making-mods-general

[drowsy pewter]

EMC has a feature to rename entries like this via a CP mod, but again no separate image

[calm nebula]

It's not a c# override

I forgot where it is (strings 2?)

.....I also may be thinking of 1.6.16

[drowsy pewter]

but how is the string supposed to get there withoit C#

[quasi wigeon]

the cider is the only one i'd be considering a sprite change for -- i'm fine with the bottle sprite for the others, it'd just be nice to get sake instead of unmilled rice wine forex

[calm nebula]

Sorry, by not c# i mean "in the base game"

In at least one version

It's not hardcoded

Ahha

1.6.9 migration docs

[drowsy pewter]

So by adding the relevant key to strings, would it automatically override?

[calm nebula]

Yeah!

Whichever file Wine_Flavored_(O)282_Name is in

[tiny zealot]

are you inviting others? (it's me, i'm others)

[dusky sail]

its in strings/objects

[livid kite]

What is said discord???

[tiny zealot]

from context it seems to be about building our own mod host, which i find interesting

[ornate locust]

It's interesting, buuut... well, as someone extremely unemployed, I gotta say DP are a hard benefit to beat

god knows I don't get paid for taking care of my grandma, it's nice to get some income somewhere

[drowsy pewter]

especially after they rebalanced dp rewards

[next plaza]

well, not for all of us

(but the amount I got before was... kinda obscene considering how little others got, so I'm not actually complaining)

(and it's still a pretty decent amount considering its a hobby I put no money into)

@indigo yoke Saw your new mod

Swinging a pickaxe every day in the mines will increase your fitness IRL [... context that really isn't important or significant don't worry about it]
Finally, I can lose weight without touching grass

[ornate locust]

I was apparently in some bizarre sweet spot because mine stayed basically the same LOL

I had one big mod like twenty years ago that still gets downloads and a bunch of little ones

[next plaza]

My october 2025 DP was about 20% of what it was for March 2024. 😔 (which, to be fair, is the highest I've ever gotten thanks to 1.6 coming out)

A more fair comparison with my average before the algorithm change is like ~30% (estimating on the low side, I was in kinda a lower dip for like 6 months pre-1.6)

[ornate locust]

Maybe now that Oblivion Remastered is out, my old Oblivion mod will stop getting random downloads (it's already gotten 21 unique ones this month)

[next plaza]

...oh, I thought 20 years was a hyperbole

[calm nebula]

Twenty years ago...

[ornate locust]

It was not

I was a teenager LOL

[hard fern]

oh my god

[next plaza]

(Not many people here seem to come from modding other games - much less bethesda games)

[calm nebula]

My dad was trying to teach me cpp by handing me a textbook

[hidden sparrow]

minecraft

[next plaza]

I'd say minecraft is the most common one I've seen, yeah

I did minecraft (and Terraria) before SDV

[ornate locust]

that mod went out in like 06

I didn't even start with that, I started with NWN

[calm nebula]

2006 is such a different year

[next plaza]

Technically I was too when I started MC modding

("Technically" because 19)

[ornate locust]

Hey, guess how old I was when I did that mod! LOL

19, nailed it

[next plaza]

And of course the first (non-trivial, since technically three heart dance partner came first) SDV mod I did was adding multiplayer

But I think I've well proven by now that I'm kinda insane when it comes to mods I want to make

gestures vaguely at crime thread

[ornate locust]

Delightful crimes!

[calm nebula]

Amazing crimes

How is the 3rd dimension?

[next plaza]

Hasn't been touched in weeks

And unless that happens in the next week or so, it'll probably be a lot longer

thanks KAR2

[ornate locust]

I find that November is a cursed month for productivity

[next plaza]

There's also hytale potentially being available soon (or at least news on it)

And Terraria 1.4.5 being planned for release in the next couple of months

[calm nebula]

Yup

We were talking about it at work today

Fucking holiday every time I turn around

Someone is on vacation or one of your subcontractors is on vacation

[ornate locust]

or holiday preparation

[indigo yoke]

no grass. only dirt!

[proven spindle]

I somehow had my most productive day in months today lol

Made a bunch of new leaves for leaf collecting

[next plaza]

As long as I don't use my scythe to collect hay, anyways

[royal stump]

i made exactly one bad morrowind mod in like 2003, if that counts

[calm nebula]

2003....

[indigo yoke]

tbh I wanted to make a machine that was just a treadmill. but couldnt figure out how to do it xD

like you locked your player on the machine for 1-2 hours and produces a battery while getting an exp

[royal stump]

i was still Not An Adult, but old enough to click around in the editor & make an npc vendor

though iirc i accidentally moved some lamps around on the wrong map too

[calm nebula]

I sometimes think of the Google fitness api

Class, I'm on the official Google docs

[next plaza]

It does!

Meanwhile, me, my first Bethesda game being Skyrim… in 2016

(It was released in 2011 apparently)

[calm nebula]

I dont know what Skyrim is

[ornate locust]

I think 04 was when I did the NWN one

[next plaza]

(Although to be fair my parents actually cared about ESRB ratings)

[calm nebula]

Why are there ai generated key takeaways on the Official Documentation

[ornate locust]

Welcome to 2025, it's a dumb year

[royal stump]

gotta use those investments™ everywhere they can

[calm nebula]

I definitely dont knoe what NWN is

[next plaza]

Extra “docs”, no effort

[royal stump]

neverwinter nights (dungeons & dragons thing, accessible modding, my sibling did that)

[ornate locust]

Neverwinter Nights, real old D&D-based game.

[calm nebula]

I've never heard of it before

[indigo yoke]

YEEEE

[calm nebula]

(This is pretty normal)

[indigo yoke]

I LOVED making old netherwinter nights modlules

[calm nebula]

(I grew up under a rock)

[indigo yoke]

those were fun to mess around it

in*

[royal stump]

2002 so yeah

[ornate locust]

I fell off at NWN2 with the literal Rocks Fall Everyone Dies ending

[indigo yoke]

no clue what I was doing

[next plaza]

Big craftable that places a flooring next to it automatically, the amount of time you spend running against the BC on the flooring builds up the charge.

Removing one removes the other, of course (using net events, like Bigger Craftables did)

[royal stump]

it was like, block-based map editing + add props and npcs, pretty uniquely accessible at the time

[next plaza]

I never played any NWN game, but my brothers enjoyed it a lot

[indigo yoke]

[next plaza]

I technically I played one of the original baldurs gates at some point, but don’t recall anything about it

[calm nebula]

I also don't know what baldurs gate is

[next plaza]

For 2002? Yeah that’s insane

[ornate locust]

I actually messed with modding BG1/2/TOB, but that was more recent than my messing with NWN even though it's older

good ol Weidu

[next plaza]

2023 game of the year

Big RPG

Has modding

[royal stump]

i played all the old baldur's gate stuff a lot though i never did 1 without cheating, some fights were rude for a 12yo or w/e

[ornate locust]

I did mod BG3 too, but it's a REAL PAIN

[indigo yoke]

I dont know how to make a big craftable stick a flooring tile next to it
but like custom machine properties that check to see if the player is running against it, and continue to raise the counter the longer the player runs next to it is a great idea

[calm nebula]

I live under a rock 😛

What about an exercise bike

[next plaza]

“Some […] was rude for a 12yo or w/e”
ie. reason I’ve never played through ocarina of time, or a bunch of other games from that era

[calm nebula]

Or, MoonSlime.....

[next plaza]

Like I said, net events

[calm nebula]

What if you make a mobile app that tracks your actual irl step count

[royal stump]

I think that's another where it was like "I played 50% and watched someone else do the rest"

[next plaza]

Go check out bigger craftables

[calm nebula]

And gained agility based on that

[next plaza]

If it’s not in my mono repo abandoned folder, there’s a separate repo for it

[next plaza]

I mean I did have an RPG idea based on this at one point

[indigo yoke]

NWNs was kind of a bad game, but the building module and tools it had for players to make their own was like super great

[next plaza]

Like a classic rpg, where you used actual steps to fuel moving in game

Most of the existing stuff is all GPS based, which is eh

[indigo yoke]

the DLC for NWN tho was fantastic

[next plaza]

There’s also WalkScape now though

[calm nebula]

The game Zombies, Run! was like that

You have DLC in the year of our lord 2002

WalkScape...m

[next plaza]

I mean they were called expansion packs back then

[indigo yoke]

well. they were called expansions back then but yeah

[ornate locust]

The DLC was entire new campaigns that came with new tilesets and stuff you could use in modules

[royal stump]

we've finally reinvented the tamagotchi but with satellite data requirements

[calm nebula]

Tbh Zombies, Run was fun

Esca if I cant brag about my workouts on stava why doooo them

It doesnt count unless social media knows smh

[ornate locust]

they were definitely pretty substantial. I never played any for NWN2 though, even though one of them was supposed to be really good, because NWN2 ended with literal rocks falling and everyone dying like a parody of a bad D&D campaign

[royal stump]

i mean fair, i like exercise tie-in games, but also they're not enough to bully me into going out more

so 50/50

[next plaza]

I mean I wouldn’t call most gps walking games that. (But I’m 99% sure something like that exists)

I mean Etho made tamagotchi in MC, so anything is possible

[calm nebula]

Finch, right

That bird thing

[royal stump]

I feel like pokemon go & clones have that vibe, walk around -> collect stuff that is kind of powerups

[calm nebula]

(I don't know what tamagotchi are.)

[next plaza]

WalkScape works based on steps not GOS distance, and the world isn’t tied to the real world at all. I thought it was neat

[ornate locust]

the most surreal thing I ever saw was the after-end cards for NWN2 talking about people who I half didn't remember being sad that the party was dead and then moving on with their lives, really, who did that

[next plaza]

Yeah but will the critter die if you don’t walk?

[vernal crest]

Can I delete a trigger action?

[calm nebula]

Yes, what are you trying to do

You can also just have it marked as done

[indigo yoke]

I miss expansion packs. Most DLC now is just like.... oh a $20 skin 🤮
I miss when it was like, $20 get a 5-10 hour mini campaing with new effects, spells, and powers, things to do, ect.

[royal stump]

all the pokemon i never caught probably ate each other, nature is cruel

[vernal crest]

Monster Hutch Framework has a trigger action to send a letter to unlock the monster incubator, but I want to unlock the monster incubator via a different method so I want to yeet that trigger action.

[tight rivet]

For $39.99 (not including tax, or VAT), I can give you five talk topics!!!!

[vernal crest]

I can't figure out what I can do to delete it. Setting things to null just gives me errors.

[tight rivet]

(and a new set of skimpy outfits.)

[calm nebula]

"SkipPermanentlyCondition": "DAYS_PLAYED 59, PLAYER_STAT Current {{ModId}}_Tickets 0 0",

[tight rivet]

(that we pinky swear that aren't just pallete swaps of ones we released six months ago.)

[calm nebula]

Oh just set the id to null

Wait does that not work

[next plaza]

EverQuest 2 expansion packs would raise the level cap by 10, add a whole new continent with several overworld zones and a bunch of dungeons, and of course quests etc.

Sometimes a new place for new characters, too

[vernal crest]

Nope that doesn't work. [game] Trigger action has no ID field and will be ignored.

But the SkipPermanentlyCondition will work, thanks!

[calm nebula]

Plz show code

[vernal crest]

"juminos.MonsterHutchFramework.MonsterIncubatorTrigger": {
  "Id": null
},

[royal stump]

yeah, I forget the syntax to actually erase entries, but in theory it should succeed for any data asset
(but there are several ways to just hack a trigger off if needed)

[calm nebula]

"juminos.MonsterHutchFramework.MonsterIncubatorTrigger": null

God I'm tired. You?

[vernal crest]

Oooh I didn't realise I could just null the whole object like that thanks

[calm nebula]

Yeah

Anyways

I apologize for starting the dlc convo

It should probably be in #programmers-off-topic

[indigo yoke]

sim 2 expansion packs have like double the content of sims 4 expansions packs but sims 4 expansion packs cost more than sims 2 did

[calm nebula]

I'll go chill with the stupid green owl

[royal stump]

it's hard to move once we get started

[calm nebula]

And pretend tomorrow is a workday

[indigo yoke]

yeahhhh, times have changed

I blame it on horse armor as a joke

[calm nebula]

(It is technically a work day but many someones put too many meetings on my calendar for me to do anything and we arent busy enough for me to want to stay late after 5pm to be actually productive and not in a meeting)

[royal stump]

(also i was thinking about the sims 1 free dlc/tie-in ad, a pepsi machine)
(first actual DLC I saw & it really set the tone for the concept)

[calm nebula]

Tbh I dont know what dlc is other than the literal concept and the fact that gamers seem real mad

[royal stump]

you pay $5 to the company that made the game, and you get a first-party mod that lets you buy horse armor or w/e

[tight rivet]

depending on the company, you may get more or less

[royal stump]

or $0 for the old ones that were product placement, but now those cost money too

[indigo yoke]

hmmm, that shouldn't be too hard

[tight rivet]

paradox for example is decentish about it (their games are the problem)

but scamco will cheerfully make 20 sexy outfits for 2.99 each

[next plaza]

ugh now I gotta find which server I posted something on

[tight rivet]

beth is.. hit or miss, really.

horse armor, for example. :V

[next plaza]

oh, here

(re: horse armor and microtransactions)

[royal stump]

I've never interacted with paradox stuff since my brain's incompatible with the genre, but I hear things, yeah

[tight rivet]

the real fun is when you start looking at AAA/AAAA games

"yes, here's a 80 base game, DLC AND Microtransactions!"

Yeah, I play Stellaris and Surviving Mars

they released a rebuild of it (and gave owners 50% off) but apparently they didn't fix all of the existing bugs

which is uh..choices were definitely made there! :V

[royal stump]

I've watch some stellaris (and am watching someone play as greenland in the new europa thing)
stellaris was really tempting because of the story elements, but uh, can't RTS to save my life

[ornate locust]

shakes hand in Crusader Kings

[next plaza]

I hated it when EQ2 did this, because you also had a monthly subscription

[tight rivet]

yeah, FFXIV kept me for a while because

it was sub + microtrans + dlc

and the microtrans were entirely mostly avoidable unless you needed to race-change.

[calm nebula]

Not sure you need the DoingStuff

[next plaza]

Yes, you had to buy the game, and the expansions (though at that poiint the lately one gave you all the old ones), and have a monthly subscription, and pay to win microtransactions that not-so-gradually became insane

[ornate locust]

(Crusader Kings was the game I modded on Steam Workshop btw, didn't much like that platform for it)

[indigo yoke]

I feel it became worse overall when AAA companies started to cut base game content and reintroduced it for the DLC because they couldn't finish it for the release in time. so instead of delaying the release, they just add it in post for extra charge.

or the topic of day 1 patches that are like 20gb to fix bugs

[next plaza]

DoingStuff was to prevent infinite recursion from the callback triggering more callbacks, if I remember right

[ornate locust]

I'll mod any dang thing, I've modded a kinda janky Chinese cultivation game, I don't care, I'll mod that baby

[calm nebula]

Pretty sure those events now fire a tick after things actually change now tbh

[next plaza]

See, I don't mind it as much for FFXIV. It could be better, but coming from EQ2, it could be much worse

[tight rivet]

more bold than me, a lot of the unity games I kinda despaired at modding

[next plaza]

I've ranted about it pretty recently (I think in #programmers-off-topic )

[calm nebula]

Can you mod my work software

[tight rivet]

stares at SunnySide

[calm nebula]

Jk

[next plaza]

Really? It didn't look like that when I was in the code recently

Admittedly I didn't look too closely at the container portion

[ornate locust]

google Huh, I guess Amazing Cultivation Simulator IS a Unity game...

[calm nebula]

I know that is how inventory works

[next plaza]

Beyond what I needed for the change

[ornate locust]

It wasn't so bad though

[calm nebula]

No, smapi denounces

Debounces

Dances.

[next plaza]

I'm not talking about SMAPI though

I'm talking about the vanilla netfield events

[calm nebula]

Isn't that a smapi event

[royal stump]

another game I wanted to play but couldn't get my head around mechanically
(though I do like dwarf fort things, it's just a high learning curve)

[next plaza]

Nope

[tight rivet]

I haven't tried Amazing Cultivation Simulator. I should.

[next plaza]

I mean like someLocation.netObjects.OnElementAddedOrWhateverItsCalled += kittycathandler;

[ornate locust]

I love ACS, it's amazing how once you learn one bit of it, there's always twenty more bits to learn until you have a whole window of tabs of spreadsheets and stuff

[next plaza]

I mean, SMAPI does have an event for that nowadays I guess?

[calm nebula]

Yeah

And it looks to me like that uses that event

[next plaza]

Oh that code is literally using the SMAPI one too

Nowadays I forget about that part of SMAPI

And just prefer the netfield ones

Which is painful since I need to subscribe to every location

[calm nebula]

Photographic memory and use it badly lol

[next plaza]

(I think S&S has some code that was impacted by that oversight - specifically, the teleporter stuff)

(or had back when I worked on it anyways)

[calm nebula]

I thought amazing cultivation simulator was irl

[royal stump]

I'd say "no, plants are different" but you can infuse elemental qi into plants in that game

or so i recall from like, one person streaming it

[ornate locust]

You can uplift a plant and turn it into a person in that game if you want

[calm nebula]

(My capitalist hot take is that this is in part due to the fact that they cant raise the price of games with inflation.)

[golden basin]

Would anyone be interested in making a small c sharp component for my mod?

I dont know how simple it would be but basically i just need to assign different kissing sprites to my noc depending on their direction they are facing

[next plaza]

That and the rising cost of making games because of the obsession with super duper realer-than-reality graphics is getting higher both feel like factors.

But many cases get to the point of it just being greed.

I'm sure it'd be easy to find documentation about the profits of some gacha game for an example

[indigo yoke]

oh super easy, especially for korean ones since they are forced to by their government to post profits each month to comply with gambling laws there

[calm nebula]

Tbh the relaxing of regulations around gambling is

[next plaza]

I missed "relaxing of" and almost said "not enough"

[hard fern]

so... For mods,

[calm nebula]

Provably the worst idea of the 2010s

[hard fern]

I want to make a museum, but i don't know if i want to use the museum framework or not

[calm nebula]

Yes.

[hard fern]

Since i want to have all my items in specific wings

[indigo yoke]

Like found in 3 minutes of google

[calm nebula]

Make N maps and N museums then

[indigo yoke]

jun to july 2025 profits.
edit: sorry revenue

[hard fern]

But the wings are all (or mostly) part of one map

So i had thought of maybe doing something with unlockable bundles instead, where players could submit items to each exhibit, and then it would be displayed the next day

[calm nebula]

I wasn't ever a sports person but sports betting has absolutely ruined everything

God.

[next plaza]

I really need to sleep

[golden basin]

So anyone interested in maybe a skill trade situation?

[indigo yoke]

skill trade?

[golden basin]

yeah like I need someone who can code something in c# and in return ill make assets for them for their mod?

[hard fern]

Im sure there's people who take c# conms, right?

[golden basin]

i dont know if that would be a equal trade though im just spit balling

[upbeat zephyr]

sorry i just woke up again </3
I tried this, but its still saying this ?

[indigo yoke]

maybe. tho I am still currently editing the NPC gifts tastes in a horrible way in my mod since I can't figure out how to properly edit the assets in the asset event xD

[upbeat zephyr]

aw my replyy

[hard fern]

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[hard fern]

Show your full manifest?

[upbeat zephyr]

i meant to ping someone from earlier dang

what a fool i am

i shall grab 1 sec-

[royal stump]

the GNMTokens mod needs to be required, if you're doing it via manifest
(which also means the mod won't work unless that's installed, to be clear)

[royal stump]

CP won't let anything use optional tokens without requiring them to exist first, either with HasMod checks or that

[hard fern]

????

Why is this in json assets

[upbeat zephyr]

uh

[vernal crest]

Does Json Assets add dialogue of any kind?

[hard fern]

It shouldn't

[upbeat zephyr]

the person earlier said to um

use the json assets i think ?

[uncut viper]

you add the dependency to your mod

[upbeat zephyr]

im sorry, im so embarrassed

[vernal crest]

You'd add the dependency to Make Gil Read and Make Gunther Real

(It is editing other people's mods, not making its own.)

[latent mauve]

I appreciate that typo, give Gil books

[upbeat zephyr]

i didnt understand earlier, they said json manifest so i did the json manifest

[indigo yoke]

like here is where I am at but the event is never called for NPCgifttastes (testing vs vanilla) so atm it is never implemented.

[hard fern]

Ok i think that's the problem. They didn't mean json assets. Json is how everything is written

[uncut viper]

json is a file type, and the manifest is a .json file

[vernal crest]

Every mod has a manifest and it's all .json files

[uncut viper]

like how .png or .txt are file types

[upbeat zephyr]

sorry

[uncut viper]

(more accurately json is a data notation language or whatever but its file type is "json"

[upbeat zephyr]

i thought they meant the one mod specifically, didnt understand

[latent mauve]

In unrelated news, I now want a mod that gives Gil random dialogue lines about the latest issue of a book or magazine he has been reading.

[hard fern]

Does gil read better homes and gardens

[latent mauve]

I'm already cozy and winding down for sleep, but maybe another day I can code a thing xD

Forsy, he could easily comment on the vanilla combat or mining power books, but coming up with fake publication names has potential

[hard fern]

Lol for a moment i didn't realize you were talking to me and was just commenting on bugs

[latent mauve]

Haha, it took a minute to click that "wait, Forsy is the consistent part of their name"

[quasi wigeon]

he's gotta be doing something in that rocking chair all day

[latent mauve]

He could be the stereotypical guy who's watching you behind the newspaper

[upbeat zephyr]

is it supposed to look like this ?

im sorry for all the stupid questions, i try learning it on my own but the language barrier makes it harder for me, is my first time modding stardew

[uncut viper]

it must be placed after the "ContentPackFor" braces

with a comma after said braces

"ContentPackFor": {
  "UniqueId": "Pathoschild.ContentPatcher",
},
"Dependencies": [
  {
  ...
  }
]

[upbeat zephyr]

ohh

[quasi wigeon]

idle question: is there any code difference between grapes you forage and grapes you grow on the vine?

[hard fern]

One is forage, one is a crop. They're both the same grape

[upbeat zephyr]

so like this ? :)

[hard fern]

Missing a }

[uncut viper]

make sure theres still a } at the very end of the file to match the opening one at the very start

[upbeat zephyr]

oh yes yes youre right

[hard fern]

Actually looks like missing more than one }

Wait no i can't count

[upbeat zephyr]

oh no :(

[uncut viper]

just the one brace

[upbeat zephyr]

oh so its good now then ?

[uncut viper]

assuming you added the brace

[upbeat zephyr]

thank you all

yes i did

[uncut viper]

then yeah, that mod will now successfully no longer load without GNMT Tokens

and Content Patcher won't complain if it uses GNMT tokens

[quasi wigeon]

so, they give you different xp points (because the action is different), but they're the same item in your inventory?

i ask bc in my slightly more ambitious wine mod dreams i thought it'd be neat if you could make red or white grape wines

though thinking about it further just making green grapes and red grapes different crops would make more sense

[hard fern]

Well i think growing the grapes for your wine would make sense, since thats how vineyards do it

[quasi wigeon]

also true, but sdv already fudges realism in some major ways, so I'm not too fussed about it

though i am fussed about "potato juice"? listen,

[upbeat zephyr]

unrelated but jonathan pfp...omg,,,

[quasi wigeon]

HAHA oh hi!

DIOOOOOO

[upbeat zephyr]

HAHAHA

JOJOOOO

[hard fern]

Potato juice...

[latent mauve]

Look, we all know what Pam actually wanted, so it was perfect that the farmer fell short with 'juice'

[steel beacon]

Hello, everyone! I have a question about the Seed Maker. I know that in vanilla, it does not permit fruit tree saplings from being made. I have created two fruit tress, one that yields a flower. I have created custom rules for seed maker that are visible in Lookup Anything. Yet, it will not accept the input. I have removed any context tags on the fruit that label it as a fruit tree. I have seen other mods do this with only Content Patcher. Does anybody have any ideas on how to proceed? Thanks in advance.

[brittle pasture]

!json post code pls

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[brittle pasture]

also removing the tag doesn't do anything

the seedmaker checks Data/Crops directly; fruit trees don't work because they're not crops

(what's likely happening is that your output rule is being checked after the vanilla "catch everything" rule, and said rule doesn't give an output item for your fruits so it returns nothing)

(you need to use MoveEntries to move your rule to the top)

[upbeat zephyr]

WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS FIXED NOOO

gunther stop misgendering me pelase

[steel beacon]

Thanks a trillion, @brittle pasture ! The MoveEntries was the thing I was missing!

[upbeat zephyr]

i changed everything in the make __ real mods but he still cALLS ME MS

[hard fern]

You sure you changed everything? Check again

[upbeat zephyr]

i did the patch summary asset "Characters/Dialogue/Gunther" in the smapi window and i am very confused

[upbeat zephyr]

i did

[vernal crest]

Do a direct search for that exact line in your mods folder using find in files

[upbeat zephyr]

find in files...

[hard fern]

Do a patch export? Then you can see what exactly you missed maybe

[upbeat zephyr]

uh

[vernal crest]

You need a text editor like Notepad++ or Sublime. Then you can use it to search the content inside the files in any folder you want

[upbeat zephyr]

ohh okay i have notepad++

[vernal crest]

Don't bother with the patch export because that won't tell you which mod it's from (sorry Forsy!)

[hard fern]

Oh

I had assumed it was a minimal mod test

[vernal crest]

Ok if you hit ctrl f it will open the search window and then you can go to the find in files tab

[uncut viper]

well patch export would export the dialogue as it is after all the edits, but we can already tell it says "Ms." somewhere bc he says it right there

[hard fern]

I may be stupid

[vernal crest]

Xei are playing the game and editing the pronouns for xeir personal use (I hope that's the right way to use those pronouns ginger)

[uncut viper]

everyone may be stupid from time to time but i wouldnt call this one of those times

thinking of the usual troubleshooting steps = not stupid

[hard fern]

Promouns...

[vernal crest]

I hate phones

[upbeat zephyr]

yes, thank you !

tho i also use it/its if thats easier :)

thats what im changing it to in-game anyways, lol

[vernal crest]

I know, I used its before ^_^. I like to rotate between pronouns if people have multiple listed

[upbeat zephyr]

thank you :)))

[lucid iron]

to test a token's values, you can do patch parse "{{thetoken}}"

[upbeat zephyr]

also, i was doing the search for this specific dialogue but when i press find all, it just opens a blank directory and am kind of confused, lol

[lucid iron]

if this gives the expected then ur misteak is the data edit

[vernal crest]

Press the three dots button

[uncut viper]

tell it to do that not me

[upbeat zephyr]

yes...

[lucid iron]

button whenever i type button meaning the object discord asks if i should ping u

[uncut viper]

you should

[hard fern]

Button 🔘

[uncut viper]

say yes to ping discord ask you ping button yes ping me

[upbeat zephyr]

oh goodness this might take a while-

i have 2 hits

OH MY GOD...IT WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME

[hard fern]

Oop

[upbeat zephyr]

i was looking in the content file not the regular dialogue file...

im such a fool

BUT

now i know

LOL

[vernal crest]

And now you know how to find other stuff like this in future as well

Find in files is an incredibly useful tool

[upbeat zephyr]

what does 'wrap around' mean with ctrl+h ?

[hard fern]

Text wrapping

[upbeat zephyr]

sorry, i do all my coding (for HTML/CSS) in russian, these terms are new to me

[hard fern]

Makes it so all the text is visible instead of the horizontal scroll bar

[upbeat zephyr]

ohh okay

the translation gets lost in my head sometimes, haha

[upbeat zephyr]

oh no ;;

what did i miss...

[hard fern]

🤔 i dunno.

Maybe you messed up the token

[upbeat zephyr]

?

[hard fern]

Oh. Hm it just ate the whole first part

[upbeat zephyr]

yeah idk why

[uncut viper]

what json is that from?

[upbeat zephyr]

i copied the token right from the tutorial

[upbeat zephyr]

gunther's dialogue

[uncut viper]

what json is that dialogue in? is it a content.json (or included file) or directly in the i18n?

[hard fern]

Wait is that json Load-ed? Vs Include

[upbeat zephyr]

uhm

[uncut viper]

that is also important to check

[upbeat zephyr]

i dont...know what that means

but its a dialogue json file

[uncut viper]

this is Make Gunther Real?

[upbeat zephyr]

yyes

[uncut viper]

the name of the json file itself is irrelevant

[upbeat zephyr]

sorry these are new terms to me

[uncut viper]

it does appear to be a Loaded file

[hard fern]

You can't use tokens in loaded files afaik

[uncut viper]

correct

[upbeat zephyr]

oh uh

[uncut viper]

you will have to change the Load patch to an EditData patch

[upbeat zephyr]

how do you do that ?

[uncut viper]

in the content.json file, you should be able to see under the // D I A L O G U E section where there is a Load action

[upbeat zephyr]

yes i see it

[uncut viper]

you can either change the entire thing to an EditData action, like some of the other dialogue edits beneath that, or edit only the individual lines you're using tokens for

either way you'd need to copy the relevant lines from the dialogue.json into the EditData patch

it'll need to all be formatted like the EditData patch expects, whicxh you can read that link to see how its done and follow the other examples inside the mod already to do

[upbeat zephyr]

alright, i can try

this got so confusing ;;

[uncut viper]

i believe in you

[upbeat zephyr]

thank you ;;

[uncut viper]

you can basically copy paste the patch starting on line 147 (assuming you're using something like Notepad++ that tells you line numbers), remove the line that has the "When": {"HasSeenEvent": "..."}, part, and then change the keys inside the patch to whichever ones you're changing

for example the one you were editing in dialogue.json is the "Fri" key so you can just do this:

{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Characters/Dialogue/Gunter",
  "Entries": {
    "Fri": "Happy Friday, {{Hana.GNMTokens/Title}} @! [...]",
  }
},

if you are editing more than just the "Fri" dialogue then you can just add them directly beneath the "Fri" line inside the same patch

[upbeat zephyr]

okay uh

wait sorry just because im kind of confused-

which...file am i editing LOL

[uncut viper]

content.json

[upbeat zephyr]

okay i thought so just wanted to make sure

so starting at line 147 in the content.json one

desperately tried translating into russian and shrimply confused myself more

[hard fern]

[upbeat zephyr]

IM NERVOUS

[hard fern]

Maybe just try and get everything working in english before translating to russian?

[upbeat zephyr]

reading in two different languages and both are awful

no no that is issue lol

i tried to take the instructions i was given, but translate to russian to see if i could understand it better

but i absolutely do not LOL

not translating the mods themselves

[hard fern]

Ohh

[woeful lintel]

Machine translating is nor good at technical stuff

[hard fern]

I think you can just do the whole editdata thing instead of just changing individual lines, if that's easier

?

[uncut viper]

you can put it at line 147 and move the other patch down, but i only called out that line in particular because that had an example you could look at for help

[upbeat zephyr]

okay

[uncut viper]

the whole editdata thing would just involve copy pasting every single line in dialogue.json anyway

[upbeat zephyr]

ahh

[uncut viper]

i dont see any other dialogue that uses gendered terminology in the content.json so i dont think it really matters where you place this new EditData patch

since it wont matter when the rest of the edits are applied since you wont care about them anyway

[upbeat zephyr]

okay so just slap that in there ?

[uncut viper]

as long as you dont mess up the braces

or commas

[upbeat zephyr]

okay,,,,,,,

lets see if i can

lol

[uncut viper]

i would still opt to put it in the dialogue section just so its where its relevant

but thats up to you

[upbeat zephyr]

yeah

so instead of having each individual dialogue line, i just put

{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Characters/Dialogue/Gunther",
}
},

or am i wildly wrong

[hard fern]

You misspelled his name

[uncut viper]

it should look exactly like what i wrote above

[upbeat zephyr]

oop

[hard fern]

It's spelled Gunther, with an h,

[upbeat zephyr]

HEY HEY I COPIED WHAT THE OTHER PERSON SAID

[hard fern]

(button you spelled it wrong too)

[upbeat zephyr]

BUTTON SPELT IT WRONG NOT ME /lh

LMAO

BUT

with his name spelt correctly, is that all i have to put in ?

[uncut viper]

ok so 99% exactly how i wrote it

that will be all you need to edit that Friday dialogue specifically yes

[upbeat zephyr]

okay so i do have to edit it all individually asjhfahsf

alright

[uncut viper]

you only have to add and edit the lines that you are trying to use tokens in

as opposed to removing the Load patch and then copying the entire dialogue.json which has many lines that do not need tokens at all because you are not touching them

[upbeat zephyr]

okay so, after the dialogue bit in the content.json, i add what you wrote and also include every instance of the GMNT being used

that is...actually a lot easier

[uncut viper]

if you have any other dialogue that you've added the tokens to, yeah

[upbeat zephyr]

okay !

[drowsy pewter]

for my item that disappears when using it to learn a recipe, but needs to stop disappearing once you run out of recipes to learn from it, i cant decide if it's better to set ConsumeForTriggerAction to false and use RemoveItem to deduct one item (maybe deducting the 'wrong' stack if the player has multiple stacks of items in their inventory), or set ConsumeForTriggerAction to true and use AddItem to return the item if you have no more usage for it... again maybe returning an item in the 'wrong' slot or with a different quality

sigh...

[upbeat zephyr]

theres so much i have to copy ouh my gOD

[hard fern]

and then once you're done you have to do it with every other mod you want to edit :D fun

[upbeat zephyr]

i have 4 more dayum mawds

good lawd

[woeful lintel]

If this is about a frontend for SV mods SinZ mentionned, I am also very interested

[upbeat zephyr]

are there too many brackets i cant count-

[hard fern]

have you considered the json validator

!json

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[golden basin]

try also using sublime to write your code with instead of note pad?

[upbeat zephyr]

o

FVSJHGJVFSH

[hard fern]

also you gunther's name is still missing the h 😔

[upbeat zephyr]

fork

dangit

oh i closed it without saving it again

universe telling me to restart

HJBGSFHJGSF

[golden basin]

sublime auto saves

[hard fern]

i wonder if abby would like other purple gemstones, as opposed to just amethyst

[golden basin]

they all taste like purple

[hard fern]

well, abby doesnt actually eat amethysts

that dialogue line only applies to liked gifts

[golden basin]

im mostly just joking

[drowsy pewter]

I wonder how I can put a quest dropbox indicator on a map tile when it's not a special order maybe spacecore hd texture overlay

[dusky sail]

Im not sure if abigail knows the difference between different gemstones. She just sees the amethyst and goes "haha thats me-colored!!"

[uncut viper]

animated tile map patch perhaps

[drowsy pewter]

the indicator itself is not a higher resolution, but the up and down motion is a sine wave

[dusky sail]

I cant say for certain but i feel like most people wouldnt even notice the animation being a little different. Unless there was this and a special order dropbox right next to it

[gentle rose]

oh I know that indicator. good old 6x10 from cursors

[drowsy pewter]

its from cursors2!

[gentle rose]

I use it in map event markers

[drowsy pewter]

Anyways I realized I have to draw her blinking. Maybe I'll just animate some leaf or something waving on top of tthe dropbox to draw attention to it, so both of the animations can be done in the same way

[hard fern]

🤔 ok so i want gemstones. but i dont want them to just like. show up in the minerals section. i know changing the category makes them like, behave. but i still want like, the "mineral" category. i heard spacecore could do some magic..? but idk how that works

[brave fable]

could you try using Category: -12 (minerals) but something other than Type: Minerals?

[drowsy pewter]

i did that but it still caused my thing to show up in mineral collection

[brave fable]

and with the not_museum_donatable context tag?

the decompile messes up the collectionspage constructor hahah, it checks for both ("Minerals" or -12) and is donatable

(obviously this will not help if you want to add them to a custom museum, but then you're just being weird)

[drowsy pewter]

i believe that at the time not_museum_donatable did not remove things from the collection, and i do not know if it has changed in the last couple months

so both workarounds would have to be implemented to make it work, you're saying?

[brave fable]

oh? i'm looking at my 1.6.15 decompile, not the 1.6.16 alpha

just the context tag, the others will be ignored if the item isn't donatable

[drowsy pewter]

from selph in may this year

(believe me, I did try, and then had to revert the change after a month of people constantly reporting the issue)

[brave fable]

was that not fixed between 1.6.9 and 1.6.15?

[drowsy pewter]

when was 1.6.15?

[brave fable]

before may this year, but he did only mention 1.6.9

[dusky sail]

This entire convo is making me go "how tf did i do it then..." bc i swear i got minerals to say theyre minerals but not be in the collection

[brave fable]

in any case i thought the issue was that the minerals do show up in the collection

[dusky sail]

But i could be misremembering and its gonna drive me insane bc i cant check

[hard fern]

i do want to add them to a custom museum but i think im going to do crimes for that part anyways

[drowsy pewter]

maybe another C# person can elucidate when they're here

[brave fable]

you want donatable minerals that don't tell you they're donatable

[dusky sail]

Donateable but not to gunther

Bc screw that guy or something /silly

[hard fern]

:) it's a secret

[brave fable]

best watch your words, cowboy

[dusky sail]

Im sorry gunther i didnt mean it

[hard fern]

but yeah i just don't want them bluttering up the vanilla minerals menu

[dusky sail]

Ill expand my museum extension as apology just give me six months to a year

[brave fable]

careful you don't find the sewer locked behind you one of these days

[hard fern]

since im going to be using them for. crimes

[brave fable]

yeah i get it, i avoid adding anything to the collections menu in all of my mods. but unless oclarina has some insight, it's checking for the minerals type, the minerals category, the (O) type identifier, donatable or archaeology or minerals context tag

so it's pretty thorough about adding your item

my surefire suggestion is to make your gemstones fish instead, which will move them out of the minerals collection 🤝

[dusky sail]

I will have insight in 3 hours at the soonest unfortunately

[hard fern]

wow, how splendid

fish is rocks

[brave fable]

see: stonefish

[hard fern]

can you spot the off center one

[dusky sail]

Bc i swear this is what i did and it worked. Did i lie to myself did it not work. Did i do something else in addition. Im losin it

Specifically i changed them to type: basic but idk.

[dusky sail]

I cant find the off center one im too busy going "whoa look ametrine"

[hard fern]

XD

[brave fable]

i, too, could have solved this mystery hours ago if i wasn't thinking about the ametrine

[obtuse wigeon]

I genuinely cannot see the off centre one at all, they all look pretty central to me

[dusky sail]

The fifth one is off center but it doesnt count bc it has an odd-number width and can never be perfectly centered

[hard fern]

tell me why i made so many diamonds

[drowsy pewter]

I can't, i dont know

[hallow prism]

because they are shiny

oh my name is shiny too

[obtuse wigeon]

Wwww fancy name

[hard fern]

calcareous concretions...

[obtuse wigeon]

Ooo I love the name

[hallow prism]

(did you got an answer on that?)

[hard fern]

🤔 uhh

more or less?

the answer was to just make my gems fish

[hallow prism]

what???

[hard fern]

fish

[hallow prism]

i have an urgent thing to do that requires me to escape this place, sorry bye bye bye

[hard fern]

uh oh, good luck

[hallow prism]

joke aside, make them something neutral (there are a few basic things that are not displaying any category) and use spacecore category display override to show them as "mineral" but maybe in a slight different color so they are not confused with classic mineral

(a light purple maybe)

[obtuse wigeon]

Calcifer also have category overrides too if that's already a dependency

[hallow prism]

        {
            "LogName": "Custom Categories",
            "Action": "EditData",
            "Target": "spacechase0.SpaceCore/ObjectExtensionData",
            "Entries": {
                "{{ModId}}_BlackChanterelle": {
                    "CategoryTextOverride": "{{i18n:MtVapiusMushroom}}",
                    "CategoryColorOverride": {
                        "R": 120,
                        "G": 56,
                        "B": 0,
                        "A": 255
                    },
                },
                "{{ModId}}_Porchini": {
                    "CategoryTextOverride": "{{i18n:MtVapiusMushroom}}",
                    "CategoryColorOverride": {
                        "R": 120,
                        "G": 56,
                        "B": 0,
                        "A": 255
                    },
                },
                "{{ModId}}_WoodgoatMushroom": {
                    "CategoryTextOverride": "{{i18n:MtVapiusMushroom}}",
                    "CategoryColorOverride": {
                        "R": 120,
                        "G": 56,
                        "B": 0,
                        "A": 255
                    },
                },
                "{{ModId}}_Basil": {
                    "CategoryTextOverride": "{{i18n:MtVapiusHerb}}",
                    "CategoryColorOverride": {
                        "R": 129,
                        "G": 125,
                        "B": 4,
                        "A": 255
                    },
                }
            }
        },```

[hard fern]

ahh

fancy

[hallow prism]

it can also easily be an optional thing if you don't use either yet, because worse thing is that if it's not installed, it just will not display anything special, so players will not miss a lot

[drowsy pewter]

the only thing stopping me rn is that the categorytextoverride does not take localizedtext currently, which is something i want to ask casey for before i do for my own items

[indigo yoke]

how would I go about editing this field with content patcher (to add on more recopies)?
Currently trying this atm and it isnt working

{
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "Mods/leclair.bettercrafting/CraftingStations",
    "TextOperations": [
        {
            "Operation": "Append",
            "Target": [ "Entries", "moonslime.Bibliocraft.Pen_Pal_Desk", "Recipes" ],
            "Value": "moonslime.Bibliocraft.letter_Victor",
            "Delimiter": "," 
        }
    ]
}

[drowsy pewter]

its not a text operation, do what you would do for adding a context tag to an item

[indigo yoke]

I use C# to add context tags to items

[drowsy pewter]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Context_Tags this has example for doing so; scroll down

[indigo yoke]

okay ty~

[drowsy pewter]

textoperations is for editing within a single string btw

[indigo yoke]

"cute_fish_item": "cute_fish_item" that's kind of weird, just double field to add it when it's a single thing

maybe that is why I thought it had to be a text operation

[drowsy pewter]

because cp needs a key to add it but theres no keys in that type of list

You can also do "-1": "value" to add to the first position (add value at -1 position on the list), or any number really, this was what had to be done before cp added the value doubling feature

[indigo yoke]

okies

so basically what I had the first time before second guessing myself and didnt test in game before doing textoperation

{
    "Action": "EditData",
    "Target": "Mods/leclair.bettercrafting/CraftingStations",
    "TargetField": [ "moonslime.Bibliocraft.Pen_Pal_Desk", "Recipes" ],
    "Entries": {
        "moonslime.Bibliocraft.letter_robin": "moonslime.Bibliocraft.letter_robin"
    }
}

hmmm

[05:44:06 WARN  Content Patcher] Can't apply data patch "(CP) Bibliocraft Skill > Include Data/SVE/StationData.json > EditData Mods/leclair.bettercrafting/CraftingStations > entry #1" to Mods/leclair.bettercrafting/CraftingStations: this asset is a data model, which doesn't allow adding new entries. The entry 'moonslime.Bibliocraft.letter_Victor' isn't defined in the model, must be one of: .

time to put random stuff till I figure it out

[lucid mulch]

What does the asset look like prior to your edit

[indigo yoke]

?

[lucid mulch]

🙁 Khloe why did you make it an array and not a list

[indigo yoke]

so there won't be a way to patch the data?

(sorry for assuming the worse, just looking at the frownie face)

[lucid mulch]

You could replace the recipes array with a new one, but inserting/modifying/removing an entry into its not happening

[indigo yoke]

kk

so going into some investigation. it seems that the station won't crash if I put recipes that arent loaded on the list.

still sad it can't be modified, since I wanted people be able to CP their npcs onto the station if they wanted to

[iron ridge]

if you already have a c# component you could make your own target that just patches bettercrafting's asset

[lucid mulch]

Or see if you can get a better crafting update to change it from a string[] to List<string> so it can be editable

[calm nebula]

[dusky sail]

insight time

setting type to "basic" and category to -12 works i think. at least it did for me 🤷‍♂️

i cant find anything else in my code that would effect it but. the rocks have the purple mineral text. and they cant be donated and dont show up in the gem collection tab

@hard fern just to make sure you see this

[drowsy pewter]

looking back at my github history, i was using the -2 category for gems, and did not have a museum donatable tag (but it was not donateable, i assume because the type was basic)

whatever selph has been saying had me convinced it was an issue being solved in 1.6.16

[brave fable]

alright i've gotta say i didn't want the mod author or local legend roles but goddamn the mod author legend role is mint

[drowsy pewter]

yeah it kinda makes me want to post here continuously for every hour of my life to get xp

[obtuse wigeon]

Whats the qualification for it? local legend and mod author?

Oh wait ignore me, I see it, I was just blind when I read it earlier

[calm nebula]

Pomodoro!

[dusky sail]

ah yes i also had issues with the gem category as opposed to the mineral category. odd. but i just set all of mine to minerals to avoid it

[drowsy pewter]

Wow

I had like two months of bug reports for no reason then

[vernal crest]

Oh man I still have 1,248 levels to go 😭

[obtuse wigeon]

At least you're 7x closer than I am XD

[vernal crest]

I need more people to come and ask help with modding things that I can answer!

Or I could go back to tech support...

I don't think I want the role that much

[obtuse wigeon]

How do I do <X> so that it changes to <Y> only using <W> and not using Content Patcher or C#

[vernal crest]

I was going to say it's okay you're new here but you joined in 2022!

[obtuse wigeon]

I have been around for a decent amount of time but I never interacted XD

My first mod was made in april 2024 which is when I actually started interacting somewhat here, I still feel very new however XD

[tiny zealot]

aba we are nearly the same level 🤝
(i also don't do a lot of modded tech support these days...)

[obtuse wigeon]

I looked at a few then quickly noped out of there, I get enough of my own tech support to solve XD

[rain bronze]

[livid kite]

216... _been here since '21

Going be another 10 years at this rate

[next plaza]

that is new, compared to some of us

wait are you telling me it's not 2023 anymore

Been here since 2016

[obtuse wigeon]

thats so so long

[livid kite]

I didn't even know discord was a thing in 2016

[vernal crest]

I joined at the end of April 2024 so Atlas has a significant lead on me

[drowsy pewter]

.q 6480

[gentle rose]

:(

[drowsy pewter]

[next plaza]

Is uber down again

.q

Remind me in 5 seconds to be happy uber isn't down

[gentle rose]

:((

[next plaza]

Uber was down a day or two ago too

Is uber dying

[livid kite]

Funny enough I only started talking back in '23, so I've been lurking for two whole two years before actually talking

[next plaza]

Are we gonna lose all our quotes

[livid kite]

At least the governor works?

[drowsy pewter]

it was like the only relevant time i could use q 6480

[obtuse wigeon]

I wonder what quote 1224 is

we need a seance to bring back uber at least temporarily

[vernal crest]

I started talking on the day that I joined and I haven't stopped :D

[next plaza]

Through the power of discord search.

[drowsy pewter]

Oh

[next plaza]

I don't see how that fits though

[drowsy pewter]

it shares the date of when it was quoted

(that was one of the first messages i made in this server, thought it would show the date)

[next plaza]

Ah

Well I can jump to the original

[drowsy pewter]

the moment... its passed 🌬️

[next plaza]

I don't think I realized you've been around that long

[vernal crest]

But that's before the join date on your profile???

[drowsy pewter]

I took breaks from modding (came and went)

[next plaza]

Yeah, same here

[iron ridge]

@moiph I know you left but uber dB pls

[next plaza]

The uberbot dev was here at one point?

[iron ridge]

Oh the list page contains all them I could just make a script to export

[next plaza]

I mean, I was friends with a former modder who knew them

[iron ridge]

Yeah they were a junimo I think?

[next plaza]

Haven't talked to them in ages though

(ages = before I changed my username)

[drowsy pewter]

you made the giant crop framework for me in jan 2020!

6 years

[iron ridge]

#bulletin-board message yep

Also surprised to see we have a mutual friend lol

[next plaza]

...oh right, I guess that was for you

[iron ridge]

(Entirely unrelated to sdv)

[drowsy pewter]

I'm chopped liver to her

[next plaza]

In my defense, my sense of longterm time is almost as bad as my ability to remember names correctly

[next plaza]

I mean I said "friends with a former modder who knew them", not "friends with them" 😛

She ended up becoming a junimo too, though. (eemie)

[iron ridge]

No I mean I'm just surprised I personally have a mutual friend on discord with moiph

[next plaza]

(I was gonna say "also we didn't talk much then" but I'm suddenly remembering you were on the PPJA (RIP) server as well)

[drowsy pewter]

rip

[next plaza]

ah

[drowsy pewter]

but yeah we didnt talk much at that time, you were a celebrity modder in my eyes

[next plaza]

I got farmer of the week once!
https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/137350419121700864/351156491874729984

[livid kite]

I have over 1000+ messages, idk if I'm willing to search that far back on my phone

[next plaza]

I hear that occasionally when I do finally get to talk to various people consistently and it's still incomprehensible to me

[next plaza]

I mean discord search has a sort by oldest

[livid kite]

On the phone? I didn't see it

[next plaza]

My oldest message is 4/03/2017, but I don't think that's right. Probably because #multiplayer-mod got abolished. https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/298617351597850624

I've chatted here a bit

Oldest mention of me on the server:

Also, I just realized that three heart dance partner came out only 4 days before makeshift MP did

I doubt I made the entire mod in 4 days though

[obtuse wigeon]

Oof my first message was immediately a mistake posting into the wrong channel XD

[gentle rose]

is uber still down?

[next plaza]

So I guess stardewMP really was my first mod

.q

[obtuse wigeon]

.wolfram 2 cm to inches

yes

[patent lance]

0.7874 inches

[obtuse wigeon]

No!

[next plaza]

!

.q

remind me in 5 seconds to be confused

[livid kite]

I think I found my first message, and it was back in '21?! #archived-modded-support message

[obtuse wigeon]

Hmm

[next plaza]

.cat

[obtuse wigeon]

well wolfram works

[gentle rose]

because just for you casey

[next plaza]

.8ball is uber going to work soon

[calm nebula]

No

[next plaza]

2022 casey what were you doing

[obtuse wigeon]

Causal mmg talk that is

[livid kite]

Casey telling everyone her crimes

[obtuse wigeon]

We have seen that be true time and time again XD

[blissful panther]

See: Any one of the various crime threads Casey has.

[next plaza]

three months ago casey what were you doing

So many good quotes that I didn't share (because they weren't as criminal sounding)

[livid kite]

Casey lore:

• Kirby Air Raiders fan
• Loves crimes
• possible corpse eater???

[blissful panther]

Here's a quote nobody here can see directly.

I remember that typo.

[next plaza]

some other standouts

[iron ridge]

So who wants to selfhost uber

[next plaza]

And this one nexus DM which will always be a classic to me (even if it is actually pretty recent)

[obtuse wigeon]

I can't imagine where the type is like at all XD

[blissful panther]

It was meant to be thoughts!

[iron ridge]

Thighs/thoughts

[obtuse wigeon]

Ohhh that makes more sense XD

[next plaza]

Clearly, DH's thoughts always have thighs involved

[iron ridge]

I knew I'd have a use for this

[obtuse wigeon]

Thighs should be in everyones thoughts, specifically when they are from a chicken, and cooked nicely

[next plaza]

You might think it weird that atra has more quoted messages than me

But consider: I'm likely the most avid quoter here, and I usually refrain from quoting myself

...to be fair atra also seems to have a lot of utility quotes, from back before we could make commands

[blissful panther]

Exactly!

[next plaza]

The murder spree quote was one of my rare self quotes

Because nobody else would do it

(it was talking about harmony patching your brain, leading to cloning / consciousness transference and backups)

[gentle rose]

the opensource version isn’t the real version 😔 missing like half the features

[iron ridge]

[obtuse wigeon]

wouldn't be too hard to remake it at all! such an easy thing to do

(I tried, its so time consuming)

[blissful panther]

Well, that sounds like volunteering to me.

I nominate this library.

[gentle rose]

proof that rust users are worse than arch users

[obtuse wigeon]

I nominate a custom Lua library

for the sole reason of I like Lua a lot

[vernal crest]

You were a celebrity to me when I joined as well! Now I casually namedrop you to other people instead :D

[blissful panther]

(Same, for the record. )

[autumn tide]

That was me with EVERYONE 😭

[next plaza]

I have heard this from at least three different people before today, so I'm not too surprised

at least four* actually (forgot literally the first person, since she hasn't modded or even been in this server in a while)

[vernal crest]

I also went and bragged to my wife the first time Pathos talked to me xD

[next plaza]

sees language of repo

hisses

[autumn tide]

LMAO

[rain bronze]

i know someone whos both an arch user and rust user

[next plaza]

Also, to be fair, despite being around for as long as Pathos, I was kinda anxious/avoiding reaching out to pathos as well

[vernal crest]

Never cared about a single actual celebrity in my life but prominent Stardew modmakers 😍

[next plaza]

For a little while

[rain bronze]

very annoying person to deal with sometimes

[autumn tide]

I brought it up to my friends that this server basically lets you chat with some of the most famous SDV modders on here cause I was so shocked-

[next plaza]

For me, the old "top modding trio" used to be:

• Pathos (still around, and still the top to me
• Entoarox (not really around I think? and hasn't done anything interesting for mods that I've seen in ages, but Advanced Location Loader was a pretty big deal back then)
• Routine / Platonymous (not really around)

[autumn tide]

Tbf this is genuinely a much healthier creator-consumer relationship than like the vast majority of fan communities

[blissful panther]

I do think Pathos is a very good candidate for that spot, though. What is working directly on Stardew if not hyper-modding?

[wanton pebble]

the deep lore of stardew modding, huh

[blissful panther]

And how Pathos technically didn't create SMAPI being the big one that gets people.

[autumn tide]

Oh? I didn’t know that lol

[wanton pebble]

My (modding) life is a lie! XD

[brittle pasture]

Rust mentioned

[vernal crest]

I know I have read who made it on his patreon but I forget

[autumn tide]

Tis a mystery

[iron ridge]

ClxS

or zoryn4163, both major contributors can't tell which was the original person

ah zoryn4163 was initial commit

[autumn tide]

Huh

Good to know ig lol

[iron ridge]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/commit/9cfae22fb95eff02d3c811626af96aa840716f2b

[calm nebula]

Serenity

[pine elbow]

What are Examples of a Mod ID?

[calm nebula]

So much better than discord

[brittle pasture]

the unique id field in their manifest

most people use AuthorName.ModName

[calm nebula]

Rust mentioned

[obtuse wigeon]

I have also done that too for so many people here XD (not to your wife though, that would be odd)

[next plaza]

hey now I work directly on stardew too

[tiny zealot]

(and so should you! the convention works best if everyone follows it)

[blissful panther]

And you're pretty well tied with Pathos in my mind for that spot!

[next plaza]

I might've even done contract work before Pathos! (just not long term contract work)

[calm nebula]

Got it

Using the literal string "AuthorName.ModName"

[calm nebula]

And you make cool mods

[autumn tide]

Same here! But pathos is more ✨elusive and mysterious✨ so they get more mystique LOL

[blissful panther]

And do cool crimes.

[autumn tide]

Iconic tbh-

[next plaza]

So what y'all are saying is pathos is top for things above board, and I'm top for the coding underworld

[blissful panther]

...Stardew modder alignment chart when?

[calm nebula]

You do it

Where does aethenorn fit

[calm nebula]

I was gonna make a unicode joke but pathos blocks unicode

[next plaza]

Definitely the chaotic side

[pine elbow]

How do I spawn in a custom machine to see if it works?

[calm nebula]

debug fin

[calm nebula]

The only one I overlapped with is you

Lol

And I've also been effectively retired for 2+ years

[brittle pasture]

alternatively use CJB Item Spawner

[calm nebula]

Sorry, you and Pathos

[brittle pasture]

it, CJB Cheats and Lookup Anything (among others) are crucial debugger mods

[pine elbow]

where do I put this?

Failed parsing fin (FuzzyItemNamed) command: required index 1 (string itemId) not found (list has a single value at index 0)

[pine elbow]

this is what it tells me

[brittle pasture]

you also need the item id

[pine elbow]

where would I input the item ID?

[brittle pasture]

as the next argument after the command

debug fin itemid

(or just use CJB Item Spawner)

[pine elbow]

The Item's name is stone mill but its not in the CJB Item Spawner

[brittle pasture]

hmm mayhaps you misspelled something or it's not added properly? either way try the command then

[pine elbow]

am I allowd to send content.json files though this server?

[brittle pasture]

!json sure we do it all the time, but use this link

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[pine elbow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/f532c0d11fc8442a9878161fdf5b701e

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/c7d37ad458e24b4d80594865853287a8

[brittle pasture]

is your second link the entire file?

if it is then it's formatted incorrectly; it needs to follow the format of content.json (an object with a Changes field, which is a list of changes that you want to make to the game data)

[pine elbow]

I'm testing that thing out rn

[brittle pasture]

also if your first link is the entirety of your content.json file then you're not including the second file

[pine elbow]

is the second file the manifest.json?

[brittle pasture]

the second file you posted above

[pine elbow]

Then wdym by I'm not including the Second File?

[brittle pasture]

if you have a json file that's neither content.json nor manifest.json you need to use an Include action in the former to load it

[pine elbow]

ok after SOME trouble shooting I got to this issue
Ignored Humane Husbandry > Load BC sprite sheet: can't use the Target field with an Include patch

[brittle pasture]

check the CP docs for how an Include action should look like

(on phone cant link it sry)

[latent mauve]

Update on the email to NexusMods about the "linking to NexusMods" part of the TOS: The responding support team member did not know which section of the TOS I was talking about and asked for the specific section.

And so the email chain continues

[tiny zealot]

very cool and reassuring

[iron ridge]

i love when companies don't do communication on major contractual changes

[pine elbow]

Can anyone else link me to it?

[dusk terrace]

@pine elbow https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/stable/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-include.md

[latent mauve]

I got a response!

[pine elbow]

now I don't know if I should trust the Modding Wiki at this point but how do I have the Content.json load in the Machine?

[latent mauve]

I might have missed it in the previous discussion, but is there a reason you are attempting to use an Include instead of keeping your changes in content.json?

[pine elbow]

Thats what another mod that I am using as Reference Did

[latent mauve]

It will work fine if done properly, but it might be adding needless complication if you aren't sure what you are doing.

Alright, well to explain what an Include is:

"FromFile": "assets/extrastuff.json"}```
in your content.json basically tells SMAPI/Content Patcher to act like the changes written inside "extrastuff.json" (anything inside that file's `"Changes": [ ... ]` section) has been added to the file in the space where you have that code block.

Following that example, if you didn't use the Action: Include code and just copy/pasted everything between the Changes: [ ] brackets from extrastuff.json into your content.json in between the [ ] for Changes, you'd get the exact same result.

[tough crater]

I'm having an interesting mod conflict occur for an event mod I made and I'm curious about if there's a workaround for it. Some maps don't have an event file, so I loaded a blank.json into Data/Events/Blacksmith.

The problem is that there's another mod (that someone else is using) that is also doing the same thing, so there's a mod error message: [Content Patcher] Two content packs want to load the 'Data/Events/Blacksmith' asset with the 'Exclusive' priority (Lucikiel - Stardew Valley Expanded (SVE) Compatibility and Pelican Town Event Expansion). Neither will be applied. You should remove one of the content packs, or ask the authors about compatibility.

I know I could trigger the event using the Town and change the map in the particular event, but I would prefer to keep the Blacksmith's as the location trigger.

Would changing the priority maybe make it work?

[latent mauve]

Yes, you will need to add your Priority so that you do not load blank.json if another already has. In your case, you'd likely want "Priority":"Low" on your patch so the other mod can overtake your blank.json

For best practice, it's probably better to never exclusively Load (make a Load without setting a priority) a file for a location that's not a brand new custom location made by your own mod.

[tough crater]

I appreciate the help!

[merry river]

there seems to be an invisible tile in my map that blocks the path. is there any way to figure out which layer it is on? it's on a bridge if that information help. I can provide details later if this is too vague

[latent mauve]

If it's blocking collision, odds are good that it's on the Buildings layer.

[merry river]

yes, the bridge tiles are on the buildings layer which i only have one of

[ornate locust]

Buildings layer cannot be walked through

that is just a function of the Buildings layer

[merry river]

the other bridge tiles are passable except for one of them. all of them have been set to passable = T so i'm not sure what the problem is

[latent mauve]

In order to make Buildings tiles passable, you need to put a TileData object with the "Passable" custom property on it.

[oblique meadow]

You can add tiledata for Passable:T

[latent mauve]

Doublecheck your water tiles under the bridge and make sure none of them have Passable on them on the Back layer.

Passable on Back layer does the exact opposite of Passable on the Buildings layer, so if you used the wrong water tile, that can happen.

[ornate locust]

huh, didn't know that, adding it to the List of Things

[merry river]

good idea, I'll check! thanks!

[toxic valley]

Hi! Quick question I read on Reddit that there’s a list of modders that accept commissions for custom mods is the list still available sorry if I’m wrong btw 🥲

[latent mauve]

!comms

[ocean sail]

If you're looking for people who do mod commissions (either art or code), here's a wiki page with a non-comprehensive list of people who do them: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Stardew_Mod_Commissions

To use this command, type !comms.

[latent mauve]

^ that one

[toxic valley]

Thank you:)

[merry river]

Okay I still can't get that specific tile to work :(

also the NPC won't walk around it either

[urban patrol]

you added that bridge, correct? it’s hard to tell where in the forest this is

can you open up your map, go to the tile sheet tab, then click the wrench button at the bottom right to open up the tile set editor

then click that tile and look at what properties it has

[merry river]

(this is not my map patch, just something for me to check coordinates)

it's on the buildings layer

and that's the water tile below on the back layer

(for reference, the properties screenshots are from the map patch file)

[autumn tide]

good luck void

[urban patrol]

can i ask why you put it on the buildings layer?

is that how vanilla does it

i don’t have the map open

[dusk terrace]

that's odd... someone had me renamed as MangusPixel on the comm page

[merry river]

yeah, vanilla had the bridges on the buildings layer with the passable tile property

[autumn tide]

hellooo got a few dumb questions, what are the object layers for in tiled?

[iron ridge]

the pink ones? tiledata

[autumn tide]

..okay

so just adding like actions and such?

[iron ridge]

yeah

like doors that warp you and messages on click

[thorn sorrel]

That's pretty cool there's a page for commissions. All the love for artists and coders here and the work they do

[autumn tide]

okay perfect, does every layer need one?

or just ones with interaction?

[iron ridge]

i am not sure

[autumn tide]

okay, tysm :)))

that was a surprisingly simple action for map stuffs lol

[merry river]

looking at the unpacked vanilla maps, every layer has a matching object layer so i kept it that way even if there's nothing on it

[urban patrol]

hmm i can't figure out why it wouldn't be passable if that's built into the tileset...

what's your patch mode?

[merry river]

i think editmap, let me check

[autumn tide]

will SDV object to groups in tiled?

[urban patrol]

if you didn't specify a patch mode then you just have the default

[merry river]

oh wait, that was the action

patch mode is replace

[urban patrol]

hmmm

do you have other mods installed besides SVE that you're testing with?

[merry river]

those are all

[urban patrol]

okay so nothing that would patch over you

you shouldn't have to do this, but can you try adding a TileData on the buildings layer with Passable T

[merry river]

yes, let me try

[rain bronze]

Question is there a flag that enables the farmer being visible again after they been warped inside the farmhouse?

I have Game1.displayFarmer = false: but for whatever reason the farmer is still visible

[royal stump]

the game sets it to true in several places, but Game1.onFadeToBlackComplete() might be the issue after warps

[merry river]

the tile is still impassable for whatever reason, tried creating a new save file as well, no luck

[thorn sorrel]

When anyone has time to take a look, I'm trying to fix the mod compatibility for an animal mod so certain drops will be added only when a certain mod is installed. I tried adding in the "when" "hasmod" condition on the items themselves, but they still drop an error file whether or not the indicated mod is included: https://smapi.io/json/none/6880b46e08ab4a718dbbe13260213f07

NOTE: I'm aware the mods I'm testing mod compatibility with are outdated. I'm just using them for testing.

[urban patrol]

i’m stumped. if you want you can zip your mod for me to look at but i can’t promise i’ll find the issue

[heavy pewter]

Idk if I'm allowed to share this here but I managed to compile a c# mod in a smartphone using GitHub CodeSpace

https://smapi.io/log/31070214745d4f6eb645b6a6d01009bb

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI v4.3.2.1 - 1762347400 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24354 on Android Unix 33.0.0.0, with 10 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[royal stump]

it'd help to see the error log too; I don't see anything obviously wrong with the json, at least

[rain bronze]

Thanks for ur help thats def it instantly found it in ilspy to double check if it was setting it to true again and it was. simple workaround i just gotta run it after the warp is finished and the fadetoblack has finishes

[autumn tide]

OH also does changing the opacity of layers in tiled work for SDV?

[thorn sorrel]

Unfortunately, nothing comes up in the error log. It's just that the cross-mod items will still drop as error items, even if the mod in question is removed. I'm trying to fix it so that if the mod isn't installed, the item in particular is ignored.

[urban patrol]

i would imagine not; better to adjust opacity in your png instead. but you can try it and find out

[merry river]

thank you, i just tried another thing but that didn't work either. give me a moment to send you the zip

[urban patrol]

that’s really cool!

[autumn tide]

thanks :)

[uncut viper]

your Whens are not in the right place

[royal stump]

Oh, I see. The issue there is that your "When" conditions are inside the actual object; they can only be applied to an entire "Changes" entry, on the same level as Action/Target/Entries/etc. You'd need to use separate changes*, or turn the conditional parts into dynamic tokens or some such at least.

[uncut viper]

you can't put them inside the data of the patch

[pine elbow]

how would this allow me to have the Machine added to the items menu?

[latent mauve]

I was just explaining how the includes work, in case that was tripping you up! Your code earlier was trying to use a target with an Include action, which doesn't work.

Targets get used with Load, EditData, EditMap, or EditImage actions primarily. In this case, I believe you are using an EditData action?

[next plaza]

It is with pleasure I come to inform you all that

.q

[patent lance]

#39

Honey, no, you're here now, you're here. You're home, with your favorite fuzzies. Baby, please, come back to us....

• marmarru

[next plaza]

(uber is back)

disappears once again

[pine elbow]

well NOW the problem is that it can't make up its mind as its now giving me the error that Its expecting a comma while also saying that its A TRAILING COMMA EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A COMMA

[thorn sorrel]

I was thinking that so thank you for confirming 😩

[thorn sorrel]

I see, so I might have to resort to using Dynamic tokens then. Hmm

[pine elbow]

https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/f0a322afec794f29a20809506d2244a1
here is the Stupid Script

[gentle rose]

that’s not what it’s saying at all. You’re missing a closing }

before the closing ]

[pine elbow]

🙃

its always the most over looked errors

[gentle rose]

it helps not to assume what it’s saying since it said nothing about commas and trying to figure it out from the words in the error you understand. it was mentioning line 22 and ends so I looked for closing brackets around line 22.

[brittle pasture]

also you're targeting the wrong asset (for now)
Data/BigCraftables contain the data for the item, Data/Machines contain the machine rules, and for now you're editing the former

[gentle rose]

and Changes needs to have a capital C

(I think. I’ve never seen it NOT have one.)

[royal stump]

TargetField is another option, e.g. you could have the existing "change" with just base game items, then have separate changes for each mod that target the produce field & add entries to the list. There's a bit of a learning curve and setup either way, though.
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#target-field

[next plaza]

(also this needs to be shared here)