GGs & Meme's Vanilla x1k Space Age Edition

[opal veldt]

Even two beacons is diminishing return

[thorn imp]

Won't do much over the next couple days. Still been working on getting military science back online

[thorn imp]

Epiphany just hit, I'm making at this weekend, not

Sunday night goal

[lime patio]

Are you shipping to ?

[opal veldt]

Seems logical

Each rocket launch equates to 1 science pack in base cost

Isn’t that wild

[lime patio]

I would understand if you said rocket part, but not seeing rocket launch costing as much as a science pack

[opal veldt]

A rocket holds 1000 science packs. That is equivalent to 1 science pack in base cost

[thorn imp]

Yeah

More silos isn't complicated

[lime patio]

Interested to if you find a bottleneck on the receiving end

[thorn imp]

I've been pulling out science via inserters because bot speed is only at 2, but once I get higher bot speed I don't see a current issue. That may change obviously

The rockets are basically the cheapest thing for science, but there are 1 to 1 because of the multiplier

[violet vector]

@thorn imp whats your spm? what spm target have you been aiming for, has it changed as you progress?

i have to replace/rebuild my 1800spm build coming off green into blue (bc im an idiot and didnt plan for expandability)

[thorn imp]

I had 1800 till green then ramped to 3600, currently still 3600 but labs are in place for 5k target atm

just for beacons

[violet vector]

Ayyy 👌 2x red belts. copy

[thorn imp]

current need. 6GW reactor

[thorn imp]

Progress on the Reactor, got it stabilized for 30m. It's a fuel saver build, but if I didn't elect for that I would just have already had it done, the half belt of fuel cells is the hard part here

[lime patio]

At that scale, why have it be fuel saving instead of recklessly consuming?

[ornate totem]

consider half belt of fuel cells vs a full belt of fuel cells

[thorn imp]

The build is half belt fuel cells, I contemplated logistics bots

[thorn imp]

I'm unsure how much power is needed and reactors just eat cells like crazy

[hallow path]

Reactors do eat cells like crazy, but even on my default ore settings, my one uranium ore patch could fuel 6GW of nuclear power for like 300 hours before running dry. And that's before mining prod + big drills
So it's worth considering how much uranium you'll actually need haha

[thorn imp]

there it is

[coarse ledge]

try getting some of them built with quality

really reduces the space you need

though, it's quite expensive

also before going to Gleba

[green dock]

quality reactors also burn fuel faster, and fewer reactors => less neighbor bonus

[thorn imp]

I did contemplate this

[coarse ledge]

I HIGHLY recommend you to build up your other planets in preparation

get tesla turrets and damage upgrades from Fulgora, artillery and it's upgrades from Vulcanus

[green dock]

gleba just benefits from having a good start of stuff dropped to you

[coarse ledge]

you can't be overprepared

[green dock]

ehh

I would say you should be expecting a few ships worth of goodies dropped to gleba to get going

gleba takes several steps to automate your own metal in appreciable quantities. So you want to be bringing in stuff to just build faster

just make sure to bring yourself stuff like circuits, steel, pipes, belts…. No need to play burner city again on gleba

If you struggle on gleba getting started, and you’re really lost, here is a hint (only read if you actually struggle):
||Focus first on making power by jellynut jelly. If you make this its own self-contained loop (infinitely self sustained), it you will be decently ready to continue. Make sure this process is at least 10% seed-positive.||

[sand temple]

Ayyy congrats, best of luck w torture

[thorn imp]

I'm gonna be upset 😭 haha

[signal crown]

gleba is actually a fun planet , i wouldnt stress

the big difference is that you have to plan your base then turn it on and the start of it has quite a lot of foraging required

[idle cobalt]

oh no

[opal veldt]

GGs with the huge ships and nauvis infrastructure can take care of anything

They won’t need to forage and I think foraging won’t be viable

[green dock]

foraging is never viable when it comes to science

foraging just gets some starter materials and unlocks the milestone techs

luckily, all techs you need to function on gleba have unlocks unaffected by the 1kx

if anything, his gleba run should be above average, since he has a ton of materials to drop in

[opal veldt]

Foraging for gleba gets you the starting tools to start making metals and eggs

[green dock]

yeah. the 1kx doesn’t change that

it does mean his space empire has more goodies to space drop him on gleba

[opal veldt]

But since they got so many rockets on nauvis and presumably on vulcanus they’ll have the infrastructure to get buildings to gleba without building annoying stuff like malls on gleba

[green dock]

true, but gleba malls are relatively easy to make

I literally grabbed the BPs for malls I made on other planets, and slapped them down onto gleba

i made one setup for bacteria that makes a green belt of ore. calcite comes in, and then the stock blueprints just make everything as normal

[opal veldt]

Just the stupid metal chains. With GG’s nauvis production they’d have better experience sending ores from space

[green dock]

and on 1kx, you want to have the materials locally to scale as you need

[inner mason]

bacteria is not that bad

[green dock]

idk, the bacteria loop was fun to make

[inner mason]

yeah

[green dock]

it was a really unique process for factorio

[inner mason]

its just a little more complicated kovarex

[green dock]

point being, your mall blueprints should already be ready, given you presumably made malls on 3 other planets already

[opal veldt]

Starting from scratch though is my only qualm with it versus just having whatever you need on mass scale

[inner mason]

what are you starting from scratch though? you could say the same about all the planets

[green dock]

gleba has the worst start of every planet, baring aquilo

it just takes fewer steps to get to simple working automation on the other inner planets

[inner mason]

yeah, but stromalites give a ton of ore early on until you can setup automation

[green dock]

yes, but i really hate that since it isn’t a properly automated solution

[inner mason]

yeah it took me a while aswell

[thorn imp]

todays goal, get this online to delete the 2800 steam engines

[coarse ledge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1hrkovw/who_needs_nuclear_when_you_have_40000_solar_panels/

[thorn imp]

Bruh

[late totem]

rip

[thorn imp]

its online and I kept it, but Enjoying Terraria a little to much atm

[late totem]

i love terraria 😎

[thorn imp]

its FUN bro

[late totem]

have u played the calamity mod and if u like dragon ball the dragon ball terraria mod they are so good

[thorn imp]

No, I've only played a leveling RPG mod, but I like the base game atm

[late totem]

whats that mod called bc my fav mod is dbt but i been playing mostly base recently

[thorn imp]

I can't remember it was a few years ago

[late totem]

k

il try find it on google lol

[thorn imp]

I think tomorrow we resume more and go for Purple Science

[thorn imp]

Getting rid of these 2 plants for more space

[thorn imp]

We Hit Gleba!

[opal veldt]

Oh hell yeah

People were telling you that you’d hate gleba but I really think you’re gonna like it

[thorn imp]

currently trying to understand the spoil mechanic

[opal veldt]

Yea I forgot you’ve mostly avoided spoilers

There’s a few different techniques the community gravitated to but you’ll have to figure it out on your own

[stiff comet]

tbh Gleba is so intriguing that I wouldn't want to spoil myself till several more playthroughs have gone by~

I do wonder what they've cooked up though

I was flabbergasted by AntiElitz's Oil setup as an example... pure madness XD

[thorn imp]

I'm going back and making purple/yellow science and possibly getting artillery before going back

[opal veldt]

That’s so real

Be warned your time factor for evolution starts when you land on gleba. They’re going to be bigger when you get back

[thorn imp]

I have Evo/Expansion/Pollution at off 🙂

[opal veldt]

Oh you’re all good then

Yea the artillery will still help though

Just make sure you can keep a stable egg supply if you’re gonna kill all the pentapods

Also if you don’t have the mech armor yet you’re gonna kick yourself later for not having it earlier. Especially on gleba

[thorn imp]

man I wish I could tile this

450/m might just send it

[mellow gorge]

i hate spoil mechanic

[ornate totem]

try automating iron/copper at a decent rate (more than one machine)

it'll do a pretty good job of teaching you spoilage

[mellow gorge]

i did a main bus with a 2 belt waste line for spoilage, and it gets burned at the end

nutrients at the start of the bus

though i wonder how you are gonna scale up 1000x

[ornate totem]

don't

[thorn imp]

we will find out after a few researches

setting up a 460/m build to just get beacons

[coarse ledge]

Questioning how GG has caught up to me when I’m doing a normal run

Guess I should get back to playing… later

[coarse ledge]

Use EM plants for the modules

It’s a bit difficult getting used to using new buildings for things that have been established practices for so long

But they are just so nice to use wherever possible

I rebuilt my green circuit production for example, and its output was hugely increased while lowering it’s input cost, especially useful considering how much of a bottlenecked spaghetti mess my factory is

[sand temple]

finish game faster fr

[mellow gorge]

oh yeah 100%, use EM plants for modules, circuits, power poles, beacons, solar panels/accumulators, everything really

and also i would highly recommend shipping calcite from vulcanus and using foundries on nauvis, since the molten metals are super easy to ship on trains, load/unload stations, or pipe to machines

it will revolutionize the way you build a base

[stiff comet]

he hasn't been to Fulgora yet I believe

he went Vulcanus → Gleba

[thorn imp]

I have all the planets unlocked now except aquilo, just not purple or yellow science. Working on those 2 now for more tech to be able to do more

[green dock]

everyone wants to see your glebase grow btw

[thorn imp]

Yeah, I am going to go back there after I get a few more things. Might be a while

[green dock]

let us know if you struggle

once you reach critical mass, gleba becomes a very fun ride where your base just explodes in size

unless you try to be lazy, and do a bare minimum “get the science and run” base

[thorn imp]

I just want to extra tools that purple and yellow give and possibly go back to childhood for artillery

[green dock]

which tools

[thorn imp]

I was going to do that, but when enemies were everywhere I was like nope

[green dock]

if you are on peaceful mode, it should be ok

outside peaceful mode, very not ok

[thorn imp]

Faster belts/machines, beacons, that type of stuff

[green dock]

green belts?

[thorn imp]

Maybe, but I'll settle for blue first

[green dock]

damn dude

[thorn imp]

The spoil mechanic got my brain thinking haha, that's why I went away, not because I didn't want to solve it

[green dock]

beacons are not critical for gleba success. faster belts do help a lot tho

[thorn imp]

Yeah, I have a feeling that artillery or Tesla cannon helps too

[cunning ember]

What does x1k mean

You need x1k more science to research something?

[thorn imp]

Yeah, so instead of logistics being 20, it's 20k as an example

[cunning ember]

[mellow gorge]

i could've sworn i saw him go to fulgora

[coarse ledge]

he did go to Fulgora

[mellow gorge]

#1300585302829830145 message

[drowsy stone]

Wait your doing a 1000x first time doing space age 0.0 crazy man.

[thorn imp]

Yeah

[thorn imp]

Gonna get purple science hopefully online in the next few days to catapult the base

[silver fox]

Are you prepping for Aquilo now?

[thorn imp]

I haven't really got the other planets sciences online, but it is a goal in mind

[toxic depot]

Fair warning: You can never have enough silos

[thorn imp]

That sounds true for almost all the stuff tho 😄

[toxic depot]

You might be tempted to think that 5-10 silos is enough in 1x, sadly this is false 😛

[thorn imp]

I have 3 right now on Nauvis

[thorn imp]

I know I'm gonna need nuclear for it

That's about all I know right now

[silver fox]

Well, not really, but it helps.

If you think it is too much science, feel free to skip nuclear.

[thorn imp]

I have nuclear already

[toxic depot]

I am still very excited to see how you handle Gleba at 1000x

[thorn imp]

I wanted too get the stuff from purple science before proceeding with planets

[toxic depot]

Are you not trying to get the achievement for planetary science before unlocking purple or yellow?

[thorn imp]

I got that a while back 🙂

[toxic depot]

Ah excellent

[thorn imp]

500k Cliff explosives

Gunning after either belts or artillery from that planet next

[toxic depot]

Both. Both is good.

[thorn imp]

Both, insanely expensive

[green dock]

if I were you, I would focus on getting biolabs (or techs that help you get to biolabs quicker)

[toxic depot]

This actually might be the best choice

[green dock]

it seems you only have prod1 unlocked, so the moment you get biolabs, that is an instant 2.14x multiplier to all your research

that's why imo gleba first is best for 1kx

artillery is great, but not going to help you rush biolabs

[thorn imp]

I have prod 2's just not automated

[green dock]

then that would be a 2.24x multiplier from upgrading to biolabs

researching beacons in the meantime might be a good choice of tech just to help offset the -40% speed you'll be getting from loading biolabs with prod2s

or green belts, because the setups for gleba science itself were belt limitted (for me, at least)

[silver fox]

Biolabs are really good.

They will transform your 1000x run into 500x.

[thorn imp]

I've heard there insanely useful

[celest grail]

with prod modules 3s, itll turn into around 350x

[mellow gorge]

i made a ship using rare/epic solar panels and efficiency modules, it can run 100% efficiency to aquilo at 200km/s
if most buildings are using -80% consumption it's easy

[celest grail]

ew solar panels

embrace nuclear power

then embrace fusion power later on

[late totem]

im about to buy space age imagine i did this first run

[late totem]

i dont know how to get it so i fully solar paneled my base

[thorn imp]

If you do, the burnout section for most on x1k in my opinion is right before bots

[late totem]

im not gonna lol i suck at the game

[silver fox]

Michael Hendricks started a x1000 run on default settings recently.

I only watched a first few hours, he was covering nests with pipes.

[thorn imp]

I was going to start a yt/twitch series stream, but my Internet is a literal potato

[violet vector]

Nah
Purple/yellow

[thorn imp]

Depending on when, yeah I see that too

[violet vector]

True

Ive been thinking of calculating it after all planets

Which means modules 2, no beacons, emp, foundries

Wonder what'd remain of the 200-250 total belts of resources needed for a 3,6k/m setup

[silver fox]

Fulgora would be terrible.

(elevated rails are purple)

[thorn imp]

Another reason I went back for

Get the tech to allow easier time on planets

[violet vector]

Oh god

Is it even possible without purple?

Legit theres no way to cross the ocean?

Or can you put belts on shallow sides or w/e

[silver fox]

You cannot. There is a rare possibility that you can connect two islands with an underground, but I think it is too rare to rely on it.

[violet vector]

Ok good to know

Yh that's hellish on x1k

[thorn imp]

I feel like that's only with the green belt tho

[silver fox]

I made it with blue, but it was on max island size.

Might be possible with red too, I did not search too much.

[stiff comet]

ye, he after that Artilery achivement

[thorn imp]

Purple got online last night. Not very fast but it did

[celest grail]

For fulgora you'd have to use the meager patches provided on medium islands if you dont have elevated rails

But fulgora as a whole is by far the most annoying planet to get a high amount of science from than any other planet

[thorn imp]

That's the main reason I went after production science first before continuing the other planets, the elevated rails and other stuff. The purple science brings outweighs the headache on the other planets

[coarse ledge]

just remember that speed beacons and quality don't mix

if I expand my Fulgora factory I'll probably need to separate quality from the main processing line

idk though, recyclers processing scrap is pretty fast even without beacons so it might not be necessary

[thorn imp]

Quality and prod or efficiency do tho right

[coarse ledge]

yeah

you can't put quality and of course prod in beacons though, so you are mostly choosing between quality or prod

[green dock]

quality and prod only mix if you have very high quality modules

it is not really worth mixing prod and quality if you’re just going to end with +5% quality, +20% productivity

or worse: +3% quality +12% prod

speed and quality don’t normally mix, but you can if you have the really good modules, and are fine burning more material

nillaus just showed a setup with Q5T3 quality modules and speed beacons to produce a ton of quality tungsten. But it really needs all the quality in your favor to work out at all

[thorn imp]

Bricked the save, but thankfully a backup was right before purple science. Connecting them to try and get back

[celest grail]

I'm guessing those are EMPs?

[thorn imp]

Currently just

Will upgrade the area to that tho after beacons

[coarse ledge]

I haven't upgraded my red circuit production yet

so currently my factory has EMPs producing green and blue circuits, but just with speed modules instead of productivity for red circuits since it was so slow

it also uses EMPs to produce wire instead of foundries because I'd need to redesign more of my factory to incorporate metal casting

[late totem]

i just cooked my world to i had so many laser gunners that they all went flat and now im down 5 gw and i cant do anything about it exept mine all 600 laser turrets

😭

[thorn imp]

!!!

[late totem]

W

im 12 hours into my space age world all my power is broken and no space yet

and all my defences are down becasue no power no lasers

[thorn imp]

Goal I think is to just get that to a stable amount produced and get beacons online at a minimum

[late totem]

in my world i finaly got a space platform and researched volcanus and idk how use thrusters tho lol il find out tho

[coarse ledge]

they're pretty simple to use

the space platform is just an annoying train

[late totem]

its just i can make fuel fast at all like i do it realy slow

[thorn imp]

we are climbing in purple now

[green dock]

damn dude, you're doing elevated rails before biolabs?

[thorn imp]

I'm not touching gleba for a little bit, as much as I want those that place needs some high quality defence

[green dock]

are you not on peaceful mode?

the only thing you shoot on gleba on peaceful mode are premature wigglers that hatch when your pentapod egg setup isn't good enough

[thorn imp]

Yeah, but if you hatch them or get close to them they just delete you

[green dock]

maybe you should play around with editor mode to see how much you can get away with

what is your phys projectile level

on this save

[green dock]

that is actually not too bad

[green dock]

what is your laser rank

this is laser level 3

[thorn imp]

Prolly unresearched

[green dock]

this is laser lvl 3

they resist laser anyway

lvl 3 electricity

lvl 7 electricity, for reference

btw the usual load of wigglers you get from a fuckup is 1-3 at a time

even if you have a chest full of eggs all spoiling simultaneously, the amount of wigglers hatching at once is capped

[thorn imp]

Working on assembler 3's 😭

[toxic depot]

How long is that going to take ya

[thorn imp]

Unknown honestly

[thorn imp]

depends

[thorn imp]

If I can keep the small 450/m build rolling not very, but I have beacons so I might upgrade it

[vernal pike]

dam u are still at it

[thorn imp]

Ye, this is my main save for SA, been playing other games more recently tho

[vernal pike]

yh me too 😄

[green dock]

how is the glebase coming along?

[thorn imp]

Haven't played since for quite a few days so everything is still the same, been on a different games itch

[silver fox]

Makes sense, x1k is a long haul.

[thorn imp]

When I come back I'll probably be organizing a little more science, then move to

[green dock]

we just want to see the gleba run

we’ve been waiting a month for this

[coarse ledge]

@thorn imp taking a break from the x1k?

[thorn imp]

Yeah, sorry I haven't updated in here in a while. I wanted to attempt to strong arm a 40hr run to see if I can get something small for gleba working, aquilo looks fairly straight forward, but I haven't been there yet. Just seen the tech tree

[coarse ledge]

yeah, I've been taking a break from Factorio for a while now

having fun with other games, and while I want to keep going with the DLC, Gleba is just keeping me from progressing...

Gleba definitely seems like the filter for who will beat SA vs who will give up

[thorn imp]

Yeah I've been playing a lot of ow2, rl, terraria, and Diablo

[stiff comet]

at times like that, it might be best to play with others to lessen the load

[ornate totem]

Gleba was annoying but now that I have it set up it just keeps going

Other random distractions and procrastination on making random stuff is the current stop on my run

[thorn imp]

Reviving the thread we are continuing!

Just built more purple science

[sand temple]

WOOOO purple sciece

[thorn imp]

1,475 build

[sand temple]

AHHHHHHHH

the splitter stuff scares me 😨

[thorn imp]

it just makes it so its all used 🙂

🙂

[stiff comet]

HE BACK

[thorn imp]

Gonna push to yellow science after blue belt I think

[thorn imp]

fixing steel so I stop the issues

[thorn imp]

this 1 train between me and blue belts!

[thorn imp]

[thorn imp]

Stack size 6 inserters are 💯% next

[high pond]

I'm doing a 100x and you really get to appreciate all the little upgrades a lot more instead of just racing straight through them all

[thorn imp]

Nice! Yeah enjoy it. It takes some strategizing to get used to but it's fun

[lofty badge]

same situatin here

i got stack inserters+ upgrades

really damn nice upgrades

[lofty badge]

what planet do you plan on going to first?

[thorn imp]

I've been to all of them except aquilo, but only set up science and machines on Vulcanus

Prolly do Fulgora next honestly

[lofty badge]

interesting

i assume you have q3 setups for all machines, beacons and modules?

[thorn imp]

I wish

Been using as I get them

I should probably set something up

[lofty badge]

i went to fulgora first to setup quality scrap recycling

i only returned to do science after setting up orange science in vulcanus and making q3 drills and foundries

it's 100% worth it

[thorn imp]

I have a few quality drills, but not many

Not having foundations in making my brain work

[lofty badge]

yeah it's a bit rough

this is my setup

[thorn imp]

Interesting

[thorn imp]

current base

[lofty badge]

Very nice

[thorn imp]

trains about to be a better problem

[thorn imp]

killing a buffer and getting this out of the way

[high pond]

I'm only at inserter capacity 3 and you dont even realize the significance on 1x because you literally just race straight to 7. So it's been fun playing at different tech levels.

[thorn imp]

progressing this might go to Fulgora or make a calcite ship next

[thorn imp]

This boat is interesting, going to change the collection aspect and use it

[thorn imp]

I dont break things... its just a 30s research

[thorn imp]

making a steel only platform

[thorn imp]

we are making trains stronger

[high pond]

Is this worth the hassle? Or just for the fun of it

[thorn imp]

Honestly I'm tired of not having enough steel

[high pond]

That's a picture of nuclear fuel reprocessing. Am I missing something?

[thorn imp]

No I attached the wrong thing, this is the name of that

[sand temple]

Nice spm

[coarse ledge]

@thorn imp how did you manage to get 25,000 science for electric drills

[thorn imp]

Sooo.... I did the drills after logistics still

This was a strat

[thorn imp]

You have to daisy chain the burner miners but after a little bit of time they self feed

[thorn imp]

Are you thinking about doing an x1k soon

[coarse ledge]

Not for space age

I still need to beat the DLC at least once lol

[thorn imp]

I have beat the dlc at all 😂

I might do an x1 to see how quick I can go tho

[toxic depot]

Nah keep going, have your first run be the full 1000x

[thorn imp]

I have Fulgora, Gleba, Aquilo to get done with too 😭 😭

[pulsar herald]

i feel like aquilo would'nt be too bad

[thorn imp]

I don't think it will be judging by what I've heard. Haven't looked up a guide or anything on that planet tho

[coarse ledge]

At least Vulcanus and Gleba should be easy to scale up

Fulgora though will be a challenge

Lack of space and you’ll be voiding like 90% of the resources you get

I haven’t been to Aquilo yet so I don’t really know much about that planet

[thorn imp]

Yeah I'm working on that planet in editor just to see if I can build something with it

[coarse ledge]

idk if I should go for logistics first or electric drills

[thorn imp]

Did you go ahead and full send an x1k?

[lunar gale]

You should make your own post so we can follow along without confusion (and also so you don't hijack GGs thread)

[thorn imp]

He's fine, we all were going nuts in 1.1 when it started

[coarse ledge]

Yeah this save is base game x1k

[high pond]

What spm are you targeting on fulgora?

[thorn imp]

Tbh idk yet, can't create a single network grid

[high pond]

I'm targeting 1800spm and yeah that looks unavoidable

looks like rare prod mod 2's will help a lot with shrinking that footprint

[thorn imp]

Efficiency modules are gonna be produced tonight

[high pond]

In hindsight it might of been better to go to fulgora first and just target a lower spm and have it running the longest

[coarse ledge]

redesigned the copper and gears for red science to double the production

had some issues with space (entirely from not having splitters and underground belts)

so I had to move things around and mess with belt routing to eventually get it to this

[coarse ledge]

oh

my iron production collapsed because my coal production is not fast enough to feed it

and not much I can really do about it

not until I get electric drills

currently making 360 red science per minute

[thorn imp]

damn

I had 5 1/2hrs on the dot for splitters/miners

[coarse ledge]

4 hours 46 minutes

[thorn imp]

for both?

[coarse ledge]

well just finished researching the drills, but I'm at 50% for logistics

I should end up about 10 to 20 minutes ahead of you

[coarse ledge]

five hours and 16 minutes

[thorn imp]

nice 15m

[coarse ledge]

man

I'm gonna have to dive deep into quality for this run

but it'll take a long time getting to be able to recycle unwanted items and by that point I might just be nearly finished

[high pond]

oh base game x1000

was wondering why recycler cost so much

[coarse ledge]

I've finally left the burner age

but now what should I do with 134 burner drills and 126 burner inserters...

[thorn imp]

Ummm..... My recycler wasn't that much

[coarse ledge]

yeah this is the non-space age cost

without space age it's cost is 5,000 science

[thorn imp]

Oh.... Oh my God

[coarse ledge]

It’s also five million yellow science for getting epic

And five million space science for getting legendary

[thorn imp]

Yeah, that doesn't change

[thorn imp]

highlight reel!

[high pond]

I'm also currently on fulgora on x100 having a blast. Decided on an spm target yet?

[thorn imp]

No, I'm making over here for some reason. Might change that tomorrow

[thorn imp]

Don't have a photo, but went back to Nauvis and I'm working on updating builds so I can start producing

[thorn imp]

I have some base news friends the world is gone

Booted the game, tried to recover it. It's just gone...

[high pond]

Go again

[thorn imp]

🙂

[high pond]

Absolute madlad

Planning to do anything differently?

[thorn imp]

more spm and no just waiting

also thinking about doing space slightly different

[high pond]

Still going vulcanus first?

[thorn imp]

dont have to do the rush to space anymore, so I dont know that yet

[high pond]

Ive thought about going fulgora or gleba first but vulcanus is just too good

[thorn imp]

my Fulgora map is bigger this time around

[high pond]

vulcanus first really helps a lot with fulgora

green belts and speed 3's help shrink the footprint so much

[thorn imp]

yeah the double Holmium plates are nice

[high pond]

and that

I was really worried about not having enough space

but top right is 1800 spm with plenty of leftover space for expansion and accumulators

[coarse ledge]

This time I’ve been helping GG, together we were able to build 450 SPM and get to logistics and electric drills in 4 hours and 40 minutes, roughly 50 minutes faster

Maybe we’ll be able to get all the progress back in 300 hours instead of 400

[thorn imp]

I think it could be sooner, after an eye opener to something different last night

[thorn imp]

15 minute lunch blitz

[pulsar herald]

hell yeah

[thorn imp]

Lets light this candle

[high pond]

What's the spm

[thorn imp]

increasing

[coarse ledge]

will be 1800

once we complete it

[high pond]

with green?

[coarse ledge]

only red currently

we're researching green now

which is gonna explode our resource demand...

[stiff comet]

you 2 playing in multi?

[coarse ledge]

yeah

[stiff comet]

damn

guess it makes sense, then blue science and robots happen

then friends are overrated

[high pond]

what's the spm goal for blue

on my 100x run i aimed too high and ended up just taking way longer than necessary to get bots

when i should of just aimed low and let it slowly tick away while doing other things

[thorn imp]

GGs & Meme's Vanilla x1k Space Age Edition

[thorn imp]

Personally, I think we may look at 3600

Bots will make scaling easy

[high pond]

I mean the initial blue spm before bots

[thorn imp]

But 1800 till bots, 3600 after is what I did on my first run

[high pond]

im playing default resources so i ended up spending so much time running around placing rails and setting up everything manually aiming for too high of an spm

when i could of just built smaller and did less manual work

[thorn imp]

Default you run around like a chicken with it's head cut off because the ore deplete so fast

[high pond]

yup lol thats exactly what happened to me

and its my first multiplier run so i didnt really understand the scale i needed

at each step

[thorn imp]

I spent more time blueprinting a train mining outpost to just plop down than I did playing the game

I jacked all the ore up my first run because I didn't want to hunt for it and kinda just left it high

[high pond]

did you go bus first or city blocks? I had never done city blocks so i tried going straight to that skipping the bus

in hindsight i should of just done bus

[thorn imp]

I've never touched city blocks, don't like the look of them, and they feel like a bottle neck

I train base in free form

This was the old Nauvis before it deleted

[high pond]

I tried doing it and it end up too restrictive adhering to it. especially without cliff explosives

because i felt like everything HAD to fit exactly on the grid

[thorn imp]

Oh, I don't do that either

[high pond]

this is my nauvis only up to blue science

it ends up being so much space for really not much production

and its a nightmare manually placing snaking rails with signals. instead of just having a bot place down straight rails properly signaled already

[thorn imp]

Doesn't look bad tho

[high pond]

trying to find a spot without a cliff in a block really spread things out

unnecessary amount of running around and train rides

If youre going to setup such a robust nauvis as well as having such big patches

thought about gleba first to easily double the spm?

I made all base sciences on vulcanus since resources get drained so fast

[thorn imp]

Gleba.... I've only actually set up science on Vulcanus

Was starting Fulgora, and then was doing gleba, idk what we will decide here

[signal crown]

fulgora first, you'll save a ton of time on vucanus just having that suit and a throwaway base there (because you need elevated rails to really do anything 😉 loving following along even if i dont read every message ha

[stiff comet]

1000x science means that mech armor is VERY far away, lul

[lime patio]

Fulgora for the recycler and EM machine first. Not a lot of investment is needed to move to another planet afterward

[stiff comet]

tbh I myself would likely go to all 3 of the planets and knock out their trigger technologies, automate the shipment of EM plants and Foundries, and then start mass producing science and the test of the goodies. having to re-do the planets at such a large scale would be a no-go in my book at least~

[thorn imp]

Mech armor is 5 Mil science

[lime patio]

I might have forgotten but Gleba's trigger tech is only for Gleba production line

[thorn imp]

Heating towers from Gleba are great actually

[lime patio]

I forgot about those. Good point

[high pond]

What are your goals for the 1000x? Just get to the systems edge?

[thorn imp]

This world is not being deleted, I want all infinite science level 30 at a minimum. Like my last base I want a x1k main save. I know Meme wants to just go to the finish screen, but I'm wanting a main save that does everything a normal x1 game does

Contemplating an SPM or ESPM target

Right now my test world is building the smelter stacks for the

ignore the power but this is supposed to be 3600 at

[high pond]

I ask because after getting my mech armor in my 100x I realize you actually dont need any tech from Fulgora for the systems edge other than Aquilo discovery. Just trying to think of an argument to go Fulgora first like the others suggested

Fulgora is a bit of a pain to scale up without rail support foundations so that might be a good reason to go there first to start buffering 2mil science for it

[high pond]

i really enjoyed playing longer with the lower tech on a science multiplier world. The builds get quite big

[thorn imp]

I did not plan this, but damn that fits well

[thorn imp]

this'll do

[thorn imp]

placing blueprint while not in map view be like

[stiff comet]

may be blind, but can't see where ores are being brought in from on the image~ or that's why you left so much space between the furnace lines to the left?

[thorn imp]

ore and plate are in the same area

[stiff comet]

ye, saying that if I can see right, in the above image ore is not yet routed in, correct?

[thorn imp]

ahh, ye, no ore isn't ready to go in yet

Plate is routed, not ore. yeah

[stiff comet]

do you plan with train unloads in mind, or that simply won't be a factor till you have EM plants and Foundries for a more permanent setup~

[thorn imp]

my old base had calcite import problems, I don't know how we plan to deal with that

[stiff comet]

bigger ships would mean potentially lower UPS early, not sure how that would pan out

possibly just bringing in calcite from Vulcanus, all in all Coal and Sulfur should be at mass consumption anyhow, so some Calcite being yoinked should be fiiine...

[coarse ledge]

calcite shouldn't be an issue as long as we have a good space platform design

[thorn imp]

its FLOWING

[thorn imp]

Current base

[coarse ledge]

we've done pretty well to get 1800 SPM for red and green within 24 hours

[thorn imp]

Moving that science around is going to suck 😭

[ocean palm]

why do massive chunks of belts like that in map view feel so nice to look at.

[thorn imp]

Aren't they wonderful

[tropic relic]

I wanted to make something like for 900 spm red science but I can't put power poles for the iron gear, any idea ?

without underground and splitter because we don't have that at the start

look clean in the map

I guess I can do something like this but I don't like it

[thorn imp]

I can show you what we did when I load in tonight

[tropic relic]

ok

[thorn imp]

A tip I have here is to set it so the copper/gear are each half belt to make, 1 full belt

#1300585302829830145 message

[tropic relic]

and I need 450 lab to use one full belt of science in 30s research right ?

[thorn imp]

450 is 900 at 30s yeah

[coarse ledge]

oh I thought that was rocket science from space exploration lol

the long handed inserters made it look orange

[coarse ledge]

also I believe each assembler needs 2 output inserters

[lime patio]

If they had 1x crafting speed then absolutely. At 0.5x speed it balances out with the recipe and inserter speed (not exactly, but close enough)

[coarse ledge]

well with assembler 1s it takes 1 second to create a gear, however the inserter needs to rotate 360 degrees in that one second to run at full speed, but can only rotate 302 degrees per second

using one output inserter you're losing out on 58 degrees a second, by 7.5 assemblers for half a belt that's 435 degrees a second, you're basically losing 1.2 assemblers of output

that's my own math, this displays a more accurate reading

.9 of a fast inserter is equivalent to 3 yellow inserters and .9 of a long inserter is equivalent to 2 yellow inserters

on a small scale this might not be significant (but is still worth optimizing for), however building in large volumes will mean that not having those extra inserters creates a big loss in output

[lime patio]

My thinking was that you wouldnt optimize that much until assembly machine 2, but I realize afterward that even with the massive build up (with, as you state, large volumes are worth optimizing for) it will take hours to make any upgrades.

[high pond]

oh i didnt realize factoriolab shows inserters required

i keep opening up inserter throughput on the wiki

[tropic relic]

Yea i fixed that already

[thorn imp]

[opal veldt]

Hell yeah

[coarse ledge]

I am pretty worried about the 400% asteroid density

I tested it out and it will not be easy to manage

[thorn imp]

I think we will be ok, just the damage research is gonna be interesting

[high pond]

Lol you guys turned up asteroid density? I haven't seen any discussions or playthroughs with adjusted asteroid density

[thorn imp]

I did when I made the world yeah, I didn't think it was going to be THAT drastic

[high pond]

Guess you'll be cruising the solar system on a single throttle controlled engine

[lime patio]

Too bad it will still be a bit before automated rail schedules

[thorn imp]

We were working on that last night😁, and we got part of it done

[thorn imp]

575k away!

[thorn imp]

we are cooking!

[signal crown]

you are absolutely crushing it tbh , reccord time absolutely , you're cruising through !

[thorn imp]

Compared to the first world we are cruising! 😁

[coarse ledge]

Oil a bit before 40 hours yeah, we’re going to get some things set up next for making chem and military science

I don’t think I’ll prepare it for chem science just yet, but I am going to get some advanced circuits being built to make modules

We have probably a thousand or more drills running, so efficiency modules would decrease our power consumption a lot

I don’t think productivity modules will be worth using until we get beacons but speed modules would be pretty useful for decreasing the size of our factory

When resources are so easy to come by is productivity really necessary

[toxic depot]

prod shrinks the factory by quite a lot if you use them in the right places

[thorn imp]

Efficiency modules in miners would allow us to prolly get away with 720mw to after

Prod in science is the only place I see at the moment tbh

[coarse ledge]

The productivity bonus doesn’t really offset the speed decrease however

[thorn imp]

Quality assemblers do but the farming for that was not worth

[toxic depot]

prod in science only, in miners it doesn't really make sense with such low prod iirc

[coarse ledge]

The one thing I could see is that once we have beacons, using productivity and speed together will decrease the amount of mines we need

[thorn imp]

Like prod in assemblers and rare assembler = base with no prod speed wise

[toxic depot]

Do y'all have any quality production?

[coarse ledge]

Yeah, farming for quality is going to be an entirely different beast

[thorn imp]

500k science

[coarse ledge]

Not yet, currently researching the module though

[toxic depot]

pocket change smh

[thorn imp]

I went quality labs assemblers and miners early

That paid out quick, might do that

[coarse ledge]

I don’t know how we’re going to do it, but I do want to try making a factory solely dedicated to quality production

[sand temple]

Even though upcyclers need recyclers i would use those

With a high throughput item like iron chests

The speed reduction and lack of speed application for q stuff is painful

[thorn imp]

You can counter it with quality assemblers

[sand temple]

Even then

[lime patio]

The concept of productivity offsetting speed is only applicable if you are using productivity to increase items per minute (by having a high speed bonus already). Instead you would just build up more, thus the cost isnt speed but space and electricity.
Making your resources produce more is the only real consideration for using productivity.

[sand temple]

Tho if thats pretty nice

[sand temple]

I think they dont want a bigger base that costs more electricity

It depends on a ton of stuff

[thorn imp]

I don't care particularly care about power cost

[sand temple]

Tho yes prod reduces amount of intermediates needed you need atleast a beacon or something to make it worth

[coarse ledge]

Electricity and resource cost isn’t really the issue

More so, the issue is the space itself

[lime patio]

With this kind of challenge you must build with scale

[sand temple]

Bugs?

[coarse ledge]

Not really, they are on peaceful

[sand temple]

Yeah thats why they have thousands of spm

[coarse ledge]

But we have to build really huge

Like a single build we have took I think 13,000 red belts

[thorn imp]

Yeah ... I might be reconsidering that

That build is train involved we can do a lot with out them

[lime patio]

Probably best to stick to simpler builds with redundant assemblers that take up more space and use simpler materials until you have bots.

[thorn imp]

Placing isn't to big an issue. I use speed run strats when I build blueprints, not a lot of clicking just a lot of dragging

I think individual builds and just run it into the science might be a good starter play

DI to big to start

But idk

My brain is cooked

This was all DI inspired from the get go, and I feel like it was just to much brain power

One of the last photos of that base 😭 😭

[sand temple]

All you need for di is small modules per assembler or 2

Then you can copy and paste em

You dont have to do 100% fi

Can do di for ev intermediate

So for purple sci you build it with rails di

But e furnace and prod module is on the side

With the intermediates for those being di’d

Just depends on what gives you the best setup with the most lines of assemblers

Assuming you dont wanna keep swapping what you holding

[thorn imp]

I could've swore you saw this?

[sand temple]

I think i did but im bad at remembering

Thats full di

What im suggesting is doing stuff in a staxk next to other stacks

[weary girder]

do you have Circuit network researched yet? <#1300585302829830145 message> doesn't show it but you've probably done more research since thatn. if so then yes, just craft a programmable speaker.

you started your first Space Age at 1000× science cost with enemies enabled? that's crazy!

[thorn imp]

They are on peaceful so just a boredom killer honestly

[thorn imp]

We don't just yet

[weary girder]

ah here it is!

hmm, does "red planet" mean Vulcanus or Fulgora? Update: it's Vulcanus, I just had to read on a few pages

ah small biters only, so you can defend your base easily. a good choice.

be careful, the quality modules 1 research is much more expensive than the other three modules 1 research

[coarse ledge]

Those are old photos

[weary girder]

||Vulcanus and Fulgora yes, but don't go to Gleba with absolutely nothing, that's just pointlessly slow. and make sure to research before you go to vulcanus with nothing.||

[coarse ledge]

GG lost the save so we’ve been playing together to get all the progress back

I don’t think we have circuit networks researched yet, but we’re currently at modules and starting to build for chemical science

[weary girder]

huh

[weary girder]

yeah, I hadn't realized how old this thread was

I'll have to read the rest of this thread later

[weary girder]

yeah, I saw later that you have set them to no evolution (small biters only) and no expansion, so it's easy enough to protect the base on Nauvis

but even so 1000× as your first Space Age game is unusual

[thorn imp]

This x1k that meme and I are on is the 2nd SA save ever

[weary girder]

It's funny how I never hear about anyone playing 30× science multiplier or a 128 tile high ribbonworld. It's always either 1× or 1000× multiplier, and either infinite or 9 tile high.

[thorn imp]

Never thought of that

[weary girder]

The science multiplier part is an exaggeration. There are some videos about deathworld marathon (usually with some further restrictions), at least one about marathon, these use 4× science multiplier but also expensive mode. Apart from those, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY9eYLWjb9k is a video of a 100× science multiplier run, and there are probably a few more.
The strange one is the 128 tile high ribbon world, which is actually a map preset in Factorio 1.1 vanilla, and yet I haven't seen anyone play it, not even DoshDoshington who https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoF_bEXATXE claimed to try “all the Factorio Modes NO ONE EVER PLAYS”. Admittedly https://mods.factorio.com/mod/RibbonMaze20 Ribbon Maze, which gives a somewhat comparable space restriction, is popular, and IIRC someone played Factorio 1.1 with the scale of map gen water features dialed to lower than what the settings dialog allows.

Ok I'm also wrong about that: Nilaus has played 128 192 tile Ribbon world.

[coarse ledge]

I think it's because at that scale it's large enough where the challenge is only minor

it's not radically different

[thorn imp]

current base

[high pond]

what's the spm now?

[thorn imp]

2450

[coarse ledge]

[high pond]

How are you boys doing

[thorn imp]

I stopped Factorio due to a Diablo 4 itch, but Factorio will be back. I think Meme is on an x1

[coarse ledge]

[thorn imp]

The want for the factory will come back at some point. Rocket League, and Diablo 4 have got me going crazy right now

[thorn imp]

[toxic depot]

Is the time now that the factory returns

[thorn imp]

I got the itch a couple hours ago

[toxic depot]

Oh boy here we go automating again

[thorn imp]

My wonder is do I do a x1 and finish the game or keep going on x1k

[toxic depot]

Stick to the plan

[red compass]

1k!!!

I've been burnt out on my diagonal run but I am determined that that will be the first run I beat space age with and I'm sticking to it

I presume you've seen Michael Hendriks's default settings/hands clean/×1k science playthrough he's working on?

[thorn imp]

bits and pieces yeah

[sand temple]

Ayo

[red compass]

It's so good

He loves putting himself through hundreds of hours of suffering lmao

The ways he has neutralized biter nests are pretty cool ngl

[thorn imp]

well... damn

[thorn imp]

Oil Rocket added

[sand temple]

upgrades people upgrades!