making-mods-general

[lucid iron]

To double check that it's true

Also trying having the qualifier on ItemId (so (O) in front if object)

[rotund egret]

It worked when I copied and pasted the entirety of "Items" with this one entry added at the end.

I know I have this event marked as seen.

[rotund egret]

Didn't work.

Any other ideas?

[lucid iron]

Did you check the Condition as instructed

It's just gonna say if that GSQ eval as true or false

If the gsq is True, then the next thing to do is patch export Data/Shops

[rotund egret]

It's true, step 2 done as well. It's not there.

[uncut viper]

did you Include this file?

[rotund egret]

Yep.

[uncut viper]

can you send the json with the include and this json via the smapi validator?

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[rotund egret]

I'm using the JSONLint validator each time something doesn't work. Both JSONs are valid.

[uncut viper]

okay, can you please send the json with the include and that json via the smapi validator?

its for us to be able to read it as much as it is for your own validation

[rotund egret]

Okay, sorry. I can't read apparently.

[uncut viper]

it'll change the url to a link you can send here

[rotund egret]

Give me a moment.

Thank you for showing me this one, it found an additional "s" in one of the fields.

I'll try now and tell you what happens.

[uncut viper]

oh, TargetFields vs TargetField, yeah thatd do it

[rotund egret]

Makes sense since I initially used Fields.

[soft lance]

Hellloo

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Gift_taste_data

I saw this, but I was wondering, is there a way that we can just have a Love, Like, etc fields and just put the characters names in? I dont want to add custom text/responses for any gifts, or duplicate vanilla texts, at all. Is there a way?

From what the Wiki states, it doesn't seem possible, however, was just wondering! ^^

[uncut viper]

the format on the wiki is the format you must use for gift tastes

[soft lance]

Does anyone else know a possible way?

[obtuse wigeon]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, could it point to the vanilla gift taste localised strings if you just want the default ones? I doesn't solve your issues entirely, but it does mean no translation needs to be done for them making it quite a bit easier? (and maybe copy pasteable)

[dusky sail]

are you adding gift tastes to a new npc or vanilla npcs

[soft lance]

Vanilla NPCs! ^^ Just for some new items I have

[dusky sail]

then it's different from the wiki hold on

[soft lance]

Alrightyy

[dusky sail]

wiki is correct for gift tastes for a new npc by the way. just adding onto vanilla npcs without editing their stuff takes a different route

text operations...

[soft lance]

You think it's possibly too difficult maybe?

[uncut viper]

textoperations literally must still follow the gift taste format

[rotund egret]

Yep, that was it. Thanks for help!

[uncut viper]

editing individual fields doesnt change the fact that you still need to adhere to the format

[dusky sail]

well yeah. but the wiki not having an example of how it would be edited with text operations is whats causing confusion here i think

its editing fields within the format vs writing the entire format

[dusky sail]

its not too difficult. you gotta understand the format on the wiki to know what youre editing. and then use said text operations to edit it. but once you know the pattern its as easy as any other json

and its text operations because you wanna add onto the list of items instead of replacing it. otherwise its really similar to any other nested data replacement

[soft lance]

Ahh I see. Didn't see many examples as to what I was going to try to do, for now I'll put it to the side since the wiki doesn't have too much info (at least what I can understand) for now

Because I'm practically pretty new, lol

So what you are telling me is like foreign language

Or, could just be the code verbiage, likely, but I'll eventually learn

[dusky sail]

im not sure if im using the right words half the time. i just know that this is possible and the wiki doesnt have a listed example is the gist of my knowledge

[soft lance]

Understandable, and thank you for telling me also

[dusky sail]

im also sorry for speaking out of turn, button. i just saw confusion happening and wanted to clear it up but i fear i made it worse

[soft lance]

I notice some people, not many but some do only point to Wikis, more of the seasoned developers here, and I get that many are used to hearing it all the time, and wanting to point to a wiki so that they don't have to keep re-explaning. However, we get many new programmers, and sometimes, Wikis are both overwhelming, and complicated to new people. We don't have YouTube tutorials either (Stardew gets many changes, so videos would go out of date, so that's why we don't got too many)

So, a lot of them would often need explaining, and sometimes others who have been in this field for a while start to become out-of-touch with explaining it from a very newbie-friendly level, because they pick up more coding-related verbiage, tactics, and develop a more wide understanding of what is what, and hands-on experience, or some just are tired of it, which is understandable, to a degree.

What you said isn't causing any confusion, and if it did, totally fine, as we're all learning here! And, if I may ask, what are these text operations? Is this some verbiage for a string for a specific context?

[dusky sail]

well the wiki is full of very useful information. its just knowing how to read that info that often catches newbies

[soft lance]

Absolutely, though, it does contain sometimes no usage examples, which becomes a bit trickier, and usually this is where you ask

So, wiki's cannot fully explore everything, it would be very hard to cover all of that in one site altogether

And, verbiage does often take time to catch on ,as well as code structures, patches, etc

[stray hemlock]

I might be wrong, but this might work (I haven't tested it):

{
   "Action": "EditData",
   "Target": "Data/NPCGiftTastes",
   "TextOperations": [
      {
         "Operation": "Append",
         "Target": ["Fields", "Robin", 1],
         "Value": "308",
         "Delimiter": " "
      }
   ]
}

Assuming I interpret "The key for each field is the field index (starting at zero) for a slash-delimited string" correctly.

This adds Void Mayonnaise as a loved gift for Robin.

If it works.

[uncut viper]

the wiki for the vast majority of its pages does not provide examples on how to do content patcher edits to things because it is not a content patcher wiki. its a general purpose wiki for documenting game information that is applicable to all mods and frameworks and not just content patcher

[obtuse wigeon]

Both the regular wiki and the modding wiki is written with thought for beginners and newbies, tools to help write mods are also given free of charge like the json and manifest validators on smapi.io, the docs for content patcher are also written with beginners in mind, these are the reasons people send others to the wiki, they are there to replace explaining things, while here it's for questions when you get stuck and have exhausted to resources already available.
Most mods are almost always made because it's a hobby, explaining the same principles over and over and over takes the fun out of the hobby and really tires people out, this is by far one of the easiest games to mod because of the community but expecting anyone to drop things to just to personally see to someone instead of that someone reading the wiki is taking advantage of the generosity of the community

[gentle rose]

I think assuming people are owed having a tailored explanation in the first place but saying "some people are burnt out and that's fine" is the problem here

this hobbyist community already spends so much time teaching and writing resources, a wiki to allow people not to spend even more time repeating themselves is the best possible solution, and the fair response to the amount of effort people put into creating resources is to put effort into trying to read them and then asking for help about things that are still unclear.

oh, and not thumbs down reacting the messages of those trying to help you.

[stray hemlock]

I don't really know why the wiki is the recommended way to learn. The docs help much more, in my experience.
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md

[uncut viper]

because as just mentioned, those are content patcher docs. the stardew valley wiki is not a content patcher wiki

content patcher is just a mod

[stray hemlock]

Yeah, true.

[gentle rose]

we regularly refer to those too though! depending on the help people need

[uncut viper]

if you want to know how to make edits to something with content patcher, you look at the content patcher docs or the stardewmodding.wiki.gg if they have a tutorial for it. if you want to know the format of what you're editing and what the data even looks like, you look at the stardew wiki

the content patcher docs arent going to tell you how gift taste data is formatted. but it will tell you how to edit the asset that holds that data

[gentle rose]

generally,

game information and basic getting started info: base wiki
framework usage information: framework docs
tailored tutorials combining multiple sources of information and specific examples: modding wiki

everything has a place where it best belongs

[stray hemlock]

Useless hallucinations that have absolutely no learning effect: AI

[gentle rose]

absolutely

[humble timber]

hey now ai doesnt hallucinate. it just always gives an answer whether right or wrong

[uncut viper]

(and as always its good to remember that "framework usage/framework docs" includes content patcher bc it is, after all, just a framework. its an important framework, but still a framework)

[stray hemlock]

AI is a perfect example of the Chinese Room metaphor.

[humble timber]

shoutout framework docs forreal

[soft lance]

50/50 gamble on a right or wrong answer, and if its about data that isnt readily available, or a bit complicated, then your going to receive a hallucination of what the AI wished it was, rather than what it is

[gentle rose]

I could make a content patcher competitor right now. I could even bring back the yaml one

[uncut viper]

wasnt the yaml one just an addon?

i thought it still handed control over to actual content patcher

[gentle rose]

no clue, I wasn't born yet back then

[obtuse wigeon]

ooo yaml 👀

[soft lance]

Iro Patcher

[humble timber]

AI doesn't think tho. so it can't hallucinate. (i just have beef with people saying it hallucinates bc it doesnt... lmao)

[uncut viper]

yeah it just makes CP support yaml afaik. neat project

[humble timber]

what is yaml

[gentle rose]

anything I make would make you grateful that the wiki and content patcher docs are as detailed as they are lmao

[uncut viper]

json but different

[digital herald]

i was thinking of yaml

[stray hemlock]

It's more or less a name based on observation, not on analysis.

[uncut viper]

just another way to format your data

[stray hemlock]

I want a version of SMAPI that supports mods written in Brainf*ck.

[spiral lion]

yes please! 🙂

[soft lance]

Fortran please

[digital herald]

It is as hard as json, just less wiggle brackets

[wind raft]

Omg I finally married Harvey

[humble timber]

i really need to note down what frameworks my expansion is gonna need...

[gentle rose]

hallucinate is just a term that was adopted for when ai gives completely untrue information that wasn't even in its training, it isn't to say it's literally hallucinating because even if it could think that wouldn't make sense

[obtuse wigeon]

(YAML is designed for Human Machine communication where as JSON is primary designed for Machine Machine communication while still be human readable right?)

[spiral lion]

Hello, again!!
Does anyone know how "Lance Scheduele" item is coded? 🙂

[uncut viper]

JSON:

{
  "Format": "2.8.0",
  "Changes": [
    {
      "Action": "Load",
    }
  ]
}

YAML:

Format: 2.8.0
Changes:
- Action: Load
 ...

[humble timber]

yeah i know i just dont like it fair enough

[lucid iron]

What about toml

[stray hemlock]

Yeah, but unfortunately, they made it too much for humans which is why you now have the Norway issue.

[gentle rose]

I don't think so? json is just javascript objects as a markup language

[gentle rose]

Norway issue?

[gentle rose]

[wind raft]

Wait guys I have a question

I’m a newbie to SDV(kinda), I started playing in 2017, but wasn’t serious.

So what do I do if I have one ancient seed and one star fruit, how do I produce more?

[uncut viper]

json afaik was designed for human readable data that can be transferred between computers

[obtuse wigeon]

That's what the manifest is for /lh, Honestly I just toss any likely dependencies I need in there then remove them when I figure out I no longer need it

[uncut viper]

you are in the wrong channel my friend, this channel is for making mods for the game

[stray hemlock]

countries:
- GB
- IE
- FR
- DE
- NO

NO will be parsed as a boolean false.

[wind raft]

Oh sorry 😭

Let me find where to type then

[obtuse wigeon]

#modded-stardew (if it's mod related) or #stardew-valley (vanilla realted) may be the better place to ask

[gentle rose]

#stardew-valley dw, you'll get better answers here

[uncut viper]

you probably want uhh. whats it called. i actually dont know whqat the right channel is named sorry-

[gentle rose]

yet another reason to throw yaml away

[uncut viper]

(i have every channel except the modding category and #modded-stardew muted/hidden...)

[lucid iron]

Format = "2.8.0"

[[Changes]]
Action = "Load"

[[Changes]]
Action = "EditImage"

I hate it i think

[gentle rose]

I know I hate it

[obtuse wigeon]

That's amazing XD

[obtuse wigeon]

I don't hate it, but I also don't enjoy it XD

[uncut viper]

on the other hand, it'd make it a lot harder for people to do the classic "put a patch outside their changes block" error

[gentle rose]

it will introduce some fun new errors instead

[uncut viper]

i think that could actually be a pretty good format for new modders tbh

[humble timber]

Lmao fair enough i guess but also i am not gonna be looking there often enough to remember what i threw in there

[brittle pasture]

indentation as syntax still feels wrong to me even if it's more Intuitive to the average newbie

[stray hemlock]

Is there something like JSON but pythonic? Like, no {}?

And not YAML?

[obtuse wigeon]

Python

[gentle rose]

toml like chu said maybe?

[obtuse wigeon]

you never said it had to be supported by SMAPI

[lucid iron]

Tbl toml would be good if cp had like

Separate lists of actions

[uncut viper]

like instead of everything in [[Changes]] itd be like [[EditData]], [[Load]], etc?

[gentle rose]

oooo someone made PON (python object notation). terrible

[brittle pasture]

TOML doesnt use indent for nesting, that alone makes it less Pythonic than YAML

[lucid iron]

Format = "2.8.0"

[[Load]]
Target = "blahblah"

[[EditImage]]
Target = "LooseSprites/Cursors"

Imagine

[uncut viper]

theres somethin there i think

i dont wanna make TOML Adapter tho

abandon DISCO and switch to TOMLCP please chu

[dusky sail]

Please dont make me learn a new format im barely getting by as it is 🙏 /silly

[uncut viper]

thanks

[lucid iron]

But you can also be a crime lord and serde via python str() and ast.literal_eval

[gentle rose]

they said no yaml!

[stray hemlock]

To really throw newbies off we'd need to force them to use Vim.

[uncut viper]

any comments, selph?

[stray hemlock]

Let's trap them forever without exit.

[lucid iron]

Anyways my next project will be Parquet for Content Patcher

[uncut viper]

is that a bird

[lucid iron]

Big Data is the future past

[brittle pasture]

uh I'm on my toilet and was switching between discord and brainrot videos every 5 second what do you want my comment on

[ornate locust]

Take it back to my Petz days, somehow force people to hex edit Stardew

[uncut viper]

#making-mods-general message

[gentle rose]

-# we can barely get people not to use notepad. I'm just waiting for our first docx

[lucid iron]

https://parquet.apache.org

[brittle pasture]

100% yes
I use Vim btw

[humble timber]

im sorry WHAT

[gentle rose]

hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it will

[humble timber]

have yall seriously gotten people using google docs or some shit in here lmao

[obtuse wigeon]

Thank you, I was thinking you meant the flooring and was very confused as to why you would be doing a predonimantly CP mod XD

[dusky sail]

If microsoft office weren't a paid service id take "write a mod in word" as a challenge

[brittle pasture]

we had someone inadvertently post rtf text before

[gentle rose]

what even supports rtf nowadays

[lucid iron]

Doesn't every text editor that's not notepad do

[uncut viper]

reset terrain features? its on github

[lucid iron]

I have no clue how rtf software devs put comments

[stray hemlock]

Help, why does my mod not work qq

[lucid iron]

Perish.

[gentle rose]

70kb, could very well be an empty docx

[uncut viper]

it aint

i feel like you're doing your event handlers way incorrectly

[gentle rose]

or isn't it? only one way to find out

[humble timber]

BANNED.

[obtuse wigeon]

I have many words.....

[uncut viper]

we're finding out in real time how many of us would unintentionally open malware if we thought it was just part of the bit

[obtuse wigeon]

I had to open a new google docs file to open it, || so much effort for THAT || XD

[soft lance]

YOU. HAHAH

[gentle rose]

I open malware intentionally thank you very much. I have very little self preservation

[obtuse wigeon]

It is wholy an issue XD

[stray hemlock]

Nooooo, you spoiled it!!!

[brittle pasture]

I clicked the link without thinking because I know I would be safe ||I use Linux btw||

[soft lance]

||I use arch, btw||

[uncut viper]

are you one of those weirdos who runs kali linux

(/lh)

[stray hemlock]

I switched to Artix because I hate systemd

And then bricked my system.

[humble timber]

i need to switch to linux but my art programs ..... agony

[soft lance]

That's fun!

Let's compile Gentoo!

[obtuse wigeon]

soon Affinity will work! I can't promise how soon, but still SOON!

[soft lance]

Hmm, some may run via Wine/Proton, though I think there may be alternatives...I think (dont quote me on it!!)

[stray hemlock]

I mean, I make all my stuff in Gimp, so...

[gentle rose]

yeah. I'm a Hacker which means I run Kali of course (this is all a joke please don't run Kali as your daily driver)

[brittle pasture]

ah Kali Linux, whose userbase consists of 5% actual pen testers and 95% kids who want an xtreme hackerz distro

[soft lance]

Affinity is coming to Linux!?

[gentle rose]

5% seems way too high

[humble timber]

i have unfortunately never seen a single person successfully use wine for live2d specifically so i'm wary

[soft lance]

Lol that is very true, most who settle r on Mint/Debian/Ubuntu, Kali is horrid to main imo, pentesting is like Black Arch, Kali Linux, and Parrot OS

[obtuse wigeon]

not officially, but making it free has helped the Affinity on Linux community group get it working

[soft lance]

ahh, yeah maeks sense, some things r very hard

[lucid iron]

If u can learn krita on windows

[humble timber]

granted thats mostly just bc nobody even bothers trying

[lucid iron]

Then u can switch

[obtuse wigeon]

some people have affinity working great, others like me have a few issues, I think my issues have been solved I just haven't tried installing it again

[uncut viper]

as a more on topic aside, i am once again faced with my worst rival: mod page thumbnail...

[humble timber]

rip

so real tho

[lucid iron]

Imagine putting anything other than the One True Emotr

[gentle rose]

you aren't meant to main Kali, it's meant to be run from external media and regularly wiped

[lucid iron]

[gentle rose]

can I make it

[brittle pasture]

when in doubt I grab random sdv sprites and put glowing red eyes on it

[uncut viper]

all of modern technology and science still has not figured out the best way to design a thumbnail for a framework that doesnt add its own content

[gentle rose]

I just need the name

[lucid iron]

Add hy default then

[uncut viper]

you can try but only if you dont take it personally if i use one i make as the primary

[uncut viper]

(Frameworked Emotions Mod)

[gentle rose]

I will take it VERY personally. because I'm going to make it using my bespoke lizard sprite

[lucid iron]

Button does that mean u need ur own map stuff framework now

[gentle rose]

(/lh to all of this)

[lucid iron]

MASC

[brittle pasture]

in that case demetrium's presence is mandatory

[gentle rose]

Map Action Spiderbuttons Cacaw

[uncut viper]

i do not want anything to do with anything MASC

[soft lance]

Is Affinity coming to Windows 95?

wondering so I can daily drive it on 95

[uncut viper]

the framework technically supports lizards if you somehow find a way to apply my function to a lizard Character

[soft lance]

L O L

[soft lance]

the pixelation feels like a minecraft server pfp

[uncut viper]

maybe i dont know enough about event commands to know if thats actually possible

[gentle rose]

no the lizard is the emote.

[lucid iron]

Everyone's a Character in an event

Although

Can u emote on temp actors like horse

[uncut viper]

thats what i mean, i know everyone is a Character, just dont know if non-NPCs or farmers can actually be targeted

despite that i copied the appropriate offsets for Childs and Pets anyway 🤷‍♀️

[lucid iron]

Well I think children can do emote cus they go when u pet them

[uncut viper]

i know they can emote. i dont know how you target a child in an event to make them emote

i just copied the vanilla Emote command basically 1:1

[lucid iron]

I think u use the literal player given name but

Child can only be in a event in festivals i thought

[karmic gust]

If I want a conversation topic to begin on a specific day of the year I would use the DayStarted trigger, right?

[lucid iron]

When i tried to add a Child to event through spaget they move around very fast

And also stop moving for reasons

[uncut viper]

sounds like real children

[uncut viper]

yeah

[karmic gust]

Ty!

[uncut viper]

with an appropriate GSQ condition

[karmic gust]

GSQ instead of When?

[uncut viper]

yes, absolutely

[lucid iron]

Anyways i decided to not do the Child in event spaget in my kids mod so ur demetriums framework is safe from me

[karmic gust]

Okay, thank you (again) 😅

[pulsar tangle]

Hey guys, I'm making a custom NPC and I'm trying out all the different data features that are possible for their disposition. HOWEVER, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get "SpouseFloors" and "SpouseWallpapers" working! The wiki suggests that this feature would allow my NPC to randomly plaster wallpaper and flooring in the farmhouse, but I can't find any information anywhere on how to select which wallpapers/flooring. Can anyone help a poor soul? It's very important for my health that my NPC spams the skeleton wallpaper everywhere.

[uncut viper]

my framework would handle it if you got them in the event!

[lucid iron]

I don't think that's dehardcoded yet is it?

[uncut viper]

spousefloors and spousewallpapers are lists of floor/wallpaper IDs respectively

[wind raft]

Can you get mods on a switch?

Or no

[obtuse wigeon]

No

is the short answer

[uncut viper]

short answer: no
long answer: very slightly technically yes, but pretty much no

[obtuse wigeon]

nooooooo is the long answer and it has caveats

[uncut viper]

i think you just do this:

"SpouseWallpapers": [
  "PutTheSkeletonWallpaperIdHere"
],

i dont know if they need to be qualified or unqualified

[pulsar tangle]

Thank you, I will try it >:) Absolutely no clue how to test if it works, but I will definately try it

[wind raft]

[uncut viper]

i only know of one person who has modded the switch and it was very incredibly limited, basically just to the most basic of xnb mods iirc

[lucid iron]

Are you perhaps looking for #modded-stardew

[wind raft]

😭

[brittle pasture]

speaking of Switch mods I wonder if Valve's upcoming thing of running x86 executables on ARM might allow for a very scuffed version of SMAPI running on Linux for Switch

[wind raft]

I wish I knew what this meant 😭

[uncut viper]

chu is right that modded-stardew would be the right place to go for switch mods, but unfortunately there just aint any

[lucid iron]

I think this is still under the technically yes but no bucket

[brittle pasture]

like Valve is confident enough the Frame has enough horsepower to run some games standalone despite the ARM translation

[lucid iron]

But hey the 6 modded switch sdv 1.5.4 players can finally try 1.6

[humble timber]

im tempted to tell my cousin about how to mod sdv on the switch since he has one that can be modded. just to see how incredibly scuffed it gets. lol

[brittle pasture]

6 might be generous, probably just 2: Pillow and Pillow's other device

[humble timber]

LMAO

[wind raft]

I wish I could mod my switch SDV farm

Bc they’re all so cute

[humble timber]

just abandon switch like i did

[wind raft]

I’ll find my way to make my farm cute without mods 😼

[uncut viper]

i recall one other person a long time ago coming in here with some very scuffed looking json or something that turned out to be switch modding stuff I think

[wind raft]

😰

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh wait they're doing full ARM translation and not just asking people to port games? cool!

[wind raft]

Omg

[lucid iron]

Yeah tbh if u have a PC just buy the game there

[brittle pasture]

I recall it was a map dumping thing

[wind raft]

😰

[stray hemlock]

Android works kinda as well (but only kinda).

[brittle pasture]

if Apple can barely ask a couple devs to release their games on ARM no way Valve can get anyone to be on board (they have enough trouble begging people to just port to Linux before Proton was a thing)
(granted the issue is just as much on Apple's near total apathy on making mac a viable gaming platform)

[obtuse wigeon]

ye I was gunna say apple isn't the most friendly to devs either XD, I very much like how Valve has handled the making of compat layers (this is offtopic now so I will probs move else where if it continues XD)

[lucid iron]

Bless every game dev that gib native linux build

Even with proton being a thing now

[soft lance]

stardew is one of them and i am very impressed

[hollow root]

I can’t use Linux because I’m a music producer and FL Studio does not play nice with it, otherwise I’d make the switch immediately

[iron ridge]

oh that's fun there's a person doing switch celeste modding

and has gotten further than me with sdv

[stray hemlock]

Reaper works, but I think that's more for recording.

[pulsar tangle]

LMMS also works for linux

[humble timber]

time to switch to ableton (i dont even know if ableton is linux friendly lmao. i just know my brother used fl for years before switching and never regretted it)

[stray hemlock]

The big issue is that plug-ins often aren't compatible either.

[humble timber]

eugh yeah

[tiny zealot]

(ableton is not linux friendly)

[humble timber]

rip.

digital artists 🤝 music producers
Please Just Make Shit Work On Linux

[tiny zealot]

it is, perhaps not surprisingly, tricky to do

[humble timber]

yeah

[lucid iron]

I have given up making gmcm close itself so my next plan is draw black box over it

[blissful panther]

(https://www.bitwig.com does work nicely on Linux. Only problem is the supply of third party VSTs and VSTis is... worse.)

REAPER, too.

[pulsar tangle]

Alright so, my poor testing farmer just slept through an entire year with no luck doing this 😔✊ But thanks anyway!

That is, assuming i got the wallpaperid correct, i put it as 47

[soft lance]

I know this is an older message, though, when we were mentioning gift tastes, does Stardew Valley Expanded achieve what I was trying to achieve?

This (from my limited knowledge of modding) appears to be telling the vanilla NPC if it likes it or not without adding custom dialogue? I assume its going to a fallback dialogue of liking the item, just checking if this seems like it's related! ^^

[gentle rose]

which part are you having trouble figuring out? /gen

in terms of reading this

[soft lance]

Was wondering earlier on how I can add Liked/Dislikes items for NPCs, without creating fully new dialogues for every single character

And from reading on SVE, this seems to be an attempt they made

Though, i was just checking if that looked right or if I wasnt reeading it right lol

[gentle rose]

right, I'm asking what about the SVE code you weren't sure about so I can direct you to the correct place

[soft lance]

Ahh, was just wondering if this was how you can add in Liked/Dislike itself for vanilla NPCs without adding custom dialogues for every single item

since i was gonna do the same for my mod

[stray hemlock]

This is what I suggested earlier. Apparently it works like that.

[soft lance]

Yee, just didn't know how to implement it originally, I think I got the jift now on it! : )

[gentle rose]

well without reading through it in detail, this seems like a text operation on the NPCGiftTastes asset. in terms of what exactly it's achieving, your best bet is to consult the wiki and content patcher docs to see if it's editing what you think it is, since just copying it without understanding is likely to go wrong

[stray hemlock]

This

[soft lance]

brah i didnt even see that

totally my bad

i'll read that and then try it

ty serenity! and sorry for not catching that earlier

[soft lance]

alrighty

[stray hemlock]

"Robin" is the name of the character, 1 is the category (loved gifts) and "308" is the item ID.

At home I can look up the numbers for other categories.

[merry river]

here i am again, having questions about questions.
which of the question commands do I use in the event script if I want to make something like this:

question
a) selection A -> leads to answer from NPC -> you return to the question "menu" to select another option
b) selection B -> see above
c) selection C -> continues event

basically I want to loop back to the question until the player chooses the option to continue with the event

[urban patrol]

(obligatory mention that all of these will be replaced with GOTO in 1.7, whenever that occurs) i find that using quickQuestion in conjunction with switchEvent is most easily understandable at a glance! you just have to make sure that your first command in the switched-to-event is pause 1 to prevent things like infinite dialogue. if you want a (more complicated) example, i have an event sort of like that you could look at

[merry river]

Oh, if you have an example I can look at I'd appreciate if you sent it to me!

[urban patrol]

https://pastebin.com/5AMD0ASF here you go; i isolated it for you because my events.json is disgustingly long

[uncut viper]

try qualifying the id maybe? unfortunately i dont know the qualifier off the top of my head... (WP) maybe? so (WP)47

[urban patrol]

in this case i have multiple forks, with two different outcomes, but yours would be much simpler (probably three? two of which lead back to the third, the third of which ends the event)

[merry river]

thank you so much, I'll take a look at it!!

[urban patrol]

actually screw my example i found a perfect template on the modding wiki

  "LogName": "ALWAYS PUT YOUR LOGNAMES, ALWAYS.",
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "data/events/Farm",
  "Entries": {
    "{{ModId}}_Heart0/": "continue/64 15/farmer 64 15 2/pause 300/switchEvent {{ModId}}_Looping",

    "{{ModId}}_Looping": "pause 300/quickQuestion {{i18n:3QKEY}}(break)switchEvent {{ModId}}_Answer1(break)switchEvent {{ModId}}_Answer2(break)switchEvent {{ModId}}_Answer3",

    "{{ModId}}_Answer1": "pause 300/message \"{{i18n:Speak}}\"/pause 300/switchEvent {{ModId}}_Looping",

    "{{ModId}}_Answer2": "pause 300/message \"{{i18n:Hear}}\"/pause 300/switchEvent {{ModId}}_Looping",

    "{{ModId}}_Answer3": "pause 300/end",
  } //close your entries
} //close your editdata```

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Final_Boss_of_Events#quickQuestion_Loops,_the_loops,_brother!

[merry river]

oh!! thanks for pointing this out to me, you're truly the mvp of my mod making progress

[urban patrol]

i stand only on the shoulders of mod authors who came before me lol. good luck!

[stray hemlock]

I really find the expression "to stand on the shoulders of somebody" weird, because if I imagine somebody standing on my shoulders it doesn't feel like they're paying respect to me.

[ornate locust]

It's to "stand on the shoulders of giants", therefore becoming super tall despite your relative-to-a-giant modest height.

so you reach a great height because of the contribution of others

[urban patrol]

i never knew that was the etymology of it! i always imagined it like this:

where the sum of the whole is greater than the parts

[ornate locust]

"if I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants"

Newton coined it

[blissful panther]

(Meanwhile, we do all of our science from scratch.)

[ornate locust]

The "giants" bit is where the respect is, it's saying that others had bigger contributions than you.

[stray hemlock]

Yeah, I know that, but it's still kinda weird.

[urban patrol]

it's just a metaphor haha

[stray hemlock]

Metaphors are weird.

[ornate locust]

good conversation killer.

[tardy shadow]

What is the best programming framework for stardew valley script mod? Is Model Views Presenter framework good?

[urban patrol]

i've never heard of model views presenter. what framework you use depends on what you want the mod to do, though. if you explain your idea we may be able to recommend something

[ornate locust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model–view–presenter this is all I got

[blissful panther]

It's definitely not that for SMAPI mods. The general flow is:

• SMAPI loads all C# mods, and calls their Entry() methods.
• SMAPI provides various events you can register callbacks for.
• SMAPI calls these when relevant, and either in the Entry() method or in those callbacks are 100% where your mod code happens.

A little caveat being that you can Harmony patch other methods, and those obviously run outside of any of those as/when they should.

[tardy shadow]

Yeah that is. Idk what is that usually called. Maybe framework, design pattern, etc. But the purpose mostly to make your code to be more easy to scale it and modify it.

[blissful panther]

Best practice is to stick to SMAPI's events where possible. Outside of that, you can apply whatever patterns fit.

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Events

[tight rivet]

you can generally get by without any design patterns

unless what you'er doing is very complex

[stray hemlock]

I gotta be honest, I have absolutely no idea what the difference is between MVP, MVC and MVVM.

[tight rivet]

they are all designed to hurt you [/runs]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2056/what-are-mvp-and-mvc-and-what-is-the-difference

It doesn't quite explain MVVM ( https://stackoverflow.com/questions/667781/what-is-the-difference-between-mvc-and-mvvm ) does though

[stray hemlock]

This is great for the first two: https://stackoverflow.com/a/25816573

[stray hemlock]

Thank you really much!

If you put ten software architects into a room and have them discuss what the Model-View-Controller pattern is, you will end up with twelve different opinions.

[grand badge]

hi my mod for replacing the galaxysword and infinity blade didnt seem to work could someone check my code for me?

ok idk what this means

[urban patrol]

that means you have a ` somewhere you shouldn't

at the beginning of the file it looks like

[grand badge]

the json part?

[obtuse wigeon]

Remove the ```json part

[grand badge]

ok thanks

[urban patrol]

and at the end too

[obtuse wigeon]

that's only for discord when pasting json stuff, it highlights with the correct syntax

[grand badge]

that didnt work hmm

https://smapi.io/json/manifest/816135678f914479ae61170c427e3457

[urban patrol]

you just have it set to manifest

[grand badge]

manifest is a seperate file

[urban patrol]

set it to content patcher

[grand badge]

ok

nothing is wrong here so why doesnt it work

[urban patrol]

!log can you please share a log after you load a save

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[grand badge]

ok

https://smapi.io/log/806c61b70a604ece8c116c7a52ab2b41

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 2 C# mods and 0 content packs.

[obtuse wigeon]

It doesn't show your mod in the log, have you got it in the mod folder?

[grand badge]

yes

[obtuse wigeon]

you also need the content patcher mod, I don't see that in there either

[brave fable]

padding out your TLA with the word 'mod' how uninspired

[urban patrol]

is your SMAPI in the correct location?

[obtuse wigeon]

is it enabled in Stardrop?

[grand badge]

i mean i dont use stardrop

[urban patrol]

your log says that no mods were loaded besides the ones that are bundled with SMAPI

[obtuse wigeon]

Then SMAPI is launching with mods in the wrong place, right now it's looking for \AppData\Roaming\Stardrop\Data\Selected Mods and not Stardew Valley/Mods

[grand badge]

oh shoot

havent used my pc stardew save in a year

[lucid iron]

does Saving/Saved only run on the main player

[grand badge]

https://smapi.io/log/39361c604c8a411f9ef606c2a631e1a7

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 2 C# mods and 0 content packs.

[obtuse wigeon]

It's still not loading with all your mods, it is looking in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Stardew Valley\Mods now though

[grand badge]

before you ask i used an old save since it was the only one that had the galaxy sword

[grand badge]

dah

[obtuse wigeon]

Whats the full path of your mods folder? (you can click on the top bar in the file explorer to show the full path, then copy and paste it here)

[grand badge]

ok now i got it

https://smapi.io/log/3771aff31a1248c09d9be6a043116a0c

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 2 C# mods and 0 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[obtuse wigeon]

Now they aren't loading because theres multiple copies of the mods in your Mods folder

[grand badge]

ok lemme fix this

[royal stump]

afaik those happen for everyone, so check IsMainPlayer if needed
https://www.stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Events#GameLoop.Saving

[grand badge]

ok all my other mods worked but my one this time

i can tell cause my player was miku this time

https://smapi.io/log/742450ba94d54111b5d7e590237a6512

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 20 C# mods and 18 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[grand badge]

please let this be the last one

[urban patrol]

can you show us your manifest using smapi.io? it says it has errors and thus can't load

[grand badge]

sure

https://smapi.io/json/manifest/5e5ea5fd44f7469a80c365d109184e81

[obtuse wigeon]

You're missing a } at the very end of the manifest

[urban patrol]

you need to close the whole thing with }. also, before you upload this to nexus, the format for the update key is incorrect

but that can come later

[grand badge]

woohoo there we go

[grand badge]

what do i fix for the update key?

[urban patrol]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/APIs/Update_checks format it like this

[grand badge]

whats the nexus part mean

like mod name or?

[urban patrol]

no literally exactly like that, but replace the number with your unique number from you nexus mod page

[uncut viper]

i have no idea what TLA means but i wanted the acronym to be FEM so i had no choice

[hallow prism]

three letters acronyms?

[iron ridge]

Totally literate aliens

[gentle rose]

Terms and License Agreements

[brave fable]

[uncut viper]

i don't think it counts as padding a TLA with it if it's not a TLA until l do it

[brave fable]

well as far as i know there's no word for a backronym that's specifically trying to make it a tla

[uncut viper]

just called a backronym with a goal innit

you're gonna hate my eventual RTF replacement mod then

[brave fable]

surely we can do better than Monsters The Framework

nevermind. maybe we can't

[uncut viper]

(it'll be four letters though)

[drowsy pewter]

does anyone have any ideas about how to get a foraged item to stop having quality or quantity modifiers on it

[astral crater]

Do anyone know a mod that doesn't skip the fishing mini game

But like it beats it

[brave fable]

hi, try asking in #modded-stardew ☀️

[hard fern]

Uh wrong place

[astral crater]

Whoops

I can't read 😭😭

[hard fern]

We make mods here, we don't play the game XD

[astral crater]

😂😂

[drowsy pewter]

i mean, i guess its good news when my top most reported bug is an extremely minor thing that no content pack modder can do anything about

[tiny zealot]

my only idea without looking anything up is harmony bullshit, but i doubt that's helpful

[obtuse wigeon]

It's usually the case XD (also "cornucopia stardew" is the 3rd most searched result after inputting cornucopia into google, a whopping 3 places above the actual "cornucopia horn" search)

[drowsy pewter]

damn right

[tiny zealot]

like i think quartz and so on used to be able to have quality and it got turned off, so there's probably some function that's like "if quartz, remove quality on pickup", so i imagine you could hook into that and just add your thing to it (the aforementioned bullshit)

[obtuse wigeon]

Out populared the item that's a major marketing peice, that's how you know you've made it XD

[brave fable]

alas personalised search results, cornucopia the sdv mod is only on page 4 of my google results

[drowsy pewter]

where does the cornucopia game come in

[brave fable]

and even then only the wiki, nexusmods nowhere to be seen

[obtuse wigeon]

ahh damn I forgot they were personalised

[obtuse wigeon]

4th, first was hunger games, second was fruit of the loom

[brave fable]

you've got to somehow beat out björk and a lot of historic precedent if you want top billing

[obtuse wigeon]

beating bjork would have to be a feat and a half XD

[hard fern]

First result

[uncut viper]

you could technically do it with BETAS but the reason i didnt say so to begin with is bc its a horrible idea to do it with BETAS. but you could.

itd just involve scanning every single item in the world every time you forage a whateveritis

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh wow that certainly is a horrible idea (no hate towards BETAS I promise)

[uncut viper]

why would i take it as hate, its very much not the sorta thing the traction in question is meant for

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm tired and don't have the abilities of a wordsmith and defo didn't want it to come across as hate thats all

[drowsy pewter]

i half considered removing and then readding the item on forage pickup but you might be talking about refreshing object quality data when picked up

Because if so I will do that

[uncut viper]

yeah, the uhh ReloadItemField traction

if you're fine with the potential lag that comes with. i guess its not so bad if you check if the item actually has a bigger stack or quality first

this is assuming you want no instance of this object in the world, anywhere, to ever have quality or stack size

[brave fable]

so what is the actual issue with having foraged items picked up with an added quality or quantity

[drowsy pewter]

I can check for quality when picked up; not totally sure yet about checking for item stack size in case the player has more than one in their inventory already. BUT it would be helpful for another item which should only be able to be obtained once (but people keep reporting it as a bug).

The player is able to obtain up to 40 of these, about two or three per week

[uncut viper]

definitely dont reload the stack size then

since it doesnt only work on the players inventory

it looks literally everywhere in the world in every chest, every inventory, every fridge, even your horses hats if necessary

you'd be resetting any saved up stacks to 1

[drowsy pewter]

bug reports is the issue. not really a big deal

Theres another quest item which the player is only supposed to obtain one of though, so people keep getting duplicates of it when foraged

[brave fable]

well surely there's an issue being reported in the bug report

[drowsy pewter]

the player would likely use them right away, but I agree I wont edit the stack size

just immersion i guess

[uncut viper]

honestly it might just be better to remove the item and regive it tbh

[drowsy pewter]

I think that would make two popup boxes

[brave fable]

it's not unheard of in the base game to have multiple of linus' berry baskets, i'd just accept it as a quirk of the game

[uncut viper]

where would the popup box come from

[drowsy pewter]

does regiving an item not give a popup box?

I'll see

[uncut viper]

giving an item in general doesnt give a popup message or anything

if you're doing it via the vanilla AddItem traction

[drowsy pewter]

anyways blueberry i mean yeah but also that doesnt stop people from commenting on it lol

I see, maybe regiving it is better. I'd have to make sure I check the stack size on pickup though in case the player obtains two quality items

[brave fable]

then i mark 'not a bug' and close it 🙂‍↕️

[uncut viper]

yeah you can just use two different tractions for it, one checking for 1 stack size and one checking for 2

[drowsy pewter]

this isnt too bad

[uncut viper]

though if you're only giving back 1 in both cases then you can skip the 1 stack size check idk why i said that

wait no im silly you still need the 1 check

so you know to only remove 1

[drowsy pewter]

the other one is dropped from chickens, I guess i cant do anything about quality on that one since people might have autograbbers instead of picking it up

But its fine

Duplicate quest items is the bigger issue for that

[brittle pasture]

(somewhat related note and apologies for interrupting but I still have yet to figure out why every foraged items still have quality even though in theory it should only apply quality if isForage is true)

(I'm sure I'm missing something but idk where)

(for the double harvest thing my only unhelpful note is that 1.6.16 has the ObjectIsQuestItem field in item queries which can stop it)

[drowsy pewter]

1.6.16 promised me working museum exclusions too

[uncut viper]

whats not working about them right now

[brittle pasture]

undonatable minerals still show up in the collections menu, permanently greyed out

[uncut viper]

oh. so not a problem with the museum exclusion itself, just the collections menu

[brittle pasture]

otherwise the exclusion part works

[uncut viper]

yeah i knew about that i just thought it was meant that things werent excluded from the museum correctly

[brittle pasture]

another question I got while looking into the collections menu code: what (do you theorize) is this thing next to bread on springobjects

[obtuse wigeon]

the first pancake on shrove tuesday

[uncut viper]

bread (unleavened)

[brave fable]

also bread

[brittle pasture]

hmm
it's specifically excluded from cooking perfection, but it doesn't exist. the phantom of the kitchen

[brave fable]

.img white vienna loaf

[patent lance]

https://www.rotellasbakery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/00106_10075192001064.jpg

[tiny zealot]

My First Croissant

[drowsy pewter]

ah, removeitem will of course only do the first item in your inventory. not necessarily the one you picked up

[brave fable]

not the best image it could've given

[drowsy pewter]

better bread sprite

[obtuse wigeon]

pretty decent loaf that is

[brittle pasture]

to exist only as a ghost in the codebase...

[obtuse wigeon]

certainly not the only ghost in the codebase

[drowsy pewter]

also sigh, i forgot to exclude the piers from the beach forage spawning ranges

[obtuse wigeon]

thank you for the idea of limpets spawning as forage on the piers

[drowsy pewter]

i would love that

[brave fable]

a fine way to harvest mussels without pots

[obtuse wigeon]

theres not enough specific forage that only spawns in mainly unused locations imo

Oh I hate pots thats an even better idea

[brittle pasture]

my favorite useless trivia is that before 1.6 yeeted them for good the meat items still exist in the form of requirements for the animal bundle

[dusky sail]

another shape of bread

[obtuse wigeon]

"what on earth is that pink blob and how do I get it?"

[brave fable]

i can only wonder why ape went with the long baguette bread

i can understand for bruschetta, maybe for stuffing, but burger

wow. i never knew leah hates bread

maybe it's best we didn't get married

[obtuse wigeon]

the issue is when you split bread into "bread" and "bap" you then have to worry about the different names in english alone for bap, barm cake, flour cake, roll, bap, brioche etc, bread is so much easier XD

[brave fable]

of all of these, baguette is somehow the most specific bread

[tender bloom]

Bap also isn’t used in the US

[tiny zealot]

she also hates pizza and i think other gluten-containing foods (except poppyseed muffins)
-# also she's "secretly" left-handed

[tender bloom]

We would say bun I think based on GBBO??

Like a hamburger bun seems to be a bap in the UK

[obtuse wigeon]

bap isn't used in the US? wow I had no idea, I don't the the UK uses bun? if we do I haven't been where it's used

[brave fable]

i'm sure bun is used in the south

maybe more often as a teacake though

[obtuse wigeon]

A teacake is a biscuit with marshmellow covered in chocolate, different to a smore

[dusky sail]

yeah as an american i have no idea what bap means

[brave fable]

well a tunnock's teacake sure, but i mean more generically as a cake served at tea

[obtuse wigeon]

tunnocks teacakes, lovely things

but.. bap isn't cake... same way a load of bread isn't cake

[brave fable]

well a bap sure, but i said a bun

and herein lies the problem when people assume english is english is english

[obtuse wigeon]

english is already a pain at times XD

[brave fable]

wars have been fought and lost over tea and cake

[obtuse wigeon]

A LOT of tea

even then boston harbour was quite a weak brew

[tiny zealot]

(wiktionary)

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahh ye just remembered about iced buns, which are cakes, whoops

[tender bloom]

a bun is two things in the US, it's a sort of round roll like for hamburger buns and a sweet round-ish bread roll like a cinnamon bun

[uncut viper]

also a small rabbit

the most important kind of bun 🐇

[tender bloom]

true!!

[drowsy pewter]

what an ominous spawn location

YES I got it to work with minimal amounts of jank

[tardy shadow]

agree 🤣 . i spend more time to making mod than playing the game

[drowsy pewter]

"Spiderbuttons.BETAS_DelayedAction \"RemoveItem Cornucopia_LostPage_InlandSea\" 1",
"Spiderbuttons.BETAS_DelayedAction \"RemoveItem Cornucopia_LostPage_InlandSea\" 2",
"Spiderbuttons.BETAS_DelayedAction \"RemoveItem Cornucopia_LostPage_InlandSea\" 3",
"Spiderbuttons.BETAS_DelayedAction \"AddItem Cornucopia_LostPage_InlandSea\" 20"```

Wouldnt work if I did RemoveItem on a stack of two, nor if I did AddItem immediately after removing, so...

Now that I have a stat to track the # of quest items the player has obtained, I'm puzzling over how to make a shop sell any one of the last two quest items a player needs, but not both at the same time

[uncut viper]

give each quest item a special context tag like "to_be_obtained" and remove it when the player has gotten that item
then you can use that context tag in a peritemcondition for a shop entry that only sells 1 thing

[drowsy pewter]

Oh shit

You're a genius

[uncut viper]

(or the inverse, give items a context tag when obtained and use the !contexttag syntax in the peritemcondition)

[drowsy pewter]

thank god that means i only need to have one shop entry as well

[uncut viper]

downside: the context tag removal/adding would only be able to happen at the next CP update, whenever that is

may or may not be an issue

[drowsy pewter]

i dont think so? it works now

I do cp tag manipulation all the time

[uncut viper]

if your patch no longer applies the context tag then a shop wont know that until the next updatecontext

[drowsy pewter]

Ahhh okay

[uncut viper]

i.e. if i get Quest Item #6 and then immediately go to this shop, it can still sell #6 until the next morning (or timechange or locationchange)

[drowsy pewter]

I think I'm okay with that caveat

[uncut viper]

(assuming #6 was one of the last two etc etc yada yada)

yeah its not a big deal i just like to mention any deals i can think of

[drowsy pewter]

no its a good point!

Here's my horrendous shop entry conditions rn, which only accounts for the very last quest item a player can collect. theres 12 near identical entries to account for each item lol

[uncut viper]

ill be honest im way too deep into antihistamine hell here for that amount of text so i will just say good luck i think

(which is also why i can be no help for that removeitem stuff right now, apologies)

[drowsy pewter]

Good luck with your evil particles thing

Haha its fine it works now

no point digging unless a C# person really cares about removeitem mechanics

[obtuse wigeon]

(I know that hell all too well, I feel for ya XD)

[heavy pewter]

Guys, does "Include" works the same as '"using" in c#? Can I Include a JSON full of dynamic tokens and call it in the main JSON file?

[vernal crest]

You can only create dynamic tokens in your content.json

[obtuse wigeon]

Dynamic tokens and config (and it's tokens) can only be in the content.json, but otherwise include does work like "using" in C#

[brave fable]

i'm not sure if you can really call Include and Using similar in any context, all that Include does is (essentially) collate the Changes from your included file into the total list of Changes in your content pack

[uncut viper]

nothing in CP json is really analogous to anything in C# except for the concept of patching things

syntax wise its not analogous

[lucid iron]

i was thinking about the editimage mask thing

would that be more perf purpose of editing cursors?

if it exist then would only need 2 editimage even for oddly shaped ui

[uncut viper]

i think that was some of the reasoning for wanting it, to get out of targetarea hell

[lucid iron]

yea i do think there's general usefullnes in what is basically inverse of overlay

[drowsy pewter]

time for break the bass 3.0

[brave fable]

the inverse of over lay.... under stand

[lucid iron]

blueberry i cant believe i exist on the same dimensional plane as you

[hard fern]

bass 3.0? what did the fish do

[urban patrol]

how come i can set a dynamic token to do this:

    "Name": "PrepPhrase",
    "Value": "{{Random:Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:Dialogue.cs.735, Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:Dialogue.cs.736, Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:Dialogue.cs.737, Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:Dialogue.cs.738}}",
},

but not this:

    "Name": "MovieNightTitle",
    "Value": "{{Random: Strings\\Movies:BraveLittleSapling_Title, Strings\\Movies:Mysterium_Title, Strings\\Movies:JourneyOfThePrairieKing_Title, Strings\\Movies:Wumbus_Title, Strings\\Movies:ZuzuCityExpress_Title, Strings\\Movies:MiracleAtColdstarRanch_Title, Strings\\Movies:NaturalWonders_Title, Strings\\Movies:ItHowlsInTheRain_Title}}",
}```

(this is for use in schedule dialogue, and it's not a case of i18n, since i haven't done that to these strings yet)

[plush vault]

When using HasMod| conditions, is the load order relevant, or are HasMod| checks performed independently of the order?

[drowsy pewter]

independent

[lucid mulch]

what is the error message?

Technically HasMod needs to be first, but there is special logic in CP to ensure they always execute first regardless of the order you put them in

[plush vault]

K.
I'm working on the last few points for the Flexible Cooking add-ons. I want to finish them today.

[plush vault]

It was just a basic question about the function of mod checks.

[lucid mulch]

error message was for nic

[urban patrol]

no error message, it just displays like this:

[plush vault]

Unfortunately, it was also suitable for me. Hence the confusion.

[lucid mulch]

and the usage of the token?

[urban patrol]

"MovieNight.000": "I tried to suggest 'A New Hope', but I was outvoted.$h#$b#It's not that old, no matter what they say! I remember when it came out!$7#$e#I guess '{{MovieNightTitle}}' is good too, though.",

inside of an edit to "Target": "Strings/schedules/CharlesRowland",

[lucid mulch]

don't you need [LocalizedText ] or whatever for it to pull from a strings file

[urban patrol]

ohhh probably, i think that's how i did it before

thanks, i totally forgot

[urban patrol]

https://smapi.io/log/c46d257b4ada48338f45d52f80fcbd1f
https://smapi.io/json/none/22cb8fb56bc4455ca78efccf0b8bffe2
getting a really bizarre error where the question works Sometimes™ with no pattern that i can tell. the error (scroll to the bottom) says index out of bounds of the array. it's very possible i'm missing something stupid

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.22631.0, with 20 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[heavy pewter]

But can I use the content.json as DynamicToken library and use those tokens in the json I'm including

[urban patrol]

yep! Include basically means "copy everything from this file and paste it here"

[heavy pewter]

This is getting more exciting

[urban patrol]

there are also local tokens but do not ask me about them i don't even know what they do or what they're for lol

i just know they're useful

[vernal crest]

They are tokens that only exist in the patch they're defined in. If that patch is an Include, they exist for every patch inside that Include.

It lets you use the same token but give it different values. Useful for templating, like when you need to add many objects and add them to shops and so on. You only need to write one patch for the data/objects entry and one for the data/shops entry and you can reuse those two patches for however many objects you need to.

[vernal crest]

I am too tired to comb through my giant questions testing file right now to see if I have tested this but I am not sure you can have a question without a fallback.

[urban patrol]

i'll try adding one just to test

i'm confused how it ever worked without it but chalk that up to Weirdness lol

[vernal crest]

Apparently I have not tested that. How strange.

[urban patrol]

i tested (on my old save, bc it's annoying to get him to this state) and he said the follow up automatically, but it's very possible that's because i had answered the question before on a previous day

i'd really like this question to repeat every week though, if that's possible

[vernal crest]

So the error went away when you added the followup?

[urban patrol]

a tentative yes, because the error didn't always show up before

[vernal crest]

Did it only show up after you had already picked an answer, the times that it did happen?

[urban patrol]

no, it was usually on patch reload (but not always)

also important to note is that the question was working correctly when i first started testing it, even though i did have the error

and i changed it a bunch of times (unfortunately don't remember what the different states were) but each time it was either 1) red error in log 2) no error, dialogue just displays ... 3) i18n error

i'm setting him up in a new save now

[vernal crest]

Am I remembering correctly that questions don't show portraits?

[urban patrol]

correct

[vernal crest]

Why have you got a portrait command in yours then?

[urban patrol]

welp good question

okay it seems like follow up got rid of the error permanently--i tested it two weeks in a row. unfortunately you can only answer it once though

[vernal crest]

Nah

I can help you make it recur

I just wanted to make sure that was the issue first

[urban patrol]

that would be awesome! however i do need to go to bed

i could ping you tomorrow? thank you so much for helping tonight

[vernal crest]

Okay, ping me when you are ready because the way to make it recur depends on what you want to do with the response IDs

(Otherwise I'd just leave it for you now to see when you got up)

[urban patrol]

will do! i can probably answer questions while i brush my teeth etc but i'll be shutting down the computer and on my phone

[vernal crest]

Oh ok I will ask then

Are you planning to use the response IDs for anything?

[urban patrol]

no, just flavor text

[vernal crest]

Will you ever want to check that the question has been asked, regardless of which answer was chosen?

[urban patrol]

nope

it’s just a daily dialogue

[vernal crest]

Ok, tidiest way then is to just remove the response IDs from the question (but not from the replies - that breaks it) like so:

I was looking for constellations last night and saw a shooting star. Pretty cool, huh?#$q MontyWishFallback#What would you wish for?
        #$r {{ModId}}_MontyWish1 0 MontyWishReaction1#More money.
        #$r {{ModId}}_MontyWish2 0 MontyWishReaction2#More time.
        #$r {{ModId}}_MontyWish3 0 MontyWishReaction3#More friends.
        #$r {{ModId}}_MontyWish4 0 MontyWishReaction4#I'm happy without making wishes

I am giving your response IDs your mod ID because they are global and therefore should be unique.

[urban patrol]

ohhhh neat, thank you! and whoops in regard to mod id lol

[vernal crest]

(Despite the wiki saying that the response IDs are mandatory inside the $q string, my testing showed otherwise. I was pretty thorough but I can't check the decompile to confirm my conclusions because I cannot understand the code for it lol)

[urban patrol]

honestly i trust you lol

[late gull]

wtf... copilot reenabled all its settings when i updated visual studio. didn't realize, clicked the copilot icon beside a warning in the error list wondering what it was and it proceeded to do this

LOL

[lucid mulch]

And that's why you use version control like git

Very easy to undo the damage

[late gull]

i wouldnt be posting if i didn't, id be crying instead lol

[vernal crest]

If you decide that you want to add in a safeguard so that you can check if the question has been asked in future regardless of answer you can add a response ID to the question string that doesn't actually match any of the ones in the answers (e.g., {{ModId}}_MontyWish0). But you should also be able to check if the question has been asked by doing an OR check for the existing response IDs anyway.

[urban patrol]

good to know! ofc your suggestion has sparked a “hmm, what WOULD four different events based off this look like?” which i am certainly not doing lol

i’ve already been working on this release since june

but it wouldn’t hurt to build in anyway

[velvet cairn]

i'm updating my mods to start a new playthrough, and I wanted to get a matching obelisk for the DeepWoods mod
I found this one, though it is severely outdated now.
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5016?tab=description
I updated the requirement tags to match the updated uniqueID, but SMAPI is saying it's not compatible? Anyone know why this might be?

[gentle rose]

error generator!

[gentle rose]

are you saying that there's no "review generated code"/"undo code generation" option?

did copilot also write the copilot integration?

[late gull]

I have no idea, I immediately reverted and disabled all the copilot settings again. Error generator indeed

[stray hemlock]

Recommendation: Block the servers in your host file (I have no idea if that's possible).

[woeful lintel]

Recommendation: don't use an ide with genAI integration (it's possible)

[late gull]

Any recommendations?

[woeful lintel]

vscodium is a classic since it has access to all vscode extensions

[late gull]

Oo thanks, I'll check it out!

[brave fable]

vscode in any flavour is still not necessarily a substitute for vs, though

[late gull]

I'm not familiar with vscode to be honest, I've only ever used vs and codeblocks

[brave fable]

jesus. codeblocks

it's been a while

vscode is really more of a feature-rich text editor than an IDE, especially for the purposes of SDV modding

[stray hemlock]

Me using Google: "visual studio c# alternative"
Google: IntelliJ yolo

[brave fable]

rider is essentially the only good alternative

helps it has a free version now! joy

but i enjoy the (at least a few years old now) intellij ide workflow/presentation/experience less than vs, and much less than vscode. for reasons i don't entirely know myself

[stray hemlock]

Did that use to be called Twix?

Only Europeans get that joke.

[late gull]

Looks like Rider's implemented an AI assistant in their ide as well

[brave fable]

well obviously. we're in the future

no first-party software would be seen dead without an AI prompt

i'm expecting discord to offer to write your messages for you before the end of the year

[late gull]

offer? How hopeful

Chances are you're just an AI discord bot already.

[brave fable]

you're absolutely right!

[stray hemlock]

Honestly, Vim. Or Emacs.

Granted, you only trade one problem for the other, but oh well...

[gentle rose]

it's also a pain to disable

chu writes c# in a non specialised ide and then compiles using dotnet, maybe I'll just find a way to get the code autocompletion in vim and use that

[gentle rose]

someone hasn't been offered their "server highlights" feature

[stray hemlock]

"Discussion about using VSCode as a replacement for VSCode..."

This is Discord's AI feature.

[brave fable]

incredible. groundbreaking. breathtaking.

[humble timber]

aaand this is how i learn about this lmao

[stray hemlock]

You need to enable it via mods. I did it because I was curious.

[iron ridge]

is it just an experiment?

[stray hemlock]

It's been in Beta for more than a year. I don't know what they have planned. I think it's only enabled for some channels and the mod forces it for all (all that aren't marked as mature, that is).

[iron ridge]

no i mean it is just enabled via the experiment section of settings

[stray hemlock]

Don't know. I used a plugin. Like, third-party. Don't know what that does in the background.

[gentle rose]

for some servers. others have it enabled without them

[hard fern]

Incredible

[woeful lintel]

I didn't want to recommend vim (or neovim) because I haven't used it much yet, but yeah, it's the only actual genAI free code editor I know of

[hard fern]

Why can't they just make an ai that's actually helpful 😔

[stray hemlock]

Nano and Micro exist as well.

Ed

[woeful lintel]

nano the terminal editor? doesn't seem very good as an ide to me, granted I never learned the keybinds

[lucid mulch]

(neovim can do genai perfectly fine https://github.com/huggingface/llm.nvim)

and I would suggest notepad, but notepad does have a copilot integration

[woeful lintel]

of course it can, but it's not built in and it's the point

[fossil osprey]

Wild idea: libreoffice writer/Microsoft Word as code editor (please don't)

[brave fable]

and so we return to content.rtf

[fossil osprey]

I have no idea what this is and I'm not sure I want to know

[gentle rose]

content.docx

[stray hemlock]

#making-mods-general message

[fossil osprey]

Oh my god

[hard fern]

I thought writing code exclusively in Minecraft books would be funny but you don't really have a way to get it out of the books to compile it

[gray bear]

what does content.rtf do for u

[woeful lintel]

well, it must be stored somewhere in the world data

[gray bear]

hey any of the smort modders in here know about linux modding? someone is asking in #modded-stardew and like, idek

[gentle rose]

best place for them is modded tech support, as always

[merry river]

me again! here I thought I had set up my second event properly but it doesn't trigger in-game :(
the idea was:

• see event 1
• additionally, when you have seen the first wizard event (where you learn how to read the junimo alphabet) you are supposed to receive a letter from the wizard with a quest to go see him
• you go to the wizard's tower and some yapping happens. the end.

however, the letter doesn't show up after the according conditions are met, instead, it shows up even before having seen the first wizard event. and even if you head to the tower to see that event, the custom one doesn't fire at all

event json: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c9dec13c4efc42aa80157e20999cad80
and the letter and quest part in my content json:

[finite ginkgo]

What's with the +s in the condition field? That's not how you use multiple GSQs, the separator is ,, what you currently have is an invalid condition for your trigger action

(or, well, it's "valid" but ignoring everything after 112+ and searching for the event with the exact id 112+)

[merry river]

it was kind of hard to figure out how to make all of this work because of the lack of explanations given on the wiki, so I just. tried.

I'll throw in the proper separator then

[hard fern]

The plus i think is just there to show you can list as manu events as you want

[rotund egret]

How do I check if player has the cellar upgrade?

[hard fern]

Game state query

There's one about farmhouse upgrade

[rotund egret]

Thank you!

Would this work? (Unlock conditions)

[plucky girder]

So Gigner Island is grand, but places in Forever Spring and Autumn would be lovely as well. I'd like it if we could make a "Glave Feild," and a "Mounton Feild," and maybe a small ice cave one for the modded winter plants."

[sharp crystal]

I'm trying adding a bundle in my mod. I want to use custom image for the bundle, but I don't know how I should write path in this case.

The only exemple I've use buildin file :

"Entries": {
"Pantry/80": "Moschops Products/BO 100 1/Imagical.Moschops_MoschopsEgg 1 0 Imagical.Moschops_MoschopsClaw 1 0/2//LooseSprites\\BundleSprites:12/Moschops Bundle"
}

It's work with LooseSprites\BundleSprites:12
but if I try to use asset from my mod assets folder, the image never appear.

[finite ginkgo]

Did you load the sprite or are you trying to put in the file path in your mod

Because it takes an asset name (ie the Target when you Load something), not a literal file path

[hard fern]

If you want to make it yourself then go for it

[plucky girder]

I want to

but I can't

[merry river]

got my event to work, thank you!!
i wanted to take a detour and work on the datability of my npc. ideally, he's supposed to be a romanceable roommate of sorts which would require the mod to be dependent on free love, I think. But the entire thing is also supposed to be toggleable via GMCM to be a "normal" romanceable NPC.
can I set a conditional config option that relies on the free love mod being installed?
I think I would also need to set a dynamic token but I'm very insecure about the proper syntax for what I want to do. I checked the code for the NPC Nora because she has something similar going on to what I want to achieve but... how do I know which conditions to use?
wow, sorry for the wall of text once again. you guys are carrying my entire project here

[finite ginkgo]

the Unlock Conditions in recipe data aren't GSQs, they're specific values, if you want those conditions then i'd use a Trigger Action to give the player the recipe instead

[hard fern]

Well, now is a better time than any to start learning

[plucky girder]

🙁

I don't want to go into

[hard fern]

Well idk what to tell you then.

!modideas

[ocean sail]

If you have a mod idea that you aren't planning to make yourself, you can put it in the mod ideas github: https://github.com/StardewModders/mod-ideas

However, this does not mean anyone is guaranteed to work on your idea—modders who are looking for ideas sometimes go through and work on what they find interesting off this list. If you want to pay someone to make your mod idea, there are a few people who do commissions (mostly art, sometimes code); you can ask around, search usernames for the word comms, or see !commissions.

To use this command, type !modideas.

[hard fern]

You can post on the GitHub and hope someone will make it

But the only surefire way to make it happen is to pay someone to do it

[iron ridge]

(or do it yourself)

[hard fern]

(the person said they didn't want to so money is the only other option)

[iron ridge]

yes, but it's the only other surefire way

[rotund egret]

Alright. I want 2 conditions to be met, so do I just put the second one after a comma in the Condition field?

[finite ginkgo]

yes

[hard fern]

If you ever decide to change your mind people are always willing to help you out here

[rotund egret]

Thank you. The recipe works now, but I still can't get the machine logic to work. Any ideas on how to fix this?
I tired changing square brackets to curly ones, but it threw a bigger error.

JSON link: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/18cb53e86d7940e5a4a51a4e5f414f7a

Error:
[Content Patcher] Can't apply data patch "Better Dewdrop Berries > Include code/AdvancedCask.json > EditData Data/Machines > entry #1" to Data/Machines: failed converting entry to the expected type 'StardewValley.GameData.Machines.MachineData': Cannot deserialize the current JSON object (e.g. {"name":"value"}) into type 'System.Collections.Generic.List`1[StardewValley.GameData.Machines.MachineItemOutput]' because the type requires a JSON array (e.g. [1,2,3]) to deserialize correctly. To fix this error either change the JSON to a JSON array (e.g. [1,2,3]) or change the deserialized type so that it is a normal .NET type (e.g. not a primitive type like integer, not a collection type like an array or List<T>) that can be deserialized from a JSON object. JsonObjectAttribute can also be added to the type to force it to deserialize from a JSON object. Path 'OutputRules[0].OutputItem.OutputMethod'..

[ornate trellis]

hey guys, trying to make an event play when a certain CT is triggered...thats a thing, right? if so, can i add this to ma event or how should I go about it the smart way(if possible)
"When": "PLAYER_HAS_CONVERSATION_TOPIC Any {{ModID}}_Barnabas14HeartsEventMention"

[hard fern]

Why can't you just add that to the preconditions

[ornate trellis]

because...as i tried looking at the wiki i didnt see anything on how to add it so i was like hm maybe i gotta add it like that

[hard fern]

🤔

Its there i thought (sorry im on mobile) but it should be in like. The event preconditions area

[ornate trellis]

oh wait... i think i missed something in the beginning

i went straight searching for CT

would that be GameStateQuery "PLAYER_HAS_CONVERSATION_TOPIC Any {{ModID}}_Barnabas14HeartsEventMention"

or wiothout the any

[hard fern]

i mean this is right below the gsq thing

[ornate trellis]

alright, im blind

i normally just roam around the lower layers of that page...

now i wonder why my CTRL+F in my browser failed to search that CT mention in there...well, either way, thanks for the help. As always, I am too blind to look for shit, sigh

[hard fern]

🤔 i wonder too

[ornate trellis]

rub it in more

[hard fern]

😅 i was just trying to figure it out

[ornate trellis]

wait with that emote it somehow looks wrong forget that

[hard fern]

LOL

[ornate trellis]

its fine im just joking but was too distracted by my realization as i hit enter

hey at least i can tell people who are insecure about trying to make a mod that its fine cuz despite me being scatter-brained and always confused i somehow manage to make mods(with the help of yall) so anyone can do it

[hard fern]

XD everyone has to start somewhere

[ornate trellis]

sadly i know i will remain in this state, but hey thats ok. im just being me lmao

[flat sluice]

Hi,
after a long time, I once again ask for a modding help.
I'm adding TouchAction MagicWarp 8 11 StrojvedouciDenis.Eleanor.Maps.Eleanor.home thru JSON into a map, however if I interpered the error correctly, it is also asking for face direction, which the wiki (https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#TouchAction) does not list.
So I added it there, making it TouchAction MagicWarp 8 11 3 StrojvedouciDenis.Eleanor.Maps.Eleanor.home, however that doesn't work and SMAPI doesn't want to tell me anything about it (or I'm just totally blind).
Log: https://smapi.io/log/2097ebad135a457ab9b331ca5b185fcb
JSON after fix: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c3619ddf2bcb43148a8a9240f3577775#code.73 (the 2 showed errors is just the checker not liking my map name, it works as expected without any warnings)
See attached video for how it does (not) work.
Any help will be appreciated!

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19045.0, with 23 C# mods and 1 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[hard fern]

-=aq0s-=[P

PLS CAT

pls

[ornate trellis]

very important cat message

[urban patrol]

you can never make a config option depend on anything except “the user selected this option”, but what you can do is have one patch for normal romanceable NPC with no conditions, and then one underneath it (the order is very important) with the condition HasMod free love that gives the romanceable roommate situation

if you want it to also be dependent on a config option, then i would gate each one behind an OR (1: config false OR no free love installed, 2: config true OR free love installed)

[merry river]

i see! that would have been my next thing to try. thank you! i also found a mod where the mod creator is fine with mod add-ons, so i'll look into that as well once i have their permission 😌

[urban patrol]

not quite sure what you mean by that but that’s great!

oh also i forgot to mention, but config options don’t require dynamic tokens to work, you can just use them like When: ConfigOption1

[urban patrol]

MagicWarp takes the format Area X Y

(no facing direction needed, just swap the order around)

[rotund egret]

Anyone?

[urban patrol]

idk anything about machines but i think you might want to check your brackets (see the highlighted pair in my image)

if i’m wrong ignore me

[plucky girder]

I mean, I don't want to get into why I can't try to learn even if I could learn at this point in time, and might not for months.

[humble timber]

well, you'll never be able to learn with that mindset 🤷

hm

[rotund egret]

I'll try. Changing the Triggers ones didn't work but maybe these will.

[plucky girder]

Bad time to try.

[humble timber]

unfortunate

[plucky girder]

and I don't want to explane

[humble timber]

i have plenty of mods i want to exist that i'll have to make myself so i get it

[rotund egret]

Nope, that's not it.

[urban patrol]

i can take a closer look later when i’m not on mobile but that’s all i have rn then, sorry

[rotund egret]

I'd really appreciate it.

[urban patrol]

what you can do in hopes of attracting someone who knows machine data more is post your most recent log and json

[rotund egret]

I'm gonna check the format with stuff already in Machines.xnb. If I can't fix it after this, I'll probably do that.

[urban patrol]

always a good idea!

just making sure, have you unpacked the game data?

[dreamy owl]

what client do you guys prefer for actually writing code?

[urban patrol]

for C#, usually VS or rider is recommended in here

[lucid iron]

Just use text editor of choice

[dreamy owl]

ty :3

[obtuse wigeon]

I use VSCode for json stuff, and Rider or Visual Studio for C#

[dreamy owl]

making my first mod here, portraits

[urban patrol]

then yeah VSC or i like notepad++

[brittle pasture]

OutputItem is a list, not just a singular object

[rotund egret]

What should I add then?

[brittle pasture]

square brackets

[rotund egret]

Ah, I see it now.

Thank you!

[digital herald]

I have a question. Im looking at a mod called Always On Server https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/2677
Where at the start of the day, they set skill and level to maximum. What is the purpose of that?

[rotund egret]

Alright, the error is gone and Lookup Anything sees the producer rules, but I can't interact with the machine.

[urban patrol]

did you spawn a new machine and trash the old one

[rotund egret]

I spawned a new one.

The old one didn't even exist since I wasn't saving the game for the tests.

[brittle pasture]

can you post your code again just in case

[brittle pasture]

the way most "headless" SDV mods work is that they have an invisible host character to host the game and have others join as farmhand
if I have to guess the max level's to unlock everything since you can't "play" as the host

[rotund egret]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/dec27082706b42e8b1d65bb0325719dd

[brittle pasture]

hmm so your machine is a custom cask using the OutputCask method, but IIRC it doesn't work if your machine's not actually of the type Cask

[rotund egret]

I see.

So I basically have to code it from scratch?

[brittle pasture]

you'll need EMC's custom cask functionality

[gray bear]

you need a selph mod™

[brittle pasture]

https://github.com/zombifier/My_Stardew_Mods/tree/master/ExtraMachineConfig#custom-casks

[rotund egret]

Does that disqualify all output rules or just this one?

Because the second one (for my custom item) also doesn't work.

[brittle pasture]

just the ones that specifically use OutputCask

I havent looked too deep at that second one but I think it's also missing a bunch of fields?

[rotund egret]

Wiki says they're all optional...

[brittle pasture]

actually does your custom juice item had the juice_item tag

[rotund egret]

Yep.

[brittle pasture]

then it's being caught by the first rule

and the second rule never triggers

[rotund egret]

Alright. I'll remove the tag and it should be fine, right?

(Except for all the vanilla items)

[brittle pasture]

yep
but I must warn that if you do make it a custom Cask then casks don't mix well with traditional input-output machine rules

because casks by design allow you to retrieve the output out of it any time, so a user can put your regular juice in, immediately smack it with a tool, and get the aged juice out

[rotund egret]

Adding DaysUntilReady would prevent that, wouldn't it?

[brittle pasture]

it doesnt stop the tool smacking

[digital herald]

Thank you Selph. It seems like the mod is half way there (or broken atm), I will do more reading.

[rotund egret]

Welp, they'll just lose their input item.

Other than that, everything works.

Thanks for help!

[soft lance]

Hello! I checked a bit on the wiki, and did some experimenting, also looked at how SVE handles this

I'm editing Data/NPCGiftTastes, and appending new Universal Love, oddly this doesn't really work with many characters, as a considerable amount are still disliking/hating the gift, I may be inputting it wrong (missing a space and/or comma? tried but didnt seem to make much difference), though it seems close to how SVE does it

The items are from my own mod, ASF_MermaidPearl and ASF_MermaidTear, so was wondering if I possibly inputted this wrong. I noticed a slash, which isn't anywhere until it hits my mod, I was thinking this was due to me inputting the Universal loved items wrong, but I am unsure

[brittle pasture]

universal tastes don't have fields since they're just one string

        {
          "Operation": "Append",
          "Target": ["Entries", "Universal_Dislike"],
          "Value": "{{ModId}}_LinseedOil",
          "Delimiter": " "
        },

example from my mod

[grand badge]

anywhere i can get a tempate for making a clothes mod?

i think thats the word atleast

[violet valley]

is it possible to make custom house renovations with just content patcher?

[hard fern]

content patcher or fashion sense? (very different)

[grand badge]

fashion sense

[soft lance]

OHHH okay that makes sense tyty

[latent mauve]

Yes!

[violet valley]

oh cool

[latent mauve]

My unreleased bathroom mod (I will release it some day, maybe. If I ever remember) does this.

[violet valley]

ok

how? what is the asset name to edit

or however you do it

[latent mauve]

It's going to be a multi-part process, because you need two TMX files, one with your renovation and one with it empty, and then you will need to make an entry for Data/HomeRenovations.

[violet valley]

Ok

thanks!

[latent mauve]

Have you looked at the unpacked game data yet?

[violet valley]

Yes

I just didnt know what the Data/___ was called

for renovations

[grand badge]

fashion scense

[hard fern]

if you check the nexus page for it then the docs should be linked there

[latent mauve]

oh, there's a wiki page for AdditionalRenovations as a map property now, one moment while I check what versions that works for

That would likely simplify things a bit.

Looks like the example is updated, so that should help too

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Farmhouse_Renovations

[urban patrol]

i think that should probably be added to the index! i was looking through it and didn't see that page at all

[latent mauve]

It's in the modding namespace for the main wiki, I just searched "modding:renovation" to find it

That's an advanced tutorial page

(it's also linked on the map properties page)

[urban patrol]

ah if it's linked in map properties that's probably fine then

[latent mauve]

I think the page got a little bit of a cleanup recently, because it's organized a bit differently than the last time I looked at it xD

I'm a little thrown by the lack of edits to Data/HomeRenovations in the tutorial, though, are those just completely handled by the map property now?

I definitely remember doing all this for mine: https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/ca67ca3f8d1949a58a78ce90cd1dabad

[obtuse wigeon]

I've seen other mods that do the same thing too so I guess possibly thats the case?

[crimson plinth]

Hey, it feels rude not to introduce myself first, so hi, I'm grnprns and I'm working on a mod (...duh) with CP and C#. I need/want to check what the farmer is currently wearing. From what I've gathered, this isn't possible, right? Or am I missing something?

[uncut viper]

i suppose you can do both forms of renovation? the map property does just work by using vanillas usual map override feature. i guess for map overrides that you dont want the player to buy and place down, i suppose

that stuff on the wiki is from 1.5.5, though

[latent mauve]

Ah, so maybe AdditionalRenovations is better suited for renovations you don't buy

[uncut viper]

not possible with CP, with C# anything is possible

[latent mauve]

Yeah, I feel like I ignored it completely when I made my custom renovation, which is why I thought it was new somehow.

[uncut viper]

farmhouse renovations seem like a niche thing for modders so unsurprising that there hasnt been someone wanting to do the work to meticulously document it all

[soft lance]

"Town": {
  "Items": [
    {
      "IgnoreBaseChance": true,
      "Id": "Town Marlin",
      "Condition": "RANDOM 0.01",
      "ItemId": "{{ModID}}_Marlin"
    }
  ]
}

For Data/GarbageCans with the EditData action, if I added my own item into a garbage can, lets say any characters garbage for now, will it Append to it, or Write Over what was already there?

[latent mauve]

Well, I can publish my mod after I check it over again so people can reference it, since I know it works. xD

I was detangling it from a testing combination mod that let you swap between a renovation or a map patch to split it off and just never finished the final checks.

[urban patrol]

it's hard to tell what you're doing with just this code snippet and not the entire patch

[latent mauve]

We'd need to see the Target and if you've used TargetField or anything else to drill down to what you are patching.

I believe if you only had an "Entries" in front of that code snippet, it would overwrite the Town entry with what you have instead of adding.

But if you used Fields, you might be okay.

[soft lance]

ahh my bad my bad

lemme take a photo

[obtuse wigeon]

!json use this instead

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[obtuse wigeon]

the first link

[soft lance]

alrightyy

https://smapi.io/json/none/8f0e3039ad5c433898517f904c946e5b

[crimson plinth]

thanks! the info might have been about CP then, I've been researching a lot and it's just been a lot of info lol. I'll keep trying

[urban patrol]

right now you're adding an entry called Town, which doesn't exist in base game data:

[soft lance]

Ahh

[soft lance]

can u link me this page?

that shows the valid locations

[urban patrol]

this isn't a wiki page, this is the unpacked data

!unpack

[ocean sail]

Follow this guide to unpack the game's content files in order to see and explore how the game data is structured.
It's helpful when making your own mods, or just to learn about how the game works!

To use this command, type !unpack.

[soft lance]

ahh alrighty

[soft lance]

lets say I did edit one of them and added something in there like a custom item

will it overwrite the pre-existing items in that trash can?

or overwrite it from other mods?

or will it append it

hopefully append lol

[urban patrol]

it depends on how far down you drill

[soft lance]

lets say I just like, add two or three items for all the trash cans in the town

like maybe 6-8 trash cans in total lets say

[latent mauve]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Garbage_cans

okay, so if you scroll down to "Change an existing garbage can", you'll see the example has "TargetField" in there

to drill down to a specific can, and then to the Items field

[urban patrol]

(note that that example has a unique ID with your Mod ID prefixing it!)

[latent mauve]

That TargetField is necessary, as is the unique ID for the actual ID of the Item, in order to prevent your mod from wiping out another entry that might otherwise accidentally have the same name.

As nic is pointing out, the {{ModId}}_Item format for naming your Item IDs inside an entry helps out a lot to prevent compatibility errors!

[soft lance]

Now, I'd assume this would work, however, for the BeforeId, how do I know what to add? It's just a bit confusing to me

[obtuse wigeon]

(I'm glad that prefixing with the modid is drilled into people when they begin modding, I remember the days in other games where that was never done and it lead to SOOOO many issues)

[soft lance]

My whole mod uses {{ModId}} for all fish/assets, except of course the i18n definitions

^^

[urban patrol]

i mentioned it because the json you sent didn’t have a unique id (town marlin)

[latent mauve]

It's still not as common as we'd like, because so many IDs had to be integers before the refactor and you can't use {{ModID}} unless it takes a string key!

[soft lance]

yeah I was just playing around with adding for garbage cans with how SVE did it but it seems they were doing something else, so that wiki page helped

[soft lance]

Oooof 😭 wow

[urban patrol]

using SVE as an example frequently leads to confusion i fear

[latent mauve]

The terror still exists for HairData, imagine having to come up with a number nobody's used because you can't use letters.

(It's on the list to change to string keys)

[obtuse wigeon]

To help prevent issues with numeric keys I also have a set numberic prefix based off my name to try to avoid issues too XD not perfect, but it's better than nothing!

[soft lance]

...oh my gosh..that seems horrid, my hair is 1203178923910238 and i hope no one uses this same thing (would be horrid)

• scared that your code will look like gibberish just for uniqeness

[urban patrol]

i think convention used to be start it with your nexus mod page number

[latent mauve]

Yep, but even then, you run into issues once a nexus mod rolls into the next digit after your numbers.

[soft lance]

Ahh haha, yeah I saw that, mine isn't following Name.ModName prefix, because I didn't know until much later

[obtuse wigeon]

That's also a very good idea, i never thought of that ngl, could cause issues when enough mods to add- Yep what fireredlily said XD

[soft lance]

I'd say my mod's UniqueId is pretty risky

As it's "ASF"

with no name prior to it like LucyTheDove.ASF

so its just, ASF, lol

[latent mauve]

Yeah, you definitely want to consider migrating that to a more specific one