battlefield-labs-discussion

[kindred karma]

It does change how you approach an enemy if you know for sure that he's a sniper because he is wearing a ghillie suit

[minor linden]

It is quite literally the same situation as if guns were class locked and gadgets weren’t

[proven sand]

if hes a sniper youll see a bright ass scope glint blinding you

[flint atlas]

its not nothing, theres a reason 2042 is regarded as the worst entry in the franchise

[rotund pier]

if you are fighting a sniper you aren't going to rush towards them in a straight line, you'll look for cover and advance quickly, if the enemy has an SMG you don't have to hide as much and if you have an AR you might be able to engage them better than they can engage you

[mossy atlas]

even if "snipers can now use an ammo box and camp" okay so? Better for them to redeploy, waste a jet as air taxi and resume camping 20 seconds later?

[rotund pier]

it's a game of rock paper scissor

[proven sand]

i can blow shit up and i had fun playing it so i dont see it as that bad

[crude bronze]

bro stfu and go praise this 2042 nonsense system somewhere else

[covert nest]

You'll be able to tell what weapon a player is using by the way theyre playing.

Assault rifles and lmgs make it more difficult for sure and there should be ways to incentivise them.

[proven sand]

also do you guys fucking identify if someone is a sniper by their clothes?

[crude bronze]

what good is a medic with a sniper rifle srsly

[covert nest]

Posture

[proven sand]

if a sniper lets you get that fucking close hes a shitty sniper

[flint atlas]

ive had my fun with it too but i can recognise its not as good as previous titles and want them to make 6 better

[oak condor]

the guiding principle for the new game seems to be "make it as random and unpredictable as possible"

[covert nest]

But usually if they sit at a distance its a strong indicator..

[rotund pier]

yes

you could tell in 3 and 4

[covert nest]

Im more sick of 2042's stale meta game to be fair.

[rotund pier]

not so much in this one cuz all the soldiers look similar tbh

[flint atlas]

you could definitely indentify snipers in 3 at least at a glance

[proven sand]

i identify snipers because they have a bright ass scope glint and take away my entire hp when they shoot me

[kindred karma]

Guess someone never quickscoped in an fps

[proven sand]

yeah no idgaf about quick scoping

and idgaf about tryharding

[kindred karma]

We can tell

[covert nest]

This isnt the 2012s anymore

[dense adder]

To be honest, this class system will never work

[flint atlas]

i dont use scopes with glint, x4 is always enough, what about that

[covert nest]

Or 17

[minor linden]

I’m more concerned with snipers having anti-air

One of the biggest counters to snipers is helis and jets. Giving snipers anti-air capabilities ruins the whole balance between them

[crimson moss]

imo bf1 scout ads time was pretty decent

[proven sand]

then i die and respawn and go do something else or go hunt you down

[crimson moss]

2042 ads time is a tad slow

[golden cloak]

Go back to COD

[proven sand]

COD is ass anyways lol

[oak condor]

shh, the adults are talking

[flint atlas]

also the sniper at the back of the map sniping ppl is never going to matter, its the one thats actually in the area, near flags, doing stuff

[zenith glacier]

lmao what is that take

[kindred karma]

Didn't know quickscoping was game specific cuh

[mossy atlas]

okay, so what? Pop flares/ECM and strafe run the sniper. One stinger missile won't take you out.

[proven sand]

just respawn and find him bruh

[golden cloak]

You guys are talking about wanting the game to be real and then talk about quickscoping

[crude bronze]

too young to understand

[flint atlas]

who said "real"

[crimson moss]

no one asked for a realistic shooter game

its an arcade

[zenith glacier]

Nah Quick scope only belongs in cod /s

[proven sand]

try harding is still lame

[sudden wolf]

💯

[proven sand]

imagine not playing games to have fun in 2025

[topaz cave]

tbh, i love bf1 and bf4 movement than bfv and 2042

[crimson moss]

i think you can balance the ads time for scouts to be decent bf1 did really good with ads time on scouts

[flint atlas]

bf4 movement is very clunky

[zenith glacier]

sure. No old game had quick scoping. hahaha

[kindred karma]

Tryharding ≠ Having skill 😭

[crimson moss]

better than 1s atleast

atleast it had movement

kek

[oak condor]

bf1 and bf4 are complete polar opposites, wdym

[proven sand]

bf1 was fun too

[flint atlas]

every title after 4 had better movement

[crimson moss]

this tbh

[proven sand]

i wish bf4 servers werent like 90% locker

[grand cloak]

Is battlefield labs in closed beta state rn

[flint atlas]

you get stuck on so much map geometry on 4

[crimson moss]

when was the last time you played 1? you get constantly stuck or glitched on micro pixels lol

[proven sand]

i never rlly liked locker it was kinda lame

[topaz cave]

i guess bf1 movement is way better

[flint atlas]

use Battlelog web browser and search for servers, loads of not lockers servers

[crimson moss]

theres no movement in 1

[zenith glacier]

Idk. I played BF4 after BF1 and BF4 felt more clunky. ie it is hard to tell what you can vault over and what not

[crimson moss]

bf4 had air strafing and stabilization jumps

[minor linden]

The big issue I have with no class locked weapons is class identity and balance.

Seperate class weapons means that there is never a universally best weapon

[dire comet]

i play bf since bf 2 i love this dang ol game

[flint atlas]

i find the in game server browser for bf4 is really bad

[kindred haven]

there is a typo in the new bf post about bf labs

[crude bronze]

every og uses battlelog

[minor linden]

Only on pc

On console it’s relatively the same

[topaz cave]

then why i can move in 1

[radiant heath]

Yeah this is it for me. I find myself fighting way more weapon variety with class locked

[flint atlas]

1 is much smoother than 4 for getting around

[crimson moss]

theres no movement mechanics aside from standard movement options

[covert nest]

My issue is the balancing to be honest. I ironically dont care whatever class gets snipers they can still be useless but im more concerned over the same shit of just running medic with zero consequences.

[wary depot]

When do the plebs get access to labs

I’m dyin ova here

[oak condor]

bf1 has... a slide that's slower than just walking

[zenith glacier]

Because that is the actual playerbase lol

[crimson moss]

in bf5 you had jump leaning, jump shotting, omni slide etc etc bf4 you had air strafing then rouzou vouzou mouzou if you want to count those, stabilization jump, slithering,

[covert nest]

I dont mind smgs on medic, true smgs because hey they are still pretty limited.

[crimson moss]

bf2042 imo had a very well rounded movement system actually

[topaz cave]

bf1 movement is so heavy with the mix of realistic and arcade

[covert nest]

I love bueno sliding.

[kindred karma]

Never forget release bf1 slide canceling 💔

[crimson moss]

decent slide mechanic with bhops and good animations

bf5s slide animations are kinda awkward to catch

[mossy atlas]

balancing can benefit from all-class weapons since guns will have to be balanced against each other, not just within the same category

[crude bronze]

nope.

[crimson moss]

because its so sudden and semi laggy

[minor linden]

That’s because sliding is supposed to be for ducking behind cover in 1. It’s not meant to be a movement tech.

[radiant heath]

Smgs and DMRs as medic was best imo, gave two types of play styles with each having tradeoffs

[minor linden]

That already happens with class locked weapons lol

[flint atlas]

we should go back to 1942/bf2 dolphin diving and bhopping, can you imagine

bf2 bhopping was so bad some servers would kick you if you did it

[crimson moss]

we are playing an FPS game where you want to be fighting others and having fun gunfights, having movement mechanic adds more complexity and skill gap

which makes the game imo more interesting to play

[zenith glacier]

imagine battlefield with quake movement 💀

[mossy atlas]

not really, assault rifles were usually the best all-rounders

[nova mauve]

Titanfall 2 💀

[oak condor]

and it's worse in every way than just walking and crouching, how does that work?

[flint atlas]

what

[crimson moss]

id be happy with another 2042 or 5 movement mechanics

[flint atlas]

quake and titanfall are very different

[crimson moss]

easy to master but adds something to gunfights

[modern zealot]

Urban Terror! Was a Quake 3 total conversion mod back in the day. with modern guns, strafe & circle jumping lol

[tribal kettle]

someone from the ea team can help me out changing the plattform

[flint atlas]

team fortress is closer to quake than titnafall

[topaz cave]

I HOPE THEY ADD ULTRAKILL SLIDING AND GRAPPLING HOOK

[crimson moss]

whats an ultrakill slide supposed to be

[modern zealot]

The grappling hook in BF2: Special Forces was pretty cool

[high trail]

Not even close. BFV movement was the best and immersive

[zenith glacier]

Damn didn’t know about that. Quake was a thing a few generations before me.

[nova mauve]

Slam storage when

[topaz cave]

spam slide and you can go faster than light

[minor linden]

That’s their niche? Assault rifles are the all-rounders that suck compared to the intended weapon for each range. They need to be balanced to avoid being too powerful in every range

Previous bad balancing doesn’t mean that it can’t be balanced correctly

[flint atlas]

no class locked weapons will mean mostly assault rifles/lmgs everywhere too, i think the ideal method is powerful gadgets with class locked weapons

[crimson moss]

idk jump leaning was kinda difficult to catch/react to

[minor linden]

Sure if they cut cross-play

[modern zealot]

Generations? dang I'm not that old! 😆

[zenith glacier]

Played a bit of champions and live, but playerbase is so low it takes ages to find matches with evenly skilled players

[flint atlas]

if you have class locked weapons you will see more variety in matches

man Live was cool

[oak condor]

haha i fucking wish

[flint atlas]

champions was a bit meh

i never got too into it

[crimson moss]

same

[zenith glacier]

Was born 2004 xD

[crimson moss]

legit the only reason why i dont really play 2042 is because of crossplay

[minor linden]

This. Instead of just thinking “what’s the best weapon”, people have to think “what’s the best weapon for this class”

[crimson moss]

the lobbies are so zzz

[covert nest]

Id get into champions but too late

[flint atlas]

i grew up on Quake 3 Arena vs bots and had a lot of fun playing Live when it came out

[mossy atlas]

and locking weapons to specific classes doesn't mean they'll be balanced properly

[crimson moss]

just perma farming prone console players

nothing going on

[minor linden]

Not locking weapons to specific classes doesn’t mean they wont be balanced properly

[radiant heath]

Input based priority would be better, I still like having crossplay

[flint atlas]

i dont mind playing vs console players as long as the aim assist they get isnt over tuned

[zenith glacier]

I was actually kinda disappointed we got another doom game. Cmon Id, give us a proper quale remake with old school multiplayer

[mossy atlas]

yeah, exactly my point, why limit options if either option can be imbalanced?

[crimson moss]

they could make it so that when a console player joins with a friend theyll be put into pc lobbies or something theres been similar systems like that before

[covert nest]

Im not bothered with battlefields crossplay. Easy game sure but thats that.

[minor linden]

For class identity

Why can’t we lock weapons if both can be imbalanced?

[crimson moss]

could keep crossplay just not filled with ai tier players

[covert nest]

Eh Bethesda wants them to do doom so you know.

[warm aspen]

Can we still join?

[zenith glacier]

Yeah probably makes more money I guess

[oak condor]

ADS snap puts in a lot of work for the average roller player in bf

[flint atlas]

i dont think arena shooters are popular enough anymore, they are pretty basic compared to todays standards, i like them personally bc i grew up with them but lots of ppl didnt and expect more than just a skin shooting a gun, not sure what they need to come back

[mossy atlas]

class identity is still there, medic can't fight vehicles, assault can't revive, support won't put down a spawn beacon

[minor linden]

Fr. Console vs Console servers should be preserved. Console and pc have totally different playing styles

[zenith glacier]

but still I remember they teased quake in a video 2 year or so ago

[crimson moss]

roller players dont even play the game i swear

[nimble bridge]

Class locked weapons automatically makes it a better BF, I don't want to see medic snipers, might as well not have classes at all like 2042 launch

[crimson moss]

zzz gameplay

[flint atlas]

you know its bad when Epic just turn off the unreal servers desipte Unreal being the game that made them

they have money to burn they just dont care about arena shooters anymore

and if epic dont, who does

[crimson moss]

i personally dont care if its class locked or not tbh

[modern zealot]

Never once seen someone using the medic class with a sniper rifle in all my hours playing 2042, seen plenty of medics running around not reviving people though lol

[nimble bridge]

I saw many PP Mackay users

[zenith glacier]

Tbh the attempts to revive them were pretty bad. There was one arena shooter with rouge lite elements. I forgot the name of that.

[covert nest]

Default classes would push it too

[minor linden]

The issue isn’t sniper medics. It’s every class getting assault rifles

[nimble bridge]

PP29 Mackay wouldn't exist if SMGs were locked to engineers as it should be

[flint atlas]

theres a 2nd Splitgate coming out soon I think, that was kinda popular but nevevr went anywhere

ill have to try it

[zenith glacier]

played that one at gamescom last year

[golden cloak]

Splitgate was fun

[crimson moss]

isnt mackay supposed to be an assault type character though

[covert nest]

I think if medic could only use lmgs and smgs the majority would just use smgs

Which is why they've done that

[mossy atlas]

2042 has that and despite everybody having access to ARs, there's variety. There's always gonna be meta, sure, but at least you're not locked to that particular class anymore.

[crimson moss]

depends

[nimble bridge]

Assault shouldn't use SMGs, Mackay also has faster strafing, SMG Mackay is as fast as pistols

[crimson moss]

if pc probs smgs would dominate

[modern zealot]

LMGs? you mean assault rifles

[crimson moss]

console players will just prone lmgs

[covert nest]

Lmgs

[crimson moss]

classic

[flint atlas]

battlefield LMGs are mostly big mag assault rifles half the time anyway

[crimson moss]

ye

[mossy atlas]

with worse spread, yep

[flint atlas]

MG4 in BF4 and the AWS were just better ars unless u wanted cqc then u get the AEK

[minor linden]

Idk why you think that less player choice is bad. Less player choice can be very fun while more player choice can be detrimental

[crimson moss]

with slower draw times, slower ads times and more recoil/visual recoil

[minor linden]

It just depends on how they do it

[zenith glacier]

And year long reload times

[crimson moss]

aek my beloved 😍

[flint atlas]

most of the bf4 lmgs were on par with assault rifles for every stat

but, you had to choose, medic or support

[crimson moss]

all the 1 frames from zouzouers with 150 ping 🥰

[zenith glacier]

F2000 my beloved

[flint atlas]

so you saw a mix of both

[mossy atlas]

I didn't say less choice = bad, but valid point

[tepid current]

How many got invited today?

[covert nest]

Bf5 lmgs were my favourite.

They were so much fun.

[flint atlas]

imagine if BF4 weapons werent class locked, youd have ppl with med box, ammo and lmgs and nothing else

[covert nest]

3x bren was amazing

[zenith glacier]

I hated it xD

[crimson moss]

ngl i liked bf1s support kit the most

[flint atlas]

class locked weapons also means each weapon can be a lot more unique and powerful in its own niche

[crimson moss]

a very wide mix of mgs and lmgs

[flint atlas]

funny thing about design, when you have restrictions and limits, it tends to bring out more creativity

[mossy atlas]

or get so niche that nobody bothers using them, kinda like half of weapons in BF4 after all the DLCs

[balmy hazel]

The sniping in BF1 felt so good to me

[crimson moss]

ye

[crimson moss]

its ass

[zenith glacier]

Anyone knows if there is a preload for labs? And which launcher is it on for PC? purely theoretical

[covert nest]

I like the idea of signature weapons and traits but im curious how much it'll do to sway weapon selection in the classes favour.

[crimson moss]

idk why they thought that sweetspot was a well rounded and balanced mechanic

• it doing like 70-90 damage on regular bodyhits

[flint atlas]

bf4 just had so many guns, thats inevitable, but none of them are so bad you cant use them

[balmy hazel]

Nah it was just really satisfying not sure why tbh

[crimson moss]

bf5 did their scout the best imo

[minor linden]

The recon one will make exactly 0% more people want to use guns on their proper classes

[flint atlas]

absolutely nothing, ppl will use what they want unless you force them out of it with class locked stuff

[crimson moss]

more balanced

[covert nest]

I think im done arguing about battlefield. Any mention and my burnout becomes apparent.

[minor linden]

It’s literally just better breath holding

[covert nest]

Better stabilisation yea

[mossy atlas]

true, but at the same time, a lot of these niche weapons will be outperformed by other weapons more specialised to fulfill that role

[covert nest]

And default classes

[zenith glacier]

Easiest Battlefield entry to hit headshots

[covert nest]

I know in the case of 2042 its done something.

[nimble bridge]

It won't if 2042 is any indication

[covert nest]

Though this is anecdotal.

[modern zealot]

The metal helmet 'ting sound

[mossy atlas]

2042 has this, and it's at very least noticable

[crimson moss]

hardest because you cant even see people because it had the worst visibility

[flint atlas]

the only way the signature weapon buffs would make ppl move towards class weapons if it they were massive buffs like reload speed, recoil control, more attachments

[covert nest]

Yea I know I've played 2042.

[balmy hazel]

Yeah 100% that is probably it just pure dopamine

[crimson moss]

bf1 you can push an ez 3-4kpm with scouts

[zenith glacier]

at launch maybe. After they kinda fixed that it was easy af imo

[crimson moss]

same with bf2042

[mossy atlas]

good, I have a feeling a lot of people here didn't

[flint atlas]

i cant say ive ever considered the class buffs, i just use the gun i want to use with the gadget i want to use and go

[minor linden]

That exact thing will happen even if you unlock all weapons?

It’s just caused by bad balancing or having too many weapons

[crimson moss]

the visibility is til this day garbage

[minor linden]

If anything, it’ll happen more

[zenith glacier]

Is it? Haven’t played it since two years at least

[crimson moss]

yes lol

it had major backlash because of the visibility being so horrid

it also makes games insanely slow to play

[mossy atlas]

too many weapons imo, there's a breaking point at which even if you balance everything well, some options will simply be more viable

[crimson moss]

bf1 players have higher kpms in a "slower paced game" than bf5 players in a more movement oriented fast game

[zenith glacier]

I see

[nimble bridge]

NGL due to horrible visibility I enjoy BFV more 😂

[crimson moss]

becuase you just simply cant even ever see what youre shooting at

so you need to hypercancer your positioning

[covert nest]

My eyes and ears have lost all training.

I cant hear or see shit on bf5.

[nimble bridge]

I can smoke and run around without care in BFV, I will be dead the moment I do that in BF1 or 2042

[crimson moss]

headglitching was also worse in bf5 because the playermodels were super slim compared to 1

[covert nest]

And I used to be amazing on that.

[zenith glacier]

Well i just looked up my bfv stats. Got 1733 kills with Kar98 and 1366 of them are headshots

[crimson moss]

2042 smoke disables any player though it just shuts their brains off its pretty funny

[minor linden]

I agree. Unlocking all weapons just makes the issue worse though. Why would someone pick niche guns within the class that are more leaned towards how other guns act when you can just pick the other gun

[covert nest]

I like placing claymores in smoke

[crimson moss]

they just stay still playing dead inside of smokes

[crimson moss]

nice rat

[covert nest]

Look

Offensive claymore.

[crimson moss]

ratgamingTTV

[mossy atlas]

preference, I 'spose

[covert nest]

Damn that makes you mad

[crimson moss]

prolly claymores on ropes aswell

[covert nest]

Nah

Requires more braincells than the majority of shit in 2042 that's for sure.

[crimson moss]

lol

[minor linden]

Not a lot of people go based off of preferences though

Why would anybody use a dmr more leaned towards close engagements when they can just use a carbine or assault rifle

Why would carbines ever be used when you can just pick an assault rifle

[mossy atlas]

I used to think that people will chase meta all the time, but I think you'd be surprised

how it actually plays out

[daring lantern]

No class based weapons. They will never learn.

[nimble bridge]

I heard SMGs are 💩 in this game which is good

[crimson moss]

seems boring

[nimble bridge]

Carbines are going to be meta if SMGs are shit

Or ARs

[crimson moss]

probs AR's

[nimble bridge]

I would say carbines

[daring lantern]

Who said carbines are even a thing?

[covert nest]

Assault rifles will be the go to. Especially the m416.

[crimson moss]

can you talk about alr leaked stuff that youve seen or will i get perma banned the moment i mention anything

[daring lantern]

Don’t

[crimson moss]

aight

[minor linden]

SMGs should never be the overall meta imo

The assault rifles are meant to be the all-around gun category

[vivid temple]

Btflabs it’s available on LATAM? Someone know?

[south pawn]

siiggghhh, not UN-locked weapons AGAIN.

[crimson moss]

bf1 had good balance imo

[mossy marten]

not yet

[crimson moss]

you could zerg pretty hard with smgs but you could outplay zergers with spacing

[mossy marten]

eventually, probably it will

[crimson moss]

and in bf5 you had some semi smg tier assault rifles

[vivid temple]

Ok

[south pawn]

they are actively not listening in this regard 💀

[crimson moss]

oh yeah in bf1 you also had like for example burton and autoloading you could contest smg players with

[urban meteor]

you were told that classes must have specific weapons, you said yes, because this change of direction. we cod do not want it, we want the real battlefield. very bad.

[daring lantern]

SMGs should have an effective range of like 60 meters. Carbines 150 in semi, ARs 250 in semi. Recoil should make it hard to hit targets beyond 60 meters in full auto on all weapons except bipod mounted LMGs, and those should have debuffs to make them require certain playstyles

[minor linden]

They’re slightly listening. They’re adding “incentives” to using the correct guns

[crimson moss]

nah 60m effective range is a very far stretch lol

[south pawn]

they did that in 2042 and it did absolutely nothin lol

[minor linden]

Is this based on irl or just feeling?

[daring lantern]

60 meters is not that far in a battlefield game

[mossy atlas]

60m effective range is like 95% of engagements

[minor linden]

Please don’t say irl

[crimson moss]

that would mean that the maps are insanely big and the engagement distances are hyper long again like in 2042

[covert nest]

I dont even see the point of smgs if the m416 exists as it does right now and its insane.

[crimson moss]

in bf2042 maybe

[south pawn]

I love support classes at the back of the map sniping hurray!

[fossil yew]

They need to lock guns to certain classes

[south pawn]

exaaaactly

[daring lantern]

Both. The SIG Spear is meant to address the M4 being kind of a lost cause at longer ranges

[covert nest]

Am40 killed smg viability for a good while. You could use a pbx and do well I agree though the hs multiplier broke the weapon in my experience.

[daring lantern]

The real effective range of an M4 even with an optic is like 300m

5.56 isn’t stable beyond that

[crimson moss]

nah

[daring lantern]

700 is like, the absolute maximum range you can touch things with 5.56

[honest cliff]

Because it was basically an SMG but with AR bonuses

[crimson moss]

300m is a very far stretch lol and i had a R-20 in military with an optical sight

[covert nest]

Well thats what Ive been saying in general for years. But now dead game.

[crimson moss]

which is like a slightly more updated m4

[daring lantern]

I’m talking about effective range, not the max range you personally were able to be accurate at.

[crimson moss]

ah yeah

maybe

[daring lantern]

Actually being able to shoot 300m with an AR15 is more down to the shooter, which is what I would like BF6 to represent

It should be difficult but not impossible

[crimson moss]

idk i wouldnt like to get hit from 300m by AR's

adds way too much rng elements

[nimble bridge]

BF isn't a milisim

[crimson moss]

that would also mean that the maps are badly designed if its possible

[daring lantern]

Please shut up and save that BS for Reddit

[nimble bridge]

SMGs should have 15 meter effective range

Then damage dropoff should begin

[crimson moss]

bf1 it was like max 20m with smgs

[daring lantern]

that's not effective range lol

[crimson moss]

semi autos was like max 80 but preferable engagement range was 30-40m

and full auto like 30m max

[nimble bridge]

You can use SMGs in any range but 15 meter was ideal in BFV

[crimson moss]

yeah

[daring lantern]

air drag should pull bullets off course imo

[crimson moss]

bf5 had a pretty decent engagement distance

[daring lantern]

instead of just slowing them down

[crimson moss]

too bad that the gunplay itself was ass

[nimble bridge]

Yeah

[crimson moss]

nah

[daring lantern]

BFV's gunplay would be better if they had a more natural feeling, less jerky recoil system

[crimson moss]

the recoil system was entirely random that was the main issue with it

[daring lantern]

why not? the other alternative is the stupid "cone of fire" random bullet deviation which simulates the same thing except immediately when your bullet leaves the barrel

[nimble bridge]

BFV with proper spread and team balancer would be goated

[crimson moss]

because its an arcade shooter

some niche irl elements wont really work well imo

[nimble bridge]

No, Battlefield is a milisim 🤣

[daring lantern]

battlefield is halfway between arcade and tactical

[crimson moss]

lol no

[daring lantern]

yes it really is.

and it always has been

[crimson moss]

like tactical obviously but its an arcade game

[rotund pier]

So are they slowly sending out invites or does everyone already have their invites

[golden cloak]

Think slowly

[rotund pier]

like, if I don't have it rn does it mean I just won't have access to this playtest or

[daring lantern]

yeah, there is such a thing as an arcade tactical shooter. tactical shooter doesn't mean milsim or realistic. it means it's a game that takes more brainpower to play than "press W and left click"

Valorant is a tactical shooter, so is CSGO. they are some of the most unrealistic games ever

[crimson moss]

yeah but bf has never been about that

[daring lantern]

yes it has LOL

[crimson moss]

where

[daring lantern]

literally since 1942

[lament badge]

Clearly battlefield is a procedurally generated open world survival building game

[crimson moss]

bf4 had a similar spread, visual recoil and mechanical recoil system like csgo has

[near rampart]

imo Battlefield’s vehicle gameplay is tactical, but infantry is super arcade

[crimson moss]

so did bf1

and bf3

[daring lantern]

the only BF game that I would say isn't a tactical shooter is the Bad Company spinoff series

[mossy marten]

people clearly don't remember Lars Gustavson (creator of BF) saying that BF is a run n' gun game

also BF4 doesn't have visual recoil

[lament badge]

Speaking of, when BC3

[nimble bridge]

Probably never

[daring lantern]

BF4 has visual recoil, it just doesn't effect the reticle. there was a whole big thing about that when bf4 was fresh because originally it did move the reticle, and the reticle didn't match up to your actual point of aim

[crimson moss]

it does

[nimble bridge]

Had*

[daring lantern]

no it still does have it

[nimble bridge]

They removed it after a patch

[verbal crypt]

BF has never been on the super tactical side it’s always been an arcade shooter lol

[daring lantern]

no, they removed reticle bounce

[crimson moss]

they added it after a patch* iirc

[prime peak]

Locked weapon please

[nimble bridge]

Nah, they removed visual recoil from BF4, they added visual recoil to 2042

[mossy marten]

that's not really "visual recoil" as it's defined now
visual recoil includes reticle bounce while firing

[daring lantern]

visual recoil was always in the game and still is. unless your gun sits perfectly still when shooting and your entire screen moves up, there's visual recoil

[daring lantern]

no it doesn't.

visual recoil is the "art" side of recoil in video games

[crimson moss]

it does

[daring lantern]

any weapon movement onscreen is visual recoil, and mechanical recoil is what moves your screen up or sideways

[lament badge]

I’m going to continue to bring up bad company 3 until I’m boots on the ground as Preston Marlowe

[crimson moss]

visual recoil is just a visual effect of your reticle bouncing when it isnt

[daring lantern]

that's part of visual recoil, but it's not all encompassing

[nimble bridge]

Unrelated but tinfoil hat theory, I think they will class lock weapons in like a week or two to prove how they are ''listening'' to the community, existence of carbines makes no sense otherwise, they could've been just ARs

[loud harness]

There is so much less recoil in bf4 if compared to bf 5 for example

[coral basin]

Lock main types weapons to classes pls, for anyone reading this message in DICE

[loud harness]

When I went back to bf 4 after months of bf 5, I could easily notice it

[tropic thistle]

Unlocked classes honestly makes a bit of sense. In BF3/4 the defined meta weapons lead to some classes being overwhelmingly chosen (AEK assault slop in BF4 for example) , whereas for as milquetoast as 2042 is i never felt a defined meta that annoyed me. If they don't add a class lock I think a ban of one weapon category or so per class makes sense

[crimson moss]

bf4 doesnt really have any recoil yeah

[near rampart]

BC3 will be the true “return” of battlefield that saves the franchise— todays announcement told us it probably won’t be this one

[crimson moss]

its so minimal that its unnoticable

[daring lantern]

AEK would still be the most picked weapon if they weren't class locked. Idk what your argument is

[loud harness]

Exactly

[crimson moss]

same system in bf1 but the visual recoil is much heavier in bf1

[mossy marten]

i mean, there was a "defined meta" to be fair
RM68 during s4, VHX during s6(?), pp29 is still meta for SMGs, BSV in S1

[daring lantern]

BF1 has the best visual recoil imo, i like how the gun rocks back and forth when shooting

[crimson moss]

bf5 is purely mechanical recoil

[crimson moss]

its just screen clutter

and confuses players

[versed token]

💀

[daring lantern]

no it's not lol

you can see the front sight post bouncing in bfv

[crimson moss]

i dont think bf5 had visual recoil?

[mossy marten]

bf1 has the worst with all the screen clutter and reticle bouncing so much lol

[near rampart]

bf1 has the best <everything>

ftfy

[crimson moss]

nah

[daring lantern]

"screen clutter" yall literally have no fucking idea what you're talking about

[tropic thistle]

Yeah but the class roles themselves would have mattered more than funneling into just assault. I'm also hoping that balance is far better this time around as to not allow for something as oppressive as the AEK to take hold

[covert nest]

I can stand whatever the fuck theyre doing just as long as armour isnt a deciding factor in gun fights.

[daring lantern]

the issue was that assault was the medic class. this was fixed in later games with assault providing ammo and medics getting SMGs instead

[nimble bridge]

Nah, BFV has purely mechanical recoil, visual recoil maybe in some DMRs

[crimson moss]

ye

[tropic thistle]

WW3 did something cool with its armor hitboxes (about the only cool thing it did)

[crimson moss]

then i remembered correctly

[nimble bridge]

Selbstlader 1906 kicks like crazy

I think it has visual recoil

[daring lantern]

no you didn't

[loud harness]

What does mechanical recoil mean? I dont really know

[cedar flax]

Give us battlefield labs test in the asia region

[daring lantern]

the part that moves specifically the camera. all weapon movement is visual recoil since it doesn't actually effect your aim, just adds visual flair

[crimson moss]

its like your gun actually recoiling, visual recoil is fake recoil effect that makes your gun look like its recoiling when it isnt

[covert nest]

The selbstlader 1906 was good fun

[nimble bridge]

It's fun but not sure if it had visual or real recoil

[crimson moss]

generally bf has both visual and mechanical but mechanical recoil isnt very noticable since its so minimal

[daring lantern]

i don't think you understand how big a percentage of weapon recoil in video games is visual recoil. if a game truly had zero visual recoil it would look like fucking dog piss because the gun would have zero animations whatsoever

[cedar flax]

Give us battlefield labs test in the asia region

[crimson moss]

or you could just have better actual recoil

[covert nest]

Oh hey mechwarrior 2 has been released on xbox

[daring lantern]

that's not how recoil works. moving the camera doesn't magically make your gun look like it's shooting

[crimson moss]

takes more mastery than minimal mechanical recoil with random screen clutter

[tropic thistle]

Basically every CS clone game out there

Snoozefest visually

[warm sparrow]

Man I hope I get an invite to play bf6.

[daring lantern]

no one wants to see a gun sitting perfectly still but the camera moving jarringly fast up the screen. that's why visual recoil is important, and mechanical recoil doesn't need to be unforgiving in a game that everyone is pretty vehemently saying is an arcade shooter

[crimson moss]

cs is more about spread control than recoil control anyway tbf

[daring lantern]

the spread in CSGO is recoil lol

[crimson moss]

those are 2 entirely seperate mechanics

[daring lantern]

it's predictive, pattern based recoil

[daring lantern]

not in CS

[tropic thistle]

As long as the reticle is accurate when the shot actually happens everything else is fine imo

[crimson moss]

spread pattern isnt recoil?

lol

[daring lantern]

in CS it literally is.

[crimson moss]

what

how does that make any sense

[daring lantern]

if you played CS you would understand

[zenith glacier]

the spread in CS is very little tbh

[crimson moss]

recoil is your gun swaying either horizontally or vertically from kickback

[minor linden]

I actually play a game with this. It’s incredibly silly looking. It feels like you don’t have any recoil at all even though a lot of guns have very strong recoil

[crimson moss]

bullet spread is your bullets spreading

you either have predictive spread or random spread

spread increase and spread decrease

[daring lantern]

CS has basically no bullet spread. it has predictive recoil patterns

[crimson moss]

is this a new cs2 thing

[daring lantern]

it's recoil. you pull your mouse down to control it

[zenith glacier]

yup

[daring lantern]

it's been that way since CSS

[crimson moss]

ah you just dont understand it then nvm

[daring lantern]

"you don't understand it"

• guy who VERY OBVIOUSLY doesn't understand it

[shut comet]

[crimson moss]

you think spread and recoil are 1 in the same when they are seprate mechanics lol

[daring lantern]

CSGO doesn't have "spread patterns" it has spray patterns. you're literally not even using the correct terminology, and it's all recoil

[crimson moss]

you obviously control recoil and spread but it doesnt mean its 1 mechanic

[daring lantern]

the spread in CS is very negligable

you don't control spread.

[zenith glacier]

Recoil pattern: The pattern the bullet follow depending on the recoil
Spread: the RNG the bullets can spread withing the pattern

right?

[daring lantern]

yes

[minor linden]

Hey pickle. This has nothing to do with spread or recoil, but what is your opinion on immersion?

Imo it’s a vital aspect of bf

[daring lantern]

and in CS you control the recoil pattern, not the spread

i wouldn't ask pickle about anything, dude is confidently wrong all the time

[tropic thistle]

Milsim battlefield time!!!!

[minor linden]

I just want to see if he confuses immersion with realism like the guy above me

[mossy marten]

no shoo
no milsim in BF

[zenith glacier]

Anyone knows if Labs has recoil patters like CS?

[tropic thistle]

It'd be neat

[minor linden]

It wouldn’t be battlefield

[daring lantern]

people who think immersion means milsim rack my brain

[mossy marten]

there's a plethora of milsims that exist
BF is not one of those

[crimson moss]

idk i dont care i just play fps games for shooting and gunfights

[daring lantern]

no one is asking for BF to be a milsim.

[minor linden]

Fair

[zenith glacier]

how?

more skill ceiling

[mossy marten]

you'd be surprised what i've seen...

[cold condor]

Putting this here to see what others think ?

This is what I have in my mind but it could work honestly if the community trys it and see how it goes.

Base weapon for Assault Assault Rifles
Field Upgrade for Assault [CQC] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Assault [Grenadier] - GL noob tube etc.

Base weapon for Engineer Carbine rifles
Field Upgrade for Engineer [Mechanic] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Engineer [Anti-Tank] - Tank hunter etc

Base weapon for Support SMGS
Field Upgrade for Support [Combat Medic] - Allows you to use AR
Field Upgrade for Support [Perimeter Defense] - Allows you to use LMG

Base weapon for Recon Sniper Rifle
Field Upgrade for Recon [Spec Ops] - Allows you to use SMGS
Field Upgrade for Recon [Sniper] - Allows you to use sniper rifles

[tropic thistle]

battlefield is about vouzou jumping around lockers with an AEK971, eating saltine crackers and wonder bread

[crimson moss]

im not wrong when im not including spread and recoil to be 1 in the same mechanics lol

but keep telling yourself they are im not going to change your mind anyway

[daring lantern]

what you're doing is confusing the two

[crimson moss]

not really

[zenith glacier]

damn needed a heads up for that wall of text

[minor linden]

Battlefield isn’t about realism. At its core, it’s an arcade shooter

What it is about is immersion. The feeling that you’re a part of the game’s world

[mossy marten]

[crimson moss]

spread is bullets spreading and recoil is your gun swaying vertically or horizontally

2 diff things

[mossy marten]

BF has a mostly realistic aesthetic

But it is not a milsim

[crimson moss]

you control both at once obviously

[cold condor]

bro fuck off with the AEK such a noob friendly gun LOL I rekt kids with my SCAR-H with that x3 headshot 😛

[crimson moss]

but they arent in the same mechanics

[minor linden]

Only PC battlefield

[zenith glacier]

Recoil patterns in games have nothing to do with realism lmao

[daring lantern]

you don't control spread goofball

there's no such thing as a "spread pattern"

[zenith glacier]

lmao these people

[minor linden]

That message wasn’t part of the recoil discussion lol

[zenith glacier]

ah sry my bad

[crimson moss]

spread increase and spread decrease

controllable

mic drop etc

[daring lantern]

No, I wouldn't. You think any realistic feature is "milsim"

Milsim doesn't mean realistic. It literally means military simulation, i.e. taking orders from your commanding officer, acting out real military formations, etc.

[minor linden]

Exactly. If battlefield was actually about realism, we wouldn’t have “only in battlefield” moments

[crimson moss]

people are still asking for milsim elements

[daring lantern]

spread doesn't increase the longer you shoot in cs. it's always there, and serves to stop recoil spray patterns from being 100% learnable. you can even go through CS console commands yourself and disable spread, and see that the weapons still have a predictive spray pattern

[tropic thistle]

I say milsim battlefield as a joke but simcade elements would add a lot of interesting play

[daring lantern]

yeah dude find me the guy asking for the military's playbooks to be represented in game i'll wait

[zenith glacier]

this is someting for the war thunder forums lmao

[daring lantern]

"man battlefield should be 3 hours of walking followed by a 10 minute gunfight where no one can see each other" - literally no one

[crimson moss]

idk i think battlebit was a bit too heavy with milsim elements

[steep geyser]

Let go

[daring lantern]

you sprint 60mph in battlebit and take 40 bullets to kill what

[tropic thistle]

Battlebit had neat features but gimped itself with air strafing and poor class balance

[mossy marten]

i have never said that "realistic aesthetic is milsim"
In fact, the opposite: #battlefield-labs-discussion message

[rotund pier]

Arma 3?

[cold condor]

arma 3 dead game now

[zenith glacier]

Wdym that would be so much fun /s

[daring lantern]

pain

[crimson moss]

bleeding element is a sim mechanic, no health regen is a sim mechanic

[tropic thistle]

Me when I don't know what dead means

[cold condor]

like arma life mod is dead now

[crimson moss]

its quite literally a simcade game lol

[daring lantern]

no it's not lmao, cod hardcore mode has no health regen, is that a milsim now?

[rotund pier]

I bought Squad because it looked cool and I spent 2 hours walking and refunded it

[stark sentinel]

damn, reddit is on fire lol

[crimson moss]

i didnt call ita milsim

[tropic thistle]

Bleeding was one of their best features tbh. Having a fight in BF4 where the enemy lives on 1hp is incredibly frustrating

[cold condor]

theres 0 US based Arma life mod servers

[crimson moss]

i said its a game with milsim elements

[daring lantern]

you said no health regen is a milsim feature

[zenith glacier]

as always

[crimson moss]

because it is

[daring lantern]

BFV has no health regen. is that milsim battlefield?

[crimson moss]

it does

[cold condor]

yes it was

it was crap

[minor linden]

Battlebit was cursed. It was intended to be a milsim, but its style invited movement shooter players that eventually made the game less and less milsim

[zenith glacier]

it does but only to 50 hp i think?

[daring lantern]

it has partial health regen. you can get like 30% of your health back

[tropic thistle]

Wow the RP mod for a non RP game isn't active anymore? Relay this to the milsim groups immediately

[crimson moss]

ye

[daring lantern]

battlebit was better when it was a low poly milsim

unironically

[cold condor]

The RP mod u can still fight and all

[tropic thistle]

2.0 never LOL

[cold condor]

its just cops vs civs

with AR rifles

[daring lantern]

hardline? that was actually a sick game

hardline got a lot of hate for basically no reason. the gunplay was so good

[cold condor]

its sad hardline died

[daring lantern]

the gunplay was like halfway between BF3 and BF4 and i loved it

[mossy marten]

hardline has the best gunplay of the series (not including the warsaw revamped updated one)
i said what i said

[minor linden]

I wish a bf2-level revive would happen with HL

[tropic thistle]

Nobody thinks about ARMA life as the game's life blood. This would be like thinking GTA Online is reduced to those modded super low setting PVP arena servers

[daring lantern]

minimal spread, super fast bullet velocity, recoil that made sense. i loved it

[cold condor]

tbh they fucked up cause in the trailer u can fly a attack jet in hardline but devs never added it to PVP matchs

[daring lantern]

there was a jet in a bfh trailer??

[cold condor]

Maybe because cops could not get a F22 Raptor ?

lol

[cold condor]

yeee

[tribal current]

Does it have to be wonder bread?

[daring lantern]

why can't i call in an A-10 gun run on a civilian homestead 😭

[golden cloak]

You’ve never seen a cop in a jet before?

[covert nest]

They had icons for the attack planes but never added it for obvious reasons.

[tribal current]

Only the LAPD

[covert nest]

Hardline was fun despite its issues.

[daring lantern]

they should bring back the squad call-ins from BFV. make the final one a nuke instead of a V1

[tropic thistle]

Unsweetened applesauce is also an option

[tribal current]

Deal

[daring lantern]

and have it obliterate the map, and you have to keep fighting in a leveled dark map

levelution 3.0

what happened to commander mode from BF2, 3 and 4 😦

[minor linden]

Commander might be brought back

[tribal current]

Probably wasn’t used enough that they decided to cut it

[daring lantern]

lmao BF2 actually had crazy milsim features like the ability to draw formations on the map and call in strikes as the commander

[minor linden]

Hadn’t been fully confirmed yet tho

[daring lantern]

probably why Project Reality worked so well tbh

[tropic thistle]

Hot take but 128 player count matches weren't the problem in 2042, the map design was

[mossy marten]

128 was still a problem with the godawful server performance and netcode

[covert nest]

They had to cater 128p around the maps and everything which is why they hand in hand played like shit

[minor linden]

Agreed. They didn’t increase the amount of map objects, so the density was terrible, which made it feel like you were running across a field the whole time

[covert nest]

The new game shouldn't demand much more hopefully

2042 had crazy requirements and still felt like shit because of its broken version of the engine.

[tropic thistle]

Welcome to every live service PVP game ever these days

[willow scaffold]

is that new Battlefield leak where everything is in mandarin actually real?

[covert nest]

128p did actually affect the servers.

If you go to 64p the game plays much better.

[minor linden]

An Asian test just happened, so probably

[mossy marten]

Yup, apparently the tick rate on 128 would drop to about 20Hz
64p kept it relatively steady at 45Hz
But good thing new bf is going for 60Hz tick rate

[covert nest]

Lol

Of course it would drop to 20

[tribal current]

Can we atleast have the option in portal?

[cold condor]

The OV-10 Bronco was originally meant to be usable in multiplayer, as seen in a leaked trailer in May 2014.[1] This was later cut from the final game release.

[tropic thistle]

Biggest change I'm hoping for with new battlefield is vehicles becoming more glass cannon adjacent 🙏🙏🙏

[cold condor]

However the Squad Icon shows there is a plane Icon so it was gonna be in PVP but scrapped maybe DICE just did not find a cop version for it

[daring lantern]

give me BF1 vehicle destruction where planes take visible damage from all weapons

i doubt anyone is willing to violate their nda to help you with your recently violated nda

[zenith glacier]

shoulve written a friend of his lol

[daring lantern]

if you delete this comment before the devs see it there's a chance you won't be banned and sued lol

[icy plaza]

Im so pumped for this new bf

[zenith glacier]

do they actually care tho? I bet you that 1h leaked vid is still on youtube

[manic gate]

what about the user who recorded said video...

[daring lantern]

they do care. that video being online doesn't mean that person didn't get banned. notice they didn't upload any other videos?

[cold condor]

its funny how ppl think they can get away with breaking the nda mate they got IP tracking when u sign the TOS

[daring lantern]

you're about to know what a "you have been banned from BF labs" notification looks like

[cold condor]

"read the fine print" lol

[crimson moss]

barely but thats the point of NDA

it makes leaks more intriguing

[unreal nymph]

👀

[tender bay]

This is not sharing information about the game

[mild girder]

you are not allowed to share any info

lol

read the NDA

[zenith glacier]

just saying you got access already breaks nda looool

[cold condor]

ppl can't read I swear to god

[crimson moss]

ye but playtesters are private aswell you cant say if you are a playtester

unless they make playtesters public info

[cold condor]

I just wanna play waiting for 23rd of may AND GOD HOPE AUS/NZ players get to test it

[mild girder]

either that or the game releases

[daring lantern]

yes it is. saying you got access violates the NDA.

[mild girder]

once its released the NDA is gone

[manic gate]

yet these people get invited beautifully ironic

[daring lantern]

meanwhile the real BF fans are sitting here twiddling their thumbs hoping and praying for even a hint at an invite

[cold condor]

they get banned allows us trusted players to test the game

[tender bay]

So what the point of this room

[crimson moss]

💀

[cold condor]

why Break the NDA and leak if u not gonna make money lol

[daring lantern]

read the fucking description of it?

[zenith glacier]

talking about people breaking NDA's

[daring lantern]

"Discussion the public information available around Battlefield Labs. For further information see #battlefield-labs-news, or visit battlefield.com/labs"

[cold condor]

its like calling a cop out for doing bad shit to the news companys but news companys pay you money if u leak it

[mild girder]

yep, you cant read

[daring lantern]

public information. You getting invited isn't public information

this isn't the playtest discussion room, if there even is one

[mild girder]

"Discussion about the public information available around Battlefield Labs" geez, i wonder why this channel exists

[manic gate]

public? what does that mean? Isn't that the same word as private?

[tribal current]

I assumed to doom post

[zenith glacier]

Is there public information on how to get into the Labs discord if one got invited?

[coral crystal]

no

[mild girder]

💀

bro how are these people able to play labs

is the requirement to not be able to read?

[golden cloak]

Yes

[coral crystal]

yes

[manic gate]

maybe they prioritise the illiterate and blind

[long pollen]

From those videos that’s for sure clear…

[mild girder]

you are not in Labs if you get invited this weekend

this Stress test is isolated from labs and you will only have access to the game for the 72h

after that its gone till you get selected for either labs or a different stresstest

[zenith glacier]

username checks out lmao

thanks

lmao das papaplatte gif

[mild girder]

me when i dont get an invite

[zenith glacier]

hahahahaha

[coral crystal]

[cinder fox]

It's almost 100% certainly at home unless you were told it was an in-person play test

[mental acorn]

#ClassLockedWeapons

[shut comet]

||||

[grave zephyr]

I got a an invite for PS5. Though I mainly play on PC. There wasnt an option to exclusively choose PC for the playtesting. Is there even playtesting going on PC this weekend?

[zenith glacier]

there was

[urban meteor]

Please give meeeeeeee

[shut comet]

And now people are @ ing mods and devs in general chat

[zenith glacier]

LMFAO

[nimble bridge]

Speedrunning their labs access 😂

[grave zephyr]

Suprised they don't give you multiple opitions for what platform you can play on then. I know for a fact I also chose PC. Oh well though.

[zenith glacier]

Shows the current state of the franchise

People are so desperate for a good BF again

[tribal current]

I thought of choosing pc but it would catch on fire so I stuck with ps5

[zenith glacier]

and im not excluding myself lol

[long pollen]

Thirsting for literally anything good lol

Atp

[zenith glacier]

unlucky :|

[oak condor]

yeah fps is absolutely barren if you're not an aim assist goblin, shit sucks

[long pollen]

Basically smh

[shut comet]

Minecraft a better FPS than everything else at this point

[verbal crypt]

“A recon player will automatically spot enemies while aiming down sights” YOOO remove that shit, that is busted as hell lol

[zenith glacier]

is it?

[verbal crypt]

Will have shitters sitting in spawn with 8x scope spotting everyone all game lol

[mossy marten]

this is more important than class locking right now

that's stupid strong

[zenith glacier]

pressing q isnt really difficult

[mossy marten]

at least it's a button press instead of aiming at an enemy and being auto spotted

[zenith glacier]

idk, it doesnt seem op at all to me

[tribal current]

Unlike now where people sitting at spawn with 8x

[mossy marten]

imagine a sniper being able to swipe across a group of people and being able to spot each of them without a q spot which has a cooldown (usually)

[golden cloak]

Doesn’t seem too OP when 75% of every game is recon players

[verbal crypt]

^

Also there’s def like 30% of console kids that don’t even know how to ping to spot no joke lol. Now they get it automatically

[zenith glacier]

that cooldown would also apply to auto spotting i guess

[shut comet]

Is there a feature to use the bathroom

[zenith glacier]

first we need the feature to touch some grass

[golden cloak]

Yes only to take a shit though

[shut comet]

lol

[mossy marten]

No
Colonel says only shit bucket *insert colonel emoji that doesn't exist in this server *

[zenith glacier]

xd

[shut comet]

Got a shit bucket?

You got jobs?

[mossy marten]

yeah lol

[shut comet]

Lose the job

[mossy marten]

nah

[shut comet]

You got a girlfriend?

[zenith glacier]

what is a girlfriend?

[shut comet]

Excellent

[mossy marten]

what is a gril?

[shut comet]

Lmao

[zenith glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/bbq-burnt-fire-funny-gif-4074770549113285931

[shut comet]

Ah- kill number 50

But sir the round just started

Yeah how bout you guys

[zenith glacier]

nah broke up last october

[shut comet]

Good

No distractions from BF

[zenith glacier]

more time/money to spend on games

[shut comet]

Got a life?

[zenith glacier]

sadly yes

[shut comet]

Lose the life

Play battlefield

[zenith glacier]

alright

ima km5 right now

[golden cloak]

BF is life

[shut comet]

Exactly

[zenith glacier]

Dies

[shut comet]

You don’t get a 20KD with a life and a job

You’re not playing battlefield without truly giving up your life

[zenith glacier]

actually true

[shut comet]

Because now BF is your life

And I’m the guy that’ll sweat on you and headglitch you

😭

[zenith glacier]

lol

[abstract path]

Stop inviting kids from everywhere and start inviting BF vets from South America. Do something DICE

[rugged seal]

[nimble meteor]

Dude fr

Every time I see a leaked clip its always from someone who misses 70% of their shots

[zenith glacier]

I saw one clip on twitter by someone who wasnt disabled

[tribal current]

Pft like you could do better

[tender bay]

Yaah i have over 15,000 hours in BF and i was one of the guy who playing custom server with DICE Dev in human vs zombies event and i didn’t got invited

[grave zephyr]

Prolly be me unless I can put a keyboard and mouse on my PS5 whole doing the playtest. Pretty sure this playtest is PS5 only from what I'm reading on the playtest website.

Which is weird to me you wouldn't test server stability on all platforms but Im not a professional so.

[minor linden]

Nobody whos actually good at the game is willing to nuke their chances at ever being invited back by leaking

[rugged seal]

#battlefield-labs-discussion message

Why would it be on 1 console only lol

[upper crown]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[loud harness]

bf fans are desperate

[grave zephyr]

Ah good to know! Thanks!

[sweet arch]

Does anyone know if PS+ can be game shared?

[rain aspen]

Yes it can, you need to set your PS5 as primary on the account that has PS+ tho

[sweet arch]

Oh okay, I've done it before

Was wondering if it would work for +

[wintry pilot]

when i chose a date for playtest, it says from 12pm to 12am, does that mean i have 24h acces? or it means that i can start within that time period?

[mossy marten]

one, i believe it means that's start time and goes until end of test
two, ya broken NDA

[wintry pilot]

so cant even ask something like this?

[mossy marten]

technically, no

[wintry pilot]

[long pollen]

So if I got invited and it’s actually not there at all do I get to still play…. smfh sorry I had to

[devout chasm]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[tepid current]

Is the BF Labs a key or does it appear in EA App?

[zenith glacier]

actually a good question

[narrow basalt]

no class locked weapons? fuck off

[tepid current]

It's pre alpha. Give them feedback to change it back to BF3/4/H

[narrow basalt]

can't wait to see a recon kill me with a LMG, what a stupid fucking idea

[feral garden]

Oh, thought that info was public, my b I guess lol

[narrow basalt]

where do i go?

[tepid current]

Respond to the twitter post eg

[mossy marten]

bro posting stuff and deleting before i can read

[zenith glacier]

fr lmao

[mossy marten]

[feral garden]

I just said pc plays with EA app lol

[raw mirage]

Hey this is only a hypothetical and I’m not going to out myself for being or not being accepted into BF Labs. Does anyone know of a confidential way to request support from EA/DICE in regard to BF Labs without hanging yourself by asking and therefore giving away the fact that you’re accepted thus breaking NDA. Just thought it would make sense for some place to exist for that stuff.

[mossy marten]

[zenith glacier]

ah ok, and I guess they will provide a key sometime later this week?

[raw mirage]

Again this is strictly hypothetical please don’t kill me Mr. DICE

[spice bramble]

You have to DM John Battlefield

[tepid current]

BF Labs users get an own discord server for feedback

[zenith glacier]

of course

[raw mirage]

And how would one hypothetically get that discord?

[zenith glacier]

cool, but a friend of mine got into the playtest but not the server xD

[tepid current]

Can't answer that. I think you can join the server out of the BF Labs game itself.

[leaden nexus]

“It’s an outrage! A scandal!” -Hagrid

Lock Assault Rifles to Assault, PDWs to Engineer, LMGs to Support, and Bolt Actions to Recon, and grant them your proposed “class weapon bonus”.

DMRs, Carbines (SBRs), and Shotguns can be made available to all without the “class weapon bonus.”

That’s the formula, DICE.

Not this universal weapon availability system you are proposing, this is not Call of Duty, and this is CERTAINLY NOT 2042.

[versed token]

lame

[rugged seal]

Everything you need would be sent to your email

[granite carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/ccaGqC5aWw

[rugged seal]

Probably not immediately

[granite carbon]

Players want weapons to be locked by classes

[granite carbon]

Sniper shouldn't carry a lmg

[mild girder]

then he did something wrong lol

[zenith glacier]

how, he had the right discord connected to his ea account

[mossy marten]

if it's an invite that was received for this 72hr test, i don't think they would invite the new people to a private discord channel/server just for 72hrs and then remove them

they might just not invite the temporary playtesters to whatever place they have "regular" labs people and just have temps play fri-sun only

🤷‍♂️

[mild girder]

this

[magic iris]

Wait so why can't I sign up?

[mild girder]

is corrcet

[magic iris]

Is the sign up period closed?

[mild girder]

no

[magic iris]

It's not showing up as being able to sign up

All I see is Skate and Apex Legends

Those are the only tests

[mossy marten]

did you registter for labs access before?

if so, that's why, it uses normal labs registration/interest to send invites

[magic iris]

Yeah, I could have done in-person but it conflicted with my schedule in the past

So I need a new account basically

[mint scroll]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[mild girder]

no

u dont

[mossy marten]

go on shoo, keep the spam in the other channel

[mild girder]

you just need to be lucky again

[magic iris]

Aahh

So only specific people get an invite gotcha

[mossy marten]

i'm just surprised they didn't decide to put a slowmode in the new thread
cuz holy it's wild over there

[granite carbon]

So, bf6 shouldn't be a live service, it shouldn't have a battlepass

It should be monetized like bf3/bf4 by selling dlc packs

[mild girder]

90% random

[magic iris]

That kinda sucks, I wanted to sign up and participate this round. Well guess I'll have to wait until next round

Thanks for the info

[stable jolt]

We need battlefield premium back

But I know live service makes more money

[granite carbon]

Agreed,

[granite carbon]

With less contents

[pallid rover]

millions of sign ups with a few thousand codes

[long pollen]

Premium was the way

[granite carbon]

Bf5 being a live service resulted in a lot less contents

[mossy marten]

BF premium doesn't guarantee the same amoutn of content as previous BFs 🤷‍♂️
especially with how modern games are, it would never be the same as bf3-1

[mint scroll]

I was talking about the weapons not being locked to each class and a need for having server browser for all modes

[sweet arch]

Actually map packs are terrible for the overall player base, not everyone buys them, so now players are split up

And once the player count is low, you'll rarely get a chance to play those dlc maps

[mossy marten]

this is the other issue with a potential premium service like older BFs

[clear viper]

BFV being a bad game at launch prevented it from having as much content, not the live service model

[rugged seal]

New content would be dead content in 6 months

[clear viper]

Once they got on their feet the War in the Pacific chapter was about as big as your usual content packs

[dense nest]

For what it's worth, I want weapons to be locked to their respective classes.

[tribal current]

I don’t

Such a relic

[keen escarp]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[winter moth]

#ClassLockedWeapons#No2042features

[mossy marten]

no shoo, leave the spam in the other thread

[astral island]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[tepid current]

#ClassLockedWeapons #No2042features

[long pollen]

🥱

[minor linden]

Let me guess, you liked it when you heard that classes were gone in 2042?

[tribal current]

I didn’t really care.

[minor linden]

And you do care about weapons being locked?

[tribal current]

Hmm, I’ve rather they weren’t

[trail otter]

Class lock weapons. Don't "fix" what isn't broken and try and re-invent BF's identity again. All this will do is disincentive teamplay and create more complex balance issues. Class locking weapons kneecaps class specific gadgets/abilities which would otherwise be overpowered when paired with non-class weapons. This game seems to be going all-in on "abilities" and I can see whatever is deemed "most powerful" to be the predominantly chosen class now that people can use whatever weapon they want. They specifically reference a mobile spawn beacon for Recon in the post which becomes insanely OP when players can just spec out whatever meta AR is popular and mindlessly push objectives as opposed to being limited by their sniper.

[polar hill]

one man army from call of duty modern warfare 2

[rugged seal]

As opposed to bf4 where you can use any carbine/shotgun/dmr as a recon with a spawn beacon?

[nimble meteor]

why are people spamming this?(i didnt read the new blog yet)

[polar hill]

for evreyone

[ashen rover]

cuz the game will allow every class to get any weapon like in 2042

[mossy marten]

because class locked weapons akin to older BFs isn't happening (at least not atm)

[minor linden]

At least they aren’t calling it a legacy feature like they did with the scoreboard in 2042

[tribal current]

Please, bf players hardly do team play as it is.

[minor linden]

So let’s make it worse

[nimble meteor]

oh boooooo

[polar hill]

We have to be fooled for teamplay

[ashen rover]

After the community update it feels like Atenborough watching that Monkey(DICE) use a hammer

[tribal current]

Cant make it better, bf too casual for serious teamplay

Unless you want it to be like arma or something

[minor linden]

Again. Can’t make it better so you want to make it worse?

[tribal current]

Come to think of it, does arma have classes?

[mortal yoke]

Cant make something better so lets make it worse? interesting argument

[polar hill]

Yes

[minor linden]

Don’t think so

Maybe tho

[polar hill]

not in the tradittional sense though...

[ashen rover]

Man if they go through with this it's gonna be hilarious watching the sales olummet

plummet*

[polar hill]

although im not sure if its a vanilla feature...

[tribal current]

Yes because casuals care so much about this

[rigid light]

Not having weapons class locked is not the one!

[ashen rover]

casuals can f*ck right off

[polar hill]

we have to somehow appease both...

[ashen rover]

we saw how well 2042 did

[tribal current]

Apparently not, they want bf to be niche

[ashen rover]

trying to appeal to a bigger audience

[minor linden]

The “casuals” that played the old games do. When you say “no locked weapons”, they say “that’s not battlefield”

[tribal current]

Idk, as someone who you to play battlefield back in tue day, “weapons locked by classes” wasn’t what came to mind when someone says battlefield

It was always jumping out of a tank and blow torching a dude

And going brr on an attack boat

[minor linden]

There are a few core features of bf and locked weapons is one of them

[tribal current]

Idk, I don’t think it’s that core

Considering we’ve slowly moved away from it with bf4

[grave zephyr]

Weapons locked by classes just makes for a batter gameplay loop of mixed team play. You know your role by the weapons and tools your given.

A sniper who can just stim shot themselves after being wacked is a game mechanic that is questionable in any game.

[minor linden]

No? 1 had more locked weapons than 4. V did too

2042 is the only game that moved away from it and that’s because it wasn’t designed to be a battlefield game

[rugged seal]

It's always a sniper in the example people give like they aren't the most useless role in the game

[tribal current]

Lets agree to disagree

[tribal current]

Frrr, people act like snipers aren’t ALREADY going to camp in one spot

[minor linden]

Snipers aren’t really the issue, yeah

[tribal current]

Apparently that’s been the number 1 example

[rugged seal]

I dont care what class someone is when they use a sniper because they aren't going to matter to anyone in the whole match

[minor linden]

Imo it’s all classes getting access to smgs and assault rifles

It makes assault basically useless because in this game they basically have no gadgets besides for grenade launchers

[tropic tulip]

They need to make the weapon type class bonuses stronger

[minor linden]

The recon one is laughably useless, yeah

[tribal current]

I think that would be a fair compromise

[tropic tulip]

Recon is literally just auto pressing Q to spot or Shift to stabilize scope? How is that in any way compelling?

[grave zephyr]

PDWs SMGs and Carbines fit the role of an engineer being close quarter and ballistic.

LMGs assault rifles and shotguns fit a support for suppression and high risk for damage.

Im not complaing. Im saying weapon matching adds identity.

[tropic tulip]

Also make the weapon customization "Pick 10" system have class bonuses and cons, like expensive high zoom scopes for non-Recons, Extendos for Assault, Suppressors for whoever, etc...

[polar hill]

we need dinosaurs

imo at least sniper rifles have to be class specific

[tropic tulip]

Make anything higher than 4x scopes class specific

[minor linden]

It isn’t really a pick 10 system. It’s more similar to insurgency’s system

Each attachment has a point value and you get 100 points per weapon

[grave zephyr]

BF4 had the best weapon management system that was carefully plucked to give players freedom but not too much.

[surreal kraken]

Yea people with snipers shoudnt have access to lock ons or medic equipment

[grave zephyr]

Ye

[kindred sierra]

I honestly don't mind the classes, I just hope it's as intuitive to pick up as bfv was, because 2042 was a nightmare to learn all the specialist nonsense

[tropic tulip]

Ah, but virtually kinda the same thing

[rugged seal]

Another sniper example lol

[minor linden]

I never understand when people claim that something should be changed to “give the player more choice” when choice doesn’t mean better

Allowing anybody to use cheats is more choice and it isn’t better

[surreal kraken]

The most important thing is that there is visual consistency, if you see medic you know how ti position yourself, same with recon and everything else

[tropic tulip]

Restricted guns or not, it's all just gonna be high RoF bodyshot spam meta anyhow

[lofty steeple]

Any mods present at all?

[halcyon spoke]

its odd, i dont ever see people asking for weapon customization/choice in squad or hell let loose but for some reason in battlefield everything needs to be customizable to some people

we;re not writing the consitution here man

[halcyon spoke]

i imagine they're in a sensory deprivation chamber so their heads dont explode from today's onslaught

[lofty steeple]

Thanks Gato. What was the onslaught?

[minor linden]

They see how battlefield is an arcade shooter and immediately think that it should be like cod where you’re a super soldier that can customize everything you want

They forget that Battlefield is Battlefield

[halcyon spoke]

very thoughtful and greek-forum like discussion about the recent changes to classes that did not devolve into spam or personal attacks at all :D

[lofty steeple]

I’m only after a query and no bashing 😎

[halcyon spoke]

oh i see you could probably @ them or something then presumably

or that #how-to-report-and-appeal perhaps

[lofty steeple]

Cheers I’ll try that 👍

[polar hill]

Well, i'm prepared to be disappointed anyway...

[earnest kraken]

I heard theres a queue to sign up or something, is there? I dont see one.

Sign Up just fails to redirect, then the Portal/Home appears, with Skate and Apex and nothing else right now.

[polar hill]

if this goes sideways, i can have my "semi" "milsim" experience somewhere else.

[halcyon spoke]

is the ea playtesting website, although you probably wont be able to join this one if u didnt already sign up

[tropic tulip]

The key is to play 2042 so literally anything will be an upgrade

[earnest kraken]

Yes I see what the page is but like, I think it was never redirecting properly for some reason.

[halcyon spoke]

https://www.ea.com/playtesting ?

ik it was janky as hell when they announced labs in the first place

[earnest kraken]

Right, wait so you just sign up to EVERYTHING? Not Battlefield specifically?

In the survey they did ask about BF but I mean, the "Sign Up" is "To The Labs Shit Which Involves Any And All Game Betas" not "Sign up to the Battlefield one"?

[minor linden]

I’ve been playing insurgency. It doesn’t have vehicles (except one occasionally), but it’s a slower half arcade shooter with similar immersion to bf

[tropic tulip]

No real class synergy tho

Or squadplay like in BF

[polar hill]

I've been entertaining myself with rising storm 2, quite nice helicopter physics with easy to understand infantry gameplay

[tropic tulip]

But otherwise a really nice shooter

[minor linden]

Depends on what you’re playing. Some PvP modes have good synergy + the commander class needs to communicate with the radioman

[polar hill]

Maybe battlefield could have an advanced flight model that is realistic -ish, but still arcadey, like rising storm 2.

[halcyon spoke]

all i remember doing is singing up and then choosing my preferences

[inner eagle]

i agree 100%, it also ruins balance when players only use the “meta” class and weapons loadout instead of giving each class a fair shot with their own set of strength and weaknesses. it always strikes me as a little lazy when 2042 and now bf6 just give everyone access to weapons under a guise of “freedom”. it kinda hints that they prob just didn’t want to spend time actually making balanced classes with unique weapons.

just throw something at the wall and see what sticks kind of deal

[earnest kraken]

Right, I think I understand now then, thanks. They could have explained this shit way harder.
Usually you sign up for a specific game's beta. But it looks like you just need to sign up for their Labs in general, it doesnt tell you at all if you did it or are in one or another game's beta, I guess until you either are, or you never get in lol.

[halcyon spoke]

they usually send u an email if u get in to a bf labs playtest

[earnest kraken]

Fair enough.

[sweet arch]

Are you supposed to be notified when you sign up?

My friend didn't get a notification email when he completed it

I did get an email when I did it months ago though

[halcyon spoke]

i dont remember, maybe?

i think i got one but it was late as shit

or i redid the preferences and got the verification then

[sweet arch]

When he clicks sign up again, it takes him to that EA page, so I'm assuming he did put his name in

[white crane]

Discussion has probably been done to death but im just passing through to say lock weapons to classes please thank you DICE pls

[granite carbon]

The next battlefield is supposed to be like bf3/bf4 so why weapons aren't locked to classes?

[cedar flax]

lol cry babies

[hard pilot]

lock weapons behind classes. period

[cedar flax]

Preordering anyways unlock all weapons for all classes

[small pond]

My feedback: Bring back BF4 classes, with the way it locked weapons to classes and call it a day. Non class specific weapons creates more balance issues than it solves and does bad things to the gameplay flow.

[coarse stump]

I am wondering if there will be any way to kit/class switch during the round. This feature is imo a key feature for battlefield. Nothing more satisfying to take out the repair guy of an enemy tanker, change to the repair guy's class and start damaging the tank to take it out. Or to revive a teammate with the defibs from the enemy medic that you have just taken out. This was possible in all the great battlefields (bf1942, bf2, bf3, bf4,...) After that it was limited to just switching the weapon with no extra dynamic. Taking away this feature hurt the franchise and it makes up for much less dynamic plays. As a player you need to pay attention who or what you take out and use it to your advantage. I have more than 15 years of experience in battlefield and it seems to amaze me that they keep trying to reinvent the wheel. Battlefield has its own core, but they try to mix it with too many other games. Stick to the basics and work from there.

[cedar flax]

Preordered

[half halo]

Nobody cares Binsky

[cedar flax]

Bring back specialists!

[woven nova]

or is it a 24 hours slot?

[half halo]

No

[cedar flax]

Preordered, put a unicorn skin in the game!