battlefield-labs-discussion

[glad trench]

airstrafing in BF4

[crimson moss]

I mean you have to get kills to get the objective…?

[glad trench]

almost like bad players will always be bad no matter what movement system is in place

[crimson moss]

Be it outside of objectives or inside of it

[fair summit]

"boomer" "idiot" this is the best arguement zeethos has

.

[kindred haven]

wow superiority complex is crazy

[crimson moss]

Hes not wrong

A very large amount of players barely do anything within the 20-30 minute timespan

[glad trench]

nah taking development feedback from bad players who don't know the mechanics of the game they play is always dumb

[mint cobalt]

But capturing the objectives lowers the ticket faster, kills lowers one ticket

[crimson moss]

You cant capture or defend objectives without killing the enemies regardless

[fair summit]

but you had a very low flags capture rate, means you're not entitled to opinion about team play? obviously not.

every one is, no matter their stats

it's just playing to be elite

[crimson moss]

Its not like you just run into the objective and cross your fingers that your enemy gives up on playing hide and seek with you

[fair summit]

i can expect this arguement from a 14 years old

[kindred haven]

smartest bf discord member

[crimson moss]

My capture rate is low because theres no reason for me to full cap a flag

[kindred haven]

you have second place

[crimson moss]

Aslong as i secure the capture it doesnt matter if i actually stay there to capture it

What matters is keeping the momentum and map controll

If my majority of the team gets stuck on standing on a single flag it means that we are losing momentum and map control

[kindred haven]

that 1 second is really gonna make or break the game

[crimson moss]

Seconds matter a lot in battlefield yes

Because you can cover a lot of ground and position pretty quickly in a short time

[fair summit]

Point is saying your opinion is more worthy than another based on stats is stupid teenager elitism. games are made to have fun it and they all pay the same for it. this being "better than the mass" has brought 42 fans to delusional claims like the game "being healthy" even though Steams official player base charts clearly indicate otherwise.

[mint cobalt]

Well to be clear I am argument that capturing the objectives should always be top priority over kills

Capture first then kills

Unless it Rush…

Or breakthrough

[crimson moss]

You cant capture without clearing objectives

[covert nest]

You would be surprised how much can happen within the span of 10 seconds.

[crimson moss]

Steam reviews as of recent has had more posititve reviews than negatives

Its not a great game but its a decent game

[fair summit]

Yeah those left are the ones enjoying the game

[crimson moss]

Id much rather play 2042 over bf1

[fair summit]

Yeah no doubt. for kdr farmers weapons with no recoil are a better experience than bf 1 gunplay

[kindred haven]

what a take

[crimson moss]

No its because bf2042 has a much higher skill gap

And bf1 weapons might aswell be recoilless anyway

Its like 0. Something horizontal recoil

On pretty much any gun

[kindred haven]

wow engaging

0 recoils is engaging

[mint cobalt]

It was the false promises and the decision to remove the class system that hurt BF2042 the most

[crimson moss]

It was everything

Bad gunplay, bad maps, lead to bad engagement distances, bad gadget balance, bad vehicle gameplay

[fair summit]

I completely agree with.. both. It was everything but EKGERO corretly said "the most". The fact FOR MONTHS we're discussing this subject says a lot.

[crimson moss]

If the gunplay and map design was good it wouldve been a decent game despite the lack of classes imho

I wouldnt have cared personally

[mint cobalt]

Why do you think I said false promises?

[fair summit]

Obviously for every more positive element it would've been a better game. the BF 6 alpha has a open system and is anyway 10000 times better than bf 42.

even though i like it locked

i'd be a liar to say it's not a decent game

[crimson moss]

I still cant see a thing that makes it matter

A lot of people wont genuinelly care about open vs locked

Its just a very small amount of loud players that think it makes a difference in gameplay

[mint cobalt]

The truth is, they should have never got rid of the class system in BF2042,

Which yes what I mean is the specialist were the problem because it replaced an important feature that no one asked for to be replaced

[rugged seal]

their favorite youtuber from over a decade ago will make a video about it to tell then how to feel about it tho

[fair summit]

I agree again. many of casuals who'll play the beta because it's free they'll just click on the first button they see.

[kindred haven]

i think it matters alot

[crimson moss]

100%

[kindred haven]

anything that reminds people of 2042 will make them not wanna play bf6

[crimson moss]

No even gameplay wise it just doesnt impact anything

[fair summit]

you're again doing elitism. the mass is a band of sheeps and you're the smart one who rises above them.

[glad trench]

I can already hear xfactor struggling to breathe while complaining about open weapons

[crimson moss]

Either you play the game bad, having an open selection or a locked selection of weapons wont change that fact or you play good and it doesnt matter what weapon you play regardless

[mint cobalt]

If they had the class system with the specialist day one, nobody would’ve been complaining but that is my opinion

[fair summit]

why do you hate recons, anyway, scott? is it just a 42 thing or in general?

[rugged seal]

because its a useless class

[fair summit]

alright

bf 1 is the worst bf right? @rugged seal

[crimson moss]

Specialists shouldnt exist ingeneral

It overcomplicates the game, its easier to have a noname soldier with a role

[rugged seal]

ive enjoyed each of the games during the time i played them

[crimson moss]

Battlefield 1 is like painting a super pretty picture on a background that looks like indian streets or something

[rugged seal]

its actually possible for things not to be hate/love and you can dislike how things were done in each game but im not going to make a whole ordeal about it

[leaden kraken]

For me:

1
BC2
4
3
BC1
2042
1943

But that list changes a lot

[mint cobalt]

They could have went the Rainbow Six Siege route, separated the specialist into two faction, while also having the generic soldiers as a starter

[fair summit]

For me 2, 1, 3, BC2, 4, 5, 42

[kindred haven]

some games are missing

[crimson moss]

Like yes you open bf1 you hear good music, you have a nice menu, selecting games you want to play is accessible, theres a lot of depth for weapon information, map information, gadgets etc in codexes which is a nice level of detail

But then you go ingame

[leaden kraken]

That's just the ones I played

[crimson moss]

You have very restrictive movement, sweetspot that rewards lower accuraccy players, suppression that rewards lower accuraccy players, gadget spam thats unavoidable most of the times because you cant throw back grenades

[leaden kraken]

I honestly like 2042 in its current state but it's not the best Battlefield game

[kindred haven]

pickle bf1 is one of the most successfull games in the framchise

[crimson moss]

Terrible map design

[mint cobalt]

My from when I started
BF1
BF3
BF4
BF2042
BFV
BFHardline

[kindred haven]

this doesent just happen thats because the game is very good

[leaden kraken]

I forgot V, I rank it below 3

[crimson moss]

Its popularity doesnt mean anything though, look at past 10 years of cod

[fair summit]

I'm a big fan of sweetspot it made scouts useful and enjoyable. And I never heard much criticism about being killed by a sniper.

[crimson moss]

Its been way more larger than battlefield, would you say that cod is a good game purely based on the sheer numbers of people that bought the game on release?

Its a very senseless argument to make

[mint cobalt]

The only reason BF2042 is above 5, is because Exposure is the better DLC map then PanzerStorm

[glad trench]

it happens because it's the only BF to not be broken as shit at launch

[crimson moss]

It made scouts boring because it took less effort to confirm kills

[glad trench]

lmao what?

[leaden kraken]

I don't mind the restrictive movement, I like the "clunky" feel, I think it fits the setting. I don't mind suppression that much either. Sweetspot is annoying though

[crimson moss]

In previous titles you had 2 body 1 head rifles, meaning the game rewarded you for being more accurate and hitting headshots

Which = skill rewarding game

And id much rather a game that rewards skill instead of a game that diminishes skill gap purely to appeal to bad players that could get good but are too uninterested

[crimson moss]

Restrictive movement made grenades unavoidable a lot of the times because theres no real way to avoid them, made rotating between positions harder, made the game too lenient on holding angles leaving very little options to breaking that angle

Also thats why gadgets are semi overpowered because you cant open corners or angles with mixed up peek options or mixed movements through held positions

Which made the game extremely grenade/dynamite heavy

Which again diminishes skill

[mint cobalt]

As long as BF6 has crouch sprinting I am fine with that (-v-;

[crimson moss]

Also the battlefield has always had a lot of movement options, battlefield 1 is the only exception in the franchise that lacks that skill gap

[leaden kraken]

I understand your point, but I feel like that didn't hinder my enjoyment of the game. Though I play very casually

Like I didn't find the movement was the reason I died a lot, which would be annoying

[crimson moss]

The movement is very often the reason someone dies tbh because you either fully commit to something or dont without movement

[mint cobalt]

Let’s just hope BF6, doesn’t suffer Air vehicles problems in BF4

[crimson moss]

It also decreases options within gunfights, for example someone is shooting me from left, i react with a slide to maybe have a chance of him missing which should be relatively low chance for a player within a position and battlefield having very easy to master gunplay mechanics

[kindred haven]

yeah lets hope no sliding bs

[crimson moss]

Even if my odds of actually surviving and being able to react to that player is super slow as is it wouldnt even exist if there was no slide at all

And keep in mind it takes much more effort for me to react to someone with a slide, rotate my aim on the enemy player whilist mid movement phase, fix my aim and shoot

Oh and having to react to where the player is even at

Within the duration of the time that it takes for me to do all that he couldve killed me easily if that player didnt miss

So again theres just another skillgap element

Like the reason that player lost the gunfight for example wasnt because of the slide but it was due to him missing on me

[mossy marten]

slide is already in game

[crimson moss]

The players that dont want slide are very delusional ingeneral

Ive had people say bf5 slide is too fast

#streams-and-videos message

Slide in question

[glad trench]

they're just bad

I was linked this guy's stats. He's a 0.8 K/D player

like sliding or no slide is going to matter for him

[kindred haven]

in bf4?

[crimson moss]

People dont realize that having movement makes the game easier for even the lower skilled players

[kindred haven]

in b1?

bf3?

[crimson moss]

Bf6

[kindred haven]

bf6 better not

not even the finals has this shit

[crimson moss]

Bf4 and 3 didnt need slide because bf4 had airstrafing and jump peeking

3 had chain jumping

[mossy marten]

the finals has a slide, albeit a short one

[kindred haven]

yeah no shit

[mossy marten]

but yes, BF6 has a slide

[kindred haven]

but there is a differ4nce between having slide

[crimson moss]

A short slide is completely fine

[kindred haven]

and getting a boost when sliding

like cod

[crimson moss]

What about bf5 slide

[mossy marten]

no because it lets you change direction while sliding /s

[crimson moss]

Imo the best slide so far

[kindred haven]

bfv idk didnt play much but knowing it was made by what now is embark i would say probably fine

[crimson moss]

Yeah but its short and slow

[mossy marten]

it was sarcasm lol (the /s)
BFV slide the best, 2042 slide second best

[crimson moss]

Yeah

[kindred haven]

best alide is no slide

[crimson moss]

Well tbf theres only 3 games with the slide mechanic

[mossy marten]

4*

[kindred haven]

no slide, no crouch spamming, lean spamming, etc all bs, if this game is any good they wont have any of those

[crimson moss]

It wasnt a slide persay

[mossy marten]

BF6?

[crimson moss]

Like it was but not really

Bf4 “slide” was more of you gliding across the ground with momentum you got from the air

[mossy marten]

so you want civil war sim
"HOLD THE LINE MEN, DON'T SHOOT UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THEIR EYES"

[crimson moss]

Which is something used for peeks

[weak obsidian]

bro I think you're just bad 😭

[mossy marten]

BF1, BFV, 2042, BF6
4 games with slides

[crimson moss]

You can double crouch mid air and “slide” standing up

[kindred haven]

i dont want cod sliding in bf games

[crimson moss]

Oh yeah

[leaden kraken]

LOAD MUSKETS AND FIX BAYONETS LADS!

[crimson moss]

I thought you meant 4s slide

[mossy marten]

BF has NEVER had a CoD Slide

[kindred haven]

bf2042

[mossy marten]

no i meant 4 as in 4 games my bad for not clarifying

[weak obsidian]

the slide in 2042 doesn't really do anything that special

[mossy marten]

lmao, wrong

[crimson moss]

It does

[kindred haven]

whats more important than slide

is to be able to mount player sized peices of cover

[crimson moss]

2042 slide is crazy useful purely because of the maps

[kindred haven]

or climb thos whatever

[weak obsidian]

thats a map design thing than anything

in combat its whatever

[crimson moss]

You can cover a lot of the empty areas in like 2-3 seconds with gain momentum slide and bhops

[mossy marten]

i mean, the jump chain is pretty decent, but predictable and super linear
BF4 is much more unpredictable than 2042 when it comes to movement

[kindred haven]

not really bf4 had big issues with climbing player sized cover, bfv didnt

[weak obsidian]

okay.

[crimson moss]

Yeah

Its easier to read but like i can cross the map so fast with bf2042 movement

[mossy marten]

well that's also cuz 2042 maps are just large af lol

[crimson moss]

Makes routing so easy if you master it

[crimson moss]

Yeah

[mossy marten]

yeup

[crimson moss]

Its entirely map design but movements usefulness also depends on it

[mossy marten]

bhopping down a hill do be pretty fun lol

just boing boing boing

[crimson moss]

Bf5 movement is entirely useless on strat cq maps because they are like 300km wide and 300km long

With 30 objective flags

[mossy marten]

ehhh, depends lol

[crimson moss]

I mean it matters in gunfights but the very large maps are played by the megamind rats

[mossy marten]

tru tru
panzerstorm and hamas at times
straight pain

[crimson moss]

It doesnt matter if you slide cover to cover and mix up movements as you go to an objective you will just have a random mg proning in the middle of nowhere

[mossy marten]

tbh, i think telescopic MGs in BF1 are much more annoying

beaming ya across the map like lazers

[crimson moss]

Than bf5 mgs?

[mossy marten]

yes, imho

[crimson moss]

Ranged combat in bf1 ingeneral was dogshit

[mossy marten]

me running to an OBJ getting blasted by a telescopic MG from 100-150m was annoying af

[crimson moss]

I sat prone on verdun cq on D the entire game and got 60 kills for nothing

[fair summit]

doesn't make much sense to me needing two bullets for a sniper kill. unless you hit the feet

[crimson moss]

Just press q and hold mb1

[crimson moss]

Its simple

You need to make 2 shots, to kill that person you also need to hit both of those shots, it takes more accuraccy to hit 2 consecutive shots in time than it takes to hit 1

[fair summit]

yeah so let's make it 3 shots. bigger tryhard challenge. takes even more accuracy

[crimson moss]

Which allows to react to scout players if they do infact hit body, but if they are accurate and headshot you they get rewarded for being more accurate

[mossy marten]

Bro wants CoD Snipers in Battlefield?

[crimson moss]

That would demolish the ttk

[fair summit]

bf 1 snipers is equal to cod snipers to you?

[mossy marten]

basically

[fair summit]

alright

[crimson moss]

Comperable yes

1 shot is requires to get a kill pretty much

[mossy marten]

BF sniper play is better when 1 shot kills are within 10-15m, but past that needs to be two unless headshot

[crimson moss]

Even if its an assist the player you shot at is a kill regardless in bf1

[kindred haven]

snipers should always be 2 body shot or one headshot

[crimson moss]

Because any weapon in the game will pretty much one shot a softened player from snipers

[crimson moss]

Would also break the game

[fair summit]

In BF1 you actually have to compensate for bullet drop, travel time, and sweet spots — it's about precision and positioning. CoD sniping is mostly hitscan, quickscopes, and arcade-speed reflexes. If both are 'the same' to you, then I guess chess and checkers are the same too because they use a board.

[crimson moss]

10-15m sweetspot is even more broken than what bf1 has

[mossy marten]

eh, bf4 has it (12.5m) and it's not as bad you think

[crimson moss]

Thats also because of the way bf4 maps played, i went pretty ham with scout in locker

[mossy marten]

granted I'd just prefer BFV sniping (ads time, snappines of bolt actions, etc) with the need one headshot at all ranges and no one shot potential

[kindred haven]

bf1 and bfv sniping is too easy

[crimson moss]

Bf4 sniper gameplay was sitting on a different island or having 3 squads of teammates camping on top of buildings

[fair summit]

yes it was horrible like in 42

[kindred haven]

yeah thats what snipers do

[fair summit]

wrong, generalizing

[kindred haven]

they are far away

[fair summit]

not all are the same

[weak obsidian]

people asking for 1 shot snipers can't aim

[fair summit]

but still. saying bf 1 snipering = cod snipering is a stupid take

[tall urchin]

Then hit the head next time, skill issue

[weak obsidian]

wow you also compensate for bullet drop and travel in CoD

what's your point pally

[fair summit]

HERE WE GO

Let me say it needs 4 shots to kill someone so I can say I'm good at it and you need to get good

like in dark souls or something

[weak obsidian]

4 shots sounds a bit excessive if you ask me

[crimson moss]

Youre overreacting for no reason

[fair summit]

it's clearly provocative

[weak obsidian]

the worst players always say the funniest shit 😭😭

I mean you could always play hardcore

[crimson moss]

Either you -60 someone per shot and make them 1-3 hit for the rest of your team anyway or you hit a headshot and confirm kills

[weak obsidian]

the snipers one shot there

[fair summit]

BF 1 doesn't give you a 1 shot kill if you hit legs

[crimson moss]

Sniper rifles are purely just dps weapons

[crimson moss]

It does if youre in sweetspot

[fair summit]

rarely

[tall urchin]

BF1 was also casual slop

[crimson moss]

Theres no such thing as “oh i shot legs so i did less damage”

[weak obsidian]

dark souls isn't that hard

[fair summit]

for you nothing is hard sir

[crimson moss]

Because the damage model is equal accross the body except for the head

[weak obsidian]

just dodge at the right time 😂

[weak obsidian]

yeah I was about to say BF never had seperate body part multipliers

that's a cod thing

[crimson moss]

Yeah and if you arent doing full damage to someone then its just a client side desync error

[mossy marten]

me hitting a plane on BFV with bazooka and seeing: Vehicle Hit +75

[crimson moss]

Which is common in bf1

The best is when you do -96 to someone in a 5htk range and it being impossible to even get -96

So you turn away early and get full beamed to the head

[mossy marten]

seeing 99 dmg will forever be frustrating

[fair summit]

BF1 absolutely has body part damage differences. Headshots are always 1-hit kills, but shots to the legs or arms do significantly less damage — even inside the sweet spot range. The sweet spot just boosts torso damage within a specific distance. Saying BF1 doesn't have separate multipliers is just wrong

check battlefield wiki for source when it talks about hitspots, sweetsposts etc

dont get me wrong obviously it's not as big as in other games

but to say there isn't at all is false

[mossy marten]

BF1 does not have body part damage modifiers (from the random guns i checked on the wiki)

[tall urchin]

Yeah limb damage is treated the same as body in BF1

No multipliers

[crimson moss]

Sweetspot range doesnt mean theres limb multipliers

[mossy marten]

Yup, the uneven numbers people see are due to BFV and older games having sloped damage drop off models compared to 2042 which has stepped damage drop off models

[crimson moss]

You can shoot someone in the feet from sweetspot it will still do 100 damage

[weak obsidian]

this is just straight up false

[crimson moss]

The reason why you like sniping in bf1 is very easy to explain, something easy to do will always be more prefered by people like you because it simply requires less effort

[fair summit]

The Battlefield Wiki for the hitspots indicates differences. Blame them if it's not true. I can share the link.

[crimson moss]

Ill show a video of what happens when you give a player with very good aim battlefield 1 sniping mechanics

[fair summit]

See you're twisting words. I said I liked it because snipers were more useful. And I was responding to scott who said recon are a useless class and he's not entirely wrong.

I wasn't talking about me

[crimson moss]

https://youtu.be/aUaT0KUPc_s?si=0XKaJYIWFuy7J8ps

[fair summit]

But I should know better and say I don't care at all because I always hit headshots, so get good losers

[tall urchin]

Not to mention BF1 sniping is exacerbated by the suppression and gunplay mechanics so you have even fewer threats. At least other games someone could pressure you with good spread management within good judgment

[crimson moss]

Im a 4-5kpm player in bf1

I dont think you should be the one telling me to get good

[crimson moss]

It isnt less useful in 5 or 4

[fair summit]

facepalm

[crimson moss]

Bolt actions are there to soften enemies

Thats what the idea should be for them

Scout as a class is a recon kitted player

Its an info centered kit

Meaning minimap spots, player spotting, spawn beacons and so on

[fair summit]

Yeah true but it's a game and people play it to kill other players.

Sometimes you deny basic facts just to act like a hipster lmao

[weak obsidian]

just remove snipers from battlefield

[crimson moss]

True yes, in killing effectivness bf1 is the most effective

[fair summit]

reason in bf 1 the scout is largely used is because it is easier. and I liked it. it made scouts more common. and i like scouts on the map. if you can't get this simple point, and personal opinionl idk what to say

[crimson moss]

Yeah but it makes good aimed players even more dominant and cancer to deal with

[weak obsidian]

yeah man I love Sinai Desert

[crimson moss]

It also ruins engagement distances

[weak obsidian]

such a fun map.

[crimson moss]

It encourages camping which disencourages ptfo play

When i was moderating a bf1 server i banned scout class entirely

[tall urchin]

And because it's multiplayer the most important thing is retaining skill gaps so players can express themselves so better players are rewarded

[crimson moss]

Because the players camped too often with them

So one side got heavily stomped purely for camping

And it makes the gameplay super boring if youre figting against them

[fair summit]

Yet bf 1 is the most successful one in terms of sales if I'm not wrong

[crimson moss]

Scout is by far the most “op” class in battlefield 1

[crimson moss]

Theres plenty cod games that had more sales than games that are significally better

You cant judge gameplay quality via sales

[weak obsidian]

infinite warfare still outsold 1 lol

[tall urchin]

Yeah because it was trash for awful players. No surprise the masses of idiots consume garbage, that's nothing new.

[fair summit]

I absolutely agree. Or Fornite would be the best game. But you have to reason like a company not like yourself.

Unfortunately

Like music, summer hits aren't better than beatles songs

but they sell

[weak obsidian]

Fortnite is fun tho

squad up with the lads

[crimson moss]

I mean you can watch this, he went 7kpm playing scout

[nimble bridge]

15 meter is too much, 10 meters maybe

[fair summit]

BUT, if people are happy, what's wrong with it?

Huge success means it also has good factors in it

can't be all trash

[crimson moss]

Also the fact that bf1 targets had no movement options made them even more easier to hit so sweetspot was even stronger due to the fact that you cant really make someone miss

[fair summit]

but I understand its attractive to always go against the mass, the general public

makes us feel smarter

[weak obsidian]

appealing to the general audience isn't exactly the best thing

[crimson moss]

A very large majorty of players are just bad, thats why they like simple things with little to no skill requirements

[tall urchin]

I could care less if some mouth breather is happy, they can jingle keys and get the same entertainment. I want what's good for the genre not the good of some useless people or greedy corporates.

[fair summit]

welcome to real world

why you think 42 had specialists

and skins

but I wasn't talking about appealing to them, I was saying if a product has a huge success like BF 1 had it can't be all trash, and sometimes in this channel it looks that way just because we like to go against the majority

[verbal crypt]

Dawg I’m dying this man said jingle some keys lmfao

[tall urchin]

Nah, that's exactly what it meant and its existence only served to create more problems with trash players asking for bad mechanics that reward them.

CoD hasn't gotten any better by working at mass appeal, more the opposite.

[fair summit]

cod has always been a mass appeal product

[tall urchin]

Fortnite was successful but it also created massive problems with how people perceive development and support and live service monetization/game identity.

[austere sparrow]

Actually, CoD has gotten worse as it's failed to follow mass appeal. It's only appeal now is to those with wallets, same with Apex. The only people who still find appeal in those games are the ones who've already obsessed with the franchise.

Want examples of their failure to appeal to the masses? Look at MWII 2022, look at MWIII, and people already hate BO6 just over half a year later. They fail to please their audience because they only listen to the sounds of the cash register.

Same with Apex. They have turned more to cosmetics and collection events because it makes money.

The only "mass" they're appealing to is the people who want cosmetics.

If the Battlefield devs will listen to what the majority of their players, the ones that have stayed and understand the franchise, want, then the game will be better. We will get systems we like, we will have a more grounded experience, and we will have the gameplay elements that the players perfer. If they listen to the players, it's a democracy.

If you're "against the mass" then you're in the minority, and I'm sorry to say, but games can't be successful with the scale of a AAA company if they're looking to please a small portion of people. The only way they could do that is by appealing to the very people that no true fan of BF wants them to appeal to, the big wallets.

If there's anyone to blame if the game turns to cosmetics and stupid gameplay decisions, it's likely EA execs, as they will do exactly what they do with Apex and ignore the fans and community to pander to the paying few.

Sorry for the essay.

Just my thoughts on the situation.

[tall urchin]

A college thesis of nonsense, damn.

[austere sparrow]

Well, can't expect someone without an actual profile name to listen to logic. My bad.

[tall urchin]

If you legitimately believe that Apex, much less CoD is not a product of appealing to mass market you never had logic to work with. They call that delusion.

[glad trench]

Where are these majority of players that have stayed with the franchise? Didn’t most of them rage quit during V/2042

And appealing to the masses is not appealing to the core fanbase if that is what you’re trying to get at

[austere sparrow]

Fair points.

At least you can make an argument. Thank you for restoring my faith.

I got ahead of myself with those terms. I apologize. Upon revision, my argument has some errors and lapses in judgement. I am sorry.

[sturdy mountain]

Hey I got into the end of may server test when do you think they're gonna do another labs thing?

[hallow wave]

im so worried that BF6 is going to have the same anti cheat issues as all the other BFs on PC now, "secure boot" and "unistall this driver" would be unacceptable for a fresh release, no one is going to go in and delete a sys32 driver for your game no matter how good i think itll be

[rugged seal]

its been stated that bf6 is goign to have secure boot

[glad trench]

Literally don’t care, it’s brain dead easy to turn it on for the majority of people and if you’re running drivers that it doesn’t like, that’s on you

[crimson moss]

How is intended secure boot an issue

[worthy summit]

why no more 5 men squad ?

[indigo pebble]

tbf you onouy relly need 1 role per person and theres 4 roles right?

unless each role has 2 specialisations meaning you woulneed a squad of 8

4 seems fine

[fair summit]

They would return if the game is worthy?

[kindred cargo]

What if i have 5 friends to play with? What if i have even more?

[indigo pebble]

make 2 squads and join someone in the ither squads game and dreag yur squad with you

or make a portal match or join one

[covert nest]

Why are people deleting sys32 driver to get secure boot working

[weak obsidian]

the BIOS really scary

[covert nest]

To be fair I can empathise with it but at the same time people are so dramatic.

[long trail]

i see abrams tanks what about the other side russ side dont see any .?

[feral garden]

There is no RUS side

[long trail]

what the other side? what there veciles ?

[feral garden]

Leopard MBT and CV90 light armor

[long trail]

lol leopard is for nato so usa vs nato wtf ?

[rugged seal]

#game-news literally has the lore

[feral garden]

This game is NATO vs Pax Armata. What it seems in the trailer, large parts of EU have fallen under Pax Armata control.

[rugged seal]

Witness the vicious path of destruction carved by Pax Armata, the world’s leading private military company. PAX pursues the destruction of NATO and its allies, stopping at nothing to uphold their motto: “Our Protection, Your Peace.”

Lock & load for the ultimate all-out warfare experience. Fight in high-intensity infantry combat. Rip through the skies in aerial dogfights. Demolish your environment for a strategic advantage. In a war of tanks, fighter jets, and massive combat arsenals, your squad is the deadliest weapon.

[versed token]

#ad

[rugged seal]

Had to copy the text since its hard for others to find things on their own nowadays

[versed token]

[sleek thunder]

Have to say the narrative around this PAX conflict is really interesting, looking forward to the story campaign

[manic gate]

but but dualbooting

which can be fixed to work with secure boot anyways too if you actually put in the effort

[broken dagger]

Pax in latin means peace, pax in hotel reservation means person. Pax Armata is Peace Army or Person Army?

[versed token]

Yes

[kindred haven]

you think they have proper swimming this time?

[robust rivet]

Hi, any BF labs this evening? It's been two weeks since the last one. Any info?

[spare zephyr]

if there was,noone here could say

[tepid plinth]

We don’t know any more than you

[leaden kraken]

The story setup gives me MGS4 vibes, with a PMC group fighting/replacing NATO

[full drift]

U mean MAG..OG quality game of FPS

[leaden kraken]

Never got to play MAG, I didn't get a PS3 until long after the servers shut down

[feral garden]

MAG was a terrible game. To this day I have no clue why people hype it so much

[cursive ridge]

it was fun

[feral garden]

It was a fine time passer when I was younger. But it had nothing memorable, outside of the large player count (Which was mostly irrelevant due to the maps designs)

[full drift]

Smh..the littest game before all the large player count fps

[full drift]

Untrue the Map design was pre-quality before all the other games took BR/BPC too newer heights

[full drift]

Splendid of a game MAG was

[feral garden]

What does any of this mean. It reads like gibberish

[severe anvil]

I mean, so you decide to spam it somewhere else?

[feral garden]

You need to claim the Community creations role in id:customize to be able to post in the media channel

[full drift]

OoooAaaahhh🤘🏿🤘🏿

[stark leaf]

Labs still runs?

[severe anvil]

You can still sign up for it, yes.

[stark leaf]

I did long time ago 😄

in february

[severe anvil]

Then you're all set. Lots of people signed up and it's a closed testing environment, so not everybody will get selected.

[stark leaf]

I know that, thats still under NDA or?

[severe anvil]

Yep.

[stark leaf]

gottcha

i ve red somewhere that ppl got inv on diff platform instead of one applied for

is that intended or it mistake?

[severe anvil]

Can't comment on anything Battlefield Labs invite process specific, sorry.

[stark leaf]

oke dokee

will LAbs will be up till game release or till beta?

[severe anvil]

We'll have updates on that after the Beta announcements.

[stark leaf]

nice, thx for sharing info , hoping for inv B)

[manic gate]

YouTube videos that showed it could have 256 player battles that's it

Never take guys who don't elaborate or just say "it looked cool" seriously

[feral garden]

It was fine, really nothing special tho, and I played it a fair amount 😄

[winged raptor]

labs is off right? I formatted my PC and I need to reinstall it.

[balmy plinth]

finally out of time out jail for mentioning a popular messaging platfor ffs

[manic gate]

They haven't made an announcement like that so I would assume it's still on

[worn pecan]

Haven’t checked recently, Does anyone know if the maps of bf6 will have a lot of interactions like doors, buttons anf other stuff like in 4? And do they plan on putting entering animations for vehicles like in bf1?

[austere sparrow]

I mean, I hope so. But idk.

I liked the BF1 entering animations, felt very polished.

[inland glacier]

Newer gameplay looks pretty diff in 60fps

Tho I think the grenade throw anim should be more like bfv

Forgot you could do an underarm throw too.

[next ivy]

Could someone please invite me for the ps5 testing

[spare zephyr]

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs << Sign-up here

[hidden drift]

with the open beta coming out, is it useless or to late now ?

[golden vortex]

Depends on the details about the beta which is not out yet, so we don't know.

[hidden drift]

ok

[next ivy]

I Signed up @spare zephyr where will I receive invite information

[hidden drift]

you have to be very lucky, it's not because you sign up that u will receive something

[random jay]

Is Labs still like…active? Or has it been closed since May

[severe anvil]

Why May?

[random jay]

Cause that’s when the playtest ended right?

[manic gate]

[severe anvil]

The 72 hour playtest was not part of Battlfield Labs. Was a designated server stress test.

[hidden drift]

do u answer to messages ? I asked somthing to the support since month and no one answering

[severe anvil]

I can't help with account or tech support.

[random jay]

Damn never knew that

[hidden drift]

it's not really about that

[next ivy]

[spare zephyr]

You would get an E-mail if selected, #battlefield-labs-discussion message

[hidden drift]

I just need an info and i think u could have it

[severe anvil]

Ask away. I will very likely not have the info.

[sturdy mountain]

Hey, can you help me out

I played the May server test thing in labs and I was wondering why I haven't gotten another email and when I go to the website it asks me to like.. take the sign up servey again. What's the deal with that? Thanks

[glad trench]

because it was its seperate thing

people who got invited to the may server test got tossed back into the general registration pool

[sturdy mountain]

Welp, did it again - thanks for letting me know!

[solemn mason]

@lyric dust

[ember shadow]

is there a place to apply for bf6 alpha?

[kindred haven]

wish there would have been a posibility to give feedback on that regardless

[mint cobalt]

If that leak is true and BF6 comes out in October this year, NO!

If that Beta turns out to be a mess, delay it! Not by a week, not by a month, until it is ready

I do not want to hear anymore excuses

[sturdy ivy]

agreed, they would have to delay it but it would have to come out before GTA 6

[mint cobalt]

No that is an excuse as well, they are not making Battlefield 6 to appease Rockstar,

If BF6 has to come out in the same year as GT6 then so be it

[sturdy ivy]

I talking about the same month

[kindred haven]

then it wont sell well

also hope that the br for bf6 isnt doing well, imo that has no place in bf

another thing

[long trail]

the system for healing the same as 2042 hp back to fast to full its mean no need medics = no teamplay

[kindred haven]

the bf6 trailer was really hype, most cod trailers over the last few years like all mw2019 trailers were made with ingame gameplay, so lets hope we dont get some cinematic trailer for the mp reveal i wanna see a full gameplay trailer

[weak obsidian]

teamplay = begging your clueless support for heals

[long trail]

thats bad

[weak obsidian]

every modern battlefield game has self healing

besides V so I don't see the problem

[kindred haven]

healing is still important

[long trail]

one of the reasons why modern bf not suecss

[kindred haven]

the faster you are at full health the more chance you have in a gunfight

[kindred haven]

yapping

[mint cobalt]

So was was BF2042’s trailer and look what happened to that,

And once again they are not making Battlefield 6 to appease Rockstar

Saying it won’t sale because of GTA6, is the same excuse as when they said Halo Infinite was the reason for BF2042’s failure

[glad trench]

Huurrrrr BR’s bad hurrrr

[kindred haven]

bf3, bf4, bf1, bf hardline, bf 2042 probably even more i didnt count up

[kindred haven]

yeah thats why i just said that thank you?

bf2042 mp trailer was a cinamatic trailer

[weak obsidian]

no it wasn't, it had gameplay

[kindred haven]

not alot

very little in fact most of it was cinematics

[weak obsidian]

you mean scripted?

yes it was, it's still in game

[kindred haven]

well a cinematic pre made thing that doesent reflect gameplay

[weak obsidian]

it kinda does?

[kindred haven]

because it isnt

[weak obsidian]

things like visuals are shown lol

[kindred haven]

cinematic trailer no gameplay

same with the newest bf6 trailer

ingame renders no gameplay

[weak obsidian]

in game and render is contradictory

[kindred haven]

no?

[weak obsidian]

in engine = real time

[kindred haven]

cause a cutscene is rendered in the game

[rugged seal]

they didn't advertise the bf6 trailer to have gameplay lol

[kindred haven]

but they should

[weak obsidian]

it's fairly accurate to what the game will look like in gameplay

every battlefield reveal is a cinematic trailer I don't know why people are surprised

[kindred haven]

no its not

the only trailer that reflects how the game will look is the bf labs one

[weak obsidian]

all the assets in the trailer will look really similar to what's in game

[kindred haven]

and even that one is outdated

[weak obsidian]

look at the BF1 reveal and tell me if it looks any different to actual gameplay lol

[rugged seal]

they announced the mp trailer at the end of the bf6 one too

[kindred haven]

bf1 reveal trailer has actual gameplay

[rugged seal]

what is this fake outrage

[kindred haven]

even if like maybe only 5 seconds

[weak obsidian]

people are insanely tech illiterate

[kindred haven]

yeah i can tell

[rugged seal]

entire personality is being mad about nothing

[weak obsidian]

in-engine = CGI render

y'all daft...

[kindred haven]

last attempt

[weak obsidian]

2042 caused mass psychosis, there's no other explanation

[kindred haven]

i know its hard maybe i explained it wrong

"a cinematic or cutscene image, often seen in video games, is a non-interactive sequence that tells a story or provides context within the game's narrative. These sequences, sometimes called "in-game movies," are separate from the gameplay and can be used to introduce characters, advance the plot, evoke emotions, or provide background information."

[weak obsidian]

a cutscene still uses the gameplay shaders, art and assets

[kindred haven]

so with this given information on what a cutsene is

the trailer shown of both bf6 and bf2042 does have very little or no actual gameplay shown

[weak obsidian]

no shit but it still reflects what the game will look like

[kindred haven]

ragebait

at this point bro is actually just faking being stupid

[weak obsidian]

you telling me a GTA cutscene looks completely different to gameplay?

[kindred haven]

this depends on the game and yes they can

[weak obsidian]

that's because cutscenes are directed and curated by artists

[rugged seal]

bf4 reveal trailer also has no gameplay shown

[kindred haven]

sometimes cutscenes or cinematic user different models that have higher quality

[weak obsidian]

(thing you barely notice most of the time)

[kindred haven]

but its not gameplay was my point

[kindred haven]

yeah bf does this for hype

[weak obsidian]

it's still fairly representitive of gameplay visuals, a slighty lower poly gameplay model does not change the entire visual make up of the game

[rugged seal]

yea and they release the mp trailer shortly after

[austere sparrow]

Shouldn't be surprised that there's no gameplay, the reveal trailers rarely use much if any. The reveals are kind of just made to look cool, establish the tone, and build hype. Doesn't mean it doesn't look like how the game will play though, necessarily.

[rugged seal]

fake outrage over nothing

[austere sparrow]

✅

[kindred haven]

i mean my point was missed

cod reveal trailers mostly consist of gameplay while bf still has to use cinematics

[weak obsidian]

CoD does not use gameplay

[rugged seal]

is it safe to assume you got so mad that you didnt even finish watching the video to see they said mp reveal trailer a week later?

[weak obsidian]

this feller is a bit slow

[austere sparrow]

If they did, people would see that game sucks. 😂

[kindred haven]

https://youtu.be/J7Ivdq5E-fs?si=HqhlS3jKXkcPa2oA

only gameplay 🥀 🥀 🥀

[weak obsidian]

that's the multiplayer reveal

[rugged seal]

it even says in the title of the video LOL

bruh

[kindred haven]

thats right

cause that was the point

bf2042 mp reveal was only cinematics

[weak obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WomAGoEh-Ss

There's plenty of gameplay here

[kindred haven]

ahh yes there wasnt even a singleplayer it was just that one trailer

[rugged seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WomAGoEh-Ss

bruh taking Ls every minute

[weak obsidian]

this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[rugged seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUo5gnaYB_w where is the gameplay in this cod trailer?

[glad trench]

Release another trailer with bf4 cutscenes playing “all I wanted was you”

Shut these people up

[kindred haven]

also need to see carrier assault, hopefully at launch

[misty anvil]

Is Battlefield 6 Single Player Story Mode?

[kindred haven]

it has singleplayer, mp and br

[merry ermine]

oops.. when I think someone's being sarcastic but they aren't

[rugged seal]

it wasn't me who was mad about the reveal trailer not having gameplay

[merry ermine]

yea I saw that after I replied.. mb

not surprising though
rawr why didn't dice give us gameplay in this clearly cinematic trailer

[rugged seal]

it took a month between bf1 releasing its official reveal trailer and the gameplay reveal trailer

[icy maple]

Will this game have more of a WW3 story? Like allies vs allies? Or is it only the US vs. PAX

[mellow oasis]

please let me make keybinds on my mouse in BF6

crazy you can't bind mouse5 or 4 in BF2042

and bring back the server browser!

[nimble bridge]

BF formula is much more closer to BR than any BF player wants to admit:
BF: Large scale battles with vehicles, long engagement distances
BR: Large scale battles with vehicles, long engagement distances

Major difference is BR gives you one life and it's FFA rather than team effort

[rugged seal]

with the teammates i get it may as well be FFA

[nimble bridge]

[mossy marten]

1v63

[rugged seal]

i have said 1v127 many times in game chat

[pearl shell]

Hey guys, I just want to ask you if you think any more invites will be sent out for BF labs ? I'd like to try it out

[fleet robin]

maybe

[wanton berry]

Can you still join Laps, or are no new people being invited?

[pearl shell]

Yes, you can, but I don ´t know if they will invite new players

[versed token]

They are still inviting people

[pearl shell]

Nice, thank you 🙏

[wanton berry]

How long does it usually take?

[versed token]

You aren't guaranteed to get an invite

[sharp dew]

Wait really? Praise the Omnissiah, may I get an invite!

[verbal crypt]

This is real😭

No lie bf got some of the worst players I’ve ever seen in over 20 years of fps gaming lol

[tepid plinth]

Either 5 seconds or 2 years

[stoic moth]

I'll just watch the gameplay people are putting on yt instead lol

[icy maple]

Needs more desperation in the voicelines like bf1

[glad trench]

And they’re always the first to say movement should be “realistic and grounded”

[woeful sluice]

Is wall climbing a feature in bf labs?

[verbal crypt]

You tell them that you don’t want your feet to be mud covered cinder blocks and they automatically think we want infinite warfare movement 😂

[feral garden]

Both of the extreme players on either side of the argument always state that the opponent wants these extremes.

The reality is that most players want this to be a shooter reliant mainly on aim, with movement secondary, not for BF to become a movement shooter

There is a nice grey area in between that the game will actually be. Aim first, complimented by movement ability

[glad trench]

BF6 channel the other day was saying that bf1 was a little too fast

[versed token]

💀

[verbal crypt]

bf1 was painfully slow and the mantling mechanics alone were dreadful lol

I do also want this BF to reward great aim, good positioning, etc

[glad trench]

How else am I supposed to farm frag grenade kills if my enemies literally can’t move out of the way in time because the movement is so slow

[verbal crypt]

😂😂😂

[deep oar]

Imma need an invite stat

[verbal crypt]

Get in line pal

[fleet robin]

this new generation has no idea, i signed up for labs back in the battlefield 1 days

get in line

[granite geode]

😭😭

[proud pawn]

still not convienced

their trailers are always good, the gameplay on the other hand is ......

[crimson moss]

💀

[sharp grove]

i got it but i was in turkey for a week, so i never got the chance

[crimson moss]

its like reading reddit ragebait amplified by 2

a player with 24 hours in bf4 and 27 in bf5 with 0.5kpm and 1kd in both games tried telling me that 128 players would lowkey work

[versed token]

It would work with maps made for it

[crimson moss]

Yeah but its meaningless

Either you have way larger maps with more POI’s or smaller maps with lesser POI’s with less players lol

And id much rather not have an insane scale with maps

[verbal crypt]

I legit can’t take anything players like that say seriously. It’s like me going to my 8 year old cousin for car advice rather than my mechanic lmao

[cedar swan]

Accurate metaphor right there

[verbal crypt]

Fr lol

[tall urchin]

Welcome to the modern information age where everyone knows everything and simultaneously knows nothing.

[verbal crypt]

“Grok is this true?” mfers lol

[tall urchin]

Never been so happy to hear the reproduction rate has slowed to a crawl

[verbal crypt]

I saw a video on X last night that was very obviously AI and the first 3-5 comments were all “grok is this real”

We are doomed

[tepid plinth]

That sounds like it may have been sarcasm

[verbal crypt]

Maybe but either way we are experiencing a new level of stupidity lol

[junior plover]

Is needed an invitation to play the play test?

[rugged seal]

Yes

[junior plover]

And is it difficult to obtain?

[nimble bridge]

Like winning a lottery

Better to wait for open beta

[junior plover]

🥲

[fringe shuttle]

Have they announced when the open beta will start?

[nimble bridge]

They will probably announce it with multiplayer reveal trailer

[wet flame]

how the kill cam going to be?

[wanton berry]

More people are uploading gameplay from BF6 now. I thought it was prohibited?

[nimble bridge]

🤫

[wanton berry]

xD

[static canopy]

Is it true that all guns sounds like they are suppressed without having a suppressor on?

[tepid plinth]

Nah they sound pretty good

[true prawn]

does anyone know when labs will open to oceanic region?

[versed token]

Only someone from EA/Dice would know that

[nova nova]

Is there any info about Levolutions?

[manic gate]

We haven't seen gameplay yet officially but from what footage of labs we've seen shared around, destruction in general has seem to have been heavily improved. Nothing on levolution though

[balmy plinth]

Honestly, Labs is really lacking real life skate brands, and the flip to grind transitions seem a bit floaty

I like the skateboard customization in Labs though

wait

[rugged seal]

[stark leaf]

I d like to see portal in BF6 and now this time much better with server browser and mode selection

[zenith stirrup]

Anyone have a Battlefield labs invite they would like to sure 💀💀

[balmy plinth]

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/battlefield-labs

[zenith stirrup]

I tried.

[sinful hare]

I am still waiting for the invitation for the playtesting of battlefield labs 🥲

[crude herald]

Mm, they still doing play tests?

[frail anvil]

Where can I find the discussion about future class system, is there a poll to vote for it?

[winged radish]

Chinook,

i also play arma 3

and have all the dlc's

[valid oar]

What's it like to survive in gaza
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WBy5Xonm_I8&si=WqC9HW7t8uciQJ47

[iron current]

I really hope dice announce the beta in August

Like early August after the multiplayer gameplay reveal and everyone will be happy

[woeful sluice]

I don't recall bf betas coming out as early as august but this time I have a feeling we'll get it early.

[mellow oasis]

I hope BF6 lets you customize your kit separately from your appearance, unlike in BF2042. I hate that I have to play a certain skin to get a certain toolkit, often ending up with a skin I don’t like.

I miss the days of Battlefield where it felt like you were a part of a large army but you could customize certain things on your character to show prestige. Not everyone having individual skins, with individual benefits.

I know in some way, this is driven by an ability to create a microtransaction economy. But I think it can be done more tastefully.

[dire abyss]

im ok with getting some skins sure, but majority of that should be not class locked. Ghilie suit is a sniper skin 100% and should stay there. But if we get any kind of "Named operator" They should fit multi role, otherwise leave it be you blend in with everyone else as another merc/nato unit in the list.
BF V did it decently with the option to customize each class's person per faction imo.

[glacial warren]

Is there another channel for people who actually got in?

[leaden kraken]

I want it to be determined by your kit, like how in Black Ops 1 your appearance depended on what Perk 1 you had, and in Black Ops 2 it was dependant on the weapon.

I like BFV's customization but I think it's important in Battlefield to identify what class an enemy is on sight

[inland glacier]

I think classes themselves would be better reinforced with weaponry dedicated to em like before but maybe that’s just me and a few others

[tepid plinth]

people who got in get their own server, which we can't access

[timid estuary]

is there sniper scope zeroing back now?

[versed token]

I hope not

[bold canyon]

if i already play tested is no way for me to play test again? ive seen lots of new playtest going on but no way to sign up for them

[nimble bridge]

It doesn't matter, you see enemy and you shoot, BF isn't a hero shooter that wants you to deduce enemy class before you engage with them

Give them a class symbol on top of their head, you get the same class identifier like in BF1

This game will have battlepasses and skins might as well have better customization instead

[tulip hinge]

I attempted to sign up hopefully I am not too late to the party.

[delicate frigate]

Unlike other titles, could this Battlefield have a gore system? It would be an interesting addition. While this isn't formal feedback, it's traumatic to see a Pax Armata soldier missing a leg after a grenade or artillery shell explodes at a distance of 5 meters. I believe the revive system would only be possible in unique, hypothetical situations. It wouldn't be interesting if every time you "kill" someone, they were revived.

Or see someone get brutally lacerated by an FPV drone, if that's the case.

[restive charm]

It has a 400m dollar budget - I hope there’s a lil amount of gore lol

[minor linden]

Eh. Imo no-revive kills should be limited to certain things

Like, the sniper headshot thing or if you die inside of a vehicle

The sniper no-revive headshot requires you to grind to get it + it requires skill

No reviving if you die inside a vehicle adds another drawback of using a heavy vehicle too (stuff like jeeps could allow revives. It’s mostly tanks I’m talking about)

[leaden kraken]

If there was gore, it would have to be on kills when revives aren't possible

But there's no reason it shouldn't be in campaign

Though BF has never been ultra gory in the past

[minor linden]

Well yeah. Revives don’t exist in the campaign anyways

[leaden kraken]

The only time I can remember was at the beginning of 4's campaign

[minor linden]

The part where you cut off your squad mate’s lower leg?

[leaden kraken]

Yeah

[bold canyon]

im lowkey scared for this game now that the supposed leak release date is oct 10

[minor linden]

I’d actually love to see more scenes like that. Or maybe something like Cod ww2’s save mechanic where you have to drag friendlies away from danger. Would add more to the war theming

[leaden kraken]

The dragging players thing will probably be in campaign as well, since it's a new feature in multiplayer

Which i love as a medic main

[tepid plinth]

It’s so good

Implemented brilliantly

[leaden kraken]

The destruction looks really good from what I've seen of the leaks

[minor linden]

Yeah. Id honestly rather have the new amazing destruction than levolution. Though, having both wouldn’t be bad

[leaden kraken]

I saw one clip of a tank getting blown up, and the turret that flew off hit a building, causing the wall to collapse, which crushed a car and knocked down a tree at the same time. It looks as good as BF1's destruction did

[minor linden]

Is seems America has finally entered the turret toss competition

[leaden kraken]

I agree, but levolution was a fun gimmick on some maps

[minor linden]

Yeah. Maps like flood zone were done amazingly

[leaden kraken]

I remember the first time I saw the building in Shanghai collapse, I was thinking "you can do that in an online game!?"

Driving tanks through buildings in BFV was fun too

[minor linden]

Yeah. I’m glad they’re most likely bringing that back

Can’t wait to run someone over by smashing through an apartment building

[leaden kraken]

I'm really hoping the A10 Warthog will return, doing gun runs over an objective is super fun

It's also the only air vehicle I'm somewhat good with in BF4 lol

[cedar swan]

Well hey the F16 is gonna be in the attack role so hopefully it's familiar to you, we'll have to see how it performs

[delicate frigate]

It's time to see guts in Battlefield.

[astral ice]

Local toggle, but all that extra effects and objects might impact performance

[glad trench]

leave gore to game's built around its gorey-ness

[warm aspen]

Are people still playing labs?

[glad trench]

people always asking for gore (beyond blood spatter) in games are so weird

I remember leading up to Jedi Fallen Order people were having fits about the lack of dismemberment as if Star Wars was historically some slasher

[glad trench]

when the play sessions are up

[astral ice]

Please add day-night cycles; adds depth

Add server option for start time of day or night, whatever

[leaden kraken]

I think that was mostly because people were complaining that the lightsaber felt more like a baseball bat than a sword. Because there was dismemberment on robots and aliens, but any human enemy that absolutely should have been cut in half just got scorch marks instead. It felt inconsistent.

But Jedi Survivor mostly fixed that for human enemies

[glad trench]

Which is super consistent with the movies etc

[minor linden]

Depends on the movie. OT has a mix of both due to its age. Prequel mostly has them cut through anything. Sequel treats them like baseball bats unless it’s in a cinematic moment

[glad trench]

The sequels they rarely make contact the choreography is so bad

[novel wyvern]

This would be so freaking awesome.

[astral ice]

I modded another game to do it, so I know it can be done; looks cool, too, especially nowadays with today's graphics 😎

[nimble bridge]

Jedi Outcast/Academy games had dismemberment though

It was a core mechanic in them due to how lightsaber controls works, you could pretty much cut stormtroopers in half

[glad trench]

Those games aren’t canon

[nimble bridge]

NuSW isn't canon

[delicate frigate]

I don't see any problem or "oddity" in adding gore to the game. It's not meant to be like Hell Let Loose, where a Wehrmacht soldier is completely torn apart by an AP or HE shot. It's that simple gore. I mean, a detail that adds depth to the new game. It would be really cool to see someone lose a leg after a grenade explodes or see pools of blood after death. These are small details that make a game more immersive.

And I haven't played almost any Star Wars games, so I'm not in the know.

[feral garden]

Wont happen as that will get the game banned in large regions like China and Australia

[delicate frigate]

Well, it's not up to me.

[feral garden]

I know. Im just saying why more games dont do this

[crimson moss]

Because its not something battlefield players really care for, we are playing an arcade fps game for the action packed fun gameplay

[fallow field]

Who is we?

[crimson moss]

Normal battlefield players

Not sure what game you picked up

[nimble bridge]

Blood cloud that leaves the body of the player is the most gore we should get tbh, I'm not against gore but seems unnecessary tbh, blood cloud also serves the purpose of better feedback of when you kill your enemy and/or as a visual indicator of what's happening near you

[crimson moss]

Yeah id never look at that

[rotund pier]

gore is great except it's nonsensical in this game, unless your head explodes after getting headshotted with a sniper, then you can't get revived

cuz it couldn't make sense to get your legs blown away by a tank then just get revived

[versed token]

Blood is enough

[stoic moth]

Did I really get a EA discord report for complaining that I haven't had an email about the playtest even though I've been signed up six months+? People are so sensitive now 🤣

Didn't even curse or anything, EA are genuine authoritarians I swear

[brave yew]

Wow that's crazy and not surprised to be honest.

I have high hopes for this BF6 please bring back the old BF3-BF4 glory days. Especially their single player story mode, and multiplayer.

[versed token]

Nothing will ever beat your nostalgia

[icy maple]

Guys what do you think about night modes using NODS and stuff

[inland glacier]

Make vehicle controls intuitive I beg

[tepid plinth]

don't really need to change much then cause they feel great as is

[inland glacier]

Bf3/4 had it best

[brave yew]

I hope there isn't battlepass tier system that will really suck

Or clown skins

[glass current]

If I missed out on my playtesting for bf6, is there another chance to play in the next playtest?

[austere sparrow]

There's a Beta coming up, so just be waiting and ready for that.

[cedar flax]

can somebody who tested bf6 with rx 6600 xt+ryzen 5600x or something close to these specs tell me approximate FPS in game ?

[narrow basalt]

Cant wait to see how DICE screws up the next battlefield

Anime waifu skins

600$ epic weapon skins

Sbmm

[severe anvil]

Best to wait for Open Beta. We will have more up-to-date spec requirements then and you can get a better look at performance for that specifically. More polish and fixing will happen before launch but the requirements from Open Beta to launch shouldn't change too drastically.

[severe anvil]

You can still sign up for Battlefield Labs and we are still inviting players to playtesting. Open Beta is another way to playtest, more info on that to come soon.

[stable gorge]

Nah mine is not up to this amount @narrow basalt

[cedar flax]

Thank you 🙂‍↔️

[dry ember]

The good thing is that once the multiplayer reveal event takes place later this week, Battlefield 6's multiplayer should no longer be under NDA since we're gonna see plenty of gameplay footage from content creators.

[inland glacier]

Can’t wait

[frigid valley]

Can we play the early alpha of the ps5 version or nah?

[lunar halo]

So uh, is there anything I can do to get invited to the closed beta besides pray?

Or closed alpha or whatever it is

[severe anvil]

Closed Alpha is a pray angle. Open Beta not announced yet. 👍

[lunar halo]

What if I said pretty please and promise that I'm just a chill guy

🥺

I mean how could anyone say no to that face

[severe anvil]

I don't have powers to get you in, so the face is mega adorbs but won't help in this case. 😄

[lunar halo]

Ah I see, so who can I put the puppy dog eyes on to up my chances

[balmy plinth]

MUSTARD BOYSSSS

[cobalt gate]

Man I wish there were dedicated cargo helis or planes in BF6

Like sea stallion or Hercules

[granite timber]

Anyone know what to do if you get invited to a playtest on a platform you don’t own anymore?

[severe anvil]

Change your settings in your playtesting profile and hope for another invite with the updated profile. You can also reach out to [e-mail] and see if they can help you directly.

[long trail]

pax armata outfits looks so bf 2042 and the hit marker the same as 2042 thats bad :S

[versed token]

No

[hidden drift]

Do players in labs can play during this week event ? or is it just for influencers ?

[sterile void]

Is the playtest only available for PC? Is there console support?

[rugged seal]

https://www.ea.com/games/battlefield/faq

[severe anvil]

Anybody can sign up and we have invited players based on our testing needs. It's not just content creators, the vast majority are just normal players.

And I should add, the creators are also under NDA and cannot share any gameplay from Labs.

[hidden drift]

I mean we know like influencers are going to LA this week to share the game on an event, do labs players could play in the same time ?

[severe anvil]

Labs is an online environment, has nothing to do with any local events.

[hidden drift]

Alright ! Thank u !

[gaunt jungle]

the pax armata outfits are based on the spanish civil guard

[daring root]

Hi Are there any invitations in the Middle East?

[crimson moss]

💀

[astral ice]

How do you become an influencer?

What is an influencer?

I looked it up

[astral sparrow]

I was in labs one weekend had fun then all of a sudden labs disappeared from my ea app 😦

[tulip hinge]

Is there anyway to increase our chances of getting into the playtest?

[last sphinx]

What if instead of David Sirland, he was David Sirloin, and instead of cooking with good battlefield games, he cooked with Wagyu A5 steaks?

[long nebula]

You weren't really in Labs, you were invited to the stress test which is a different thing that uses Labs. So you were only granted access for one session. You will know if you are invited to the Labs program through email.

[long nebula]

Updating your EA Playtesting preferences and hoping to get selected is really the only way. You just need to be selected.

[tulip hinge]

Rough.🥀

[restive charm]

Buy me a bag of chips and your chances will go up 5%

[tulip hinge]

Thats insane, this man is just giving an easy way to get in for literally nothing!

[kindred haven]

there are alot of rumors about the games beta coming out very soon, i think playtests arent even something to think anout anymore

[tulip hinge]

If you read up on it they still are doing playtesting.

[kindred haven]

game is supposedly coming out in october

[astral ice]

How do you do that?

[stone stone]

Question in regards to movement, but is there any thought to a mantling system? Like being able to jump and climb up a tall fence yourself and such? It would slow you down a lot so it would come with its share of vulnerability, like "squad" slow. Just thought it could add to verticality in the game and allow people to find new ways to defend or attack points?

Or maybe an item for the engineer that would replace something that would allow him to carry one of those foldable ladders to be able to get to higher places or to gain a tactical advantage for your team

[tall urchin]

The last thing BF needs is unreadable verticality, 2042 grapple is a clear demonstration of that problem.

[stone stone]

Hence the slowing down, never said anything about grapple gear and last I checked, armed forces have used such ladders before, but whatever.

Way to take something that was said and interpret it in the absolute worst possible way

[minor linden]

It isn’t really about how slow it takes. Adding another form of verticality means the map designers have to design every map around that feature

It just isn’t worth it for a feature that most people will likely not use

[stone stone]

I mean i seem to remember multiple levels to buildings all over the place in bf3 and 4, so youre telling me, the technology has degraded? Yeah I guess no soldier, marine, seaman, or airman, has EVER climbed over something that was taller than them.

No one climbs over stuff, youre right

Anyways, have a night. Im out

[minor linden]

There are multiple levels, yeah. But they’re never really at the heights that a mantle system would be useful. It almost always either short enough to climb up normally or tall enough to where you wouldn’t be able to climb it even with a mantle system

Have a good night ❤️

[nimble bridge]

It's been in BF since BF1

Too many tourists man

[icy maple]

Does anyone know if they’re gonna make the voice actors do heavy weights again? 😀

[astral ice]

Jump jets, that's what we need

[nimble bridge]

☝️

Not many people know this but 1942 had jetpacks too

In secret weapons of WW2 DLC

[astral ice]

Awesome

Need that remake of 1942 asap then 😉

[last sphinx]

and it ruins the flow of urban maps

mantling 6 feet walls adds to the unpredictable flow

[last sphinx]

You are fighting a strawman. No one said you shouldn't be able to climb at all, but it should be limited to objects shorter than the player character

BF4 wasn't perfect with this, but it was definitely better than bf1 and bfv where there was no way to know where someone might climb from and flank an entire team

Climbing should be at a point where it avoids the feeling of being stuck on a ledge (like bf4) but not allow for scaling entire walls

[full hull]

Guys labs 60hz tickrate ?

[versed token]

They confirmed 60hz several months ago

[full hull]

Ok thanks

[nimble bridge]

Too many random things are happening in a single BF match anyways

Might as well give people option to move around

[last sphinx]

Might as well give players wall running and jetpacks while we're at it

[nimble bridge]

Yes

[last sphinx]

2/10 ragebait

[tribal mortar]

No REALY i want another person for confirm that pls

[serene grove]

Has anyone noticed that after all the leaks came out, there have been a lot of people saying they played the alpha and liked it

[stone stone]

Not to say people have been breaking the NDA but ive seen some stuff and it doesn't look like there's anything there besides going over waist high stuff

[stone stone]

Yeah I just think with all the verticalility that BF USUALLY has, it would be nice to be able to climb a bit of a higher wall, like I said, it would make you VERY vulnerable because you have to take into account that they are carrying full battle rattle but it would just be nice to be able to grt over some higher things, but yeah definitely not any super fast BS I cant stand that stuff, its the reason I dont play COD anymore, its for crackheads

[serene grove]

In terms of mantling, i don't think its changed much.
Bf4 you could still climb up things like tanks, while 2042 you cant go up a shipping container

[tribal mortar]

Can we play bf6 on the mouse keyboard on console?

[cedar flax]

leave the hit indicator the same as Battlefield 4 or 1 👍🏻

[pliant orbit]

Just read a leak that wallhacks are being added to bf6 lol

[feral garden]

XfactorLaming posting months old news again is it?

the last blog post said the assault class is being reworked, so this is not a concern hopefully. IMO at least they shouldnt exist...but this isnt new info

[pliant orbit]

I hope it gets removed

Or is already removed in the beta

[radiant heath]

yeah i don't care for that stuff at all. it cheapens the game

[pliant orbit]

Well, it was part of the Alpha

Pray it's removed from the beta

[radiant heath]

anything we're hoping to see in the MP announcement this week? My big one is wanting to know how many maps the game's launching with

[pliant orbit]

should be 15

[radiant heath]

that is a LOT

[pliant orbit]

four maps could be remakes of maps from older titles

[feral garden]

Its a live gameplay showcase. So there should be a lot shown. They arent gonna fly 100s of people to LA for some 10 minute video

[radiant heath]

i'm really hoping for ten new maps as the minimum, a few remakes would be fine even if they wanna drop em during season one

but i defs don't wanna see the game launch with eight maps

i did see that map list that shows 15 but i'm fairly certain several of those aren't gonna be launch day

[pliant orbit]

leaks are saying: 14 regular mp maps, 1 br map, 9 campaign maps

4 of those mp maps are remade maps from older titles

[autumn adder]

surely a few of the BC2 maps are gonna make it in

[radiant heath]

and since we're all but certain that one BR map isn't coming at launch, I'm kinda thinking at least a few of those 14 aren't either

[autumn adder]

shit having them in those cq64 playlists in 2042 was probably one of the only things that kept the game afloat

[pliant orbit]

no bc2 maps :((

hardline, bf4, b3

[autumn adder]

that would be a negative iq moment

[astral ice]

Were there any bc2 maps in portal?

[tribal mortar]

Kbm for console on bf6 ?

[radiant heath]

valparaiso

[astral ice]

Ty

[radiant heath]

i wouldn't be surprised at all if we get some of those classic portal maps ported over. nostalgia makes players happy, and if they're already mostly built it saves time and money

[astral ice]

Good points 👍

[radiant heath]

ope, forgot Arica Harbor as well, that was a good one

i'd forgotten that was BC2

[versed token]

I don't agree

[radiant heath]

with what lol

[versed token]

That it's good

[radiant heath]

ah that's fine

[astral ice]

Very good. I never played bc2 mp, just the campaign (laggy microwave internet back then) so nice maps

[autumn adder]

BC2 in its time was amaaazing, and yeah having those maps in the AoW?/CQ64 portal playlist was so nice because we all know what 2042 maps were like

[astral ice]

It definitely has the best campaign: characters, humor and comradery, maps, loyalty,

I miss those in the campaigns that came afterwards

[glad trench]

How else would he be able to farm views(still barely gets any) and Reddit karma

[feral garden]

Who knows.

[glad trench]

But did you know he played on a competitive BF4 team?

[rustic trench]

I have some suggestions for improving the gameplay of Battlefield
1、The map mounted M2 machine guns and TOW missiles won't respawn until some time after the destruction, we hope this can be improved by giving Engineer class the ability to repair.
2、The current map and vehicle based M2 machine gun's iron sight can't be use, it's a special design but I still hope we can use the sights the weapons provide instead of the virtual one.
3、Where's the classic capture point flag ??? Not really helping the gameplay but it's a symbol !!! Watching own side's flag raising, that satisfying feeling is something draws me into the franchise !!!
4、Some weapon's ADS reload animations seems to be missing
Thank you DICE!🌸

[long trail]

and selfheal need to be removed from game eaither why we need medics bags if selfheal access lol

this system break the teamplay !

[rustic trench]

?Are you talking about the medic's expert supplies? But previous games also allowed self-healing

[long trail]

i talking about all clss they got autoheal

[rustic trench]

oh~you mean like bf5

[long trail]

my point is who healing is just a medic not self or whatever

[rustic trench]

But I personally think it is difficult to change, after all, the leader of this production is from the former COD

The only compromise is that the speed of blood recovery from breathing becomes very slow.

[long trail]

or if they want healself make it heal half the hp so its force u to go to medic to heal full

its so dump how they think !!! cant understand

[rustic trench]

bro

i think you need go to squad

[long trail]

bro iplay bf since bf2 !

why u need medics if ur hp heal full in 2 secund !?!

[rustic trench]

BF2 is indeed a good game, but it is too old, and some new players find it difficult to adapt to such a mechanism, just like the random ballistic dispersion of BF4.

After all, dice is going to make money

[glad trench]

Ya and modern gaming has passed you by

[rustic trench]

for new player

[rustic trench]

But as a compromise, I support the health mechanism of bf5

[tribal mortar]

Kbm for console on bf6 ?

[radiant heath]

@severe anvil ^^

i think they posted in a bunch of places

idk how else to tag moderation

[severe anvil]

#how-to-report-and-appeal no need to ping staff.

[radiant heath]

thank you!

[polar wharf]

I was chosen for that bf6 beta last time but I couldnt go through the settings. I was kinda stuck where you can change the settings for the colour blind people. There was no button to start the game. Will it be the same with the upcoming Beta? Any Tips? Help?

[nimble bridge]

They made assault useless and decided to change a basic medpen with a stimulant that boosts your movement speed a bit, highlights enemies when you see them and makes footsteps more audible

[weak obsidian]

give assault like a ladder or something IDK

[nimble bridge]

Issue is none of them are as good as medpen itself, assault had it's purpose before, frontlines soldier with limited self sufficiency, medpens aren't as good as healing crates since you can't recharge them in 2042, but they are faster, you can spam 2 of them in 4 seconds

Now BF6 assault is just a worse support, might as well use support and have both infinite healing and ammo

[feral garden]

Assault is being reworked, so whatever.

[nimble bridge]

Assault was good before this change, maybe lacked gadgets besides launchers

They should rework recon before assault anyways, you won't be off the minimap with those gadgets and perks

[feral garden]

k

[weak obsidian]

I do find it kinda weird that they had a completely selfish class gadget

that's probably why it's being reworked

[nimble bridge]

Killing enemy team is teamwork

[weak obsidian]

yes but technically every other class can also do that

[minor linden]

I wonder if they've removed that one perk that spots people that spot you

I hope they did cause punishing someone for doing what they're supposed to do is quite bad design-wise

[weak obsidian]

but no other class can give out supplies or repair etc

[nimble bridge]

Engineer is selfish by the logic, engineer only cares about killing enemy tanks, not doing teamwork

[weak obsidian]

they're also on repair duty

but uh most engineers forget about that sadly

[glad trench]

It's already in 2042 with Rao/Paik, and it's not a problem there

[weak obsidian]

didn't Paik get nerfed to the ground

[glad trench]

her wall hack yes

but her passive that spots people she damages is still there

[weak obsidian]

I mean that's whatever tbh

it's just a better hit indicator

[minor linden]

That is not at all what I was talking about

[glad trench]

oh you talking about the auto spot while scoped?

[minor linden]

Nope

I'm talking about the thing where you'd spot a recon and instantly get spotted yourself

[glad trench]

I don't see that in either class tree

[minor linden]

I swear it was there. Must've been removed then

[glad trench]

may have been a perk when recon had the arty stike too

[minor linden]

Yeah. I think it was

[weak obsidian]

whats the recons "ult" now?

[glad trench]

the uav call in

[minor linden]

Iirc it's a UAV for both trees now

[glad trench]

in one of the many leaked vid postings on reddit in the last few days there was a few with the map pulled up and you could see it

[weak obsidian]

oh

rip the arty strike

[minor linden]

It sounded interesting. I can see why they removed it tho

[glad trench]

apparently it was super spammy

once you'd get like 10-15 mins into a match it was like nonstop from all the recons calling them in

[inland glacier]

Prolly be less spammable if there was an alternative for the alternative tree or something

[royal sphinx]

So did they walk back the whole "unlocked weapons for all classes" thing yet or are they intent on shipping a dead game again? Any word on the perks being deleted or is that going to ship? I think the perks could be tolerable if you had locked weapons. Otherwise everyone is just going to play the same meta busted class (based on perks) with whatever weapon they want.

[rugged seal]

Perks have been in each game, they aren't something new

[inland glacier]

That’ll depend on what the beta is offering to us rly

[royal sphinx]

There has been nothing like "have 3 instant fix everything stims" tier perks before my guy. Not even 2042 had that, but it did have the "fix everything once you kill" which was pretty disgusting. About as disgusting as the new perk system.

Also there were no perks in 1942, BF2, 2142, BC1 & 2 or BF3, you know the good ones'.

[glad trench]

Oh ya, 2042 is nothing but meta busted class using whatever weapon they want…

Absolutely no meta sweats in any other BF

BF3 had perks you chimp

More BF boomers unable to cope with an evolving game and shooter market

[royal sphinx]

Extra nade, extra mag, longer sprinting.

These are NOTHING compared to the "enable 4 healthbars mode" in 6.

[rugged seal]

They already said they removed the healing from stims.

[royal sphinx]

Or "double health driving tank"

[rugged seal]

https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Specializations also take a look at this lol

[royal sphinx]

Longer spring, extra mag, extra nade, flack for engie. Nothing like double-tank-health, 4x health, 2x repair, or giga-spot.

[glad trench]

Longer sprint in a game with limited sprinting is just as “broken” as you’re making increased repair speed look

Or 4x health when the med pen has already been removed

Again, more BF boomers incapable of evolving and stuck in the past

[minor linden]

They already removed or reworked a lot of the bad perks/features

• Health Stim is gone for Assault (Imo they should've added a limit instead of fully getting rid of it, but 🤷 )
• Mortar Strikes have been removed from Recon
• Mirror Spotting has been removed from Recon
• Double launchers has been removed from Engi
• Double primaries is either being reworked or removed from Assault

[crimson moss]

it is yes

Like if i see people say that kd/kpm not only doesnt matter within gameplay and tell me that its not relevant im just automatically going to assume they are bad at the game

Like you cant tell me that kd doesnt matter if you argue that reviving everyone is the most important thing in the game, you cant tell me kpm is unimportant when the entire idea of the game is to have less enemies by killing, more teammates by winning more fights and getting more revives

[weak obsidian]

where is the double tank or the other afformentioned perks

[crimson moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239788202745921536/1399898342175281182/image.png?ex=688aac6d&is=68895aed&hm=84a81fa6142c002a4b16277751ba255598f536648bfa32b2214f12d4e364da42& their team had more kills therefor they were also alive more because they were actively winning more gunfights meaning they had more map control

i could possibly not win that game if my team is permanently dead and not killing anything

[minor linden]

Does engi still have the instant repair tier-4? That could be what they're talking about

[crimson moss]

they werent dead more often than the enemy because they werent getting revived, they were dead more often because they lost the gunfights

[weak obsidian]

I bet they probably removed it by now

idk I haven't really paid close attention to the training lines

[weak obsidian]

disgusting sounds a bit too harsh

the BF community is weird . . .

[astral ice]

Be nice to add sync kills, ala ghost recon

I suppose we can just do that via voice com, though

But with everyone zipping around like bees...

[glad trench]

Just increased repair tool afaik

[astral ice]

Wondering if devs could increase incentives for camping

[crimson moss]

this entirely depends on map design

camping is something that will happen regardless

[rugged seal]

Why would anyone want more camping

[astral ice]

Bc it works; can tell bc it irritates run-n-gun players

[rugged seal]

It irritates people who actually are playing the game?