Starfield

[split river]

@woven comet ^

[woven comet]

thx

[cursive wind]

Latest driver. ReBAR and HAGS enabled. Nvidia Inspector profiles:

No custom stuff.

[split river]

thank you a lot for helping with this

[stray perch]

that is the only renodx- starfield addon that dose not crash my game on save file load, thanks

[split river]

@sturdy cloak it looks like RenoDRT and PsychoV disable/break visual effects of Aurora

[sturdy cloak]

I think it's a different shader iirc

So I'm missing it

[split river]

ngl I looked forward to experiencing the Aurora's oversaturation in the true RenoDX HDR glory

[solar pilot]

Using RenoDX in Starfield gives me red lines all over the picture. When I disable HDR in RenoDX settings, its gone.

Like in the hairs of characters and stuff

[ocean mesa]

@solar pilot If you're talking about ghosting/trailing colored shadows while turning back and forth quickly. That's caused by using preset B. Doesn't happen at all with preset A.

[exotic fog]

yep that fixed it for me the other day

[glass flame]

I didnt know starfield had this mod for it, not only did it fix the hdr but space is actually black now 🙏 ✨

i did change the eye adaptation to vanilla because i think the other version changes lighting way too quickly and fucks with the scanner a lil bit. unless thats normal?

[glass flame]

im using psycho-v17, i dont have an eye for hdr but is anything outta whack here?

[glass flame]

Only issue I noticed so far with the latest build is a hitch/stutter when scoping in on sniper rifles in zones full of enemies. Using FSR3 if that effects anything

[solar pilot]

I cant send a pic of it. Idk I cant get RenoDX to work at all with Starfield.

Like with framegen everythign turns gray.

Also game crashes when loading save. With the latest pinned build.

Not sure what I am doing wrong.

It doesnt work with or without framegen/dlss

Keeps crashing shit, or messing up colors with framegen.

With the DLSS / FG fix the game doesnt even launch.

[split river]

verify game files through steam
update drivers (or, even better, reinstall via DDU)
reset all Nvidia settings to deafault
clear all shader caches
install latest ReShade with addon support
delete all .INIs with game and RenoDX settings
run the game without any mods and at default settings

if after doing all of this together Reno still won't work - your setup is cursed

at this point I'd be reinstalling windows 10

[glass flame]

Can confirm it only happens on FSR3, I switched to DLSS and it doesnt stutter when scoping in

Reason I wasn't using DLSS was because framegen requires reflex and for some reason that cut my fps in half, in starfield and in no mans sky, but I tried on+boost today on a whim and it works, framerate smooth as butter.
AMD 7800x3D btw, so I was cpu bound, which is ironic how this is an AMD game 🫠

[glass flame]

Though with further testing FSR3 still performs way better (walking around akila) 4070ti btw... I have no clue 💀

[exotic fog]

I want the HD updates for this game but the MOD is like 10 separate files ugh. too lazy

[glass flame]

The top right message pops up every time I go into a menu or a conversation. Is there a way to prevent it from appearing?

[gaunt comet]

Top left?

[sturdy cloak]

that's reshade reloading for effects. i'm guessing FSR3? btw, i have the same monitor i think

[sturdy cloak]

what are your numbers/settings?

[glass flame]

Cuz I don't wanna tab out lol

Though that screenshot was with default settings I think?

[glass flame]

And yes correct, FSR3

[glass flame]

Oh I didn't actually upload the pic

Outstanding.

These settings are the ones I use in those screenshots I posted in gallery ^

[exotic fog]

what do you all prefer playing this game in, 1st or 3rd person?

[glass flame]

First, and I wish Beth would add more fp animations, stuff like sitting and landing/taking off planets

[stray perch]

https://github.com/altes21/OverlayDisabledReShade

[glass flame]

Ooh I'll give it a look after work, thank you <3

[split river]

playing Bethesda games in 3rd person is silly

[split river]

there are half-FP landing/taking off planets animations, but they are played rather rarely

even an FP grav jumping one

[sturdy cloak]

I played all of Starfield in 3rd person. Because I was going for cinematic feel

I can't get into cyberpunk because it's first person

[split river]

nothing wrong with having a strong preference for one or the other way for sure

although most games are definitely more suited towards one of the types of perspective

[eager palm]

I prefer third person in starfield

Partially because I hate that you don't cast a shadow in first

[next thistle]

shiddy reflections brought to you by idtech 7 i guess

reflections are updated on some kind of interval i guess. there seems to be one that primarily samples the sky and then something else that is more like geometry or terrain or both

there's some logic somewhere to prevent the reflections from being updated until some kind of trigger is hit. maybe multiple -> some kind of screen bounds and/or heuristic based on position, and/or player has stopped moving. but you can cause terrible misalignment of the cube map until you stop in place or let it get so bad it decides to update.

e.g.

numerous ini variables that are adjustable, but none i can find which easily influence that behavior (reduce the error amount before it fires an update of the cube map.)

doesn't seem to be an issue with probe density...it always aligns pretty well once you stop moving.

there's also something fucky with terrain sampling. if the player is too high above water, terrain doesn't get captured, only other geometry?

making the water look espescially flat / overly bright.

if could fix that + update heuristic, probably wouldn't be half bad. ideally could increase the resolution a tad, but apparently going above 256 can cause CTD

interesting, i can disable draw of a particular shader and actually watch it update more frequently when you're not moving, and stop updaing when you are. why

since its driven by engine logic i guess there must be a way to manipulate it with SFSE

interesting ok, terrain is separate from other geo

and yeah, the probe seems to capture relative to player height in such a way that if the terrain is sufficiently lower than the player (but higher than the water) -> it doesn't reflect.

i'd like to say it makes sense for performance reasons but gta v has had real time cube maps that update at 30hz or more since forever

[next thistle]

weeeee

[next thistle]

...tfw game gains performance when i force (certain) meshes to lod0

there are multiple lod systems but the meshlod system (used often for vegitation, terrain, some skinning) seems to force the game to draw multiple meshes at once (and tries to blend them using a screen door / transparency effect)...at the cost of performance on my setup

okay not exclusively true. it depends on amount of veg in the frustrum. sometimes its a win, sometimes its a loss.

[oak surge]

Love the lighting, using RCAS for sharpening

[exotic fog]

whats rcas?

[ocean mesa]

@exotic fog It's a one of the staples of Lilium's Reshade shaders. #💬lounge message

[exotic fog]

I appreciate that

@marble pond is liliums blackfloor fix needed for this game?

[gaunt comet]

Forge knows best

[ocean mesa]

Not really. Reno gives 2.2/2.4 options if desired

[next thistle]

are planet rings supposed to be pixelated to hell

[next thistle]

bHalfResMoments=0 helped

[next thistle]

@sturdy cloak i get a CTD with reno when enabling (well, disabling / setting false) this ini setting, but do not if reno is disabled. I can use liveini tool to modify this in the game at runtime without a crash while having reno. is it something you would be willing to debug?

0 vs 1, not sure why reno would care

[next thistle]

it only crashes when actually loading a save. main menu is fine. log doesn't look particularly helpful, but idk.

reverting to R11G11B10F from R16.. fixes it

[bitter hearth]

change your dxgi.dll to d3d12.dll

[gaunt comet]

d3d12

[bitter hearth]

you right mb

i am multitasking lol (fixed)

[next thistle]

Why tho

I mean definitely will try just wanna understand what that does

[bitter hearth]

Honestly no idea. This game does it for me as well. Not all games do but some do only with RenoDX.

I CTD anytime I open the overlay in Starfield unless I change that file.

[next thistle]

didn't end up helping.

its something with upgrades + this specific engine setting.

need some way to hook the game and set this setting only after load lul

[mental elm]

that's a nice night

[next thistle]

some people reported some colored outlines at one point, looks like cone response affects it

cone response 13 vs 60

this specific transparency effect in menu is added by engine fixes mod, but i think in combat or something there is something similar that can happen?

it was hard to catch though

[next thistle]

off vs psychov (slight tweaks) 😗 👌

[sturdy cloak]

Missing CAS shader. Devkit might show it

[exotic fog]

BTW - what did you set your sharpness to using RCAS?

[split river]

do most of you guys use sharpening?

I disable/turn it down to 0, for non-oversharpened look

[ocean mesa]

Depends entirely on resolution tbh. Less the better overall. Make sure to disable all in-game sharpening and sharpening already set in NVpanel/NVinspector.

[exotic fog]

Yeah I always do.

[fair igloo]

Just changed my DLL to d3d12. Any fix for loading saves?

[next thistle]

found one of the materials affected by this using nifskope. looks like there is a specific shader route called "effect", which "halfresmoments" may...affect

[next thistle]

ah yeah, just enable cas upscaling in game and reduce render res

engine must be enabling it programmatically sometimes?

i had dynamic res on by mistake as well

[thin parrot]

Does anyone have a weird flashlight behavior? It seems it doesn't illuminate near environment/objects/NPCs, but it's OK with far env/objects/NPCs
Screenshot exemples with on/off

Just tried without reno and it's the same "issue", sorry for bothering.
Anyway if someone has an idea about what could cause the issue, feel free to share 😄

[sturdy cloak]

Yeah and based on hardware. What GPU do you have?

[next thistle]

5090

[sturdy cloak]

new build in a second. nothing new, just core rewrite for stability.

edit: fps tank. back to formula

[sly bough]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-green-goblin-back-formula-angry-gif-22862347

anyways keep up the good work, the current build Im running seems is good for now

[sly bough]

dynamic res tho only kicks in when lower then 30 fps i think

[rugged jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-boy-comedy-chris-farley-stressed-upset-gif-16379051

[sturdy cloak]

maybe i shouldn't benchmark debug builds

yeah...

idk, rebuilt

somebody let me know if it's better or worse. but for sure, try to crash it (XeFG doesn't count)

[steady harbor]

I'm running the previous build and have only 2 issues: 16 bit still doesn't work (AMD I suppose) and image spaces like aurora rainbow effect and docking monochrome are gone.

Otherwise I enjoy it, primarily use it for 10 bit cuz it also reduces the banding, and HDR

[sturdy cloak]

i could side-upgrade to rgb9e5 which works on AMD and is better for banding. will try to remember

[steady harbor]

Thank you!

[rugged jungle]

FWIW, i am hanging after launching the game with this addon file with SFSE. rolling back to the pinned from 4/24 boots with no issues

[glossy vessel]

I think something is wrong. All the colours are washed out. It’s like there’s no HDR at all

[exotic fog]

yeah somethings wrong, all colors are washed out with this update @sturdy cloak

[exotic fog]

i dont hang but the colors are all washed out

[glossy vessel]

wtf. I reverted back to the previous version and now the colours are all messed up..

But uninstalling and reinstalling reshade with pinned Reno has made it return to normal

[exotic fog]

weird. reverting to previous worked. and for hell of it, i went with the latest again and its washed out colors still

[turbid cloak]

ahhh the one dev i dont want to see updates from...

[stray perch]

oh god why.... i was almost done setting my mods up

[sturdy cloak]

one more rebuild

[sturdy cloak]

rebuilt, should be faster and more stable

[exotic fog]

does this also fix the washed out colors the prior one displayed?

[sturdy cloak]

no idea

never had that issue

[exotic fog]

weird a few of us commented on it here. ill check in a bit

@sturdy cloak yeah it fixes it. ty. @glossy vessel

[ocean mesa]

No issues with the new build. Does feel faster

[glossy vessel]

New build working well for new now. No more washed out colours, looks good

[tacit sapphire]

What do you guys use for Starfield, HDR or Psycho?

I generally like how Psycho looks more than HDR but the blacks are soo dark, even on daytime

[sturdy cloak]

turn off gamma correction

probably don't need it

also gamma correction off is technically more accurate

[rugged jungle]

picked up SF again beacuse i saw there was a reno for it, blacks are ok with me and i feel like its SLIGHTLY undersaturated but otherwise 👍

[split river]

psycho, it's better in most scenarios

[split river]

the beauty of RenoDX is that you have full control with the sliders

you can always bump up saturation to your taste

[thin parrot]

Curious, wdym by psycho?

[sturdy cloak]

PsychoV tonemapper+eyeadaptation

[thin parrot]

lol When I look up on google I only find result about reno you're too famous 😄

aaaaah but it's a tonemapper choice inside reno !!

[sturdy cloak]

it's only in RenoDX afaik (since i wrote it)

[thin parrot]

I don't have it in my version.. is this something you added recently?

[sturdy cloak]

use pinned

[thin parrot]

OK thanks, will try it! Although I was quite satisfied with previous version ❤️

[split river]

the latest one is even better

[thin parrot]

Great!!

[thin parrot]

Just updated to pinned version, I have huge issues when I'm in the game.. it's like the view is kind of... frozen? My framerate/frametime stays fine, but I see NPCs like flickering/frozen, very weird

[thin parrot]

Have you seen that before?

[sturdy cloak]

did you enable the frame generation options?

[thin parrot]

No! Looking at the new settings I've just seen that right now! Restarting with it enabled.
Does this mean I can now upgrade the dll to newer than 3.8.1?

[sturdy cloak]

yes

supports new dlssfg

[thin parrot]

Oh great! I can also set the override from Nvidia App? Instead of upgrading the game folder dll?

[sturdy cloak]

i think you have to, replace the files in the folder

[thin parrot]

Mmm my game is not even starting anymore, now that I've enabled FG in reno settings 🤷

02:06:11:175 [38640] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::resource::upgrade::OnInitDevice(2982973218536, api: d3d12)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnInitDevice(0x000002b6870f1ee8, native: 0x000002b6870c96d0)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] mods::shader::OnInitDevice(2982973218536)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] utils::shader::OnDestroyDevice(2982973218536)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] utils::resource::upgrade::OnDestroyDevice(2982973218536)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] mods::swapchain::OnDestroyDevice(2982973218536)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | [RenoDX] mods::shader::OnDestroyDevice(2982973218536)
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | Unloading add-on "RenoDX" ...
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | Unregistered add-on "RenoDX".
02:06:11:175 [38640] | INFO  | ResourceUtil detached.
02:06:21:336 [38640] | INFO  | Redirecting RegisterClassA(lpWndClass = 000000F14356F0F0 { "Starfield", style = 0 }) ...
02:06:21:337 [38640] | INFO  | > Adding 'CS_OWNDC' window class style flag to "Starfield".

[sturdy cloak]

more log, probably says you didn't enable dll load from main

i don't hard require the option just in case somebody has some crazy setup, but it's easily missed

then you can't get back in game

[thin parrot]

how do I enable dll load from main?

[sturdy cloak]

02:06:10:972 [38640] | WARN | [RenoDX] renodx-starfield.addon64 is not listed in ADDON.LoadFromDllMain and sl.interposer.dll is already loaded. renodx-starfield.addon64 is not listed in ADDON.LoadFromDllMain, so early DLSS FG hooks may have been missed unless ReShade was loaded through another early path.

open reshade.ini and set...

[ADDON]
DisabledAddons=Generic Depth,Effect Runtime Sync
LoadFromDllMain=renodx-starfield.addon64

might as well disable the other effects as well

[thin parrot]

Yes, starting! Thanks a bunch!

Was this line supposed to be set manually or did I miss something?

[sturdy cloak]

you should missed a button that appeared under it showing to add the line, and below that asking you to restart

but i can double check

[thin parrot]

Woaw Psycho is punchy, not used to it lol

[sturdy cloak]

the psychov preset is set to match vanilla contrast + exposure

just handles colors differently

psychov is probably the best thing i've done so far, tbh

so far, at least

kinda fell into just being a good, full replacement for a lot of tonemappers

[thin parrot]

looks great indeed!! It's just quite different than my previous profile, but it seems to be doing great! atm i'm in a space station, quite dark, but i can't wait to test it in more environments.
thanks for the update, and the help ❤️

oh and I'm going to update my dllsg dll 😄
And I see there is a FSR3 setting too? Maaan my friend's going to be happy 😄

[mental elm]

dumb question when you say upgrading the DLL do you mean for like enabling the new dynamic mfg

[inland wagon]

The new version is not playing nice with Display Commander with the FG support enabled.

Game starts up to a black screen but pretty much instantly falls back to desktop

[inland wagon]

Easiest way around it currently seems to be just removing Display Commander unfortunately

[mental elm]

ok so i swapped the dlls and it's working now, getting over 430 fps with practically same latency as 2x which is nice. i think my generation factor/max frame count settings are off though, could anyone confirm? my monitor is 480hz

it's just working™ alongside reno it's kind of surreal that it worked for me

[split river]

a question for the 50 series folks:
how do you feel about 6x framegen when compared to 2x framgen?

[next thistle]

does discord suddenly hate jpeg xl

off / hdr look / psychov

i thought it was interesting how much that light was turning white, but its way brighter with psychov...so makes sense

[next thistle]

@sturdy cloak lut scaling 50 vs 100. looking at that secondary "ring" around the green. if i lower the cone response a few below 50 it also goes away.

but in the 2nd pic it kind of bands and has a band and goes (brighter, darker, brighter, briiiiiight)

the outer (bright) edge of the dark band follows gamut expansion mayhaps?

lowered cone response a bit so the dark band spread, yellow starts right about where it brightens on the outer edge

cone resp 60

follows saturation slider as well

[mental elm]

TBH in my minimal testing in starfield it feels basically the same and I'm mega sensitive to input latency

I use balanced dlss tho preset m

if I put up to quality it feels slightly heavier but no big deal

I'm around 90 pre frame gen at the most demanding bits I think

[split river]

what about the visual quality though?

artifcating amount, smoothness?

[mental elm]

haven't noticed any hitching. i won't say there's no artifacts since there will be even if i don't notice, but if it's any worse i can't tell personally. i haven't been pixel peeping though

[split river]

good to hear, thanks

[mental elm]

oh, i did have to select preset a for fg otherwise i had those deep fried artifacts on edges

[split river]

yeah, preset B stands for Broken in Starfield

for some reason

[mental elm]

it won't really blow you away but it's nice to have anyway i guess

[split river]

so you never feel any reason to not use 6x and use 2x instead when both are available and work okay?

[mental elm]

yeah at least not in starfield

haven't tried anything else

[eager palm]

I'd say that heavily depends on your refresh rate and performance target

[thin parrot]

Steam capture (screenshot and video) makes the game CTD with the latest reno addon (this was not an issue with the previous one)
@sturdy cloak would you have any idea what could cause that?

[mental elm]

i've had this issue for a few versions but thought it might have been down to the modlist i've been playing with, since it said steam overlay may no longer work

though it works for me, just the screenshot causes ctd

[thin parrot]

Nope, this is reno, disabling it get rids of the issue.
The crash only occurs if screenshot/recording is started in game windows (no issue in inventory and other UI screens)

[steady harbor]

Doesn't happen to me on the latest build, and it's the only way I make screenshots

So might be related to a particular setting you have on

[dawn shuttle]

What solution do you guys use for the LUTs in this game? RenoDX sliders? LUT mod? Both?

[gaunt comet]

The LUTs are crucial for the games look. Like Mars isn’t actually red, the red comes from the LUT

So vanilla LUTs for sure

[thin parrot]

Weird. Are you using Psycho preset? Do you have framegen?

[steady harbor]

I don't use a preset, but I use PsychoV Tone Mapper. No, I don't use frame gen

[thin parrot]

Jeez even bringing RTSS overlay now makes the game CTD (not systematic apparently, just got it once)

This is what I have in my log at the time I F12 :

19:19:22:949 [34208] | WARN  | Skipping D3D11on12 device because it was created without a proxy Direct3D 12 device.
19:19:22:949 [34208] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 000000BC2F8FE870) ...
19:19:22:950 [34208] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory4::EnumAdapterByLuid(this = 000002ACB12A2710, AdapterLuid = 1299a, riid = {7ABB6563-02BC-47C4-8EF9-ACC4795EDBCF}, ppvAdapter = 000000BC2F8FE8A8) ...

[dawn shuttle]

Do you make any adjustments to them via the RenoDX sliders?

[thin parrot]

Very strange... Disabling FG makes CTDs go away while F12. Enabling it again and still OK. But after a restart with FG activated, CTDs again while F12.
And why do I have 120fps without FG, and 180 with? Is it not supposed to double framerate?

[gaunt comet]

i like the game washed out, so I use lut scaling on a lower setting

but I haven't used the mod since before it was overhauled

[floral sluice]

Am I missing something here? I have DLSS overriden to Preset K through NVPI and the latest pinned version of RenoDX. Running latest Nvidia Studio Drivers 596.36. This didn't happen to me with the older version of RenoDX

[exotic fog]

How come K and not L or M?

[floral sluice]

I run DLAA at 1440p. On a 4080 there's a pretty big performance regression when using DLSS 4.5 with DLAA.

The problem went away when I switched over to no upscaling. I also have an issue when using DLSS 4 where the game won't launch if you upgrade the render pipeline to 16bit. It works when using DLSS 4.5 for whatever reason. Maybe this has to do with 4.5 having a higher dynamic range?

[misty sapphire]

A VRAM memory leak opening/closing inventory too.

[dawn shuttle]

This drove me crazy until someone suggested using Preset K to fix the memory leak. It really does fix it

[misty sapphire]

I hope it gets resolved, L/M presets look much clearer in motion

[left halo]

I still don't experience any issues with Preset L/M and have yet to experience any memory leaks.

[exotic fog]

with L and or M involved you're saying? I may try K if thats the case. where was this reported?

[split river]

yes
here, many times

[split river]

and we are still yet to determine what could be making the difference, some people have the VRAM leak, some don't, on seemingly identical setups

[dawn shuttle]

Anyone seen this before? Blue/red outlines when using crafting benches on the RenoDX tone mapper with any kind of upscaling enabled. Vanilla tonemapper doesn't have this issue and native res doesn't either. I need to use upscaling however. I'm on the latest version of everything.

[split river]

I believe everyone has these

[sturdy cloak]

It's CAS. I can't reproduce

[split river]

is there a way to completely disable CAS and verify that it is fully disabled?

because I removed/dialed it to 0 everywhere I've seen and still get these artifacts

[sturdy cloak]

Cas auto enables on the menu screens

[split river]

ah, this explains

maybe some .ini tweak could help...

[dawn shuttle]

I did notice that using the Balanced preset seems to eliminate the issue? Does that provide any more clues? And can anyone else check on their end if that is true for them?

[split river]

I'll try it later today

[split river]

same

weirdly it solves the issue

[split river]

have you been testing it with DLSS Balanced by any chance?

[thin parrot]

@sturdy cloak Would you have an idea about this issue? I can't no longer use steam screenshot and record, makes the game crash instantly if I triggered them when I'm not in a UI menu like inventory. Had to go back to an april version 🙁

[sturdy cloak]

Not really. Overlays are rarely supported

And ReShade takes HDR screenshots

[thin parrot]

Yeah but no videos.. and screenshots are too big to share on discord and stuff..

[sturdy cloak]

This server has 250mb but yeah.

Generally things might start working as RenoDX improves

Dx12 is very rough and Starfield especially

Been diagnosing random crashes for about 2 weeks

Also found some ReShade bugs but worked around them

[thin parrot]

Thanks for all the great work, the world is a little bit better thanks to your reno magic

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah pretty weird. Looks like they disabled the CAS for balanced only. Doesn't make sense but I'll take it!

[exotic fog]

man... i dont knowe what it is but new atlantis kills my performance to like sub 10 FPS... every other area in the game is fine. its so weird. 7850X3D, 32gb ram, 4070ti

[steady harbor]

Possibly you have some unpacked textures?
Doesn't happen to me, I have around 200 mods.
7800X3D, 64gb RAM and 7900XTX. Can't say my VRAM is ever filled up.

Starfield is less sensitive to unpacked textures than FO4 was, but still much more than Skyrim

[sturdy cloak]

Does it change if you select Off? That would mean shader cost

[sturdy cloak]

starfield got an update

https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/23038534/

[sturdy cloak]

so what config shows it?

[split river]

Performance definitely does

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, still can't reproduce

[split river]

Quality and DLAA too iirc, but I didn't test those recently, only Balanced and Performance

[sturdy cloak]

no issues on DLAA either

[split river]

the only differences are that I have m*tion blur and VRS disabled

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, can't reproduce at all

[split river]

really interesting

feels like that VRAM leak issue that some people just don't have

[sturdy cloak]

i have no ini mods or anything

[split river]

I don't have any lengthy .ini tweaks, only mouse input adjustments and 90 degree FOV

but iirc it was present even before I applied them

I already tried verifying steam files and reseting everything

nvidia profiles, shader caches, removing all mods

[sturdy cloak]

the only thing really is to use devkit and dump the shader

maybe it's location dependent

[split river]

I've seen the same red outlines when using crafting stations in various places

interiors, exteriors, on ships in space

[next thistle]

it depends on the ambient lighting to a degree

i can try and get the shader with devkit if you can give me instructions

i know how to install it and disable / enable things

but thas it

[sturdy cloak]

stashing here before i break it again

[sturdy cloak]

i feel like i'm getting weird dips to black i wasn't getting before

[woven comet]

this is new one?

[thin parrot]

Tested : I systematically have a stutter every 10 sec with this one.
Also FYI, Steam screen capture is still CTDing the game

11:24:05:504 [24188] | WARN  | Skipping D3D11on12 device because it was created without a proxy Direct3D 12 device.
11:24:05:504 [24188] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 00000058180FE7C0) ...
11:24:05:504 [24188] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory4::EnumAdapterByLuid(this = 0000025072080C30, AdapterLuid = 12bf9, riid = {7ABB6563-02BC-47C4-8EF9-ACC4795EDBCF}, ppvAdapter = 00000058180FE7F8) ...

Nevermind me, I also have this 10 sec periodic stutter with the april version (the one before PsychoV) !

[ocean mesa]

Where at? Are you referring to the eye adaptation? Spent a half hour with that build last night and it didn't seem much different than the previous.

[sturdy cloak]

just standing still, in neon and in atlantis

[ocean mesa]

Odd. Was on Atlantis the last 10min or so of my session last night and didn't notice anything out of the normal. Will see if I can replicate.

Was there anything changed in this build or was it just a refactor?

[sturdy cloak]

internal, core stuff to try to get it faster/smoother/stabler

[gaunt comet]

https://tenor.com/view/elliot-stabler-chris-meloni-svu-law-and-order-svu-xstarlesscityx-gif-23637362

[smoky flume]

I like psychov, but it feels like you lose a lot of detail in trees etc in atlantis. They become so dark, without gammar correction as well

sometimes u gain more detail though so i guess its a hard thing to balance

[sturdy cloak]

Gamma Correction is better off tbh with PsychoV. Atlantis has a big bright sky with no bounce lighting to illuminate the trees. You might have to bump max brightness all the way up for it to make sense, since the sky is so bright

Also their dark green trees iirc. So not a great mix

[fresh latch]

Is the fix for the DLSSFG still required? I have a weird effect every time I move the mouse.

[eager palm]

It's built in you just have to enable it in the menu

[fresh latch]

What could explain the flickering when i move the mouse with the framegen ?
edit: it's 310.6 dlss issue , no issue with 310.5.3

[exotic fog]

strange i dont have that issue. 4070ti latest drivers

[split river]

it's preset B issue

301.6 FG preset A works fine

you can enforce it through NVPI

[thin parrot]

Is this normal that "LUT scaling" slider only changes image in UIs, not in game?

[split river]

no, it should change in game look

maybe try different area?

[sturdy cloak]

almost all LUTs have their range reduced. unless you modded the LUTs

[thin parrot]

I'm in the key, I'll test somewhere else later and will report back

[thin parrot]

nope nothing modded (well not the LUTs)
but I'm not on the latest reno version (I'm on a early april version)

Same in UC Vigilance :

[thin parrot]

Tested in Suvorov ground, no difference
In space on pilot seat, only ship cockpit element get a difference
In New Atlantis prison (I had contraband on me 😄 ), no difference
In New Atlantis ground: difference

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, so it's working. just not all areas have squished luts

i think FSR3 and Render Upgrade on Medium is instant crash for me, always?

[sturdy cloak]

update inbound

modded with hdr10 + rgba16f vs unmodded

Changes:

• Stability fixes
• Performance boost
• RGB9E5 support for AMD

[glossy vessel]

The screen dimmed after opening a menu and I needed to restart to fix. Ill keep testing

Edit: no other permanent dimming bug encountered again after a few more hours play

[sturdy cloak]

is this with perceptual eye adaptation?

[steady harbor]

Sadly RGB9E5 doesn't work either. I don't have FSR/FG on

[exotic fog]

@sturdy cloak I played several hours with latest reno and it's perfect. ty

[thin parrot]

Still crashing when F12 🥺

20:46:48:604 [ 9228] | WARN  | Skipping D3D11on12 device because it was created without a proxy Direct3D 12 device.
20:46:48:604 [ 9228] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 000000B8781FE4A0) ...
20:46:48:604 [ 9228] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory4::EnumAdapterByLuid(this = 00000240177C4410, AdapterLuid = 12cd6, riid = {7ABB6563-02BC-47C4-8EF9-ACC4795EDBCF}, ppvAdapter = 000000B8781FE4D8) ...

[glossy vessel]

Yes.

[split river]

weirdly I get "pulsating" EA with this one

like the entire picture gets slightly darker each 10 seconds or so as if trying to adapt to a brightness change and then it brightens back up gradually and quickly

this happens in fully static scenarios and even in inventory

I will keep testing

[sturdy cloak]

debugging now. something changed to cause it to not run, and when it runs, it starts with no history

hmm, even vanilla adaptation stops running

when i alt tab, it's back

[sturdy cloak]

maybe fixed

• Clear Eye Adaptation Histogram every frame

[sturdy cloak]

@split river for testing^

[sturdy cloak]

i don't really have way to test rgb9e5

[split river]

finally got time to test - everything works good now

looks great, performance is better than before

[glossy vessel]

all of a sudden, reno crashes starfield upon startup. If I remove reno, stafield starts with reshade, but with reno its a no go.

it was working yesterday, and now its not

i doubt its a problem with reno itself

but i cant figure out why the hell this happened

it was working yesterday ffs

[sturdy cloak]

On save file load or on game boot? Also fsr3 enabled?

[glossy vessel]

Game boot. I have been using DLSS.

[sturdy cloak]

Can you send the reshade.log of when it fails?

[steady harbor]

No worries! I'm very grateful that you tried adding it!

[glossy vessel]

im doing a fresh install of the game and mods. ill let you know if its still an issue

[sturdy cloak]

Fixed Vanilla slope matching in PsychoV

[thin parrot]

@sturdy cloak are you planning to investigate why reno + dlssfg produces a CTD when steam F12, since post april versions?
If you need anything to help I'm here, i reproduce this systematically since a few versions (the one working is from april 9th)

[sturdy cloak]

Even with latest^? Does it crash when doing f12 from main menu, before loading a save?

[sturdy cloak]

Even with latest^? Does it crash when doing f12 from main menu, before loading a save?

[thin parrot]

Yes even with the one you've just posted
I haven't tested that, I can tell it only crashes when in the live game view, but doesn't crash when in an UI like inventory. I'll try in the main menu before loading!

Nope, it doesn't crash from the main menu

Oh... this is so weird.. i've started the game, F12 (ok), loaded the game, F12 during the loading (ok), got to ingame, went to tab menu, F12 (ok), went back to ingame, F12 --> ok!?!

And now F12 doesnt't CTD anymore, in this session at least

OK, I have 2 specific systematic scenarios :

1. If I F12 for the 1st time from the game view --> CTD
2. If I F12 in the tab menu view (I get logs1) I get no crash, and from now on I can F12 in the game view without issue (logs2)

Logs1 :

16:10:53:578 [28824] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory::EnumAdapters(this = 000001DE355286F0, Adapter = 0, ppAdapter = 00000026209FF510) ...
16:10:53:810 [ 2792] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory1(riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 0000002620CFF358) ...
16:10:53:810 [ 2792] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory::EnumAdapters(this = 000001DDD081B9C0, Adapter = 0, ppAdapter = 0000002620CFF350) ...
16:10:53:973 [27772] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory1(riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 00000026211FF0F8) ...
16:10:53:975 [27772] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory::EnumAdapters(this = 000001DE1A1D6860, Adapter = 0, ppAdapter = 00000026211FF0F0) ...```

Logs2 :
```16:11:03:744 [17000] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 0000002623DFCE60) ...```

I'll take this workaround!

Game brightness isn't set anymore according to Peak brightness?

[sturdy cloak]

i don't understand what you mean

[thin parrot]

With previous version when I was setting Peak at 450 it was setting Game at 110, now it stays at 203

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, that was removed. was too confusing, tbh

[thin parrot]

I'm comparing Psycho and HDRlook presets, I have the feeling Psycho is not better, at least in this scene.. any thoughts?

[sturdy cloak]

psychov had a stronger cone contrast when matching vanilla before. at 50 it should basically match vanilla now

so you can bump psychov cone contrast another 10 units or so to get it like before

60 on psychov setting is basically a random number i picked

Cone Contrast is the magic "make game look better" slider

instead of messing all sorts of contrast/highlights/shadows/blowout/saturation that HDR Look preset did

[split river]

I noticed some short rapid flickering happening rarely with this version

slight full frame brightness changes

like EA is bugging out a little bit

[sturdy cloak]

i didn't touch EA, but will try to reproduce

[split river]

maybe it's not EA, idk

it doesn't do it gradually

so probably it's not

it's quite hard to catch this bug, happens indeed quite rarely and for short periods

[thin parrot]

I noticed that too, but I think it's coming from the game.. weird, like explosion or thunder flashes but strange. I don't know if it could be this on your side

[thin parrot]

OK thanks I'll play with the slider

[thin parrot]

Maybe 65 max, but higher, contrast is too high and I loose info in highlights.
On this scene at least, the other preset is better imo. Or I need to play with other sliders, but there's too much 😄
I think I'll stick with hdrlook!

[split river]

nah, I definitely didn't have anything like that on any of the previous versions

[sturdy cloak]

tbh, i don't know if 450 nits is going to be enough for psychov. somethings end up blowing out early because of range limitation. it's really noticeable with the reliant medical sign in Neon. just white with limited range

i plan on building another slider for psychov that controls compression, so it doesn't go to white as fast

[thin parrot]

Yeah when switching from console gaming to PC gaming I've bought a great UW screen (Corsair 34WQHD240-C) but peak brightness is very low :S

[split river]

got some heavy case of this new flickering in the process of trading with ryujin neuroamp seller in Neon (or it got worse/I just noticed it at that moment), not sure what triggered it, but it persists, even in inventory

opening scanner pauses this bug

it comes back when I exist the scanner

resetting Reno settings made it stop for good (but I reset them right after evey update so it will come back for sure)

@sturdy cloak I hope this helps investigation

[frigid saffron]

@sturdy cloak when in game with renodx the starfield game crash to desktop if i press STEAM SCREENSHOT KEY and i must press on main menu for the first time.

If I forget to press the screenshot button on the main menu the first time and do it directly from the game it crashes brutally and closes without giving any errors!

I'm wondering if it's possible to fix the problem. Thank you so much!

[thin parrot]

Known issue, we're 2 at least having it (I feel less alone now!) #1462958679006642207 message

[split river]

@sturdy cloak looks like the bug is directly related to switching SDR EOTF emulation from 2.2 to Off

[sturdy cloak]

Is it not VRR flicker?

[split river]

no, I don't use VRR specifically because I hate VRR flicker

it does look a bit like it though

but happens when my FPS is way above my refresh rate too, not only when it's lower

[sturdy cloak]

Maybe I forgot a setting with swapchain/render syncing. I'll look

[sturdy cloak]

would also be useful to know if lilium's analysis shaders catch the flicker

[split river]

will try to catch

[sturdy cloak]

I'll hopefully be pushing some final clean up code tomorrow. Not much to trim anymore. All the tests seem done. Next is PsychoV 20

[sturdy cloak]

this is with DLSSFG support On or Off?

[sturdy cloak]

steam screenshot crash might be fixed now. i'm just looking into when the game does a full black screen to transition from game/menu it does a full blowup to white

[sturdy cloak]

couldn't fix that, but trying to inject a screenshot fix

[sturdy cloak]

fixed screenshots

(both steam and photomode)

[sturdy cloak]

Fixed crash on steam screenshot, fixed photomode black screen

[thin parrot]

Still crashing for me

[sturdy cloak]

does photomode work at least?

[thin parrot]

It was already working with previous versions

What wasn't working exactly?

[sturdy cloak]

it was black

it's never worked

[thin parrot]

mmm for me it worked but maybe I was with the april version (pre-psycho)
Let me check

[sturdy cloak]

nope

never worked

not even in Starfield Luma until it was forced to work via memory function hijacking

[thin parrot]

when you say black, what is black?

[sturdy cloak]

when you look at the gallery it would be black

because RenoDX never writes to the 8bit sdr texture

[thin parrot]

oh ok, I use photo mode but don't trigger screenshot with it. I'll check that at once

[sturdy cloak]

i'm not sure i was able to reproduce the crash though. just noticed that it was trying to do DLSSfix on the Steam overlay DXGIFactory

16:11:03:744 [17000] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 0000002623DFCE60) ...

0x80000000 is invalid so it should bypass it now

i'm presuming it only crashed with dlssfg fix on?

[thin parrot]

yup, working now, thanks!!

[thin parrot]

yes, no crashing if disabling framegen.

[thin parrot]

Here are the 4 log lines when crashing :

03:03:41:042 [33628] | WARN  | Skipping D3D11on12 device because it was created without a proxy Direct3D 12 device.
03:03:41:042 [33628] | INFO  | Redirecting CreateDXGIFactory2(Flags = 0x80000000, riid = {1BC6EA02-EF36-464F-BF0C-21CA39E5168A}, ppFactory = 000000BF928FEA10) ...
03:03:41:042 [33628] | INFO  | Redirecting IDXGIFactory4::EnumAdapterByLuid(this = 0000025A246430A0, AdapterLuid = 12db4, riid = {7ABB6563-02BC-47C4-8EF9-ACC4795EDBCF}, ppvAdapter = 000000BF928FEA48) ...

[sturdy cloak]

can you try this. it has testing stuff, but should be another method for avoid the crash at least

[thin parrot]

Yes no crash with this one!

[sturdy cloak]

i can push this fix to the repo and you can grab the cleaner one there once it compiles

[thin parrot]

And I've just found out game uses photos from gallery as loading screens, neat 😄

[thin parrot]

Just to be sure, you didn't push it yet right? Because I've just installed the one from the sticky link (https://clshortfuse.github.io/renodx/renodx-starfield.addon64) and I still got the F12 crash

[sturdy cloak]

Hmm, I did, you can also grab directly from GitHub releases snapshot in case you're hitting some sort of browser cache

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases

[thin parrot]

Yeah I have the same file (checked with a sha-256). So maybe there was a context yesterday when I said it was working with the test build.
Because before F12, I went to reshade/reno overlay to switch to my usual settings, closed reshade overlay, and F12.
Today with the final build I directly F12 when entering game.
I'll try again and let you know

[thin parrot]

@sturdy cloak I'm loosing my mind here.. I've just made 5 tries, with latest build and yesterday test build, putting myself back in the exact same context (starting from this one #1462958679006642207 message), doing exactly what I did yesterday (going into overlay to switch to PsychoV20 preset because with the test build, no tonemapper was selected), and now I have also a F12 crash.
So I guess the one time it worked yesterday wasn't enough :S

I thought it was because with your test build, as I had these settings, it didn't crash because I changed tonemapper, but no

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, none of that would matter tbh