#community-update-classes

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jagged talon
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I think the issue is that they dont know what they are anymore after so long of doing design that didnt work

sacred wave
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finals is the best nowadays

gray nimbus
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Yeah they shouldn’t compete with cod. They should look to earlier battlefield games and add more cool updated vehicles, more new weapons and make the graphics modern . New maps , new bombs , missiles. Add navy lots of cool shit

median vault
sacred wave
jagged talon
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they need to bring back the classic battlefield moments where I can fight pick a dogfight in the air then eject onto a tower to destory some snipers before jumping and parachuting to the streets to take the objective

boreal harbor
jagged talon
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Make battlefield games like cod?

boreal harbor
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How is this game like cod?

pastel mango
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I played it, and the gunplay was actually pretty good. Some moments of weird bullet spread, but for the most part, really good and fun. Although snipers are a bit weak.

sacred wave
boreal harbor
sacred wave
gray nimbus
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It’s not negotiable

pastel mango
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Yeah, I prefer weapon locks, but from what I experienced, all the weapons are pretty even. You can also do parkour on the side of buildings, although it’s tricky, although I don’t think it’s meant to be intentional. Also, the classes are a mess. I hate assault. It was better with the BF3/BF4 class system. Lock weapons or not.

gray nimbus
pastel mango
gray nimbus
gentle wedge
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It's not the big of a deal you think it is

gray nimbus
pastel mango
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Brooo, that’s exactly what I said. Someone was saying that assault was good, and I told them “it was for people with short attention spans and stat padding.” When a battlefield is meant to be a team game that utilizes teamwork.

boreal harbor
gray nimbus
pastel mango
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Although I would say you should definitely try it if your given a chance like a open beta or something

gray nimbus
boreal harbor
pastel mango
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The class is selfish

boreal harbor
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Ya as it should be

pastel mango
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Why should it

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It ruins teamwork

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Medic, engineer, support, recon is best system

boreal harbor
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For scrubs that don’t understand a class designed around fragging is very beneficial for team comp

pastel mango
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Not assault, engineer, support/medic, recon

boreal harbor
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It’s the traditional “dps” rpg class

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Instrumental to team comps

pastel mango
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Dude, if a player can’t understand that medics heal, engineers blow shit up, support supplies, and recon spots, they are mentally handicapped.

boreal harbor
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Get back on the short bus my guy, they dropped you off a couple of stops early

pastel mango
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Dude I’m not trying to fight

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Do you disagree with what I said?

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And if so why did you because I don’t see anything wrong with it

gray nimbus
pastel mango
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All players are given choices between 4 classes depending on how they want to help their team. If they can’t understand basic fundamentals, then they need to get off the game and go back to school.

gray nimbus
pastel mango
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I’m saying that the assault, engineer, support/medic and recon class system sucks

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Compared to bf3 and bf4 class system

gray nimbus
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Are there even classes in this new game? Looks like justice league or some shit

pastel mango
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And then the guy told me the assault class is good because it’s for scrubs that don’t understand the class system.

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If people didn’t understand the shit show of classes that was 2042 sure I understand but the old Battlefields had a system that was simple and he is saying people can understand that

pastel mango
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So support is now also medic

gray nimbus
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I heard there were superpowers or something like out of marvel

pastel mango
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No

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It’s battlefield 3/4 for the most part

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Except

median vault
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hes trying to rage bait i think

pastel mango
median vault
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no

pastel mango
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Ohhh yeah I get you

median vault
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the other guy

pastel mango
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I just hate assault it’s a very selfish class I bet provides no benefit to the team

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And people try to rationalize it by saying “medics were also selfish”

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But all they’re doing backing up what I’m saying and then stating that there will be two selfish classes now

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Which fucks up everything even more

gray nimbus
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Yeah they should have a wolfenstien class where you can play as
B.J. Blazkowicz and you can duel wield ar 15s that would be so much better than locked classes

pastel mango
gray nimbus
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Maybe even a
B.J. Blazkowicz skin DICE should hire me

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Fuck it let’s add doom guy in there too and you can get a bfg weapon unlock if you buy enough in game currency

pastel mango
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Essentially they are using 2042 class system

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Instead of bf3/4

median vault
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but when used as a primary class system and not a thrown in last minute it didnt feel too bad

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bc 2042 didnt get "classes" until way after launch

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plus what everyone needs to remember is it a playtest so everything is subject to change

pastel mango
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Yeah well for me I’m hoping they will go back to bf4 class system

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Plus the community is pissed

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Yk since hearing about this Change

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So it’s quite possible

gray nimbus
pastel mango
mild rock
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To me i will be maining assault so it doesnt matter but the issue is that it will funnel people to a class to play with a particular weapon instead of focusing on a role.

I understand the contention but god damn.

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This isn't 2042 where people will be forced to run assault rifles all the time.

pastel mango
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I’m talking about classes

mild rock
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My larger point was on it would be nice to see people play medic and do that role more than just constantly contend with the weapons its on.

pastel mango
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Yk medic support recon those type of things

mild rock
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Three gadgets is absolutely insane.

pastel mango
mild rock
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And yeah I agree. Its why I am more of a fan of an open weapon system as it would mean classes could do a lot more and focus on that.

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I would love more medics and recons than just assaults.

pastel mango
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Including smoke, anti-tank, grenades

gray nimbus
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I would love an actual battlefield game

pastel mango
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With three shots each

mild rock
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The third slot being a forced gadget slot.

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Meaning they are forced to play with a role.

pastel mango
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Also you say you like assault but the adrenaline injector or whatever the fuck it is feels useless

mild rock
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Like if you want two gadgets I think that's fine in itself but forcing a third immovable gadget works too as it compounds the idea of the class.

pastel mango
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Compared to the old medic class

mild rock
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Oh the heal?

gray nimbus
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They should just add a battle royal mode and leave the game the way it’s supposed to be for other game modes

mild rock
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Its not 2042 broken.

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Well the med pen in 2042 wasn't broken in my view but its not as crazy.

pastel mango
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I think it’s practically useless

mild rock
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No no i was rambling to myself. Forcing regen is nice.

pastel mango
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It does the same thing medic does but worse

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No?

mild rock
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Assault is more focused on killing than medic and its a way to balance it.

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Wait is it a stim shot that makes you faster?

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I don't look at leaks.

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I have heard about it and that its regen is nowhere near as powerful as 2042s.

pastel mango
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I didn’t feel literally anything while using it

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It felt fucking pointless

median vault
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got a bad batch

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gotta up the dose

pastel mango
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Like it’s just a waste of a class

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That would better if it was medic

mild rock
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Assault with the killing gadgets for me is just more annoying cause some asshole can just pop you with their GL.

carmine hornet
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I just hate heal+ammo on same class

pastel mango
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Because battlefield is a team game and making a class for the intent of just stat padding is fucking dumb

pastel mango
charred crown
mild rock
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The packs dont look mega busted ironically.

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The health ammo packs

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Like again this isn't 2042 at least.

pastel mango
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Like to me it feels like the class is less important or something like that

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It just doesn’t hit the same to me

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As having a medic or two, support and engineer in a squad

carmine hornet
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Would it be so bad to have separate medic and support? Fifth class. And then maybe we could have 5 person squads...👉👈

mild rock
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You think assault should serve some greater purpose than just infantry killing basically. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from.

pastel mango
median vault
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5 people in a squad are you crazy thats never been done before

mild rock
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Its why im a big fan of bf5 assault cause that functioned as AT.

median vault
pastel mango
carmine hornet
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Totally never ever before yup always been just 4 classes yup why bother changing 😁

median vault
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its preictally impossible to add idk why you'd even think about that

pastel mango
mild rock
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Honestly I'd be up for a BFH system instead.

pastel mango
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Plus it couldn’t be 64 players per lobbies with teams of 5

mild rock
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Battle rifles was the greatest thing that had ever happened to support.

pastel mango
median vault
mild rock
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Keep in mind im not talking about weapon balance wise.

carmine hornet
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I have no idea if it would work today, to have more classes. Players aren't dumb and can count to 5. But it might affect team play, balance, flow... something we can't expect.

mild rock
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It was mostly the same except support had battle rifles instead of lmgs.

pastel mango
mild rock
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I didn't like the hard locked nature of its classes but it had a lot of all kit weapons.

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So it kinda balanced out.

rare magnet
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mild rock
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Fun fact. We got an MP5 and MP5SD there.

median vault
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ah yes my baby the HCAR

carmine hornet
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There's always people in smaller than 4 person squads, I don't see squad size - team size as a problem

mild rock
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I loved my scar H.

pastel mango
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Although I normally main medic

median vault
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I hope battle rifles are back

pastel mango
median vault
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G3A3

pastel mango
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5 players per team would mean one team would only have two

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So they would need to raise overall player count for matches

mild rock
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I loved bf5 but I would love a game built from the ground up with all kit weapons.

pastel mango
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And idk if they would want to do that

mild rock
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I dont count 2042 because fuck that game.

carmine hornet
mild rock
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That's the problem

median vault
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just fuck those guys then?

pastel mango
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It would create imbalance

carmine hornet
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Just cut the number to 30 vs. 30, done. And you would still have smaller than full squads in almost every round, like now

pastel mango
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Ok but then it goes from 8 squads of 4 to 6 squads of 5

carmine hornet
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I don't remember half the matches where every squad is full 4 people

pastel mango
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And they probably won’t take that risk of messing up a already good player count

carmine hornet
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It could be tested, more people in squad could be better for team play, or worse you can't tell.

pastel mango
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If they were to make this change, they may even have to create smaller maps due to fewer squads being separated across the map

carmine hornet
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It's worked in the past earlier games, but this is all speculation without facts or test

pastel mango
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When they already have a system that works and is in place with the old games

carmine hornet
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Players are dumb anyway and run without their squad from flag to flag IDK

pastel mango
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Yeah, that’s the problem. It’s all speculation. You can’t really test it without people being upset.

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Because we all know the battlefield community bitches about everything

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Including me when it comes to 2042

carmine hornet
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Not even fourth of the thousands of hours I've played I've had actual squad play, aside spawning on said squad. Ptfo is very elusive

pastel mango
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Nah I’ve definitely had good squad play with mics or without

carmine hornet
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2042 is more call of duty waiting area than a Battlefield game, since latest cod is crap

pastel mango
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Yeah 2042 is shit to me

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Although I don’t really like futuristic games that much

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Unless don’t right which battlefield 2042 didn’t do

carmine hornet
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I would like more squad play but no one used mics, no one runs with their squad, if they have their mic on they want to know your OF account not tactics in the game

pastel mango
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I mean, I understand that some people are just fucking weird, but Battlefield 2042 had a shit class system that didn’t really allow good team play.

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But when playing older titles team play is not fantastic, but a whole lot better than the current title and I think the class system has a large impact on that

carmine hornet
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It was fun for awhile with Sundance and rocket launcher. But that's just those moments, longer term it was not good.

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There's been various amounts of team play in previous titles but it's getting more random with new players on aderol or something. Platoons and community been killed effectively means no real team matches anymore

pastel mango
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I think it’s because all the old core players of Battlefield who liked the team play have quit, and Call of Duty players who have short attention spans and are a bit on the special side are kind of ruining it.

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Like when Battlefield Four came out, I was six or seven playing with my dad, my uncles, my grandpa, and even without them, the team place still felt fun, but I just haven’t felt that in the new game. There’s no team play. It’s boring. It’s dumb. It’s unrealistic. It’s not a Battlefield game. It’s more of a Call of Duty.

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And I think it’s cause 2042 destroyed that like old battlefield is classified as a arcade shooter with teamwork and tactical play

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And 2042 with the short attention span Call of Duty root and it fucked everything up

mild rock
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I would agree on super recent cods but coming from an older gen of cod players battlefield has always played the same.

carmine hornet
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In the end Dice wants more players not just the few specific Battlefield players. One solution would be two versions in separate modes, but that might be confusing to have similar looking game with all different speed and TTK. If the game is good they could have two separate games, over for speed freaks and slightly slower for ptfo

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Current BF is a bit like older CoD maybe.

mild rock
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I do think as a result of the players coming over to battlefield from cod they want something that's not just vehicle map over vehicle map which bf4 had.

mild rock
carmine hornet
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Close quarters dlc was fun ngl

mild rock
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I was 13 when black ops 2 came out and I loved it.

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I try bf3 out and it gave me something that wasn't ghosts or adv warfare lol

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Black ops 3 was kinda nice though

carmine hornet
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It would be a welcome relief after a few vehicle dominated losses to have no vehicles

vagrant pebble
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No I mean BF2 BF2

vagrant pebble
dusk ether
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But gunsmithing is one cod feature you are allowed to have

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Everything else that feels like cod? BANNED

vagrant pebble
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I also heard vehicles feels like Delta Force or Ground War vehicles, very barebones specializations and floaty feel

vagrant pebble
dusk ether
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I don't really care for weapon customisation at all really

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i'll always just pick one loadout that works to the gun's strengths and never budge from it

vagrant pebble
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That's what I'm going to do too, but even in pre alpha people already broke the game balance

dusk ether
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Gimme bF1 customisation just to annoy the gun nuts and make me happy

vagrant pebble
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Lol keanu

amber bear
dusk ether
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I haven't even played ground war

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so fortunately I won't get bogged down by such comparisons

obsidian scroll
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If dice wants to make a good battlefield, they'll make battlefield and not non-battlefield

dusk ether
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Good thing that’s what they are doing

solid wadi
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funnily enough, I DO have memories of watching my uncle play bf2 and 2142 at the ages of 8 and 9 respectively

obsidian scroll
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I just want more battlefield elements. Not non-battlefield elements. I want battlefield elements that feel like battlefield and not like non-battlefield. I want the feeling to be unique to me but also universal to everyone. You know? If they do that very simple, well described thing, everyone will be happy!

smoky wedge
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Saying battlefield has always played like CoD is incredible spin. Of course they share features by virtue of being fps games but its not like they are the only fps games that based around military themes and let you edit guns... there has always been a distinction specifically in pace and feel. Obviously having much bigger maps and vehicles changes the nature of how infantry plays and is balanced as well. Battlefield has always tried to have an emphasis on team play that doesn't exist at all in CoD. Point being its a misnomer to say "they share basic fps features so they've always played exactly the same"..

vagrant pebble
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See you guys in 5-6 months 🥶

gentle star
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Nah

rustic seal
raven galleon
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Delta force is uncomparable slop

obsidian scroll
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"I heard" so you haven't played it for yourself.

vagrant pebble
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No they will never invite me 😂

sharp sparrow
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anyone know how to solve this: an undefined error occurred //0:13C:- 1356165584?

quaint dune
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but its not a replacement for battlefield

quaint dune
raven galleon
quaint dune
raven galleon
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How? Vehicles are cheesy and unfun, maps, most of them are terrible and performance is just terrible

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Oh and galore of attachment where you'll eventually end up using only select few, illusion of choice

quaint dune
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because it gave a battlefield type experience when 2042 was failing to do so

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thats why?

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the main reason the game gained so much popularity at release was cos it offered the battlefield experience when 2042 wasnt

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yes its not as good as a good battlefield

raven galleon
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Played 250hrs of DF Warfare and then hopped onto 2042 and the latter just felt generally better

quaint dune
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but it did the job well enough despite the issues it has as a game

quaint dune
gentle star
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Even though DF is literally just a worse 2042

vagrant pebble
quaint dune
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when i was playing DF it felt more like battlefield than 2042 did

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DF didnt feel amazing but it felt more like battlefield to me at least

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idk

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it just filled that void where battlefield usually is for me

raven galleon
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Also the absolute lack of new content

patent cosmos
obsidian scroll
quaint dune
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xdd

raven galleon
wispy carbon
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where community update

scenic gazelle
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i need the game

cyan sky
mighty zealot
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So it’s wouldn’t be hard to track you down

raven galleon
gray nimbus
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Anyone notice dice hasn’t posted on twitter in a week?

rigid scaffold
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Wanted to share my thoughts regarding Class System Part One post

Training: Our philosophy with Training is to offer a series of traits that can be unlocked during play to enhance your ability to perform your role. As you engage more in a match, you'll gradually earn flat-stat bonuses and more to support the effectiveness of your role further.
This one is a super cool feature. Reminds me of what have been in BF4 with squad progression that allowed, for instance, assault classes to have 1 more M320 grenade. I think it is a cool thing that will promote class objectives more.

Recon class, if you select a weapon from the Sniper Rifle category, you will benefit from increased breath-holding duration
This one I think is a bad idea in certain cases. I've been playing BF4, 1, 2042 and in all those games I saw the same problem: too many snipers in Rush. And it was especially frustrating when playing for attackers side. I see that sniping in this mode is super inefficient (unless you are quick scope genius that plays close-mid-range) and thus in this specific sitution it is better to give a boost on a different weapon. I see that the most efficient Recon in Rush is the one that is capable of flanking and pushing the attack by placing beacons close or behind enemy lines. And for this case it would make more sense to use SMG IMHO.

Default Weapon Packages: The default weapon package is a pre-set combination of attachments and visual customization for each class to be combat ready, with the option for further progression and personalization.
Is that a "saveable" attachment loadouts for weapons?

wispy carbon
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Longer breath hold is useless and yeah I think that just mean's they have some pre-set builds that can be further changed as you unlock stuff.

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All pretty underwhelming stuff imo

mighty zealot
white temple
quaint dune
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id assume the latter

white temple
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Same but both are valid imo

quaint dune
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agreed

wispy carbon
white temple
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Lol

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What does dna even mean

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Like its like a waiver isnt it

wispy carbon
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NDA = non disclosure agreement

white temple
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Oh

wispy carbon
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I think they are taking their time writing up some long convoluted tweet about why they are going to do what they want regardless of feedback

astral kelp
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something along the lines of “we hear your feedback, but we believe our commitment and vision for the future of the series means we have to adapt…..something something bring in a wider audience…”

dusk ether
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tbf some feedback people give i'd rather they ignore

boreal harbor
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the majority of feedback should be ignored

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most of it is just "why isn't this like BF4's version of xyz"

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without any context or thought

quaint dune
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youre clearly not reading it at all then are you

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xD

obsidian scroll
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I've played BF2142, BC1, BC2, BC3, BF4, BF1, BFV and BF2042. You're all wrong. I won't explain further 🙂

mighty zealot
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Dang, he got us

quaint dune
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pls

boreal harbor
quaint dune
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a good amount

boreal harbor
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a lot doesn't equate to a majority

quaint dune
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at least 95% of what i read has context behind it

obsidian scroll
boreal harbor
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and the majority is brainless, slop that argues against their own point with their bad logic

quaint dune
boreal harbor
quaint dune
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i know a lot of people dont think but i also know more do actually use some sort of logic

obsidian scroll
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And that's the problem with this community and making decisions lmao

quaint dune
obsidian scroll
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"Good" followed by "missed out"

It's too diverse of a crowd

quaint dune
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its not just the battlefield community

quaint dune
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XD

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since it wasnt on the list

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i jumped to a conclussion

obsidian scroll
quaint dune
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this guy

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he understands

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i said ages ago a new battlefield should take inspiration from 3 or 4

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i personally prefer 4

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but either 3 or 4 works perfectly for a modern year battlefield

obsidian scroll
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The main idea is take the BROAD ideas from the games we love but also let the devs make a new game. Why? Most of the community is chasing the high of being young and playing bf for the first time. That isn't coming back. We just want a functional game with some nostaligia.

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That's my opinion, though

quaint dune
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yh

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my vision after 2042 was taking the best elements from 3 and 4

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and mixing it with elements from bf1 and 5

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movement from 5

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atmosphere and feeling of 1

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those 4 games are the perfect blueprint

obsidian scroll
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The only good thing about 2042 was Portal and the attachment system

quaint dune
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ngl

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the only positive thing i liked about 2042

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was the feel of the guns

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like the actual 2042 guns

obsidian scroll
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But adding to that, I know alot of people want bf4 basically. I personally don't. I want a few elements of the older games but give us something new. Give us a new banger to look back on

quaint dune
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i didnt like how the portal guns felt

quaint dune
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i dont think itd be what would carry the franchise

boreal harbor
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because it wouldn't at all

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people would realize how rough a game with fps mechanics from 12 years ago would feel

quaint dune
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i mean tbf thats what a remaster would do

ruby adder
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Sorry for jumping in, but to me elements of BC2, BF3/4 and BF1/5, slower movement

quaint dune
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update and polish everything

obsidian scroll
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Don't give me bf4 or 3 of 1, give me bf6. The chaos we know but new graphics, physics, guns, elements.

Stray away from the fast twitch cod movements.

quaint dune
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it wouldnt feel outdated if done properly yk

quaint dune
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but the way to be successful in a franchise like battlefield is surely to take elements from the successes youve had

ruby adder
boreal harbor
quaint dune
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and take them and use it to improve

boreal harbor
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a REMAKE ala MW2019 is completely diff

quaint dune
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yh tbf i should say remake more

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cos thats more in line with what i mean

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but yh

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i think taking elements from previous heavy hitters is the way to go

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obviously not 1:1s

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but taking the ideas of what worked for the battlefield titles we know and love

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and putting them together with tweaks to smooth out rough edges

gray nimbus
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Keep the original battle field formula for all game modes except battleroyal they can copy war zone

quaint dune
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keep that shit out

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while firestorm was fun

ruby adder
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Does somebody remember moments in BC2 where you could hear only wind and silence around you and suddenly pure chaos, explosions, soldiers screaming, gunshots?
BF3 soldiers swearing and screaming, huge amount of weapons, vehicles, maps?

quaint dune
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i didnt play much of the BC games

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its why i never mention them as my first BF game was 3

boreal harbor
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quantity doesn't matter if the quality is bad

quaint dune
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we want quality of quantity

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2042 had quantity

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but 0 quality

boreal harbor
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BF4 was mostly just quantity. only a handful of good maps, that you rarely see. weapons list that is mostly just carbon copies of each other just to tick "x amount of weapons per dlc"

ruby adder
quaint dune
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bf4 had a lot of quantity but it did have quality too, we cant take that away

boreal harbor
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BF3 had the best balance of quantity and quality. BFV was getting there before they put it on life support

quaint dune
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with BFV the quality came too late

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Iwo Jima saved the game

ruby adder
quaint dune
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but it was a case of too little, too late

quaint dune
ruby adder
# quaint dune with BFV the quality came too late

I remember playing the breakthrough mode on Iwo Jima, man, it was actually like the usual multiplayer trailers for BF from DICE, had so much fun, hoping to see eastern front and so on but then we saw what we got, BF from Temu

quaint dune
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Iwo Jima was peak for BFV

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then they killed it with the following updates

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then cut off support

boreal harbor
ruby adder
# quaint dune 2042?

Yep, the movement already was something pissed me off, I feel BF3 movement is the best overall, a bit stiff but still balanced compared to CoD’s crack addicts. The overall feeling, operators, first BF I didn’t buy.

quaint dune
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i personally just liked what BF4 offered more

quaint dune
ruby adder
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i didnt play 2042 beta (luckily) but i watched a lot of videos of people that did like the actman and good lord

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2042 was a horror

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i didnt buy it till a year after it released

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i hated it but i played it out of love of the franchise

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pause its fucking 1am

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im going to bed

ruby adder
pastel mango
quaint dune
pastel mango
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aight gn peeps

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dont start any major discussion without me

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:)

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if you do ill be very upset

ruby adder
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Hahahah

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Hey is it true they are thinking of leaving weapons unlocked for all classes?

quaint dune
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careful

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this topic is very divided xd

boreal harbor
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yes, as they should

quaint dune
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before i go to bed, i think some gun types should be class exclusive

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like snipers

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or LMGs

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and before the whole debate starts again imma go sleep gn chaps

obsidian scroll
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😭

obsidian scroll
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Weapons should be locked for class specific weapons. Sniper - sniper rifle, support - lmg etc.

Give carbines and shotguns to everyone

quaint dune
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in this regard i prefer how bf3/4 did it

ruby adder
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Well my take on classes. I see BF as a team game, I switch usually to the class needed when it’s needed, I never choose the class because of the weapon it has.
If I’m medic you’ll see me running 100 meters to revive you
If I’m support I’m like your grandma with food but throwing ammo caches at everyone
If I’m engineer I repair and try to destroy vehicles
That’s how I play, as for weapons, I use them all, I choose the weapon I want to see on screen, not looking at any stats at all, I want to see and hear it, not choose it because it’s overpowered or wathever

boreal harbor
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and DICE has all the data to point that people choose the weapon, not the class

quaint dune
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this was my idea for it

wispy carbon
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I choose whatever class has the gun I want to use at the time, and put some (but not alot) of emphasis on helping my team with whatever utility that class has.

ruby adder
boreal harbor
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why?

quaint dune
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xD

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im more concerned with supports having snipers tbh

boreal harbor
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what about an eng having a sniper is a problem?

quaint dune
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the ability to infinitely refill ammo while sitting at the back of the map and just being a pain

boreal harbor
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again, 2042 has supports with snipers. they're just as useless as any other sniper

wispy carbon
quaint dune
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anything 2042 did

ruby adder
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When you see the enemy you know what it can have as equipment and approach it in a different way

quaint dune
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should be smth the new one doesnt do

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2042 was a fail in every way

boreal harbor
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no, there's plenty of good that can be picked out of 2042

quaint dune
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imo the only good in 2042 is the feel of the guns

boreal harbor
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the package as a whole was disappointing and a let down, plenty of good and fresh ideas from it

quaint dune
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aight im hanging out my ass im goin bed

wispy carbon
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enjoy the convo

ruby adder
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I played a lot of HLL and the class system is awesome, very restricted

ruby adder
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# boreal harbor and DICE has all the data to point that people choose the weapon, not the class

I have my favorite weapons too in BF games, but first I think what I want to do, hunt vehicles, revive teammates, snipe, suppress and support then I choose the weapon, but seems like I’m one of the few that thinks this way.
During the match when I see that there’s some vehicles harassing our team I switch to an engineer in order to take care of that, we need to push to capture and objectives switch to assault for revives and smoke screen and so forth.
I see many people may play just to get kills, but if you put effort in team play you’ll actually even get those kills if you’re aiming for just that, but feels like most players don’t get that.

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okay... and you can do that with this system too

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also, it's not just about getting kills, it's how you get the kills is what people are missing. Especially people who think this version of assault is the "selfish" class

ruby adder
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Why assault selfish? Maybe the best change since BFBC2 was giving assault med kits and defibrillators

boreal harbor
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because they're not selfish in this configuration.

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having a class that has access to area denial, anti infantry gadgets is extremeley beneficial to group play

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and with squad revives being a thing, they can still support the squad with revives

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To me class locked weapons are like rock, paper, scissors

ruby adder
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I'm talking about assault in it's current state, since BFV

trim halo
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Always thought both world wars games did class division well

wispy carbon
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not the BF4 version of assault that people are crying for

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How I see it:

  • assault (medic), assault rifles, grenade launchers for close and mid range combat
  • engineers, smgs and dmrs, good against vehicles but weaker against infantry
  • support, lmgs, ammo and suppression for assault class
  • snipers, long range weapons, infiltration and flanking
ruby adder
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I hate the nonexistence of the class Medic

boreal harbor
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that's just BF 3/4 class system and ignores the rest of BF's history

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bf 4 medic is disgusting

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useless

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rarely get revived when playing it

ruby adder
# mossy flare bf 4 medic is disgusting

Well me and my friend must be white flies, If I’m medic I’m going to revive you, otherwise why using that class?
We used to go 2 assaults with smoke grenades, 1 engineer and 1 support in BFBC2, if one medic dies you have back up, you can hassle vehicles and you have ammo for the squad. In BC2 you could easily win a match on console if you had a cohesive and team play focused squad of 4, in fact we in many matches we used to steamroll enemy teams by ourselves, good times.

boreal harbor
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assaults in bc2 didn't have healing and revives

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they had GLs and ammo boxes

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also, in any BF if you have a competent squad you can usually carry a match

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1 medic, 1 support, 1 anti tank, 1 sniper would be the classic model

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who needs a sniper on half these maps?

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recon using a diff weapon yes, bcuz spawn beacon and tugs has always been under appreciated

ruby adder
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# boreal harbor recon using a diff weapon yes, bcuz spawn beacon and tugs has always been under ...

Yeah maybe another difference is that we prefer and use to play hardcore, but seems like we are way way less than those who play on standard.
We don’t like minimaps, spotting with red dots and help from hud, we like to rely on map knowledge, seeing with our eyes and friendly fire, because at least you have to be a little more cautious before throwing grenades, C4 everywhere and spraying and praying.

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I like to jam HC sometimes though, it's always a nice change of pace

ruby adder
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I mean, if I want to run around without a bit of thought and shoot like a madman I play CoD, but what we liked about BF is the scale, the infantry + vehicles, destructible environments, audio (war tapes in BC2 was awesome, you could definitely guess the weapon, everyone had it’s distinctive sound) and hardcore mode, where you didn’t need to empty half magazine to kill an opponent, flanking was more rewarding but even risky cause you got killed faster too.

wispy carbon
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You can run around brainlessly in BF, plenty of people do that.

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But yeah I like BF for those reasons too

ruby adder
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That’s why I play HLL now, more rewarding than BF2042, you can see your efforts for the team, every player counts and the focus is not k/d, because you can loose and still enjoy the match, more immersion.

Battlefield on HC has that sweet mix of being arcade with a bit of “realism” and immersion in my opinion

mossy flare
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Anyway, was a pleasure to chat with you guys, now better sleep, it’s past 3 am, see ya

pure zinc
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what what?

leaden copper
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In the beta the weapon felt good, but don't even think about putting a 6x scope on a revolver like in BF4 because you'll shoot into the air and somewhere to the side

charred crown
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Wow

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So

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Reviving is useless

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You say its useless due to subjective amount of people per match that DONT revive you

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Not a class issue

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That's a team issue

shy slate
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BF classes and class roles are and have always been optional and its rare that random players you encounter actually do the things their role asks. People who claim otherwise are lying to themselves.

Teamplay in BF, outside of rare indoviduals, or group of friends playing in a squad largely happens as a result of a player playing solo and for themself. But the games design making an action by a solo player benefit their team (Like dropping a health crate/ammo crate, deployable cover, spawn beacon, TUGS, ETC)

gray nimbus
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This has nothing to do with what I said, as it (my statement) applies to all forms of classes

gray nimbus
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Im not trying to change peoples minds. Its just my opinion based on my experience with BF. Ill play a good BF game if it is fun, and lets me play with my online friends/make new ones. What they do with their class system in the upcoming one isnt going to affect me playing it all that much (Ill play their beta, and if I like the game ill buy it)

gray nimbus
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More important to me and the people I play/played with, is a return to community nurturing features. Persistent servers, server browser(If there arent persistent servers, but both would be nice), a way to form a clan, clan tags, platoons, ETC.

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But the games design making an action by a solo player benefit their team (Like dropping a health crate/ammo crate, deployable cover, spawn beacon, TUGS, ETC)...

This is how I'd want them to program it. The more people who can do the same thing with different options/styles, t more likely someone will be in a position to help when you need it.

gray nimbus
shy slate
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You can stop trying to force your opinion down my neck, im not doing it to you. I heard you the first time

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These things I speak of are not mutually exclusive

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You arent going to buy the game. Cool. Can we move on from there and just talk

gray nimbus
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If you want unlocked classes or you don’t mind it, then that’s just how it is . It seems EA is designing the game this way and alot of people are pissed about it

shy slate
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I think a large % of the people saying they wont play or buy the game are not being truthful. But anyways, im not here to say your opinion is invalid. Id prefer a locked weapon system, but not havign it isnt a deal breaker.

gray nimbus
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I'd be fine with locked weapons, though BFV locked a selection eventually, like recon having sniper and psitol carbines or Medic having smg's and bolt carbines.

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But I liked BF1 everyone can spot, 3 classes can attack vehicles.

shy slate
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I hope that if and when they properly define and showcase signature weapons, class traits and training (Whatever that is), they do so with visual aids and demonstration, not just words in a blog.

rapid marlin
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I wondered if training was trying to make you play the same class all game. If it's perks through the same game but only to that class.

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it's like a... specialization

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we could call these specialists oh wait ah fuck

tardy crypt
# gray nimbus again, if the weapons are unlocked , I and many others won’t buy this game . It’...

It's a foolish hill to die on. There's no good arguments for locked weapons. If every class can use a carbine, then why not an assault rifle? Same for every other weapon type.

But to reverse it, there are actual tangible benefits to unlocked weapons. Snipers who don't have to redeploy if they run out of ammo. The whole squad can play together, no matter the situation. When there's an OP weapon, you don't get a major imbalance of classes that can cause a lack of revives, ammo, or anti-tank.

The classes provide a role in the team regardless of the weapon chosen. Supports revive and give ammo. Engineers repair and destroy vehicles. Recon provides spotting and forward deploy areas. Assaults break enemy defensive positions. Letting the assault have a sniper rifle won't meaningfully change that role.

tardy crypt
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yeah it's crazy how essentially the same gameplay system across multiple games is seen as a deal breaker by some simply because the optics are different

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I come from playing a lot of COD and I want to see open unlocked weapon classes , you battlefield fans need to suck it up and accept times are changing , total fps and his crew want the same for us too. We’re now in charge really , it’s our time now , not you old folk , get over it.

white temple
white temple
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I’m joking

white temple
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Oh ok that makes it better then

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I forgive you

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Even if I wasn’t this channel is for people’s opinions little man.

But no , I despise the idea of a circus freak show that is unlocked weapons

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They shouldn’t even be making us have this discussion. Anyway, as you were

white temple
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They are like goblins

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Coblins

white temple
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🤣

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They are though

gentle star
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Damn that's alot of hate

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Inside of a Coblins lunchbox -
🍭🍬🧃🍼

white temple
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Call of duty players are the bane of hate due to the sole fact that just because a shitty game has got a lot of money from micro transactions and not because the game is good other games try to replicate that and in doing so they ruin their own game

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And then when that happens in come the COD players to ruin the game even more because they dont play the game the way it should be played and ur team loses due to that

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And thats facts

vagrant pebble
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All the awful balancing decisions makes sense when you remember ''free to play mode''. They want feature parity but it's not going to work. Not even other shooters does the ''feature parity'' in weapon/class/loadout balancing because it's not working. Hmm

serene igloo
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People say this game looks like CoD when it's different in a way. CoD has too much going on, weird lighting on weapons characters etc.

vagrant pebble
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People who I trust the opinions of says it plays like CoD too CursedCat

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It’s the sense of squad play that needs to be accounted for not how it looks. Unlock those weapons it becomes more like it

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Some of the gadgets don’t help either like the barricade

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Well will see either way. Will also see how much they really listen , after that should be easy to make mind up on what’s taken over and how we will miss the old management and devs

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Good bye old times

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Like kissing good bye the 90s coz spoilt babies ruint and complained about it

gentle star
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Both sides are complaining like babies leo

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That’s true - but I also said they shouldn’t even be making us have this discussion about classes

gentle star
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Are you devoid of free will?

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What do you mean

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There’s no such thing , you have a choice to either do demons work or angels work. Dice currently is favouring chaos so ,

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You enjoy your free for all f fest , old players prefer structure. The only reason why it’s going like this is because certain people within Dice enjoy it this way , they played a lot of 2042 and won’t necessarily care what us think since it’s to appease themselves.

funny thing is though its our cash , must be forgetting about that

muted sandal
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I'm an old player and I still prefer unlocked primary weapons for BF6

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muted sandal
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Grown up players then *

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Indeed , just doin Gods work n all 🪲

muted sandal
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I'm that too, I just don't take profile pictures seriously out of all things

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My Origin picture is also just a cat saying No.

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I know but your timing and the previous point I was making , couldn’t help it

muted sandal
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And steam is some hairy sasquatch model without a nose

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hehe fair

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A tad harsh to be honest so I’ll edit it.

muted sandal
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Haha nah it's good

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Not the first time either

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Na meant calling certain people over at dice children , then you’d commented with that pic. Removed it now .

Either way I prefer the structure that locked weapons bring. Don’t have to faf around so much for one

vagrant pebble
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Yeah, no need to dilute BF identity even further imo

muted sandal
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I'm certain there'll be other decisions that will bring the game down far worse than unlocked primaries

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Some that are already present in 2042

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Like forced crossplay, playlist matchmaking, etc

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If that’s going to be the case then il be kissing good bye to the current management and hope a new one reminiscent of the old crew will take over. I’ve accepted 2042 for what it is and gave the thing another chance - but If they Insist on being this stubborn and arrogant changing things when there’s no need and not listing to anybody then , f it

You just don’t need to fix things that don’t need to be fixed , why risk the backlash , they on coke or something ?

muted sandal
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The franchise ever returning to older titles is frankly a pipedream

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JF talking about how Battlefront 3 would be awesome , well currently not so sure eh. Still yet to hear him talk about this issue though , can almost guarantee he’s probably too infuriated to even go there and discuss it.

It’s simply said everywhere that people want a BF4 BF1 BFV on steroids that’s it , nothing more nothing less , no fancy stuff like extra breathing if you happen to be that class or what ever coz have the idea of unlocked weapons to all , or this or that , don’t even like stim shots that’s not modern combat, you don’t see that stuff on the bf , that’s apex legends creeping its way in unnecessarily

I liked the perk system of the old games , especially the squad ones on bf4 , wish they’d stop trying to reinvent stuff and instead refine what’s already blueprinted.

vagrant pebble
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I would rather want BF2143 than BFront 3 tbh

white temple
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Imo Bfront was only good for the ewok map

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# vagrant pebble I would rather want BF2143 than BFront 3 tbh

I don’t think want anything from this current management - I see the first short clip of BF6 and for the first time in years , super excited

Not so much now since it’s clear to me they just don’t learn nor listen to a point it actually feels like someone’s sabotaging it

So with said don’t know what I’m doing here , got stuff to do yet here I am moaning about stuff shouldn’t have to be moaning about. Let em get on with it innit. See how that pans out.

dusk ether
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Even though they are changing plenty to align with the direct requests of the playerbase?

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Like I say , will see how it pans out.

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In all fairness they didn’t need to change anything to begin with

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From the old games system that is

vagrant pebble
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Some people who were in the tests since beginning said they changed movement like three times, this is pre alpha, everything is subject to change, if open beta comes out and it's still like this with bad gunplay, bad movement and vehicle design then it's time to be worried imo

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I’m talking about the things that make for solid squad play mainly. Wasn’t just gadgets. I would also love to see BFV movement , crawling on arse backwards style was pritty innovative of the old team , dug that a lot. As did I the getting knocked over from large impact explosions. The sound was also top notch , loved the player chatter and the other near by players one liners , all added to the immersion.

Dare I say V is probably my favourite. If that was modern style setting , would have blown BF4 out of the water too. Yeah slightly boring at launch , was a live service sure , but I still enjoyed the new movement mechanics they brought to the table etc.

I really thought that was gunna be the backbone for the new BF but we got 2042 instead. A totally new management if any management, dna changed , my cash don’t want any of that dna in 6 and already it’s smelling like there is.

So as I say , will see

dusk ether
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Good thing we got that bfV movement

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Back crawling, crouch running, rolling etc is all back and confirmed you didn’t know already

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I didn’t know 100% , the last clip from China didn’t show much of that so I wasn’t too sure. I’m aware of rolling is etc and auto lean. But as I say it’s when things start smelling like 2042 it puts me off wanting to eat it. The weapons not locked , the fancy breathing perks , apex style stims ,random barricades etc. idk

As I say , will see how it goes. Squad leader callins still quiet about that , maybe that’s where the commander mode will come into the equation.

dusk ether
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I’m just looking at it in isolation and not disregarding things just because they happen to exist in 2042, comparing what’s been shown to past games of course but unless you dislike those features by themselves I feel it’s a little rough to just be against them because they happen to exist in 2042

vagrant pebble
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2042 had lots of 2142 features funnily, like Boris turret, Irish deployable cover, there were also some annoying things like squad leader gadgets in that game, you could spawn an UAV on you which pings enemies near you on the minimap

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2142 can get away it and actually was my first real taste of BF , even bought a card good enough just to be able to play it on my crappy pc at the time

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Titan mode was epic , good times

vagrant pebble
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They shouldn't bring back ranger or boris turrets imo

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Or even AI players

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Lock AI to portal

dusk ether
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If they add auto turrets I will go ballistic

vagrant pebble
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Yeah, so annoying to be beamed by a boris turret behind the smoke

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Aside from a US Boris vs a RU overdubbed Boris ? 😂

Thats what I meant about maturity of the current management , was clearly to suit younger audiences and not really caring about the old crew that like a sense of structure , directional focus and well , realism. Players that never knew of the world before it would be simply quite happy about it , but for most , it was £50 down the pan.

What would make it up to most would be if they remastered Shanghai and flood zone for the bf6 portal. Toppling building and all. Or they make maps similar with similar stuff happening.
That cruise missile was sick asf as well
I remember that even being an app for iPad , chilling out helping ya team toward victory.

junior thorn
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That’s honestly what I want, a modern, not post modern, but like actually 2012-present style warfare.

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Like the other guy said it’s a pipe dream but a BF4 remaster would go insanely hard. Just give me an updated graphics of the same game really.

obsidian scroll
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I disagree. I dont want to play BF4 anymore. It's like Bethesda re-releasing Skyrim for the 7th time. Give me notes of older titles but a new game. Give us another game that we can put in the top 5 that's an original idea.

idle badger
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Yeah, this is accurate. Just played BF4 recently and it felt as old as it is. It was awesome for when it came out but it's been 10+ years. We need to progress

dusk ether
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The best part is how each game feels different, so it’s not a matter of just choosing a game based on its player count

idle badger
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Good point. Just between BF1 and BFV there are some huge differences that make me want to play one over the other depending on how I feel

dusk ether
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Yeah

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Like, I play bf4 for the aggressive nature of its infantry combat. Bf1 for its restrictions and how that leads to different gameplay approaches, v for its more team and squad focused design and 2042 for its movement and sandbox elements

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Which is why even if I don’t like what one game does I can’t really bring myself to say any of them are awful

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Which is why I don't want a BFX remastered. I want a new, kick ass game. Yea sure, add old elements but make the meat and potatoes something new and fresh. Stop regurgitating the same content in the name of nostaligia but at the same time, don't make the game trendy (COD-like).

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# obsidian scroll I disagree. I dont want to play BF4 anymore. It's like Bethesda re-releasing Sky...

Remastered , with the movement style they’ll incorporate into bf6 , I meant for portal , portal is making a return so that’s why I’d suggested how good that would be. But a proper leveloution style map not like the last where they couldn’t be arsed to let you knock stuff down that you otherwise could , they forgot people dig those maps coz of such stuff

I then also said though if they make some maps like that with same immersion and action as say Shanghai, I’d be just as happy with that. Destruction that alters the direction of a battle etc.

obsidian scroll
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Just give me gun. I am happy

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You’ll get your guns , all of them no matter the class lol

obsidian scroll
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Gun make me happ

boreal harbor
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Immersion and action as Shanghai? BF4 fans love telling on themselves

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Shanghai is a mid map at best pre tower falling, then turns into a garbage map

obsidian scroll
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Honestly, I want the vehicles to feel better than anything else. When I'm not drowning my team in ammo boxes, I'm in the Abrams

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Yeah true , but you know.

obsidian scroll
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I know a modern style map they could make similar to Shanghai (tower falling)

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That build up that not letting people blow the thing up gives the player some extra fun stuff to do though Zeethos

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I wana see some cranes 🏗️ getting toppled this time though , special places to stick c4 on them.

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No doubt they’ll be cranes lol

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That be stuck there with super glue

Some tactical thinking , ways of destroying stuff that be strategic , none of this zipping around with stims recons (or mostly everyone) beaming with hi rate of fire smgs 🎪

dusk ether
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In the future , would defo love to see the same level of realism and immersion bf4 had with start of it’s campaign, that scene where you’re on that scaffold type tower with the chopper circling you , then gets hit tower comes down , your legs and arms flailing around , first person cinematics like that would be profound within the multiplayer realm , they actually started doing it with V and then took a nose dive with 2042.

And trust no one is saying they want exactly same thing as bf4 etc , I find it too slow compared to say bf1 or V etc , much prefer that speed over bf4 , simply saying they ain’t gotta go changing the core so much. That simple really

shy slate
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I love things like moving/flapping cloth/tarps in the wind in video games. and I dont know why lol.

dusk ether
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The 2042 ones are basically identical to titanfall’s which I like, only game I’ve seen that does any kind of intro sequence

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Na not intro cinematics , f that I hated them for 2042 , Titanfall type ones is ok , there’s certain ones I didn’t like , got samey repetitive

I mean action cinematics when certain things blow up etc

There is soooo much talent over at dice so much potential to use to make a mind blowing experience and with V I felt this was heading in that direction especially in terms of 1st person immersion and cinematic experience

dusk ether
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Oh I gotcha

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Honestly I’d prefer fewer things that take away control because I’m more focused on the competitive side of these things, but can’t hurt to add more details if they don’t harm anything else of course

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Well you’d still be in control , I don’t know how would be pulled off , but you know what I generally mean. Evolved levels of Vs mechanics i suppose

dusk ether
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If anything the enter animations in bfV and the knockback ones make me feel less immersed because of the fact they strip control away

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I didn’t mind that 2bh , definitely subjective sure. I mean getting that headshot in just before someone tries to outsmart by jumping in , certain situations of course , you know coz soon as they’re in that tank you could be screwed , so for me added an extra layer of intensity

dusk ether
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Just annoys me when people claim something has to be realistic to be immersive

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One of my pet peeves

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Not saying you are doing that of course

mossy flare
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just got revived like 20 times in my last match of BF V

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best medics in the entire battlefield franchise

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pure zinc
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Battlefield isn't realistic

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💀💀💀

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Oh you meant the story mode

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Didn't read that part lol

rich wraith
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This is like writing an essay for class and realizing you misread the prompt after you've spent a week on it

pure zinc
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Lol

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I personally don't care about levolution at all

rich wraith
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Levolution was cool but I'd just like more destruction instead

pure zinc
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Yeah, the finals level destruction is better becuase it happens all the time rather then just 1 event

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Levolution would be cool if it changed how you play the game. Like for example there is a facility with gas in one of the flags. If you accidentally made the gas leak people in that area had to equip gas masks similar to BF1 gas mask system. So with low visibility and no option to ADS people had to adapt to that while they are in that flag.

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Or just bomb da mothafuggin map

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Voila 2 maps in one

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# pure zinc I love playing a game where you can revive allies when they died woth a shit ton...

You know what I meant , I’m talking about not needing to change the core of a game and provide something like 2042 +. RU Boris vs US Boris isn’t realism , you know what I meant by realism , all the things you just spoke of is simply fun stuff

Edit - oh just see what you put underneath. No worries , yeh to that part I meant the level of 1st person cinematics they use to employ would be awesome , V was getting kind of there with that

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# vagrant pebble I personally don't care about levolution at all

Yeah not too fussed either and yes that’s what I meant about having things happening that can change the direction of a game , doesn’t have to be trade mark , but to have the odd map where by destructive stuff happens as result of x or y simply adds to the excitement and a feel for certain strategies.

They did a nice job with that missile strike explosion hitting side of the tech building in 2042 , stuff like that would be sweet.

I mean I still love to see a v1 hitting a target or watching a clip of a cruise missile striking something. They definitely shouldn’t shy away from that stuff , bring extra level of intensity that actually make you wana play it loads , all intense immersive moments that actually makes battlefield a battlefield.

Like as I say less of focus about zipping around with stims and any class using hi rate fire smgs beaming everything and that just be that , otherwise may as well just play 2042 or cod , all about the squad play locked in immersive BF moments , not bothered about special breathing perks if use a weapon with a class , that should be a thing regardless , like I said liked the old style perks , Vs was ok , for example pathfinder was/is a good system for recon , stuff like that , could do a mix of bf4 squad perks and individual ones. Rather than special traits if use a weapon with class , coz as we all know they should be locked anyways !

What’s peoples thoughts about the spray paint around objectives ?

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most structures you can rip apart aside from the core of the building

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yeah /\

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Locked weapons are essential on the true Battlefield experience. Sorry but a support with a sniper is just not Battlefield.

gentle star
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A support with a sniper vs a recon with a sniper isn't suddenly 10000% better

placid saffron
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same with a recon

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@placid saffron on target

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but they have to just redeploy

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As we can see in all previous games

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# gentle star but they have to just redeploy

True, but that's not a reason to unlock weapons for all classes.
Locked class weapons is part of Battlefield's identity, remove that and the things that Battlefield, Battlefield slowly fades away and just isn't the same game anymore

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Every small chip at the original formula leads to a larger crack in the system.

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# gentle star As we can see in all previous games

That doesnt make it a fun experience for your squad in a squad based shooter. And it was not in all other shooters. BC2 showed us how truly remarkable an agressive sniper is for his team, with pokiballs and a high damage sniper.

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Most fps games you can find players like these

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especially battlefield

obsidian scroll
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That doesn't make it a good thing

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Most fps games these days are bland

gentle star
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You can't really force people to play a certain way

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you can only encourage

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You can if you lock weapons to classes lol

gentle star
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Nope

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They'll still do the same thing

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The Battlefield labs is about comunication and bringing back the true Battlefield experience that the veterans want and the new players can finnaly experience. But thats just my 50 cents.

placid saffron
# gentle star you can only encourage

Then don't play Battlefield, like i'm going to try to force a game do become something it isn't just because i don't like what it currently is and always was

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Yes it has always been pointless

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People play however they want, locking weapons doesn't change anything

placid saffron
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yes me too, those sound effects ohhhh

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Erm, can we get kill streaks in battlefield pls Dice????

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Lol

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Not locking guns=no more choosing a class for a gun and only for a class

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Honestly I like it

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People choose assualt for ars a lot

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As its objectively the next gun class

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For infantry

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I dont care if there gunna be class locked or not really

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Yea but now people will only chose ars. That leads to more meta and less speciality

pure zinc
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People act like class locked is such a big thing and defines the classes when it doesnt really

pure zinc
boreal harbor
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None of it matters, the game will likely be a slight improvement over 2042 because EA and battlepass

boreal harbor
placid saffron
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Remaster Battlefield Heroes, the true experience

raven galleon
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I memba having 20 different accounts just for the daily spin to get a wep

vagrant pebble
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Eat the memba 🍇s , just member when it was good 🎲 and why it was good

Just to be clear , me and Blet are doing South Park

But no…… keep those guns locked.

And memba why

pure zinc
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Exactly. You merely proved the point….by saying what.

quaint dune
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wtf have i just read

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All seriousness though should watch 90s never mind the buzzcocks with Mark Lamarr , good old classic raw uncensored uk British humour. Unlike now.

quaint dune
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💀

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What was is that you liked about it

boreal harbor
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the new class freedom

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not getting locked into a crappy primary that doeesnt fit my style of play

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That still doesn’t cut the mustard.

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no, that's literally all that matters

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player agency

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For you

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ok, so for instance. I love RPGs, the destruction is just fun, but I dont want to have to use some clunky ass LMG. I want to run around, but not at the crackhead pace with a SMG, so combining a nice Assault rifle, but getting to use the rockets was a great combo for me

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I agree. I really like the open weapon choice.

boreal harbor
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there's no argument against it other than the same tired "well it was like this in the past"

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The argument was about a solid structure

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Yeah, there are plenty other ways to make the classes unique, outside of primary weapon choice.

boreal harbor
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as if DICE hasn't changed who gets what gun every other game, or that BF4 had universal weapons that covered every range archetype

boreal harbor
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2042 has defined class structure right now

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does it?

boreal harbor
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yes it does

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Well basically here how’s it going to go down for me , il simply do what BFV and one did and create own custom loadouts that resemble it

vagrant pebble
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Yeah 2042 is known for having prime team play

boreal harbor
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Just have to trust others to do the same

boreal harbor
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I don’t even know anymore , just see how it pans out innit

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Everyone fullfils their roles to full extent, I definitely don’t see clueless Boris, Falck, Irish and Casper players in 2042

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2042 had 0 team play

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cos it was just a cod game in a battlefield suit

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Some of the best squad play experience I’ve ever had as well as many others was with BFV , not quite a decade ago

boreal harbor
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and even BFV was known for people playing Medic just for that one SMG and the speed boost from dead allies

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Yes and it suited that “playstyle” for them at the time and still does of course , smg suits the medic

But no generally you’ll get each class in your squad , or atleast 3 out 5 most of the time , it’s rare to be in squad of just medics,

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I get revived in BFV lol, never in 2042

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i never get revived by anyone in battlefield games

boreal harbor
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I've topped matches with 4 revives as an assault in 2042

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xdd

boreal harbor
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but I feel like I get ammo more reliably...

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sooo

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this is the type of medic i want

boreal harbor
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no, I mean I feel like I see ammo boxes/angel crats all over the place

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Mate , everyone picks up everyone in V a real clutchy experience

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where in BF3/BF4 I feel like I'd see 1 per match

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or the 24/7 iwo jima servers

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cos if those are still up i might redownload it

boreal harbor
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I play Xbox I’m sure they are , only issue you may find are solid fans of the game that only ever play that , so you’ll be either having the time of your life or wanting the thing to end (turn it into a challenge instead) . Still , it’s still one of my favs

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hm

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damn only 3k people on steam

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That said , you can get good fast when play against high level opponents, they become easily red and predictable also, so there’s that I guess. Catch em out on the flank with your tank and all that

That’s Xbox though , maybe more variation and more players on pc , Xbox wise though , yes theres the die hard regulars and with only a handful of servers to choose from.

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i wonder how many on EA app

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prob more since BFV wasn't on steam initially

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yhhh

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i just dont wanna redownload it and there be no full servers xD

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Still more popular than you think , I certainly never had an issue with it , didnt understand what the fuss was about with the ttk either , in fact I didn’t even notice when they’d changed it , didn’t even care about some of the fuss by certain players was all about regarding female soldiers , Dice certainly made the thing work really well.

There’s still a few streamers that go through massive phases with it , that always attracts new players , I’m sure it’s still teaming with life over on pc , definitely more so than on xbox although you do still get full servers , just not that many of them to choose

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I am able to find servers everyday

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thats all i wanna play tbh

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Iwo Jima was peak

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When did you last play it ?

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xdd

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august 20th 2023

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Ah not thaat long ago , probs didn’t need to write half of that then , although may apply to someone else I guess.

Just under year for me , been playing HLL after long brake , I know what will happen if were to have a game of V , il be in the morish BfV phase again , been about that time where it’ll feel fresh all over again

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xD

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last time i played i couldnt find a lobby

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at least a full one

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Could of been an issue that day or something , can only find out I guess

quaint dune
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true

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Only problem is half of the servers are always japanese maps and personally i hate them except for solomon islands

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Only because of the sheer amount of sweats in planes and snipers on those maps

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cos i prefer those maps

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that was when bfv was at its peak

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the pacific update

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U dont get it bro people in planes shoot u dead when 1: ur not even spotted and decently hidden and 2: they have fully upgraded fighter planes so powerful they take out tanks

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# boreal harbor as if DICE hasn't changed who gets what gun every other game, or that BF4 had un...

it's pretty obvious dice has been trying to move away from locked weapons since the beginning. 1942 and 2 had one weapon per class per faction. Bad Company actually introduced multiple guns per class and an extremely limited universal weapon system. Beyond that they just keep expanding universal weapons every time because DICE realized that what really defines a class is gadgets, not engagement ranges.

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:>

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THEY DID

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there's always something for someone to complain about and god damnit they're gonna complain about it

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ok im sorry that was too far

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quaint dune
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i havent had that issue in years

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my hair started falling out in college when i was like 18

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i used to have such long hair man

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its big pain

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i'm sorry to hear that

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now im balding at the age of 23

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its depressing

fiery rune
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you're 2 years younger than me?!

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I always view criticism as people just wanting to have a game they’ll enjoy more, but I will admit a lot of points don’t cover much beyond just ‘because that’s how it’s supposed to be!’

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Most arguments I see are

  1. Appeal to tradition
  2. It forces players to play a specific way, which assumes that by extension they'll play in a way that helps their team.
  3. It prevents players from picking bad class and weapon combinations. The most common example is that most solo players probably should not pick up a sniper rifle if they're not playing recon.
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And plenty of people choose the worst gun in a locked weapon class just for the challenge/shits and giggles

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I can understand the intentions, but I think there are more effective combinations of weapons and gadgets depending on what the player wants/needs to do.

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Main point is game readability, I think the carbine, dmr, and shotgun tabs should come back. They seem to have worked pretty well

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they already have those

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from what we've seen so far

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A spawn beacon is more useful in a forward position/flank, not next to the sniper’s spot and outside of soflam they really don’t have long range gadgets. All their motion sensing stuff is again more useful when played on the frontlines/flank

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I haven’t seen much so I’m going to reserve my opinion on class weapons, but they were pretty balanced in bf3 and bf4. Except the m26

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Doesn’t matter if the assault is using any weapon, if I see him outside the range of my gun I’m not engaging

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# boreal harbor A spawn beacon is more useful in a forward position/flank, not next to the snipe...

I do agree that spawn beacons should be up closer to the action, but the trade-off is it can be destroyed easier. It's more defensible if the player is playing near the spawn point or at least is guarding the flank the spawn is meant to exist in.

To be perfectly clear, I do agree with you. I make these same points myself and it matches how I play the game. I'm just attempting to acknowledge the opposing arguments so it's clear we're all on the same page.

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Other than vehicles needing to spot engineers and any C4 class (which weapon class has no bearing in) and those silhouettes still exist

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back when this server was cool and let me post clips :(

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You can still post them in the dedicated channel. 😛

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I def hope we get class locked weapons (i haven't been keeping up with news, so idk if anything changed)

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I mean one of the complaints about recons is the stay already back and put beacons AWAY from the action

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Plus their kit (going off bf3/4) was mostly close to objective equipment

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C4 tugs

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Beacons

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Oh, @boreal harbor was making the same argument

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Damn him!

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recon has always been the sniper only class... why would you want them anywhere closer? I remember in bad company 2 and battlefield 3 having the bragging rights on dogtags to show who landed the longest headshot, and I got the longest headshot possible of a shotgun with an m1014 slug and 8x, a shot of just over 1000m, the recon class using an AR is just silly.

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# fiery rune * TUGs can be placed closer to objectives to see where enemies are pushing from ...

for the fact that he has recon abilities.... to be able to spot enemies using even the motion sensor over all other classes that don't even get normally shown on the minimap makes it tooo easy for a recon to just bunny hop around with an aek spraying an spraying all the blimps in the map, even if there is smokes out and cover, a good recon player with c4 and enemy location is just unbalanced

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Recon has the most team centric gadgets and everyone uses them for themselves

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We get trickle down teamwork from them

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But that's also your job as recon. You take out vulnerable targets with spotting equipment and flanks.

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Or spotting equipment on flanks.

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recon in 2042 as it is, having short ranged guns makes no sense... we already have the engineer and assault to do that

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Aggro recon is super powerful. Free spotting and controlling where you spawn is massive.

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Recon in 2042 is even more in-tuned with the open weapon system. The weapons you use with Casper, Rao, Paik, or Blasco all vary. You're wasting your time if you're running a sniper on Paik for instance.

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It was pushed from bad co 2 to bf4 with all kit weapons.

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Don't you realise how powerful tugs is?

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They think limiting recon to snipers is what makes TUGs balanced.

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Otherwise you'd be able to do too much

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Tugs is pretty consistently one of the most powerful gadgets in the games.

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fuck it just give everyone the ability to see the enemy position at all times

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By the sounds of the early perks different weapons will actually have different mobility stats meaning carbines may actually serve as all kit weapons without being explicitly stated.

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(Support having no movement speed penalty with lmgs for instance)

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Theyre meant to make you miss out.

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let the sniper have a grappling hook,not the shooty kind,but the throw-a-rope kind,to climb up

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that's just the mackay problem but slower

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Hardlines grappling hook was way more limited and way better.

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People should wake up from their lala land im so tired of hearing people talk about non existent teamplay

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tbh

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ive gone back and played multiple battlefield games these last 2 weeks

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and im forced to accept that BFV has more team play than any other battlefield ive played

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i played 2 games on wake island last night where i had a full squad of medics and we kept everybody alive

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i havent had that in 3, 4, 1 or 2042 in recent years

wind oyster
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theres nothing else to do but revive in strategic cq

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you run into a player on a lucky day on those maps

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but i couldnt find a lobby

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# mild rock By the sounds of the early perks different weapons will actually have different ...

Doesn’t matter how it’s worded or brought to the table , right now all Dice seem to be doing is encouraging selfish play styles where by squad work will be non existent like 2042. In 2042 you don’t even realise you’re in a squad lmao , everyone is running around doing their own thing with their me me me choose any gun loadout playstyles not giving two sets of crap about you , these players don’t come from the realm of old Bf and neither does the current management.

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Hey look at me me me beam beam beam with my sm Beamer

shy slate
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Bro, play any BF game and squads barely play together

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Talking to me like i haven’t!

shy slate
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What age are you

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Which past BF games have you played

wind oyster
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i can probably note out a minimum of 30 times just within my posted videos of players doing completely nothing

shy slate
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I can only speak from my own experience with pub server squads. That experience is players not playing or sticking together. Outside of random occurances

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All of them , V being a fav - It’s because of people like why 2042 came along.

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Full of crap pickle , absolute crap

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i can prove you wrong though

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you cant prove me wrong

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so whos really full of crap here

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What becuase there’s servers with new players ? By n large die hard fans of V play it aaaaaaall the time

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You

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sucks

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Your mentality is showing.

wind oyster
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I mean, you can literally go to any YT video, watch it and see players not playing as a squad. I can guarantee that most of the time it will be every player playing for themselves...then random instances of team or squad play.

wind oyster
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but its normal for people to not want to accept things that dont match the things they are preaching of

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Buts it’s bs , you trolling you got nothing better to do than to troll the crap out of this situation

wind oyster
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Just being in touch with reality. There is no trolling happening here, just a bunch of players with decades of experience with BF

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We ain’t even discussing this , V is one of my fav games due to how well the squads work , 2042 however - my god.

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The bf5 squad experience huh. While I do agree there's an incentive to stick together more so than other games because of how the game is advertised, I would always get the same idiots no matter what.

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There bloody is mate you and Bsod and pickle are master trolls

wind oyster
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hes the idiot thats why hes so clueless

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Keeping on trolling it

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Bf5 wasn't this special game where people magically played together the only people left on it nowadays are people who don't want to play 2042 (which is fair).

wind oyster
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probably spectating others play the entire game thinking hes teamplaying

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stalking your teammates in a video game is 👏 not 👏 teamplay 👏

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It’s my experience of it

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Look who’s brought the trolls in today my god you have relatives of the immature management ? Really showing

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In comparison to 2042 , squad play does not exist.

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That was my point

shy slate
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Who is acting more immature. The ones presenting their experience with BF games and nothing more, or the one calling everyone trolls/clowns who wont jump on their idea and agree?

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If you refuse to see that then mate worse disinfo agent than I thought

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You

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dms are open

shy slate
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Post your BFV soldier name so we can see your squad stats

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it isnt even about revives or ammo giving (not entirely) its about holding angles the rest of your team might not be holding, looking out and help killing other enemies

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if youre just circling around an objective like a headless chicken you are infact doing absolutely nothing at that moment

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You want me to post my Xbox game tag to a couple of trolls ?

wind oyster
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you probably dont go for any real flanks to help your team get through certain chokes or game decisive plays that help your team

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or aiding your team to make those decisive plays

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its something that has never happened

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What else will you assume

wind oyster
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its negative kd players that get less than 1 kill every minute in a game where youre within constant contact with other players, you quite literally have to do practically nothing to achieve that

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i should make a video where i just dont do anything or even really try to do anything big and still 3-4x average players

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The server I play on Xbox is always mostly regulars

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"xbox"

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alright

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ignored

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xd

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I don’t play it on pc , atleast not anymore.

shy slate
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"I only play on one server with regulars" > tries to tell us how the average BF game lobby plays. Ok m8

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Like those 2 things are even remotely the same

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Mate I bought it at launch ,

wind oyster
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the regulars are generally equally as bad as the rest of the playerbase

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Much more servers to choose then and everyone is even keel , anymore assuming you wish to do master troll ?

wind oyster
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especially on console where theres just less good players ingeneral

shy slate
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Familiar players are more likely to come help or revive you tho. Community servers play completely differently to pubs

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No it means there ain’t people like you said doing nothing

wind oyster
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I play support, so I actually do help a lot. I runs mokes and resupply/revive. I can show you my stats if you want

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Well that’s to be expected , some people don’t know how to take it seriously , you can’t use that either as your argument of this and that , works both ways then

wind oyster
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but if you have a team of players that dont kill anyone then its pretty meaningless

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The fact of the matter is , lock the weapons , provide a structure , and learn from how chaotic and circus like 2042 is. That’s all really

wind oyster
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youre going to end up losing that fight regardless

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pause

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Well im playing support, so my main mission to keep people alive. Getting kills is part fo that...as if I just revive people into enemy players, it was a pointless revive

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how does a debate about teamplay

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turn into guns being locked

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huh?

shy slate
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Its called forcing a narrative

quaint dune
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did i miss something further up?

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How does it ? Because that was my original statement , it was they that changed and twisted it if you actually scroll up

wind oyster
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So thanks for that f head

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Weren’t we talking yesterday ? Didn’t i recommend you play it

quaint dune
quaint dune
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Well then don’t jump the Gunn

shy slate
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I can tell exactly what type of person/player this guy is by how they act here anyways

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i asked

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clown

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Impulsive, reactive, angry

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Oooooo Jesus Christ

quaint dune
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hows me asking how the talk went from team play to guns being locked or not jumping the gun?

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Na fed up with trolls trying to change the core of this game

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im one of the people in favour of guns being locked

shy slate
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Not a single person even mentioned anything related to the core of the game tho lmao

quaint dune
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i was just confused how one convo turned to another

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Can you get off my back

quaint dune
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Then scroll up a few and you will see you assumptive moron , stop trying to get me time out

quaint dune
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i joined like 15 minutes ago or smth

quaint dune
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Yeah and your encouraging it , grow up

quaint dune
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how?

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XD

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i asked a question you clown

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The only thing that will get you a time out...is comtinuing to call people idiots, clowns, stupid or a moron