making-mods-general

[rancid musk]

In my experience people still notify me over error level log messages so I want as little to break as possible in the meanwhile.

[twin oracle]

.... Can I buy you a coffee?

ffs, that was such a simple solution. Sorry for wasting your time.

[rancid musk]

But yeah, GetApi<T>(...) will throw an exception. Take this code: csharp Log("Hi there!", LogLevel.Warn); var api = Helper.ModRegistry.GetApi<IBetterGameMenuApi>("leclair.cloudyskies"); Log($"API: {api}", LogLevel.Warn);
obviously, that's going to fail because it's trying to get the API from one mod using the interface of an API from a different mod. Running that code logs: [Better Game Menu] Hi there! [Better Game Menu] This mod failed in the GameLoop.GameLaunched event. Technical details: ArgumentException: Unhandled proxy/conversion method for info: ProxyInfo{target: TypeInfo{context: leclair.cloudyskies, type: Leclair.Stardew.CloudySkies.ModApi, CloudySkies, Version=1.9.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null}, proxy: TypeInfo{context: leclair.bettergamemenu, type: Leclair.Stardew.BetterGameMenu.IBetterGameMenuApi, BetterGameMenu, Version=0.5.1.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null}} ---> ArgumentException: The IBetterGameMenuApi interface defines method CreateDraw which doesn't exist in the API or depends on an interface that cannot be mapped!

[calm nebula]

I think I'm in the camp where I assume users are malicious and authors are incompetent

[reef kiln]

how would I add SVE trees to a farm map so the map has some sve trees on it to start? I feel like it should be easy but I cant figure it out.

[calm nebula]

Not in a mean way, but in a code paranoia way

So yeah, try catch all api calls, can't be sure anyone knows anything about apis

[rancid musk]

Pretty much.

At the very least make sure something breaking in your initialization code won't cause other important code to not run.

Fail as safely as possible. Your users deserve it.

[rigid oriole]

I also expected this to return null ngl

[calm nebula]

I also assume I am incompetent

Or at least, I am sometimes

[rancid musk]

Honestly this might be a SMAPI bug

[lucid iron]

May need ftm to do this

Paths only has vanilla trees on em

[rancid musk]

If you consider the docstring...

[lucid iron]

This seems more like smapi not catching the pintail exception when it should have

[reef kiln]

So not easy 😦 shoot. Was really hoping I could do it with tiled. Maybe it is not worth it.

[lucid iron]

I mean ftm is also just a framework

[calm nebula]

Can't you use the wild tree spawn paths tile

I suspect sve bus stop has an example

[twin oracle]

Oh hell, now I'm getting a different error: https://smapi.io/log/a0bcd5e185854a9a97778f121b83818e

Can't apply patch Ultimate Farm CP > Load Maps/UltimateFarm to Maps/UltimateFarm:
StardewModdingAPI.Framework.Exceptions.SContentLoadException: Ultimate Farm CP loaded map 'assets/UltimateFarm.tmx' with invalid tilesheet path '../../../../Content (unpacked)/Maps/paths.png'. Tilesheet paths must be a relative path without directory climbing (../).

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on macOS Unix 15.3.1, with 25 C# mods and 6 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[ornate locust]

I believe SVE's paths layer has the new tree type on it

[proud wyvern]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/src/SMAPI/Framework/ModHelpers/ModRegistryHelper.cs#L97

[ornate locust]

because I know I saw one of those trees when I was patching for SVE and it was on the path layer

[urban patrol]

open the tmx in notepad++ or similar, and delete everything in the filepath except paths.png

[proud wyvern]

no point try-catching yourself, since SMAPI already does and logs the error anyway.

[rancid musk]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/src/SMAPI/Framework/ModHelpers/ModRegistryHelper.cs#L133 though

That is the source of the exception, not what you were talking about.

[proud wyvern]

hm

[rancid musk]

If someone is getting an API instance as an object? for some reason, then they're fine, but that's gotta be like 1% of people at best.

And quite possibly no one

[proud wyvern]

yeah that sounds like a bug then

[lucid iron]

What would u do with an object? API

[gentle rose]

(this is what you're supposed to assume when programming afaik)

[proud wyvern]

cast it yourself to a hard-referenced type

[rancid musk]

cast it yourself if you have a hard dependency I guess?

[proud wyvern]

or reflect into it

[rancid musk]

Or that, yeah.

[calm nebula]

Otoh I would like to have the exception

Just to help debug

[lucid iron]

Well it should probably log but not throw

[rancid musk]

Based on the docstring it shouldn't throw.

[lucid iron]

Would help in case where mod author change their api incompatiblely for some reason

[ornate locust]

I was patching in this area and if I'm not mistaken, the tree marked with the C there was one of the new trees

[calm nebula]

Yeah I wrote a helper I think

That automatically logs, etc

[reef kiln]

I will check. If it is on a SVE paths layer, can I just add that tile sheet to my map? Or do I need to do something weird to get it to work.

[calm nebula]

Yes but it's very unfun

Tbh

I don't like living that way

[ornate locust]

That's the normal paths layer, but maybe SVE does something different with it? Looking at the wiki, that's supposed to park "enables the spawntree tile property on this tile" while the others mark specific trees to spawn

[lucid iron]

I assume other mod authors r very smart and then become sad

[ornate locust]

so maybe SVE does something that puts the new tree where a generic spawntile tree property marker is?

[rancid musk]

I assume I am very smart and then I read my own code from more than 1 hour ago and then become sad

[twin oracle]

Ah, I had Save As'd to the mod folder instead of to the Content folder and then copy/pasting to the Mods folder. Thank you!

[gentle rose]

nothing like reading your own code after you briefly look away to keep you humble

[ornate locust]

I know I noticed it though, I thought I'd caused a Ridgeside map incompatibility but actually Ridgeside painted down the top of the tree that USED to be there in place, before they used a spawn tree tile instead and when it was a different tree type. So there's a bit of a different tree that was floating on top of the new tree

It's something to experiment with anyway

[gentle rose]

I'm finally back to sitting at my computer after like a month of not doing it, maybe I'll finally even have the energy to mod again

[ornate locust]

Actually wait, I bet... Yeah here it is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/964558691930091610/1333331161316855818/image.png?ex=67cb42a8&is=67c9f128&hm=5b29359833c6757956314d02c36baafcdc0128a12485a02eaa517b1578cb3a21&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=902&height=493

[reef kiln]

I think I will play around with it and see. I really don't want to have to use FTM to place each tree with code. I am doing it in tiled or I will just forgo it.

[ornate locust]

here's where I reported it to Ridgeside, that's definitely the new type of tree, right?

So yeah it's the path tile with the C on it

[reef kiln]

OK, I will try that.

[gentle rose]

gonna make a mod where your farmer is asthmatic and randomly gets dizzy at random points because they can't breathe. write what you know and all that

(seeing as there are some cleverer C# authors in chat, just how cursed would rotating the farmer sprite be)

[reef kiln]

Harvey could sell inhalers

[lucid iron]

Have fun with FS

[proud wyvern]

anything that touches farmer rendering is instant hell difficulty

[gentle rose]

fs isn't my biggest concern rn, since I assume if I manage to rotate the farmer I can manage to rotate that eventually too though I'm sure I assume that purely because I have no idea what I'm talking about

[lucid iron]

I actually think it's not so bad without fs in the mix cus u just gotta transpile replace all the rotate args

[proud wyvern]

if the game didn't use SpriteBatch layer depth, it could have been doable with some matrix transformations instead

[rancid musk]

Clearly you should just draw the farmer to a render texture and then rotate that

[gentle rose]

-# I genuinely considered that

[lucid iron]

And if u just want farmer to face different directions then u can force that i think, without touching renderer

[proud wyvern]

would still need to stop the original from rendering, and working with render targets is a pain if by default switching to a render target clears it (but i genuinely don't remember if the game uses one before rendering it to the screen, or does it do so directly)

[rancid musk]

The game sometimes uses a render texture

[gentle rose]

the game renders things based on vibes as far as I can tell

[rancid musk]

Depends if you're in split screen or taking a screenshot, normally.

Some mods patch it to always use a render texture.

[gentle rose]

oh this is going to be hell for a completely unnecessary mod idea. Genuinely might do it

well, attempt it

[rancid musk]

The game decides if it's using a render texture or not based on Game1.ShouldDrawOnBuffer()

[ornate locust]

just remember, no matter how silly your mod is, somewhere out there is someone who will go "hell yes, I needed this"

[rancid musk]

Oh, right. It also uses a render texture if your zoom level isn't 100%.

[proud wyvern]

i'm on constant 75% iirc

i need to see everything

[gentle rose]

does fs use the same render texture? or does it draw on top of where the farmer is

[reef kiln]

Who plays at zoom 100% I always zoom all the way out.

I even have an extra zoom out mod.

[rancid musk]

I have a 4k monitor just by existing I am zoomed all the way out

[gentle rose]

care to spare some pixels? I'm on a 1366x768px

[rancid musk]

Ah yes, 1366 x 768 the objectively worst screen resolution.

[lucid iron]

Have u tried downloading more pixels

[rancid musk]

downloadmorescreen

[gentle rose]

it was bundled with the ram I downloaded but ever since then I've been getting weird popups about things doctors hate?

[lucid iron]

My game used to mysteriously zoom out to 75% because my primary screen is at 150% scale

Even tho game's on secondary screen

[gentle rose]

...what if I just say that on the map this happens on, the farmer's appearance magically changes, then use a premade npc sprite and hide the farmer

[tawny ore]

I have an ultrawide monitor, but I think have something like a 25%/50%/25% zones so my game takes up the mid-50% of the screen

And then I have like Discord and Youtube on the sides

[rancid musk]

That sounds like 3 monitors with extra steps

[tawny ore]

3 monitors with no bezels

[hot gale]

You guys zoom in?

[gentle rose]

out, we zoom out

[rancid musk]

How are all these people zooming in when modders don't play the game

That's the real question you should be asking

[hot gale]

I finally found a mod list im happy with so im playing finally rofl

[lucid iron]

Well we test things sometimes

Ideally

[hot gale]

Market Town is so cool

[ornate locust]

I totally have screenshot proof that I have been ingame recently (on a generic test guy)

[reef kiln]

That is actually why I want to add sve trees to a farm map. My mod list is all finished, just adding finishing touches to make the mods feel like they belong together. They I will start a new game.

[tawny ore]

Here's and older screenshot of what my maximized game looks like

[hot gale]

I would use this mod

[hallow igloo]

getting this error:
Required location 'Polydot.PolyCarts_Expa' not found.
last time I modded was 1.6.3, was there an update somwhere that removed periods from IDs?
based on this line in content patchers summary: hint: asset name may be incorrect (shouldn't include '.PolyCarts_Expa' extension).

[lucid iron]

Is that a custom location or a Data/Location

[hallow igloo]

I don't think I know what that means

it's a custom location, not an edited location from vanilla

        {
            "Action": "Load",
            "LogName": "Location Load Expa",
            "Target": "Maps/Polydot.PolyCarts_Expa",
            "FromFile": "assets/Expa/Expa.tmx"
        },
        {
            "Action": "EditData",
            "LogName": "Location EditData Expa",
            "Target": "Data/Locations",
            "Entries": {
                "Polydot.PolyCarts_Expa": {
                    "DisplayName": "Expa",
                    "DefaultArrivalTile": {
                        "X": 19,
                        "Y": 19
                    },
                    "CreateOnLoad": {
                        "MapPath": "Maps\\Polydot.PolyCarts_Expa"
                    }
                }
            }
        },```

[lucid iron]

There's no update that removed dot from id afaik

Yeah this is Data/Locations

!log

[ocean sail]

Important note: Your computer username may appear in the log. If your username is your full name, please be aware of this before uploading it.

Please share your SMAPI log file. To do so:

1. Open this page: smapi.io/log.
2. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to upload the log file. (Don't copy & paste from the console window!)
3. After uploading, it will show a green box with a URL to share. Post that URL here.

Please do it even if you don't see any errors. This has useful info like what mods and versions you have, what the mods are doing, etc. If the issue didn’t occur in your last session, please load the game to the point where the issue occurs, then upload the log.

To use this command, type !log.

[hallow igloo]

oh wait you mean the depricated custom location thing instead of changes

[lucid iron]

Yeah

[hallow igloo]

https://smapi.io/log/62a3438c96e8412d817a299798a0beea

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 10 Pro, with 19 C# mods and 20 content packs.

[rancid musk]

My favorite part of ultrawide is

[ornate locust]

I have done some... let's call it exploratory forensics, since I have it downloaded. The frontier map appears to have many placements of that C tile. I think it calls up any wild tree, and SVE adds those new trees to "Wild trees", so it should at least sometimes place one of those

[tawny ore]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[rancid musk]

Oh lol it's not even embedding cause of my screwy resolution lol

[ornate locust]

So I think SVE itself adds them to farm maps that way

[rancid musk]

But yeah, exactly.

[tawny ore]

Do you not test/play with Skip Intro and Fast Animations?

[hallow igloo]

it's a custom tree tile that needs to be specified in the object layer

[rancid musk]

I usually test with them, they just aren't in my mod set right now cause I've been messing with things.

[brittle pasture]

In case you haven't found the answer, its SpawnTree on Paths, which work with custom trees added to Data/WildTrees

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Known_tile_properties

[rancid musk]

But anyways, being serious, I normally play with 100% zoom in a window like this.

[tawny ore]

It's funny (and mildly annoying). I have an ultrawide, but most games I play in fullscreen on it give me motion sickness.

[ornate locust]

Oh wait you're right, I don't know why but the object layer for paths was hidden

[gentle rose]

does it count as 100% zoom if your monitor is an imax theatre

[hallow igloo]

they saved it hidden for some reason haha

never trust flash to do things that make sense

[dusk mulch]

every time you enter a new map you have to watch 30 seconds of trailers

[ornate locust]

Okay: Looks like you can pick the tree you want with that C on the path layer and a tiledata on the object path layer with this property:

[gentle rose]

(the joke was how big Khloe's monitor is)

[hallow igloo]

I'm unsure is Chuve is checking out my logs and I'm waiting very patiently or if they wanted me to post my logs jsut in general and I'm waiting on nothing

[hallow igloo]

is the monitor actually big as well or just high res?

[tawny ore]

My monitor at least is 49" so tiny

[hot gale]

Can I add a mod while my game is running? lol

[tawny ore]

It won't load until you restart

[rancid musk]

My 4k monitor is only 28", and I've got a 27" 1440p monitor to each side of it

[gentle rose]

are you using a tv as a monitor

[hallow igloo]

oh what

do you need the weirdest backgrounds to have windowsnot fuck that up or do you jsut duplicate them

[tawny ore]

This is what I use

[gentle rose]

'only 27" '

mine is 18.5"

[hallow igloo]

@lucid iron in case you were still looking, the problem has disappeared and I can't recreate it... so hurray

[reef kiln]

ok, i get it.

[ornate locust]

and it looks like I haven't missed anything on my own patches by not realizing a layer was hidden

[hot gale]

If someone makes a translation of my mod and uploads it independently is it in bad taste to include it in my mod?

[uncut viper]

yes. not only is it bad taste, but you dont have permission

[tawny ore]

I don't think you automatically have rights to their translation without their permission

They can reasonably request to have your mod taken down if you steal their work

[uncut viper]

their translation is their own work and you dont own it

[hot gale]

Gotcha, wasnt sure the protocl ty :)

protocol* ?

[tawny ore]

You can message them though and ask if they're alright with you embedding

[hot gale]

🤣

[tawny ore]

If you have proof of their permission being granted, that'll protect you from any unwanted moderation actions being taken against you

[lucid iron]

well ik ur issue is already gone but just to be clear the warning is actually for when ppl put asset.png instead of the load target

[uncut viper]

you technically also have the right to say they dont have permission to distribute a translation, too, butu sually mod authors want people to translate their stuff

[lucid iron]

your case is not that which makes me think this check should be less broad

[acoustic summit]

Somewhat related random question, If you weren't okay for some reason with a translation being uploaded separately are you allowed to request it to be taken down? (Button answers this, AwA should've waited 1 more second before pressing send)

[hot gale]

They asked if they could translate

[lucid iron]

yea you can

[uncut viper]

(addendum: if your mod is not open souirce licensed*)

[lucid iron]

there was a case recently actually

[uncut viper]

as a copyright owner you have the right to decide how derivative works are distributed, and that includes translations

[lucid iron]

someone did a llm translation of bear family and the mod author of bear family didn't like that

even though originally they did give permission to do the translation

the resolution is tl is taken down

common law

[tawny ore]

Unethical advice - if you don't want translations on their own pages, just randomize your keys every release (don't actually do this)

[hot gale]

I thought about including AI translation with my mod but someone here advised against it

[lucid iron]

i mean theres no point is there

lets say i cant read english but i like ur mod

why dont i just mtl for personal use

[hot gale]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[uncut viper]

also machine translation is worse than an actual translator

[lucid iron]

if you include a mtl then actual translator would go

oh its got a fr.json or whatever

and skip

[gentle rose]

or have aviroen make your content pack. instantly untranslateable

[lucid iron]

there r definitely ppl just grabbing whatever mod and tossing it into mtl tho

[gentle rose]

(said with love)

[hot gale]

whats mtl

[lucid iron]

machine translation

[dusk mulch]

"Robots should wash the dishes while I paint, not paint while I wash the dishes".

[rigid musk]

I also would ask for any AI translated versions of my mods to be taken down, I don't like that sort of thing

[ocean sail]

@rigid musk You leveled up to Shepherd. Wow, you've been talking a lot! Have a prettier, slightly more brag worthy, shade of blue.

[tawny ore]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-wall-e-team-fortress-2-autobalance-tf2-autobalance-gif-15817843004496366015

[rigid musk]

I don't- oh well then

[tawny ore]

I want robots to do absolutely everything for me

[lucid iron]

matt did u plan this

what the heck

[ornate locust]

wh

[rigid musk]

I don't want anyone putting my work into AI at all, and if you're gonna translate it, translate it yourself (respectfully)

[tawny ore]

This is my dream paradise life

[ornate locust]

how did you do that so fast

[lucid iron]

shade of blue

[rigid musk]

I think it was coincidence but it was aa very good one

like unholy timing

[lucid iron]

power.

[ornate locust]

I thought it was part of the bot command for a second

[rigid musk]

One day I will be even higher of a level... maybe one day if I spiral into more mental illness

/pos of course

I like this server and the people here you guys are great

[lucid iron]

yea but ur orang forever

[gentle rose]

but then you won't be qi blue any more

[rigid musk]

I would never get rid of the cheeto dust anyways

I'm Qi blue in my heart its okay

[gentle rose]

you're already less qi blue than your last server role. you're becoming less and less qi-like

[rigid musk]

My profile will fix it for me it's okay Iro

[dusk mulch]

you can ask bouncer to remove it but if you want it back the you cant remove it for another few months or something

i forgot the rule

let me check

[rigid musk]

Nuh uh never

I like my cheeto dust :(

One day I will collect all of the cheeto roles... like pokemon

blacksmith is just out of reach... just out of reach...

[dusk mulch]

You can ask for your special roles to be removed as a one-time courtesy. If you want that role back within two months of asking (or within two months of leaving the server and rejoining), you will get the role back. After two months have passed, though, you will have to re-earn that role. Mod Authors: If, during the two month grace period, the community list on the wiki is scrubbed, you will have to re-add your info to get the role back.

[dusk mulch]

Gota catch em all!

[gentle rose]

re-earning the role for a mod author just means still having published mods though

[tawny ore]

I wonder if you need to re-earn the level for access to the decompile repo

[ivory plume]

If the repo permissions are synced while your role is removed, your repo access will get removed too. But you can just reapply for it when you get the role back.

[rigid musk]

Iro I have further Qi-Ified my server profile, it makes up for the lack of blue B)

[dusk mulch]

Since the NPCs see mod authors as deities because we can warp their world to our whim, does that mean you are god to them?

[rigid musk]

(I also think it looks super pretty in general)

[ornate trellis]

imagine having asked for the decompile repo

[rigid musk]

Pathos is a god in the modding sphere in general tbh

[ivory plume]

(I'm just an NPC with sudo access.)

[rigid musk]

Humble too apparently /silly

[lucid iron]

i hope pathos doesnt rm -rf / us

[patent lance]

New quote added by irocendar as #6327 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1347346418792271944)

[ornate trellis]

infinite cake

moebius strip cake?

[tidal stone]

do we have a sleeping bag tile sprite

[tawny ore]

The 2 cakes rule is recursive

[calm nebula]

Aren't all mod authors non player characters because they don't play the game

[dusk mulch]

yes it is in the town interior

[tidal stone]

i feel like linus has one but idr

[gentle rose]

the prophecy says that one day pathos will --no-preserve-root all mods

[tidal stone]

ah ty

[tawny ore]

You know what's better than one cake? Two cakes. And what's better than 2 cakes is 3... and so on...

[dusk mulch]

!infinitecake

[ornate locust]

Recursive Cake Rule

Wait I know something for this hang on

[rancid musk]

n+1 cakes

[lucid iron]

pies

[calm nebula]

Cake

[ornate locust]

https://i.redd.it/tb21yrvor3441.jpg

[calm nebula]

Morning, everyone

[lucid iron]

i wonder what feature has the most cakes

[uncut viper]

portraits

[ornate trellis]

i just found out people actually made mobius strip cakes, huh

[lucid iron]

polyamory peaked at 3 at one point

or maybe only 2.5

[gentle rose]

mathematically speaking, if two cakes are better than one cake, then then replacing one of the cakes with two cakes makes that part better, and therefore the whole thing is better, and therefore three cakes are better than two

[lucid iron]

i guess "automatically plant thing" is also very common

hence selph's woes

[calm nebula]

There are like endless mods to play the game for you

[gentle rose]

I reckon it's one of the really simple features that people use as their first mod

[lucid iron]

this is true but then it is just all retex mod isnt it

[calm nebula]

Introducing my new mod, tedium increaser!

[gentle rose]

I've definitely seen there be like five+ mods for one feature before

[rigid musk]

I have no clue what any of you are talking about right now... but okay

[rigid musk]

I'd download it

Make everything tedious >:]

[calm nebula]

It increases the tedium of the game

[rigid musk]

in 1.5 I put together a modpack that made everything awful ... I enjoyed it

[lucid iron]

makes u have to click multiple times to hoe up a patch to plant things

[calm nebula]

No

[lucid iron]

must till the dirt

[gentle rose]

makes animations slower

[tawny ore]

I think harvest with scythe has been done 3 times before it was vanilla

[ornate trellis]

now i wonder what you consider awful

[calm nebula]

Chue. You must till in real life

[rigid musk]

click multiple times AND slower animations...

[gentle rose]

removes the area effect tool upgrade

[uncut viper]

specifically like, there are probably a million cakes for abigail portraits for example

[tawny ore]

And I'm pretty sure there have been a few cooking skills

[hot gale]

haptic feedback vr mod when

[lucid iron]

cooking is at 3 rn right

[tidal stone]

im crying the sleepingbag is not transparent it is in fact part of linus' tent 😭

[lucid iron]

maybe 4 even (the 3 i was thinking of is loc yacs and cooking overhaul)

[tawny ore]

A few tooltip mods, a few chest label mods

[gentle rose]

several horse thinning mods

[calm nebula]

Realistic farming mod

[gentle rose]

auto-gate openers are at like at least three

[calm nebula]

Beatles eat your crops

[lucid iron]

tax mods

[tawny ore]

So many cakes

[calm nebula]

Your cows break into your silo

Your chickens die of bird flu

[gentle rose]

why is ringo starr eating my crops?

[tawny ore]

Because it's been a hard day's night

[ornate trellis]

im glad i wasnt the only one thinking bout those kinda beatles

[gentle rose]

(that's technically the only kind, the other kind is spelled beetles )

[tidal stone]

i also with the footprints were just a png and not part of a floor item, then i could make different paths dirty :3

[ornate trellis]

shh dont tell everyone bout my englisch spelling weakness

[final arch]

are you okay atra

[tawny ore]

And I'm pretty sure there are a ton of mods that make fishing easier in different ways

[tidal stone]

hmm i wonder if i could do that but idk if i wanna do a tilesheet

[calm nebula]

Do I sound okay

[ornate locust]

I find things like that a little annoying? Maybe it'd be easier with footprints, but trying to do it with windows as an overlay was not working out when I tried it

[rigid musk]

I had:

Challenging Community Center Bundles (the hardest one at the time there were levels
Balanced Valley (I think the hardest version)
Love Of Cooking with the slow regen setting on
Survivalistic but I amped it up a bit so that things took a lot of food/water
Easier Monster Eradication but I set it to the highest setting because you can actually make it so that you have to kill more monsters
Spice of Life

[final arch]

well under these circumstances.. appropriately okay? 😄

[ornate locust]

too many shades and stuff in light that were definitely based on the surface itself

[tidal stone]

mmm true

[rigid musk]

I think I also had some dnd stat like thing where you have to select your stats and stuff

[tidal stone]

alternatively i could make alternative floors with footprints

[ornate trellis]

rly cant unthink ringo just being on your farm stuffing some wheat into his face, hm

[lucid iron]

did mr qi whisper in your ears and tell u to challange yourself

[calm nebula]

#programmers-off-topic message

[ornate locust]

I was gonna do alternate window lights on floors so I could do it from the side, but I super lost patience with it and didn't like my results

[rigid musk]

He always does 😌

[tidal stone]

i think its so funny morris is an item you can put in your house

[ornate trellis]

ohh, i thought awful as in silly mods like the ahem mayo mods

[calm nebula]

What circumstances???

[old edge]

so what does !SawEvent do? when modding events it's one of the preconditions? It used to be just k

[rigid musk]

oh no, I meant awful as in "oh wow planting 15 parsnips took me six days ..."

[ornate trellis]

which reminds me i am still tempted to make the every npc is a sock mod

[rigid musk]

We got every npc is a straw, now get ready for ...

[ornate trellis]

i drew abby back when we talked about that straw mod tbh

but thats about it lol

[lucid iron]

every npc is parsnip

but they get one (1) identifying accessory

[calm nebula]

Inversion of has seen event

[ornate locust]

tell ya what, I'll give the footprints thing a shot when I retry doing the window lights. Which is right now, I guess

[ornate trellis]

i literally jsut drew a purple sock, might actually do sockpuppet style if i am ever crazy enough to do it

[rigid musk]

My friend recently got me stuff to learn to crochet... it was so nice of her 🥹

[ornate trellis]

that pattern hits just right 👌

[tawny ore]

SDV needs a knitting skill mod

[ornate locust]

wait I think I got the window lighting cracked

Just needed to rest the ol brain, hell yeah

It's gonna have to be floor specific but this is working

[tidal stone]

If I put in 2 tile coords will it work in the warp command for both tiles in tiled

like if i wrote

14 9 KandiKraze.TheNeighborhood_TheNeighborhood 47 54
15 9 KandiKraze.TheNeighborhood_TheNeighborhood 47 54

would it apply to both tiles or just break the code

[dusk mulch]

As long as that is in map properties with no line breaks, it will work

[lucid iron]

yea it makes it so that 14 9 and 15 9 both goes to KandiKraze.TheNeighborhood_TheNeighborhood 47 54

use AddWarps

[tidal stone]

AddWarps as a second warp? or as the only warp rn its just
Warp 15 9 KandiKraze.TheNeighborhood_TheNeighborhood 47 54 15 9 KandiKraze.TheNeighborhood_TheNeighborhood 47 54

[dusk mulch]

You can either put that into a Warps map property in tiled or use an EditMap AddWarps to put them in.

I recommend addwarps as you can use tokens

[calm nebula]

No

[brave fable]

i mean 3 isn't a very big number

[dusk mulch]

ok ok i will stop with the memes

[brave fable]

like there's f(x) different sebastian dialogue mods out there. an intangible number

[rancid musk]

Out of all the NPCs in the game, I always forget about Sebastian existing.

[calm nebula]

Khloe Sebastian expansion mod when

[candid stratus]

If a tile in the tilesheet is completely transparent and you put it on the buildings layer, will you be able to walk through it or not?

[lucid iron]

you will not be able to walk through it

invisible wall upon thee

[candid stratus]

fair

but only tiles on the buildings layer will be walls right?

[lucid iron]

you can make Back layer not passable if you want

[[modding:maps]]

[empty radish]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps

[lucid iron]

see tile data passable

a mod i recommend is data layers

it's got a mod that let you see whether layer is accessible

[candid stratus]

okay thanks

[potent folio]

how hard would it be to make a mod turning grandpa into grandma

ping pls

[lucid iron]

draw grandma

replace all dialogue mentioning grandpa with grandma

thats about it, since grandpa not a real npc

[potent folio]

so not very hard?

[lucid iron]

its a fair amount of work but all doable via content patcher

[hard fern]

You might run into compatibility (dialogue) where other mods will mention your gramps but that's about it

[lucid iron]

for grandpa ig u have the intro to redraw

and then that ghost grandpa sprite

[potent folio]

well the mod is mainly for me, i’d publish it but i wouldn’t work too hard on compat since i play mostly vanilla

[tidal stone]

im showing a friend of mine how much of my mod ive made so far :3c

[ornate locust]

Now to footprints

[reef kiln]

in tiled is there a way to copy the titled data and the layer below it so I dont have to type out the info everytime? I just want to copy and past the exact same properties

[whole raptor]

I don't think a lot of NPC mods mention grandpa Probably it's mostly SVE and RSV

[devout otter]

To be honest, I'd just do a Replace on "Grandpa" on the script, see if there's any pronoun on the surrounding lines, patch those in and then let users detect the rest. >_>

[tidal stone]

woohoo found a buncha bug while showing my friend the maps ive done so far, time to fix 😎

[tawny ore]

Now Imma do it. You can't stop me 🙂

[tidal stone]

knitting mini game where you have to put the needle through the right hole as your hand goes back and forth when?

[calm nebula]

I've mentioned before that knitting and gaming both hit the pseudoproductivity pathway

[cyan venture]

Knitting means we will have lot of clothes?

That nice

[tawny ore]

More clothes would be neat, but how about rectangular blankets

Because that sounds easier

[tidal stone]

best desirable version of a knitting skill mod - mini game
you miss four or maybe five times and yuou fail to knit something but if you knit it perfectly its an iridium level item and you can give it to whoever but the more you miss the lower the grading goes until its considered a garbage item by citizens

this would be my dream version of that mod but alas ik it would be way difficult

and you gather xp that way like fishing
you need the materials to do it before hand omg that could be a game by itself

collector game where you must forage for better and better matts to make the ultimate knitting project XD

[cyan venture]

Ugh…

[uncut viper]

you should be able to knit any custom clothing you want by deciding the color of each individual pixel in the resulting clothing item

[tidal stone]

✨

[steady folio]

There would be exceptions. Idk who, but you know there's some bachelor/ettes that'd look at you funny if you handed them knit sweaters. Seb's probably top of the list.
And Evelyn would absolutely adore anything you made for her no matter how many stitches you dropped.

[dusk mulch]

i wonder if its possible to make SDV in SDV

[tiny zealot]

first, implement a general-purpose computer. then write a C# runtime for it

[calm nebula]

Why

[dusk mulch]

LOL i accidentally made the animation for my NPCs weight lifting too fast so he was just picking them up and slamming them on their toes over and over again

[tidal stone]

you know

if making the actual maps dont make ya kick the bucket then the fact you have to always go in every individual one and remove the pathing might because omg is it so annoying

[tawny ore]

general-purpose computer
best I can do is a Loom https://youtu.be/ERqi9EfswKQ?si=oVMEhElVOVNJUU5Z

[dusk mulch]

wdym? cant you just remove it when you are doing it the first time?

[tidal stone]

when i open the map up agai in tiled i have to redirect back to those files and then that resets the path so i have to go in and fix it again

[dusk mulch]

That shouldn't happen... Are you exporting it correctly?

[tidal stone]

im not exporting at all im just saving it

[dusk mulch]

You need to export it I think. (Someone correct me if I am wrong)

[uncut viper]

you dont need to remove the paths every time if they are always in your tmx folder alongside it to begin with

[tidal stone]

im worried ill forget to take them out when im done lmao

[uncut viper]

well, thats a different issue. you definitely do not need to fix the paths every time when making maps

[tidal stone]

i see i see

[dusk mulch]

How can I stop it from commenting out?

[uncut viper]

you can escape the quotes like this \" but you also dont need the quotes in the first place

[dusk mulch]

That is what the wiki says

[uncut viper]

you shouldnt need quotes if there are no spaces in the translation key

tbh im not sure thats required. but i cant say ive tested it, so w/e. escape the quotes then

[dusk mulch]

Alright

[calm nebula]

No the quotes are needed

You need to escape the quotes

The parser literally looks for quotes

Tis hilarious

[uncut viper]

i love when a game is consistent across the entire codebase

wish i could see it happen someday

[tiny zealot]

something something variable number of arguments to a schedule entry

[calm nebula]

That will never happen

It is impossible for codebase to be consistent

[uncut viper]

a variable number of arguments sure but the schedule key in question there is all one piece

[tiny zealot]

thinking about whatever kind of item it is where some fields are at different indexes depending on language because the translation key offsets it by 1

or was that fixed in 1.6, i forget

[calm nebula]

Anyways

Tired. Exhausted. How are you guys

[uncut viper]

full of caramel hot chocolate

[calm nebula]

I worked pull-ups on Monday and my back still hurts lol

Caramel hot chocolate sounds good

[tiny zealot]

taking a breather from stardew and working on a totally unrelated pet project, but hanging out on here anyway

[calm nebula]

Enjoyyyyyyy

[tidal stone]

i have like a bnajillion saves and all of them are me just testing mods

[dusk mulch]

I want 2 trigger actions to occur 1 after the other when you break a certain stone on a map, but I only want it to happen 1 time. Is there any way I can do that with a framework or vanilla modding?

[rancid musk]

@uncut viper Ahoy! Searchable Collections Page is not currently compatible with Better Game Menu, and it doesn't appear to have its source code available. Digging into the DLL, I can only find one reference to GameMenu and that's a Harmony patch, so it probably won't be difficult to add BGM support. Wanted to make sure you're aware.

[uncut viper]

tbh i didnt remember that even patched GameMenu. it might not even need to. ill look into it a bit later

[rancid musk]

I admit I'm not sure why you're targeting GameMenu and not CollectionsPage for that specific patch.

[uncut viper]

your guess is honestly as good as mine

[rancid musk]

If it was a postfix I might think it had to do with if a click caused the current tab to change, but... it's a prefix

[uncut viper]

that mod started as a "can this be done/can i do this?" experiment before i actually decided it was going to be a mod proper, so theres a non zero chance i just patched whatever at first to see if it worked, and never made it better later

[dusk mulch]

I have put a post on the Maps Discussion page noting that the Sand Dragon tile property is listed but the other parts of the Mr Qi quest are not.

If enough people want to remove/add the rest then that post is there for reference.

[tidal stone]

I forget is an i18n used in place of a content json or in addition to

[dusk mulch]

An i18n is a JSON where you can put strings so that people can translate your mod into other languages, after you put the strings into the i18n then you use the key as a token

So

{
"Key": "String"
}

{
  "Action": "EditMap",
  "Target": "Maps/Town",                            "MapTiles": [
               {
"Position": { "X": 72, "Y": 15 },
                    "Layer": "Back",                                             "SetProperties": {
                    "Action": "MineSign {{i18n:Key}}"
}
}
]
}

[tidal stone]

so its in addition to. If i understand correctly?

[dusk mulch]

Yeah. I think I wayyy over-explained it.

[lucid iron]

say is there any framework with trigger on machine complete

[brittle pasture]

looks like a BETAS add request

[uncut viper]

i avoided it because of the potential for 500 machines finishing at once with automate resulting in 500 simultaneous triggers

[lucid iron]

yea hm cant debounce triggers

ok it's officially EMC request now

open a custom field that takes actions plox

i need this machine to spit out a baby

[brittle pasture]

sounds concerning, I'm in

[lucid iron]

well its not just this anyways

all i am doing is add a trigger action that forces baby event

instead of going through the nightly questions

but it would be fun to just have alt ways to get a baby

[uncut viper]

i believe they call that adoption

[lucid iron]

found baby in keg

the only kind of adoption in vanilla is legal and boring

[hard fern]

If only bamboo existed in stardew

Well, we always have peaches

[lucid iron]

it doesnt but

u need hueg bamboo anyways

and hueg peach

[dusk mulch]

Bump

[uncut viper]

there is no trigger in any framework that i know of for breaking a specific stone on a map

[lucid iron]

i think the closest u can get is item extensions special clump?

or dynamic map tiles (does that work atm?)

[dusk mulch]

I mean I could just do it on that 1 tile where the stone is

[uncut viper]

you cant because there is no trigger in any framework that will do that for you upon the stone breaking

[dusk mulch]

I will see if I can figure out something else to do with the area then

[versed wyvern]

Was there a framework that enabled wall furniture to trigger effects when interacted with or did I pull that out of my brain fog?

[hot gale]

Is there documentation somewhere for the config sections of CP? Like how exactly tro structure a dropdown, float, etc

[brittle pasture]

SpaceCore allows tile actions on furniture interactions

[brittle pasture]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/stable/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/config.md

[uncut viper]

note that with CP you dont get to choose specific things like dropdowns or types

[hot gale]

Thanks!

[versed wyvern]

That was probably where I saw it, thanks

[hot gale]

Ah so I cant have the player put a specific value without C#

[vernal crest]

You can have them choose from a dropdown of allowed values

[lucid iron]

hm how come Data/Characters is incomplete at title screen

[vernal crest]

But not validate values typed into a free entry box, I don't think?

[lucid iron]

im trying to do TextOperations on a modded npc (Sen from LitD) and this warns at title screen

works fine once i actually load into save tho

[uncut viper]

wdym incomplete/warns

[lucid iron]

// Append this senlet to SenS
{
  "Action": "EditData",
  "Target": "Data/Characters",
  "TargetField": [
    "SenS",
    "CustomFields"
  ],
  "TextOperations": [
    {
      "Operation": "Append",
      "Target": [
        "Entries",
        "mushymato.HaveMoreKids/KidIds"
      ],
      "Value": "{{ModId}}_{{L@Kid}}",
      "Delimiter": ","
    }
  ],
},

my mod has dep on 7thAxis.LitD.CP im psure

[royal stump]

that mod's data is conditionally loaded based on this, so maybe that slows it down somehow?

{
    "Name": "IsDitRInstalled", 
    "Value": "{{HasMod: |contains=7thAxis.DitR.CP, 7thAxis.DitR}}"
},```

[lucid iron]

oh dt would make a lot of sense

[brave fable]

SenS from LitD for DitR

understandable

[royal stump]

or rather, the one I found only loads when that isn't true, so I'm not sure about the full conditions

but yeah, its edits might not exist at startup

[lucid iron]

dynamic tokens r sinful

[dusk mulch]

I am trying to find a sprite that screams "Step on me and something cool might happen", I have tried the teleporters from railroad, wizards basement and witches hut but none of those work for the area

It is outside in a grassy area

[hard fern]

Ypu could always make your own?

[dusk mulch]

I do not have the skill to do tilesheets

Wait.

[hard fern]

You could make a fairy circle(?)

With the pre existing tiles

[dusk mulch]

I found something I can use

The decorative hatch (there is one in the wizards tower so it is on a tilesheet)

[urban patrol]

so i've made an animation with double-wide sprites before using spacecore, but now i want to use that animation during an event. my problem is that event scripts don't take animation names, they just take frames and durations. is there a way to have it recognize that i want to point to the index of the double wide frames?

or if there's a spacecore function that lets me modify event animations, that would work too. i couldn't find anything like that looking through the documentation

[unique sigil]

chu now im curious of your opinion on me using dynamic tokens in a local token'd include

[lucid iron]

i feel confused by dynamic tokens mainly cus i dont understand their update rate

[uncut viper]

they update when content patcher tells them to. hope this helps

[calm nebula]

About time to think about April fools mods

[uncut viper]

ive thought about it a lot already and have some good ideas and decided that i do not have the time to do them

[devout otter]

My pet peeve. I resorted to using "When": {"Season": "{{Season}}"} to avoid the error message. >_>

[hard fern]

I had this random idea to turn every npc into animals, but like. For real animals. Shane is just a blue chicken. Sebastian ia a feog

For a joke mod

[tidal stone]

Would it be difficult to start an i18n in the middle of a project and edit the content json accordingly

[uncut viper]

less difficult than it would be to do it later

[drowsy pewter]

better do it now than later

[uncut viper]

theres a converter though

dont know what command its in. someone else probably knows where to find it

[drowsy pewter]

!i18n

[ocean sail]

Creating Translation Capability

So you'd like to stop writing all of \"your strings straight in your content.json?\" and/or you'd like the capability to see all of your strings across all of your .jsons?
Introducing i18n!

• How to make your mod compatible with other languages: stardewmodding.wiki.gg

• The file where you can put all of your strings is called default.json, and it sits in a folder at the same level of your assets, named "i18n".

• If you're converting from an older version of the game, there's a converter for ease-of-access.

Not to be confused with {{DynamicTokens}} since these require the specific {{i18n:<KEY>}} modifier

To use this command, type !i18n.

[drowsy pewter]

I'n so smart

[uncut viper]

6480 is so smart

[tidal stone]

Ooh ty ty

Ye i want my project to be easily translateable for ppl in case anyone ever wanted to

If in the future after i publish my mod if i ever want to update like say add dialogue would that force a need to restart on s new save btw

[hard fern]

Not necessarily

[unique sigil]

for a time i considered making an anti-Kisaa farm map where it contains everything i hate/would never do when it comes to farm maps, we'll see if that idea holds up

[hard fern]

If the dialogue is missable, then a new save would be needed to go back and see it, but it won't require a new save to work

(i think this is what you were asking? Im not sure)

[hard fern]

^ hopefully this answers your question

[tidal stone]

Ooh ok

Yes that does ty

[vernal crest]

There are very few mods where a player would need to use a new save. I don't actually know of any off the top of my head.

[uncut viper]

bundle mods

CC bundles

[tidal stone]

Ohhh ok i was worried that if i ever wanted to add more lines of dialogue in the future it might break everything

[vernal crest]

As someone who is always adding new mods into existing saves, I just use tools to get around the inconveniences they cause.

[uncut viper]

you can reset them ig with a console command but i feel like using console commands to bypass that is kinda cheating

(cheating in the sense of "i wouldnt say that means it DOESNT require a new save")

[vernal crest]

Oh yeah, CC bundles. I've never use a CC bundle mod before so I forgot about them.

[urban patrol]

bumping this just in case

[vernal crest]

Could you just use a temporaryAnimatedSprite instead?

[urban patrol]

it says that that takes data from TileSheets/animations--would i run into problems trying to modify that with spacecore? my understanding was that spacecore pulled from Data/animationDescriptions

[vernal crest]

You wouldn't need spacecore at all to use the TAS and it does not use data from tilesheets/animations. It uses the data you provide in the event.

[urban patrol]

oh that's my bad i was looking at temporarySprite

for rectangle, it says it takes x y width height. width and height would be 32 by 32 i believe, but what are x and y?

[vernal crest]

Where on the sheet to start the rectangle from.

[urban patrol]

got it. in pixels or according to index?

also, how does it know what sheet i'm referring to? texture?

[vernal crest]

Yes, texture is the field you put your image asset name into. And it's in pixels because it doesn't use index because it doesn't have a preset frame size.

Here's an example of one of mine: temporaryAnimatedSprite Characters\\Aba.Hiria_Weekend 0 192 16 32 1500 1 9999 2 3 false false 9 0.0 1 0 0 0/

[urban patrol]

ooh that's super helpful thank you

[vernal crest]

This is one where I used a TAS when I should've just used animate lol

[urban patrol]

i've encountered a lot of situations like that while learning how to do events 😂

[vernal crest]

In fact, I don't even animate her so I could maybe just do showFrame.

[hot gale]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/32165

I did a thing :P

[vernal crest]

Maybe I used TAS because that's the only one I'd used before, maybe I used TAS because it's to have her sitting at a Buildings tile and I didn't know how collision works in events

[vernal crest]

Oooh nice! How does the menu look with the larger number of slots? Does it scroll?

[brave fable]

how does my cooking menu look with the larger number of slots

[hot gale]

Yeah :D

[lucid iron]

i think the framework patches the InventoryMenu

so all the menu with inventory ui should work fine

it's bundle menu that explodes

[tidal stone]

OK TIME TO START CONVERTING STUFF OVER TO I18N

oops caps sorry

[dusk mulch]

Godspeed. (You should always use i18n from the start of your mod or else it gets more and more difficult as time goes on)

[tidal stone]

thankfully im not that far in

[hot gale]

This helped me a ton, idk how helpful it will be for you

https://nom0ri.github.io/sdv-i18nifier-app/

[tidal stone]

only issue is idk how i18n's work at all

oh ok thank you

it doesnt have a section for locations or anything ive done yet it all has to do with maps, or do maps not be needed on an i18n?

[hot gale]

I dont think maps need it? Unless you put signs and stuff?

[dusk mulch]

I hate the i18nifier. I like doing it by hand, idk maybe its just me

[tidal stone]

aah ok ok

[hot gale]

Is there no way to add custom chests with CP?

Just reskin them?

[dusk mulch]

I don't believe so

[hot gale]

Shame

[vernal crest]

This page might help with understanding them more https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/translations.md

[rancid musk]

@ivory plume Hey there! Is this considered an SMAPI bug?

The docstring for IModRegistry.GetApi<TInterface>(string uniqueID) says specifically "If the mod has no API or it's not compatible with the given interface, get null.".

The implementation in ModRegistryHelper.cs however doesn't have a try/catch around the call to CreateProxy() which can lead to calling GetApi() throwing an exception when the provided interface isn't compatible, rather than returning null.

It seems like it should probably catch the exception, log it, and return null to me. Based on the docstring. I noticed that most mods I look at (including yours) are written under the assumption that GetApi() won't throw.

--

Also, while I have your attention, if I want to do a PR against your mods to add support for my new mod Better Game Menu would you prefer a PR per mod or all at once? (Specifically, Lookup Anything, Chests Anywhere, and Debug Mode are affected in your repo.)

[tidal stone]

ty ty

[hot gale]

My mods broke 1000 downloads :D

[tidal stone]

NICE!

[hot gale]

ty, ty :D

[tidal stone]

ok so if i understand i18n is primarily used for the text based things like dialogue and events so i dont need to make one just yet i dont think

[hot gale]

right

any text not coming from the native game pretty much

[tidal stone]

ok phew,

i was worried i had a lot of convertin to do

does i18n also change messages done in tiled using the message custom property or would that be a no

[vernal crest]

It's for any text that the player will see while playing.

[tidal stone]

ok cool beans 😄

[lucid iron]

theres fun things u can do with i18n

randomized text mainly

[brave fable]

i'd argue there's only one thing you can do with i18n and that's translate text

the rest is all content patcher

[hot gale]

now that is neat

Would that work on descriptions of items?

So each one could have potentially different descriptions

[lucid iron]

it'd have a different desc per day if thats what you want

although for items it might be cached too hard unclear

the main thing ppl use it for is extending the dialogue asset

[lucid iron]

theres fun things u can do with [the] i18n [token from content patcher, combined with various other tokens]

[uncut viper]

im accomplishing things

[rigid musk]

oh... oh my god

[uncut viper]

dont worry about it

[hot gale]

l m f a o

[brave fable]

did you just patch Draw itself

impressive

[uncut viper]

of course not

i patched SpriteBatcher.DrawBatch

[rancid musk]

I haven't seen something so cursed since I was playing with shaders, or perhaps even then

[uncut viper]

whats scary is that this is approximately what i was intending to do

[drowsy pewter]

Hm

[brave fable]

so... how well does it play

[uncut viper]

it plays?

the controls are reversed to as a result

[lucid iron]

what happens to the clickable bounds

[uncut viper]

for both mouse and keyboard

theyre fucked

[lucid iron]

1oo

[uncut viper]

this is me hovering over the Bee House

[lucid iron]

how come the tiny digits r safe

[rancid musk]

What exactly is your goal here?

[brave fable]

eeb

[rigid musk]

I think the only other thing on par with this was when someone here posted images of Nicolas Cage's floating head on the void with like trees and stuff floating around

[uncut viper]

i have the vague idea of a goal

[rancid musk]

What exactly is your vague idea here? 😛

[uncut viper]

i was kinda hoping to just mirror things

[rancid musk]

The whole screen?

[uncut viper]

yes. though, vertically wasnt the intention

[lucid comet]

tiny digits are from cursors, and nothing of that is upside down

[uncut viper]

however, if i only mirror it horizontally, the entire screen goes black instead. so...

[rancid musk]

Seems like you'd be better off forcing the game to use its render texture then messing with the bit where it draws the render texture to the screen.

[uncut viper]

thats less fun, though, in case i wanna do other weird things later

[lucid iron]

can u make everything spin

i think that'd really enhance my gameplay

[uncut viper]

just thinking about that makes me nauseous

[drowsy pewter]

sounds like someone doesnt like fun

[uncut viper]

i dont know the maths for it

[rancid musk]

"other weird things" made me remember my Gameboy Valley shader test

[uncut viper]

i like that a lot more than what i did

[lucid iron]

rotate is just a float (radian)

increment that a little every frame

[uncut viper]

chu what makes you think i have access to something like that here

[rancid musk]

lol I forgot about this completely, CGA Valley

[uncut viper]

right now im literally taking the corner VertexPositionColorTexture things from SpriteBatchItem things and shifting them around

[drowsy pewter]

Beautiful

[rancid musk]

Honestly it looks surprisingly good

[uncut viper]

i do actually like the look of that a lot

[lucid iron]

r u patching a different overload than this
https://docs.monogame.net/api/Microsoft.Xna.Framework.Graphics.SpriteBatch.html#Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Graphics_SpriteBatch_Draw_Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Graphics_Texture2D_Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Rectangle_System_Nullable_Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Rectangle__Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Color_System_Single_Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Vector2_Microsoft_Xna_Framework_Graphics_SpriteEffects_System_Single_

[rancid musk]

And dithering makes it overpowered. Maybe I should release a paletize mod just as a separate thing.

[uncut viper]

you misunderstand i said im not patching SpriteBatch.Draw

i am patching SpriteBatcher.DrawBatch

[lucid iron]

where even is this method

[uncut viper]

its private

or internal

[rancid musk]

Monogame internals: exist
Button: you're in danger

[uncut viper]

or smth

there are no doors when i have Publicizer PublicizeAll

[rancid musk]

You don't need a publicizer to patch private stuff

You just need to be angry enough

[uncut viper]

no, but i am calling i think what were private properties on things from other things

inside my patch

its a lot easier to do that with a publicizer instead of the reflection helper every single line

[rancid musk]

Technically you don't need a publicizer for that, but it is a lot easier to do it fast with one.

[lucid iron]

ok i found the maff

[uncut viper]

right now these experiments are the epitome of "i want to break shit and i wanna do it fast"

[lucid iron]

https://github.com/MonoGame/MonoGame/blob/a65d634609e7a98bf8c3192ee47ca5e5f1271158/MonoGame.Framework/Graphics/SpriteBatch.cs#L258-L269

just gotta prefix SpriteBatchItem.Set ez

[uncut viper]

that was actually gonna be my third try if DrawBatch didnt pan out

my first try was postfixing CreateBatchItem

but it gets Set after that

[lucid iron]

yea u did crimes too early

[uncut viper]

also theres two overloads for Set

so it was an extra annoyance

or well one overload ig

the one without Rotation is also used a lot too so

thats also why i went to DrawBatch bc i knew it'd encompass Everything

[lucid iron]

i guess u can just call Set again there right

[uncut viper]

hm

i like where your head's at

[lucid iron]

still i dont

[uncut viper]

i just need to stop crashing my game first. whatever i did now made it not crash outright but 0.001 fps isnt stellar either

[lucid iron]

think this actually do anything reasonable

[uncut viper]

who said anything about reasonable

[lucid comet]

if you want to mirror/flip everything horizontal you might also have to look into flipping the individual sprites i think ... though that would probably remove a lot of the cursed-ness so not sure that's the plan here

[uncut viper]

yeah thats what slowed my game to a crawl

[lucid comet]

understandable, that's a lot of flips

[uncut viper]

i think the problem was maybe the texture was cached and i only need to flip it once per texture bc it kept alternating back n forth

[hot gale]

Why are you flipping it

[uncut viper]

i want to flip it

[lucid comet]

very good reasons

[lucid iron]

looking forward to ʎǝʅʅɐꓥ ʍǝpɹɐʇS

[uncut viper]

good start

things are terrible

but the saloon is almost right

[dusk mulch]

im getting dizzy just looking at this

[dusk mulch]

OH LORD THIS IS 1000X TIME WORSE

[lucid comet]

and a lot of the sprites are flipped like they are supposed to be

though wierdly not all

[woeful lintel]

how did you... why...

[uncut viper]

the problem is that im flipping the entire textures but obv that wont change the source rect

[woeful lintel]

what's the context for this?

[lucid comet]

ah

[uncut viper]

im just experimenting

wanted to see if i could flip the screen. decided to see what else i can do

[woeful lintel]

neat

[wooden forge]

I dont know if this is the right channel but I didnt find any other ^^ if I am wrong here please let me know!

so i wanna make a mod myself and as far as I read C# is required so I gotta learn that (and pray its similar to python which I know the basics of)

what else is necessary to learn before trying some of my ideas?

also is translating mods a good idea to get started as well? I can speak german and english and thought its a nice way to practice language and get used to code again

[hot gale]

Depends what you want to do

vast majority of things can be done using content patcher

Which is just JSON

as far as translating, you can code with native translation support and leave it up to others to translate for you

[wooden forge]

with that I meant offering to translate already existing mods or just doing it myself to practice haha

also my idea (one of many) is something like being a therapist at harveys clinic where the npcs have cutscenes and you as the farmer can choose what to say and it affects the friendship or smth

the stardew valley wiki says this to content patcher "NPCs, including dialogue, sprites, schedule and events" so theoretically my idea should be possible to realize with that right?

[hot gale]

Yeah I believe that can be done with just content patcher. As far as translations, you can I'm not gonna say it's a bad idea but a lot of mods nowadays are coded with translation in mind to where what needs translated is just an array of strings

Im not sure it will help a lot with learning how to code, although it is super helpful for others

or rather brushing the dust off

[wooden forge]

yeah helping others and making it more accesible for people who arent fluent in english was also my main thought tbh

anyway thank you I will dive into content patcher rather than smapi for now and see what I can do

[dusk mulch]

YAYYYY I GOT 1 SECRET DONE IN MY MOD

time to do the shops i think

[tidal stone]

where doth one get an update key anyway

[dusk mulch]

when you upload a mod it is the ID of the mod on nexus

[tidal stone]

Ooohhh

gotcha ty

ok so

i used one of those flat fake doors

and i put a action warp on it but its not working 😦

i dont get any errors so im wonderign if its just the case of it no work

actually

let me chck something i might be a fool

nvm it was on the right layer so i still dunno why this wont work hmm

OOp

found the error nevermind

somehow i deleted the phrase "warp" from my tiledata

[wooden forge]

one last question if thats okay

how does one get in contact with modders so they can offer to translate for them?

[dusk mulch]

You would normally comment on their mod

Or DM them on nexus

[hot gale]

Is there a limit to how big furniture can be

[crude plank]

As big as your dreams (this is not actual information, i don't actually know)

[deep cypress]

Accidentally deleted a solution file. In the words of Bandit, "Well THAT was a fun three hours!"

[patent lance]

New quote added by irocendar as #6328 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424/1347466595772928043)

[gentle rose]

I think this is ready to release

[uncut viper]

its already compatible with SVE so might as well

[gentle rose]

just gonna... forward that to my mod ideas thread...

[hard fern]

Spindew valley

[brave fable]

there's nothing stopping you from transpiling spritebatch draw and adding some %360 rotation to the end. not a damn thing

[gray bear]

my god

[final arch]

what mod shows draw/update times?

[blissful panther]

I think that's a debug thing built into Khloe's UI stuff?

[crude plank]

Can't wait for Better Game Menu, trying it has made having to go back to vanilla menu even worse

And it's so nice that Khloe is reaching out to authors about compat even before release

[formal crown]

Hi all, does anyone know what's the more mod compatible way of adding context tags to vanilla objects?

[uncut viper]

you can add entries to the ContextTags list like you'd add entries to somethin else

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#edit-object-context-tags

[formal crown]

Huh

I didnt know it was so easy

[crude plank]

(I might be at fault for finding out the way you added tags wasn't compatible with other mods, sorry about that )

[formal crown]

Fault? What fault?

[hot gale]

Anyone know where I can find the sapling sprites?

I might have overlooked them

I looked in springoutdoors, springobjects

[vernal crest]

Wild trees are in TerrainFeatures

[hot gale]

Ty!

[vernal crest]

Fruit trees are TileSheets

[uncut viper]

mirrored pelican town isnt real it cant hurt you
mirrored pelican town:

[hot gale]

wow lol

[blissful panther]

...now make a mirror world mod.

[uncut viper]

thats actually what i was trying to do

as one can see though all the terrain features are not mirrored. and the warps are not where you'd expect them to be

and theres a lot of map modifcations that just hardcode coordinates...

[blissful panther]

I've been desiring a Past Pelican Town mod for ages, and this might scratch that itch if it works out!

Just some kind of uncanny alternate version.

[uncut viper]

door warps still work actually. ...somehow

(... from the outside, anyway)

i completely forgot schedules are all fucked up too

why does Pierre have a hardcoded window by his counter

[unique sigil]

i guess it depends on the furniture category? decor and other essentially dont really have a limit, but i feel like if you dont follow the standard bounding box/sprite sizes for say, chair, armchair, and sofa, things would be a bit screwy

(you can use custom bounding boxes with Furniture Framework, and Calcifer has custom offset features for slotted items, e.g. table furniture)

[uncut viper]

(theres so many things that are broken from this little experiment so i dont think this mirror world mod will scratch any itch as it will definitely not work out. maybe if i can ever figure out how to mirror the screen itself, since this is actually just placing tiles backwards and mirroring each individual one)

[hot gale]

Thanks!

[crude plank]

oh god this mirror world is really upsetting my brain

[crude plank]

if you manage to mirror the screen you'd have to also mirror the left and right controls lol

[uncut viper]

that would be the easiest part of the entire thing

[crude plank]

or just don't do it and make it more cursed

[gray bear]

button what crimes are you comitting

[crude plank]

all of them it seems

[uncut viper]

apparently, rock crimes. sorry robin

[crude plank]

joja did a really bad job at removing the rocks to open up the train station

[gray bear]

someone give her some bombs

[crude plank]

where's kent to mail some bombs when you need him

[gentle rose]

I’m more concerned about the tree growing through her wall

also button I hate this with a passion, keep up the good work

I just realised that’s the quarry

button, try marrying someone and see what happens to the spouse room

[crude plank]

Wait so where do you end up from the backwoods

[uncut viper]

correction it WAS the quarry

[gentle rose]

in a sense, it still is, robin’s house is just a quarry now

[gentle rose]

the right, I’m guessing

[crude plank]

They're a mining family now

[gentle rose]

everything is mirrored

[crude plank]

Yeah but how do the warps still work

[gentle rose]

oh, interesting question

button did thoust flip the warps

[uncut viper]

thats what i was trying to fix right now

i did say they were placed wrong!

if i go left of Joja mart with noclip i can reach the bus stop

[gentle rose]

aren’t a ton of windows hardcoded? there was a hardcoded window on robin’s house exterior iirc

[uncut viper]

probably!

[gray bear]

this is so cursed

what is the purpose of this

[gentle rose]

I think that one may have been dehardcoded though because I remember complaints, idk though

[crude plank]

Chaos

[uncut viper]

purpose?

[gray bear]

[formal crown]

Why are there hardcoded windows

[crude plank]

Button tell me, is this how Sauron felt when he created the one ring?

[gentle rose]

pretty sure it’s so that they could have lighting at specific times

or at least that was the original reason and they were never dehardcoded once there were better ways

[gray bear]

why is anything hardcoded

[crude plank]

Because sometimes you can't be arsed and then you forget about it forever

[gentle rose]

at this point it may be easier to reverse the entire x axis of the game rather than doing things one by one

[crude plank]

I was actually wondering if that was possible

[gentle rose]

it would require some serious crime and you would still have to manually flip all the textures, but I have to assume it is? harmony patching monogame is probably a bit too cursed though

[blissful panther]

I patched MonoGame to (accidentally) get this monstrosity. Just heed the warning above the video!

#making-mods-general message

[gentle rose]

(the easiest option, that Khloe already mentioned, is probably forcing it to draw to a buffer and flipping that)

[uncut viper]

yeah i have no idea how to do that

[gentle rose]

…are the animals inside the house related or the result of a different mod

[blissful panther]

Oh, they just live there because of the MEEP test pack!

[formal crown]

For some reason, some VPP talent causes sleeping to error out throwing errors about... ItemDeliveryQuests

What I know so far is it's not any of fishing, combat or misc talents

[gentle rose]

are you sure it’s vpp?

[formal crown]

Yeah, the user reproduced it only with VPP and reqs

[gray bear]

when the universe starts glitching

[gentle rose]

huh. were you able to reproduce with the same talents?

[formal crown]

The weird thing is VPP doesn't ever meddle with quests so who knows what's going on there

[gray bear]

yeah was gonna ask. VPP doesn't do anything with quests?

weird

[formal crown]

They linked their save file, I'm testing on that rn

[gentle rose]

and could you send their log for the minimal reproduction?

[formal crown]

https://smapi.io/log/155017bdc3ea4022b229d2219dd6948c

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 6 C# mods and 1 content packs.

[gentle rose]

that’s not the only method throwing errors, either

[formal crown]

For it to not "crash", I disabled all talents and enabling them by tree and attempting to sleep

[gentle rose]

there’s also GameLocation.IsOutOfBounds errors

[formal crown]

Well I think they're because of they removed mods midsave to test

Because original log doesn't have them

[gentle rose]

they’re pretty much all null references or undefined objects though, so I’m guessing you accidentally skipped something that sets some variable maybe?

[willow shale]

i just accidentally clicked on this channel instead of modded farmers but that is eerily familiar to a bug i had a while ago

https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/1335904511876927530

[blissful panther]

Ah damn, the logs are gone.

[hard fern]

😔 bye bye logs

[willow shale]

it was so long ago the log has expired, but the error was related to an item delivery quest

we never found the source

[gentle rose]

interesting.

time to dig through loadQuestInfo ig

why is it never a small, simple method

[willow shale]

i still have the second version of the diagnostic mod button made for me that accidentally fixed it to ward away the spirits crash

[gentle rose]

could you try doing 50/50 on the talents?

[formal crown]

Yeah, logs are gone 😅

[formal crown]

That's what I'm trying atm

[willow shale]

still, exact same circumstances that caused the crash

something to do with item delivery quests and possibly checking the mail, so if you find a solution do let me know

[gentle rose]

I wonder if we can check the save to see what the current item delivery quest is

[willow shale]

hold up, i still have that save

[gentle rose]

it has to be serialised

[formal crown]

If you want, you can have this too Iro

[willow shale]

i kept it in quarantine just in case hold on let me see if i can replicate the crash

[gentle rose]

…this method has IL gotos in the decompile. why

[formal crown]

Drunk decompiler?

[gentle rose]

or CA weirdness, or (shudder) ca actually built it using gotos

[storm minnow]

so, very beginner question - the wiki guide says the unique id of my mod(s) should include my name - does this need to be exactly the same as what i put further up in the manifest, or can i use my full online name for the author field, and then use part of that for the beginning of the unique id?

[blissful panther]

It's arbitrary, really. The suggestion to include your name is just to help make it unique to you.

[hard fern]

Im.so tired i read IL gatos and was about to ask why there were cats in the code

[timid hazel]

the game always get stuck on the save screen can someone help please?

https://smapi.io/log/f3a40e7436334168bc5e59aa9d53f393

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI v4.1.10.3 - 1735840167 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24354 on Android Unix 34.0.0.0, with 14 C# mods and 5 content packs.

[hard fern]

Uh, wrong channel?

[storm minnow]

ah, can just use Cielo for the unique id then, good^^

[hard fern]

Oh dear and it's android too

[gentle rose]

!mh

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[vernal crest]

It's android, iro. If they open a post there we're just going to send them to the android server anyway.

[gentle rose]

true, didn’t see that until after I sent it

[vernal crest]

I can't ever remember the command for that. Is it androidsmapi?

[hard fern]

Ye

[crude plank]

!androidsmapi

[ocean sail]

Android SMAPI

There is an unofficial port of SMAPI for Stardew 1.6 to Android. Please see the wiki instructions for more information.

IMPORTANT: This is a highly experimental build and may be prone to glitches, bugs, or incompatibilities. We are not able to provide support if you run into trouble or compatibility issues; please use the discord linked on the Android SMAPI github.

Do not harass mod authors to make Android specific compatibility patches.

To use this command, type !androidsmapi.

[hard fern]

!androidsmapi

[ocean sail]

Android SMAPI

There is an unofficial port of SMAPI for Stardew 1.6 to Android. Please see the wiki instructions for more information.

IMPORTANT: This is a highly experimental build and may be prone to glitches, bugs, or incompatibilities. We are not able to provide support if you run into trouble or compatibility issues; please use the discord linked on the Android SMAPI github.

Do not harass mod authors to make Android specific compatibility patches.

To use this command, type !androidsmapi.

[storm minnow]

oh, and can i use underscores just like i do in most other places?

[willow shale]

https://smapi.io/log/c25ddd3790c94bcea87e50e0da68594a

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.10 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home, with 146 C# mods and 375 content packs.

[willow shale]

its the same error

i loaded the old save, removed the lifesaving debug, caused the crash again, compared the error to the log you posted, and its the same error

[vernal crest]

In your unique ID? Since it's not recommended convention, there might be stuff that breaks if you do.

[storm minnow]

no, just in my author name

[willow shale]

hopefully this will provide some useful data. in the meantime, you can link the person having this bug specifically to the second version of the debug mod button made for me and it should temporarily fix the issue
#1335904511876927530 message

[vernal crest]

If it's just in the author field but not uniqueID, I think it'd be okay.

It is recommended for it to match the username you'd publish under (like Nexus username etc).

[formal crown]

What does the debug mod do?

[hallow igloo]

Error:
TextOperations > 1 is invalid: the Search value must be set for a RemoveDelimited text operation.
relevant code:

{
    "Operation": "RemoveDelimited",
    "Target": ["MapProperties", "NightTiles"],
    "Value": "Front 26 16 507",
    "Delimiter": " "
}```

how is this not a valid value? ;-;

[willow shale]

no clue. button made it as a diagnostic tool so we could see what quest was being pulled before the error kicked in, but the second version specifically stopped the error entirely. even she didnt know why

[uncut viper]

well you havent a Search value at all there

[willow shale]

oh button! we were just talking about you!

[hallow igloo]

that's the "value" tho

[uncut viper]

(and yeah. the Debug Mod just logs stuff to console but it somehow stopped the error. not a single clue)

[uncut viper]

no, it isnt. you need a field called Search. check the text operation docs again

[willow shale]

we may have found a cause. apparently someone else had the error and traced it to vpp

[uncut viper]

and yeah ive been here lurking and watching the quest stuff, i just also dont have any more input on it bc i dont have any more info than i did before

[willow shale]

only the second version stopped the error tho. the first and third didnt. i keep it as a totem

[hallow igloo]

what the? is that new?
it's worked for me this and also is still working with the operation right after this one wtf xD

oh lmao no nvm I've used Searcheverywhere else and the one after this one doesn't give an error because it doesn't get loaded because of this one

okay thanks!

[crude plank]

it's the chosen version

[willow shale]

honestly im just glad i happened to accidentally click on this channel right when the error that has haunted me for weeks is being discussed

[crude plank]

it was divine intervention

[storm minnow]

ok, managed to replace the sprite of the dust sprites - if i want to also make them less hyper, can i still do that with just CP, or do i already need something more for that?

[hallow igloo]

this server has surprisingly gotten nicer since a year ago, very welcome surprise

(not that it was bad, just happy to see it got nicer ^^)

does anyone know if there's a way to use editmap/editdata to add unlockrequirements or check for them?

[uncut viper]

i have now fixed the warps

[vernal crest]

What are you trying to add unlock requirements to?

[crude plank]

sanity check: for machine rules if i have multiple RequiredTags the input item has to have all of them right?

[storm minnow]

ok, guess i can, now to figure out what field i need to edit ...

[drowsy pewter]

yes

well

Depends what you mean by multiple. In this example there are multiple requiredtags entries, but each entry is for a specific instance. In the third entry, it requires an item with BOTH the category_greens tag and WITHOUT the edible_mushroom tag

If you have multiple tags listed under the same requiredtags entry, then yes all are required

[hallow igloo]

RSV's minecart replacements

[winter dust]

@ivory plume Did they change the function for dismounting at all in the SDV code? Scarlett is getting strange behaviour with WTDR's DLL mod, I guess with the Tractor mod they can do down mine ladders and such, but when they have my mod installed their tractor vanishes when they try to go down ladders and such. Any idea on what's going on? DLL Project files: https://github.com/Aeywoo/WTDR/tree/main/WalkToTheDesert

[crude plank]

i meant in the same entry, yes, thank you

[hot gale]

Working on a mod that converts all the in-game trees and bushes to deco in a catalogue

this is tedious lol

Got all the sprites cut out and made, coded out and imported spring. I need to work on the bounding boxes and sprite drawing strings for the furniture

I dont quite understand how it works

[vernal crest]

You can add conditions to your patches if it's just your own edit to the minecarts that you want to restrict, but I'm not sure if maybe you want to restrict the RSV minecarts themselves behind an unlock condition too?

[hard fern]

If i wanted to create a 2 tile wide crafting station, how would i be able to do it?

[vernal crest]

What bit are you struggling with?

[hot gale]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Furniture

index 2 and 3

I think I just got it actually, it says tiles not pixels

[vernal crest]

Haha yeah

[hot gale]

Which is confusing, considering idk how many tiles the sprites are lol

I guess I could load them in tiled

[vernal crest]

What program are you using to edit them?

[hot gale]

photoshop

[vernal crest]

Turn your grid on at 16x16px

If you're lucky, photoshop will give you indexes like Aseprite does.

[hot gale]

err gimp

lol sorry forgot I stopped using PS

reflex

[vernal crest]

All good lol

[brave fable]

photoshop doesn't give indexes exactly, but if you set up a slice grid it'll number them for you

i'm not sure if gimp does similar

[lucid comet]

gimp also allows you to lay over a grid

[vernal crest]

If gimp doesn't, counting them is tedious but possible

[lucid comet]

you have to change the default from 10 (or 15) to 16 though

[brave fable]

i wouldn't bother counting, just hover your cursor over the point, take the coordinates, and divide by 16

[hot gale]

Sick

Thanks guys

[vernal crest]

The index you will want to give for field 8 is the top left of the sprite

[hot gale]

Each sheet is only 1 image

[vernal crest]

Oh, interesting

[hot gale]

Why is it drawing random lines

[vernal crest]

Then your size values would just be the entire image x/16 and y/16.

[brave fable]

presumably your sheet isn't a multiple of 16px high and wide