GGs & Meme's Vanilla x1k Space Age Edition

[violet vector]

uhuh

im so sorry but like

[thorn imp]

Dont at him......

[violet vector]

ok ok sorry

[thorn imp]

[violet vector]

BUT LIKE

that makes it even worse

sorry.

how does editor extensions not work in space 😭

[thorn imp]

what the Editor Extensions mod?

prolly because they wanted it to function like it would if you were in space

[violet vector]

its godmode in design editor mode.

😭

[thorn imp]

mining prod level 3 be like

I'm in desperation mode now I need these 5 smelters refilled

I may have to redig up this whole ore patch and sort it now

[coarse ledge]

I wonder if legendary prod modules can nullify their speed decrease

Since only the main effect is changed with quality

[thorn imp]

Train death #3

[vernal pike]

bruh

u just want to die?

[thorn imp]

No, I'm just running over track to often

[thorn imp]

its flowing!!!

aquired

[sand temple]

GOOP

dayum thats a lot of space sci

Stil 600spm?

[thorn imp]

the build I'm getting ready to throw into production is 900/m

on the Nauvis orbit

what I would do for some blue belt right now

[stiff comet]

is it not an issue that space science isn't being properly balanced?

can imagine this making train unloads slower once you have enough of it being produced

[thorn imp]

Improper balance is useful if the full belt is being consumed at all times

but I am balancing it right after the unload

just not the space science yet

[thorn imp]

this is so CURSED

[thorn imp]

160hr base photo, currently fixing starter ore patch and I nuked my Space Science blueprint so rushing to get that fixed.....

[stiff comet]

noice

tbh I do wonder how you'll handle the other planets

weird to think that ||Gleba|| might be your easiest one, as the others require you to keep mining Ore patches for it~

basically, you can make that infinite, while the others not so much

[silver fox]

Given that pollution is disabled, it is absolutely the easiest one.

[stiff comet]

the rewards are also bonkers

only thing better would be ||doing each of the islands for it's Milestone builds first||, but then you would ||still want Gleba to be the first for science, cause it has Biolab, Stack Inserters, Spidertron, Advanced Asteroid processing... plus everything is also self-contained, and not reliant on other planets to function well at all~||

[vernal pike]

BRO wtf

u cant post NSFW here

[thorn imp]

It was malding I'm having to brain out sushi

[thorn imp]

this right here... had made me contemplate a restart

[vernal pike]

why

[silver fox]

Be careful, it is a double-edged sword.

[thorn imp]

yeah... prolly getting to planets would be a pain in the ass

[violet vector]

which is fine with extreme overproduction like in x1k...

whatd happen at 100% but just max widness shield? make it big slow ships. whats the theoretical max output

[thorn imp]

see, thats the wonder now. how much can you logically produce with the massive amount of more

because you can just build a ship with extra turrets and ammo and stuff

[violet vector]

wasnt there a mod that could change starter settings

make a save, play around with it. see what does what
if that mod still exists and works for asteroids

[thorn imp]

I dont want to mod till I have all teh achievements or I wont get them haha

[violet vector]

you are a stronger person than me

[silver fox]

Turret density is limited, though.

[thorn imp]

when you have to kickstart a platform the hardway

[silver fox]

Finally you are doing some megabase-level production.

[thorn imp]

now we are talking!

[coarse ledge]

Nevermind getting to planets, if you touch that you will make the endgame impossible

It will be difficult getting resources for your initial space science, but you won’t have any issues if you make a proper ship for space science production once you get thrusters

Most people don’t have to do that, with my game being a normal run I just have two assemblers producing space science from the chunks that float around above Nauvis

But you get a ton more resources from flying around between planets

[thorn imp]

so I just need to hold out a little longer

[coarse ledge]

Yup, once you can fly around you will have no issues mass producing space science

I think medium asteroids produce like 5 to 7 chunks each

[thorn imp]

platform be like

[coarse ledge]

Metallic and carbonic asteroids are far more common than oxide though

So it’ll be a balance between fuel production and science

[coarse ledge]

You can build a nuclear reactor on your platform

[thorn imp]

900k

wait a minute....

YOUR A GENIUS

[coarse ledge]

I won’t say why, but it’s a very useful research to get before you go to another planet

[thorn imp]

lul

[thorn imp]

back in business!

[hallow path]

You could also have multiple platforms for science, yeah?

Up production by copy pasting your current build again

[thorn imp]

yeah, massively depend on how big and how much

I'm going to look at a small ship that just travels between Vulcanus and Nauvis I think thats sole purpose isn't anything but science

[hallow path]

That'll churn out science like no tomorrow if setup right

There's LOADS of asteroids between planets

[thorn imp]

here we gooooo

[coarse ledge]

Also use circuitry to read belt contents and set a filter for what chunks get picked up

It’s very simple to do

[icy breach]

Sooo we're going gleba first right? Bio labs seems huge here.

[livid garnet]

labs aren't the issue xD

vulcanus might be the smartest planet to go to first

[icy breach]

But more productivityy

is huge no?

[thorn imp]

I'm going Vulcanus first for the Production benefits

[icy breach]

I mean being scareeeed of gleba is alright. I get it

[thorn imp]

[coarse ledge]

There’s some issues here

1. Just set filters on what is picked up to limit how much of one item can be on your belt

2. Don’t bother splitting off resources onto their own belt, keeping it as a sushi belt that circles the platform is significantly easier

3. Inserters can not drop items into cargo bays, they can only drop items into the main building

[thorn imp]

the split of was originally working because there wasn't a lot of ice lol

[coarse ledge]

I'm designing a new ship, this is my concept for it so far

[thorn imp]

I like the Idea to it

[coarse ledge]

I'm sure I'll need to make some changes, but my plan is to have chunks resources and ammo on the same belt circling the ship with circuitry to limit how full the belt can get on any one material

I don't know for sure how well my initial designs will work but I know that it can be at least functional

[empty cape]

@coarse ledge i just have 2 separate belts 1 ammo and 1 sushi for rocks

[coarse ledge]

Yeah it would be easier, I might end up switching the design to separated belts for ammo eventually

I’m currently trying to get a good compromise between my ship being compact and aesthetics so I’m trying to just have one belt if I can make it work

[empty cape]

makes sure you get ammo too so you dont get screwed

run half belt ammo and other half rocks

[coarse ledge]

I also have the capability to use foundry production of iron so I should probably switch to that over using electric furnaces

I’ll need to ship an initial supply of calcite to Nauvis though because I can’t generate it from asteroids, my ship will be dependent on Vulcanus production

[thorn imp]

I'm drawing something up, not seen these before

[coarse ledge]

I don’t recommend using tanks for storage personally

[thorn imp]

any reason why?

[coarse ledge]

I only recommend it if you use circuitry to limit your ship’s speed

[thorn imp]

^ this is what I was planning 🙂

[coarse ledge]

If you don’t use circuitry and your ship is sitting around a planet for a while it’ll slowly fill those tanks to capacity, once your ship starts moving again it’ll provide a large burst of speed until the reserves run dry and then your ship will slow down

It would be fine, unless that speed is faster than your defenses and production can handle

A full tank lets the engines run at 100% throttle, a half filled tank lets them run at 50% throttle

[hybrid lintel]

Who needs tanks when you produce fuel at good rate 😄

[empty cape]

you dont want a gas tank on your car??

[thorn imp]

we have military online!

[thorn imp]

ship is made trying to see what I need to bring

[thorn imp]

🙂

[hallow path]

Looking good!! Vulcanus soon!!

[thorn imp]

3rd silo added

[coarse ledge]

@thorn imp how did you deal with getting electric drills

[thorn imp]

did a small build that catapulted easily

[coarse ledge]

why didn't the devs take this oppurtunity to make the burner drill flippable

[icy breach]

This inspired me to make a marathon word. death world marathon. never played with x times science before

I'm liking it, I actually see weight on what I'm researching now...

[icy breach]

woah ! looking good

[thorn imp]

🙂 we blast off soon hopefully!

[vernal pike]

so when another planet 😄

[jaunty ginkgo]

@thorn imp what's your long term SPM goal with this? I assume it's all a bit cracked given the scale of the factory you have to build to progress

[jaunty ginkgo]

I've never done a science multiplier run before - Given that the only cost increases is the research itself, do the 'unlock by doing X' research change at all?

[livid garnet]

They are standard

[thorn imp]

There are a couple options I've been thinking recently, but with all the upgrades and stuff 1k is 1 effective spm and so on. I want to finish this base, go do the remainder of the achievements in a x1 game, then make this x1k base my main save. I know there are a few with the 1Mil goal and that's 1k effective spm for me.

I guess tldr, I'm not sure yet. But I want it to be really good

[jaunty ginkgo]

Sounds good man, looking forward to watching you gradually lose your mind

[thorn imp]

I hope my ship doesn't explode 😂.

[coarse ledge]

x1000 is a fun concept but it quickly becomes just more grinding than actual playing

60 SPM is pretty standard in a normal game, but to get the equivalent of that you need 60,000 SPM

I think for most players that want to try a larger game, x100 is a better choice

it's more doable to get a good SPM

[thorn imp]

True, x100 is a great counter balance

I wonder if 60/m is beatable for the 40hr achieve

I may attempt that before finishing this on purpose, but not attempting it to me was smarter

[coarse ledge]

trigger techs don't change, automation 1 is always 10 science

everything else is affected

so logistics is 20,000 science

[thorn imp]

50%!

[sand temple]

WOOOOO

4 hrs more 😭

[jaunty ginkgo]

Good lord

[jaunty ginkgo]

How on earth will Vulc work, you REALLY don't have the space for 1000x science, surely?

[thorn imp]

Maybe not early on, but I haven't seen any of the tech still

[coarse ledge]

Nah, the space actually isn’t a huge issue

Foundries are VERY strong

The other planets will be the real test of if GG can keep going or ends up quitting

[jaunty ginkgo]

Ah apologies, I'll be more careful with comments 🫡

[thorn imp]

No worries, that wasn't really a spoiler per say.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Nah, I know, but I could've gone full disclosure and now I know not to 💀

[vernal pike]

you do

also modules

[thorn imp]

Got a ship all ready to blast to Vulcanus, just need space science to start being nice

60% or about 3-4hrs away

4hrs of playtime left for Vulcanus, gonna start figuring out other than a cargo pad and materials for another rocket what to bring

[vernal pike]

poooooooog

[thorn imp]

Bro it's so hype I kinda want to first ship to fail, but people have said I've over built it

[thorn imp]

This

[vernal pike]

its made for ppl who dont know how to play the game

[thorn imp]

I didn't look at ratios when I built it. I just sorta said "this looks cool" and ran with it

[vernal pike]

yes

[opal veldt]

You have the infrastructure on nauvis to bring anything you want so I recommend that you do

I brought like 10 hours of 50MW nuclear power to vulcanus when I first went

Would be good to bring lots of circuits and intermediates as well

[thorn imp]

Contemplating the power source right now, is solar decent there?

[stiff comet]

ye, 4x as efficient as on Nauvis

[thorn imp]

So a few hundred solar panels and accumulators should do fine

[stiff comet]

being over a few Eff modules too

and then ur good

not sure if you played around with the new blueprint options, but it's really easy to have it so that it fills up 3x module slots with Eff 1

[thorn imp]

This my first playthrough, and the blind playthrough so it's all still new to me

[stiff comet]

it's all super intuitive tbh

hardest part is overcoming the worm

[thorn imp]

Train death #4

[hallow path]

Solar is very good, there's also another Very Very Good source of power that you get access to very quickly

[thorn imp]

have this so far

[hallow path]

Takes some very basic resources from the ground and ||turns them into 500C steam|| stupidly fast

[hallow path]

Personal suggestion, bring a couple steam turbines and a couple more chem plants

But that's looking very good!!

I'm excited to see how you fare on a whole new world :3

[thorn imp]

these things again

Fighter jet ready to go (other than turbines)

have to end here tonight

[sand temple]

Gn bro sleep well

[thorn imp]

Hoping I can get to by the weekend

[thorn imp]

[jaunty ginkgo]

This is the way.

[thorn imp]

22% remains

[hallow path]

Exciting!!

[thorn imp]

Gonna try and smooth the science intake

[sand temple]

WOOO

lol space science still bothering you

[opal veldt]

What’s fluctuating

[thorn imp]

A train

It's 5k capped running back and forth

[thorn imp]

Here's me hoping that bigger miner will solve the sushi on the main world

[opal veldt]

It absolutely will

[thorn imp]

I'll find out in about 20% and a few days of figuring science out

[opal veldt]

If anything I think the big miner is the biggest resource saver in the game

I would recommend to start quality cycling them as soon as you can for full rare tier patches

[vernal pike]

how is your science graph always a sine wave

[thorn imp]

close

[vernal pike]

you should legit move your whole base to vulcanus

[thorn imp]

brought by train 🙂

[vernal pike]

sounds like you need to produce more 😄

[thorn imp]

and you mean THIS

[vernal pike]

bros playing on 1kX but has prod like its 10x

[thorn imp]

space science is whooping me

but thats about to change

[vernal pike]

how many platforms u have

[thorn imp]

2

[vernal pike]

bruh

need atleast 10

or whats your plan for that

you can have 2 but they need to move so u get more asteroids

[thorn imp]

about to get a ship going from Nauvis to Vulcanus and back

ye

ye its not doing well

[vernal pike]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

you just could also have built like 8 of thjem to get vulcanus faster

and then destroy them and send the materials back to nauvis

[thorn imp]

WE HAVE MADE IT

[toxic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/akai-haato-hololive-not-like-this-panic-shake-gif-17045844

[thorn imp]

that was the test drive, the front end didnt make it

so I reloaded

going to get at a minimum damage upgrade 3

[vernal pike]

yes

another 12h :p

[toxic depot]

have you considered more guns?

[thorn imp]

if I can stabilize it will be tomorrow

but I think the actual problem was it ran out of ammo

so I wonder if a slower ship would help

or the extra ammo I shot up from the hub

if IO put extra ammo in the hub its just barely enough

so I need more ammo makers

[vernal pike]

yh u sohuld do that and go on vulcanus

and build the vulcanus base while u research

[thorn imp]

your saying launch me up, get over there and build?

[vernal pike]

yh

[thorn imp]

wowz

[vernal pike]

[thorn imp]

we made it and thats how you see this!

[vernal pike]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

it happened

[thorn imp]

it begins

[vernal pike]

imagine if that was 1000xd too xd

[thorn imp]

wow

[vernal pike]

yea they have big ones on vulcanus but u wont have that many

they are large but density is not that crazy

[hallow path]

Vulcanus!!! I can't wait to see what a x1k base looks like with the strange terrain on Vulc

[thorn imp]

[strange moss]

Here we go

[thorn imp]

[thorn imp]

next thing done!

[icy breach]

WOOOOAH nicee!

[thorn imp]

I have to murder big boi before I can get Tungsten

and I dont think my damage 2 will get me there

xD

[empty cape]

x 1k base for me at valcanus

my travel ship hehehe

i think I'm hoarding space science so no one else can have it lol

[thorn imp]

☠️

[hallow path]

Wow! I hate that! lmao
I wish you luck dealing with that drill in particular o7

[empty cape]

singing who let the bots out

[thorn imp]

yeah no kidding

[hallow path]

That's probably true, but it might also be worth testing in an editor world if like 800 gun turrets with red ammo take it down

[hallow path]

I could never xD

[empty cape]

they gonna attack me run for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[violet vector]

If you would be able to go back and change the Asteroid spawning rate, what would you set it to?

i also wonder about spoiling rate 🤔

[hybrid lintel]

lol where worms?

[stiff comet]

.

there seem'd to be some prior

so maybe they all deadge

[thorn imp]

If I restarted I'd probably only crank it to no more than 250

Just over double and not 400% because I think you'd need damage 5 to get there, but at the same time at 400% it would force me to build military, because I didn't think about other world settings

[thorn imp]

He doesn't have any 😭

[thorn imp]

prolly these 2 tbh if I were to restart

because 400% might be a nightmare

[violet vector]

aye, fair
thank you!

im not gnna care much for achievements, so the commands are available. but the info is welcome for maybe starting my own x1k idk

[thorn imp]

today I'm getting military online, and deleting Demo's on Vulcanus

thats the goal anyway

[violet vector]

im just afraid of fulgora, the islands..no foundations....

demo's is just, meme them with a tank. right? like thats the best thing ez?

[thorn imp]

this is my 🍝 right now

[violet vector]

nicer than mine lol

[thorn imp]

you apparently 2-4 shot demos with this and a tank

which is.... on the todo list too

[violet vector]

meme with tanks. copy

[thorn imp]

mission told me another way I'm going to try as well today, involving turrets

[violet vector]

im curious whats better tbh

i tried with nuclear reactors. it works lol but, yknow

[thorn imp]

while we build military

[violet vector]

idk if i want peaceful mode or not

like i dont want gleba to just be a meme because nothing is attacking

does pollution have a big affect on ups that u know?

[thorn imp]

I disable it because I was told it was, never tested

[violet vector]

aye

[thorn imp]

done today lol

[empty cape]

i dont have biters on so no monsters

[thorn imp]

small Demo fixing to die

[silver fox]

The turret method is pretty easy.

You can blueprint a gun turret with a construction request for some ammo, then make a square of those blueprints.

I used a 14x14 square of turrets holding 20 yellow ammo each for my smalls - but you don't have a lot of damage upgrades, so you probably need to do red ammo and maybe make a bigger square.

Just drop it into a demolisher territory and go back to work on your base.

[thorn imp]

red ammo? I'm currently working on dmg upgrades

[silver fox]

The one taking copper and steel.

You should have it already unlocked.

[thorn imp]

ye

[vernal pike]

das a lot of turret

[thorn imp]

We about to play murder the demo

[coarse ledge]

don't make it like that imo

just make a large square of pure gun turrets

fill one of them with something like 10 red ammo, and copy that to make a big square

your bots will add ammo to the turrets

with a manually set request

[thorn imp]

yeah... 2 at a time >.>

[silver fox]

If you build it away from the worm but in its territory, you will have plenty of time for bots to fill it.

[thorn imp]

this is just outside the territory

I was going to wait to get 1 more damage upgrade

its closer

[silver fox]

Are you going to build 1000 SPM on Vulcanus?

[thorn imp]

I dont fully know just yet

[coarse ledge]

vulcanus is super easy to mass produce science

[vernal pike]

id go for more

[coarse ledge]

I have a very small setup of just two foundries producing science and it's plenty for my normal run

you might even want to consider moving most production to Vulcanus given how easy it is to mass produce materials

[coarse ledge]

it's unfortunate though that there isn't something better than the assembler to produce Nauvis science in

[thorn imp]

true

[coarse ledge]

even a normal quality foundry is multiple times better than a legendary tier 3 assembler

[silver fox]

Hm, a planet mod which reward is an assembler for science specifically?

[coarse ledge]

yeah if there was a building like the foundry and ||EM plant|| specifically for producing Nauvis science that would be great

maybe to balance it if you only got it after travelling through all the inner planets

||if it could also do Aquilo and deep space science that would be cool too, because those can only be produced in the cryo chamber which doesn't have a base prod bonus||

[violet vector]

the cliffs are a pain though lmao

[sand temple]

Nope

Just get lucky and spawn w ashland

[violet vector]

ok making cliff explosives on vulc isnt That bad
but yh

[thorn imp]

its only 500k science 😭

[violet vector]

ez

[thorn imp]

right now I'm injecting side belts into to increase production

[violet vector]

spm? still 2.5k'ish?

i started my x1k world
now just, see if it goes anywhere

[thorn imp]

if it fully loads its a 1600 build

[violet vector]

aye

[violet vector]

May I ask how you calculate builds without mods? just factoriolabs?

[thorn imp]

yup

[violet vector]

cool

[thorn imp]

https://factoriolab.github.io/spa/list?v=11

[violet vector]

i respect that.
im starting modded. bc LOLnothx to all that i dont need no achievements

[thorn imp]

i just plug what I want out of it and just brain a build in my head with what it requires

[violet vector]

yepyep, feels

[ornate totem]

you use external tools?

[violet vector]

wait, are you even getting achievements on steam for this?

[ornate totem]

I just look at the production rate and use a normal calculator

[violet vector]

i am so spoiled. i look at this x1k vanilla run like its just..lol

[thorn imp]

yep

not modded 🙂

[violet vector]

actual maniac
love it

[thorn imp]

only 3 I can't get this run because I wanted some sanity

but the rest of it I can and want to try

this is proving to be a big pain in the ass right now

[violet vector]

You are a better player than me.

[thorn imp]

its stabilizing LOL

[violet vector]

why? just go to another planet and do its sicence without yellow/purp?

[thorn imp]

I have to kill the stupid Demolishers to accomplish Vulcanus shenanigans

[ornate totem]

its not hard to kill a demolisher

though I suppose you'd have to kill several for x1k levels of space

[violet vector]

ah, yeh, they messed me up a bit. did it with nuclear reactors.
apparantly the meta is a tank with uranium shells?
which is yellow...

oh

so,

about those nuclear reactors

[thorn imp]

yeah.... I'd love to have that right now

[violet vector]

whats the trick? i messed around with them in such a stupid way i just know there have to be better ways

[thorn imp]

instead I'm waiting on this and some poison

and Dmg 3

[ornate totem]

killing spoilers:
||40 gun turrets with red ammo and poison caps works great||

[opal veldt]

I don’t understand the poison thing

[violet vector]

If I become actually serious about my own modded x1k run, i might have to upgrade my pc
bc this has potential for grandiosity lmao

[opal veldt]

It barely does any damage to those guys

[thorn imp]

its because it stacks like crazy appearently

[ornate totem]

it stacks like crazy

[violet vector]

probably because worms have really low poison resistance,
but then ppl ignore the low dmg of the thing itself
but it stacks..?

[ornate totem]

it basically fully negates the regen and then turrets can take out the health

[violet vector]

what if the worm kills you, will it destroy your entire vulcanus base. lol

[opal veldt]

It’s just a total pain in the ass to try to throw 100 poison capsules at a demolished

[ornate totem]

the poison does damage to every single segment it is touching

[thorn imp]

head is 10% body is 50%

[ornate totem]

less resistance than other damage types

[thorn imp]

bricks

@vernal pike its still a wave

shenanigans

slightly wider, but built crazy and slow

climbing

[violet vector]

nice

how many hours is that save currently?

[thorn imp]

over here just getting throughput

[thorn imp]

if I can get I can catapult I think

[violet vector]

with what specifically? the defender capsules or something?

[thorn imp]

going for the achievements on this save is also whats's taking so long

[thorn imp]

higher damage for turrets and poison capsules

[violet vector]

aye

[thorn imp]

it will help smooth ship travel too

[violet vector]

imagine the bragging rights though.....

[thorn imp]

this ship is slow traveling because its literally bulldozing asteroids

[violet vector]

i love it

i need these grandious builds

[thorn imp]

finally no more buffer on the miners

[violet vector]

that....is a very weird mining setup to my standards

what do you mean with buffers on miners?

like, you can use a balancer book in vanilla 😭

[thorn imp]

I have been lmao

[violet vector]

aylmao

[thorn imp]

they are all green no "yellow" output full" text

[violet vector]

hmkay hmkay
full throughput at any time

[thorn imp]

what happens when you try to slightly DI

[violet vector]

i dont know what DI means, but that looks like a typical military setup with a little bend 😛

[thorn imp]

Direct Insertion

[violet vector]

ah

[thorn imp]

I know slightly nighttime but like this

[violet vector]

i can never direct insert as well as the people doing jenga extreme beacon edition setups
but that would work lol

multiply by a hundred or so 😛

[thorn imp]

Current world platforms 215hrs

hopefully murdering a demo soon for bigger miners to help produce more iron/science

[violet vector]

I love it

your nauvis build feels surprisingly compact, i like it a lot

i might buy a new pc if i go crazy on this x1k run...

[thorn imp]

Nauvis, while increased on ore I want to still attempt to use it all. so I try to build compact, but more. It really works the brain out 😭

[violet vector]

ez

the tricky part is transporting them across planets, or shipping the grey rockstuff. idk didnt go beyond that

[violet vector]

aylmao
it looks quite satisfying i must admit. almost like a factorio startscreen

ppl should have contests btw, make the best screensaver build

[thorn imp]

when we get things back online I swear my power grid might just die

the battery is buffer for the charge or random power spikes

[violet vector]

2,5gw prod
ez

[thorn imp]

all steam boilers 😁

[violet vector]

any major fps/ups considerations for your x1k run btw or like nah?

[thorn imp]

I deleted Pollution/expansion/exolution from biters

so they dont have extra calculation and its on peaceful so they arent tracking everywhere

[violet vector]

i do want peaceful off, to make gleba spoilage mean anything
is the tracking that bad?

[thorn imp]

I don't fully know tbh

[violet vector]

fair, appreciated

expansion is off, so its kill once

[thorn imp]

ye

that damage upgrade is actually bonkers

[violet vector]

i wonder if gleba (biter?) spoilage, turned into enemies, will still attack nearby buildings if no pollution is present

how are you doing your oil btw? just the dirty adv oil, pipe overflows, into petroleum storage that gets emptied every now and then? or like....?

[thorn imp]

pick a build at random and I'll show you 🙂

[violet vector]

i mean

honestly, i just make train worlds. because choochoo

i make one big frigoff adv oil setup that delivers to everywhere

[thorn imp]

this is 4 belts of plastic

[violet vector]

thats relatively small

i like it

very different approach. its not global but local

[thorn imp]

Solid fuel 2 belts powering 1,600 boilers

[violet vector]

so whats your rocket fuel like? just trash leftover oil basically or dedicated?

[thorn imp]

right now, fairly tiny

[violet vector]

ez

i keep getting surprised by how different people can build. i love it a lot

[thorn imp]

solid fuel, for train refueler, overflow to a power plant

[violet vector]

so its all local? if that oil runs out, youre going to build a new one elsewhere?

[thorn imp]

yeah

[violet vector]

see, thats the part i want to avoid
but, yknow, i can deal with the petroleum buffer

[thorn imp]

this world I want 0 trains with ore if possible I used to play with 1 place for smelting iron/copper/steel/stone brick

[violet vector]

i dont do ore trains, unless i want to watch trains run
ore is local
oil isnt

[thorn imp]

there were soo many ore trains clogging the works 😦

[violet vector]

😦 i feel you

its fun to watch them run, but like

imagine building a 16x belt green chip setup with trains, and its all done with raw ore

what, who, me? no sir nuh uh not me definitely not nuh uh

[thorn imp]

Dear God... 60i/s belts on trains on that world were just... GET ME OUT

one sec

this was my 1.1 x1k that took 406hrs to launch rocket. 100hrs afk

[violet vector]

ez

i like the style in your new one a lot

[thorn imp]

I definitely feel more compact

time to go murder me a demo

[violet vector]

o7

plan of attack?

?

[thorn imp]

yeah

[violet vector]

o7

[thorn imp]

gonna lite the rest of this up and just pray

[violet vector]

ngl, i can see it waltzing right through there

godspeed

[thorn imp]

as in me dying?

[violet vector]

i mean

......yes?

BUT
those things have terrorized me up to the point of me resorting to nuclear reactor traps i might be predesositionedorgrned

[thorn imp]

I guess I'll find out

[violet vector]

just play around

[thorn imp]

save the map and explode

[violet vector]

yepyep

[thorn imp]

ahhh its closing into the trap!

[thorn imp]

aight we set up now

moved em all

saves game

LETS GOOO

[violet vector]

👀 ok so that works. o-kay

[thorn imp]

damage 3 and a metric crap ton of turrets

lmao

[violet vector]

thats so much better than reactors

oh yh, it drops that raw ore

are you 100% unspoiled?

[thorn imp]

I had damage 3 speed 2 and yellow ammo

[thorn imp]

yeah

[violet vector]

Copy 🫡

[thorn imp]

every little thing is new to me

[violet vector]

i was so overstimulated in regular gameplay. cant imagine x1k lmao

dlc is great. cracktorio for the next few years

[thorn imp]

demo has a lot of ore

[violet vector]

theres an actual ore patch somewhere

[violet vector]

jfc

yes

[thorn imp]

thats what I was trying to uncover

currently cleaning up the turret mess

[violet vector]

im trying to keep my mouth shut about whats to come lmao

i started my x1k and i almost forgot how rough the start is

[thorn imp]

I built all of that but didnt get this

[violet vector]

i experimented with that

built on the area
it didnt give af
had to run up there like a rabbid turkey to lure it towards the reactor trap

it might have an area around its head or w/e where it counts and detects it, instead of being a zone-wide thingy

[thorn imp]

so the only thing I can go for now is cliff explosives or Asteroid thingy, or coal liquefaction

[violet vector]

Cliff explosives. prio #1.

[thorn imp]

yeah I'm with you there

[violet vector]

like
look at the map
look at the science cost
bruh

its a fun build tbf

[thorn imp]

all 500k each

😭

[violet vector]

aylmao

AYLMAO

[thorn imp]

this small cruiser

[ornate totem]

cliff explosives are great

also, use more thrusters, its more efficient so you'll get more thrust for the same amount of fuel

[violet vector]

where would vulcanus be without /strikethrough lava /strikethrough cliffs

[thorn imp]

I had 3 on this ship. it was bulldozing the asteroids so I had to reduce

[ornate totem]

fair enough

[thorn imp]

I've clocked it too lol

where the solar panels are now, is where the thrusters were tho

[thorn imp]

we limit testing now

[thorn imp]

starter ore aquired

[ornate totem]

needs more miners

I have all of my first patch (default patch sizes) and it still isn't producing a full red belt

[thorn imp]

[thorn imp]

that is cool

[thorn imp]

storing science be like

[strange moss]

Lmao

[sand temple]

i hate buffered science, why do you do this

ok im kidding, the only buffer thats good is train and belt buffer, not chest loading train

Damn okay just realized, buffer chests are utterly pointless

[thorn imp]

they are pointless, its only science packs that are buffered because I'm constantly changing them

its "buffer" is the ship lol

[thorn imp]

90% of my trains don't have chests attached

It's actually kinda cool setting up just another train instead of a chest

This base is full of new experience and different play, and so far I thoroughly enjoy it

[silver fox]

Oh, you got enough damage to not be negative on ammo?

1k of buffer is kinda low, you would probably want to scale up production.

[jaunty ginkgo]

Is this an unmodded playthrough btw @thorn imp?

[thorn imp]

Yeah, finally. The 1k is because I currently only have 2 on the ground making them

[thorn imp]

Yeah

[thorn imp]

I redesigned it a couple times

[thorn imp]

I am still contemplating expanding again and doing a full ammo belt, full asteroid belt

[vernal pike]

you should consider sushi

its not bad for ship

[thorn imp]

Current ship is 1/2 and 1/2

[vernal pike]

wdym

[thorn imp]

That belt by the ammo at the top and sides that runs down is half ammo half asteroids

[vernal pike]

ah

[thorn imp]

Yeah gonna get the remaining damage upgrades then build a ship that slowly flies back and forth for science reasons

[thorn imp]

Well for reasons this is going to be the one and only restart to the base.

I feel like I can do a few things faster, and I want to turn the spoiling rate waaaaay down. Just found out what that mechanic was on and I franky don't want to build a big ass spaghetti base with circuits, I'd rather build a base that looks neater.

Gonna rename the thread to v.2 and maybe also change the map because the ore settings don't allow a lot of building space

I also feel like I can make chem and military science sooner to prepare rocket silo and space science things

It would also help space science production now knowing that mechanic a lot more

GG's Vanilla x1k Space Age Edition v1 & v2

[silver fox]

Wait, you are restarting? You are crazy.

[thorn imp]

There are mechanics I just found out about later in the game that I would like to be able to deal with in a sane manner >.>

that was one of the only reasons for this restart

[toxic depot]

I did played in a run with 1m spm with the default spoilage, that was end game though. Spoilage requires a different kind a factory in order to scale up

[silver fox]

You will need the following tip for later:
||Nutrients recycle into spoilage||.

[thorn imp]

I also think the middle spawn ore being less toxic would be good

[toxic depot]

Yeah that ore patch is so cursed

[thorn imp]

this spawn ore is just tragic trash

[silver fox]

Looks pretty normal for iron size at max.

[thorn imp]

thats 400% not 600%

600% makes it worse

and 300% looks to be a good medium

[silver fox]

Yeah, as I said.

[thorn imp]

there is a lot of space w/o ore now

[silver fox]

Do you really need a starting patch?

[thorn imp]

no, but it helps

[thorn imp]

that sounds like that would help the rates tbh

[silver fox]

The problem is, you need some spoilage.

Like, it is required to craft sulfur for sulfuric acid and carbon for carbon fiber (though you can drop both from space).

With 10% spoiling rate, you won't get it the normal way.

[thorn imp]

so maybe instead of 100% I'll drop it to 50%

that sounds like a happy medium

[silver fox]

Well, 10% is workable, but you will need to visit before and most likely import rocket components because guess what other thing requires spoiling to be useful.

[thorn imp]

yeah, this looks 10x better than the previous lower resource area for more building space

have to use a few more trains, but thats fine

[silver fox]

Is it fine to have iron and copper together in the east?

[thorn imp]

that's where I setup a build earlier

cause this is in the north, there is no way around it

that patch will be useful for direct concrete

well hold up

GG's Vanilla x1k Space Age Edition

[silver fox]

We are back?

[sand temple]

Oh ig thats reasonable, you can do neat gleba with default settings, personal preference tho

[thorn imp]

I think the challenge of the run and base also has different challenges and I need to not just "steer" it to easier time

[thorn imp]

Yes, we are back

I'm not driving this train off of the track anymore. We gonna take this head up

its a science multiplier, not a "make game easier" challenge

also this close to a tank. yeah NO. not giving into the pressure of that restart button

220hrs yeah we are sending this challenge

[violet vector]

Don't.

dont listen to those demons

i need to watch this save grow while i build my own cheated modded run lol

[thorn imp]

The train will keep steaming!

[violet vector]

choochoo mfkr

[thorn imp]

I kept contemplating the other day with the asteroid increase and the spoilage and it's just like that's just part of the challenge. I need to stop finding a way to make it easier and just do it

[violet vector]

just do it. youre already committed.

[thorn imp]

community here is 3/4 of the fun. Keeps the motivation higher

[violet vector]

a restart is not even needed, it's console commands.,............................... but achievements

nuclear emergency option. it doesnt even exist, really.

man i love to see how others build

i always think like "yh, i totally know what im doing! uhuh go me"
and then someone else pulls off something great and its like

[thorn imp]

It's not needed and it won't happen

[violet vector]

o7

[thorn imp]

We are too invested! @silver fox @sand temple

THE BASE WILL LIVE!

[silver fox]

Hell yeah!

[sand temple]

As long as you finish the game im happy 🎺

[thorn imp]

The world will prevail 💪!

[coarse ledge]

wasting an underground

[opal veldt]

That person chin is a whole as pentagon

[coarse ledge]

honestly GG I think you would save a lot of sanity if you did a normal run of SA before attempting a x1k

[thorn imp]

There was something else there before and I have contemplated adding an ammo and asteroid separate belts

[opal veldt]

A^2+B^2 type shit

[thorn imp]

[opal veldt]

“Draw a house” type gif

[coarse ledge]

[thorn imp]

😭

[opal veldt]

Somebody made that gif

[thorn imp]

Got the tank to 75% so 25% more to go

Then it's either shooting speed or another damage upgrade

[opal veldt]

If you’re dreading gleba, that’s normal. It’s a weird planet. Module 3s will help a lot on gleba.

[vernal pike]

what have u got on vulcanus, do u have foundries finally?

[thorn imp]

Yep

[vernal pike]

LFG now u can invest into modules there

[thorn imp]

This is the current base over there, doesn't make much at the moment because I've been to focused on military science

Might start making military science on Vulcanus too 🤔

[vernal pike]

yh you can move everything bcs u can make more sciences on vulcanus and almost for free

u just wont get uran so u need to import that

[thorn imp]

Probably, but I need to get the Vulcanus science to 500k then I can crank out some

[coarse ledge]

Don’t need uranium on Vulcanus except for as a tool to clear out demolishers

Just find some good sulfuric acid patches and beacon them to the max

[vernal pike]

yea

[coarse ledge]

Solar backups are very effective too

[empty cape]

ugh keep having power issues on valcanus

[opal veldt]

You’re in the wrong channel

[thorn imp]

well, power solved for now. 90/m is bad but stable

[thorn imp]

[stiff comet]

enjoy ur new mini spidertron

[thorn imp]

I'm making me a rare one lol

[sand temple]

Yoooo sick

Mine is common cuz i never have to use it again

And its easy to lose

[thorn imp]

Decided to get me one to run around Vulcanus with

[coarse ledge]

make sure to start saving up for rare power armor mk2

rare blue circuits are very hard to come by

[thorn imp]

That's true

[thorn imp]

Is there a weight to thrusters ratio?

[violet vector]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/eykhbatbn6

It's actually way more about width

[thorn imp]

🤔

Oh really

[toxic depot]

sadly, the fastest ships are just flying needles

[violet vector]

ngl,, i love factorio devs. but i hate how they make it seem like its about weight

[thorn imp]

That's how it looks at first

[violet vector]

i mean,
that makes perfect sense tho

but give us all variables. not just weight. and then make weight like 5% of the equation

[violet vector]

if the internet/discord wouldnt exist, almost nobody would know

[silver fox]

And then you learn there is a hidden weight of 10 000 tons that makes your weight-reducing efforts irrelevant.

[thorn imp]

🙂

[hallow path]

Rare tank!! I should make one of those in my world 🤔

You can remote drive tanks!!

And fill their equipment grid with roboports

So basically a shitty spidertron :3

[coarse ledge]

it's an early game spidertron equivalent to deal with issues and expansion while offworld

not a shitty spidertron

[stiff comet]

mine ran into a few buildings and exploded

so much for expandability

[thorn imp]

Made it for Vulcanus tbh

[coarse ledge]

well you might want the extra health for dealing with demolishers

a normal tank will work fine on Nauvis

[slender cobalt]

the formula is in lua instead of c++, alongside comments. EZ to find if you are a modder lol

[slender cobalt]

how does that make weight reducing irrelevant though? It only makes weight reducing for heavy ships actually matter

if you mean if that variable is 0 instead of 10000 then yeah that 10000 ton indeed makes it irrelevant lol, but I think that weight influence thing is deliberately added so weight does anything at all

[violet vector]

I believe you, that's not my area of expertise

Very cool!

Point still stands though, weight's effect is quite misleading from what info they give us

[slender cobalt]

yeah they should make the side panel show platform width especially since it's already computed

unfortunately it's not moddable

[silver fox]

Well, sure, it does matter for heavy ships, but normal ships are not heavy. Reducing it from 700 to 400 is actually reducing from 10700 to 10400.

[slender cobalt]

yeah I think I understand what you meant now, since the heavy weight become slower thing is in a seperate line from other drag calculation stuff, I always thought of it as a separate mechanic making the ships slower

[silver fox]

Yeah, see that 1 + weight / 10000000?
This is the same as (weight + 10000000) / 10000000.

So, basically, there is a hidden 10000000 kg added to the weight for the calculations.

[slender cobalt]

yeah I know that already

I just think of that entire line as a mechanic, without that line weight is irrelevant

you describing it as hidden weight also makes sense

[thorn imp]

I hope I can get more damage upgrades and clear a few more demos out

Tungsten mines sooo damn slow

[violet vector]

How have the worms been going?

Turret strat reigning supreme or like..?

[thorn imp]

Turret strat seems great tbh

You just need to place more turrets than you think

[violet vector]

How much more

[thorn imp]

At damage 3 I needed 250 turrets about 50 died

[violet vector]

ez
small worm?

[thorn imp]

Yeah

Place let it hit and done

[violet vector]

aye

sounds like a fun and easy BP tbh
the anti-worm turret field

[thorn imp]

Placing the ammo with low bot cargo was the hard part I had to hand place

[violet vector]

i just found out you can bp the ammo as well
so i was super happy
but yh, rip

[thorn imp]

Yeah, killing more won't be a problem

It's just getting that much ammo reserved

[violet vector]

why? you importing uranium ammo?

vulcanus is ridiculously easy to upscale production. have you seen the foundries?

[slender cobalt]

for medium worms with low ammo damage research ofc

not exactly doable with red ammo and damage 3

[violet vector]

makes sense

aye

[thorn imp]

I don't have yet

[violet vector]

🫦 Red ammo?

[slender cobalt]

waiting for
sooner or later it's gonna be needed to actually progress but currently just red ammo killing small worms is probably enough

[thorn imp]

Waiting for Cliff explosives, then ez

[thorn imp]

The amount of steel needed for red ammo is it truly worth the damage

[coarse ledge]

When the materials are free

Yes

[opal veldt]

Importing green ammo or uranium is actually fine and good.

[violet vector]

Idk, i sucked at worms. But anything metal is basically free on vulcanus after foundries

But worm regen might be a pain

Id listen to the other ppl regarding importing uranium tbh

[violet vector]

Wait

WAIT

ARE YOU SAYING YOU ARE CURRENTLY USING YELLOW AMMO???

[thorn imp]

Yes

[violet vector]

🫡

[thorn imp]

I tried it, because I needed the tungsten and I didn't want to wait for red ammo

[violet vector]

Makes sense
And hey it's x1k with the same amount of worms

Im just, surprised
And impressed

I started my own x1k world. QOL modded though. You inspire me lol

Would it be offensive if I also made a little x1k thread?

[thorn imp]

We have had a thread over here: #1188693488464834623 message for a while I kept posting updates on there but then when people saw it in the vanilla channel wanted to keep following the base.

I wouldn't be offended if you started your own thread

[coarse ledge]

so previously with electric furnaces it would be efficient to smelt at the ore patch and then deliver the processed material to the factory

if you had steel furnaces you'd need to deliver coal to the patch which incentivized having a central smelting location

but now it seems like it's reversed that again because now you need calcite for foundry smelting

[thorn imp]

It's crazy 🤣

[coarse ledge]

a wagon can hold 4,000 iron plates, but a fluid wagon holding 50,000 molten iron is equivalent to 7,500 plates

[thorn imp]

450k to go

[stiff comet]

aren't cliffs disabled on all surfaces?

[silver fox]

You cannot disable Vulcanus cliffs through settings.

[stiff comet]

damn, that sucks XD

be it that Vulcanus wouldn't look half as good without it

so me understand

[thorn imp]

It's not too to bad, just a very heavy nuisance

[stiff comet]

yea

like if you build at that large of a scale and need to go out of your way to build around the cliffs/ adjust the buildings

instead of just being able to paste it down

I would def go for cliff explosives too, as without you would just be asikng for an entire build rebuilding later down the line, lul

be it that lava acts the same way too, but that has an obvious barrier to it

[thorn imp]

I went for rush to space and logistics embargo

[thorn imp]

gettinv vulcanus online

[thorn imp]

CRANKING

[coarse ledge]

MA HOG

[thorn imp]

turned teh base on

[coarse ledge]

not using nuclear power yet?

[thorn imp]

nope

[coarse ledge]

well, you should get it started soon

Fulgora is further from the star than Nauvis is, so sunlight is reduced

nuclear power isn't really viable on Fulgora anyway, but you might want some fission power for your armor grid

[thorn imp]

this?

[coarse ledge]

yeah

you'll want that later

[thorn imp]

So I need Cliff explosives

[coarse ledge]

cliff explosives can take priority since you're working on Vulcanus currently

just later on, that'll be useful when you're prepared to go to a new planet

[thorn imp]

Progress update
Getting the next ship ready before the planet researches and cranking out more military for better asteroid killing

Main base is a stable 3600 now tho

[coarse ledge]

You got green belts yet?

[opal veldt]

Not before purple science

[coarse ledge]

I don’t know how you’re gonna manage some of the other planets… but they’ve got some very nice stuff to really complement green belts and other things from Vulcanus

[opal veldt]

Gleba is gonna be the next step

It’s self sustaining so they won’t need to do expansion

[silver fox]

I don't think it is a good idea to go for extra researches in a x1k run.

[violet vector]

Why not? Just let the science run continuously. Worst case you find any malfunctions earpy

[silver fox]

Why not instead run the sciences necessary to win first? The planets themselves should not take a lot of time, comparatively.

[violet vector]

Fair point actually, in comparison the planets themselves are a small task in x1k

Still not too worried about it, I play quite slowly. But that's a valid variable

[signal crown]

wow lol

[thorn imp]

They currently take about 8 hrs and your not wrong I could do that and set up a small base on each

[thorn imp]

I'm just wanting to get cliff explosive at the moment going for yellow and purple science next so I have elevated rail and more

[thorn imp]

I've been basing research on a semi useful factor, "how much do I feel I need this" like example I have damage 4 shooting 2 right now for military science because I saw asteroids delete faster with more damage and I didn't want to waste ammo

[signal crown]

what's your planet hopping plan ? vulcanis first i guess 😉

[thorn imp]

I'm on Vulcanus now, I think Fulgora next then Gleba

[stiff comet]

tbh I'm interested if you'll even bother to do science on Fulgora

won't spoil the reason, but I'm having a hard time imagining it, less the world gen was heavily modified for it

[thorn imp]

I didn't even look on the map settings how the planets looked, so I can't tell you honestly

I've been looking at the planet tech after I research the planet

[silver fox]

Isn't the pack limited to being crafted on the planet?

[thorn imp]

Inner planets cargo ship, designed for cargo and not speed

[silver fox]

You cannot really afford too much speed anyway.

[stiff comet]

it is, more so worried about ||how little space there is to build everything, plus then comes the power struggles... he'll need to like make an interconnected network of islands, which is honestly pure madness, and prior to Aquilo I don't see a sane solution for any of this either... Fulgora is great, but the moment you want to build anything at a larger scale it kicks you in the ass.||

[silver fox]

You can always make separate cells since it is self-sufficient.

Jush have like sixty 100 SPM builds.

[stiff comet]

if I were to attempt this challenge, I would likely ||use Fulgora for nothing but to make EM plants at a Large scale, and move onto other planets till it becomes a must. As well as ship off Heavy Oil, cause it's infinite~||

[stiff comet]

I mean the scale at which you need to mine, and deliver Scrap with trains I imagine would still be a spectacle

any other method you're asking for trouble

[silver fox]

I mean, having completely separate networks.

Like, find a big place, connect it to one-two mines via rail, build processing, do not sweat it.

You do not need any deliveries so each cell can work perfectly fine.

[sand temple]

Yooo sick upgrade

Wanna see my upgrade?

[thorn imp]

thanks

[thorn imp]

Sure

[sand temple]

Max speed like 300 or som

[thorn imp]

Damn

Mine is Max 190, but I have it throttling at 80-100 because why bother

[sand temple]

I wanna go fast

Rlly fast

Fast enough that it deals with less total asteroids

[sand temple]

“Long boi” is what ichy and posture check both called it lol

[silver fox]

I have an actual long boi: ship with width 10. Totally impractical but fun.

[sand temple]

Lol this one is width 14

Max length forward

I added 2 extra thrusters do so its 21 tiles now

[silver fox]

Uh, it has five thrusters, it cannot possibly be smaller than 22.

[sand temple]

In the bp its 5 but i built around 3 before hand

[sand temple]

Can do 21 tiles

[silver fox]

Ah.

How?

[sand temple]

Think @tawny rain showed me this

[silver fox]

Hm.

[sand temple]

Yeah

21 tiles ez

[silver fox]

Okay, and you definitely cannot do 20 - but this is a cool design.

[tawny rain]

That wasn't me, but neat design

[sand temple]

Shi damn gimme a sec ill go see who

#space-age message
thanks @uncut frost lol

[tawny rain]

I like this thruster design I made for small ship though 🙂

[silver fox]

Small ship with big dreams

[thorn imp]

How to get people into a thread be like

I'll show the bottom thruster design I figured out here in a little bit

[thorn imp]

I know stacking these would make it weird, but would it have less pipe?

[thorn imp]

wrong boat, here it is

[violet vector]

👀

[tawny rain]

It sure would have less pipe if they were stacked, but the symmetry is nice 🙂

[thorn imp]

Today we hope to get Fulgora online

[vernal pike]

pepela

[hallow path]

I can't wait to see how you tackle Fulgora! It's gonna be real interesting to see how the science modifier plays into what your strategy is

[thorn imp]

I have about 20% research left on it, but 200k science should go quick

[thorn imp]

Got Quality>?

[opal veldt]

I thought that was a demolisher

On the top left

[thorn imp]

lol, yeah it startled me too

[opal veldt]

I play with smoke off

[coarse ledge]

not good

[thorn imp]

slow boat = LOTS of asteroids

[coarse ledge]

you put thrusters on that thing

[thorn imp]

hell yeah

wow

thats science on the platform

[sand temple]

Yooo nice

[thorn imp]

HERE IT COMES!

alsso made the space science ship move.....

now to get the remaining pieces online

[hallow path]

SOON

Want general tips for Fulgora or wanna go in completely blind?

[coarse ledge]

blind

he'll be thrown for a loop

[hallow path]

Hehehehe

||I didn't bring enough elevated rails my first time in and it was PAIN until I sent in another shipment from Nauvis lol||

[coarse ledge]

||I didn't have elevated rails for my first time||

[hallow path]

||WHAT. HOW.||

[coarse ledge]

||Fulgora was my first planet while also doing rush to space, had to make do with 500k worth of scrap and normal quality electric drills||

[hallow path]

||absolutely terrifying concept. You are braver than any marine o7||

[sand temple]

||you had quality drills? I had normal drills 🤑||

[coarse ledge]

||normal quality||

||basic||

[sand temple]

Shi i misread mb

||i did fulgora without bots as my first planet ||

[hallow path]

||i didn't use bots for production, only for construction and a mini mall. all the regular stuff + scrap sorting and science is belt based :P||

[thorn imp]

Y'all and the spoiler text, glad I'm going in blind 🤣

[sharp salmon]

zamn

[thorn imp]

Well, if I can find a way to get the remaining rare assemblers and solar panels I'll have a ship to

[violet vector]

the more i play this x1k, the more i Respect how you do the start without early game bots

[stiff comet]

I uh... would give solar efficiency a look before doing that.

[thorn imp]

I built a ship that runs off of battery power while it loops around

[stiff comet]

ah, thought ur talking about the ground base~

[thorn imp]

Naw the ship

[hallow path]

What's your battery ship look like? :3

[thorn imp]

I can show you when I have a moment, that's why it's taking forever

[coarse ledge]

since you've been to Vulcanus now, you should consider using metal casting for iron plate production

you would need to deliver calcite to your space platform but it uses very little so that shouldn't be an issue

[thorn imp]

🤔

The casting that doesn't require stone as output

[coarse ledge]

iron ore to molten iron yeah

it does not produce stone

only lava to molten metal produces stone, think of the stone as an impurity removal

[thorn imp]

Now you got me braining out something for the Vulcanus ship to test it

[thorn imp]

climbing!

[signal crown]

well , aint that a sight !

[lime patio]

Why four? Is it more efficient?

[thorn imp]

Wym? The 4 chained? That's the furthest it can go before it's pointless to move it

[lime patio]

Pointless to move what, the structure or the science?

[thorn imp]

The science after 4 inserter swings feels like it's moving more than it's using

Sorry that early comment was blunt I wasn't awake. Don't normally do that

[thorn imp]

I'm gonna get cliff explosives this weekend and work on purple/yellow science to get Fulgora up and running

[thorn imp]

we are venturing into more unknown territory! Man I hope I can get my stream setup fixed

[lime patio]

You will want those yellow science

IMHO more important than cliff explosives considering you are on Fulgora

[thorn imp]

The Achievements are also a want this run 🙂

[lime patio]

I figured (I would too), but now that you arnt barred from yellow...

Correction; purple. Purple is what Im thinking

[thorn imp]

yeah I need to back track and get Purple/yellow online

[hallow path]

ITS FINALLY DONE

[hallow path]

Fulgora time! Yeah now that you can, I highly recommend purple science for Fulgora. Fulgora is doable without it, but purple has one tech that is REALLY REALLY useful here

Honestly really impressive work to get those achievements on a x1k run!

[sand temple]

or go fulgora 🤔

[thorn imp]

Yeah I really noticed playing a bit that a bot Network wouldn't be that bad to set up, only reason people do rail is because that ocean ring

[coarse ledge]

you don't even need requestor chests

you can set a manual delivery in buildings

so it's perfectly possible to go to another planet and then have your bots set up a mall without any requestor chests back on Nauvis

[opal veldt]

Fulgora rewards are pretty good for vertical expansion on other planets. Getting purple or yellow science first might be best though

Either one would facilitate a good fulgora SPM but in different ways

[late totem]

isnt this just normal space age ???

[opal veldt]

Yea

[thorn imp]

Yeah, just x1k technology Costs, no other mods involved

[thorn imp]

The recycling i haven't figured out just yet

[opal veldt]

Don’t overthink it

[late totem]

what is technology cost

[thorn imp]

The multiplier on the technology example, instead of Logistics costing 20 it's 20k

Add 3 0's to every tech

[late totem]

WTF

HOW

i can barly beat normal

😦

[thorn imp]

I'm crazy 🤣

[thorn imp]

Prolly about a week old photo but this is Nauvis

Has on it

[late totem]

i dont know what nauvis is

[thorn imp]

O.o have you not ventured into space age yet?

That's the main home planet name

[late totem]

getting it for christmas

[thorn imp]

Oh! Enjoy it, I won't say much more unless you know about the game

[late totem]

yeah i only beat vanilla once and it was so fun

[opal veldt]

Nice with space age that you basically get to beat the game again

[thorn imp]

awe CRAP

[thorn imp]

Well, other than needing to get military back online it looks like I might want to just move to Vulcanus now that cliff explosives are unlocked

I may consider that tomorrow

[hallow path]

Honestly, a lot of people move their entire main bases to Vulcanus
The availability of metals from just calcite and lava, plus the abundance of solar power and ease of sulfuric acid power make it very appealing

There are some late game recipes that can only be made on Nauvis later on, but at your current stage, moving to Vulcanus is entirely viable lol

[late totem]

how are u better on this than i am on normal

[coarse ledge]

@thorn imp how are you liking recyclers?

[signal crown]

they are the same game , just use a planning calculator if you need to expand 😉

[thorn imp]

It's interesting. I'm still trying to figure them out but having a 🗑️ for items is nice

[thorn imp]

It's a lot of just thinking "where do I want this" or "how much do I need of this"

[thorn imp]

Vulcanus is looking more and more appealing after being unable to keep military science at my target of 3600. So I'm going to be getting a quick way to blow up demos and cliffs and move

[coarse ledge]

well it's not just a trash

it's also a quality loop

(at the expense of losing 75% of the resources every cycle)

[thorn imp]

Upcycling I've heard a lot about, I might find a way to do it

[coarse ledge]

I have plenty I could do on Nauvis, Vulcanus and Fulgora

but I've decided to leave Fulgora and head back to Nauvis so that I can prepare for my next planet

this is the one I worry about the most

but if I can get something set up and working it will have many benefits

[thorn imp]

Because I only have rare quality, I might think of something to just start. Guaranteeing rares but I don't have quality twos yet so it might get a little funky

[coarse ledge]

Fulgora seems like the obvious choice for doing quality stuff since that's where you get recyclers and free high tier resources, but honestly Vulcanus is better

Fulgora you get red and blue circuits from scrap recycling, but you don't get many of them and most of your production is set up for just getting holmium ore

Vulcanus takes more steps, but you can introduce quality into those steps and can craft the resources in large quantities

[coarse ledge]

automation 1 (assemblers) is always 10 science so it's just a matter of building large

easy on Nauvis

...difficult in other places

[thorn imp]

Yeah I wouldn't think about mega basing a normal world till after beacons

[thorn imp]

I'm thinking about getting a small build to get beacons, and then just rebuilding

[coarse ledge]

I need to rebuild Nauvis

but I don't wanna

[coarse ledge]

my production on Nauvis has essentially died

when I built my spaghetti factory, everything was fed by one red belt of iron plates

it's still running at max capacity, but any buffers from the belts have truly been exhausted

[coarse ledge]

for now I've improved blue circuit production a bit with EM plants

[thorn imp]

noice

[coarse ledge]

and new green circuit production, I'm particularly proud of this

[thorn imp]

I think its time we figure out

[coarse ledge]

QUALITY those beacons

it's worth it

[thorn imp]

O.o holy fuck

[opal veldt]

Almost double