[vagrant pebble]

Because just because I can do that in 2042 doesn't mean I want to do that in BF6?

Let Battlefield be Battlefield

[tropic vine]

Why should I have to be restricted because of your lack of knowledge of game mechanics?

[shy slate]

Don't mind them too much. The devs will do what they think is best.

Its not your fault, or mine, that this person, lots of players in fact needs to be forced to play a certain way with restrictions. They just cant understand how to play a role as a class any other way.

I believe the term they coined is "If you're going to unlock weapons, why even add classes". Trying to even fight someone who believes this statement is a losing battle.

[vagrant pebble]

Says the person who can't use LMGs

[vagrant pebble]

Because weapons are also a part of the class. No one thinks of TUGS when they think of recon. They think of sniper rifles. No one thinks of medpen or ammo box or health box when they think of assault. They think of ARs.

[shy slate]

No one thinks of TUGS when they think of recon.

I think spawn beacon and TUGS

[gentle star]

I think of their respective equipment available to them

[vagrant pebble]

Yet they changed assault kit countless times throughout the games except for their primaries 😛

[shy slate]

Engineer I think rockets and repair tool

Support, before I thought ammo, or heals...its foggy in the new game

Assault used to be the medic, but since BFV it been different.

[vagrant pebble]

Assault used to be ammo guy in BC2

Still had ARs

[shy slate]

Ive never thought of the classes weapons before their gear or role tho.

[ancient heath]

Think assault is just the assault guy now lol

[vagrant pebble]

ARs are defining assault before their gadgets

[gentle star]

Other classes had access to those though

[tropic vine]

No??? Anti infantry gadgets define the modern Assault class

[vagrant pebble]

Not in BF1 or BFV

Not in BC2

Not even in BF3/4

[shy slate]

BC2 was totally anti infantry tho

[vagrant pebble]

Also ammo box

[shy slate]

lol, you cant be serious with BF3 or 4 also

[ancient heath]

Ars are kinda anti-infantry too they’re supposed to be like the most versatile weapon no?

[tropic vine]

Are the ARs in BF1 in the room with us right now?

[vagrant pebble]

SMGs of BF1 are basically ARs

[shy slate]

Assault was THE anti-infantry class in those games (BF3/4). They also just happened to be the medic

[vagrant pebble]

Anti infantry because of ARs

Not because of their kit

You can have medic kit in BF3/4 too

[ancient heath]

I feel like medics shouldn’t rly be the frontlines themselves thou

[shy slate]

Because they have the best weapons, paired with the ability to self heal

[vagrant pebble]

Or ignore it completely for launchers

[ancient heath]

They’ll be more effective at the backlines

[vagrant pebble]

So BF1-V medics are assault now?

They have self heals with best weapons?

[shy slate]

Players dont die often in the backlines, nor is there really a backlines in BF games. Its frontlines, or nothing

[shy slate]

Why so you always go entirely off the point...Not a single person here was talking about 1 or V.

[vagrant pebble]

Because even in those games assault is defined by their primary, not by their gadgets

[ancient heath]

But they like to get into the most action cuz of their selection of assault rifles

As well as some grenade launchers I guess lol

[shy slate]

To a player who defines a class by their weapons (you)...classes will be defined by their weapons.

I have never defined a class by their weapons, I play a class for their gear/ability to do the thing I need them to do. The weapon comes secondary to the gear.

[vagrant pebble]

DICE did

BF1-V assault has engineer kit

Yet they use ARs or SMGs(ARs of WW1)

So they are assault

Classes are defined by their primaries as much as their kit

[ancient heath]

Classes are defined by everything they use including weapons lol

[shy slate]

Youre just making things up to support your viewpoint, and im not having it TBH

[ancient heath]

That’s the thing about classes

[vagrant pebble]

''You're just making up reality''

Okay nice argument lol

[ancient heath]

And how they appear as well

[shy slate]

SMGs are the ARs of BF1!!!!

Literally just making shit up

[vagrant pebble]

Is there an AR class in BF1?

No?

SMGs are ARs of BF1 then

[shy slate]

Dear lord this is braindead logic

[vagrant pebble]

Why is BF1-V assault are called as assault instead of engineer?

If classes are defined by their kits?

And purely by their kits?

[shy slate]

2 days ago you were saying the semi-auto weapons were the ARs of BF1, and that it was players fault they were perceived as bad. I guess youll change your mind in 2 days time again

[vagrant pebble]

I didn't

I said medic SLRs were the best weapons of BF1

They have best versatility

[shy slate]

The absence of ARs, does not make another weapon type become ARs. You are just saying things to try make a point.

[vagrant pebble]

Why did they called BF1 assault as assault then?

If only kit matters?

[shy slate]

the role they expected them to play

[vagrant pebble]

And role is better suited to medic with self heals according to your logic

[shy slate]

As it was with BF3 and 4

but assault played a different role in BF1, as they had a completely different class make up

[vagrant pebble]

What's the purpose of assault in this game then?

[shy slate]

Anti-infantry

[vagrant pebble]

Everyone can use ARs, engineer has better explosives, support has better healing

[shy slate]

As said above, based on their gear, and the gear of others, they are an anti-infantry class. Im not saying I agree with their current role or gear...but thats what it is

[ancient heath]

That the thing every class has different strengths and weaknesses and should rely on each other

Homogenising the weapon selection would be in the opposite direction

[shy slate]

Nothing we have seen is final either, so ill reserve judgement until we get a final, balanced version

[ancient heath]

Providing insignificant incentives isn’t gonna help, this looks exactly like it was in 2042 so far

[shy slate]

Homogenous games can be fun tho, same with heterogeneous games. BF over the years has jumped back and forth between them...at least when it comes to classes (Individually)

[ancient heath]

Literally nobody complained about restricted weapons in the same way they unlocked weapons in the game that was even considered a bf game. Restriction can create a unique gameplay as well.

[shy slate]

I agree, I have no issue if they decide to lock weapons. I just equally have no problem if they go the other way

[tropic vine]

My "unique" gameplay opportunities are chopped by 3/4 when you take those weapon types away from me

[ancient heath]

That’s what makes it unique you’re playing into a specific role that is unlike the other 3 classes

[gentle star]

that's what the gadgets are for

and their perks

[ancient heath]

That’s apart of your class not the whole class lol

[tropic vine]

my class role is literally the same either way, completely unaffected. Arguments like this were already disproven by BF4 universal weapons, as equipping a universal weapon had no effect on your ability to fulfill your class role

[gentle star]

So being able to revive and heal people doesn't define medics whole class

The guns have 0 bearing on these things

[ancient heath]

They shouldn’t have the same killing potential

[gentle star]

You're gonna have to do some real wack gun balancing to do that

[ancient heath]

Supports should be able to be all the way back with infinite ammo

They should be closer to the fight supplying nearby teammates

[tropic vine]

They should and they will. This line of thinking is flat out in opposition of what your average player expects out of an arcade shooter. The idea of having a "best" weapon class goes against what people expect, which is for everything to be equally good in combat to a reasonable extent.

[shy slate]

2042...the only BF with unlocked weapons doesnt even have a best weapon. It has a bunch of best weapons for specific play styles/skill levels.

If the next game can achieve this...while at the same time making the signature weapons and classes more unique (Gadget and field upgrades wise). Then I'm all for it.

As I've said tho, ill be just as happy with a locked weapons system. I'm just willing to see what they cook before jumping to conclusions.

[tropic vine]

Signatures definitely need more depth. Not much, but something. I'm still of the opinion that certain attachments should be restricted, especially long range scopes

[shy slate]

I dont think that will really affect the game in any meaningful way. Its like making a change that will only affect 5% of the playerbase (Those who actually use longer range scopes on weapons outside bolt actions), in 5% of their playtime.

[gentle star]

If they really wanted to keep unlocked guns they could just decrease the amount of customization you can do on them for certain classes

But would be kinda awkward

[tropic vine]

the one example the pro locking ppl have is support sniping with bolt actions in the back of the map. This fixes that problem, but doesn't hurt most people's freedom

[shy slate]

that example never hurts anyone anyway

Its a meaningless complaint, as 99% of bolt action users have 0 affect on games

They havent since BC2

[tropic vine]

I say that about all their complaints related to this. They have been desperately trying to come up with anything to justify hating anything that goes against their nostalgia

It's why you can easily sum up any "lock weapons pls" post by "make it BF4"

[shy slate]

Im fine with nostalgia being a driving force for wanting something be a certain way. I also think if someone wants something a specific way, its fine and a legit reason for wanting it.

I just dont like forced, fake or meaningless examples passed of as the real reasons.

[pure zinc]

What 💀💀

[ancient heath]

I mean it’s been like that until now

Or until 2042

[pure zinc]

No it hasn't

[ancient heath]

Ok

[pure zinc]

Gun doesnt really have much to do with the class

Its mainly gadget

[shy slate]

None of us help much anyway. We all poke fun at, or aggravate people with opposing opinions to ours.

Opinions are like a**holes tho, everyone has one...not everyone wants to see yours. (This isn't aimed at anyone lol)

[ancient heath]

You use snipers to provide reconnaissance as recon

Or overwatch

[shy slate]

Maybe in pretend land you do

[ancient heath]

Just thought that’s the concept lol

[pure zinc]

Snipers never leave an impact on watch really

[shy slate]

Or the running dialogue in our heads while we play. But the vast majority of the time, recons providing reconnaissance with a bolt action through a scope are next to useless. If thats how you are playing that role.

The beauty of BF is that it allows you to play that way if you choose to

[ancient heath]

But can’t they 3d spot people in this iteration

With like adsing

Or hitting them in bfv

Think I remember getting suppression assist too in bfv but yea

[shy slate]

No clue TBH. As far as I understand things, classes and class perks change all the time, and are unfinished. Even with 3D spotting, the same action is unhelpful most of the time.

[ancient heath]

Though 3d spotting was like op lol

I like how it’s only used for recon anyways

[shy slate]

I dont believe it is, but cant say for sure

[ancient heath]

I believe that to be the general remark

[mighty zealot]

Didnt people hate 3D spotting?

[ancient heath]

I believe so, when everyone could use it

[tropic vine]

i am anti doritos spam

as long as forced (taa?) doesn't turn ppl invisible like bfv lol

[pure zinc]

Rangefinder in battlefield 4: 😈😈😈

[mighty zealot]

Loved the range finder

[obsidian scroll]

What do you guys think about the weapons not being class restricted?

[pure zinc]

Don't really care if they are or not really

[tropic badge]

What about stims and spray paint , kinda gives the arena vibe rather than modern war torn place , does for me at least, so far I’m liking the look of it. I do prefer old devs way of giving soldier certain weapons since support guy will often have lmgs or recons will often be using rifles and carbines , that’s basic fact of war.

Structure and squad work , not just running and gunning like Rambo

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[obsidian scroll]

I wish they would bring back the behemoth system personally

[shy slate]

"Here losing team, lose by a little bit less"

[tropic badge]

Sure things BSOD that’s an opinion that most people agree with

If anyone is baiting it is you using silly memes against standard opinion , not baiting , this channel is open for discussions, you live yes we get it , so let someone else chime in

[obsidian scroll]

It was a fun change of pace that only added to the atmosphere tbh

[tropic badge]

All good tho

[shy slate]

I dont care one way or the other. That has always been my view. You however always come here and try shove your opinion down others throats

[obsidian scroll]

It's supposed to be us versus the devs not us against each other

[shy slate]

As if every BF game isnt just players running and gunning, trying to be rambo

[tropic badge]

No mate that’s what the channel is open for

Only in 2042 does the Rambo really exist.

[obsidian scroll]

Also it's a videogame, not a religion

[tropic badge]

Well there my thoughts il leave you fellows alone , you clearly live here mate , go outside ?

[shy slate]

You dont need to start the same discussion and post the same reasoning every day tho. Its only starting fights.

[tropic badge]

Everyday ? Why do you exaggerate to make me look like something I’m not ?

I was replying to someone fresh wasn’t asking for your opinion

[shy slate]

I can show you probably 10 posts of yours that state the exact same thing youve just said

[tropic badge]

Yeah was replying to the same old question too

Go outside BSOD you keep misunderstanding me and it’s getting on my ****

[shy slate]

See, he tells others to go away, or go outside...when im not even disagreeing with their wanting locked weapons

[tropic badge]

Btw mate first time I’ve mentioned stims and spray paint but hey ho

Have a brake mate

[shy slate]

Stim is the same thing as a med pouch, so its no different to what weve had in previous entries. I dont know what a spray is

[tropic badge]

Each player no matter the class , like V or what have you had should get a med pouch , keep it simple. They should stop tying to favouritize certain classes , coz then there really will be issues with people choosing more of something else for the sake of this or that.

[pure zinc]

Spray paint?

[tropic badge]

Yes around the objectives

[pure zinc]

They toned that down

[shy slate]

OK, so youve moved on very quickly to abuse of others I see. I thought we werent supposed to be fighting each other

[tropic badge]

Kind of defeats the aim of the map since they highlighted on it , yeah still seemed a little too much from clip I see yesterday

Abuse of others ? Just you mate , always on my case

[obsidian scroll]

You guys should kiss and make up

[tropic badge]

😘

[shy slate]

Go to any city and you will find spray paint/murals. they are especially common in times of war, as there is nothign stopping youths from tagging

[tropic badge]

If you say so

[obsidian scroll]

Big spray paint fan over here

If the game doesn't have weapon inspections, I'm going to write a strongly worded letter 😠

[shy slate]

Ah, so you meant the objective outlines, not art on the maps.

[tropic badge]

Yes man

[shy slate]

You did not make that clear at all

[tropic badge]

Spray paint. You think I’m that finicky I’m critiquing posters and murals on walls for fs , lol get a grip mate

(Pritty sure I did if you scroll up , go get some sleep , it’s ok being wrong sometimes you don’t have to act like a douche when you are)

[shy slate]

Its a bit weird for BF, but Ill prefer it over glowing boxes

[tropic badge]

Glowing boxes ?

[shy slate]

They used to have glowing trails instead of paint/chalk on the ground

[tropic badge]

That a 2042 thing ? I’m going by any game pre that game so don’t know.

[shy slate]

It isnt

[tropic badge]

Ah ok. Where the glowing boxes and chalk stuff , which game ?

[shy slate]

The next BF

It was replaced with the paint

[tropic badge]

Should be accessibility option not default

All I know is cod , apex fans use to appreciate dice for their own uniqueness, so they don’t have to try so hard to appeal to other players by copying certain elements and things since they probably getting booooored with it all.

[tropic vine]

tbh the flag is a problem for vehicles occasionally

[vagrant pebble]

Signatures weapon perks being in the game itself proves not even DICE considers it a real class system 😂

[tropic vine]

bro forgot the concept of a "concession" like he forgets to revive as Falck

yeah no guns at all in BF6 pls, BF2042 had guns

[tropic badge]

evolve from any , just not that lol

[tropic vine]

Everything I've seen for BF6 looks like a nice evolution from the previous games

[vagrant pebble]

Evolution from MWIII maybe

[tropic vine]

Some BFV devs are probably still working there. My guess is the new dragging teammates feature is developed by the same people who tried to implement it in BFV

The whole "traits" system (i think that's what it's called) is a return to the BFV subclasses system

a lot of the ones that worked on BF1 and older games are gone

[vagrant pebble]

It's Vince Zampella who's calling the shots, he's too busy porting his old franchise to Frostbite engine as we speak 🥶

[tropic badge]

Either way it’s looking good , it’s just Irritating adding in things that ain’t gotta be there or things that could create bad balances and stuff that may not make you feel that you belong to a squad. They should also be structuring it for the player , can’t have too much freedom. Reason why old Dice did what they did.

[gentle star]

The man is not calling all the shots

[tropic vine]

Go outside man, just for like 10 minutes

[hearty sedge]

when next playtest?

[tropic vine]

more gun freedom = keeps gameplay interesting over a longer period of time.

[tropic badge]

That’s not the best argument or assumption. Due to the fact of all the hours people have put in pre 2021 with BF games.

End of the day it’s a battlefield and soldiers have specific weapons. That’s just fact man , there’s nothing else really to add other than that war should be no circus

[vagrant pebble]

I did few hours ago

[tropic vine]

it wasn't meant to be this big gotcha. It's just a point, as weapon/class related burnout has happened to me numerous times

"soldiers have specific weapons" you don't want to argue that point, as devs will remove everything besides the M4 and AK

[vagrant pebble]

Old DICE devs already commented about this decision 😂

[obsidian scroll]

So we agree that weapons shouldn't be restricted? Or not?

[tropic badge]

They should be yes but I’m not sure it’s going to happen , a lot of admin play 2042 so will probs be something whether we like it or not , I mean 2042 was created , right ? Whether you liked it or not 😂

[shy slate]

The old dice dev in question being one who posts soldiers being unalived on his socials

[tropic vine]

i agree with unlocked guns, but some don't. It's mixed in the vocal minority, which means no normal player cares about this

[shy slate]

I have no great need for them to keep weapons unlocked. Nor do many others.

[tropic badge]

No “normal” player cares about this. Meaning a casual ?

[vagrant pebble]

Doesn't mean his comment is less impactful. Not only that, even current DICE devs said ''lock em weapons''.

[vagrant pebble]

Tourists

[tropic vine]

Naw there are sweats in the silent majority, but the vast majority of players say nothing or interact with the community and/or devs

[tropic badge]

Ah the run and gun don’t care if I’m in a squad , don’t care about you , don’t care if weapons are not locked I just want to snaught my coke and get top of the board , player ?

[mighty zealot]

…what?

[obsidian scroll]

Man's crashing out over bait I put in the chat

[tropic vine]

i'd tell you this ain't a milsim, but even some milsims have unlocked guns

[shy slate]

Almost all them, but it's beside the point.

[tropic badge]

Bro (manual leaning) I’m just use to BF pre 2021 , I thrive on structure , some people thrive on chaos , but 2021 didn’t happen far as I’m concerned

[shy slate]

No one here wants another 2042

[tropic vine]

I do not want it, but I do not expect it either

[tropic badge]

Eh ? Well it’s smelling that way with certain choices. Hence why the channel was created forcing us to discuss things we really shouldn’t be needing to

[tropic vine]

one choice out of countless others made. This is the definition of cherrypicking

[tropic badge]

Bro you seem baised

Go play some V , there manual leaning over there

Played it first time in months last night. Always a pleasure

[tropic vine]

what's more biased than saying a game might be a flop based on a singular choice?

[tropic badge]

Never said anything about it flopping

I’m sure it will be a success and hope that it will be

The hope part is the cherrypicking

[tropic vine]

This seemed like that but perhaps it was a misunderstanding

[tropic vine]

BFV fans will certainly be eating good this year judging by everything

[shy slate]

It would be far worse if they just announced and didn't give players a place to voice their questions /concerns.

[tropic badge]

It’s to say they haven’t got to mess with the core so much and go post 2021 with certain things

[tropic badge]

That’s true. But the point also still exists that it’s a time waste since there was no need to alter it pre 2021 in the first place , hence the point of what I’d meant

[tropic vine]

The core gameplay barely changes by this, considering most guns fight around the same ranges regardless of weapon type. Only outliers are shotguns and bolt actions.

[tropic badge]

Structure , I thrive on it , nothings going to change my mind about liking the old Dice way of thinking

[lucid river]

This chat needs to get some sun and experience the embrace of a woman ASAP 😭

Mfers been battling today lol

[tropic vine]

do lawn mower repairs count

[lucid river]

Yeah that counts lol. I’ll take anything at this point

[viral grove]

Tbf the base ads speed for the Lmgs is 350ms~ which is very long compared to SMGs or ARs

[shy slate]

Seems perfect for a weapon type, which has an expected use of hold and suppress/kill. Especially with 50-100 round mags.

Anything else and LMGs become large mag ARs. Like in 2042.

[viral grove]

I guess, but if it doesn't change I know I won't use them, doesn't fit my playstyle at all, I would prefer other downsides, maybe sprint to fire time increase (like in BFV) or slower TTK, But not slower ADS time, or not as much as it is currently, it's almost triple the time compared to an SMG, which is way, way too much

[shy slate]

It's fine if a weapon type doesn't fit your playstyle imo. In a scenario where weapons are unlocked, we should want class and weapon uniqueness. Where the signature weapons of a classes, match an expected engagement type for the role of that class. I think such separation of weapon performance is a good thing.

Making a weapon artificially slower in ttk nerfs the weapon in a lazy way imo. Youre trading a unique role(a weapon class that works best holding a position), for extra ease of usability in every situation.

[obsidian scroll]

The game will be nothing like this 😂

[viral grove]

I agree, but then again ,in my opinion, messing with ADS Speed that much is not the way, there are other ways to create uniqueness

[shy slate]

None that will better define how cqc players will go with weapons.

[muted sandal]

ADSing in CQC is so 2015

[obsidian scroll]

Okay but how do we feel about weapon restrictions?

[wind oyster]

dont care doesnt matter

[pure zinc]

x2

[vagrant pebble]

Perfect for the game they are going for (MWIV)

[gray nimbus]

I’m already writing off this game completely .

I’m sticking with the classics

Not into this new fancy lad stuff

[pure zinc]

Ok

[pure zinc]

Isn't much different

[tropic vine]

Ragebait

[pure zinc]

Writing a game off just from a pre alpha is wild work

Talk about pessimist

[tropic vine]

it's still ded im sorry

[tropic vine]

Tfw it's a 9/10 instead of a 10/10, literally unplayable fire them all

[gray nimbus]

More like wow retail vs wow classic one sucks the other doesn’t

[mild rock]

When I am in a pessimistic competition and I wind up against a battlefield fan.

[sweet frost]

yes very posh

[pearl kernel]

To write off a game you haven’t played yet, and is in pre alpha stage is crazy

It already looks a million times better than 2042 at its current state

[pure zinc]

More like you are a cynical pessimistic person lmao

Lame

🥀

[astral kelp]

both suck. WoW is trash

[sacred wave]

why one of the maps have better graphics than other

[sacred wave]

2042 wasnt even a battlefield

it was pubg-cod-apex

[dull pier]

it was groundwar mixed with like R6/BO3

[dusk ether]

So far your argument has been entierly based around realism, got any other points?

[tropic badge]

Overall structure , squad cohesion and solid direction , I’ve played all of them long enough to know what makes em truly work and get why Dice did it in the first place , very obvious why , a tonne of reason out there to find yourself

Most of you here it seems have been 2042 brainwashed , if that game never existed no one would be even thinking about it.

Me and you have already expressed this

[gentle star]

lol calling people brainwashed

[tropic badge]

In a way yes. Since if that game didn’t exist NOBODY would even be questioning it

Look when I hear “back to roots BF” , that’s what people was expecting. They’re the ones that said that when it was time to appeal to investors , now that they have them , let’s just slyly include the 2042 concept that quite literally everyone hated

[dusk ether]

Maybe, just maybe that’s because it showed how nuanced the topic is by giving us an example

[gentle star]

There's been many arguments across the years for and against unlocked weapons

[dusk ether]

I'm still for them, but it's clear there are valid points on both ends

it's just that since I never ever thought about picking the weapon before the class and just played the class with the weapon complimenting it, I was never exposed to the other side of people choosing for the weapon first

By all means share some

Discussion? In the community classes update discussion channel? Nooo

[gentle star]

I know that the locked weapons camp is the loudest bunch

[dusk ether]

The point is I want to hear YOUR thoughts, not the thoughts of some random person on reddit which you seem to be directing us towards by dismissing it and saying ‘the answer is out there’

[shy slate]

Cos the unlocked people would largely also be happy with a locked system.

[tropic badge]

Random ? No mate , mostly pre 2021 players. All good , am tired. They’ll do what they’ll do at the end of the day I guess

[dusk ether]

So far you haven’t given us any actual reason that is your own

Look, I’m for restrictions, but if you want a compelling argument, actually make one

But if you wanna go do something else, go for it. Doesn’t bother me

[wind oyster]

1. We are playing a video game get out of your bubble it doesnt matter who has what weapon
2. “Looks” lol

Said a whole lot of nothing

Ping me when you have something to say that would actually affect the gameplay

Quite literally doesnt matter

I do not care

[humble root]

I’ve played all of them long enough to know what makes em truly work and get why Dice did it in the first place , very obvious why , a tonne of reason out there to find yourself

enlighten us about all these reasons.
Do you revive with your SMGs or Defib?
do you repair tanks with your Carbine or with the repair tool?
do you spawn your teammate with your sniper rifle or with the spawn beacon?

[wind oyster]

You will still play like garbage regardless of how the weapons are layed out between classes, you still will underutilize your gadgets, you will still be predictable to play against

I do not care its so meaningless to argue

I will play well regardless of the weapon system because good players will be good with any weapon anyway

[quaint dune]

no shot this is still going

xD

[tropic badge]

Lads just go away play some more 2042 and upload more videos in the other section or go outside , I’m done here

[wind oyster]

Battlefield tourists are so annoying dude jesus christ

[quaint dune]

xD

[wind oyster]

People are begging for things that they dont even understand the gameplay effects of

“Pls give me this give me that” without a single reason on why

[quaint dune]

i have my views

but

i just want whatever will give me a good battlefield

xD

[wind oyster]

Parrots parroting slop

[quaint dune]

i lean to locked guns as preference since i liked how it was done in bf3/4

but idgaf man just give a good battlefield i can play rn

yk

[wind oyster]

It doesnt matter

No one would genuinely care or be affected by it once the game is out

[quaint dune]

yh exactly

that what i mean

like everyone has preferences

but end of the day we just want a good battlefield

whether they do go for unlocked guns or locked, as long as its a good game people wont care and will still play

like im beyond even arguing for whether guns should be locked or not, as long as the game is functional, playable and fun

[wind oyster]

Well seeing how battlefield 1 and 5 were pretty popular i dont think battlefield players have ever really cared about how good their game is

So itll be fine

[quaint dune]

i mean bf1 imo is the best one in the franchise

[wind oyster]

They enjoy garbage then they will probably like whatever battlefield 6 has for them too

[quaint dune]

yes i gush over bf3 and 4 all the time

but bf1

idk man smth about it is just masterful

[wind oyster]

Why? “Looks good”

🦧

[quaint dune]

thats part of it

idk how to spell it

viseral?

[wind oyster]

Lol

[quaint dune]

like when you load into a map everything just hits you

idk

its a cinematic game

it has its flaws yh, but i feel like bf1 hit that sweet spot

[wind oyster]

Give battlefield players an ai made movie thats different everytime they click play and let them hold a controller in the hands they will be happy

[shy slate]

I love how its only black and white to this guy tho. You either want locked weapons and are the best person ever, or you (Apparently) cream yourself over 2042, want more of the same, and should just shut up, as your opinion is irrelevant

[quaint dune]

which?

[shy slate]

the Cyber dude

[quaint dune]

maan you guys need to mention who youre talking to/about

its getting confusing

[quaint dune]

ok ok

[quaint dune]

uhm what

xD

[wind oyster]

Thats literally what these players want

They dont even play the game they spectate others playing within the game itslef

[quaint dune]

XD

[wind oyster]

Just give them an interractive movie they can watch

Then we might be able to keep sprinting in the game without these redditors begging for it to be removed

[quaint dune]

lmfao yh that is a bit of a weird thing to complain about in a game

it works in some games like EFT

but keep that out of my battlefield games pls and ty

[shy slate]

Pickle lost their mind a few days ago, dont pay much attention to them

[wind oyster]

“This guy used jump must be cod player” 🦧

[quaint dune]

xdd

[wind oyster]

As if airstrafing wasnt a big thing in bf4

[quaint dune]

or bhopping in cs

xdd

[shy slate]

It wasnt, it was a thing, but not a big thing

[wind oyster]

Cringe players

[wind oyster]

You played console youre pretty irrelevant in this

[shy slate]

Next youll try to tell me that the zouzou was common in BF4

[quaint dune]

same with me tbf

[shy slate]

I played BF3 and 4 entirely on pc

[quaint dune]

i didnt see much air strafing on bf4 cos console

but on pc i see it alot

[shy slate]

I moved to PC after BC2

[wind oyster]

Then youre just blind lol i have a clip of me lasering down 5 airstrafing players

[shy slate]

You see those things mostly on the metro/locker 24/7 servers, but not much, if at all outside of there

[dusk ether]

Which is one pretty major issue. As a pc player I love that element of it. The aim challenge, the pacing. But console players just don't see that. So what I see as the bf4 experience is so different to them that one group views the other's experience as wrong somehow

[quaint dune]

^

[shy slate]

"I have a video of me using a thing I used, so this proves the majority of players do it"

what kinda of logic is this

[wind oyster]

Then youre playing against bad players that dont utilize movement given to them

[quaint dune]

ah yes

[shy slate]

Yes, and the vast majority of BF4 players are average, casual players. Like me

[quaint dune]

the classic "if youre not using this insane movement tech youre shit"

grow up

[wind oyster]

Oh and you saying that people dont use it is better? Lol

[shy slate]

I never said people didnt use it. I said the vast majority didnt

[quaint dune]

you can be an insane player without abusing certain mechanics yk

xD

[shy slate]

You should learn to read

[wind oyster]

Yeah so people dont really use it is what youre saying

Lol

[shy slate]

Yes, lots of people didnt use it

[wind oyster]

Lol

Get good play the game come back

[dusk ether]

to the point where someone can post about it and 50 people say they've never seen it in their life

[wind oyster]

Dont care til then

[shy slate]

I would wager that if you picked 100 random BF players off the street, and asked them what an air strafe or zouzou was, the vast majority wouldnt know

[wind oyster]

Ask them when they last played the game and on what

Battlefield reddit is full of console brainlets

Or garbage players

And or

[quaint dune]

i hate it when people like this say "youre shit because you dont do x or z"

bro grow up pls

[wind oyster]

Its just true a lot of the times lol

[quaint dune]

youre as bad as the people that say you cant play cod if you dont slide cancel

[wind oyster]

Learn the game = you know more = youre better

Dont learn the game = know less = youre bad

[quaint dune]

thats just not the case tho lmfao

you can learn about smth

and be able to do it

but choose not to cos you cba

[shy slate]

Even top tier players, who are in touch with reality (Like @wispy parrot ) will tell you that while players did use airstrafing, zouzou or vouzou...a dramatic majority didnt...or didnt even know those things existed/were possible

[quaint dune]

like in cs

i can bhop

i dont need to all the time cos theres no point

doesnt mean im a bad cs player at all

[wind oyster]

Because majority of players are braindead dude

[quaint dune]

im faceit 9

but with your logic id be a bad cs player cos i dont bhop every where

its such a small minded view

like genuinely

[shy slate]

Casual players just dont care. IMO your mindset is far worse than any casual player.

[quaint dune]

if battlefield had a ranked mode for all the turbo sweats sure

but not everyone is hyper competitive adderol fueled psychos

[wind oyster]

So we should remove movement from the game because people dont actually use it?

[quaint dune]

doesnt mean theyre bad players

[shy slate]

the turbo sweats would just play in casual playlists. they want to farm n00bs

[wind oyster]

Thats a better mindset?

Braindead

[quaint dune]

again youre showing a very narrow mindset lmfao

[mighty zealot]

Zouzou is the name Azula gives prince Zuko as a way to mock him

Boom, got it!

[shy slate]

Literally not a single person here said anythign about removing movement. You are just trying to make another strawman arguement

[dusk ether]

I know what that means now!

[wind oyster]

So youre arguing against what

[shy slate]

"Oh I guess we should just remove movement....No...you dont want that?...see Im right!"

[wind oyster]

What are you arguing against

[shy slate]

Your stupid and constant strawman arguements

[wind oyster]

What are you arguing against

[shy slate]

your last stupid statement

[wind oyster]

Which was?

[shy slate]

#community-update-classes message

the begining of another classic Pickle strawman

[wind oyster]

Okay but what are you initially arguing against

[shy slate]

the original statement you made, thats said BF4s complex movements, like air strafing, zouzou and vouzou were common

[wind oyster]

Wait til bsod argues that sliding wasnt a big thing in 5 because his console buddies didnt slide

🦧

[shy slate]

They were not all that common, and your average BF4 PC players wont ven know what they are.

Oh look, the start of another strawman arguement

[wind oyster]

Lol

[shy slate]

As previously stated, I played BF on PC after BC2.

[wind oyster]

Lol

Okay guess airstrafing wasnt a big thing so it doesnt matter lets get another bf1 gang!

I love camperfield😍

[dusk ether]

The hell are you on about

[shy slate]

Look, another. Thats 3 in a row. Keep going

[wind oyster]

Look another strawman by spamming that someone else is having a strawman argument

Classy

[shy slate]

Clearly you dont know what a strawman arguement is

[quaint dune]

i dont, would you explain it? XD

[wind oyster]

A straw man argument is a logical fallacy that involves misrepresenting someone's argument by exaggerating or distorting it, then attacking the misrepresentation instead of the original argument.

[wind oyster]

Since you didnt know what it means @shy slate

Youre welcome

🫀

[shy slate]

Nice job copy/pasting the answer Google AI answers gave you

[quaint dune]

XD

[wind oyster]

You had to google to make sure

Funny

“This cant be right the definition i made up is something else!!”

[shy slate]

I was googling for an image that best explains it, but image perms are off here

[quaint dune]

xD

[shy slate]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

[wind oyster]

Keep spamming strawman argument under every statement someone makes just to be the strawman argument itself

[shy slate]

your statements are all wrong tho.

[quaint dune]

well not wrong, but subjective

[wind oyster]

Crazy thats just like the image you just sent

Nice strawman argument bro

Airstrafing sure wasnt a fairly new and refreshing mechanic in 2014 sigh it really wasnt a big thing!

I didnt see anyone do it 🦧

[tropic badge]

Haha tourist - Why don’t you watch my clip

https://youtu.be/1Gm63rexB8Y?feature=shared

Do I look like a tourist to you ? I work as a squad and see a game to victory.

But that’s when times were good , can’t expect that now from clownfield

[dusk ether]

isn't this that exact thing though

[wind oyster]

Dont care

[tropic badge]

I know you don’t bro , that’s why you are a clown.

[wind oyster]

No im agreeing with him

Hes right

[shy slate]

This is an example what you just did

Player: I hope they dont make movement too complex, or allow slide spamming

Pickle: So you just want BF1 movement and no skill again????

Player: No, I dont want that

Pickle: Exactly, I win

[quaint dune]

jesus christ

[wind oyster]

Ill kiss his feet now

[wind oyster]

You made up an argument in your head HAHAHHA

AHAHAHAHHA

[tropic badge]

Gimp bro , grow up honestly

[shy slate]

and its what you do with every idea thats in opposition to yours

[wind oyster]

and then youre calling my statements a strawman argument

[quaint dune]

ngl thats literally what youve just done pickle lmfao

go back and read what you yourself wrote

[wind oyster]

Who said anything about complex movement

[shy slate]

It is LITERALLY what they just did.

[wind oyster]

Ill give you 42 hours to locate a message that said anything that would make battlefield about complex mechanical skill

Good luck

Xoxo

[shy slate]

Present the extreme of something someone said > say that thing is bad > Everyone agrees that the extreme of said thing is bad > claim victory

The Pickle Maneuver

[dusk ether]

They have taken objective duff

[wind oyster]

@shy slate

You gonna spam random garbage or

Its more of

[shy slate]

I dont need to, people here know you, how you act and what you just posted. the example I posted was an example, not verbatim of something you said.

[wind oyster]

I state something> bsod: “Strawman strawman strawman!!!”

[shy slate]

Yes, because its all you are able to do, when trying to nullify what another says

[wind oyster]

Right and now when i ask you to prove me wrong (again lol) you all of a sudden dont have to “aktwually” 🤓 and you now have an imaginary gf and have to go outside and whatnot

Strawman strawman!!

[shy slate]

The reason youre so triggered and spam tagging me is you know im right, as does everyone else who is active lol

[tropic vine]

good morning

[wind oyster]

Youre nullyfing what im saying to misrepresent what i said by saying lies you then spam strawman under every statement and say im wrong with actual no real counter arguments