making-mods-general

[velvet narwhal]

(do not resuscitate)

[tender bloom]

Ah

[velvet narwhal]

lemme untick that

https://smapi.io/log/89109dfa061e46d581b814956f74166b if you're curious

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.3 with SDV 1.6.10 build 24309 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 111 C# mods and 49 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[tender bloom]

I get this and then crash to desktop https://smapi.io/json/none/f0a7eb71b49946cbb6fa78cd8e487406

(Doesn't show in a normal log because..AVE)

[velvet narwhal]

yep, unlogged like the support ticket

[tender bloom]

I'm just not sure why this would happen

[calm nebula]

It's currently being discussed in thr support thread

But I have no clue

It's wild

[brittle ledge]

Can someone eli5 AVE to me? And what's the most useful thing to do when it crashes without logging?

[tender bloom]

AVE = access violation error

If it's not in the SMAPI log, copying directly out of the terminal is the next best

[next plaza]

Technically there is a way to log it, in theory. Not sure if it works for all cases, but I talked to Pathos about it

[tender bloom]

I used the SMAPI json parser because lazy

[royal stump]

(don't bad transpilers cause that pretty easily? maybe I'm thinking of another one, though)

[velvet narwhal]

you said spacecore is failing to load? like from the title? or just newday?

[rancid temple]

Oh I know what I did, I fucking renamed my stupid mod and didn't change the Type in the building data

[tender bloom]

The thing that confuses me is that it's in MigrateLegacyItems and then further down StardewValley.Internal.ForEachItemHelper.ApplyToItem

Like at a glance that doesn't read like a stack trace that should cause an AVE, but I guess it could be transpilers

https://github.com/greyivy/OrnithologistsGuild/blob/25f7a7866bf2d9fe14cde7a2651ffce2577fb165/OrnithologistsGuild/ModEntry.cs#L72 this looks like perfectly normal code to me

[velvet narwhal]

DH IS SPAMMING MY LOGS

[tender bloom]

Completely reasonable to iterate over all items and try to migrate the ones that need migrating

Maybe it's something about delegates?

Idk anything about delegates though

[velvet narwhal]

https://smapi.io/log/ebbac64c7655455e82ea961cf1fbe4ed sorry about ding, from title as well as newday didn't cause a failure

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.3 with SDV 1.6.10 build 24309 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 110 C# mods and 48 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[lucid iron]

Do you have anything using save serializer

[velvet narwhal]

there's gotta be someone in that list

[next plaza]

As far as I know it appears to work fine, until you have a spacecore-serialized item or something. Then it disappears when you save with it and reload

[velvet narwhal]

i can go check again if i need to load any assets

uhhhhhhhhhhh anyone know off the top of their head? this list i ripped from logo's playthrough

oh wait i know, VMV yeah?

[lucid iron]

I used save serialize for my scythe enchant mod

If spacecore doesn't work, then you lose enchantment when you reload save

Should be easy enough to check

[velvet narwhal]

i am ignorant

[hallow prism]

(VMV what?)

[velvet narwhal]

using spacecore serializer

[hallow prism]

hum, i don't know what the C# part do outside of magic

it is possible the chest feature is using serialiser

[velvet narwhal]

it'll let me in the game eventually

[tender bloom]

yeah alright grumble grumble StardewValley.Delegates.ForEachItemDelegate( (Item item, Action remove, Action<Item> replaceWith) "doesn't take three arguments or something"

[calm nebula]

It does not

[hallow prism]

then you got your answer avi!

[hexed sequoia]

So, im really bad at all this file things and mods

Anyone wants to help out a dude updating his mods and SMAPI ?

I Only use 3 mods, so it shoulden be too bad haha

[velvet narwhal]

my save files are so borked after yesterday

!mh but also #modded-stardew

[ocean sail]

For help with modding issues, please ask in #1272025932932055121! When asking for assistance there, sharing an error log will help others identify your issue (see https://smapi.io/log for instructions).

To use this command, type !mh.

[vernal crest]

Not modded farmers!

[velvet narwhal]

my bad wrong quick tab

[calm nebula]

Oh

Okay yeah

Pathos added the in keyword

[velvet narwhal]

https://smapi.io/log/1e719a2c100d484896609e83571f7598 nope, just fine, i'm checking from title now

edit yep, from reopening the game, enchant is still there

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.3 with SDV 1.6.10 build 24309 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 6 C# mods and 0 content packs.

[rancid temple]

Well, finally gave it the right type, but uh... this isn't right

Whatever, it should still function for a serializer test

[tender bloom]

unfortunately trying to read the wiki about it makes my head hurt

[rancid musk]

what in tarnation

[calm nebula]

I'm surprised because i know pintail couldn't map that shit so

But yeah

[rancid musk]

That seems like a weird place to add the in keyword.

[calm nebula]

A value pass to a byref pass can do that

[tender bloom]

I have no idea how to fix this based on the wiki examples

Does this mean it needs to be totally rewritten?

[calm nebula]

No

[rancid temple]

Alright, as far as I can tell, my building is being serialized properly

[calm nebula]

Just recompile I suspect

[rancid musk]

Yeah, just a recompile. At worst, add in

[calm nebula]

Yeah

[velvet narwhal]

maybe just a problem of the author mis-serializing?

[calm nebula]

It's just obnoxious it's a Ave crash rn

No, avi

[velvet narwhal]

oh not the AVE, i meant the spacecore thing

oh unless we'reb oth on the same topic my brain is scattered, this morning was a loud scuffle because the whole house went out to vote

[next plaza]

Is it still there when you load the save back in?

[next plaza]

I mean, the thing about SpaceCore serializer is the only call mods do is api.RegisterSerializerType(typeof(blah));

They don't manually serialize anything

[rancid temple]

Yep

[tender bloom]

recompile errored

[rancid temple]

Still there, still functions (incorrectly but that isn't a SpaceCore issue lmao)

[tender bloom]

Error CS1593: Delegate 'ForEachItemDelegate' does not take 3 arguments (CS1593) (OrnithologistsGuild)

Which is why i was trying to figure out how to rewrite it

and how many arguments it needed

The wiki only seems to be going on about Utility.ForEachItemContext which is why I'm super confused

Ornithologist's Guild is using StardewValley.Internal.ForEachItemHelper.ForEachItemInWorld

[rancid musk]

StardewValley.Internal.ForEachItemHelper.ForEachItemInWorld(delegate (in ForEachItemContext ctx) {
                        
    return true;
})

[calm nebula]

Yeah it became a context

[rancid musk]

Also Utility.ForEachItemContext just calls that exact method

(Also also I have hit semantic satiation for the word "each" please send help)

[velvet narwhal]

"pumpkin" did that well over a dozen times for me during the contest

[tender bloom]

ah ok

let me try that

I understand now

For some reason this feels like pushing my brain through a maze, except my brain is toothpaste

I compiled and it works!!

No more AVE

Now for the grueling task of figuring out how to PR

[robust robin]

Hey I've tried to make a mod to remove the tipsy buff and it's not working. Any advice? I've tried several ways of doing it and none are working

[rancid temple]

Tipsy is the hardcoded one isn't it?

[brittle pasture]

not since 1.6 I think

!json post your code?

[ocean sail]

JSON is a standard format for machine-readable text files that's used by Stardew Valley mods.

If you need help with a JSON file, you can upload it to smapi.io/json to see automatic validation and share the link here.

When making mods, it's recommended to edit your files in a text editor with JSON support, such as VS Code, Notepad++, or Sublime Text. These programs will check for syntax errors.

To use this command, type !json.

[rancid temple]

Oh, well that should make it quite a bit easier lol

[wanton field]

short question about map making: Tilesheets are unpacked as .png could i unpack them in .tsx? and do i have to redo all the map properties per tile again for every new map?

[robust robin]

The JSON code doesn't have any errors, I think I'm just not finding the right approach This was my first attempt: {
"Format": "2.4.0",
"Changes": [
//Beer
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Fields": {
348: { 10: "0"},
303: { 10: "0"},
346: { 10: "0"},
459: { 10: "0"}
}
}
]
}

My second attempt didn't work either:{
"Format": "2.4.0",
"Changes": [
//Beer
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Fields": {
"BuffID": null
},
},

//Wine
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Fields": {
"BuffID": null
},
},

//PaleAle
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Fields": {
"BuffID": null
},
},

//Mead
{
"Action": "EditData",
"Target": "Data/Objects",
"Fields": {
"BuffID": null
},
},

{
"Action": "EditData",
     "Target": "Data/Objects",
     "Fields": {
        348: { 2: "5"},
        303: { 2: "5"},
        346: { 2: "5"},
        459: { 2: "10"}
         }
    }
]

}

[velvet narwhal]

you don't have to pack any of the map.pngs as the game will auto-grab, even if you're using recolors, your mod should only be shipped with your own .tmx unless you made your own custom tilesheets, then you can ship those (obviously)
if you have custom maps, yes, you have to do the map properties yourself

[tender bloom]

did you spawn new copies of the items?

[rancid temple]

Does Fields even take indexes like that?

[robust robin]

No, I'll try that

[tender bloom]

for the first attempt

[velvet narwhal]

well, the fields look wrong

i don't think you're targeting anything correctly there

[cyan marsh]

good afternoon... for whom it applies

[wanton field]

So if i do a custom map with vanilla tilesheets i need to do the properties by myself and the game wont grap them? sorry im pretty new to all this 🙂

[robust robin]

Honestly I don't really know what I'm doing 😂

[tender bloom]

Maybe try one object

and copy the CP docs for it

[velvet narwhal]

if you're talking about whether it gives a sandy-step, no, but if you're talking about things like warp, nighttiles etc, yes

[wanton field]

Yes im talking about Sand, dirt, digable, ...

[velvet narwhal]

then no, the game from the tilesheet understands where and what to do

[wanton field]

by using the .png to make the map? 🙂

[rancid temple]

In fact, because you're trying to modify Buffs you're gonna have to use TargetField

[velvet narwhal]

it's hardcoded that the game uses those specific .pngs for their sounds https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Maps#Basic_concepts

[wanton field]

Thank you so much! now i get it. i already read the wiki and watched a few tutorial but i was super confused. Thats that kind of magic i like ;D

[velvet narwhal]

i would highly suggest just ripping a vanilla .tmx and going from there though, starting from scratch as a new person ain't the right way to go

[tender bloom]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/action-editdata.md#target-field

[wanton field]

yes thats the way i want to try. Thank you!!

[velvet narwhal]

afaik i might take on the reins from aba doing the new location docs, that depends on how lazy i feel

[calm nebula]

@ivory plume mods that bundle harmony are now causing issues

[rancid temple]

Please send nukes

[robust robin]

That looks helpful thanks

[brittle pasture]

These look pretty incorrect. Have you unpacked Data/Objects to see what the objects you're editing should look like?
(Also you should upload to smapi.io/json, it's more readable there and does basic validation for you)

[rancid temple]

    {
      "Action": "EditData",
      "Target": "Data/Objects",
      "TargetField": [ "348", "Buffs" ],
      "Entries": {
        "Tipsy": null
      }
    },```

[wanton field]

sorry for this sentence is my english to bad 😅 i cant understand

[velvet narwhal]

oh that's not about you we do more documentation on https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Main_Page

mainwiki is for the short and sweet, but the wiki.gg is for in-depth tutorials

[robust robin]

That might work, thanks!

[rancid temple]

I tested it, it does lol

[latent mauve]

Y'all probably don't need my input anymore, but my coop generated by Spacecore seems fine.

[ivory plume]

Huh. How is it loading Harmony, given that SMAPI itself already loads it? I'm guessing it could be related to the private assembly reference changes?

[cyan marsh]

seems the recent update didn't hurt anything on my end... I'm happy

[calm nebula]

Possibly! That or the fact that smapi no longer uses harmony itself

Would it be worth it to ban other copies of harmony explicitly?

[teal bridge]

SMAPI hasn't used Harmony for quite a while, though.

[ivory plume]

SMAPI doesn't have any patches itself, but it still loads and uses Harmony (including the MiniMonoModHotfix hack).

[calm nebula]

Oh right yes

I forgot

[ivory plume]

I think explicitly ignoring Harmony would be treating the symptom; it would just cause issues with a different common DLL instead. It makes me wonder about the Json.NET errors I've been seeing reported on Content Patcher's page.

[calm nebula]

I forgot because that patch only exists to make harmony work so it's possible to have a harmony free smapi

Not that harmony isn't currently used

Sorry!!!!

[ivory plume]

In fact, that does seem to be the cause of the Json.NET errors:

Automate (from Mods\Automate\Automate.dll, ID: Pathoschild.Automate, assembly version: 2.3.1)...
   Loading assembly 'Newtonsoft.Json.dll'...
   Loading assembly 'Automate.dll'...

I might just pull the private assembly references changes out of SMAPI 4.1.0 until things are more stable and we can look into it without all the other confounding factors around the 1.6.9 update.

[lucid iron]

oh pathos there was typo here https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/src/SMAPI/Metadata/CoreAssetPropagator.cs#L337

[teal bridge]

If that was for me then yes, there is, but a smaller try-catch around GetTypes would have meant that the mod loaded and patched all the valid types successfully instead of failing to load at all.

[lucid iron]

based on decompile it should be _mapSeatsDirty

this triggers error on CP patch reload

#making-mods-general message

[tiny zealot]

(thanks chu)

[teal bridge]

Aren't we already at 4.1.3?

[ivory plume]

Yep. I mean out of the 4.1.x series of updates (i.e. 4.1.0 + bugfix patches).

[rancid musk]

@ivory plume Couple questions about the decompile project. Not time sensitive, of course.

1. Is there any particular reason why System.Memory and System.Buffers specifically are referenced by DLL? This prevents SkiaSharp from compiling for me as of 1.6.9

2. Did any code actually change in Netcode.NetDictionary.GetEnumerator()? Because the code ILSpy generates is complete nonsense now, and invalid. But I think it's just being super weird about TSerialDict potentially being a value type and the original code hasn't actually changed?

3. Are you averse to the ILSpy version used to decompile being updated? WIth 1.6.9 there's some funky code being generated where it, for example, is completely breaking down on switch cases and using tons of labels when it shouldn't be.

[tiny zealot]

atra mentioned a compile/decompile thing about switching on strings

trying to build SMAPI and having a bit of a faff about language version

/home/ichortower/SMAPI/src/SMAPI/Framework/Commands/HelpCommand.cs(79,21): error CS8652: The feature 'raw string literals' is currently in Preview and *unsupported*. To use Preview features, use the 'preview' language version. [/home/ichortower/SMAPI/src/SMAPI/SMAPI.csproj]```
(+2)
i have added `<LangVersion>preview</LangVersion>` to the csproj but it has no effect

[lucid iron]

what version of dotnet do you have

[tiny zealot]

this particular computer has dotnet SDK 6.0.423, so maybe i need a newer one, but i would think the error wouldn't be so confident that i could fix it in that case

[calm nebula]

You need 8 I suspect

[tiny zealot]

boo

[teal bridge]

Yeah, you can build against SDK 6 (or lower) but the C# compiler is part of the SDK, so to use latest compiler features you need latest SDK.

It is sort of counterintuitive, given how the runtime version and language version are separate entities, but that's how it is.

[tiny zealot]

my complaint is only about having to install stuff, not about the C# setup in particular

although i remain confused that sdk 6 knows about a feature and tells me to enable it but it isn't available

[rancid temple]

Is that still in preview or is it just from a version after 6?

Does it actually know or is it just defaulting to preview

[lucid iron]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/tokens/raw-string

its a C# 11 feature, which would be preview for C# 10

[iron ridge]

oh
no contenthashes on switch either

[next plaza]

ContentHashes was added purely for SMAPI, so that makes sense

[rancid musk]

Entirely for calling out people who use XNB mods. Content hashes are the best.

[teal bridge]

How many ways are there to build strings in C# now?

My memory's tapping out at seven (+, string.Format, string.Concat, StringBuilder, $, @, and now """) but I'll bet I missed a few.

[uncut viper]

do you count + and += as different

[ivory plume]

(You can also use combinations like $""" .)

[teal bridge]

Yes, I wasn't counting combinations like @$ even though I use them routinely (since they add kinda infinite possibilities).

[rancid musk]

Clearly the best way to make a string is csharp Encoding.UTF8.GetString(new byte[] { 72, 101, 108, 108, 111, 32, 119, 111, 114, 108, 100, 46 });

[teal bridge]

I count + and += as the same since += is just x = x + y.

[lucid iron]

is string.Concat different than +

[teal bridge]

Not by much.

[rancid musk]

It accepts an IEnumerable so you can join more than two segments

[uncut viper]

var builder = new StringBuilder();
var testString = string.Format(string.Concat($"{exclamation}...", builder.Append(@"""What a mess of a string.""").Append(Encoding.UTF8.GetString(new byte[] { 72, 101, 108, 108, 111, 32, 119, 111, 114, 108, 100, 46 })).ToString()));

[rancid musk]

Finally, a string

[uncut viper]

god i wish there was an easier way to do this

[teal bridge]

Using Encoding is certainly a novel one. Could riff on that and work in some unmanaged pointers too.

Oh yeah, and how could I forget new string(char[]). And Runes.

[iron ridge]

oo i should check the cheats save option

[gaunt orbit]

Personally I'm a fan of string.Create. Only occasionally practical though

[iron ridge]

that's.. odd
why are switch saves binary

[teal bridge]

What else would they be?

[next plaza]

XML like PC I guess

[teal bridge]

They're actually no-shit XML? I thought they were a binary representation like XNB.

[lucid iron]

+1 to the mod bundling harmony.dll pile
https://smapi.io/log/4cf211ee834f4fb095d8a68c12b1363a?Levels=trace~debug~info~warn~error~alert~critical

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.3 with SDV 1.6.10 build 24309 on Microsoft Windows 11 Home Single Language, with 45 C# mods and 169 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[next plaza]

Yeah, saves are just XML

[lucid iron]

how can i tell which mod is the one that loaded 0Harmony?

[next plaza]

I opened one a couple days ago to help debug some issues

Edited it a bit

Also useful for turning on chat cheat commands for a save without smapi

[iron ridge]

(this is utf8)

[rancid temple]

In raw log search for 0harmony lol, it's ChildToNPC

[teal bridge]

Huh, learn somethin' every day here... I never even thought about considering the option to open a save file in a text editor.

[iron ridge]

resaving on pc just saves it as readable xml

odd

[next plaza]

Wait, so it opens up fine on PC?

[iron ridge]

yes

[blissful panther]

...what.

[next plaza]

Is it in UTF16 or something?

[iron ridge]

🤷

savegameinfo is readable and fine in a text editor

[next plaza]

It looks fine in notepad, just normal xml

VSCode too

[iron ridge]

hmmmm

[blissful panther]

Yeah, looks perfectly normal on my end too.

[teal bridge]

I'll bet it's a BOM thing.

[iron ridge]

oh wait

[next plaza]

That was my guess too

[iron ridge]

no that fine is the resaved xml i sent

[next plaza]

Oh

[iron ridge]

here's the weird one

[next plaza]

Oh, that's much smaller

[teal bridge]

Wait, that's 10% the size

[iron ridge]

indeed

[next plaza]

I wonder, I know I've seen some code about compression that's disabled on PC

[iron ridge]

it's just made and not even slept yet (as in, day 1), is that to do with it?

[teal bridge]

(and that was some truly awful back of the envelope math)

[next plaza]

Ah, yeah, compressed saves can load fine even on PC

[iron ridge]

ahh

very interesting

[teal bridge]

Guess it makes sense that the PC versions wouldn't compress saves, they expect not to be tight on storage.

[next plaza]

You can look at SaveGame.TryReadSaveFile, there's a check for if the first byte ix 0x78

[iron ridge]

ah

[next plaza]

It is forced enabled for saving for consoles though

[iron ridge]

makes sense

is it enabled on mobile by default too?

[teal bridge]

Shhh, mobile doesn't exist. It was just a bad dream.

[next plaza]

No

[iron ridge]

oh i forgot to restore the modified save

that would explain the lack of cheats

[calm nebula]

I wonder of there is a way to make a string on the stack

But this is off topic

[iron ridge]

:O
it works!!

oh

the debug commands seem to not (world_setminelevel, help, netjoin)

oh but backpack does

OH
i was in the console commands section

obviously they wouldnt work

[teal bridge]

You can. You can stackalloc a byte array and pass it to encoding or as a ReadOnlySpan. Doesn't look much different from the non-stack version, though.

I'm not sure why you would - I guess maybe if you know the exact length of the string in advance and are doing the work in a low-level parser or language extension or something.

[icy viper]

Does XNBHack work for anyone?

[brittle pasture]

what XNBHack version and what game version?

[icy viper]

Both latest, 1.1.1 and 4.1.4

[teal bridge]

Sure, I just used it yesterday.

[icy viper]

I'm getting this 😦

Could not load type 'StardewModdingAPI.IManifestPrivateAssembly' from assembly 'SMAPI.Toolkit.CoreInterfaces, Version=4.1.4.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeModule.GetTypes(RuntimeModule module)
   at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes()
   at StardewValley.LocalMultiplayer.GetStaticFieldsAndDefaults() in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\0\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\LocalMultiplayer.cs:line 120
   at StardewValley.LocalMultiplayer.Initialize() in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\0\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\LocalMultiplayer.cs:line 92
   at StardewValley.GameRunner..ctor() in D:\GitlabRunner\builds\Gq5qA5P4\0\ConcernedApe\stardewvalley\Farmer\Farmer\LocalMultiplayer.cs:line 439
   at StardewXnbHack.Program.CreateTemporaryGameInstance(PlatformContext platform, String contentPath) in /home/pathoschild/git/StardewXnbHack/StardewXnbHack/Program.cs:line 327
   at StardewXnbHack.Program.Run(String[] args, GameRunner game, String gamePath, Func`3 getLogger, Boolean showPressAnyKeyToExit) in /home/pathoschild/git/StardewXnbHack/StardewXnbHack/Program.cs:line 149
System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'StardewModdingAPI.IManifestPrivateAssembly' from assembly 'SMAPI.Toolkit.CoreInterfaces, Version=4.1.4.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.```

[icy viper]

Was it on beta 1.6.9?

[teal bridge]

Is there another version of SMAPI out already? Mine from yesterday says 4.1.3.

No, none of it was beta, it was after all the releases and efixes went out.

[icy viper]

It was just updated like a few minutes ago. Fixed content patcher "breaking" content packs or something like that.

[teal bridge]

Well, you can try 4.1.3, that one definitely worked with xnbhack 1.1.1 for me yesterday. Now I'm afraid to update to 4.1.4.

Pathos did say he was reverting some private assembly stuff to deal with the Harmony issues, I think.

[calm nebula]

( @ivory plume xnbhack needs a recompile?)

[ivory plume]

Sure, I guess I'll do that today.

[teal bridge]

I'm trying to decide whether to imagine that statement in a chipper tone or with a deep sigh.

[calm nebula]

Meanwhile myuu seems to have been awake for the last like 36+ hrs lol in #vanilla-tech-support

[teal bridge]

Ah, memories of work, and skipping away on vacation the day before the push...

[calm nebula]

How are people feeling about mobile mp

[next plaza]

Dreading the bug reports

[tender bloom]

oh no myuuuuu

[next plaza]

But thankful there's no mobile SMAPI to compound issues right now

[lucid iron]

does it let you connect mobile sdv to smapi sdv on pc

[next plaza]

Yeah

[lucid iron]

fear

[next plaza]

Myuu has already been doing that

[brittle pasture]

(key word being now because apparently the maintainer came back??? But maybe it's likely they'll take a look at the mess and just shrug)

[calm nebula]

Poor Pathos

I wonder where on his checklist he is now

[next plaza]

The guide on the website even says the ideal scenario is to connect to a PC hosted farm

[royal stump]

if my janky mid-day save hack still works on...whatever mobile does now, I'm fine with it coming back

if I have to write a better one I'll cry

[gaunt orbit]

Is mobile still on xamarin or is it using core now?

[next plaza]

Core

[lucid iron]

well i was hoping it'd be a pc hosted vanilla sdv

[gaunt orbit]

Thank God

[lucid iron]

given the usual problems with mismatch mod list

[teal bridge]

Core with AoT, though.

[velvet narwhal]

huh, did something change? https://smapi.io/log/d3421eff73b847e9a6e497d819e5c808

[ocean sail]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.1.4 with SDV 1.6.10 build 24309 on Microsoft Windows 10 Home, with 124 C# mods and 70 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[next plaza]

To be more specific, it's on the android version of .net 8

With AoT, yes

[velvet narwhal]

uif2 is throwing a nullref now on Display.RenderedActiveMenu event

[gaunt orbit]

Then that immediately torpedoes mods doesn't it?

AoT means no harmony

[next plaza]

I mean, Content Patcher could still work

[teal bridge]

You mean UI Info Suite 2? It's throwing on a lot of things.

[next plaza]

But most likely no harmony (and definitely not transpilers), yeah

[teal bridge]

I just disabled exceptions for it for now.

[calm nebula]

No harmony but smapi doesn't need harmony anymore

Non harmony mods have a chance

[teal bridge]

SMAPI doesn't, but the mods do.

"A change", lol

[gaunt orbit]

Yeah but almost every framework mod uses it, or relies on something that does

[next plaza]

I assume that was meant to be chance

True

[teal bridge]

Oh, that makes more sense. I read it as the understatement of the century.

[rancid musk]

Are we really talking about mobile porting again? It's been a day, lol

[next plaza]

Does FTM use harmony?

[royal stump]

it's technically not critical, but it does nowadays, yeah

[lucid iron]

we just have to do everything through actions i guess

[gaunt orbit]

I mean it makes my life easier since I don't ever have to worry about mobile support but I do feel kinda bad for mobile users

[brittle pasture]

it's because the smapi mobile dev came back, so we're having another existential dread episode

[next plaza]

Interesting. I can't recall how much of SVE's harmony stuff is critical, but I wonder if that means it could work on mobile. 😛

[royal stump]

random monster settings, some monster optimization that became less important in SDV 1.5. etc
https://github.com/Esca-MMC/FarmTypeManager/tree/master/FarmTypeManager/Harmony Patches

but yeah, SVE does a few dozen random things that might be missed

[teal bridge]

I don't feel bad for mobile users. Mobile games are an abomination.

[next plaza]

That seems unfair

Some mobile games are alright

[teal bridge]

I was like, 85% joking.

[next plaza]

Ah,

[teal bridge]

Not 100%, but nevertheless, I wouldn't expect any gaming experience to be excellent on mobile.

[gaunt orbit]

There's definitely some mobile game gems out there! I just hate the form factor and touch-only controls

[royal stump]

(mobile stores are aboms, but I don't particularly like steam either, so )

[next plaza]

Match 3 games (the non life counting ones) are pretty decent

[lucid iron]

is sdv itself nice on mobile

i struggle to imagine how the controls work

[calm nebula]

On a good phone yes

[blissful panther]

I love the tap to move style of play.

[next plaza]

I hear combat is a nightmare without a controller

[gaunt orbit]

Fdroid is wonderful! Albeit with a limited library

[calm nebula]

The tap controls are quite good

[royal stump]

it's changed a couple times, but with a big screen it was okay, they did a lot of QoL movement stuff to make it tolerable

[hard fern]

🤔 tbh im fine with android smapi being dead.... As much as i like having my mods, it was . .. awkward when it came to actually getting them to work, and with all the android updates, was just a hassle

[blissful panther]

Still have that prototype mod for putting that on PC...

[calm nebula]

I one-shot the volcano with tap controls starting at like 11 am

It's fine

Get good.

[next plaza]

I've never tried it, maybe I'm already good /s

[iron ridge]

Given that mobile can connect to PC and not break, does that mean any platform, if forced to join a PC game could understand each others packets?

[gaunt orbit]

I think that would depend on how it's ported to other platforms

If it's pure net aot then probably?

[next plaza]

Yeah, I'm not sure if consoles even can do normal socket connections

(Specifically console SDV)

Instead of their platform's networking stuff

(As in, the platform network that lets you connect to friends and stuff)

[blissful panther]

And it would almost certainly be heavily NDAd if that were some kind of limitation!

[next plaza]

As for if it would work if you did manage it, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure how close what we're doing is to normal .net aot

[gaunt orbit]

Isn't that stuff usually just a layer on top?

[next plaza]

For consoles in particular

[next plaza]

I haven't looked at our console stuff much, but for SDV it's an entirely different net helper instance. If it's like steam, completely different API calls and stuff

[next plaza]

I mean, to be fair, there are games with crossplay, using PlayFab or stuff

[gaunt orbit]

Aaaah interesting

[next plaza]

I think sony is kinda particular about how crossplay is implemented though

Like various restrictions and what not

Not sure about the others

[gaunt orbit]

My only real familiarity with networking is web stuff

[next plaza]

Well, like, there's web rtc and web socket for example

They both do networking, but they can't connect to each other

[blissful panther]

That's fair! Genuinely no idea personally, but I'd bet it's a very specific type of "request these addresses and ports, and you might get them" kind of thing.

Pure speculation, though!

[next plaza]

(I realize there's a lot more differences in addition, but I think that's the relevant part to this discussion)

[gaunt orbit]

Yeah, I do know how to use that, I'm just not sure how it compares with stuff closer to the hardware

[velvet narwhal]

(ix my last log, i loaded an old save and that was a fat no no )

[teal bridge]

Mobile should generally be fine in that regard, they can even run network servers even though it tends to be a bad idea.

Consoles are definitely different.

[next plaza]

We could in theory have like a PlayFabNetClient/PlayFabNetServer (or some other commonly usable net platform) (in this case it's not like dedicated servers, it's just whose hosting) I guess, similar to GalaxyNetClient/Server and SteamNetClietn/Server

But it's not as simple as crossplay itself, there's a bunch of restrictions for it on each platform too

[tawny ore]

I wonder if modded server magic could trick a console client into thinking it was connecting to a vanilla console host

[next plaza]

I don't think sony's stuff is public, but microsoft has some public stuff about it in the gdk docs apparently

[tawny ore]

The whole Bedrock/Java thing makes me think it would be possible. Edit: Geyser is what I'm referring to.

[next plaza]

I assume you'd have to somehow connect to the console platform's servers for that

[tawny ore]

Minecraft is probably the exception since it's like the most popular game in the world ever, so they have leverage to say the least.

[next plaza]

A quick google search says you can't connect to custom servers with MC on switch at least

[iron ridge]

You can if you use some app to proxy it to a fake LAN server

[next plaza]

Though for MC I think it shows -- ^ yeah

[iron ridge]

(Phone app)

[tawny ore]

Ah, only possible for Xbox and Switch, so of course Playstation is the odd console out.

[next plaza]

Hmm, can you even connect to lan servers with SDV on console

[tawny ore]

Looks like for Xbox+Switch the guides have you change to a custom DNS server which will redirect the requests.

[iron ridge]

Yes

There's the weird fancy stuff and then the normal lan stuff (LDN, but requires ldn Mitm on the switch if you're doing it to an emulator)

[next plaza]

Interesting

[iron ridge]

https://web.archive.org/web/20240104220334/https://blog.ryujinx.org/local-wireless-technical-walkthrough/

[tall wind]

I don't think the “CustomLocations” on the content patcher is working, anyone know what it is?

It was fine with SDV 1.6.8, but when I updated to 1.6.9 and the latest version of CP, the location is no longer added to the game.

[tender bloom]

Are you on 1.6.10?

Or 1.6.9?

[velvet narwhal]

SDV is up to 1.6.10, and smapi is up to 4.1.4 now, so update all of those cause so far everything is pretty smooth

[tender bloom]

Also are you making a mod or using mods?

[old edge]

Just loaded my mods in 1.6.10

[tall wind]

Ah, 1.6.10.

[sweet sphinx]

oh, can I update my stuff now?

[old edge]

What benefits does the smapi developer version have?

[rain basalt]

evening all just got off work anything i should know about 1.6.10 before updating everything again?

[old edge]

It seems my mod cape Stardew working fine

[iron ridge]

You see trace in the window

[velvet narwhal]

it spams the console, pretty much

[iron ridge]

It's just a config value changed - you can make any non dev version a dev version

[tall wind]

I created a mod with 1.6.8 until just a few minutes ago and it loaded fine, but when I updated to SDV 1.6.10, SMAPI and the content patcher to the latest version, the “CustomLocations” is not working or the locations are not loading.

[sweet sphinx]

I was told yesterday to wait 24 hours for the fires to be put out, b4 updating, are the fires out yet?

[next plaza]

Huh, turns out the "SpaceCore 1.26.0 not compatible" people were because of the really old mods with 0Harmony.dll stuff

[gaunt orbit]

CustomLocations shouldn't be used in 1.6.x anyways, you should be using data edit patches pointed at Data/Locations instead.

[rain basalt]

yah >.> fun times lol that Data/Locations is

[gaunt orbit]

aw, it's not that complicated

[tall wind]

Yes, I will try that.

[old edge]

Oh nvm bunch of errors popped up could not find files

[acoustic summit]

Anyone have examples of event.actionsOnSkip being used?

[old edge]

Well it's the modpocalypse again

[acoustic summit]

I tried to add an event action but I feel like I used the improper syntax

[old edge]

Did they fix the .tmx map issue yet?

[rain basalt]

last i knew it was fixed

[next plaza]

Turns out SpaceCore isn't properly processing spacecore-serialization.cs/etc. stuff - it never takes stuff out or puts them back in

What a nasty oversight

[rain basalt]

have faith in you

[next plaza]

Well, that bad part is, it's released. Which means old spacecore-serialization.json stuff didn't get updated, and if the save doesn't match things go kaboom

If it doesn't match when it's working that is

So I'm adding code to fallback to loading without the modded data otherwise

[gaunt orbit]

[next plaza]

(The flaw with how SpaceCore takes things out anywhere instead of in specific places is that you can't really reconstruct it for any differently structured XML)

Compared to a manual approach of say, only taking out terrain features in game locations

[tender bloom]

hmm i hope all goes well then

I don't think I'm running any mods that use serialization but whooo knows

[next plaza]

Honestly, I should've added this fallback ages ago

Since if you revert to an older save version but leave spacecore-serialization.json in there, things could very well go kaboom like mentioned

[rain basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-2022-funny-goofy-gif-26771033

i love explosions though

[next plaza]

...And of course LoadGameMenu is using some local methods now for the stuff I need to access, so I need more shenanigans to access those instead of transpiling FindSaveGames directly

[rancid musk]

Oh boy delegates

I hate targeting delegate methods.

[proud wyvern]

eh, patching local/delegate methods is fineee

have fun calling a local though

[next plaza]

Oh no

I need to access some of the local values from outside the local function

Whyyyyyyy

[proud wyvern]

oof

[rain basalt]

[lucid iron]

maybe i should do ichor's snorlax method instead

swap in whatever special type only after save loaded

[rain basalt]

well general mockup done now for details

[next plaza]

Okay it wasn't that bad

[tidal onyx]

Hai hello :3

[next plaza]

newInsns.Add(new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Ldfld, originalMethod.GetParameters()[2].ParameterType.GetField("pathToFile")));

Assuming it works

[rancid musk]

That looks suspicious

[next plaza]

I'm glad the Item Bags author gave me a copy of the dev build to test with instead of me needing to find some mod that adds an easily accessible C# item type

[next plaza]

How so?

I should probably use GetParameters().Last()

Since that'll always be the captured stuff

[tidal onyx]

Oh lord i came here bc i have ideas for a mod and wanted to learn about it but i dont understand a word yall r saying

[lucid iron]

just ask away

[uncut viper]

you likely will not need to worry about what it is theyre talking about if what you want to do can be done with content patcher

[tidal onyx]

Ohh okay gotcha

[gaunt orbit]

I tested some fun harmony shenanigans a while ago to do GameLocation subclass sanitization and I was actually able to get it working
basically it filtered the list of locations while saving, and when it encountered a subclass, it created a blank GameLocation, copied stuff over, and called a method on the subclass to copy state data into ModData of the new placeholder location

it worked really well, actually, and I didn't even need to touch the loading code bc the game reads from location data and then copies save data into the loaded locations

[rain basalt]

well 2 main mod types CP (content patcher) and C#

[rancid musk]

I should go look at the load menu code.

[rain basalt]

CP is fairly easy to learn

[tender bloom]

!startmodding

[ocean sail]

Making mods can be broadly divided into two categories:

• Content packs are formatted text files, and don't need any programming knowledge. They can add/edit NPCs, maps, new items, shops, and more. To get started, see the list of framework mods, the wiki tutorial for Content Patcher, and there might be relevant guides on the tutorial wiki.
• C# mods use programming code to change fundamental game mechanics. See getting started with C# modding.

Usually it’s easier to start with making content packs, since you don't need to learn programming.

To use this command, type !startmodding.

[tidal onyx]

Thank u so much :D i will look into it

[next plaza]

What happens if you want custom data on the subclass? (like net fields)

[rain basalt]

have any questions about anything mod building related just hit us up

[tidal onyx]

Might be a stupid question but with the cp one, would it be possible to run a shop from on the farm? ^^; i wanna get the basics of the idea down before I commit to making anything

[lucid iron]

there's a mod kind of like that, market town

[gaunt orbit]

the base class for the subclass has a method that's called to "store" custom data, so I was just using that to write values to the ModData
the copies were also only used for serialization, and didn't affect the instances in-game, so any netfields were preserved on the "live" instance
(That was actually the main thing I wanted to test)

[lucid iron]

if you want to make your own, then you need to use C#

[next plaza]

That's very interesting. I generally don't like mod data because of the constant de/serialization, but if it's for saving and loading anyways that makes sense

[rain basalt]

hmm wasnt there a shop framework at one point or did it not get updated?

[uncut viper]

making a shop is easy, making the farmer be the one running it is different

[tidal onyx]

The general idea was to add in some more baked goods as items and run a little bakery either somewhere in town or from on the farm itself, i have no idea if that's possible tbh but i looked through some mods and didn't see anything quite fitting what I want, ig i want something personal for myself

[uncut viper]

depending on what exactly is meant by "running it"

that shop framework is also no longer needed in 1.6

[next plaza]

Time to make a new test save in case this blows up

[rain basalt]

if you have an npc to run it you shouldnt have any issues

not 1.6.10?

[uncut viper]

putting the shop on the farm itself would also be more difficult than otherwise

[next plaza]

Good point, but I haven't updated my dev instance, so yes 😛

[gaunt orbit]

yeah, NPCs are blacklisted from pathfinding on the farm

[next plaza]

I'm still on SMAPI 4.1.0-beta.5

[uncut viper]

but yeah, making a shop elsewhere run by an NPC or just no one is easy, but i didnt think thats what they wanted

[rain basalt]

.<

[tidal onyx]

I see

[uncut viper]

(not to mention people with different farm layouts, modded or otherwise)

[tidal onyx]

Truee, honestly I think the mod would be more for myself in one specific save i have but still fair

I have so much lore for my save and yeah LMAO

[rain basalt]

hmm it could be put in town to make it easier

[lucid iron]

maybe you are run e-bakery empire (through this funny looking shipping bin)

[brittle ledge]

You could make a shop building with CP or SF to get around the farm placement issue, but actually selling out of it would require C#, yeah

But look into Market Town, it might be similar to what you want

[tidal onyx]

Okay! I'll check it out :D

[final arch]

youll miss all the fun bugs maybe

[rain basalt]

na still in bug beta

[next plaza]

Posting SpaceCore 1.26.1 with the serializer stuff fixed.

[rain basalt]

should i copy my save? first

[next plaza]

I mean, I would hope you did that when 1.6.9 first dropped

[rain basalt]

na my last save was Beta testing

[next plaza]

There's more details on the file description and one of the comments, but if stuff went missing and you saved while it was missing, it's probably gone for good.

[lucid iron]

would there be problems if people saved something with serialized type

and then latter remove mod, even after spacecore-1.26.1

[next plaza]

If they saved with a serialized type with 1.26.0, the content is baked into the save file, so you'd need all mods involved to load that save file until you save again with 1.26.1

[lucid iron]

ah that's good enough, thank you

[shut oasis]

Are we expecting a 1.6.11 update sometime soon? - based on the change being reverted in .10, I assume if/when that's fixed it'll get deployed?

[lucid iron]

the .10 version is more like a 1.6.9.1

emergency bug fix kind of deal, i imagine if we have .11 it'd go through the beta cycle again

[shut oasis]

Yea, I figured .10 was released quickly as a critical bugfix, but wasn't sure if it was like temporary stand-in, or this is the version we'll have for a while. - specifically because I wasn't sure if it's worth me playing with map changes in the current version or just waiting to see what the new map tilesheet system included.

[old edge]

Umm why would people be saying a mod is incompatible with other mods if all they do is add content patcher data patches? Seems like there's a huge problem with nexus website and there requirements section.

[lucid iron]

well with mod making just do whatever you want

you can figure out whether it'll run on other people's machine once you are done

[uncut viper]

content patcher patches can still be incompatible with other mods

[next plaza]

Yeah, UI recolors are big example

[old edge]

People be saying Realistic seasonal shop inventory is incompatible but it adds compatibility for mods and only reason it's incompatible cause the authors haven't added a patch for that mod simple to understand

[next plaza]

(Though why you'd want more than one is another question)

[uncut viper]

well, it seems like you've answered your own question as to why people say mods are incompatible, then

[shut oasis]

Well in terms of just me playing with it, I've modified the changes I want into someone elses much larger mod. So I can enjoy it just fine. :P But to release it I'll have to separate it out into it's own thing. So I guess I'll just sit on it for now and save myself the work

[old edge]

Yeah just I guess people don't read the information

[uncut viper]

something not being in a requirements section doesnt mean its incompatible

[old edge]

Ywah but it doesn't break anything just means the author hasn't added a patch for the mod

[uncut viper]

im not sure i understood your original message entirely so forgive me if my responses are misunderstanding you

[old edge]

People think RSSI is incompatible with mods it's a harmless data patch and no one patches inventory stock

Don't see how it could be conflicting

[uncut viper]

that doesnt mean its not incompatible, though

[old edge]

Yeah it's not incompatible

[uncut viper]

"incompatible" doesnt always mean "breaks everything"

[old edge]

Yeah just found it odd how people keep saying it breaks other mods or it won't work with a mod or something

I have yet to see another inventory stock mod

[rain basalt]

i love how i got someone mailing me cause another mods map failed to load into my greenhouse mod

[brittle ledge]

What's the full context here? I don't really see anything mentioned in the mod page?

[frail swan]

anybody know what buildingPlacementTiles.xnb got switched to in the update?

[uncut viper]

it was just deleted. those tiles are in some other sheet i cannot recall but someone surely does

[lucid iron]

yes, there's a 1x scale version in cursors

you can use that with scale 4 to draw the same tiles as before

[frail swan]

can't for the life of me find it

[lucid iron]

194 388 96 16

[frail swan]

I just dont even know where the cursors folder is

[quaint moss]

Anyone noticed patch reloads taking longer since 1.6.9 dropped? I've used every single version of SMAPI 4.1.x so far with everything updated and it's all the same. Performance on my minimal testing environment has been terrible since the update.

[lucid iron]

LooseSprites/Cursors.png

[ornate trellis]

cursors is in the Tilesheets folder

err loosesprites lol

hate it when i type what i am looking at instead of what i was thinking to type :I

[frail swan]

thanks muchly pals

[ornate trellis]

anyway...came here to ask if theres any knowledge of textures looking weird in the AT UI when wanting to select one or if its maybe just still 1.6.9 shenanigans happened or w/e

cuz i know 90% or a time I am a silly goof and did the error somehow myself so im asking this time before getting frustrated

[next plaza]

Hmm, that does sound weird. One workaround is you can patch reload a specific file in your content pack now, but I'm not sure why performance would've gotten worse, and if that's because of CP (patch reload) or SMAPI (asset reload handling)

[frail swan]

what does this mean?

[uncut viper]

pixel coordinates i imagine

and width/height

[lucid iron]

yea this is the arguments to the source rectangle you would use to draw

X Y width height

[frail swan]

so how would I switch this?

{
// Full asset is five 64x64 pixel tiles in a row, we only want the leftmost one of these tiles
Texture2D fullAsset = ModEntry.Instance.Helper.GameContent.Load<Texture2D>("LooseSprites/buildingPlacementTiles");

    // Get color data of entire asset
    Color[] fullAssetColors = new Color[fullAsset.Width * fullAsset.Height];
    fullAsset.GetData<Color>(fullAssetColors);

    // Copy only leftmost tile to smaller array
    Color[] greenSliceAssetColors = new Color[64 * fullAsset.Height];
    Color[] redSliceAssetColors = new Color[64 * fullAsset.Height];
    Color[] grayScaleAssetColors = new Color[64 * fullAsset.Height];

    for (int y = 0; y < 64; y++)
    {
        for (int x = 0; x < 64; x++)
        {
            greenSliceAssetColors[x + y * 64] = fullAssetColors[x + y * fullAsset.Width];
            redSliceAssetColors[x + y * 64] = fullAssetColors[(64 + x) + y * fullAsset.Width];
            grayScaleAssetColors[x + y * 64] = fullAssetColors[x + y * fullAsset.Width].ToGrayScale();
        }
    }

[calm nebula]

What are you trying to do here

[frail swan]

just make it work with the new patch

[uncut viper]

are you grabbing just the left icon by copying pixel data directly?

[next plaza]

Somebody reported a JA error on the SpaceCore page today, so I mentioned it was JA not SpaceCore (ie. go post there):

well.. does it matter where you report the problem.you are the author of the mod after all [...]

[calm nebula]

No, go up one level from that. What are you trying to do

[frail swan]

is there a better way to do it?

[uncut viper]

we don't know what you're trying to do

what is the end goal of this code

[tender bloom]

organization? never heard of it

[uncut viper]

There likely is a better way to do what you want to do but we can't say what it is until we know what you want to do

[next plaza]

@ivory plume Any chance SMAPI could get detection for: "This mod failed in the Display.MenuChanged event. Technical details:
Failed loading type 'StardewValley.ItemStockInformation': TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'StardewValley.ItemStockInformation' from assembly 'JsonAssets, Version=1.11.8.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' due to value type mismatch." to keep the mod from loading?

(Apparently affects TMXL too, not just JA)

[frail swan]

I just wanna steal the cursor, honestly maybe I should just try to find the old file and put it back in

[lucid iron]

im not sure why you have to do this

just draw from the cursor?

here's a example from the game where it draws the green square when you use tool like watering can

b.Draw(Game1.mouseCursors, Game1.GlobalToLocal(new Vector2((int)item.X * 64, (int)item.Y * 64)), new Rectangle(194, 388, 16, 16), Color.White, 0f, Vector2.Zero, 4f, SpriteEffects.None, 0.01f);

if u need the red sqaure u can just add 16 to 194 (for 210), and so on

[knotty trellis]

Hello!

I was wondering if I could get some help with sprite changes on NPCs, since idk if it's possible to have them change sprites for a day. Is it possible to do?

[rain basalt]

yes with CP you can set day time trigger for load

[finite meadow]

Having a little issue with custom farm map. After saving first day and exiting game/reloading, farm house spawns another fireplace (1792, brick) in the house, what could be causing it ?

Using tiled to place furniture, but such id isn't listed there

[knotty trellis]

Thank you, does this also work for modded NPCs, or vanilla ones only?

[rain basalt]

you can target any npc loaded

[knotty trellis]

Awesome, thank you!

[rain basalt]

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide/tokens.md

basicly you can check day 1-28 season spring summer fall winter and have it trigger the change for the whole day and then revert after the day

[uncut viper]

you dont need to do that, you can use Appearances

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:NPC_data#Appearance_.26_sprite

[rain basalt]

think they wanted specific day though

[uncut viper]

no reason you cant do that with Appearances

they take a GSQ

[rain basalt]

ah k

[sweet sphinx]

GSQ?

[knotty trellis]

Ah ok, I'll probably look at both and use whichever seems easier, thank you both so much!

[uncut viper]

game state query

[sweet sphinx]

ah

[rain basalt]

game state query

[uncut viper]

https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Game_state_queries

[rain basalt]

.> glad i make my custom tile sheets large enough to just add one tile when i find i need to edit something lol

[lucid iron]

strongly recommended to do appearances

it's the same system used for vanilla winter outfits fyi

[knotty trellis]

Okay, would you say to put the line in with the rest of the NPCs schedule, or would it go somewhere else?

[uncut viper]

it wouldnt go in the schedule, it goes in their Character data

[knotty trellis]

Okay

[lucid iron]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:_Adding_Seasonal_Outfits_via_Appearances

[uncut viper]

you can also look at your unpacked Data/Characters for examples too

[knotty trellis]

Alright! This is my first time trying to mod a game, so thank you all for the help (:

[rain basalt]

i havent attempted NPCs yet but i hear they can break easy if you forget a spot

[next plaza]

@calm nebula re: question in #programmers-off-topic - Had to fix a serious spacecore bug earlier, and finally got the updated JA build done

[latent mauve]

Just be careful with your weight/precedence for Appearances, or you might accidentally block your new one from appearing

[knotty trellis]

Understood, and I have one more question for now, I think. Will I need to create separate files for the appearances, or can they just be added to an existing sheet, since I currently have all of mine on one sheet?

[lucid iron]

i don't think appearances let you define a source rect, so yes need to separate

[knotty trellis]

Alright, thank you

[rain basalt]

hmm any recomendations for the top area already plan to adjust the right path to make it less straight feeling

[deep cypress]

Maybe narrow it down to just one tile wide instead of two about half way up?

[rain basalt]

hmm kk ill keep playing with it

[deep cypress]

Also, make the cliff less straight. Make it come down one more.

[rain basalt]

i was thinking of making it bulge into the dark grass area a little and placing a perma tree on top\

[deep cypress]

Yes! 🙂

[rain basalt]

yah definatly gave it more feeling

[rancid temple]

This is so weird... The map strings on Aba's Halloween mod are messed up for me, the same way the dialogue box is for my crow building... But I checked Lacey and they work there

[rain basalt]

hmm mabey it broke cause its after halloween

[lucid iron]

are those custom map strings?

[rancid temple]

Yep

Both are adding to Strings/StringsFromMaps

[lucid iron]

check if u see them in a patch export of the asset maybe

[rancid temple]

Just need a few minutes while I try to make my brain do the brain thing and remember I gotta put fucking Maps/ in front of it

Hm it's there, but now I'm wondering if this is case sensitive

[sweet sphinx]

how do yall be making maps?

[rancid temple]

Do you mean with what software or what?

[sweet sphinx]

yes

[rancid temple]

!tiled is this the command?

Nope, hm, one sec

!mapmaking

[ocean sail]

If you want to make mods that add or edit maps:

1. Use Tiled to edit .tmx or .tbin files.

2. Refer to the Maps wiki page for details on how maps work in Stardew Valley.

3. Content Patcher allows you to create custom locations through editing Data/Locations

4. Vanilla Maps can be edited via Content Patcher as well: EditMap

To use this command, type !mapmaking.

[sweet sphinx]

thanks

[rancid temple]

For me, it was a lot of trial and error and the general advice of look at how the maps are made in vanilla and imitate that

[rain basalt]

i use tiled

[rancid temple]

Aside from that, if you're artistic I'm sure it's a lot easier lol, I can make plenty of perfectly rectangular things but making it look natural and good is hard for me

[lucid iron]

always start with a vanilla map

game's pretty strict about layer namings

[sweet sphinx]

mood

also I read that as "if you're autistic" at first XD

[lucid iron]

sometimes strict about tilesheet names too

[ivory plume]

(StardewXnbHack 1.1.2 is now released, with support for the latest SMAPI 4.1.4.)

[rain basalt]

broke up the edge will fix the rock face look soon any other suggestions

[rancid temple]

Flowers? Vanilla usually has some dancing ones around

[sweet sphinx]

the little jelly flowers?

[patent lance]

@calm nebula: add the new shop to gsqcheck (20h ago)

[rain basalt]

ah the spring flowers yah sec gota animate them again

[rancid temple]

Okay, has Buildings Message always been case sensitive?

[sweet sphinx]

the one farm map I use(d) had like 8 of those flowers upsidedown, and idk how they did that

[rain basalt]

far as i know its all case sensitive

in tiled you can rotate / flip tiles tmx can do it tbin cant

[rancid temple]

I mean, assuming it's case sensitive is a good idea, but a lot of things aren't so it's kind of a mixed bag

[calm nebula]

(::pufferheart:)

[rain basalt]

i always assume case sensitive lol

[calm nebula]

Yes

[calm nebula]

Meow

[rancid temple]

Well, I guess I will just continue my "make everything case sensitive" crusade forever then

[rain basalt]

its a good habbit specialy with programming

[rancid temple]

Not sure what the hell is wrong with my crow building, I'm using the mod translation class builder for that one lol

[lucid iron]

what were u getting for that

[lucid iron]

oh i know you didnt call it

[uncut viper]

did you pass in the delegate itself and not the value or vice versa

[calm nebula]

Lol

[lucid iron]

need I18n.Enchantment_Gatherer_Name()

instead of I18n.Enchantment_Gatherer_Name

or w/e key u have

[rancid temple]

Huh, it was working during the beta lmao

[ivory plume]

I don't really want to change the low-level assembly loading/rewrite logic for now, since we're still stabilizing stuff after 1.6.9. I could add specific mods to SMAPI's internal compatibility blacklist though.

[rancid temple]

I'm passing a string to Game1.drawObjectDialogue, built off an I18n and a variable, which was working before

Easy fix, just confusion

Well, maybe not easy fix, I still need to be able to pass the variable

[lucid iron]

i have similar usage, let me try it

[rain basalt]

hmm what time is 00:-01

[lucid iron]

i gotta fix the closetime maths lol

Wheels.FormatTime is helper that turns a 0600 format time to 06:00 (once i fix it anyways)

Game1.drawObjectDialogue(I18n.Shop_OpenTimes(openTime: Wheels.FormatTime(openTime), closeTime: Wheels.FormatTime(closeTime)));
```i18n
```json
"shop.open-times": "Open {{openTime}} to {{closeTime}}"

[rain basalt]

they open but never close

[lucid iron]

r u do something similar

[rancid temple]

Similar-ish but not enough lmao

Game1.drawObjectDialogue($"{I18n.CrowsFed} {crowsFed.Value}.");```

[lucid iron]

you are formatting the delegate

[uncut viper]

I18n.CrowsFed isnt putting the string there thats just the function itself

[lucid iron]

should just use the {{token}} stuff

it'll be nicer for translators

they can rearrange for locale/grammar

[uncut viper]

$"{I18n.CrowsFed()} {crowsFed.Value}." (but also i agree with chu too)

[rancid temple]

Yeah, I'm gonna switch to how chu is doing it, mostly just trying to figure out why either I thought it was working before or it changed (first is almost certainly the one lmao)

I was messing with this crap for a while trying to figure out where I was going wrong with attaching this functionality to a custom building in the first place, probably just was happy anything appeared but I could've sworn I was getting actual text there and not indecipherable gibberish

[uncut viper]

its possible you were originally using some function call that does take a function like that and changed it later

[rancid temple]

And I still don't understand delegates well at all, so I figured I'd remember if I had to do something different than just providing a plain string lol

[uncut viper]

like GMCM does

[rancid temple]

Oh is it just being messed up because I wasn't using the () at the end of CrowsFed? Looking at my repo I wasn't using translations before lmao

[uncut viper]

correct

[rancid temple]

Ah, thought it would only bork the translation and not the whole thing

[uncut viper]

with the translation helper all i18n things like that are functions that return the string in question

[lucid iron]

the mod translation class builder is source code generation from what i gather

it makes a static class called I18n for you, containing bunch of static methods that call upon the i18n keys

[rancid temple]

Interesting, I'll definitely have to keep that in mind, only recently started incorporating it so there's been some trial and error. Definitely want to do the thing that'll make it easier to translate though

Thank you both

[uncut viper]

luckily it is ezpz and i believe in you

[rancid temple]

Yay working, now I just have to actually finish this mod lmao

And the spatial sound one... and now that 1.6.10 is out I can finish the crane game

[old edge]

What happened to wizardHousetiles.png was it never used in the game?

[rain basalt]

its there

[rain basalt]

did you move it by accident?

[brittle pasture]

try re-unpacking the files. wizardHousetiles was one of the victims of the 1.6.9 unused tilesheets purge

[rain basalt]

also make sure your using the newest xnb unpacker

[uncut viper]

i think selph was talking to you celestia

[lucid iron]

@calm nebula can I ask about linux modding + "as soon as you have a mod that isn't compiled for that exact version of stardew and smapi" more here?

[brittle pasture]

ah yeah, should clarify

[rain basalt]

ah lol i still using beta unpack ^..~ also that pic above is the actual png file so you can download it dreamy

[old edge]

That's the only issue I had loading my mod that's strange.

[calm nebula]

Yeah. If a method goes missing. On Windows you get a missing method exception

On Linux it just crashes like that

[lucid iron]

It's just that in my experience I can install C# mods built for 1.6.4, does that just mean it simply didn't touch a missing method

[uncut viper]

well, i wouldnt download it if you're relying on other people having that tilesheet already in their game, because they wont

[brittle pasture]

(though don't rely on it, given that it's gone and all)

[uncut viper]

it was removed

[rain basalt]

but you can use a load with Cp to add it back lol

[calm nebula]

Yeah, but I've seen that be fragile too

Kept popping up during the alpha. If I didn't recompile my own mods I saw it a lot

[old edge]

Hmm so it was never used i see i think I only used the table sprite

[lucid iron]

Mystery

I think I gotten it only once during beta, for cjb cheat

[rain basalt]

if im using small sections of multiple tile sheets i usualy just combine them into a single sheet

and load it in as custom

[lucid iron]

Usually not for my own mod but that's cus I just build all of them b4 doing any work

[next plaza]

That sounds like a good way to be incompatible with recolors 😛

[uncut viper]

i was gonna say the same lol

[calm nebula]

Alpha was literally a year long lol

[uncut viper]

using the original sheet is better if you can

[calm nebula]

Hi casey!

[rain basalt]

well not if your making a custom map and you dont want the assets changed

[calm nebula]

God I'm tired

[next plaza]

Hi

[uncut viper]

someone can still change your assets if they target them specifically anyway

[lucid iron]

It doesn't sound like anything that can be fixed on mod side alas

[next plaza]

You can't target them via CP if you use {{InternalAssetKey}} (or for map tilesheets, don't explicitly load them)

[rain basalt]

true if they wanted to do a targeted recolor

[next plaza]

Well... I guess you can with SpaceCore's texture override system

You don't have to use it for animations

[rain basalt]

or just dump them into the mod as a replacer

[uncut viper]

hm. would it work for internalssetkeys if you set your target with the "SMAPI/ModId/" prefix like internal asset key does?

[lucid iron]

You would have to have magical knowledge of the id right

[tiny zealot]

i'm pretty sure you can still target internalassetkey assets if you know how smapi/CP constructs them, yeah

[old edge]

Just moving some tiles over to my already loaded up one.

[next plaza]

With SpaceCore's texture override system yes. But I've tried with CP directly before and I couldn't

Unless something has changed

[tiny zealot]

(i haven't tried it. i'm just reporting hearsay)

[uncut viper]

hmm. but you can still use em in Texture fields and such

[calm nebula]

Yeah...hmmmm

I'm surprised it doesn't work tbj

[rancid temple]

Just make your own version of someone's map with your own tilesheets and load your map over theirs

[old edge]

But would anyone be able to help with my ambient light method it keeps going dark not smooth like regular ambient outdoor location

[uncut viper]

it wasnt something i tried with my internalassetkey token stealer

[brittle pasture]

IIRC you can reference it, you just can't use CP to patch/edit it

[calm nebula]

Unless smapi deliberate block

[next plaza]

Yeah, because it works for loading (from the game) but not for editing (I think)

[next plaza]

I think it does but I'll look around to confirm

[calm nebula]

Easy enough to do a test, says the person not doing the tesr

I volunteer button

[rancid temple]

It's easy, you just get someone else to do it

[uncut viper]

grumbles

[lucid iron]

Thanks button

[next plaza]

Yeah it doesn't work

SMAPI blocks it

https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/src/SMAPI/Framework/ContentManagers/GameContentManager.cs#L108

A managed asset being any that start with "SMAPI"

[uncut viper]

i dont understand smapi code enough to understand what part of this is doing the blocking or when this is called

[next plaza]

You can see the early return before the asset load/edits apply in that link

So, this is called when you load a specific asset with a specific type

What the line I linked does is it checks if it's a "managed asset" (basically one that is inside a mod or content pack), and if so, loads it and returns it immediately without apply loads/edits

Loads/edits apply later on otherwise

[uncut viper]

so i should patch smapi is what you're saying

[next plaza]

I guess you could

[old edge]

I made the table a nice red color

[next plaza]

@ivory plume On a scale of 1-10, how much would you hate Button for patching smapi to allow CP (and other mod editors) to edit mod assets

[uncut viper]

oh god casey why

[next plaza]

:)

[tender bloom]

I'm sure pathos would notice eventually

[uncut viper]

after i said id send you cat pictures

[tender bloom]

you're just getting it over with!

[teal bridge]

I sense an arms race.

[rain basalt]

hmm i usualy load into game files and let CP patch the loaded files with no problems

[next plaza]

You never actually sent them smh

Yeah, that's different

[lucid iron]

Button what if you just send in a PR like a normal person

[uncut viper]

theres no justification for this functionality

[next plaza]

Problem: I'm pretty sure Pathos specifically doesn't want that

I think I've asked before

[brittle pasture]

we're talking about using InternalAssetKey, which doesn't allow editing

[lucid iron]

Aw ok crimes it is then

[rain basalt]

yah i know your talking about editing other mod files directly

[lucid iron]

Tbh a solid alternative would be less implicit internal assets in general

[lucid iron]

There was person trying to recolor downtown zuzu and couldn't because it had many internal tilesheets

[ivory plume]

I'd rate that "That's a really bad idea that will make the modding ecosystem way more fragile and hard to troubleshoot but SMAPI isn't going to stop you from following your dreams if you really really want to do that" on 10.

[rancid temple]

InternalAssetKey but it loads them into the pipeline anyways

[uncut viper]

promise fulfilled

oh no that was two "really"s im screwed

[next plaza]

I mean, sometimes it legitimately makes since. It'd make more sense to ask the mod author to change it to not be internal

[tender bloom]

that's one of the longest numbers I've ever seen

[next plaza]

CAT

But it's too late, I already pinged pathos

[uncut viper]

this is for future prevention

[rain basalt]

yah from what i know if you edit other files directly you could end up with load order issues and file changes not working because of that or causeing a mod to fail cause your edit breaks that mod

[teal bridge]

Try using float.Parse

[rancid temple]

What's that like 20 characters?

[teal bridge]

(I hear that SMAPI has special logic for that particular number)

[next plaza]

You tried to apply it retroactively to something else, which consumes that usage. Still doesn't work, but doesn't count for the future either

[uncut viper]

i will make sure to preface any terrible crime ideas i have in the future with a cat picture

[next plaza]

That's definitely more than 20

201

[teal bridge]

It's closer to 20 words, not characters.

[next plaza]

Appreciated... though it'll be a coin flip whether that will actually prevent consequences, or just make the crime cuter

[rancid temple]

That's the same logic when a cat commits a crime so I think that's fair

[uncut viper]

at the very least it will give me an excuse to show off my cat, which i am always looking for excuses to do because i have it on record that she is the cutest of them all

unless that excuse is "talk somewhere other than the modding channels" in which case no

[tender bloom]

cat!!!!

[next plaza]

I mean, there's also #programmers-off-topic , which isn't modding

[rancid temple]

Off topic channels give me anxiety

[uncut viper]

every time i look in there i feel more stupid than before

[tender bloom]

they're just nerds

[lucid iron]

u can always post cat in #programmers-off-topic

everyone knows steady supply of cat required for coding

[teal bridge]

What is this "they" you speak of?

[tender bloom]

shhhh

i too am nerd

but button doesn't have to know

[calm nebula]

I mean all of harmony was on my shit list for the same reason for a while

[teal bridge]

And with good cause, no?

[uncut viper]

your name has MathPerson in it

[tender bloom]

I'm not very good at disguises

[calm nebula]

fellow nerd!

[calm nebula]

I have learned to do debugging with zero non-atra mods installed

and also to do debugging away from modders in general

that's a nicer life

[next plaza]

How badly would you rate "using reflection to access another mod's helpers and assets" on that

[calm nebula]

hilariously enough, I'm retired so I don't have to care anymore!

[teal bridge]

I rate that 100% wonderful and great, personally.

[uncut viper]

[next plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/is-he-though-thor-gif-11411653

points at aquarium

[tender bloom]

retired except for the exceptions

[uncut viper]

yeah im pretty sure with aquarium work atra has done modding more than me these last few weeks

[lucid iron]

atra is the least retired retired modder i know

[next plaza]

I mean, everything fits under "itself except for exceptions"

[uncut viper]

except for the exceptions

[brittle pasture]

Nah, Aquarium just did that to itself one day

[calm nebula]

throw new AtraIsAnnoyedException();

[brittle pasture]

There is truly magic left in this worls

[rancid temple]

atra tripped and accidentally a mod

[next plaza]

catch (AtraIsAnnoyedException) {}

[uncut viper]

continue;

[brittle pasture]

what's an "exception", can we eat that

• signed, crab person

[next plaza]

How dare you imply rust in my C# modding channel

[teal bridge]

It's like a Result, except worse.

[rancid temple]

There's content packs here too

[tiny zealot]

speaking of reflection crimes, i should probably check whether lacey's fashion sense monstrosity is still working.
but, i don't feel like it right after updating that mod

[uncut viper]

speaking of committing crimes in other peoples mods, is it also a bad idea that i thought about the possibility of just letting CP mods create global CP tokens like C# mods can via CMCT

so that other mods would not actually need CMCT to access their shit

[next plaza]

Wouldn't it be better

[lucid iron]

so like global dynamic tokens?

[next plaza]

Just to PR CP for allowing packs to expose DTs

[uncut viper]

making PRs for advanced functionality to content patcher is for people who are smarter than me to do

[next plaza]

Why do so many people want to hack together new external solutions for things when they can just PR

I mean, I guess CP is a bit complex

[uncut viper]

i do these crimes in my own mods because i dont have to worry about things like "best practices" or "quality code"

[rancid temple]

PR scary

[teal bridge]

To be fair, hacking a solution is a lot faster than getting a Pathos PR approved...

[tiny zealot]

you don't need permission to hack together an external thing like you do with a PR

[next plaza]

I mean, I guess, but I'm pretty sure Pathos is open to that as a feature

[calm nebula]

Pathos is not that scary

[brittle pasture]

tbh it's not so bad an idea, like mail flags but better because you don't have to unregister it every day end

[lucid iron]

hm maybe like

[calm nebula]

he's taken my PRs before, even the ones with math mistakes in it

[next plaza]

And how do you plan on unregistering tokens that disappear from the asset

[uncut viper]

i genuinely just dont know how to implement it in CP itself

[lucid iron]

GlobalDynamicTokens

[teal bridge]

It's not scariness, it's workload.

[lucid iron]

new field so that it takes intention to use

as for impl i dont think it'd be very different than the C# token api it already has

[calm nebula]

what about

{
    "Name": "MyFancyDynamicToken".
    "Value": "Perfection",
    "IsGlobal": true
}

[teal bridge]

Good idea.

[rancid temple]

It's a start

[uncut viper]

i couldnt even figure out the dynamic tokens thing for CMCT fully let alone making sure global tokens worked properly in CP itself along with everything else it does

[next plaza]

I was thinking of this, but the problem is When goes in the same block, which is kinda confusing - can you conditionally global a token?

[uncut viper]

i thought thatd be in the dynamictokens field

[next plaza]

You could argue it's only valid for the base case

[uncut viper]

oh wait

i forgot you can When dynamic tokens

[devout oriole]

does anyone know if it would be possible for me to add east scarp to an existing save?

[calm nebula]

you have a point

[next plaza]

But that sounds like something Pathos wouldn't go for

[calm nebula]

yes

[devout oriole]

3 years in and i wanna use east scarp now lmao

[calm nebula]

futher questions go to #1272025932932055121 or #modded-stardew pls

[old edge]

Mod has now loaded in 1.6.10 hooray

[devout oriole]

mainly bcuz im almost done with perfection and want more to do lollll

[uncut viper]

CP already has to go down the list for dynamic tokens anyway right? couldnt the When just control its value the same way

[calm nebula]

okay, so the bad idea is to make IsGlobal only valid for nonconditional tokens, which I don't like

[uncut viper]

if the IsGlobal is on the first one

[devout oriole]

thanks, mbad for posting in the wrong channel

[next plaza]

In this case it's not a problem of implementation, it's about how it interacts with everything else

[lucid iron]

i really think it should just be separate field

[next plaza]

Like, what happens if another mod is using a token that is suddenly no longer valid

[lucid iron]

then u can be like "all global tokens go first no exceptions"

[next plaza]

I guess it could act like tokens that aren't ready

[uncut viper]

wouldnt it not be "not valid" though and instead just return the value of the first dynamic token that matches the same way dynamic tokens currently work when their conditions change?

[calm nebula]

you could still do

{
    "Name": "MyAssholeToken",
    "Value": "Blah",
    "IsGlobal": true,
},
{
   "Name": "MyAssholeToken",
   "Value": "merp",
    "IsGlobal": false
}

which makes sense but not really

or IsGlobal could be infectious

like gpl

[lucid iron]

thats just reinventing python shadowing

[calm nebula]

but that sounds confusing af

[teal bridge]

You'll need an !important to compensate.

[calm nebula]

oh my goddddddddd

is this "develop the worst programming language" time?

[teal bridge]

I sure hope so!

[calm nebula]

I want to actually think more about the mathematical concept of sets, ficustents

[uncut viper]

can you even have a dynamic token that only ever exists with a When condition attached? i kinda just thought you always needed a base case

but i dont know why i thought that bc its not like i read it somewhere

even still if you can im not sure why thatd break with globalness any more than if you used that token in your own content.json

[calm nebula]

yes, if you hated yourself

[lucid iron]

would you follow the same format as C# registered tokens

need {{johndoe.ModId/GlobalToken}} instead of just {{GlobalToken}}

[uncut viper]

do you mean for an official implementation or my hacky external workaround

[calm nebula]

yes

[uncut viper]

that makes most sense to me

[tiny zealot]

this but also no need to declare them as global. just global every token for funsies

[uncut viper]

(i thought you meant the registering part)

[next plaza]

Pathos definitely won't go for that 😂

But if it's a separate mod, well...

[lucid iron]

well u just use button crimes for that ichor

i dont remember the tokens mod name very well because it doesnt have a vowel

unlike BETAS

[uncut viper]

do you mean CMCT or another one

[lucid iron]

yea CMCT

[next plaza]

Ah yes, everyone loves all the acronyms in the modding community

[tiny zealot]

petition to rename CMCT -> Kumquat

[lucid iron]

wow yes

[royal stump]

(my brain has decided that reads "cement")

[uncut viper]

would you prefer to type out Cross Mod Compatibility Tokens every time

its not like i named it for acronyms sake!!

at least i put my acronym in my mod page title so people can actually find it

[uncut viper]

this is just going to lead to naming things like npm packages

or minecraft performance mods

[brittle pasture]

Let's embrace that tradition
What the fuck is a Firefox

[next plaza]

I mean, I'm literally planning on naming a theoretical HC core mod I do "Catnip"

[uncut viper]

if its a core mod that doesnt exactly need to be generally found i think its fine and fun

[lucid iron]

casey already planning ahead

[next plaza]

I mean, it's no more clear than SpaceCore

[uncut viper]

as long as you dont expect people to find it if theyre just looking for mods that do what they want

to be fair, i wouldnt know that spacecore did half the things ive thought about if it werent for people just telling me in here either

[lucid iron]

i keep googling spacecore and getting hits for the spacecore aesthetic

[next plaza]

SpaceCore wasn't originally a content pack framework, so that's part of it

I'm not sure Content Patcher existed back then

[uncut viper]

yeah the name kind of implies its origins 😛

[next plaza]

What are you talking about? I don't know anybody with space in the name

[uncut viper]

the only thing i care about with mod names is being able to find a mod that does what i need if i need to

[next plaza]

And yeah, CP was early 2018, SpaceCore was mid 2017

[uncut viper]

if im not supposed to just randomly stumble upon it for a specific purpose then its w/e

[next plaza]

You know what would help? Nexus improving search. <insert laugh track>

[tiny zealot]

i don't ever anticipate making a -Core mod (that one doesn't count), but it's a bit of a shame because the short version of my handle ends with core

[uncut viper]

and core mods arent usually meant to be randomly stumbled upon for a user to go "oh i want this!"

[calm nebula]

got it.

naming literally everything -core now

[brittle pasture]

on the other hand iCore sounds like an Apple product

[uncut viper]

if nexus could just search in the mini description they make us write above the normal description thatd be great

[royal stump]

farm type core, now everyone will know what it does & stop reporting map errors to me

[lucid iron]

what if you suffix all your mods with tower instead

[next plaza]

Hi, I want to add a custom farm type with FTC, can you help me?

(Though that can be said for FTM too)

[calm nebula]

we now have "fix-all-my-stupid-silkscreen-mistakes-core"

[tiny zealot]

if i did it (which i won't), EyeTowerCore would be the most likely name, what was i thinking

[royal stump]

yeah, lateral move honestly

[next plaza]

I'd prefer the actual description too (so I could list all the spacecore features), but that would be an improvement too

[uncut viper]

if we're coming up with fun cool names for our core mods i call dibs on Spiderweb

[odd iris]

Does anyone know if the ModManifestBuilder Nuget package can work with mod build package's new <ContentPacks> functionality to build manifests in content packs?

[uncut viper]

i wouldnt trust the search to not just show me every mod that has the word "the" or "a" in the description making it all useless

[lucid iron]

i dont think it can, but u could just make a csproj for your CP mod

[next plaza]

That would be a problem with the mini description too. Ultimately you'd need to do keyword oriented searches or have Nexus exclude common words

[odd iris]

these would be bundled content pack mods though, I don't know if that would matter

[uncut viper]

true, but at leasty with the mini description theres less space to include all the common dictionary words

[lucid iron]

csproj is just description of build targets (things to put into release)

[next plaza]

Try me

[lucid iron]

so ig it'd be additional targets? unsure

[next plaza]

<inserts all common words and no mod description>

[lucid iron]

either way its not a feature provided by ModManifestBuilder or ModBuildConfig

[tiny zealot]

can't wait for nexus mod listings to become keyword spam like amazon products

[brittle pasture]

best nice pretty witchcore cottagecore gardencore faecore magiccore texture

[calm nebula]

I'm enjoying my Aeelike Circular Knitting Needles Set, Stainless Steel Knitting Needles Round Knitting Needle Set (100 cm), 9 Pack Long Knitting Needles for Blankets Scarves Sweaters, Great for Beginners

[next plaza]

Awesome name for that secret up and coming knitting mod of yours

[lucid iron]

is there char limit on mod unique id

[next plaza]

Not that I'm aware of

Have fun typing patch reload for that though (if it were a CP mod)

[uncut viper]

casey when are you gonna make a PR to CP to add fuzzy search to patch reload