#programmers-off-topic | Stardew Valley | Page 21

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Gratz on your first spicy pillow

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 4:10 PM

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Longtable nicely provides \\* which nicely prevents page breaks after this row. It would work great if I didn't have \hline immediately afterwards (which includes a \\)

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You're gonna find me wandering the streets screaming about why I have orphan headers

pliant snow Jul 3, 2024, 4:12 PM

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The only spicy pillow ive ever had was a PSP

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:27 PM

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I had my first one a few months ago I think. A Pixel 5!

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Fortunately, it made swapping in a new battery super easy because the battery did the job of removing the glass back about... 75% of the way for me?

lethal walrus Jul 3, 2024, 4:33 PM

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that's very convenient

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Also since when did GitHub have a Trello-like boards feature?

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 4:36 PM

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crystal wren Also *since when* did GitHub have a Trello-like boards feature?

Gitlab has had it for a while

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:36 PM

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I've been contemplating just outright switching to GitLab honestly...

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 4:37 PM

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crystal wren Also *since when* did GitHub have a Trello-like boards feature?

oh that seems very useful. where did you find that?

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:37 PM

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It's just... there!

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 4:37 PM

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oh, huh

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I always saw that but never clicked "new project" since I didn't know what it did

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:38 PM

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It has a table and roadmap type view too.

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 4:38 PM

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ooo

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 4:38 PM

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And they can become issues... yeah, I think I might start using this quite a bit.

lethal walrus Jul 3, 2024, 4:43 PM

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ooo

pliant snow Jul 3, 2024, 5:02 PM

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thats been there for quite a while now i think

rotund violet Jul 3, 2024, 5:06 PM

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I just learned this "spicy pillow" term - didn't even know that could happen, I've got devices going all the way back to the original Motorola Droid that still look OK.

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:17 PM

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LOVE the colors on that

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:19 PM

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Thanks! I'm making a hat with it

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:30 PM

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gay hat gay hat gay ha-

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:31 PM

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related to a convo in making-mods channel, this article I found is interesting:
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
(tl;dr younger people who grew up with smartphones and search engines have to be taught how files and folders work, because that's just not the computing paradigm they grew up with)

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:32 PM

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that does make sense, i'd imagine teachers are gonna have to work extra hard now

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:33 PM

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Yeah they're not ignorant per se, it's just modern computing is far, far divorced from the usual stuff millenials grew up doing

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:33 PM

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if I ever raise a child I am not giving them a smartphone until they're a teenager

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:33 PM

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how to teach people how to computer,,

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:34 PM

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givin my kid a Linux pc on the day they're born with root access

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:34 PM

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root access huh

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better have backup images

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:34 PM

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My family always gives me a hard time when they see my computer screen, and it has like 50 thousand icons.”

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Are you the family or the 50k icons person

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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i am both

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i give myself a hard time seeing all my icons

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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I die inside when I see ppl with 100+ browser tabs

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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My current desktop doesn't even support icons

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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I bricked my mom's PC when I was 12, and if I ever have a child I'll make sure they brick mine at least once as well

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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I have a dumping folder called DESK specifically for putting random stuff in

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desktop is only for things I am actively using

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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fleet wren I bricked my mom's PC when I was 12, and if I ever have a child I'll make sure t...

a rite of passage

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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also I have dock software for application shortcuts

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:35 PM

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rain apex I die inside when I see ppl with 100+ browser tabs

Oh dear

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You and Casey will get along

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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MedSpoop

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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my desktop is a mess tbh

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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I almost never have more than like 5 tabs open

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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rain apex Are you the family or the 50k icons person

I can't stand desktop icons

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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my sibling has like 10 windows of 40 tabs each

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Otoh my real life desk looks like a bomb hit it

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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mind you i never use it

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not once have i used my desktop to open anything

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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modest steppe my desktop is a mess tbh

Get this away from me!!!!!!

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Winrar detected

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MedBoom

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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I have no desktop icons, but I also have an animated video as the background so not sure if that's better

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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imagine the day where everyone learns what 7zip is

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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listen i had that before windows added a feature to unzip/zip files

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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fleet wren I have no desktop icons, but I also have an animated video as the background so ...

that's a crime depending on how busy it is

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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this is my desktop (the dock auto-hides when I'm not hovering over it. the folders are subdocks for categories of programs)

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Pretty!!!!!

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:37 PM

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thank you!

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:38 PM

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Mine is either the Jan knitpicks calendar

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Or the June one

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:38 PM

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why tf do i have cursed forge

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on minecraft

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:38 PM

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I'm not home so can't show but it's just an empty thing with a wallpaper and a little waybar bar at the top

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:38 PM

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It's a joke that I will eventually update the calendar but you can see how my sanity is going by how much that calendar is out of date

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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supple ether my sibling has like 10 windows of 40 tabs each

I also do the thing where I never close tabs

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Until my computer inevitably crashes

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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do u mean ur pc calender?

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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And I come to terms with the fact that I wasn't gonna ever read that paper anyways

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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genuinely can't figure that out

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:39 PM

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it takes like 10 seconds to fix

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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modest steppe do u mean ur pc calender?

No, knitpicks does a calendar for your wallpaper every month

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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cinder karma I also do the thing where I never close tabs

I have a lot of tabs saved but they're not open. I use the panorama extension for firefox to store them, where they're not like... actual tabs, just a thumbnail and url

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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https://blog.knitpicks.com/

The Knit Picks Staff Knitting Blog

The Knit Picks Staff Knitting Blog -

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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desktops are hard

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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This is my usual desktop background

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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what's going on here

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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modest steppe desktops are hard

that's lovely art

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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But I'm bad at switching them out when the month starts

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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ghost

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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yay we sharing desktops now!

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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safe dragon what's going on here

I have wallpaper engine, and the setting turned on where you can adjust the opacity of icons

cinder karma Jul 3, 2024, 5:40 PM

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supple ether I have a lot of tabs saved but they're not open. I use the panorama extension fo...

Yeah I have auto tab discard tol

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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supple ether that's lovely art

idk why i had icons on it before tbh i only download wallpapers to look at em cause pretty

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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cinder karma Yeah I have auto tab discard tol

I have that too

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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fleet wren yay we sharing desktops now!

that's really nice! linux?

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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going into no icons for now

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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supple ether that's really nice! linux?

yeah, Hyprland

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:41 PM

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except recyle bin i don't think that can leave

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:42 PM

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I am deeply tempted by Hyprland but I would miss np++ and paint.net and wallpaper engine

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:42 PM

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I too am a hyprland user except with a copy pasted basic waybar and a random wallpaper I found on google images when I searched nord wallpaper

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:42 PM

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hyprland?

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is that a linux thing

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:43 PM

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I know hyprland can do video wallpapers but wallpaper engine supports a bunch of other stuff too, like websites and shader-driven effects

floral parcel Jul 3, 2024, 5:43 PM

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supple ether this is my desktop (the dock auto-hides when I'm not hovering over it. the folde...

Lovely background!

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:43 PM

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modest steppe is that a linux thing

yeah it's a wayland shell I think

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:43 PM

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floral parcel Lovely background!

thank you!

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:43 PM

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I'm a boring KDE person who picked that bc my school machines all used it

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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KDE is my most used desktop environment

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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KDE is good for when you want stuff to just work(tm) and you don't want to make a deal with the devil (GNOME)

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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I'd rather be on windows than use a vanilla gnome environment

modest steppe Jul 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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welp the pretty wallpaper chat has seized which means i no longer have any idea what's going here.
i wish everyone a good day

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:44 PM

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I like my eyecandy too much. I have 3rd party mods for windows to add aero-style glass effects to a bunch of things, including discord, terminal, and file explorer

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:45 PM

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fleet wren KDE is good for when you want stuff to just work(tm) and you don't want to make ...

See it was just work™️ but then the wayland nation attacked

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:45 PM

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KDE does does that in cycles

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 5:45 PM

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One day they will fix the high dpi support, maybe

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:45 PM

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it will become stable again someday and then KDE 7 releases

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:45 PM

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well it is a lot better now at least. GNOME is, unfortunately, still one of the few DEs with proper Wayland support

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:46 PM

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it really isn't

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the gnome team despises a lot of the Wayland protocols and intentionally refuses to implement them

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they've been an immense pain

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 5:46 PM

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cool

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:46 PM

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yeah by proper I mean "functioning". I am aware that what they're doing to the Wayland protocol is a crime

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:47 PM

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gnome is like "we wouldn't use this" and then prevent any progress on the protocol for 4 years straight

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(I do not like gnome)

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surprisingly my smoothest experiences with Wayland have all been one man hobby projects

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somehow just some random guy writing a window manager in his spare time ends up with a more reliable product than entire teams with funding

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:52 PM

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yeah I've been daily driving Hyprland for the past couple years, and outside of a couple occasional bug (which are all because I use an NV*DIA GPU) it's been great. Better than my old WM (i3) even

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 5:52 PM

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I mean I suppose gnome works smoothly when you don't attempt to hack around with extensions but gnome has always been essentially unusable as a desktop without extensions for me

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no taskbar, no application icons, not even a usable application switcher

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I used to distro hop like every 2 months

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I might try cosmic desktop when that releases its alpha later this month

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it’s gonna suck cause it’s an alpha but I’m curious

fleet wren Jul 3, 2024, 5:59 PM

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ooh not heard of that yet. sounds very interesting

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 6:00 PM

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lore behind cosmic desktop is essentially that system 76 was tired of having to deal with gnome to such a degree that they decided to just build their whole own environment

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a true “fine I’ll do it myself” mentality

rain apex Jul 3, 2024, 6:01 PM

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the open source project reproduction cycle

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 6:01 PM

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yes

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before this they were essentially already maintaining their own separate branch of gnome for bugfixes

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there was some drama once where system76 fixed a bug in gnome but then never reported it to the main gnome team so it remained unfixed there

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who needs online twitter celebrity drama when there’s gnome and wayland drama

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read up about heated arguments on whether individual application windows should be allowed to have their own separate icon

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and with heated arguments I mean everyone agreed except one guy from the gnome team

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which is wayland tradition

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 6:21 PM

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(Modern) Gnome works great if you just happen to love how it works by default.

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That's... that's about it!

rotund violet Jul 3, 2024, 6:32 PM

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I can't remember the last time I saw my desktop.

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Or actual text on a browser tab, for that matter.

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 6:42 PM

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I disable desktop icons wherever possible, yeah. For that exact reason.

pliant snow Jul 3, 2024, 6:44 PM

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for what reason

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 6:46 PM

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rotund violet I can't remember the last time I saw my desktop.

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My desktop always has... things over it.

rotund violet Jul 3, 2024, 6:47 PM

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Interesting, I've never thought it was necessary to disable desktop icons to accommodate that, but I honestly have no idea what icons are there right now.

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On one screen I have Visual Studio; on the other screen I have Chrome (yeah, yeah, "should be Firefox", don't care).

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And underneath those windows there are more windows. I might have accidentally seen my desktop once when I hit Win-D instead of Ctrl-D by accident.

worn remnant Jul 3, 2024, 7:42 PM

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safe dragon (I do not like gnome)

this is the correct take. GNOME is awful

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time was, it was acceptable to use, and i have fond memories of gtk2 and the Raleigh theme (do not correct these memories. let me have them, even if they are wrong)

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 7:47 PM

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I feel like modern GNOME wants to be a tiled WM without being a tiled WM with how it wants you to work with it.

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 7:51 PM

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many of its usability problems are problems that only exist because it's also floating

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they really designed it as if it's a tiling window manager while actually having essentially zero support for tiling

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they don't even support independent workspaces per monitor

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neither does KDE but at least KDE isn't built in a way where I feel like it's necessary

crystal wren Jul 3, 2024, 7:54 PM

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KDE at least has activities, which move it... I guess a tiny bit closer in that respect?

safe dragon Jul 3, 2024, 7:54 PM

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gnome has activities I think though I can't say I ever figured out how they work

supple ether Jul 3, 2024, 10:32 PM

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mischevious giggling

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(cross-platform mouse capture for console apps via control sequences)

lethal walrus Jul 3, 2024, 11:22 PM

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oo

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 12:40 AM

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safe dragon gnome has activities I think though I can't say I ever figured out how they work

isnt activities just the application search

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:18 AM

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crystal wren I've been contemplating just outright switching to GitLab honestly...

✨ codeberg ✨

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:18 AM

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I really should use codeberg more

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:18 AM

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'GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps platform. ' 🤮

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:18 AM

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for no reason at all, it has a cool ui ig

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(the urls would be nice) (the ui is nice tho)

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:19 AM

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(actually do whatever you want, other platforms are good, my vom emoji is teasing)

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SourceHut has the best ethical stance imo but its ui is very not good SDVpufferpensive

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:20 AM

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ui isn't the best, have to agree

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ooo there's a migrate option

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:O it's per repo too

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i like codeberg even more now despite having 0 repos on it

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:24 AM

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it is equivalent to github in my usage of it

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the only thing I've noticed is pushing takes ~3 seconds but on Github it's instant

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Which is not a problem, really

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@lethal walrus you have been upgraded

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:26 AM

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wow

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i want to clarify my name is independent of PIL[low]

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:27 AM

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not a python image library 📝

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:27 AM

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yes, I am a human

gaunt wadi Jul 4, 2024, 2:28 AM

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surprisingly, i am a python image library

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 2:35 AM

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I think i actually have a codeberg account for some reason

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Hmmm maybe not actually

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:35 AM

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i love when microsoft authenticator refuses to read my codeberg qr code

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HOW DOES ROTATING MY PHONE 90 DEGREES WORK

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 2:36 AM

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it was a secret gyroscope captcha trust

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 2:45 AM

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microsoft authenticator

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 2:45 AM

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rotund violet > microsoft authenticator

it usually works

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and also supports microsoft account 2fa with the microsoft stuff

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:25 AM

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A question: I am trying to understand what is a property exactly. Like, is this a property? (from FarmerTeam)

    public readonly NetBool farmPerfect = new NetBool();

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Are int and strings also properties? (I did google this, but consistently have failed to grasp what everyone is saying).

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:28 AM

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this isnt a property in C# lingo because it doesnt have a getter and setter

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instead it is just a class variable

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:28 AM

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ohhhh, so if something wants to be a property, it has to have get set then?

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:28 AM

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or maybe instance variable? unsure about how readonly works

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 3:29 AM

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a property is (more or less) a field coupled with a getter and/or setter (and the braces syntax)

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:29 AM

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now the NetBool class has a lot of property like features i think think

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so it is not a very general example

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 3:30 AM

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it lets you define the getter and setter with arbitrary complex logic, but then you use it just like a field and the getter and setter are called automatically by the compiler

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:30 AM

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/properties

Overview of properties - C#

Learn about C# properties, which include features for validation, computed values, lazy evaluation, and property changed notifications.

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this page explains how to define the get/set

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/language-specification/variables

Variables - C# language specification

This chapter covers variable categories, default values, definite assignment, and variable references.

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:32 AM

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so this then is a property (from Farmer.cs)

``    public bool catPerson => this.whichPetType == "Cat";``

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:32 AM

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this page explains variables

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 3:33 AM

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this is a property (Value):

        private int _value;
        public int Value
        {
            get => _value;
            set {
                _value = Math.Max(Range[0], Math.Min(value, Range[1]));
            }
        }```

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:33 AM

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So that is not a method then, even though it has the bracelets.

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 3:34 AM

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this is a simple example. when you set Value, the compiler calls the setter. this one clamps the value you gave to a min/max range

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:34 AM

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I see!

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:34 AM

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i think its best to think of property and variable like a square and rectangle thing

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 3:34 AM

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so to use this one, you would write <object>.Value = whatever;

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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property are variables with extra bells n whistles

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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I think of it as properties are small functions around fields

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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object here being our class?

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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Sometimes the field is implicit

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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object is an instance of your class

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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rain apex property are variables with extra bells n whistles

I see! This helps considerably!!!

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:35 AM

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But the point of a property is to allow you to make changes to how the field is read/written to without breaking clients

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:36 AM

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(atra is more correct on technical basis AnnelieStare )

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:36 AM

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(It's very different in smapi land)

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Pathos and his fancy rewritters 😛

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So don't take the game as a canonical example to how properties usually function haha

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:36 AM

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The clients being things inside SMAPI, right?

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Luckily, my only purpose and use of C# is Stardew modding!

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:37 AM

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Clients in this case are other people calling your code

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:37 AM

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could technically be yourself too, if you got multiple class and one calls another

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:37 AM

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You are a client of smapi

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:38 AM

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I see!!!!! Thanks!!!

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:38 AM

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Yes but when you're both the right hand and the left hand you can make sure your changes are harmonious

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(Even more fun when you get into interpreted languages landl

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:39 AM

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nou

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:39 AM

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When suddenly you don't have a point of properties anymore

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(Er. Properties by default)

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Because making the field-> property switch doesn't break clients

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You see this especially in python

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In c# if it is public I will wrap it in a property even if it is just the trivial implementation

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In python i don't property unless I realize I fucked up

fleet oriole Jul 4, 2024, 3:40 AM

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So the clients do not break then with the changes?

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:41 AM

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Because python is interpreted!!

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:42 AM

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hm in C# case the source code won't need change on field -> prop right

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just need to be compile again

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:44 AM

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Yes but what if the client has ducked off to mars or something

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And you can't get them to recompile

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This is where smapi is special btw

primal shore Jul 4, 2024, 3:44 AM

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random.. but anyone a sims 4 modder? SC_Baghead

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:45 AM

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Smapi literally rewrites mods and can (mostly, please don't ref a field) rewrite the mod to refer to a property not a field

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Oh that's another thing that is different

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A field is more literally on the class. When I hold it I hold it

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 3:45 AM

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smapi should rewrite my brain tbh

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 3:46 AM

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A property is like being a guest. I can ask for read and write access but I don't hold with my hands the actual memory address

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So I can't do ref stuff with properties unless you give me a ref property

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What sims

valid forum Jul 4, 2024, 4:34 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1254583293832331284/1258279096711118948/image.png?ex=6687773a&is=668625ba&hm=791cfedde289bd585ca464ee04c47ff9f33619da8c27ae3d597b640538e81629&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=620&height=402

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does anyone know how to fix this error?

worn remnant Jul 4, 2024, 4:34 AM

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this is a #archived-modded-support question, but yes: you have the wrong version of SMAPI for your game

slender furnace Jul 4, 2024, 8:58 AM

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A bit computerscience just for the lulz.
The problem showed here is about the Cordic Algorithm and a small proof which shows that the Algorithm isnt complete.
You will see this in the following examples:
cosd(6*10^995)
Has infinite Polynomial time and your computer isnt able to return a value.
When you think this is just depended on how big a number is then is the question why this calculation has a regular Polynomial time but the number is bigger :
cosd(6*10^1026)
This also works in the opposite direction. The number in the next calculation is smaller as both before, but the polynomial time is higher as from 1026.
cosd(6*10^847)
So what happens in the algorithm that the polynomial times from some calculations are so different?
I dont trick you in my homework or something like, but I guess questions like this can be funny to discover and fits well in a off-topic programmer channel.

Have fun ✌️

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 9:22 AM

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SDVpufferfear

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wtf is a cosd

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I'll leave this to the mathier people...

slender furnace Jul 4, 2024, 9:33 AM

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cosd = Cosine degree
yes, this is a question for techy mathematicians.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 11:20 AM

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Ive also not heard of cosd, and i cant find any resource discussing it

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Unless its just cosine with degree as input rather than radians

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Thought it was going to be like cosh

cinder karma Jul 4, 2024, 11:53 AM

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC thjs?

CORDIC

CORDIC (coordinate rotation digital computer), Volder's algorithm, Digit-by-digit method, Circular CORDIC (Jack E. Volder), Linear CORDIC, Hyperbolic CORDIC (John Stephen Walther), and Generalized Hyperbolic CORDIC (GH CORDIC) (Yuanyong Luo et al.), is a simple and efficient algorithm to calculate trigonometric functions, hyperbolic functions, s...

slender furnace Jul 4, 2024, 12:27 PM

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cinder karma https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC thjs?

Yop

runic plaza Jul 4, 2024, 4:58 PM

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how can I turn off the double slash warning in visual studio code?

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 5:00 PM

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what's the warning

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what programming language

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Hover over it and show us what the tooltip says.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 5:05 PM

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I'm guessing it's C

vagrant basalt Jul 4, 2024, 5:05 PM

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The problem is that JSON doesn't like comments. Down the bottom right, you can click on "JSON" to select the language. Change it to JSON with Comments.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 5:05 PM

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or json

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Pff, JSON doesn't count as programming.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 5:06 PM

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json indeed doesn't like comments

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depends heavily on the deserializer whether it can deal with em

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 5:07 PM

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its why ive moved away from JSON tbh

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 5:08 PM

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back to XML

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 5:08 PM

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I saw TOML in one of the mods I'm using. I forget which one.

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Though probably the standard is moving more toward YAML (or RON if you're doing Rust).

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Considering how many modders have trouble managing their braces and indentation correctly, SDV/SMAPI would probably see a benefit from supporting it.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 5:11 PM

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yeah ive been using yaml more

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since the stock Python json parser doesnt support comments

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 5:11 PM

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yaml pretty and multi line strings (!)

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 5:13 PM

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It can be a little inflexible if you're designing a whole engine around it, but for the kind of configuration that 99% of mods need to do, it'd be perfect.

runic plaza Jul 4, 2024, 5:13 PM

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runic plaza how can I turn off the double slash warning in visual studio code?

i fixed the problem sorry for the small complications.. sad

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 6:35 PM

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passkeys seem to have really taken off

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 6:42 PM

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apparently yeah

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even though I couldn't even get them to work

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I don't really understand why

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I feel like they're just an attempt to get people tied to a specific service cause it has their passkeys

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what random website did I try it for again

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seems like bitwarden mobile supports passkeys now unlike 3 months ago

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huh

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I used it for Nvidia to fuck around but they seem to have removed passkey support

crystal wren Jul 4, 2024, 6:53 PM

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If I CAN have a passkey on something, I'm doing it nowadays. And it's genuinely a lot of places already!

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It's trickier on my phone with my Yubikey at least, because it's not USB C.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 6:54 PM

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whats the reason for this

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passkeys for me so far have just seemed half broken and less reliable

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I can't seem to log into my Nvidia account I made using a passkey at all

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Are you talking about physical NFC/touch keys or the "passkey" they use to label all biometrics these days?

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 6:56 PM

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maybe they deleted the account idk I get no response

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neither

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passkeys have nothing to do with biometrics

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Are passkeys like fancier version of those things banks used to give u

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Maybe they didn't used to, but that's what Google, Microsoft and everyone else is calling them now. Fingerprint, face unlock, etc. are all "passkeys".

rain apex Jul 4, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Before they all slacc and went to sms 2fa

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:00 PM

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that sounds more like using biometrics as an authentication layer before it uses actual passkeys for the login process

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unless you're uploading a copy of your fingerprint to an online service for login

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which would be unusual

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idk the details of how passkeys work it's something with public and private keys but that describes most encryption

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:03 PM

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Ok, so you're apparently just talking about the generic use of a public/private key pair for authentication?

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:03 PM

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that seems to be all they boil down to yeah

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:03 PM

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Yeah, I get it. I mean conceptually it's just the server having your public key, and you using your private key to authenticate.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:04 PM

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protection against data breaches and phishing I suppose

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if they actually seemed to work that'd be nice

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:05 PM

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But that's been around for a long time? I think what's actually made it popular is the ability to have your private key behind something simple to use like a fingerprint or security key.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:05 PM

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I seem entirely unable to log into the Nvidia account I made with passkeys just to try them out

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it's just gone

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focus, have you not been bombarded with websites asking you to stop using a password and switch to passkeys these last few weeks

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:06 PM

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No, but I've been using biometric unlock for computers, phones, banking apps and so on for a couple of years now, which is essentially the same thing.

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Well, doesn't sound the same as what you're describing with nVidia. In those other things I mentioned like banking, password is used to create the key and biometrics just unlock it.

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 7:07 PM

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(I also haven't been told to stop using a password)

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:08 PM

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Or maybe biometrics are combined with the password to create a second key. Don't know that there's really a standard implementation.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:08 PM

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for the Nvidia account there is no password it's not even a fallback. There's just a passkey in my bitwarden vault for that specific account

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:08 PM

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Yeah that sounds a bit unusual. But I guess they figure they'll have more uptake if they sell it as "no having to remember passwords anymore!" (as if we haven't been using password safes forever)

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:09 PM

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no biometrics unless I use biometrics to unlock my bitwarden vault I suppose

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there's legitimate advantages to these since they're safe against data breaches but they're rather annoying in usage from my experience so far

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have to log in on someone else's computer? Better go log into your bitwarden account on their pc so that you can do that

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:10 PM

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Well, properly protected passwords should be safe against those too, it's just companies keep cocking it up - and I'm sure they'll manage to cock up passkeys too.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:11 PM

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for a passkey you can't just look up your password on your phone and then type it out

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:11 PM

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I suppose if you only get a public key in the first place, it's harder for stupid developers to screw up the implementation.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:13 PM

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idk I'm staying away from passkeys till something forces me to use them

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I mean in the context of website accounts

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:14 PM

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doesnt discord support them now

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:14 PM

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probably

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:14 PM

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I bring it up because I was changing my 2fa app, and I was surprised how many sites prompted me for a passkey

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:15 PM

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One of the known issues with the biometric unlock is that if the biometrics change - even something like adding a new fingerprint - it invalidates the entire key and you have to set it up again. That's why this tech is usually provided as an alternative authentication scheme, for convenience. Banks and brokerages do this, Aegis authenticator does it, Apple does it on their Macbooks, and so on.

So if companies like Nvidia are choosing to do away with the password and having the only means of identifying you be a potentially volatile key, I could see why they might simply... lose an entire account.

regal ingot Jul 4, 2024, 7:16 PM

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safe dragon have to log in on someone else's computer? Better go log into your bitwarden acc...

That's an implementation issue, not a problem with passkeys themselves. See, e.g., the sections here https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-passkeys-to-sign-in-to-apps-and-websites-iphf538ea8d0/ios on how to both sign in and create passkeys with an iphone when accessing a website from a public computer.

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:17 PM

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Yeah, typically it's the same sort of thing that already exists with password safes - your account is created with a constant key, and your password/passkey/biometric/etc. is an additional key used to unlock the real key.

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If someone screwed that up and tried to use the protection key as the primary key, then... well, then they screwed it up.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:18 PM

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idk why you keep talking about biometrics. Nvidia's login system has literally nothing to do with biometrics

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:18 PM

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I don't use Bitwarden or even know what it is. Biometrics are the #1 use of passkeys everywhere.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:18 PM

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you could use a yubikey for it for all it cares

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bitwarden is a password manager

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:19 PM

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As MIB said, it really just sounds like you're talking about a shitty implementation and not a fundamental problem with asymmetric encryption being used to authenticate.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:19 PM

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dont most password managers support them tho

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biometrics really only work on a phone, yet they're supported in like a browser plugin?

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:20 PM

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regal ingot That's an implementation issue, not a problem with passkeys themselves. See, e....

yeah this would help alleviate the issues though Nvidia doesn't seem to have this option in any way but I can't even find their passkey login to begin with anymore

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:21 PM

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pliant snow biometrics really only work on a phone, yet they're supported in like a browser ...

I mean for bitwarden for example the fingerprint is just an authentication layer for the app

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:21 PM

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Yes! Even KeePassXC has biometric unlock - which is, again, the exact same thing as a passkey, it's just your fingerprint [private key] protecting the same [public] key that your master password matches.

(It's not just phones, most newer laptops have fingerprint scanners. But sure, if no biometrics, then use a security key like yubikey.)

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:22 PM

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most is a bit bold of a claim

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:22 PM

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It's not just an authentication layer, there has to be an internal encrypted key that's decryptable by both your password and your security key/biometric/etc.

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What is Nvidia even using for a passkey if it's not either biometrics or security key?

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:23 PM

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its using, you know, a thingy

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:23 PM

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lol... I thought passkeys had to be derived from a physical thing.

regal ingot Jul 4, 2024, 7:23 PM

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nope

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:24 PM

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I thought they were just an obfuscation over a password honestly

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let the password manager handle the key rather than the user

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:25 PM

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it's just a public private key pair much like encrypted anything these days. Your password manager or yubikey or phone or whatever stores a private key, the authentication server has your public key and then with those login can be completed

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:26 PM

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Yes, but where is the private key if not on a physical device? Even Google's passkey uses your phone.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:26 PM

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I mean any data needs a physical device to be on unless you discovered some metaphysical storage method

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so idk what you're asking

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:27 PM

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What you're calling passkey isn't some "protocol" like OAuth as far as I know, so I'm not understanding how you set it up on Nvidia without some sort of biometric or security key.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:27 PM

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anything that is technically capable of storing a private key in something has enough to use passkeys

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:27 PM

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It's a generic term for public-key authentication and for that you need secure storage of the private key.

regal ingot Jul 4, 2024, 7:27 PM

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I'm looking to try to figure out if the website identity is verified as part of the challenge itself or if that's assumed to be handled by the entire thing running over TLS of some sort and the user device only being willing to sign the challenge with the key pair that corresponds to the remote identity verified by the TLS handshake.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:28 PM

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passkeys as we're talking about here is their implementation in the WebAuthn standard

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:28 PM

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safe dragon I mean any data needs a physical device to be on unless you discovered some meta...

are you telling me the cloud isnt a real cloud

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:29 PM

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even if it was… clouds are physical things

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but yeah in theory passkeys could work with fuckin pen and paper if you gave someone a ridiculous amount of time to decode it all

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what’s a website with an actual proper complete passkey implementation

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I’ll try it out with bitwarden again

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:31 PM

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btw authy had a big security breach

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:31 PM

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I saw I gotta do something about that

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:31 PM

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Ok, I'm looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Authentication_API and it says the protocol is just a wrapper around authenticators (like yubikey or biometrics).

So, idk, I'm still hearing either "Nvidia implemented a broken system" or "Bitwarden is a broken authenticator" rather than "passkeys are bad".

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:31 PM

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i dont think they got any codes, but they did get phone numbers

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i switched to bitwarden's authenticator today

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why authy even needed my phone number i'll never know

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:32 PM

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rotund violet Ok, I'm looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Authenti...

you are hearing correctly yes

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I think for authy that’s only if you used their cloud backup thing

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:32 PM

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if everyones implementation is broken, it doesnt seem like a terribly robust system

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:33 PM

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so that you can recover your 2fa codes if your device gets bricked or something

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:33 PM

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Apple's doesn't seem to be broken. But then I only really use it for Apple itself.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:33 PM

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I do have an apple account but I’m not comfortable using it for a real account I use yet

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I’ll just make another dummy google account

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:35 PM

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protonpass supports them too apparently, they kept nagging me

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but i havent tried it out

regal ingot Jul 4, 2024, 7:35 PM

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safe dragon what’s a website with an actual proper complete passkey implementation

one would hope the demo on the site promoting the standard would be a good implementation... https://www.passkeys.io

crystal wren Jul 4, 2024, 7:35 PM

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I just wish Bitwarden's UI was... nicer to use? I'm just on KeepassXC for now.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:36 PM

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regal ingot one would hope the demo on the site promoting the standard would be a good imple...

…makes sense

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I’ll try that

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:36 PM

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Same, KeepassXC sucks in so many ways but everything else is worse.

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Anyway, guess I just haven't seen this big push for passkeys, maybe they don't target people who already use 2FA with their marketing.

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:37 PM

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I didnt dislike bitwarden's UI, but I've noticed protonpass's browser extension is more streamlined

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i think password managers might be more agressive with them in the future

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:38 PM

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The cloud password managers have always looked like an impending catastrophe to me - to my knowledge, the basic offline password-safe tech invented like two decades ago in KeePass et al has still never been breached.

regal ingot Jul 4, 2024, 7:39 PM

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bitwarden claims it supports saving passkeys: https://bitwarden.com/passwordless-passkeys/#passwordless-demos

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:40 PM

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rotund violet The cloud password managers have always looked like an impending catastrophe to ...

Until I need to log into something on a laptop away from home

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:40 PM

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Put it on Dropbox or Google Drive.

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I just sync with my phone which accompanies me pretty much everywhere.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:41 PM

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crystal wren Jul 4, 2024, 7:42 PM

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Syncthing!

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:42 PM

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SDVpufferwaaah

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I use a private VPN protected instance of vaultwarden personally

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works well

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other than this passkeys thing

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:43 PM

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Syncthing is probably more secure, yeah.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:43 PM

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tbh the popup tells me to use a phone with iOS 16 or later and this is an android phone

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idk what if I flip it around and try to log in on my phone with my tablet maybe that works

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 7:44 PM

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I'm not too worried since the password database is just a strongly-encrypted file; the whole idea is that it shouldn't matter if someone else gets it since they don't have the master password. Otherwise the password safe is no better than a .txt file.

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I looked at Bitwarden's website and they proudly proclaim to be endorsed by CNet, Wired and the New York Times; that tells me all I need to know to stay the hell away.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:47 PM

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hmm so it does work the other way around. When I try to log in using my phone as the “external device” I can’t log in. But when I use my ipad as the external device I can log in

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despite being attached to the exact same bitwarden account

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the website telling me I need a phone with iOS 16 or later tells me it’s just poorly implemented on android rn?

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hell on firefox on android is just does not work

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I had to switch to chrome

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on firefox(android) if I press the “sign in with passkeys” button it just shows a loading bar and then gives up

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I don’t even get far enough to select “log in with another device”

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this needs more time in the oven before I can reasonably use it

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bitwarden seems to support it but android and especially firefox on android seem to have poor support

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my phone supposedly supports it but I get told there’s no matching passkey anyway

crystal wren Jul 4, 2024, 7:51 PM

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rotund violet I'm not too worried since the password database is just a strongly-encrypted fil...

Yeah, mine is a password + challenge/response via Yubikey. Realistically I could upload it here and not feel too worried... but let's not do that. SDVkrobusgiggle

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:52 PM

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coward

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its my turn to be DecidedlyHuman

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:52 PM

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give me your yubikey

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currently I have two options for passkeys

don’t use them for now
buy an iphone

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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ive gone all out on syncthing

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shits syncing every which way

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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I haven’t tried syncthing yet but I’ve been meaning to

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:55 PM

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its pretty slick

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I use it to sync my personal files between desktop and laptop, and also arch linux packages so I dont have to redownload them everytime I want to update a machine

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:56 PM

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but unfortunately if I do decide to use syncthing, my option 2 of buying an iphone goes out the window cause syncthing doesn’t support ios

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unfortunate

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 7:57 PM

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i have an iphone and I cant think of anything I'd actually want to sync

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 7:57 PM

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photos

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I have automatic syncing set up rn for my phone photos to my home server

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I use PhotoSync for that rn though. It automatically starts uploading new photos to my server when I connect to my home wifi network

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I might consider keepassxc + syncthing instead of vaultwarden

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vaultwarden has been giving me problems

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sometimes it just stops working and I have to ssh into my server to restart the docker container

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and I’m pretty sure it has a memory leak even if it’s incredibly slow

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it just starts using ever so slightly more memory over the days and weeks

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huh

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keepassxc doesn’t have mobile apps?

lethal walrus Jul 4, 2024, 8:03 PM

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there's definitely some app to open its files on mobile though

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 8:04 PM

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ah it’s just not official

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might be worthwhile to switch

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but first I gotta switch away from authy

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which I’ve been dreading

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 8:07 PM

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i did it today, it only took like 30 minutes to just redo all the services

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 8:07 PM

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what are you using now

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 8:07 PM

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bitwarden's, they have a separate authenticator app now

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 8:08 PM

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that would be counterproductive to me trying to switch away from my vaultwarden instance…

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do it again a week later for keepass…

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 8:08 PM

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sort of. I've moved to protonpass, but im happy not having all my eggs in one basket

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 8:09 PM

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I make sure to put all my eggs in one basket and put the basket on a table in public lit with a giant neon arrow pointing to it

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that way I can’t lose it

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 8:35 PM

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I might consider keepassxc + syncthing instead of vaultwarden

I've literally been doing this for over 10 years - not with syncthing, with various cloud syncs over time but same idea - and have almost never run into an issue that took more than 10 seconds to solve.

Sometimes low-tech is better. You just don't need a lot of infrastructure to store a few hundred passwords. The worst thing that happens is maybe I have to manually copy-paste something if the browser support doesn't work, like on Safari. I see literally no value proposition in cloud password (or passkey) managers - they're doing the same thing that I can do easily and freely/cheaply, but with greater risks of security breaches, data breaches, downtime and who knows what else.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 9:44 PM

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fighting for my life with syncthing rn

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just trying to sync a folder with nothing in it except a test.txt

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syncthing cli is incredibly confusing

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I can’t for the life of me connect to the web gui on my home server through tailscale

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oh

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I was copying over the wrong device-id the entire time

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TakoTired

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I was trying to sync a folder with itself

supple ether Jul 4, 2024, 9:56 PM

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I can't tell if I did something wrong or if stty cbreak just doesn't fucking work on the wsl terminal

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My suspicion is that it does work but I can't tell because it's piped through windows terminal, which is doing its own cooking

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Maybe I can just install a separate terminal for wsl that doesn't run through windows cli

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 10:21 PM

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safe dragon I can’t for the life of me connect to the web gui on my home server through tail...

You have to go into the syncthing settings and change the listening IP from 127.0.01 to 0.0.0.0

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Then you can connect to its web server

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:21 PM

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o

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I’ll do that someday

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syncthing seems to be working well

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unfortunately neither keepassxc nor syncthing have ios versions

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ios truly is the underdog

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the more I get into funky nerdy tools the more annoyed I get by my iPad

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 10:36 PM

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yeah, I've had to rely on SMB for the ipad

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 10:40 PM

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Did you look at https://keepass.info/download.html ?

KeepassXC is Mac/Linux only but there are a lot of other KeePass iOS clients that are probably compatible.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:41 PM

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yeah keepassium seemed to work at least

rotund violet Jul 4, 2024, 10:41 PM

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I've never been too fussy; XC isn't supported on Android either, I think I'm using KeePassDroid. Mobile in general is different.

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:42 PM

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keepassium wants a subscription even just to use autofill though so I will not be using that

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it's almost 1 am so I will continue my experimentation tomorrow

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in general I've noticed iOS apps are more prone to pay walls

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I'm fine with single purchases though

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I use a paid file explorer on iOS cause the default files app cannot deal with smb shares without throwing exceptions if you as much as look at it wrong

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which isn't ideal when you edit photos on an iPad and need to upload them to your network drive

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paid one has never had a single issue with anything and works wonderfully. Almost makes me forget the atrocious file system iPadOS has

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 10:48 PM

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proton drive will back up photos from iOS to their drive automatically, but I think the app has to be open

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I should look into syncthing for this, but I doubt it'll have an option

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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on android their photo sync seems to work basically just as smoothly as Google photos

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though I stopped using it after I got backups to my home server working

plain heart Jul 4, 2024, 10:49 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

Tenor

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 10:50 PM

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how dare

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:50 PM

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I mean my photos do still ultimately end up on protondrive cause I use it as my failsafe backup

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my syncing system grows evermore complex

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though I think I can just phase out PhotoSync it serves no purpose when I already have syncthing

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 10:52 PM

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theres a photosync on ios, idk if its the same tho

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my syncthings are a web lol

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 10:52 PM

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seems to be

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I sure as hell am not going to take photos with my iPad though

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I suppose I could theoretically attempt to use it to sync my camera's photos but I would prefer to do that manually cause I gotta edit and filter through em anyway

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I have now phased out photosync

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very nice

pliant snow Jul 4, 2024, 11:08 PM

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https://github.com/andmarti1424/sc-im

GitHub

GitHub - andmarti1424/sc-im: sc-im - Spreadsheet Calculator Improvi...

sc-im - Spreadsheet Calculator Improvised -- An ncurses spreadsheet program for terminal - andmarti1424/sc-im

safe dragon Jul 4, 2024, 11:09 PM

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wow

lethal walrus Jul 5, 2024, 3:00 AM

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I've had the obsidian projects plugin installed for a week or two at this point, and I only just figured out how you make one

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oo it's very fancy

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oh I have to make the folder to manage manually

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https://pillow-uses.antibot.fun/e0qr1MhqyV ???

Pillow | nest.rip

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oh i got it

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 7:36 AM

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does python just not use $PATH

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i had to set $PYTHONPATH to get this module to be importable

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then whats the deal with all the other pip packages

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idk

thin estuary Jul 5, 2024, 8:03 AM

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i take back what i said about Vortex breaking the Cobalt Core mods. it turned out to be mods loading files recursively, not expecting the __folder_managed_by_vortex files...

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 12:38 PM

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candid pilot i had to set $PYTHONPATH to get this module to be importable

Yeah setting pythonpath to include my current directory never worked for me

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Current project literally uses a local setup.py to get around it

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 12:47 PM

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https://floorp.app/en

Floorp Browser

Floorp is a new Firefox based browser from Japan with excellent privacy & flexibility.

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It's got the dumbest name ever but its kinda neat

lethal walrus Jul 5, 2024, 12:49 PM

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it's a cool website

worn remnant Jul 5, 2024, 1:06 PM

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pliant snow It's got the dumbest name ever but its kinda neat

you can't call that the dumbest name ever when X is right there

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"X, The Everything App" only the world's largest baby could come up with that

supple mountain Jul 5, 2024, 1:23 PM

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how convenient that the person who came up with that is, in fact, the world's largest baby (derogatory)

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the world's largest baby (complimentary) is, of course, my cat

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floorp is fun to say

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 2:44 PM

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imagine telling someone you use the Floorp browser on your Pop!_OS pc

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they're gonna think you're fucking with them

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damn you can tile two browser tabs next to each other

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 2:48 PM

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they added a button to reopen closed tabs, and its just a simple thing idk why firefox doesnt have it

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i know theres a keyboard shortcut but still

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 2:52 PM

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It's not like, the best browser, but one I found recently that I kind of like using for specific things is Min

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I would never use it as a daily driver for a bunch of reasons but it's actually really nice when I need just one or two web pages open and don't want my whole ass browser sitting open

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 2:56 PM

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pliant snow they added a button to reopen closed tabs, and its just a simple thing idk why f...

Firefox dors have it, in the right click menu on the tab bar. Or History > Recently Closed Tabs for more control

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 2:57 PM

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oh would you look at that

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for some reason the keyboard shortcut for that just stopped working one day on my machine (probably some over-eager plugin), so that'll be nice to have back

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 2:57 PM

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There's also ctrl + shift + t which is what I usually use

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 2:57 PM

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That's what stopped working. No idea why

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 2:58 PM

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Oh weird. That's unfortunate

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Do you use the search shortcuts thing? It's legit one of my favorite Firefox features

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 2:59 PM

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Yeah, I have a few set up, and then I'll use duckduckgo bangs for the rarer ones

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 2:59 PM

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got @sdv for the wiki, among others

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 3:00 PM

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What do i have, let see

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 3:00 PM

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I have several set up. Mycroft Project is great for sites that don't have their own

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 3:00 PM

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wow i didnt even know i had some of these lol

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google, wikipedia, ddg, ddg images, wolfram alpha, youtube, arch linux wiki, AUR, ffxiv wiki

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i apparently have github search too, cant say ive ever used it

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 3:02 PM

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I have google, stardew wiki, tumblr, terraria wiki, wikipedia, youtube, minecraft wiki, mdn, caniuse, fimfiction, mal, and some others

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 3:03 PM

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I don't use their built-in ones for bookmarks, history, whatever tho

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they're there, but i just don't remember what they are

supple ether Jul 5, 2024, 3:03 PM

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I routinely forget those exist

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They're special symbols is the thing

supple mountain Jul 5, 2024, 3:32 PM

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pliant snow they added a button to reopen closed tabs, and its just a simple thing idk why f...

I was gonna say keyboard shortcut lol

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the worst is switching between programs with different keyboard shortcuts and immediately wreaking havoc bc muscle memory

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 4:07 PM

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what is it with ios apps and subscription services

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looked at 4 keepass clients for ios. Two of them lock basic features behind a monthly subscription, one isn’t updated anymore and the other one seems to be the only one with just a one time fee

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unfortunately the one with the one time fee also seems to be like… the least liked one

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unbiased review I’m sure

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 4:12 PM

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Strongbox (which is what I use) is one time purchase

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 4:13 PM

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oh it does have a one time purchase option on the website

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but it’s a hefty fuckin 85 euros

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Yeaaaahh
But I'm lucky I have money to spare, and it's well worth it in my opinion

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 4:14 PM

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I can afford it but it’s a bit much to drop rn before I know if I even like it

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strongbox is the one I installed anyway cause keepassium gives off bad vibes

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mainly because of the above screenshot

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 4:15 PM

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I think it has a 3 month trial

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 4:15 PM

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it does

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I’ll give it a shot

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it seems to be the one that’s got the best vibes to it at least

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 4:17 PM

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It is very good, so you at least have my word for it
I hook it up with a Keepass DB I sync between my phone and PC

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 4:18 PM

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mine should be synced with my home server and phone

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I mean it seems to work

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I don’t have syncthing for my ipad but it seems to work fine working straight from the smb server version

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 5:02 PM

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I don't think the subscription fixation is an iOS thing specifically, every single MBA has a raging boner for subscription revenue and we have far too many MBAs making decisions at tech companies. Maybe it's a little more common in the iOS/Mac ecosystem because those users tend to have more disposable income and thus tolerate it better.

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I do miss the days of being able to just pay for a product. But to be fair, manufacturers don't have to do maintenance on physical goods they sell. Not usually, anyway. So I'm OK with subscriptions if there's strong evidence of active maintenance. If they just want free money then nope.

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Guys, I tried to use the align environment in a table

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Please

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Latex tables

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My sanity

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:17 PM

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you use latex a lot damn

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any yeah subscriptions/"recurring revenue" has been gaining a lot of popularity in recent years. Offering a service instead of a product

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but with iOS vs android I just notice a lot that android tends to have well established free apps with every feature available while an iOS equivalent tends to have some kind of "pro" version

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there's even interesting cases like Anki where Android only has a well established unofficial free app while iOS only has a paid official app

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 5:20 PM

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I feel like that used to be the case up until a few years ago on iOS, now yeah everything seems to be a subscription. The top paid apps on iOS are a bunch of stuff no one has heard of, instead its all free apps with paid plans

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:21 PM

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having death with publishing to the app store I do understand wanting to be paid for it

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it's a fucking nightmare

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I worked on an app that showed a pollution map of your area and apple denied it several times claiming an unnecessary request for GPS permissions

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it's a map...

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publishing to app to the app store ended up taking like 5 months

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:24 PM

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Maybe cus android let u side load stuff

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So it's more appealing to the foss ppl

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:25 PM

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definitely helps... I mean technically apple now does too in my region but they made sure to make it extremely unattractive and essentially worthless to do

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:25 PM

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How does it work?

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:26 PM

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basically third party app stores are allowed but to function they're required to still follow most of the app store rules and require monetary payment per download by the app store developer

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all of their rules together make it worse than just dealing with the app store for anyone other than gigantic corporations

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:27 PM

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That's not quite "just take this apk" side load huh

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:27 PM

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nope

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I'm pretty sure there's another lawsuit going on rn about apple's malicious compliance with the ruling...

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just like the US ruling where they forced Apple to allow alternative payment methods in app other than Apple's own payment system where they then implemented that but still require you to pay like 20% to Apple even when using a third party payment system + having restrictions on how easy it is to find or use

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Apple is a pro at malicious compliance

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they'd rather make people miserable than lose out on a few dollars

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very tiring

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it's a shame they make genuinely good products

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lets them get away with it

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:33 PM

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Let's stage a heist and steal the m2 chip designs

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:33 PM

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I think they're already at M4 now

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 5:35 PM

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excellent, they wont even miss them

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:36 PM

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patiently waiting for the day they give up on iPadOS and just release some touch screen optimized version of MacOS or something

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an OS that actually let's you do things

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rant over

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ranting wasn't even my intention

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 5:38 PM

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people have been saying they'll merge iOS and MacOS for years, but I doubt it'll happen, especially now that they've been giving more attention to the Macs again

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:39 PM

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it's really not even what I want or need tbh. I just want them to stop locking down their iPads. Or at least the fuckin iPad pros

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the balls to market it as a device for professionals

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:39 PM

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Would you enjoy a windows tablet ducks

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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honestly it'd probably be a better experience for me personally

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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Have u considered funny chinese tablets that are banned from google play

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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I'll take jank over just being told I am not allowed to do something for arbitrary apple reasons

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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What about tiny sock wool and tiny sock needles

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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rain apex Have u considered funny chinese tablets that are banned from google play

they're ideal of course

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:40 PM

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Tbh I've owned tablets in thr past

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For some reason though

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Possibly because my eyes are good and I don't game

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I almost always just use my phone

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:41 PM

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my mom's got a Samsung tablet. It's quite good

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:41 PM

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What would I use a tablet for

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That isn't better served with either

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My phone. My spiral

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Or my actual laptop

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:42 PM

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what's a spiral

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:42 PM

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safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:42 PM

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oh

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how simple

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:43 PM

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I'm a luddite

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:44 PM

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ultimately all I really need is some lightweight device I can easy bring with me that allows me to process and edit my photos

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I'll probably just get a lightweight laptop after this iPad dies

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unfortunately the iPad is 6 years old and has shown no signs of dying

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so no excuse yet

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damn you apple for making devices that actually keep working unlike my android phones that seemingly just get worse with every major version release

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I may dislike my iPad but I dislike spending money when I don't need to even more

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:47 PM

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Haha meanwhile I use physical spirals for things too

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:48 PM

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can it edit my photos...

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:48 PM

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No

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:48 PM

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hc_pensive

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:49 PM

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notebook can do many things

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but not that

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 5:49 PM

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safe dragon can it edit my photos...

with a steady hand and a paintbrush you can

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 5:49 PM

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sounds like you just need a portable film printer

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:50 PM

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I’m sure they’re more convenient to carry around than a laptop

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 5:51 PM

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wild, insubstantiated, and likely completely wrong opinion: if the Steam Deck gets an actually usable touch screen it'd kill every other tablet on the market

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:51 PM

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Meh

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:51 PM

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I have a steam deck sitting right next to me rn

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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I do basic image editing on my phone tbh

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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I don’t see myself editing photo on a screen that tiny

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Big phone. Samsung

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As I said I have good eyes

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For detail work I would go to my laptop and the excessive screen real estate anyways

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:52 PM

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when I say editing photos I mean taking raws from an sd card, processing the raws and then editing before uploading em to my network drive

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hc_pensive

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laptop someday

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when this ipad dies

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 5:53 PM

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Oh I basically don't take photos

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Of anything

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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photography is one of my hobbies so I do in fact take photos. Rarely of people but they do be photos

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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i only take photos of my dog

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because he is a silly boy

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:54 PM

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I take many photos of cats though those are usually with my phone not my camera

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those I do not edit

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cats are already perfect

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no editing required

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:55 PM

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yes_pink

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same with dogs...

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:55 PM

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I did recently realize while sorting through all my files that I don’t have even a single photo of a dog

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my bias is apparent

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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SBVCatGasp

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:56 PM

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I have more pictures of indian runner ducks than dogs

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and I’m in western europe

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I do actually like dogs idk why this happened

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:57 PM

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perhaps there are no dogs near u

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very sad

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:57 PM

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my dad has 2 cats, my sister has a cat, my mom has 2 cats

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:57 PM

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not enough doggos

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 5:57 PM

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my grandparents both had a dog

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but that was before I had anything to take photos with

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wait

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no I found a dog

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I have dog

modest steppe Jul 5, 2024, 5:58 PM

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DOG!!!

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 6:01 PM

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behold. dog.

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5 year old picture

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but it is a dog

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Dog!!!

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 8:19 PM

#

safe dragon but with iOS vs android I just notice a lot that android tends to have well esta...

I honestly prefer the subscription model over having janky, ridiculous ads jammed in my face every time I go to check the weather or my to-do list. I think on the Apple side there's a recognition that some users would at least like the option to go ad-free, whereas in the Google/Android ecosystem it's totally unthinkable.

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I use Adguard to block them all on Android, of course, but the principle is valid.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:19 PM

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none of the apps I use on android have ads, what are you using?

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not counting youtube and twitch I suppose

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paying for an adfree version is common practice on android too

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 8:20 PM

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Any social media app; any video/audio streaming app; even basic stuff like weather or news (back when I read news).

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Obviously something like a banking app won't serve ads, but that kind of app wouldn't have a subscription model either.

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I don't remember precisely which apps have the most obnoxious ads anymore because they're all blocked.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:22 PM

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I've never noticed any difference at all between those categories on android vs iOS. They always have ads

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hell most social media platforms are ad agencies

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unless you mean apps like vlc and mpv but they don't have ads on Android

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I am a big supporter though of having a free ad supported version and then a single time payment for an ad free version

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subscriptions can be okay too depending on what kind of service it is that it gives

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:29 PM

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SOURCE_COMPLETE = Waits for the Source COMPLETE event

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Thanks, docs

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(No, there are not docs on what the Source Complete event means)

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:31 PM

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my favorite kinds of docs

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had to figure out something for a card reader at work at one point had came across like ESC_1 or something and the only docs were “sends ESC signal connector 1” or something

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no fruther information of what that means

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:33 PM

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There is another section

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Where the datatype is listed as "bool"

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:33 PM

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I think it ended up being a signal to open the cash drawer of the cash register

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:33 PM

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So I set it as True

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But that is a TypeError

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:33 PM

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how about 1

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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....sorry, ni, am I just wrong at what a bool js?

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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javascript has no idea what a type is it can’t tell you

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Ah

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The only value I can set it to is 0

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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just 0

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Not a supported property

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:34 PM

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hc_pensive

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the source will never be completed

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whatever that may mean

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 8:36 PM

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I fucking hate NI

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Hey crumble do me a favor

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Google "how do I do generics in python"

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My god i thought I didn't understand covariance before

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What do you mean bool?

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 8:56 PM

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python has generics?

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wouldnt generics require like, a type system

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oh the type hints

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Anyways

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After ten minutes of research I have written

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T = TypeVar("T", bound=Hashable)

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 9:07 PM

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gratz

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 9:31 PM

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cinder karma Current project literally uses a local setup.py to get around it

what is wronggg with python

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 9:38 PM

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A lot

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Ahhh

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No null collapse operatirrrrr

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 9:43 PM

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um smh it’s called the null coalescing operator

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:09 PM

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found a um infix hack thing for python

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# definition of an Infix operator class
# this recipe also works in jython
# calling sequence for the infix is either:
#  x |op| y
# or:
# x <<op>> y

class Infix:
    def __init__(self, function):
        self.function = function
    def __ror__(self, other):
        return Infix(lambda x, self=self, other=other: self.function(other, x))
    def __or__(self, other):
        return self.function(other)
    def __rlshift__(self, other):
        return Infix(lambda x, self=self, other=other: self.function(other, x))
    def __rshift__(self, other):
        return self.function(other)
    def __call__(self, value1, value2):
        return self.function(value1, value2)

# Examples

# simple multiplication
x=Infix(lambda x,y: x*y)
print 2 |x| 4
# => 8

# class checking
isa=Infix(lambda x,y: x.__class__==y.__class__)
print [1,2,3] |isa| []
print [1,2,3] <<isa>> []
# => True

# inclusion checking
is_in=Infix(lambda x,y: y.has_key(x))
print 1 |is_in| {1:'one'}
print 1 <<is_in>> {1:'one'}
# => True

# an infix div operator
import operator
div=Infix(operator.div)
print 10 |div| (4 |div| 2)
# => 5

# functional programming (not working in jython, use the "curry" recipe! )
def curry(f,x):
    def curried_function(*args, **kw):
        return f(*((x,)+args),**kw)
    return curried_function
curry=Infix(curry)

add5= operator.add |curry| 5
print add5(6)
# => 11

(https://code.activestate.com/recipes/384122-infix-operators/)

so you can probably define a null coalesce operator but it's like super hacky 😭

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:11 PM

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a lil

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:12 PM

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Just a little

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:12 PM

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hmm

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:15 PM

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There is pymaybe

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:15 PM

#

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who needs null coalescing

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:16 PM

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Okay but what if x=0

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Or x=[]

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:16 PM

#

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shame

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only a minor issue

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:17 PM

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what would you want it to do

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:17 PM

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exactly what it’s doing but in this case we’re trying to get null coalescing

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in javascript or C# that’s denoted with ??

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where the first value is used unless it is null, then it takes the value after

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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you could do like:

NullC = Infix(lambda x,y : x if x else y)

given_title = "yay!"

title = given_title |NullC| "My Title"
print(title) # "yay!"

expected_class = None

my_class = expected_class |NullC| int
print(my_class) # <class 'int'>

??

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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very handy for dealing with the the evil thing that is null

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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Will I be murdered for introducing pymaybe into this codebase

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We don't all know haskell

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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not by me

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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(I know I know)

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM

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they're going to execute you sorry

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM

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I just don’t like the name maybe

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I prefer the name option

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM

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new bool for when you're unsure

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM

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safe dragon where the first value is used unless it is null, then it takes the value after

x if x is not None else y

I suppose

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:20 PM

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yes

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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theres no Null in py

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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oh whoops, None

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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pliant snow ```py x if x is not None else y ``` I suppose

Yeah. I hate this

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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None, null, nil… all evil

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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I'm gonna be honest, I like that a lot better than many other options. It's clear and consise

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:22 PM

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the null coalescing operator is clear and concise too once you know what it does

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which you will learn very quickly if you ever work with a modern C# codebase

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:23 PM

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python should let you define operators

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not sure if i truly believe this but it could be fun

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Oh god no

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:23 PM

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safe dragon which you will learn very quickly if you ever work with a modern C# codebase

Or JS

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:23 PM

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if haskell allows it then it’s gotta be a good idea

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:23 PM

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They should just implement the same operators every one has

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Anyways

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I like pymaybe

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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be like haskell and have so many operators it requires a full month course to understand just the popular ones

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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i need to learn haskell or some other functional language

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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haskell is… an experience

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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~~learn rust instead, it's easier~~

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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bc how i think when programming is already in like a functional sense sorta.

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objects are not really intuitive to me

rain apex Jul 5, 2024, 10:25 PM

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have u considered perl

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:25 PM

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no

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:25 PM

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I mean I need to brush up on my Haskell

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:26 PM

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candid pilot bc how i think when programming is already in like a functional sense sorta.

(tbh same, what I like most about Rust is its functional features, which is like not even the lang's main defining feature)

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:26 PM

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I’ve seen mousey write enough perl to know I have no interest in getting into that one

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:26 PM

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As one of the few people in the world with a good reason to use Haskell in production

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:26 PM

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a rare breed

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:26 PM

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(Hint: fpga code)

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Don't get me wrong I like Rust too

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:27 PM

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is rust good with functional stuff

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:27 PM

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And not for the functional-ness

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More for the compiler telling me off

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:27 PM

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i know like nothing abt rust sorry

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:27 PM

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I do think it’s valuable to give pure functional a proper try at least once in your programming journey. Most functional programming languages aren’t nearly as complicated or mathematician oriented as haskell is but it’s kinda a grandfather of the paradigm at this point

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:28 PM

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safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:28 PM

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rust took a lot of stuff from functional programming yes to the point that haskell programmers are often willing to use it

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but

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it’s also not really a language that in any way forces you to write in a functional programming style

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I’m here rn building my file server backend in rust

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Yeah, it's mainly imperative but with very decent functional syntax
(And just enough OO to sate the C++ converters, but nothing more)

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Anyways

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Pymaybe feels good to me

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Anyways

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:30 PM

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cinder karma

i love how the difficulty just goes to infinity for a second

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:30 PM

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But like

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:31 PM

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our lord and savior Nim has user defined operators

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what else could you want

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:31 PM

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It provably would be a Problem

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:31 PM

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should I use Nim for the next AoC aquo

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:31 PM

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thats the spirit

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idk what I'm gonna use

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:31 PM

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also i love how async/await starts the spiral

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:32 PM

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async/await in rust is one of the pain points…

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:32 PM

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in what language is it not

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:32 PM

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it’s getting better… slowly

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C# async await might be a lot more complicated and annoying than it looks at first glance but at least it’s easy to use

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rust’s async… is not

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:33 PM

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got it

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:34 PM

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Rust's async/await is, for better or for worse, a feature borne out of response to real world considerations and demand. It does make Rust more attractive to real world adoption

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:35 PM

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honestly once you just slap on an async runtime like tokio it’s fine till you want to use async and traits together

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it’s at least now technically possible without async_trait but the docs I think still state to avoid using it in anything but private use

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🙏

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:36 PM

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It could be worse you could be in labview

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:37 PM

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honestly you seem to work with a lot of things I don’t want to deal with…

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to be fair I work with VB.NET sometimes which most people also don’t want to deal with

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but it’s not horrible

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the syntax is just very painful

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:38 PM

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I'm not a programmer lol

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:38 PM

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Guess I'm lucky I get to work with a tech stack that doesn't make me want to shoot myself
(The downside is that said stack is so insular no one else outside the company uses it, so I'm boned if I leave)

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:39 PM

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I find it hard to even say what I do cause I work on a large variety of applications sometimes within the same day

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it’s mostly web related but not always

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:40 PM

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candid pilot i love how the difficulty just goes to infinity for a second

That's when you decide to try Haskell instead

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I've gotta get my Clash skills up

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:41 PM

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clash of clans

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:41 PM

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Haskell Clash

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:41 PM

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cinder karma That's when you decide to try Haskell instead

OHH i get the joke lol

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:41 PM

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https://clash-lang.org/

Home

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:42 PM

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I’m simultaneously in the looping thing at the end of that graph and at “wtf is a Cow<>”

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:42 PM

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Copy on write

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:42 PM

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yes

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well

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no

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clone on write

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:42 PM

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Probably one of the most straightforward concepts on that graph

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Shockah loves it, and by that I mean Shockah loves swift

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Visual Studio's code suggestions are normally very good, but this one amused me.

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:43 PM

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lmao

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:43 PM

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that’s very new

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:43 PM

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i got free copilot like months ago and well it sucks

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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rotund violet Visual Studio's code suggestions are normally very good, but this one amused me.

I think this is the llm glitching

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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I’ve had very good experiences with copilot, the autocomplete that is. I don’t use the chat shit at all

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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It once asked me if I wanted infinite IntPointers

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Also did infinite lambda once

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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yeah the autocomplete

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it sucked for me

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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My favorite was when it completed #if DEBUG

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To #if DEBUG.log

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:45 PM

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I'm not sure if this stuff is LLM - maybe it is, although I started getting these suggestions a few years ago before Copilot and such were really a thing. It's mostly really great at automating the annoying boilerplate like repeating the same logic 4 times in a row for left/right/top/bottom, but yeah, sometimes the suggestions are hilarious.

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I have been decidedly more unhappy on the JetBrains side.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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this is my favorite suggestion copilot has ever given me

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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Still the best one I got was being able to write struct Result< and the ai did 80% of the rest

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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The Java school of naming

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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Haha... I think Microsoft's system might be an expert system, or some hybrid AI/ES.

pliant snow Jul 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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my favorite copilot suggestion was someone elses name at the top of the file

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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git blame

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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My favorite I saw on Twitter was it adding "this is a bit hackish" in the auto-generated comment

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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omg

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my favorite was when it wanted to write a comment that said like "not the best way to do this, but"

supple mountain Jul 5, 2024, 10:48 PM

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"not the best way to do this, but" THEN WHAT IS, AI????

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the ai is just giving itself a little cheeky comment, as a treat

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:49 PM

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ai can't think for itself it doesn't know

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:49 PM

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honestly though 99% of the time copilot saves me quite a bit of typing.
Though today I was writing some unit tests rounding error correction stuff for invoices/bookkeeping and every time copilot would suggest a unit test it would just be fundamentally incorrect

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I was actually incredibly surprised when it at one point gave me a value that was actually correct

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I triple checked it cause I didn’t see that coming

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:50 PM

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Yeah I still have to check it's work

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But still saves typing

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For chatgpt I get the best results asking it to do simple latex tasks

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It introduced me to the needspace lib today

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:51 PM

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copilot is great for learning a new library tbh as long as it’s big enough to be in the training set enough

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:52 PM

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For me it is more useful in latex land just telling me what exists

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There are sooooo many libs

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:52 PM

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it will fuck up a lot but it will tell you about functions you didn’t even know existed

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though for some languages like javascript it just hallucinates functions that actually don’t exist

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I’ve found copilot does a lot better on strongly typed languages

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and for elixir it’s honestly just harmful

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it does not work

fleet wren Jul 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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Javascript is the wild wild west, maybe it does exist but in some bumfuck library named after a coffee type

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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See crumble

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You laugh at my tech stack

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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knowing javascript it definitely does exist somewhere

cinder karma Jul 5, 2024, 10:55 PM

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But for a hardware dev my tech stack is among the more sane

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And I don't touch Javascript ever

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Look, older hardware engineers use perl and tsh

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:55 PM

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I mostly don’t touch javascript… I write it maybe once a twice a month…

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tsh just sounds like disapproval

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:55 PM

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Pretty much, it automates some of the typing for me, not the thinking. Which is nice, since typing is the tedious part.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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I mostly just find the tech you work with fascinating cause I have never heard of any of it

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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That was like... 20 seconds late. But you get the idea of what I was replying to.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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yes

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fpga programming or really anything related to the entire field of hardware and embedded programming is unknown to me

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:57 PM

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You should see the ultra-narrow tools for the $10 MCUs, at least FPGAs are sort of general.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:58 PM

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a 10 dollar marvel cinematic universe

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 10:58 PM

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If you want to play around with, I don't know, a SAM D10 or something, it's all vendor-specific tooling and languages.

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 10:58 PM

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safe dragon though for some languages like javascript it just hallucinates functions that ac...

this is soo funny to me

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 10:59 PM

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honestly it’s incredible that despite javascript offering basically nothing to allow your code to be self documenting, most libraries are also not documented outside of that either

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you just have some black box you import and then have no idea what to do with

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cause dotting into it does nothing

candid pilot Jul 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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horrid language

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Most of the industry has moved to TypeScript by now. Or if not most, then a very large part.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 11:01 PM

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I'm sure it is but the only thing I write Javascript for is still using jquery 1

rotund violet Jul 5, 2024, 11:01 PM

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Sad.

safe dragon Jul 5, 2024, 11:02 PM

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I'll be diving into typescript world soon for hobby stuff

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 12:55 AM

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is there a decent way to sort of curry class objects in python <- insane

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 1:36 AM

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is partial insufficient

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 1:42 AM

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well it can't possibly be a true curry i think without the class being set up in a specific way? i did something like this as a proof of concept i guess

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wait im sending that as a file

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📎 proof_of_concept.py

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idk

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some of the code is ugly please forgive me

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:38 AM

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constructors in python are just functions so i guess it depends on whether you care about the result being a real subclass

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>>> class Foobar:
...     def __init__(self, x, y):
...         self.x = x
...         self.y = y
... 
>>> from functools import partial
>>> partial(Foobar, 1)(2)
<__main__.Foobar object at 0x7d8f1c13a600>
>>> inst = partial(Foobar, 1)(2)
>>> inst.x
1
>>> inst.y
2

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 2:41 AM

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does it work with non positional args

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:42 AM

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like kwargs?

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yea it should

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 2:43 AM

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ooh

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omg thats so much simpler than what i've been doing. i didn't see functools.partial when i was looking things up but maybe i just looked up the wrong things

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:46 AM

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>>> class Foobar:
...     def __init__(self, arg1, arg2=None, **kwargs):
...         self.arg1 = arg1
...         self.arg2 = arg2
...         self.kwargs = kwargs
>>> inst1 = partial(Foobar, 1, arg2=2, any=20)(test="weeee")
>>> inst1
<__main__.Foobar object at 0x74d4599970b0>
>>> inst1.arg1
1
>>> inst1.arg2
2
>>> inst1.kwargs
{'any': 20, 'test': 'weeee'}

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 2:46 AM

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thank you

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:46 AM

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honk language tbh

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 2:46 AM

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functools is the best

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also take a look at dataclasses

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:47 AM

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i did try *args actually but it'll get confused

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so just stick to kwargs

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 2:47 AM

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yeah i've seen a lot of great things from functools. never this though

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tysm

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 2:47 AM

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I also use itertools and collections quite a bit

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 2:48 AM

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defaultdict my beloved

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 2:49 AM

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yesssss

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namedtuple is pretty good too

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and oocccassionally I want a deque

candid pilot Jul 6, 2024, 2:51 AM

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oh partial is so convenient i'll be using this all the time omg

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 9:08 AM

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safe dragon unfortunately the iPad is 6 years old and has shown no signs of dying

did I curse myself?

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I’m getting phantom touch screen inputs

thin estuary Jul 6, 2024, 9:55 AM

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Is your iPad plugged in?

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I’ve seen that sometimes happen with some cables on an iPhone

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Also sometimes just restarting the iPhone fixed that

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 9:57 AM

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it is plugged in yeah

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idk they’ve stopped for now

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one look at laptop prices is enough to motivate me to keep using this thing till it’s essentially unusable anyway

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 11:09 AM

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Do you guys not get the chance to buy gently pre-used laptops off work?

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 11:41 AM

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no

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I'd need to become friends with the IT department for that

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 11:48 AM

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Worth it

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 12:01 PM

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they're not the most sociable folks I'll be honest

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 12:03 PM

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You run linux so that is a common interest

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 12:04 PM

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I don't think they run linux

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even our servers are windows servers

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 12:10 PM

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thats why theyre not socialable right there

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https://www.nicholashairs.com/posts/major-changes-between-python-versions/

NicholasHairs.com

Summary of Major Changes Between Python Versions

A quick reference for the major changes introduced with each new version of Python.

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intereting list

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 3:43 PM

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Are the only real options for cross-platform GUI still just GTK or Qt

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Maybe wxwidgets...

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I want to use qt, but i really don't like their editor

ivory shadow Jul 6, 2024, 3:49 PM

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There's Avalonia if you liked WPF.

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(and are also using .net)

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 3:50 PM

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Nah, it's a C++ project

ivory shadow Jul 6, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Probably just the ones you named then

fleet wren Jul 6, 2024, 4:00 PM

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I'd recommend Tauri ~~like the Rust shill I am~~ but you mentioned C++, heh
Someone linked this a while ago, may be helpful: https://github.com/sudhakar3697/awesome-electron-alternatives

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Though personally I'll stick it out with Qt

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 4:02 PM

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You don't have to use qt editor if u don't wanna

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Can write qml or just call the widgets in code

fleet wren Jul 6, 2024, 4:04 PM

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Though writing widgets purely in code is a bit of a pain
QML is awesome, but you're sacrificing native looks in return (then again, GUI programs stopped caring about native widgets like half a decade ago)

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 4:05 PM

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I find setting up the signals/slots more intuitive in code

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 4:26 PM

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It's annoying to compile, but yeah I think I can use just their UI editor, then edit code elsewhere, once the compiler is set up

crystal wren Jul 6, 2024, 5:30 PM

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pliant snow Are the only real options for cross-platform GUI still just GTK or Qt

https://www.noesisengine.com/

There's this if you don't mind it probably needing some kind of hardware acceleration.

NoesisGUI

C++ Game UI Framework | NoesisGUI

NoesisGUI is a lightweight cross-platform C++ game user interface library based on XAML and optimized for GPUs

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 5:35 PM

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hmmm. I'm looking for something more native window-esque

crystal wren Jul 6, 2024, 5:37 PM

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wxWidgets is still a thing!

pliant snow Jul 6, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Yeah, it's between Qt and wxWidgets. I think I'm going to stick with Qt for now unless it drives me nuts. I'm not doing anything too complex

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 6:03 PM

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Pythooooonnnnnnn whyyyyyy

rain apex Jul 6, 2024, 6:03 PM

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snakey

cinder karma Jul 6, 2024, 6:03 PM

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I just spent fifteen minutes trying to figure out WHY my changes aren't taking effect

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Yes, running setup.py in between

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That ONE file wasn't updating because whyyyyy

safe dragon Jul 6, 2024, 6:19 PM

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gui frameworks continue to be few and far between as far as actually good ones go

rotund violet Jul 6, 2024, 6:20 PM

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It's just so much easier to do with web frameworks (using Tauri/Electron/etc. as necessary).

crystal wren Jul 6, 2024, 6:21 PM

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