#stardew-valley
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meh i cant socialize
They don't bite you know
i got 8k at rn should i buy all this to strawberry?
why
it’s what you want ig
if you want earn money every couple days strawberry is pretty good
mkmk
Buy every crops of the season
That what I was doing
I planted every crops and put them on the chest I use fish as a income
that works too
Now I'm gonna sleep....I'll figure out my plan Ina few days
But I think if I get someone to help me make kegs I'm set
Sorry I'm thinking aloud atm
On my playthrough I am almost at Krobus roomie time
It is time for funny shadow friendo
Sometimes collecting every crops will be useful later
Cooking. Cooking for perfection
Can I ask some advice?
mhm
What's the best way to get your income to 10mil
Perfection? For what?
Make artisan goods
Deluxe speedgro starfruit grown on ||ginger island|| and made into iridium wine
Yep
Starfruit wine all de way
How does one get iridium
how long does it take wine to become iridium?
PERFECTION?
A perk?
The mines but again
Hey I’m trying to get a npc to like me but i don’t have any progress on it
Am I doing something wrong?
I’ve been giving then gifts they don’t love but like
I hired it would work
Nu nu
It’s called the skull caverns
Iridium wine
guys when can beets be grown
Oh age with casks
oh wOw
okay thank you
You can put artisan goods in casks
Casks?
And it slowly increases their quality
Wow nice it's alive
Huh.... Cool
okay, thanks again
are you still like at low hearts or something?
DM me that info mell I'll forget
housing is expensive
They are many artisan goods out there besides wine, cheese, cloth, and mayonnaise are artisan goods too :P
Indeed
So pretty much patience too
Yup
Mayo empire
bai
Good Night kurei-chin
Gn
bai bai
So I'm nearing the end of spring, what season is next so I know what crops to get?
guys should i buy 5 rare seeds

oh okay, thank you
m'person tips my hat
lmaooo
hello lol
Which Stardew bachelor(ette) is most likely to be Spiderman debate now
or don’t
I’m not a god I can’t will people to talk
Tbh 😭
None of them give me Spider-Man vibes
But probably Sebastian, Haley, or Alex
seb gives me spiderman vibes

what the hell man delete my face reveal
Leah could be Spiderman
LMAOO
I think she would be a good Spiderman
OHHH THATS SO TRUE
i'd say shane because he reminds me of like the divorced spiderman
Ohj I lowk forgor about her 💀
Peter B 😭
😭
Love that he’s the divorced Spiderman now
TRUE 💀💀
The reason I don’t think Sebastian would be Spiderman is because I don’t think he cares enough about other peoples problems
Maru would also be a great spiderman
She could make the web gadgets
peni parker as maru would be cool
Honestly I only said Haley cos of Gwen 💀
both makes robots and gadgets
blondes
Even tho Alex as Spider-Man is like
So cliche
His background is probably fitting 💀
Oh my god 😭
I actually don’t remember Shane’s relationship to marine
5 ft. under mom
Marnie
marnie's shane's aunt
Marine
Oh ok so I’m right
That’s why Jodi wants to leave him
||Kent|| should be a bachelor fr

oh hey cool linus event
Robin should be a bachelor 😍😍 (I am not attracted to women)
he made me follow him into his tent and then weird sounds happened 😳
People be saying Demetrius is a horrible person and that he doesn’t deserve Robin
Oh no
When they’re literally just vibing
oh ists just fish bait
He’s not even that bad
He’s just some dude
demetrius is cool
I always be seeing them dancing, and sweet talking, and they stand together outside their house
Like theyre just jealous he snatched up a baddy and Robin is married 💀
They’re like the one healthy relationship
GEORGE AINT EVEN BAD
They and Evelyn and George are like the two healthy relationships
lmaoo
We all have our quirks
But it was kinda weird like during the Flower Dance when he was like ||he can’t even see the flowers|| when Evelyn spent a week on them 
No I’m joking I love Sebastian
I don’t like Demetrius that much but I don’t hate him
george is tsundere dont mind that
Old people couples are just like that
oh god i just imagined something
oh no
Hot George
wtf
elius huh???
George reminds me of my uncle
lmao
Every time I see your name “poached eggs” just flashes in my mind for a second
I may be hungry
Bro what 😭😭 yich was like he was a tsunder and then that he imagined something and I just thought it was hot george
OMG REALLY
nah i just imagined something between evelyn and george
you the one who thought about that
One thing I don’t like about Demetrius is how he clutches his belt for dear life
Cool it bud
true
bad stepdad
Idk anything about maru so he could generally be a bad dad though
poach like poached eggs
should i buy the fiberglass fishing rod or upgrade my tool to copper?
Why is hot george such an outlandish thing tho. Like he was definitely young at a certain time
mk!
sebastian locks himself in his room basically all day so idk
it took me two days to find him when i started the game lol
you meant to say hot peppers for george right ?
just missing "peppers for"
yes
I bet Evelyn was pretty young
i forgot to sell my fish of 4 day catch
where common mushroom
fall
or if you've picked mushrooms instead of bats, they're in the cave
yep
k
do the homework then
send gifts
where can i get coals?
dust sprites
reset floor 65
wym?
damn long way to go lol
if not just go mining
should i start now buying chicken?
you can get way more than 25 coal
i have coop now
should i start buying now?
im at day 25 spring i have pretty slow progress:(

damn really ?
is that sarcastic
nah its alright
okay, thank you
you can definitely get 100 in a day
when you kill enough dust sprites you'll get a ring that doubles drops
What is up
oh okay, thank you
so make sure to claim that from the adventurers guild
what's the ring called ?
the sky 
oo okay thanks xerro
It rolls your drop twice
oh also, i think you said something about ||farm warp totems|| right
mm sounds op
It is especially when you're farming dust sprites
i unlocked the recipe
very easy coal
oo okay, thanks again
I still need to unlock that recipe-
hehe i unlocked it with my 200 winter seeds
A
pain.
lol
does it feel nice ?
like playing with a controller
Would be nicer if it have a cord
😭
Don't know ahven't tried yet
i thought that you had the cord and was surprised
rip 
Yeah I don't have a cord
Ordered online though
gotta take 2-3 days before arriving
probably in 2 days tho
damn, 2 days before playing stardew with a controller
using tools might be harder though don't you think
Wassup guS
gus is at the saloon
Guys i mean lol

Lmfao
I'll play other games by then xD
xd have fun
can i plant summer seeds when im still at spring?
Nope
ohh okay
Unless you plant in the greenhouse
it's a pain to unlock though imo
Eh
can i feed the chickens?
yes
you feed them hay
which can either be bought at marnie or provided by the silo
whys my Chicken outside not inside lol
Hello chat I’m back!
Best crop for year2 spring with GI
you opened the hatch, but their mood will be better if let outside to eat grass
Ecological 
ohh okay i thought it's gon be gone 4ever lmao

do not close the door on them though
if it's night outside and the hatches are closed with your animals outside
||There’s actually a way for them to disappear while the night is happening||
their mood will lowe
lower
||and a chance of wolves to eat them||
ok gotta go now bye guys
is that a thing?
yes
||There is a rare chance that a wolf will come by and take one if you close the door before they come in.||
so how can i make them go inside the coop?
Cya
It’s scary 
Byee
They go inside by themselves unless you close their coops door on them
Hello ms impatient hru
Doing good 
That’s great 
I haven’t played stardew in months because I had a specific schedule everyday and I don’t remember it so now everytime I try to play again I just get worried and stressed
Hey !
Never had it happen to me yet
Stardew valley is for calming down and having fun at the same time. So whenever you play it, have lo-fi or some good music in the background. That will make it better.
Hello! Welcome to the stardew valley discord server!
I was excited to see that stardew had a discord !
Yeah I always had on this album Ann by the front bottoms and now when I hear it I feel like I’m playing stardew lol
Me too when I got here I knew I loved it. How far have you come in the game?
On year 3
That’s great. Hope you don’t get stressed in the future. Stay chill 
Spoiler DELETE
FAST
Phew
I’m sorry, spoilers belong in #stardew-spoilers if you are talented enough or don’t care about spoilers, then chat there instead
I’m there too sometimes
What trees are good in the spring
Fruit trees?
Or normal
Hello coalie!
Yes
year 419 surely that isn't true
Idk but I like to talk to him/her
What time is it where you are at?
what would you even do in year 419 lol
Still play cuz stardew is infinite 
Gosh
It’s like 8 am here
It’s 1:42 am for me
logical
Damn you up so early
Sureeee
bro what do you even do at that point
I haven’t got there yet sooo
Idk. Perhaps modding
If you have everything, you can just play other games or start a new safe file
If you’re on pc 
To which I'm not 
He holds hands with krobus all day every day and goes to sleep, repeat
Me neither 
So idk, I'll most probably start a new save at that point
Spoiler, idk?
Maybe
nah just a character
Ok
i’m new and i know him
My bad 😞
Sry he holds h**ds with krobus
Hello mauve!
Hii :D popping up cuz i have a question hehe
Go ahead
shoot
What question?
damn this question is looong
So clint asked me to bring him 25 copper ores, i brought it to him but somehow it doesnt count?? Idk, it count as a gift and when i talk to him he doesnt do anything
swallow
Hemhe
The quest maybe ran out of time
the quest still active?
Is it cuz it's the same ores i gave him for the previous inspection?
Yeah! Gave it to him the same day i got the quest
yeah i think you need to mine it after you pick up the quest
Ooooooh okay, to the mine we go, ty guys!! :D
np have fun on it
Slime my beloathed
?
I was talking abt the slimes in the mines sorry😭😭 they're so annoying, especially if it's almost 2 am and the floor is just full of 'em
Ahhh, indeed they are. But once you progress through the game more and more, the less they get annoying 
Aw but once you get better weapons (not gonna say the names of them) its so much easier
Not gonna say the names of them👁️👁️ guess it's a part of the lore?
Oh yeahi have another question srry, is it better to focus on mining or fishing at the start? '-'
When fishing i can walk around and forage, but it's so hard to actually catch a fish💀
Hey guys just want to say thanks for the advice in here the other night!!
Get the training rod from willy, it's pretty cheap and it'll make fishing a little easier
Spoilers that why I don’t say it
Oooh okay ty!
There’s chaos here #stardew-spoilers but spoiler alert
pretty hmuch yeah
Whoa what the heck do I do with this? Like, a meteor came crashing down, how do I mine that one?
Noice
anyone knows how to duplicate a save file?
I don't know if for sure will work, but I suspect go to the %appdata folder to copy the file there
Well, I reached day 23 of Spring from Year 1
Planted the last batch and will keep fishing and maybe explore.
Also, nice specialization path for lvl 5
Made fishing even better
yup
what should i pick here mushrooms or bats? this is from the cave in the west
CAN THIS GAME ADD A FEATURE TO MARRY ROBIN
Bats
oh fr ight
Mush
U can do bats hinestly rho
Both have there benefits
should i go bat?
Mush help with money and health
Especially if u decide to buy 400 strawberries like me 💀
But like I said both r good
Mhm ur choice
i pick bat

what's da benefits tho
Op
Easier cc completion
It spawns fruits
where
oh so it will spawn fruits in da cave?
Yup
Yesh
ight thnks
Some fruit in there is used for cc and u can use some for Mines as well for health
cc?
should i make the basic sprinkler?
Community center if u chose to go that way
Nah
No
That's the 4 tile one right
ye
Wait for the regular one
Try saving for the next
what lv would i get that?
if i let my animals free roam will they eat my crops
Damn I forgot
5?
No just grass
Nah
m oki tyyy
ok good
May I stand unshaken
Friendly tip u can also leave ur barn door open 24/7
Animals will go back in by themselves everynight
Dont open it at winter
is this da same for coop?
They will catch cold
Yup
They automatically don't go out during rainy days
gnn
Gn min!

?
Sorry idk what ur talking about 😭
Oh! I would recommend doing that in #images-and-memes
These channels r used for questions mostly so it would be better there.
Glad to help!
So I have a few questions, I just got a coop, I did get a brown and white chicken, what do I do with the eggs? And two, what's a reliable way to get wheat for my silo?
You can turn eggs into mayo
What should i do on day 3? Im kimd of new to the game 
Hey!
How's everyone's doin'?
you can plant wheat during summer
Hi! I'm not quite new to the game, just new to the server. Nice to meet you all!
nice to meet you too!
👍
Keep one of each for cc, sell the rest or turn them into mayo ( then sell them)
you can try your hand at fishing if you haven't yet. it can be hard at first but once you get your hands on the training rod, it'll be a lot easier! fishing is a good way to make money in the early game 
Whatever grabs your attention. If you want to make money, farm and fish. If you want a partner at the dance, get foraging and gifting.
There's no wrong answer.
I never managed to do somthing in the skull cavern, Im only playing multiplayer with my friends so I cant do the thing that eating food stops everything and I am always too scared to die too, The skull cavern is so hard. I dont care about beating it and getting to floor 100 I just want iridium, any tips and things that could help me?
exactly 
you can use a chair I think
get the statue that generates iridium from grandpas's grave
prepare a lot
HUH?
lmao yeah
please use spoilers when mentioning ||skull caverns||. here's some tips, you need lots of bombs, tons of food like cheese, a nice weapon like ||galaxy sword||, and staircases. the deeper you go, the more iridium nodes spawn
Just have to become friends. Drop by and talk to Marnie ( but not across the counter). Give her a few gifts.
a decoration. It's just a rare event
thanks
you can start gifting marnie stuff she love, like diamond she loves diamond
athanks a lot
quality gifts boost points gained
liked gifts will not give npc extra hearts, they will only accept the gift but then nothing much I feel
i have 8g XD
bithday gift + gifting stuff they love works best
Put it in the potluck xd
how can i earn money by fishing
uh
what does upgrading the hoe do it literally just tills dirt
Just sell the fish
thabks
ok thanks
So what's the most beneficial tool to upgrade next? Cause I just got a copper pickaxe
im bad at fishing TwT
axe
Pickaxe, axe, watering can if u dont hav sprinkler
Then get good at it
🤯

Buy better fishing rod to the guy in the beach
I forgot his name
Someone give me one reason to finally start cleaning the farm so I can finally start cleaning the farm
wwwwwwwwwww
thanks btw how to get robins axe at the ranch
cleaning the farm means no machines or fences getting damaged and you won't have to craft them again
But I can also just spend the day talking to people
U can also use bait, tackle
They get damaged?
I really only clear out the small area near my fences and machines so I can’t tell if they get damaged
Not enough sprinklers to manage that lol
Ok I’m gonna search how to build sprinklers
Maybe clear the farm in a day or two
update
Before I clear farm
I need sprinklers
Before I make sprinklers
I need iron and gold and a lot of stuff
Before I got iron
I need to start doing mines(still at lvl 15)
And before that I’ll also have to start upgrading my tools(still all starter)
😭
you can do it 
Dang
Hey why is marnies fireplace covered in hay
wait till u try mods
Die as in missing or withered?
Ehhh probably just misclick
It's withered, means struck by thunder
yeah dead crop is usually thunder, crow will completely remove
how can i add bait on stuff on my rod i can’t figure it out
steam deck
how do you do it on pc
because i can add whatever button or whatever it is to the controls
fiberglass
i figured it out
oof
celsete
hey liz
Hi gold
How’s it goin what are y’all talking about

Yeah
Yeah I saw that you got some money off it!
How much do you have 💰
?
The coop?
#images-and-memes show me your farm
Go into settings, scroll down a the way, and “screen shot”
Then show me that pic

Thanks to stardew valley, images with bad quality get automatically pixelated for me now :D it’s like an image filter
Sorry if I made it complicated
Nice? Idk what to expect sry 
No I’m saying I’ve been playing stardew valley so much so that I’m starting to see pixels irl
Yes
That’s great now we know that u like it lol
:D
Hey I’m probably slow for just realizing this but, Lewis is kind of a dick
FINNALY YOU REALIZED THAT
also check the rules idk if you can say that
I just search the word in the search bar and see if people got away with saying with
Ok!
Dont you
He what
my lawyers also advised me to not finish the joke for you
What if lewis tax embezzlement is the reason why certain things are just overpriced or underpriced
Lol
LMAOAAO
Glow^2
guys what should i do with me potatoes ?
Eat
do i pickle them or keg them
i have enough potatoes irl
Not enough in game
MOAR POTATO
pickles make more money than juicing them i think
okay thank you
i do not need to feed my chickens right ? i leave the hatch open
and i have grass outside for them to eat
yup
okay thank you
they eat grass so they still egg
you're not alone
okay thank you
I got lost for the first 3 days, then dumped all my money into potatoes
Since I kinda just saw the bus stations and assumed that was where I was coming from
So I went the opposite direction
And that’s how i have max friendship with Linus(I went upwards)
ik i put lightning rods on my grass
what's the use of oak resin
you can use them to make kegs
also should i sell all of my silver/gold potatoes ?
and keg the normal ones ?
jar*
sure
okay thanks guys
do you just have that on copy and paste
what's kegs?
no
where can i get Maple syrup tho?
i think kegs are unlocked on farming lvl 8 right
tapper on maple trees
oh damn i just noticed that concernedape is in the server
i know
i put tapper in tree i get oak resin instead of maple syrup
it needs to be a maple tree
what does mple tree Look like
the branches in maple tree are more visible in the leaves
in the fall maple leaves are red and oak leaves are orange
i find it so odd that hes lower than the mods
same
can i buy maple syrup or nah?
no u can't
tru
the last time he talked was on june 10th
concernedape
someone pinged him for fun
or her
ralsei said it was him so i'm going with him
one day after my birthday lol
nickname 
🤯
yeah its fine as long as i know ur talking to me
ralsei

okay 
what's wrong wit it lmao

fair
yeah, it's bcus of his pfp
ok why else would it be
yeah
im sure nobody is that brainrotted...
HEY I DONT PLAY DELTARUNE IT CAME A SECOND LATE
no vil is more braintotted than me
totted
tots
aight gonna disappear again if you want to ping me with questions thats fine
okay thank you for your time
BRO I ALMOST BOMBED MY FARM ON ACCIDENT
guys would your crops disappear if bombed
yes
where can i put thus trap bobber?
you need iridium rod
you buy the rod at willy's
what's this for
what's what for
tra bobber
So I unlocked the glowstone ring but how do I even get solar essence?
you can get them from killing ghosts in the mines (level 51-79)
(no u don't, stay a shepherd so i can catch up
)
you'll meet a lot of ghosts in the mines floor 60+
they are quite annoying because of their knockbacks though

nice
lol
Whats the earliest you can get level 10 farming on a new farm
Like fresh out the farm choosener
Spring 1 year 1
uhh for me it was around fall-winter
should i sell my chickens and replace them with ducks
replace one or two id good, just not all of your chicken
assuming your coop is already full
i have 4 chickens and 4 ducks is one really better then the other or are they both good
chicken still best animal on coop in terms of profit (by its mayo)
helloo
apparently 0 ive had them for 3 months idk how to make it higher
wait.. really ??
yeah
did you not feed them or pet them ?
pet them
0 friendship after 3 month you raise them?
i feed them and collect eggs
hey
you also need to pet em daily and also let em eat grass outside (animal prefer grass over hay)
how do yall be getting quality sprinklers before the flower festival
im to focused on other stuff to pay attention to the animals really i will start petting them all
i don't, i just don't like rush things lol
is that just the default colour scheme for the wiki or did you change smth
i use dark reader on ff
why will eggs just like randomly not be there like it happened once with a duck egg and now with a chicken egg
I just bought a pig. How many days will it take for it to find a truffle?
should i Donate this dwarf scrolls?
you should
uh-huh
pig is for barn
tbf i should just link this lol (just careful of spoiler deeper you read)
https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Animals
Animals fulfill several roles on the farm. Some are wildlife, which cannot be interacted with. A pet (cat or dog) can be earned which the player can form a friendship with. A horse can be purchased to ride. And "farm animals" can be purchased which serve as a source of various kinds of produce, providing resources and profit.
all the chickens seemed happy and they were all fed
yoo i died in mines how can i get my items back?
im i weird for only turning things into the community center when i can finish the bundle
talk to marlon
not at all, it's pretty common
also is there like a ore node for coal because i dont have any
nope
you kill dust sprites for coal
oh
or by finding bags/mining carts
sometimes youll see minecarts/backpacks full of coal and otherwise dust sprite farming
filled with coal
Artisan is better than agriculturist, right?
Hi
Noones active there...
I see
Should I pick wine cheese oil etc worth 40% more or should I pick all crops grow 10% faster
I don't make wine yet
Hi
So I got to mine level 40, and there's these crystal things, do I just need a better pickaxe to actually mine them?
So that's the only real use they have then?
they're like weeds theyre just there to annoy
Ima Level 2 lol
And I'm confused, I have the slingshot, and it says it uses stones for ammo, I have stone but when I use it, it says out of ammo
Click the Stone, and click on it
you must load your slingshot with it first
also are u using ur slingshot for combat
hey stardew valley have a creative mode or ?
ok sad
kinda, with mods
where i can find mods ? and how to use them
various places
nexus mods is the one i use, but for modded help, go to #modded-stardew if you want better answers/more answers
guys is the ||1:40 am secret note|| worth collapsing in town ?
incorrect, for help, #archived-modded-support
oh okay, sorry man @fathom ingot
thank you
ok ty for information
@crude tapir ur into that stuff right
what the HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL
||U MAKW THE JUNIMOS WORK ON YOUR FARM ALL DAY||
THATS SO SAD
IS THAT THEIR ONLY PURPOSE
😭I FEEL SO BAD FOR THEM
sorry!
Slavery smh
aaaaa this is a post cc spoiler
WHAT
I believe they're just willing also the stuff you mentioned is post CC..
WHATS A CC
community centre
Whats that
Centre??
WHAT IS IT
guys is it supposed to freeze in the haley's 6 heart event

no but it froze bc ur too cool
aw thank you 
Vil.. just type it as 'Center' like a normal person. Just kidding. 
bro u know that broken up building with the ‘rats’
The big house with a clock at town
ohh i can move
Yeah i havent been there yet
Glad

I need to make sure you don’t see me when I’m spelling colour

guys is it worth it to collapse in town for a secret note
how much money do u have
I mean sure?
like 8k
ok u will lose 800
okay, thank you guys
but is it worth it ?
||it's the bush near the entrance of the beach one||
i don't really want to waste my money on pointless decors
But I believe if you shake it at the exact time a funny moment happens
Oh no it's something funny to look at
How do i get a prismatic thingy
Kill any monster after reaching the bottom of the mines, ||iridium nodes|| and mystic stones
guys is it better to fish at the lonely stone or fish normally
day 5 of spring if you just started
it'll be unlocked then
english only server 👀
guys
okay, thank you
idt it does
THERE IS A CAT WHO SELLS HATS
Best to fish near the totem statue
oh i thought it was a cat 
you can ?
y
there isn't any water tho
oh okay thank you
iridium fish
You can get iridium quality with level 0 fishing at that area
still iridium?
Your fishing level affects quality too so higher level means better chance for higher quality capped at gold
Mouse
i just received the steel pickaxe but im not satisfied until it is golden so i dont get stuck in a mine level again
Even so it wouldn’t necessarily be iridium there’s a incredibly low percentage it would be, I’m sure but it might unlock those at a certain level of fishing
I can see cat tho
Nah the fish there are easy to perfect catch
well i did get iridium fishes and my fishing level is now 10
And also your fishing level affects quality too
At level 0 I’m sure it’s a low chance tho
The chance it ok
well you wont get quality fish at start so it makes sense
Wait wdym get stuck in a mine level
to be unable to break a stone
that just might be the key to the next level
a bit of a spoiler? perhaps?
no
Uh any type of pickaxe can break any type of stone and ore in the Mines
uhh okay
i was lv 34 and what stopped me was a damn stone lol
calico desert
bruh

not the big stones or i was just unlucky
spoiler em >:C
that’s also not a spoiler
They can break those too
how
it says it in the bus stop
The stones in the farm are what you're talking about
not till u complete the bundle?
You can break all stones in mines tho?
Again, any pickaxe can break them
it does even before
So idek why you got stuck to begin with
^^
uhh can u send a ss?
no 
It just may take a bit longer depending on pick quality
then idk what stopped me 🙂
@cobalt hare u have the message link right
tf
It’s not
Might've been a mystic stone? I think it takes longer to break than regular stone
i was lv 34 in mines about to beat the level but the ladder hid in an area i couldnt access i thought it was a stone but now idm
probably
wtf what were ||marnie and lewis doing||
ok so.. my whole life has been a lie
If so then prepare to never find it again lmao, or maybe once
hence my upgrading the pickaxe
in a bush ? 😭
what else is not a spoiler?
Still can if you cast far from shore as possible
ooh okay, so that's what best buds do
Where else? In a room where new farmer can come any second without knocking? Behind lewis house?
wtf why do i keep hearing pings outta nowhere
😭
Reply is somewhat of a ping


