making-mods-general

[elfin kindle]

Sometimes you can have a totally working file but it'll complain just cus it decided it didn't want to do it's job honestly, so yeah just checking with the json validator is the best choice lolol I have multiple files that it was angry at but they work totally fine in the game

[junior tiger]

So I managed to clean up the trees and bushes, but my boys are still exiting into the wrong area eventhough I have the door tiles properly set up. I believe that's because the warp itself is managed through Tiled. How could I fix that? I believe tiled does not take arguments

@vernal crest I have checked and as it stands you can enter the house just fine, but exiting is what leads to the problem of them appearing up there. But exiting the house is handled in tiled. Is there a way to simply do that in json, or is there a way to have conditions in tiled? (I assume not)

[vernal crest]

I have already told you how to do it and reminded you that I already told you. I'll go find the message where I told you how to do it the first time.

This is where I told you what you needed to do: #making-mods-general message

And this is where I told you before that I'd told you what to do: #making-mods-general message

[junior tiger]

I am incredibly sorry for being this uninformed about this and for inconveniencing you. I can totally understand that it must feel super frustrating when you have to repeat yourself multiple times, especially if you help out dozens of people with various levels of expertise in this topic. All I can do is just definitely assure you that I mean no malice when I ask a question multiple times. But I keep getting words thrown at me which I simply don't understand, and over multiple topics and it's simply not easy to keep my head straight especially with interjections (absolutely no ones fault and no bother, but it makes it harder for me). All of this just makes me feel incredibly stupid. I still appreciate your and everyone else's help

[autumn tide]

hiiiiii how might one make it so that a book with text (or custom graphic, a la inspect tortilla) shows up when you 'use' an item like a tool? wanna make the dwarf scrolls readable

[calm nebula]

There is probably smth in spacecore for that

[autumn tide]

spacecore docs here i come

[vernal crest]

I appreciate your apology. I know you don't mean anything malicious by asking multiple times, but it is annoying to have you ask the question three times, and twice of those times act as though you never got any answer. That's different to saying "you told me X but I don't understand what you meant, can you please explain that?" And I could understand you missing seeing it once, but missing seeing it twice makes me feel like you're not reading my messages.

It also doesn't feel nice to be told that my trying to help is "throwing words at you". I understand that you won't already know all the words that I use, but I don't know in advance which ones they're going to be so I don't want to waste both of our times and make you feel talked down to by explaining every little concept. Part of asking for help means asking for clarification when new terms are introduced. Nobody knows what these words mean until someone teaches it to them or they read resources that teach them.

You're not stupid and I'm sorry if I'm making you feel that way. It's not being stupid to not already know the answer to something that's new to you.

If you need help without the risk of other conversations interrupting, any of the orange names (including me) can make a thread where we can talk outside the main channel. We can do that now if you still want help from me (I will understand if you'd rather not).

[vernal crest]

Did you look at inspect tortilla to see what it's doing?

[autumn tide]

..i will now!

[vernal crest]

Spacecore or meep are your main options

[autumn tide]

aight it's pretty simple!

[autumn tide]

..famous last words ik

okay it does need meep and i have no clue what meep is-

[vernal crest]

You can add the MapProperties field to the json patch that you're using to remove the tiles from the paths layer and add the LockedDoorWarp. MapProperties is explained on the same CP docs page as MapTiles.

[junior tiger]

Oh, no I defnintely did not meant to say that you're throwing words at me! Absolutely not, sorry for my poor wording. I meant with the Wiki and the GitHub docs and tiled and JSON and everything, there is just so many words I don't understand. That was not supposed to lead back to you at all, I am so sorry 😭

[vernal crest]

Mapping extensions something something. Hopefully it comes up on Nexus searching meep but otherwise search mapping.

[dusky sail]

Mapping extensions and extra properties iirc

[vernal crest]

Yeah that sounds right

[autumn tide]

hm, I might @ 6480 to see if I can steal their inspect tortilla code, do you know if they're okay with being @'d?

[autumn tide]

found it! god it's such a fun vocal stim-

[vernal crest]

Yeah I'm sure he'll be fine with it

[autumn tide]

@drowsy pewter hey! I'm working on a mod and I wanna make a feature where interacting with a dwarf scroll shows an image and text, is it okay if i steal the code for it from your inspect tortilla mod?

[vernal crest]

That's okay, thank you for the explanation and I know it can be lots of new things but remember that it was new for all of us once and it doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong if you don't know what the words mean the first time you see them - none of us did. The important thing is to take it slow so you don't get overwhelmed. And also look back at how far you've come already. You didn't know anything about this when you started and now you have a working mod on Nexus! So you know you can do it :)

[junior tiger]

I just really hope I'm not making any enemies here, or bothering/ upsetting people. Because everyone here has been super helpful and super kind and I know I owe you guys so much! Which is why I'm never above crediting anyone who even helped me out just an inch to get this project forward. If I give anyone a hard time I'm always open to hear that and try and work on it more. I promise you, I do not mean to make anyone's lives harder on purpose 🥺

[vernal crest]

I don't think you are making enemies or upsetting people. I was annoyed that it felt like you were ignoring my messages but we clarified that you were just struggling to keep up with the cross-talk.

My experience here both as a new person when I joined and now as someone who gives help more often than I ask for it (though I still ask plenty ^_^) is that we're a pretty forgiving and friendly channel. People have to be pretty demanding, helpless in an entitled way, or rude before others start avoiding them. You're not like that.

[fading walrus]

(Popping in as an uninvolved party, it is nice to see a new modder trying, even if you're getting overwhelmed. Not everyone gets to the point of trying, so you're already doing well! Plud you're being polite, so you get bonus points)

[junior tiger]

I definitely did not ignore your messages! (at least not on purpose) I think I simply came with 2 issues 1. Doors and 2. House on map (and path layer issues) and I asked about both and then simple worked on the map issues first and then I completely forgot all the information I was given about the 1st issue. I read through your message a few times and tried my best to understand it. I tried to reverse engineer the locked door warp but it doesn't seem to work yet 🥺

[junior tiger]

I mean, I am not only coming into someone else's space, but I'm also "demanding" (so to speak) help and attention from people that only do so out of the kindness of their hearts. The least I can do is try to be kind, patient and understanding and hope that I'll recieve the same kindness in return

[thorn sorrel]

Hoping this is a simple enough question:
I'm trying to figure out the code to use to turn something into an 'on use' item that will generate a random item.
Example: Using 'Box' has a possibility to spawn a random seed bag

[autumn tide]

-# awwww y'all are so sweet :)

[elfin kindle]

Some people do straight up just ignore half of a message if they're impatient or don't care, I had someone ignore half my message just earlier today so it's something that does happen a little too often 💀 But no, you both handled this situation well i think, and you both acknowledge each others feelings and if you made a mistake you apologised. Just generally a very adult way of dealing with it, very pleasant to see

(Not ignore on here just to be clear, in my comment section-)

[vernal crest]

No, you need MapProperties. It's a different field. Look at the CP page for EditMap and look at the MapProperties field. You'll need to use TextOperations to change the existing warp in the .tmx to the SVE value.

Alternatively, it might be easier if you delete the warp from your .tmx (the house interior one) entirely and have two json patches with AddWarps - one when SVE is not installed and one when it is. That way you can use AddWarps which is much easier to understand than TextOperations.

And I'm sorry, I led you astray about which patch it needs to go in. It shouldn't be the Maps/Forest one. It needs to be a new json patch that targets your house interior map because that's where the warp to outside is. Sorry for saying the wrong thing before.

[junior tiger]

Oh wow, that also must have felt like they didn't value your time at all 🙁 So far you have been super sweet here though, that's on them really

[elfin kindle]

It wasn't any big deal, they said my mod has a map issue but just provided a confusing verbal explanation so i asked them to make a bug report according to my step by step bug reporting guide, and that they could try to mess with the map configs i had implemented. They just said they hadn't messed with the configs and told me which versions didn't work and which one had worked, aka they didn't file a proper bug report like asked lolol so i just told them to file a report again

[vernal crest]

It's past my bedtime here and I'm trying to get an actual 8 hours tonight so I'm going to have to head to sleep, I'm sorry. If what I've said so far isn't enough to go on (which is perfectly reasonable if that is the case) and you can't figure it out/nobody else knows what I meant/nobody else has a better idea, ping me and I'll explain more in the morning 🙂

[junior tiger]

That's all okay. You did absolutely amazing, as per usual! I'll try and work out more and if it doesn't work, then I'll hope to give it another shot tomorrow as well 🙂

[elfin kindle]

I might be able to help out in a couple hours as well, im working on an essay rn so i can't be of any proper help but I've implemented my own house on both the normal vanilla map and the SVE map so hopefully could be of some assistance if you're having more issues later ^^"

[autumn tide]

...okay sorry to interupt the sweet moment but i need some mod help- SO i wanna make it so that the item you need to roommate dwarf has to be crafted by another dwarf bc only they have the fancy metalworking power to work with enchanted metal, SO you give the ingredients to the volcano dwarf for them to craft it for you (with a fee ofc), but how might i make it so that they need all of the items to craft it? i wanted to make it quest but multiple items don't work for those, and special orders expire...

[junior tiger]

I feel like stardew in general has a wide target audience and not all of them might speak english perfectly well 🥺 that being said though, you do have a right to be upset about that, it sounds frustrating :/

[autumn tide]

HMMM mayhaps if you gift all those items to them while the quest is active, then they give you the item??

but how..

[junior tiger]

I would be super, super happy about any and all help!

[autumn tide]

i could set up a custom quest requirement that i manage on my own

and use BETAS to track it..

[woeful lintel]

That's a common issue on Nexus, my mod's comment section is full of people who seemingly can't read (latest case for reference: #making-mods-general message)

[autumn tide]

but that would require making the volcano dwarf into a real NPC and not a tile

[hard fern]

i once had an issue that i just couldnt replicate so i just gave up on fixing it

[autumn tide]

a tile..

[autumn tide]

my life motto ngl

[elfin kindle]

I have a lot of understanding for people who struggle with the language and try to make my instructions simple or ask in clear words but I don't think the language was the issue here tbh lolol Just not really taking in more than half of what i said. Their englisha and language comprehension was on a level where i feel they should've understood my request to file a report ^^" But eh, it's fine and as much as i groan about it sometimes, i rarely get too annoyed

[autumn tide]

..god i can't stand that volcano dwarf is a TILE

[hard fern]

you'd hate gil more

[autumn tide]

oh god gill..

that bitch is 4 tiles-

[hard fern]

i kinda wonder what the dwarf looks like under the helmet

[worthy ermine]

✅

[hard fern]

XD

i have summoning powers apparently

[autumn tide]

ikkk i'm working (politely demanded their help) with someone on tumblr who made a bunch of drawings of them, as well as without the helm and it's a rlly cool design.. but no my mod shall not expose dwarf

[elfin kindle]

Seriously. My bf said he couldn't ever release a mod cus he'd go insane from some of the comment requests. I have no issue playing customer service and putting on that persona so im not very bothered. But sometimes... sometimes i want to be a little mean but I don't, I can behave

[autumn tide]

made a fuck ton of helm lore to make removing the helm like blasphemous

[worthy ermine]

and a green child?

😂

[autumn tide]

basically it would the equivalent of being completely naked, but more stigmatized

[autumn tide]

also cool seeing you back!

[autumn tide]

..okay now to my mod question bc i need help-

[autumn tide]

-# bully them

[worthy ermine]

I had enough free time to start doing something again

[elfin kindle]

I was also mentally prepared when i released my mod that this would 100% happen, I want to work with making games and i've worked with customers before. Rule of thumb : no one reads, no one will bug test themselves, no one will provide context and there will be entitled people. But once you're aware and mentally prepped, i don't get too bothered lol

[woeful lintel]

imo going "customer service mode" is very detrimental to communication, it's based on the concept of treating customer service people as lower than human. Very much a systemic issue that I feel strongly about

[autumn tide]

..who said that???

[elfin kindle]

That's also very true, I get your feelings dude. I mean I do have my limits and I refuse to be bullied or influenced to do stuff just cus my players want something. If i don't wanna make it or fix it, i won't

[woeful lintel]

If you feel like you have to use a customer service persona to talk to certain people, I'm pretty sure they're the type of people that won't read/listen anyway.

[junior tiger]

I tried to go the route of adding the warps through JSON. Does anyone have the quick eye, to see if this is going in the right direction?

[elfin kindle]

True true, I don't put too much effort in, just generic stuff but i'm aware they won't do anything and if they don't then well, fuck can i do bout that lolol But maybe i should allow myself to just use my regular voice as much as possible

[autumn tide]

anyone know of a framework that might enable this?

[woeful lintel]

No clue how that stuff works, but I recommend testing stuff. The "trial" part of trial and error is kinda required to progress

[elfin kindle]

I think it looks correct, it looks like mine so i think it should be okay

[junior tiger]

Sadly it's still not, which is weird :/ I deleted the warp out of Tiled, so they shouldn't have anywhere else to warp to

[elfin kindle]

Hm.

Okay lemme open my own map file in a sec and see what it could be

[junior tiger]

But weirdly enough as the player the warp works. Just not for the NPCs, maybe I should add something for the NPCs XD

[autumn tide]

OH i think casey mentioned something about NPC warps in the 1.6.16 thread?

..no clue what it was but

[junior tiger]

The documentation also mentions separate Warps and NPC warps, I added some, so I'll see

[elfin kindle]

Ah i've had this issue! Lemme see what my code looks like now when it's fixed lol

[junior tiger]

Thanks a ton! I tried the NPC warp, sadly it doesn't work :/

[thorn sorrel]

Hoping someone might have an idea or direction to point me in. I'm working on a Christmas themed mod with an item that can be 'on use' to generate a random item. Trying to figure out what code I need to put in to make it an 'on use' item.

[brittle pasture]

Item Extensions support shop items that need multiple item trades

[brittle pasture]

SpaceCore has trigger actions on item use

[autumn tide]

AAAA tysm selph! would this still work for quests or would it have to be a shop item then?

[brittle pasture]

has to be shop

if you're willing to wait til 1.6.16 it adds special orders that don't expire

or use another framework for untimed orders

[thorn sorrel]

Ok, I'll take a look at the documentation. Thank you

[autumn tide]

gotcha... OH i could set up an event where the player asks the volcano dwarf and then the shop item is available!

[karmic gust]

Could do an event where you bring the required amount and then use the removeItem command to do it. Send the object in mail the following day

[autumn tide]

..tbf I think my mod will take months so it might be out by then-

[autumn tide]

YES omg that's perfect!

thank you!!!

..wait, i dont think the volcano dwarf's shop has an actual location entry, would an event still be able to trigger?

[modest dagger]

couldn't you just trigger it at the volcano entrance or outside it or something

[karmic gust]

Is the entrance to the volcano a map? You could make an identical map and change to it from the volcano

[autumn tide]

i could! and i think if i can find the map it can still happen there!

[elfin kindle]

This is from my custom house to the forest but it does look like we have the same code hmm. I know that in my map file i also have tiles with tile properties, lemme bring that one up too

[junior tiger]

You're right, it is the same :/

[elfin kindle]

Don't mind the red stuff, but in my map i also have one of the tile property things. Have you seen these before? The TileData square by the door.

[junior tiger]

Yes, I have seen those

My warps don't have tile data, but they work still. Like taking the stairs on the left flawlessly leads into the basement and back out. The door on the right leads the player perfectly in and out

[elfin kindle]

Funky

[autumn tide]

...turn it off and turn it on again?

[elfin kindle]

Okay wait do you need the NPC to go inside or outside?

[junior tiger]

so far they are bugged when going outside, I haven't seen them get inside yet

[elfin kindle]

Right, okay

[junior tiger]

They usually leave the house early in the morning and come back in the evening

(Oh, omg, you also said you were writing an essay, we can totally continue this later)

[elfin kindle]

Well I'll just tell you what I've got going cus it's working. and dw bout it, i needed a break ;P

[west thunder]

Anyone know if the mutant fly and grub have their own set of sprites or do they just use the sprites of their normal counterparts, but with a radioactive booger green filter all over them?

Sorry for interrupting.

[elfin kindle]

On my Back layer (looking at the layers with the purple icons, known as Back layer), it has a custom property that adds a Wrap. Do you also have this?

[junior tiger]

(Don't be sorry I just take up too much space XD)

[west thunder]

I'm asking this because I can't find any .xnb files with their names.

[autumn tide]

welp, all the files for the volcano mines are cursed-

[west thunder]

Every other variant's got one, though.

[autumn tide]

hm, check the data entry?

[west thunder]

how do dat

[junior tiger]

Ah yes, there was one. I was gonna try and remove that one and see if it works (I have a slight suspicion that it might not)

[autumn tide]

uhhh content upacked/data/monsters.json

[thorn sorrel]

Ok, I found the command 'spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemUsed' now how do I.... implement it...?

[junior tiger]

Yeah, sadly, removing it didn't work :/

[autumn tide]

update: volcano mine layouts are from hell. I cannot, in fact, find the shop thing bc it's just.... this?

[lucid iron]

I can check for u later but in context of MV, the monster name is the important bit

If you lookup anything on them and they got a different name then assigning different tx will work

Failing that, assign different tx by their location instead

[west thunder]

I'm sadly out of energy and out of time.

[autumn tide]

maybe the event can trigger at the base of the island and then the shop trade becomes a thing, and then after the trade, at least 2 days later, they give you the bracer?

[west thunder]

But from what I do have right now alludes to the fact they are literally just that with a filter on.

[lucid iron]

And I'm at lunch hence check for u later

[west thunder]

Wouldn't be the first time. Smoked fish are just whatever sprite you want them to be with a dark overlay and smoke.

[elfin kindle]

It probs won't fix it sadly- Okay so you ahve custom properties on the back layer, then lets try adding a DataTile and see if that helps. It also needs to be on the Back layer. Use the insert rectangle tool to make a tile, right click and press "Object properties". Then you right click on the panel where you've seen the custom properties before (it shouldn't have any yet but we're gonna add ones). Choose "Add properties", write Warp in the new window and okay. Then add the code from your AddWarp stuff (aka the "X Y forest X Y" stuff)

And place the tile where the warp is suppose to be ofc

Gods know if it'll work but I have all three things (both layer property, TileData property AND AddWarp in my json files, only the devil knows which one is the one that makes it work)

[junior tiger]

So like this?

[elfin kindle]

It has to be on the map, not below it! But otherwise yes

Your character has to walk over the tile for it to trigger. Are the coordinates below the map on all of your code? Cus that might be the issue

[junior tiger]

Let me try that then, because I used the Dao house guide and there it said it just feels more natural if the warp is below (it also worked on the regular vanilla map so 🤷🏻‍♀️ ) let's try it on the map though 🙂

[elfin kindle]

Funky, but sometimes stuff just is lolol I think i tried that too but it didn't work, and generally i don't think people think too much about how the characters exists unless its like a tile or two too early ;P

[calm nebula]

Try maps/mines

The red yellow blue pngs too

Ooh!

It's dynamic

[junior tiger]

That is true, but sadly, the boys still be stuck

[autumn tide]

hellooo can two seprate mods have dependencies of each other? idk i phrased that right-

[hard fern]

you'll end up with a circular dependency if you do that

[elfin kindle]

Damn

[autumn tide]

uh, would that break anything?

[junior tiger]

Life sure is hard 😭

[vagrant grove]

I know this is a long shot but re-upping

[autumn tide]

no clue sorry i'm sure the coding ppl will appear eventually tho! i would say ask in programming-off-topic bc all the fancy tech ppl are there, but this is on-topic sooooo

[elfin kindle]

As a hail mary, i can physically take a look at it later if you send me what you have of your mod rn ^^" Just dm me with a google drive map or something similar and I'll see if i can solve it after my essay is written, if youre comfortable with that?

[junior tiger]

That would be fine by me, I hope that it's not too much for you 🥺

[thorn sorrel]

Hoping this looks correct:

[elfin kindle]

Nah, now im invested! Plus, i want to get better at map making and make a tutorial so knowing what the issues that appear and how to solve them is good

Anyways, i gotta write that essay before i get ahead of myself lolol

[autumn tide]

hmmm, maybe look at some other mods that use item interactions for reference? i'm a fairly new modder but this doesn't look quite right to me

[autumn tide]

good luck!

[thorn sorrel]

That's what I was thinking as well, but couldn't think of a mod to use as reference off the top of my head

[autumn tide]

i'm using 6480's inspect tortilla as a reference for an idea I had (actually messaged them earlier asking if i could steal their code LOL), maybe check that out?

[thorn sorrel]

I'll take a look at it! Hail the power of tortillas

[autumn tide]

💯

[heavy pewter]

  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/TriggerActions",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_PresentBox": {
      "Id": "{{ModId}}_PresentBox",
      "Trigger": "spacechase0.SpaceCore_OnItemUsed",
      "Condition": "Spiderbuttons.BETAS_PLAYER_HELD_ITEM Current *your item id here",
      "Actions": [
        "AddItem {{Random: 382, 384, 348}} 1 1"
      ]
    }
  }
}```

Assuming you have the present box item

I added Betas gsq here too if you want this to fire when holding a specific item

Iirc you also need Spacecore's item extension thing

[thorn sorrel]

Oh, thank you! I'll try that

[uncut viper]

you won't need BETAS for that, spacecore itself should put the item used inside either the Target or Input for use in things like the vanilla ITEM_ID game State query

but you will need spacecore's object data extensions or whatever is called to make this item be usable in the first place

[thorn sorrel]

Could you show me an example of what you mean? I apologize as this is the first time I am diving into using Trigger Actions

[uncut viper]

im on mobile right now and don't know the format for spacecore off the top of my head so unfortunately I cannot

[thorn sorrel]

No problem! I'll look further into it so thank you

I think I found it: UseForTriggerAction

[west thunder]

Could anyone who knows a thing or two about Content Patcher's EditImage thingamabobber help me check if my monster sprites work or if I made them too big for their own good?

I'd DM the sprites for you.

[brittle pasture]

you can just compare them against the vanilla files you're replacing right

[lucid iron]

The actual thing we r trying to check is monster draw code

Whether they are using the whole sprite or not

I suggested editimage because that's a easy way to test but i will go look at decompile later yeah

[west thunder]

You want the sprites just in case?

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah I have no context as to what you're doing my apologies

[lucid iron]

It's not important but make a list of the ones you wanna go out of bounds for

[west thunder]

I've already made a folder for them.

Common, frost and lava bats;
Common and magma duggies;
Metal and hot heads;
Quite possibly lava lurks, but I think I'm just getting paranoid.

Oh, and maybe pepper rex too, but I think I'm just getting VERY paranoid.

I wasn't suspicious beforehand, because the majority of these are all divided into 16x24 sprites.

The shadow shaman being the first I've seen this occur.

And that one seems to have taken the entirety of that space.

[west thunder]

OH, and please check the flies and grubs too.

[lucid iron]

Yep

[west thunder]

Thank you.

I... will just pretend this never happened and continue making the sprites as is.

Will probably make it easier to change them if things go awry.

[west thunder]

Please do ping me once you've gotten the results.

[autumn tide]

helloooo I'm back- what specifically does the format field thing do/enable?

[brisk wedge]

I'm thinking of switching from normal windows to wsl for vscode dev, any pitfalls I should know of? Is this just a bad idea in general? Is vscode cooked since net 6.0 is too old?

[thorn sorrel]

Alright. Having trouble trying to get this item to activate the trigger action: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/06329d57c0fd4cc2a5ca3a1858d2fb1f

[brittle pasture]

you need to condition the trigger action on the item

"Condition": "ITEM_ID Target sakialyn.merrycrops.presentbox"

[lucid iron]

non zero number of people here build with dotnet cli instead of VS

although idk what would be the point of doing that if you are WSL instead of full linux

[brisk wedge]

i want to keep my pc as windows instead of switching it entirely to linux but I don't like powershell or windows paths and zsh is slow, so wsl seemed like the solution. I was using dotnet cli + vscode previously, so this would mostly just be switching to wsl I think

[lucid iron]

yea i mean, why not use VS then

[thorn sorrel]

Under Data/TriggerActions ?

[brittle pasture]

inside that entry yes

[brisk wedge]

I think I just know vscode better and I'm too lazy to learn how to use vs...

[lucid iron]

well then there's not really that much difference on linux

[thorn sorrel]

Hmm. Added it in and re-generated the item, but it still doesn't seem to want to use the trigger action. SMAPI error log doesn't note anything: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/6ce573ac1c944d939ed17f039edb3998

[lucid iron]

u can't hot reload but i dont think windows vsc let you do that either

and i have no idea how WSL handles capitalization in paths

[brittle pasture]

oh yeah you don't have MarkActionApplied set to false on the trigger, so it ran once and never again

if you don't want to start a new save to test you'll have to run a console command to mark it as not applied

[autumn tide]

hey! how do ppl do portrait overlays for config stuff?

[brittle pasture]

debug action MarkActionApplied All sakialyn.merrycrops.presentbox false should do it

[lucid iron]

good news i was the paranoid one

| Monster | Size | Source |
| ------- | ---- | ------ |
| Haunted Skull | 16x16 | Bat.cs |
| Magma Sprite | 16x16 | Bat.cs |
| Bat (all kinds) | 16x24 | Bat.cs |
| Duggy (both kinds) | 16x24 | Duggy.cs |
| Metal Head | 16x16 | MetalHead.cs |
| Hot Head | 16x16 | HotHead.cs |
| Lava Lurk | 16x16 | LavaLurk.cs |
| Pepper Rex | 32x32 | DinoMonster.cs |
| Grub | 16x24 | Grub.cs |
| Fly | 16x24 | Fly.cs |

The green grubs from mutant bug lair are indeed just grub/fly but drawn with Lime color.

the skulls are funny cus they r secretly Bats on the inside and get hardcoded to 16x16 bounds

[west thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/sid-ice-age-explosion-blast-gif-24932449

You've no idea how relieved I am.

Thank you, you're a lifesaver.

[lucid iron]

i wonder if i can just

allow more sprite sizes

whats the worst that could happen....

[west thunder]

They're... bats?

[urban patrol]

i’m very very interested in this

[lucid iron]

yea

[west thunder]

They seem a little too extreme for bats.

Thought they'd be more on the serpent side of things or something.

[urban patrol]

i haven’t done any more work on Big Spider but

[lucid iron]

look im pretty sure mr ape just went

bats fly, these guys fly

too lazy to new class

[brittle pasture]

so are the flame sprites in the volcano

[lucid iron]

mood

[brittle pasture]

it's all bats all the way down

[west thunder]

Now, I don't know how much of an expert you are on the following field, BUT.

[hard fern]

it's bats all the way down...

[west thunder]

it's bugsnax all the way down

[west thunder]

Do you know if the lower fly sprites show up as intended or are they scrapped like the lower bat sprites?

I'm asking this because the flies seem to only be using a front/back-facing texture that just rotates.

As it, no matter what, flies AT you.

Unless I'm missing an instance where the fly is facing the sides.

That way I'm just screwed.

[lucid iron]

hm they do seem to animate depending on facing direction, but im not sure if their facing direction ever "update"

this is prob better to check by actually testing in game

[autumn tide]

@thorn sorrel hey! i think i found out how to do your mod thing! look at this! it's with Item Extensions https://github.com/misty-spring/StardewMods/blob/main/ItemExtensions/docs/MenuActions.md#example:~:text=replaced).%20Default%200-,ReplaceBy,-string

[thorn sorrel]

I'll try that!

[thorn sorrel]

Tried adding that in, and also tried making a new save but the action still didn't seem to want to trigger. https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/0e5b1e3bc6b64b3f9dbc6a23a9fbe0d8

[west thunder]

Owie.

Thanks.

[urban patrol]

try qualifying your item IDs

[autumn tide]

hope it works

[urban patrol]

(O)378 for example

[brittle pasture]

hmm I don't think it matters

oh wait I see it

I forgot you have to edit the spacecore asset lol

your UseForTriggerAction and ConsumeForTriggerAction has to be on the custom asset SC provides

[urban patrol]

that would do it lol

[brittle pasture]

spacechase0.SpaceCore/ObjectExtensionData

consider it an extension of Data/Objects

[warped perch]

Hi everyone

I'm still very new to modding stardew and this question probably fits more a channel like "modded stardew" but i didn't get a reply and don't want to interrupt the conversation there

Is there a way to move the location of the spouse room while having both Polyamorysweet and a custom farmhouse?

[autumn tide]

hey there! this does belong here :) not a map person but one'll come eventually lol, welcome to modding!

[gentle rose]

as in, as a user or for a mod you're releasing?

[warped perch]

As a user

[gentle rose]

then no, you were right initially

[autumn tide]

Ohhhh sorry!

[gentle rose]

people here don't tend to play much 😅 and polysweet doesn't have great compat

so we generally don't know the answer to things like this

worth asking in both just in case, you're just likelier to find your answer over there

[warped perch]

But where can i ask for help then? In that channel it seemed no one knew either

[gentle rose]

it might just be that nobody knows

[warped perch]

Well uh, in that case, how hard would it be to create this as a mod? For someone who doesn't know anything about modding or even programming in general

[lucid iron]

i think polysweet just has fork of this

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/10029

[warped perch]

Fork?

[lucid iron]

i wanna say u can move it since i seen custom farmhouse which do

[thorn sorrel]

My mind seems to be drawing a blank on how to implement this. Would you be able to show an example?

[brittle pasture]

so do you see your block that edits Data/Objects to add your fields

you do the same but targeting that asset

[hard fern]

Polysweet does have it's own custom spouse room thing i believe

[brittle pasture]

basically clone the block, change the target to spacecore's custom asset and remove every field that's not the custom spacecore fields

[urban patrol]

        "Action": "EditData",
        "Target": "spacechase0.SpaceCore/ObjectExtensionData",
        "Entries": {
            "{{ModId}}_Magic8Ball": {
                "UseForTriggerAction": true
            },
            
            "{{ModId}}_NikoMirror": {
                "TotemWarp": {
                    "Location": "{{ModId}}_CrystalAndNiko",
                    "Position": "18, 13",
                    "ConsumedOnUse": false,
                }
            },
        },
    },```

[urban patrol]

that was meant to be a reply to this

[thorn sorrel]

Ok, I got it. Thank you both so much!

[warped perch]

Does this mean i'm fucked?

[ocean sail]

@warped perch You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[elfin kindle]

Polysweet has a very modular mod, you could technically remove the folder in the mod with the custom room spouse stuff so only the other version affects spouse rooms?

[warped perch]

What does this mean?

[elfin kindle]

Oh and you can enable or disable the cusom spouse rooms in their configs

[hard fern]

I really don't know what you're talking about, can't you move the spouse rooms with polysweets mod?

[warped perch]

No

Also sorry i misread your message and thought you wrote "doesn't"

[elfin kindle]

Oh wait you want to move the rooms around in the custom farmhouse? that's not super easy tbh, it'd have to be its own compatability patch. Aka you'd have to go into the code and change which tiles it places the line of spouserooms at and make sure it doesn't mess with the farmhouse mao

[warped perch]

I see

[elfin kindle]

Mapping is one of the more difficult and finnicky things i've at least personally worked with in modding, a looot of stuff can go wrong or just look off and remove other tiles

[warped perch]

Well i don't like, understand what this means but like "it's hard, i see."

[elfin kindle]

Are you keen on understanding why? I can try to give a more thorough answer?

[warped perch]

Not really

Like

[elfin kindle]

Yeah fair lolol i just wanted to double check but yeah short answer is: it's hard

(imo)

[warped perch]

Unless you think i could somehow manage to do it then sure i wouldn't mind a guide/explanation

Otherwise i'll just have to be satisfied with a long ass corridor of rooms

[lucid iron]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/18917

[elfin kindle]

whoa!

Impressive honestly

[thorn sorrel]

@urban patrol @brittle pasture Ok, I got the Trigger Action to work because the item was consumed on use, but it didn't spawn any of the items: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/134ee6ac2da94552a36603ad36f13ca1

[elfin kindle]

anyways, back to essay writing, im almost done lolol

[warped perch]

That's cool that it exists but i don't really like the layout of this farmhouse

I'd rather keep my current one with a long corridor it's fine, thanks tho

[urban patrol]

have you tested just the action using debug commands?

[lucid iron]

The fact that it exists means you can see how they moved the room

Because I don't think you need extra C# for this

[urban patrol]

also, a warning about the Random token: it's evaluated on day start, so if someone opens 5 presents in one day, they'll get the same item 5 times in a row

(i know because i tried to make my magic 8 ball give a random answer every time it's used)

[thorn sorrel]

I have not tried that. Still a novice at this. What would I need to put in to test it?

[urban patrol]

[[Modding:Console_commands]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Console_commands

[urban patrol]

this page is very useful for testing

look at debug action

[thorn sorrel]

Hmm, ok, then is there a way to randomize the item spawned so it's not on day start?

[urban patrol]

however you won't be able to use {{Random}} in the debug command, because it's a CP token

[urban patrol]

i don't know 🥲 i gave up on having my item do that. maybe others will know?

[warped perch]

I'd look into it but i have no knowledge and this kind of stuff

Unless someone volunteers to help me with this i doubt i could do anything, and i don't want ppl to go out of their way for me if it's something complicated and time consuming

Again, thx for the help tho

[thorn sorrel]

RIP LOL but thank you for bringing it to my attention!

[brittle pasture]

I have not really tested this but you can probably achieve what you want with synced randoms and If triggers

quite advanced topic though

alternatively Chu's PeliQ adds trigger actions that can pull items from an item query, which supports randomization (also somewhat advanced)

[lucid iron]

what if u just make it a geode

it wouldnt be open on use so u need to add like a box opener machine

but it would let you have item spawn field fun times

perhaps u must put the box under the tree to open it

[thorn sorrel]

New Machine: Box ripper

Why mess with ribbons and tape? The Box Ripper does all the work for you without you needing to find where you put your box cutter

[brisk wedge]

How does one make Pathoschild.Stardew.ModBuildConfig take effect on net9.0? I downloaded net9.0 and when i build using that it doesn't do the zip + copy to game folder, but when I use the old net6.0 it still does. I build using the dotnet cli with dotnet build

[lucid iron]

you cannot target net9.0

[brisk wedge]

My target framework is still net6.0 in csproj <TargetFramework>net6.0</TargetFramework>, or do you mean i just can't use the net9.0 sdks?

[lucid iron]

hm no u should be able to use higher dotnet just not higher targetframework

did u restore nuget and all that

[brisk wedge]

idk what that means so I guess no, I just did dotnet restore but no change tho

[brisk wedge]

nvm sorry false alarm i think it is working but the terminal output looks different and i was looking at the wrong thing

[balmy valve]

if i'm making a marryable NPC, do i have to put the marriage dialogue in a separate load/json or can i use the dialogue keys in the regular dialogue json?

[calm nebula]

(a)

[balmy valve]

a?

[calm nebula]

The first of your two choices

Separate, it's a different target

[balmy valve]

ok, thank you

[gentle rose]

are you asking about a separate load or a separate json file?

you can have multiple loads in one file

[drowsy pewter]

theres nothing special to the code, its just normal meep stuff

[autumn tide]

alr! is it still okay that i yoink it so that I don't have to write it myself-

[drowsy pewter]

you have my full permission to steal any part of any code of any of my mods

there is nothing special about it

[autumn tide]

thanks so much!!

..i just adore that the acronym is literally MEEP it's so fun!

[autumn tide]

hellooo double checking, $queries work in strings right?

[urban patrol]

what do you mean by strings

99% of things in CP are strings

[safe kraken]

Quick question not related no anything I'm doing atm, how difficult is to change an NPC loved/hated gifts after X heart events ? I was thinking ideas for an NPC and wanted to know this

[urban patrol]

you can just use a When with HasSeenEvent (but i'd be careful with multiplayer, set it on the host)

[hard fern]

i dont think it's that difficult

and yeah what nic said

[safe kraken]

Nice, I had a hunch it would be like that. Thankfully I can continue with this concept

[autumn tide]

sorry didn't see the notif i mean item descriptions specifically

[brittle pasture]

then no, it's a dialogue command

[autumn tide]

gotchaaa, anything i could use for that same effect?

[urban patrol]

object descriptions are tokenizable strings

[autumn tide]

...ig 'when' shit but..

[urban patrol]

what are you hoping to do

[autumn tide]

i want the description of the dwarf scrolls to change depending on if you know the language or not

ie have the wallet item

[calm nebula]

Can't you just edit it with a HasFlag condition

(But do note that it may not take effect until the next launch.)

[autumn tide]

oh, maybe! yeah actually, the vanilla descriptions are okay enough for pre-knowing the language

and cause i'm editing the item directly rather than chaning string, i can make that edit conditional and then change the strings too

thanks all!! istg everyone here's so helpful it's really sweet

[valid folio]

Hi, I’m trying to make my wild trees give two different products depending on the season, and the same with one of my fruit trees. Before, when it was just one product, it worked fine, but now it’s failing. In the case of the fruit tree, it only gives the product for one of the seasons.

[autumn tide]

hey! not a crops person but I think basic 'when' stuff should work!

hey! wanna check i wrote this right?

first time writing it out by hand lol

[worthy ermine]

i can't draw hair for shit 😭

[valid folio]

https://smapi.io/json/none/b8fa2e31703c4176965dce3368a6a99e

I think I accidentally figured out what the error is. When I put it in SMAPI Validator to share the code, it showed me there’s an error. It seems i don’t need to duplicate “TapItems,” but I’m still not sure how it should be written.

[brave fable]

without looking at a solution for your particular issue, it's simple enough to fix your json structure
https://smapi.io/json/none/c72e0f45d2d843cb85eb9f607b778dda
TapItems is a [] list of {} objects, so it's as simple as cutting out the double-definition and ensuring both objects from different lists are now in the same list

given your first entry has Chance: 1 for Season: Spring, it's worth noting that your second entry for Season: Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter will never be used in spring, in case that's not what you intended

per the wiki,

If multiple items can be produced, the first available one is selected.

[brave fable]

yeah, hair is hard. if you're looking to copy the vanilla style, what helped me was fillbucketing all the colours in the vanilla characters' hair and using that as a silhouette reference, then after drawing in some hair shapes keeping the 3d shape in mind, gradually adding details one colour at a time

[valid folio]

Mmm, I partially understand. I got the first part (I think haha), but I’m not very sure about the second. The wiki link is this one, right?

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Wild_trees

[brave fable]

yep, that's the page so when the wiki says the first available one it means the first one passing all conditions, including Season and Chance.
since in spring both of these entries will match the Season: Spring condition, which one is used depends on the Chance value being rolled, and the order they appear in the TapItems list, preferring topmost entries

per the wiki, Chance behaves like so:

The probability that this entry is selected, as a value between 0 (never drops) and 1 (always drops). Default 1 (100% chance).
so all things being equal, with both entries using Season: Spring and Chance: 1 , the game will always use the first entry when choosing an item from the tapper, which in this case would be AyakashiBloom

essentially you'd get the exact same result using Season: Summer, Fall, Winter on AyakashiDrop since it'll never be used in spring. if that's what you want then that's perfect, but i thought i'd mention it in case it's not

[valid folio]

I understand, I’ll give it a try. Thank you so much for such a detailed explanation.

[brave fable]

so what's the behaviour you're looking for, both appearing in spring with a 50-50 chance? one always instead of another?

[valid folio]

I want the flower (AyakashiBloom) to appear every two days and the sap every five days, both in spring. In the following seasons, only the sap (AyakashiDrop).

[brave fable]

hm, i see why you wrote it the way you did

[valid folio]

https://smapi.io/json/none/5e9a399f6d04426986a0c49de7d46127

Now I removed the TapItems redundancy, but still in summer it doesn’t produce sap with the tapper.

[brave fable]

does it produce blooms in summer?

[brittle pasture]

Season only accepts one value

that comma format doesn't work

you need to use the SEASON GSQ in the Condition field

[valid folio]

No, it should produce sap (a special sap from the tree in question).

[valid folio]

SEASON GSO?

[brittle pasture]

[[Modding:Game_state_queries]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[valid folio]

Ok, I’ll take a look. Thanks, Selph.

[valid folio]

This way?

"ANY \ "SEASON Summer winter fall \ "

[brave fable]

technically you don't need Season or Condition on AyakashiDrop at all, depending on how you handle the 2-or-5-days item feature, since the idea is to have it produce blooms whenever it isn't producing drops
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/996bcfb5a34e401f97485545df68914d

as for scheduling the drops-every-2-days and blooms-every-5-days, i'm not quite sure how i'd write that

[valid folio]

I had another idea, but I’ll be able to test it after my shower haha. Thank you so much, Holly, I really appreciate the thought. After I shower, I’ll try both methods and we’ll see what works. I’ll let you know if I succeed hehe.

[brittle pasture]

wild tree drops has the PreviousItemId field which can achieve that (probably)

[brittle pasture]

you don't need the ANY wrapper (though you may not need the season either)

what you can do is have these entries ordered as such

• bloom, spring, conditioned on previous item being sap
• sap, every season

[brave fable]

if you wanted it to produce on a schedule like this, with D for drops, B for blooms, and - for neither:
- D - D B
then you could maybe do this:
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/a5c4a0734f354360b48f08c2adc5f565
but it'd still run into the issue where every 10th day it's both a multiple of 2 and 5, so with both conditions passing it'd ignore the bloom and create a drop

[rain matrix]

I forgot to tune the wandering back beyond the testing phase and so now they must dance.

[brittle pasture]

I think they want the bloom/sap to take 2/5 days to produce

[brave fable]

hm, this made me think it's a calendar schedule

[brittle pasture]

but yeah my idea for alternate production during spring and just regular sap during summer should probably do it

alternatively why not make the bloom a shake drop, that seems more natural than flowers from tappers

set ShakeItems to be the bloom with a 50% chance, and keep sap as the sole tapper produce

though, hmm, you can't shake a tree with tappers (can you?)

yeah you can't

[brave fable]

if you make it a fruit tree you can have the flowers appear on the tree as it grows

[brittle pasture]

making them fruit trees does mean you need Machine Terrain Framework (and Aquatic Crops - formerly Custom Tapper Framework) to make them tappable

[brave fable]

all part of the plan 🙂‍↕️

if you have them spawn from a tapper every 4 and 7 days they'll only overlap after 28 days, by which time it'll be a new season (🙂‍↕️ )

[valid folio]

@brittle pasture @brave fable hahaha So many ideas have been given to me! I made a wild Sakura tree because it’s the one that gives flowers, and I made a fruit version because I want it to give the fruit (the cherry) and the flower of that Sakura variety. While making the mod, I found out that there are several types of Sakura trees: some give flowers and others give fruits. That’s why I made them in two “flavors.” Now I’ll leave you a screenshot, while I go edit the code.

[brittle pasture]

the mr beast spambots coming out in force today

[valid folio]

Yes haha @brittle pasture here the trees

[brave fable]

i thought that was your screenshot for a moment lol

[valid folio]

Hahaha yes, I was just about to post it when a wild random screenshot appeared lol.

[brave fable]

for sure, sakura is likely just a term for any blossoming stonefruit tree, but like many trees there's plenty of breeds/varieties/species with different qualities, so there's plenty of variety in what you can make

[hard fern]

there are so many stonefruits out there

[valid folio]

I’m going to try if it works and I’ll let you know.

[valid folio]

The red tree is the Ceibo, the national tree of Argentina, and the yellow one is the Araguaney, the national tree of Venezuela. I made the latter by request, and that’s when I learned how to make wild tree mods. The Ceibo is from my country, and the sakuras, the white and pink ones, are the national tree of Japan. I want to keep adding more wild trees to the game.

@brave fable @brittle pasture you did it, we have sakura sap

Now I need to go back in time to see what happens in spring.

@brave fable and @brittle pasture
I also discovered, I think, that the count resets after collecting the item, so apparently there wouldn’t be any conflicts or overlaps on the same day.

I really appreciate both of you a lot. Now I have to see how I can solve the same problem with the fruiting sakura.

This is the code
https://smapi.io/json/none/28d21273c85a41e3b3a6d968d1787254

[regal pollen]

I have a question about custom farm maps. I haven't made one since 1.5, when the farmhouse location was still fixed. Do I need to worry about making it wider than the default farms still? Or can I extend the map on the right side now?

I'm currently plotting out the sections, a fancy four corners in a way, and I just remembered that detail lol

[weak mesa]

Hello!! question about dialog conditions [from a silly little noob]: i'm working on a dialog mod, i'm still mainly preparing dialog atm but I spent the past couple weeks or so digging into guides and breakdowns of how dialog (and modding it) in SV works. i just want to know, is it possible to make dialog from Character A that depends on Friendship with Character B? Think, like:

Talking to Sam with less than 5 hearts with Jodi: "Feel free to drop by for dinner. Mom might make a fuss about a surprise guest, but I'm sure she'll be fine with it. I just need to remember to tell her..."

Talking to Sam with 5+ hearts with Jodi: "Feel free to drop by for dinner. Mom would love to have you over, she likes hearing about your farmwork. I guess she's glad someone's shaking things up around here."

It's probably weirdly early for me to ask this since I don't even have the code writing started, but I want to manage my expectations and plan accordingly so I can focus on what I can do with my lacking experience vs what i cant

[autumn tide]

yup!

GSQs! one sec..

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries#Player_relationships:~:text=a pet.-,PLAYER_HEARTS,-<player> <npc

[calm nebula]

Sure! You can either do the query or just use a When condition

[tight rivet]

that feeling when you see errors starting at line 2717

the other feeling when a file that loads fine suddenly breaks for no good reason.

{
          "ID": "{{ModId}}.GOF_Gallant_Grove_Raisins",
          "BeforeID": "Raisins",
          "When": {
            "HasMod|contains=Cornucopia.MoreCrops": true
          }
        },

apparently you cna't have when conditions there according to the json validator

I somehow feel this is .. probably not correct

(also compats are not fun and aaaaahhh why did I start this project)

[mild furnace]

@ivory plume hey Pathos, I’ve spent the last 4 days or so pouring over the code for Content Patcher and revising it. I have gotten to a point where I think I’ve made a branch that considerably improved certain elements of performance, with minimal-to-zero downsides, and haven’t seen any problems in my personal mod list with about 500-600 mods. That said, my improvements could 1) be placebo and 2) be causing issues with certain specific mod lists or mods

I want a larger sample size for testing. For that reason I was hoping to distribute (and open source) my branch before PR-ing

For reference, in my testing total profiler-assessed time for updating tokens and patching them fell from about 45ms to 30 stretched over 2 frames

I know your code is MIT licensed, but I just want the go-ahead before I start distributing for testing

[autumn tide]

oh, afaik pathos is gonna be afk for a while due to some flooding issues

[mild furnace]

Oh shit

[autumn tide]

yeah :(

[mild furnace]

In that case I’ll probably just reserve it for modmakers

Until pathos is back

[autumn tide]

want me to attach the link to where he talked about it? i think he included a time estimate for when he'd be back but tbh i don't remember-

[lucid iron]

arshia u can just raise your PR anyways

so that there's a record of what you did

and u can show ppl

[uncut viper]

wouldnt updating things across multiple frames be bad for things that need to be updated immediately i.e. on the first frame of a new day when things like schedules and whatnot are being decided

[mild furnace]

Only images are updated next frame

Data is updated immediately

[uncut viper]

ah, carry on then

[mild furnace]

I also decreased garbage collector pressure greatly

TokenManager.UpdateContext and PatchManager.TickDeferredPatches allocated new HashSets, Queues, and Lists every single time they ran.

I introduced reusable class-level fields (e.g., ReusableChangedTokens, ReusablePatchQueue). These are Clear()’ed and reused, eliminating some Garbage Collection during gameplay.

[gentle rose]

@ chu I did the crime you suggested

[drowsy pewter]

what does raisins have to do with cornucopia?

heads up you also need to be using cornucopias mailflags or cmct to check for the crop settings

[tight rivet]

Grapes of Ferngill has specific raisin recipes

for the rest god only knows, but it's in the compatiblity base from Grapes of Ferngill

[drowsy pewter]

you're not removing player access to raisin entirely are you?

[tight rivet]

nope

this only triggers on specific GOF grapes

[drowsy pewter]

alright

[tight rivet]

I'm really not honestly sure why Grapes does this

it's just to make it work with Preserve Quality Upgrades

but I'm trusting the original modder had a reason. =/

[brave fable]

i don't believe layerdepth issues for Y > 150 were ever resolved, no

[regal pollen]

Ahhh that's a shame And annoying, means I gotta start over. At least I don't have too too much done, just some islands blocked out

[uncut viper]

(i missed this earlier but if you mean the validator is not correct, then no, it is entirely correct. if you mean this patch is incorrect then yeah carry on)

[drowsy pewter]

well there are plenty of huge farm maps

[tight rivet]

.. that is weird

[drowsy pewter]

im sure its a tradeoff you can choose to make

[tight rivet]

because I have yet to get acutal complaints on the pre-existing file on the patch

[uncut viper]

probably because the extra field just gets entirely ignored when newtonsoft parses it

[drowsy pewter]

the validator is just telling you it doesnt work, the file is.logically fine

[regal pollen]

I've just been out of the scene for a while, and I wasn't able to find ay good tutorials that were updated

[brave fable]

just as a point of reference, Giga Farm is 'only' 155x155, quote the mod page "definitely way more space than 99.9% of users will ever need"

[drowsy pewter]

ah ok i thought they were just asking about bigger than vanilla

[tight rivet]

hm. Well, I guess I get to do silly things then.

[brave fable]

the entire town being a measly 110x110

[regal pollen]

I'm making a new map for me and my friends, so I was hoping to go big so that we'd have more than enough space for all four of us lmao

[tight rivet]

seems kinda odd you wouldn't support when conditions on moving entries

[uncut viper]

i dont think so. you cant do half-patches

you either do the whole patch or you dont

if you want to When individual MoveEntries, you make separate patches

[tight rivet]

Ah.

I see.

[regal pollen]

My previous map was definitely bigger than vanilla's, but it was length wise bigger, not width wise

[uncut viper]

the validator is correct because "When" is only valid on the entire patch object, on the same lvel as Action and Target

[tight rivet]

So, pointless making files longer than it needs to be, classic. :V

[uncut viper]

not inside MoveEntries

if you want to When all the moveentries at once then you can still dothat on the same patch

[tight rivet]

Riight now I'm actually trying to figure out why there's a cornucopia requirement here to b egin with

[drowsy pewter]

why dont you take a look at the giga farm that blueberry mentioned and imagine that as the upper limit for your farm map.see if that feels like enough space for you. Because you can for sure make maps larger than the default farm no issue

[tight rivet]

none of these are actually predicated on cornucopia being there..

[drowsy pewter]

sakorona i feel like you should just make your own logical decisions

sometimes the original mod is just wrong lol

[tight rivet]

yeah, I.. am going to just nuke these hasmods from existance

[uncut viper]

well as it is theyve been doing literally nothing, so. might as well

[tight rivet]

(I actually live in minor dread about an upgrade to one of these mods, because I had to reimplement it's logic, but it looks like PFM is increasingly on it's way out for people who don't need anything beyond vanilla rules.)

[regal pollen]

It's mostly fact that I know before you couldn't move the farmhouse location, but now you can, so just not sure if that's made making farms any different. But I thiiiink it should be fine as long as you don't touch that section? Just block off that upper extra portion on that top right corner, extending underneath it but essentially keeping the bus-stop exit and farmhouse location the same? But I'll definitely look at that map, see what they've done for it

[drowsy pewter]

im sure its fine

[tight rivet]

thanks for the advice!

[regal pollen]

Ugh, I'm so damn rusty with this lol

[tight rivet]

Soemthing about CP makes me just kinda go

"I hvae no clue what I'm doing"

and I find CP's documentation very .. not useful.

(the tutorials, on the other hand, are actually pretty useful.)

[vernal crest]

That is really unfortunate for you! I find the CP docs really excellent

[drowsy pewter]

mostly because cp documentation only covers the functions while you need to understand the component of the game data models to utilize it

so you cant rely on one or the other but both

the tutorials just combine both

[vernal crest]

I love that Pathos has so many examples of things so I can almost always see how to write things

[tight rivet]

The CP docs kinda, to me, lack examples of non-standard usage. I've had to open up mods multiple times to figure out things on how to use them for various fields

[gentle rose]

aedenthorn made some kind of c# crime for it iirc

[uncut viper]

you can move whatever you want anywhere, you can control the farmhouse location in the map itself as well as the entry points from the bus stop and backwoods

[tight rivet]

although, I will agree

once you have the data models understood, the CP documentation is mostly fine.

[tame burrow]

Content Patcher documentation is 100% fine after you understand the game's data models and basic .json formatting yeah

The thing that really helped me learn was patch exporting data files from the game and reading them, then practicing applying .json formatting myself without copy and pasting from elsewhere

Then it just kinda makes sense where stuff goes for the most part.

[vernal crest]

I read other people's mods a lot

But I also patch export a lot. Mostly to check for mistakes, but when I'm unsure how to format my json, I'll do it the way I think should work, then patch export the result so I can see if it's done what it was meant to. It's helpful for letting me see that I was putting things at the wrong level or using TargetField for the wrong thing, etc.

[tame burrow]

Friendship ended with manually testing simple things, patch export is my new best friend

(when I realized you could just patch export dialogue my life changed forever)

[lucid mulch]

when you understand and internalize that all CP does is influence the asset pipeline to change what patch export will spit out, things get much easier

the only asset that CP has any special case logic for (excluding migrations) is Data/Achievements due to its weird nonstandard string delimatted value format.
everything else it doesn't know the difference between Data/Events/Farm and Data/Characters

[calm nebula]

Or, hell

Some/Mod/Custom/Asset

(As long as that mod sticks to lists, dictionaries, and simple models)

[vernal crest]

I will patch export anything

[calm nebula]

Can you patch export my sewing machine, thanks

[vernal crest]

I used patch export to check my logic that the GMCM buttons were in the content pipeline

[calm nebula]

I misplaced it

[vernal crest]

patch export Atra_SewingMachine

[calm nebula]

Found it, thanks!

[mild furnace]

sanity check

does someone wanna look over this

wait wrong version

[lucid mulch]

any cache pathos will have questions regarding cache mutation and what evicts the cache

[mild furnace]

I did integrate your cache
and I was considering a texture cache or texture atlas but it was too much work tbh

[lucid mulch]

#making-mods-general message

There is a reason I ended up releasing it as SpeedySolutions

[mild furnace]

would you mind testing this for me?

I just want to see if the performance is there and if others have immediate issues, and then I'll address those concerns, since I think that can be worked on

known issues: menus seem far far too fast, animations for player too slow

[lucid iron]

how could a CP mod affect that...

[mild furnace]

its not a CP mod

it's CP itself

[lucid iron]

yea sorry CP PR i mean

those things seem beyond the asset pipeline

animation for players could have something to do with farmerrenderer and it's special content manager

[mild furnace]

it was an issue with another mod it seems actually

loading in with CJB Cheats preconfigured to higher speed values

[heavy pewter]

Could not load type 'System.Runtime.CompilerServices.NullableContextAttribute' from assembly 'System.Runtime, Version=6.0.0.0...'

From a user's log, is it because I'm compiling my mods net8.0?

StardewModdingAPI.dll needs net 8.0 in mobile that's why I'm compiling on it

[mild furnace]

it's because your net 8 compilation is using features net 6 doesnt have

[lucid mulch]

Stardew Valley and SMAPI (desktop) is .NET 6, so compiling above it will error at runtime

[heavy pewter]

Folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Stardew Valley

The user is a desktop player. I guess I need to revise my mod description

[balmy valve]

what's the location i should use in a marriage schedule if i want bro to go to the spouse patio?

is it just "farm"?

[lucid mulch]

iirc them going to the spouse patio just happens when its a saturday and not raining (and not winter or krobus)

[vernal crest]

Yeah you don't have control over that

[balmy valve]

ok

why custom spouse room no load? are there specific map properties i need?

[hard fern]

you gave them the spouse room in the npc character data right?

[balmy valve]

Yes, I think so- loaded it in the content.json

[tiny zealot]

you don't need any map properties. you might need the circle tile from the paths tilesheet for the standing spot but there might be a default/fallback for that, i don't recall

the farmhouse is kind of fucky though so make sure you left and reentered the map (in case you did debug marry)

and maybe even sleep a day

[balmy valve]

I put the circle tile on both, but the spouse patio is blank, and the room is Abigail's

and i married the regular way not the debug way

[tiny zealot]

!json probably a mistake in your data then, if you got the default room (abigail's)

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[balmy valve]

ok

[tiny zealot]

(first link is for you to share your json with us, so we can try to spot the problem)

[balmy valve]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c77041606de3424f99bbef51ed572cce

Nothing wrong, again...I'm just gonna save and quit, might be a createOnLoad thing

[vernal crest]

There's no Data/SpouseRooms asset. Edit: anymore

You need to add it to their Data/Characters entry like Forsy said

Scroll down to SpouseRoom and SpousePatio: https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data#Social_features

[brittle pasture]

(they were a thing, but whatever guide you're using is very outdated)

(if you can link that to see if it's something we can fix I'd appreciate it)

[balmy valve]

I see

I'm pretty sure the code i used was for SDV 1.5 transition

[vernal crest]

As in, transition from 1.4 to 1.5?

[balmy valve]

yeah

[vernal crest]

Ah yeah, things changed a lot in 1.6

[balmy valve]

Crap I forgot to load the assets aeugh

HE KEEPS. FLIPPING. EVERY TIME I TRY TO KISS BRO

I set "kiss sprite facing right" to false WHY DO HE KEEP FLIPPIN

[vernal crest]

So he's facing left on your spritesheet and you have "KissSpriteFacingRight": false but he flips when you kiss him?

[balmy valve]

No matter if it's set to false or true he just flips

[balmy valve]

Yes, he flips the wrong way

[vernal crest]

Try flipping him on your spritesheet?

[balmy valve]

:c

I will. Think that will work. Issue is with the code though- like what if I did sm wrong?

[vernal crest]

Then share it and ask someone to check

[balmy valve]

I will once I get the spouse room set up. It's showing up, I jsut made the map wrong so I have to fix that

okay, everything is fixed, i will now go flip the spritesheet

fixed the kiss ;c

thank you everyone

Now i just have to code all of bro's heart events and add like 200 more lines of dialogue and schedule dialogue and edit my previous NPCs' sprites/portrait/heart event storylines and then make a whole nother NPC and :😵‍💫

[vernal crest]

And convert to i18n sooner rather than later to make it easier for you and future translators! /hj

[balmy valve]

NOOOOOOOOO

Ok

Lock in Rohan

I can do this

[heavy pewter]

Sorry for interrupting, but is this the right way to disable my mod in different platform, cuz the mod is causing crashes in desktop

[balmy valve]

dont b sorry i was done

[vernal crest]

Don't worry, i18n seems intimidating at first but once you actually break it down it is quite simple

[balmy valve]

im breaking down right now babygir- checks bio babythey

Gee whiz I can't wait until i'm done with this mod update so i can delete every single tilesheet from my maps folder :D

[vagrant grove]

I'm confused. Bug report:

InvalidOperationException: The StardewValley.Menus.CarpenterMenu object doesn't have a 'MagicalConstruction' instance field.```
Code:

        if (!Helper.Reflection.GetField<bool>(e.NewMenu, "MagicalConstruction").GetValue()) return;

CarpenterMenu:
            public bool MagicalConstruction => this.Data.MagicalConstruction;


I mean, looks like I can just use it now that it's public but why would the reflection get fail

[calm nebula]

That's a property

Not a field

[vagrant grove]

Ah, must have changed

Since 2018

[vernal crest]

If you like, I can introduce you to a wonderful invention that means you don't need a single tilesheet in your maps folder!

[hard fern]

i wonder who made it

maybe it's someone we know

[vernal crest]

Maybe. Possibly someone I threatened about releasing it properly just last night so that I don't have to keep digging through DIscord messages to give it to people.

You know what, I should just make my own message with both the download and the instructions and then send people that. Cut iro out entirely

[tame burrow]

This. Don't be me and ignore standard practice despite knowing the correct thing to do!!

(Stares at my hundreds of lines of untranslated, overly complicated event dialogue that I've already broke twice trying to put through automater scripts)

[tight rivet]

til: nexus's mod manager, if you manually import a mod

will not remmeber what library you imported it to

and will show it up in every game

and if you delete it from any library, it delets from every game

😐

completely unrelatedly: i have no idea what mods I've accidentally deleted form my game.

anyway

back to testing @.@

[whole raptor]

Have you tried my i18nifier app? I don't think it should break anything And if it does I can just fix it

[urban patrol]

i can definitely endorse nomori's 18nifier, it saved my entire life

[vernal crest]

I have even used it even though I have a strict i18n naming system. I finally realised that for some things at least, I can use the i18nifier and then do a find and replace to replace the automatic keys with mine. It worked really well and saved me lots of work.

[tame burrow]

Don't think I tried this one, I'll give it a try! There's a couple others converters floating around. Does it get along well with intended & break-lined events?

This is what mine tend to look like https://github.com/7thAxis/Lurking-in-the-Dark/blob/main/Lurking in the Dark/[CP] Lurking in the Dark/Data/Events/Travis/4H.json

[tight rivet]

my dread when trying to write conversion mods is

"hi, yes, lookup anything cannot help you here"

[tame burrow]

Looks like it does preserve my meticulous indentation THANK YOU for this wonderful creation many hours of pain, saved

[vernal crest]

Ooh using indentation to make the event even more readable, smart

[whole raptor]

Glad it works for you!

[tame burrow]

Yeah I prefer to write my events like I'm writing code blocks, makes them significantly less intimidating!

[gray bear]

vscode would complain about this no?

i know it still works but why must the program yell at me

[fossil osprey]

Because that's technically not correct JSON, which vscode expect since that's the file extension
We would need a specific stardew-json spelling checker for it not to complain

[gray bear]

oh also, don't know if everyone just, knows about this, but you can add line breaks to i18n's values to do a line break
you use \r\n
before & after adding \r\n
helps a bit with formatting

this is, different for operation system types however

[uncut viper]

this only works if the place in question supports line breaks like that in the first place, which is not every place you can write text

[woeful lintel]

what does \n only even do on windows?

[gray bear]

nothing (i think?)

[woeful lintel]

so if I make a mod with \n in an item description, it will make a newline for me but not for windows users?

[gray bear]

nvm \n alone also works

/r doesn't do anything, it seems

oh maybe thats cause im not on mac

[woeful lintel]

I guess it makes sense since the text renderer doesn't depend on the OS since it's a C#/dotnet/xna feature

[gray bear]

these are just i18n values so could be different for anything else

[mild furnace]

@modest spade mostly C#

[woeful lintel]

I'm pretty sure CR/LF vs LF is an issue in the text of actual files, so doesn't affect manually escaped characters

[gray bear]

so will it work for everyone if i just add \n?

[modest spade]

uff, kinda boring language

gl to you, moders

[woeful lintel]

what do you code in?

[royal stump]

afaik, \n should work the same on any OS as far as stardew (and various other things) are concerned, yes
the only caveat is that not every text field will correctly format a line break

[gray bear]

thank you!

[modest spade]

me? js,php,python (java a little) i´m a web developer with knowleadge of IA and Big Data

[woeful lintel]

ok, you do not get to call other languages "boring" if that's your stack

[gray bear]

i wish i18n let u do bold and italics but at this point its wishful thinking

[uncut viper]

them being i18n has nothing to do with them being rendered

them being i18n isnt whats letting you do newlines either

[gray bear]

ah, stardew text in general them

[modest spade]

mate, you can think that anything is bored and say it

[gray bear]

starting at the fonts folder tho, i see the issue

stardew text doesn't let you do much in terms of formatting, huh?

[woeful lintel]

there's probably some mod taking care of this

[gray bear]

doesn't really seem like it

[woeful lintel]

welp, that can go in the mod idea list

there was someone in here tinkering with fonts/languages recently, maybe they can look into it

or give advice on the feasability

[royal stump]

sprite edits are one thing & new languages became viable in ~1.5.5, but getting the text code to do new things would be a big mess of harmony patches iirc

a couple people have worked on right-to-left fonts in the last year or two, but I'm not sure aside from that, or how that's going

[gray bear]

that was ichor, no?

[royal stump]

ig some language features might be viable requests for 1.7
probably a lot of work with translator involvement though (depending on details)

[gray bear]

adding bold/italic fonts does seem like a mess, escp when localization is concerned, all the sprites

ichor mod for adding new fonts very cool

tis a pipe dream

would the \n thing also work for dialouge? i know there's not a reason why it shouldn't, but dialogue has its own special formatting code

[royal stump]

I vaguely recall seeing it work there, but can't confirm, and the boxes only have a few lines to begin with

also glancing at ichor's Font Smasher, ig you could add new glyphs that are just bold/italic? though it'd awkward to write

[gray bear]

even if you do add them, how would you use em

[royal stump]

add a bunch of accented/etc symbols like Ā, ā, Ē, ē, Ī, ī, Ō, ō, Ū, ū, Ŷ and have them look like bold letters

like how stardew turns a few random symbols into emoji

(disclaimer that I've only skimmed the mod docs though)

[gray bear]

that's gonna make living hell for translators

[royal stump]

yep, and might have issues with accessibility mods etc, I'm not sure if/how they're compatible at all

so technically possible but not something I'd recommend

[gray bear]

i don't think the way stardew handles font/texts is meant to work with bold, italics etc. wonder how other games do it

[royal stump]

stardew's text stuff seems pretty hand-made & draws letters like any other sprite
vs more modern games just supporting actual unicode fonts/etc and sometimes using third-party utilities

being built on XNA/monogame probably limits the built-in font stuff too, though I'm not really familiar

[lucid mulch]

stardew does use a real font for some languages iirc

[royal stump]

oh right, there're .fnt files for ru/kr/cn/jp

[gray bear]

interesting

[royal stump]

but sprites too, not sure how it uses them exactly

[gray bear]

what are .fnt files

oh, like .ttf but older. my computer doesn't know what to do with em

[royal stump]

assuming it's that format & not just another one using the extension, yeah
a specific format for installing & rendering a font, instead of stardew's bespoke font logic

[tame burrow]

I set mine up ages ago before there were SDV specific things you could DL to make it not scream for breaklines

My schedule files and event files have the squiggly visual errors jankily disabled. I should update to a Stardew json checker one of these days

[gray bear]

where could I download these SDV specific thing?

[obtuse wigeon]

I wanna say the schema is one? but I'm not too sure with that

[woeful lintel]

search "stardew syntax" in the vscode extension tab

there's also stardew modding schema that was made last month, but Idk if it handles dialogue and events

[gray bear]

ooh

ty

funky

this doesn't disable all the red squiggly but its really useful for events

[vernal crest]

I use jsonl

Because who needs error checking

[gray bear]

well, me, usually. but that's very fair, lmao

[round dock]

@outer glacier

[autumn tide]

oooh looks cool

thanks :)

[west thunder]

What the hell is up with the nine sprites in the middle there?

Is this another bat situation where the majority of the sprite sheet gets unused?

[calm nebula]

Yes

[modest dagger]

my guess is they were temp sprites and then CA realised hey wait i don't need to sprite this

like look at the top right three they don't have glowing eyes i don't think they're used either

[autumn tide]

huh

[west thunder]

Forgot about the top row, the other rows looked more brighter.

[west thunder]

Everything's been figured out. The first collumn and final row are the only sprites used in-game.

[autumn tide]

i only recongnize like 8 of them from the game-

[autumn tide]

yayy i got it lol

[west thunder]

Stellar.

These should be ESPECIALLY easy to make.

[warped perch]

so, to use the custom spouse room location, i need to put the name of the spouse, however, it seems that octavia and rasmodia, despite it being the name in game, is not the name for this

how could i find what name i need to put ? (the other are all working fine)

[lucid iron]

Rasmodia is the wizard right

As in still internal id Wizard

[warped perch]

genderbent wizard yea

so wizard would be the name i put ok

[lucid iron]

Yeah do a patch export Data/Characters

The key of the resulting json is what you should be writing i think

[warped perch]

?

what does that mean ? (sorry i don't know much about this type of stuff)

[devout otter]

From what mod is Octavia?

[warped perch]

SVE

OH GOD

i'm dumb

Olivia x)

[devout otter]

Do you mean Olivia.

[lucid iron]

You put that console command into the smapi

[warped perch]

bruhhhhh octavia is my pfp character/oc x)

[lucid iron]

And then it'll give you the data of every loaded npc mod included

[warped perch]

won't be needed since i realised my mistake but thanks

[lucid iron]

So you can use that to find stuff

Well it's for future ref if u have more husbands/wives

[warped perch]

still planning on marrying Sandy, and maybe Shiko or another modded npc but i'm not entirely sure yet

[warped perch]

thank you so much x)

[lucid iron]

(did someone unofficial fix shiko again)

[devout otter]

AFAIK the Wizard has different name internally in SVE.

[warped perch]

what is it then ?

[devout otter]

(Not sure, though.)

[devout otter]

Yar, you can do the patch export thing to check.

[warped perch]

ok lemme try to see if i understood x)

[warped perch]

sow here exactly do i have to put that ?

i launch the game ?

and then in the thingy that appears ?

[obtuse wigeon]

you launch the game then paste it into the thingy (terminal) that appears, hit enter, and it will say where the files are put after it's finished doing it's thing

(If it doesn't let you paste with Ctrl + V (Cmd instead of Ctrl on Mac) try using Ctrl + Shift + V instead)

[eager tree]

I could be wrong, but the wizard is named Magnus in SVE. Some of his portraits are named so when I was last editing, and a saw a few dialogue tagged as Magnus

[warped perch]

okay i managed to do it, and the id is still Wizard even with SVE

[warped perch]

maybe the genderbent wizard mod overwrites that tho

[eager tree]

probably! would make sense

[warped perch]

only one way to be sure, if everything works fine she should have her room to the left of my farmhouse next to caroline's

[lucid iron]

Double check if there's also a Magnus entry

SVE does some shenanigans where they use special versions of the NPCs they made social

[warped perch]

there's isn't

and it's working

well- there's a few visual oddities and stuff, but it's overall working fine

specifically that tiny bit of nothing next to haley's room is weird, and also uh you can walk into the walls like rasmodia is doing rn but that's probably a bug from the farmhouse and not the custom room location

[mortal stag]

has anyone been incorporating AI into making stardew mods yet?
I'm probably late to the party here but the potential is crazy

i just told it to make me a jump mod and it ... just made the jump mod in 0.2 seconds

[lucid iron]

Did you read #rules

[mortal stag]

is this frowned upon in the community or are people doing it?

ah, i guess it is completely not allowed on this discord

[lucid iron]

The potential has proven to be questionable because none of the models knows much about the game itself

There's a recent deluge of ai mods on nexus, and as soon as they try anything more complicated than "toggle some numbers on smapi event" it explodes

[finite ginkgo]

On a personal note, I'd also prefer to use some random person's potentially shoddily coded mod rather than an AI's mod even if it does function

[autumn tide]

..okay it's schedule time prepare for a deluge of questions

[eager tree]

AI content is not allowed on most SDV servers, but even if you decide to do your own mod with it regardless, I would recommend that you try to code it yourself first? AI is known to make very faulty codes. And Stardew has a very artist-centered community. Some people might not want to use an AI-made mod and might associate your account with AI-made content and avoid it. I'm not trying to judge you on it, despite being against AI, just giving you some sort of heads up?

[mortal stag]

honestly i haven't played stardew in a while nor downloaded any mods, i am in school for computer science and was never really able to understand C# mods, but through the use of AI I could easily make one, so i was just exploring that

[mortal stag]

I got it thank you, I don't have any mod in mind just was excited about what this could do for Stardew modding and I guess game modding overall.
I am of the opinion that it is inevitable... and exciting, we are going to see more numerous and more powerful mods for just about every game out there probably
When my kids get to the age where they start looking into this it's going to be a completely different ballgame compared to what I was doing
And I am 100% sure they are not going to know about it training on some people's code who played Stardew 10 years ago, no offense meant but unless there is some kind of law against it it's gonna happen just like piracy
And I also get why, like piracy, it's not an allowed topic, so I'll stop there lol. just making converastion and tbh excited about the future.

[lucid iron]

You don't have to justify yourself to me when I'm just telling you about something that happened recently

I also have higher than average standards on what is quality mod code cus im a nerd

[mortal stag]

there are so many awesome modders and coders (nerds) here that i wish i could have been a part of the last few years but understanding C# never really clicked for me. i tried my best. but i'm in college for it now like i said so i'm hoping to join that crew someday.

[lucid iron]

Still your reaction illustrates how AI makes some impressive looking things to people not deep in the sauce

Doing the C# yourself is better for your learning in the long run

[eager tree]

I am of a somewhat contrary opinion, but I understand your point I hope you stay around the modding community though, there's lots of mods you can make even without understanding C#
I am one who doesn't understand a single thing about C# but has made quite a few mods! lmao

[mortal stag]

i have friends in the industry and they are using AI in their jobs which has become fairly common practice from what i can tell so i wasn't sure how acceptible it would be to modding

yes sir i have like 15 mods or something that all use content patcher. i am a pleb modder but proud of what i did

[lucid iron]

I use it to write docs in me job

[gray bear]

if you're going to ask only to try and justify it when people disagree, i fail to see the point. do as you like

[lucid iron]

But the actual codebase is cursed so that's why they pay me to be in the sauce

[mortal stag]

as mentioned I have no intention of making a stardew mod with AI or otherwise at the moment, i have my hands full already

[mortal stag]

yeah that makes sense. trying to get internships has been pretty impossible as they don't need us when AI can be piloted by an experienced dev. I don't even know what the new "entry level" is going to look like. i get that it needs a pilot but it doesn't really need me as its pilot when an experienced dev can do it in 2 seconds. there is no real "grunt work" to pass around any more.

idk I could be wrong here but that's the impression I get

[mild furnace]

AI does all my markdown files lmao

But function autocomplete and linting is all you need for 99% of QoL when it comes to writing code

That and understanding basics like git

[mild furnace]

Depends on the industry and what you’re making. No low level engineer is meaningfully using AI

Unless you happen to work at Microsoft

But for the use case you’re probably describing (small scripts and content mods without much in the way of assets), I’m sure AI could help. Just gets iffy if you’re touching anything critical

SMAPI (and C# for that matter) has so many guardrails in place to where it’s honestly just better to try making stuff yourself

Sometimes what you do will work

Other times it’ll do this

Literally 1fps

[lucid iron]

Speeb

[mild furnace]

Me when the update context ends

So another updatecontext can start immediately after

😱

performans

[mortal stag]

i made a website by asking it to make stuff then if it broke like that asking it to fix it, piece by piece

sure it gives some dumb stuff sometimes but it can fix it reasonably well with prompting

a senior engineer could have developed it faster with no AI but for myself it would have probably taken me months instead of weeks

[lucid iron]

(this is probably better for #programmers-off-topic )

[mild furnace]

If you’re stubborn, have a pro subscription, use a good model, and know what to look for, and use AI best practices (clearing the context window) you can get good results

Also true

[tight rivet]

"Why isn't this working??!?" check in the morning

".. would help if I had it output a valid item"

[tight rivet]

.. is the wiki up for everyone?

[brittle pasture]

up for me

[tight rivet]

hm

must be me or my ISP. Thanks!

[woeful lintel]

Just found an amazing video: https://youtu.be/3T-_zmQwT1o

Oh sorry, I meant to put this in off-topic.

I guess now that I've read the recent conversation, it is on topic

[rose sequoia]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Action
i can't seem to find an action that simply drops an item, does sdv not have anything like this ?

[lucid iron]

i dont think so, need some kinda mod

if you wish to do it all in vanilla you can create a "shop" that sells 1 item for no money

limit it to stock 1

[vagrant grove]

First time I've updated Better Junimos myself in like 5 years. Would appreciate testing before I publish it. https://github.com/hawkfalcon/Stardew-Mods/releases/tag/3.1.2-beta

[brittle pasture]

feel free to also advertise in - nvm you also posted there lol

[balmy valve]

Problem with my map replacements

https://smapi.io/log/0100645eb7af4aa2a0e2cb5bf1d55d9d

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.2.1 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 6 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them, SMAPI is out of date, consider updating it

[rose sequoia]

is there a way to trick the option "dialogue" to give me a item like i can do with NPC dialogues ?

[balmy valve]

I don't think this problem happened with the old version of the mod- the one that's currently published

[somber monolith]

Is there any layout for a standard farm?

[rose sequoia]

if not i'll try this

[balmy valve]

yes, it's the farm.tmx file

[somber monolith]

sorry i said it in the wrong channel

[lucid iron]

hm so if you do a Action NPCMessage and put a dummy NPC close enough it might work

or ig dont put them close enough? jank™

[balmy valve]

Can someone please help me? There is an issue with my map replacements- the areas in the town map that were replaced are now just...only loading with spring tiles?

[lucid iron]

I think you left the spring_blah sheets in the same folder as your tmx

[balmy valve]

okej...thank you...

The issue is that I still have to edit the maps, so if I remove the tilesheets now, everything breaks ;c

[lucid iron]

You can remove it just for testing but there's also a tiled plugin now

[balmy valve]

?

Wdym tiled plugin?

[gray bear]

does it got a command

!tilesheetclimbing

[ocean sail]

When creating or editing maps in Tiled, one common error is tilesheet climbing, marked by red text containing "invalid tilesheet path '../../..'. This is caused by SMAPI not being able to find the tilesheets needed by the map file. To prevent this error, make sure that you have a copy of all necessary tilesheets in the folder containing your WIP tmx file. Copies of vanilla tilesheets can later be deleted, but must be present while working on your map.

If you get this error with a completed map, an easy way to fix it is to open your tmx file in VS Code or a similar text editor, find all of the places with <image source=, and remove the filepaths to so that only the tilesheet names remain. For example, if the code says <image source="Content (unpacked)/Maps/townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>, change it to just <image source="townInterior_2" width="512" height="64"/>.

To use this command, type !tilesheetclimbing.

[hard fern]

Nope

[lucid iron]

Smh iro

[gray bear]

does button's website thing do the same thing?

[balmy valve]

i have temporarily removed the spring tilesheets, let's see fi it works

Okay. Everything broke

[gray bear]

!mapfixer

[ocean sail]

Stardew Valley Map Fixer

There is a map fixer tool by Spiderbuttons that can fix common map errors such as tilesheet climbing.

Upload your map file(s) as .tmx and click FIX to run. Your fixed maps will be downloaded as a .zip file and will need to be extracted in order to replace your old versions.

Feel free to let Spiderbuttons know if you run into an issue it can't fix.

To use this command, type !mapfixer.

[gray bear]

going to bully iro for not making his plugin a command, this should also work

[balmy valve]

it's not a directory climbing issuye

[gray bear]

what does the error say

[balmy valve]

https://smapi.io/log/0100645eb7af4aa2a0e2cb5bf1d55d9d

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.2.1 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 6 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them, SMAPI is out of date, consider updating it

[balmy valve]

here's the log

[gray bear]

i mean smapi can't find the tilesheets soo

(can anyone a bit more experienced with maps help out here?)

mapfixer wouldn't hurt, would it

[uncut viper]

SMAPI is loading the tilesheet directly from your folder because you have it next to the .tmx in your folder but you dont have all the seasonal variants in the folder

[hard fern]

Did you embed the tilesheets

[uncut viper]

map fixer is irrelevant here

[gray bear]

OHH

[balmy valve]

Okay. But there's no "winter landscape" tilesheet or whatever in content/unpacked

[uncut viper]

there very much is

[lucid iron]

u should have a Maps/winter_outdoorsTileSheet2.png

[uncut viper]

winter_outdoorsTileSheet

the name of your tile_set_ in Tiled is irrelevant

[lucid iron]

z_v16_landscape2_2 is the tileset name which is something else

[uncut viper]

its the name of the image source you are using for your tileset that matters

[balmy valve]

So I need the winter tilesheets in the folder?

[gray bear]

is this map outside?

[balmy valve]

Yes it is

What happens when I need to publish my mod? Leaving the pngs in the mod folder overrides any recolor mods

[uncut viper]

if you are trying to edit the map without irocendar's plugin, and you are using seasonal tilesheets and testing in a season that is not spring, then yes, you need all the seasonal variants

just dont include the pngs

you do not need them if you are not editing the map

[balmy valve]

Okay, thank you so much

[gray bear]

use the spring ones and it'll change each season

[balmy valve]

Let me see

[uncut viper]

you should test your mod before publishing without the tilesheets at all to make sure you dont have any tilesheet climbing errors

[balmy valve]

I'm pretty sure I am using the spring ones.

[uncut viper]

but while editing, you need the tilesheets, whether in the same folder or via the aforementioned plugin

[gray bear]

where's that plugin,,,

#making-mods-general message

[balmy valve]

ok so i need the tilesheets (not the pngs, but the type script source files?)

[gray bear]

if you're editing the map, they should be in the same folder as it. if you're testing, yeet em

[uncut viper]

tilesheets are .png files

a .tsx is something different and does not contain the .pngs

it only contains information for your .tmx to tell it how to find the .pngs

[balmy valve]

ok so i need the pngs

[uncut viper]

yes, when editing

not when publishing

[balmy valve]

Alright. So while editing and preliminary testing, keep the seasonal pngs. When publishing, get rid of them.

I'm looking throught he content/unpacked folder and there's no winter_outdoors TileSheet

there's no summer or fall either

[hard fern]

they exist

are you sure you unpacked all of the images?

[balmy valve]

i have all of the language variant ones

yes i'm sure, i remember seeing them before but they're gone now

[hard fern]

you might also be overlooking them? 🤔

it should be between kr and pt-br

[balmy valve]

no, it's not there

[gray bear]

you can unpack game files again if u deleted em by accident

[hard fern]

Yeah

[balmy valve]

okay

will do ;c

Thank you for your patience

I'm re-unpacking them now.

k. Unpacked, copied pngs over, launching game now.

[rose sequoia]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Sitting_on_non-furniture_chairs How does this work ? how do i use it

oh wait i think i get it

[balmy valve]

IT WORKS. Thank you!!!

[vagrant grove]

Anyone get a chance? 😊

[torn beacon]

Loads without any errors...finding a save

menu pops, junimos are on strike. Dinner bell has rung so I'll have to take a break

[gentle rose]

wait what did I do why am I being smhed

[hard fern]

command for ur tileg blugpn

wow..

*tiled plugin

[gentle rose]

oh is it about me not uploading the extension

I was gonna do it today and then irl happened

and I had to hide under both a metaphorical and a literal blanket

[calm nebula]

How is Duke

[gentle rose]

duke is excellent, all his siblings are home so he's confused and excited

he would like a refill on the marrowbone

if tiled is gpl, does my extension need to be gpl despite not shipping a copy of tiled

[obtuse wigeon]

I don't think so?

[gentle rose]

hmm, looks like it's a complex question but my extension is on the more confident "probably fine" end

[obtuse wigeon]

Given its not a derivative of tiled itself, I'd say permission is still entirely yours

[gentle rose]

gpl is complex and includes some stuff about software that can interact together

[obtuse wigeon]

I thought that was the purpose of lgpl?

[lucid iron]

does tiled have the linking exception flavored gpl

or the pure one

[gentle rose]

no clue

oh the official tiled extensions repo is MIT

that answers that lmao

[obtuse wigeon]

The git repo for tiled seems to have 3 licenses, BSD, GPL, and APACHE....

Oh i didn't know there was an extension repo that works XD

[gentle rose]

I am somehow stuck on naming this

SDVTilesheetUtil has too many letters I don't like it

STUFF - stardew tilesheet util framework fotherword /lh

[merry river]

friend

for the last word

it's your friend

[hard fern]

stuff....

[lucid mulch]

Alliterations are fun and I highly recommend them

[gentle rose]

Tilesheet Toolbox?

Tiled Tilesheet Toolbox for stardew

[hard fern]

Tiled Tilesheet Toolbox to Tile your Tilesheets

[lucid mulch]

TTTTT is much more appealing than STUFF

[brave fable]

ttttt makes me a little ill

[stray hemlock]

Stardew Helper for Incredible Tiles?

[hard fern]

SHIT

[brave fable]

how do you pronounce that