Starfield

[sturdy cloak]

just imagine darker in the hdr version

i did read something about clouds, but i guess i wouldn't have known they weren't there. though i think they're randomized, so could also be bad reporting, where you have clouds one time, set the ini, and load again and they're gone. but that's just from restarting the game

[thin parrot]

Are reshade screenshot PNGs in HDR? When I look at them on my comp they are OK, but when I post them (ibb.co) they are meh https://ibb.co/tT2DkVJt

[sturdy cloak]

Ibb.co might bork them. ReShade png has official HDR implementation (cICP) which is BT2020 PQ. It also includes a fallback for viewing in SDR (ICC) to do BT2020 PQ to SRGB iirc.

Servers, when they compress, could end up stripping it.

[woven comet]

haha sorry for the quality xD...

this problem appears when i put the ui brightness low

[thin parrot]

Yeah that's surely it. I end up using Steam screenshots. Until then I was using Gamebar, but screens are a bit dimmer with the latter.
If anyone know a good img upload service that can handle reshade PNGs, feel free to share !

[thin parrot]

Do you have frame gen activated? And do you use a recent nvidia dlssg version? Because the game + reno will flicker on highlights if dlssg version is earlier than 3.8.1

[woven comet]

yes frame activate on game

[woven comet]

dont know what dlssg i use xD... newbie on this xD

[thin parrot]

If you don't, you probably use the one that comes with the game 3.5 so there should not be any flickering issue.
That might be something else.
I tried 😄

[woven comet]

yes is 3.5

[glossy vessel]

I can’t get 3.5 or up to work without flicker, from a fresh install.

Sometimes, the menu will say frame-gen is on, and indeed there is no flicker, however the frame rate is terrible, and frame-gen isn’t working despite being “on”.
The times where the frame rate is actual smooth, and frame-gen actually working, is when there’s flicker, even on 3.5.
The menu lies, sometimes frame-gen doesn’t engage despite being “on”.
I don’t know why or how this happens

[thin parrot]

Are you sure you're using the 3.5 version? Do you have a DLSS hud displaying the version to make sure of what's used?

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\NGXCore]
"ShowDlssIndicator"=dword:00000400

[glossy vessel]

Yes. I re-installed, and have verified files numerous times. I can see is 3.5 under its properties. I also use DLSS Swapper to try different versions.

I’ll try using hud when I get back home from work, and I’ll post a picture

[eager palm]

Frame gen not activating is just something with the game I think, even with no mods or anything installed it sometimes just fails to engage and the game has to be restarted for it to kick in

I think they might have implemented it in a not so standard way because I don't know any other games where that's an issue

[glossy vessel]

Yep, that’s what I’m thinking. So I’m not sure about the people saying that they get no flicker with 3.5, as frame-gen may not be actually active.
I hope I’m wrong about that, and it’s something local to me. If it is just me, then what the hell

[eager palm]

I wouldn't know, I'm holding off for now because I want to be able to use 3x frame gen

[next thistle]

does anyone have the lastest build? github just rate limited me 😢

ah clear cookies fixed

[main trail]

So is turning off frame gen the only way to stop the flickering?

[turbid cloak]

use the 3.5 framegen that's bundled in with base game instead

[glossy vessel]

For me, yes. Even with 3.5.

Hope you have better luck.

[narrow niche]

is anyone else getting pretty consistent frametime spikes or is my game just bugging

so weirdly reloading a save from dying or just quick loading makes the game stutter but loading it from the main menu doesn't

[plush topaz]

Does anyone know why adding rendox and reshade alongside optiscaler using dlssg to xefg causes my game to crash on start?

[woven comet]

i have flickering on 3.5.. update to the lastest with swapper and no flickering anymore? xD weird..

and i put on nvidia panel to force recomended... flickering... only when i swap? ))=?? xDD

[glossy vessel]

I couldn't get the indicator to work for me

Im doing this right, i think, but yeah no indicator

[glossy vessel]

Hopefully it sticks for you!

[eager palm]

Instead of messing around in the registry, you can download dlss swapper and just enable it in the settings

[glossy vessel]

Ive done that. Tried 3.5 and 3.81...every one of them flickers

[woven comet]

change dlls fg to the lastest and test it XD

[glossy vessel]

i have numerous times, but ill try again

[eager palm]

No I mean to enable the indicator

[glossy vessel]

oh right, sorry i didn't realise that could be done. Ill have a look now

[eager palm]

Look for this in settings

[glossy vessel]

ok i think i might be too dumb for this. So as you can see my DLSS Swapper settings, I have v310.6 for DLSS, and v3.5 for Frame gen.

The indicator shows im running v310.6

Am i supposed to be running v3.5 for both DLSS and also Frame Gen?

anyway, im done messing around with this lol. Im just gonna play the game. Enjoy all

[eager palm]

The frame gen and upscaling dlls are totally independent, you don't have to match them

If you're having the latest frame gen forced you need to make sure that you don't have any frame gen overrides set in the nvidia control panel, anything other than use 3d app settings will force the latest dll at driver level

[glossy vessel]

i currently have it set like this, so i think im good?

[eager palm]

No you have frame gen set to force preset b

[glossy vessel]

Damn! Thanks for pointing that out. Ill give that a whirl

[glossy vessel]

omg. That's what the problem was. Removed Force Preset B in NVIDIA APP -> tested running v3.81 -> and now Frame Gen works without flicker! Sorry for wasting everyone's time. And thanks so much @eager palm - you legend.

[eager palm]

Glad it's working 🙏

[glossy vessel]

welp. Spoke to soon. Flicker is still there with 3.81 and 3.5. lol. Anyway, I'm just gonna leave fg off. Thanks again.

[split river]

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/2407

https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/758

are these mods irrelevant now?

or they still work and are beneficial to use with RenoDX?

[lone jewel]

They're both made by ShortFuse so they're not needed with RenoDX anymore.

[distant sleet]

Does DLSS Preset L trigger the VRAM memory leak bug?

[split river]

how to make RenoDX work with DLSS Frame Generation (regular x2, not multi)?

I tried downloading the latest builds of RenoDX Starfield 64 and DLSS Fix but it doesn't seem to work, what I could do wrong?

[lone jewel]

No need for DLSS Fix if you just want x 2 FG.

[split river]

thank you, that was the problem 😅

[radiant yarrow]

Yes and preset M too

[cursive wind]

Apparently but I've been playing on preset L for a dozen hours or so without crashes.

[split river]

same, although it indeed hogs all the VRAM

[turbid cloak]

I tried using 3.8.1 for SR and FG but it for some reason ate up a lot of my framerate, going down from 140 to ~ 90 ish FPS

so I'm just sticking to 3.5

I didnt get flickering though using it, and I'm not using DLSSFix

[split river]

does anyone else get red outlines when using workbenches and stuff?

[glossy vessel]

Yes

[split river]

is there a fix for that? or Reno needs to be updated

[glossy vessel]

No fix that I know of. Not sure if is actually Reno related. I think it’s being looked in to

[left halo]

I've not experienced any VRAM memory leak using Preset M. Game usually hovers around 7 to 9 GB on my 5070 Ti and hasn't come close to maxing out.

[split river]

interesting, did you check with DLSS overlay that preset M correctly applies?

with either M or L all my 24 gigs of VRAM get filled pretty fast

[eager palm]

I've been using M and not had any vram issues

[misty sapphire]

Might be more to it than just 5xxx card + L or M because I absolutely get it on my 5080

[whole creek]

Anyone else experience crash while using RenoDX? Installed everything as usual, once I hit "Continue" on main screen game hangs up

[narrow niche]

if ur running fsr or xess it might be that

[whole creek]

Honestly it was with DLSS, but even with everything regarding upscaling or frame generation turned off it acts same. Once continue is pressed game locks up and freezes

[narrow niche]

no other mods?

[silent granite]

anybody know why my screenshoots (taken with win printscreen) look very bright and incorrect and how to fix that?

[narrow niche]

If you're using it to take screenshots just use reshade it can take HDR screenshots

[silent granite]

thanks

[plush topaz]

Yeah i'm getting this exact same issue. As soon as i enable frame gen it crashes. with frame gen off it doesn't.

[whole creek]

Interesting, so for you it's FG related. I tried launching game without FG, and it still crashes when reno is present. I have DLSS upgrade Proton argument enabled tough, maybe that somehow messes it up.

P.S.
Sorry should have mentioned it, trying to run on Linux

[plush topaz]

Yeah i'm running a few mods too but they work fine with fg on without renodx so i don't know what's going on

[narrow niche]

Check Ur FG version, it's a bit funny with changing versions, the stock game one is your best bet

3.5 by default I think off the top of my head

[plush topaz]

Where do i check the version?

[whole creek]

Shouldn't it still work with dlss and fg disabled?

[narrow niche]

Can check a few ways. If you've got any over rides on try and turn them off or can use DLSS indicator to check, can just use DLSS Swapper or turn it on manually, could probably also do it through profile inspector

[narrow niche]

I'd presume so but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[whole creek]

Indeed, Bethesda after all 😅 I'm still struggling with gamepad support, as it picks up my wireless keyboard, and disables gamepad for some reason. If keyboard is off, works fine 😆

[whole creek]

So tested a bit more on my end, rebuilt prefix and launched without dlss upgrades. Tried various renodx builds, nightlies, snapshots, you name it. Can't load in anyway

[hasty geyser]

There’s an option in the settings called controller hotswapping (I think?) that I had to switch for it to pick up my controller properly, you might be having the same issue

[hasty geyser]

As for crashing, I have been having crashes in the ship builder menu with RenoDX installed (and no FG), could be something in your save file is triggering a similar issue when loading, but I’d only be guessing 🤷‍♂️

[sturdy cloak]

somehow starfield is finding my clones and destroying them

https://tenor.com/view/captain-keeli-clone-clone-wars-clone-trooper-star-wars-gif-15811401236653368425

looks like i found it

hmm, still crashing

[left halo]

Yes, I confirmed with the overlay that preset M is being used. 5070 Ti, only 7 to 9 GB of VRAM allocated in my playthrough so far.

[lone jewel]

These instructions or are they obsolete? I've read some people saying that is not needed anymore. #1413548071987576862 message

[left halo]

I also do not use FG and am using the Quality setting. All graphics settings are maxed.

[sturdy cloak]

that's if you use the RenoDX reshade build which automatically does early loading (LoadFromDllMain⁩)

[ocean mesa]

Must be the DLSSfix that's crashing? RenoDX is working fine for me so far.

[sturdy cloak]

it crashes on viewing ship

sometimes

[lone jewel]

It won't even boot for me haha.

[sturdy cloak]

crash on viewing ship is almost guaranteed to happen for me with FSR3 on

[lone jewel]

The previous version was loading out of the box, although it erased the DLSS FG option in the settings menu. Using latest ReShade with add-on from ReShade site.

[ocean mesa]

Not having any issues viewing ships on an NV card. Things seem abnormally dim though with the defualt settings.

Whoa, turning on perceptual EA makes quite the difference lol

Are the current defaults ideal when it comes to upgrade method? So many new settings.

[sturdy cloak]

it's all WIP, i haven't weighted in the vanilla exposure

well, if i can reproduce the crash, at least with fsr3, i can fix it... maybe

[ocean mesa]

Gotcha. Will have more time to give it a look this afternoon. Any things you need tested?

[whole creek]

Shouldn't be save file related, tried to coc to akila spaceport, and also new save with same behaviour, so still wrapping my head around what could cause it

[lone jewel]

Oh you cannot use the new DLSS Fix standalone? It loads the game now but only using the new RenoDX version. I was trying with the old one.

[sturdy cloak]

no, you cna't

[split river]

when using the NAT train in New Atlantis the entire image turns saturated blue, right before loading screen and right after

anyone got this issue?

[lone jewel]

Yes. It's an old known issue. Quite minor if you ask me.

[whole creek]

On this one, I can't even get to loading screen, right after I press continue game freezes. On previous version, progressed to loading screen, loaded for couple seconds and than froze

[split river]

not on a 2500 nits TV 😭

getting blasted with bright saturated blue hurts every time

I guess it's just how it is when there is no native HDR output from the game itself

[eager palm]

My game didn't crash but frame gen doesn't turn on and overriding upscaling in the nvidia app makes the visuals completely bug out

It looks really good tho if you stick to default dll

[gaunt gust]

Yeah frame gen does not work for me

[ocean mesa]

DLSS FG isn't working for me either. I've tried the packaged FG .dll as well as the new version with Preset B etc. Both don't seem to activate at all. Going to remove DLSS fix for now to verify its even activating with Reno.

Removing DLSSfix made FG work again. However, the flickers are pretty wild, even with no overrides.

[plush topaz]

Does this new add on 64 fix the crashing for fsr frame gen?

[next thistle]

Can devkit be used to go through every shader?

[gaunt comet]

every shader being drawn at a specific time

[next thistle]

In my heart I want the water reflections to suck less and would have fun using that as an excuse to learn some graphics modding, in my head I know I will give up very quickly

The real time cube maps are so bad

The entire water shader or texture outside jemison is so bad

[gaunt comet]

should probably look at arknight endfield's code

they have some improved reflection stuff

run it through ai

slop your way to victory

[next thistle]

Yeah that was the plan

Claude it up

Learn by going:

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053238

Would likely never finish but a fun experiment

[plush topaz]

Looks like that new addon64 fixed the immediate crashing. The only issue now is the flickering!

[shrewd pollen]

what should I tweak to make faces like his more visible in bright daylight scenes?

[next thistle]

UI brightness 436 is crazy work

[gaunt comet]

did you disable the 2nd sun with that ini edit

cause that basically breaks the game's visuals

[shrewd pollen]

no I didn't do any INI stuff

[wide creek]

Anyone have a good recommendation for "space" .ini settings/mod? I tried out:
[Display]
fSpaceGlowBackgroundScale=0.0
fStarIntensity=2500.0
fStarSystemFarViewDistance=10000000000.0
fStarfieldBackgroundScale=35.0
fStarfieldStarBrightnessScale=10.0
fStarfieldStarCoordScale=10.0
fSunScale=1.0

from the Neutral LUT mod but I feel like there must be some better settings for Reno in this game.

[gray plank]

Am I crazy or is there a typo in your tutorial?

What your tutorial says:

LoadFromDllMain=_renodx-dlssfix.addon64

vs what I assume it should say:

LoadFromDllMain=renodx-dlssfix.addon64

Is the underscore required for whatever reason? The file when downloaded from repo is called

renodx-dlssfix.addon64

without the underscore at the start that is in your tutorials for this feature

[gaunt gust]

I think you want to add the underscore for load order

[woven comet]

where is this option? i not disables

[robust cypress]

I haven't played Starfield since it originally had Luma. Did this RenoDX for Starfield effectively supersede it?

[eager palm]

Pretty much but I think luma is getting an update as well, they were just waiting for the big patch

[whole creek]

It is getting an update, didn't see an ETA anywhere yet, but it's being worked on

[rustic oxide]

@sturdy cloak sir sorry to ping u I was doing some testing with Psychov17 and using Vanilla Eye Adaptation everything is completely dark.

Psychov17 - Vanilla Eye Adaptation

Psychov17 - Custom Eye Adaptation LUT Strenght 50

Psychov17 - Custom Eye Adaptation LUT Strenght 100

Also LUT stenght to 100 it kills the colors a bit, I tried 50 as I do in Cyberpunk but also black levels seem to be affected

[silent quarry]

do we suppose to have flickering still after applying the dlss fix? is it broken right now

[ocean mesa]

FG is broken with the current DLSSfix WIP. Better to just run the packaged FG .dll (3.5.0) with no overrides and no DLSSfix.

[desert kayak]

So much confusing information about Renodx + DLSS framegen - should we use the DLSS fix that shortfuse talked about, or not?

[ocean mesa]

^^see above

[desert kayak]

I did, tons of conflicting info. FG 2x does not need the fix and works just fine? is that correct?

[ionic tangle]

meanwhile I'm just trying to figure out what is causing these two rectangles messing up my depth buffer

[sturdy cloak]

Last I tried 6x worked with the new DLSSFix but I'll check again

[silent quarry]

2x FG flickers in less I’m doing something wrong with dlssfix

Only with perceptual eye adaptation tho

[shrewd pollen]

I tried every slider last night and was unable to figure out why this is happening

[tribal briar]

Everything runs stable on my 4090 with no DLSS overrides (with overrides I get flashes and flicker and it eventually crashes). The only issue is that when looking around there seems to be some kind of auto exposure that adapts instantly (no slow adaption) based on where I am looking. This is mostly visible when I am outside and the sun is up. Is that intended?

[tribal briar]

Grabbing the latest snapshot build of the addon from https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/releases/tag/snapshot fixed it. No more instant change when the sun comes in or out of view. I had the version with Psycho v17 before. Not sure where I got it from.

[gaunt gust]

I can’t even get 2x to work with the new one

[ocean mesa]

Same.

[zenith sparrow]

hello

anyone facing crashing on AMD? im having driver timeouts

[sturdy cloak]

removed the wip build. just causing confusion about what wip means

[glossy vessel]

Does anyone else get lighting glitches when its raining in Akila? Pretty sure this isn't reno related, but unsure what's causing it as I dont have any mods that effect lighting.

[lone jewel]

It's when you go in and out of those sheds? Transitions can look very weird in this game, specially Akila with that intense brown grading.

[glossy vessel]

Not the transitions, which yeah look weird on any planet. Just walking around Akila, when its raining and the weather has that yellowish hue. Colour grading and shadow glitches for a few seconds at certain spots in town.

Seems like there's a few mentions online about flaky lighting in Akila for some people. Hopefully it remains isolated

[lone jewel]

Sometimes it might be leftover .ini changes that don't go away when you uninstall the game.

[glossy vessel]

I've just confirmed it's Reno. I deactivated all mods but the problem remained. I then deleted Reshade, and the glitches went away. When I re-installed Reshade without Reno, its was still glitch free.

Even if I turn off Reno while its installed, its still glicthes.

I haven't tried any other add-ons

testing now

Tried a random reshade add-on there was no glitch. So it’s Reno

From my phone, sorry. Looks like it’s not weather related, as this is clear sky

So just in certain areas

[lone jewel]

Oh wow. Never saw that. What settings are you using? That does look weirdly blue for Akila.

[glossy vessel]

Oh yeah i tried a LUT to see if it made a difference, it doesn;t

The glitch was occuring before I tried CINE Fidelity LUT and Royal weathers, but mods don't matter

ill take another vid with them deativated

[eager palm]

Are you using the wip build that was posted the other day?

[glossy vessel]

hmmm may be

ill try the one thats pinned now

[eager palm]

Yea revert to the one in pins, that flickering should stop

[glossy vessel]

Yep! That was it. Phew. Thanks for helping me find the issue

any recommended LUTS btw? I never tried one before, but they seem to make a difference

but at least this problem is solved, cheers again

[ionic tangle]

yeah same, but with just reshade and REST

[lone jewel]

#1462958679006642207 message

[little salmon]

contrast

[turbid cloak]

I used to use NaturaLUTs with Luma back in the day but right now I'm just rocking reduced LUT strength because the vanilla lut is way too overbearing for a lot of areas

iirc I settled on like 40-45% lut strength

[sturdy cloak]

stupid drm

[gaunt gust]

Wait is there a new version that works with dlss frame gen?

[glossy vessel]

im using Lossless Scaling for frame gen atm, and it works really well. Visuals are a bit messy when moving on stairs, but generally its pretty great

[thin parrot]

Is reno supposed to work with FSR? Systematic crash are reported at game loading

[livid crown]

Yup ! that's me ! When frame generation is enabled, systematic. I can access game without it though, just tried

[sturdy cloak]

worked last i tested with just vanilla everything. nothing about custom fsr3/optiscaler/dlssfg versions

this was october

still, working on a refresh for custom dlls

[sturdy cloak]

welp, seems like fixing dlss means breaking fsr3fg

[thin parrot]

You mean in your current test version? Or in the one we use atm?

[sturdy cloak]

current version i'm working on. fsr3 is reading the 16bit swapchain when it shouldn't be

[thin parrot]

And you could test fsr3 with the new Starfield update and the current stable reno version? Without CTD?

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, fsr3 FG works with dlssfix not included with what i'm working on

[sturdy cloak]

Okay so it all works, just needs some massaging

basically, use DLSSFix if and ONLY IF you are going to use DLSSFG. don't use it with FSR3 or FSR3 upscaling

[thin parrot]

@livid crown doesn't use DLSSFix and he has contant CTDs if FSR3 FG is enabled... weird

[sturdy cloak]

i've said it's a known issue

[thin parrot]

Oh I understood wrong sorry... because you were saying to use DLSSfix only with DLSSFG. I had made a shortcut it should work with FSR3 and WITHOUT DLSSfix

[steady harbor]

Hello!
I wanted to ask if the anti-banding solution works only on some displays (I assumed OLED/HDR)
As I understood it switches to 16-bit depth, so when I turn it on, colours go all funky and crazy

[sturdy cloak]

it uses scRGB which is 16bit. for SDR you have to cap peak brightness to 80

if you're mixing reshade fx, it's not going to work if they don't support 16bit scRGB

[steady harbor]

I see! Thank you.
Just to give you more info - menu for example goes green and pixelated.
No, I didn't use any Reshade shaders, just pure RenoDX

[sturdy cloak]

screenshot?

[sturdy cloak]

can you send the reshade log?

are you sure you're not mixing with something else, like nvidia color stuff?

or like nvidia sharpening

[steady harbor]

I use AMD, maybe that's the issue?

But I don't have any of its external stuff on

[sturdy cloak]

most probably something with AMD, yeah

[steady harbor]

I see, oh well, thank you and sorry to bother you!

[sturdy cloak]

i might have a new build in a day or two that might work, but AMD is a bit hard to debug for DX12

[steady harbor]

Oh, nice, will make sure to try it out!

[sturdy cloak]

finalizing

WIP, Includes framegen option for FSR3 / DLSS

Do not use DLSSFix (option included)

[ocean mesa]

Sweet. Would you recommend we use this guide I found over in the Crimson thread?

[sturdy cloak]

Yeah, that fine, but the game is a bit rough. There is basically no auto exposure in the game except for some extreme brights

I had to set min to 0.01 because the game has legit black scenes

[ocean mesa]

So defaults should work pretty well right off the bat?

[sturdy cloak]

There's a PsychoV button which is like a second HDR Look button

Seemed okay for the areas I tested

Oh, you might have to set upgrade method to the second option (UpgradeToneMap => N2 Max Channel), but idk if that option even works

[ocean mesa]

In the last WIP build switching upgrade methods didn't do anything but I'll check again. Anything else you need some eyes on? Will probably have an hour or two later on to take a look.

[sturdy cloak]

Idk, not really for much feed back other than what numbers look good. If there's a reproducible crash that helps. But the crash when entering ship screen I fixed. I needed a special FSR3 option because it needs its own upgrades

I'm actually upgrading FSR3 resources and that's how FG works there.

[ocean mesa]

So with the framegen option.. does that mean DLSSfix is included now? I noticed you can open the reshade .ini from with reno now. Guessing we just need to add that [Addon] line?

[sturdy cloak]

Yes. The code from DLSSFix is in this.

If you try DLSSFix with fsr3 FG it crashes the game, so I had to make another option

And it's cleaner not to depend on multiple addons

[ocean mesa]

Perfect. Was having a heck of a time getting FG to work with the last WIP.

Last question. Does upgrade method usually require a game restart?

[sturdy cloak]

Yes it does. Should be noted. May be unsafe but probably fine now if I did everything right

[ocean mesa]

@sturdy cloak Some early feedback:

• FG still doesn't work with the new build
• I made sure to set framegen/FSR support to DLSS in RenoDX and restarted
• "[ADDON]
  LoadFromDllMain=renodx-starfield.addon64" was added to Reshade.ini
• I disabled and checked FPS with and without Frame Gen. Same FPS
• I removed RenoDX and Frame Gen started working again.

[sturdy cloak]

ReShade fps isn't reliable

[ocean mesa]

I'm using HWinfo for FPS display

This is also with zero overrides with NVPI so dlssg .dll 3.5.0.

[sturdy cloak]

ReShade log please

[ocean mesa]

kk

[exotic fog]

with the latest reno, if i set tonemapper to psycho, there is blinking that occurs. anyone know what causes that? @sturdy cloak

[sturdy cloak]

DLSSfg

[exotic fog]

where in reno is the setting to turn that off?

oh hmm

it was already set to off

[sturdy cloak]

Hmm

:911 [ 7456] | WARN  | Ignoring LoadLibrary('api-ms-win-appmodel-runtime-l1-1-2') call to avoid possible deadlock.
14:57:25:048 [16120] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::streamline_v2::OnInitDevice() - Device: 0x00000220056bc1e0 => 0x0000022005af9e38
14:57:25:048 [16120] | DEBUG | [RenoDX] utils::streamline_v2::OnInitDevice() - Streamline not initialized yet for device 0x220056bc1e0; leaving ReShade device unmodified

Will check if I have that

Starfield doesn't call slInit when it should

[sturdy cloak]

Might be worth trying latest DLSSfg

[ocean mesa]

Last one I tried was the one you released with the last WIP build. I'll give it a shot. If all else fails, running without FG ain't the end of the world.

No luck.

[sturdy cloak]

Interesting. I'll give it another try tomorrow.

[ocean mesa]

@sturdy cloak You might also want to take a look at how the scanner works with Reno. Exposure raises quite a bit when using the scanner. When you exit out the entire screen goes pretty dark and slowly trys to adapt back to normal. Normal / Scanner

[ocean mesa]

Yeah this WIP has many issues.

Use "Vanilla tonemapper midgrey in PyschoV" turns days into dusk. Took me forever to figure out what the heck was going on. The peak brightness slider has no effect when using PsychoV TM. I believe you control general brightness only by the Game Brightness slider now.

[junior garnet]

yeah this is rlly noticeable

fg not working either rip

[sturdy cloak]

What settings?

[sturdy cloak]

ai slopified my code. removed the streamline upgrade when all i asked it to do was change the variable type

[eager palm]

Just tried the new addon quickly, I'm not seeing any exposure issues with the scanner

The game crashes on launch with frame gen support enabled but that seems to just be a me thing looking at the other comments here

Okay crash was on my end, frame gen still a no go but definitely no issues with the scanner

[ocean mesa]

I was using the default settings from the "psychoV" button.

[sturdy cloak]

figured it out. You can't do DLSSFG on scRGB. The old hack of forcing it isn't worth it. So we're doing HDR10

[eager palm]

Is it a bandwidth limitation?

[ocean mesa]

Good deal. Did you happen to also look into the "vanilla tonemapper midgrey/slope in PsychoV" sliders yet? With both at max (psycho toggle default settings), the brightest part of the day turns into dusk/night.

[sturdy cloak]

What location?

[ocean mesa]

I'd have to go back and check.

[exotic fog]

is new ver out now?

[woeful fog]

on some planets night skies are pretty gray too from what I’ve seen. less washed out then vanilla but still

[ocean mesa]

@sturdy cloak Nikola -> Nikola II. Will have to test a few more systems but it doesn't seem like its a localized issue. (vanilla tonemapper midgrey/slope in PsychoV disabled vs enabled)

^^ 9:36 in the morning on a sunny day

[fierce bolt]

Hey I would really appreciate some help on this, whenever I use photo mode in game and take photos they appear as totally black in the folder where Starfield stores them and can't be used as loading screens. My only guess is that its reshade or RenoDX im using here

[woven comet]

i this the pinned version???? i dont have this options on my addon

[narrow niche]

yes RenoDX problem, for now you can just take photos using reshade and put them in the folder if you want them as loading screens

[rustic oxide]

could this effect be a Reno issue? I can't find a solution

[glossy vessel]

Ive been seeing this too. Unsure whats causing it

[sturdy cloak]

that might be the max brightness limitting harder than vanilla, since you're looking at the sun

15% was an estimate but really vanilla has no cap i think

i got fsr3 and dlssfg working, just making dlssfg work with SDR

the other thing is knowing to pop eye adaption when switching some scenes, like scanner and pause menu

[ocean mesa]

That does make sense. For the most part my playthrough was fine last night with both settings active. Just have to either dial up game brightness for certain outdoor scenes or just live with a higher max brightness %. I've tried to run psycho without the midgrey/slope settings but struggled to get a consistent picture even though it was closer to vanilla.

Hopefully you can fix the issues with the scanner.

@woven comet recent WIP build https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462958679006642207/1494793836403097850/renodx-starfield.addon64?ex=69e5e0fe&is=69e48f7e&hm=6047b477b8ddd02f0232a8fb78624668111b6e955deff3f9ccdfd8b6b8b29de4&

[sturdy cloak]

mostly cleaning up the settings right now so i can push with the dlssfg fixes. then i'll look at the eye adaptation

[hasty geyser]

FWIW, at least in the interim, dropping the AE Meter Delay to 0ms helps with the slow adaptation after closing the scanner/menus

[woven comet]

thx

[exotic fog]

this isnt with dlssfg fixes, right?

[sturdy cloak]

it's not

[exotic fog]

ok ty

[sturdy cloak]

working on detecting menu/scanner now. everything else seems fine

[sturdy cloak]

perceptual smoothing is broken, needs to be 0 for now

ah, when scanner shows there is no histogram run, confirmed

[sturdy cloak]

packaging. looks good

[sturdy cloak]

DLSSFG working. FSR3 Working. Use Frame Gen option and don't mix them. Might need some more optimization

[fierce bolt]

Occasional artifacts on the very edge of my screen, this fixable? or just gotta live with it, guessing dlss related

[sturdy cloak]

screenshot? are you mixing shader fx?

[eager palm]

Anyone planning on using dlss frame gen needs to make sure they're not forcing preset b because it will deep fry the image when you move the camera but otherwise overrides work no problem including latest dll and mfg

[mental elm]

i have preset m forced globally on driver and had the deep fry issue

[sturdy cloak]

i have access to the dlssfg options, but i didn't change any of them. i'm assuming it is properly sending it's an HDR buffer

[eager palm]

I have m forced without visual issues

[mental elm]

well i seem to have the issue even with dlss models set to use the default app setting so it's something else

ok, for some reason in global driver settings the fg option box was just blank with nothing selected which shouldn't even be possible

just put that to use app setting and now fine

[ocean mesa]

Can confirm I'm also seeing artifacts with the new build. Hapens when I spin the character back and forth with FG and the DLSS toggle set. Also don't have any other fx other than reno installed. The artifact is like a red shadow, kinda like the 3d effect with the blue/red with those glasses. Not sure how to explain it. EDIT: Just tested traveled to another planet and didn't have the issue so more testing necessary it seems. EDIT2: Same artifacting happened on another planet, weather was similar. Same red shadow.

[turbid cloak]

New version lets you use preset M?

or should I hold off until this artifact issue gets resolved

[mental elm]

i had what sounds like the same problem in stalker, had to set custom render resolution so that the numbers were even, which for 2560x1440 was 69%

but i think that was related to ray reconstruction which afaik isn't in starfield, so prob different thing

[sturdy cloak]

might be related . this is how i tested

[cursive wind]

I also have those artifacts at the edge of the screen, mostly visible at the top

Tried fiddling with settings, pnly things that make them disappear is using Vanilla tonemapper or switching to SDR output mode. Turning off framegen didn't make a difference

[sturdy cloak]

what about putting sdr peak (203)

might be negative colors or something

(bt2020)

[cursive wind]

Yeah they start to disappear if I set peak brightness below 203

[sturdy cloak]

does it go away with saturation 0?

[fierce bolt]

Yeah, it doesn’t bother me that much

PsychoV17 looks pretty good, is that generally what people use VS the Reno tonemapper or is it literally just preference

[ocean mesa]

Edit: Ugh, nevermind. No it doesn't go away lol

[mental elm]

jxr 💁‍♀️

[sturdy cloak]

Off / Default / HDR Look / PsychoV

[cursive wind]

Can't see weapon in the menu with Perceptual eye adapt (0.01% min brightness, increasing it makes it visible)
Could it be possible to disable eye adaptation when opening the menu?

[sturdy cloak]

i'll see what i can do

Off / Default / HDR Look / PsychoV

[ocean mesa]

vanilla tonemapper midgrey/slope in PsychoV Enabled vs Disabled

[next thistle]

hdr look vs psychov17

[gaunt comet]

better to run the inflection point of the tonemappers through the inverse in order to get gray out / in

[sturdy cloak]

it does that

[gaunt comet]

ah ok

i thought it was based on 0.18

[sturdy cloak]

it's the max brightness cap

[next thistle]

setting to max is decent in this scene

are these hdrpng

should be....

looks dimmer in discord

but correct in skiv

[sturdy cloak]

maybe hdr10

[next thistle]

tree shadows the worst in this game

i don't know anything about auto exposure. is allowing higher than 30 reasonable or no

lowering cone response helps with the trees

that screenshot may have been 50 instead of 60

psychov button + ae max 30

game is just impossibly lit innit

[sturdy cloak]

something else might be off, tbh. not entirely sure, but it definitely doesn't have global illumination

[next thistle]

heres what that looks like (off)...

there is some kind of GI but it might be super low frequency probes

[sturdy cloak]

what is midgray off like?

[next thistle]

too late in creation kit with debug views

[next thistle]

psychov, ae max 30, midgray on vs off

erg, flipped the 2nd set there. midgray off is left, ofc.

midgray off helps, don't need AE at 30 at that point. even still there's pretty stark contrast in a spot like that, but the when the ground next to it is 10x the nits, maybe to be expected

[sturdy cloak]

yeah, vanilla shoots up to like 45%

Increased AE Max cap to 50%, force DLSSFG HDR10 settings

[glossy vessel]

I still get the flicker when using DLSS FG.

[eager palm]

Which tone mapper are you using

[glossy vessel]

The default RenoDRT.

Also, I dont know what i am doing

as in, im probably missing something or not doing something right.

[eager palm]

Yea I had the same, switch to psychov and it goes away

[glossy vessel]

How do I do that? The only other option is Vanilla. I’ve downloaded the latest version..

[eager palm]

Do you have the advanced settings on

Or there's a little button at the bottom

[glossy vessel]

Yeah advanced settings on. No button I can see

[glossy vessel]

I’m using this

[eager palm]

Try remove reshade and all the addons and go through the process again because that's not right, you should have more settings than that

[glossy vessel]

am i using dlssfix?

[eager palm]

No it's built in

[glossy vessel]

I deleted all reshade files, re-installed, latest Reno,

No change.

Advanced settings, but no psyhov option for tone mapper

Im using ReShade 6.7.3 with full add-on support

[eager palm]

That's the same as I've got I'm not sure what else to suggest

[glossy vessel]

no worries, thanks anyway

[glossy vessel]

Well I’m an idiot. Despite downloading and moving the new Reno file to the install folder, it mustn’t have saved.

Anyway, I re-downloaded and installed Reno and it’s now coming up with the PsychoV option…I turned on FG DLSS and restarted

I clicked on the PsychoV17 button at the bottom..

No more flicker with FG on!

[mental elm]

imagine a game dev just making a functional pc hdr implementation

[exotic fog]

@sturdy cloak I'm getting a lot of weird oddities with the latest reno for this. A lot of shimmering effects (psycho mode) and sometimes UI gets "stuck" on screen and overlaps other UI elements. its really weird. i did a full wipe and reinstall too

[sturdy cloak]

Picture of settings? Also are you playing with frame gen?

[exotic fog]

yeah framegen is on

sec for settings

[sturdy cloak]

Read the yellow text and click the yellow button

[exotic fog]

ah geeze

[split river]

@sturdy cloak thank you for continuing working on this, the latest build works and looks awesome

[exotic fog]

@sturdy cloak that did it. my bad. sorry for false alarm

looks great

[split river]

if only Bethesda could do something about the memory leak with DLSS SR 4.5 😭

[sturdy cloak]

In all games or just Starfield? They don't do slInit when they're supposed to. I'm upgrading everything manually.

[split river]

haven't played other Bethesda titles since DLSS 4.5 release tbh, so idk how bad it is there

[sturdy cloak]

For most games when they create the dx12 device it's after you call streamline init function. Starfield doesn't follow the correct sequence. They create first, then initialize.

[split river]

but Starfield definitely shows an improvement with presets M/L, until it starts dropping framerate from using all available VRAM

[split river]

interesting, why would they do it like that

[eager palm]

How long is it taking for that to happen

[split river]

random, but generally from a few minutes to like half an hour

[sturdy cloak]

That's just DLSS super resolution right? I technically hook both here.

[split river]

Yes, super resolution, there are absolutely no issues with any framegen version

at least with the latest build

[eager palm]

Oh weird I use m and haven't had that happen

[split river]

maybe it's only preset L? but I've seen other people mentioning they get it with M too

[sturdy cloak]

I have access to all of DLSS including logging and console. I didn't look into just super res, but I did enable auto exposure and HDR format

[split river]

I test this after every update/change I do to the game and it still happens

chugs 24 gigs like nothing

but only after some time playing, at first it's always fine

never happened with preset K

[sturdy cloak]

Sometimes the game boots with the dlssg indicator. Sometimes it doesn't. Not sure why

[split river]

yeah, I noticed that too, weird

[eager palm]

Are you on 40 or 50 series

[split river]

4090

[eager palm]

Could be a 40 series bug maybe

I only have half that much vram and it's not a problem

[split river]

that would be sad, although if I'm not mistaken I've seen someone on 50 series with the same problem

[split river]

yeah, on preset K I use only like 9 to 11 gigs of VRAM most of the time

[exotic fog]

I have this weird issue in starfield that no other game presents... ill play then all of a sudden my framerate goes to slideshow... like for no reason. clicking in a window etc. i have a 4070ti

[split river]

sounds exactly like the VRAM leak I have

do you use DLSS 4.5 preset L or M?

it works fine for a while and then suddenly starts chugging VRAM until it ends and FPS tanks into unplayable territory immediately

[eager palm]

Are you forcing globally or per game

Shouldn't really make a difference but nvidia's drivers have been a joke lately so who knows

[split river]

both

and with NVPI-R too

I tried all possible options with SF

[eager palm]

Hang on I just triggered it

You have to go in and out of menus a bunch of times

First few times are fine but then every time you go exit a menu with any 3d assets it'll choke

Mine is recovering after a few seconds tho

[split river]

sometimes it recovers, other times it just gets stuck like that

and it happens again later anyway

and it keeps lowering your average fps

after an hour of playing with preset L my VRAM graph always plateaus at roughly 100%

and FPS is miserable

[eager palm]

Ig stick to prest k then

[split river]

yeah, that's what I do

but L definitely looks better

[eager palm]

I think it's forcing native res when you go into a menu and that might be what's causing it

[split river]

I think it doesn't apply DLSS in menus in general

even DLAA

which I find weird tbh, maybe they wanted to avoid UI artifacting this way but idk if it's worth it

[sturdy cloak]

the game sends some invalid dlssg options, empty basically, not sure why

[ocean mesa]

If anyone sees this and is using FG with the new build, check Gagarin with the default PsychoV toggle set for defaults. A colored shadow around the edges of the terrain is extremely apparent when panning the camera quickly back and forth. Outside of this weird artifact shadow popping up with certain weathers/situations, the new build feels nearly complete.

Definitely a FG artifact.

[lapis peak]

I have an LG G3. You're saying with DLSS 4.5 stay with K instead of M?

[eager palm]

Yea doesn't matter what you're running, stay away from presets m and l for this game

[cursive wind]

Have been using preset L for a while now and haven't had any of the issues others have mentioned, on a 4090.

[eager palm]

I hadn't noticed it either but I was able to trigger it, if you just load into the game and press the tab key a bunch of times to go back and forth between the game and where you can see your character in the menu you should notice your vram start to go up until it eventually hits performance

Effect is worse the more times it happens as well and I think it applies to any menu with 3d assets so inventory, ship builder, star map etc

[acoustic phoenix]

I'm on a 5090 and have the same VRAM leak issues with preset M. The more you open menus the faster VRAM accumulates

[cursive wind]

I've just tried to trigger it, standing in New Atlantis tabbing in and out of the menu for a while and whenever I open the menu my VRAM goes down below 10,000 then once I'm back into the game it goes back to 14,000. It does this consistently and my VRAM usage never went above 15,000 during long play sessions. Preset L confirmed to be active with the nvidia overlay, framegen on.

[desert kayak]

SO for DLSS FG, we want preset K, not M or L?

[whole crown]

screenshot from #🆘helpdesk

[eager palm]

@whole crown have you tried this version

[whole crown]

let me check

does not work either, it crashes as soon as I load despite the HDR is visible and configurable in the main menu

[heavy yoke]

So I'm thinking of playing Starfield for some reason. Is this the best option for HDR to use? It doesn't look like Luma works with the latest update.

[whole crown]

even in SDR mode the crash happens...

[heavy yoke]

To be transparent, I don't actually understand the distinction.

[sturdy cloak]

Do you have frame gen enabled?

[whole crown]

no

Starfield Steam version, not the game pass one

not sure if that changes anything tho..

[eager palm]

Luma hasn't worked in quite a while, you'll want this

[whole crown]

is there anything that is known to conflict with RenoDX I should check?

[sturdy cloak]

Can you send the ReShade.log?

[whole crown]

found the culprit... it does not work with XeSS

crashes as soon as I enable it in-game, works with FSR3 and Cas

[sturdy cloak]

Yeah, I asked if you had frame gen because afaik crashed are related to FG. I haven't tried to get XESS to work

[next thistle]

whats the use case for XeSS? on AMD and better than FSR3?

or i suppose intel card

forget even the iGPUs these days on handhelds and recent laptops can be good

[whole crown]

I use XeSS often because it provides a clearer image than with FSR3

also for some reason FSR3 does not have configuration in Starfield for me

[next thistle]

do you have an AMD GPU?

[whole crown]

yes!

[next thistle]

ah ok, yeah. idk about that issue with FSR but suppose XeSS will probably produce a better image.

[whole crown]

in any case the game looks extremely weird now

[next thistle]

off / default / hdr look / psychov

6:50 local time new atlantis

i do have a second sun adjustment of some kind (not disabled) - slightly darker nights mod. no clue if that affects this scene.

[whole crown]

looks good

[ionic tangle]

I managed to inject mxao before translucent effects but for some reason, sometimes depending on what's on the screen it lags behind when moving the camera.
Still a big improvement over vanilla, adds some much needed depth to faces

[sturdy cloak]

you might need maximum brightness to 40%

[next thistle]

For sure, pumping that helps brightness. Is that significant color shift expected?

Vanilla also looks terrible, so what can ya do

[sturdy cloak]

vanilla likes to turn orange into beige. psychov isn't trying to really replicate vanilla colors, for better or for worse

[next thistle]

Sunrise more orange makes sense

I wonder if artists were pushing orange harder to compensate

[sturdy cloak]

PsychoV does more saturated colors when darker which is just how vision works. I don't know if 15% is high enough to be honest. The game is kinda inconsistent with lighting

[next thistle]

kinda

[sturdy cloak]

They rely on luts to influence lighting

Mars is green or gray without LUTs

[eager palm]

Is there actually any good reason for doing that

[next thistle]

Existing workflow

[sturdy cloak]

baked lighting

You can have a red, or green, or blue planet just by changing luts.

I guess it's more disk space to have repeated textures just slightly tinted

But things look the same because they literally are the same

[eager palm]

That makes sense

[sturdy cloak]

So if you have 200 nits as your base white, 15% means it won't let you have an average nits above 30 nits. But if you want to be blinded by 100 nits of sun on average, you'd have to set it to 50%

It'll still temporarily flash bang, sure, but not a consistent thing.

40% might actually be vanilla limit

Wasn't there a mod to reduce the flash light strength or something?

[eager palm]

I think there were a couple yea

I always thought the newer resident evil games were the worst for flashlights

[whole crown]

does the vanilla adaptation option make the screen to flash for you?

also when using RenoDX adaptation when I enable the scanner the game becomes extremely bright

[sturdy cloak]

Should have been fixed. Does your AE max go up to 50%

[whole crown]

yeah but if i set it lower than 50% the adaptation then darkens the view more than it should

well seems to look right now at 25%

still quite bright but more bearable (will look even brighter in the screenshot)

[split river]

@sturdy cloak it seems like PsychoV eye adaptation isn't best suited for the Ship Builder

screen brightness jumps back and forth when ship parts light up with hover overlay

[sturdy cloak]

if you set metering delay to 0 does it fix the jumpiness?

[split river]

it makes it even more sudden

instead of slightly gradual

[sturdy cloak]

i had a really back flicker problem with metering delay so probably something else

the game turns off eye adaptation in main menu, so i'm supposed to fallback to vanilla tonemapper automatically, but seems to not always kick in

[split river]

yeah, sounds like it should've been solving this if engaged properly

[sturdy cloak]

also went to bed at 4am so don't exactly remember what i pushed

oof, disables histogram on button hover, wtf

[next thistle]

after about 20 hours of fiddling / modding...i think its time to play the game

my first time with maps, the vehicles

wow

[mental elm]

I got it the other day

I like it, wasn't really bothered or hyped about it when it came out so didn't have any expectations just enjoying for what it is

done like 2 main quests in 20 hours playing

[sturdy cloak]

should i bump AE max to 30%?

[sturdy cloak]

Off / Default / HDR Look / PsychoV

[next thistle]

test in daytime scenes outdoors really

oh you mean by default

hdr look, psychov ae max 15/30/45

again, these are dimmer when viewed through discord preview

15/30/45

[sturdy cloak]

i think my metering might be off

like it's supposed to read the full screen but it might not be

Off / Default / HDR Look / PsychoV (50% AE)

it's supposed to be 50%, but says average is 30 nits, not 50% of 203 (100nits)

[next thistle]

its about half the average of off though

[sturdy cloak]

target nits says 100 nits, hmm

i fixed the exposure jumping from the ship screen. just need to fix the gun on the pause screen

floor is brighter than the sun (current nits), something is up

sky mask, boo

[cursive wind]

I've been using AE max 0 and it's been looking very good in most scenes I've tested so far, even 50% felt too dark outdoors during sunny days.

[sturdy cloak]

More AE Fixes

[ocean mesa]

Might want to take a look at Neon with the new version. Brightness is an understatement. Pretty much all signs blowout hard 😄

Probably one of the hardest scenes to balance since its so contrasty

[next thistle]

you don't have the mod that adds more lights do you

[ocean mesa]

No. Check out the new version for yourself. There are many abnormalities. You can only set 1% for max brightness in the planet viewer now or the entire system blows out. The max brightness slider also only hits 9% at max in certain areas. Likely by nature but yeah its performing quite different now.

[mental elm]

anyone have some ini tweak maybe to make space look a bit more spacey? just looks kind of bright and grey. i tried a mod on nexus but seemed buggy

[woven comet]

this is new one??? not the pinned one? thank you

[sturdy cloak]

Hmm, might have missed something. None of that was touched, other than boosting to 30% max

[exotic fog]

@sturdy cloak for this to work properly, I have to turn off DLSSFG in the ingame settings when using the reshade dlssfg. is that correct?

[sturdy cloak]

No, you match the renodx frame gen option with the in-game frame gen option

[split river]

Ship Builder now looks fine with PsychoV, niiice

thank you!

[ocean mesa]

Weird. Upon first launch today. None of those issues I mentioned are popping up... I swear, testing this garbage game is like pulling hairs.

[sturdy cloak]

when you first load a save it has no prior state. so when histogram stops running for whatever reason, it just caries the old state. i'm making it depend on less of the original game state now

i have a save in Cassiopeia that is pitch black, the ship crash, and it opens up completely black

[ocean mesa]

Makes sense. Yeah this game is just loaded with odd choices. Like in Gogarin, when you walk in shops the lut changes so does the AE so its like walking into a bright shop but the light goes off temporarily and then warms back up.

I never did play No Mans Sky but I'd love to know how they handled grading all the different procedural planets. I'm guessing they didn't follow the same method used in Starfield lol

[sturdy cloak]

dumped the vanilla AE completely and i think it's working now

now 30% might be too high

[narrow niche]

I'm just getting straight CTDs with the newest version with FG

[sturdy cloak]

you have to match the Frame Gen Support option in RenoDX with what you're using in-game

AE was based on Bloom being 100%, so made things weird

so it was dimming things that never hit the screen

[narrow niche]

it is

[sturdy cloak]

screenshot of settings and reshade.log?

[narrow niche]

I cant even get to the settings menu, it just insta crashes

hmm may have been displaycommander

works without it loaded

hmm maybe not

[sturdy cloak]

don't mix mods

at least for troubleshooting

[gaunt gust]

https://videocardz.com/newz/dlss-4-5-sdk-arrives-with-dynamic-multi-frame-generation-support

[sturdy cloak]

build soon, before i switch to eye adaptation v2

[ocean mesa]

Based off the new EA?#🧪lab message?

[split river]

I gotta admit, sometimes PsychoV handles colorful bright highlights more like a camera would, rather than human eye

whitening out the direct source leaving the color only in bloom and all the lit surrounding surfaces

instead of preserving all the color, as it looks like IRL

[sturdy cloak]

that's a display peak limitation issue really. color volume has a lot less expressible detail than using white

but human eye bleaches to white as well

just not nearly as fast as a display

No Vanilla Histogram

clip is basically what it looks like if you don't use white

[exotic fog]

sorry, whats this latest update do exactly?

[sturdy cloak]

fixes the main menu weapon icon, though probably jumps around a bit when gameplay/menu

[exotic fog]

ah

[ocean mesa]

New build is feeling stable and looks fantastic. Way less settings management based off location. PsychoV might actually force another play through.

[sturdy cloak]

i can probably detect if in-game, in-menu and just disable perceptual or something, but will work on the new NASA research paper and then see how it works

[ocean mesa]

It's a bit technical for me but in layman terms, what does it bring to the table that's new? Assuming you've had the time to go through it of course 😉

[sturdy cloak]

the sampling is very much optimistic, and the sun isn't as strong as it should be. i coded it for loose bright highlights don't change the average/mean, but the sun is so bright it should cause a very strong effect on how things feel. there's a balance between how bright somethign is and how big it is

the sun should generate a ton of bloom, and not be a laser to us, but then again, crimson desert didn't have this issue because it had atmospherics and the sun's light wasn't a laser and it made the clouds brighter

right now it doesn't use bloom at all. i left it as just pinhole reading. with the nasa paper i hope to get some real numbers about how strong to weigh things

[ocean mesa]

I see. Appreciate the explanation 🤞

[glossy vessel]

fSpaceGlowBackgroundScale=1.0
fStarIntensity=2500.0
fStarSystemFarViewDistance=10000000000.0
fStarfieldBackgroundScale=35.0
fStarfieldStarBrightnessScale=10.0
fStarfieldStarCoordScale=10.0

under [Display] in StarfieldCustom.ini

[mental elm]

thank you i'll give them a try tomorrow

[split river]

other tonemapping options sometimes may make the same colored light sources look about as bright as with PsychoV, but colorful, not white though

all on the same display (a TV with, arguably, plenty of headroom)

[split river]

which is why I mentioned cameras, photos/videos have this effect much more pronounced in both SDR and HDR

I might be completely wrong technically, not an expert on this

just noticed that out of the available options PsychoV not always looks the most human vision like, subjectively speaking

[sturdy cloak]

do you have a comparison?

because just because it's colored in another tonemapper doesn't automatically mean it's more human vision like

[split river]

this is fair, but it certainly feels like so when I look at it with my eyes on my display, matches more with what I'd imagine it would look IRL, which is completely unscientific of course

[split river]

no, but I'll try not to forget to make some

[sturdy cloak]

the rgb tonemappers arbitrary boost pure rgb channel primaries, so pure red is redder, pure green is greener and pure blue is bluer, never turning white

which isn't how our eyes work

because our eyes don't work on pure BT709 primaries

you'll also see over colored primaries in shadows as well, which is like red smear, or over saturated pure red in shadows

[split river]

our eyes don't see a fire as a monotonous blob too, neither yellow nor white

[sturdy cloak]

it would, if it were bright enough

[split river]

the whiteout kick in waaay later for eyes, in some rather rare instances

like staring at the sun

[sturdy cloak]

sure but you're talking about 4000 nit displays

so you have to compress to what the display allows

[split river]

and this is where the question of how to do that in a more realistic looking manner comes in

[sturdy cloak]

all white is fake, the question is what is believably fake

your eyes would turn to white along those curves

and the display can't handle full expanse of human vision

it's a matter of how much of a trade for white you can allow with a display

[split river]

absolutely, it's all about where to draw the line

[sturdy cloak]

the curve is cone response for when your eyes saturate. i didn't code "go to white"

the limit is the display peak

[mental elm]

a mod to disable lens flare except if wearing a helmet would be sick

muh immersion

[sturdy cloak]

sdr is generally far below human vision where just anything is going to feel hacky, but the colors themselves are along human cone response

[mental elm]

not flare, more the dirt effect I mean

[sturdy cloak]

where red=>orange=>yellow=>white happens along those lines

eg, this ramp

[split river]

maybe it's all just me liking artificially preserved color detail more than the accurate cone response curve, idk

[sturdy cloak]

also depends on if the game is lit realistically as well

discord video was borked for me

eh, still borked

[split river]

I'd say only UE5 sometimes comes close to being actually realistically lit

at least style-wise

I passed some of my Stalker 2 screenshots as photos when showed from a phone screen

[sturdy cloak]

starfield has a lot of hacks as well, where they light via luts, which makes no sense

[split river]

Bethesda wisdom, don't question it

[sturdy cloak]

but like the poster in the back, should have been more saturated, which psychov allows #1462958679006642207 message

the candy dispensor is another one

the machine in cydonia

[split river]

yes, indirect light with PsychoV is top notch

[sturdy cloak]

all blown out in all other options because they lean to BT709 shape, and the colors shouldn't feel right

[split river]

I was talking purely about staring directly at colorful LEDs and such

[sturdy cloak]

it's still generally colorful, but will always, eventually bend to white, unless you have a theoretical color that is exactly stimulting just one cone

which is what the "olo" color is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olo_(color)

but it has to bend earlier than normal because display peak

[split river]

in any case, this is just a really minor nitpicking from me, what you are doing with Reno is amazing, God's work

can't thank you enough for saving HDR gaming

[sturdy cloak]

i did recently break apart the cone response formula, to not use the exact cone math for bleaching/desaturation

so the rolloff to white can be more customized

but right now i'm trying to implement in a "trust the science" way, and then work on tuning after that

[split river]

sounds like a great approach

[sturdy cloak]

the perceptual stuff ends up useful as well, because nights boost saturation of highlights, in theory

if your adapted state is dark then everything further from that should feel more intense

[split river]

for sure

[sturdy cloak]

but we don't really have the display bandwidth for bright scenes of 300 nits average

we're like 3-5 years away from real daylight scenes in hdr

i don't even want to play gta5e on a WOLED

[split river]

aren't the newest TVs capable of like 440 nits fullscreen white?

[sturdy cloak]

but the problem is the reliance on white to drive it, so color gamut goes down the drain

[split river]

no

I meant QD-OLEDs

[sturdy cloak]

you get "detail", but pretty muted, compared to qdoled

[split river]

not WRGB

[sturdy cloak]

they're kinda chasing mini led now, which is honestly understandable for daylight

[split river]

Samsung S99H iirc

[sturdy cloak]

I don't know how Samsung is doing with qdoleds now. I remember reading they're using woled for stuff. But I'm really only thinking 42" which is what I play on

[split river]

440 nits sounds more than enough for bright room tbh

[split river]

42 inches are still WOLEDs only

55"+ are QD

48" idk, probably WOLED too

[sturdy cloak]

Ideally i also do stuff to display gamut and it's color volume. But that math is complex. The idea here is mostly that the curve to white is the believable curve. But bt2020 also asks you to assume the device will be able drive 100% color volume which doesn't happen

So I'm not sure what is white from my output and what is white from display choosing to make it white (desaturated)

[split river]

yeah, HDR is really complex, too many factors to account

and not enough to control

[sturdy cloak]

I have a "1000 nit" qdoled display I got this week and it's way way weaker than my C3 800 nit.

[split river]

at least dynamic tone mapping on displays is disablable for now

imagine it will remain forced ON eventually

[split river]

oled monitors still can't catch up to even the old 42" oled TVs

let alone 55"+ ones

which aren't limited

[sturdy cloak]

The opposite really. SDR is all user side (gamut, gamma, brightness). HDR is exactly 1:1 what you send, but the display has to keep up

A lot of assumptions the display will take care of lack of gamut

[split river]

in theory yes, but display manufacturers keep doing more whacky stuff automatically

but yeah, SDR kinda isn't meant to be accurate by design

no way around it

[sturdy cloak]

HGiG is supposed to give you unmodified HDR output, but you still don't know what the display can do

[split river]

and tbh the "meant" 100 nits SDR is barely enough even for pitch black room

let alone daylight or even a mildly lit one

[sturdy cloak]

There's two papers that tried to quantity the limit of simultaneous range and they both basically maxed out their testing equipment. 1600 nit on the probable apple display and the number kept climbing

[gaunt comet]

100 nits is fairly bright in a pitch black room

when your eyes are adjusted

like theaters are usually 48 or 108 nits

[sturdy cloak]

pupil size matters too

[split river]

yes, but it's low key like visiting a planetarium

adjust to darkness enough and you see everything just fine

should we really need to sit and wait to adjust to darkness when watching a regular movie at home though?

in cinema I'm fine with that

it's a part of the experience

[sturdy cloak]

Movies theaters are too weak for me

[split river]

but at home - not the best UX

[sturdy cloak]

As you grow older, you start needing "assistance" for things, meaning extra juiced

[split river]

I haven't been to one ever since I got an OLED TV

[sturdy cloak]

ACES SDR is basically cinema grade

0.02 and 48 nits

[split river]

is it just my setup or enabling scanner in game breaks PsychoV EA in this build?

kinda feels like it goes into the same mode as with ship builder

hmmm, not always though, happened only on a bright planet

weird

[sturdy cloak]

Scanner and ship menu send a signal to not use histogram, but it's consistent, so it just holds previous I think

[next thistle]

off / on / hdr look /psychov

were you saying 30 might be too bright for this build or something down the line

chunky red blocks are volume fog. wish i knew how to make this a higher resolution.

looks particularly awful in motion

[next thistle]

meh think it was bVolumetricLightingUseAreaLights=1 which comes from an ini tweak fiesta. default is 0, just looks bad with it on. there are more settings but even after adjusting those, still looks bad.

[next thistle]

off / on / hdr look / psychov

[gaunt comet]

psycho looks nice

but I prefer low contrast overall

off but with 2.2 might look better

[next thistle]

lowering cone response kinda gets you somewhere in between

[gaunt comet]

I think I'd prefer like half strength lut scaling

or for lut scaling to account for gamma correction

[next thistle]

that is probably a better way to do it

[sturdy cloak]

I think accurate srgb (gamma correction off) is lifted up enough to give a vanilla like, but not nuked feel. But then it feels worse when comparing with default. But at least there no real black (0) lift.

[heavy mason]

If i use standard settings the brightness flips between bright and darker depending on where i aim at a moon (ground vs sky) for example. Psycho doesnt have this behaviour but I dont like the eye adaption. Any tips?

[split river]

should latest DLSS FG preset B be broken/incompatible with Reno?

(I'm on the latest build and a 40 series GPU)

basically any camera movement brightens every highlight to the max

setting Preset A or Latest Recommended in NVPI fixes this, but only until a restart because it falls back to B

[eager palm]

I had the same thing with preset b yea, it shouldn't be falling back to that though because the game doesn't use b by default

[split river]

I replaced the DLL to latest, hence weird fallback behavior

btw who knows what was the version of DLSS FG lib shipped with the free lanes update?

[eager palm]

Still shouldn't be forcing b unless you tell it to

They never updated any of the dlss stuff so it was still the same version

3.5.2 I think

[ocean mesa]

3.5.0 was included with the newest update.

I've been getting artifacts as well with FG and Reno so it must be Preset B then. Preset B should be fully supported according to Nvidia so it must just be the FG Reno interaction.

[turbid cloak]

I'm guessing this is a known issue but enabling Psycho-V causes my scanner to do this

[turbid cloak]

oh I missed that lol, will try it out right now

Oh that made it worse

[sturdy cloak]

AMD?

[turbid cloak]

Nvidia

if it matters this is also using DLSS FG Preset M

[thin parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shrooms-hit-shaq-humanharvest407-gif-22356842

[split river]

don't

[turbid cloak]

But I thought that was fixed now

[split river]

also, there is no FG preset M

only A and B

[split river]

why?

maybe I missed something idk

don't remember any such fixes

[turbid cloak]

The fix was for flickering I guess

[left halo]

I've still yet to encounter any VRAM issues using Preset M on my 5070 Ti.

[turbid cloak]

Yeah AFAIK the recent updates for reno in starfield that shortfuse pushed out fixed the flickering on the newer DLSS presets but I saw a couple of people complaining about VRAM leaks

I too have yet to run into it but I havent been playing for very long, though I've had the game open for the past 4 hours give or take and tabbing in and out a lot, nothing super out of the ordinary for me - besides that issue with the scanner from earlier.

That said it looks like it stopped happening to me for now?

[exotic fog]

the latest update also stopped working for me plus flickering going on

[exotic fog]

same

[mental elm]

looks nice 😊

[wide creek]

Yeah I was getting flickering with the pinned build on Preset M (no FG) on the RenoDRT tonemapper only, Psycho preset seemed to be working as intended.

[turbid cloak]

I havent been getting flickering per se with preset M on RenoDRT but rather the auto exposure... thing, kept going wild in some places while I was walking around New Atlantis

It's fine on Psycho-V though

I also dont know if that's a preset M issue or not because I didnt try to go back to 3.5.0 DLSS

[wide creek]

Yeah I guess it is more than just flickering in what I was seeing. the entire image was rapidly going form light-dark and weird stuff with shadows etc

definitely wasn't doing that on the old build I had loaded in the same area I was in, but the shaders did re-compile on this new build

only potential issue I noitced with Psycho was with how it interacted with the scanner in certain scenes which I saw someone (you) mention

but it wasn't that extreme for me

[turbid cloak]

yeah it became less extreme for me out of nowhere idk

[turbid cloak]

The screenshots I took just on the balcony on Dawn's Roost, in NA

[split river]

can confirm, preset M is fine, at least now

just tested it for a while, no issues like I had with L

lol, I jinxed it

got it again, after opening some menus

maybe alt tabbing had an effect too

[split river]

yeah, VRAM leak is definitely there with preset M, but happens later and less often, self-resolves more consistently, but play long enough and it will still tank FPS eventually

overall I'd say it's usable and playable, restarting the game may be needed only like once or twice a day

worth the better look

[onyx grove]

when I used it when the update dropped it's completely dependent on how much you use the menus

I opened up the steam overlay and just spam opened and closed the main menu and watched the VRAM skyrocket until it ran out after like 2 minutes

[willow egret]

Why does it look so streched out in 21:9? Do i have to increase the fov?

[sturdy cloak]

What do you mean by flickering?

[wide creek]

I don't have an easy video capture set up. But after loading into new Atlantis for it'll go from this to this in a frame:

and then it'll ook really instable like this for a bit or intil i move my camera in a certain direction

[sturdy cloak]

This is with vanilla auto exposure/adaptation?

[wide creek]

Yes, it actually remains if you turn "Off" reno but goes away once I go to the Psycho preset (which is all on default)

Hard to say if it was a coincidence, but it didn't seem to start until I activated Psycho for the first time. Maybe just a timing thing though because when I load in it looks normal for the first 5 seconds or so usually.

I'll load the old reno just to confirm it wasn't there on the old version

Totally stable on the old version

[sturdy cloak]

You mean it's broken with the Off setting?

[wide creek]

On that build yes, not on the old build though

I'll reload with the pinned build again to see if it still happens.

[turbid cloak]

I can try to record it with steam in a tiny bit just to see if it's the same thing he's talking about. But yes with RenoDRT and on preset M I'm getting this really weird fluctuation with the AE (i'm guessing thats what it is) in certain areas, basically flickering

and yeah it wasn't happening on the old build with the bundled dlss in game

[wide creek]

sounds the same to me

and switching back to the pinned build it was back

Def tied to auto exposure in some way though. Look at the ground usually "fixes" it. It is super dependent on what the camera is looing at.

I probably should mention that when I tried to do the Framegen option in the reno settings and relaunch the game just wouldn't launch at all for me. Had to deactivate it from the .ini for the game to launch again

[turbid cloak]

That's weird, it worked fine for me

[wide creek]

and I'm on the Microsoft version of the game.

which could be tied to the game not launching with that option enabled at least

[turbid cloak]

Steam recording but this is what's going on for me. Specifically it's the Vanilla eye adaptation that does it for me

@wide creek @sturdy cloak

also back at Dawn's Roost again, yeah the scanner thing is happening here still

gonna try to go back to the original DLSS files and see if it persists

Okay so uh, I'M NOT using Preset M here

apparently I never even toggled it on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1111125320234434612.webp?size=64&name=cope&lossless=true

so forget anything I said about preset M at all, here's a screenshot with the DLSS UI

And this scanner blowout also happens when FG is turned off as well btw

[split river]

it's a Bethesda game, you are going to open inventory/storages A LOT in any case

also, no, it doesn't require to open/close menuse consecutively

just play for a while and after Nth menu opening in a single gaming session it will trigger

at first it will get better after a couple seconds, but at some point it will stop recovering

[wide creek]

yeah I'd say that's the same issue. The area by the port/ship must have just had some factors making it really extreme, but the rapid change like that is the same

[turbid cloak]

I did also just experience the scanner blowout at the NA spaceport

so for the record: Perceptual adaptation causes the scanner blowout, and Vanilla adaptation causes the flickering

Frame gen has no impact on either

also Psycho-V causes some intense dimming as well so I'm just gonna rock Vanilla for now

[wide creek]

and you are right that it seems to be very specifically related to the vanilla eye adaption.

I didn't change that setting while having the psycho preset on initially, but just toggling that setting turns the issue on and off for me

Scanner blowout is a thing for me with the perceptual eye adaption but it is more subtle.

[turbid cloak]

Amended my statement here, yeah it's Perceptual adaptation (which is only available through having Psycho-V enabled)

[onyx grove]

yea, that was just me forcing the issue to figure out what it was, it will happen eventually over time just from playing the game naturally as you say, lot of menu stuff in a Bethesda game, but that's what triggers it as far as I can see, so if you have a session where you don't open the menu much you might not run into the issue in that session

[exotic fog]

I'm getting that same issue ^ @sturdy cloak

[exotic fog]

figure out what causes this and is there a workaround in the meantime?

[turbid cloak]

no workaround

gotta wait on fixes

or fall back to the older version

[exotic fog]

is there a link to older ver somewhere?

i dont recall ver # that worked

or rather, ver # that didnt have this issue

[turbid cloak]

I dont recall either

[wide creek]

I have the old one that still works but I'm not sure what the rules are for posting old builds

[exotic fog]

can you send in a DM?

[bitter hearth]

Anyone else get straight to CTD? I can open ReShade menu without RenoDX, but the moment it's installed I just CTD as soon as I open the ReShade menu, or if I don't it will crash within a minute or so

[turbid cloak]

no I haven't had that happen at all

and I run a decently heftily modded game

159 plugins

[bitter hearth]

I mean, yeah same. It's only this though, runs fine without the addon

Fixed it, lol

[turbid cloak]

what did you do?

[turbid cloak]

I guess we'll never know!

[sturdy cloak]

found what i broke

[sturdy cloak]

ah, was my new injection stuff. less flickering now

[mental elm]

does anyone use any shaders they can recommend to make it look "better"? i've never liked any reshade presets i've tried in the past so not really familiar with it all besides using reno. i just find sometimes the image can look a bit flat

[sturdy cloak]

Off / Default / HDR Look / PsychoV (30% AE)

[split river]

I tried some, but none look universally good, the game has too vast of a range of scenes for any reshade modder to test and take into account every single one
there will always be some scenes in this game that look worse with a reshade shader preset

just use Reno as is and mess around with it's sliders if you want some graphical changes

[sturdy cloak]

Fixed AE Off (don't know about performance this time)

[split river]

gonna test this rn

btw I just did a test of the VRAM leak with dlss 4.5

[mental elm]

does dlss 4.5 include the dynamic multi frame gen? i enabled the beta in nvidia app but the frame gen options say unsupported for starfield. you have to do it in profile inspector right?

[sturdy cloak]

i think so.

AE Max at 0% seems to be pretty vanilla for bright areas

[mental elm]

i know basic silly question but i've never been 100% sure. since using reno i deleted the luts included with the elfx mod, was that right? or does it not really matter

[sturdy cloak]

you generally don't want custom luts

they tend to remove all the color grading. renodx has its own lut processing

[sly bough]

does preset f cause the memory leak

[split river]

no, only M and L

[split river]

this ended abruptly cause I had a power outage

so, what I found is

if you open inventory enough times in a short span of time (not necessarily spamming it)

VRAM issue gets so bad that at first it stops loading textures

and then it just shows a literal broken mess of flashing glitches across the entire screen

like as if your VRAM chip would suddenly die

quite unexpected if I'm being honest

didn't expect such a low level catastrophic failure to present because of this bug

[split river]

FPS at that point goes to around 3-5 frames

but surprisingly the game somehow kinda keeps functioning

although you can't really see anything

but opening inventory again hides most of the glitches

cursor will be a square of random bright pixels though

[left halo]

I still can't replicate this bug with preset M.

[split river]

the easiest way is to spam inventory menu open/close

[cursive wind]

Same with Preset L on my 4090. Have been monitoring my VRAM usage during several hours long sessions, and tried forcing it by spamming all sorts of menus (inventory, map, planet, ship builder) and I have yet to encounter the bug. And that's with a rather aggressive memory overlock (+2500mhz) so I figure my setup should be sensitive to VRAM issues others have been reporting yet it's been really stable on my end. So not sure if preset M/L is really the culprit behind the VRAM leak others are experiencing.

[onyx grove]

FWIW I get the issue on a 5080... throwing darts at a board but maybe it's a weird 5000 series issue?

[split river]

I get the leak on a 4090

[split river]

it is 100% related to presets M and L

but maybe they are not the only reason

using any other DLSS preset completely solves this issue though

[split river]

do you play with the latest Reshade and RenoDX builds?

have you double checked via overlay if you actually have preset L engaged?

[split river]

we already had one case above when it turned out that someone who didn't have the leak actually played with a different preset, despite being sure it was M/L

enabling DLSS overlay via registry key is the only way to make sure

[split river]

thanks

do you play with any mods?

or completely vanilla?

[cursive wind]

Just the Unofficial Patch, StarUI and HD Overhaul.

[exotic fog]

@sturdy cloak (see video clip above) I have this issue with reno installed where theres a shimmering effect and a faint line in the middle of the screen (vertical) any ideas? ^

[split river]

what Windows version do you have?

[cursive wind]

Windows 11 25H2

[split river]

do you use RTSS (RivaTuner/Afterburner)?

[cursive wind]

Afterburner with only a memory oc

[woven comet]

the flickering problem still continues?? whith FG? and dlla activation?=

i have.. whith preset M and DLLA and FG on... for example inside the ships..

[split river]

I get this with DLSS FG preset B only

and for some reason the game falls back to it after each restart when using the latest FG version

no matter what I save in NVPI it rolls back next time

try forcing Preset A via NVPI and you should see no flickering

[exotic fog]

ok ill try ty!

[mental elm]

I never tested so this is just completely anecdotal but after moving to latest version from one a couple releases ago the frame time feels a bit off, also 50 series

using preset m

but nothing crazy

[sly bough]

do you have the brightness settings at defualt, in the ingame settings

[exotic fog]

so this didnt work for me but preset K did 🙂

[mental elm]

personally haven't touched game brightness except i think i put hdr brightness up? i think it was turned down by default

[mental elm]

ok think i had the vram leak issue also with the new version, after a couple hours playing. was just in ship builder, bit of alt tabbing and got the typical memory leak behaviour but fixed itself after a couple alt tabs

[split river]

DLSS Super Resolution and DLSS Frame Generation have different presets

the latest SR library has all the J, K, L, M ones (and a few others iirc)
the latest FG library contains only A and B

are you sure you tried setting specifically the Frame Generation preset to A? not Super Resolution preset

[mental elm]

hello, some of these particular lights in game are way bright for some reason which causes this weird adaptation. is this a me problem i can fix? happens with both vanilla and perceptual adaptation

[split river]

these are some pretty damn bright lights

works just like it would IRL

on this video it is bigger because of the fog/mist

but yeah, your eyes would totally do a wild adaptation swing if you looked directly at something like this in the middle of the night

not a bug, works as it should

[mental elm]

it feels a bit extreme tho still

behind your ship at the new atlantis port is similar

[split river]

feel free to adjust the sliders in Reno menu

[split river]

I keep trying different approaches but still get the leak

I tried running without SFSE and any mods (except Reno)

without Afterburner/RTSS

verified integrity of game files through steam

I still easily fill VRAM up to the very brim, all 24 gigs, and drop fps under 20 without recovering

all it takes is using preset L or M and opening inventory/containers around 50 times

@cursive wind do you use the latest drivers (596.21)?

Do you keep all the global and Starfield nvidia app settigns on defaults (other than the DLSS overrides) or you have some custom stuff like maybe Reflex/ULL settings or something?

and do you have ReBAR and HAGS enabled?

[woven comet]

I TRY this and same thing... the flickering still there xD on lights

[split river]

it literally says that you set preset A of DLSS Super Resolution

which is not what I suggested

DLSS Frame Generation presets are separate

leave DLSS SR at preset J/K/L/M whichever you prefer doesn't matter
!separately! set DLSS FG to preset A