making-mods-general

[oblique meadow]

It can be. Yes. But you have the basic vision. and can do 85% of the work amazingly. That last 15% comes with practice and trial and error

[hallow prism]

and studying vanilla/having fun with layers

[gray bear]

im too gay to have edges this straight

[oblique meadow]

and the hardest part? Not being overly critical on yourself

[gray bear]

that is, very hard

[oblique meadow]

feel free to ping me if you need anything. But play in the space. Be ready to erase / overwrite a lot. But you've got it 🙂

[iron ridge]

seems to not be my arguments for that, it doesn't like this either

public override void Entry(IModHelper helper)
        {
            var harmony = new Harmony(this.ModManifest.UniqueID);
            harmony.Patch(
                original: AccessTools.Method(typeof(StardewValley.Locations.Summit), nameof(StardewValley.Locations.Summit.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation)),
                prefix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry), nameof(ModEntry.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Prefix)),
                postfix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry), nameof(ModEntry.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Postfix))
            );
        }

        public bool UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Prefix()
        {
            Monitor.Log("prefix called!");

            return true;
        }

        public void UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Postfix()
        {
            Monitor.Log("postfix called!");
        }

https://smapi.io/log/8b84028ed71e4a0292177eb83d8e82db

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Unix 6.11.0.29, with 3 C# mods and 0 content packs.

[gray bear]

time to beleaf in myself

[calm nebula]

Harmony patches need to be static

It's not a good error message

[iron ridge]

ahh ty

how do i specifically call a method on the base class?

[lucid iron]

There's a few ways, I'm guessing it's something overwritten?

And u just want to do the equiv of base.draw(b) or whatever

[iron ridge]

mhm, i'm prefixing a method that's an override

but can't do the equivalent of base.method() by calling extended.method() since that just creates an infinite loop

and it's not static

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/HaveMoreKids/blob/main/HaveMoreKids/Framework/Patches/Child.cs#L30 make a dynamic method

[iron ridge]

i assume in this case you're making it so you can call NPC.ChooseAppearance by running NPC_ChooseAppearance_Call?

[lucid iron]

Ye

[iron ridge]

okie

[lucid iron]

Child is subclass of NPC

[iron ridge]

makes sense

how would this work with arguments?

[lucid iron]

It's IL so u can write ldarg_1 and so on

[iron ridge]

ahh

[lucid iron]

Selph's furniture machines should have examples with args too

That's where i yoinked

[iron ridge]

i will do my best to yoink it too ty for the suggestion

public override void Entry(IModHelper helper)
        {
            ModEntry.smonitor = this.Monitor;
            var harmony = new Harmony(this.ModManifest.UniqueID);
            DynamicMethod dm;
            ILGenerator gen;

            var GameLocation_UpdateWhenCurrentLocation = AccessTools.DeclaredMethod(typeof(GameLocation), nameof(GameLocation.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation));
            dm = new DynamicMethod("GameLocation_UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Call", typeof(void), [typeof(GameLocation), typeof(GameTime)]);
            gen = dm.GetILGenerator();
            gen.Emit(OpCodes.Ldarg_0);
            gen.Emit(OpCodes.Ldarg_1);
            gen.Emit(OpCodes.Call, GameLocation_UpdateWhenCurrentLocation);
            gen.Emit(OpCodes.Ret);
            GameLocation_UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Call = dm.CreateDelegate<Action<GameLocation, GameTime>>();

            harmony.Patch(
                original: AccessTools.Method(typeof(StardewValley.Locations.Summit), nameof(StardewValley.Locations.Summit.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation)),
                prefix: new HarmonyMethod(typeof(ModEntry), nameof(ModEntry.UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Prefix))
            );

        }
        public static bool UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Prefix(Summit __instance, GameTime time)
        {
            GameLocation_UpdateWhenCurrentLocation_Call(__instance, time);

            return false;
        }

not even sure how it's managing to infinitely loop into a stack overflow

[calm nebula]

It has to do with how vtables work

Tbh a reverse patch is easier

But yeah

Emit a Opcodes.Call.

[iron ridge]

in the generator for the dynamic method? what method is it calling?

oh i ithink i got it

[urban patrol]

i love you, this is fantastic. i had seen the {} item registry stuff in the spacecore example i found but had no idea what that syntax was, so thank you so much for the breakdown and explanation!!

[tropic pelican]

trying to get a portrait to work for the Traveling Merchant, but I can't seem to find what her character name is? I've gotten them to work for every other character, and when looking at other mods to see what they named the png, i can't seem to get those to work either does anyone know what i should name her png file to work in portraiture?

[obtuse wigeon]

In portrature I have no idea but I'm pretty sure shes just called "traveller" in the game

[hard fern]

is the merchant actually a real npc to begin with? 🤔 i think she's just part of the cart itself. i

[signal radish]

I see another person who likes to go nuts with canopies!

[hard fern]

aah it looks so nice

im still a canopy novice, one day i'll get on your level maybe XD

[signal radish]

(That map is for Denver, when his creator is done updating him!)

[obtuse wigeon]

well I think I'm going to add multiple layers of canopies now, makes it look so much better!

[blissful panther]

Multiple layers...

That's what my farm map's missing!

[oblique meadow]

Canopies are great. With a few layers it makes it pop

[blissful panther]

Also Nova, hey!

[signal radish]

DH! I missed you, my friend. ❤️

[lucid iron]

She's not a NPC

[signal radish]

What kind of map are you working on?

[lucid iron]

I'm not sure Portraiture is capable of applying on her out of the box

[blissful panther]

Let me DM you the preview. Still keeping it vaguely secret!

[lucid iron]

And also she only exists with a portrait if u put one in the data

Mods like portraits for vendors do it

[oblique meadow]

Secrets dont make friends

[lucid iron]

Based on breadcrumbs my theory is that joja has dumped toxic waste all over the farm and now your trees turn slimey

[hallow prism]

    {
      "LogName": "Editing Traveler Shop",
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Shops",
      "TargetField": [
        "Traveler",
        "Owners",
        "AnyOrNone",
      ],
      "Entries": {
        "Portrait": "Portraits/LottiMillerVMV",
      },
      "When": {
        "TravelingLadyIsLotti": true
      }
    },```

the when condition is the config i use in VMV so players can disable in case they use another mod adding a portrait

note that i load the portrait itself

otherwise calling it will do nothing

[urban patrol]

i have a silly question—when is a C# mod considered a framework? i assume my little “custom wedding reminder” thing doesn’t qualify?

or is a framework anything that allows extra features for CP mods?

[hard fern]

🤔 im no C# expert but i guess it would be a framework when the purpose of the mod is to add stuff that other mods can then utilize to do cool stuff

[uncut viper]

there is no one agreed upon definition of a framework

my personal definition is something is a framework if it doesn't do anything on its own but gives others tools to create unique things, and those things can be unique across all mod authors who use the framework

[lucid iron]

Yeah i agree with button here

I'll add that a mod can have both mod author features as well as user features

[uncut viper]

I'd also add that how generous you are with what counts as "unique across people using the framework" also depends on the intent of the framework

small frameworks that do one thing and do it well are still frameworks

[pine elbow]

i code witha dozzen different dictionarys and cheat sheets open

[lucid iron]

And while usually people here make content facing frameworks (something that tells you to give me some data somehow) there are C# facing frameworks too

spacecore skills is a big one

There was some discuss about whether a mod that adds some more game delegates, possibly named something like THETAs, is a framework or a library

[uncut viper]

the important thing to remember is that the specific name "framework mod" is entirely made up. you could always call your mod a framework, you just might get people questioning it. or you might not.

i would still call BETAS a library and not a framework

a bit muddier nowadays admittedly but still primarily a library in my thoughts

[lucid iron]

As you can see nic it's just how you feel about the thing

[uncut viper]

Content Patcher is undoubtedly a framework because if you give two people its features, the mods they create would/could be totally different

[lucid iron]

I think my personal criteria is a lot simpler, if it's a mod that does nothing user visible without a content pack for it, then it is framework

The ambiguous cases come when the mod does a lot of user visible things and happens to have some content pack extension options

[uncut viper]

would you say atracore is a framework?

[lucid iron]

Yeah personcores are C# frameworks

[hallow prism]

we also have now the fact that a lot of frameworks are more CP compatible and so people can use it for one or two features without making it a whole requirement, with an hasmod condition

[lucid iron]

I can theoretically use it to have atra's fancy span string ops

[hallow prism]

for me, betas as i use it is a framework, but that's the content pack modder perspective

[lucid iron]

And atra's fancy scheduler parser

[calm nebula]

Atracore is a mistake not a framework

[hallow prism]

hmm

[lucid iron]

I mean i think basically every personcore should just be a shared project instead

[calm nebula]

(There are sub dll loading problems. And atracore has shared caches)

[hallow prism]

i am scopecreeping myself by considering that harvey should adress you to another doctor if you date him. But then i wonder if i should have it for (new project) or for harvey apologizes or if i should even merge harvey apologizes in the (new project)

[calm nebula]

It's a mistake because I'm, actually, not a game dev and not actually good at this type of code lol

[uncut viper]

i still don't really understand what a shared project is, or rather what the benefit is over stuffing things into a dotnet template

[urban patrol]

nod nod i see thank you for your opinions everyone

[lucid iron]

It's for larger bits of reused code

But it's as if you just copied over the .cs file and compiled it

[uncut viper]

so what's the benefit over stuffing it into a dotnet template
wouldn't that make a personcore better as all that reused code would be run only once

and from one central location

[lucid iron]

There's no benefit over stuffing it into a dotnet template cus that would be literally copying the code over on a filesystem level and that's like, fine tbh

I used it only because i have some stuff that only 2 mods need

[uncut viper]

I had thoughts of a personcore recently for a bunch of farm maps I wanted to make to hold all the special little extras I might wanna add for my farm maps only, that seems like a core would be better than shipping every map with its own dll

[lucid iron]

Rather than stuff I want on every mod like a static Log(Once)

Wow button joining the "c# person and their random map baubles mod"

[uncut viper]

it goes with my NPC plans which are very full of hyper specific custom ideas I plan on implementing for her alone

benefits of being a c# modder, I can do whatever I want

[lucid iron]

As for shared project vs personcore I think it kind of depends on the usecase too

[gentle rose]

I think for me C# mods intended to be used by others in the way button described (do as little as possible on their own, enable unique functionality) are all either cores or frameworks and it's largely based on how cohesive the things they do are and also kind of vibes

[uncut viper]

(speaking of thank you for reminding me I gotta move my console command stuff from CMF into my dotnet template still)

[lucid iron]

But my opinion is more that I don't want to make every single one of my mod dependent on a nebulously named chucore of unknown features

If I do actually need extended tas shenanigans in a 3rd mod one day I'll probably just turn it into a temporary animated sprites framework

[gentle rose]

personcore mods scare me

[uncut viper]

i think that makes more sense than every mod duplicating a harmony patch on some function though but changing the unique id check on top

[uncut viper]

is this not just the same thing as using it as a core mod

just with a different name

[lucid iron]

No cus I would also just rip out all the special tas stuff in mmap/trinkets and move it over to the new mod properly

So that it is an actual framework someone can use by itself

[uncut viper]

that sounds like you'd be making a core mod

[lucid iron]

I haven't done this bc i don't have particularly good unifying concept for a standalone temporary animated sprites mod

[urban patrol]

not-a-core Core

[uncut viper]

whenever you do you need to figure out how to add an IS to that acronym

Standalone
Temporary
Animated
Sprites
I
S

[lucid iron]

Wow

[gray bear]

Is
S'awesome

[proud wyvern]

i was going crazy looking at the code, that already had the line changed to IDictionary. glad you solved it

[crude plank]

Inspired
Story

[uncut viper]

maybe "I Suppose"

[lucid iron]

But yeah not knowing the specifics is why it's just a shared project and i live with the fact that some ppl's games have 2 assets with type Dictionary<string, TASExt> whose TASExt are actually different classes all together

[uncut viper]

i was mostly indifferent till I'm now learning you have duplicate content pipeline assets /lh

duplicate internals is one thing

[lucid iron]

I think it actually is possible for me to load the TASExt from the other mod

Cus i used helper.GameContent

[uncut viper]

would need to load them as JObjects

[lucid iron]

Not Game1.content

[uncut viper]

unless you hard reference the other mod dll

[lucid iron]

So I don't think I'm poisoning the cache per say

[uncut viper]

it's possible for me to load your asset in my mod and I don't even have the TASext class

[lucid iron]

Yeah dynamic go brr probably

[hallow prism]

Improved
Solution / Situation / Selection

Improved
Conviviality / Coolness / Creativity

(Yes, i feel Static can work pretty well too)

[uncut viper]

no I literally just use JObjects from newtonsoft whenever I need to do that

[hallow prism]

oh no that would make stasic, which isn't a thing

ah well

[lucid iron]

I'll amend my statement to

Load and hopefully actually use in helpers

[uncut viper]

stasic does still sound cool though

they are perfectly usable if you reference newtonsoft

[lucid iron]

It's not really something i explored more than a 👁️ tho

[uncut viper]

I did this for Searchable Collections Page

before secret note framework got an API that's how I loaded the note says

Note data*

[hallow prism]

asics : animated sprites improved considerably superior

[lucid iron]

Wouldn't i need functions that took JObject and turned them into the right classes tho

[uncut viper]

no it's JObjects all the way down

Keep drilling down till you hit a value type

[lucid iron]

I'm confused tbh but I'll trust that the reflections crime lord knows what is up

[uncut viper]

it's not even reflection!

[crude plank]

Let it be know they won't ever be referred to as Better Animated Sprites lol

[uncut viper]

I would link it but apparently I didn't put that mod on GitHub and I'm not at my desk

[lucid iron]

The other reason for this is that back when the code wasn't unified there was just 2 different Dictionary<string, TemporaryAnimatedSpriteDefinition> assets one per mod and I never really wanted to load the other mod's tas defs over

Even though i absolutely could with no trouble since that's a base game class

The vague ass ideas i had for a unified TAS thing is

• make concept of position tracker that can be specified from content through [idk im working on it :)], this could be say a map tile, an item, etc
• make tas spawning stuff be rooted on a position tracker

[brittle pasture]

if you’re still looking for something to solve , now they got a new issue: https://smapi.io/log/248bfa5f532f41f0bc8a502fa54c0bed

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.26100.0, with 11 C# mods and 2 content packs.

[brittle pasture]

(I can look at it myself a few hours from now, pls don’t feel obligated)

[proud wyvern]

that's on you actually

https://github.com/zombifier/My_Stardew_Mods/blob/master/ExtraAnimalConfig/Api/ExtraAnimalConfigApi.cs#L85

this needs to be public

AnimalProduceCreatedEvent too

[uncut viper]

https://github.com/Spiderbuttons/SearchableCollectionsPage/blob/main/SearchableCollectionsPage/CollectionsPatch.cs#L59-L67

[brittle pasture]

thanks for the quick fix

[proud wyvern]

there is a setting in Pintail that makes it ignore access modifiers of types, but still look at access modifiers of methods

but SMAPI doesn't set it

[uncut viper]

(dont judge my code too much chu this mod is old im better now i promise)

[proud wyvern]

(yes, i do constantly search for "pintail" in this server)

[lucid iron]

Oh it's a little different than what i was thinking

I have like a record that the live state of the tas and it takes TASExt as ctor arg

That was the "annoying to use across 2 mods using this shared project" bit

But i made my peace with it

[brittle pasture]

I egosurf for my mods every day too

[proud wyvern]

i used to do that a bit too

[uncut viper]

i also search for my acronyms sometimes though mostly to see if anyones having trouble or falsely attributing crashes to them again

[proud wyvern]

yeah i search for Pintail to see if anyone is having any trouble

everytime i see a new message about it, i dread i'll have to look into its source code again

but i kinda feel obligated

[uncut viper]

is it used in other communitiues too, or is it mainly stardew?

[proud wyvern]

Cobalt Core modding

[clever turret]

I'm guessing making machine output value scale logarithmically with the input item price (so that processing more expensive things gives less of an increase) is not something that can be done exclusively with content patcher/extra machine configs, is that correct?

[proud wyvern]

but i'm the author of its mod loader, so it's a given

[uncut viper]

ah i see, the obligation came free with your xbox sort of situation

[lucid iron]

Shockah can i pintail the content

[proud wyvern]

the obligation here is because i pestered Pathos about it several years back and ended up making Pintail into a lib, which SMAPI now uses

you can Pintail a lot

[lucid iron]

So that maybe i can do smth about this

[proud wyvern]

but a dictionary is gonna be a total pain in the ass

[brittle pasture]

I suppose you can make discrete buckets up to a certain value
but yeah I don’t think it’s possible to make a log-like curve with just the basic arithmetic we have access to

buckets are probably good enough™, items more expensive than 2000g don’t exist in my book

[obtuse wigeon]

I tried to do a similar thing but couldn't figure out the best way to do it, in the end I think the recipe.json file is somewhere around 200 lines long just for some recipes that produce the same thing

[clever turret]

And if I wanted a properly smooth curve I could theoretically make a bucket for every whole number input (up to say 2000)?

[obtuse wigeon]

(oof I lied, it's not 200 lines long, it's 3000, yes thousand)

[brittle pasture]

indeed

[clever turret]

Horrendous, I will not be doing that

[brittle pasture]

if you wanna dip into c# for this it’s a perfectly fine good first mod

[hallow prism]

not with CP alone. I don't remember what extra machine stuff is doing, i believe however PFM may have some calculations allowing to approach that

basically, CP price changes are limited

but PFM if i remember well can have stuff like "base price * multiplier + addition" which allows better modularity of price

however my math knowledge isn't good enough to remember what a logarithm is looking like really, so...

[brittle pasture]

last I checked PFM has even less options than vanilla quantity modifiers

(just multiply + add)

[clever turret]

Exponential curve reflected across y=x

[brittle pasture]

to clarify, you can do price modifiers with CP machine output

[hallow prism]

yes but they have annoying limitations

as far as i remember you were able to do only either addition or multiplication of base price but not both

[brittle pasture]

you can do both, and then some

I think you accidentally set the quantity stack mode to Max or Min instead of Stack

[lucid iron]

Well i guess you just have to implement a log price modifier

Maffs

[hallow prism]

no, i remember the stack thing

i can't remember the exact use case i

ah yes

i wanted also a max price

so i can't have an item like "price is 2* the initial price +500 while being max 15000"

[lucid iron]

For that you can just make a second rule with cond on item price perhaps

[hallow prism]

which PFM allowed as far as i remember

[brittle pasture]

you can do a Set operation conditioned on the output item price being larger than 15000

well not 15000, but some input value that would have the output being larger than 15000

[hallow prism]

mm

[brittle pasture]

so “set price to 15000 if the input’s price is larger than (15000-500)/2 = 7250”

[hallow prism]

this is good to keep in mind but :

• math
• still less straightforward than PFM
• math
• i am not sure how i would even set that

But it's good news for MissSweetBean

[brittle pasture]

it’s less straightforward but way more powerful

[hallow prism]

yes

[brittle pasture]

still wont help with log though sadly

[hallow prism]

but that is true of C# as well and it doesn't mean i want to do it 😄

but fair!

[oblique meadow]

Silly question. Is there a way to re-trigger a DynamicToken at the start of each day?

Right now I have this:

    "Format": "2.7.0",
    "ConfigSchema": {
        "Ammo": {
            "AllowValues": "Baby,Eevee,Pam,Random",
            "Default": "Baby"
        }
    },
    "DynamicTokens": [
        {
            "Name": "ChosenAmmo",
            "Value": "{{Config:Ammo}}"
        },
        {
            "Name": "ChosenAmmo",
            "When": {
                "Ammo": "Random"
            },
            "Value": "{{Random:Baby,Eevee,Pam}}"
        }
    ],```
But i'd like to re-trigger daily when random is chosen

[hallow prism]

i mispoke of poor data/machines format and apologize to the fields i hurt /lh

it should already change daily

how are you testing the changes?

[oblique meadow]

Im in game and sleeping

Wait. I just got unlucky apparently and got the same one 4 days in a row....

slept one more time and it changed

ugh

[hallow prism]

you don't have that much values so it can happen (althought i understand the frustration)

[oblique meadow]

Sorry to bother

[hallow prism]

no

rubberducking happens

[oblique meadow]

...I should add a Rubber Duck

[hallow prism]

it is usually when i have the adrenaline of "i asked for help" that i notice the typo i missed the 5th previous times

because OF COURSE

[clever turret]

Alright, a related question: does the game store an item's value as its base price and then only apply profession modifiers when sold/rendered through the price catalogue, or does it hold the value modified by professions in the item's data?

[brittle pasture]

former

[clever turret]

Lovely, that's what I had hoped

[urban patrol]

[game] Can't parse tile property 'Action' at Buildings:25,13 with value 'DLX.PIF_Door_Warp_INTERNAL_USE_ONLY' in location 'handwrittenhello.dbda_CrystalAndNiko': required index 1 (Point tile > x) not found (list has a single value at index 0).```
this is an error from PIF - personal rooms, right? any idea why it's got an issue with my custom map? this is the door and tile data at (25, 13)

[lucid iron]

Oh hm do you have a placed pif door

[urban patrol]

no i know nothing about PIF

[lucid iron]

Why...

It's a fairly easy fix but I don't understand how it's even happening in the first place

@spice inlet hello remember the internal use tile action i added in my PR? Can you change it so that the action name no longer contains the word Warp? For some odd reason it's hitting map warp point parsing logic and emitting a base game warning.

[calm nebula]

Just ignore it is harmless lol

[lucid iron]

There shouldn't be any issues changing it since it's internal use only

[urban patrol]

i'll let the player know it's a harmless PIF issue and they can ignore it until PIF is updated 👍

[lucid iron]

To explain what this is, i added this so that PIF can do door zones on it's furniture

It's not meant to be placed into a map ever

Hence my confusion about why this is getting fired

[urban patrol]

yeah "internal use only" kind of implies you shouldn't see it lol

if it'll help you debug i'm happy to send you my map

[lucid iron]

Do u have pif installed

[urban patrol]

nope

this is from a report on nexus, no log

[lucid iron]

How r u getting this at all then

Ok whatever then

[hard fern]

logless...

[lucid iron]

I mass renamed a bunch of mmap's (non internal) warp actions to wrp specifically to avoid this warning lol

[urban patrol]

yeah did you guys know "submit a log with every bug report" actually means "do whatever you want" lol

[spice inlet]

someone commented about this issue earlier today. ^^ fairly simple fix

[lucid iron]

Thanks! Apologies for the trouble

[spice inlet]

not your fault the game has magic strings like that ^^;

the error didnt pop up during testing either and apart from causing confusion it appears to cause no harm

many of the bugs I get at work rn are like that now that I think about it

[lucid iron]

Just lurking in the codebase, waiting to ambush you

[spice inlet]

the customer reports an issue, qa reproduces it and opens a bug, I recreate the test case, no bug. Check with qa to make sure test case is correct. yes. she cant reproduce the bug anymore either

[urban patrol]

absolutely classic

tbh that's me whenever i have to report anything to IT. i'm sorry i swear it wasn't working before

[hard fern]

i can't change this smoke without C# can i

[calm nebula]

Nope

[hard fern]

😔 sigh

i refuse to do C# for a furniture recolor

i'll just have to never turn the cauldron on

[lyric fern]

Just want to ask, is this mod possible to do with Content Patcher?

The logic is simple;
If condition is met, change item description.

The condition could be anything like:

• if player in [place]
• if season is [season]
• if [item] is placed in [place] (statue of perfection is placed on farm for example)

And whether to have double condition, for example if season is [season] comes first then if player in [place] after

[gaunt orbit]

The first two are possible, the third is not (with just cp)

[lyric fern]

Ah okay, can we make it have multiple condition though?

Like if condition one is met, it will have A, but if condition two is also met, it will be A + B, in this case would be text a and b concatenated/combined, or have an entirely different text if both conditions are met

[hard fern]

you can have multiple conditions

[urban patrol]

content patcher can have AND and OR conditions, yes, although i believe you need to define every possibility (so if you had A and B, you'd need A, AB, B, neither)

[lyric fern]

Cool.. that's all i wanted to know. Thank you very much guys!

[lucid iron]

If you add a new furniture you won't get the smoke

[hard fern]

but i want the smoke...

just pink

[lucid iron]

You can add the smoke with mmap if you want

I never tried it with toggle tas but i can look into it

[urban patrol]

can i check a dictionary in C# to see if it contains a key which is a valid spouse name? i'm trying to write this condition (which is all sorts of wrong but the closest way i knew how to express what i want). i'm trying to return a spouse-specific message if it exists, but the default message if a modded NPC hasn't had a message added

[gaunt orbit]

ContainsKey?

[lucid iron]

you don't have direct access to the dictionary here

[urban patrol]

do i have it somewhere else, or not at all

[lucid iron]

string line = Game1.content.LoadStringReturnNullIfNotFound($"yourasset:{spousename}") ?? Game1.content.LoadString("yourasset:default")

this is what i recommended earlier

[urban patrol]

oh i must have missed that, my bad

[calm nebula]

LoadStringReturnNullIfNotFound

Never change

[urban patrol]

so with this i don't need an if/else?

[lucid iron]

to break it down a bit this is what it says as multiple lines:

string? line = Game1.content.LoadStringReturnNullIfNotFound($"yourasset:{spousename}");
if (line == null)
{
    line = Game1.content.LoadString("yourasset:default");
}
// now line will definitely be a usable string

[urban patrol]

oh that makes it clearer yeah

[lucid iron]

the ?? is called the "null coalescing operator" and it's like fancy way of saying if this is null do another thing afterwards and put value in same place

im sure there's uh, roslyn details for what it actually does

[uncut viper]

i think your multiline explanation is basically what it does

but in IL form

[gaunt orbit]

The cursed part about ?? is that you can use it to throw exceptions.

[gaunt orbit]

In this case I think so but sometimes it will use Dup instead. I think maybe when it would require allocating an extra local otherwise?

[urban patrol]

can i do this outside of my GameLoop methods?

if i want to make the code cleaner?

[lucid iron]

well you can put it in a property

but you shouldn't keep the line around unless you want to implement invalidation handling

[urban patrol]

i thought invalidation handling is what i was doing by returning the default if spouse key doesn't exist

does invalidation handling mean something else

[gaunt orbit]

What chu means is that if you store it anywhere because the data might change and you'll have know when to recheck it

So either don't store it or keep an eye on the asset

[uncut viper]

Invalidation handling = What if someones Content Patcher patch on your asset changes?

Like, what if a When condition no longer applies, so they are adding something different to your custom asset now

[urban patrol]

and if i did it outside of the methods, it would be storing it? and wouldn't be checked after being edited by someone else?

[uncut viper]

(ofc not just for CP but mostly CP)

[lucid iron]

well if you did the loadstring directly at where you need it

game will try to fetch from the content manager cache, or get from asset requested edit

[gentle rose]

harmony patching the content manager is both fun and nutritious

don't knock it until you try it wren

it enabled me to do things that are absolutely possible to do in other ways

[calm nebula]

You're a worse criminal than your dog

[gentle rose]

look I spent like a week actually caring about writing good code, I needed a break asap

[lucid mulch]

I love it when people say certain harmony stuff is a crime and they are some of the only harmony usecases I've done

[lucid iron]

phantom thief sinz

only do the most heinous of crimes

[lucid mulch]

"dont harmony patch smapi", "dont harmony patch the content manager", "dont harmony patch other mods harmony patches"

[uncut viper]

ive done 2 out of 3 there

unless you count patching SMAPI loading tilesheets for ATA as both 1 and 2

[brave fable]

harmony is a path to behaviour some would consider... undefined

[uncut viper]

(i wouldnt)

[autumn tide]

does anyone know where the sprite of shane from his 6-heart event is? I know where the portrait it but I can't seem to find the actual sprite

[lucid mulch]

for the purposes of 1 and 2, 2 doesn't count as smapi

[brave fable]

it's in LooseSprites/Cursors near the seagulls at the bottom around the rainbows

[uncut viper]

have you checked cursors

[autumn tide]

oh okay

[autumn tide]

it is! tysm!

how did you have that memorized omg 😭

[brave fable]

built different 😌

[lucid iron]

cursors is like choosing C on the exam when you don't know

[brave fable]

i showed my working, that's worth a pass

[autumn tide]

basically a 100% chance unless d is all of the above lmao

[gaunt orbit]

I've patched smapi and also spritebatch. Neither is in any of my current mods though (1 discontinued the other unreleased)

In 1.5 I was transpiling SGame.DrawImpl for Reasons™
(and now I don't have to)

[late gull]

Quick question - How do I go about adding multiple object properties of the same type (e.g Action) to an object in Tiled? Do I just type each property on a separate line? Thanks, first day learning.

[lucid iron]

you cannot

what's the goal here

[late gull]

I want to warp and playSound at the same time

[lucid iron]

you will need a framework for that

[urban patrol]

i use spacecore and betas for that but i believe you can do it with just betas now

[lucid iron]

i think u can also do it just with spacecore right

[urban patrol]

maybe that’s what i’m thinking of instead

[lucid iron]

trigger location changed condition on your custom location spacechase0.SpaceCore_PlaySound

[uncut viper]

you can achieve the same result with both BETAS and SpaceCore (though technically BETAS is slightly more flexible)

[lucid iron]

it's one way tho, not ideal

but yea take ur pick

[urban patrol]

are you trying to replace the door sound with something else?

[late gull]

I see, thank you for the help! I just have two minecart warps between the upper and lower levels of my map and wanted to add a minecart sound to them

[lucid iron]

i thought minecarts have it

[uncut viper]

i also thought minecart networks played a sound by default

apparently not though, i dont see it in the decomp

interesting

[lucid iron]

berenstain beared

[uncut viper]

false memories...

[brave fable]

new mod where using the minecart network requires you to complete one bespoke level of Junimo Kart before you arrive

[urban patrol]

and if you fail you die

[lucid iron]

oh you know

i think this might be a CS feature of sorts

[tired matrix]

https://smapi.io/json/none/ca0d0e246481411d85666722bf2b5513

[late gull]

Is that when using the MinecartTransport property? I'm just using warp because its two minecarts on the same map file and I don' t want them connecting to anything else

[brave fable]

is CS custom shops, computer science, or cee sharp

[lucid iron]

central station

[tired matrix]

am i doing something wrong??? the path is right but i keep receiving simapi error: [game] Failed loading texture assets/objects/Stuff.png for item (5)Bunbun: asset doesn't exist.

[lucid iron]

well, we were wrong about there being a sound for minecarts anyways, so dw about it

[urban patrol]

do you have another patch which loads the texture? you need that and then set your texture to whatever the target of that load is

[lucid iron]

you can make a minecart network independent of the Default one though

[brave fable]

Texture isn't a local asset, it's a game asset target. you need to Load it yourself in a separate Changes entry

[tired matrix]

i have this, is it right? still not working tho

[brave fable]

good! now use that Target as your Texture value

[urban patrol]

use Data/Objects/{{ModId}}XavierObjects as your texture

[tired matrix]

Omg im stupid

thank u guys

[urban patrol]

nah i made that mistake many a time

[tired matrix]

ahh still not working

getting that red circle

[urban patrol]

spawn a new item

[uncut viper]

trash the old item and spawna new one

[tired matrix]

I gave this mod so many stuff its making me go crazy lol

WORKS!!!

Thanks girls ure awesome

[lucid iron]

do i need to do anything to a WeakReference on a IDisposable

nvm this is a silly question i should just not use a weak ref

[oblique meadow]

Take the ref to the gym. Get it good protein intake. Will be a strong ref in no time

[lucid iron]

that'd be pretty bad

[royal stump]

extra-strong refs that keep your data in ram even when the game/system is shut off

[uncut viper]

why keep it in RAM? too volatile. theres a perfectly good system drive you could fill up to the brim instead

[royal stump]

(also idk because my solution has also been "just use normal refs" )

[lucid iron]

i believe people call that malware

[uncut viper]

is it malware if i name my mod "Fills Your System Up To The Brim Framework"

[calm nebula]

IDisposable is "please, gc, clean up for me if i fuxk up"

WeakReference is "please, don't let this become a memory leak"

[lucid iron]

so the actual usecase i have is

• i need to assign a crib (Furniture) to a Child
• i have a ConditionalWeakTable<Child, CribAssign?> atm
• when child is older than 2, i will do a manual remove of the child from the CWT
• at this point i could handle all the unassigning bits, but what if i make CribAssign an IDisposable

[uncut viper]

to me that sounds like whatever is removing the child should also just remove the cribassign

[lucid iron]

yea i dunno, i do think i am being very extra

[odd raptor]

Hello
i am getting this error
error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Framework' does not exist in the namespace 'GenericModConfigMenu' (are you missing an assembly reference?)
I am following the instruction in https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/tree/develop/GenericModConfigMenu

[brave fable]

delete line 2 in IGenericModConfigMenuApi

(using GenericModConfigMenu.Framework;)

[somber canopy]

How does the meadowlands farm start with a coop? I'm making a map that I'd like to also start with a coop. I'm looking through that farm in Tiled & map properties and not seeing it there

[brittle pasture]

it's hardcoded

[uncut viper]

its hardcoded to

but theres a mod to let you do exactly that

[brittle pasture]

you need either spacecore or buildings included

[tired matrix]

sorry for asking again but is something wrong here? I set the correct texture path but its that red circle again https://smapi.io/json/none/86bb3c6039054fd2891a06667ac686d9

same path just another item (a cooking one)

[somber canopy]

blehhhh ty lol

[tired matrix]

i checked the templates and everything but it seems right?

[vernal crest]

Did you set the texture to the right thing before you spawned the item in game?

[tired matrix]

Yeah

Suddenly the other one isnt working anymore too

Dammit

[vernal crest]

Did you change your Load patch? The one I'm replying to? Or accidentally delete it?

[tired matrix]

Nope, its still here

[vernal crest]

Can you show a screenshot of it?

[tired matrix]

Yep

Oh fixed it somehow

Idk how

[hard fern]

maybe you made a typo and fixed it without realizing

[vernal crest]

I recommend that you press Shift+Alt+F on your keyboard to fix your file's formatting by the way

[tired matrix]

Probably lol

[vernal crest]

It's much easier to see if you have made mistakes if your indentation is right

[tired matrix]

But is the template for adding to the shop right and recipe? I dont even know i just got it from wiki but there wasnt any ready

[ivory plume]

@lucid iron For your animal & building MigrateIds PR:

• Do you have a test save to make sure they still work fine after my changes?
• What happens if you don't remove the interior location when migrating to a building type whose data doesn't have one? I'm just a bit worried about players accidentally losing everything inside a building (e.g. animals, machines, etc) if a mod author makes a mistake in an update.

[lucid iron]

• i had one but ive deleted it sorry, can make another
• mods like lookup anything explodes because the reference for interior remain on the building unless i manually remove it and it's also just inaccessible, i felt this behavior is expected and basically like removing a location adding mod, but perhaps more warning is needed

[vernal crest]

No, your hotpot's ID should be {{ModId}}_BeefHotpot (or {{ModId}}_Beef_Hotpot if you want) and so should its "Name".

Your recipe patch should not have the "Hotpot": { bit on line 40, the ID of your recipe should be {{ModId}}_BeefHotpot (or {{ModId}}_Beef_Hotpot if you want) the same as your object, and you need to actually add your {{ModId}}_BeefHotpot object as the yield because at the moment your recipe doesn't produce anything (you have the wrong number of fields, check the wiki page again).

Your shop entry needs to have the key changed to {{ModId}}_BeefHotpot (or {{ModId}}_Beef_Hotpot if you want). Same with the Id and ItemId field. If you want the shop to sell the recipe instead of the object, you have to add "IsRecipe": true. And your MoveEntries bit is wrong - you need to be moving your item entry before a different, already existing entry in the shop.

Here's a tutorial: https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_Recipes_with_CP#New_Cooking_Recipe_for_an_Existing_Item

[tired matrix]

I just didnt put modid cuz i wanna make it a gift in i18n default file

If i put the gifting thing next to like {{i18n:food}} for example in the dialogues on content, it wouldnt work, would it?

[vernal crest]

I don't understand your reasoning, sorry. Why would your gifts list be in i18n? Anyway, if you don't put {{ModId}} then there's a risk that another mod will have the same item and your mod will break.

[tired matrix]

Not the list

Just the command to give a gift in one of the dialogues

[vernal crest]

You can just write out your mod ID in full there

[tired matrix]

In i18n? So it works in the default json?

I thought it wouldnt since it doesnt work in dialogues

[vernal crest]

What is your mod's ID?

[tired matrix]

mylittlestar

[vernal crest]

The whole ID

[tired matrix]

mylittlestar.Xavier

[vernal crest]

Okay so in the default.json instead of writing {{ModId}}_BeefHotpot you'd write mylittlestar.Xavier_BeefHotpot

[tired matrix]

omg

Im stupid

Changing it rn

Ty

I swear im not dumb ok my head is just different (doesnt work right)

[ornate locust]

It's easy to forget you can just do that

I've had my own "wait, the token stands in for text, I can just use the dang text" moments

[brave fable]

alternatively you can pass item name as a token to the i18n

which is better

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/translations.md#can-i-use-content-patcher-tokens-in-i18n-files

if you're just going to write the text again why even use tokens

[lucid iron]

i would just split the dialogue into 2 keys tbh

[brave fable]

well yes, ideally you'd be adding your individual translated display texts to the gifttastes string, not the other way around

e.g.. "{{i18n:gift.loved}}/10 20 30/{{i18n:gift.liked}}/40 50 60/{{i18n:gift.disliked}}/70 80 90/{{i18n:gift.hated}}/100/{{i18n:gift.neutral}}"

or however gifttastes are fielded

then you can use your {{ModId}}_myfunnyitem text in the item IDs as usual

[vernal crest]

If I understood correctly, this is about an NPC giving the player the dish

I would personally just put the command to give the item outside the i18n

[brave fable]

ah. i mustve been on autopilot

then yes, either put the whole command outside of the i18n and in the token string, or pass the item name as a token to the i18n

[inland rain]

NPC Clothing Framework is updated to 1.6... it might even work as expected! https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/13940

[lucid iron]

the CoopToSilo save has 1 coop with 1 chicken inside, and a patch like this will turn it into a Silo
https://smapi.io/json/content-patcher/14cf434245844218a71cb5c2b9bbc55c
at this point the game will start having StardewValley.GameLocation.updateEvenIfFarmerIsntHere exceptions every so often, though it didn't crash ought-right
the second save is after sleeping on CoopToSilo, and a opposite patch can be used to turn Silo back to Coop. this does actually keep the chicken around

[urban patrol]

@red egret if you're interested, i ended up making that wedding reminder mod that you suggested! #mod-showcase message

[ivory plume]

(I'm just about to sign off for the day, but here's a preview build in case you want to try it in the meantime.)

[lucid iron]

I also sleep gn

[tame burrow]

Sleep well Chu. Go to bed knowing I now understand Localized Strings because of you and will be making much use of them

[late pewter]

Does anyone know from experience if for Alternative Textures, can you Skip IDs?
For example:

"ManualVariations": [
    {
        "Id": 0,
        "Name": "1-NonSeasonal.Empty.Basket",
        "Keywords": [
            "Empty",
            "Basket",
            "NonSeasonal"
        ],
        "ChanceWeight": 0
    },
    {
        "Id": 1,
        "Name": "2-Seasonal.Seed.Weed",
        "Keywords": [
            "Seed",
            "Weed",
            "Seasonal"
        ],
        "ChanceWeight": 0
    },
    {
        **"Id": 5,**
        "Name": "3-Seasonal.Tea.Bush",
        "Keywords": [
            "Tea",
            "Bush",
            "NonSeasonal"
        ],
        "ChanceWeight": 0
    },

---

I skipped from "Id": 1 straight to "Id": 5

Will [AT] accept that and still merrily list options in order or will it throw a fit?

[late pewter]

Ok so I just checked: [AT] doesn't throw a fit in the sense that it doesn't print angry red text to the console: But it DOES refuse to acknowledge the non-serial ID even exists.

...This sort of complicates things.

[red egret]

Super, this will work nicely! 😁👍 good job.

[mighty current]

chances are this is me being stupid, but schedule isn´t working. npc spawns in but doesn´t move

{
"Changes":
[

    {
        "LogName": "Ogami Schedule",
        "Action": "EditData",
        "Target": "Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}_ShirouOgami",
        "Entries": {
            "spring": "610 BusStop 29 18 2/a900 Hospital 4 14 2/a1500 Town 32 55 3",
        },
    },

],
}

[ornate locust]

If you made this happen on a new save, did you sleep a day first?

Schedules won't start working until you've slept a day, if you put them in a save in progress

[mighty current]

i´ve tried this, yes

[vernal crest]

Have you loaded a blank schedule first?

[mighty current]

i haven´t, might i ask how i would?

[vernal crest]

Add this patch before your EditData one.

{
    "LogName": "Load blank json",
    "Action": "Load",
    "Target": "Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}_ShirouOgami",
    "FromFile": "blank.json" // this can be in a subfolder if you want
},

Your blank.json file should contain a closing and opening curly bracket pair like this:

{}

[mighty current]

like this?

{
"Changes":
[

    {
     {
"LogName": "Load blank json",
"Action": "Load",
"Target": "Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}_ShirouOgami",
"FromFile": "blank.json" // this can be in a subfolder if you want

},
"LogName": "Ogami Schedule",
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Characters/schedules/{{ModId}}_ShirouOgami",
"Entries": {
"spring": "610 BusStop 29 18 2/a900 Hospital 4 14 2/a1500 Town 32 55 3",
},
},
],
}

[vernal crest]

No, you've put the Load patch inside the EditData patch. You need to fix your brackets so they're two separate ones inside the square brackets of the Changes block.

[mighty current]

ah, okay !!

HE IS MOVING !!!

thank you for the help ❤️

[brave fable]

is there a standard style people have gravitated towards for mod-added custom GSQ IDs

[lucid mulch]

modid or just mod author prefixed

[brave fable]

in uppercase? with period?

[lucid mulch]

iirc normal casing with a period seperator

the one thats shipped with ContentPatcher is Pathoschild.ContentPatcher_MigrateIds

so guess it is underscore seperator then

[uncut viper]

thats a trigger action not a GSQ

[lucid mulch]

ah true

[uncut viper]

GSQs are almost always {{ModId}}_GSQ_NAME_LIKE_THIS

e.g. Spiderbuttons.BETAS_HAS_MOD or EscaMMC.EMP_IS_TIME_PAUSED

[brave fable]

i bet that sure looks a lot better with an acronym uniqueid than with blueberry.BlueberryMushroomMachine.CP_MY_FUNNY_GAME_STATE_QUERY

[uncut viper]

(though i guess maybe a not so good example to use two mod ids where the mod name is all caps'd (though i did just guess what EMPs is idk what it is)

[lucid mulch]

Esca.EMP_IS_WORLD_READY from their docs

[uncut viper]

im sure all internal IDs would look better if we didnt follow the mod id convention

but we do in order to prevent conflicts no matter how unlikely

[lucid mulch]

when VS eventually loads I'll dump the list of GSQs my modded save has to see if there are other examples

[gray bear]

this is nice

[brave fable]

your VS might need to lose a little weight

[lucid mulch]

there isn't perfect consistency

most common is modid_UPPERCASE_ID
but there are some that modid all lowercase, some that modid all upercase.

VMV has both

VMV.HasSeenActiveDialogueEvent
VMV.MONSTER_NAME

and whatever this is, does the inverted convention

NAT_NIV_DonatedSpecific
NAT_NIV_CaughtSpecific

[uncut viper]

having both is diabolical

i feel like its just beneficial/less confusing to stick to what mod authors already expect a GSQ to look like, which is screaming snake case to match the 100 or so odd vanilla ones that set the example in the first place

[brave fable]

thrilled to see the love of cooking is the only mod in the list which uses screamingsnakecase and a unique id (maybe unlockable bundles counts)

really i'm the one breaking convention here

[hard fern]

why is the snake scramnign

&screamind

[brave fable]

1. why isn't the snake screaming

2. if you were smart, you'd be screaming too

[lucid mulch]

I find the ones that put their modid after the PLAYER_ prefix hilarious

[brave fable]

i think it's actually spacecore doing that for custom skills lol

i definitely didn't pick it for the cooking skill

cute that it makes them uppercase to match gsq style

[lucid mulch]

ah yeah, they all also ended in _LEVEL

[inland rain]

does anyone have an idea why the nexus mods site is no longer remembering form entries for autofill? at some point it stopped remembering things I put in forms and it only has very old autofill options in its forms. I'm using Firefox

[iron ridge]

firefox dropdowns for past input is just quite unreliable

[obtuse wigeon]

the firefox cache is also quite volitile, depending on your privacy settings it gets cleared after a little while I think?

[obtuse wigeon]

Are comments on nexus weirdly escaping characters for anyone else?

[lucid iron]

oh i saw that happen

[obtuse wigeon]

I haven't replied to comments on nexus recently so it started happening sometime between now and a week ago, at least the comment still is there

[gray bear]

why firefox, we trusted you

[fast plaza]

can't remember off the top of my head, whats the standard form for QualifiedItemIDs for mods?

Like is it (O)[ModName].ItemName?

[brave fable]

preferably "(QUALIFIER){{ModId}}_ItemName"

[fast plaza]

awesome, So if my mod was called abc and the item was called def and it was a standard object it should be (O){abc}_def ?

or is that double brackets

so (O){{abc}}_def?

[tiny zealot]

{{ModId}} is a content patcher token which CP replaces with your mod id. don't use literal braces

[brave fable]

no, your item would be "(O){{ModId}}_def"

[tiny zealot]

use the item's actual id as seen by the game, and prepend it with the qualifier, which for object is (O)

[fast plaza]

Is content patcher a seperate thing from SMAPI? my mod is currently just using SMAPI and harmonylib

[tiny zealot]

yes

[lucid iron]

If you are doing stuff in C# then just do normal string interpolation

[brave fable]

are you writing your qualified item ID in a C# mod? if so, you can't use CP tokens or tokenisation

[tiny zealot]

1. is this for your item in your mod, or are you specifying an item from another existing mod?

[fast plaza]

this is an item in my mod but I wanna make it work with the standard for other mods for compatability reasons

ngl I was using item ids like 3501 etc. which I'm trying to fix way later than I should be

[tiny zealot]

definitely do not use number ids

[lucid iron]

I guess it's probably worth asking like

[brave fable]

for an item from your own mod, you might use $"(O){this.ModManifest.UniqueID}_def" for the qualified ID (assuming it's called from a ModEntry instance)

[fast plaza]

just wanna get things up to standards so I don't mess up other mods

[lucid iron]

Do you actually need C# here lol

[fast plaza]

yes my mod adds a loooot of C# stuff

[tiny zealot]

(it may still be easier for you to outsource the content parts of your mod to a CP pack)

for example, if you have an NPC, using CP is likely to save you work since it already has many helpful features that you would have to implement yourself

[lucid iron]

Then yeah get ur mod id from Manifest.UniqueID (did i spell it right)

[brave fable]

yeah it's fine to divide your mod in half and add all the content via CP. i'm just wrapping up doing that for Mushroom Propagator

imo it's much, much better

[lucid iron]

I also just put my own mod id in a const string cus it is not like I want to change it often

[oblique meadow]

Content patcher is ridiculously powerful in what it can offer. With a bit of creativity I’ve managed to do some things that should’ve technically been with C#

[brave fable]

also weighing up renaming the solution and projects from BlueberryMushroomMachine to MushroomPropagator

i'm happy to rename the whole mod, but it does involve wiping all the git history

which is rotten

[lucid iron]

❎ rotten
✅ fertile fungi grounds

[brave fable]

while true,

[tiny zealot]

i am fond of telling people that my NPC started as all-C# and i switched to CP for most of it when i found myself reimplementing content patcher poorly

[calm nebula]

It should not delete all git history

Git, unlike my nemesis, handles a renamed file

[fast plaza]

hah yeah I'm sure I've done tons of stuff that content patcher already does better

[brave fable]

i'll push develop and see how well github likes it

[fast plaza]

but I'm not in a position to change it rn cuz the structure is very dependent on the items being in the C#. Thanks for the help with the IDs though guys!

[lucid iron]

--force solves everything trust

[brave fable]

believe me, because of the whole content pipeline structure and separation of assets from codebase, there's no amount of coupling that can stop you from moving all the basics out to CP

it might be dramatic, but it's doable and a huge improvement

[tiny zealot]

just to be 100% sure we got it, how to format your unique string ids

[brave fable]

anyway i'm not gonna tell you how to make your mod, just tell you how i made mine

[tiny zealot]

that's for the id itself. the qualifier is separate and you put that on if you need it

[fast plaza]

thanks for the advice!

[gray bear]

i am making yet another child, and fighting more pixels, someone save me from myself

[lucid iron]

I like having purely content mods and purely c# mods for vague feelings based reasons personally

[fast plaza]

the qualifier is definitely gonna get confusing. Hoping I dont break anything here

oh well, I'm sure I will, but shoulda started with stringIDs rather than numericIDs

[lucid iron]

Just so u know if ur mod is already released people will get error items bc you changed id

[fast plaza]

yeah its not yet thankfully

I'm changing it before release so I don't have that problem later

[gray bear]

[sweats in error sushi]

[lucid iron]

Content Patcher has a traction for fixing this (migrateids) at any rate

Bea u probably could have used it

[gray bear]

i did not know this

[brave fable]

qualifiers are pretty simple, it's only adding new ones that gets hairy. it's worth noting that you can't use the qualifier in certain contexts, such as Data/CraftingRecipes keys, but you have to in others, such as in Data/CraftingRecipes output fields 💫

or rather you have to if there's ambiguity

[gray bear]

i am once again sadge about things i don't know

[brave fable]

i thought ignorance was meant to be bliss

[fast plaza]

yeah thats what I'm worried about haha

[lucid iron]

I think it was made to migrate JA to 1.6 CP

[gray bear]

no its torture

i just did that manually

[lucid iron]

Is there a mod that adds a new qualifier

[tiny zealot]

chu you'll be glad to know that my "core mod" has its own bespoke migration stuff in it because i'm not sane (and because i think it predates CP's)

[brave fable]

don't worry, a minute of testing is worth an hour of troubleshooting. just try things as you go and you'll be fine

[lucid iron]

It's not for u persay, just to move the would be error items

[fast plaza]

true true

[brave fable]

per se*

[lucid iron]

👁️core moment

[gray bear]

ya'll got cores

[brave fable]

sure, i make one every minute. LOC has one, mushroom propagator has one as of an hour ago, RGB probably has one, unfinished mod has like half a dozen by now

[lucid iron]

Why do keep making them

[tiny zealot]

(i don't, but chu calls lacey my core mod because it's full of weird core mod shit. its name does contain the word "core" but that's mostly unrelated)

[gray bear]

LaceyCore

[lucid iron]

What if u just make one qualifier (BB)Thingymajig

[brave fable]

it's almost a requirement to make a new qualifier if you create a new item class and have it created through the ItemRegistry

because they're entirely different classes of items

[lucid iron]

I guess that's the other part I don't understand cus I am allergic to new classes too

[brave fable]

if i made one qualifier the definition would have a dozen branches

you'll find there's only 3 results in this channel if you search BaseItemDataDefinition and 2 of them are me

[lucid iron]

I think i been getting by with just (O) from a special item query

[tiny zealot]

my strategy is to avoid creating items that aren't (O) 😌

[brave fable]

highly recommended

[gray bear]

i was considering having a config to move sushi stall to central station but then it's like:

1. im gonna get comments about where the stall is if they enable it by accident
2. ew, maps
3. effort, mostly

also do people who use CS even like, go places

[hallow prism]

once CS has the rotating shop feature it'll be easier to have it as an additional content

[lucid iron]

Yeah I don't think it's there atm

[hallow prism]

and people may have both shop at the same time but honestly since they warp, why couldn't the npcs anyway

[lucid iron]

However I was always confused that the sushi stall is in the forest instead of the beach

[hallow prism]

i would say it's the kind of things i would personally keep as a "future scope creep"

[gray bear]

there are fish everywjere

[lucid iron]

Yeah but you shouldn't eat fresh water fish raw, parasites

[gray bear]

fairy vendor does fairy magic to remove them for the sushi, clearly

[brave fable]

surprised that git is okay with renaming the whole project, history shows up fine in vs and github. very cool

[tiny zealot]

this is extremely not a concern in stardew, have you played the game smh /lh

[gray bear]

vanilla has u making sashimi with anyr aw fish

[lucid iron]

Is the fairy FDA certified

[tiny zealot]

if your farmer isn't horfing down cheap raw fish and algae to make more energy for more fishing what are you even doing

[brave fable]

yes farmer. throw a pufferfish into the luau soup. doom us all

[gray bear]

FDA stands for
Fairy
D
Administration

im not good with acronyms

[oblique meadow]

Fairy Doeswhatshewants Administration

[gray bear]

exactly
if you wanna file a complaint, you must give your name

[hallow prism]

dynamic dialogues my beloved

(featuring DSV for haley/emily portraits, and quinn in the background)

[gray bear]

cool!
shouldn't the 2nd one be "Emily has a lot of different ones" or even "different types"?

look at me, talking about grammar. who am i

[hallow prism]

oh yeah, i often have extra or missing s

[brave fable]

skipping letters like it's french. smh

[hallow prism]

the cheese is distracting me

[calm nebula]

Food and drug administration iirc

[tender bloom]

Yup

But we like the fairies better

[gray bear]

ah, t'was a joke, should've added /j
FDA probably doesn't exist for stardew

unless it's the actual fairies being like "eat a raw fish"

[tender bloom]

Probably it’s fairies in Stardew

Making it so none of our wine goes all gross

Despite the fact that we literally just learned to make wine

[gray bear]

u put it in a keg and forget about it till its done. magic i'd say

[brave fable]

god i wish i updated instant farm caves before updating the mushroom propagator

[gray bear]

what does intant farm caves do?

[brave fable]

i wish to see a demetriums never again

you know farm caves? instantly.

[gray bear]

instead of the cutscene u just get it at game start?

[brave fable]

without delay.

[gray bear]

he do be talking a lot

[calm nebula]

Can't you just

Use a trigger action

[lucid iron]

Just give yourself 14499 money only

[dire spindle]

I was thinking of making a mod which replaces the regular NPC’s to Attack on Titan characters, but it might take effort so if anyone wants to help me it’s definitely appreciated!

[lucid iron]

Can you rewrite his event to make it skippable

[dire spindle]

Just send me a DM

[gray bear]

code for that wouldn't be very difficult

[lucid iron]

There's several AoT new NPC mods out there (but don't let that stop you from making your own!)

I point this out because you don't need to replace vanilla NPCs you can just add new

[brave fable]

has any one of them made a titan for them to attack

[gray bear]

in general there's a lot of mods that replace NPCs

[dire spindle]

Yeah I’ve seen those! I was just thinking of making one that replaces vanilla NPCs because I feel like it would be more immersive for me

[gray bear]

don't think so? wouldn't that require c#

how big is a titan

[lucid iron]

Sure go for it

[dire spindle]

I don’t think so, I wonder how that would work

[lucid iron]

But take a look at the npc guides anyways

[tiny zealot]

isn't there like a boss monsters mod or framework or something

[dire spindle]

Okk I will!

[humble timber]

replacing vanilla NPCs other than visually is actually arguably way more difficult than just making new NPCs , i was originally going to do replacers for my pokemon expansion and decided it was very not worth lmao

[lucid iron]

!npc

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[tiny zealot]

i assume you'd use that (i don't know anything about attack on titan. i assume the titans are big)

[dire spindle]

Oh seriously 😭

[gray bear]

yeah aede made one ichor

[lucid iron]

Yeah compat very hard for lore things

[humble timber]

changing schedules.. houses. dialogue. etc

[lucid iron]

But hey you should only care about compat in ur own mod list

[brave fable]

i'd argue replacing a vanilla npc is simpler if you're not going the full distance, since you're fine to change only as much as you like, all the rest is done for you in one way or another

[dire spindle]

Oh I was just thinking of replacing sprites and portraits, not changing the lore

[gray bear]

they are quite large
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/5864
thi isn't a framework per say

[lucid iron]

We r ofc gonna warn u so u know what's the deal

[gray bear]

if it's only visual then yeah replacing is not difficult at all

[humble timber]

oh yeah for sure
i was going full deranged mode and wanted dialogue and my self indulgent lore and stuff so

[dire spindle]

Yeah I was just thinking visually

[humble timber]

Realized it was better to go full expansion for my case

[gray bear]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-the-lore-game-theory-brain-explosion-gif-26749218

[tiny zealot]

so do you go through central station to get to johto, or /lh

[brave fable]

visually is simple enough, just it's impossible to account for all the instances where names and nicknames appear in various dialogues and events in the game. it's best not to worry about that though since it can't be helped

[dire spindle]

Yeah that’s true 😭

[brave fable]

there's C# mods out there that will try and replace them for you, but nothing's all-encompassing

[gray bear]

dialogues and not using display names instead of static ones

[dire spindle]

Maybe I could just keep the names, imagine a portrait of Eren being named Clint 😭

[gray bear]

easier as a game maker, not so much for a mod maker

[humble timber]

LMAOOO
it won't straight up be going to a pokemon region(I prefer having NPCs that fit into sdv lore rather than going full 'they got isekai'd' or Yeah This Pokemon Location Exists In SDV Now) but I'll have it accessible via central station and possibly the bus once unlocked

current idea is that it's actually not Horribly far from pelican town but not super close either

[gray bear]

shane would adopt a chicken pokemon

[humble timber]

is. hang on i cant even think of
oh torchic

[gray bear]

https://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/7/7d/0255Torchic.png/640px-0255Torchic.png

someone put this on shane i beg /lh

[tribal ore]

Does CP have an if/else syntax? I doubt it, but wanted to double check. Would love to write something like:
"Min": ( conditiontrue )? "VAL1" : "VAL2"

But I'm guessing I just have to keep creating paired dynamic tokens

[hallow prism]

CP has query

they can do a lot of stuff but you need the proper format

i can't really help with that as i don't like the logic involved but if you need help you may need to provide some context

[tribal ore]

Alright. I've used query but don't like the syntax. Was hoping for a shorthand

Ah well xD

[karmic vortex]

if i wanted to change the machine assets in industrialization redux to something else would using the method used in bogs resource rituals be the best way? link to bogs: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/26331 link to industrialization redux: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/22351

[hallow prism]

it will be hard to tell for people not familiar with those mods

[karmic vortex]

for industrialization, the asset files contain one large sprite index rather than individual files

[hallow prism]

you may want to provide examples of the goal and the method you want to use

large file is slightly better in term of performance, althought it is probably negligible on this scale

so it's about what is the easiest for you (what is the most logic, easier to maintain and such)

[karmic vortex]

forgot to do that sorry! did an edit that contains the links

[late gull]

Sorry if this is a dumb question - if I export a vanilla tilesheet (e.g. outdoors.tsx) to load and use in a custom map, do I have to include that tilesheet with my mod's assets?

[humble timber]

no

[hallow prism]

no, it's not dumb, and no, you don't include vanilla assets

you can have them in the same folder if needed if they are prefaced by a dot like .spring_whatever

i find it cleaner to not have them at all in mod release, but i know different people work differently on their mod

[late gull]

Thanks, that's what I thought but for some reason outdoors.tsx can't be loaded unless its in the same folder as the map file

Ah shoot, I didn't realize in my process of learning to not copy tiles between maps... That means I'll need to include the tilesheet with the dot preface, I assume?

[hallow prism]

i'm not sure of the reasoning?

[late gull]

Sorry, I'm quite confused right now because I'm learning so I might not be able to communicate what I mean in the best way. I exported outdoors.tsx from the Mountain map to use to in my custom map. In the process, I copied the train tunnel tiles from the Mountain map and pasted them to my custom map. Now when I try to load my custom map, it refused to load unless outdoors.tsx is in the same folder as the map file. I am not quite sure what to do from here

[hallow prism]

you need to embenning the tilesheets if i remember right

this option (yours is likely not in french)

honestly i'm not quite sure of the details so you may want to have a backup and tinker with stuff

[gray bear]

if it's a tsx file ur doing it wrong

[hallow prism]

not really, it is convenient to import some datas as far as i remember

all the tiles animations

[gray bear]

if they're just using map tilesheets like spring_outdoorstilesheet is it also fine? will the game recognize it.

[hallow prism]

i mean, it's why i suggest the embedding, but potentially, i don't remember what is the content of the file exactly

[late gull]

The method I've been using is Map > Add External Tilesheet which loads a tsx file. It doesn't prompt to embed it. Should I be adding a new tilesheet instead, checking embed in map, and setting up the animations myself?

[gray bear]

there should be a checkmark, lumina showcased it

I am unsure how smapi handles tsx maps

[lucid iron]

Badly tbh

Anyways you can embed it afterwards

[tame burrow]

Tene Nova got me using tsx sheets bc they save all the animations in vanilla on export. I just always forget to embed it

[gray bear]

if you embed it you can remove the tsx file later?

[late gull]

Thanks, I've found the embed button on the tilesets tab and it now works without the tsx file 🙂

[gray bear]

[finite ginkgo]

Yeah

[gray bear]

the modding maps page only refrences tile animations

[finite ginkgo]

There's no functional difference between just the png and a tsx after being embedded, all the data is in the map afterwards

The tsx just comes with the data already bundled in

[hallow prism]

yeah it's really convenient if you set everything on a map in term of anim and for whatever reason needs to export it to another but can't copy the map as a base or whatever

[gray bear]

ah, I understand now, thank you Ender and Lumina 💜

[lethal herald]

Hi, I'm a new to mods.

I wanted to know if there's a way to ALWAYS show me a menu like the one shown in dialogs or schedules ($q), or something similar, when I right-click on an NPC, for example Robin.

Using Content Patcher.

[lucid iron]

The multiple choice dialogue?

[lethal herald]

Yes or some other function that displays a menu with options to select

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/Mushymato/MiscMapActionsProperties/blob/main/docs/question-dialogue.md

Needs a framework usually

Might be able to hack around it with enough $q

[lethal herald]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[trim ruin]

Hello SDV Modding community!

I'm determined to make a whole new Bachelor Mod with doing the coding and all. With just one problem... I don't know how to code or even find my way around Visual studio code. I wanted to do it entirely myself but I figured very quickly that I'm absolutely gonna need help. I've downloaded the september 2022 version (1.72.2) of VSC, SMAPI, ContentPatcher and .NET v6.0.428 like the Stardew Mod wiki instructed and have already added C# but the .NET doesnt even show up in VSC. Instead it installs .NET Install tool (is it supposed to...?)
The wiki then says to "create an empty Class Library project. (Don't select Class Library (.NET Framework)!)" - The option to "create an empty class library project" doesn't even show up for me and I'm honestly overwhelmed...
I hope some more experienced modders can help me figure out the the problem(s) and help me solve them. ✨

[lucid iron]

What does Bachelor mod do? New NPC?

[trim ruin]

Ah yes! I would like to add a New romancable character!

[hallow prism]

then you don't need C#

you may be able to do everything with CP unless you really want fancy stuff

Content Patcher

!npc do we have a command

[ocean sail]

Creating a Custom NPC

Keep in mind that making NPCs is a complex process that requires learning many different aspects of Stardew modding.
Here are a few links that can help get you started on all that you need to know:

• Tiakall has a great tutorial on making a custom NPC for 1.6.

• NPCs no longer use dispositions, check the wiki page for the new NPC data.

• Aviroen has put together a template that will allow you to easily create a romanceable NPC.

• Feel free to jump into the https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1277457201077813280 thread for more interactive feedback and help!

• Fireredlily has a WIP NPC Builder Please do report any errors you get with it into the NPC thread!

To use this command, type !npc.

[gray bear]

this is quite a nice command

[hallow prism]

(dear junimos, i'd like to report a bug, i used a command and it was the correct one, i believe there is an error somewhere /j)

[humble timber]

lmao

[ocean sail]

makenpc is now an alias for npc!

[gray bear]

figured that'll be helpful? idk

[trim ruin]

Omg thank you so much! I'll try that out!

[hallow prism]

sure! note that it is still a lot of work, but you can do it step by step and get help

[humble timber]

I've found it pretty easy to follow as a pure content modder, it's just events that scare me still now lmao

[keen mortar]

hi! anybody know where to start if i want to make a dialogue expansion mod for npcs?

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh.. wow... either SVE or Alec revisited do this to the forest map... it's so laggy!

[gray bear]

what, happened

[hallow prism]

lot of tiledata

[obtuse wigeon]

It seems many tiles have multiple layers of tile properties

[hallow prism]

ok, time for a break before tackling {break}

[urban patrol]

this is something to do with the game, not a mod i don’t think. i’ve seen this happen when i open patch exported maps

[obtuse wigeon]

Oh, odd? I've never seen it happen before, even with the same map

[lucid iron]

It's actually due to a smapi bug fix

The rotation data are now baked into the tiles

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahhh so patch export maps will always look like this from now on?

[calm nebula]

Yeah

Oops sorry

[lucid iron]

Atra can you fix it thx

Just PR CP to clean these outta the export plz

[gentle rose]

is this from the alpha version of content patcher for .16

[lucid iron]

No it's just current smapi

[gentle rose]

ah

[calm nebula]

Look, the second I get some free time I'm taking a long well deserved nap

And then I'll putter around a bit

And THEN I'll consider cleaning that up

[tribal ore]

Any mods that will show the number of days before a CT expires to the user?

[lucid iron]

Do u wanna make one

I think the problem is localizing CT names

[tribal ore]

I don't really want to make one, no :/ I was hoping I could recommend one to users who get impatient when timers don't run out quickly

"If you want to see how long before X happens, install this mod"

If there isn't one... maybe I'll think about making one eventually

[lucid iron]

I think the best thing you can do as mod author is just send some mail

Or hud message even

[tribal ore]

sigh Yeah. Mail requires an in-universe explanation for immersion. At least, I feel like they do

HUD messages are interesting. But is that a C# thing only or can I do that with just CP?

[lucid iron]

Farmer the unusually large chicken statue you ordered is ready please come pick it up -Leah probably

[tribal ore]

My problem is that, for wedding proposals, I introduced random timing between when you reach 10 hearts and when the proposal happens. So even for the proposals that require letters to start, I'm not going to have NPCs saying "Hey farmer, I'm going to propose to you in 10 days. Mark your calendar."

People can turn random timing off. But they get impatient

[lucid iron]

Patch the calendar then

[tribal ore]

Hmmmmm

[uncut light]

Hey, I'm not sure if this is the right channel but I was trying to debug a mod and the game would fail to launch. I put in the right game path, the debugger would update the mod, but it would fail to launch automatically. It got fixed when I moved the project to the same drive as stardew is on, is that a bug with the debugger or was there just an issue with the project I was using?

[lucid iron]

I do kinda want to make a calendar display mod

[lucid iron]

Are you using rider

[uncut light]

What's that?

[lucid iron]

A C# ide, has known bug for debugger stuff

[uncut light]

No I was using VSCode

[gentle rose]

vscode or visual studio?

[uncut light]

Visual Studio Code

[gentle rose]

(also, what's your beagle's name )

btw this is absolutely the right channel dw

but most people here use either Rider or VS so it's hard to tell tbh it may well be an issue with the debugger

[uncut light]

I had fixed the issue by moving the project to the same drive, but I'm mostly just wondering if it was an issue with what I'm using or I should make a github report about it

[gentle rose]

both rider and vs are free for non-commercial use though so I really recommend downloading those if you're going to be dealing with c# stuff!

[gentle rose]

(also, what's the bug? because I used the debugger a few days ago and it was laggy but worked just fine all in all)

[mellow knot]

@brave fable saw the mushroom propagator update !! One of my OG favorite mods hehe. I was wondering, I saw that other objects can be added via config, but would you be ok with CP mods that add objects and matching growth sprites to the propagator? I was thinking an add on for either WAG or Rose and The Alchemist could be a lot of fun for folks (and me. Im folks. lol)

[lucid iron]

You can't attach debugger on linux on rider

[pine elbow]

learning how to make pixel art

[gray bear]

!pixelart

[ocean sail]

Where to Start With SDV-Style Pixel Art
If you've never done pixel art before, don't stress! It's easy to pick up the basics - the key is to start small, ask for feedback, and incorporate that into your work.

To start, you'll want an art program. See a list of recommended programs in the !software command.

Here's some good beginner tutorials!
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11299&PID=139322
https://medium.com/pixel-grimoire/how-to-start-making-pixel-art-2d1e31a5ceab

To start off, try opening an existing portrait and changing the outfit. Start small: edit a shirt pattern, change a jacket collar, or remove a scarf and draw the clothes underneath. Ask for feedback too! The best way to improve is learning how to identify what's wrong and why, so then you can work out how to fix it.

Here's more good tips from the artist of "Celeste":
General pixel art 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-1-6971422
General pixel art 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-part-2-11225146
Outlines: https://www.patreon.com/posts/outlines-14106192
Shading: https://www.patreon.com/posts/shading-13869731
Portraits: https://www.patreon.com/posts/portraits-8693396

SDV has a few quirks to remember too:

• Colour limits: Limit the number of shades you use - stick to six including the outline.
• Hue shifts: Rather than making shadows and highlights lighter or darker versions of the base tone, SDV shifts the hue too. Eg. a base orange will have yellow highlights and red shadows. This goes for skintones too!
• Light source: SDV uses a top-right & slightly forward light source - check the vanilla art for reference.
  Most importantly, don't hesitate to ask questions and get advice from people. Have fun!

To use this command, type !pixelart.

[gray bear]

!pixelartinfo

[ocean sail]

Pixel Art Infographics

Here is a selection of the best entries from the Pixel Art Infographic Contest hosted in the 2024 Pixel Art Jam:

Hue Shifting by @slender badger

Dithering by @tiny zealot

Anti Aliasing by @twilit goblet

Character Animation by @faint cypress

How to Draw Stacked Stones by @lament berry

Making a Stardew Valley Portrait by @ornate trellis

To use this command, type !pixelartinfo.

[trim ruin]

Alright, I'm as far as creating the manifest.json file and used the code on the wiki as a template. I do have a question about the UpdateKeys Space: Do I NEED to have a ''Nexus: X/Y'' number thingy and if yes - where and how do I retrieve it from?

[gray bear]

Nexus one is achieved by making a mod page on nexus

u want this bit here

[trim ruin]

Oof I assume that means I need it lol Thank you!

[uncut viper]

(you don't NEED it though)

[gray bear]

(changes with different mods ofc)

[trim ruin]

Oh!

[gray bear]

oh yeah it's optional, can always add it later

[uncut viper]

just don't forget to add it before you publish your mod

[trim ruin]

ahh I see

[gray bear]

making a mod page is a finallizing step so just, keep it as "Nexus:" for now

[trim ruin]

so I can just put "0000" in the blank until I have it?

[uncut viper]

could also just put []

[trim ruin]

Alright thank you!

[gray bear]

smapi will complain, but nothing will break

[uncut viper]

I wouldn't put a real number because then SMAPI won't tell you that you're missing the update key

but in this case the SMAPI telling you it doesn't have an update key is good bc it hopefully means you won't forget it

hopefully

[gray bear]

hopefully indeed

[trim ruin]

I'll just write placeholder in it then haha

[gray bear]

no don't, do that

[uncut viper]

writing the placeholder is the opposite of what was just recommended

[trim ruin]

Oh

[gray bear]

["Nexus:"] or just []

[uncut viper]

The first one would need quotes bea

[trim ruin]

ahh alright, Thanks

[lucid iron]

Tbh if you are worried at all just go make a page now

[gray bear]

they would yes

[lucid iron]

you can get the number before you ever upload a file

[nova mirage]

hello guys

[gentle rose]

idk if this is the right place to look for minecraft and 3d modelling commissions ngl 😅 considering this is a stardew modding channel

[uncut light]

Very new account?

[gray bear]

i don't think we allow for self promo either

[gentle rose]

is it not? there's the commissions command and everything

[uncut viper]

You can put commissions on your dn but can't promo yourself

[gentle rose]

ah I see

[nova mirage]

Am sorry guys, am new to discord

[gray bear]

that is different. see rule 5

[lucid iron]

Can you invent sdv 3D before you offer sdv mod 3D comms

[gray bear]

someone tried doing that once no

[lucid iron]

I mean i think it'd be cool

[gentle rose]

tbf they only offered minecraft mod comms

[gentle rose]

yup, Casey

[obtuse wigeon]

FPS stardew

[uncut light]

If you mod minecraft enough its basically indistinguishable from stardew

[gray bear]

elaborate

[gentle rose]

with enough mods anything is possible

[lucid iron]

Idk i seen minecraft vids where someone plants wheat

Basically sdv already trust

[gray bear]

it does got farming, combat, mining

fishing?

[brittle pasture]

can you romance shane in minecraft tho

[lucid iron]

Mc villager noises mod...

[gentle rose]

depends. what do you consider to be romantic

[fading walrus]

huh

[fringe steppe]

Is there anyone with the tractor mod here ...

[gray bear]

what do you consider a shane

[lucid iron]

Instead of good VAs we just give everyone villager noises

[gentle rose]

nexus, probably?

[lucid iron]

It'll be great trust

-# voxbox when

[brittle pasture]

if you’re asking questions about using mods #modded-stardew is a better place

[fringe steppe]

No i just have a question about the tractor mod

☹️

[gentle rose]

oh, then what selph said

[fringe steppe]

Oh oh okay thank you

[gray bear]

still modded-farmers, we make tractors here

well by we i mean just pathos

[fringe steppe]

Sorry im a bit slow shsjajajs

[gray bear]

no worries

[gentle rose]

dw, hopefully they have an answer

well pathos didn't make a tractor, he put a tractor costume on a horse

[gray bear]

i think he fixed it showing on the animal tab?

[lucid iron]

I thought tractor was originally made by someone else

[gentle rose]

still a horse

just invisible now

[gray bear]

o

i didn't know this lore

[obtuse wigeon]

While Pathos has made many mods, they also maintain many many mods that have been either abandoned or not updated in a very long time, CJB suite is one

[gray bear]

Stop Killing Mods

!pathos

[ocean sail]

To use this command, type !pathos.

[uncut viper]

and somehow has time for all of them

and official dev work

[gray bear]

what is a pathos

[obtuse wigeon]

I'm struggling with my few, I have no idea how pathos does it, I swear they own the time turner or something

[uncut viper]

and maybe another job on top of that? Unsure

Pathos is the closest I've seen to an actual modding machine I think

[gray bear]

maybe he just has a time machine

[uncut viper]

(/complimentary)

[obtuse wigeon]

Have we thought that maybe Pathos is not just one, but many many people disguised as one

[brittle pasture]

and erinthe

[obtuse wigeon]

Pathoschildren

[uncut viper]

if they are a collective, then at least they are all nice

[gray bear]

i see them (unsure about their pronouns?) updating and im just like woAH it takes me years to update 1 mod

[obtuse wigeon]

Is there a mod that lets you set a machine to only do specific recipes?

[gray bear]

what u mean

[obtuse wigeon]

Like sets a furnace to only process Iron bars, but not Gold or Copper

even though they''re in the same chest

forgor to say for use with automate

[brittle pasture]

Machine Control Panel

[obtuse wigeon]

Ahh perfect thank you! this will make it easier to debug which things aren't working

[obtuse wigeon]

Unfortunatly it doesn't Quite seem to do what I'm looking for, unless I'm completly missing it, it only lets me set machine rules for areas and not specific instances of machines

[lucid iron]

Yeah that's what it do atm

What is the goal here

[obtuse wigeon]

at this point I don't even remember the original premise for this mod

no more working on it tonight, brain = mush

[lucid iron]

Well machine control panel isn't a framework anyways

It does do more processing than LA in terms of determining what recipes and what output so you can use it to check stuff easier

[obtuse wigeon]

That's what I was intending to use it for, as a diagnostic tool than a framework

[ivory plume]

(Little experiment for Data Layers: an 'auto' layer which chooses the best overlay for whatever you're holding.)

[gentle rose]

is there a mushroom log range data layer btw?

[ivory plume]

Nope, though it's on my list of ideas for future versions.

[lucid iron]

Pathos do u like idea of fishing depths layer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/844169712455254037/1400027872248201308/fishzone_s_Farm.png?ex=68b20950&is=68b0b7d0&hm=f139b30964c66be57cffb5d78a07cb361960b674718ed72f357d8fb8302f8907&

[ivory plume]

Yep! That's on my list of ideas too.

[lucid iron]

I made a standalone thing for wiki graphic purposes

[ivory plume]

(And the 'auto' layer could show it when you select a fishing rod.)

[lucid iron]

But i wanted to PR the player version to data layers too

Dunno how we should display the fishing area though

[ivory plume]

Color-coded might be fine, with the default group borders so you can count depth even without color?

[blissful panther]

Yeah, solely colour-coded without configuration could be a bit of an accessibility problem.

That auto-layer feature would probably turn Data Layers into something I use and have enabled all the time, though.

[obtuse wigeon]

Color coded only could work fine as long as the brightness/ contrast also changes with fishing depth

(or unique shapes for each fishing depth in a different brightness contrast or numbers like the image)

[lucid iron]

I was lazy so i just drew actual numbers (for this one off thing)

Did you know you can get 0 fishing depth sometimes

[obtuse wigeon]

The numbers work great, I just dislike pixelated fonts

0 depth fishing spots?

[lucid iron]

By fishing area, I meant the big white bordered box saying "RiverAndLargePond"

It's very at odds with the current data layer ux

[blissful panther]

I actually really like how yours looks.

[late gull]

Do I have to do anything specific for season changes on my custom map? The tileset doesn't change with the seasons.

[lucid iron]

Is it outdoors

[late gull]

Yeah it is

[lucid iron]

Are your tilesheets named like spring_blah and is sourced from content

[late gull]

Main one is outdoors.tsx, i am using spring_town too but only for one of the buildings.

[gray bear]

rename to spring_outdoors ?