battlefield-labs-discussion

[mild girder]

You arent allowed to talk about it lol

[wispy dagger]

lol

[mild girder]

[sly vine]

What u mean

😅

[mild girder]

I just love how many people break the NDA so easily

Like, cant people read at all?

[half halo]

Another Day, another one breaking NDAs. We are living in a loop lol

[mild girder]

Maybe the NDA was the friends we made on the way

[half halo]

[young jetty]

People dgaf and it’s all for marketing.

[sly vine]

Where can I find the section that says you’re not allowed to say that you’re participating?

[mild girder]

💀

You blind

[sly vine]

Think so

[mild girder]

Well, not good marketing on Skate rn with the Microtransactions already being in the Playtests lol

[sly vine]

Please Tell me 😃

[young jetty]

EA being classic EA 👍😀

[mild girder]

9. Confidentiality
   ....

You may not share, publish, disclose, distribute, transmit, post or make available, directly or indirectly, Confidential Information to any third party, until EA publicly releases the product(s) or content you are reviewing.

You agreed to those when signing up on the site

The NDA also says "IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT install or use THE PRE-RELEASE FEEDBACK MATERIALS, OR PARTICIPATE IN THE PRE-RELEASE FEEDBACK PROGRAM."

[feral garden]

There is a section right under this line in that agreement, that states you ARE allowed to disclose that you are a playtester tho.

[young jetty]

Bro it’s for marketing why do you think EA allowed all the footage to be brought back up after the positive reception?

[mild girder]

You are only allowed to say that you are part of EA Playtesting, but not that you are a Tester for a Game or which Game (or any infos at all about any ongoing Playtests)

[feral garden]

You are not allowed to share contents you see in playtests, or when tests will happen tho

[sly vine]

It says I shouldn’t disclose any information about the game, which I haven’t done, but nowhere does it say that I can’t say I’m part of a playtest

[feral garden]

Point me to the line where this is stated.

[mild girder]

Im gonna be a naughty boy now so i can prove you right. "As a reminder, public discussion of Playtesting, including Discord, is a violation of the EA Playtesting Confidentiality Agreement and skate. Insider Agreement. Doing so may result in being banned from the Playtesting community."

[feral garden]

You are wrong tho. You're just choosing to leave out parts of the confidentiality agreement to prove your point.

[mild girder]

How am i wrong when this is legit being sent to Playtesters

lol

[feral garden]

Post the whole section

[mild girder]

Check DM

[feral garden]

No, cos I posted the public confidentiality agreement here before

[sly vine]

„It says I shouldn’t disclose any information about the game, which I haven’t done, but nowhere does it say that I can’t say I’m part of a playtest“

I am wrong?

[rapid fox]

You knew you are part of it when you received the email which is confidential along with any info with it

[feral garden]

No, you're allowed to say you are a tester. It states as much in the agreement you signed.

[rapid fox]

Hm

[sly vine]

Thanks

[mild girder]

But not for Skate, just a EA Playtester, nothing more

[feral garden]

The confidentiality section emails alude to says you can disclose that you are part of tests. It's the same Agreement for all EA Playtest games.

[rapid fox]

However, you may disclose the existence of the Pre-Release Feedback Program and that you are a member of the Pre-Release Feedback Program.

But not sure if that applies to actual playtests

[sly vine]

Aight, thanks!

[wispy dagger]

I wonder if playtesters get a separate channel on here

[rapid fox]

They are in separate discord server

[mild girder]

Private Server for Labs

[wispy dagger]

Nice

I wonder if they peak in here and laugh at us lol

[sly vine]

How do u now

[mild girder]

So, be a naughty boy on here and chances are high that they will maybe invite you and then just ban for the lols

[rapid fox]

🙂

[sly vine]

😃😃

[mild girder]

Its literally in the FAQ...

You really cant read

[sly vine]

Bro it was a joke u need to chill

[mild girder]

jokes are supposed to be funny tho

[feral garden]

You are funny tho 😏

[sly vine]

I wanted to joke around and get him to admit he’s part of the playtest

[rapid fox]

EA mod here run

[mild girder]

im not, people love to leak all the mails on the web

[rapid fox]

At least they started to remove email addresses lol

[mild girder]

Like on Day one people got invited for Labs, people shared their Invites on twitter

[mossy marten]

[grave bison]

guys, do you agree to a BF3 or BF4 style HUD instead of what's in the pre alpha

[half halo]

[mild girder]

(some even had pics of their Battlefield/EA Names on their Profile somewhere)

[rapid fox]

Pre alpha hud is still placeholder

[half halo]

Give me a mix of BF3 and BF1 hud and I'd be happy

[rapid fox]

Remember - DICE reworked whole hardline hud in 3 months

[mild girder]

Still even as a Placeholder its fine

[mossy marten]

visceral*

[mild girder]

tbh, not that much changed tho if i remember correctly

[mossy marten]

may they RIP 🙏

[rapid fox]

Yeah, apologies

But anyways

[mild girder]

only thing i noticed is that the RPGs got removed lol

[rapid fox]

Pretty much

[sly vine]

I must say Battlefield definitely knew about it 100%, it’s good marketing. Otherwise, they would have picked internal people, not randoms from the internet

[rapid fox]

It was BF4 copy before, and brand new UI later

[grave bison]

yeah bro

[grave bison]

why not

[rapid fox]

As they did before those tests

I think everyone understood there will be massive leaks

[sly vine]

I love these games
Peak

[rapid fox]

But I don't think they expected feedback to be this positive

That's why all leaks are mostly not deleted (IMO)

[mild girder]

The UI was the nearly same from the first E3 Beta to launch tho

[rapid fox]

I remember playing closed beta with super different UI

[mild girder]

I mean im looking at footage rn

[sly vine]

I’m already so excited for the game, hopefully the vibe from back in the day is really there

[mild girder]

i dont see much of a difference

[rapid fox]

Maybe my memory hurts dunno

[sly vine]

I wanted to be surprised, but suddenly my whole Instagram was filled with it 😂

[mild girder]

im talking about hardline rn

not Labs

[mossy marten]

i think the HUD needs minimal changes imho
move the score/kills thing to bottom screen center like bf4 and minimalize the bottom right portion of all the gadgets/guns

[sly vine]

My Bad

[grave bison]

UI of BF3 hes incredible , with your kiils feed bottom of your screen and and how it is displayed

[mossy marten]

oh
and keep the kill skulls
i like me dopamine receptors activating when they start stacking

[grave bison]

and the color blue too

[rapid fox]

I super love that map is more like BF4 now

+3D

[mossy marten]

bf4 wasn't 3d

for minimap

[rapid fox]

That's why I added "+" 😄

[mossy marten]

ah

[mild girder]

thats why he said +3D

[mossy marten]

my be

[mild girder]

Im waiting to see how the 3d Map will look at close release, its a bit weird

[rapid fox]

You can also select vehicles right on spawn menu without separate popup

Like bf4

Plus can zoom... what a life that we get happy by those changes that already were in previous games

[rapid fox]

Yeah but it still shows potential already

[mild girder]

I tbh dont see how the 3D minimap could benefit Gameplay, so its just a gimmick imo

[tropic jewel]

Hell, I'd even take the hud from BFV, it doesn't have as much sauce as 3 and 4, but it never got in the way of gameplay

[mild girder]

but lets wait and see

[rapid fox]

You can prob easily identify where people are located

Like above, below, plus it should help to navigation

Didn't play myself so dunno

[mild girder]

Ye that would be a bit helpful

[grave bison]

yes it's true

[mild girder]

Oh man, i cant wait to not get invited at all for the next Invite Wave

[mossy marten]

if they wanna show where people are in a vertical sense.... just add a little triangle above or below circle to indicate height relative to you

[civic glacier]

you think guys they gonna add content like warzone ?

[rapid fox]

btw it seems like invites are out.......

[mild girder]

i hope not

jesus

[rapid fox]

But I hope that they are not and still being sent

[mild girder]

this aint cod

and its good that way

[mossy marten]

[mild girder]

Dont...

dont give me hope

Gonna check my sources for this rn

(twitter)

[mossy marten]

wild they would do invites on a weekend tbf

[civic glacier]

why not ? it will catch many players cause most of them theyre playing warzone

[mild girder]

I also dont think they do invites on the weekend tho

Probably they will do Invites next Tuesday

[civic glacier]

invites for labs ?

[mild girder]

Like the last time

[mossy marten]

i'm just huffing that hopium as well

[mild girder]

My guess will be monday-tuesday if Invites are being sent

[mossy marten]

welp
reddit being reddit i see

[mild girder]

huh

[rapid fox]

A friend of mine got it late friday evening

[mossy marten]

fr

[rapid fox]

Same tbh, that's why I was surprised

[mild girder]

Recently bought Lossless Scaling

works amazing with Arma 3

[tropic jewel]

what settings do you recommend?

I bought it yesterday

[mild girder]

I just run with 2x FG and FSR

Was always getting around 60FPS so it doesnt feel so bad at all with LS

Way smoother and no bad artifacts at all

[young jetty]

The next playtest starts on Friday

[mossy marten]

i saw

last time they sent invites the tuesday b4 the test

[young jetty]

I didn’t get an invite fuck man 😢

@rapid fox are you gonna post anything soon?

[mossy marten]

They said a couple days ago that an update to labs was done (the 12th i believe)

[young jetty]

Was it a new build or the same one?

[half halo]

My best guess is that EA see that we are all dedicated players to the franchise and thus, none of us will ever receive an invite.

[young jetty]

If they want this game to succeed let the people who have been playing battlefield since the mid to the late 2000s and the early 2010s playtest and give feedback.

But EA wants to appease to the newcomers in this current time and age.

[mossy marten]

i think it was the same if i remember correctly

[half halo]

They want new players and CoD players to get money through the shop

[rapid fox]

New build but size is very alike

[half halo]

If the game turns out good for us BF players, it's just a bonus for them

[rapid fox]

So probably same build different config

[mossy marten]

and then those players leave as soon as the new shiny comes
thus once again, leaving the BF mains instead

[half halo]

2025 AAA FPS market in a nutshell

[tropic jewel]

Marketing to CoD players only worked from BF3 to BF1, because Activision dropped the ball hard during that period

[mossy marten]

2011 and 2012 (during bf3's life cycle) has mw3 and bo2
they were not dropping the ball hard then
wasn't until ghosts and advanced warfare

[fleet robin]

yeah they definitely didn't drop the ball until hardline/bf1 time

[mossy marten]

^

[fleet robin]

bf3 was prime competition

[tropic jewel]

I should have said Infinity Ward

MW3 was the start of CoD fatigue, Ghosts' multiplayer was shit, and people were bored with futuristic shooters by the time Infinite Warfare came out

[young jetty]

They need to market the next bf like BF3/4, do NOT market it like BFV cause DICE can not afford controversy

[mossy marten]

they're probably going to go with a safe route for marketing in all honestly

they can't fuck around this time

please don't give us another "What a time to be alive" trailer again DICE 🙏

that shit was cringe af

[fleet robin]

ngl they could just put out screenshots of character models and i'd be happy

let the game do the talking for itself

[spice bramble]

I hope the character models we've seen so far aren't final

They lack any distinct style

[visual halo]

why in the points table on some players before the name appears a 0 and why I can't level up that I have remained at 0 even though I started playing 4 days ago. please explain to me.BF1

[half halo]

Probably a back to basic custom server with no progression

[tribal flame]

And getting disconnected when trying to get a vehicle?

[tired gyro]

Wdym by that

Like what I’m thinking what that means is having 2042 type of heroes and what not
But honestly having a bfv level of customization would be nice if they can keep it grounded which god knowing will not happen
Tho would like to be proven wrong

[tribal flame]

Customisation segments could be : head, face, top clothing, vest, bottom clothing in a BFV way. I'd really like that

[vapid cave]

hardline really wasn't that bad it was just different

[tired gyro]

Ah yea ngl would be pog

[half halo]

Should just have been called hardline

OR

Hear me our

Out

The should have just put it as a kind of expansion for BF4, like BFBC2 Vietnam, with its own menu and soundtrack etc.

[vapid cave]

i mean they could have i personally liked it tho because it was different

[young jetty]

They need to have ghost recon breakpoint’s type of customization

[vapid cave]

i wish that would be crazy

[young jetty]

Could you imagine the helmet gear, the arm bands, the shoulder pads? 🔥

[vapid cave]

🔥

[tame rapids]

bring back levelution

[versed token]

Please don't

[fleet robin]

yeah i loved it but in terms of popularity it wasn't all that

[fleet robin]

i swear some mfs just want the game to look good instead of actually play good

[honest cliff]

Like in graphical fidelity? Honestly having a good artstyle is way more important than graphics, gameplay obviously is the most important bit

[fleet robin]

in everything

people beg for levolution even though it made 99% of maps worse when triggered

and people call bf1 the absolute peak of battlefield when it was hard carried by atmosphere and immersion, rather than gameplay

[honest cliff]

Respectfully id have to disagree gameplay wise

[fleet robin]

that's ok

[honest cliff]

What would you say is better gameplay wise than BF1 tho

[mossy marten]

Bf4, bfv, bf3, hardline, 2042

[honest cliff]

2042 is NOT better than BF1 gameplay wise

[fleet robin]

hardline and bfv are clear tbh

[mossy marten]

As Kato said
Bf1 was hard carried by visuals and immersion
Gunplay is trash
Movement is non existent
Vehicles are alright
Maps are a hit or miss

[honest cliff]

BF5 in some aspects Id agree, others its worse
I never played Hardline but it looks fairly solid in terms of gunplay, movement etc

[shy pilot]

pfp is tiger and I was hungry so it made me think of Frosted Flakes, the cereal. Because you know, tony the tiger.

Indeed, because having one baseline to work on would be a lot more effective to streamline any future patches and updates. 2042 felt like a crap fangame and the fact a fucking fortnite create game was a better version of 1942 than Portal mode really shows how out of touch DICE has been since BF1.

[honest cliff]

BF5 movement is just about perfect, movement speed should be a bit slower overall.
Vehicles were a bit too slow honestly but most were well balanced
Maps were good
Gunplay was decent depending on the guns, some were pointless and others were must use in their class.

[mossy marten]

Bf1 is what we were talking about no?
Bfv movement is good (slower, no)
Tanks were a pain in the ASS with the glancing blow and shit
Maps were pretty decent ocerall
Gunplay is better than bf1, but the spread= recoil and decoupled screen center and reticle are no no's

[spice bramble]

When I look at BF3, for example

[honest cliff]

I was describing BF1, so yeah.
I forget was spread = recoil in BF1 or 5

[mossy marten]

Yeah no
Bf1 hard carried by atmosphere and immersion
Everything else is bottom tier

[spice bramble]

The US engineer had his cap, Russian one had his gasmask, Recons had a sleek design with beanies, the Russian support had his Altyn (I think that's what it's called) and the US one had his cool shades and t-shirt

[honest cliff]

Chinese engie had the gas mask

[spice bramble]

yep

[honest cliff]

US engineer had that shit ON though

[spice bramble]

In 4 or 3?

[honest cliff]

both but 4 especially

[spice bramble]

I also think the NATO characters look a bit too much like the normal infantry, idk how to put it and not sound stupid

They look a bit too "mil-simy" compared to the older ones

[honest cliff]

I cant find many images of the class models

[spice bramble]

And as far as customization goes, I'm more for complete sets tbh

[visual halo]

Yes

[vapid cave]

how are the hardline servers rn?

[mossy marten]

Only 1 on PC based in germany, about 59 players rn

[vapid cave]

kinda what i expected

[young jetty]

Real time dynamic destruction> Levelution

[young jetty]

That’s wrong, some elements of BF1 gameplay is really good

[rustic crest]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGlJMGuRjwF/?igsh=MTEzdWpjZzg4aHp1eQ==

Can we get these moments back in BF6

[fleet robin]

some, like the melee system

[young jetty]

Operations mode, Behemoths, Gunplay and Weapon variety, Amazing immersive audio design, Dynamic weather.

[spice bramble]

You lost me at gunplay and weapon variety

[fleet robin]

operations is good, behemoths were a gimmick that hardly did anything for gameplay, gunplay was mid, audio design is immersion, weather is immersion

[young jetty]

BF1’s gunplay is actually really good for me, the movement other hand is arguably the worst in my opinion

[mossy marten]

bf1's gunplay is arguably the worst in the franchise
bfv being a close second

[ruby merlin]

1 spread goes brrrr

[half halo]

Eh, not really, BF1 is an acquired taste.

May it be BFV, BF1 or BF3, you just gotta understand how it Works and then you go brrre

[pulsar shard]

Then why BF1 outsold both BFV and 2042?

[wispy dagger]

Because hype

Then people were turned off by BFVs trailer with cyborg female

And then the disastrous launch

Then 2042 had the open beta and people were like wtf

Then the disastrous launch, unfinished maps, “legacy features”

That’s why BF1 outsold the other 2

[fleet robin]

yeah you almost gotta study the atmosphere surrounding the games lmao

[wispy dagger]

BF1 trailer was epic

7 nation army pumping

[fleet robin]

people were kinda tired of hardline and then bf1 came out with one of the best trailers ever, meanwhile cod fans were crying over infinite warfare

[wispy dagger]

It was a great game

[fleet robin]

just a compounding hype

[wispy dagger]

Grand Operations was an awesome mode

[spice bramble]

I remember the plane cutscene

well, not really cutscene but sequence

[fleet robin]

those were cool

i miss them

[feral garden]

Yeah. The last thing the next game is to have different modes feel different from one another.

For example rush XL, conquest 64, conquest 128 all feel totally different input wise...then solo and coop feels like the last gen version of the game.

For the next game, my preference is that all game modes feel the same. Consistency is key.

[dire drift]

Rip can't do gifs

[quick merlin]

1000%

[quick merlin]

consistency in gunplay, yes.

[pulsar shard]

People are hating on the BF1 movement while it was the most battlefield movement out there

It was just simple movement like the OG battlefield expect the slide mechanic

[young jetty]

That’s not true, BF1 had the worst movement ever

[pulsar shard]

And also the most immersive and atmospheric game

[pulsar shard]

Your opinion bro

Numbers says otherwise

20+million

[young jetty]

Numbers doesn’t mean shit

[pulsar shard]

It does

[young jetty]

The game still has it flaws

[pulsar shard]

Even reviews were great 😌

It has flaws

Every game has flaws

[young jetty]

Ok? BF1 still has mechanics that are shit

[pulsar shard]

But the game was very ahead of its time

Ok your opinion

Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong

[young jetty]

Ofc

BF1 graphic fidelity still held up to this day

[pulsar shard]

I just feel BF1 or BF3 or BF4 is the right movement they should go

I don’t like slide in bfv

Like I. Said

[young jetty]

BF4 movement nothing else

[pulsar shard]

BF4 movement without the exploits

Normal movement no exploits and we good

[tepid plinth]

i'd be down

[feral garden]

Animation needs to be faster if you use bf4 movement speed. BF4 if I remember correctly has very slow and sluggish animation.

[ruby merlin]

No it doesn't

There are plenty of good and bad games with high and low numbers

Cod for instance. Vanguard and Coldwar were bad yet had high numbers

But it's cod so....

High numbers≠good game

[shy pilot]

About the size of it

[ruby merlin]

Although battlefield 1 was objectively good it having high numbers doesn't give it evidence of being good.

The whole numbers argument and the inherent quality of a game doesn't work.

[young jetty]

Vanguard did terrible i think, activision had to come out and admit it.

[ruby merlin]

Lol

[digital radish]

Please do not add bots to BF?

Thanks

[pulsar shard]

Yeah the only people who buy cod are the new Fortnite kids or cod fans boys you have spend slot of money for skins or streamers who get paid to play the game

Don’t forget cod releases new game every year

[digital radish]

Buying skins in CoD is such a scam. Can't even use it year after year, even though players are able to glitch them into the game proving they could easily flip a switch to make them useable cross-game

[pulsar shard]

I know

[digital radish]

Really buying CoD at all is a scam at this point

[pulsar shard]

People who still play cod are getting scammed I was one of them too

[tepid plinth]

they release so often that you'll never be able to play a game a mere couple years after it launches

[ruby merlin]

Exactly

[pulsar shard]

Yea exactly and it’s the same game every year with a reskin

[tepid plinth]

like, we are still playing bf1 all these years later, cod's playerbase must move like herds of sheep to the point where I can't imagine the older games can be played at all

[digital radish]

I used to be a 3arc fanboy, but after playing for about 24 hours in BO6 I just totally quit CoD

[pulsar shard]

Yeah I agree

[pulsar shard]

U haven’t bought a cod since MW2022

Best choice I made it

[digital radish]

I've bought every CoD since BO1, exept BO6 which I used Gamepass to play

I would probably give a new CoD a chance if it did not have their horrendous SBMM

[pulsar shard]

I would buy cod again if the game was like the OG cod MW or BO2

[digital radish]

I don't even mind SBMM but theirs is on a different level

[tepid plinth]

it becomes something else when in a beta you can feel it tugging your matches in or against your favour

[digital radish]

Loved CoD 4, I played the MWR when it came out, it's in my top 3

[pulsar shard]

Same

[fathom cosmos]

The worst battlefield is way better than the best COD!

[fleet robin]

unfortunately wrong

[covert nest]

Dunno about you but black ops 2 was amazing.

[mossy marten]

[fleet robin]

mw2/bo2 clear bf2042 with little difficulty

tbh this just sounds like weak bait maybe i shouldn't have said anything

[mossy marten]

knowing the BF community...... i wouldn't be surprised if they believed that

[nimble bridge]

BF1's movement wasn't nerfed until like 1 or 2 year after release

[fleet robin]

yeah that's the thing, it's hard to tell if people are serious or baiting because of how many shit takes we get

[nimble bridge]

BF1 had BFV slide but they gutted it

[pulsar shard]

I know the slide was nerfed

But it’s still is a great game

Having no slide doesn’t mean the game is bad

[tepid plinth]

can alter your enjoyment depending on what you're after, but the important of course varies per person

[pulsar shard]

Yes that’s why games like apex or cod exists

It’s all about preferences,if I want to play a
Movement shooter I would play apex legends like I did many years ago

[tepid plinth]

I want to play something inbetween

just, battlefield

[pulsar shard]

Yeah battlefield is something in between

But not faster than cod

[tepid plinth]

it's changes edge it towards either side of that shooter design spectrum

but it's not a binary one or the other, which is why so many people seem to call those who disagree marginally just cod fans who should be ignored

[nimble bridge]

You have no aggressive movement options

[tepid plinth]

glad i'm the type who can enjoy both ends, but I know I do have preferences for bf

[pulsar shard]

So with no slide battlefield is not aggressive ?

So BF3 is not battlefield?

[mossy marten]

me getting "go back to COD" comments (even tho i rarely play CoD) after posting a clip of the dude humping the poster in hardline and saying this is the one's who don't like slide/movement options in BF

[nimble bridge]

BF3 had jump peeking which BF1 lacks

Not only that jump peeking allows you to slide a little bit

[mossy marten]

bf1's movement is stiff and jankier than bf3 lol

[pulsar shard]

Yeah BF3 jump peeking and bunny hopping was nerfed

Back when

It was never intended to be the way it was by the devs

You can still do it but not how it was you

The point of battlefield is not going. Is one man army

[mossy marten]

and then bf4 came out
and airstrafes were a thing, along with the jump-"slide" you can do and other ways to be aggressive that aren't glitches

[pulsar shard]

yeah but they were exploits not actual mechanics

[mossy marten]

"other ways to be aggressive that aren't glitches"

[pulsar shard]

Slide is actual mechanic not airstrafe

[tepid plinth]

those aren't exploits unlike the hitbox manipulation, prone slide type things. That's just how the movement was designed

[pulsar shard]

They are because if they are intended the devs would have already give official names for the mechanics

[mossy marten]

this, you didn't see airstrafes in future games (big sadge tbh)

[pulsar shard]

Prone slide in BF2 was patched too

[tepid plinth]

all you'd need to do is add a multiplier to movement speed changes while in the air, which bf1 did. Hence they had the power to but just didn't

[pulsar shard]

It wasn’t intended guys

I’m not saying having. Milsim movement is better

[nimble bridge]

Play Arma

[pulsar shard]

But justifying exploits is another thing

No you play cod

Or apex

[nimble bridge]

They have SBMM

[pulsar shard]

I play apex when I wanna sweat

[nimble bridge]

I can't play them even if I want to

[pulsar shard]

8 times predator

No reason to make battlefield apex too

[pulsar shard]

Why ?

[nimble bridge]

SBMM

[pulsar shard]

Yeah SbMM sucks

[mossy marten]

no one's asking for apex movement in battlefield

[pulsar shard]

Yeah but slide is not a battlefield mechanic

[nimble bridge]

I want BFV + 2042 bhopping

BF1 has sliding

[pulsar shard]

I prefer BF3

[mossy marten]

it is, has been for 3 games

games evolve over time
that includes certain mechanics getting added

[pulsar shard]

Yeah but they copied it from other games

[nimble bridge]

No, you don't understand they should make the movement like the 15 year old game which was even clunky at it's time

[pulsar shard]

Evolve doesn’t mean it’s better

Don’t fix something that isn’t broken

[mossy marten]

and other games copied it from other games, thus all games are copied, thus every game is the same

[pulsar shard]

So you guys want to change the identity of a game into another game

So every game would turn into another movement shooter

Same thing that happens to cod will happen to battlefield

[mossy marten]

bfv already has omni movement in a way, so technically bo6 copied bfv

[pulsar shard]

I know yes

[nimble bridge]

MW19 copied BFV slide too

[covert nest]

Honestly the only thing I want from Apex is the hill slide thing.

[tepid plinth]

not at all, just slightly more towards to make gunfights more fun

again, it isn't a binary thing

[covert nest]

Infinite slide mechanic.

[mossy marten]

that would be quite fun ngl

[pulsar shard]

But battlefield is supposed to be an casual game

So why make it complicated

[mossy marten]

a casual game doesn't mean it has to be stale and stiff

[nimble bridge]

BF movement is already extremely easy to learn

[mossy marten]

this

[pulsar shard]

So bf3 is is stale ?

[nimble bridge]

2042 movement is literally just jump + slide

[pulsar shard]

Having no slide or crazy movement doesn’t make the game stale or milsim

[nimble bridge]

BFV movement is just press crouch twice

[nimble bridge]

It does, turns to a camping game because peeker will win

[tepid plinth]

to make it more fun

[vale tinsel]

Pretty sure dolphin diving was invented from BF1942 wa also in BF2 and wasn't the roll mechanic added in BF2 while laying prone?

[pulsar shard]

No it doesn’t BF3 for example

[tepid plinth]

you overestimate what I'm asking for
one tiny change to movement

[nimble bridge]

BF3 has extremely fast TTK

[tepid plinth]

that 80% of the playerbase won't even know exists

[nimble bridge]

And slow ADS/sprint to fire speeds

Peekers will win easier in BF3 than any other BF

[pulsar shard]

BF3. Is great

[covert nest]

Yeah that's the point. "Fun"

I don't feel like it's a bad mechanic to have when you literally have people having fun going down a hill.

[mossy marten]

me sliding down a hill: "WEEEEEEEEEE"

[covert nest]

I remember

During launch reviews for apex people were having genuine fun going down hills.

And you could go all the way.

[tepid plinth]

when there is little mobility, entering contested enemy space requires utility and supression only, and it's more about just clearing angles as people hold them defensively. With movement, people get into actual fights

[pulsar shard]

It’s all about preferences at this point

Game could be fun without crazy movement

[mossy marten]

well
the next BF already has a slide, dive, and annoying bfv laying on back

[pulsar shard]

But if you guys like it that’s on you

[mossy marten]

so

[pulsar shard]

👍

[mossy marten]

no one's asking for crazy movement tho
but i'm done here

[nimble bridge]

No slide cancel, no edgeboosting, no g-slide, no bunnyhopping, no dancing = no buy

[covert nest]

People aren't necessarily asking for crazy movement they're just asking for movement options that pushes the experience in a positive direction.

[tall urchin]

Yeah, a game where playing defensively or camping corners isn't contestable just makes for a boring ass game.

Don't want to recreate head glitch and smokes simulator aka Delta Force and even that has some basic movement fundamentals.

[covert nest]

Bf3 in my experience was actually pretty aggressive.

Gazelle jumping would boost your speed.

[nimble bridge]

DF is weird man, slide is exclusive to one character, everyone can use diving for some reason though

[nimble bridge]

I tried it but that doesn't seem to be the case

[covert nest]

It does.

It actually did make you faster in bf3.

They've had to actively tune it.

[nimble bridge]

Well I tried it last time I played but I was losing momentum over time

[hollow quarry]

I hope I get chosen for BF labs someday

[tepid plinth]

don't we all :(

[mossy marten]

[nimble bridge]

If I am going to be chosen it will be for tanks or jets as if I play them 🤣

[tepid plinth]

I will pray that helis don't have flight assist bugged day one

[hollow quarry]

From all the stuff I've seen so far, It looks like it's gonna be good

Even though I've never played battlefield before I might actually buy this and give it a shot

[mossy marten]

well you're in luck if you are on PC
all of them are stupid cheap to buy atm

[nimble bridge]

I think they should get rid of 3D spotting, people are arguing 3D spotting is essential to find campers yet the first perk of recon makes them more resistant to 3D spotting 😂

3D spotting only harms flankers, someone spots your flank, then good luck trying to dodge fire from 20 different angles

They should add ''you've been spotted'' indicator in one of these tests to see how many people will still want 3D spotting, I bet majority will want it gone 😛

[tall urchin]

Spotting is still less annoying than these straight up wallhack devices that reveal positions through smoke.

[fleet robin]

they gotta get rid of thermals and 3d spotting

[minor linden]

replace thermals with night vision and have 0 nighttime maps

[nimble bridge]

[tall urchin]

Night vision and just self flashbang

[nimble bridge]

They were still annoying in BF4 tbh

Because they worked like thermals

[wispy dagger]

Thermals are ok if it’s only while very close/in the smoke

[mossy marten]

plz god no thermals thru smoke

mod check?

[tall urchin]

BF4 thermals were so annoying

[mossy marten]

[ripe hornet]

everything after bf3 and bc2 was bad change my mind

[ruby merlin]

4 and 1 weren't bad

Same for hardline

Also V

The only bad one was 2042

[young jetty]

Wrong

[steel torrent]

BF4 and BF1 were fantastic

[nimble bridge]

2042 is goated

[maiden pagoda]

Bro , you got to wait until 01 of April for that

[gritty galleon]

1. April really? 🤣🤣 such a joke april april

[stiff storm]

That's not annoying, that's actually a good proning system

[steel torrent]

Being able to lie on your back was not a bas mechanic. It allows you for example, to dolphin dive out of stairs/window, turn mid air and shoot back at your enemy

it is a good mechanic

[tepid plinth]

Most dislike it because of the tendency to lie in a deep corner with it, but in reality that’s possible just the same with regular prone so I don’t have much disdain for it

[feral garden]

Regular prone pushes you out of the corner, and puts your head as the forst thing bullets hit.

[spice bramble]

I like back proning because you're not forced to do a slow 360 turn on the ground

[feral garden]

Transition should be made slow to avoid weird looking prone animation in 3rd person

[spice bramble]

Not as slow as 360-ing but yeah

[sharp plover]

I am the battlefield talk to yall on Friday

[mossy marten]

[jovial raven]

For anyone who gets to make it to the next playtests: you guys should try and see if you can launch team vehicles into the stratosphere using C4/C5

Would be interesting if they implemented those "Only In Battlefield" tricks that were advertised in 2042 but never even work like intended.

[feral garden]

Battlefield became boring and bland when they had to "Implement only in battlefield moments"

[woven cosmos]

I think they will. With the direction they are pushing this game. I have my hopes high

[feral garden]

Battlefield moments in older games happened when good game design and map design combined. Also lots of older moments came from unexpected glitches (Vehicle launching, vehicle bouncing, MAV riding, ETC)

[jovial raven]

Which game did that? Because 2042 did not do that at all.

[feral garden]

Yes they did

Gapple hook and C5 is a clear desire to fabricate only in battlefield moments

[spice bramble]

The trailers... don't forget the trailers...

[feral garden]

Same with wingsuits and C5, cluster grenades, ETC

[jovial raven]

You couldn't even send a tiny car 3 feet into the air until 5 months after launch

[feral garden]

Im talking about the fun stuff that made only in battlefield moments in past games (BF4) largely came about by accident

[stiff storm]

C5 is soo weak though...

It's like a fire cracker

[jovial raven]

They might as well have added a TOOT sound anytime anyone attempted to pull the trick off and an achievement called "Atleast you tried lmao"

[wispy dagger]

I hope no grapple hooks to be honest. Unless it’s limited to a hand thrown object. The grapple guns shooting and pulling forward fast kill the immersion for me

[rancid inlet]

.

[nimble bridge]

BF became boring when they decided to remove only in battlefield moments

Why remove spider hovercrafts

That was fun

[stiff storm]

Yeah

Why remove the ability to team kill lamers in ur team xD

I could drive and step out

They ruin the fun for some reason

[mossy marten]

[oak condor]

angel crate still works perfectly fine

it's a good """sniper""" removal tool

[strong saddle]

hey guys I'm new here, how can I play in the BF labs? I'd like to try the new game. Is it possible?

[quick merlin]

you need to register.

[fleet robin]

sign up on the playtesting website and wait for an email

[quick merlin]

...if chosen.

[strong saddle]

Thx. Does it take a long time to receive the email?

[fleet robin]

it's like winning the lottery

[strong saddle]

LOL

That's okay, thx dude

[fleet robin]

no worries

[jovial raven]

The same way they made Damavand peak have the parachute gimmick, they should have a Breakthrough map with the gimmick of climbing a mountain using that strategy.

[stiff storm]

exactly ^^

[wide delta]

Did anyone get into that last play test?

[fleet robin]

if they did they can't say

[wide delta]

Ah poop

So uhhhh battlefield 4?

[twin zenith]

Praying I get into the next

[vagrant lance]

u need some requirements to participation or its pure luck

?

[feral garden]

Its entirely luck

But you also need to be in the US or Europe

[mossy marten]

Until they expand*

[feral garden]

If they were expanding right now, I would have included the info. they arent, so its mostly useless info for this user

[young jetty]

They said they’re including North American players for the first time

[feral garden]

Id avoid sharing leaks/info that comes from private internal discord servers here TBH

The only reason they stopped banning people was to allow for gameplay discussion

[young jetty]

It was all for marketing

[feral garden]

No, it wasnt. People were banned from here for sharing it

Take the tinfoil hat off

[young jetty]

No they saw the positive reception they were receiving and allowed people to bring up back the footage, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

[feral garden]

What does this have to do with leaks from their private discord

Do you deliberately ignore this part?

[young jetty]

No I haven’t

[feral garden]

Literally this FFS

"I saw it on Reddit"

[minor linden]

I don't think that's from a private discord. Iirc they officially stated that the first tests are NA and EU only

[feral garden]

It is

[young jetty]

It doesn’t even fucking matter, it’s gonna leak anyway

[feral garden]

Cool, get banned for all I care then. GG

😄

[young jetty]

Ok EA/DICE shill

[feral garden]

Trying to stop YOU getting muted/banned...makes me an EA shill?

You truely are special

[young jetty]

I’m not even going to waste my breath have a nice day

[mossy marten]

i was talking about regions that aren't NA or EU

[young jetty]

Then later

[covert nest]

Labs was initially stated for us and eu.

Ehhh there's a lot obfuscated so it's really difficult to get a good bead on it all.

[clever sparrow]

wouldn't it be kind of obvious that the regions the game is being mainly developed in would come first for testing

[tepid plinth]

Big brain move

[signal vigil]

I only come to this chat to read BSoD’s zingers

Also heard US wasn’t included in the first playtest, was that true?

No wonder I wasn’t invited

[nova rune]

Do you guys like at least for now animation of throwing grenades ?

[feral garden]

Ive not seen enough to know TBH.

It looks like they have a few different ways to throw, but as i said ive not seen enough to know.

[nova rune]

let me find that clip

[mossy marten]

as long as throwing a grenade doesn't take 3 business days like bf4, we're good

[tepid plinth]

haven't seen anyone throw a nade, but they haven't really failed a throwing animation

[feral garden]

If fine with needing to hold Grenade button for further throwing also.

[tepid plinth]

I wouldn't be to be honest

i've learned the throwing arc so intutively that i'd rather it just be a static distance that I bounce to where it needs to go

[feral garden]

Would significantly reduce nade spam into concentrated areas. also allowing them to make nades stronger

[nova rune]

im searching for that clip but basically looks similar to CoD

[mossy marten]

distance thrown should be between bf4 and 2042
not too far, and not too wimpy of a throw

[tepid plinth]

if you'd have to hold it then yeah it'll theoretically expose you for longer, but I just like the feel of a consistent distance

[mossy marten]

one of them was a backhanded throw

[feral garden]

Nades have been so shit in last few BF games cos they are just n00b friendly. If you need to learn the min and max distance, as a con, but the pro being a stronger nade...thats good for the game

[tepid plinth]

is this something that's actually confirmed?

[nova rune]

oh I did not seen that to be honest

[tepid plinth]

well... 'confirmed'

[feral garden]

I saw it in chat in the test, and saw some short nade throws, so I assume so

[tepid plinth]

holding g also sounds really un-ergonomic

[nova rune]

yep maybe that was that clip

[tepid plinth]

if it was the classic 'left click to yeet, right click to underhand' then maybe that'll be a nice compromise

I get my consistent distance but short throws work too

[nova rune]

in which BF was that mechanic?

[mossy marten]

toggle nade > hold

[tepid plinth]

wasn't relating to classic bf sorry, just how it's handled in other games

[nova rune]

oh gotcha

[mossy marten]

it's a mechanic in pubg for example

[mild girder]

Tomorrow is the big day

🤭

[feral garden]

Make using nades skillful again, so they are allowed to be strong.

[nova rune]

I would just make it easy and simple click G and aim to make throw as far as you would

[tepid plinth]

tomorrow is definitely a monday

[mild girder]

and the day of my birth

would love to see a bf labs invite in my Mail as a gift

[nova rune]

I hope more people from Battlefield world get their hands on labs

[feral garden]

I dont think they are scaling up testers by a lot if comments from David Sirland are to be believed.

[nova rune]

other thing is removed flags for being replaced by stupid and awfull borderlines from delta force, I only hope that was only for labs

[feral garden]

Flags havent made sense since they removed proximity capping 3 games ago. The sectors themselves are fine

[mild girder]

I think they will invite a few new EU Players

[feral garden]

https://x.com/tiggr_/status/1901288978562658362

David Sirland (@tiggr_) on X

@JU_JU_bee187 @ghenaxgg No, the controlled size is very much something we want at this point, leaks or not. It's to ensure our processes, systems and pipelines for new builds are up to snuff and smooth, and that the game backends scale well etc.

X · Mar 16, 2025, 3:06 PM

¯_(ツ)_/¯

In reply to

So as in more people will be added on the next playtest this week? Y'all might as well do a open beta at this point.

[mild girder]

Let a boy dream :c

[mossy marten]

let me huff that hopium

[mild girder]

I will manifest that invite

[mossy marten]

insert that new meme of the ritual D&D animation thing i see on tiktok

[tepid plinth]

in the dev log they did say these tests are also primarily for server stability testing over just testing features and content etc

which was a given of course

but it's just tantalising knowing some people are playing it early :(

[feral garden]

Its not like anyone testing has constant access.

[mild girder]

Tbh, testing server stability should be done a bit later on imo. Sure the servers shouldnt run like ass while testing, but if they work well enough for the more important tests (gameplay stuff), they should focus on these more

[feral garden]

How do you know if an issue is caused by hit detection, or other if you dont first make sure your servers are working as intended

Your statement is like suggesting building a house, on a foundation thats not yet complete, or only partially complete

[mossy marten]

that's true
we don't need another game with shoddy hitreg (2042 i'm looking at you)

[nova rune]

not at all to be honest, classic capture of flag was great without visible in game just in minimap, BF V has flags 🫣

[feral garden]

The flags used to do something tho

they havent since BF4

So having them makes little to no sense, outside of Aesthetic...and I dont think the flags even make sense as a prop in a modern setting

If you werent aware, in older games, the closer you were to a flag, the faster you captured it. That hasnt been a thing for a long time now, so the flags are purely cosmetic.

In a game where its NATO vs a PMC, flags dont make a lot of sense to have. Tho at the same time, im not against the use of flags, or the return of classic proximity capturing

[tepid plinth]

tbh I never even look at the flags, always the ui element

[ruby merlin]

Wait wait. What games has this (I need to know as I had no idea and that's usefull)

Bf4?

[feral garden]

BF3/4 were the last IIRC

[ruby merlin]

That's the main game I play

WHAT

I SHOULD OF DONE THAT THIS WHOLE TIME

I LOVE PLAYING OBJ💀

[nova rune]

Really ?

[ruby merlin]

In conquest right?

[nova rune]

I going test it rn

[ruby merlin]

That's crazy

How much quicker?

[feral garden]

Yes, its how you can have a 1v1 on a flag...but lose the flag if the other player is closer to the flag object

[ruby merlin]

WAIT I THOUGHT THAT WAS MAJORITY OF WHICH TEAM IS ON THE POINT

💀😭😭

[tepid plinth]

yeah I quite like that

[ruby merlin]

LMAO

[tepid plinth]

nono it's still majority, just that if it's even then it sways to whoever is closer

[ruby merlin]

Oh

[feral garden]

Its majority, and proximity to the flag object. I should specify that you dont cap it faster being closer. this only comes into play when the flags are contested

[nova rune]

Legit check, cuz I always thought that was depending on amount of frendlies or enemies in capture point

[feral garden]

It is, but if its 2v2...the closer players are to the flag...their side will cap it

[ruby merlin]

Where do i find the flag

Is it tall

What about indoor

[feral garden]

Its the big flag looking thing?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby merlin]

Lol

[feral garden]

Maybe this only came in in BF1, but I was sure BF3/4 had it also

[nova rune]

or right caping from neutral on egde of point take ~19 seconds (solo), next to flag same around 19 sec, so I have to check that tommorow with my friend, but solo no difference

[feral garden]

Time wise it will be the same, its only ffor contested flags.

What server are you on, I have BF4 installed

Seems its not the case on BF4, so it must have cme in with BF1

[tepid plinth]

bf1 i remember it first mentioned in

[nova rune]

just searched for empty server

i captured one flag then changed teams and try to cap and use stoper to make it clear

[errant turret]

Quick question; what's the subject title for the invite email?

[mossy marten]

probably not a question to ask here unless you like getting stuff deleted

#how-to-report-and-appeal might be a better option tbh

[errant turret]

Email subject titles is... NDA?

I'll do that then.

[tall urchin]

You've won 1,000,000 dollars please give us your banking info to deposit!

[mossy marten]

[errant turret]

@tall urchin That's pennies... Not interested.

[ruby merlin]

Yay

[kind dirge]

Given that you gotta sign up to EA play testing i assume should be EA playtesting ?

[woven saffron]

Mmm I love signing up for play tests on games except literally every game I have ever tried to sign up for does not respond cause I'm at the bottom of the world and not in the US

[tropic jewel]

make them red and blue

[covert nest]

You could get them quicker on bf5 by moving closer too.

[nimble bridge]

It's my birthday too, I hope @dice sends me a birthday gift

[somber valve]

If someone gets access to the lab do they have access to all future test?

[mossy marten]

i would be surprised if they didn't receive access to future tests

[tropic jewel]

Yes

[tawdry magnet]

Curious to know if any absolute aim gods got access to the playtest

[mossy marten]

[half halo]

I'm pretty sure only bots got access

[gleaming dagger]

when the asians brothers get chance to play BF labs

i heard that NA brothers going to get access for this week BF labs playtest

[tall urchin]

The only NA getting in I've seen are just the roller bots with sub 100 hours in the games.

[gleaming dagger]

[tall urchin]

After a game with broken mouse input I want at least one TS demon seeing how shit plays.

[gleaming dagger]

first thing i try if i get access to BF labs is flicking my mouse lol

[tall urchin]

Based

[covert nest]

One thing I'd like to do when I get into pre access build is see how good the game feels on controller.

Pre access? Pre release.

[tall urchin]

I'd be shocked if they don't increase AA for the next game honestly.

[covert nest]

If it was clearly defined and wasn't made the default (say 110 to 120% of bf5) with clear warnings about what happens if you increased it then I'd be up for it.

And keep in mind. Basic aa is just like a light sticky aim. The higher your aa and the better you were the more screwed you were.

[tall urchin]

Nah I mean they're going to go the CoD route of rotational assist.

It prints money for casual audiences, and retention is what facilitates strong sales of battlepasses and cosmetic rollout.

[gleaming dagger]

based on my experience i never get this mnk vs controller issues that controller is Overpowered because in my region (sg server) people using Console is not good playing the game

but i get if you play in JP server maybe theres good player using controller so its frustrating playing against AA/ RAA

[scenic owl]

512 player servers

the goal is to set everyone's console and PC on fire

[tepid plinth]

Gotta love the redditors complaining about recoil now. Don’t seem to realise it can be controlled

Awesome

[nova inlet]

same id much rather burst fire long ranges or even tapfire like in bf3-4 than to get absolutely lazerbeamed by an ac9 smg 200 meters away

[tepid plinth]

It’s just crazy to me that people are critiquing something that they haven’t felt themselves yet. It’s nigh impossible to know how recoil behaves without being behind the wheel

[nova inlet]

ive shotten an AR 25-450m distances its impossible to go full auto and expect to hit your target

for the gameplay 25-50 is alright to me to be able to use full auto and still hit your target cant go too realistic sometimes

[tepid plinth]

Realistic or not there needs to be some measures to control engagement ranges anyway

[nova inlet]

agreed

[twin fractal]

I think many former battlefield players who got burned by 2042 spent to long playing more hardcore games and forgot what Battlefield recoil is

I'd argue the recoil we're getting is harder than battlefield V's

[tepid plinth]

Have you played it?

Not being patronising or anything but I’ve yet to see anyone describe how it’s recoil actually functions and actually want to know finally

[twin fractal]

No but I've seen clips of the recoil uncontrolled be demonstrated on leaks in the subreddit

It actually reminds me of Battlefield 4 before they completely killed recoil and replaced it with bloom.

(Still don't understand why they did that and no updated answer from the people who worked on Battlefield 4 has ever been given)

[tepid plinth]

Just really want to have at it

Praying each day for an invite

[uneven dock]

Fingers crossed console invos this week

[unique copper]

Same

I love BF and would love to playtest

[weary mantle]

just going off trends and assumptions. I personally have never been concerned about aiming in the 20+ years I've been using MnK until the past few years. Never had a problem countering joystick AA as a mechanic. Wasn't until certain games started adding visual recoil and weapon barrel inertia that I started to feel like it became kind of obvious they don't want people using this peripheral anymore. It's not fun anymore when you can see and feel the game arbitrarily hindering something so basic as aiming and moving around in a digital world. Especially when it's layered on top of something like AA that's already there for a similar purpose, which is to make it easier for joystick users to compete. So you get the sense that the game is actively helping your opponent and actively hurting you. Not ideal

[tepid plinth]

oh tell me about it, been seeing the rise of rotational AA and it hurts the drive to continue training when you know others get that much assist

but at this point it's wearing me thin. At this point i'll never get to enjoy anything if I constantly bring it up

i'm still rooting for input based matchmaking, but that seems to be nowhere near anybody's radar. Especially with how games force crossplay and mock you with it as a setting that can't be disabled

I just want a new shooter to enjoy, if that means putting aside input woes I will

[weary mantle]

don't go chasin waterfalls bro

[feral garden]

Never really had any issues with input or AA in BF TBH. Unless ye are talking about COD, which is a weird topic for Labs channel haha

[tepid plinth]

just in general

in bf I don't care as much as I do in other shooters

[weary mantle]

yea it was an example of a mainstream FPS and a new aiming mechanic -edit: that I don't want in BF

[feral garden]

COD just tuned controller AA way to much in the last few games, It doesnt seem as bad in the current versions, but its still pretty strong. The main issue with AA, is that they both add it, and visual recoil...but users with AA in play not only have assistance for aiming, but the visual recoil counter also.

[safe moat]

From what I know(non leak info) is that Labs does infact include console players

[feral garden]

PS5 users for sure. Unsure about Xbox. From personal experience, I know its a pain in the ass to get through MS/Xbox certification.

[sly vine]

I know you probably hear this question a thousand times a day, but does anyone know if and when the next ones will be added? 😁

[feral garden]

No one knows

[sly vine]

Fuuuuuuu*k

[nimble bridge]

CoD AA is on a different level. Not even Titanfall had that strong AA. I know it because I played it with both MNK and controllers. BF aim assist is fine tbh.

[half halo]

Yeah, Xbox certification takes so Much Time and sometimes it's just not worth it to push for something to be uploaded if it's only to be played for a couple of hours

[feral garden]

Sometimes they dont even respond to requests for certification...

[fleet robin]

yeah i felt the same, the recoil doesn't look very strong which makes me think they'll add lots of spread

[stiff storm]

Inb4 another BF3 like OP M16

[mint cobalt]

I am back with more of my crazy antics about what they should do for the next Battlefield d(0v<, for starters Levolution, if Levolution comes back for BF6, they need to be more part of the Map rather then what they were in BF4, to explain the biggest culprits in BF4 Vanilla maps for Levolution are: Siege of Shanghai, Paracel Storm, Flood Zone, Rpgue Tansimission, Dawnbreaker, Lancang Dam and Zevod 311, and my problem with those 7 maps was the Levolution triggers were place in area where the conflict were never at or they were in a way that didn't make and sense, and it felt like they were more treated like easter eggs, rather then being catastrophic events that happen naturally, you have to go out of your way to trigger these events, the one I always think of is Rouge Transmission, where one trigger is place between A and B flag while the other is not even close to E or F flag, it is out in a open field, and the only two maps that nail the Levolution, was Operation Locker Warden Tower, and Hainan Resort, with destroying the two side of the Building, those two work because they were place where the conflict is and you would see it more often then ones like Lancang Dam

[tribal flame]

Levolution could be more impactful if it removed/relocated an objective from the map in Conquest and opened more routes towards objectives in Breakthrough

But I'd take well thought maps with localized destructions over massive Levolution event making the maps unbalanced.

[nimble bridge]

I don't think we'll get M16 but we'll get M4, M4 is great in any game it's ever been in anyways lol. Even 2042's M5 is great despite not being an M4 behaves like an M4.

[tribal flame]

To take the example of Siege of Shanghai, Levolution could have been more strategic, with 2 different points of attack to make the tower fall in one direction or the other, changing the location of the central point closer to one base or the other.

[stiff storm]

Well I wasn't really talking about specific gun like that but the gunplay of m16 in BF3, pinpoint accuracy, no recoil and OP in every fucking way

There will always be a gun like that added to every bf

In forms of different guns

There will always be a gun that's coded to be totally OP

[mint cobalt]

Siege of Shanghai Levolution is kind a hard one, because where flag is place give no reason to shoot the four pillars (other then for those who want experience what war crime is), I was thinking they could’ve put flag in the main floor, but then there really wouldn’t be a reason to be at the top of the skyscraper

[tribal flame]

Yes, that's my point. Starting the game on that map with the tower or with it already destroyed would play the same : It is still a central point of the map both team have equal chance to capture.
The only "valid" reason to blow it up is if you struggle to capture back the objective on top over a long period of time.

[kind dirge]

Really wished levolution would come back hopefully at least we get dynamic weather effects

[steel torrent]

levolution was nice, but it became a cliche quite quick

[safe moat]

I have a feeling it will come back

[steel torrent]

I rather have good destructions in many structures and not some scripted one

[safe moat]

But in a kind of different form, it will be integrated to the actual destruction system

thus allowing us to like S4L4M4 said, do our own levolutions

[nimble bridge]

https://youtu.be/zXEQrGsJuz8

Do we really need levolutions?

[safe moat]

again, not the ones like we had but more of integrated to the destruction system we already do. Like smaller scale but still impactful

in example like flattening small buildings, maybe collapsing an upper bridge

nothing too major to fully change the map but still impactful

[stiff storm]

yes.

[nimble bridge]

I dunno who that guy is but his video includes opinions of people from this discord, gives me an idea of who'se opinions to filter and not 🤣

[stiff storm]

opinions are just like buttholes, everyone has one

[nimble bridge]

True

[stiff storm]

not everyone is right about it though

some are more valid than others

[safe moat]

Everyone has opinions dumbass, it comes free with your ability of living

[stiff storm]

that!

[minor linden]

Levolutions were basically just scripted large scale destruction scenes that they used to make games seem like they had a lot of action going on. Imo, If normal destruction is good enough, they shouldn’t need to use levolutions as a crutch

[safe moat]

which is why i say we should have Normal Destruction Integrated Levolutions. Much smaller scale(bigger than 2042's however) but still impactful

[feral garden]

Levelution like on Floodzone was really cool in concept. My main issue with it was that it made the level kind of a pain. A map a bit bigger than Floodzone, with a similar event would be cool.

[minor linden]

I agree with that. Something like 4’s small/medium building collapses could be expanded into different structure types

[feral garden]

Shanghai was cool too, but the building area after building fall was kinda average.

They could have made that better.

[nimble bridge]

I just want rain and sandstorms

Like in BFV

Lowers the visibility

[feral garden]

Or building collapse and dust in the air 😛

[nimble bridge]

True

[safe moat]

like think about it. You are playing the match, buildings are getting destroyed left and right and you are able to collapse an upper bridge that allows for cover. That wont ruin the map but would change how you play in the map because now that elevated cover is destroyable

[tribal flame]

yes, like the underground parking in Siege of Shanghai, where you could blow up the pillars to create a ramp to the road. Small, localized yet scripted results that changes the pathway of the map.

[minor linden]

It does seem like the normal destruction produces a lot of dust, so a building falling would block a lot of vision

[young jetty]

They did say this game was gonna feature the most realistic destruction effects.

[tribal flame]

Something as simple as blowing up a radio tower on a roof and make if fall so it bridges 2 buildings would be cool.

[minor linden]

It also seems like 3’s rubble damage is returning which will make explosives have slightly more strategic value

[feral garden]

Yeah, also makes for better level design/interactivity

I always loved that element to levels in BF3. The likes of seine crossing/Metro last sector were really great due to it.

[covert nest]

I just hope for interesting guns and gunplay.

Keep things at a good speed but allow most people to get into it.

[mossy marten]

And movement that isn't like walking with a bag of bricks with cement feet

[nimble bridge]

[craggy cairn]

Can anyone confirm if takedown counterattacks are in the game? I just had a random thought that they should add increasingly shorter input windows, to get situations like that Russian/Ukranian soldier cam footage. Respect to those two soldiers 🕊️

[half halo]

No Idea yet

[nimble bridge]

I hope not

Countermelee is cringe

[tribal flame]

As long as they're not in 3rd person pov with a 15sec long aniamtion so you get shot every time you try to knife a guy in the back I'm fine.

[craggy cairn]

"The better man always wins in a hand to hand combat situation" 😌

[craggy cairn]

My thoughts exactly

[nimble bridge]

BFV has the best melee in the series and lacks countermelee 😛

[mossy marten]

Sledgehammer melee weapon

[tribal flame]

I like the BF1 system, where you could melee an enemy with low health from the front and get an animation. But that wouldn't fit a modern era.

[craggy cairn]

Yup BF4, 1, and 5 are the best melee mechanics for sure

[feral garden]

Counter knifing was one of the worst parts of BF4, design wise.

[craggy cairn]

To each his own

[tribal flame]

that forces you to go for the back of the guy.

[feral garden]

Or the sides, as it is in 1/V

[tribal flame]

we need a key to counter the counterknifing

[feral garden]

Yeah, just have a full on QTE

/s

[covert nest]

Counter knifing was genuinely annoying. Just have a light smack.

[young jetty]

Don’t bring back counterknifing 😂

[craggy cairn]

Little battles within the battle are the best

[feral garden]

BC2 has the best knifing/tag collection system

[mild girder]

Happy birthday to me c:

[tribal flame]

then BF1 system : from front only start melee takedown animation if player is not full health. Meaning your first melee attack gives damages, and the second trigger the animation.

[daring lantern]

I liked BF3 and BF4 where you grabbed the tags in the animation

[craggy cairn]

Yea I saw that tag grabbing animations are back

I suggest everybody go watch that footage, its eye opening 🔥

[feral garden]

Tags matching your rank in BC2 was the best part. Bronze > Silver > Gold tags depending on rank. Then a trophy cabinet of all the tags youve taken, how many times youve taken each players tags, and which rank of tag it was you took.

Getting a full collection of bronze, silver and gold for each of your friends was fun 😄

[covert nest]

Happy birthday!

[stiff storm]

ah ye 2042 didnt have any ranks except numbers right?

that was just really weird....

[craggy cairn]

1000%

[mossy marten]

Happy Womb Exit Day

[stiff storm]

xD

[nimble bridge]

[kind dirge]

Always kept blank tags on so no one would ever get the rare tags I had ha

[young jetty]

Happy b day master

[tribal flame]

Joyeux anniversaire mate

[mossy marten]

[jolly hedge]

Guys*

How much do you think the game is going to cost

[honest cliff]

If its more than the now standard $70USD im crashing out

[minor linden]

It’s probably going to be $70 with the BR being f2p

[fleet robin]

probably the same as always, but if they're really going to have 4 game modes maybe it'll be more

[wheat niche]

why battlefield hardline is not active via steam ?

[honest cliff]

Theres no BR in labs right

Ive not heard any mention of that

[minor linden]

They’re just testing MP as of right now

[jolly hedge]

Least of my worries

[fleet robin]

because nobody is playing it

[minor linden]

No campaign or br yet

[lone sierra]

😂

[jolly hedge]

Seriously who cares about this

[wheat niche]

but server active and i was join before a time

[honest cliff]

I have not heard a single thing about any BR games outside of Fortnite in like a year, they're pretty much all dead

[wheat niche]

missing file via steam

[lone sierra]

not me ..

[fleet robin]

this could not be further from the truth

[minor linden]

Fr. Even CoD is debating cutting off warzone

Though, that’s mainly cause warzone sucks

[fleet robin]

just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't mean they're dead

[wheat niche]

bfhl is really good mate

[fleet robin]

pubg is still the second most active game on steam, fortnite is still huge, the only one that's actually suffering is warzone

[honest cliff]

I know, but from what Ive seen most existing big BRs are slowly dying in relevance aside from Fortnite

[wheat niche]

some body care cause weak pc they are need to play at least a 1 bf gamr

[honest cliff]

PUBG is a weird thing bcs its still got a big playerbase but most of them are in the 3rd world so most people dont hear about it online much

[minor linden]

Apex is still top 10

Surprisingly

[honest cliff]

All ive heard about Apex online is pure fatigue and whining from its fans

[mossy marten]

There's only one server in the world that is populated (located in Germany, peak number is during peak EU times, weekends it's nearly a full server, otherwise, SoL)

[honest cliff]

I dont know how people that have played Apex since like 2019 still enjoy it when all the new content they get is mid legend reworks and repaints of existing cosmectics that cost far too much

[tepid plinth]

Maybe because they just like the current game

[mossy marten]

it is one of the fewer games that have a higher skill ceiling compared to say, Warzone or others

but me no like heroes and abilities, so me no play

[honest cliff]

Yeah but how would it not get boring grinding silly collection events to get recolours of existing cosmetics and finisihing a battle pass every month for years on end with no guns for like 3 years

[mossy marten]

🤷‍♂️

people still play older games religiously (BF4 and BF1) soooooo

[wheat niche]

now most of player wait new battlefield

but why. the are put a red arrow for flag and for the ammo boxes also i hate it is not.like.old bf

yes also me i play odler bf

[honest cliff]

What are you saying brother

[wheat niche]

i see vd off new bf6 on tiktok

they are put a mark of ammo and flag and medic

[stiff storm]

bleh tiktok.

[wheat niche]

i don t like it

[mossy marten]

on the minimap?

[stiff storm]

more like shittok

[wheat niche]

not on the map when you move

you will see red or blue or green and other color that depend on ur setting

but see bfv is really good as graphic and any old pc can activated

[mossy marten]

like objective markers that's normally there for flags?

that's been in BF since forever ago

[wheat niche]

maybe

but i removed from the setting

i don t like it no one like it also

[mossy marten]

Then that's preferences
Just because you disable all the markers on screen, doesn't mean everyone should have it off as well.
That's why it's settings

[tepid plinth]

Because people just like playing the game

Same reason people still play bf games even after unlocking everything

[honest cliff]

Yes but the difference is that BF games are still fun

[tepid plinth]

I don’t enjoy apex that much as a br but some people clearly do still

[heady rapids]

would be really cool to see a "sentry" return in the next BF as a pickup gadget like it was in BF1 🙂

[half halo]

So basically a gatling?

[mossy marten]

plz no

[heady rapids]

well , yes ,but when you take it from the map as a lucky guy (just one guy) is precious 🙂 and you try to survive not to loose it
we had that Katana in bfV too

is not op or annoying , just fun 😛

[mossy marten]

a gun pickup, sure
an elite class with extra HP, no

[heady rapids]

we had some guns pickup in BF4 too , like the railgun

in 2042.. is from the go.. and it's broken and op

[stiff storm]

and the USAS with fragrounds xD

[heady rapids]

yea , that too :))

[feral garden]

Yup, complete dead games!

[scarlet sundial]

Someone got invitation for the new test?

[honest cliff]

Shoutout to the people on BF1 who camped the elite boxes all game yall were a waste of match spots

[mossy marten]

that reminds me of the dragonsbreath underbarrel i saw a screenshot of

[stiff storm]

wow.... more people than I thought still play that

it looks like a heartrate monitor almost xD

[heady rapids]

@honest cliff well , we all wait for happiness 😛

[honest cliff]

I forgot that PUBG was really big in 3rd world countries, most people outside of there dont play it anymore from what ive heard

[heady rapids]

but I'm the PTFO guy for the win

[stiff storm]

its big on mobile too

like massive I think

[heady rapids]

wait PUG has 709k players ?!

[honest cliff]

And ruin it for other people, but ok

[versed token]

More than that

[stiff storm]

back when I played PUBG there was only 10k players xD but I played years ago

[versed token]

Console and mobile isn't counted

[stiff storm]

that game got boring

[feral garden]

Apex also having pretty consistently over 100K players on steam alone. Even given all its issues.

[heady rapids]

hope that we see another Firestorm 2.0 , I had alot of fun in the first one , and yes, I'm not a BR guy

[honest cliff]

I have no idea if PUBG mobile or anything like that displays playercounts but its probably several million Indians who cant afford a PC or console so they just play that

[feral garden]

Im not a BR guy myself either. but I have played a lot of PUBG, Apex and Firestorm was a pretty fun time with a squad.

[heady rapids]

hell of a fun for sure , but Firestorm was also a serious BR with BF vibes.. if you died.. was sad, so some gunfight was intense..no buy back

[half halo]

I'm not a BR guy myself either. However, I did play OG Warzone year 1 and 2, Apex Legends year 1 and Firestorm as well.

[feral garden]

WarZone when you actually had downtime between fights was a good time.

[heady rapids]

not a COD player

[honest cliff]

Theres not really been a new big BR game in like the last 2-3 years right

[feral garden]

Get to the zone, hold a position and have a chat with mates. the good old days of WZ. Now if you switch off for 60 seconds you are dead

[heady rapids]

I think a free new BF BR will pump some new players in the new BF game

and some cheaters too..

[honest cliff]

BR games now are just too full of sweats, soon as people figure out all the mechanics of them they get unfun for just about everybody

[versed token]

Only BR I've enjoyed playing is Blackout

[feral garden]

Only happens when the devs of those games allow abuse of their mechanics.

Like WZ has for going on 3 years

[mossy marten]

ahhh, rotational aim assist abuse

[feral garden]

Na, more like adding constant buy backs, self revive kits, redeploy beacons, ETC.

BR used to be single elimination, and have stakes for messing up. WZ is no longer that, so people just rush with a squad and then buy back the players who died

[mossy marten]

well, that is WZ's gimmick to be fair
Just like Fortnite's is building
Firestorms was armored vehicles and objectives in game
Apex's is..... stuff

[worn whale]

WZ is even worse, they purposely add broken new weapons in the battle pass so people buy it (or add packs that break the old meta, then do nothing until mid season or so…

[feral garden]

WZ wasnt like this always tho. At its peak it was a functional BR

[heady rapids]

kinda feels unfair to see a guy killing ya after you smoke his ass before in that match 🙂

[feral garden]

You'd solve a lot of issues in WZ by getting rid of self res, infinite buy backs (Buy backs in general) and redeploy beacons

[mossy marten]

well yeah
2042 was the same way
RM68 and VHX meta everyone?

[feral garden]

Also make the gas more deadly, and masks less useful.

[mossy marten]

removing buy backs doesn't make sense as that's what warzone released with
other stuff sure

[feral garden]

Apex revive system is better, where you needed to get the player tag to be able to res.

[worn whale]

Yeah, sweats won’t push as much but « noobs » will get mad because they’ll have to improve instead of just getting revived again and again

[tall urchin]

WZ had the right idea that the BR aspect sucks so they added methods that break away from the bad gameplay loop

Just sucks it's tethered to a game with zero skill gap and predatory monetization

[feral garden]

Yeah, thats why everyone hates WZ now...cos they made the BR mode better lol

"they broke away from the bad gameplay loop" give me a break

[tall urchin]

WZ has had issues but the common complaints are not about the BR loop.

[feral garden]

90% of the issues I see are from their decisions outside of the BR loop, that make it not a BR

[tall urchin]

Even Apex understood that moving away from what makes BR annoying have become their best limited modes and gave them good feedback

[feral garden]

Ah yeah, Apex LTMs, which no one calls terrible /s

[tall urchin]

Three strikes is easily their most favoured mode, what are you actually smoking lol

[heady rapids]

a New TitanFall will be cool as hell too

[tall urchin]

I have people who don't even play Apex anymore come back for their LTMs that focus on less downtime.

[mossy marten]

see
that doesn't make money though
so they won't make it

[heady rapids]

I think it will generate some cash too , if the game is "ready to play" and not work in progress in the first release day

[mossy marten]

well, something something something, Respawn cancelled an FPS game that wasn't even in it's planning stages

and it wasn't the rumored Mandalorian one

[heady rapids]

I would love a new Dead Space too , but we lost Visceral studio 😦
Plus they did a nice BF too , Hardline wasn't that bad

I think EA had a nice opportunity to have 2 studios that work for the BF francaise , COD has 3 .. that is why they have a new COD game every year.. we could have a new BF every 2 years with 2 studios
on DiCe one Visceral

[mossy marten]

been playing hardline recently when the one server on PC is actually sorta full, and man the gunplay in that game (not including snipers, BFV takes that one) is the best of the franchise

[sinful stump]

I should pick hardline up, it’s like 2 bucks rn

[fleet robin]

it's dead so i'd say no

[neat ginkgo]

Hardline still playable? Thought EA shut down most of the older game servers

[mossy marten]

on life support*
but if you are in NA or EU, there's one German server that is active during EU peak times on PC, weekends has nearly a full server (about 55-60 players)

[mossy marten]

they shut down the PS3/Xbox 360 servers for BF3/BF4/BF Hardline

[neat ginkgo]

1 whole server in the EU? Just pull the plug, at that point

[mossy marten]

PS4/Xbox One server are still open for BF4, Hardline