community-update-classes

[oblique zephyr]

it was an example of what happen in bf2042, in the past bf locked weapon was good both for team play, and also for enemy, if i see and engi i can have a better readiness i have small range of weapon it will use against me

[fresh cliff]

Yeah? 4 isn’t the only game with locked weapons

Literally Every BF besides for 2042 has had locked weapons

(I count 4 because it has some locked weapons)

[waxen cypress]

Yes, the class system was a CORE element of the game mechanics and what made battlefield, amongst some other things, differ from COD

[fiery rune]

why not remove guns entirely. it'd be different from COD!

[boreal harbor]

I’m aware, I’m giving an example that not every BF was some smashing success.

Most of this community calls BFV a failure… locked weapons

[oblique zephyr]

thanks, i am not very good saying what i have in mind XD, and english don't help me XD

[waxen cypress]

BF V is gold compared to 42

[boreal harbor]

Weapons don’t make the class or dice wouldn’t be switching who gets what every other game

[fresh cliff]

V was a failure because the marketing team made their first mistake ever

V was their one big failure

[obtuse crest]

bfV was a failure because they were testing how to monetize thing like cod with skin that doesnt fit with the game and Op named skin.

[boreal harbor]

woosh

[boreal harbor]

That and another bad launch on a technical side and DICE fucking with the ttk then dipping out on Xmas break

[waxen cypress]

Also battle royale and other elements people didn't like. Class system has nothing to do with it.

[fresh cliff]

Yeah. That too

Though, it’s a bf staple to launch a broken game on launch and rush to fix it. It applies to pretty much every game. Iirc one of the only recent ones with a working launch was HL

[boreal harbor]

Battle royale came a year later, it had no bearing on the launch of the game

You can argue it fucked with their content release and how little content the game got until War in the Pacific

[waxen cypress]

I'm just speaking in general about the game

[boreal harbor]

BF1 too

[waxen cypress]

I agree it's not their best but compared to 42 as I said is golden

tbh I had fun in it though

I don't hate it

[boreal harbor]

Ya and on a base systems level 2042 is in a good spot. Still plagued by entrenched tech issues etc

[waxen cypress]

hundred of hours on it

[hollow turtle]

Thank you.

[boreal harbor]

The weapons system is not an issue in it

[humble root]

ahh yes, BF1 where medic had a pick rate of 11% because they had shit weapons.
Really great how it helped with that

[boreal harbor]

BFV medic at release too when the smgs had worse range than shotguns

[humble root]

or BF3 & 4 where about 70% played M16A3 & AEK, fun times

[boreal harbor]

BC2 had a lack of medics because not many people like LMGs

[humble root]

but we just ignore that with out rose tinted glasses, there was never a "meta" before 2042..

[waxen cypress]

indeed...

wink wink

[humble root]

yeah i literally had 2hrs on medic in BC2, because they had LMGs. most people just don't like them

[boreal harbor]

Recon has had an issue for the last decade+ where all their gadgets aren’t designed for sniping outside of a few like soflam

[fresh cliff]

Where do you find these stats?

[waxen cypress]

peak battlefield for me was playing recon on bf 1

and being a commander in bf 2 lol

[humble root]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/9hsdo1/since_we_have_the_bfv_player_class_distribution/

[fresh cliff]

Huh. Neat

About labs, I do feel like assault will be the most picked class by far regardless of locked or unlocked weapons

They’ve set it up to be the most op no-teamwork class possible

[boreal harbor]

only speaking for me, prior to 2042 I rarely played anything other than the AR class and Engineer... outside of BC2 recon for the VSS (fucking loved this gun)

2042 I will play whatever class the squad/team needs because I can use my preferred weapon

not getting locked into a weapon class I hate

[humble root]

peak BF was BF3 for me.
but still, i can love these games for what they were, while still acknowledging that they were not perfect.
Locked per class weapons was always something that bothered me, so i really like that they got rid of it

[boreal harbor]

I also feel like there is a much better class distribution in 2042 and people are much more willing to switch to a specialist/role that is needed because they can continue using the fav gun or whatever gun they're grinding out tiers with

[fiery rune]

2042 was the first game I put over 1,000 hours into because it felt like I had actual agency and could contribute to my team as best as I could while not being limited in how I could engage with the enemy.

I could finally play medic and recon without being forced to use subpar weapons!

[waxen cypress]

why exactly would a medic use a sniper

[fiery rune]

Subpar weapon

[boreal harbor]

why is it always the snipers with y'all and not the 90% of other weapons they can choose from

[fiery rune]

Why can't a medic use an assault rifle?

seriously

[humble root]

exactly this.
i notice this in games too. much more ammo crates for example than in BF3 or 4

[boreal harbor]

2042 literally doesn't have a problem with a mass amount of assault/engi/support running around with snipers

and those players would've just chosen the sniper class in a locked system, you're not losing a player that would've played medic as a medic

[fiery rune]

Though you can be effective with a sniper as engineer. Just specifically with one particular sniper
#battlefield-2042 message

[humble root]

we also don't see the much claimed "only 1 gun meta"

[fresh cliff]

Imo giving everyone assault makes assault useless unless you give assault extra perks like the self-heal.

And giving assault self-heal, anti-tank grenades, and two primaries all at once just makes it the most broken class that requires 0 teamwork

I think it could work though

[humble root]

i'd argue, that i see more different weapons being used, than when i loading into a BF4 servers. where everyone uses AEK / ACW-R

[fresh cliff]

They just need to remove some of the perks

[boreal harbor]

the only time we had something near that was the season the BSV came out (s1 I think) and that thing was god at all ranges

[fiery rune]

the PP-29 was busted near launch

it still is great

[humble root]

RM68 & VHX too
But with locked weapons, everyone would've played assault to get to play these weapons
which would've been even worse, no medics, no engineers...

[feral torrent]

pp-29 is arguably still the best gun overall tbh

[boreal harbor]

that's a gadget issue and symptom of early builds where something tends to run stupid OP until they bring it in line

[fresh cliff]

Even if there was for a short time, stuff like that can be fixed by having actual recoil and spread

[fiery rune]

ew spread

[boreal harbor]

assault should fill the infantry/explosive area denial role.

2 primaries, lowkey kinda like and want to see how it plays out

[fiery rune]

just give me uncontrollable recoil

[fresh cliff]

Spread adds a new game mechanic that people can learn. Instead of just pointing and shooting, you have to learn how to do controlled sprays

[fiery rune]

it's not hard to learn, you just stop shooting for 3 frames

that's lame as hell

[fresh cliff]

I’m not arguing for uncontrollable spread. I’m arguing for something like 4’s spread where you have to do more than point and shoot

[fresh cliff]

It’s better than just pointing and shooting

[boreal harbor]

never been a fan of spread, if they want to control engagement distances, make better maps

and put aggressive damage fall off

[fresh cliff]

Or just use the system that has been proven to work?

[fiery rune]

and proven to be confusing in practice

[boreal harbor]

plenty of good shooters don't utilize spread because they let map design determine engagements

[fresh cliff]

If you get confused by spread, that’s a skill issue

It’s one of the simplest shooting mechanics I can think of

[humble root]

spread how it was in BF3 & 4 is good.
even CS and Val have spread...

[fresh cliff]

I agree that works. But so does spread

The only difference is that, imo, spread feels better

Though, that’s probably just because the games I’ve played with spread have better feeling guns

[boreal harbor]

I'm camp, aggressive recoil and visual recoil really doesn't bother me... unless the gun models take up the majority of the screen

[fiery rune]

Spread is a hidden mechanic. There's a circle where your bullet can go, and you can't predict how big the circle is at any point and you can't know where in the circle it'll go. All you know is the circle gets bigger as you shoot automatically. If you aim and shoot at someone, the bullet might leave the barrel at a 25 degree angle away from the center which doesn't make any sense realistically.

[boreal harbor]

spread is a confusing mechanic until you see a video about it

it's not something the game does any job explaining to the player

[fiery rune]

Recoil is a visible mechanic. Your shot goes where your barrel is pointed, you just lose control of where it points.

[boreal harbor]

but once you're aware that it exists it's not a hard thing

[fiery rune]

If you need an external video to explain it then it's not a good mechanic.

[fresh cliff]

Only if you’ve been holding the trigger for a while

Spread never happens on the first few shots

Or, at least, should never happen

[fiery rune]

right so the circle is extremely small

[fresh cliff]

Or just a dot

[fiery rune]

perhaps even the minimum size

the circle is always there, just different sizes

[fresh cliff]

Basically, yeah. The circle just gets bigger the longer you shoot and resets when you stop shooting

Iirc there is a small cooldown, but I might just be misremembering

[fiery rune]

I'm not saying the mechanic is hard to deal with, it's just a hidden mechanic. Hidden mechanics are ultimately annoying to me when used in the micro-game

[fresh cliff]

I understand that. It could be nice to add a visual element to spread

[humble root]

you just fire in bursts instead of hold LMB / R1
it's not rocket science😁

[fresh cliff]

But even if they don’t, I feel like it’s good enough of a mechanic to be worth the little annoyance

[boreal harbor]

I'll allow microbursting spread control to exist if it doesn't gimp the fuck out of burst fire weapons

what they did to the AN94 from BF3 to BF4 is a war crime

and also how garbo burst fire weapons in 2042 are, DICE please

[humble root]

AN94 was pretty busted in BF3 tbf..
the AC-42 was also crazy good for some time, especially on controller

[boreal harbor]

it was busted if you knew how to use it

[gentle star]

AC42 can sometimes hyper burst cause the game is broken

[humble root]

does that still exist?
i thought it got fixed

[gentle star]

It will never be fixed

Probably will still happen in the next game too with burst weapons

[boreal harbor]

then the other 95% of the time you just become the tickle monster

[fiery rune]

i like using it as a sneaky assault rifle with full suppression

[shy slate]

How would you know?

[waxen cypress]

i had a dream

[shy slate]

"the source is I made it up"

[waxen cypress]

yes yes sure

[shy slate]

Because I asked people and you arent a tester. So your source is either a few dozen video leaks, or imaginary

[waxen cypress]

Lol

I didnt know they invited through discord names

[shy slate]

Clearly you arent one, or you would

[waxen cypress]

go take a walk

[shy slate]

Because?

[waxen cypress]

you're either tryna trick me into break nda or there's some people trolling you rn

[pure zinc]

Wtf is going on

[shy slate]

Bros is pretending to be a tester, and present made up stats on player class usage

[pure zinc]

I think its too early to give stats on that, unless they said them in the private discord but you arent supposed to disclose that if so

💀

[waxen cypress]

it was blatant in the pre alpha

[shy slate]

I just asked a friend who is (Who shall obviously remain anonymous) to see if they share specific servers, and they dont.

[waxen cypress]

vast majority played medic

everybody saw it

wakey wakey

[waxen cypress]

damn you look important

[shy slate]

Im not, but im not sitting in discord lying to others lol

[pure zinc]

Pretty sure there's a labs private discord

[shy slate]

bingo

[waxen cypress]

lying about what?

[astral kelp]

Did it also occur that “90% played medic” wasn’t supposed to be literal

[shy slate]

He has said it multiple times again, so he means vast majority, aside from the 90% value

[waxen cypress]

oh damn I get it now guys he wanted to look cool by saying he knows "certain people" and that he's into some private discord

everybody clap

[shy slate]

As opposed to the guy pretending to be one

[lyric glen]

is the private discord something that they have sent invites for?

[waxen cypress]

pretending to be what? someone who played the pre alpha?

hundred people did

lol

💀

[lyric glen]

am confused😐

oh well

[boreal harbor]

If you’ve been invited to the play test (don’t think this last one counted) you would’ve have received an invite to the private playtest discord

The one the devs actually read and respond to lol

[lyric glen]

o

[waxen cypress]

Okay I proved that guy wrong now he's saying I have low kdr in my pms

[waxen cypress]

yes this one didnt count

probably its for people who did old tests

[shy slate]

"I jus broke my NDA to this guy" like it something to brag about lol

Bro cant even take a gentle trolling

[waxen cypress]

an apology is well accepted buddy

[shy slate]

I apologise you didnt read more when younger?

[waxen cypress]

you're really toxic bro

[lyric glen]

well i can't confirm or deny anything

[boreal harbor]

Getting really butthurt over someone calling out you saying 90% of people were assaults

[shy slate]

No, he said medic

But the statement rings true.

[boreal harbor]

As if a limited playtime stress test is indicative of balance going forward when Assault is clearly overtuned atm

And also, people not knowing wtf they’re doing and just picking the first class in the list

[boreal harbor]

Earlier today he was saying assaults I’m pretty sure

[shy slate]

Is also just a number picked out of the air lol. But it was medic, unless they changed their mind/opinion on who played what

#community-update-classes message

[waxen cypress]

No I said medic

obviously 90% was hiperbolic

[boreal harbor]

Why you complaining about the majority of people playing medic?

When that was normal in BF3/4/V(after smgs got buffed)

[mild rock]

I think a really cool way to teach the player base is to do a paintball mode.

If people visually can see where their bullets wound up it would be great for learning recoil and spread patterns.

Once you learn it it doesn't mean much but I genuinely do think it would help out a lot of people.

[light quarry]

There's a 3rd party site for BF4 that showed the recoil and spread patterns of all the guns and you could change attachments and see the pattern change. (helldivers 2 added this in game in a recent patch and i would welcome it in BF6 as well)

[vagrant pebble]

Reddit hates stims now

[gentle star]

Reddit hates everything including you

[vagrant pebble]

I'm fine with rechargable stims tbh, if assault isn't a self sustainable class people will just play as support for self heals

[wind oyster]

They can alr do that

[wind oyster]

Reddit hates everything

Actually braindead people

They dont want any form of movement to exist in the game, they want to completely cut random gadgets in the game

[minor yew]

that's Reddit. They gotta find something to be angry about ... 24/7 and 100% up time.

[sacred wave]

if the devs care, im gonna give feedback about the announcer

so. the voices are so robotic

and clear

[dusk ether]

They have taken objective butter

[thin bloom]

I would make a hybrid, that is, the exclusive Recon class, and the other 3 classes, if they can take the weapons they want from the 3 classes, with their respective penalties, and the gadgets and gadgets limit them as they are now.

[dusk ether]

if anything the recon is the one that benefits most from having other weapons

[thin bloom]

That's why I said that RECON is the only one that shouldn't take other weapons from other classes.

[dusk ether]

I think your wording confused me

But yeah in that case, spot on

[thin bloom]

That's the bad thing about translations, my friend. I think it's the right thing to do to make everyone happy. It doesn't make sense to see a recon with any weapon other than a rifle. However, carrying a carbine or a machine gun in an assault is viable, but with its limitations and penalties. The classes would make sense, and if you want to break away from their meaning, you'll have to pay the penalty when using the weapon.

As for soldier upgrades, I think they are a mistake, they should be patrol upgrades like we had in BF3/4, and by eliminating the option of being able to carry 2 primary weapons or the automatic spot, these 2 upgrades are incredibly stupid and unbalance everything.

[humble root]

i really don't understand why everyone is suddenly upset about recon having access to other weapons than snipers/DMRs.
Recon had access to various weapons for every engagement range since BC2
Nobody complained about "class identity" or "readability"

[shy slate]

Yeah, it doesnt make sense why the soldier with characteristics and training that make it an elite firearms user, would use anything other than a sniper rifle! /s

0/10 logic

Its fine to just say you prefer classes with locked weapons, without having to fabricate crazy reasons as to why

[vagrant pebble]

Penalties or buffs won't work, might as well just lock 2 weapon categories to every class with no universals

[waxen cypress]

Well I don't think it's cool if a large majority of people all play the same class

i dont have anything against medics lol

[mild rock]

Its like

I slightly leaned on locked weapons but I understand why for free

If i were to argue for locked weapons i would say
"You can balance the class around pushing for a playstyle but give credence to let them go slightly beyond how the class should ideally play for that freedom"

"Recons should only get 6x + zcopes etc."

[humble root]

the issue with that is tho, certain maps require a certain playstyle / engagement ranges.
if you lock a class to weapons which are not good on those maps, people will not play that class.
and if you give them universal weapons for every engagement range anyway, why not just unlock all anyway?

[mild rock]

Yeah it falls apart very quickly.

I want to run devils advocate but I can't seem the creativity for it.

Bith systems have problems.

[quaint dune]

🐀

[mild rock]

But i think these are very specific problems unique to both.

[ancient heath]

If you’re going to create and incentivize certain playstyles and roles for each class I don’t think homogenizing the weapon selection is going to help, it seems to be more counterintuitive.

Not every class should be anti-infantry by given them ars, they should rly only be for the assault class which seems to be their specialty.

[humble root]

engaging infantry is what you do most of the time, regardless of class
even as engineer, you'll fight inf. more than vehicles. there isn't a vehicle around all the time.
if you give them worse weapons against inf. most people will opt-out of playing that class

[ancient heath]

Your rather unique position is to repair and damage vehicles, you literally shouldn’t have the same power as assault who only specializes in anti-infantry lol.

[rotund agate]

locked weapons is a massive red herring for the actual issue which is that classes have no identity at all under the proposed system

giving buffs to "correct" weapons never worked in 2042 and the passive skill tree will just be ignored like bf4 squad perks

and 3 gadgets means you can do anything at any time

[humble root]

where was the "class identity" in BC2 or in BF4?
a engineer still need the support for ammo/health
a support still need engineer to fight vehicles
assault / recon still need engineers & support to fight vehicles and get ammo

i do agree, that they probably should get rid of one gadget slot tho

[rotund agate]

everything except the moment-to-moment infantry gameplay sucks in bf4, i so wish it wasn't the go-to example for game design

but take engineer for example which was stuck doing anti-vehicle due to a limited gadget selection and (theoretically) worse primary weapon options

[idle bay]

weapons should be locked to classes

[rotund agate]

"class identity" is a fucking stupid term anyway, it's roles

does your class have one or maybe two things it does well

[mild rock]

So I had to do things and help drunk people but uh

Class identity just sounds more sentimental than anything

[humble root]

yeah and the roles are defined by the gadgets or are they not?
a engineer is a engineer because he can repair & attack vehicles with his gadgets
a medic is a medic because he can heal & revive people also with his gadgets

[mild rock]

The identity of engineer in this argument is anti vehicle/vehicle support.

[rotund agate]

idk where this argument is at anymore, i'm just tired of dice's half-assed solutions

[shy slate]

So then all classes bar assault become useless in infantry only modes like domination.

[waxen cypress]

Indeed. Same as medics. Support has more ways to make points (which is supposed to be more important than making kills) than assault, so its fair assault is a little better against infantry

[waxen cypress]

It sure ALSO has sentimental value I don't see how thats a bad thing though, why shouldn't it be considered?

We just had oblivion remaster

They kept the bugs in

Lmao

Some of them atleast, on purpose, the most iconic

[mild rock]

People have crazy interpretations the way I see it. And it always changes. People go ohhh this class should be like this and that cause their guns keep them from doing everything like no what

I want a powerful engineer.

I'll go I want I want I want as weak as it is but the reason why I speak like I do is because I believe it would be good for the game and player experience.

There problems? Yes.

[humble root]

"we've always done it that way, we should continue doing it like that until eternity"
imagine if manufacturing companies would think like that

[mild rock]

But that crops up with everything.

[waxen cypress]

We could remove the hidden blade from assassins creed then or cars from GTA by following this logic. I dont see how its bad to have core elements. I mean... we just had 42 without.

[humble root]

strawman argument
i'm not saying we should remove weapons, do I?

i just advocate for more freedom and a better gameplay experience

nowhere did i say we should remove classes either

[waxen cypress]

Strawman argument is comparing battlefield to a manufacturing company

I had my share of better gameplay experience with 42

[astral kelp]

In part yes. But I also think weapon selection plays a role in class dynamics

[ancient heath]

Class would include weapon selection as well as gadgets, throwables aswell as their appearance

[humble root]

what class dynamics?
people seem to be so afraid of engineers with strong infantry weapons
meanwhile in BC2, they had pretty much the best weapons in the game and it was fine

[ancient heath]

Supports shouldn’t be able to use snipers they should be closer to the fight supplying squads and teammates and providing suppression lol.

[boreal harbor]

THANK YOU

[boreal harbor]

Except the “same power” as assault isn’t tied to weapon choice, it’s the gadgets just like how it’s the gadgets that give engineers their anti vehicle capabilities

[boreal harbor]

That’s all the locked weapons argument is. Just people that can’t move on from what was done previously and the one time we had weapon freedom, was a game that failed (but not due to weapon freedom)

So they want to throw the baby out with the bath water

[fresh cliff]

I wish more people played HL. It’s the real example of good gunplay and class management

[boreal harbor]

Nah, let’s talk about the goon gunplay

[fresh cliff]

[boreal harbor]

But this would’ve required people to see that battlefield can exist beyond a USMC vs RU/CN skin

[fresh cliff]

Yeah. HL is honestly my favorite BF, but many people completely write it off because it isn’t military themed

[waxen cypress]

It's a great battlefield spin off

[dusk ether]

I still advocate for restrictions but there are reasons for both, which makes it a tough discussion

Mostly comes down to me enjoying playing around the restrictions, managing pathing and engagement timings to better suit what I have. And also being able to help others in situations they aren’t as viable in because of that restriction

Alongside the more consistent teammate positioning

[thin bloom]

DICE has a very difficult time getting this right, and that's why, in my opinion, I continue, that the gadget restriction like this in Pree Alpha is very good, it only blocked the Recon class from being able to use any weapon other than that of its class, and the rest of the classes could use any weapon except Recon, but with their respective penalties, that is, a support soldier with the machine gun, always. It would have an extra precision and control over an assault or engineer, this is the fairest thing to do, the classes would still make sense and there would be hardly any limitations.
Or, for example, an assault unit that carries a support machine gun, which has to fight against the weight of the weapon and moves and runs more slowly during the game.

[shy slate]

If they want to have more teamplay like everyone here seems to cream about in BFV (In the last few days at least), let them bring back full attrition and scarcity of health and ammo supplies. Teamwork through being forced FTW!!

[humble root]

i remember the ammo scarcity as engineer in BF3 because nobody liked playing support with their LMGs.
luckily we could have 8 rockets with the explosive perk. otherwise it would've been even more annoying

[ancient heath]

2 rockets 2 primary weapons lmao

[dusk ether]

Plz no :(

[cinder flax]

Hello, we have been waiting for 5 people for a long time for the BF6 Playtest, but we have not received any mail, I wonder if there is a location-based restriction?

[vagrant pebble]

It's random

For classes: I still personally want them to lock them behind classes(like BF1 or V, not 3 or 4). No need to dilute BF identity further when they are hellbent on doing that in other aspects already.

[boreal harbor]

BF's "identity" was once locked to 1 weapon per class with one class not having a primary all together

[vagrant pebble]

Yes

[tranquil remnant]

They should ripoff Battlebit. Not the full bandaging mechanism but the players can only self heal to 50-75% and need a medic to get to 100%. I love that system. You’re not hosed without a medic but if you have a medic you have an advantage.

[shy slate]

So the thing BattleBit ripped off from BFV 😛

[vagrant pebble]

Everyone hated attrition in BFV

[torn drum]

not everyone

[vagrant pebble]

It forced me to play as medic even in maps that wouldn't be suited for medic

[shy slate]

It was hated enough, and retention was bad enough that they significantly nerfed it. So id say it was

[vagrant pebble]

Attrition doesn't matter for medic anyways, so I will still play as medic if BF6 has attrition

[pure zinc]

I like attrition for vehicles

[torn drum]

same made vics have to move instead of camp

[pure zinc]

Imo it balances vehicles more with infantry

[torn drum]

yep i found it was the msot balanced vic vs infantry

in any bf iv played

[shy slate]

It didnt, it just made them not like, and stop playing the game

[torn drum]

then they should not be a wetwipe because they wanna be in a unbalanced position of power

[shy slate]

Or maybe they want to just enjoy their casual FPS shooter

[torn drum]

na they wanted to be nearly untouchable campers bcause they lack the skill to play on a balanced playing field

[shy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-katniss-gif-5415223

[vagrant pebble]

BFV tanks are more campy than other BF tanks imo

Due to attrition

[shy slate]

Yup, attrittion made camping worse not better lol

[vagrant pebble]

That's why BFV has so many tanks sitting at the back of the map

[torn drum]

blow up there supplys was a option or trap them with mines

[vagrant pebble]

I would still want attrition because f*** tank farmers and heli farmers but they didn't made the game better 😂

[torn drum]

oh yess making helis have to back out of supplys and full hp would make it feel so good playing as infantry

give limited flares to a heli make them have to resupply for more

same with a jet

[pure zinc]

Vehicle attrition is a way to balance vehicles against infantry and its needed imo.

Not really fun getting smoked by 2 sweats in an Attack Heli all game lol.

[fiery rune]

There definitely should be some mechanic that makes it progressively more difficult to be effective with vehicles as time goes on. Either attrition, ammo/gadget limits, or both. Perhaps progressive attrition where breaking vehicle parts lead to reduced health and the only way to fix it is to go to spawn and repair specifically there.

[quaint dune]

ah my old enemy... the little bird

[pure zinc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/QFN2pHVzXh

Hold up

[stoic wraith]

https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/battlefield/faq

For me i gave up...

[mild rock]

2042 left such a bad taste in everyones mouth and I don't blame them for being adverse.

The complete total class freedom is problematic yeah, But now people are making shit up.

I think some dude mentioned "lemme go 2 primaries with 2 rockets" like no you idiot that's not how it works.

Attacks asides that's the impression of an open weapon system has left on everyone.

[pearl kernel]

People are forgetting this is just a pre alpha playtest. This why developers stray away from doing stuff like this because you guys jump to conclusions

[gray nimbus]

When people say they want classes back they mean classes like from battlefield 1942 not Marvel Avengers

[fiery rune]

which is hilarious because Battlefield 1942 is closer to Marvel Avengers than Battlefield 2042 is

just with way fewer characters

like, imagine if instead of giving more weapons to the classes, they just added a ton of classes

that's what a hero shooter is

[gray nimbus]

Honestly there’s probably a way to do things like combine classes and give different “specialties” to classes without going full unlocked

But the current approach is bad

Like medic/ assault could be two specialties that share weapons , support can be three specialties (recon or machine gunner or anti vehicle ) . Where there are a range of different weapons that can be used for a given set of gadgets . I think that’s a good middle ground .

[mild rock]

Basically Archetypes.

I would love to see Archetypes as well.

Too bad it got cut.

[sacred wave]

bring back Iran maps from bf3

[bleak stratus]

you mean iraq iran border 😉

i wouldnt mind any class lockes or unlocks if only people with ammo and med boxes know how to do their job and drop a box when they spawn on one would be nice wish there is a system where that is enforced when playing support or medic or whatever you call it now days

[midnight crescent]

That would be pretty cool actually

[sacred wave]

no. Iran

noshahr canals

grand bazaar

[pure zinc]

Just becuase they say they want classes back it doesn't always mean 1942. It's usually like battlefield 3/4/1 classes, 1942 is minority

[humble root]

yeah let's bring back 1942 classes, where anti-tank only had a pistol as primary. bet this would be fun and people would really like playing that

[gray nimbus]

Ok after some thought , I realized 1942 styles too much . As I mentioned earlier a better approach is more like unlocked weapons shared between one of two types and no crazy passive abilities

[mild rock]

From what I've seen with the passive abilities it's to really make the lcass normally function with them.

Like how support has no movement speed loss with LMG's.

Meaning there'll be caviats to using them outside of the class.

[vagrant pebble]

https://youtu.be/0Dv368f-vxM

Enders spoke out how to lock weapons to classes:
Assault: ARs, shotguns
Engi: Carbines, SMGs
Support: LMGs, Battle Rifles
Recon: DMRs, Bolt Actions

Why isn't there a battle rifle category already though? There are some 3BTK ARs in the game appearently. 🥶 They would fit into BR category pretty well imo. Also some misplaced weapons in carbine category(such as XM7 being a carbine).

[sacred wave]

I think ender is also one of them

[vagrant pebble]

Them?

[sacred wave]

Yes. Those who damage control for the big companies

Aka fanboys

[tropic vine]

i shouldn't have to be stuck using the kd chasing kiddie class to use any guns. Especially not ARs.

Also Engineer getting CQC weapons is always an incredibly stupid idea considering vehicle maps are large and open

[vagrant pebble]

I would rather want Engi to have DMRs and carbines and recon to have SMGs and bolt actions tbh

Recon is also spec ops, they should have close range options

[sacred wave]

but im still concered about skins

[vagrant pebble]

I don't think so, he wants either full unlocked weapons or hard locked weapons. No half baked weapon classes like BF3 or BF4 which community wants for some reason despite every class having an AR in the form of carbines, a sniper in the form of DMRs etc. in BF4

[sacred wave]

they be like. dice is good
then if the game flops they say dice is bad
and as soon as a new trailer comes up they say "return to form"

i only trust my own researches

[vagrant pebble]

Enders isn't known for saying DICE is good but okay 😂

[sacred wave]

my criteria is not having skins in bf

[humble root]

Bad idea...
the problem i see with the suggested weapon types in each class is, support / medic don't really have any weapons suited for CQC. this will most likely lead to people not wanting to play support/medic on CQC / Inf.only maps.
Instead, we have engineer players on CQC / Inf. only maps, only adding explosive spam..

[sacred wave]

i mean cod youtubers are like this. that made me lose trust yk

[vagrant pebble]

Well then so what if support has carbines and engineer has battle rifles?

[sacred wave]

no one buys them in battlefield. cod players who buy, are playing their own game. you cant attract a cod player to bf because to them nothing top cod

[vagrant pebble]

This game already has gunsmithing so you can probably turn an LMG into an AR anyways. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

[vagrant pebble]

It's confirmed to be live service long before we heard anything about the game, long before the labs announcement. As long as we don't get Nicki Minaj, TMNT or giant shark man skins I would be fine with whatever they are doing. Last few 2042 skins are so out of touch tbh. They don't fit into the game imo. I think current 2042 is a testing ground for BF6. Let's hope people won't buy the ridiculous skins they are putting out now so BF6 can be safe. Glad I didn't see many players using Rambo Mackay or Big Sister Blasco skins they put out.

[humble root]

so why not just give them the ARs anyway..

[vagrant pebble]

I want every class to be unique

An LMG decked out to be an AR won't be as good as AR, it will be closer to an AR

[humble root]

they are, thx to the unique gadgets

[sacred wave]

yeah i just wait. if they insist on modern setting they should KEEP the moder setting

if they bring it im not gonna play

even for free

[tropic vine]

it WILL have skins, so that's a lost fight

[vagrant pebble]

I don't use anything but Mackay and Zain in 2042, I won't use anything but assault in BF6, unless they lock the weapons

Why would I use a recon when I can use Mackay to reach places others can't reach and snipe people from there 😂

[tropic vine]

I don't want locked weapons because i don't ever want to use assault. I do not like assault

[sacred wave]

is it confirmed?

[vagrant pebble]

Then don't play as assault?

[tropic vine]

If they have a gun i like, then i'd have to. Fortunately there's no locked guns, so i won't have to

[dusk ether]

If you use an ounce of common sense, yes

[sacred wave]

i dont know why im the only one who have a problem with making every game fortnite

[vagrant pebble]

I personally don't want to see premium back, I'm fine with live service

[dusk ether]

You aren’t lol. But it will have skins, thinking it won’t is foolish

[sacred wave]

and people dislike and BUY the game

why

[tropic vine]

most BFV skins besides Elite one were pretty nice. Bad for muh historical accuracy, but they'd be completely fine in a modern setting

[dusk ether]

Because frankly I care more about the game than the skins

Besides, the skins we’ve had haven’t been too obnoxious yet

[sacred wave]

no one fights in a leather jacket

[dusk ether]

But you just need to spend one day on social media to see people complain about it just the same

[sacred wave]

or that agent 47 with red coat in 2042

[vagrant pebble]

They will hopefully lock them

No more shotty for you 😂

[tropic vine]

i shouldn't have to be a kd chasing kiddie class to use certain guns. I really don't care about the existence of that class with unlocked guns as I never have to touch it, but that opinion changes the second there are locked guns

[tropic vine]

I can perform any class role perfectly fine with any weapon type besides Bolt Actions, which are generally useless regardless of class

[humble root]

that's the specialist problem, nothing to do with universal weapons in the new BF

[vagrant pebble]

Assault is an anti infantry class, they should have the best anti infantry weapons locked to them.

[dusk ether]

It find it funny how engineers never get lambasted for being a class based around taking out tanks but assaults who take out infantry get targeted. Sure engineers can repair, but I never seen anyone complain about an engineer being selfish and hunting for vehicle kills

[humble root]

why would i ever play engineer or support, if all they have are shitty weapons?

[dusk ether]

As a flex pick to deal with a problem

[vagrant pebble]

Did BF1 or BFV support had shitty weapons?

[humble root]

BF1 medic had horrible weapons, yes.
hence why it only had a pick rate of 11%

[tropic vine]

"why is nobody giving me ammo or reviving me??? DICE is incompetent"

[vagrant pebble]

I only play as medic tbh

In BF1

[dusk ether]

Same

[vagrant pebble]

Medic SLRs are goated in that game, they have the best versatility

[tropic vine]

Sure they might be good weapons, but it doesn't mean people want to use them.

[vagrant pebble]

Assault had good weapons: Useless beyond 15 meters
Medic had bad weapons: Can be used across the map

Really bad example to use BF1

[tropic vine]

and how many of them gave up their syringe for rifle nades?

[tropic vine]

No, it's a perfect example. The rifles are good, but nobody wanted to use semi autos so nobody played it.

[humble root]

it's a great example. because it perfectly shows, that people choose the class based on the weapons, not the gadgets.
otherwise, BF1 medic would've the same high pick rate as in BF3 & 4

[vagrant pebble]

BF3/4 medics had the best weapons and self healing

70% of the people playing same class in a match isn't okay

[dusk ether]

It’s really annoying, this whole ordeal, cause I always choose classes for the kit and overall playstyle but those who just choose for the weapon end up complicating the matter

[humble root]

but you want the same in the next BF, make it make sense

[tropic vine]

that's why DICE unlocked weapons. They talked about this both times

[vagrant pebble]

What's the pick rate % in BFV?

30-30-20-20 should be good pick rate %

[tropic vine]

Fortunately unlocked weapons only diversify your kit and open up new playstyles if you truly want them

[humble root]

Assault: 33.75% (+2.25% in BFV to 36%)

Scout: 31.5% (-3.5% in BFV to 28%)

Support: 23.5% (-9.5% in BFV to 14%)

Medic: 11.25% (+10.75% in BFV to 22%)

[vagrant pebble]

So BFV is perfectly balanced

[dusk ether]

Trouble is I want others to have the same restrictions too, or else the individual value of each class feels lessened to me

[vagrant pebble]

With hard class locked weapons

[dull pier]

idk why people think unlocked weapons will make people play more classes, most people are just going to pick the one class that gives the most benefit to themselves and choose the same gun

[humble root]

support only at 14% is what you call "perfect"?

[tropic vine]

yikes that support pick rate in bfv is bad

[vagrant pebble]

Support is useless as you can pick up ammo from others

[dull pier]

limitation isn't always bad like ive said before

[vagrant pebble]

Literally closest to 30-30-20-20 I posted

[humble root]

tell that engineer players

[vagrant pebble]

Engineer is assault in BFV

[humble root]

good luck finding launcher ammo on the ground

[tropic vine]

never concern yourself with how others play. It's a sandbox game 🥱

[vagrant pebble]

You can find resupply stations everywhere in BFV

Every flag has one

[tropic vine]

Support guns in BFV are dogwater

[humble root]

support is also medic in the next BF, in case you forgot

[dusk ether]

If I don’t feel like my weapon choice is making up for the weaknesses of other kits it feels like my value to them is lessened, I just really like that dynamic and teamplay factor

[vagrant pebble]

Support in BFV isn't the same support as BF6, it's the same support as BF1

[dull pier]

this argument goes either way in this debate

[vagrant pebble]

BF1 support was broken because people used telescopic LMGs to beam people across the map, BFV support is balanced

[tropic vine]

those weaknesses are nothing more than an illusion, as all weapon types have individual guns that excel at ranges that overlap with other weapon types.

[dull pier]

telescopic lmgs my nightmare lol

[vagrant pebble]

Look at what I posted on screenshots and videos, does support seem to have shitty guns in BFV? @humble root

[tropic vine]

anyone can post a clip of them getting a bunch of kills with anything. Has never proved much one way or another

[dull pier]

i widowed and orphaned hundreds with a MG42 and a Trench gun in bfv

[tropic vine]

any idea of the 2042 pick rate

[dusk ether]

My main argument for restrictions is still going to be the natural team formation that comes from it. Since weapons of course have preferred ranges it’s easier to guesstimate where someone like a support will be, compared to them being scattered all over the place as they have been in 2042 from my experience

But there are still enough pros and cons and edge cases between both formats to where I can’t be 100% for or against

[dull pier]

i cant entirely speak on 2042 but i dont really remember much teamplay in 2042 post class redesign for the short time i tried it out

i was one of the many that was confused with the fact weapons weren't locked when it came out like that lol

[shy slate]

I think the only stats we have from 2042 are the ones released with season 4 or 5. And its really limited.

The irony of having a most played map there, when players have no control over what map they played

[vagrant pebble]

[dull pier]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/stay-in-the-box-get-gif-233802832500378753

[tropic vine]

Once again, each weapon type has individual guns that excel at a bunch of different ranges. Even Assault in BF1 had some ridiculous range with the Ribbeyrolles and Maschinenpistole Experimental. Everyone fights at different ranges depending on personal playstyle and the current situation

[shy slate]

But those basic stats line up with what Ive seen in 2042. Ignoring maps like Redacted (Where assault/dozer is more common). I normally see a lot of Flack, Mackay and Lis

[vagrant pebble]

RM68 per nerf is why weapons should be class locked 😂

125 meter AR with no spread = Perfectly balanced

[shy slate]

*suppressed 125m AR with no spread

[tropic vine]

i used that against someone who claimed 70 percent of people used engineer. They could not enlighten about how that fit in with those statistics

[tropic vine]

it needed nerfed no matter what

[gentle star]

Would've changed nothing since assaults have ARs

[shy slate]

Enginner is common enough TBH. Non class locked weapons in 2042 at least let you compete with the Mackay and Falck sweats in 1v1 fights.

[humble root]

if it was class locked to assault, everyone would've played assault
not a single soul would've played medic or engineer

it's actually why weapons shouldn't be class locked

[vagrant pebble]

Assault will be most used class in any BF, you can't change that, that's like wanting to change M4A1/AK47 meta of CS games

[tropic vine]

"why am i not getting revived???? DICE is incompetent"

[humble root]

thx to unlocked weapons, we still saw every class being played

[vagrant pebble]

Wish we had percentage similar to BFV data, wouldn't be surprised BFV was more balanced despite hard locked classes with no universals

[dull pier]

yet the most people reviving were the AI squadmates that followed you

[gentle star]

I would bet the class spread would be somewhat similar in all the games

[humble root]

isn't really the case in 2042, unless on inf. focused maps
look at this spawnscreen for example #screenshots-and-clips message pretty good class distribution

[tropic vine]

yes that 14% Support pick rate is definitely more balanced than BF2042's pick rate lmao

[dusk ether]

In my games I’m seeing like 20 engies :/

[vagrant pebble]

No it isn't, people use engineer but they are terrible at it.

[dull pier]

i still mained assault in 2042 for the short time i played lol

[vagrant pebble]

They don't know how to destroy vehicles, would be better if they picked assault with armor and killed infantry

[dusk ether]

They just pick lock on one and wonder why no rockets hit

Please just use the gustaf or rpg…

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, everyone using engineer isn't a good distribution

[humble root]

i have more of those, but i don't wanna spam

[vagrant pebble]

30-30-20-20 is balanced

Just like BFV

[tropic vine]

That's not the BFV distribution rate lol

[vagrant pebble]

It is, give or take 5%

36-28-14-22

[gentle star]

5% is huge lol

[vagrant pebble]

Yet more balanced than 20-50-20-10

We saw in 2042 clip

[tropic vine]

that's an abysmal pick rate

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, half the team playing as engineers is balanced 😂

Do you guys hear what you are saying?

[shy slate]

I think they could have some form of middle ground class locked weapons...which would make both sides happier than it being fully locked, or fully unlocked.

AKA, something along the lines of:

• Recon - Bolt actions, ARs, Carbines, SMGs, Shotguns, DMRs
• Assault - ARs, SMGs, Shotguns
• Support - LMGs, Carbines, SMGs, Shotguns, DMRs
• Engineer - LMGs, Carbines, SMGs, Shotguns

[dull pier]

homie what

[dusk ether]

Take out all shotguns then we’re good

[tropic vine]

Then that obviously means the gadgets themselves need nerfed. This would be the same with locked weapons.

[vagrant pebble]

People wants to play as engineers because they want best weapons (ARs) with best anti vehicles(rockets)

They are terrible at both

So it would be better to funnel them into assault

Assault has better survival % due to their kit

Dedicated engineers can still farm vehicles

[dull pier]

carbines and LMGs were pretty good in bf4, plus you have the engineer gear n shit

i usually used a SAW if i wasn't assault or marksman

[tropic vine]

Nah that would be Support with the healing

[gentle star]

I think we all know why engineer is picked a bunch in 2042

the vehicles are a menace

[shy slate]

Free TV missiles for all?

[vagrant pebble]

Assault has medpen and armor, armor gives you extra HP, medpen is faster than Falck syringe

[gentle star]

especially helis

[cerulean magnet]

Most people play as engineer as a byproduct to vehicles being overpowered

[tropic vine]

infinite ammo so timmy can kill them with volume of fire

[cerulean magnet]

BF4 had terrible vehicle balance

[gentle star]

I see more Boris than Lis tbh

[shy slate]

Vehicles in 2042 arent overpowered. They are weak against infantry, have not a lot of armor (With the exception of the CAV Brawler) and due to the weak and open map design, can be hit from 240 degrees most of the time

[vagrant pebble]

I would want
Assault: ARs, Shotty
Engineer: Carbines, DMRs
Support: Battle Rifles, LMGs
Recon: SMGs, BARs
No universals would be better imo

[cerulean magnet]

some are some arent

Armor doesnt matter when you have APS

and mobility

[gentle star]

Ground vehicles are mostly fine

[shy slate]

Most are. the only vehicle thats OP is the RAM

[gentle star]

Aside from RAM and Brawler

[dusk ether]

Not to mention rockets do more damage on average due to no angular damage modifiers (for each side)

[tropic vine]

Fortunately that's not gonna happen even if DICE changes things

[shy slate]

By OP, I mean it does too much damage to infantry, too much damage potential to tanks.

Pair their lack of armor, with the fact that DICE, in their infinite wisdom game an engineer a TV missile, which regens its ammo over time...and 2042 is a miserable time for most vehicle players

[dull pier]

fuck hated those Guided missiles

[tropic vine]

Support will be Medic, that's set in stone. Forcing them to be partially stuck with LMGs is a terrible idea, and I will make sure everyone is punished for that by laying prone, firing, and refusing to revive anyone near me

[dusk ether]

Aps was after all a retroactive thing they added because it was so miserable

[shy slate]

You either camp and get complained about, or push in to try help your team and get killed by rockets or C5 (SInce 75% of the specialists have C5)

[cerulean magnet]

the TV missle would be more OP if it regend from ammo crates lol

i would rather have ammo than a passive cooldown regen

[vagrant pebble]

Assault should be the most CQC class and recon should be the most long range class, support and engineer were always in between them, which is why it makes perfect sense

[dusk ether]

And enough mobility to have them just appear behind you with no readability

[shy slate]

Yeah, just give every players readily available and easy to use Pondhawks. From which the can sky dive on top of you with C5.

[dull pier]

atleast it wasn't batlebit where ppl sat in spawn bushes with c4 and tandems

[wind oyster]

Sigh sounds exactly like a cod clone with that cringe sprinting and forward movement…

[tropic vine]

Every class fights at a bunch of different ranges. Recon can be CQC based too. This argument is merely based on personal perception of classes, and not reality

[humble root]

that's the enders copy-pasta

Support: Battle Rifles, LMGs

giving support/medic only mid-long range weapons doesn't make any sense
it's such a bad idea

[gentle star]

It also has too much hp

[dull pier]

i cant speak for all the movement complaints but i just want an arcade fps game nowdays t

that isn't just super movement lol

[wind oyster]

? It isnt only mid-long if they give them regular ARs

[dusk ether]

Fortunately splitgate 2 is out. God I hope that doesn’t just die instantly

[cerulean magnet]

splitgate 2 is DOA

no identity

[wind oyster]

Do people realize what AR’s are lol we are playing extremely versetaile weapons here

[dull pier]

AR's are generally CQC weapons nowdays

minimum*

they are intermediate

[wind oyster]

Yep

[dull pier]

so they can be one or the other

however in games they generally are limited compared to irl if snipers exist

[wind oyster]

Fast rpms on practically any modern weapon and you can legit shorten the stock manually if you want something smaller and they dont weigh much anymore

[vagrant pebble]

Enders would want DMRs in recon, I wouldn't, spec ops playstyle is extremely fun lol

[shy slate]

TBH...if their plan all along was to do unlocked weapons. I find it kinda odd that they have Carbines and ARs as categories.

[tropic vine]

DICE cannot decide what weapons "belong" in what class. The community cannot decide what weapons "belong" in what class, therefore weapons obviously belong in no class. (except Bolt Actions, which are useless no matter what)

[wind oyster]

My R-20 was like not even 3kg with a loaded magazine

[dull pier]

they decided on what weapons fit what class 10 years ago dude

[shy slate]

I know that there is a dfference between an AR and a Carbine, but in a video game...they play extremely similarly.

[vagrant pebble]

So give BRs to Engineer and give Carbines to Support?

[vagrant pebble]

SBMM catched up to me 😭

[dusk ether]

Which is why I find it strange when people bring up the bf4 example as the standard for class locked weapons, cause it felt near enough unlocked

[tropic vine]

They did not. Weapons have changed classes over the years, with Medic having access to every weapon type in the franchise over time (before 2042)

[wind oyster]

You can make them play differently by gunplay mechanics, the type of weapon it is doesnt really dictate its usecase anymore

[dusk ether]

Don’t tell me it has it…

[dull pier]

every game usually does lol

[vagrant pebble]

It's slower than CoD SBMM and matches are more varied but it has SBMM

[dusk ether]

Damn

[vagrant pebble]

I haven't played that much though, I played like 10 matches

[dusk ether]

Guess it’s gonna feel like a comp game then

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, it's gonna die in 2 months I believe

So have fun while you can

[dusk ether]

I’ve been waiting for it as the only movement shooter I have any mild interest in and really want to enjoy it before it goes

[humble root]

exactly, in every comment section where people call for restrictions, they all want different weapons on different classes.
just goes to show that the whole "class identity" doesn't exist. otherwise everyone would agree which weapon to which class

[wind oyster]

They are using same matchmaking theyve been using since bf1 lets not shit our pants over nothing

[dull pier]

they have stayed pretty consistent aside from moving a few less simplistic weapons

you generally have had snipers be a scout thing for ages

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, I was talking about Splitgate 2

[tropic vine]

not only that, but using "Battle Rifles" as a category is ridiculous considering they do not currently exist in the game and will not exist in the game. Way too late for that.

[humble root]

Medics had:
LMGs in BC2
SLRs in BF1
ARs in BF2,3,4
SMGs in BF V

Where's the consistency?

[vagrant pebble]

Just seperate ARs and Carbines into Battle Rifles, not hard to do, there are 3BTK low RPM ARs in the game which would perfectly fit in

[dusk ether]

I was thinking of brs as a sort of semi auto, medic SLR modern equivalent that aren’t marksman rifles

Just cause I like how the medic slrs feel and would enjoy that as a support weapon type

[tropic vine]

Medic has had access to LMGs, ARs, Carbines, PDWs, SMGs, DMRs, Shotguns, and Bolt Action Carbines over the franchise

[tropic vine]

There's not enough to realistically flesh it out as a category, not happening

[vagrant pebble]

There are BRs in carbine category already

Hell even in LMG category

M27 IAR

That's not an LMG

[tropic vine]

and then those categories have less. Great idea!

[tropic vine]

If the RPK can be an LMG so can that

[vagrant pebble]

7-8 weapons per those classes, so if you split them into 4 you will get 5-6 weapons per classes

Which is still good

This game is also live service, it will have more than enough variety

We will get more LMGs, ARs etc.

[tropic vine]

Battle Rifle isn't even a military term, and there aren't enough to flesh it out. It's a fantasy that DICE would even consider adding it (at this point in development)

[vagrant pebble]

A battle rifle is a service rifle chambered to fire a fully powered cartridge.

[dull pier]

m1 garand isn't real guys

[shy slate]

Its a loose term for larger caliber weapons

[tropic vine]

It's still a civilian term lol

It's actually why they made perfect sense in BFH

[shy slate]

Its not?

[vagrant pebble]

Modern examples are G3, AK308, AR10, CZ Bren 2, FN FAL, SCAR H, HK417, ACE 52

Literally weapons already in BF Labs

[shy slate]

Its what many use to refer to 6.5 or 7.62 chambered weapons

[dull pier]

the sig spear

[vagrant pebble]

7.62

[vagrant pebble]

Yep, XM7 is also a battle rifle classified as a carbine

[shy slate]

Bro using wikipedia and copy/paste doesnt help much tho lmao

[tropic vine]

Indeed, that's why it's barely used in BF

[vagrant pebble]

They are copying COD already, COD has battle rifles, which they should copy

[shy slate]

Its not a class of weapon but it is a common term with firearms users

[vagrant pebble]

Carbines are a loose term too, they are just short barreled ARs

[dull pier]

homie what even is this argument

[shy slate]

Carbines are a class of weapons tho

[tropic vine]

outside of the military

[vagrant pebble]

MTAR is an AR but XM7 is a carbine in BF Labs

What's the logic behind that?

MTAR is a carbine and XM7 is a BR in reality

[tropic vine]

Barrel length is the justification iirc

[vagrant pebble]

MTAR has shorter barrel due to bullpup design

[tropic vine]

WHAT???????

[shy slate]

Its barrel length and weight.

[tropic vine]

Don't talk to me about firearms ever again 😭✋️

[vagrant pebble]

This shortens the firearm's overall length without sacrificing barrel length. As a result, the Tavor provides carbine overall length, yet can achieve rifle muzzle velocities if equipped with a rifle-length barrel.

Carbine overall length

My bad, I mean overall length not barrel

[shy slate]

Bro, stop using google as a way to seem knowledgeable on firearms

[vagrant pebble]

Distinctions are pretty arbitrary between ARs, Carbines and BRs anyways

[tropic vine]

I'm not even debating anymore

[dull pier]

ok homie

[vagrant pebble]

BRs shouldn't exist even when the game has several BR type weapons seperated into ARs and LMGs and carbines 🤣

[gentle star]

Guns go pew pew that's all that matters

[shy slate]

Carbines arent really arbitrary, they need to meet a certain spec for a certain position the user has. AFAIK, the reason the exist is to allow ease transport/use in/around vehicles/with vehicle units.

[mild rock]

My point of reference for battle rifle is just big round

[dull pier]

and also just overall it made SMGs irrelevant

[mild rock]

In real life an SMG is more for civil shit.

[shy slate]

Pretty much, at least for military use it seems

[dull pier]

not even rlly, police ususally use AR-15 carbines now

[mild rock]

I don't mean to be morbid but not everyone has body armour.

[shy slate]

Ive only shot like...11 different firearms tho. So im far from an expert

[dull pier]

im pretty sure some country used Hk51s for the police once

which is a short G3 which is a battle rifle

[shy slate]

Is that the thing that looks like an MP5?

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah

[mild rock]

The mp5 is literally a downsized g3.

[vagrant pebble]

MP5 with AR rounds

[dull pier]

yes

its just a short G3

[shy slate]

What is it chambered in?

[mild rock]

9mm

Super common round.

[vagrant pebble]

HK51 uses AR 5.56 afaik

[shy slate]

Damn, thats pretty cool.

[dull pier]

7.62x61

[vagrant pebble]

My bad lol

[mild rock]

Hk33.

[shy slate]

lol no way. Thats a hilarious round for a weapon so small. I wonder if there are videos of it shooting

[dull pier]

a fair few

its controllable

[shy slate]

Oh nice, Forgotten weapons has it

[mild rock]

I would love to see support get battle rifles again.

[humble root]

HK51 -> 7.62x51mm
HK53 -> 5.56x45mm

HK53 was in BF3 in one of the DLCs, iirc, close quarters

[dull pier]

51 was in hardline apparently

[mild rock]

It was.

[dull pier]

never got to play MP

OCE turbo dead

like dead as fuck

[humble root]

haven't played hardline after the beta

[gentle star]

Hardline is turbo dead everywhere

[mild rock]

I played on NA for a while because OCE was dead on Xbox.

[dull pier]

more old games need clients like cod

[mild rock]

That's how I played it for the remainder of its life time.

[dull pier]

cod needs more clients too

[gentle star]

Fairly sure there's a client for every cod besides the newest ones and like cod 2 and 3

[dull pier]

not rlly

[vagrant pebble]

I saw an interesting thing about class locked or unlocked weapons

2042 had 20 weapons at launch and every season added 2 or 3 weapons

If you class lock those weapons we will probably get 4 weapons per season at the least

[gentle star]

Lol

[vagrant pebble]

Instead of one sniper and one AR per season we will get 1 AR, 1 SMG, 1 LMG and 1 Sniper

[gentle star]

You really think they would drip feed us more stuff?

[vagrant pebble]

Yes

[gentle star]

My condolences

[vagrant pebble]

One class won't receive any new weapons per season if they add 3 weapons

Or 2 weapons then 2 classes won't receive any new weapons

2042 could afford to do that because every class could use any weapon

''People seem to forget that Battlefield 2042 isn’t even a mainstream game right now. But imagine if the next title, say Battlefield 6, actually becomes mainstream, with top streamers playing it and constantly hyping up the “meta” gun. You can bet that everyone will start running the exact same loadout. Wanting weapons to be class-locked isn’t just about stopping people from abusing meta picks. There are deeper reasons behind it. It’s about preserving class identity, encouraging different playstyles, and just the overall balance in the game.''

[shy slate]

This arguement works both ways tho

They just added the class identity part to justify their opinion, using an arguement that could just as well work for having unlocked weapons

[vagrant pebble]

Class identity is also a part of the equation

People don't use recon to use TUGS 90% of the time, they use it for sniper rifles

[shy slate]

Not when it comes to the next game being mainstream, or the concept of meta weapons. Which is this arguments basis

[light quarry]

i use it for tugs

[vagrant pebble]

You're a minority

[shy slate]

I use it for tugs and spawn beacon

[vagrant pebble]

You're a minority

[light quarry]

go us

[vagrant pebble]

I used recon in BFV for spawn beacons and pistol carbines too, I rarely see that setup

[shy slate]

Damn, I guess being a minority makes my opinion invalid

[vagrant pebble]

It means weapons are a bigger part of class system than you guys think

[shy slate]

So 3/3 in chat right now use it for spawn beacon, but somehow its minority. Mad stuff

[vagrant pebble]

I rarely see a recon player using class with anything but sniper rifle

[light quarry]

no tugs?

[shy slate]

Carbine and recon was incredibly common in BF4.

[vagrant pebble]

It wasn't common in BFV

[tropic vine]

Did you not play BFV during the live service? It was like half a year's wait or something to get a medic gun

[vagrant pebble]

Not really

[tropic vine]

they will never give 4 guns per season regardless of how classes are set up

[tropic vine]

it was BAD lol, Medic had to wait forever to get something early on. This is even with a bunch of guns in the files and with a few never getting added

[muted sandal]

SMGs also kinda sucked at that time

[vagrant pebble]

Seems to be the same issue with what they are dealing with Labs

ARs are OP, let's give ARs to everyone instead of balancing them 🤣

[muted sandal]

Expecting perfect balance out of a playtest is silly

[vagrant pebble]

They claimed to have balanced gunplay, movement and TTK in blogposts

[tropic vine]

they can do both. DICE has an obligation to balance things to the best of their ability regardless of if they are locked or not

[tropic vine]

some things in the stress build were already dealt with, including with animations

[vagrant pebble]

If 3 BTK, 700 RPM ARs are the ''balanced'' version then Labs did more harm than good for the game,they only invited ''hardcore'' players if they decided it's the best

[tropic vine]

🤦‍♂️ nobody said they were the balanced version

[muted sandal]

Also signature weapon leaks indicate different sprint speeds depending on weapons (Support not having sprint speed penalty for LMG) so I reckon SMG and Carbines will have additional mobility bonuses to sway people away from only using ARs

[humble root]

nodody said they shouldn't balance weapons and just give them as they are to anyone,

[shy slate]

I dont know why anyone here assumes anything seen in Labs is balanced or Final.

[tropic vine]

no it's definitely gonna launch with a grenade launcher that does 33 damage to vehicles that historical does 5 damage tops

[muted sandal]

[humble root]

they also definitely not gonna change that you can equip MBT LAW + RPG and basically insta kill LAVs...

[vagrant pebble]

They didn't said it's final, they said we found a nice spot

[shy slate]

Who is they?

[vagrant pebble]

DICE

[shy slate]

You are literally making this up

[vagrant pebble]

Literally in BF Labs blogs

[tropic vine]

indeed, what we are seeing now is exactly how classes will be at launch

[shy slate]

Quote it

[wind oyster]

Having classes is a little too much like cod

[vagrant pebble]

he players in these sessions have helped us successfully validate the following areas:

Establishing a solid foundation for smooth, low-latency and high-performance gunplay.,
Finding the right balance in movement speed for functionality such as crouch sprint, combat rolling, and vaulting as part of our combat pacing initiatives.,
Using destruction to create fun and lasting tactical gameplay across rounds and experiences.

[tropic vine]

they have countless different builds. The stress test was never a real "labs" build, and the stress test was obviously not one of the most recent builds. You can see that for yourself solely based on outdated animations

[vagrant pebble]

Right balance in combat pacing: 3 BTK ARs, 5-6 BTK DMRs

[muted sandal]

ok so netcode and movement speed?

[shy slate]

Where does this say anything is final?

[vagrant pebble]

I'm talking to people who played the last test this friday

They are saying the same thing

[muted sandal]

That post doesn't say anything about gunplay balance my dude

[humble root]

where does it say, that the weapon balancing is final???

[tropic vine]

Just because they figured something out does not mean it has been implemented in a test build.

[humble root]

weapon balance will change, even after the game launched....

[tropic vine]

nope, DMRs will have 1 shot headshot abilities forever. Clearly this means unlocked guns bad

[vagrant pebble]

I heard the opposite 😂

Most DMRs are 5-6 BTK appearently

ARs are 3 BTK

[tropic vine]

People really should enter the Olympics with the impressive leaps they take

[tropic vine]

you forgor💀 about ammo options

[vagrant pebble]

Point is that they unlocked these weapons based on what they saw on Labs

[shy slate]

they never had anything other than unlocked weapons. So how does this logic work

[tropic vine]

Unlocked guns were decided based on data from previous games lol

[vagrant pebble]

Why did I heard the opposite then?

[shy slate]

the person you spoke to lied

Or like you, likes to jump to conclusions

[humble root]

apparently, in the first 2 or 3 tests, the weapons were class locked. at least according to someone who is in since the beginning.
everyone was playing assault, so they unlocked weapons for all classes and suddenly people played more different classes

[tropic vine]

I heard labs was locked to invites a while back, and the reveal will be late july

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, that's why carbines exists instead of being in ARs 😂

[tropic vine]

it would look weird for most categories to have like 6 guns and ARs to have like 18 or so

[vagrant pebble]

No one will use anything but ARs anyways

So combine them into one category

[humble root]

so lock them to assault, so no other class gets played

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, like we saw in BFV example which proved you wrong

[tropic vine]

Hey I will use the shotgun based off the AK assault rifle platform too

And probably the LMGs based on the M4/AK AR platforms

[vagrant pebble]

BFV: 30-30-20-20, 2042: 20-60-10-10 😂

[shy slate]

Youre the one who said everyone will use ARs tho?

Why are you arguing with yourself

[vagrant pebble]

Everyone in 2042 uses ARs

Or SMGs

[shy slate]

No they dont

[vagrant pebble]

Half the team plays as M5A3 Boris

[tropic vine]

Bro really hates posting the real numbers, so he has to generalize the BFV numbers to make them look better. Extremely common locked guns enjoyer tactic

[humble root]

source: i made it the f**k up

[tropic vine]

M5A3 sux tho

[shy slate]

I even posted a video for you to watch that disproves this statement., Not that you watched it...or attempted to reproduce as I did (And saw essentially the same result)

[vagrant pebble]

Nah, Gyro posted that to me

He claimed 22 engineers per team was balanced 😂

BFV sux though, even split bad

2042 is definitely way to go with 20 boris per team

[vagrant pebble]

Best AR tbh

[shy slate]

BFV, the smash hit, which definitely wasnt mocked as a commercial failure by EA

[vagrant pebble]

Has more players than 2042

[muted sandal]

Boris just means they're newbs, and they're often paired with an LMG

[shy slate]

Bro, 2042 is trash tho. Whats your point. slightly better than trash is peak?

[vagrant pebble]

They are terrible assault and terrible engineers at the same time

[vagrant pebble]

BFV has peak class balance as can be seen with evenly split players

[muted sandal]

Support sucks in BFV

[tropic vine]

Ok? They'd be a terrible Support and terrible Recon too.

[shy slate]

So peak, players hated it at launch, and abandoned it

[vagrant pebble]

They'de be an okay assault

[tropic vine]

14 percent pick rate for Support lol

[vagrant pebble]

14% is closer to 20% than 60% is to 30%

[tropic vine]

Since you like fairy tales so much you should write a book

[humble root]

[vagrant pebble]

Assault has more survivability simply because of their kit

Extra 20 hp for free

[tropic vine]

14% is a lot closer to 100% than 3000% is to 25% percent

[vagrant pebble]

Gyro claimed 2042 is balanced when he showed me 22 engineers(over 50% pick rate), but 14% support pick rate instead of 20%??? Unbalanced trash system appearently 😂

[muted sandal]

That's just another Tuesday on Golmund Railway, or any other big vehicle map tbh

[vagrant pebble]

Map was Reclaimed

[muted sandal]

top kek

[shy slate]

Who is gyro and what are these numbers based on?

[humble root]

in the screenshot i showed you, the engineer sits at 38% of the team.
which is closer to the BFV assault at 36% than to your claimed "60%"

[mild rock]

M5a3 is literally the starter AR.

It's not the best but it's super consistent.

[shy slate]

Wow, its not like them to mis-represent numbers and use that to jump to conclusions /s

[humble root]

support is at 25% btw.
which you consider "perfect"

[vagrant pebble]

So, 5 assault, 12 engineer, 8 support, 4 recon is balanced?

[shy slate]

Depends on game state

[muted sandal]

So far we've concluded that BF6 will have 60% Engineers, 60% Assaults and 60% Supports making up every team if we unlock weapons. ☕ 😐

[humble root]

engineer & support are the classes which contribute the most to teamplay
or are they not?

[shy slate]

and regardless, these numbers mean nothing. Too small a snapshot. You'd need to get snapshots of multiples times per round, and ideally in dozens of games

[vagrant pebble]

BFV overall had 30-30-20-20 split in classes, with hard class locked weapons. But people insist support is trash appearently 😂

[tropic vine]

Lowkey unlocking guns could allow DICE to justify having a max amountof classes at any given time. There should be a high ceiling, maybe 35%-40% max, but it would help with balance.

[vagrant pebble]

Unironically

Assault has 2 launchers already

[shy slate]

Wasnt it 12 tho, why are you making it 20?

[vagrant pebble]

14%

[shy slate]

"Im rounding up"

so a lie again

[mild rock]

I wonder why engineer is popular

[dusk ether]

Tanks are annoying so people want to blow em up

Also, big boom cool

[mild rock]

hehe romcket

[shy slate]

Reclaimed is also a very vehicle heavy map

Its small, and has lots of vehicles, with fast vehicle spawns

[mild rock]

Anti vehicle and team support, like healing and shit are consistently the most popular.

[tropic vine]

I like revive ppl

Make me happy

make them happy

win win

I do not like being stuck with guns I don't like, so no revives for you if I'm stuck with something annoying 🥱

[muted sandal]

Aimlets can also make themselves feel useful by roleplaying Desmond Doss (Hacksaw Ridge, 2016)

[mild rock]

Cat

But yeah

[tropic vine]

And now since ammo has been designated as more of a secondary role, they can give u ammo at the same time

[mild rock]

I'll be honest. While it doesn't affect me I would personally like to see people playing their roles more.

[shy slate]

"make themselves feel useful" is a pretty stupid thing to say...when a player effectively resing does more for a win than the actions of most other players

[mild rock]

Yeah I got confused by what was said.

Like what

[dusk ether]

Damn another good conversation and I need to head off

[muted sandal]

Makes sense. Those rounds are perfectly sized for plugging up those bullet holes.

[tropic vine]

I'm happy with unlocked guns because it allows me to pick what I want and still pick my fav role which has now been combined with my second fav role (Medic)

[vagrant pebble]

Class locked weapons improves that, sometimes I forget I'm playing as Falck so I don't revive people

[gentle star]

🤦‍♂️

[shy slate]

"I am bad at remembering things, so we need to lock weapons so I dont forget"

[tropic vine]

"im bad at paying attention, but it's DICE's fault"

[vagrant pebble]

It happens to everyone as no one revives anyone in 2042 appearently

[shy slate]

At least they are being honest tho

[muted sandal]

I mean if you struggle with shooting enemies, reviving and healing is an easier way to make yourself useful. A truly competent player can do both at once however.

[mild rock]

Just accept medic isn't your thing.

[tropic vine]

people in HLL can't even figure out what team they are on despite holding an MP40 in their hands

[mild rock]

I'm not a medic.

But other people are.

[vagrant pebble]

I can play as every class

[mild rock]

And so can I revive people.

[tropic vine]

i will be there for you (until i sense a flood of enemies, then i will run )

[vagrant pebble]

2042 makes me forget my class though

[mild rock]

That's on you.

[vagrant pebble]

I sometimes pull out a grapple hook when I want to use syringe pistol

Why is that I wonder?

Is it because every class has same weapons with no variety?

[mild rock]

Because you don't think about the character you play.

[shy slate]

Uses stim pistol to self heal every 15 seconds > forgets they are playing a support.

Yeah, sure bud. Its defo the games fault and not a you thing

[tropic vine]

that is nobody's fault but yourself, seriously no idea why that could possibly be DICE's fault

[mild rock]

I'm not a medic yet I can register when I'm playing as a medic.

[vagrant pebble]

They already have data on BF labs

[mild rock]

Like what dude

[vagrant pebble]

Only 10% of the people ever revived anyone

[muted sandal]

No it's a you problem, through and through.

[vagrant pebble]

Perfect class balance

Unlock everything

[mild rock]

No matter what you do, locked or unlocked the role will still be the same.

[vagrant pebble]

It would be even funnier if only 10% of support revived anyone

Which would prove why unlocked classes aren't a good thing

[tropic vine]

This is the level of leaps locked weapon defenders have to take to justify locking stuff I see this on the subreddit every day

[mild rock]

This is some kind of mental olympics

[vagrant pebble]

Whatever, we will see if game comes out like this anyways

[light quarry]

why would you want a 25% even split between the classes anyway? the team doesnt need as many snipers or support or even engineers, one support and sniper per 2-3 squads is enough to be effective, engineer kinda depends on how vehicle heavy the map is and how copetent your own driver and pilots are.

[mild rock]

Like what are you talking about, Not EVERYONE can be revived. People skip revives too.

[tropic vine]

Homie this is getting ridiculous lol

[vagrant pebble]

I want 30-30-20-20 balance

[shy slate]

Yet another strawman argument also.

[vagrant pebble]

Which would make most sense

[shy slate]

Numbers you made up BTW

[mild rock]

This doesn't make much sense.

[vagrant pebble]

BFV has that numbers

5% give or take

[mild rock]

That's a pretty large margin.

[tropic vine]

Why do you think you can keep lying your way into getting people to agree with you?

[vagrant pebble]

Not really when you consider other games

Only 11% used medic in BF1, 22% in BFV

[shy slate]

Each of those number is off by 6-8%...which is dumb to post when you have the actual numbers

14 and 20% is the same thing I guess tho

your logic

[vagrant pebble]

Support went down from 20ish % to 14%

Support isn't as important in BFV because you can't prone LMG across the map and you can't grenade spam

[shy slate]

you use a higher value when it supports your narrative, and a lower one when it suits.

[vagrant pebble]

Broken class gets balanced > Less people use it

Medic wasn't bad in BF1, people are just bad with semi autos

[muted sandal]

I want 90%-3.33%-3.33%-3.33% (repeating, ofc) balance or else.

[vagrant pebble]

Console players with no trigger fingers is the reason why it's like that imo

[shy slate]

People just want to use the best weapons...when semi-autos werent that...they werent used

[mild rock]

You will NEVER get consistent class roles across the board no matter what.

Due to variance of maps what is needed.

What are you asking for, 30% engineers on a tank centric map when more should be playing the role?

[vagrant pebble]

Semi autos bad... When they are effective at all ranges...

[mild rock]

Be realistic.

[vagrant pebble]

Assault weapons were useless past 15 meters... therefore good

[shy slate]

Not bad, more difficult to use.

You are mis-representing what I am saying

No suprise when you do this with everything you say

[vagrant pebble]

I want BFV balance

30-30-20-20 across all maps, all modes

2042 balance isn't hat

[muted sandal]

AT in BFV was Assault FYI

[shy slate]

Why do you keep using these bad numbers, when you have the actual number?

[vagrant pebble]

BFV is closer to these numbers than any other BF that's why???

[shy slate]

Are you thick?

[tropic vine]

Honestly I see why DICE immediately hardened up to the ""community"" after BF1. I don't think it was entirely justified at first, but since most of the industry has done the same it was probably the correct move

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah

We should get 2042: 2 instead 😂

Massive hit game

They should do their own thing

[muted sandal]

Brainlet take tbh

[shy slate]

Unlocked weapons has nothing to do with the failure of BF 2042 tho

[vagrant pebble]

2042 is DICE not listening to their community

At least not launch 2042

[muted sandal]

BF6 is different tho

Only taking the good parts from each game

[tropic vine]

We obviously aren't getting 2042 2, because they listened to data this time

[vagrant pebble]

Yeah, pretty sure everyone wanted to get rid of classes since BF2

[muted sandal]

I mean they literally dumped half the classes after BF2...

Or merged, rather.

[vagrant pebble]

Pretty sure everyone hated classes in BC2, BF3, BF4

[mild rock]

You will NEVER get anything that consistent.

Like again

[muted sandal]

Classes are still present

[vagrant pebble]

@mild rock

[mild rock]

Vehicle centric map guys, I wonder who will play engineer the most?

Long range map, I wonder what class is more likely to be used

[shy slate]

The actual numbers were posted earlier. They rounded them up or down by 6-8% to force a narrative that class distribution in V is perfect.

[tropic vine]

You got classes in BF6. Classes aren't guns. Guns kill, regardless of class.

[vagrant pebble]

They were one and the same in 1942

[tropic vine]

oh so guns revived and destroyed tanks in 1942? That's a cool fun fact

[muted sandal]

Every vehicle map in BF4: 50%+ Engineers.
Amount of Engineers using their class locked weapons on those maps: 20% at most.

[mild rock]

I Like again what's the argument, People get to play the game that they want and now it's on about people doing team work?

[vagrant pebble]

Classes were guns because every class had 1 weapon

[mild rock]

Like dude

Blueberries are fucking useless

Why are you relying on them to do something?

[humble root]

nah let's bring back 1942 classes.
Anti-Tank class gets only a pistol

[shy slate]

And here comes yet another strawman arguement

[mild rock]

You yourself don't even know what class you're using you've literally admitted it

You click the buttons

[vagrant pebble]

That's 2042 experience

[mild rock]

How the hell could you NOT know you were playing medic.

[shy slate]

I bet they wish they never admitted that

[mild rock]

You clicked the buttons.

[vagrant pebble]

Hard to remember my class when every class can use M5A3

[mild rock]

That's all you did.

[shy slate]

Made them look so stupid

[tropic vine]

I can perform my role as Medic regardless of weapon class, which is why they have had access to nearly everything over the history of the franchise before 2042

[mild rock]

I dunno about you but when I pick the character that I want I will assume the playstyle to what's needed.

I click Irish I set up APS, I pick Angel i realise I picked the wrong medic so I play as Falck.

[muted sandal]

Maybe if you ask nicely DICE will add one of those dingly bits on your gun that changes depending on which class you choose?

[vagrant pebble]

2042 is full of these players obviously, Boris players who forgets to shoot their rockets or Caspers running around with ARs

[mild rock]

(Ironically Angel synergises like crazy with engineers)

[vagrant pebble]

What I described is average 2042 experience

[mild rock]

Engineers in previous games and assaults from bf5 would forget they have rockets anyways!

[muted sandal]

Nothing average about forgetting what class you play mate...

[shy slate]

Or you...who picks falck and forgets they can revive or resupply apparently. I cant believe you admitted to being a low IQ player you often make fun of

[vagrant pebble]

That's not just me, that's other people too

[mild rock]

I know you have a bit of a brain and just concede on the fuck up.

There could be ways to make it obvious to the role they are.

And they are doing it

uhh

When you spawn there's a tooltip explaining what your class does.

[tropic vine]

Takes one to know one i guess. I think a giant light up sign always present in your UI (cannot be removed) that says YOU ARE A MEDIC would help you far more than anything. If the game determines you cannot read, then they will shout it at you as well (cannot be turned off)

[mild rock]

There are subtitles for when people need ammo, health, or a revive.

[muted sandal]

I guess early onset Alzoomeirs patients need a flashing icon on their screens to remind them what class they're playing if they ever picked a Carbine in BF4

[shy slate]

This person apparently: "WTF are all these revive icons? why are people asking me for ammo"

[vagrant pebble]

🥱

[mild rock]

There should be general measures to help people understand their role.

[vagrant pebble]

You guys are fixated on one example I gave when literally entire 2042 history is full of examples I posted

[shy slate]

No, we are laughing at the fact that you are the problem you seem to be trying to fix

[mild rock]

Because on my end general player behaviour has been pretty consistent since I started playing 11 years ago.

I like to think I caught on pretty quickly to drop boxes on teammates feet.

[tropic vine]

I picked a Carbine as Engineer in BF4 and kept trying to revive people with my RPG. Took me 10 hours of playtime to realize I was supposed to be Recon with a Carbine. Not sure how to revive with the lil revive balls that you toss, but I will figure it out

[humble root]

search in the BF2042 subreddit for "revive record"
i'd argue we've never seen so many revives in any BF as in 2042. people literally have round with 100+ revives

[mild rock]

Sometimes that's the most you can do.

[vagrant pebble]

Look at what I replied to on #screenshots-and-clips