The Witcher 3

[earnest rain]

now it's fucked again

idk what's wrong with the game

[cold basin]

Just wipe the entire thing Kek

And start from fresh

[earnest rain]

not sure what happend seem unstable when streaming espeically with obs

that and it not closing in the background was contributing

at one point obs was taking up 75% of my gpu just to stream a preview window to discord

seems to bug out with alt tabbing too

I still had some issues after reinstalling but it seems fine rn I even have way better fps

used to have like 50 fps

now it's like 80-100

after installing rt peformance mods and everything else

found this qol mod too it's sooo nice
https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/943

[chilly crest]

I used this too last year when I was replaying everything. 100% recommend it

[earnest rain]

Yeah mostly just have visual mods on besides the weight limit remover mod but I’m glad I saw it

[chilly crest]

I changed the code in "brothers in arm mod" to make all enemies to be 10 levels higher than your own level (I have forgotten how and don't have a backup :U). They had red skulls above them. It war really fun together with Death March, I even used "More Quick Slots (Potions Please Next-Gen)". But that is really it.

[earnest rain]

Crazy

That does not sound fun lol

[chilly crest]

I was bored of one shotting everyone and honestly, there is literally no reason to use any mutation if you are not playing death march. I wanted to try the mutations and etc. after so many years. It was an interessting experience but you have to dodge/parry a lot otherwise you can get 2/3-shot

[dry dagger]

Guys is the RTXGI unlocker necessary or I'm good to go with just the reno?

[rare scroll]

the only RT mod you would need, it has performance cost though
https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/8865

the rest are not worth it tbh they cause bugs

[dry dagger]

How big is the performance cost?

never mind it's in the page

[rare scroll]

worth it tbh specially for rt shadows

[rain creek]

I think you also forgot Ray Bleach (recommended even by Scoutbr0 himself)

[abstract tulip]

yeah ray bleach is great

https://www.nexusmods.com/witcher3/mods/8890

just finished clearing every single POI in the Skellige sea.. sold all the loot and exchanged all the coins I found and made 52K crowns

[slate forge]

ah yes, the worst named mod (that is useful) of all time

[rain creek]

Do you use the filmic Reno preset here or is it a lighting mod?

[abstract tulip]

The default

[shell kernel]

Why does the sun look glaring blooming and unnatural in HDR?

[stark anvil]

I’m tethered to the original bloom/glare behavior, which isn’t built for full HDR so I have to simulate the original tone map for it.

That said I’m not too sure what the problem is in this shot?

[hollow burrow]

wish someone managed to mod in support for newer streamline so FG above x2 works

[cold basin]

Yeah nah that won’t be happening I’m pretty sure, seems like something that would require some engine side changes

[gilded marten]

Holy, this game is gorgeous!

[vernal temple]

Hi everyone, apologies if this isn't the correct place to post this. I have witcher 3 complete edition on the PS5. I know RenoDX is not possible for consoles.

With that said, what in game values would y'all recommend for HDR? I'm on an Alienware QD OLED, and I usually play in True black 400 mode. I set peak brightness as 400 and game brightness at 120-150 usually when I am using RenoDX.

[earnest rain]

pretty sure you're just better off using SDR

[vernal temple]

Ah okay 👍 that's what I was thinking too. Thanks!

[stark anvil]

Nah you should use HDR still. The game just doesn’t get very bright often but you get benefits from the HDR.

Set paper white to preference. I wish I could remember how peak scales in this game, but it’s rare the game will push very high regardless. Maybe set peak something like 50% higher than your real peak (I’m assuming it compresses more than it should for what the “real” peak value is for the game).

The HDR will be fairly noticeable in kaer morhen and Skellige.

[abstract tulip]

Paper white 500 gang

[patent raft]

With the vanilla HDR implemention Peak Brightness value always scales with the Paper White value.

I measured different PW values with 1500 nits Peak Brightness and got these values
PW 100 → ~273 nits
PW 200 → ~546 nits
PW 300 → ~814 nits
PW 400 → ~1084 nits
PW 500 → ~1353 nits

Approximate formula
Peak Brightness ≈ 2.6987 × PW + 4.30

Also do not forget that Paper White scale HUD brightness too

For example for my TB400 monitor which peaks at 460 nits I need to set 170 PW to get 460 nits peak brightness with vanilla HDR

[rain creek]

This

[rain creek]

Just because your monitor is Vesa 400 True Black certified doesn't mean it reaches 400 nits peak brightness. Often times it's actually significantly higher. Post the model number and I'll see if I can check it for you.

[stark anvil]

Peak is highly scene dependent, their tone map parameters are dynamic with wildly different targets.

But the game was originally built to clip so there’s not a ton of harm in cranking it tbh

[rain creek]

Interesting. When I set up my settings back in the day for the PS5, I used GamingTech's video for help as well as this website:
https://www.hdrgamer.com/2022/04/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-ps4-hdr-settings.html
I have an LG C2 OLED (roughly 800 nits peak brightness) and came up with the following settings:

Peak brightness: 1500
Paperwhite: 440

It works fine and looks good to the eye, though the average picture brightness is a bit much tbh

But since you mention that peak is highly scene dependent, I wonder if GamingTech's recommended settings were even reasonable at all, since he seemed to mostly test sunny days in White Orchard and Velen. Not a great representative sample potentially.

[patent raft]

I checked mine with colorimeter , but thanks anyway

[rain creek]

Good, then you know your peak nits value, but I was responding to @vernal temple

In his case it might be different

[patent raft]

I misread quote target, bruh

[rain creek]

I know for a fact that certain TB400 laptop screens can reach 1000 nits peak easily

Also tested with calibration equipment

[rain creek]

np

[stark anvil]

It’s not something someone would understand unless they were familiar with the code

And how tonemappers work

[night yarrow]

he just doesnt know anything about anything

native hdr is essentially sdr in hdr

with hdr post processing

so you have to increase the paper white to some ridiculous value to get bright "highlights" (technically they arent even highlights)

[rain creek]

Yeah, I figured.

I still like him though, he does offer some help, especially for console users.

But that's very entry level and obviously you get superb quality with RenoDX on PC.

[vernal temple]

Hi @rain creek ! I have an Alienware AW2725D. (Not the F version)

[rain creek]

Well then you have two options:

1. The HDR True Black 400 mode gives you up to roughly 460 nits of peak brightness but much more consistent and uniform average brightness (the ABL - Automatic Brightness Limiter - doesn't kick in so often).

2. The HDR Peak 1000 gives you (as the name suggests) 1000 nits of peak brightness on small highlights, but potentially less consistent average brightness. This is because the heat generated by very bright content in specular highlights might engage ABL to dim the rest of the image.

My only recommendation would be to try both of the modes for yourself and see which one you like better. I've never tested such things in person, because I only have an OLED TV, which probably behaves more like your "HDR Peak 1000" mode, though mine has ~800 nits maximum. I never notice any aggressive ABL and I love the high brightness in small spots, so that's the mode I would perhaps gravitate more towards.

Just remember to calibrate with the in-game sliders to take advantage of each mode's capabilities. As mentioned before, I used two sources (HDR Gamer and GamingTech) to come up with my own settings, and it looks as good as it can on consoles in my opinion.

based on that, you can set the "HDR Peak 1000" mode to:

Max Monitor Brightness: 1000-1500 (doesn't seem to matter that much, though I would max it out)
Paper White: 500

and "True Black 400" to:

Max Monitor Brightness: here it's a bit of a guesswork, but theoretically values between 500-1500 should all give the same results, because the slider is borked (I would probably stick to values above 1000 or just max it out, just to be on the safe side).
Paper White: 250

Now, please keep in mind that this is NOT apples-to-apples comparison. The main difference you're gonna see is the average game brightness being different due to a different Paper White setting. There is no perfect solution here, since Peak Brightness is tethered to Paper White in the Witcher 3's vanilla HDR (and it shouldn't be). This is why I would probably go with using "HDR Peak 1000" mode and the corresponding in-game settings if I were you.

Ideally, if you wanted to compare "HDR Peak 1000" and "HDR True Black 400" scientifically, you would have to choose a different game than The Witcher 3, one that has actually good native HDR, or play on PC with the RenoDX mod. Then you would only change the peak brightness slider to ~1000 nits and ~440-460 nits for each mode respectively, keeping the rest the same or very similar and that would give you a more accurate, apples-to-apples comparison.

And also don't worry about the naming here - the "HDR Peak 1000" mode is just as "True Black" as the other "TB400" profile. The naming of the latter is just a name for the VESA standard, which requires certain sustained full screen brightness values.

Sources mentioned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cILfAk8fU

https://www.hdrgamer.com/2022/04/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-ps4-hdr-settings.html

One last note: @patent raft's measurements seem to be different than those sources though, so maybe someone else here has better input as to what would be the optimal choice for you.

[patent raft]

I measured sun in Kaer Morhen prologue

[rain creek]

Yeah, that might be the scene dependency Jon talked about. Idk, the Vanilla HDR is such a mess to be honest

[vernal temple]

@rain creek thanks for the detailed info! I prefer the TB400 mode, because I feel like it is more consistent. However, I always set peak brightness in KDE HDR Calibration as well as RenoDX to 400 for all games assuming it is what the monitor can do max in that mode. now that you have mentioned my monitor can do 460 nits, I will try setting it to that number going forward.

[hollow burrow]

Is there no way for modders to make the game accept newer versions of streamline so we can use MFG?

cant believe game is gonna stay gimped like this

[split wigeon]

Nope, no way to upgrade SL 1.x games
Only solution would be to do another implementation using SL 2.x, OptiScaler will get there in the near future (taking just an Upscaler input and getting DLSSG output using its own set of SL files to use)

[hollow burrow]

interesting, how close is that to being a real thing?

[split wigeon]

Like "compile-it-yourself-to-check" close 😜 (well if it's still clonable, might have gone private because too many did or used it then asked for support)

No idea when it will be deemed stable enough and other features to be ready for that branch to get a release tho

[abstract tulip]

ngl I quite like the better vanilla changes mod

after spending a lot of time in Skellige and then going back to Novigrad I realized just how oversaturated it looks in comparison. And the mod tones it down a notch without altering the look too much.

[dapper dirge]

Would you consider adding the toggle for SDR EOTF simulation (basically target gamma)? Cyberpunk has one which can toggle between on/off or only applies to UI

I use my custom color profile created via color control app which targets power gamma 2.2 already so it's crushed black sometimes while inside, if I could apply to only UI or fully off it'd be great

[stark anvil]

The game natively encodes with the correct gamma. It seems silly to add considering that.

You could work around it with reshade fx if you don’t want to disable the profile.

[dapper dirge]

I guess I'll have to make do with turning down Contrast to like 45, not ideal or accurate by any means but that's that

[woven yacht]

https://youtu.be/0bHuFEVYZMA?si=r3K3MscGvmx0JVPk

Witchers it's tiiiiimeeee!

[stark anvil]

I have ideas for a v4.0

It would be a unified solution that nukes all the hue correction sat correction bullshit

[cold basin]

[rose whale]

Sounds great

[clever jacinth]

Guys i am using the recommended preset but for some reason my game looks washed out does anybody have a good preset?

This is what it looks like for me

I do have mods like New Clouds and Lighting/ Weather Mods installed can that be the cause?

[stark anvil]

it should be compatible with weather mods, should just look like the weather mod but in HDR. I predominately designed the mod around vanilla weather however.

[clever jacinth]

Hm weird maybe i need to play around with the settings a bit

[stark anvil]

tbh your screenshot doesn't look like anything is wrong, just looks like most of the weather mods in terms of desaturation. What's your point of reference for this btw? Are you comparing the SDR mode of your monitor with the HDR mode or is it HDR before and after reno?

[clever jacinth]

Yeah i am comparing SDR without renodx with HDR with Renodx. SDR looks way more colorful do you know how i could tweak the settings a bit to get a more sdr/ colorful look because i am a complete noob

UPDATE: The "Problem Completely solved itself now. I dont know how but Game Looks Perfect now Thanks for your amazing work!

[rugged nest]

Puredark just updated Witcher 3 streamline lul https://www.patreon.com/posts/witcher3-dlss4-157627648

Shame that its paid, I subbed for the KCD2 FG mod and it didnt fucking work with HDR lol

[cold basin]

yeahh his stuff often uses custom reshade builds as well which arent compatible with reno

[rugged nest]

I even tried the KCD one without reno but HDR is capped to 1K nits and was crashing on me so...

I will ask for a refund xD

But hopefully someone could one day do the same not paid and Reno compatible

[cold basin]

yeah i kinda stopped caring about his stuff

huutaiii does similar mods but not as many

and hes always been open to considering reno when i asked him, like for his sekiro mod

or elden ring

[rugged nest]

Don’t know him. Does he have a KCD mod? Where can I check his work

[cold basin]

nah no kcd i think

[rugged nest]

😔😔😔

[cold basin]

hes got some souls games, persona games, monsterhunter world

[rugged nest]

Doesn’t have a lot sadly

The silent hill f one is nice tho

I guess I’ll just play KCD 2 capped to 60 like a console pleb

[cold basin]

yeah hes also been inactive for like 5 months

only came back like a few weeks ago

[rugged nest]

Oh nice. Hope he makes some more cool mods

I hate to live without FG nowadays

[cold basin]

real

[tall merlin]

tried sending this earlier but discord seemed to be down on mobile for me

[rugged nest]

Yeah it was down for a while

[rugged nest]

It’s so silly KCD doesn’t have it

[tall merlin]

suggested to my friend who knows puredark to tell him to work on compatibility for renodx and hdr

dont mind paying for the mods but the compatibility should bw there imo especially given theyre both more or less currently for enthusiasts

there is overlap

[rugged nest]

And specially when his native HDR alternative is capped to 1000 nits

Thats just bad

[hollow burrow]

what happened cuz it used to work when the reno mod first came out around the game's release

[fervent osprey]

he scammed the skyrim community and double dipped too. when he consolidated the fsr and dlss builds and added mfg he demanded people pay again

[fervent osprey]

when you're already paying money for a mod, the mod should be of good quality and have compatibility

[rugged nest]

No idea

[cold basin]

Yeah I saw that… bro that guy made millions he should just do it for free at this point or just fuck off from modding and enjoy his life

Like even now he’s making 25 grand a MONTH

[rugged nest]

And I’m asking him for help on the KCD mod and he’s like “someone got it working a few days ago, skill issue”

Thats it. LOL

Thats an answer I can understand with free stuff. But if its a paid service cmon man. sloppy HDR implementation, authentication bullshit, shitty support… I shouldn’t have paid him shit

[split wigeon]

Soon you'll be able to do that with OptiScaler

Actually you already could if compiling 0.10 builds yourself but not officially supported yet since in testing phase

Imo way better than PD's paid Reshade based slop

[rugged nest]

Oh shit that’s huge

[rugged nest]

It is slop indeed

No way to use Nvidia FG with opti on KCD 2 tho right?

[split wigeon]

With 0.10, yes, if the game has an Upscaler

[rugged nest]

Man. I need 0.10

[split wigeon]

But it's also possible with huutaii's mods

[rugged nest]

They are universal?

[split wigeon]

Although all that is still being tried out

Not that I know of

[rugged nest]

Then he doesn’t seem to have a KCD mod

[split wigeon]

But Opti would take a modded in upscaler input and go from there (like with Luma in UE although the dx11 barrier limits what can be done a lot)

[rugged nest]

KCD 2 is dx12 no?

[split wigeon]

Dunno, never touched either

[rugged nest]

I think it is yeah

So the opti stuff it’s just in early beta right?

[split wigeon]

Just unreleased dev builds

If the branch is public tho, you could compile it yourself

[rugged nest]

Gotcha. Seems like I’ll have to wait a while. I don’t want to install a dev build that’s not release ready tbh. I imagine it could easily cause issues

[rugged nest]

I have absolutely no idea how to do that

[split wigeon]

It changes a few things tho like having Opti specific files in a subfolder (streamline files most notably for DLSSG output)

And yes it supports (D)MFG

[rugged nest]

Yeah makes sense

[rugged nest]

Even for 4000 series? No right?

[split wigeon]

Nah

But you could use Artur's DLSS Enabler 4 (custom FSR MFG within Streamline) in "headless mode" (doing just MFG) and use 0.10 like this

OptiFG input (upscaler) => DLSSG => Artur's MFG

[rugged nest]

Thats nice for when it’s needed! Most times I would just use Nvidias FG at x2 with this new build probably

Other FG always produce notably worse results for me

[split wigeon]

Worth giving Artur's a try honestly

It even has an hybrid mode

Mixing DLSSG and his FSR MFG

[rugged nest]

I might yeah. Gotta wait for that opti build tho

[split wigeon]

No no

DLSS enabler is standalone and out already

[rugged nest]

OH

[split wigeon]

It's built on Opti 0.7 stable

[rugged nest]

So opti 0.7 includes this?

[split wigeon]

No 😅

[rugged nest]

Hahahahshshs man I’m dense for this today

[split wigeon]

Should have said on top of

[rugged nest]

Could you please share a link for this? I’ll take it from there

[split wigeon]

DLSS Enabler 4 on Nexus mods 😉

[rugged nest]

OH

I tried this in cyberpunk

The UI was mega garbled

[split wigeon]

Cyberpunk has no separate hudless + hud resources so gotta interpolate the whole thing, recently improved a lot but still not perfect ofc

[rugged nest]

Dunno if KCD would be different. I guess I can still try

[split wigeon]

If kcd doesn't have dlssg natively, can't use enabler

[rugged nest]

It had just SR DLSS

[split wigeon]

Unless it's one of those rare games with streamline but no dlssg, then it's possible to use forced dlssg but that's getting far out 😅

[rugged nest]

Yeah no, no streamline

[split wigeon]

Then nope, only Opti 0.10 + DE headless would be possible

[rugged nest]

I see. I’ll wait for that then

[split wigeon]

Worth it 😊

[rugged nest]

I mean I might be finished with the game by the time that comes out hahahaha but still that’s gonna be handy for future occasions

[split wigeon]

Totally, I'm holding on The Ascent to do MFG in it this way

Damn, just realized it's Jon's tw3 channel...
Sorry for the

[smoky otter]

So is this not compatible with Reno?

[rugged nest]

Most likely not

And puredark seems not helpful at all so I would just say f him tbh. Paid service with 0 support

[smoky otter]

Dang. I paid lol

[rugged nest]

Rip, hope it works for you or you lost 5€ like me xD

[smoky otter]

Well more frames over HDR but yeah. It'd be nice to have both.

[tall merlin]

I disagree, but everyone has their own opinion

Still cant imagine taking framegen over hdr tbh especially cuz i could just use lsfg if i realllyy wanted it

[smoky otter]

Frames impact gameplay. HDR does not.

Cyberpunk would make me reconsider but Witcher isn't exactly an HDR showcase

[tall merlin]

Its stunning in hdr, in my opinion. i see your point i just disagree

id rather just lower my internal resolution using dlsstweaks or something and adjust to a lower fps

2x fg is good too, i use it

[split wigeon]

HDR is single biggest gameplay upgrade imo, better scene legibility = better gameplay = better experience

More FPS is a luxury, HDR is a necessity

[smoky otter]

For anyone wondering, PureDark's DLSS mod works just fine with Reno

[rugged nest]

That’s nice. Do you notice any improvement?

[smoky otter]

Worth it for MFG. Paired with Reno and a couple dozen mods this is now the definitive version.

[rugged nest]

What about frame pacing and overall feel of FG. I can’t use MFG so I’m mostly interested in the x2

[hollow burrow]

If you can't use MFG then why are you even asking, the game has FG

The point of the mod was upgrading streamline to support MFG

[smoky otter]

Yeah 2x is natively supported

[rugged nest]

The native streamline is 1.0 and has very poor quality

[hollow burrow]

totally irrelevant

[rugged nest]

Not true lol

[abstract tulip]

what does this mod do exactly?

[rugged nest]

Updates the ancient streamline for better FG and DFG/MFG in 5000 series

Dunno how well it works myself tho

[smoky otter]

PureDark says in his server to not bother with his mod unless you want MFG

Not a good sales pitch if there's a benefit for non MFG users too

What does streamline actually matter for 2x? Fewer artefacts?

[rugged nest]

It’s not guaranteed but it can improve the quality of FG. Specially cause Witcher uses 1.0 streamline which is ancient

It could have better latency and frame pacing mainly. Quality should be pretty similar. But it would need testing. Might not improve much in this game. In other games updating streamline has improved FG feel by quite a bit in the past for me

[hollow burrow]

source: trust me bro

[rugged nest]

Sure mate

Here you have some info if you want to educate yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/3owE8vL9o5

10 extra fps in forbidden west by just upgrading streamline 😉

14 extra in Forza horizon 5 but yeah. I guess I’m talking out of my ass 😜

[hollow burrow]

that's from the upgraded FG model, not streamline

[rugged nest]

Read the post properly please

[hollow burrow]

so what, this just suggests that games with older streamline weren't able to use the transformer FG

"The framerate increase will depend on the game, output resolution and only if you're GPU limited: compared to the old CNN model, the Transformer model can generate up to 15% more frames, further improving the smoothness in games like Alan Wake 2 or Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl at 4K when the CNN and Transformer models are compared directly, while at 1440p and 1080p resolutions the uplift in framerate is usually below 10%. "

[rugged nest]

That’s why I said Witcher 3 could benefit

And it depends on the game

But yeah source trust me 😉

[hollow burrow]

it's a slight improvement to framerate, not framepacing

[rugged nest]

Sure man. I just gave you the facts. Do with them what you will

[split wigeon]

Nvidia's own changelogs for the Streamline SDK did mention pacing improvements at some point (for dlssg, it's entirely on streamline, not dlssg)

As for performance, can't really take a reddit post with screenshots as a reliable bench to go with but if there's any, enjoy

[rugged nest]

Yeah I just couldn’t find any more solid info from my phone atm

But I know for a fact it can improve FG overall in all metrics. But it’s game dependent

[hollow burrow]

the performance increase is from the switch to transformer FG and it was officially announced and shown by Nvidia over a year ago

[rugged nest]

NTE is another example of a recently released game where updating streamline dramatically improves FG

[hollow burrow]

there should be an option to globally upgrade all the libraries

[split wigeon]

It's called the driver override

It will load and use all OTA'd dlssg and sl dlls instead of a game's own

[rugged nest]

I use ranks dlss swapper fork

[hollow burrow]

then it seems like a non issue if you're already doing that

[rugged nest]

And manually update what I want updated

[split wigeon]

It only works in whitelisted titles tho

[rugged nest]

No one said it was an issue, except in Witcher 3 where you can’t do that due to the really old streamline which can’t be normally upgraded

[split wigeon]

Can't be upgraded period

[rugged nest]

Well yeah. Till the pure dark mod

[split wigeon]

Still not upgrading

[rugged nest]

It’s not an upgrade even? WTF is it then

[split wigeon]

It's just using another set of SL files and isn't using anything native dlssg

[rugged nest]

Ohhhhhhhhhh I see

[split wigeon]

It's the usual adding FG to a game that doesn't have it

Except TW3 has it but SL1

So it's like OptiFG but using reshade

[rugged nest]

Meh

[hollow burrow]

did optiscaler already add the option to add dlss fg to any game

[rugged nest]

Then it probably won’t be a huge upgrade other than MFG indeed I’d imagine

[split wigeon]

Not yet, 0.10 will but it's not ready yet

[rose whale]

Enabling Mutlicolor Fog can make such a big difference

[rugged nest]

Multicolor fog?

[rose whale]

Setting FogUseDistInColorLerp to 2

in the userdx12 ini

[rugged nest]

Interesting. Thanks for the share!

[abstract tulip]

I'll try it out as well

[steady moat]

Optiscaler is working on upgrading Streamline v1 and games without Streamline to Streamline v2. It's not official yet and I can't get it work with preview builds, but hopefully it works when they release it.

[slate forge]

If you are using the DLSS override stuff form the NV app it does update at least some of the Streamline files as well btw.

[spice yacht]

Thank you for this tip! It really does make a huge difference at sunset/sunrise. I’m confused why this isn’t enabled by default

[rare scroll]

i think i know why cdpr went with first person in 2077
https://youtu.be/A4okqXF_30I

looks insane

the only thing i don't like about first person in general is it kinda sucks when playing with a controller

[rose whale]

I think Skyrim does it really well. I only use first person when I collect stuff or shoot with an arrow otherwise 3rd person. So you can have it both ways by just clicking the left stick

[steady moat]

Not with Streamline v1 games (there's only a handful).

[rugged nest]

It can be done right. KCD 2 for example is pretty nice with controller

KCD 1 was horrible tho

[rugged nest]

Man imagine this + VR

Not for combat tho I would puke with VR combat

[pallid falcon]

Wow

[woven yacht]

https://x.com/thewitcher/status/2059560461872373812?s=46

The Witcher (@thewitcher)

Medallion's humming... that can only mean one thing! It's time to announce The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Songs of the Past! ⚔️

This brand new expansion for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt will take you to the Path with Geralt of Rivia once more. It’s being co-developed with @Fools_Theory

X · May 27, 2026, 9:00 AM

OMG!!!!

I can’t believe it’s happening!!!!

@stark anvil

[rare scroll]

🔥

[stray sequoia]

omg

no way

They're ending DX11 support with the DLC

so i assume we will see other upgrades

[rare scroll]

path tracing

[stray sequoia]

oof

[rare scroll]

hopefully

[rugged nest]

I actually don’t know if I should wait to play the expansions till the new expansion drops cause of the potential optimizations it might bring

Playing Dx12 Witcher 3 now is a PAIN

[fervent osprey]

Maybe the game will finally not be cpu bottlenecked on a 9800x3d

[foggy gate]

current RT runs like PT already

[rugged nest]

Not a chance lol

[fervent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rest-lazy-laying-bed-gif-20013578

[abstract tulip]

I wonder if they've updated the engine to whatever version Cyberpunk uses

also I'm kinda glad it's not coming too soon so I have plenty of time to finish my current run lol

[naive bramble]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DY1q1MoPpfG/?igsh=MW82cjY5Z3Bvd2ZpeQ==

[rugged nest]

Probably not

That would be A LOT of work

[rugged nest]

I would like it to come soon just for the potential perf optimizations that might come with it lol

[abstract tulip]

true but it's gonna break all my mods

[rugged nest]

Yeah that’s for sure

[woven yacht]

U gotta wait cause they will do some graphical update 100%

[stark anvil]

WOOOOOO

[woven yacht]

they updated the minimum specs too related to this DLC

[rugged nest]

You think so?

[woven yacht]

Jon it’s time for Psychov pls! 🙏

[rugged nest]

I suppose I could do the 3 expansions at once when they release and take advantage of the potential technical improvements. But I’m not too hopeful on that front lol

[woven yacht]

we gotta wait for HD Reworked update too from Halk

[rugged nest]

Nah that I’m ok on not waiting

I’m just really annoyed at this running like cyberpunk max out but with old streamline on top

I start playing and I’m like oof

[woven yacht]

@cold basin bro where u at? 👀

[stark anvil]

Sounds like engine improvements might be coming so idk if I want to work on it until that

[rugged nest]

You really think they would “waste” time on that for a dead engine?

[woven yacht]

I mean let’s do it when we’ll get to know please!

[stark anvil]

I might have to see how the game looks if I run the tonemapper in LMS though

[woven yacht]

bruh they are wasting the time for a DLC with an external team, so yes they very well might update it after all!

[rugged nest]

The dlc is marketing for the 4th. Having the engine not shit itself on pc is not really marketing. They are gonna sell the same

[woven yacht]

There is no way they don’t update the engine for the DLC, even if it’s related to the DLC only. The same was done for Blood and Wine.

[rugged nest]

A man can dream but I’m not getting my hopes up

I really hope they do

Currently it’s just awful to boot this game in dx12 and it’s a huge shame

[woven yacht]

Indeed

[rugged nest]

Oh this is good!

No wait. It doesn’t specifically say better performance

It just says if you have crappy hardware they no longer support it lol

But I guess if they are nuking dx11 they will make extra sure dx12 runs well (?)

[woven yacht]

Running better I don’t know, but graphical improvements are certain

[rugged nest]

Mmmm I mean it will be modern assets so yeah probably. But I wouldn’t expect improvements outside the expansion itself

[slate forge]

I agree I'd be shocked if they didn't

If there is one studio that would it would be CDPR anyway (although even through Basic QA I think it'd be obvious some pretty major changes are necessary)

Imagine if it was a Full DX12 port and they added Cyberpunk's PT. That'd be incredible.

that won't happen, but still

[cold basin]

AYO WHAAAAT

https://tenor.com/view/crying-dolphin-animated-tears-gif-4624487

[rugged nest]

If they didn’t kill the engine I would agree. But it’s a dead engine at this point. They are not gonna waste time and money in updating it

[slate forge]

"The game will exclusively run using DirectX 12, which allows us to support ongoing technical improvements and modern hardware more effectively."

They already confirmed they are to some extent though. Just a question of if it just bug fixes or a bit more

I think considering this is a full Expansion they will probably sell for 30-40$ and expect to sell millions of copies of almost nothing is totally out of the question.

But I'd just be happy with just basic improvements and bug fixes on the technically front. Which is obviously the most likely thing.

[cold basin]

I mean giving full Path tracing when RT is already in the game shouldn’t be much work at all

And I’m sure they know the game as of right now runs kinda ass

Like RT is running like Cyberpunk PT

[sharp gorge]

Really hope that dlc fixes the vrr flickering this game has

[slate forge]

yeah it's crazy, I've always seen people say that the current version runs some type of Frankenstein version of DX12 that is really just DX11 with a DX12 layer on top of it or something. Idk how true that actually is, but if they actually are doing a full DX12 implementation (which would make sense to me why DX11 is just gone now) I do think PT is on the table but I don't want to get my hopes up.

[stark anvil]

it's not true thankfully

it's ass all on its own

[slate forge]

makes sense, it always seemed weird to me but I saw it all the time on forums etc.

[stark anvil]

yeah it was cause of a dll in the files or w/e

but people that spent some time looking at how the game works said it's not using it

[cold basin]

Just cap your shid properly?

I did a 450h playthrough from November through February or so with virtually 0 Flicker

[slate forge]

I had some flickering when I pushed out draw distances too far it and was causing bad 1% lows, I just wasn't as greedy with my settings and 99% of it went away

[stray sequoia]

I had pretty distracting VRR flicker in witcher too

[rugged nest]

FYI Blood and wine was sold at 20€

[rugged nest]

Yeah same, its the main thing making it unplayable for me

I cant hit 60 without FG and VRR is flickery

[rugged nest]

I dont really think it will, but praying. Cyberpunk is the same for me so...

[rugged nest]

Oh, interesting, I might try this

[sharp gorge]

Any advice on what to use I tried rtss async, using fg 2x, disabling reflex etc but the game flickers anyways. Only game on my pc that flickers.

[rugged nest]

Async is poopoo. Try front edge, but it will likely still flicker

I couldnt get rid of it with any cap

Probably disabling RT would fix it

[cold basin]

Since stream line is kinda cooked you can’t cap with anything but the NVIDIA driver when using FG

[sharp gorge]

yea idk why invictus is acting like its not a problem with the game itself

[rugged nest]

He might not have it and you do, its not universal. Depends on each PC and system configs

[sharp gorge]

the dx12 flickering is pretty common from what ive seen

[rugged nest]

But If you have it I have no idea how to get rid of it. When I get flicker in a game i just disable gsync if I can or deal with it

[cold basin]

It’s just the ancient streamline that breaks most fps cap methods

[rugged nest]

You shouldnt get flicker even without capping in a game that runs well

[cold basin]

Originally when FG first came out you weren’t able to use caps at all

It’s just how FG was when it launched

[sharp gorge]

I dont cap with fg tho cuz reflex does it lol

[cold basin]

..

Reflex cap isn’t exactly known for its smooth frametimes bro

Cap it with driver under what reflex will do

[rugged nest]

The theory that capping gets rid of flicker is not true in my experience. I can have rock solid frames with a good capping method and the game will still flicker. Applies to several games

[cold basin]

And cap it somewhere you can hold 99.9% of the time

[cold basin]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[rugged nest]

Nah I´ve troubleshooted this in the past with many people and I made sure I was doing it right

[sharp gorge]

There are games where the frametime graph is perfectly flat with a cap and there is still vrr flicker this is one of them

[rugged nest]

KCD 2 is also another one for me

[cold basin]

Because you’re using wrong metrics to access them

Rtss overlay isn’t good

Use capframeX with the display times measurement and find a cap that way

I have no flicker in pretty much all games

You do you tho, stay flickering

[sharp gorge]

like I said only game that flickers on muh pc

[rugged nest]

Yeah for me its not every game either, just a few select ones

[rugged nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgzPXy8YYJw You use this as an overlay then?

[cold basin]

Nah

I don’t want any overlays when playing lol

[rugged nest]

You can assign them to a hotkey to check. That´s what I do

I aint tabbing in and out to check performance

[cold basin]

I just capture a bench a few times to see which caps works

[slate forge]

one must adjust for inflation (I kinda espect a Phantom liberty price, but you never know with them)

[rugged nest]

Ahhh gotcha

[rugged nest]

Yeah I´d expect 30

[cold basin]

And then when k find the best one I just see what fps cap value is sensible

Ideally it’s something that works in the heaviest areas of the game

So say like some forest

In Witcher

Those slam hard with RT

I played with like 80-90fps cap with FG which worked surprisingly well

I couldn’t get any external cap but the NVIDIA driver to work decently

[rugged nest]

I could try the driver cap I guess

[cold basin]

Rtss caused crazy latency for me and occasional hard stutters

[rugged nest]

But in other games i´ve tried stuff like relimiter and it would still flicker no matter how low the cap went

[cold basin]

Haven’t used relimiter much yet, especially not the latest revisions

Last time I messed around was like march where I still preferred DC for FG games

[slate forge]

Also, DLSS 5 Yennefer doesn't exist she can't hurt you..

[rugged nest]

I also tried DC back in the day and same. Like I said no matter the capping method if a game flickers for me I havent been able to solve it by capping

I do have a newer CPU now so maybe I could re test this

[cold basin]

Driver cap was pretty much flawless for me

Good latency no flicker

[slate forge]

"Another thing is that it is our goal to always push and expand the limits of what we can offer you technically and visually. This means we need the latest graphics drivers in our actively developed games. And soon one of our partners, Nvidia, will end Windows 10 support."

From an official response about Windows 10 support (it just isn't officially supported but should still work), but does seem to confirm significant technical improvements being involved.

[unreal badge]

OMG OMG OMG
(I was Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever until now)

[abstract tulip]

https://fixupx.com/HazzadorGamin/status/2060038819546841595

HazzadorGamin, Dragon of Dojima (@HazzadorGamin)

Q/A on Witcher 3 Redstreams
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︀︀• Cross Platform Mod still coming
︀︀• New expansion hint - Belleteyn
︀︀• Expansion will be a similar scope to Blood and Wine
︀︀• More in game Gwent cards
︀︀• Info on Geralt 3 Swords will be shared later
︀︀• No mention of Switch 2 version
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FixupX · May 28, 2026, 4:41 PM

Expansion will be a similar scope to Blood and Wine

we will be feasting

[twin apex]

ive only done one full playthrough plus dlc was gonna come back to play fully modded plus reno but guess i should wait now. Path tracing may be challenging on this game with all the foilage

I would bet it won't be added but who knows with CDPR

for wotcher 4 they have specific tech to run PT well with all the trees. Remember how heavy PT is in alan wake 2 forest?

[earnest rain]

Nanite foliage

[rugged nest]

Theres 0 chance they will add PT to Witcher 3 cmon lets be real

Be thankful if they even fix the crappy RT that we have now

[radiant radish]

I must be one of the only person to not be happy about the new DLC. I couldn't finish my game because of a bug at the very end of blood and wine but since I was really at the end of the game I convinced myself it was not that bad but now.... 🥺

[abstract heart]

my only worry for it ironically is, because B&W was so good and such a perfect ending to W3 that if this expansion isn't better than B&W it will make that expansion slightly worse 🤷‍♀️

[rare scroll]

oh yeah true

but i want more w3 so bad, getting this dlc after 11 years is a miracle 😭

[rugged nest]

I mean you can always start a new game for the DLCs

It’s not that tragic

Tho it does suck

[radiant radish]

I know but it's not the same I played for nearly 300 hours with "my" Gerald, I unlocked everything, I just had the last quest to finish. I don't want to play with an "empty" character

[carmine quarry]

Hi there, I downloaded the .addon64 file from rhi. the game looks terrible now? is there something I'm missing?

[stark anvil]

it definitely shouldn't look like that. Try using the pinned build here instead maybe.

here

[carmine quarry]

looks much better thanks

[dapper dirge]

This build is from January and is much older than the latest snapshot on github, almost half the size even. Is it truly the most recent and/or best build? Nexusmod is even older than that I believe

[stark anvil]

Yes, it hasn’t been updated since then in a functional sense.

Apparently a hue/chrominance processor broke at some point which is what those artifacts were. Anything wide color gamut was breaking.

[dry dagger]

I don't think reno, or HDR even is working here, this is SDR

[carmine quarry]

That's what I was thinking, the chart says sdr

[tribal sable]

means you don't have hdr enabled in game

[novel inlet]

I have everything washed out, not sure why. Just installed reshade and the renodx addon

new to this hdr business so not sure where to start.

[novel inlet]

never mind. Apparently I had an hdr mode on in the nvidia app

[woven yacht]

@tribal sable @stark anvil u gotta try Fatekeeper cause it’s the best looking and performing UE5 game I’ve seen so far

[stark anvil]

I bought it already. As a dark messiah fan I'm looking forward to it.

and $8 is a no brainer

[woven yacht]

I’m a Dark Messiah fan too bro

I feel u

Just I wish they will add controller support

[stark anvil]

oh it doesn't have it?

[woven yacht]

No, we stuck mouse & keyboard and I suck with it

[woven yacht]

Once u try the game let me know your thoughts bro

It’s a kinda of a tech demo ngl cause content is really limited

[rugged nest]

It’s early access no?