#programmers-off-topic | Stardew Valley | Page 36

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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at least from the bevy folks who obsess over compile times it's pretty clear that the apple silicon ones run laps around almost anything else

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and windows is just far behind

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even when you try to match the linker used

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fun stuff

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sounds perfect

pliant snow Oct 24, 2024, 4:52 PM

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what jetbrains products are free now

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rider, the rust one, pycharm

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whatever the fuck aqua is

lethal walrus Oct 24, 2024, 4:54 PM

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oh rider stole the .cs extension

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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safe dragon at least from the bevy folks who obsess over compile times it's pretty clear tha...

I'd say it's less that we obsess over compile times and more that we'd like our compilation times to be faster than watching paint dry.

lethal walrus Oct 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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oh, there's ads in my visual studio installer

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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rotund violet I'd say it's less that we obsess over compile times and more that we'd like our ...

Tell that to labview

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The corner of "shit for documentation" and "15 min compile times" make me want to walk into the sunset

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 5:05 PM

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lethal walrus oh, there's ads in my visual studio installer

To be fair, even if the info is not interesting to you, at least they're only "advertising" informational content, unlike Windows trying to get you opt into more spyware/adware/etc.

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Though those other 4 bubbles could certainly be hiding more chum-buckety stuff.

lethal walrus Oct 24, 2024, 5:06 PM

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oh yeah it's by fair the best form of advertising possible

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 5:12 PM

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they'll replace these with ads for kfc someday

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Nah, Microsoft considers themselves too high-brow for that. (And please carefully note the words "considers themselves".) Oh, they'll degenerate into commercial advertisements alright, for sure, but it'll be for other crap they sell, or sponsor, or invest in.

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Like SharePoint, or their latest AI chatbot abortion.

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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My work laptop screen is flickering

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I want to throw this thing out thr window

sand frost Oct 24, 2024, 7:32 PM

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Would that make it a…windows laptop? SDVpuffersquee

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 7:45 PM

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A broken windows laptop.

floral parcel Oct 24, 2024, 7:58 PM

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how old is the laptop?

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Less than three years

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 8:27 PM

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punch it

floral parcel Oct 24, 2024, 8:28 PM

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turn it on and off again.

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 8:29 PM

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if it's turned off the screen doesn't flicker

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 10:05 PM

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Ah ha! Firmware update

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:10 PM

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update: fixed flickering screen, screen is now always half on half off

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Well, screen flicker not fixed

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Grumvled

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:15 PM

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rest in peace

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 10:16 PM

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I hate to say it, but usually a flickering screen is an indication of either a failing display or failing graphics hardware.

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Of course, you being the electrical engineer, maybe you can pop it open and find what is almost certainly a blown capacitor or loose connection.

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:18 PM

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I have had it before as a software issue once when there was some weird desync where the monitor though freesync was off while the OS thought it was on

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or the other way around I forget

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doubt that's what's going on though

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probably hardware

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 10:22 PM

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So the exact flicker is funky

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It is actually placing some other program on the screen for a frame or two

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:27 PM

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huh

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your programs are z-fighting

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Anyways, I think I'll have some time Friday or Saturday to do some laptop surgery

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I also emailed our help desk

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 10:44 PM

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safe dragon I have had it before as a software issue once when there was some weird desync w...

Freesync/g-sync definitely can cause flickering when programs fight over the refresh rate, but AFAIK that's only possible with external displays.

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And it manifests less as "flickering" and more as "display turns off for about a second".

devout vault Oct 24, 2024, 10:47 PM

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I'm using a library for deep cloning for my game project, and it's attempting to do the static fields/properties too??? (And failing, causing bugs)

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What. The. Heck.

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:51 PM

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huh

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I've never actually tried to clone anything with static fields before

cinder karma Oct 24, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Cloning makes no sense on statics no

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Although. Crumble. Do you know what a classmethod is

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(I also tried to do an abstract class in python today for the nine millionth time.)

safe dragon Oct 24, 2024, 10:56 PM

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uh the name sounds straightforward

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oh it's a python thing

rotund violet Oct 24, 2024, 11:26 PM

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devout vault I'm using a library for deep cloning for my game project, and it's attempting to...

Fields are inexcusable, but it's easy to flub properties because you have to look at the accessors on the methods themselves (and everyone forgets). Properties are just weird.

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This documentation adventure has also had me trying out so many programs over the past 2 weeks that are sort of almost good enough, like 85% of the way there and the other 15% is a complete trainwreck.

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I can clearly remember a time when I used to be really impressed by almost every open-source project out there. Now, when I get lucky enough to not have one utterly crash and burn under the most basic scenarios, I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop as soon as I try to do anything more subtle.

median tide Oct 25, 2024, 1:12 AM

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safe dragon I have had it before as a software issue once when there was some weird desync w...

I had this issue once if you have amd controller under game launch options there are software changes that can be forced just unselect freesync from the amd software

candid pilot Oct 25, 2024, 2:15 AM

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cinder karma (I also tried to do an abstract class in python today for the nine millionth tim...

ugh im so sorry

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there's like abc.ABC and abc.abstractmethod but i assume you've already messed w those

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and it's really not the same

cinder karma Oct 25, 2024, 2:20 AM

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Yeah, I just did a base class that throws if you call any of the methods directly

rotund violet Oct 25, 2024, 3:02 AM

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Explosive abstraction.

thin estuary Oct 25, 2024, 5:52 AM

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devout vault I'm using a library for deep cloning for my game project, and it's attempting to...

Funnily enough I’m working on my own lib for that, trying to replace Cobalt Core’s naive JSON serialize -> deserialize implementation

rotund violet Oct 25, 2024, 6:13 AM

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Copy #[derive(Clone)] as a source generator.

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Which in hindsight is actually such an obvious idea that it was almost a sure thing that somebody else thought of it years ago. https://www.nuget.org/packages/Cloneable.Generator

thin estuary Oct 25, 2024, 8:44 AM

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that would be cool, but i need mine to work with arbitrary types, as i'm working in a modded scenario, and people could bring in more types that need to be deep-copied

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 8:46 AM

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reflection based cloning would be the only way to go then right

thin estuary Oct 25, 2024, 8:48 AM

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i'm emitting custom copy implementation for each type. if there's a no-arg ctor, i use that, and if not, i ask for an uninitialized object of the given type, whatever the method for that was

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and then i proceed to copy each field's value

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ah yes https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.runtime.compilerservices.runtimehelpers.getuninitializedobject?view=net-8.0

pliant snow Oct 25, 2024, 12:12 PM

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...do i actually need to set up tree-sitter? Have I not really been using it?

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 12:12 PM

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in nvim?

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just :TSInstall the one you need

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I've never needed more than that I think

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alternatively like the "ensure_installed" thing

pliant snow Oct 25, 2024, 12:17 PM

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Is :TSInstall baked in, or do I need a plugin

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I installed a plugin, but idk if I need it lol

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 12:18 PM

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hmmm

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maybe it is

pliant snow Oct 25, 2024, 12:18 PM

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oh i got it working

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there is indeed more colors

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 12:18 PM

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good job

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so you've also been missing out on everything else treesitter does

pliant snow Oct 25, 2024, 12:18 PM

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It was a dependency for the neovim package, so I assumed it was enabled by default somehow

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what else does treesitter do

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 12:20 PM

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I forget what it comes with tbh but since treesitter is just an AST parser I think it has a few extra things like being able to fold sections

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I assume a lot of other plugins rely on it but I imagine you'd have gotten a warning if you had any of those

pliant snow Oct 25, 2024, 12:21 PM

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I think they've installed it as a dependency, but the behavior wasn't exposed

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oh yeah, better indending, folding, huh

cinder minnow Oct 25, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Why does SSIS have to be such a pain. I hate it. Especially SSIS I didn't write.

safe dragon Oct 25, 2024, 3:23 PM

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huh... I've used sql server for years and hadn't even heard of ssis

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we had a lot of import/export procedures but I don't think we used SSIS at all

cinder karma Oct 25, 2024, 3:47 PM

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I regret talking to IT

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That was an hour lol

pliant snow Oct 27, 2024, 1:47 AM

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Here's a challenge to you Rustaceans

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All I want is a function that will accept either a u8 or u16 and an index. The function will clear the bit at that index, and return the new value. How would you do it

rotund violet Oct 27, 2024, 3:11 AM

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num_traits?

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Or your own trait I guess. That's my intuition but maybe you already tried that and ran into some issue.

pliant snow Oct 27, 2024, 3:26 AM

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This is more of an open question, I was curious what people would think

rotund violet Oct 27, 2024, 3:29 AM

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I admit I'm just going with my gut here and I'm not sure if there are any issues specific to bitshifting, but it sounds pretty similar to what I did in https://github.com/focustense/mina/blob/14cb3d056e408388d95ee8f377aabd1fb570e38c/core/src/interpolation.rs#L41

(The current implementation does involve some messy macro stuff, but that's because it's meant to be used with external types and I ran into issues with the orphan rule; if I only cared about two types, I would definitely try num_traits or a local trait first.)

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Here we go: https://docs.rs/num-traits/latest/num_traits/int/trait.PrimInt.html

Has bit-shift ops.

PrimInt in num_traits::int - Rust

Generic trait for primitive integers.

pliant snow Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 AM

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ayyy that's very similar to what I had at first. I'm doing this for a guide, so I wasn't sure if that was too confusing, but I think I might be changing my mind...

rotund violet Oct 27, 2024, 2:55 PM

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Generic math is not really confusing, just very niche. Tends to only come up in library code. So, probably not likely to get readers saying "I don't understand this", but rather likely for many to say "that's interesting, I guess, but how does it help me?"

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Inventing simplified, scaled-down but still somewhat realistic or useful scenarios is by far the hardest part of writing docs for me.

safe dragon Oct 27, 2024, 3:16 PM

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all math is scary

sand frost Oct 27, 2024, 3:36 PM

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Math is fun!

half moss Oct 28, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Hello everyone, I'll be very quick.
A friend and I have created a tool that allows you to view your save's progression.
We made a post on the Stardew Valley forum if y'all want more information about it!
https://forums.stardewvalley.net/threads/stardew-dashboard-a-user-friendly-companion.32123/

Here is the project source code: https://github.com/NicolasVero/stardew-dashboard
If you enjoy using Stardew Dashboard and want to support our work, please leave us a star! We’d really appreciate it, thank you! 😄

rain apex Oct 28, 2024, 3:49 PM

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this is nice but u probably want to post it in one of the sdv channels

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like #stardew-spoilers perhaps

half moss Oct 28, 2024, 3:50 PM

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a moderator told us to post it here, I don't know if I'd be allowed to put it anywhere else

rain apex Oct 28, 2024, 3:50 PM

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this is the channel where ppl who dont play sdv hang out and nerd about programming stuff monS

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im not saying you r break any rules and im not a mod, just saying it'd have more reach in an on-topic channel

half moss Oct 28, 2024, 3:53 PM

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I'll ask for authorisation and put it there if it's good, I'll also leave it here because it's above all a programming project. Thanks for your feedback

safe dragon Oct 28, 2024, 3:58 PM

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cool stuff

pliant snow Oct 28, 2024, 4:18 PM

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half moss Hello everyone, I'll be very quick. A friend and I have created a tool that all...

This is really cute, well done

long verge Oct 28, 2024, 8:57 PM

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half moss Hello everyone, I'll be very quick. A friend and I have created a tool that all...

Kaaris, Sevran Farm, i know what u did there KEKW_animated

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Really cool project tho

half moss Oct 28, 2024, 11:41 PM

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long verge Really cool project tho

Thanks 😄

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 2:20 PM

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i had this persistent issue where things like vscode segfaults unless i run in root

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turns out it's cus i was using LD_PRELOAD jemalloc LilyDerp

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 3:27 PM

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Me with half my projects (mainly my mods)

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 3:33 PM

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Fix your warnings, casey. Make Visual Studio happy. 🙂

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 3:35 PM

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I can be devils advocate: keep them! Let the little yellow triangle keep its job on the screen!

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 3:56 PM

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I mean, I hide them, so I'm not sure I'm satisfying either of y'all

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And that's with only a few of my mods loaded

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 3:57 PM

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If they really wanted you to fix it, surely it would have stopped you from compiling 😛

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 3:58 PM

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Do you also have 999+ unread notifs

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 3:59 PM

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Nah I’m too nosy for that

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I’ll read it and then never reply, instead 😛

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 3:59 PM

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sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:00 PM

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That’s actually impressive

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:00 PM

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sand frost I’ll read it and then never reply, instead 😛

That's how I am about all my Nexus DMs

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:00 PM

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I’ve seen the horror show that your comment sections are

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53 is way lower than I expected

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:00 PM

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pliant snow Oct 29, 2024, 4:01 PM

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whats it like to be a war criminal

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:05 PM

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That seems a bit extreme 😛

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Most of the emails I get aren't stuff I'd actually want to open, and most of my apps I don't even use

vagrant basalt Oct 29, 2024, 4:09 PM

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She says like that excuses it

austere comet Oct 29, 2024, 4:10 PM

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devout vault Most of the emails I get aren't stuff I'd actually want to open, and most of my ...

I can ignore the emails that feels normal enough, but why don't you uninstall the apps you don't use

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Becasue I don't think about them

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And I transfer my phone data when I get a new one

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:15 PM

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I read all my emails and every so often go on a spam deleting spree

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But it does take a certain amount of time

vagrant basalt Oct 29, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Before I got sick I regularly had a completely empty inbox because I organised my emails so much

austere comet Oct 29, 2024, 4:19 PM

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The trick is actually to turn off email notifications

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:23 PM

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I love the “just turn off notifications” trick, I’ve banned most of my apps from making noise or giving me banners even

austere comet Oct 29, 2024, 4:24 PM

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There’s like, maybe 5 apps thst I’ve let give me notifications

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The rest don’t deserve notifications

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:25 PM

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I don't get notifications from email, just the little badge

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The only notifications I pay attention to are texts and discord - I really need to disable notifications for some other apps that just use them for marketing

austere comet Oct 29, 2024, 4:27 PM

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I only get notifications from a select few discords, I’ve got 99% of discord servers muted

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Me too

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 4:31 PM

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sand frost If they _really_ wanted you to fix it, surely it would have stopped you from com...

I have actually worked on projects with TreatWarningsAsErrors set to true in the csproj

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it's fine honestly

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the biggest issue we ran into was that the project kept being unable to compile whenever another CVE was opened on one of the nuget packages

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it's nice that we were forced to know about CVEs that way instead of hiding them but it wasn't ideal for our build pipelines

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:44 PM

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What’s a CVE?

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 4:46 PM

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essentially reports on security vulnerabilities found

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 4:46 PM

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Ah, I see

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 4:47 PM

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so really anything from a ddos vulnerability to remote code execution exploits will get a cve

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so far I've never experienced one that actually tangibly affected one of our products

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lately there's been a lot of CVEs made for microsoft's serialization packages

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kept breaking our build pipelines smh

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 5:03 PM

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I used to be an inbox zero person

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I wish I was still an inbox zero person

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Yeah, I used to be too. But once it got out of control I gave up

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 5:08 PM

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I hate outlook so so much but learning the filters was a big improvement

pliant snow Oct 29, 2024, 5:49 PM

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i spent like 15 minutes yesterday trying to find the dialog of how to embed an image in outlook

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 5:50 PM

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I've never used outlook before...

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 5:50 PM

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Lucky

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 5:50 PM

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I start a new job on friday, maybe my luck will run out

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Your luck will run out

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 5:52 PM

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pliant snow i spent like 15 minutes yesterday trying to find the dialog of how to embed an i...

One day at work me and a coworker spent an hour trying to get her a docx that was in fuckkng SharePoint

pliant snow Oct 29, 2024, 5:53 PM

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I have never once put a document on sharepoint, sent it to people, and had them have the right permissions to view it

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 5:53 PM

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outlook keeps putting interview scheduling mail into spam for me

worn remnant Oct 29, 2024, 6:05 PM

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pliant snow I have never once put a document on sharepoint, sent it to people, and had them ...

i know we all hate sharepoint, but surely if you call something sharepoint (which you should not do. awful microsoft-tier name) the first thing you should get right about it is sharing

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 6:07 PM

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cinder karma One day at work me and a coworker spent an hour trying to get her a docx that wa...

I attached it to an email and SharePoint was like "hey I'll be helpful and turn that into a SharePoint link"

pliant snow Oct 29, 2024, 6:08 PM

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my favorite is when you upload a picture to teams that you've uploaded somewhere else "oh hey! That picture has already been uploaded? Want me to upload it again?" I... yes?

safe dragon Oct 29, 2024, 6:20 PM

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I will be discovering the pain of sharepoint soon enough myself I'm afraid

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 6:33 PM

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I hate hate hate how outlook makes me do some attachments in sharepoint and then the upload just never finishes

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I always have to switch over to share point or one drive or whatever the hell it calls itself to upload separately and then “attach”

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 6:48 PM

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I had to copy the docx to somewhere else on my hd

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To send it

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 7:54 PM

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devout vault

I read all my notifications on Nexus... but then I have

pliant snow Oct 29, 2024, 7:56 PM

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Must not abuse bot to send more notifications to people...

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Yeah, I don't really answer DMs from people I don't know, so I have 7 DM requests pending (and 9 spam ones)

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I should clear them out

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 7:57 PM

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I am usually like "eeeeh" looking at them until they're like a couple months old and then I go "Well I'm sure they realize I'm not gonna reply by now delete"

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As if that makes any sense

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:05 PM

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I just delete them immediately to remove the red thing

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But I’m also sure I get less SDVpuffersquee

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Surprisingly most of the ones I get aren't from SDV server people. They're just spam bots on other servers

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Mine are usually just “hey can you give me personal debugging help” which is just a no

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 8:07 PM

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That's completely fair, I'd be the same way

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:07 PM

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Oh I also get spam bots! Sometimes I’m not sure and I’ll ping them publicly here

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But if they never reply then I assume spam

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 8:07 PM

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I got one DM over a month ago of someone wanting a build of the latest SpaceCore from github, because they didn't want to build it themselves

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There's a reason I haven't released that version of SpaceCore yet - it breaks marriage schedules 😅

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Maybe they are yearning to break their game

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 8:08 PM

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(Though I commented out the 0 schedule fix so it won't do that anymore, since I doubt I'll get around to fixing it in time for 1.6.9)

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:08 PM

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They’re just wishing for the day when their spouse stays home all day

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 8:08 PM

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getting dm notif is scary so mine have been off for years

devout vault Oct 29, 2024, 8:09 PM

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I wish you could keep them on, but turn them off for group chats unless pinged

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:09 PM

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Oh I’m just too technologically bad to figure it out if i don’t have notifs

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I do DM with people I know, just not like random people I’ve never talked to

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 8:10 PM

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i think the main impedement i ran into while attempting to build spacecore is the few not-no-github-but-in-sln projects

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wish there was some way to have a local sln

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 8:10 PM

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(Occasionally someone actually reads my bio and asks if we can chat and it’s pretty much always someone I definitely know!)

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Can’t you just unload everything when you build?

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Besides SC

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That’s usually what I start with when I mess with Casey’s repo

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 8:11 PM

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yea i did that it worked out Bolb

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but the big wall of red and yellow was scary

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 8:12 PM

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So has anyone else used generic static classes before? I just used one and it feels kinda dirty, lol

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public static bool TryGetEnum<TEnum>(string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error, [CallerArgumentExpression("value")] string? name = null) where TEnum : struct {
    return TryGetEnumHelper<TEnum>.TryGetEnum(array, index, out value, out error, name);
}

private static class TryGetEnumHelper<TEnum> where TEnum : struct {

    private delegate bool OldTryGetEnumDelegate(string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error);
    public delegate bool TryGetEnumDelegate(string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error, string? name);

    public static readonly TryGetEnumDelegate TryGetEnum;

    static TryGetEnumHelper() {
        var method = typeof(ArgUtility)
            .GetMethod(nameof(ArgUtility.TryGetEnum), BindingFlags.Static | BindingFlags.Public)?
            .MakeGenericMethod(typeof(TEnum));

        if (method != null) {
            var parameters = method.GetParameters();
            if (parameters.Length == 5) {
                // New Version
                TryGetEnum = method.CreateDelegate<TryGetEnumDelegate>();

            } else if (parameters.Length == 4) {
                // Old Version
                var del = method.CreateDelegate<OldTryGetEnumDelegate>();
                TryGetEnum = (string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error, string? name) =>
                    del(array, index, out value, out error);
            } else {
                TryGetEnum = (string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error, string? name) => {
                    value = default;
                    error = "Invalid TryGetEnum method signature.";
                    return false;
                };
            }

        } else
            TryGetEnum = (string[] array, int index, out TEnum value, out string? error, string? name) => {
                value = default;
                error = "TryGetEnum method not found.";
                return false;
            };
    }
}

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For 1.6.8/1.6.9 dual compatibility since Pathos' otherwise top notch rewriters doesn't like generics.

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 8:13 PM

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this is basically same as a generic method in a regular static class right

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just for the specific usecase of not exploding rewriters

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 8:14 PM

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I'm basically just making the type system do my caching for me.

rotund violet Oct 29, 2024, 8:28 PM

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If it has the correct semantics then it's a valid (and oft recommended) alternative to double-checked locking.

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It's definitely more common in my C# coding to use regular static classes with generic methods, but that's mainly for dealing with types not known at compile time. If you know the types at compile time then whatever floats your boat.

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 10:45 PM

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I like how Khloe is planning to support both 1.6.8 and 1.6.9

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While I'm planning on supporting neither

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 10:53 PM

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I just want to release an update before .9 comes out and not need to immediately drop another update

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 10:57 PM

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1.6.9 is like the 4th

ivory shadow Oct 29, 2024, 10:58 PM

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And I just about have an update ready today lol

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I guess I could just delay it

rain apex Oct 29, 2024, 10:59 PM

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i vote for slacking

sand frost Oct 29, 2024, 11:04 PM

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You could release for 1.6.9 and let people figure it out

cinder karma Oct 29, 2024, 11:04 PM

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Lol

rose pumice Oct 30, 2024, 9:24 AM

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Is this channel only about c#?

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 9:25 AM

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nope

austere comet Oct 30, 2024, 9:25 AM

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this channel is questionably about programming at all sometimes

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 9:26 AM

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yeah it's simultaneously a programming channel and just the regular off topic channel for modders

sand frost Oct 30, 2024, 1:25 PM

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This channel is probably more about Python than C# some of the time

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And by Python I mean complaining about Python’s quirks

pliant snow Oct 30, 2024, 1:36 PM

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rose pumice Is this channel only about c#?

I mean..

crystal wren Oct 30, 2024, 1:50 PM

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Technically, it's more about Rust than any other specific language.

A place for off-topic programming chatter (i.e. stuff not related to Stardew Valley). #sebs-basement #codeybois #lost-rustaceans

pliant snow Oct 30, 2024, 1:53 PM

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where do we put the found-rustaceans

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 1:53 PM

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Found rustaceans are very rare

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Most rustaceans cannot find a job doing rust

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So we drift, sadly

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 2:04 PM

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Last time I checked indeed there were no rust job listings in my country at all

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at least when NFTs were all the rage you had some

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C# and Java devs are set though

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I saw over a dozen listings just for a Spring framework web dev

rain apex Oct 30, 2024, 2:07 PM

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is there anyone pushing for rust jobs

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rust always seemed like a hobby language

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 2:08 PM

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it's mostly being pushed in security critical fields

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places that normally used C++

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but even C++ jobs seem fairly uncommon here

fleet wren Oct 30, 2024, 6:21 PM

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rain apex rust always seemed like a hobby language

it is slowly getting more traction; the main push mainly comes from senior C++ devs in Google/Microsoft/etc.

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who probably have had their share of horror stories regarding C++ memory issues
So if you want to get Rust jobs, get hired as a C++ dev and backdoor Rust in

rotund violet Oct 30, 2024, 6:30 PM

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A lot of Android is Rust now. (The OS itself, that is, not the apps.)

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I'd say the opportunities are out there, but they are drowned out by the vast ocean of garbage "at least it's not tech support" programming jobs.

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 8:22 PM

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fleet wren it is slowly getting more traction; the main push mainly comes from senior C++ d...

how to become a rust dev:
step 1: become a C++ dev

fleet wren Oct 30, 2024, 8:34 PM

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this but unironically

safe dragon Oct 30, 2024, 8:40 PM

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it'd probably help to have experience with C++ for rust regardless

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not the worst method

supple ether Oct 30, 2024, 10:04 PM

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I think it's mainly just an age thing at this point. Rust is still young, relatively speaking, and any new thing takes a while to start seeping into enterprise software. (unless it's a Javascript framework, apparently.)

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 11:05 PM

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For a young Lang, it's going places

rotund violet Oct 30, 2024, 11:07 PM

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JS frameworks in enterprise software? That's surprisingly forward-looking; I usually expect to see Java, SQL and maybe a little COBOL. The typical dino-corp is terrified of anything front-end.

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 11:08 PM

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I feel that

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My front end is a Jupiter notebook on a good day

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On a bad day it's physical leds

pliant snow Oct 30, 2024, 11:09 PM

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I still don't really understand the appeal of Jupyter notebooks tbh. I guess if you're doing a lot of graphing or visualizations it makes sense, but I always just turn to a formal script

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 11:10 PM

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pliant snow I still don't really understand the appeal of Jupyter notebooks tbh. I guess if ...

NI has shit for documentation

pliant snow Oct 30, 2024, 11:10 PM

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what is NI

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 11:11 PM

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I use a jupypter notebook for fast iterative development

rotund violet Oct 30, 2024, 11:21 PM

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It may be shit, but NI has the best documentation (and APIs, and so on) of any company in that industry, as far as I know. Everything else is way worse.

cinder karma Oct 30, 2024, 11:25 PM

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Oh I know lol

ivory shadow Oct 30, 2024, 11:28 PM

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rotund violet JS frameworks in enterprise software? That's surprisingly forward-looking; I usu...

Perhaps they are wise to be terrified of js frameworks.

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I am so tired of JavaScript.

supple ether Oct 30, 2024, 11:47 PM

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I like fiddling with frontend stuff, but SPAs are evil and typescript is only marginally an improvement on js

Browser tech was never meant to support web apps

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I get why it's popular but it's still horrible

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 12:22 AM

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ivory shadow I am so tired of JavaScript.

But TypeScript, on the other hand...

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:22 AM

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I only want to program in bespoke languages no one has heard of

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Please support me in my endeavors

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Real programmers program in lolcode

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:23 AM

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cinder karma I only want to program in bespoke languages no one has heard of

may you become an expert game developer in Beef

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:25 AM

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I do not want to be a game developer

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I cannot see many other paths I'm less suited for

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Or have fewer skills in the area of

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:26 AM

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You've modded before, you definitely have some

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Zero

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:26 AM

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a little amusing for someone with the mod author role

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Negative

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Minus infinity

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What mod author role

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What mods

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:27 AM

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cinder karma What mods

I have no idea, you're right

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this definitely has nothing to do with me knowing nothing about sdv modding

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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cinder karma What mods

The comment pre-edit was funnier

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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the beef programming language is surprisingly active

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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All I program in is rockstar

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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I kind of agree that modding is quite some distance from game dev. Although it is less distance than, say, enterprise dev or embedded systems is from game dev.

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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So I can be a rockstar developer while drinking rockstar

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:28 AM

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Hence why I said "some" and not "a lot"

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:30 AM

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I get weird when I have to think of pipelines that are of any length lol

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:31 AM

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AoC is coming up so normally it would nearly be time to pick some random funky programming language to force myself to use for it

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probably not this year

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:32 AM

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Woah, Beef lets you add extension variables to types?

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WANT

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 12:33 AM

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Someone actually made a language named Rockstar? Geez, we are a sad bunch sometimes...

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:33 AM

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Rockstar is seemingly everything

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it's a secondment/recruitment company here

devout vault Oct 31, 2024, 12:33 AM

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rotund violet Someone actually made a language named Rockstar? Geez, we are a sad bunch someti...

I mean, it looks like a joke language, not something serious...

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 12:34 AM

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unlike beef weirdly enough

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Oh, I assumed it was a joke/meme language. But as a joke/meme, it's still pretty on the nose.

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Dylan beattie is amazing

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Who?

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 12:35 AM

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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw0jj21rhfkMY8jE99M0Um85-l8MdOeAA&si=2F9Ac5YBogMVzopl

YouTube

Dylan Beattie's Tech Parodies

Classic songs, lovingly reworked and packed with stupid jokes about technology and software.

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(He made the Rockstar language as a joke. I also love his tech parodies)

supple ether Oct 31, 2024, 1:48 AM

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devout vault WANT

👀

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 4:45 AM

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ugh there's no way to create a reference in python?

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the most i can find is weakref

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 5:54 AM

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A reference in python is just a... variable? Python doesn't really distinguish between value and reference types.

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 6:02 AM

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nvm

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 7:20 AM

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alright spent way too long making something silly. here's out vars in python

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patching.get_out_var is surprisingly little code for the couple hours it took to write. was a lot of fun though, so idm at all!

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2 out vars

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it also returns the actual return value for the function

tender heath Oct 31, 2024, 2:28 PM

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So we're getting ready for the 1.6 update for console and mobile, what are some things I can do to prepare?

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 2:30 PM

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This is the part of the discord that pretends stardew doesn't exist

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Half the time

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Try asking #archived-update-spoilers

halcyon viper Oct 31, 2024, 2:39 PM

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Y'all got any leetcode tips?

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I suck at DP

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 4:40 PM

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never did them tbh

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 4:45 PM

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candid pilot 2 out vars

don't think it depends on anything else custom.

requirements.txt:

bytecode==0.16.0

imports:

import bytecode
import bytecode.bytecode as bc
from collections.abc import Iterable

📎 py_out_vars.py

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 4:50 PM

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What's the benefit of doing that?

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 4:58 PM

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it allows you to get the final state of a variable when the function finishes running. It allows you to pass arguments and get their state no matter the changes the function does on them. It works like the whole out var thing in C# but it's more complicated bc python sucks

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 5:01 PM

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when do you use out variables

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I'm not particularly fond of them

lethal walrus Oct 31, 2024, 5:04 PM

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safe dragon when do you use out variables

used a lot in dictionary lookups iirc

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like getting a value out of one

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:04 PM

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mhm. and they're useful in harmony patches in C# too

worn remnant Oct 31, 2024, 5:04 PM

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the Collection.TryGet pattern uses them a lot

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 5:04 PM

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they're nice for like Try[Something] functions yeah

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:04 PM

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I think in py u would normally just return all the values in a tuple

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Dynamic typing blobcatgooglyblep

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:05 PM

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rain apex I think in py u would normally just return all the values in a tuple

that's what this does, regardless of if the function actually returns them

worn remnant Oct 31, 2024, 5:05 PM

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you can return tuples and structs and so on in C# but i sometimes do a TryGet-style bool with an out var

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Yeah but u can't return tuples of arbitrary type and length

worn remnant Oct 31, 2024, 5:06 PM

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it's all vibes. what do i feel like doing today? i don't have a ton of style rules

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:06 PM

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same

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:06 PM

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So doing optional out is kind of eh

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Also the whole boxing thing confuses me LilyDerp

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:06 PM

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rain apex Yeah but u can't return tuples of arbitrary type and length

wdym?

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:07 PM

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In python it's valid to have return "thing", 1 and return False, "foo", 3 in same function

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Whether this is good style is different discussion but it is a lot more flexible than c# tuple/struct

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 5:09 PM

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rain apex Yeah but u can't return tuples of arbitrary type and length

Rust wins again
I love discriminated unions raaaahh

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:10 PM

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I shud do aoc with rust this year

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:10 PM

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yeah. this one just adds references to the arguments mentioned in the function call, builds a tuple, and returns it. the actual return value of the function is the first item in the tuple, the rest are the specified out vars in order

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 5:10 PM

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My last attempt at rust project was years ago and it didn't go very well tbh

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possibly because the attempt was based on a previous py project so there was a lot of bolbwaitwhat as I attempted to translate the design

ivory shadow Oct 31, 2024, 5:13 PM

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Returning a tuple is slower than an out parameter last I recall, in c#

candid pilot Oct 31, 2024, 5:39 PM

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ok now you can return false to stop the execution of the rest of the function

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 5:49 PM

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rain apex I shud do aoc with rust this year

I did it in rust last year!

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with the added goal of having a total runtime of all days combined under 1 second

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ended up at like 350ms I think

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could not have done it without the rayon crate

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aka the parallel iteration crate

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 5:52 PM

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my last AOC was 2021 and I did entirely in rust
(well, almost entirely, I did it up to day 18, after which the actual holidays started and I never bothered again. then I kinda just stopped lmao)

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 6:01 PM

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the AoC special

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Rayon is amazing

sand frost Oct 31, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Is rayon a programming language or a yarn? 😆

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Not a language

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https://docs.rs/rayon/latest/rayon/

rayon - Rust

Rayon is a data-parallelism library that makes it easy to convert sequential computations into parallel.

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:11 PM

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it's so good

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:12 PM

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Based on cilk

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https://cilk.mit.edu/publications/

OpenCilk

Publications

OpenCilk seeks to provide quality open-source parallel-programming software and support services for the benefit of application programmers and computer-science researchers.

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:13 PM

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oh good a different programming language

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 6:14 PM

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its what the people want

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:14 PM

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it's true

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always need a fresh supply of new languages to sacrifice to the AoC gods

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I've been waiting for 2 years for the Roc programming language to have its first versioned release so I can try it out for AoC

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alas

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I still see them completely change some fundamental bit of syntax every once in a while

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Cilk is a c/++ runtime?

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I doubt I'll have time this year to do it well but I'll try for something I guess

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:22 PM

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I probably won't have much time

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considering I start at my new job tomorrow

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 6:25 PM

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starting on a friday

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two days to recover if its a rough day

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:27 PM

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Hmm

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What about zig

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I've always wanted to do a polyglot but that takes time I don't have

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Polyglot us when you pick a different language each day

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 6:31 PM

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I still feel like Zig is the CoffeeScript of systems languages, thinking it is so much cleverer than it is and suffering from a constant inferiority complex over Big Brother Rust, but I'm waiting for history to prove me wrong.

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 6:32 PM

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For me, AOC is taking a language out for a test drive

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Also I don't have mods to maintain anymore

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Life is good

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:39 PM

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pliant snow starting on a friday

yeah

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really just starting on the first work day of the month

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which happens to be a friday

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 6:43 PM

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cinder karma For me, AOC is taking a language out for a test drive

that's also what I prefer really but I don't think I will have the time or energy this time

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but maybe

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maybe I'm wrong and my new job is super chill

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:00 PM

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zig might be interesting to look at... everyone loves it

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may i recommend the geat Nim language to anyone

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:02 PM

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you may

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:02 PM

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a taker i see

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an enlightened soul

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:03 PM

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oh I wouldn't go that far

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you just may recommend it

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who knows

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maybe I will use nim

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:05 PM

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im looking at the zig syntax and it doesnt immediately win me over

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:13 PM

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gotta love a language that's interesting but with a syntax I just dislike

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 7:14 PM

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My impression is that it's kinda Rust-but-not-really. I don't see any other problems (granted I haven't coded any serious programs with it)

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:16 PM

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I think it's for C users who want a better syntax but only want to live in low level world

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:21 PM

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there's a whole category of programming languages that comes down to "C/C++ but hopefully better"

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most blatantly probably Carbon which just calls itself an experimental C++ successor

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:24 PM

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what if they just make c std lib itself better

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Carbon is designed to be a straght up drop in C++ replacement yeah

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Im not sure that inspires confidence

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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ther's only so much you can do to make a language better when everything that already exists needs to continue to work

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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The Typescript to C++'s Javascript

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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nah

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Better than C++, but still has to support all of C++

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Carbon has no intention to support c++ syntax

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 7:25 PM

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the analogy's flawed, but the idea is bidirectional interop

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:26 PM

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you can't do what you can do with typescript where you just change the extension name and bam it works

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:26 PM

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i thought typescript gets transpiled back to js first

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 7:26 PM

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yeah, the idea is that you gradually swap carbon modules into in your current cpp project

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:27 PM

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rain apex i thought typescript gets transpiled back to js first

unless you use the deno runtime, yes

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I have no stake in what all these C++ "successors" are trying to do but I will watch it from a distance

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I have never used C++ or C and I probably never will outside of just messing around in my free time

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:29 PM

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my experience with C++ has mostly been in cmake

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whyyounolink.png

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:30 PM

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that's one thing that stopped me last time I wanted to try C++ due to some library. I couldn't even figure out how to make a C++ project with that library

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there's like a lot of competing build tool things

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but I didn't have the energy or time to figure out how the fuck C++ manages dependencies

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:31 PM

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well if ur on windows then u can just use microsoft's stuff for c++

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:31 PM

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I am not

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:32 PM

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then cmake with g++ or clang

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:32 PM

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my only experience building C++ projects is being told to run some command with like cmake or ninja or whatever and then I spend 15 years of my life waiting for it to compile

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it's mental how slow C++ things compile. When I install something from the AUR and realize it's building some C++ project I'm often tempted to just stop it

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:33 PM

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wheres the xkcd

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:33 PM

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compiling the entire cosmic desktop in rust took less time than building some random ass third party minecraft launcher one time

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:33 PM

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and rust isnt even that quick

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:34 PM

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nope

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one of the biggest complaints people have about rust is its compilation times

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but at least in my experience C++ makes it looks extremely fast by comparison

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idk if I could configure something to make the AUR use mold as the linker

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presumably that would help a lot

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:36 PM

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symlink ldd to mold

safe dragon Oct 31, 2024, 7:37 PM

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that sounds like a great idea and nothing would ever go wrong

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:37 PM

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im sure the owners made them compatible in that way

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I do have sudo symlinked to doas because why not

rain apex Oct 31, 2024, 7:39 PM

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what r the pratical implication of that

pliant snow Oct 31, 2024, 7:56 PM

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so i dont have to have sudo installed but yet scripts that want it can still have it (so long as they dont use some flags, which most dont)

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why does microsoft teams insist on having some Markdown spec that only they use, drives me nuts

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 7:58 PM

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fleet wren The Typescript to C++'s Javascript

I think that's what D was supposed to be (it wasn't a smashing success).

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CMake definitely has to be my least favorite build tool ever.

fleet wren Oct 31, 2024, 9:54 PM

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didnt D had a GC
that kinda makes it not really a C++ successor right

rotund violet Oct 31, 2024, 10:19 PM

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I understood it to be some weird hybrid, where there is GC but you have some level of control over it, and can explicitly free objects, use RAII style, etc.

cinder karma Oct 31, 2024, 11:18 PM

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Interesting

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 1:54 AM

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https://youtu.be/Namf-Ddo_Xo?si=VM45ME5j-oTTomFn

YouTube

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I bought a freeze dryer so you don't have to

Just understand what you're signing up for.
links 'n' stuff

Technology Connextras (the second channel where I put stuff sometimes)
https://www.youtube.com/@TechnologyConnextras

Technology Connections on Bluesky:
https://bsky.app/profile/techconnectify.bsky.social

Technology Connections on Mastodon:
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The nerd posted again!

rain apex Nov 1, 2024, 2:33 AM

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oh thats the machine which makes the tasty freeze dried durian DokkanStare

leaden marsh Nov 1, 2024, 2:42 AM

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I really want to try durian

sand frost Nov 1, 2024, 2:45 AM

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they sell frozen durian at costco

rain apex Nov 1, 2024, 2:47 AM

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wait you never had durian bolbphase

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i don't like the actual fruit very much (it's squishy) but i enjoy various derivatives

leaden marsh Nov 1, 2024, 3:08 AM

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rain apex wait you never had durian <:bolbphase:602972346407583744>

I recently tried a pastry with durian, but I didn't really feel like I got the whole experience

rain apex Nov 1, 2024, 3:12 AM

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that is true it is less intense when mixed with other stuff

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i feel like durian is fairly common in asian supermarkets tho, usually sold as just the flesh rather than whole thing

leaden marsh Nov 1, 2024, 3:36 AM

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It was out at my local Asian market (or maybe the delivery service refused to bring it)

uncut seal Nov 1, 2024, 4:09 AM

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Where the hell does that come from?! I need preview features enabled to make an abstract static interface method, and it worked for literal months, but today everything is red after a sudo dnf update, and I have no idea what packages I have to up/downgrade to fix this

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nvmd, .Net Install tools VSC extension wasn't activated for some reason...

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Nope, didn't fix it, still red

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:12 AM

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This is why I never update anything.

uncut seal Nov 1, 2024, 4:14 AM

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Ok, so a dotnet build (unsuccessful because I have a bunch of WIP methods) fixed the include errors, but now data structures like List and Dictionary don't exist

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also this

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:16 AM

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Is that a lambda arrow =>? It looks like some crazy Unicode arrow.

uncut seal Nov 1, 2024, 4:17 AM

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rotund violet Is that a lambda arrow `=>`? It looks like some crazy Unicode arrow.

yes, I have a font with ligatures

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Ok, I had deleted Implicit Usings in the csproj by mistake, everything seems fine now

supple ether Nov 1, 2024, 2:53 PM

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uncut seal yes, I have a font with ligatures

Firacode?

uncut seal Nov 1, 2024, 2:54 PM

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honestly don't remember, lemme check

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yup that's it

supple ether Nov 1, 2024, 2:54 PM

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Yeah that's what I use too

fleet wren Nov 1, 2024, 3:36 PM

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Same

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I looked into one other font with ligatures and it looked nice but it wasn't free, so FiraCode it is

rain apex Nov 1, 2024, 3:38 PM

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say is there ligature for += and -=

pliant snow Nov 1, 2024, 3:42 PM

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it's funny how people are either 100% on board with ligatures, or hate them

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i personally dont like them at all lol

uncut seal Nov 1, 2024, 3:50 PM

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i like comparators and arrows, but there are some that I'd like to disable but it seems like I would have to get special font editing software to do that

worn remnant Nov 1, 2024, 3:54 PM

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i like ligatures just fine for typesetting, but i am fully against them for code

fleet wren Nov 1, 2024, 3:54 PM

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my tolerance for ligatures may have something to do with my math major background

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(that was a lie. It was back in high school. it has nothing to do with it. I like pretty symbols)

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 3:56 PM

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I hate ligatures

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 3:57 PM

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They're pretty great for putting icons into content, docs, etc. Don't think I'd want to use one in my code editor though, I need to see what's really there.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:30 PM

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first day at new job is over

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my life escaping outlook and SharePoint have come to an end

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Meaning, you can no longer escape them and are stuck with them? Or you no longer have to spend time escaping them?

supple ether Nov 1, 2024, 4:36 PM

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I used to hate ligatures but they've grown on me

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:36 PM

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rotund violet Meaning, you can no longer escape them and are stuck with them? Or you no longer...

I now have to use them

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Aw man, now you and Atra are going to be back and forth for hours about the evils of SharePoint...

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Outlook isn't really so bad in a corporate setting, at least. I'd never allow it into my home, but in an office? Eh.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:38 PM

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I'm hoping I won't see it very much

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as far as Microsoft programs go I think the one I will become painfully familiar with is Microsoft Access

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not to develop in but to look at to figure out what its replacement needs to do

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Access upgrades fairly easily into SQL Server as long as there isn't too much Forms BS.

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If they used Access to build the GUI, then... yeah, better make sure the coffee machine is in good repair.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:50 PM

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it's all gui, the database is oracle

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hc_pensive

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it was a very slow application

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at least I won't develop for it

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in fact they haven't developed for it in like 2 years

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:52 PM

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They used Access to build just the GUI? Nuts.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:53 PM

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yeah

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:54 PM

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I just wonder what the exchange was like in the room where they made that decision. "We just spent a million dollars (Euros, whatever) on Oracle licenses and consulting, what should we use to build the UI? How about this cheap, ugly, slow, and generally awful Microsoft app that you get for free with Excel?"

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:55 PM

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idk it happened 30 years ago

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they used excel before that I believe

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:56 PM

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I would build a time machine to stop 30-years-ago me from making that decision.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 4:56 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if they only reason they use access is that it lets you copy paste from excel

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that's future me's problem

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API work has priority

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enterprise never fails to surprise me

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 4:59 PM

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If they knew how to make smart decisions, you'd be out of a job.

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 6:53 PM

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I just wish the bean counters would tell me what half this shit means

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Fucking accounting lol

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At my last place they didn't make engineers do accounting lol

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We just bought shit and someone else figured out what category it went in

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 7:45 PM

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who makes engineers do accounting

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that’s just a bad idea

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they’re gonna fuck it up

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and then you’re just going to end up having to get people to fix all the mistakes

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I had to do a course in bookkeeping for my previous job since we had to write a lot of procedures around journalizing transactions, handling invoices etc

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miserable stuff to do I’ll be honest

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Exactly

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Well

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The accountants will yell at me on Monday probably

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 8:03 PM

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something to look forward to

ivory shadow Nov 1, 2024, 8:16 PM

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Get revenge. Make the accountants program something.

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 8:17 PM

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That might be unwise. Someone might have to use that program someday.

ivory shadow Nov 1, 2024, 8:18 PM

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It'll be fine as long as you don't put "temporary" in the name in any form.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 8:40 PM

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never call something a proof of concept

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been there

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proof of concepts are only that till a client is interested

rain apex Nov 1, 2024, 8:41 PM

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what do u call it instead

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 8:41 PM

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and then your cobbled together terrible proof of concept becomes the real product

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 8:41 PM

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rain apex what do u call it instead

you don't

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be exceptionally vague about what it even does

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really I've just learnt that depending on your company's culture you just should never build something with the idea that it's a proof of concept

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build as if it's going to be a real product immediately

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go in with the expectation that whatever shit you just wrote will actually go live someday

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Mockups in pencil sketch and comic sans style are an OK way to get started. Normies understand visuals only; if it looks like a half-assed prototype then they'll treat it as one.

safe dragon Nov 1, 2024, 8:58 PM

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just copy paste the Figma design into your code

rotund violet Nov 1, 2024, 9:59 PM

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lol, the demo is literally a screenshot, complete with redlines.

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Even better, take a photo with your phone, then paste that into the prototype.

thin estuary Nov 1, 2024, 10:40 PM

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hey, let's say a game that currently uses MonoGame switches to FNA, while the MG version of it already had a modloader and mods built for it. do you think it would cause any problems? like, broken assembly references?

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 10:41 PM

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Yes

thin estuary Nov 1, 2024, 10:43 PM

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so both FNA and MG pretending to be XNA doesn't matter in this case at all?

devout vault Nov 1, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Maybe you can glean something from this page (outside of broken assembly references)? https://fna-xna.github.io/docs/appendix/Appendix-D%3A-MonoGame/

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Admittedly I don't see a lot useful in this context

thin estuary Nov 1, 2024, 10:49 PM

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i don't think i'm too worried about feature cross-compatibility

devout vault Nov 1, 2024, 10:49 PM

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There's probably a few small API differences

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 10:55 PM

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Actually I'm not sure anymore

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Gotta test that, I assumed it would matter

thin estuary Nov 1, 2024, 11:10 PM

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yeah, i assume they sharing the namespaces only helps if you rebuild everything, but otherwise would still cause problems

cinder karma Nov 1, 2024, 11:10 PM

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Right yes

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The assembly name matters

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Maybe if you lied about the assembly name

thin estuary Nov 1, 2024, 11:13 PM

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...would i have to rewrite FNA libs with Cecil to identify as MonoGame libs? rofl

devout vault Nov 1, 2024, 11:38 PM

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You could add compat rewriters to this other game's mod loader too

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For the mods themselves

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Definitely doable, that's what my original prototype back in Farmhand days did (in addition to Windows vs Mac/Linux SDV assembly name fixing)

ivory shadow Nov 3, 2024, 4:44 PM

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In unrelated C# stuff, I am baffled by this exception I've gotten from a non-Stardew modding project. I hope the user who reported this to me gives me more information soon because, in general, what the fuck lol System.AccessViolationException: Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt. at Interop.BCrypt.BCryptHash(UIntPtr hAlgorithm, Byte* pbSecret, Int32 cbSecret, Byte* pbInput, Int32 cbInput, Byte* pbOutput, Int32 cbOutput) at System.Security.Cryptography.HashProviderDispenser.OneShotHashProvider.HashDataUsingPseudoHandle(String hashAlgorithmId, ReadOnlySpan`1 source, ReadOnlySpan`1 key, Boolean isHmac, Span`1 destination, Int32& hashSize) at System.Security.Cryptography.HashProviderDispenser.OneShotHashProvider.HashData(String hashAlgorithmId, ReadOnlySpan`1 source, Span`1 destination) at System.Security.Cryptography.SHA256.HashData(ReadOnlySpan`1 source, Span`1 destination) at System.Security.Cryptography.SHA256.HashData(ReadOnlySpan`1 source) at System.Security.Cryptography.SHA256.HashData(Byte[] source) at WTSync.Helpers.ToSha256(String input) in /work/repo/Helpers.cs:line 30
Relevant method: ```csharp
internal static string ToSha256(this string input) {
if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(input))
return string.Empty;

    byte[] buffer = Encoding.UTF8.GetBytes(input);
    byte[] digest = SHA256.HashData(buffer);

    return BitConverter.ToString(digest).Replace("-", string.Empty);
}

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I'm assuming that they're running in a weird environment like proton on Linux and there's funky memory stuff happening that I just have no control over.

safe dragon Nov 3, 2024, 4:48 PM

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that’s odd

rain apex Nov 3, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Aren't these all C# builtins

ivory shadow Nov 3, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Yes, they are.

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I'm probably just going to swap to the older API that calls SHA256Managed even though it's not nearly as elegant. Since it isn't calling an external API like bcrypt, it'll hopefully not do... whatever is happening here, lol

safe dragon Nov 3, 2024, 4:51 PM

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it definitely feels like an error that’s more like something completely unrelated broke and it happened to result in an error here

ivory shadow Nov 3, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Also I should mention that the string it's hashing can't be longer than 42 characters, so there's not any funky bcrypt-can't-handle-big-strings stuff happening.

rotund violet Nov 3, 2024, 5:51 PM

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ivory shadow In unrelated C# stuff, I am baffled by this exception I've gotten from a non-Sta...

It's not related to this particular error, but I managed to get an access violation in C# with some bad IL generation yesterday.

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If I had to guess, I'd say there's something very fishy about the string going in, perhaps a pointer that has been unsafely cast to a string.

ivory shadow Nov 3, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Yeah, I've had thoughts that it's related to the string being weird, but on the other hand, wouldn't it then be Encoding.UTF8.GetBytes that throws? Very odd.

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I'm like 99% sure it's a proton bug at this point. I have 1-2k users of this mod and only this one report. And the user who reported it has rustlang repos on their github.

rotund violet Nov 3, 2024, 6:14 PM

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Does Encoding use Span in the current versions?

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It might not allocate a new array.

ivory shadow Nov 3, 2024, 10:35 PM

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ivory shadow I'm assuming that they're running in a weird environment like proton on Linux an...

We have a winner. They just replied to reveal that they're using Wine GE 8.26 on Arch Linux.

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~~World's only arch linux user to miss an opportunity to tell us they use arch~~

safe dragon Nov 3, 2024, 10:38 PM

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as an arch user I'm not surprised

oblique sable Nov 4, 2024, 7:51 PM

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I just got iridium for the first time, what do i do with it first?

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Bruh wrong channel

pliant snow Nov 4, 2024, 7:54 PM

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That is off topic to SDV modding.... it might be allowed

rain apex Nov 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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nah iridium is also a switch xnb manager making it on topic \lh

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 9:10 PM

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it's also just a chemical element which makes it a good topic for this nerdy place

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iridium seems to ahve a pretty good number of uses

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including a form of radiation therapy

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though idk what you'd do with it at home...

fleet wren Nov 4, 2024, 9:18 PM

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apparently the most corrosion resistant metal

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 9:21 PM

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clearly we should coat every boat and bridge in iridium

pliant snow Nov 4, 2024, 9:21 PM

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should coat ourselves in iridium

sonic mirage Nov 4, 2024, 9:25 PM

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iridium ring making a lot more sense suddenly

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Iridium is used in certain battery technologies

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I don't remember why but someone told me once "it's the best element for this application"

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Lack of corrosion

rotund violet Nov 4, 2024, 10:22 PM

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I swear, every single goddamn Windows update... this time, Microsoft helpfully decided for me that I want Edge to open automatically every time I boot up. Because I'll Get To Browsing Faster!

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:24 PM

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Today we hate printers

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:28 PM

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cinder karma Today we hate printers

I think that is a permanent thing

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:28 PM

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rotund violet I swear, every single goddamn Windows update... this time, Microsoft helpfully d...

oh that's nice

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I've now had to learn teams and I gotta ask why it launches so extremely slowly

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it somehow boots up several times slower than anything else on the system

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:29 PM

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IT is currently trying to figure out why it takes 40+min to print a 1.47mb/35 page pdf

rotund violet Nov 4, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Restart the printer?

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:30 PM

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is it a really intricate color print

rotund violet Nov 4, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Works for me sometimes.

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:31 PM

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printers are an enigma

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:31 PM

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It is not a very intricate color print

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:32 PM

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it's just having a case of Mondays

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:33 PM

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I'm having a case of the mondays

leaden marsh Nov 4, 2024, 10:37 PM

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Stardew is having a case of the Mondays

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Well, today's the day for having a case of the Mondays, being Monday!

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:48 PM

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it's only Monday for 12 more minutes

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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wdym clearly it's monday for 6 hrs 12 min more 😛

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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smh

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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My printer seems to be ignoring me now

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We have downgraded from "takes 30 minutes to print"

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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printers are full of demons

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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this seems to be a toxic relationship

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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To "only prints the first page for some reason."

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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had to stop a Zoom call recently so I could print over wifi

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Since with Zoom call running I guess it didn't have enough wifis

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:50 PM

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but does it print the first page 30 times

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:50 PM

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I do not know how wifis work, this is solely a conclusion based on observation

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:50 PM

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that shouldn't make sense but printers are mysterious beasts

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 10:51 PM

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the minute I hopped off the zoom it printed

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:52 PM

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I don't own a printer and it's better that way

cinder karma Nov 4, 2024, 10:52 PM

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This is the work printer

safe dragon Nov 4, 2024, 10:53 PM

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unfortunately it's considered bad practice to throw away the work printer

rotund violet Nov 4, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I really wasn't joking about rebooting the printer. Mine often eats print jobs until it's rebooted.

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 11:01 PM

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Mine never does that, but I have to wrestle the wifi for a little bit first a lot of the time

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I really like my printer actually, it's been a solid companion

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I got it during covid and it's been with me through several moves, long periods of neglect, and only infrequent toner replacement

rotund violet Nov 4, 2024, 11:02 PM

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This one's got a lot of literal scuff marks. Not sure how they got on a printer.

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Protip: If you have a choice in printer colors, don't get white.

sand frost Nov 4, 2024, 11:03 PM

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I did not have a choice but luckily my not-choice was grey and black

regal ingot Nov 4, 2024, 11:49 PM

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rotund violet This one's got a lot of literal scuff marks. Not sure how they got on a printer.

Michael Bolton had words with it

pine tusk Nov 5, 2024, 2:32 AM

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I hate printers

jade sphinx Nov 5, 2024, 7:23 AM

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Is there any mobile mod for gold?

lethal walrus Nov 5, 2024, 8:02 AM

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jade sphinx Is there any mobile mod for gold?

#1272025932932055121

fleet oriole Nov 5, 2024, 10:44 AM

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Is there a way to tell ILSpy to not use ternerary operators? (cause they are not super readable when there are like a million nested ones!)

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string text = (housemate ? ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Housemate_Female") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Housemate_Male")) : (isCurrentSpouse ? ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Wife") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Husband")) : (entry.IsMarriedToAnyone() ? ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\UI:SocialPage_Relationship_MarriedToOtherPlayer_FemaleNpc") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\UI:SocialPage_Relationship_MarriedToOtherPlayer_MaleNpc")) : ((!Game1.player.isMarriedOrRoommates() && isDating) ? ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Girlfriend") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Boyfriend")) : ((!entry.IsDivorcedFromCurrentPlayer()) ? ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Single_Female") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_Single_Male")) : ((gender == Gender.Female) ? Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_ExWife") : Game1.content.LoadString("Strings\\StringsFromCSFiles:SocialPage_Relationship_ExHusband")))))));
        ```
Like, I don't know if this is the most ternerary thing ever, but it's likely up there!

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 1:17 PM

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this isn't even ternary operators anymore this is evil

pliant snow Nov 5, 2024, 1:25 PM

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gotta keep rechecking if their gender is female, wouldnt want to save that off

night estuary Nov 5, 2024, 2:44 PM

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How to edit? this problame?

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 2:45 PM

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#1272025932932055121

shadow wing Nov 5, 2024, 4:40 PM

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https://fxtwitter.com/zack_overflow/status/1853494692169896361

💬 883 🔁 3.0K ❤️ 28.8K 👁️ 1.19M

Revamped the gratuitous explosions and particle effects to the code editor I'm building And added sound effects! (Sound on!)

zack (in SF) (@zack_overflow)

Revamped the gratuitous explosions and particle effects to the code editor I'm building

And added sound effects!

(Sound on!)

▶ Play video

pliant snow Nov 5, 2024, 4:41 PM

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lol what

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 4:44 PM

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i love it. i wouldn't use it (or maybe i would turn it down some), but i love it

shadow wing Nov 5, 2024, 4:55 PM

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me deleting my bad code:

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 4:58 PM

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it's like neovide's funky animated cursor but 10 times more flashy

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:12 PM

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shadow wing me deleting my bad code:

Me deleting my bad code:

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:13 PM

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clean code

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:27 PM

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Me after deleting all my bad code:

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(all my code is good)

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(Though that file in particular is the end of the decompiled Game1.cs from a few versions ago - I don't have any 16.5k line files)

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:28 PM

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shame

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10k+ line files are my favorite

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 5:31 PM

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just merge your whole repo into one file

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:31 PM

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I don't really think my entire codebase for the API I'll be working on in the next few months will reach 10k lines

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 5:32 PM

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are you allowed to put two classes into one file?

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 5:33 PM

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In most languages yeah

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:34 PM

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files/folders are just a convention for organization. In C# you can write your whole program in a single file, and not even use classes at all.

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 5:35 PM

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Got it

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Making all the code on magnetic tape

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:36 PM

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C# people do love putting every single class in their own file though

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Best I have is a 6,500 line file

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:45 PM

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ivory shadow Best I have is a 6,500 line file

Too much, every two lines of code should have their own abstraction

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:47 PM

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no method should ever have more than three lines of code or it's not clean

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 5:51 PM

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change that to "levels of indentation" and i almost agree with it

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:51 PM

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that would be a somewhat reasonable idea

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I don't like it

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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(i do also think that "good code" and "clean code" are false ideals. working code is good code)

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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my code needs unhealthy amounts of margin from the left side, it's a security blanket \s

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 5:53 PM

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obviously that's oversimplifying and there's room to get rid of shlemiels and make things easier to understand (indentation!) and so on

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:53 PM

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maintainable comprehensible working code is good code...

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I have seen some terrifying but technically functional code

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:53 PM

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safe dragon C# people do love putting every single class in their own file though

I must not be a C# person 😱

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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yup

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you're not gratz

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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worn remnant change that to "levels of indentation" and i almost agree with it

Time to bring this controversy back

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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I bet you don't even define an interface for absolutely everything you make regardless of whether you have even the slightest intention of doing anything with it

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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"Object Calisthenics" https://williamdurand.fr/2013/06/03/object-calisthenics/

William Durand

Object Calisthenics

Object Calisthenics are 9 steps to better software design today.

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:55 PM

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one dot per line would be one brutal restriction for object oriented languages

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:55 PM

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Here's one of SpaceCore's files - I have a bad habit of sometimes (often, lately, for mods) using files as namespaces

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Admittedly the vast majority of those classes are annotation based harmony patches

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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safe dragon one dot per line would be one brutal restriction for object oriented languages

It's a rule specifically intended for languages like C# and Java

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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safe dragon I bet you don't even define an interface for absolutely everything you make rega...

What's an interface /s

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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marble jewel It's a rule specifically intended for languages like C# and Java

but why

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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The example given:

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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list.All(x => x.IsValid)
oh no you did a crime

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:57 PM

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It's not well-received advise, and most people agree it goes to an extreme that is not beneficial

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However, it was a hot-topic in programming years ago

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:58 PM

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always fun

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 5:58 PM

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isnt this gonna inflate the callstack

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 5:58 PM

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we do love our nearly arbitrarily chosen laws to restrict ourselves to

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:58 PM

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rain apex isnt this gonna inflate the callstack

Yeah, one of the criticisms is that it results in a bunch of abstractions in a bunch of small classes/methods

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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If a callstack is less than one hundred methods deep, I don't want to see it

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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making this instance private ensures that you won't try to do something bad
i would like you to meet my friend crimes

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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I mean look at this rule

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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safe dragon one dot per line would be one brutal restriction for object oriented languages

I prefer to have two dots per line

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I just newline

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And align the dots

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Forever

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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marble jewel I mean look at this rule

"Why not?" is certainly one of the arguments of all time

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 5:59 PM

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I'll also bring back this old video https://youtu.be/gyrSiY4SHxI?si=VMbxXtowOFSIfj5O

YouTube

Nick Chapsas

9 "rules" for cleaner code | Object Calisthenics

Become a Patreon and get source code access: https://www.patreon.com/nickchapsas
Check out my courses: https://dometrain.com

Hello everybody I'm Nick and in this video I am going to cover a ruleset called Object Calisthenics. Object Calisthenics was defined by Jeff Bay in his The Thoughtworks Anthology book and it defines 9 different rules that...

▶ Play video

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A sensible take on the rules

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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thing
  .NestedObject
  .EvenMoreNestedObject
  .EvenMoreMoreNestedObject

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clean

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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Correct

leaden marsh Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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safe dragon ```cs thing .NestedObject .EvenMoreNestedObject .EvenMoreMoreNestedObject ...

netfields

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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Rust tells me to do thar

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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~~This is your brain on OO~~

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:00 PM

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leaden marsh netfields

That is suspiciously on topic

leaden marsh Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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cinder karma That is suspiciously on topic

i forgot where i was, my bad

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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I already write code like that at times. Stuff like csharp builder.Group() .Texture( skill.SkillsPageIcon, skill.SkillsPageIcon.Bounds, scale: 3, align: Alignment.VCenter ) .Space(false, 4) .Text(label, align: Alignment.VCenter) .EndGroup();

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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safe dragon ```cs thing .NestedObject .EvenMoreNestedObject .EvenMoreMoreNestedObject ...

I like to do that type of thing for things like... can't remember the pattern name, but like new MethodParams().SetA(123).SetB(456).DoC()

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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marble jewel I mean look at this rule

imagining separating all my classes into nested boxes and then only using one dot per line and ascending meditatively into the sun

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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New dot, new line. It works sometimes. But making it a hard rule is stupid lol

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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fluent api's

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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ivory shadow I already write code like that at times. Stuff like ```csharp builder.Group() ...

This makes me think of the theoretical GMCM 2.0 design

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:02 PM

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fluent api's my beloved

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I shall write the entire codebase as a long string of extension method calls

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:02 PM

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Dangerously close to on topic, but: https://gist.github.com/spacechase0/da17e6700cfaca63fd146bec230df292

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:03 PM

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setting aside the particulars of this calisthenics thing, in my opinion the actual crime he commits is using "clean" to describe "a thing i personally find appealing or useful"

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:03 PM

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(I wish gist let you search your gists, that was kinda painful to find)

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:03 PM

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That is like half fluent at best, lol

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:03 PM

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Oh yeah I realize it's not fully there

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But it's closer than the current gmcm design 😛

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Also I just spotted a syntax error, huh

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:04 PM

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"Blah blah blah" )

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:04 PM

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Yep

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Why explain your mod config when you put filler text

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I call dibs on lorem ipsum

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And a large variety of meows

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:04 PM

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worn remnant setting aside the particulars of this calisthenics thing, in my opinion the actu...

To be fair, I don't think the original concept used the word "clean" but they did use the word "better" which is probably just as bad

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:05 PM

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Lorem ipsum is old news I use the bee movie script

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:05 PM

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Ah, you know what? Fair

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:05 PM

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the entire bee movie script?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:05 PM

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Yes

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:05 PM

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marble jewel To be fair, I don't think the original concept used the word "clean" but they di...

Yeah who would use the word "Better" for something they make total weirdos

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:06 PM

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smh

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:06 PM

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marble jewel To be fair, I don't think the original concept used the word "clean" but they di...

"clean", "better", "immersive". all the same sin in my book

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Yeah, like, who defines immersive

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Merriam-Webster?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:06 PM

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I've been outplayed

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:07 PM

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leaden marsh i forgot where i was, my bad

Sorry. Netfields scare me

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:08 PM

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But they're all... eventually consistent and stuff. What's so scary about it

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:08 PM

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To be fair, that is how we use netfields in base game (and also in my mods that use new netfields)

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:08 PM

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ivory shadow But they're all... eventually consistent and stuff. What's so scary about it

Probably because how they work is a complicated mystery

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(I mean, I understand them, but most modders don't)

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:08 PM

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I know too much of the mystery at this point.

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:09 PM

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I know so much mystery I can predict mystery box contents

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:09 PM

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If I never have to fix NetMutex again it will be too soon.

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Wait, that's on topic, don't ban me

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:09 PM

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But if you get banned that means you can take a vacation right

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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worn remnant "clean", "better", "immersive". all the same sin in my book

is "worst" ok?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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ivory shadow But if you get banned that means you can take a vacation right

I mean, I'm already taking a modding break in theory

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Besides any major issues that pop up

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Why I'm still hanging out on the stardew server... good question

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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I found a copy of the source material online, and I think the way it was originally presented is less clickbaity than how it's been shared since then:
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Gentoomen Library/Programming/Pragmatic Programmers/The ThoughtWorks Anthology.pdf#page=70&zoom=auto,-325,418
Notably different - to me it reads more like a thought exercise. Like try these rules out to understand some concepts, but not really prescriptive as in you should actually do this IRL.

Do a simple project using far stricter coding standards than you’ve ever
used in your life. In this essay, you’ll find nine “rules of thumb” that
will help push you into writing code that is almost required to be object-
oriented. This will allow you to make better decisions and give you more
and better options when confronted with the problems of your day job.

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Because we're fun to talk to

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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devout vault Why I'm still hanging out on the stardew server... good question

because we're funny! and occasionally talk about cats?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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I can't remember the last time I saw a cat picture here

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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I think I'm the opposite of you — not on a break in theory, on a break in practice

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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(me having to click on the mathperson's every time I see it to remember which mathperson I'm talking to)

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I should be able to remember it based on quantum vs classical

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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Here's a cat

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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But I just had to click your name, so apparently not

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CAT

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:11 PM

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He's super fluffy

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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Very

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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Such a friendly cat

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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devout vault (me having to click on the mathperson's every time I see it to remember which ma...

Yeah?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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marble jewel Yeah?

I mean, yours still has some resemblence of your old name, not "adjective MathPerson". Also your color doesn't match the other two

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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Atra does quantum stuff, I do classical stuff 😛 and I'm the original Mathperson

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So it makes total sense

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:12 PM

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I know you're the original, it confused me so much when atra became quantum

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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devout vault I can't remember the last time I saw a cat picture here

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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CAT

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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What a pretty cat!

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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CatDetector

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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marble jewel I found a copy of the source material online, and I think the way it was origina...

fair play. thanks for sharing it

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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devout vault I mean, yours still has some resemblence of your old name, not "adjective MathPe...

Says the KittyCatPerson

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:13 PM

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Mine literally has my name, and also nobody else active is a kitty cat something

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:14 PM

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i have pfps visible and those haven't changed so i have not had much trouble distinguishing

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:14 PM

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which is super convenient when I want to search something up that you said

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I don't have pfps visible

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So even I get confused at a glance who's talking

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:14 PM

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I'm on compact mode

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:14 PM

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devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:15 PM

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No profile pictures for me, unless I'm on mobile

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ANOTHER CAT

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:15 PM

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I had to prove my namesake

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:15 PM

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marble jewel I had to prove my namesake

Not confusing enough, your name still starts with LeFaux

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And to be fair, I have a special role color

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I am boring I never change my name

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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It's very rare that I do

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Jammers and Developers have a pretty close color resemblance

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Matt is almost the same color as casey

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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sand frost is "worst" ok?

"worst" is fine, i would think. it's probably self-deprecating or a shitpost, so it's not asserting its own priors in the same way

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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More so on smaller servers, but I'm not really active much else than here right now

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I feel like Jammers are a blend between Developers and Modders

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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sand frost

Adorable

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Just wait till next April for Worse Crafting

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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I'll do my Worse Chests too

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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ivory shadow Just wait till next April for Worse Crafting

Darn, then I'll have to release Worser Crafting, won't I

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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every time you try to cook something, it picks the most expensive/hardest to find fish

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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sand frost which is super convenient when I want to search something up that you said

I have to check which mathperson is talking sometimes

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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devout vault Darn, then I'll have to release Worser Crafting, won't I

You need to do Worse Shop Menu

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:17 PM

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marble jewel I'll do my Worse Chests too

That's just the Dirt Chest from Minecraft modding.

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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a shop menu where all the prices are invisible

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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I'm going to make the Better SDV Mod Pack with any mod that uses the word Better in its name

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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marble jewel You need to do Worse Shop Menu

Brb making a mod where you can only see one item entry at a time, and when you press the button to view the next one it takes a full second to animate over

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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taking compact/no avatars for a spin and the confusion makes more sense in this mode

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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A shop menu where every time you buy an item the shop keeper has 3 seconds of dialogue and then the menu closes

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:18 PM

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I thought I turned on avatars in compact mode at one point SDVPufferThink

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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The prices have commas, but the commas are randomly placed

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10,00g

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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There, now it's enabled again

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No more confusing math people

worn remnant Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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devout vault I thought I turned on avatars in compact mode at one point <:SDVPufferThink:8436...

avatars are toggleable in Compact but i wanted to experience it without

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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The prices are in Zimbabwean dollar

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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everything is randomly slightly misaligned

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:19 PM

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(Not seen: a typo that used a different letter for math)

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(I said it directly but of course automod didn't like that)

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:20 PM

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Don't worry, people have asked me if I do math

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:20 PM

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devout vault (Not seen: a typo that used a different letter for math)

using System.Meth;

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:20 PM

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...how?

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I got an automod message when I typed that word SDVPufferThink

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I wonder if it didn't count it inside a `` block

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:21 PM

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I think Better Chests is done. I need to get into the "Even Better" game. That's where it's at.

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:21 PM

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"Slightly Worse" "About 10% Better"

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:21 PM

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Don't forget Redux

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Even Better Chests Redux Remastered, 1.6 edition

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:21 PM

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devout vault I got an automod message when I typed that word <:SDVPufferThink:843678442196566...

Looking at your previous message about "confusing math people" I assume context applied to automod.

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If that's where the typo was

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:21 PM

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Pretty Much the Same Chests. Reverts everything back to vanilla.

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:22 PM

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ivory shadow Looking at your previous message about "confusing math people" I assume context ...

Hmm, maybe

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:23 PM

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I have to say between this conversation and the work meeting I'm vaguely paying attention to, I am getting nothing done. (I guess I'm getting a meeting done, but that doesn't count.)

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:23 PM

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I'm on lunch break

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:24 PM

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I should be eating lunch

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:24 PM

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Me too

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:24 PM

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I didn't pack lunch today though, just a snack, so that means leaving the building

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Truly a daunting task

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:25 PM

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I've had lunch already, and I did early voting so I can't use that as an excuse to take a break.

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:25 PM

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Lunch, I had breakfast like 2 hours ago

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:26 PM

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sand frost

Who's the cat?

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:26 PM

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It's my mom's friend's cat

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:27 PM

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Matt you may be amused by a comment I got on BC earlier.

hi! SMAPI is telling me that this mod is unable to be added and I'm not sure why :<

      - Better Chests 2.18.3 because initialization failed:
System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: Unable to load one or more of the requested types.

Yes, that's right, these people still exist and comment on Nexus.

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:27 PM

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sand frost It's my mom's friend's cat

Adorable

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:28 PM

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ivory shadow Matt you may be amused by a comment I got on BC earlier. > hi! SMAPI is telling...

Time to start an organization, the concept of two mods having the same acronym and using the word Better is too confusing to people.

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:30 PM

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We need to start a whole series of mods. Better Coops. Better Clint. Better Caves. Better Crustaceans. Better Crops. Better Children. Better Controls. Better Cabins. Better ...

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Clearly we need to lump all the Better mods into a single mod called Better Stardew

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:31 PM

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I'll rename. Better is subjective anyway. A more accurate description would be Customizable Inventories.

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:31 PM

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The Glorious BC Empire

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:33 PM

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What about a single mod called Butter? Or Batter? Or Better Bitter Batter Butter Battle?

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:33 PM

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B[aeiou]tter

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Usign regex for your mod name is pretty common, right?

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:33 PM

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Batter Better Bitter Botter Butter

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:33 PM

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I don't think SDV has gotten into the elements game yet, there's a whole world of irrelevant things that mods can be named after

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:33 PM

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marble jewel I don't think SDV has gotten into the elements game yet, there's a whole world o...

Got it

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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I call dibs on Titanium

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Someone should release a mod called iridium

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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I was just about to say

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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It will claim to reduce lag

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It will do nothing

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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My next Better Chest mod will just be called Radon

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Just start at the beginning of the periodic table and name each consecutive mod a new element

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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I like how quantum and classical Mathperson is the same length

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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That'll work unless you become aedenthorn

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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shouldnt sdv be produce themed

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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devout vault Just start at the beginning of the periodic table and name each consecutive mod ...

You'll get through all of them in two years

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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cinder karma I like how quantum and classical Mathperson is the same length

That hasn't helped my confusion 😛

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Sodium for SDV

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:35 PM

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rain apex shouldnt sdv be produce themed

It's all the same dmn plant

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:35 PM

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devout vault That hasn't helped my confusion 😛

I think we're doing it intentionally

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Right, MathPerson?

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But it'll stop working once our names are different colors

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:37 PM

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pick your next mod name from here https://applerankings.com

Apple Rankings by The Appleist Brian Frange

Home - Apple Rankings by The Appleist Brian Frange - Comedian Brian...

The industry-standard, definitive, inarguable guide to ranking and reviewing munching apples. Curated by comedian Brian Frange.

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:37 PM

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hmm Butter Chests, a place to store my 4 Butters

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:39 PM

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cinder karma But it'll stop working once our names are different colors

Yes 😢

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I did pick Classical for the length and the theming

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:40 PM

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You're a wonderful person

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:40 PM

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atra just needs to help out next mod jam

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:40 PM

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I wish I could be 3% as cool as you

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:40 PM

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rain apex atra just needs to help out next mod jam

Fuck no I'm freeeeee

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:42 PM

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rain apex pick your next mod name from here https://applerankings.com

Reading the how apples are ranked page is interesting

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:42 PM

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that page is good, because it agrees with my opinions

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:44 PM

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😂 https://applerankings.com/newtown-pippin-apple-review/

Apple Rankings by The Appleist Brian Frange

Newtown Pippin Apple Review - Apple Rankings by The Appleist Brian ...

Review of the historically significant Newtown Pippin Apple. An American Founding Father favorite that tastes like a sand-filled condom.

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:44 PM

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slander :(

UPDATE 2023: Still truly baffled how many feel this is their favorite apple. However, I have not had the chance to try a Fuji straight from Japan where I hear they may be better. That being said, I have had better Fujis in my re-testing. +3 Taste, -1 Juiciness, +2 Cost/Availability. TOTAL SCORE: 48 -> 56 (Horse Food -> Barely Worth It).

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:44 PM

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I like Fujis 😢

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:44 PM

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how Red Delicious are still on shelves instead of all its sellers becoming bankrupt 15 years ago remains one of America's greatest mysteries

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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cinder karma I wish I could be 3% as cool as you

You’re like 30% cooler 😛

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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maybe they dont decompose

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Red delicious are disgusting

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Honeycrisp = Nearly Perfect. Sounds about right.

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:45 PM

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That I can get behind

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:46 PM

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I also slightly disagree with the ranking of Granny Smith, but I also never eat that stuff raw so maybe the author's right

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:46 PM

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Granny Smith is ranked #2 for baking which I agree with

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At least that's my go to for Apple Pie

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:47 PM

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ah yes programming off topic has started a conversation about apples

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Wait, I thought this channel was Programming/Off-Topic

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:47 PM

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I have an Apple computer

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So this is basically on topic

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:47 PM

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it's whichever is more convenient at the time

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is your computer in the rankings

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:48 PM

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If apples are so good why is there no Apple II

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:48 PM

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sand frost I have an Apple computer

As do I, I use it for work ~~to remote into a windows computer~~

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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wtf

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Wtf

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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they spent all that money on a macbook only to then just use it to remote into a different system

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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No, the macbook is personal

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I have to remote into a windows computer, I just only have it set up on my laptop

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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oh

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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I mean I love my MacBooks but if I was going to remote in..:

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Kids using slang when they're talking about apples? Here's a helpful guide!

wtf = want that fruit

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:50 PM

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all our work laptops are just glorified SSH/remote terminals

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:50 PM

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my work laptop is actually the laptop I work on

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:50 PM

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If I can count the number of OS that run in my house as "having X computers" then I have -
3x Windows
1x Ubuntu
2x MacOS
2x iPadOS
2x iOS
1x Android
1x Raspbian
1x unraid
1x TrueNAS
1x Home Assistant
1x Proxmox
And I think that's it....

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:50 PM

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One thing that drives me insane about my mac is that every day I get a popup that says "Some iCloud Data isn't syncing", and when I try to x it out, it thinks I wanted to open the icloud settings instead

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:50 PM

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I thought iPads just run iOS

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Me too

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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iPadOS forked from iOS some time ago

cinder karma Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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sand frost You’re like 30% cooler 😛

You're cooler SDVpufferheart

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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I don’t use iCloud

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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iPadOS is basically iOS with some fancy extras

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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cinder karma You're cooler <:SDVpufferheart:544718683486814228>

False!

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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marble jewel If I can count the number of OS that run in my house as "having X computers" the...

And this is just running under my roof, so excludes remotely

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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What does each of your 3 windows do

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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update

sand frost Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Would a cooler person struggle to understand delegate syntax? I think not!

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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update (incorrectly)

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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sand frost False!

Hey, that's dangerously close to self deprecating. Only I can do that

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Do they scheme against you in cohort

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:52 PM

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rain apex What does each of your 3 windows do

2 desktop gaming PCs and 1 VM

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The VM is actually running AtlasOS which is a modified Windows installation

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:52 PM

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A turncoat!

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Never heard of AtlasOS before. That's quite a bold tagline

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:53 PM

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It runs quite nicely, and I still have access to Windows updates and such

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Ideal for my VM. I use it for a lot of background/automation tasks. It's always on while my gaming PCs are not.

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:53 PM

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Why is it advertising it self as an OS if it's just tweaks for windows

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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~~I mean that's 90% of Linux OSes~~

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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There's a long tradition in the industry of advertising skins and tweaks as entire OSes.

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Had to restart because of a power outage yesterday

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Don't linux OSes usually have their own software network (apt-get for example)?

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Stardock had once built a pretty lucrative business on that very concept IIRC.

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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(fellas check out my new OS that's not reskinned Arch)

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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is AtlasOS like a linux distro

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:54 PM

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I used to have some stardock stuff like windowblinds, never understood it as a new OS

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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marble jewel Had to restart because of a power outage yesterday

I know you said it was because of a power outage, but what a low uptime

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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rain apex is AtlasOS like a linux distro

AtlasOS is Windows 11 and a Playbook to debloat

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:55 PM

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devout vault Don't linux OSes usually have their own software network (apt-get for example)?

there's like 5 different ones, all the rest of the hundreds or so Linux distros use one of them

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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As long as the power is not out for more than an hour, my UPS keeps things going. Unfortunately it took like 4 hours for them to restore my power.

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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apt, yum, pacman, uuuh whatever Gentoo uses

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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marble jewel AtlasOS is Windows 11 and a Playbook to debloat

(also known as Windows 10)

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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yea ig my question is, does it change as much from windows as say, RHEL -> fedora

long verge Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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fleet wren (fellas check out my new OS that's not reskinned Arch)

KEKW_animated

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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The uptime of my desktop machine is sad. These are rookie numbers. But I have a memory leak in one of my drivers so I periodically am forced to restart.

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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I think prior to the outage, my uptime might have been for several months

rain apex Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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or does that question just makes no sense in windows context blobcatgooglyblep

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:56 PM

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I just had to restart yesterday because of the SDV freezing issue... before that I had like a 6 month uptime.

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:57 PM

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Fortunately power outages aren't an issue for me. I have an automatic backup generator.

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 6:57 PM

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marble jewel I think prior to the outage, my uptime might have been for several months

Nice, I aspire to those levels (windows updates periodically restart overnight)

long verge Nov 5, 2024, 6:57 PM

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ivory shadow The uptime of my desktop machine is sad. These are rookie numbers. But I have a ...

No update available for the driver ?

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:57 PM

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Oh, I do have to disable the automatic Windows Update restarts to achieve those uptimes. (And sometimes it pisses me off enough to just nuke Windows Update entirely.)

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 6:58 PM

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My home server be like 18:57:38 up 614 days, 19:31

lethal walrus Nov 5, 2024, 6:58 PM

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this is definitely not the server running my major discord bots
Uptime: 751 days, 16 mins

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Even my router does not stay up for 2 years at a time.

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 6:59 PM

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rain apex yea ig my question is, does it change as much from windows as say, RHEL -> fedor...

I mean if these numbers are to be believed, this is why one would consider AtlasOS

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

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I'm skeptical how much of that is a genuine improvement and how much is from just uninstalling all the OEM crap

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

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I always believe anything said by the company offering the product

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

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Whoever is seeing 0% CPU usage clearly is not running Discord.

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

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or just... things

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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It's chugging away at 3% all on its own. And then there's Chrome (still not sorry).

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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Hmm, I expected longer. My firewall has only been up for 329d 2h 9m

devout vault Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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safe dragon I always believe anything said by the company offering the product

As you should, why would any company lie? Especially on the internet

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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It's not even really a Product though at least not in the monetized sense. It's an open-source effort.

long verge Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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marble jewel I mean if these numbers are to be believed, this is why one would consider Atlas...

+150fps looks like false promise KEKW_animated

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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I guess I updated it a year ago

rotund violet Nov 5, 2024, 7:01 PM

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I don't know what VALORANT is anyway, show me the TimeSpy Extreme benchmark.

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(he says to no one in particular)

ivory shadow Nov 5, 2024, 7:02 PM

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Is Valorant one of those pokemons the kids like these days

marble jewel Nov 5, 2024, 7:02 PM

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https://github.com/Atlas-OS/Atlas?tab=readme-ov-file#-why-atlas

GitHub

GitHub - Atlas-OS/Atlas: 🚀 An open and lightweight modification to ...

🚀 An open and lightweight modification to Windows, designed to optimize performance, privacy and usability. - Atlas-OS/Atlas

fleet wren Nov 5, 2024, 7:02 PM

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Valorant is some kernel level spyware

safe dragon Nov 5, 2024, 7:02 PM

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they only mean the 0.1% lows as far as I can tell but even then