#archived-update-spoilers

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hushed hare
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if you want to show it off in a tank, don't cook it

if you want to sell it, go for it
maybe wait for angler and artisan for maximum profit if you don't have them

solemn haven
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That's the most badass looking sword

neat sail
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Keep it for fun imo, you can catch multiple "son of the crimsonfish" and other legendary extended family fish during the QI quest, and you can still keep the normal legendary ones
(Legend II only sells for like.. 5k less than legend iirc the same price, and you can catch multiple of it)

woven tusk
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I thought the Extended Family had identical stats including sell price

neat sail
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They could I don't fully remember tbh

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Yep you're right they do

hushed glade
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Oh boy

woven tusk
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Green rain time, huh

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Does the forecast text change on subsequent years or does the weather man still not know?

hushed hare
woven tusk
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Huh?

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They just stop telling you the green rain is coming after the first time???

hushed hare
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it's like the clouds are interfering with the TV signal, it goes all green

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you can easily figure it out if you check the TV daily

woven tusk
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So you lose two days of TV access (fortune teller and Queen of Sauce) on years after the first?????

woven tusk
neat sail
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On the day before he still doesn't know yeah

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He's like "oh there's something weird going on here wooaoaoaoa"

woven tusk
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Nobody informed him what it means in the year since it first happened, huh SDVpuffersweats

hushed hare
neat sail
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Yeah I started into 1.6 in y2 so I got it and he was like "yeah something weird is here"

gray oriole
sharp gazelle
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I put powdermelon in a seed maker and it made ancient fruit seeds?? Is this a glitch or jst rly rare??

hushed hare
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like 0.5%

sharp gazelle
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oh ok

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thank you

brittle peak
grizzled summit
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I put a swashbuckler hat on my orange cat. His name is now puss. I just need to be able to put boots on him now. excitebun

echo pulsar
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SO CUTE

hushed hare
open geyser
grizzled summit
slow ledge
sterile thistle
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woah, sequence to call in 100 Eagle 500kg Bomb

cloud reef
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So has anyone found out what the button at the skull cavern entrance does?

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ah ngl this is quite hidden on the wiki lol

fossil magnet
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where do y'all put your kegs n stuff?

hushed glade
neat sail
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I'm mad you can't place a tent on desert fest

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At least it wouldn't let me

gilded herald
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whats that?

wet scroll
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.

hushed glade
timber kite
hushed glade
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Tap a mystic tree

gilded herald
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okayy right thanks

solemn haven
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just had my very first green rain, have absolutely no idea wtf this was about lmao got a little bit of moss tho

hushed glade
solemn haven
hushed glade
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and fiber

solemn haven
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and fiber of course

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got weird tree seeds too what are those about?

gilded herald
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i need that moss T-T

solemn haven
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i have another stack in my chest lmao

hushed glade
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You're going to need a lot later

solemn haven
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i unfortunately didnt manage to see all the npc dialogue

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i didnt get to marnie's ranch in time

hushed glade
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Actually no you only need like 333

gilded herald
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omg i need the foraging mastery

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it is my last one

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and the mystic seed and treasure totem are my lasts to craft

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and mystic sirup to sell

kindred yoke
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Hey guys, asking here but I'm not really sure it's a 1.6 thing... I have seen in a couple of videos glimpses of a scene, in the mines I guess, where ||a giant skull serpent emerges from the lava||, can someone tell me what that is related too? Never saw anything about it and failed my google attempts

gilded herald
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like i have the achivements for the Full Shipment and crafting but i did it all before the update..

vital wing
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when is 1.6 on switch being released

torpid zephyr
vital wing
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k

kindred yoke
strange pulsar
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Hi!! I'm not sure if it was in the patch notes, I may have missed it, but I accidentally put ginger into a keg???? Does anyone know what it'll make?

hushed hare
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it's not a 1.6 feature

strange pulsar
hushed hare
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what is a 1.6 keg feature is ||rice into vinegar||

strange pulsar
hushed hare
strange pulsar
brittle peak
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how do i make corn oil?

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do i mill it?

chilly bloom
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There is no specific corn oil

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You can place sunflower seeds, corn, into an oil maker

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Or just buy the oil from Pierre’s, it’s cheap

brittle peak
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thanks

hushed glade
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Oh my god

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I knew he force killed the player but like that?

woven tusk
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I thought the "thrown off the summit" interpretation was just our running gag

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I believe the scene simply cuts to black at the moment Qi rushes you, leaving it ambiguous how he kills you. So we just interpret it that you get punched off the summit because it's funnier that way

brittle peak
chilly bloom
gray oriole
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Its a wiki after all, anyone can edit

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Its just that most ppl cant be bothered to make an account

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Im still too lazy to correct the speed or forge pages myself

drowsy steeple
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is partially editing the wiki allowed?

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like uploading the new shipping screen but without descriptions and links

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I suppose that's why it hasn't been updated for quite a while

neat sail
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I think without a description no, unless you mark it as a stub?

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You could ask on the forums on there if you can figure out how to use them

shrewd plume
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Are you referring to the Shipping collection?

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It's not updated because the rules require you to change the template in all languages and nobody has been willing to do that so far.

drowsy steeple
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see that's what I mean

neat sail
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I tried updating the wiki in all languages when I was updating the Salmon section (minor update), but it wouldn't let me edit in other languages for some reason

shrewd plume
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That's because you have to log into each wiki separately

neat sail
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You're kidding ugh

strong sleet
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oh jeez how does anything get updated if you have to do it in all languages

shrewd plume
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Only templates need to be

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And that's so things don't break when translating, apparently

neat sail
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Yeah I can imagine why nobody wants to update the wiki

strong sleet
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interesting

fiery spindle
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Is this a glitch? I can't move the items behind my inventory when i'm trying to reorganise my museum. Idk how to reach them

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Because now i have this orange mineral in the most random spot.

woven tusk
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Movement keys to pan the camera

fiery spindle
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That doesn't do anything unfortunately, i've tried the wasd buttons and the arrow keys.

woven tusk
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Is your camera's zoom level so far out that there is no room to move?

fiery spindle
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Ah yea i have max zoom out. Would that be it then?

woven tusk
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Maybe set it a bit closer for a few minutes so you have room to move, see if that works

fiery spindle
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It worked, thank you. Now my rainbow minerals are complete :)

woven tusk
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Fancy!

fiery spindle
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Thanks haha :) can't take credit though, saw it on pinterest

low drift
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I reached mastery in mining, now I just have to to get fishing to level 10 in order to gain access to those statues.

fiery spindle
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Good luck!

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How did u get combat before mining though hahaa

drowsy steeple
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how do you get mining mastery before fishing level 10? mods?

violet creek
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just not fishing lol

drowsy steeple
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yea but mining mastery requires lv 10 fishing?

violet creek
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...what?

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no it doesnt

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or wait-

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mastery yes, maxing the skill no which i think is what they mean lol

drowsy steeple
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oh lol

hoary pivot
sacred river
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I'm pretty sure they just meant they got Level 10 mining

grave violet
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can't wait for 1.7

molten turret
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huh

grave violet
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do you think that will be before or after HC

molten turret
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after

sacred river
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1.6 got released just 2 months ago chill

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Let the man have a break

buoyant raven
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And 1.6 was supposed to be mainly for modders

grave violet
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is it just me or these updates get increasingly more 'wrapping up' like?

sacred river
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Yea that's what patch updates are

grave violet
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No- as in 1.5 added perfection, and 1.6 added mastery. It kind of makes me think that CA might stop making updates entirely

hushed hare
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love how the Dwarf shows up during the Fair

and Krobus on Halloween

grave violet
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I mean obviously the update is amazingly good; just it feels like CA's trying to put an end to it

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That's just my hot take though

finite horizon
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1.6 took two full years

grave violet
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And what's that supposed to mean?

rich lake
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I don't think it would be very healthy to keep updating Stardew over and over and over and over forever imo

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I'd rather him branch out into other games like he's doing with hc

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Stardew is already so huge and with a massive modding community

low drift
low drift
sacred river
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CA gonna pull a Relogic and refuse to stop updating his game

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"Final final final update"

buoyant raven
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I wouldn't be disappointed if 1.6 was the final update.

finite horizon
swift bay
chilly bloom
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If 1.7 does happen it’ll be after HC and probably a couple updates for that

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Don’t expect it in the next 5 years imo

olive patio
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did CA worked on HC and SDV 1.6 in the span of 1.5 and 1.6

chilly bloom
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Not really

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More back burner if at all during 1.5 and he said himself he was spending all his time on 1.6

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Before doing anything on hc

fossil magnet
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how does the "powerful" enchant change your axe?
like what does it do effectively

woven tusk
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Knock over a tree in a single hit

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Chop hardwood stump in a single hit too, probably

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Shaving is probably more useful

brittle peak
hushed hare
buoyant raven
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New layout

fossil magnet
hushed hare
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how long does the prismatic butterfly wait? does it disappear when night comes around?

woven tusk
# brittle peak dang thats really nice

Eh. Iridium Axe without powerful, needs three hits for a regular tree (two for the tree and one for its stump)
Iridium Axe with powerful, should still need two (tree and stump)

fossil magnet
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is it because I put the enchantment on it while it was gold?
it says it still has the enchant

woven tusk
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I have no idea what happens if you enchant a tool that isn't iridium

hushed hare
fossil magnet
hushed hare
fossil magnet
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I then upgraded it

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and now it's iridium with the enchantment but doesn't seem to have the effect of it

chilly bloom
chilly bloom
woven tusk
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That surprises me. I thought hardwood stumps required the same number of hits to shatter, as to knock down a tree.

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This also tells me that the code to determine "tree damage" from an axe is even more cursed than I thought

stray hound
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Are there any fish that are only catchable || during green rain || ?

woven tusk
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None. Don't worry

hoary pivot
tidal forum
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In the new update so villagers still break chests if they walk through them

woven tusk
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I thought they shove filled chests aside

tidal forum
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Oh maybe mine bugged 💀💀💀

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So silly

timber kite
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after the spoiler time ends petition to make teh cow decal an emoji

mental sail
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Turtles go outside on rainy days! That took a long time to notice

woven tusk
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Cow decal is already a sticker here

sacred river
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NPCs not accepting gifts during Y1 green rain made me realize just how terrified they are and that they don't even want you to cheer them up

uncut merlin
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I dont blame them

agile ore
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Has anyone caught glacier fish or legend with challenge bait? I tried it today and it is so rough, Im wondering if folks have tips

chilly bloom
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Only the same if you consider the stump

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I assume it’s due to rounding

lusty pecan
woven tusk
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Hm? I have a gold axe right now and it's 4 (tree, leaving stump) and 4 (hardwood stump)

lusty pecan
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fishing buffs and cork bobbers as well

woven tusk
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When I had a steel axe, I think it was 6 (tree, once again leaving stump) vs 6 (hardwood stump)

chilly bloom
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5 hits for iron axe

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It’s like 7 5 4 3

woven tusk
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Then it's still odd that trees go 10 8 6 4 2 and Powerful doesn't bring it to 1...

chilly bloom
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So it would be smt like 10 7 5 4 3 if it could

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Then powerful makes it 2 which makes sense

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As it’s diminishing for stumps

timber kite
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omg cow

chilly bloom
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For trees Idrk

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I agree it’s odd

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And it would make sense gameplay wise too

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Powerful iridium axe is one of the least useful enchants

woven tusk
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Trees are 10 minus 2 for each upgrade level, with the stump needing half as many hits as the tree. It's... weird that upgrading beyond Iridium doesn't do it

chilly bloom
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Especially since powerful on axe gives 2 “levels”

woven tusk
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Yeah exactly

chilly bloom
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Vs the pickaxes 1

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an exemption perhaps?

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For trees specifically

woven tusk
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Can the pick at least oneshot more stones/ore nodes with that one level

chilly bloom
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Only volcano rocks

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Which go from 2 to 1

woven tusk
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Swift it is, then...

chilly bloom
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Iridium nodes and radio nodes go down 1 too

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Only useful for volcano runs

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As 100% faster pick vs 33%

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Taking 2 hits to 1 is doubling the speed

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100% faster

woven tusk
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Yeah, I get that much

chilly bloom
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Swift is 33% faster hit speed or smt

woven tusk
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I'm trying to remember how many hits it takes to break iridium (and I never knew how many to break radioactive as I haven't encountered it yet)

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Because, well, I usually bomb iridium instead SDVpufferchicksweatsip

lusty pecan
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i just lost 3 fish smokers because of sebastian disintegrate

woven tusk
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Thank you

chilly bloom
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So same speed for Swift and powerful

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Basically

woven tusk
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Suppose so. Hm.

chilly bloom
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And less for radio nodes which go 5 to 4 iirc

sharp gazelle
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he protects me from joja

agile ore
woven tusk
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I think you got it backwards

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One triple-catch with Challenge Bait, is considered only one fish for the Blessing of Waters' three catch limit

agile ore
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Ohhhhhh that makes way more sense, i guess I should have tried it before assuming it wouldnt work

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Well unfortunately cant go back and triple catch the easy ones I already caught an angler and the crimson fish without challenge bait but once I caught the mutant carp with challenge bait I was sorta like maybe you can catch em all

molten turret
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if you use challenge bait on a legend does it say "fish caught: 1" or "fish caught: 3"

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legendary fish in general*

agile ore
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It says fish caught 3

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Or rather "Number Caught: 3" to quote it exactly

molten turret
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ah

sterile prairie
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I had bookseller on Y1 Summer 25

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And missed it because I thought it was impossible based on wiki

agile ore
# molten turret ah

The main reason I was thinking about catching multiple is that I heard you can make bait and then catch them again but I think youd have to be pretty lucky to get enough bait to get a continuous cycle going

woven tusk
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Targeted Bait doesn't override catch restrictions

sterile prairie
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Like I didn't get the notif because I just loaded the save on the day

woven tusk
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Catfish Bait does nothing on a sunny day
Legend Bait does nothing once you've already caught one

ebon hinge
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When your spouse says they fixed a few fences, do they actually repair fences? Or its just basic dialog?

agile ore
woven tusk
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For the novelty of it, I guess?

agile ore
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I guess is it just to help other people catch it in multiplayer?

agile ore
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Thanks for preventing me from wasting my legendary fish!

tough remnant
molten turret
lilac olive
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cow

molten turret
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it literally says summer 25 right there

neat mulch
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💀

molten turret
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summer 25 right there

neat mulch
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You can always check your calendar as well

molten turret
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yeah

bleak current
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I just changed it to summer 25 because they mentioned the error

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(it previously said 26)

neat mulch
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Oof, still, the best way to really know would just be to check the calendar 😅
That way, you wouldn't need to keep track of all the "what if"/"maybe" days

timber kite
bleak current
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I have no idea what that Q2 is supposed to mean. I'll check it out

mental sail
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quantity 2, unknown to the person who wrote it probably, with tillable tiles being q1

jovial dune
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Yes, I am real man

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You guys want to go skateboards?

sterile prairie
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Nvm I see it was fixed lol

sterile prairie
neat mulch
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Nah nah, it happens SDVpufferpat

sterile thistle
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another sequence to call in a 500kg Eagle

green lagoon
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Where can I find the joja parrot

chilly bloom
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Left of volcano

green lagoon
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Ty

lusty pecan
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big money today :3

molten turret
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awesome

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how many legend iis did you catch

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16?

agile ore
agile ore
sterile thistle
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i hate the wizard quest so much, always kill a hyper-specific enemy for a super rare loot

feral abyss
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gotta go fast

latent rune
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bro got somewhere to be 😭

half cove
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Any word on when the update is gonna go out on Switch?

molten turret
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no not really

chilly bloom
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Just wait and see

sacred night
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Where can you find the masterroom? You know like the room if ypu have every skill 10

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You*

mellow atlas
gray oriole
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What even is hitspeed

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Is it the mining animation or the delay between swings or both

chilly bloom
glass ridge
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where is the Spirit Event take place? im in town at 10 PM and theres nothing happening

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bruh

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its at 27th?

hushed glade
glass ridge
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how much heater do i need for my four-legged babies?

latent rune
glass ridge
lilac olive
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make bebe

glass ridge
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ok so what happend if i plant oak, pine, maple seeds at the 28th of fall?

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and what happend to my grass that i havent cut in winter?

compact aurora
glass ridge
mellow atlas
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bad enough i have to touch grass in the spring, summer, and fall

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now I have to touch grass in the winter too?

ebon hinge
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When you do the "Skull Cavern Invasion" challenge, does he get mad if you use staircases?

mellow atlas
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no

compact aurora
gray oriole
mellow atlas
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however you do it, you get the qi gems and there is no further discussion

compact aurora
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He doesn’t get mad but he does tsk at you a little.

glass ridge
ebon hinge
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So kinda like the first 100 level quest?

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I need praise 😔

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But like its impossible there just aren't enough hours. Lol

mellow atlas
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qi gives plenty of praise already

gray oriole
mellow atlas
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oh, and it is entirely possible to get to level 100 using <10 staircases

gray oriole
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Buff your luck

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Pause buffer ladders

mellow atlas
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I've done it so many times

gray oriole
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Maximize dropshafts

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Worst case scenario, animation cancel

ebon hinge
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Okay. I tend to like the bombs don't hurt one. But ill try the more ladders one

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And a lucky lunch

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I do have a luck ring at least

gray oriole
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Do u have the dwarven explosives manual

ebon hinge
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I go to skull cavern a lot casually for resources, and at a casual pace I get to maybe 40.

gray oriole
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And bring a bunch of cheese or something and eat thru the explosion

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Also prioritize going deeper at all costs

ebon hinge
gray oriole
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Its not even worth the effort of taking extra time to pick up resources not on the way

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Resource amount goes up with depth so u end up losing more resources if u waste time on them in higher floors

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If u spent 5s taking a detour to mine a rock early on, that’s 5s u could’ve dropped a bunch of bombs to mine multiple rocks later

mellow atlas
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qi gets annoyed with you if you use too many staircases but staircasing is the optimal way to mine so qi can kindly kick rocks

ebon hinge
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True. Okay well I have 5 days to do it. So I won't rely on staircases until like....the last day. Lol. Otherwise probably only for infested floors

gray oriole
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Do u know how to pause buffer

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Infested on stairs and spiral is good

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Those 2 suck

ebon hinge
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Oh yeah i haye the spiral

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No how do you pause?

gray oriole
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So u know how if u open the inventory it pauses the game

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In singleplayer

ebon hinge
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Yea

gray oriole
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Whenever u go down a ladder, u cant move for 1 second while the floor loads

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But the clock keeps running for some reason

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So if u open the inventory the clock will pause while the game is loading without wasting daylight

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So everytime u go down a ladder u waste a second or two irl

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So u go down 30 ladders and u just wasted like a whole minute on loading animations if u dont pause the game

ebon hinge
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Oh interesting. I dunno if I even have the foresight to keep up with that but I'll try.

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Lol I didn't realize I was nearly out of sea Cucumber. I can only make 1 lucky lunch SDVpufferwaaah rip

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Guess pumpkin soup will do

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Also thank you everyone

gray oriole
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Spicy eel is cool

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And easy to get

mellow atlas
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magic rock candy is the best if you have it. if you break enough iridium you can usually get 3 shards and buy another from the desert trader

ebon hinge
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Yeah. I like those because of the increased speed. But maybe I won't need the speed

gray oriole
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If you’re not doing ladder spam speed is always good

ebon hinge
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Ooh true yeah I have some i forgot about those.

gray oriole
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U have to do a walk of walking from rock to rock

mellow atlas
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skull cavern takes practice and good rng on the best of days

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so don't beat yourself up if you don't do as well as you hoped

ebon hinge
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Yea. It feel like there's often ladders near the "entrance" though. Except for some level. Generally i love the speed though

mellow atlas
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if you're on pc the slingshot with explosive ammo is pretty helpful because it doesn't have a fuse

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i havent tried other platforms but i guess the slingshot is a nightmare to aim on those

gray oriole
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Explosive ammo kinda a pain in the ass now

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Less so with mining mastery

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But man r earlygame runs so much more annoying

maiden fiber
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How did it get nerfed again?

ebon hinge
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I feel pretty well equipped. But I'm such a casual player, the aspect of a timely challenge like this feels more daunting. The first time I got to 100, definitely used a lot of staircase. But thay was a while ago.

mellow atlas
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Yeah slingshot is not felling as good as it was anymore

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i wasnt playing when the slingshot was op so i guess i will never understand that melancholy

ebon hinge
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I think I've literally only used the slingshot to get a gold walnut from a tree. SDVpufferaww

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So like 1 time. Lol

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I played with it a little. Just the sword is good enkugh

maiden fiber
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That’s only time I use it

gray oriole
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And raised the lvl to 8

ebon hinge
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Everything comes at you so hard. No need to come to them with range weapon 😂

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Ooooh these are different monsters than usual!!! SDVpufferwaaah

stray swift
ebon hinge
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I thought it meant there would just be more than usual 😔

stray swift
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these were 1.4.1 nerfs, so before i started playing

maiden fiber
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Oh there wasn’t a 1.6 nerf?

stray swift
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not that i know of

silver turret
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does blue grass grow in winter

ebon hinge
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I don't think so? But I remember reading something it should be planted in winter because it will spread a lot in spring. Not sure tho

strong sleet
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yeah it will spread a lot overnight between winter 28 and spring 1. the trick used to be that you had to plant it winter 28, go to sleep, and keep playing (if you quit, the grass starter would die) but now I guess you could plant it at any time in winter

ebon hinge
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I did it. I think I might have used about 15-20 staircase though. But I got 3 shards, so I'm just gonna be happy with it.

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That crusader and napalm ring really help with the mummy levels

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It sad because sometimes I misclick and put down 2 staircases

grand acorn
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Is the 1.5 update on Xbox

ebon hinge
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Omg i did they and I think it forgot to even use the statue. 😔 oh well.

chilly bloom
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Not 1.6

grand acorn
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Oh

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Lol

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I meant 1.6

drowsy steeple
chilly bloom
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Why do you spam click when pause buffering

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You just hold the mouse buttons down

drowsy steeple
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hold then unpause? you can do that?

calm lagoon
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is the general agreement that dragon's tooth weapons + innate enchants are the new best weapons?

molten turret
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ehh

stray swift
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sometimes when buffering you get an invalid tile which attempts to place ladder on other placeable tile

drowsy steeple
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do you start holding down while the inventory or whatever is open?

stray swift
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yeah you can hold down in the inventory

molten turret
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you can what

rich lake
stray swift
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hover over where you're going to place the ladder, hold left + right click, and then unpause

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if the tile is valid you place and go in immediately

drowsy steeple
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but what if inventory is in the way

molten turret
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hold left+right click sends you into inventory?

drowsy steeple
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or do you hold before you open the inventory, then open the inventory

#

I'm confused

ebon hinge
stray swift
#

i dont get the question

#

hold left and right click before unpausing

ebon hinge
#

I just didn't realize the monsters would be all different so I panicked a few times. But its done its fine

#

3 shards overall. But the very last chest on 100 was cactus seeds SDVpufferangery

drowsy steeple
#

brb trying that

#

ok so my issue apparently is with UI scale

toxic void
#

i made a wumbus shrine finally

gray oriole
#

Still testing it out

drowsy steeple
#

so at 75% UI scale sometimes when you buffer the bottom left tile from your character it picks up your trinket slot, and top tiles get inventory

#

but with 80% it happens less often now

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

Same?

#

How so

chilly bloom
#

Just remembered the quirck with innate for speed

#

I would assume they aren’t too different

drowsy steeple
#

innate cap?

gray oriole
#

Idk how big a diff 200ms delay makes either

chilly bloom
drowsy steeple
#

huh

#

brb code diving

gray oriole
#

The cap for innates is based off the weapon speed modifier on the base weapon

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

Its 4 - modifier

#

Minimum of 1

chilly bloom
#

It’s also affected by weapon type tho no

gray oriole
#

Not that im aware of

chilly bloom
#

Or it’s set by the default sword speed

molten turret
chilly bloom
#

You can get clubs with 12+ speed

gray oriole
#

Swords default to 4, daggers 0, clubs -8

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

So u end up with 4 - (-8)

#

Or 12

chilly bloom
#

Yeah

molten turret
chilly bloom
#

Thats not the point

gray oriole
#

Anyway the default delay is 400

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

40ms shaved off per 1 speed

molten turret
#

better club you mean?

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

So daggers have 400ms, swords 240ms, clubs 720ms

#

Idk how long the swing animation is atm

#

I fell asleep looking for it and never finished

drowsy steeple
#

I can't find attemptAddRandomInnateEnchantment anywhere does anyone know where is it

gray oriole
#

Meleeweapon class

chilly bloom
molten turret
gray oriole
#

Anyway, club with innate ends up with no delay so the only limiting factor is animation length

drowsy steeple
chilly bloom
#

The only differentiating factor was the end of swing delay

gray oriole
#

Also someone update the wiki page on speed kthx

drowsy steeple
#

wait are enchantment levels calculated in the negatives?

#

because I'm seeing level = max ( 1, ... )

gray oriole
#

No

calm lagoon
#

I see

#

What do you guys think about building crit vs building for hammer special attack spamming

chilly bloom
#

If you can actually spam well that’s still better than a crit build for most stuff

gray oriole
drowsy steeple
#

oh welp I'm dumb

gray oriole
#

To clarify, swords default to 4 speed

#

Which comes out to 0

#

But a sword with bonus speed will go negative

drowsy steeple
#

so with -8 clubs it goes to 12?

gray oriole
#

Yes

#

If a club with additional speed penalty existed above lvl 12 it could go higher

#

But that doesnt exist

drowsy steeple
#

+12 speed?

gray oriole
#

(The lvl 7 clubs cap at lvl11)

#

Nope

#

Think crit power innate

#

*-0.2 speed

drowsy steeple
#

oh cool that's pretty ridiculous

gray oriole
#

So at 10 speed u end up at x0

#

And then it goes negative from there and doesnt seem to do anything

#

Anyway yeah

#

Innates are a bunch of silliness

steady narwhal
#

If you do crit power then it's a slower dragontooth cutlass

#

Speed makes it more of a infinity blade

drowsy steeple
#

so ideally you have 2 dragontooth clubs, one specced for speed and one specced for crit power?

steady narwhal
#

Your choice

drowsy steeple
#

one for swinging and one for slamming

steady narwhal
#

But I might do alternative builds for some of the weapons

drowsy steeple
#

like in different hotbar slots

gray oriole
#

U cant crit slams

steady narwhal
#

Unless you do blessing of fangs

gray oriole
#

That relies on desperado in specific

steady narwhal
#

Crit power cannot be applied during crit slam by blessing of fangs. Attack from innate HOWEVER does

gray oriole
#

If u do crit spec strategy u have to give up artful

drowsy steeple
#

that's pretty specific

gray oriole
#

Or whatever the profession was called

steady narwhal
#

Acrobat

gray oriole
#

Yeah that

drowsy steeple
#

artful is the enchant

#

so what's the best slamming hammer if you don't have fangs

gray oriole
#

Whatever has the highest raw dmg

#

So infinity ig

drowsy steeple
#

3 rubies + artful + attack innate?

steady narwhal
steady narwhal
gray oriole
steady narwhal
#

Infinity gavel still better for raw damage

drowsy steeple
#

brb calculating

gray oriole
#

Atk innate dragontooth is if u also wanna weave in regular swings i think

steady narwhal
#

Remember damage from rings do not apply to club specials

gray oriole
#

Iridium rings dont work?

steady narwhal
#

Nope

gray oriole
#

Hm weird

chilly bloom
#

Was that smt I told you fishmunk?

steady narwhal
#

Think so

drowsy steeple
#

attack innate is additive? 😦

steady narwhal
#

But I've also tested them and they did not apply

#

Yes

chilly bloom
#

K because I was so-so on that info

gray oriole
drowsy steeple
#

so +5 attack innate means 100 becomes 105

#

that sucks?

gray oriole
#

Attack is a stat that adds 3 dmg per point post calculation

steady narwhal
#

No 115

#

Each level adds 3 damage

drowsy steeple
#

ah ic

chilly bloom
#

Isn’t that the same as the attack buff

gray oriole
#

Warrior ring works on hammer spec i think

drowsy steeple
#

didn't you spec diamond at some point, albino?

gray oriole
#

But giving up iridium for that is a tough sell

steady narwhal
#

Yeah it does

chilly bloom
steady narwhal
drowsy steeple
#

might be someone else then

steady narwhal
#

I tend to use one iridium band

chilly bloom
drowsy steeple
#

oh wait not diamond, amethyst

steady narwhal
#

Could do iridium + warrior ring and burglar + lucky

chilly bloom
#

Maybe ditch double band if you’re using it or start ring swapping tho

steady narwhal
#

Casually I just one iridium band

chilly bloom
gray oriole
#

Was talking about giving up iridium band to wear warrior to boost hammer specs

steady narwhal
chilly bloom
drowsy steeple
#

wait planchette no longer has +163623572 speed?

gray oriole
#

Spouse weapons were standardized

chilly bloom
#

You could ring swap or just live with the slightly less damage, it won’t pay off as much as magnetism

steady narwhal
#

Lmao ye

gray oriole
#

Theyre kinda lame now

steady narwhal
#

Or just iridium band + warrior

drowsy steeple
steady narwhal
#

I usually run iridium band + aqua and burglar + aqua as I find luck buffs have minimal effect

chilly bloom
drowsy steeple
#

I never remix mines because I need my obsidian edge

steady narwhal
#

Spouse weapons are just reskined slammer, obsidian edges and wicked kris

chilly bloom
#

Slammer’s fine until volcano where it’s a tad tough to kill stuff

#

Getting late so I’ll head out, nice talking to everyone

steady narwhal
#

Alright good night FilthyGorilla

drowsy steeple
#

cya gorilla

#

has anyone experimented with dragontooth shiv

steady narwhal
#

Yep

#

I just did two aquamarine, ruby, 75 crit power innate and artful

drowsy steeple
#

do attack and crit affect special?

steady narwhal
#

Two aquamarine good enough since dagger crit chance calculation different

#

Both affect apecial

steady narwhal
#

For crit calculation?

drowsy steeple
#

yeah

steady narwhal
#

Almost 30% for crit

#

Dragontooth shiv already has initial 5% crit

drowsy steeple
#

I mean how are daggers different

steady narwhal
#

Crit chance calculation for daggers different from most weapons

#
  • 0.005 and then multiply by 1.12 after gem forges are calculated along with initial crit chance
gray oriole
#

+0.5% crit ch^

steady narwhal
#

Bruh 50%

gray oriole
#

Lmao

steady narwhal
#

Should be 0.05 which is 5%

drowsy steeple
#

shouldn't iridium needle be better for crit stacking

steady narwhal
#

Yes but I just like dragontooth shiv as well

calm lagoon
#

so much numbers going into combat in this game

steady narwhal
#

Lmao

calm lagoon
#

i just want to unga bunga big damage

steady narwhal
#

You want biggest damage?

#

Crits can get into the thousands

calm lagoon
molten turret
#

damn

steady narwhal
#

Time to do dragontooth cutlass lmao
Rings: 2x combined rings consisting of iridium band + ruby ring
Gem forges and enchantment: 3x aquamarines and bug killer
Food items: Magic rock candy
Combat profession: Scout > Desperado
Innate enchant: 75 crit power. Innate enchants are obtained by enchanting with a dragontooth. Make sure the weapon it lower than level 15 or else you would not be able to enchant it with dragontooth.

We use iridium bands and ruby rings as they increase damage by 10% multiplicatively. Combine them together for a ring that increases damage by 20%. Total is 2x combined ring of iridium band + ruby for 40%
Magic rock candy to add flat 15 damage
**Bug killer **to double damage to bugs (2x damage)
Desperado to double crit damage (2x damage when crit)
Innate 75 crit power to multiply crit damage by 2.5x


Let's use dragontooth cutlass for this and we deal max damage (which is 90 for this weapon) and crit on an armored bug

90 * 1.4 = 126 damage

Since we critted and because dragontooth cutlass naturally has 50 crit power. 126 * (3+50/50) = 504

Then innate crit power is calculated. 504 * (1+75/50) = 1260

Attack buff gets added. Each level adds 3 damage. Since MRC has 5 levels, it adds a flat 15 damage. 1260 + 15 = 1275

Since the monster is an armored bug, bug killer doubles damage. 1275 * 2 = 2550

Finally desperado is calculated. 2550 * 2 = 5100 damage

molten turret
#

text wall

steady narwhal
#

lmao

molten turret
#

lmao

steady narwhal
calm lagoon
#

i literally didnt know you could bold on discord

steady narwhal
#

Highest I got with setup

molten turret
steady narwhal
#

Copy and pasted from my own message on stardew forums

drowsy steeple
#

1.12 * ( base + 0.046 * aqua forges + 0.005 ) * sum( 1 + 0.1 * aqua rings + 0.02 * innate )
so for iridium needle with 3 aqua forges, 2 aqua rings, and +3 from innate thats
1.12 * (0.1 + 0.138 + 0.005) * 1.38 = 0.376, with scout it's 0.563

molten turret
#

you can even mix em all together

rose oxide
#

what journal is this referring to? there are journal scraps and missing notes but i dont think it's talking about this, summer 25 y2 btw

#

or is it just saying "write stuff down in a notes app"

rose oxide
#

that does nothign

#

oh it's bound to F for me

drowsy steeple
#

the exclamation mark thing below your money

steady narwhal
#

I've gotten 2k damage from lava katana which is double than infinity blade

#

Could possibly do 3k with lava katana

molten turret
#

this journal

#

the third sentence is just whatever text

#

i dont think you can actually write in-game outside of text signs and chatting

steady narwhal
drowsy steeple
#

for swinging cutlass is better than club right

steady narwhal
#

1740 dmg on crit by infinity blade vs 2228 on steel falchion by crit

drowsy steeple
#

attack cutlass and speed club are basically equivalent but with cutlass having slightly more damage

steady narwhal
#

It do be

#

No way even yeti tooth can lmao

#

1908 from yeti tooth on crit from the calculation I did earlier

steady narwhal
#

Yep

primal pulsar
#

CA fixed the L 2nd family fish glitch in 1.6 right

steady narwhal
#

Nope

primal pulsar
#

so i can still get hundreds of legend ii's?

steady narwhal
#

Yez

primal pulsar
#

okay thanks

steady narwhal
#

FYI obsidian edge is a level 6 sword lmao, and you get this from a chest in the normal mines

drowsy steeple
#

I hate that pierre's missing stocklist doesn't unlock Y2 seeds 😦

#

I need garlic

steady narwhal
#

rip

harsh trellis
#

Can you keg the new crops?

#

Can you make powdermelon wine?

rich lake
#

I don't think you can process any of them

lilac olive
#

rip

rich lake
#

Or maybe the fruits can go in the dehydrator idk

harsh trellis
#

Dang it

neat mulch
#

Good question, ngl.
Haven't tried this whole time

harsh trellis
#

Tbf the wiki doesn't add it

#

Try shoving a powdermelon in a keg pls I'm curious

neat mulch
#

Idk why I thought powdermelon wine was a thing

drowsy steeple
#

so this bug exists apparently, the text overflows the panel

neat mulch
#

If it is, lmk 👀

drowsy steeple
#

why would you wine powdermelon

#

they're cheap af

neat mulch
#

For funsies

harsh trellis
#

Listen, if you can process forage, why not the other new stuff?

dusty violet
#

hi, i caught evry fish and got the stardrop, but im still missing 2 bobber styles, any idea why?

gray oriole
#

extended family

rich lake
#

I need that cat or duck bobber

dusty violet
mental badge
neat mulch
#

Ngl, I thought I imagined it

#

I must've done it, just forgot SDVkrobusgiggle

mental badge
#

powdermelon is a fruit, the other three crops are veggies, they can be processed in the same way all other fruits and vegs can

#

jars, kegs, dehydrator for the fruit

harsh plover
#

Hey, does anyone know what this is? I can't find it on the wiki

lilac olive
#

hmm

strong sleet
#

it's on the craftables tilesheet in the game files but I'm pretty sure it's never used in game -- there are a bunch of unused sprites on that tilesheet

harsh plover
#

oh, thank you

drowsy steeple
#

having a bat drop 3 bat wings is unexpectedly funny

molten turret
#

lmao

indigo copper
#

Mutant

stray swift
#

fargoj

hushed hare
#

pregnant bat

#

anyone know why the Desert got nerfed in where you can plant trees, specifically the North area, around the Three Pilars?

#

some of those shady areas at the edges you were able to plant there before

molten turret
stray swift
#

not quite

molten turret
#

oh

silver turret
#

is there supposed to be a minecart function here (1.6 channel just in case)

finite horizon
#

Nope!

#

Is that a vanilla area? No mods?

silver turret
#

only mod is the stardew valley expanded and its required mods
probably that?

drowsy steeple
#

where is that

silver turret
#

small island on the robin's shop map

drowsy steeple
#

did I stockpile enough for the Y2 price increase

#

or should I buy more

molten turret
#

erm what the sigma

fiery spindle
#

Does anyone know what these items are? I don't see it in the wiki

hushed hare
fiery spindle
#

Ah thanks!

molten turret
#

Aquatic Sanctuary still the biggest tank right?

molten turret
#

aight cool

hushed hare
#

I just restarted my day because I messed up a pineapple pot placement

drowsy steeple
#

ok a bat just dropped 4 wings. are sdv bats crobats

molten turret
#

Acrobats SDVkrobusgiggle

mellow atlas
#

randomly found this near the Hat Mouse, loved it and already put the hat on my cat

molten turret
#

nice

#

did you get a goby on your way there?

#

fun fact, the goby is one of the four fish which regenerates negative energy

#

(others being sea cucumber, scorpion carp and pufferfish)

hushed hare
#

sea cucumber, but not super cucumber? what's up with that

woven tusk
#

Super Cucumber is clearly so poisonous that it loops all the way around to becoming health food

molten turret
#

TRUE

molten turret
#

im so confused rn

hushed hare
molten turret
#

maybe

stray swift
molten turret
drowsy steeple
#

my province is known for sea cucumber chips

#

they're pretty good

#

and they give me (positive) energy

molten turret
#

oh woah nice

stray swift
#

🇵🇭 🇵🇭 🇵🇭 🇵🇭

molten turret
#

why do you do that 😭

arctic trout
#

Can you keep willy's golden bobber

#

The one from the desert festival

drowsy steeple
#

I think you can even get multiple, based on my cursory code dive

#

as long as you put the one you have in a chest or something

arctic trout
#

Cool new collectible

#

I feel bad for the guy that has to collect 999 of every item

drowsy steeple
#

that's nothing in comparison to the tea set

arctic trout
#

CA pls make tea set unstackable for that guys sake

olive patio
arctic trout
#

I guess they could just make a program for the tea sets

#

Like macro it

olive patio
#

well cart is random

#

and more so than the feast of the winter star

hushed hare
arctic trout
hushed hare
#

at 1 mil a piece

#

as of 1.6

arctic trout
#

The reason i feel bad for him is that the golden bobber and teaset are things that you can only get once a year

arctic trout
#

NOOOOOOO

#

My tea set aint so rare now

hushed hare
#

dunno what are the chances of it showing up either

arctic trout
#

Year 25 who tf is at year 25

#

Actually nvm ik some ppl

hushed hare
#

no tea set for me

arctic trout
arctic trout
#

I got it on like year 4 or 5

hushed hare
#

I got the living hat in 1.6 in like spring 1

#

and the mushroom cap hat from felling my first mushroom tree in 1.5

#

have like 3 garbage hats this save

#

my luck is all over the place

arctic trout
#

I love it when ppl use up their luck on the most stupid things

hushed hare
#

didn't get the AF artifact like until like fall y1

#

never had a tea set SDVpufferwaaah

arctic trout
#

I got a lucky ring from a slime in y1 on my 1.6 save and i still havent gotten one on my main save

hushed hare
#

or got a prism shard from the rainbow trout pond, had it for like 10+ years on the 1.5 farm

arctic trout
#

I also got 2 mystic stones on the same day in that save

hushed hare
#

I got lucky and got a meteor in 1.6 before the 100% prism shard nerf

hushed hare
#

for a bit in 1.6

arctic trout
#

Was that added in 1.6

hushed hare
#

I think so

arctic trout
#

Nice

hushed hare
#

it's down to 25% now

#

and mystic stones got buffed to 35% I think, from 25%

arctic trout
#

Wait what are the chances for finding a mystic stone

hushed hare
#

I've got no idea

sonic skiff
#

low as fuck still i think

molten turret
#

increased by mining skill and daily luck too

sonic skiff
#

huh, i guess no one has bothered to code dive and figure out the spawn conditions

#

or at least put it on the wiki

drowsy steeple
#

CA should make the first AF drop easier or something

#

considering that it's part of a bundle, it shouldn't be so hard to get it

molten turret
#

he made it harder 😭

#

why ???

hushed hare
#

AF too OP

drowsy steeple
#

if AF was OP what's starfruit

hushed hare
molten turret
#

better than just scything swaths of fruit fields

#

it makes me think im doing something

arctic trout
molten turret
compact aurora
#

AF and Stardust each have their perks and pitfalls. (Though Ginger Island kind of pushes things in starfruit’s favor.)

arctic trout
#

Damn

woven tusk
#

AF seeds are easier to get these days, I think, with the mine monster distribution adjustments

#

More bugs spawn, and they have a 0.5% chance to drop the seed

#

I got multiple on my way through, without even really stopping to revisit floors

#

And the bug head sword, though I think the killcount req for that might've also been lowered

cinder solar
#

Have we seen if there is any secret value to summer squash or carrots?

#

Or powder melons?

#

||carrots can speed up your horse when you feed it to them||

#

But I don’t know if there are others

lofty axle
#

Powder melons and be big

#

And you don't have to spoiler tag here

#

Squash
Broccoli
Idk

#

Broccoli processed in some way seems to be most liked by raccoons

feral perch
#

nice

dense yacht
#

I find that the new crops make acceptable mining food.

sacred river
#

Very

#

Amassing them is just really difficult

hushed hare
#

Carrots and melons

Other two are regrowable

tired mesa
#

smh

tired mesa
hushed hare
tired mesa
#

getting perfect on a glacier is

#

smth

hushed hare
#

The fishing blessing prolly helps

woven tusk
#

Carrots are a good energy source for the first half of Spring Y1, when energy is scarce and Salmonberries aren't here yet.
Squash is also still a good energy source, and regrows.
Broccoli has a respectable selling price, and costs nothing (vs Cran seeds costing a whopping 240, or nearly a third of the revenue they would generate)

tough remnant
woven tusk
#

Powdermelons are a safety net if you're a beginner and found yourself in the first winter without animals or enough Foraging levels to easily cycle Winter Seeds

woven tusk
#

Lemme check

#

[[Winter_Seeds]]

woven tusk
#

Foraging 7 (had to navigate to the Foraging page to find it)

#

It's not implausible that a beginner failed to reach that by Winter Y1

dense yacht
#

I spent winter mainly mining and fishing, and didn’t have much farming going on

#

If I was lucky I went mining and if unlucky went fishing

hidden ore
dense yacht
#

It’s all about the tree chopping now

hushed hare
#

And mushroom logs

dense yacht
#

I like that we can pickle mushrooms too.

woven tusk
solid crane
#

oh no. pam's walking paths vary a lot this update.

#

my poor decor :(((

woven tusk
#

Flooring tiles do weird things to NPC pathfinding now

#

If it is left as it is, you can actually use flooring tiles to discourage NPCs from walking into your stuff

hushed hare
woven tusk
#

I wonder if that might work!
Currently my understanding of it is that NPCs choose paths that avoid Terrain Features, which flooring tiles count as. (Their route for the day is calculated at the beginning of the day while everything is spawning in, so you can't redirect them mid-day.)
I was originally thinking that we could put flooring tiles beneath kegs or around trees, and the townies should steer clear as long as they're not literally on their destinations. But maybe you could "outline" safe paths for them with flooring, to corral them...

hidden ore
solid crane
#

these are the last three routes she took that destroyed stuff. you think if i leave her a little path just down the middle of the walkway she'll use that?

maiden fiber
#

Ooo cute mods

#

Totoro one is so cute

solid crane
#

ty SDVpufferaww it's hella good, that one has tons of cool miyazaki stuff

hushed glade
#

You’ll get a random item

lofty juniper
#

question, mouseypounds predictor tells me ill get my next shipped item for my next racoon quest non artisan or roe, however my only one left to ship is a green tea, which is technically artisan :(, will i just get something else entirely

#

oh lmao

#

you already responded

#

cool thanks

#

no point in pushing that then

woven tusk
#

I have a row of tapper'd maples at the railroad that's actually in the line of fire. I should put flooring around it...

solid crane
#

depressy (((

woven tusk
#

I believe Abigail walks in that direction

solid crane
#

i was so excited to finally decorate this space lol

stiff wadi
#

Pineapples in dehydrators make more sense than kegging ancient fruit, right? (Assuming you don’t put the wine in casks).

#

I have a fair bit of space and am trying to decide if I use it on garden pots for pineapples or kegs for AF

solid crane
#

damn yep. check that out.

#

well shit.

#

ty for that information gigafreak!

woven tusk
#

But AF is worth more than pineapples...

molten turret
#

damn fr?

woven tusk
#

There's a mildly silly thing you can do, to have kegs sort of piggyback on the improved space efficiency that the Iridium Scythe allows. Hold on...

#

Grow pineapples and jar or dehydrate them elsewhere. Keg AFs here, grown elsewhere

woven tusk
# molten turret damn fr?

Wine is worth twice as much as dried pineapple
Buuuuut dehydrators take up almost no space so you can instead grow nearly twice as many pineapples

stiff wadi
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I just didn’t know how factors like dried pineapples only taking a day to produce in the dehydrator might affect it

woven tusk
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Wonder if maybe the untillable GI farm tiles might be better off with potted Fairy Roses and Bee Houses (that works now)

stiff wadi
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Oh true! I forgot about that change

woven tusk
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(Kegs only need you to handle them once a week, and you can just set aside a certain weekday as Keg Day)

stiff wadi
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Yeah in 1.5 I was a keg day girlie but I get impatient with it lol. Just be done!! 😅

molten turret
hidden ore
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I don't quite follow about dehydrators taking almost no space

pure jewel
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When will we hear more about console release? 🙂

quasi scaffold
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Help, how do I get the golden joja parrot to spawn?

molten turret
molten turret
quasi scaffold
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I only have 9 walnuts collected

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Maybe it's the version

molten turret
molten turret
quasi scaffold
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Mobile

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Its version 1.5.6

molten turret
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Yeah it's currently on Update 1.5.6

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You'll have to wait for Update 1.6, whenever that may be

quasi scaffold
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Ohh

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Okok

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Thnxx

hidden ore
molten turret
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yes

daring chasm
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it's less profit overall, but much faster

molten turret
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you summarized it beautifully

sour tartan
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Black cat looks silly and adorable!
Gave the kitty a headscarf 😄

molten turret
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cute

primal pulsar
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current farm rn

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just chopping all the trees rn

daring chasm
sour tartan
woven tusk
hidden ore
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somehow I was reading it about the literal space one dehydrator takes vs one keg and I could not make sense of that!

stiff wadi
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ahhhh, yeah now I get it too lol. thanks @woven tusk!

mellow atlas
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Any good 1.6 seeds?

sour tartan
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Reached Ginger Island and found Joja Parrot!
Shall pay for walnuts 😄

rich lake
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Investment

sour tartan
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Indeed, I am quite the Joja 😄

molten turret
sour tartan
sharp gazelle
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does the golden joja parrot go away when joja goes away?

hushed hare
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No

molten turret
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Nope its there for all routes

brittle peak
hushed hare
brittle peak
sour tartan
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Yup
Same with waivers iirc

brittle peak
chrome hearth
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which animal did u guys usually put the golden animal cracker for?

hushed hare
hushed hare
chrome hearth
hushed hare
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Ye

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And sturgeon

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Blobfish, and the 4 color changing ones

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Gotta replace my stingray pond with a spookfish

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Shards aren't an issue anymore

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But I'll lose the cracker

elfin finch
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Nice, Pam sent me a battery pack in the mail spring y1 new game

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Are storms only in summer or can they happen in other seasons?

rich lake
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They can happen in any season except winter, but never in the first spring

elfin finch
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Oh, so it's just me being a serial restarter - thanks

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Fiberglass rod worth it early on if you're riverlands?

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I have the copper pick, axe and hoe - only basic rod tho

woven tusk
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Absolutely

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Bait is a big deal

elfin finch
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Also got 24 pack which is always my first upgrade

woven tusk
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Waiting for bites eats a lot of time

elfin finch
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Thanks

woven tusk
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Bait will approximately halve the time, meaning about twice as many catches

elfin finch
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Game feels like inventory hell before it a little bit, at least

woven tusk
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First spring is a massive uphill struggle, and inventory is definitely part of that

elfin finch
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Are normal sprinklers worth bothering with or wait until quality sprinklers?

woven tusk
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I recommend placing a storage chest in the "lobby" of the mine, next to the elevator. Drop off the stuff you don't need right before you go in

woven tusk
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Some people use normal sprinklers but I really prefer going straight to Quality

lofty axle
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I wouldn't bother with quality either, I usually go straight to Iridium ones from Krobus lol

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But quality ones still a lot better than basic

elfin finch
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I liked quality when I used them in a past game, but basic felt.. clunky.

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Thanks

hushed hare
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The mystery boxes will supply you with sprinklers

lofty axle
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Yeah

woven tusk
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This is Riverland farm? Quality might still be small enough to fit it into all the weird shapes your land is in

hushed hare
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And prize tickets

elfin finch
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Yea riverlands farm.

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I just like the idea plus free fish smoker at start