programmers-off-topic

[red crest]

@little furnace Still not an appropriate game to bring up in this server.

[hushed raven]

Oh lovely, the crash reporter.exe couldn't be found, sure would be a shame if I needed that, to yanno, report on the crash

[safe dragon]

alright I'll run the windows version in proton

[cinder karma]

Exe

[hushed raven]

yep exe on linux XD I dislike game maker studio, is it obvious? XD

[little furnace]

Still kinda figuring the limits out, sorry for that.

[lethal walrus]

strangely the reported crashes dropped 100% after we deleted crash reporter.exe. it must've been causing all tthose pesky crashes! we're such good developers for fixing all the crashes, 100% of them

[cinder karma]

Use the rust one like a real man

That I don't recall what it was called anymore

[devout vault]

You know what I switched to when I moved on from Game Maker 7?

C++

[hushed raven]

if it was C++ I would be able to figure out these errors a lot easier, I miss having a good IDE log output

[cinder karma]

Bevy

[red crest]

If you're ever unsure, you can always ask Bouncer, but please remember that this is an all ages 13+ server. If you wouldn't show it to a 13 year old, it doesn't belong here

[long verge]

Be a chad and create your whole game with C and Vulkan

[cinder karma]

Oh, make Claude write assembly for the whole game? I hear u loud and clear

[little furnace]

... the thing is, I would.

[safe dragon]

I'm in

[little furnace]

I'm bad at judging things. I will try to ask bouncer next time.

[long verge]

Claude will never be as good as Chris Saywer

[safe dragon]

I have a dagger

[devout vault]

Clearly, you should use this really old open source clone instead which what the heck I thought was long dead
https://github.com/enigma-dev/enigma-dev

(to be fair, it is still mostly dead...)

[hushed raven]

Well it seems the website is dead XD

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by p.llow as #8010 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501343850508189800)

[devout vault]

(but not "no commits in over 5 years" dead)

[lethal walrus]

im sorry for the self quote but it was just sucha masterpeice

[devout vault]

Yeah the website has been for a while

[devout vault]

I get it. I often am tempted to, but only mostly manage to hold back

The people here just don't understand good quotability 😔

[lethal walrus]

too accurate

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #8011 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501345480125321367)

[cinder karma]

Please, dont be so uncouth to self quote

You've gotta convince someone else

[lethal walrus]

then be more couth and quote me

[cinder karma]

Also, is there a new opus journal page?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atlasv1224 as #8012 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501345727538921552)

[cinder karma]

Atlas plz tell me

It's been every Tuesday for weeks

[hushed raven]

I have no clue, I havent touched it since my decomp attempt which didn't go very well XD

[lethal walrus]

I WASNT EVEN TRYING TO BE QUOTABLE

[long verge]

I thought you self-quoted this
But atravita did apparently

[safe dragon]

am I softlocked

[lethal walrus]

the problem is with having uber in places is i feel a weird pressure to be quotable

[devout vault]

skill issue. just be naturally quotable like me

[devout vault]

...is that possible?

[devout vault]

Oh right

[lethal walrus]

i was going to ask in what

[devout vault]

No that square is a puzzle

[lethal walrus]

this does not help

[devout vault]

That nobody can ever seem to figure out

Hint: Take a look at the controls.
Solution: || drop an item on it ||

[hushed raven]

Hard to tell when its a good puzzle or terrible puzzle then XD

[safe dragon]

you didn't give me any controls

[devout vault]

I should've made it use the leaf somehow

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #8013 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501346066514182224)

[devout vault]

...oh, the website doesn't list them

[cinder karma]

Don't worry, I make quips regardless

[devout vault]

The LD page did

[safe dragon]

where's the controls page so I can find what the button shows the controls page

[devout vault]

uhhhh one moment

[safe dragon]

I pressed every button on my keyboard and it worked

[safe dragon]

guess I pressed r

idk what I dropped, I lost nothing

[hushed raven]

the numpad for slots??? what an odd scheme

[devout vault]

Not numpad

The number line above WASD and such

That's what the enum name was if I recall right

[hushed raven]

I have never seen them defined as num<n> before, I guess it works XD

[cinder karma]

Isnt that exactly how stardew works

[devout vault]

Yeah: https://www.sfml-dev.org/documentation/1.6/namespacesf_1_1Key.php

[devout vault]

XNA/MG uses D0, D1, etc. for the main ones I think

[hushed raven]

hmm TIL

[safe dragon]

did I just get teleported out of the dungeon without getting the key

[devout vault]

did you grab the key

[long verge]

WASD, scary

[devout vault]

maybe you should've grabbed the key, nerd

[long verge]

Long live ZQSD

[safe dragon]

I didn't expect to be teleported out...

[devout vault]

You know what makes it even better?
-# SFML didn't support scancodes back then

(Or maybe it did and it was brand new?)

Ah, nope, it didn't

It took weirdly long for it to

[hushed raven]

eh stuff trying to compile pixel composer, it needs theming files which aren't present in the repo and the OpenGL shaders don't want to work with my drivers, shame

[devout vault]

Scancodes were introduced in SFML 2.6.0.

Which was released mid 2023

[safe dragon]

welp the game crashed

I was about to bomb a wall

[devout vault]

Ah, the crash I was never able to figure out

[safe dragon]

peak gaming thanks for the experience

this is cave story

[devout vault]

It's a shame you didn't get to chaos of the last boss though

[devout vault]

thank you for your insight

[safe dragon]

no problem

[devout vault]

As far as I am aware, nobody besides me ever beat the original version

[safe dragon]

why did you give the dagger almost no hitbox

[devout vault]

Where, among other things, enemies didn't get stunned on hit, and health potions only healed for one heart

[safe dragon]

it's ok I had like 5 health potions laying on the ground

[devout vault]

you expect me to answer for 16 year old me's crimes?

[safe dragon]

yes

[cinder karma]

Yes

[devout vault]

oh don't worry they were much rarer too

[safe dragon]

oh good

[devout vault]

And the caves were much much larger

[cinder karma]

Isn't wsad common

For games that have movement

Dont u want to use a guitar instead

[devout vault]

(Spoilers for if you haven't found the secret cave item)
If you go to res/cave.png you can compare the original release one with the one you played

[cinder karma]

Or bongos

[safe dragon]

what am I even looking at

[devout vault]

The map before it got cut into squares

[cinder karma]

Bongos

[safe dragon]

peak

[devout vault]

||kitty|| indeed

did you try using it

[safe dragon]

yes

[devout vault]

Oh are you going through again

What a true gamer

[cinder karma]

Kat!

Oh your hearts are cats

Let's see

Daggers have no range = like stardew

[devout vault]

no the cat is just an indicator

[cinder karma]

Wasd = like stardew

[devout vault]

cat functionality || if you run out of health when the cat icon is there, you are fully healed. the icon will disappear, but the cat will still be following you ||

[cinder karma]

Numkeys for inventory = like stardew

[safe dragon]

did you uh, make the boss immune to bombs

[devout vault]

no, and bombs are my preferred choice for that fight

And for the question you might be asking

Yes, you could technically beat that boss without attacking it for that reason

At one point I considered adding achievements to the iOS version

And one was gonna be a pacifist run

I think I was gonna have to make the first dungeon boss (not the secret one) lose health when it spawned minions, but besides that it should be completely doable

[devout vault]

hooray

[safe dragon]

time to bomb myself

[devout vault]

[cinder karma]

Atlas, for u

[safe dragon]

damn you just respawn

[cinder karma]

Kiwi the colourful birb, his goth chick and their half colourful half goth babies : r/aww https://share.google/vO19cJ6OiZfzwHhbT

[safe dragon]

oh no now there's a hard

[devout vault]

Oh, do you?

People usually don't die on the victory screen so I forgot I added that

[devout vault]

It's not as hard as the original, but much closer than easy is

[cinder karma]

Has cats = like stardew

[devout vault]

Atra are you trying to say I made stardew before stardew came out

Because if so, I'm sorry to tell you that was a different project.
https://github.com/spacechase0/Farming-Game

[cinder karma]

Has bombs = like stardew

[devout vault]

...also my terraria-like, but that was a private repo

[cinder karma]

Is 2d?

[devout vault]

yes

[cinder karma]

||like stardew||

[errant comet]

I watched like 20 hours worth of godot guides and I already forgot everything I gotta rewatch it again

I just want to make something already 💔

[cinder karma]

Oh man I forgot about underarmor

[little furnace]

Honestly, I started Godot making a Doodle Jump clone and that was the best idea I had because there's so much advanced mechanics in there that at the end I was basically ready for anything.

[errant comet]

My only godot project was a dvd screen so far lol

I think I remember the basics it's just the gdscript I forgot

[cinder karma]

Doodle jump?

[errant comet]

Couldn't even do a for loop

[safe dragon]

ez once again

why is there no cat in the top left this time

[devout vault]

cat functionality || if you run out of health when the cat icon is there, you are fully healed. the icon will disappear, but the cat will still be following you ||

[safe dragon]

ah so that's why I didn't die

[devout vault]

its not a bug, its a feature

but for real this time

[safe dragon]

incredible

[pliant snow]

whens the sdv game jam

[safe dragon]

I just brought it again cause cats are good

[little furnace]

My version looked like this:

[devout vault]

.q add "cats are good" - crumblestiltskin

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8014 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501355222981677190)

[devout vault]

important information that needs to be immortalized for future generations

[safe dragon]

doodle jump was one of the primary motivators for why I bought a smartphone

[devout vault]

I'm getting flashbacks to one of my old games. Not like doodle jump though

...is the video for that gone

...oh there's tons of memories I blocked out in my YT channel private videos

and some which were peak

[cinder karma]

Kitty

[little furnace]

It was a university course about learning the basics of SCRUM. The basic idea was to make Doodle Jump as a Rouge-lite with RPG mechanics. We had been working for over a semester. When we were done with the prototype we got our grade, and none of us want to ever work again on that project or even with each other.

[cinder karma]

Guinea pig!

[pliant snow]

sounds like every programming project i was on

[cinder karma]

Normal for group projects

If you talk to each other afterwards a miracle happened

[devout vault]

no I'm just blind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIk5ESsMnY

[cinder karma]

Tetris?

[pliant snow]

wow what a cool game

[devout vault]

No, it's "escape from death by drowning while avoiding death from crushing"

[cinder karma]

Spleunking

Sounds fun

To do

Irl

[pliant snow]

we should do a game jam tho

[devout vault]

...I found a video of the snail of destruction

It's unlisted so was easy to miss

[cinder karma]

You guys do a game jam!

Will be fun to watch

[devout vault]

Behold, the Snail of Destruction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHEQWU2g5uI

There's tons of fun stuff in my old private videos

[cinder karma]

Anyways, aquo is in charge of setting up the game jam

I vote you guys do it the first weekend of June

Also tell @prisma flume

[prisma flume]

wha

[cinder karma]

It's been decided

48 hrs

Saturday May 30th

Try to get myuu too

[pliant snow]

oh uh okay we can do that

[cinder karma]

I'm very good at voluntelling

Skill i picked up in college

[hushed raven]

I am also good at voluntelling, I voluntell you to also join atra :D

[cinder karma]

What's a video game

[devout vault]

.define video game

...is that one disabled here? smh

[heavy dagger]

Failed to find a definition

[cinder karma]

No one knows what a video game is

Got it

[devout vault]

.define game

[heavy dagger]

noun: a physical or mental competition conducted according to rules with the participants in direct opposition to each other

[devout vault]

okay so not a server death

[little furnace]

As the person studying game science (well, the master's will be that, the bachelor's at least focuses on it), I don't really agree with that.

[cinder karma]

I should learn how pickeball works

[hushed raven]

solitare is a game, and certainly not in direct opposition, I am not studying game science but I sure do love conways game of life

[little furnace]

My favorite definition is by Bernard Suits: He says that a game is "the voluntary attempt to overcome unnecessary obstacles". Basically, you set yourself rules and restrictions, and then try to achieve something within those limits.

[devout vault]

Wow I can’t believe you have absolute power over the server to make this happen. So amazing

[cinder karma]

Using Linux is a game

Running marathons is a game

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8015 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501361875894538401)

[little furnace]

In a way, they are.

[cinder karma]

Weightlifting is a game

[devout vault]

Clearly, we should all make a game for

https://itch.io/jam/coolmath-game-jam-2026

[cinder karma]

Can Fidelity just submit their interface

[dusty pollen]

is coolmathgames still pretending it's an educational website

[cinder karma]

Understanding Budgeting Strategies 101, features anime blonde

[devout vault]

How are they not? It’s just games that are about cool math /s

[cinder karma]

Iro!

Are there new puzzles for opus

[devout vault]

(I have no idea if you’re referencing something specific)

[dusty pollen]

I don't know, are there?

[devout vault]

Why do you keep asking people this

[cinder karma]

I'm still at work

So far every drop in the last month was on Tuesday

[dusty pollen]

cool math games is a run of the mill flash/browser game collation site that kids used to convince their teachers was actually educational so it would be unblocked on school computers

[devout vault]

...are you telling me the games did not actually involve cool math

[dusty pollen]

they most certainly did not

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-lies-lie-internet-lie-stop-lying-gif-16106191074125891844

[dusty pollen]

it was exactly the same kinds of games as all the other flash game websites

[cinder karma]

What about "day trading 101"

[devout vault]

...seriously?

did the teacher never actually check

[dusty pollen]

even had fireboy and watergirl

[cinder karma]

Or "let's make a budget"

Or "how do u do a bank transfer"

Or "401k match and u"

[dusty pollen]

I don't know if it ever worked or if that part was a kid urban legend, but it was unblocked on my school network while most others weren't lmao

[cinder karma]

Also tbh do people even learn from these

[hushed raven]

Oh they knew for sure

[devout vault]

Was their domain name blocking just allowing /.*(math|reading|science|social studies).*/ or something

[cinder karma]

I just figured it the fuck out from Google spreadsheets and "oh, I'm making money i should make a budget "

No anime visual novel needed

Pink Serenity. Is ynab a game

[dusty pollen]

unclear

atlas I assume this was also a thing at your school?

[hushed raven]

In my school they had to block each site individually after the national wide block list, but usually parents took issue with block sites with "educational" content, schools hate angering parents

[hushed raven]

Oh of course! XD

[dusty pollen]

most schools have software for managing their networks which comes with built in blocklists too so even if individual teachers knew, they weren't particularly inclined to care lmao

[cinder karma]

Brits

We didnt have anything blocked i think

[dusty pollen]

in reality I'm sure coolmathgames started out educational and branched out, but kids always said it was a scheme to trick schools lmao

[dusty pollen]

the way you tell it, I assume that's because your school computers were telegram towers

[little furnace]

I don't think so. It tries to help you overcome obstacles, it doesn't add them for you to overcome.

[hushed raven]

fun fact, pirating sites weren't blocked (mostly because they popup with so many names) and someone in school got in trouble becuase of it, it was the resident trouble maker, he was eventually expelled for semi unrelated reasons

[cinder karma]

Slide rules actually

[dusty pollen]

I have one of those

[bronze spruce]

Quick question: I'm rebuilding Stardew Valley font assets for Bulgarian/Cyrillic support and documenting the pipeline.
Would it be OK to publish that project publicly if some of the work is derived from in-game font assets?
Also, would anyone here actually use a Cyrillic/BG-capable SDV font family or asset pipeline? 😄

I've specifically wrote that the project is not MIT licence and just the scripts that I'll include are - also all the glyphs/content and materials are copyrighted by ConcernedApe.

[cinder karma]

Just publish the script, not the inputs

And tell people where they can get the inputs

[bronze spruce]

that won't work - as the glyphs are missing

and I've added italic version as well

draw them in fact

they are ugly but mine 😄

[little furnace]

Do you extract those glyphs from the game?

[bronze spruce]

not exactly - some of them to start - but had to redraw most of them

[little furnace]

So you're more worried about the designs being too similar than publishing the exact files?

[bronze spruce]

yeah

[little furnace]

I can only speak for myself, but I think publishing "look-alike" glyphs for stuff that is missing is okay. But I'm not an expert.

[bronze spruce]

I think i'll publish them with the addition that they are only for fan based products - not for sale - as they might be property of CE

[heavy dagger]

@cinder karma: put this in your obsidian for later (24h ago)

[dusty pollen]

does the Russian font not have most of what you need for Cyrillic languages? iirc Russian is one of the official translations

[bronze spruce]

yeah, but they are not bold

so had to draw few things here and there

[dusty pollen]

I don't think any languages have bold fonts in stardew

[bronze spruce]

mine has 😄

[dusty pollen]

wait is bold a grammatical thing in Bulgarian?

[dusty pollen]

I just mean that stardew doesn't use bold for emphasis anywhere haha

so the Russian font built in should theoretically be complete

[little furnace]

Is there a reason why you need the bold font?

[red crest]

(this is the wrong channel though if you're making a bulgarian language mod)

this channel is for specifically not stardew endeavours
#making-mods-general is where you want

[bronze spruce]

it's not just a mod

but yeah this was made to accommodate my mod

[little furnace]

I don't really think that matters.

People come here to forget.

[bronze spruce]

In my case because it's not a mod per se 🙂 Anyway thanks for the advices - will publish it shortly - includes ttf's so it could be used as replacement anywhere 😄

[cinder karma]

Wait, the Cyrillic font?

[bronze spruce]

The bold text is not shown there - it's used in the letters/dialogs and Загрузка ... etc 😉

in those

[hardy jewel]

do I smell stardew in my off topic programming channel

can we ban iro

[dusty pollen]

idk, can we?

[hardy jewel]

I unfortunately cannot anymore

this is devastating

[dusty pollen]

maybe this was my plan all along

[prisma flume]

one of the few perks of being staff is ineffable immortality

[fleet wren]

now iro can post SDV screenshots in #programmers-off-topic and no one can stop them

[dusty pollen]

I've dreamt of this day for years

[cinder karma]

Blueberry, game jam?

[pliant snow]

don't be silly, unyielding immortality cursed to wander the halls of the server is one of the eternal punishments we bestow upon the junimo

[prisma flume]

i don't even have time for raw game

[dusty pollen]

does raspberry game jam tastes better

[cinder karma]

Iro doing a game on a raspberry pi i see

[hushed raven]

I'm more fond of strawberry game jams, especially if celeste is the outcome

[cinder karma]

I want to grow strawberry

[dusty pollen]

mine is a bit past its use by date, 2013

[cinder karma]

Who else needs to take part in a game jam at the end of May....

[cinder karma]

NEW JOURNAL PAGE

[fleet wren]

woo

what is that left molecule

[cinder karma]

oh my god

[hushed raven]

well that took a while XD

[cinder karma]

oh my god

well at least one of them is straightforward

[hushed raven]

well that looks like a little bit hellish to complete XD

actually maybe not?

[cinder karma]

Yeah it has rotational symmetry

A fun bit is that it's too big to rotate normally

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8016 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501381660355330219)

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8017 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501382079630282903)

[fleet wren]

spent like an hour trying to make a bootstrap build that makes a gold atom as the 'template' and then turn the quicksilver into gold directly while saving the copper aside for combination into more gold and ||I think I bit off more than I can chew (there just isn't enough space)||

it's probably possible for someone better than me, but I'll settle with a regular non-halting solution

[cinder karma]

trust me I just made the worst solution

yes, that's ten arms and a TRACK LOOP in production

no it doesn't really fit

no it doesn't really help

I tried a hex arm and it's at the same cadence but the hex arm's sin was it didn't fit

it makes five per tape loop

I hate it

[fleet wren]

wow still faster than my initial solve

[cinder karma]

can I see yours?

[fleet wren]

so this is the "naive, use everything immediately" solve

i'll slep now but it probably won't be too hard to tweak it to a "save quicksilver and duplicate gold" solve
which ngl is probably the "intended" solve since I don't see another better method

[cinder karma]

yeah I saw it and did the math and was like oh god

"uh....quicksilver storage solution...hex arm?" hex arm doesn't fit. "track...loop?"

look at this tape loop lol

arms 1, 2, 3 don't even start until 20 cycles in

and a lot of that is 9 and 10 figuring out the art of making One Gold

actually, the correct answer probably involves ghost grabs, etc.

I wonder if I can program a sequence where the first gold is placed on the catalyst pad, but due to repeated -, the rest are just delivered.

or, you know, code out the full loop...

actually if I did that I would probably be close to/at 100

[hushed raven]

I caved, bought pixel composer on steam, turns out it's only the windows version on steam, itch.io has the linux version though is there extra cost to register native win and native linux versions? Cause I know it can be done, so very confusing

it wouldn't be so bad if it didn't crash everytime I tried to use it for what I wanted XD

[errant comet]

You can refund the one on steam and do it via itch i think

It costs the same but includes both stable and alpha versions for both win and lin

Didn't know steam doesn't include the linux one 💔

[hushed raven]

My thinking was "oh I'm never going to forget my steam account" but probably should've gone with the itch version, or I need to learn game maker, which probably would be better for custom nodes instead of paying the 15 dollars for the lua extension XD

[pliant snow]

Getting the steam key with the itch file makes it a pretty solid decision

[hushed raven]

Oh I didn't even see that! Good catch! That does make it a lot better of a deal wow

[dusty pollen]

oh wow, I wonder if there's a way to make it work the other way around?

it does look so cool... I'm always looking for more maths-y art software because that's just how I think about things like this naturally

my dream is for photoshop/procreate to allow you to create arbitrary "maths expression" blending modes

[devout vault]

A bit specialized in the kind of art, but:
https://rodzilla.itch.io/material-maker

[hushed raven]

I think factorio does it the other way around? You can request a downloadable copy of the game by linking and/or sending them your steam receipt? So it wouldn't be as nice as pixel composer does it, but certainly doable

[dusty pollen]

on the one hand, pretty, on the other hand, ew 3d. I'm allergic to 3d

[hushed raven]

Well that's been nabbed and added to my bookmarks! Ty!

Looks like it also does 2d!

If only I didn't do stuff in pixel based games where 16x16 is the norm XD

[dusty pollen]

also my brain has been ruined by modding. I started playing cookie clicker because of a friend like two days ago, saw its mods are js, and I already have a personal use mod now I nearly even copied in my js mutex implementation

[errant comet]

modding curse

[hushed raven]

Welcome to the club, any game made with js is no longer safe XD

[dusty pollen]

(did you know js has Atomics)

[errant comet]

I did a tboi mod right after I did sdv

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8019 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501603518744629278)

[hushed raven]

Hell even non js games aren't safe XD

[devout vault]

did you know CrossCode is made in JS

And yes it has a modding scene

[dusty pollen]

Alabaster Dawn is by the same people, right? it was fun even if it nearly deep fried my laptop

the demo

[devout vault]

Yep!

...how old is your laptop

[hushed raven]

I did not know that! Alabaster dawn is so fun

[dusty pollen]

a week younger than stardew 😌

[devout vault]

Not that I've played it yet (don't tell @earnest cairn ), but it's hardly cutting edge for graphics

[hushed raven]

The demo also hogged a lot of usage on my GPU so id say it's a game issue XD

[dusty pollen]

hold on let me show you my cutting-edge specs casey

[devout vault]

If alabaster dawn deep fries your laptop, I worry if you ever try Stardew3D

[earnest cairn]

the DLC had an area that lagged for me too, mustve fucked something up there

[dusty pollen]

I am

allergic

we've just established this!

[devout vault]

Playing, not just developing?

huh. you should see a doctor and get that checked out

[crystal wren]

Casey-approved terminal emulator, at least.

[hushed raven]

Okay so your laptop is better than my server, glad I won't be playing any games on it XD

[dusty pollen]

I am allergic to 3d! 100% allergic

[dusty pollen]

we've been attempting to convince casey to move to it, actually

[crystal wren]

Meanwhile me now:

Terminal: foot 1.26.1

[dusty pollen]

...foot?

[earnest cairn]

you playing Alabaster Dawn EA tomorrow casey? 😄

[crystal wren]

It's actually really nice, yeah.

[devout vault]

I'll probably wait until 1.0

[earnest cairn]

(remember theres only 1 correct answer)

[dusty pollen]

oh damn that's wild timing

[fleet wren]

that's a nice certified organic free range potato you have there

[earnest cairn]

Subnautica2 next week as well

[crystal wren]

Yeah, no way I'm playing a story-based game in early access.

[dusty pollen]

and this is my less potato-y laptop!

[devout vault]

I tend to avoid playing EA stuff much because even if I really get into it, I usually will never get back to it

[earnest cairn]

fair ^^
but I know I cant wait another 2-3 years :p

[dusty pollen]

the other one isn't even free range or organic

[devout vault]

...I didn't realize that wasn't out yet

[earnest cairn]

Im avoiding Mistria til release atm

[devout vault]

Does it have VR support

[devout vault]

same

[earnest cairn]

uhhh idk

it has coop support

why is here slowmode on

y'all write too much

[devout vault]

It does that sometimes based on activity

[hushed raven]

I can't wait for sub2 I dislike the ocean at times but it seems so fun

[devout vault]

I used to be immune because of being strawberry, but the junimos decided they hate me, specifically

[earnest cairn]

sub2 doesnt seem to have a tag for VR

how rude of them

[devout vault]

wow, can't believe subnautica 2 is explicitly worse than 1

[dusty pollen]

didn't we already fix the slowmode for you casey

[devout vault]

See? Hates me specifically

[earnest cairn]

time for someone to make a mod

[devout vault]

I have gotten discord vibrating in anger in this very conversation, so no

[dusty pollen]

(fwiw the reason you lost slowmode privileges is that discord split them off from the permission they were tied to)

[devout vault]

I mean I've heard subnautica is better if you get other VR-affecting mods on top of the base VR, but anyways

[devout vault]

(And there had been a warning about that at the top of that screen for a while!)

[earnest cairn]

Im too scared to play it in VR prob tbh

[crystal wren]

The VR in Subnautica is very... first-gen Vive dev kit VR, isn't it?

[devout vault]

hence mods

I've been considering going to do a VR playthrough of subnautica. I never got far in the one time I did play it

[hushed raven]

That feels like such a read that I just cannot comprehend XD

[errant comet]

I tried oculus with subnautica and I couldn't interact with my controllers :(

[devout vault]

also in my opinion Vivecraft is the same way, but people still love that...

[dusty pollen]

I feel like they should have just added it as "on" for any roles that had the linked permission tbh

but fixed

[devout vault]

[earnest cairn]

when fix for cheetos

[devout vault]

I love having someone on the inside

(FOR LEGAL REASONS THAT IS A JOKE)

[dusty pollen]

[hushed raven]

If I ask very nice do authors... aww shekurika beat me to it XD

[devout vault]

how about for level 2000 or whatever the Legend threshold is

403 levels left before I become a legend

[dusty pollen]

oh so you want us to give slowmode escape to the WORST yappers?

[fleet wren]

the rich gets richer, we truly live in a society

[devout vault]

I mean you gave it to me, and I at least used to be one of the worst yappers

[hushed raven]

I dread to think how much I have left to go to become a leg end 😔

[devout vault]

Pretty sure I was a big part of #programmers-off-topic getting made with the off topic spirals in #making-mods-general ...

[earnest cairn]

you and atra were the main culprits probably

[hushed raven]

Casey is a certified yapper confirmed

[dusty pollen]

whoever coded the character controller for this "irl" thing (very niche, atra plays it I think) did a terrible job, it controls like shit and I keep having the health moodlets trigger for no reason

[devout vault]

.q add "'irl' (very niche, atra plays it I think)" - irocendar

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #8024 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501607514771423253)

[earnest cairn]

is your character above 25yo perchance?

[dusty pollen]

26 but the controller has been this broken the whole time!

[devout vault]

At risk of getting "how dare you"'d again, https://www.howoldisminecraft1710.today/

[hushed raven]

stop making me feel old I beg

[dusty pollen]

anyway my heart has been insisting today that we're DYING so I'm going to go take another nap

[hushed raven]

Have a good nap!

[errant comet]

gnn

[dusty pollen]

"iro doesn't that happen pretty much every other day these days--" yes

[fleet wren]

turning old (25+) is having health issues pop up like random enemy encounters
for me currently it's massive eczema outbreaks on my face

[hushed raven]

some people are just forced into this "hardmode" diffuculty of the irl game

[cinder karma]

Teensy!

[errant comet]

some were born this way 😭

[cinder karma]

(I haven't had random health issues show up that weren't obviously my fault, and I'm older than you.)

Obviously my fault....welllllll a long distance runner who doesn't cross train should expect some injuries

I'm now cross training

Past me signed up for a virtual race on the 10th

[hushed raven]

a virtual race?

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[hushed raven]

I am just imagining the wii sports resort running game XD

[devout vault]

In a virtual race do you put on a VR headset and just hold the joystick forward

[cinder karma]

Instead of gathering in one location to race we set GPS up on our phones and just run in a circle at our current location

So I am running 5k

[hushed raven]

Now thats my kind of race

[cinder karma]

Smh

You dont get to turn those in for atra gaming points

[cinder karma]

Technically my first major was when I was 25 (stepped on curb wrong) (sprained ankle) (6 mths recovery)

[cinder karma]

Some dude on my YouTube shorts feed has spent $10k on virtual gaming gear and it looks so silly lol

I would never

Be caught dead

Doing that shit

[hushed raven]

Does the US and the UK have different definitions of a sprained ankle because I am always so confused when US people say it's a major injury, it's quite a minor one here

[devout vault]

What kind

[cinder karma]

He's strapped to a platform running in place

[fleet wren]

(I legit don't know why my skin cells decides it no longer wants to live since last year. I didn't switch apartment, nor skincare products, nor diet)

[cinder karma]

What's your definition

[errant comet]

I think theres a general list of degrees cuz one could just make you feel pain for two hours and one can make you regret your life choices for several months

[hushed raven]

Those look so fun, Would love to have one but it's likely I would forget how to work properly XD

[hushed raven]

Heres the NHS link for sprains https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sprains-and-strains/, this is what I would consider sprains

[crystal wren]

Yeah, sprain vs strain do have different actual medical definitions.

[little furnace]

According to "the internet", a sprained ankle can be anything from minor stretching of the ligament to a complete rupture.

[errant comet]

why you quote the internet part

[hushed raven]

Ahhh gotcha, no wonder I'm so confused with such a broad severity

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I walked it off but couldnt run without pain for months

[errant comet]

interesting

[cinder karma]

Turned my ankle 90 degrees lol

[crystal wren]

Feels like it could be either then potentially!

[little furnace]

Because I opened the first website, it sounded plausible, I closed it again.

[cinder karma]

Clothing, medication, laundry detergent, piercings?

[hushed raven]

that sounds abnormal but I am not one to speak given my issues XD

[crystal wren]

Speaking of, apparently it's not normal for your fingers to bend upwards 90 degrees with your hand being the flat plane?

[hushed raven]

Nope!

not normal at all

[fleet wren]

no change, no change, no change, none

[cinder karma]

Absolutely not normal

[devout vault]

Ah. Lately I've been seeing the moving chairs designed for racing games and such

[hushed raven]

You may be hypermobile, do take care as it can lead to injuries due to over extension without realising

[little furnace]

hypermobile
Is that what the British call a smartphone?

[hushed raven]

nahh thats if you've got one of those fancy foldable ones, those are hypermobiles, the rest, just boring old mobiles XD

[cinder karma]

attempts to convince y'all to play the new journal page

[hushed raven]

Oh no IDEA IDE is broken, looks like I won't be doing any modding today, what a shame, I guess I'll just have to find something else to preoccupy my time 👀

[little furnace]

Oh, my first ever phone was a hypermobile then.

[devout vault]

something something time is a circle

[hushed raven]

actually I think it's my pc.. why are so few things actually starting

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #8025 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1501610400347586791)

[cinder karma]

Can I sell you on pretty chemistry game

Me: copies a bullet point in PowerPoint to move it

PowerPoint: "oh, completely jank formatting? I can do that."

Coffee machine: "I'm out of water!"

Me: takes the remaining water and dumps it into the sink

[errant comet]

I like it

[lethal walrus]

@devout trellis

[hushed raven]

so quick

[cinder karma]

The nerd posted!!!!

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/KnUFH5GX_fI?si=ZkTax8h48josEOIM

Damnnnnnnn

Nice car :P

[safe dragon]

I did watch that whole video

I now know more about my dad's toyota's engine than he does

[cinder karma]

My beautiful darling car is only a decade old

[little furnace]

I want a CNG plug-in hybrid and that doesn't exist.

[cinder karma]

At this point I'm gonna start stacking cash to buy my next car in 10 years

[little furnace]

That's a good idea.

I plan on converting the car I inherited from my aunt into an EV, but that's expensive.

Honestly, buying a new one might be cheaper, but I like the car. It's much prettier than any other car I can buy today.

[cinder karma]

I am not a car person (I am a technology appreciator but I dont need to own it.)

How r u?

[little furnace]

I'm not really a car person either. But I own that one, and I don't want to sell it, and I like it, and it belonged to my late aunt who loved it, so...

[little furnace]

Tired, but otherwise fine. You?

[cinder karma]

Exhausted and have too many meetings but

Otherwise good

[cinder karma]

@dusty pollen I have suggestions

Legend roles get permanent slow mode

Yapped enough already

[errant comet]

is there any profit of having anything above 100lvl

besides the color

[dusty pollen]

nope

[little furnace]

I didn't know there's profit in having anything above 50.

[dusty pollen]

100 for commands, I think?

for mod authors only

[little furnace]

I'm a theoretical mod author. I was just too lazy to take care of the role thingy.

Don't think I need the commands.

I need someone to back me up: Has anyone here ever got their finger stuck in a soda can because they were absent-mindedly fidgeting with it?

[red crest]

level 500 gets you access to another channel

[hushed raven]

yes, many times, it hurts XD

[little furnace]

I'm so glad. My SO didn't believe me.

[errant comet]

and how active is it usually?

[red crest]

level up to lvl 500 to find out!

[errant comet]

booo

took me some years to get lvl100

ill die before getting 500

or anything close

[hushed raven]

it's usually when I'm waiting for something, it doesn't help that I take the ring pull bits off them too so the hole is actually big enough for my finger

[little furnace]

You need to post alchemy game GIFs.

[errant comet]

I can post pixel composer gifs

but they arent exatly programmers related

so idk

[little furnace]

It's off-topic anyway.

[errant comet]

feel like that red bird from angry birds gif

sometimes

[lethal walrus]

hey youre not meant to mention that /silly

i always forget about that

[little furnace]

Last time was during a Game Jam at university. I was looking through code to find bugs, and had to keep my hand busy somehow. One of my professors had to get pincers to get me out.

[errant comet]

omg demote button for sharing govermental info

🤯

[red crest]

is it quite literally listed as a benefit in the #roles channel

[errant comet]

ok nvm promote button to admin

[lethal walrus]

oh

uhh

hm

[hushed raven]

Button is already admin XD

[lethal walrus]

admin++

admin²

[errant comet]

ughhh

idk then server owner

[red crest]

(rest assured though, its secrecy is why i do not respond to other questions about it such as activity levels 😌)

[lethal walrus]

it is an amount of active

[hushed raven]

Admin++, like admin but with classes- wait wrong thing

[cinder karma]

No

[fleet wren]

if I manage to do this there'd be so much blood they have to use an industrial vacuum cleaner

[errant comet]

oh its midnight already

also why fidget with something dangerous

[lethal walrus]

[errant comet]

I cutted myself multiple times with aluminum cans

[lethal walrus]

maybe i nbeed to try this out

[hushed raven]

I wish mine worked this looks so nice

[errant comet]

I believe in you and your uhhh

linus

yeah

[errant comet]

theres a free demo in steam and betas on their itch page

[hushed raven]

hopefully the native version runs fine when I get the itch version

[lethal walrus]

👀

[errant comet]

https://makham.itch.io/pixel-composer

[lethal walrus]

im looking at the steam videos and omg

i know i wont be ble to do this good but wowowowowwiwieei

[errant comet]

its pretty easy to pick up

[lethal walrus]

mhmmm

[red crest]

it seems like the kind of thing id look at other people use and go "waow i wanna make something with this" but then i open it and realize i do not have the creative chops to do anything

[lethal walrus]

but also tbh i could definitely see myself using this for things that should not be pixels at all

which.. isn't necessarily bad?

[errant comet]

I see pretty much ton of usage and possibilities but my ass could never use it anywhere but to showcase for now

[errant comet]

it supports 3d stuff so yeah

it can run something highres

[hushed raven]

I mean the cheese is a good example of not pixels

(cheese because I realised people probably haven't seen the steam page yet)

[errant comet]

theres plenty built in scenes to showcase the nodes yeah

I dont even have cheese so you got lucky

(stole my cheese)

[lethal walrus]

radioactive cheese..

[hushed raven]

Cheese thief 🪤

[lethal walrus]

wtf.. why does pia and/or finland not serve archive.today's dns

and what are you mysterious infinite loading screen

[errant comet]

thats a good idea I can make a loading icon in there

[lethal walrus]

that is a good idea tbf

[errant comet]

nice

[robust quarry]

-# holy fuck wow- wait what program is this? I shouldn't even look at it bc I still dk blender but I'm so curious how you do your witchcraft

[fleet wren]

Pixel Composer

yah it is pretty intriguing

[robust quarry]

...nvm just saw I should be banned from asking questions after I lose my energy

it looks so cool..

honestly I gotta learn blender by now

[errant comet]

the video you replied to includes brebuilt scenes from the dev but yeah its pixel composer

[lethal walrus]

thats actually so smart I wouldn't have thought to rotate a parallelogram

[errant comet]

theres plenty of ways to reach the same result

what was your way?

considering you may not be familiar with nodes its fine

I myself find some new things everyday

[lethal walrus]

I would've thought to like overlay two circles and then cut out the bits

Which would've been far more effort

Yours does make far more sense

[errant comet]

I wanted to do your way but it took me too long and I just did that

[frosty echo]

Unfortunately, many things are unusably broken. Constant crashes and bugs, some of which were reported over half a year ago. Entire features are completely non-functional and poorly documented, such as the addon system. The developer does seem to fix small bugs regularly, but it feels like something new is broken every week, long standing issues remain unfixed, and there's no sign of that changing. Can't recommend this in its current state for anything serious.

[cinder karma]

What is this?

[frosty echo]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2299510/Pixel_Composer/

[hushed raven]

I've literally had a coworkers laptop get bricked using this thing, and I've had a lot of really scary crashes myself - having my graphics card go insane and crash half of the apps on my PC before blue-screening, very fun.
I want to call bs, but I do not know enough about it and the software used to make it, is this possible?

[red crest]

you can easily upset your gpu if you fuck up a gpu shader enough. dunno about bricking tho

[errant comet]

honestly some of the reviews seem pretty fair but im not sure about bricking stuff

[hushed raven]

Most of them do seem fair, bugs etc, but it does declare it as in development with crashes and corruption expected so that I can excuse, but some of them seem mildly exaggerated to me

[red crest]

the steam page makes no mention of it being in development or to expect bugs

[hushed raven]

Oh ye so it doesn't that's a bit deceptive

putting the warning on one site but not the other is odd

[errant comet]

they have this on itch, not sure why not put it on steam too tbh

[frosty echo]

A lot of the positive reviews mentions stability, bugs etc, not just the negative ones

[safe dragon]

I mean considering it's not sandboxed it's certainly possible for it to brick your system

but I doubt it

[weak obsidian]

L M F AO

this is unique

i wonder if there is a corruption level I can get

[supple ether]

hmmmm interesting

[cinder karma]

anyone have a gif?

[weak obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437981224906788938/1497764889656037476/image0.gif

my gif

i dont have a gf but a gif works fine

unles someone wanted to change that, i got many gifs

explore my shop

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-tbh-creature-yippee-yippee-creature-autism-creature-gif-25844104

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-autism-creature-gif-4638892681097271860

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-caseoh-roll-up-gif-7804955315425908227

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/156109690059751424/1486519757778980984/image0.gif

thats the end of my gif shop

1 reaction to message is the cost to favorite any

[fleet wren]

improved my solution as promised ||still slower than yours though weeh||

[cinder karma]

I'm gonna 15p mine lol

In it for a dollar, in it for typing out nine million instructions by hand

I like how you use the new gold as template for next gold

[fleet wren]

yeah it's not necessary but it's Stylish

[cinder karma]

I saw someone do that with the current tourney and I've been trying to get glitra (sp?) Paint to that style ever sicne

[cinder karma]

ahhhh

every arm dodges out of the way for the final swing

[cinder karma]

It's such a big product

[cinder karma]

@pliant snow I'm actually serious

[safe dragon]

cruel

[pliant snow]

Im going to say that probably wont happen

Although we'll add it to the april fools list

[worn remnant]

the only thing that actually frustrates me about slow mode is you can't forward a message with comment, since the comment is a second message and discord just doesn't send it when slow mode

[little furnace]

That sounds like a bug and you can submit that.

[worn remnant]

it's not a bug, or at least it's EWONTFIX. discord explicitly warns you that it won't be sent

[cinder karma]

It would be hilarious

[safe dragon]

just wrote that something was unresponsible in a commit message instead of unresponsive

[cinder karma]

Crumble, does github automatically complete your sentences for you in issues now

Because gitlab has that. Either gitlab or edge, not sure

[safe dragon]

idk I don't use it very often

we use azure devops at work

[devout vault]

GitHub will try to generate entire commit summary/description for you if you make a commit in the browser

Or did the last couple of times I did that

[safe dragon]

thanks YouTube

[dusty pollen]

"the distribution is a power law, not a bell curve" describes something that would also be true of a bell curve

[safe dragon]

a very steep bell curve

[errant comet]

whats a bell curve?

[cinder karma]

(Power law makes more sense anyways)

Anyways I'm sure all y'all will be great indie devs

[runic sky]

Statistics that form the shape of a top of a bell

[safe dragon]

also called the normal distribution

[fleet wren]

nice "It's not X, it's Y" sentence structure

[earnest cairn]

wait who here is an indie dev?

[cinder karma]

You are

We believe in you

[devout vault]

Does working for an indie dev count?

and/or old game jam games

[fleet wren]

I'm an indie ||gamer||

which is basically one degree of separation away

[devout vault]

Well, no, one degree of separation would be an indie ||game modder||

But you're a cheeto so you qualify for that too

[cinder karma]

I'm an ||indie voter|| (/jk)

For the record ||actual voting record is <redacted> but the joke was right there||

[cinder karma]

You count

[devout vault]

I do indeed count, but not very high. I lose track around 7 (/s)

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Anyone do anything interesting?

[safe dragon]

fixed bugs

that's about it

it was a continuous cycle of thinking I finally got them all and then finding more

[cinder karma]

🐞

I'm watching a YouTube video on the cursed cruise

[safe dragon]

🛳️ 👻

[sand frost]

the students are blasting music at unprecedented volumes, i can hear it from my 5th floor office

me, i am very boring

i have sorted out the budget for one of my accounts

(work accounts)

[fleet wren]

here we go again: https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/45479024/view/702141174212725149

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Steam Hardware - Steam Controller: Reservations open May 8th - Steam News

[fleet wren]

lmao did the robot think it's a steam game

[safe dragon]

For now, customers who have already purchased a Steam Controller are not yet eligible to reserve another Steam Controller.

how rude

what if I want 7

[crystal wren]

@devout vault

[safe dragon]

btw

[devout vault]

is "I got a steam controller btw" the new "I use arch btw"

[crystal wren]

...wait what, like these are actually shipping pretty much immediately?

[devout vault]

Yeah some people have them already

[safe dragon]

they are yeah

people in cali got them almost immediately I think

[crystal wren]

...Frame too? Maybe? Possibly?

[devout vault]

Original shipping time said 3-5 days

It got bumped up to 6-10 shortly before it went out of stock

[safe dragon]

I was in the 6-10 camp

cause I forgot it was launching and was doing something else

[devout vault]

Anyways I set my alarm for tomorrow

[safe dragon]

good luck

I also set my alarm for tomorrow

unfortunately

.wolfram 10 am pacific to cest

where wolfram

7 pm ok

[cinder karma]

No, hopefully

[fleet wren]

I use SteamOS b-wait no it's also Arch

[crystal wren]

"My VR headset runs Arch, btw."

[cinder karma]

10am pacific is discrimination against people who dont work from home btw

[crystal wren]

Ooh, that's a neat 6pm. That's nice for me at least!

[cinder karma]

What even makes a controller good

[safe dragon]

it works

it lasts

that's it actually

but putting trackpads on it makes it 17 times better

[hushed raven]

back buttons makes it 1.5 times better, but loads of controllers have done that now so it's less impressive

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/oEruzTKteRE?si=f23wedQGZpOnIv9Y

I'm sold

The Toyota Sienna (hybrid) is a great car

[safe dragon]

I can't drive nor would I need a car that enormous but I'm sold too

[cinder karma]

Tbh I also have a soft spot for plug in hybrids

[cinder karma]

And dishwashers

[pliant snow]

Should i get a steam controller...

[safe dragon]

naturally

doesn't matter if you have a use for it

just have it in a drawer so that when the topic comes up in nerd circles you can say you have one

[fleet wren]

-# i have the og steam controller btw

-# i bought it during the clearance sale when it went for $5

[safe dragon]

the thing always looked too weird to me

[fleet wren]

the trackpads were revolutionary, ppl just weren't willing to sacrifice a more traditional layout for it

[safe dragon]

and now the future is here

[cinder karma]

I'll give up my nerd card

Where should I put it

[safe dragon]

I'm sorry you can't

you get excited about new opus journals

[cinder karma]

Hey now

[hushed raven]

you're a rockstar

[safe dragon]

get your game on

[hushed raven]

This is what dreams are made of

[safe dragon]

I'm prayin the controller status becomes "picked up by carrier" tomorrow

I'd like to have it before thursday ideally...

also ordered something that is apparently being delivered from denmark so god knows when that's arriving

it's a time of uncertain deliveries

thank you ISP

"Our email services are being changed"

looks at message contents

This does not affect you because you don't use our email services

very useful thank you

[errant comet]

prettyy

[safe dragon]

nice

[dusty pollen]

it would be fun to try to code golf existing real pieces of pixel art with this

like what's the fewest nodes you can use to make abby's portrait

(without starting out with anything other than basic shapes)

[hushed raven]

turning art into a histogram game? great idea XD

[dusty pollen]

everything is code golf 😌

I want to play a game but my eyes don't want to see text and my brain doesn't want to do opus puzzles

I fear I'm screwed

[safe dragon]

no choice but to just go to bed

[dusty pollen]

nooooo

I'll cookie clicker I suppose

[safe dragon]

I'm currently seeing the 7000th video about restaurants with "food challenges" with some guy trying them...
And I'm increasingly wondering if these even exist or the restaurants are just making them up to be in one of these videos for marketing

[dusty pollen]

I only know about them because american shows from the 90s and 00s used to have an episode about a character trying to beat one

[safe dragon]

same honestly

[cinder karma]

Kerbal space?

[dusty pollen]

I do not own kerbal space program

[cinder karma]

Stardew with text to speech?

[dusty pollen]

there's a very silly very basic game I've been wanting to build but I'd have to implement some form of 2d gravity-based RNG

[safe dragon]

a visual novel but with the dialogue hide mode turned on at all times

[dusty pollen]

(basically I want to draw dots in a finite 2d space where you're likelier to draw the next dot closer to a previous dot than further)

(because I want to end up with a little bit of natural clustering)

my current best idea is to attempt to draw uniformly and then augment the result but idk if that would work with more than one existing dot

[cinder karma]

As for opus, the big puzzle on the left in the current last journal is very easy

The gold is also straightforward

I'm not looking forward to the metal math

The hexagon with the quint is pretty easy if you're not going for cycles

[steel kraken]

Mines scheduled to arrive today

[devout vault]

Couldn't you generate a random point, then apply gravity of a fixed interval for each existing one?

I guess depending on how many dots there are you'd need some sort clustering

Behold: old casey gravity thingy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8I9ifUcuLM

[dusty pollen]

that's what the goal

[devout vault]

Is the clustering the hard part?

Since if you need a ton it could be slow. (I don't know how many you need)

[dusty pollen]

no, the three body problem is the hard part

[devout vault]

...what's the three body problem again. Besides the work of fiction

[steel kraken]

Gravitational forces of 3 objects interacting together

[dusty pollen]

but I'm mostly kidding

[devout vault]

Do the dots move

[dusty pollen]

basically I'm not trying to make the dots move, I'm just trying to rng clusters

[cinder karma]

Hmmm

I think you should ask Kailey about photons

[devout vault]

If they don't move, maybe you could do some weird thing where if a placed dot is within a certain threshold of influence for an existing dot's mass, it gets merged as far as future calculations go

I'm assuming you don't need 100% IRL gravity accuracy 😛

[cinder karma]

I mean

2d

[dusty pollen]

if you apply gravity as an average, once you have more than two dots, rather than being pulled towards an existing dot the new dot would be pulled towards their average

but I don't want a fixed interval >:( I want a gradient

[hushed raven]

Whats the point of gravity if you don't have irl gravity smh my head

[devout vault]

What I mean is you place it, and then you basically just apply the acceleration to each one

[safe dragon]

I was away and for a second thought you were arguing that real life does not have gravity

[devout vault]

Since they don't move. You do a preliminary placement, and apply 1s of acceleration for all things to that preliminary position

[dusty pollen]

that will just pull them in the average direction in the end

[devout vault]

Wouldn't that be the case for real gravity perfectly between two equal masses? Or do you mean that's something you explicitly want to avoid with this

[cinder karma]

Iro look at single photon double slit

Does that look like what you want?

[devout vault]

Like if you use a real gravity formula, the distances will come into play automatically

[dusty pollen]

it has very little to do with what I want?

(that's to atra)

I think I'm explaining myself wrong haha

[devout vault]

Or I'm explaining myself wrong

[cinder karma]

It has a similar scattered random density feel

[dusty pollen]

basically I'm saying gravity but I don't really mean gravity, I more mean a form of random generation that's weighed towards results closer to existing ones

[cinder karma]

Without involving a n^2 calculate

Exactly.

[dusty pollen]

double slit experiment just seems to be periodic?

[cinder karma]

Double slit is but you can imagine having more dots

[dusty pollen]

I don't just want a periodic result that's boring :(

[cinder karma]

Okay then generate gravity wells?

[dusty pollen]

ugh that's what I was thinking I would have to do

[cinder karma]

I'm trying to avoid n^2 lol

[dusty pollen]

I'm attempting to simulate it via maths but idk if that's possible

basically I wonder if there's a transformation from a 2d uniform flat plane to another one but with the gravity wells applied

[devout vault]

I'm thinking something like this:

• blue is preliminary position
• red circles are existing clustered groups (other actual dots are not shown)
• red lines are the "force" exterted by each cluster
• green is after the red lines are applied

And then , after the final position is determined:

• if far from any cluster, make a new cluster for itself with a mass of 1
• if within a certain amount of existing cluster, then increase that cluster's mass by 1, and then merge any that are now within the new range

[errant comet]

done in one node

sorry bouncer

[hushed raven]

Bouncers been thanos snapped, oh no XD

[devout vault]

@ junimos - sashasand killed modmail

[dusty pollen]

but as you can see, blue wasn't actually moved TOWARDS any of the circles, which is not the goal

[errant comet]

best thing is that i can batch render any image with that effect

I think so at very least not sure if my pc can handle it

[dusty pollen]

the goal is for dots to either move towards one of the existing results or not to move

[devout vault]

I guess I don't understand what you're after then. It was moved towards them in my mind - it's just that the larger influence pulled it further away. (These are not to scale of actual gravity 😛 )

[safe dragon]

[errant comet]

I like this effect more but not sure how to do it

[devout vault]

Oh. Hmm.

Maybe if there's nothing that's closer with the final position than the closest of the preliminary, you just use the preliminary instead?

[dusty pollen]

but I don't want to if-else it I want a single continuous formula (I'm being very picky, I'm aware)

[safe dragon]

alternative

[devout vault]

well you didn't stipulate that originally 😛

[errant comet]

hmm

[devout vault]

also wouldn't that exclude for loops

[dusty pollen]

it would!

I want to apply one formula per rng generation

[devout vault]

Wouldn't that also mean you can only have a fixed amount of points

[dusty pollen]

no because I'll allow sums/products

[devout vault]

what the heck are you doing iro 😛

[dusty pollen]

being grumpy

[devout vault]

ah

fair

It's kinda cheating, but you could have a lookup grid for each position's gravitational influence

...doesn't fix the if problem

Well, maybe

If the influence in that cell is smaller than a certain amount absolute value, you can ignore it

There's probably some math thing that can demolish anything <1 without exploding things >1 to be really large

In which case you'd kinda just interpolate( origPosition, positionWithInfluence, valueFromAboveMessage ) (not exact code, obviously)

[dusty pollen]

okay so my initial plan was to draw a polar grid around each existing point

and then uniformly draw from the individual segments that produces

[cinder karma]

I was wondering about basically making a parabolic dent for each dot

The sorta doing a weighted selection?

[devout vault]

...wait

are we just trying to invent a simpler and more limited version of k clustering

[dusty pollen]

isn't k means clustering a way to identify clusters?

[safe dragon]

it's that funky function I used in my data analysis class

[safe dragon]

lucky...

[devout vault]

bold you to ask me as if I actually understand what I'm talking about

I think my train of thought for that was "make clusters based on the random points, and then each cluster can gravitate towards it's center of mass"

[cinder karma]

That acupuncture sounds pretty nice

[cinder karma]

Quick! What's your third favorite cuisine

[little furnace]

Why does it look so aggressive? The old models looked much nicer.

I mean, compare the first to the second picture. The first looks like a nice family car. The second looks like it wants to wreck havoc in the neighborhood. And no amount of hybrid-ness can change that.

[cinder karma]

Maybe it needs more room for the motots?

[little furnace]

I don't think so. I don't think they need that much more cooling compared to the older model. I think they wanted to break the "soccer mom" stereotype. What's wrong with being a soccer mom? I'd love to be a soccer mom. But apparently a lot of younger families want someting more SUV-like.

[rain apex]

it looks like discord mascot...

[cinder karma]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zwKkendeQnQ?si=PaZCl38jI7O4YPhM

Chue!

I want ur opinion on instant Ramen

[fleet wren]

this is the best instant ramen brand to ever exist

I know I'm not the person being asked

(translation: Thai Soup/Tom Yum flavor)

[sand frost]

the new siennas look so....sporty (derogative)

unfamiliar and as you say, aggressive-looking

my minivan is not sporty

it gets a whopping 13MPG at worst and it can carry 2x4s

I earned my soccer mom aesthetic by carrying around extra napkins and water bottles in it for the children i used to teach

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry but I can't hear you over "hybrid" and "35 mpg"

[little furnace]

Why not go fully electric?

Look how cute this looks:

[cinder karma]

Very few good electric cars in the US

It's a problem

[little furnace]

No Volkswagen?

[cinder karma]

Anyways I'm keeping my pretty silver CR-V for the next decade

Not gonna replace her she's so pretty

[little furnace]

Awwww.

A random person wrote me on Teams because they had a friend called "Serenity" and looked them up and saw my profile picture with a cat and wanted to be besties. Apparently you can search up every single user by typing their name into the search bar. I disabled that for me now.

[cinder karma]

Looks good!

I'm doing something I haven't done for years....eat instant noodles out of the pot

But since I'm old (lol) there are veggies and eggs included

Also some fresh fruit on the side

[sand frost]

another day, another horrifying new fact about Teams

[sand frost]

35MPG is good for a minivan, but my husband's non-hybrid gets around 45MPG

[prisma flume]

i can hardly believe Microsoft Teams(r) is prompting me, a lowly employee, at random intervals to sign up for repeat payments to 💎 Unlock Teams Premium(r) for such indescribable and unimaginable benefits as 'AI-powered meetings' and 'personalised experiences'

although after installing Microsoft Minesweeper(r) through the Windows(r) Store(tm) and being prompted to sign up for Minesweeper(r) Premium(tm) after i lost in order to save my Streak(pat. pending) and keep playing, i can in fact believe it just a little

[cinder karma]

huh

anyways selph I did the thing

it's simply fully programmed out

it does loop but after the end of cycle 68

better avif

(loops)

[devout vault]

thought this was the scooby doo van before I focused on the right part of my screen

[fleet wren]

speed
(ah if only there's a "loop from this point" instruction)

[devout vault]

Do non SDV mods still count as too on topic for this channel?

[cinder karma]

I also tried to set up for instructions or cost and damn

Tiny chambers feel small

Might go back to easier puzzles to practice my production instr skillz

[cyan shadow]

Surely not

[weak obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1437981224906788938/1497764889656037476/image0.gif

[safe dragon]

my steam controller still hasn't been shipped, who do I sue