community-update-classes

[waxen cypress]

So you're only restricting snipers. It'd be quicker to say that way.

[tribal plinth]

@valid mesa LMGs should be as its own class and obliterate everything on its way. At least for Conquest.

[wind oyster]

where class restrictions are much easier to make

[graceful orbit]

Copy/Paste from BF3, job done

[waxen cypress]

The historic period of the game has nothing to do with classes

[tribal plinth]

@graceful orbit +1

[wind oyster]

i can only see a bf3/4 system or open class being a thing tbh

[wind oyster]

it does

ww1 era guns werent versatile the way modern guns are

[broken lintel]

Someon have glitch in main home? I can’t start a game

[wind oyster]

you didnt have semi autos that competed with smgs, you didnt have lmgs that competed with semi autos and so on

[woeful coral]

where is the private channel about feedbacks guyz ? any modos to help ?

[waxen cypress]

Battlefield was never a historic accurate game like hell let loose or something, its an arcade

[wind oyster]

easier to define classes

[solid sigil]

i dont think that comes into play when most people are using automatics in a way never actually used in ww1

[wind oyster]

notice how i didnt mention historical accuraccy

no one talked about realism either

[solid sigil]

then why arent they as versatile?

[wind oyster]

because ww1 technology wasnt advanced? lol

[waxen cypress]

You're talking about versality of ww1 guns, not saying the word doesnt mean you aren't talking about that subject

[wind oyster]

now you have compact AR's that do a good job in both range and cqc

with fast rpms and single fire options or burst options

[solid sigil]

i didnt mention historical accuracy
ww1 technology wasnt advanced
????

[waxen cypress]

Yeah lol

[graceful orbit]

ragebait

[wind oyster]

lets stop being deranged

youre playing in a ww1 timeline youre going to have ww1 weapons

/ww2

[eager briar]

Command not found

ww2 is not a valid command.

Use the help command to see the list of all commands.

[tribal plinth]

History has nothing to do with BFs gun dynamics. Suits in EA are more concerned about availibility of guns to sell more skins. But nobody explained to the suits that BF stood for 2 decades on certain weapon dynamics and availability... they would rather gamble on all weapons availability, but they may gamble on killing Conquest mode, thus entire franchise...

[waxen cypress]

What does it have to do with classes

[wind oyster]

ww1 weapons are easier to spread around classes because you didnt have a gun that was good at everything

meaning the weapon restrictions were easier to make

[hybrid heath]

I want play BattleField Lab

😦

[wind oyster]

modern guns you can have drum mags on smgs competing against AR's and vise versa you cant define them in a single class because they are good at everything anyway

[solid sigil]

that makes more sense

[solid sigil]

and u lost it

[idle cipher]

this exactly, the higher ups in most gaming publishers these days are only concerned in turning a profit rather than satisfying the customer, which is the clear way to earn more money.

[wind oyster]

no

[hybrid heath]

BallteField 1 Bc2 3 1942 4 5 2042

[tribal plinth]

Current devs are chasing trends and keep looking for some mysterious new audience while allowing dedicated audience to leave because of not entirely great ideas...

[idle cipher]

people were outraged at the 2042 class system, and where are we now? doing the exact same thing to sell more skins to more people

[waxen cypress]

Agree with both

[graceful orbit]

they never learn

[solid sigil]

i see that the issue is mostly the introduction of assault rifles, not that smgs are high capacity

[wind oyster]

i dont see how an extremely specific time period has NOTHING to do with the dynamic of what kind of weapons were within that timeline

but its okay lets stay stupid

[fossil root]

Be respectful

[solid sigil]

althought i feel like they could still just be limited to an assault class if we want a game with bf1 type class restrictions

[wind oyster]

lets drool on our controllers whilist spectating people play the video game ingame and get super immersed

[waxen cypress]

Tbh im fine with both bf 3 and bf 1 systems idc

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster stay ignorant with your all unlocked broken OP meta guns...

[wind oyster]

im 0.6kd 0.3kpm god player 😎

[hybrid heath]

I've pre-ordered every Battlefield game. I want to play Battlefield LAB.

[wind oyster]

youre too clueless to even give me a good answer to why it should be locked and im going to bet money on it

[hybrid heath]

Not eligible

[waxen cypress]

I knew you were like that, kdr says nothing about a player on battlefield

[wind oyster]

yeah it only means that they do not understand how gunfights play out but thats fine

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster yeah thats why BF2042 got mixed reviews... because I am clueless with your meta OP broken guns...

[wind oyster]

apparently we do not need to know that to judge that

[waxen cypress]

Battlefield is about objectives

[wind oyster]

ok

how do you get objectives

?

[fossil root]

Mixed is generous

[wind oyster]

btw if you werent aware already

we are playing a first person shooter game

[fossil root]

Squad based coordination

[wind oyster]

not a first person run on objective sit on your belly til you die simulator

[waxen cypress]

With strategic gun fights and occupation of spaces

[wind oyster]

oh right thats a very real thing in battlefield games 😭

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster you must have not played previous BFs do you or your just trolling or some paid shill?

[wind oyster]

people teamplaying 24/7

definitely not perma dead and not doing anything

[hybrid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-xqcl-gif-25519231

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster I get that vibe...

[waxen cypress]

Yes they are not right now and thats why we're here discussing about this shit

[wind oyster]

played since bf4 so yeah only played 4,5,1,2042 but it doesnt really matter

[hybrid heath]

😭

[waxen cypress]

Oh I see now

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster I played games on Refractor Engine...

[wind oyster]

how will a weapon define how well people will fulfill their roles

go play bf1 legit no one actually plays that game

[fossil root]

I see your YouTube vids are only battlefield 1, did you not enjoy 2042?

[hybrid heath]

who can tell me how to play battlefield VI

[waxen cypress]

A meta OP broken gun makes you rush like crazy to get them easy kills

[wind oyster]

its boring but its an ok game

[wind oyster]

then why do i never actually see any good players that do that

😭

[waxen cypress]

Not everyone is as great as you are

[wind oyster]

i can give you the most broken weapon in the game and the odds are that you will still play bad because the weapon you play doesnt determine the outcome of your gunfights

😭

legit so meaningless

[waxen cypress]

It does, a broken weapon against one thats not the meta does

[wind oyster]

also by locking specific weapons into particular classes lets say 1 of the classes is genuinely much more overpowered over the other and people perma pick that one specific class purely because the weapon is just THAT good how will that actually effectively help with teamplay in any imaginable way

btw you will forever have meta weapons in battlefield game regarldess of them being locked or unlocked

😭

m416 in battlefield 3

aek in 4

[modern prism]

It just don't work like that, hell let loose is like that and its unplayable without a nice squad or a clan tbh

[wind oyster]

anni, automatico, smg 08 in 1

[waxen cypress]

Agree some will be better than others but not close to everyone having the same gun like in warzone or something

[mighty zealot]

Pfft, those are rookie numbers

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster but at least less dam@sses use that broken/unpatched weapon... Classes in BF4 are perfectly fine...

[lucid river]

No matter what they do to the classes 70% of the player base will equip thermal LMG and lay prone for 90% of the match lol

[solid sigil]

yeah ive actually never seen a single medic in bf1 ur so right they dont exist ever

[mighty zealot]

How do you know me like that?

[tribal plinth]

High MAG thermal BS weapon exactly... or the most broken one...

[waxen cypress]

Cap

[wind oyster]

it legit doesnt matter

[lucid river]

Not cap lol. Literally how most matches are played out

[wind oyster]

people forget that battlefield players are inherently bad and they legit do not play the game

i can go in spectator mode and spectate some random goofer do absolutely nothing for his entire 20-30 minutes of gametime

[lucid river]

People rarely PTFO and get active kills on OBJ. Its like 15% of the lobby only

[wind oyster]

buddy you think that locking classes will magically raise peoples IQ

[lucid river]

^

[mighty zealot]

You can see it in the pick rate of weapons in bf4

https://imgur.com/a/SEZDK

AR’s dominated which means assault was the wildly used class

[waxen cypress]

You just generalizing about everything and everyone, you're the one with the low iq

[wind oyster]

-2014
-sent by a console player

classic

[wind oyster]

i can go into 100 matches, record them all, screenshot every scoreboard and out of 64 people maximum of 8 will actually do something

😭

[mighty zealot]

But… I was agreeing with you?

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster yeah sure you sweat in Fortnite probably...

[wind oyster]

its not a generilzation to say that 99% of people are bad at the game and dont properly use their kits

[waxen cypress]

You're not a Battlefield player you keep insisting about this scoreboard and kdr, I could have a 0 10 scoreboard but capture 6 flags it'd be a good game

[empty mirage]

That's his getdown. I've never seen someone complain more than this guy

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster your wet dream is to have AEK on all classes...

[wind oyster]

good job you sat still on an objective that people cleared for you

💀

[wind oyster]

bf6 will have a meta regardless goof ball just like any fps game to ever exist

[mighty zealot]

You swear bf players don’t care about scoreboards, do you not remember when people lost their mind when they’re was no traditional scoreboard in 2042?

[waxen cypress]

Because you couldn't understand shit

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster yeah so you could play finally other class than medic?

@wind oyster you must be too crap without assault rifles enabled for ya?

[wind oyster]

if they lock weapons to specific classes you realize that it makes people pick particular classes for those particular weapons

because people do not care about the kits they have as theres never been and never will be any form of actual teamplay ever in a battlefield game

[waxen cypress]

Even if so, it worked in all battlefields how is it a problem

[mighty zealot]

It’s weapons lock first THEN class, maybe

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster that is good actually... so they may sweat with AEKs and others do their job with other kits..

[solid sigil]

do it

[waxen cypress]

Let's see the reviews of the battlefields with locked classes then we see 42 reviews

[tribal plinth]

I cant post any videos or screesnhot of my scoreboard here... so pickle could verify how wrong he is about his skill...

[waxen cypress]

Do yall realize if dice flops again the brand is dead ?

[mighty zealot]

Will the reviews of battlefield games with lock classes mentioned that as the reason the games are good?

[wind oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/947872594206539806/1361687863330083060/image.png?ex=683314a5&is=6831c325&hm=3656b2c52a221a998a8330cf7a909f6c874c9192bff1c583b5f59a13d328e2d3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1807&height=864 damn the opposing team did so much bro

perfect teamplay etc

btw it was a full game

all neg kd

[tribal plinth]

If Conquest flops... all franchise flops... some people say...

Yeah stacked teams nice try...

[wind oyster]

perma dead cant capture anything low scores cant kill anyone to defend or attack

[tribal plinth]

Youre pro

[waxen cypress]

No but 42 reviews have unrestricted weapons as one of the key factors people didnt like it

Locked classes is BF core thats undeniable

[wind oyster]

i was on the opposite team til i got kicked for farming the plebs

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster as you say...

[wind oyster]

so i went spec mode to ask about the kick

but it doesnt matter

those players werent good the team just didnt do anything

[solid sigil]

look at how many assaults there are only playing for meta weapons, theres no other classes there ur so right

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster what I am trying to convey that all unlocked guns for Conquest is a bad idea... all other non-vehicular modes... I dont care... let it be a mindless shambolic shootout...

Battleroyale... classes do not make sense other than that if there are heavy vehicles...

[wind oyster]

mentioned it 200 times in this server that the existence of meta clearly does not matter as people do not even know what meta is

[mighty zealot]

Pull up the reviews, lets see

[tribal plinth]

Most Battleroyales utilize two primary weapons...

[wind oyster]

yet people complain about it "but but if its open class people play op weapon with any class 🙁 "

like yeah go count up all the pp29 mackays in 42 lol

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster It doesnt even matter anything to players if they do suck on the server... nor their unlocked weapons lol

[wind oyster]

literally

it does not matter

[waxen cypress]

Really? Cmon bro lmao its a well known thing

[wind oyster]

you can lock classes the people will still be braindead

you unlock them the players will continue to stay braindead

[tribal plinth]

exactly

dead is dead

[wind oyster]

theres a good reason to why 2-3kpm is within like top 500 range 😭

[little hill]

So.... am I screwed since I have the download through Steam?

[wind oyster]

people rarely kill anyone anyway

so meaningless

[mighty zealot]

Ok, so it should be easy to find old reviews of it that mentions that

[wind oyster]

people should honestly focus on gadget balance so you dont have another case of spamming SPF launchers or some scatter grenades or gas

[solid sigil]

but i thought people perma pick classes based on weapon metas so which one is it - people pick classes based on weapon metas or metas dont matter ?

[wind oyster]

that almost instantly regen

[mighty zealot]

We can’t help you, also you’re not supposed to be talking about it

Like fight club

Rule 1

[tribal plinth]

My point is... you cannot buff LKMs outside other than one class... simply because all weapons have to stay on more or less the same baseline... LKMs then become worse pee pee guns than PP29...

You cannot make sensibly strong LKMs...

If all of the LKMs are being utilized by everyone...

The flavor is wishy-washy

[wind oyster]

?

[tribal plinth]

Yes youre cluless

ok Im done for today

[wind oyster]

what are you waffling about

[tribal plinth]

Do you imagine in BF4 or some LKMs in BFV utilized by everyone

I doubt

The answer is noope

Because LKMs or at least some of the are strong as hell...

[worthy surge]

Bonjour quelqu'un arrive à joué a la béta

[wind oyster]

meta doesnt matter for multiple reasons

1. people are too garbage to actually play metas good anyway
2. people are too unaware to even know what the differences between set guns are anyway

thats why it does not matter if its locked or open class

people are pissing their drawers for no reason

[waxen cypress]

yes all people suck and you're very good, we understood this point already

[wind oyster]

my point is is that 99% of people can not even fathom how the game plays out in either way

[tribal plinth]

All I understood of those who want all weapons unlocked... so they would utilize this weapon in every scenario and thats all...

[wind oyster]

for example we have our little buddy twordy here who imagines that if you have an open weapon class system they will automatically know and play the strongest weapons and go on insane 100-0 kill sprees because of that said weapon

[waxen cypress]

No he'd be pissed to watch everybody with the same gun

[tribal plinth]

Like they have never played previous BFs, that there is certain dynamics behind classes that had been destroyed completely and slowly on first Frosbite titles..

[wind oyster]

the funniest part is is that it actually never happens in bf2042 where the weapon selection is already open

news breaker

[tribal plinth]

Youre little man teamstacking...

[wind oyster]

with who am i supposed to team stack with

elmayo

[tribal plinth]

You could switch but you choose to farm

[empty mirage]

When 2042 is your shining example then you really don't have one

[tribal plinth]

Then say give me all the guns pliz

[wind oyster]

i have 48% win rate on my main because i lose switch

lets stop being stupid for a minute please

70% win ratio without switching on my alt btw

[tribal plinth]

You prove to be a little man to team stack sorry and ask for all guns allowed...

[wind oyster]

inbefore some pleberian pulls out "but if youre so good then how can you lose 🤓 "

[tribal plinth]

Not me..

[waxen cypress]

unlocked classes means everyone will pick medic + a broken gun, so they use what they like and they also heal themselves

[empty mirage]

He sounds like a COD player

[tribal plinth]

Sorry brother but You are a type of player I wont even name because I may even get banned for that @wind oyster

[wind oyster]

twordy do i personally need to send you the 300 messages of me writing you over and over again how i do not care if its open class or closed

[tribal plinth]

And you do know that

[waxen cypress]

In BF 1 this happened too in the final stages of the game because they added broken guns with the last update before it wans't like that

[wind oyster]

??

[wind oyster]

it never happens

go in 2042 rn

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster go play with your preferable broken meta and teamstack...

[waxen cypress]

everybody is an assault in 42 rn

1 class

[wind oyster]

can you please send me 1 image of me teamstacking

waiting

[wind oyster]

nah

send proof

please

i beg you

[empty mirage]

All you see is Angel or Falk or the chick with the AT missile

[wind oyster]

not even meta

🦧

[wind oyster]

@tribal plinth still waiting

[valid mesa]

PP-29s:
"Allow us to introduce ourselves"

[wind oyster]

no one plays it

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster I am not going my to stay here all day to sit with teamstacker and farmer... I see you writing constantly here. So have fun... what do You do here go and teamstack.

[valid mesa]

What, 2042?

[wind oyster]

yes

https://youtu.be/xREaYPcGvDo?t=655

[waxen cypress]

bingo wink wink

[wind oyster]

ok still waiting for you to send 1 image of me teamstacking

[tribal plinth]

I will find later today my screenshots. Be patient.

[mighty zealot]

Tbh id ignore him, he’s not looking for a conversation, just the ability to say he’s right

[wind oyster]

he cant say hes right when he doesnt have any backing to why hes right

[tribal plinth]

@wind oyster sending me a stacked screnshots Vs Clueless players lol

[wind oyster]

where

[tribal plinth]

sure dude where now you do not remember

[wind oyster]

send the image

[tribal plinth]

memory loss in your case

[wind oyster]

waiting

[tribal plinth]

and what is this

not team stacking

[wind oyster]

lol can you please point me to where you see a player named "I_Pickle_You" within that game

[copper bobcat]

Team stacking is cringe 😬

[wind oyster]

because i dont

infact

[tribal plinth]

Youre a troll

[wind oyster]

hes not in any of the sides

[tribal plinth]

Then sending me empty screenshots

[wind oyster]

maybe because hes not in the game at all

🤯

maybe hes spectating a game

[tribal plinth]

Ok youre trolling I knew this

[wind oyster]

youre calling me a troll after saying im in a game that im not in

5head core

[tribal plinth]

And You send me a screenshot of your alleged stats... You troll...

[wind oyster]

what stats

where did i post that

lol

[tribal plinth]

Ok i see youre hit on your head and need require special care... Im sorry brother I am done with You...

Have a good day 😁

[wind oyster]

lol????

bro seeing imaginary screenshots in his head

[supple bloom]

[mossy flare]

lol

[brazen mountain]

I Hope they will not stick with the jack of all trade 'type class'.. everyone running with heals+ammo and meta weapons..

[muted sandal]

I swear so far every gun type and different class has been doomed to become the only class people will play 🤣

[mild rock]

Can I ask how its different over people maining the a class for the meta weapons.

[waxen moat]

Hello everyone, I need help playing. I'm currently at the beginning when I have to accept the charters. Once accepted, I'm stuck in a menu where I have to choose its display. A text "Id_options_modify" appears, with nothing after. Do you have a solution? Thanks in advance!

[cobalt terrace]

Contact the support email you received in your play test mail

[waxen moat]

Okay thanks

[waxen moat]

Do they respond quickly?

[wild valve]

I agree with you, i wish the PDW where added to the recon class. But most of what i said is related to kind of picture the devs will paint with allowing everyone to just become a one man army

This is BANG on

[wild valve]

changing console language to English USA and redownloading made it work for me

[brittle dock]

or just have the same setup as BF4? perfect allocation.

[waxen moat]

No works :/

Does the support respond quickly or not guys?

[valid mesa]

Like I said, that runs into the issue what I mentioned about PDWs and it still has the issue that people tend to gather around Assault just because it has the AR.

[wild valve]

nope

[wind oyster]

it isnt

[mild rock]

I know it isnt its a question for the others who think it is

[wind oyster]

doesnt matter if its locked or open 🛏️

stop breaking NDA maybe

you did

[waxen moat]

Why et how ?

And*

[wind oyster]

the people playing within playtest isnt public info

you leaked that you are within the playtest

therefor you broke NDA

[obtuse crest]

there is a chat dedicated to current game tester so people can talk wihtout breaking the nda?

[modern hollow]

nope

[fresh cliff]

That’s a completely separate discord

That testers should get invited to

[obtuse crest]

mmh now i need to get in

[finite rivet]

Oh be quiet man about NDA you know people are going to break it

Don’t why dice even say it lol 😂

People will still break NDA

[robust fog]

Xbox series X forced hard reset constantly.

[brittle dock]

The purpose of this 72-Hour event is to be a stress test, there is no need to be providing feedback or tech requests, this is information and data that is gained passively from those within the Battlefield Labs program.

[dawn relic]

I got the RSVP email and it asks you to fill out a short survey bro..

Idk what process you had but it doesn't seem that way here lol I wish it was

[solid sigil]

would it be through email?

[half heron]

I wonder by day 3 if people will finally stop breaking the nda

[pulsar zealot]

nope lol

this is why we can't have nice things

[loud stag]

Question so will those allowed in for the stress test be asked to give feedback for the classes system?

[pulsar zealot]

they prob won't give a feedback part till after it's over I am assuming

[loud stag]

Right, Ik the newly admitted people playing as part of the stress test isn’t part of the original play test group but the devs should allow basically everyone to voice their opinion

Hopefully someone on the team sees this

[dusk ether]

You can discuss your thoughts on the class system in #community-update-classes , as long as the discussion doesn’t contain details that haven’t been publicly shared

[gentle star]

Literal minefield

[dusk ether]

Been jumping between so many channels I didn’t realise I linked this very channel

People are confusing me by posting the same thing in every channel

[drowsy hedge]

Work for me. Delete game, and " important" delete saved data of the game. Change language of the ps5 to english USA Redownloading the bêta with console langage in english. I have the same problem of you and is solved...

[waxen moat]

Okay thanks, i make its !

[vague valve]

someone a fix on pc. error there is a problem with the games setup please reinstal. i did that 3 times already

[waxen moat]

Great, thanks u !!

[mossy flare]

bf V has the best class system of the entire franchise

so much better than bf 4

[west smelt]

What the hell is going on, I try to join a server, says match found and it just sends me back to the lobby

[dusk ether]

If you’re in 2042 that seems to happen a lot, just gotta keep retrying

[west smelt]

I'll just say im not

[dusk ether]

Just keep trying then I guess

[pulsar zealot]

alot of people are in that same position and I do not believe so

its a stress test more than anything they probably sent out way more PS5 than PC invites

[inner inlet]

@pulsar zealot thank you

[faint remnant]

Pretty sure that's a legacy bug

I've had that in every BF game since 4

Does the problem persists after restarting??

[rose valve]

yes

keyboard razer huntsman v3 pro tkl + mice razer basilisk v3 pro

[faint remnant]

Basically, you clicked left mouse, it got registered as a hold-mouse event but for some frostbyte spaghetti related reasons, the listener for the mouse-up event wasn't registered. So now it is just endlessly waiting for a release event of a button that is no longer held down. And frostbite is special in that it doesn't actually recognize that if you click again, it probably should understand that it missed the mouse-up event somehow and should probably stop the hold-mouse-down event

Like the empty reload bug it will probably persist until a dev has an epiphany and suddenly realizes what the discriminating factor is

[faint remnant]

Man's speaking facts

Honestly, everything about BFV's gameplay was peak, it's a shame everything else about its design had the coherence of a mental patient

[rose valve]

I changed the keyboard to corsair k70 and it works.

[faint remnant]

Remember kids, if you want a WW2 game that moves throughout the war, you'd probably want to make that decision in the first 6 months of development instead of the last 6 months of development, so you don't end up with a thematically confused, unfocused mess at launch

[graceful trout]

.

[midnight grove]

You're telling me that classes and weapons are all unlocked for balance
Dammm This is good

[young pivot]

anyone know exactly where and how to get into the ea feedback loop with dice devs?

[dusk ether]

You can’t

Not for this test

[quaint pond]

they just stress testing the servers

[marble berry]

The stress testing of the servers shows a number of issues. Like getting stuck on a 'deploy' screen in between rounds, spawning into a black screen with an aiming cursor and gamertags running around. had to reload four times on Friday and three times already today.

[errant sail]

still havent recieved a code from ea, nothing on ea play last time i checked

[dusk ether]

People aren’t even incorrectly discussing labs in the right channel

[ruby mist]

Funny bc i just gained access to my real gmail i used for the playtesting sign up

and i still havent gotten an invite

which is ok

bc na playtesting just started i think

But I guarantee I wouldn’t break nda like a lot of these people who had the luxury of accessing the game early have done so far

I don’t like spoilers

[dusk ether]

They could at least break the nda in the right channel lol

[ruby mist]

This is the correct channel for the labs discussion of the new update for the class system, correct?

I and many others agree that they should’ve kept the class system from 4. If I reinstated that opinion it’d be repetitive.

And it’s honestly not likely to change.

[dusk ether]

Yeah we can discuss the public blogs about stuff, that’s fine

And don’t worry about being repetitive, if it’s what you think, it’s what you think

[ruby mist]

Yes, I would not discuss anything about the playtest itself here

as that would break the NDA.

[dusk ether]

Genuinely the first person over the last 2 days I’ve heard say that. Good on you

But yeah

Honestly I even feel like bf4 took it a little too far in the universal direction. Carbines although weaker were still potent. I’d much prefer just straight locking them like bf1

[ruby mist]

See I like it either way, bf4 took it to the extreme, sure, and everyone had access to carbines

but it was definitely on the side of class lock

[dusk ether]

But hearing other opinions on the matter has it feeling like many more people just want the weapon as opposed to the class playstyle that weapons compliment s

[ruby mist]

I’m interested to see any opinions on the opposite side of the spectrum

[dusk ether]

Reddit has a fair few

[unique ore]

is there a section for actual feedback in this discord? the public feedback page of ea help mentions a private channel

[ruby mist]

It’s listed in the battlefield labs warning channel

[dusk ether]

One major point is the situation where someone may, for instance, want to play an ar but not a medic in bf4. So they’d use the ar but not actually play the kit

Or when they don’t want to use an lmg so they never play support for ammo

I know when I play I go kit first and play around the weapon, and that’s fun. But those are two examples that do have some level of merit to them

[ruby mist]

Fair enough, but running a sniper as an assault character?

Or an LMG as a recon

[unique ore]

damn it that's a shame

[ruby mist]

The whole point of the class system is to enforce different playstyles

[dusk ether]

Got their own pros and cons, sniper assault is lots of fun

[ruby mist]

and when you “wash” the weapon choice to all classes it just makes the classes seem more inept

and irrelevant

the strongpoint of playing a recon or a support character in 4 or 3, was that you had a specialized group of weapons, and people would to you for either reconnaissance or lmg support

such as suppressive fire in long waves

[dusk ether]

In theory they are trying to make the class kit itself stronger to try and really differentiate itself through that, not just weapon

[ruby mist]

I agree with that

but could they not go hand in hand?

Boosting the equipment each class, making the class selections even more potent?

And decipherable?

[dusk ether]

To share my two pennies, I feel the lack of class weapon restrictions would do two things

• Prevent balancing the strength of a kit by the available weapons
• Add much more variance to potential teammate positions when you need them

If they want to make the classes stronger to make them unique, then everything would end up a powerhouse since there’s no weapon balancing

[ruby mist]

That’s a very good point, and I suppose we’ll see how it goes in the coming playtests

But it’s my opinion that if majority of players disagreed with that side

they’d still decide to go along with the universal weapon system for all

unless the difference in buffs they mentioned are really strong

I doubt the playerbase would side with it in a majority

[dusk ether]

I’m incredibly on the fence about this topic overall

[ruby mist]

Well, I for one am excited to try it out

I’ve been avoiding all the leaks

they’re so dumb. I hate leaks. Especially for GTA 6, a highly anticipated game as well that I will thoroughly enjoy

[dusk ether]

There have been some leaks of some of these ‘training’ perks a few months ago and they do seem strong and very class playstyle focused. That’s as much as I’ll say.

Which could be where their attempt to really differentiate and specialise may come from

[ruby mist]

Haven’t seen them, I don’t pay attention to the context of the video

most of them just record their gameplay

which is just a graphics display to show how truly awesome this game will be

imo

[dusk ether]

Yeah I’ve refrained from critiquing anything in labs since you cannot possibly draw parallels with similar things to estimate how it actually plays, and can only properly critique it when you play

And judging its visuals is also a fools errand since it’s intentionally an early build

[ruby mist]

Which, even given the pre-alpha footage

it still looks, sounds, and play amazing, according to the sneak peak that dice and ea have shown

not even the leaks, which are accurate to that mini-trailer as well

From what I can tell, they are really truly bringing this product back to life and revitalizing it to appeal to the original community

And no, I have no problem with female soldiers or “woke” agenda they so vaguely say when they hate anything that isn’t according to their normal perspective

I actually enjoy the progressive nature of it.

[dusk ether]

Yeah I don’t care at all about it either

[ruby mist]

It’s just like assassin’s creed. The followed the exact formula and made it even better tbh as previous years

but since it was a black man and an asian woman, they decided to hate on it furiously without trying it

[dusk ether]

But in general, Vince’s statement back when the game was announced sounded great

[ruby mist]

I beat shadows, it was a pretty good game.

Those people are just grifters

and can’t accept anything outside their small-minded world view

[ruby mist]

Which statement are you referring to

[dusk ether]

The initial interview about it

[ruby mist]

In the original labs trailer?

Is it shown?

[dusk ether]

Many many months ago, just text

[ruby mist]

Do you have a link to an article

I’d like to read it, if you don’t mind

[dusk ether]

Bear with

[pure zinc]

Incels hate women in video games, so much of this fanbase I've seen come out the closet to reveal themselves as closet incels, its sad really

Its VIDEO GAME

It doesnt matter

😂

[dusk ether]

https://www.ign.com/articles/exclusive-first-battlefield-concept-art-revealed-vince-zampella from September

[lilac flicker]

I actually think it's good the way you've divided it up.

What needs to be done, though, is for each class to have different assault rifles – for example, an AK74 for assault, but not for support.
So that each class has very specific weapons to choose from, and not the entire range.

In addition, it should also be the case that when you level up a class, you only get that class level – not that with the assault, for example, I get the sniper level and the weapons.

Each class must have its own leveling tree.

The same goes for weapons. You only unlock the attachments when you play them, not through a higher rank.

[valid mesa]

Hmmm, that might get bit too confusing. Delta Force did a bit something like that where some classes had same weapon types but one class had only that weapon type partially and missing lot of the full arsenal.

[buoyant echo]

Ich durfte bis jetzt immer koch nicht dran teilnehmen, ob wohl ich mit seit Anfang beworben habe, aber so man gerade über das Klassen Update schreibt, klingt es für mich nach dem zu letzt eingeführten Klasse Update in 2042

[drowsy hedge]

Works for you ?

[lilac flicker]

That's also a possibility.

The main thing is that we take the right path together and break away from mechanics found in every generic shooter—because that's Battlefield 🫡

[ruby mist]

Exactly

I feel like with the universal weapon system it’s too close to cod’s system for weapons

where anyone can run anything at anytime

Battlefield has always been a niche shooter

[valid mesa]

Yeah like I get the concerns from both sides. Like regarding the concerns of having unlocked weapons but also avoiding pit falls that old class system has brought, like for instance everyone running Assault for the AR but also prevent issues like support having a sniper rifle. So I was thinking. Why should the "main" weapon be only for one class, why couldn't we allocate weapons based on the class they would likely be used on.

That's why I made that proposal. I was thinking that with allocating weapons like that, each weapon type would have 2-3 class options to use, with carbine being a weapon available for all classes and sniper rifles being the only one that's exclusive to Recon. That in my opinion could be a viable middle ground to give the player choice to better fill their role while also being reasonable and fitting with the classes.

[ruby mist]

they had that in 4

it won’t bother me too much as long as the classes are setup to buff their class’s weapon system providing an advantage to using a certain class with a certain weapon

rather than anythijg

[lilac flicker]

That's a great approach, I support it.

The main thing is that Battlefield needs to rise above the crowd again. As @ruby mist said earlier - Battlefield has always been a niche game, and what it once was - needs to come back.

[lone scaffold]

I have a very tiny suggestion

[lilac flicker]

Battlefield didn't become the Battlefield it is by copying all the others—no, Battlefield was and still is unique, and that was forgotten.

No one is against innovations, but the tried-and-true legacy features that define Battlefield must be brought back, and without exception.

[lone scaffold]

Give the support the smoke grenade launcher
Thx

[ruby mist]

Grenade launchers have been given support further beyond other platforms such as the sniper and the lmg

[lone scaffold]

For like revives and stuff

Like in V

[outer osprey]

Given gamers often gravitate towards some really big name franchises, sure, but honestly? I don't really give much of a thought about class locking weapons being a huge identity in battlefields

[lone scaffold]

Where medics had the smoke grenade launcher

[outer osprey]

In Battlefield V, medic is VERY side graded vs assault until the Japanese SMG appeared out of nowhere

I used to run MP40s and Stens and while they does work, it won't beat the players who knows how to use their VG1-5 or StG44s

[lone scaffold]

I think LMGs and snipers should really be the only true class locked weapons ngl

[outer osprey]

LMG that's up for debate

I always like to think more of a weapons class split before we move on deciding which class gets which etc

[lone scaffold]

Yeah

I think support needs nearly every weapon except dmrs and snipers

Especially with the specialization system

[outer osprey]

Like splitting ARs and DMRs to ARs, BRs, DMRs

LMG should defo be split into LMG and MMGs too

Esp since I think people would like a MG with better ergonomics.... Otherwise people would just drum mag every AR ever

Modern weapons is about the variety and it is way less limited than what we have seen in Battlefield 1 where assault were forced to use SMGs and shotguns

[mint crown]

Who can help me on battlefield 5 to get my last part of my gun gold.I need 3 people to help Its the Lee Enfield to get 10 headshots in the objective area

The way to find is need help

Who can help me on battlefield 5 to get my last part of my gun gold.I need 3 people to help Its the Lee Enfield to get 10 headshots in the objective area

The way to find is need help

[ruby mist]

This is not the discussion area for that

@mint crown

[lilac flicker]

But then you're different from almost everyone else.

Because it's a fact that most people want exactly that back.

Regarding the Battlefield 5 Medic. Yes, the weapons were very weak at the beginning, that's true. But this was patched over time, and I, as a Medic and Support Main player, can tell you - even before the Pacific update, the weapons were well balanced. I mean, not every weapon is META, as every Battlefield player knows.

But this is also NOT about META weapons like in ALL generic shooters.

This isn't Battlefield. It never was Battlefield. Battlefield is a big sandbox where there are epic battles, whether in a tank, plane, as a sniper in a building, or the Medic who sacrifices himself for his team to win the match, unlike the Medics who constantly heal themselves because they think it's more important to get more kills than to work together as a team and achieve victory together.

At least that's how I see it

[finite osprey]

i mean medics gonna self heal whether the classes are locked or not

[lilac flicker]

They should, but that wasn’t the point

[ruby mist]

They also need to bring back squad mics

Too

to communicate with your team

[lapis swallow]

Cant lie, after playing it, I dont understand why an engineer can use a sniper. They are supposed to be in the fight reparing and shit. LOCK GUNS TO CLASSES.

Its such a stupid choice man

[lilac flicker]

WTH ?? Are you serious ?? DICE Please 😭

[finite osprey]

engineers could also use DMRs so this comment make no sense

[lapis swallow]

Don’t like that either but at least DMRs can be up in the fight

[finite osprey]

so can a sniper

[lapis swallow]

They can, but this isn’t Cod. People are running around quick scoping

[finite osprey]

U don’t need to quick scope to use a sniper up close

Just take off the sight

[lapis swallow]

No and you don’t need to wipe after you shit, but it’s still expected.

[finite osprey]

Or use a 1x or 2x

[finite osprey]

Ur complaining about y something that was in the older games

[lapis swallow]

All I’m saying is classes should be unique. The fact that they aren’t is lame.

[finite osprey]

That wasnt ur argument u said a eng shouldn’t bee able to use a sniper

[lapis swallow]

Trust me man, you are in the minority lol

[finite osprey]

says who?

Ur make up number u pulled from reddit?

[lapis swallow]

The copious amounts of news articles talking down on it. In this discord it wasn’t liked either.

[finite osprey]

news article and discord = millions of bf players ok man

there only 300k ppl in here and not even half showed dislike to it

[lapis swallow]

The people who care enough to join a discord or report on it lmao

[finite osprey]

u mean the nostalgic ppl who dont know what they want?

[lapis swallow]

Battlefield fans lol. When did you start playing? BFV?

[finite osprey]

3

played a lil of bad company 2 aswell

[vagrant badge]

I personally think weapon restrictions are needed, not to bring up another game but in delta force there is a certain overpowered recon that not only has a busted kit but can also run around with and at and smg. I feel like that somewhat diminishes the purpose of the roles a bit.

Recon ideally is supposed to sit back and scope out the scene and look for enemies not frontline

[finite osprey]

comparing delta force to battlefield 💔

[unborn marten]

In BF3 Recon usees Shotguns

[finite osprey]

recon can also use carbines

[unborn marten]

in BC2 too

[lapis swallow]

They’re similar games?

[dusk ether]

Having strong class kits and not being able to limit weapon capabilities to counteract that is a valid concern

[vagrant badge]

I’m not comparing I’m more so saying like the idea of it in practice i just don’t like

[finite osprey]

battlefield games are same game as delta force im so sure

[vagrant badge]

But how often

[unborn marten]

a lot

usas and c4

[lapis swallow]

Large scale fights, 128 players, conquest and rush, what are you talking about

[unborn marten]

every round

[vagrant badge]

Maybe my memory is just shot then

[lapis swallow]

It’s literally a copy of battlefield to take some of the people who were disappointed with BF2042

[finite osprey]

128 players is only in 2042 the rest of bf is 64 players

hence why it didnt work in 2042

[vagrant badge]

Pretty much yeah, except ion think it’s 128

[pastel tangle]

I would prefer guns be locked to classes like old battlefields. anything that helps lend to you needing to rely on others in a squad. This generally makes you squad up so you can work objectives together. A compromise to extend beyond this would be to make it so that if you use a gun for "x" amount, it unlocks for other classes.. make the requirements high too so that you have to sacrifice to earn it

[vagrant badge]

I just feel like the game flowed better with restrictions

[pastel tangle]

I agree

[lapis swallow]

Lmao whatever dude. Contrarian ass. Just gotta disagree to disagree.

They are in the same genre. Large scale warfare for games.

[finite osprey]

contrarian cause all ur reason are bs and make no sense💔

[edgy tide]

Call me basic but if they just copy and pasted BF4 I would’ve ate that up.

[finite osprey]

i mean cod also has large scale warfare u gonna say its the same too?

[lapis swallow]

No it doesn’t. It has a battle royale and 6v6-10v10

[vagrant badge]

I feel people are more willing to play into the class role with restrictions sure you can use a carbine and shotgun but mostly people played along with their kit

[finite osprey]

cod has groundwar which is large scale warfare

[unborn marten]

the weapon restriction should only apply to the sniper class

[lapis swallow]

Not anymore. It hasn’t for like 3 games lmao

[vagrant badge]

No that’s just my main example

[finite osprey]

mwIII or II literally has it

[lone scaffold]

Then just play bf4

[lapis swallow]

Okay 32v32. That’s not battlefield. It’s also a game mode, not the main focus. Moron. Delta Force’s main mode is conquest.

[vagrant badge]

Engineer lmgs Ars assault Smg support Sniper recon

Then the universal guns

[lilac flicker]

I really liked the scoring system in Battlefield 5 - Squad-based scoring system

[finite osprey]

u siad large scale 32v32 is large scale

and im pretty sure rush is 32v32

[lapis swallow]

You’re being obtuse lmao.

[finite osprey]

am i wrong?

[lone scaffold]

Honestly

Recon should really be the only class locked class

[lapis swallow]

Yes. You’re missing the point of what I’m saying. Delta and BFs main focus is 64 v 64 large scale. CoD is an arcade shooter 6v6 that has one large scale game mod s

[mystic escarp]

exactly

[finite osprey]

it still a larscale mode doesnt matter if its a side one

and bf has modes with 16v16 and 32v32

not just 64v64

[lone scaffold]

Ngl there should be a 5th class

If there was then I would be fine with class restrictions

[finite osprey]

what would be the 5th?

[lone scaffold]

But support needs ars and carbines cause they re medics

[lone scaffold]

Medics

[lapis swallow]

Class restrictions make more sense than adding a 5th class. BF4 had the best system, regardless of shotguns, carbines etc.

[lone scaffold]

Nah

Bfv did but that was mostly because of attrition

Bfv forced the fact that you needed medics

In bf4 most of the lobby were medics

[edgy tide]

Yea I agree I felt way more involved as a medic in Battlefield 5

[vagrant badge]

They have carbines

[lone scaffold]

In bf4 it was so redundant

[lone scaffold]

Yeah Ik

[dusk ether]

In part due to them having the best rifle, so those who play for the weapon will already be the medic

[edgy tide]

Plus they’ve had 5 classes before

[vagrant badge]

Smgs over Ars for support

[lone scaffold]

Exactly

[lone scaffold]

Eh

[vagrant badge]

Ideally support is running side by side with assault in the front line

Ars and smgs

[pastel tangle]

its always been squad based until the 2042 fiasco

[lone scaffold]

Yeah but this is a casual game

That’s my problem with ppl wanting a more involved commander system

I play all sorts of shooters

From arcade to milsim

[finite osprey]

was it really?

[lilac flicker]

💯 ✅

[lone scaffold]

Bfv was honestly the best at forcing teamplay

[edgy tide]

Agreed

[vagrant badge]

I do like the call ins in bfv

[finite osprey]

running around as assault in bf4 and not healing or reviving so squad based 🔥

[lone scaffold]

It felt way more rewarding to save or supply teammates

Also defibs should get buffs

[vagrant badge]

I was praying this game would have call ins like the v2 rocket in bfv

Another incentive

[pastel tangle]

the guns were also limited in classes and was more restrictive.. you had to make choices

[lone scaffold]

And mmgs in bfv were powerful

[lapis swallow]

I would like to go back to a locked class system but they won’t. There needs to be a bigger reason to use certain classes at this point. Why would I ever run support? 99% of people don’t love Lon enough to run out of ammo anyway.

[pastel tangle]

once they allowed people to be medics, with rockets and whatever gun they wanted, squad play become useless to people as they were their own one man army that could handle vehicles, keep themselves alive, etc

[lone scaffold]

Yeah

[finite osprey]

i mean there were plenty of good guns to choose from wasnt really a limit

[pastel tangle]

yea, not saying there wasnt guns. I liked it.. you just couldnt use a sniper as a medic, etc

[vagrant badge]

Agreed

Breakthrough in bfv is peak

[edgy tide]

Ong

[finite osprey]

but u could use a dmr as a medic

[edgy tide]

Idk why some people didn’t like BF5 attrition

[pastel tangle]

yea

[lapis swallow]

I just prefer modern day shooters. BFV was dope but after a while it just got old.

It also seems like they stopped supporting it b fast

[lone scaffold]

Attrition is underrated

[edgy tide]

I found the biggest problem was with five was the lack of content plus that whole fiasco that happened before the launch.

ifykyk

[vagrant badge]

Loved grand operations too

[lapis swallow]

Yeah I miss those.

It felt like what you did made a bigger difference as it carried over

[lone scaffold]

Medics should
Get carbines
Smoke grenade launchers
Defibs
Throwable medic packs and stuff

[edgy tide]

So just like BF5

[lone scaffold]

I’m fine with assault being anti infantry as long it’s mostly a grenadier approach

And the other classes can catch up with them in a firefight

[lapis swallow]

Underbarrels, extra grenades, mortars, stuff like that.

[vagrant badge]

I pray it drops this year

[lapis swallow]

Maybe a 5th class named medic would be a good idea.

[lone scaffold]

I feel like 6 should take advantage of the subclass specialization

Medic should definitely be a thing

[finite osprey]

what guns would medics get?

[pastel tangle]

they used to have more classes in the original battlefields

[lone scaffold]

Support and recon are really specialist roles
Realistically and even in game

[edgy tide]

1942

[pastel tangle]

medic, assault, support, engineer, recon

[lone scaffold]

Carbines and smgs

[lapis swallow]

Give them PDWs, health and defib, smokes, armor maybe.

[pastel tangle]

bf2, bad company 2

was it bf3 they started combining things?

[finite osprey]

bad coampany 2 only had 4?

[edgy tide]

I think so?

[finite osprey]

ass eng medic recon

[pastel tangle]

been so long, I can't remember

[finite osprey]

i knwio what ur talking about tho

i think ive seen that somewhere too

[lone scaffold]

Pdws are overrated

Carbines are best for a medic class

[pastel tangle]

yeah, it was bf2 that was the last one with more classes

[lone scaffold]

Can win in a gunfight with an assault but can’t win at a range

[finite osprey]

doesnt sounds too bad

[pastel tangle]

I remember the ranks were wayyyy longer as well

[edgy tide]

So would our five classes be:
Assault
Engineer
Medic
Support
Recon

?

[lapis swallow]

Yes

Assault is ARs, grenedier shit, maybe mortars and offensive shit. Engi stays the same. Medic takes SMGs/carbines and health stuff, maybe armor too. Support stays the same and recon same.

[edgy tide]

I like that idea a lot.

[pastel tangle]

when I played with squads back in the day someone would go support.. nowadays, unless you have that squad of friends heading in.. I never see squads communicate roles

[finite osprey]

Yea it’s been like that for a while now

[lapis swallow]

It brings purpose back to the classes to a degree

[pastel tangle]

that's what they need to fix

[finite osprey]

Maybe

[lapis swallow]

Yeah, I haven’t heard any squad chatter or support in the PT so far. Maybe it’s just bc it’s an alpha but it’s silent.

[pastel tangle]

anyone else playing the playtest right now?

[finite osprey]

Or it would just make some classes appear less often.

[lapis swallow]

Then the devs need to make those classes more important.

[pastel tangle]

you need to be a team/squad player though too

if you join a squad in a tank.. go engineer, etc

[edgy tide]

I love the five classes idea. To add on I think you kinda need a certain level of attrition to make medic and supports actually be important. I think someone already said this earlier.

[plucky cypress]

anyone on the playtest having crashing issues?

[lapis swallow]

Twice so far

[edgy tide]

Not yet

[lone scaffold]

Recon should be uncommon
And supports are somewhat less common

Recons I would say aren’t a big 3

Heals, ammo, and AT

[plucky cypress]

I cant play...every time I load into a match it freezes or completely crashes

then the app will not start have to restart my PC

[lapis swallow]

Well also, I can say for certainty that recon is basically extinct in the PT. Maybe it’s the map, but there are none so far

[edgy tide]

I’ve ran into a few of em.

But yea it’s definitely because of the map size

[lone scaffold]

Eh

I won’t discuss about

It cause ya know

[lapis swallow]

Yeahhh

There is nowhere to voice concerns tho. Why give us a playtest and not allow feedback

[dusk ether]

It is strange that that’s their approach

[tropic badge]

Played since 2142 but have to say BFV is a favourite of mine

[lapis swallow]

BFV fucked for sure. I just prefer modern day. BF 3 will always be my favorite

[dusk ether]

They could even give you access to whatever channels you need and just revoke access once it’s done. If anything this way they are getting less feedback than if the game was actually fully out

[lapis swallow]

Or even do it in EA forums like Madden betas do

[tropic badge]

I just like the movement and the sense of squad play (why the locked weapon roles is important) , the player one liners , sound fx , player chatter , quite immersive backwards crawling from arty fire or getting knocked off feet from a near by v1

Server browsers and map rotations keep the pace going as well , good to be able to carry on playing against or with the same people.

https://www.youtube.com/live/kbc6sogWKhw?feature=shared - Stodeh’s thoughts on the class situation , JFrags been fairly quiet about it so far

[waxen cypress]

I agree

[waxen cypress]

I agree x2

[weary owl]

x3

[gaunt lodge]

I think the classes roles and grouping should be incentivized.

for sure let people play how they want but add one layer of strategy to reward loyalty uniformity / falling in line. and Side objectives.

Meaning small to large group synergy boons

squads are what like 13 cats. 1 sqd leader and 3 teams of 4.. each team is whatever class/role they want but

Say if you play your role/kit = bonus, if you play
a fire-team with all classes = bonus, if fire teams stay together/ complete side tasks = bonus.

And if you progress together from match to match bonus. (that last one should speed up matchmaking.)

example:

conquest_ overall move forward hold key points we know this. but also

You have a squad leader trying to command the chaos in theatre. hes a target. one fire team may be assigned a side task to keep him alive that match and will rack up points the longer they succeed.

Another team may have a task to kill they opposite squad leader any way possible.

main objective + supporting tasks + synergy bonus = incentivized large to small group cohesion.

Direct communication from squad leaders to fireteam leaders would be cool. Meaning the squad leader is processing intel and issuing directives to all fireteam leaders. and fireteams are standing by waiting for their fireteam leader to say whats what.. sqd lead says F.T.-one go take a munitions depot or something and that successful task means the side unlocks mortar support or whatever. This chain of command and side tasks would help create and affirm the incentivized game loop.

[fallow girder]

hey every one ..maybe use BF2 class system but with small updates

[tidal smelt]

You find a fix?

[little thistle]

hey can assault ditch the stim and be given the health or ammo pack part from support thanks

[lilac flicker]

The game you are looking for is called "Squad"

[gaunt lodge]

No i meant as a sublayer for battlefield.

[lilac flicker]

The sublayer already exists and it is called Squad.

Are you familiar with the Squad game system?

But aside from that. I think we should stop using older Battlefield titles as a benchmark, like Bad Company 1 or 2. We should instead focus on the newer titles, what they did well, and then incorporate them into one game {Battlefield 2042 has no say in the matter}.

With the tried-and-tested legacy class system, a compromise will surely be found. The main thing is that Battlefield remains Battlefield at its core.

[gaunt lodge]

okay i hear you and i agree with you on battlefield staying battlefield. But it does have to inovate/evolve to stay competitive. when you say the game im looking for you mean the game system in battlefield ? If so were talking about the same thing im just posing the idea of a retool to optimize group engagement and by doing so reinvigorate the gameplay.

to clarify my meaning: google marine corps squad structure

[lilac flicker]

Battlefield has always been competitive. That's not just fanboy talk, it's a fact.

I always think team-based optimization is a good thing, but it has to fit the game. What you're imagining will never work in Battlefield.

I was born in 1985—I'm one of those retired people, as the younger generation so aptly puts it. ^^ But unlike today's gaming culture, we were lucky enough to grow up with it back then.

Of course, you have to adapt to the times, that's beyond question.

But you don't really think that most people would join in anyway?!

That's exactly why I keep saying: Nobody is against innovation. The game should adapt to the times. Not too fast, not too slow—the perfect middle ground, and for me personally, in terms of movement, that was Battlefield 5. It was perfect, plus the sliding. Perfect.

But the heart of Battlefield has to stay the same. Because that's what made Battlefield special - its legacy features

[gaunt lodge]

yeah same 84 and i started/fell in love with battlefield sniping on midway. Do i really think people would join in , absolutely not. didn't they try command with battlefield 4 ?

[mild rock]

If it makes you feel better you're still younger than battletech.

Seriously. Adding to this convo. I would like to see a focus on the class and its gadgets. With the freedom of the class encouraging them to play their role.

[gaunt lodge]

yes exactly, freedom but with direction. You'd have to force them, wait we cant say that wed have to penalize them if they don't comply.. wait let me try again_ we have to incentives willing active engagement. Which will reap greater rewards. otherwise its just another shooter just another game. and it shouldn't be a just another game it should be BATTLEFIELD.

[mild rock]

Too much freedom is bad as shown with 2042 before their class update but they had to change a system that wasn't meant for it which feels very half assed.

I said it before but if it means as a medic I can do my own things and keep the team healthy that is literally all I want.

[lilac flicker]

Best generation hahaha 😁

You answered your own question. Battlefield 4's Commander won't work either - not anymore.
Sure, the Commander was used in Battlefield 4, but that wasn't the norm.

[gaunt lodge]

one last thing about Squad / fireteam restructuring the math is sound and even weather they do 128 or 64 players its even teams and say you drill down one more level every match some poor shmo is promoted to CO. and he has ultimate authority to delegate large assets. trying to move the frontline. say you kill him its a nuke round over and if he that side wins he can go again until he dies or we find someone better.

[lilac flicker]

I tell you honestly, real life only begins at 30 😎

[little thistle]

Hey uhh, why can engi equip 2 launchers to spawn with 12 rockets total letting you 2 tap tanks or not rewarding points for destroying enemy at mines, ammo packs, or deployable cover?

[gaunt lodge]

No it was a failed innovation and it was scrapped but it was a half measure. there was no reason to participate and so it just took up resources this is not that.

.... cause its a pre alpha?

[gaunt lodge]

💯

[lilac flicker]

I always say ; I am in the prime of my life hahaha 🥂

[gaunt lodge]

cheers to that.

[fringe geyser]

hmm

[mild rock]

Nvm someone's as old as battletech

[lilac flicker]

🤣 😅 😎

[deft sky]

We have a containment channel lol

[austere rose]

Or "Six Days in Fallujah"

[gaunt lodge]

yeah... take a international vote. im not advocating for mill-sim im just answering the question what to do about classes. Its one piece to a larger issue. that being battlefield has become too much like all its contemporary competitors its recent iterations. Trying to please everyone is not the answer. Holding to legacy systems means nothing changes or improves. My answer isn't meant to reinvent the wheel or bait anyone. Im just saying i think the solution is all systems operating in tandem as one tight extremely satisfying gameloop that holds the attention of all types of players.

[gaunt lodge]

You say Squads and SIX days in fallujah.. i say what is their player base . they should want to play battlefield . Yeah and COD and pub g and Apex and fortnight and anything else with a trigger. The new battlefield should be so tight no one plays anything else. ill make it easier- marvel rivals has team synergy and helldivers has in mission multiple tasks. look ath those player numbers.

[shrewd comet]

I got accepted to the playtest but when i go to the Battlefield Labs tab in the EA app I get a 404 error. Anyone know how to fix?

[fresh cliff]

I know I’m about to sound like a doomer, but I legit think they’re trying too hard to appeal to the casual cod audience. The new features like double primaries on assault are just straight up ripped from cod and remove all aspects of having to make choices when making a loadout.

Pretty much every recent change I’ve seen them make to classes ruins any macro gaming that we used to have. Double primaries means you don’t have to worry about engagement distances or anything. You can just grab an ar and a shotgun and be set. Same thing with double launchers if they decide to make that “bug” an actual feature. It completely destroys all reason to think about what you pick. You used to have to actually react to how the game’s progressing to see if you wanted to use an anti air or anti ground launcher.

It’s just sad to see that they’re completely abandoning macro gaming and focusing on mindless gameplay

[gaunt lodge]

LABS is proof they are not completely abandoning anything i think. there is hope.

[fresh cliff]

Fair. I just hope they actually listen

Unlike what happened with 2042

[gaunt lodge]

same

[fresh cliff]

We can only pray that we don’t get a Santa skin situation again

[gaunt lodge]

snoop dog presents BATTLEFIELD 6 :))

god i hope not

[median geode]

Hello, how are you? I wanted to share my thoughts on the recent leaks and updates regarding Battlefield classes. Personally, I think weapons should be limited by class, precisely because we're talking about classes.

To give an example: it would be like playing a role-playing game with a class system and a knight using a wizard's staff... it just doesn't make sense.

Battlefield has always had a clear identity in this regard, and it would be good to maintain the essence of the classic games: each class having its own distinctive weapons and abilities. That's part of what gives the game depth and coherence.

[light quarry]

did you click the little download icon in the tile or the tile itself?

[fresh cliff]

#1375428094361468991

[gaunt lodge]

i agree with that. its the logical conclusion but not actualy how its been. I think how you describe it is a big part of how battlefield should be played. its the core of how i fondly remember legacy titles. That's why i think playing that way should be incentivized. While allowing people to play how they want. They want to ignore objectives a Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and shoot, cool. but when they go up against a tight nit fireteam their perspective will change. The way i see it if the game loop is good - really good and fun then they will adapt their behavior to win.

[mighty zealot]

That example doesn’t really work considering that a wizards staff is the only defining feature of a wizard(well besides the wicked hat they get wear).

Bf classes on the other hand are usually defined by what gadgets they get to use. Weapons only being secondary to their identity

Hell, lets look at bf4 which had 3 universal weapons category. Did recon deciding to use a carbine mean it’s no longer a recon?

[lone scaffold]

I think 5 classes is best ngl

Support should be split up into two classes

[keen fog]

I agree ammo support and medic should be split like in BF2 days.

[sick brook]

Medic should be its own role cause we're special 😄

[chilly pebble]

If it aint broke, don't fix it, BF3 and 4 tried hard to make the game what it was.

[pallid perch]

I want to play lab🥹

[mighty summit]

same here john

same here

😭

[pallid perch]

🥹 bro

[keen knoll]

It's very strange to have medic and ammo be in the same role. In BF4, Assault was a medic no?

[frank summit]

Classes in this game are so ass lol

Just make Assault the medic and support the ammo guy

no need to make assault the selfish class

that can carry 2 primaries☠️

and has healing stims

also DICE please get rid of the signature gadget. It's literally the 2042 system where you can have 3 gadgets instead of 2

[oblique badge]

it's absurd that I haven't received the code for the playtest yet, not even the confirmation by email. only the confirmation from the EaPlaytes site. I want to play

[frank summit]

Also vehicle controls are abysmal

BFV did it perfectly Idk why they can't just copy it

[frail meadow]

Non restricted weapons aside (which I want back) I think the classes are fine, the assault is so useless however

waste of a class. stim is the only thing it has going for it

[frank summit]

I respect your opinion but I DESPISE the Support decision

[frank summit]

*and can also carry 2 primaries like he has overkill from cod💀

[frail meadow]

I mean, while I think they are fine I don't feel that the current system adds anything to teh core gameplay loop so I'll always be for the OG system and hope they revert it all

[frail meadow]

yeah that's dumb, actually forgot about that

feels like no thought went into the assault other than making it brainless

grenade launcher is good tho ngl

but still yeah, old classes are much much better

[frank summit]

Also because of the "signature gadget" of the engineer being the repair tool, If I remember correctly he can carry 2 rocket launchers now😂

[keen knoll]

yeah assault literally feels useless. Alone he's just a run and gun guy with no other purpose and doesn't feel like he fills a role in a squad.

[brisk crow]

what sense got this channel?

[vagrant pebble]

Is this a feedback channel for classes?

[silver violet]

there was so much discussion that they had to make a temporary channel for it

[hearty sedge]

I don't case about weapon assignment for classes, but there should be a dedicated class for medic

[vagrant pebble]

Assault:

• ARs
• Shotguns
  Engineer:
• Carbines
• DMRs
  Support:
• Battle Rifles
• LMGs
  Recon:
• Sniper Rifles
• SMGs

Is how I would design classes. Combine carbines and ARs into one pool and split them into 3 categories(ARs, Carbines, BRs). No universals, no overpowered perks.

[finite osprey]

thank god ur not in charge of designing classes

[vagrant pebble]

How would you design them?

[finite osprey]

give support at lest smgs instead of battlerifles

[mild rock]

Why?

[dusk ether]

First time I’ve seen anyone not like the class gadget system

[mild rock]

Battle rifles work amazingly.

[dusk ether]

It literally guarantees that a class has something you need that is core to their kit

[mild rock]

3 gadgets might be edging it too far

[finite osprey]

it really doesnt i might aswell play recon

[vagrant pebble]

I'm not a fan of it either tbh. I would rather have 2 gadgets players can choose.

[mild rock]

Ah yes. Recon the class you use the scar h on.

Theyre not DMRs.

[dusk ether]

Walking up to an engineer and them not having a repair torch is the most annoying thing, this prevents that

[mild rock]

It also forces support to run ammo and health.

Or whatever their packs are.

[finite osprey]

both are gonna be semi automatic

[mild rock]

Battle rifles are full auto.

[vagrant pebble]

SMG recon makes perfect sense imo, gives recon a new playstyle like pistol carbines in BFV did.

[mild rock]

Scar h is a full auto full powered rifle.

[dusk ether]

Also this is near enough my exact plan for classes too

[frank summit]

THANK YOU!

[mild rock]

Now you cant reasonably run it in full auto in real life but who cares. Its a game.

[mild rock]

Keep in mind im for 3 gadgets depending how its balanced.

[vagrant pebble]

Many people wants BF4 system but I would rather want them to go back to BF1-V system with rigid classes with no universals. Really helps with readability of the game.

[frank summit]

Biggest problem for me is support. PLEASE make him the ammo guy and just make assault the medic

[mild rock]

If it means people have to run essentially gadgets like repair tool, defibs, i don't think its a loss.

[mystic escarp]

I heard someone say a sniper was shooting at them so they hid behind a wall and turns out, it was an engie that rocket launchered the guy through the wall. I wouldn’t have even thought of this scenario but maybe dice should look into some restrictions or something.

[stone tundra]

you can run rpg + gustav so

[mild rock]

Yeah I heard that was bugged.

[stone tundra]

surely

[mild rock]

You're not meant to actually run that combo.

[mystic escarp]

I hope engie can’t have two launchers

[mild rock]

(Also for some reason people are oversupplying themselves with rockets cause theres no limit currently)

Well last i heard.

[dusk ether]

Assault medic just makes so much sense, I’d advocate for it too

[frank summit]

I swear I once had 9 😭

[mild rock]

I could have misinterpreted it.

[finite osprey]

i like it too but most ppl wouldnt play medic part

[mild rock]

You're not meant to imply you were in.

People dont play the medic part anyways.

Players are stupid.

[frank summit]

was like that in previous games

[finite osprey]

yea and its annoying

[mild rock]

I think the pros for an open weapon system far outweigh the cons.

[frank summit]

eh I don't care. After this weekend I realized I'm not built for game testing. Waaaaay too unfinished for me

I'll let other people have fun

[mystic escarp]

I feel like 5 classes may be nice for BF6, I liked it in 1. Assault medic is fine but I feel like there is many things you can do.

[mild rock]

And the push for a stronger class identity with gadgets.

[mild rock]

To be fair. You knew what you were signing up for hah.

[mystic escarp]

I feel like there is more cons, but that’s just my opinion.

[frank summit]

Barely got revived by anyone

[mystic escarp]

Hopefully at least sniper and lmg may be locked

[frank summit]

Yeah but it's free and I was hyped. Had nothing to lose tbh

[mild rock]

By the way I want to make it clear. Any class can play ultra ratty no matter what.

[frank summit]

I wish I was billionaire. I would buy DICE, hire the og team and make a banger game

[mild rock]

Ive airbursted snipers off cranes, I've been blown up my claymores on the top of cranes.

[mystic escarp]

I know, just open weapons makes it much easier

[mild rock]

You cant prevent it all.

[mystic escarp]

And more common

[dusk ether]

If they made them use the public medkit over the pouch, then their desire to simply stay alive themselves would benefit others as the medpack would be accessible for all to use. Hence, even if they play selfishly they’ll be helping the team somewhat

[mystic escarp]

And more opritunities

[mild rock]

I dont see how it would be different versus an engineer blowing a wall to kill me with an SMG.

Infact there would be more opportunities for that to happen as they would be on the move.

[mystic escarp]

Snipers can one tap

And the guy though he was dealing with recon

Not an engie

[mild rock]

And so can a guy with a shotgun.

[mystic escarp]

I’m assuming it was past shotgun range

[mild rock]

Didn't you state an engineer with a rocket and sniper can blow a wall to the way to kill the guy.

[tacit ginkgo]

okay nvm

[mild rock]

Im not trying to attack you I just wanted to set it clear.

[mystic escarp]

Yes but the guy who said that happen hid because he though he was dealing with a recon because they had a sniper

And then turns out it was engie

Sorry for using like because so many times lol

[mild rock]

So false perception of who's shooting them.

While i get that

[mystic escarp]

Yes, open weapons causes that

[mild rock]

You're assuming the playerbase can use their brains.

[mystic escarp]

That guy did

[mild rock]

There are cons and it can happen but I dont see that as the single biggest problem.

[mystic escarp]

I feel like open weapons is like a lot of small issues that make up a big issue

They should at least lock sniper and maybe lmg, even though I probably want more restrictions

[keen knoll]

open weapons def causes issues

like, a lot

[stiff python]

Super simple way to fix it, Put what he had back in like Battlefield 4 ( Only with next battlefields guns etc )

[keen knoll]

yeah

[mild rock]

How would I word it.

[mystic escarp]

Also open weapons is causing huge PR issues because no one trusts dice. I feel like if they got battlefield back on its feet, then they could try something like this.

They shouldn’t try such different things until the series is stable again

[keen knoll]

well I wouldn't say THAT

[mystic escarp]

I’m not saying open weapons is good, as I’m mostly against

[keen knoll]

but this is one of the things that do make battlefield well. Battlefield

[mystic escarp]

I’m just saying if dice really wanted to, they should like wait for later

[mild rock]

I personally dont understand the sniper argument as in the grand scheme of the match they are largely just "there"

I personally cant speak on that issue because I have not had engineer snipers blowing open walls to get me. More often than not its tanks and well, engineers on the move with assault rifles trying to actually me versus the ones sitting back.

[keen knoll]

And on top of that, I feel like the large jump from closed to open is too much of a large jump

[mystic escarp]

Yeah

[keen knoll]

wait what do you want?

open or closed

[mystic escarp]

I’m just saying maybe wait for your franchise to be in a less rocky place

[mild rock]

Im advocate for open class weapons.

[mystic escarp]

I’m for closed

[keen knoll]

oh nah

[keen knoll]

oh yah

ok but why

bc like, I still wanna hear you out

[stiff python]

Check your email.

[keen knoll]

see me personally, BFBC2 had universal weapons right? There were class specific but some weapons like the ASVAL and some shotguns did work on all classes

[stiff python]

It SHOWS you how too.

[mystic escarp]

Me? It’s has worked for the battlefield games in the past but not in 2042. I specifically felt like it was a major reason why 2042 sucks to this day. I also just loved the synergy between classes.

[keen knoll]

Valid

[mystic escarp]

And also snipers and lmgs are kinda a class identity thing a bit

[keen knoll]

my issues with LMGs being one class is that nobody wants to play that class bc LMGs be slow as a mf 😭

[finite osprey]

Closed weapon is not the reason 2042 sucked

[keen knoll]

they gotta have at least another thing like PDWs

[mystic escarp]

I really didn’t like 2042 being open, that is an opinion thing and you may differ

[mild rock]

I had concerns over balancing. Playing with the franchise for... since bf3. But after giving it some thought, I cant say I am.

Bf4 pushed for all kit weapons and a variance of playstyles. I think thats great. But playing that it still felt like engineers primaries were largely inferior.

While I get you have a role. It feels counter intuitive to nerf yourself to so the role you wanted.

[hasty magnet]

i did everything. updated my rsvp like 6 times now. still doesnt get me access

[mystic escarp]

Like really didn’t like that in 2042

[hasty magnet]

now the playtest isnt available for me anymore

[gilded tiger]

Do not make the fault with weapons for all classes available, limit the weapons to several classes, that ever has been the sense, dont wanna see medics with RPG.

[mild rock]

Oh yeah fun fact. Its too early to be set in stone but supports lmg perk has no movement penalty.

[keen knoll]

not entirely. I wouldn't say it's the whole killer for it but i'm sure it played a lil bit of a role underneath the existing interesting class system. I enjoyed BF2042 for other reasons and sunk a lot of time into it but it really felt like I was playing on my own and not in a squad like previous entries

[stiff python]

That's because it ended.

[mystic escarp]

I feel like if roles get worse weapons, other stuff needs to make up for it or something

[stiff python]

It was only a weekend thing.

[dusk ether]

Or semi auto battle rifles as suggested earlier

[stiff python]

It ended on Sunday.

[keen knoll]

Yeah either is great, just something besides JUST lmgs

lmgs are still lovely but you may not want them ALL the time

[spice kayak]

sorry mate, but in the email don't tell any way to download the game.. the invite is disappear on the site.. wtf?

[hasty magnet]

no i got the slot for 25/5 from 10 am cest to 26/5 10 am

[mild rock]

I have a lot of things I want to say but honestly I'm being pulled away

[mystic escarp]

My #1 thing though is that the game is fun

[dusk ether]

BRs just make sense to me. Like, in bf1 the medic with a scoped slr could eliminate people holding strong defensive positions with precision shots that base assault can’t cause of spread, so they hang a little further back but still support the frontline

[keen knoll]

Yeah

[spiral saffron]

Read that post #1375428094361468991 message

[hasty magnet]

still typical ea stuff. just telling half you need

[keen knoll]

BR's and lmgs are prolly best ngl

[mystic escarp]

I never even tried firestorm but one of my friends said he loved bf5 br.

[keen knoll]

it was cool

[stiff python]

In the email it says and I quote " How to Download "

[mystic escarp]

I just keep hearing about battle royal on YouTube

[hasty magnet]

lol no.

[dusk ether]

And recons should definitely get smgs too. My dream would be for them to shift away from the ‘150m distance spotters’ and be more about clearing out buildings on the perimeter of a site, holding repeeks with snipers and watching said flanks

[mild rock]

But yeah. My argument for open weapon classes is because I want people to be able to play their ROLE more and not be hindered by the weapon class. As long as we don't have any fucking railguns or NTW's I'm fine with it.

[mystic escarp]

Support having battle rifles doesn’t sound like a bad idea, I like the sound of it

[stiff python]

It does and I can SS it.

How I know?

[keen knoll]

yeah there is an entire section for it lmao

[stiff python]

I'm looking at the Email

[mild rock]

Hardline had battle rifles.

THey were amazing there.

Actually amazing variant of support.

[spice kayak]

nope, any "how to download" ahahahhahaha

[dusk ether]

Given my experience with medic in 1 it just feels right

[keen knoll]

BR's in hardline were fun (wrong reply)

[hasty magnet]

lol not in my email. i have it open xD

[trail crow]

Same here, responded to the invite RSVP, got a slot for today, no follow up email and now playtest has disappeared from BF Labs. The emaild id no contain download instructions, maybe a seperate email will come todayl

[dusk ether]

Assault with medkits, support with ammo, created a nice natural rotation

[soft silo]

Have an empty mail for pre-alpha, so fun....

[hasty magnet]

even if im using search on that email with the word download it doesnt show 1 result

[silver quarry]

same here

[serene igloo]

What can we do if the invitation is on the wrong platform?

[spice kayak]

wo wo wo, check the game list in EA app, it's here !

[keen knoll]

only thing with assault technically being the only with medkits is it feels like support never has enough attention. Medic, Engineer, and sniper feel like they overshadow just being an ammo guy so there has gotta be some other thing to make it stand out a little bit

[little oracle]

. this

also hit download on the icon itself the page may not open initially

[mild rock]

Three gadgets and perks to push the way to play I would like to see.

[rapid marlin]

support had the tank repair on some games I think

[spice kayak]

see you in the game 😄

[hasty magnet]

ok ok you won bro.

[dusk ether]

True. Support for me always felt like just that, support. Other people need them for ammo and that’s it. Give them BRs and they may become a little more fun, with more precise weapons than assaults, but my solution would be to take bf1’s approach once again and give them long range grenade launchers of a sort

Not mortars though

I hate mortars with a passion

[keen knoll]

Grenade launchers would be nice! But I feel like there can still be something. Maybe a destruction tool beyond just RPGs

[hasty magnet]

sorry @stiff python you were half right. Thanks for help

[rapid marlin]

BF1 they had the limpit mine?

[silver quarry]

where can i find it ??

[stiff python]

Yeah so next time, Please don't tell someone who was invited and got the email that they are wrong. 🙂

[stiff python]

www.Checkyouremail.com/checkspamfolder

[umbral patrol]

If you dont see the game in your EA app close it and open it again. Worked for me

[dusk ether]

Here’s a silly idea, what about that limpet charge thing that cod had? Where you yeet it at a wall and it kills people behind it? Like fuse from siege? Would have some kill potential and keep them in their intended range

[keen knoll]

that would be kinda fire

lmao

[hasty magnet]

lower down in ur library

[keen knoll]

OOH, and tool to build cover kinda like in BFV but without set positions

THAT would be prettty dope

[dusk ether]

Then theoretically it behaves like the airburst but you’d get a warning and ample time to react

[hasty magnet]

well. i didnt got any how to download stuff. but it was in my library now.

[dusk ether]

I did consider that in my ‘class Wishlist’, but felt it would be more suited to engineers. Engineers have always been anti tank but I like the idea of them also being about defense - give them the ability to build fortifications, but maybe have the support build them slower or something

[stiff python]

Yeah it should be there. Just like my skate CPT For Skate 4

[keen knoll]

but then we run into the issue of engineers ALSO having the explosives like C4 or rocket launchers. So yeah it would be more suited if you had the option of one or the other, maybe then you could make it so support also gives them supplies which allows them to build those things

[mystic escarp]

I would LOVE building barricades in BF6.

[keen knoll]

REAL

Breakthrough would genuenly be like, so peak with barricades

[mystic escarp]

Sandbags and like barbed wire would be awesome

[keen knoll]

barbed wire especially

would be very nice

[dusk ether]

Yeah, Irish in 2042 felt perfect to me. You’ve got one gadget that does wall and aps, a proper defensive setup. While he did get moved to support, if that was an engineer gadget that lets them place defenses and work with supports to place more

[mystic escarp]

Maybe concrete half wall thingy

[keen knoll]

then support could potentially cut the barb wire, another use for them

[mystic escarp]

Yes

[keen knoll]

Yes

[mystic escarp]

Building is a pretty cool feature that I would love to see

[keen knoll]

me too

[dusk ether]

I do feel they should keep any kind of building system to set locations like v, just to avoid any absolutely overpowered defensive setups