#programmers-off-topic | Stardew Valley | Page 6

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:18 PM

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that and lack of variable typing are the two reasons I would recommend someone learn C# or Java or something else

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:18 PM

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i'll just stick to C#/Swift/Kotlin

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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it makes a readable sentence!

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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I'll make em learn haskell first and see who remains

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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hmmmmmmmm

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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gotta weed out the weak

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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I would not have learned to program if I started in Haskell

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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It took me a minute to realize where there's so many C# programmers here lol

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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neither would I have

marble jewel Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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Programming in a few years is just going to be your native (spoken) language compiled directly to machine code

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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i dont hear much about C#, until I come in here

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:19 PM

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I'm not really convinced I learned Haskell at all, and I knew at least two other languages first

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such a mystery, aquo SDVpuffersquee

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:20 PM

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I did all 25 days of advent of code 2022 in haskell and I still feel like I barely understand its basic function operators

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:20 PM

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fwiw, i don't exactly like C#, but it does its job and makes for moddable games

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:20 PM

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I like modern C# but it's got a lot of baggage

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Is it better or worse than the Lua ternary

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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do they put it at the end

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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I like C# better than Java, and I don't know enough nice OOP type languages to speak confidently

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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oh no, not the Lua "ternary"

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Like, i also wouldn't start someone out in Javascript

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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i still prefer Lua's one i think

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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they should learn something before they learn crimes

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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local bar = foo and 1 or 0

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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what

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:21 PM

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that's incomprehensible

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:22 PM

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That's Lua™️

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:22 PM

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oh I've seen that garbage in javascript before

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:22 PM

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I've heard people use TypeScript or Julia or such in intro classes

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But I don't know either of those

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:22 PM

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have fun if you want to return a falsish value if the condition is true

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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local bar = foo and false or true

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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I also don't know C or C++, my impression is that they're good languages to know but perhaps a little terrifying as intros

frosty echo Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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pliant snow ```lua local bar = foo and 1 or 0 ```

You can do that in JS too I think

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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you can indeed

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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I can work in a C/C++ codebase fine, but if I had to actually start a new project, I'd have to look up some stuff lol

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

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javascript does have an actual genuine ternary operator though

marble jewel Apr 2, 2024, 8:24 PM

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The good thing about learning C/C++ is it forces you to learn more about how the code sits on top of the hardware. It's easy to disconnect from concepts like memory in C#.

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:24 PM

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hell C# sometimes makes it difficult to even still know what's going on with the memory

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:24 PM

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safe dragon `local bar = foo and false or true`

yeeep, that always gets you true

wild swan Apr 2, 2024, 8:24 PM

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safe dragon javascript does have an actual genuine ternary operator though

great for shoving things all in one line or for write-once and fear touching again code

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:25 PM

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ternary operators are quite useful I think and easily readable

wild swan Apr 2, 2024, 8:25 PM

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they are, best not to overuse them though

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:25 PM

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gotta save those precious lines...

marble jewel Apr 2, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Best not to overly nest them

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:26 PM

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I never ever nest ternary operators

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at that point I rewrite

wild swan Apr 2, 2024, 8:26 PM

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null coalescing is a neat alternative

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if possible

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:26 PM

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in an ideal world we wouldn't have null hc_pensive

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all languages would've settled on an Option or Result type

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and we'd be happier

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ok haskell can keep its Maybe instead of Option

sand frost Apr 2, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Honestly I am not convinced my teacher was wrong to start us out in Lisp

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:28 PM

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Lisp is a path to things the Jedi would consider... unnatural

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:28 PM

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I should probably try a lisp even though I find it very ugly

cinder karma Apr 2, 2024, 8:28 PM

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marble jewel The good thing about learning C/C++ is it forces you to learn more about how the...

See you say that but I feel like I have to be more on top of shit in c#

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No automatic smid

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:29 PM

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love rust's memory management solution but definitely understand why most languages stay away from it

marble jewel Apr 2, 2024, 8:29 PM

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You're able to pay attention to it, but most people can and do ignore it

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:30 PM

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It's okay, when Nim transcends to it's rightful place, we all can live in harmony

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 8:30 PM

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I'm still praying that I will wake up someday though and see a new blog from the dotnet team talking about how they managed to rewrite the LINQ functions to be allocation free and essentially be unrolled into an optimized loop like they are in rust...

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I don't expect this to happen

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but it'd be nice

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all our C# applications are a bit of a memory usage nightmare tbh

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they all use an unreasonable amount of memory

fossil hinge Apr 2, 2024, 8:37 PM

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I had to write some code to grab the SDL2 version out of a running process

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sdl_get_version_addr = Module.findExportByName('libSDL2-2.0.0.dylib', 'SDL_GetVersion')
sdL_version_memory = Memory.alloc(3)
var sdl_version = new NativePointer(sdL_version_memory)
var sdl_get_version_call = new NativeFunction(sdl_get_version_addr, 'void', ['pointer']
)

sdl_get_version_call(sdL_version_memory)
console.log(Memory.readU8(sdl_version)+'.'+Memory.readU8(sdl_version.add(1))+'.'+Memory.readU8(sdl_version.add(2)))

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Stardew uses 2.0.14 of SDL2

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I've seen 2.0.18 launch without issues

thin estuary Apr 2, 2024, 8:39 PM

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this isn't a Stardew channel though

fossil hinge Apr 2, 2024, 8:40 PM

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Well #making-mods-general is busy

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Whatever I'll move over there

pliant snow Apr 2, 2024, 8:43 PM

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I think this channel would still apply

cinder karma Apr 2, 2024, 9:15 PM

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In a real way I feel like the rust compiler has my back

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While in c# I feel naked and alone trying to thread

safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 9:46 PM

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and for Javascript I feel like someone's actively trying to sabotage me

marble jewel Apr 2, 2024, 9:50 PM

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safe dragon Apr 2, 2024, 9:51 PM

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I do honestly like html5

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mostly because it really doesn't need to do that much

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glad he shills his courses even in the april fools video lmao

ivory shadow Apr 2, 2024, 10:11 PM

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Matt don't make me come over there

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lol

lethal walrus Apr 3, 2024, 12:01 AM

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Made me think of this (snake, html only) https://grahamthe.dev/demos/snake/

ivory shadow Apr 3, 2024, 12:04 AM

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(As to not polute #making-mods-general ...)

As someone who has used TypeScript for her day job, it's better than nothing but wow do I spend a lot of time fighting with it sometimes compared to other typed languages.

lethal walrus Apr 3, 2024, 12:07 AM

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as unknown as any solves all problems

ivory shadow Apr 3, 2024, 12:08 AM

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any notlikeblob

cinder karma Apr 3, 2024, 12:26 AM

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ivory shadow (As to not polute <#156109690059751424> ...) As someone who has used TypeScript...

my current tech stack already includes python and....fuckign labview

ivory shadow Apr 3, 2024, 12:34 AM

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I mean TypeScript would be a step up over Python at least.

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(For me, that is.)

cinder karma Apr 3, 2024, 12:38 AM

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I dont' enjoy the idea of writing c code to bridge typescript and labview

bronze idol Apr 3, 2024, 4:26 AM

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we're learning blazor. i'm kind of a C# fan, but i started in C++ and then didn't really cut my teeth until java

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so i just like C# because it's like stuff i know

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but blazor is neat, i'm having fun with it

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"we" i'm not plural, i just mean us at irl work

safe dragon Apr 3, 2024, 8:14 AM

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Blazor is pretty nice though it has a few quirks that drive me nuts

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main issue I'd say is just that it performs poorly

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the new hybrid render mode might fix some of the issues I had but it's too late to rewrite the project for that now

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though I've heard mixed things about it

cinder karma Apr 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

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LabVIEW is a write only language

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My God j miss being able to right click and see WHO mutated my global

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Without my permission

sand frost Apr 4, 2024, 3:50 AM

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The ISO 639-1 two letter list of languages is trash

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It doesn't include Cebuano, a language with 20 million speaker, but does include Nauru, with 10,000

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Also all Chinese is zh (pay no attention to Cantonese (spoken differences) or traditional vs. simplified (glyph differences))

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I guess it's maybe the best we have for LanguageCode but...

cinder karma Apr 4, 2024, 3:55 AM

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What brought this on?

sand frost Apr 4, 2024, 3:56 AM

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I went down a rabbit hole

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It went through a lot of places

cinder karma Apr 4, 2024, 3:56 AM

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I love rabbit holes!

sand frost Apr 4, 2024, 3:56 AM

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But one of them was the custom languages part of the wiki

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https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjwo7ttb1tcsc1.jpeg one of them was this

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and some of the others were the ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3 lists

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Basically reading down them to see what ISO decided was/wasn't level 1 tier

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And it seems incredibly based on country borders

cinder karma Apr 4, 2024, 3:58 AM

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Ahhhhhg

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Do cats get their own language

sand frost Apr 4, 2024, 3:58 AM

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Not as far as I know SDVpuffersquee

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Rust is the cat ears language, right?

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Or was that the knee socks?

cinder karma Apr 4, 2024, 4:00 AM

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...both

sand frost Apr 4, 2024, 4:01 AM

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Perhaps cats can have Rust, then

hidden jungle Apr 4, 2024, 4:05 AM

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cat for catalan

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i just realize toki pona is listed on ISO 639-3 SDVpufferpoggers

hidden jungle Apr 4, 2024, 4:07 AM

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sand frost <https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjwo7ttb1tcsc1.jpeg> ...

also esperanto as 1st language? SDVpuffertroll

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:27 PM

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So this is... definitely more than just font rendering weirdness, I'm happy/annoyed to report!

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So I opened GIMP, and drew a jagged diagonal line in each primary colour. Then screenshotted each at 100% zoom to try to sanity check and rule out the font rendering.

I got... interesting results.

safe dragon Apr 4, 2024, 1:29 PM

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👀

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:32 PM

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I am officially in what the shit mode.

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8x'd for viewability on Discord, but uhh...

safe dragon Apr 4, 2024, 1:34 PM

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why is there antialiasing on gimp pixels

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:35 PM

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That's just the thing... there is none (at least in the original). That's the source for the screenshots.

sonic mirage Apr 4, 2024, 1:36 PM

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Could something be compensating for an unusual subpixel layout of a monitor?

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:37 PM

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Yeah, that's the only working theory.

safe dragon Apr 4, 2024, 1:37 PM

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it's very strange

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blue doesn't have the issue either

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is it some strange type of display panel

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:38 PM

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It's not some abnormal subpixel layout either though is the thing.

safe dragon Apr 4, 2024, 1:39 PM

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regular ol rgb

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:40 PM

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And it definitely only happens on this one monitor, which is fine in Windows.

sonic mirage Apr 4, 2024, 1:41 PM

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So either a display driver or whatever is used to adjust the ICC profile, I guess

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:41 PM

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So it's clearly not just sneakily running at 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 chroma, because blue is fine.

sonic mirage Apr 4, 2024, 1:42 PM

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It's really like your display driver thinks your monitor has a different subpixel layout, which is an interesting issue to have

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Or I guess whatever runs on top of the driver that would apply smoothing

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You don't have like ReShade or something running somehow

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:43 PM

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name:           amdgpu
vermagic:       6.1.0-18-amd64 SMP preempt mod_unload modversions

Yeah, not some abnormally old version of this or anything...

sonic mirage Apr 4, 2024, 1:45 PM

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or if not ReShade maybe like a blue light filter or "night mode" that filters out blue for later at night

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I wouldn't think that'd do this antialiasing though

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weird

safe dragon Apr 4, 2024, 1:45 PM

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KDE does have a built in one but I can't imagine it doing that

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I wonder if you wouldn't have the problem if you switched to the proprietary amd drivers

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:47 PM

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...lemme flip my display horizontally in software and see if it's somehow trying to use BGR.

thin estuary Apr 4, 2024, 1:47 PM

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i'm not sure what i'm looking at, considering the blue line image seems to be done at a different scale - the dashed lines around the image don't match up with the others'

crystal wren Apr 4, 2024, 1:48 PM

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The XCF those screenshots were taken from is up there. I think that was just me drawing it slightly differently!

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Oh wow... Shockah, yeah, that is something*.

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In the source, the blue line is identical to the others. But GIMP is... also rendering that badly at 100%?

winged grove Apr 5, 2024, 1:34 AM

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what kind of features could be added in stardew valley base game if it was on lets say the latest .net? It just makes me curious for future updates to stardew valley and what could be added a later patch down the road. This is bugging me

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 1:38 AM

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What do you know about net 7 and 8?

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Unless you're a performance geek, there isn't really much new that would be useful in the context of video game

winged grove Apr 5, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Nothing i'm no programmer but just interested in what features add from version to version. Just wondering if every update to stardew he might update his version for more added features

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Then again would you get faster loader with the newest version? That might be a added plus?

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 1:41 AM

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There is better simd support. The regexes get faster

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Like, unless you are some sort of performance geek you really don't care about this stuff.

winged grove Apr 5, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Ah I see, so better loading speeds but then again it might help modding?

sonic mirage Apr 5, 2024, 1:57 AM

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They also keep an older compatibility branch of the game up-to-date (due to the big random bug in Mono) that has to be built against .NET Framework, so they can't get too advanced with the .NET stuff.

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 6:41 AM

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It’s unlikely Stardew will ever update .NET again

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Doing so would drop support for older versions of Windows

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 6:50 AM

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Don't get me wrong I'm super happy with the new regex I just don't really think it matters in the context of stardew

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:05 AM

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static interface members would be nice, but oh well

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:26 AM

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just update to the newest version of .NET smh ppl with old pc's should just upgrade smh

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:48 AM

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i'm all for it, but you'd have to convince CA

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supporting Windows 7 and Windows XP in 2024...

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:50 AM

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I know how it goes when we try to convince management we need to stop supporting cash registers running XP

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hc_pensive

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Windows 7 is what the vast majority of the cash registers are running tho

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:54 AM

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i don't remember the last time i've seen XP

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also Steam no longer supports either

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but there are still other platforms

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:55 AM

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minecraft just dropped 32 bit support in the most recent snapshot

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:55 AM

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As of January 1 2024, Steam stopped supporting the Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems.

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32-bit? i assume Bedrock?

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:55 AM

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nope Java

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:56 AM

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why would it matter for Java

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:56 AM

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they updated to some Microsoft branch of Java 21 idk

thin estuary Apr 5, 2024, 7:56 AM

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meanwhile, a lot of devs probably still using Java 6/7/8 out there

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 7:57 AM

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that's life

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Java 8 is 10 years old damn

vocal shoal Apr 5, 2024, 8:23 AM

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has anyone here modded BG3? I wanna try but I’ve been struggling to get it working.

crystal wren Apr 5, 2024, 8:45 AM

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thin estuary i'm all for it, but you'd have to convince CA

Personally, I'm still solidly for a separate modding branch on Steam that's continuously kept up to date with the latest .NET release, and the main branch remaining .NET 6.

dapper sinew Apr 5, 2024, 10:40 AM

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anyone here know Linux stuff, having trouble with pip in a venv(sorry if this isnt the channel/place to ask)

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nevermind i got it

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:53 AM

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this is the correct place to ask

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though I know nothing about pip other than that in rare occasion some random application wants me to install it through pip which has a 50% of not working

dapper sinew Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 AM

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that was my issue

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pip just kept saying

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pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 12:14 PM

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It's been a while since I've done it, but I used to use venv all the time

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I ended up just using docker more

dapper sinew Apr 5, 2024, 12:15 PM

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i have AI stuff that all needs different venvs

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gets to be a bit much but i like AI its cool to me

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like i get to see my creations learn and grow panda_happy

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:19 PM

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anyone know anything about creating Texture2Ds by gluing them together?

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Internet says this can be costly so ideally I would cache it

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but idk very much about costly stuff

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(this is for C# modding but general enough I feel like it could go here)

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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Sure

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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There are ways, some are easier than others. When working with the underlying data it's probably better to use an IRawTextureData

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:21 PM

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Check the smapi asset editor

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😛

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Oh, wait a second, where am I

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Answered as if I was in #making-mods-general my bad

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Elizabeth want me to just do it haha?

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I wrote batch edit code for JA remembe

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:24 PM

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cinder karma Elizabeth want me to just do it haha?

SDVpuffercry maybe a little...I realized there was nothing implmented for shirts,,,, but I'm like 85% of the way through

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:25 PM

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Yeah check the batcher

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Off my fork

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:25 PM

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(moving to #making-mods-general but I'll look at your fork)

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Does anyone else frequently switch between Mac and PC? I've got a work Macbook, and I'm starting to build muscle memory around Apple hotkeys so it trips me out every time I go between and my ctrl, alt, and windows/command key are all different

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:44 PM

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Yes. You just have to deal with hitting thr wrong keys all the damn time

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:45 PM

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Another thing I hate is that they tied the trackpad behavior to the external mouse scroll wheel

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So no matter what my setting is, one of them will be the opposite of what I want it to be

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And I don't have sudo on my work mac so I can't do any of the tweaks/hacks to change that

ivory shadow Apr 5, 2024, 10:46 PM

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This sort of thing is why I refuse to use Mac OS

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Don't get me wrong, it's great in a lot of ways. But the ways it's not are super frustrating.

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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marble jewel Does anyone else frequently switch between Mac and PC? I've got a work Macbook, ...

Yeah, I also do this for work (Windows) and home (Mac)

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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I like how they handle multitasking on a small screen. Battery life is great. I think it's pretty cool I can use my phone as a webcam.

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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If both machines are you you can use powetoys to rebind keys

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Since my home is PC, I should probably get used to Mac and modify my Windows to be more mac like.

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My finger placement for copy+paste keeps moving back and forth. It's like I gotta switch my brain when I'm done working.

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:48 PM

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I just sort of suffer through windows tbh

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Yeah, or ask work for a quick sudo sess to change settings

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:49 PM

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I use a completely different keyboard though

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so I don't really have problems much with keypress muscle memory

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 10:49 PM

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Dunno if that is allowed for you

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 10:49 PM

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so I guess my tip is "have a poor sense of ergonomics and small hands" (terrible tip)

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:50 PM

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I’d probably just swap the keybinds on mac(assuming that’s possible I’ve never used one) so that it aligns with how it is on windows/linux

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:50 PM

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They have a setting I can change, but it's not 100%

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Like it has other side-effects for me to just simply say "make the ~~apple~~ command key into ALT"

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I’d use macos in a heartbeat over windows if I could actually build the pc myself(not counting hackintosh)

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 10:51 PM

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you can build it yoursef, it just comes in one piece

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:51 PM

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it comes in one piece and you pay hundreds upon hundreds of euros just for some extra ram or storage

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I like a lot about it, but just wish they catered to power users a bit more

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:52 PM

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I just wish they didn’t scam you so extremely on upgrades

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apple pretending that 256 gb of extra storage costs them 200 euros

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:52 PM

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But... it's the perfect intersection of hardware and software. You can't put a price on that /s

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Actually you can, and it's marked up 150%

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And taxed at 20%

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:53 PM

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maybe someday I’ll have to use macos for work and I’ll find out what it’s like

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but to buy one myself has just never seemed reasonable with their outlandish pricing

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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I made the choice to upgrade from a Lenovo to a Macbook, and I'm generally happy with the change aside from some of the annoyances

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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yeah the machine itself is expensive, but not outragously so... until you want more ram or storage

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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yeah if you get the base model it’s just “very expensive”

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if you want anything more

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you pay a fortune

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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To me the worst part is that it's so close to being so much better, but I know deep down inside the problems I have are not ones Apple would ever address

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 10:54 PM

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at least for laptops, the mac minis are pretty comptetively priced

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:55 PM

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my ipad frustrates me to no end which is clouding my expectations for macos probably

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ipados just doesn’t let you do fuckin anything that would actually make it work nicely

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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Some of the newer iPad settings that you can turn on are the exact same as how MacOS works

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Like if you enable multitasking with the side windows thingy

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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is there a setting to buried somewhere to have an actually functional normal filesystem…

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:56 PM

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I turn those off because the way I use my iPad is one app at a time filling the screen

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 10:57 PM

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yeah, ive never been thrilled with how iphone/ipad does some things

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:57 PM

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The design of the two have slowly begun converging over the last couple of years

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 10:57 PM

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safe dragon is there a setting to buried somewhere to have an actually functional normal fil...

yes, but its also kinda containerized

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:57 PM

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Like iPadOS gets a bit closer to MacOS and vice-versa

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 10:59 PM

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I can’t tell you how incredibly annoying it is for me that apple completely splits the concept of photos and files. Instagram for example can only access “photos” and not files. I edit my photos in the ipad version of lightroom and then save them, but it saves them as “files” not as “photos” so they’re completely inaccessible to something like instagram unless I manually “save” it to photos

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on ios/ipados anyway

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 10:59 PM

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Yeah, I dislike the trend of hiding the concept of files/folders from users

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It's like how Windows 11 hides extensions and directs users to libraries

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Yup

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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im told the youth are weirdly computer illiterate when it comes to filesystems, but i donno if thats also just older people yelling about the kids these days

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okay, i hate how they hide extensions

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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We're too attached to CAD software to do anything but windows tbh

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I wouldn't mind hiding extensions if we just got away from them entirely and instead depended on headers or something for file formats

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I use a paid third party file app on ipados just to have it be manageable at all. The standard file app also completely crashes when it tries to upload any files to my smb storage to begin with so it’s essentially unusable for my use case

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:01 PM

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But as long as extension = file format, I don't think there's any positive to hiding them

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 11:01 PM

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I mean, you can argue most software really is just using headers or whatever under the hood

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the extension's greatest purpose these days is arguably for its default app

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:02 PM

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though that uses its mimetype which is technically separate from its extension

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well

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that’s how it works on linux

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idk about windows

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:02 PM

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It's the same

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I wonder what a file system would look like that only used uri based handlers. Would that be possible.

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:03 PM

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honestly after this tablet shits the bed I’ll probably look into getting a light laptop of some kind instead cause these tablet operating systems are just frustratingly limiting

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especially apple’s tablets…

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:04 PM

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I have an iPad and as long as I limit my usecases for it, I find it reasonable

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Like, reading my rss feeds, browsing the web, and chatting on Discord

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:04 PM

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it works alright when you completely ignore that they desperately attempt to market ipad to be useful to “professionals”

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which they objectively just aren’t

pliant snow Apr 5, 2024, 11:05 PM

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someone out there is living in ipad excel

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:05 PM

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*shudders I can't imagine

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I was convinced that iPad would have ended up closer to a Macbook as soon as they started shipping with the M1 chips and beyond

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Like, you have all the necessary guts, why not unlock it's productivity

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Alternatively, if they had a Macbook with a touchscreen, I might've gone for that

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Apple likes to carve their niches for each product

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:06 PM

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they just added some multitask features, made it less awful with an external monitor and made the files app ever so slightly more usable

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that they do

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frustratingly so

cinder karma Apr 5, 2024, 11:09 PM

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pliant snow im told the youth are weirdly computer illiterate when it comes to filesystems, ...

Spend five minutes in #archived-modded-support

marble jewel Apr 5, 2024, 11:09 PM

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I sometimes try to be helpful, but then end up muting that channel again

safe dragon Apr 5, 2024, 11:09 PM

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I’ve definitely learn that computer literacy has gone down significantly in the “tablet” generation

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can’t wait till comp sci majors need a course in how to use a desktop OS cause there will be a lot of students who’ve never used one

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I know a lot of families already that don’t own anything other than a tablet

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bring back the family pc hc_pensive

sand frost Apr 5, 2024, 11:17 PM

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marble jewel I have an iPad and as long as I limit my usecases for it, I find it reasonable

Ipads are super helpful for hybrid teaching

crystal wren Apr 6, 2024, 9:25 AM

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As much as I'm not a fan of Apple's... practises, even I have to give them that the iPad really is great for professional illustrators or artists!

That's... the only area I can think of, though.

crystal wren Apr 6, 2024, 9:26 AM

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safe dragon can’t wait till comp sci majors need a course in how to use a desktop OS cause t...

This has given me the fear.

cinder karma Apr 6, 2024, 9:30 AM

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Heh, I joke that my generation is the last to actually know how computer works

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But every generation has its share of nutty enthusiasts

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Says a nutty enthusiast haha

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It's not hard. Tbh. A good student will pick up the skills fast

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(The kids will be okay)

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 10:11 AM

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I'm technically a zoomer myself hc_pensive

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'97

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the fancy ipods and eventually smartphones started becoming a thing here for me when I was 16 ish

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 11:03 AM

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LOL i did NOT expect this to work

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i did it for the memes and it actually functioned on my phone

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 11:46 AM

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nice

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man what is using 6 gigs of ram

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2 gigs of swap memory is also being used

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is there any way to even see what's using memory in android

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htop doesn't show anything

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I've closed every program and it's still using 4.5 gigs

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rebooting doesn't even seem to clear the swap memory what the hell

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 12:12 PM

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safe dragon

wait what do you use?

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 12:12 PM

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safe dragon htop doesn't show anything

btop maybe?

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 12:16 PM

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termux

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btop doesn't seem to be on termux

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from what I can tell you simply don't have this information anymore on android...

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 12:37 PM

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safe dragon termux

how did you get the background so dark?

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i just got termux and nix-on-droid

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 12:42 PM

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idk I just installed termux

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nothing else done I think

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it's been a while

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 1:31 PM

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so cursed to see on phone

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 1:31 PM

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safe dragon btop doesn't seem to be on termux

its on Nix-on-droid if you wanna get that

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 1:58 PM

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I'll give it a shot

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never used nix before

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always seemed like it's a little clunky

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how does one even install a package

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:02 PM

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it takes a while to download the start up stuff

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but after thats its quick

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:02 PM

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safe dragon how does one even install a package

nix-shell -p

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 2:03 PM

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this nix-env -i thing doesn't seem to do anything

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oh huh

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do I have to enter a nix shell first

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:04 PM

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should just be something like nix-shell -p firefox nothing else

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since my phone is rooted idk what all is blocked from a normal user

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 2:07 PM

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dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:07 PM

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oh yeah so hold down the app icon

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and you should see failsafe

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use that for btop

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you might have to do

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/data/data/com.termux.nix/files/usr/bin/login

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 2:09 PM

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TakoTired

#

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seems clunky to say the least if I can even get this to work

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:17 PM

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btop didnt install

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im guessing failsafe needs root access

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since i see Permission denied

safe dragon Apr 6, 2024, 2:17 PM

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well I ain't rooting my phone so rip

dapper sinew Apr 6, 2024, 2:17 PM

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yeah

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thats fair

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took me forever to figure it out

ivory shadow Apr 6, 2024, 3:17 PM

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I kind of want to make a build thing for Stardew mods to strip unused code from API interfaces. But that sounds like a total pain in the butt.

marble jewel Apr 6, 2024, 4:18 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154

Tenor

cinder karma Apr 6, 2024, 11:55 PM

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safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:01 AM

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what on earth am I even looking at

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this can't be valid code right

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regardless of language

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:03 AM

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probably is in at least one

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probably

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:03 AM

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the for loop extends beyond its case statement...

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:04 AM

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Yes. And?

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:04 AM

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chaos

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:04 AM

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Switch cases: goto in disguise

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:05 AM

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i find it funny how something can be both true and false in code

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because... why not

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:07 AM

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I have no idea what this code would even do if it were valid

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:09 AM

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Every time it is called it returns one number

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:10 AM

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i do wanna know what language that even is

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:11 AM

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considering the explicit and some Googling, C++

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I'm starting to parse how this would in theory work

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but it'd require switch cases to be implemented in the most fucked up way imaginable

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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Exactly!

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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if switch cases actually work like gotos and are also allowed to be nested inside of each other for some messed up reason then this might actually be valid code

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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They're just gotos!

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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with some deceiving formatting

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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Have you seen duff's device?

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:18 AM

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UM

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There are no errors

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safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:19 AM

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I don't even know how how to read normal c++ man

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yeah I'm starting to understand but I disagree a lot with this

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:20 AM

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cinder karma Have you seen duff's device?

no

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I'm appalled

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I looked it up

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:22 AM

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Haha

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Wrote this this morning haha

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:24 AM

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please run a formatter SDVpufferwaaah

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 12:24 AM

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my brain hurts looking at that

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i mean, i cant talk i make odd code

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mostly cause im new to it

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plus i dont care how it works so long as it does

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(me making a .js script run python that runs cpp that.....)

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 12:27 AM

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Eh, stylecop allows it

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(And I indent like this for fluent APIs)

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 12:28 AM

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forever the bane of my existence that C# did not set a formatting standard and default formatter

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so nice to have languages where essentially everyone formats their code the exact same way

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due to an opinionated formatter built into the tooling

grave gate Apr 7, 2024, 1:04 AM

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How should i indent this? I feel like it looks bad any way i try, maybe im overthinking it

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 1:05 AM

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you can use the one line if syntax

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if (thing)
  return true;

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if you feel like the right image is too verbose

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personally I would do the one on the right but I am sure other people have stronger syntax opinions than I do

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 1:09 AM

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I kinda like the one on the left ngl

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Ideally, you could use a switch statement, although I think your conditionals are different enough that it would be more of a mess than what you have now

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 1:18 AM

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if (whatever) {
    SetThingy(player, blarg);
} else if (something_else) {
    SetThingy(player, frotz);
} else if ....

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 1:18 AM

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I like the early returns better tbh

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 1:20 AM

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I can see the argument when it actually saves any indenting from not having nested ifs... but it doesn't in this case.

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 1:23 AM

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I like matxh stateme ts

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 1:58 AM

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People are so afraid of whitespace when it makes things so much more readable. "Compact" code doesn't run faster and is slower to read, therefore slower to maintain.

if (whatever)
{
    SetThingy(player, blarg);

    return;
}
else if (something_else)
{
    SetThingy(player, frotz);

    return
}
else if ....

I always have a blank line above return/continue/breaks so they stick out more. And I never use the bracketless if because it's so easy to add a line after it and not notice that's it's not going to work properly anymore. I do love a good ternary though, but if they get long I tend to split them across lines:

string whatever = someBoolThing
    ? $"Some long string {here}"
    : "some other long string here";

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Also, when breaking something across multiple lines, I always put the operator at the start rather than the end since it's easier/faster to see them (like with the ternary)

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VS tries to do this nonsense by default:

string something = "the start" +
    "the end";

when it should be

string something = "the start"
    + "the end";

because the operator is more easy to spot since they're always left-aligned, basically

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:07 AM

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sonic mirage VS tries to do this nonsense by default: ```cs string something = "the start" + ...

the first format is mostly used for preventing errors on automatic semicolon insertion, I don't write c# so I don't know if that is the case for it 😅

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found a good example: https://stackoverflow.com/a/7259867

Stack Overflow

What is the best formatting for operator placements on new lines?

For operations on multiple lines, most of the time, i see and use this formatting:

result = object->someValue() +
variable -
function(array) * (arg1 + arg2 + arg3 + arg4);
But i someti...

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:09 AM

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C# doesn't do that, as far as I'm aware

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If you have a single string and hit Enter to break it across lines, a newer thing VS does is add the " and + for you so it's still valid, but it puts the + on the first line, so I need to change that at some point.

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:11 AM

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sonic mirage If you have a single string and hit Enter to break it across lines, a newer thin...

maybe you can change it from settings. I remember VS had tons of formatting features that you can alter

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:12 AM

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Yeah I just haven't gotten around to it; I know you can change your "preferred" style

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:13 AM

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and lint always exists

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:14 AM

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...one of the lesser-known features of C is that two adjacent string literals are turned into a single string by the parser. No need to add a + for breaking things up to fit in whatever line width requirements you have.

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:15 AM

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regal ingot ...one of the lesser-known features of C is that two adjacent string literals ar...

sounds like the parser has too much freedom, but I work with Python so I'm not to complain...

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:18 AM

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I'm not sure how "baked into the language specification" is freedom. It's not optional. The parser must do it.

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It also comes in handy for writing preprocessor macros where you can "paste" an argument as a string literal and just put it adjacent to some other string literals to make one big message.

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Also for portable printf format specifiers (even if that does make the format string a bit unreadable)

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:22 AM

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two string literals might be accidentally adjacent (the author might've forgotten to assign variables for one of them). So the code might've been compiled unintentionally.

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that's what I mean

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:23 AM

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Most languages have some form of string interpolation, so I think that's less useful than it may have been in the past

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:23 AM

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C is not exactly noted for holding the programmer's hand if the fuck something up.

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:24 AM

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Just doing $"{string1} {string2}" is pretty easy and more clear than strings magically getting concatenated

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:24 AM

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regal ingot C is not exactly noted for holding the programmer's hand if the fuck something u...

That's why I'm surprised...

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:24 AM

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It's not magic... it's just that all of the successors to C forgot to include this really obvious feature.

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:24 AM

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Wouldn't be surprised is C didn't support that, but C++ might with all the stuff it keeps getting

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Haven't touch C++ since Intro to Comp Sci II though

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:25 AM

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magic is the compiler turning an interpolated string back into a single adjacent run of characters stored in the program binary.

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:26 AM

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sonic mirage Haven't touch C++ since Intro to Comp Sci II though

For me it's embedded programming lecture. and I don't miss it that much 😄

sonic mirage Apr 7, 2024, 2:27 AM

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I mean it's job is literally to compile things; just depends on the syntax, and two strings being near each other without an operator to form an expression just seems like an accident waiting to happen

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 2:27 AM

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regal ingot ...one of the lesser-known features of C is that two adjacent string literals ar...

I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you saying

char* foo = "Hello" "World";

Is valid?

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:27 AM

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yes

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 2:28 AM

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Well I'll be

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 AM

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this man is a skeptic

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 2:29 AM

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clang and gcc both do it

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which isn't surprsing

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:31 AM

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Also, like I said, useful for portable printf format specifiers:

printf("this is a uint64_t value: %" PRIu64 "\n", foo);

azure verge Apr 7, 2024, 2:42 AM

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regal ingot ...one of the lesser-known features of C is that two adjacent string literals ar...

Ok this is literally ISO C standard. I misunderstood your message. Sorry for asking irrelevant questions. 🙂

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I thought it was a parser's "feature" 😄

regal ingot Apr 7, 2024, 2:43 AM

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off-topic is the place for irrelevant questions 🙂

leaden marsh Apr 7, 2024, 5:30 AM

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regal ingot Also, like I said, useful for portable printf format specifiers: ```c printf("th...

Exactly, also for conveniently formatting newlines (when not using raw string literals from C++)

char str[] = "This is line1\n" \
    "This is line2\n" \
    "This in line3";

(Though I much prefer being able to just triple tick for newlines like Python)

fierce meteor Apr 7, 2024, 10:47 AM

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okay this is not really programming but could someone on MacOS help me? I use iTerm2 as my default terminal but running Stardew Valley from GOG or Launchpad opens SMAPI via the vanilla Mac terminal

#

I've also set iTerm2 as the default app for .command files. but SDV still uses Terminal on startup. how can I make sure that SDV or other MacApps that launch via terminal open with iTerm2?

scarlet sail Apr 7, 2024, 10:55 AM

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anyone know java script and could join jojo-mart voice?

lethal walrus Apr 7, 2024, 10:56 AM

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why?

scarlet sail Apr 7, 2024, 11:00 AM

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i need help

lethal walrus Apr 7, 2024, 11:02 AM

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yes but why vc

scarlet sail Apr 7, 2024, 11:03 AM

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so i can my screen

lethal walrus Apr 7, 2024, 11:04 AM

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and what category of js?

scarlet sail Apr 7, 2024, 11:05 AM

#

sdk 17

lethal walrus Apr 7, 2024, 11:05 AM

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general syntax? node? vanilla frontend? a frontend framework?

scarlet sail Apr 7, 2024, 11:05 AM

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I just seeing if I'm on the right track

#

understand the program more

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constructors, methods and class making

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 11:24 AM

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anyone know an app that can do live usb boots, needs to work on linux and idk how to use app images(trying now but its not working)

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 1:09 PM

#

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 1:14 PM

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same

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yes please explain to me how American dishwasher models operate

thin estuary Apr 7, 2024, 1:15 PM

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Love this guy

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 1:15 PM

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as I sit there confused why they don't have a dishwasher salt compartment

frosty robin Apr 7, 2024, 2:37 PM

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I basically learned what dishwashers are from this guy (we dont have them here)
The toaster video was great too

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 2:38 PM

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you are the dishwasher

frosty robin Apr 7, 2024, 2:43 PM

#

penny washes dishes for hours a day

river depot Apr 7, 2024, 3:30 PM

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Don’t you hate it when you’re trying to find stuff for your mod and your internet just goes out RoyStressed this close to finally getting this mod to a releasable state and now I can’t access any websites I need

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Oh nvm it’s just nexus and smapi that are down

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 5:13 PM

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atra you'll be happy to know I'm finally using CodeMatcher

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 6:16 PM

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I'm happy too

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 6:48 PM

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ivory shadow atra you'll be happy to know I'm finally using CodeMatcher

What's that if I may ask?

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:34 PM

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it's a tool to make writing transpilers easier and clearer

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:36 PM

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Nom nom nom

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:37 PM

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I really, really, really should get around to that at some point

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:37 PM

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What's a code matcher, I do all my transpilers by hand like Brainzz intended /s

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:37 PM

#

I'm still using dumb transpilers

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:38 PM

#

This seems very on topic

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:38 PM

#

I literally do all my transpilers (so far) by hand.

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:38 PM

#

Someone go write a parser combinator engine for transpjlerd

#

Until then

#

Nom Nom Nom!

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:38 PM

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tbh I don't think mine are too bad because I generally go with the simplest approach. Like single method replacement to redirect.

#

Or just insert the vanilla method into mine to hijack the return value

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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I don't like single method replacements

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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cinder karma Someone go write a parser combinator engine for transpjlerd

I don't know what that is

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

#

cinder karma Someone go write a parser combinator engine for transpjlerd

transpiler-by-xml

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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What if two mods want do the same thing

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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IDK what a tranpiler is

#

Sounds fancy though

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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cinder karma What if two mods want do the same thing

I called dibs

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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dapper sinew IDK what a tranpiler is

c# voodoo

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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You joke but khloe over there

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

#

carefully pushes Theme Manager behind the couch out of view

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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marble jewel I called dibs

Fine I'll just jump over you

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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There's a couch in here?

#

Why have I been standing this entire time?

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:39 PM

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supple ether c# voodoo

I think I do in it manually then

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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I just figured someone put you in the corner for doing something bad

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

#

I'm perfect /s

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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I use my Linux terminal to complete my cpp code at least

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

#

Or, more realistically, go "fuck all this shit let me write fun code instead"

#

"Fun and Interesting code"

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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(I probably did do something bad, if any of the Nexus comments are any indicator)

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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dapper sinew I think I do in it manually then

if you don't know what a transpiler is then you're not doing them at all

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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This is bad, I know:

    private static IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> Debris_collect_transpiler(IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> instructions) =>
        instructions.MethodReplacer(
            AccessTools.Method(typeof(Farmer), nameof(Farmer.addItemToInventoryBool)),
            AccessTools.Method(typeof(CollectItems), nameof(CollectItems.AddItemToInventoryBool)));

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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supple ether if you don't know what a transpiler is then you're not doing them at all

Oh ok

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:40 PM

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Nexus Comments are only an indicator that people can't even read a single pinned comment before posting about the same bug as 99 other people

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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trust me you would know. you absolutely cannot make a transpiler by accident :P

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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ivory shadow Nexus Comments are only an indicator that people can't even read a single pinned...

yepppp

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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I mean, Matt, why should I care, when nom so fun

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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or the mod description, or existing bug reports, or anything really

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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supple ether trust me you would know. you absolutely cannot make a transpiler by accident :P

Something something monkeys at a typewriter? 😅

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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supple ether trust me you would know. you absolutely cannot make a transpiler by accident :P

Ahh ok, I hope I remember that tool if I ever do

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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that's why I nuked the aerocore page completely

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:41 PM

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cinder karma I mean, Matt, why should I care, when nom so fun

What's nom

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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cinder karma What if two mods want do the same thing

If any other mods on the planet are also patching NetMutex.Update() and ruining my code, I am gonna stab them.

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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ivory shadow Nexus Comments are only an indicator that people can't even read a single pinned...

People can read?

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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devout vault What's nom

https://docs.rs/nom/latest/nom/

nom - Rust

nom, eating data byte by byte

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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ivory shadow If any other mods on the planet are also patching NetMutex.Update() and ruining ...

puts my stab-proof clothes on

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ACTUALLY... /s

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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Are you patching it in something?

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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ivory shadow If any other mods on the planet are also patching NetMutex.Update() and ruining ...

Gonna add that name to my code just cause /j

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:42 PM

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I'm not doing anything with NetMutex.Update, I was joking

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:43 PM

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Honestly, I should start making Better Crafting do a harmony_summary the first time a trace log happens.

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To see what is being patched

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:43 PM

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That would be a nice base SMAPI thing

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Though some people delay their patches to gamelaunched

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:43 PM

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Again

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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I mean like, when my error condition happens for the first time

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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This seems on topic

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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cinder karma https://docs.rs/nom/latest/nom/

I'm too dense to understand this. What is this, #lost-rustaceans or something?

dapper sinew Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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I should make a cpp test mod but eh I got no good ideas and I can't code well anyways

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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Sorry atra

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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devout vault I'm too dense to understand this. What is this, #lost-rustaceans or something?

You're not too dense!

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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My head is too full of netmutex I can't release it to talk about other topics

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:44 PM

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It looks like it'd be a smarter way of doing things than the mess I did for my mini scripting language

marble jewel Apr 7, 2024, 7:49 PM

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ivory shadow Honestly, I should start making Better Crafting do a harmony_summary the first t...

Really though, is there a way to just make this the default

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:50 PM

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I wish we had a community Sentry instance.

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I can only imagine the server costs though.

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 7:52 PM

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Sentry?

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:53 PM

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I wonder what sunkissed city will be like to mod

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 7:53 PM

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Sentry = application monitoring software. Automatically reports exceptions to a server with stack traces + whatever state you attach.

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We use it at work and it's pretty nice. Groups exceptions together. We can tag different people based on where the exception was.

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 7:57 PM

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would be useful. the other day I asked for a log and someone gave me a google drive link

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Damn

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Sometimes people copy paste the terminal text but that’s worse

thin estuary Apr 7, 2024, 8:09 PM

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ivory shadow I wish we had a community Sentry instance.

whatever it is, it can go burn in hell, along with its constant reddit ads

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"TiReD oF sEeInG sTaCk TrAcEs LiKe ThAt?"

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 8:10 PM

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lol

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I don't really reddit, so I guess I don't see them.

thin estuary Apr 7, 2024, 8:11 PM

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every. single. day. for. at. least. the. last. 2. months.

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and i'm not even interested in Android at all

ivory shadow Apr 7, 2024, 8:12 PM

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Wonder if reddit is having trouble getting advertisers

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 8:20 PM

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wouldn't be surprised given how they keep flushing their users' good will down the toilet

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:31 PM

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they should see our stack traces when we're 5 layers deep in services in our asp.net core apis

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you can scroll for a good minute to get to anything that provides any kind of information

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never used sentry

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we just have a grafana dashboard we yeet loki logging to

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yeet is the technical word I'm sure

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:36 PM

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it absoltuely is

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https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/ops/struct.Yeet.html

Yeet in std::ops - Rust

Implement FromResidual> on your type to enable do yeet expr syntax in functions returning your type.

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:37 PM

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ah yes one of my favorites

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:37 PM

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fucking love Rust to pieces

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wishhh I had more to do with Rust

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hey Nvidia....

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:38 PM

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I wouldn't mind a job in rust but most that I can find I'm either not remotely suitable for or it's stupid fuckin Web3/Crypto startups

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:41 PM

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yeahhhh

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 8:42 PM

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Positives: Money!
Cons: SDVpufferwaaah

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 8:42 PM

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I wanted to do an ink-style narrative engine in rust but I kinda gave up on it after I realized I would also have to write the parser at the bare minimum

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:42 PM

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My friend who does rust reports the same 😔

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:42 PM

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honestly it feels like the majority of tech jobs in my country are .NET or javascript jobs. I'd like to transition out of .NET jobs but idk where to or how

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 8:44 PM

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supple ether I wanted to do an ink-style narrative engine in rust but I kinda gave up on it a...

I actually had a good reason to use rust, too- I wanted to be able to add it to Godot as a native extension that could be used with all versions and not just the .net version

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:46 PM

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I've been in pythonland a lot recently, where using Rust with Maturin is a decent strategy for "why so slow code?"

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 8:46 PM

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I like Rust, but at the same time it can get in your way even in situations where you don't really need it

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:46 PM

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when I go to indeed and search "rust developer" as job I get 3 .NET developer jobs as my first results

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 8:47 PM

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I mainly use it for wasm now lol

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 8:47 PM

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yeah rust is good for wasm

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:47 PM

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not a whole lot of other languages out there with a mature wasm build target

supple ether Apr 7, 2024, 8:48 PM

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as long as you're prepared to not use a bunch of the std libs anyways

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 8:48 PM

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That's the kicker

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:48 PM

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first rust job I found on indeed is a bitcoin trade startup gdi

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why am I getting more "drupal developer" results than rust when my search query is "rust developer"

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I'm afraid the rust programming language does not exist in the netherlands

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a shame

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pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 8:50 PM

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I thought they had all moved onto AI junk now

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probably why the job is open lol

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:51 PM

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tf is Hyvä

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I see

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a theme on top of magento

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which I also don't know

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some adobe shit ew

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wtf this company offers a "travel reimbursement" of 600 euros a month. Where tf am I traveling

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:54 PM

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is it a remote job??

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:54 PM

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"at most 4 days remote a week"

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:54 PM

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weird

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:55 PM

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so remote

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unless it's like, one of those jobs where you're remote four days a week and on site for four

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oh wait you're european

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you don't do shit like that.

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I see Elizabeth melting

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:55 PM

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how many days are in your weeks?

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:55 PM

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how much of a crime is it to put every single change into one PR if I'm not sure that they can survive being separated

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5 days (or...7...I guesssss)

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(I'm in academia)

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:56 PM

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4 days remote and then 4 days on site a week hc_pensive

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gotta work 8 days a week

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:56 PM

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think atra means alternate weeks??

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:57 PM

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no, that's the joke lol

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 8:57 PM

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oh dear

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atra, maybe you deserve the melting emoji

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I can take it off my name if you need it 😛

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 8:57 PM

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nah, atra will live

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 8:57 PM

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safe dragon "at most 4 days remote a week"

At most

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So zero remote, ur comin in

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 8:58 PM

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I'm starting to think indeed is just not very useful

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hell ye

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:00 PM

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I've found literally one Rust job locally...

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:01 PM

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incredible how every rust job requires years of experience in rust

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where exactly would I start

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:01 PM

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I looked into super smash bros ultimate modding at one point and it used Rust I think

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At least a few years ago

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:02 PM

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unfortunatley I don't think smash bros ultimate modding is gonna pay my bills

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Hehe, true

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That's the closest I've come to dabbling in Rust myself

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:02 PM

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Just need to become the #1 most uber-popular mod for it, then it might pay one of the bills.

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 9:02 PM

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safe dragon incredible how every rust job requires years of experience in rust

apply anyways

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:03 PM

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yeah that's pretty much what you gotta do

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I don't think this is the correct type of developer

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:09 PM

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I like how neither the job role nor company gives an indication of which type of developer it is

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:09 PM

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hmm they want a degree in food science

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and you develop actual cooking recipes

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hc_pensive

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:10 PM

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that sounds fun

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:10 PM

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safe dragon hmm they want a degree in food science

Ah, a kernel developer

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:10 PM

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I'm mostly unqualified for that

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 9:10 PM

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belive in yourself!

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:11 PM

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I do not have a degree in food science

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I have many degrees, but that isn't one

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not unless food = math these days

cinder karma Apr 7, 2024, 9:11 PM

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yes but you have been making food for yourself for more than twenty years so

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:11 PM

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nah, mom still makes hot dogs

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:12 PM

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don't think my mom has ever made a hot dog

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neither have I for that matter

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:13 PM

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my mom thinks hot dogs are not good food

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:13 PM

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your mom is probably right

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:13 PM

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bit of a luxury problem but I'm starting to realize I'm currently being paid way outside my qualifications

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what are all these jobs man...

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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which direction lol

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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the good one

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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oh thats good

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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has anyone else been having this issue where new github is crazy slow to load?

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like I don't understand why it's so hard to show me plain text files

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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github has never been slow to me but idk if there's a "new" github

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:14 PM

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how new is new github

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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idk a couple months?

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it's their like thing where it shows all the files to the left

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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I'm not sure I even noticed

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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and has a list of functions on the right

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and a search bar and stuff

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all their "rich text" kind of stuff takes like several seconds to load properly

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Do you know the github secret

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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and sometimes i have to refresh the page for it to load right

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no

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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is the page open now

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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?

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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I want to spoil this secret.

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I know it!

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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I'm viewing github rn

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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is the github page link open right now

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hit period

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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it is now unrepsonsive

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it claims to be "loading"

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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oh that secret

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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It is loading

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however, this sounds like something on your end

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:17 PM

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I pressed period and it was done loading in roughly 5 seconds

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:17 PM

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I did use it to fix a merge conflict the other day

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in the browser, which was admittedly much nicer than doing it in terminal

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which generally involves cursing and spamming :x

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I use a terminal basically for everything in git, except for merge conflicts, where I just use VSCode

strange copper Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Vscodes merge conflict resolution gui is so good

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I'm not sure if it's actually good, but I really hate those three way split programs

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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pliant snow hit period

Woah

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I don't use vscode on this laptop for anything

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:18 PM

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It's neat huh

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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pliant snow I'm not sure if it's actually good, but I really hate those three way split prog...

Yeah, we use one of those at work for Perforce and... ugh...

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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It turns out I did not know this secret. What does it do!? SDVpufferwaaah

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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It's nice for when you want to find soemthing without cloning it down

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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crystal wren It turns out I did not know this secret. What does it do!? <:SDVpufferwaaah:9821...

🤫 time to find out

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:19 PM

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I'm vaguely gesturing towards being only on my phone right now.

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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||it seems to open a text editor? didn't work for me||

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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even when I use a terminal code editor I use a gui for git stuff(lazygit in that case)

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Yeah it opens the project in a web version of VSCode

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i couldnt get into lazygit

crystal wren Apr 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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It's a shortcut to the... github.dev trick? Neat!

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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I use git command line

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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why merge branch when coworker can merge branch

sand frost Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I used the command line for most stuff but I hate merge conflicts

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I use the git cli on my home server dev environment cause I can't be bothered to install lazygit on debian

devout vault Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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Huh, I've never seen lazygit before

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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it's alright

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:21 PM

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the developer of it has a few

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lazydocker i know is theirs too

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lazydocker had one really obvious feature missing, although I cant recall what it is now

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like you could'nt pull or something

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:22 PM

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tbh I feel like if I actually got a dev job outside of full-fledged IDEs I'd end ups going with something like vscode anyway even though I use neovim for hobby stuff

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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is the server based dev environment just for compilation times

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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what do you mean

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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why develop on server

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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cause I'm away fairly often staying at my mom's

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where I'm on an ipad

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I ssh into the server

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to develop

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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with neovim i assume

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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yes

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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i see

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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it's how I did advent of code last time

pliant snow Apr 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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how very iron man of you

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I just sync everything

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:27 PM

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.g splunk development

heavy daggerBOT Apr 7, 2024, 9:27 PM

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https://dev.splunk.com/

safe dragon Apr 7, 2024, 9:28 PM

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saw this word in a job posting

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truly a word

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24.5 vacation days... why .5

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(25 is essentially the industry standard here)

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Experience and affinity with pensions

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 12:59 AM

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Hey, this might seem like a weird and random question, but are there any things that you love/hate/want to change about nexusmods? Can range anywhere from design, functionality, to random peculiarities, as arbitrary or as specific as you want. Both from a developer and user experience.

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:08 AM

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more emphasis on actively maintained/recently updated mods would be nice
also maybe a user option to hide translations by default, to reduce clutter while browsing

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:15 AM

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Which translations are you specifically talking about?

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:21 AM

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all of them lol

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:21 AM

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sorry, I more meant of where on the UI, which translations?

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:23 AM

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translations show up as a separate mods while browsing, which is kind of clutter. I know that while searching, you can specifically filter out translations, but that's only the search, and doesn't apply to anything on the front page or the quick search at the top

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:24 AM

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ahhh, ok, got it, makes sense

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:24 AM

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I know some people are looking for translations, so I don't think they should always be hidden, but it would be nice to have the option to filter them

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:28 AM

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As for the actively maintained mods, do you think something like "This mod has not been updated in X months/years" after a certain amount of time would be useful? Maybe some sort of community collaborative effort type thing, where people can mark this mod as broken, or maybe that could be left up to a team of moderators?

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:29 AM

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I mean, old mods don't always break

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but also this seems kinda on-topic tbh

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:30 AM

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on topic, as in, should be in a different channel?

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I posted here just to be on the safe side

regal ingot Apr 8, 2024, 1:34 AM

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(seeing as it's not about programming, and is about... well, either making mods or using mods, in a meta sort of way)

charred lagoon Apr 8, 2024, 1:36 AM

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I felt like this was the most appropriate, as this was under game modding, and didn't fit in any of the other 3 categories, sorry

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 1:38 AM

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supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:39 AM

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that's definitely a joke

pliant snow Apr 8, 2024, 1:39 AM

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Can someone explain the hate windows 11 gets? I don't like Windows at all, but I've been using Windows 11 at work and it's honestly basically the same

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:40 AM

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I think windows 11 is a actually slghtly better than 10. which is a real low bar but even so

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windows peaked at 7 and has been downhill ever since

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I don't think they even care about the pc market any more. except as a way of getting more people to use their internet shitware

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:41 AM

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supple ether that's definitely a joke

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/when-to-use-windows-10-extended-security-updates/ba-p/4102628#24

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:42 AM

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karmic frost https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/when-to-use-windows-1...

ah well that's not quite the same as the alarmist headline

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:42 AM

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true

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Though yeah, not getting security updates sucks

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:43 AM

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that's enterprises paying microsoft for extended support on legacy software, not a required subscription for individual consumers

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:43 AM

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yup

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:44 AM

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are null and the empty string different in C#?

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"" and null

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:44 AM

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yes

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:44 AM

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cool

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:44 AM

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null is null and "" is just a regular zero-length string

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:44 AM

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Thats why isNullOrEmpty exists

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:45 AM

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karmic frost Thats why isNullOrEmpty exists

yeah but it's slower than just doing str is null || str.Length is 0

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and not much simpler

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:45 AM

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true

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:46 AM

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you could even simplify further to str is null or ""

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... at least I think so

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:48 AM

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imo using the one function is easier than writing both those

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:48 AM

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supple ether you could even simplify further to `str is null or ""`

idk if that'd work in csharp

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looks like python

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even python doesnt do that though

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 1:48 AM

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Think so too

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 1:49 AM

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supple ether yeah but it's slower than just doing `str is null || str.Length is 0`

Thus feels like something that would get inclined

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:52 AM

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karmic frost idk if that'd work in csharp

you can absolutely do patterns like that in c#! the only thing is it doesn't like mixing value/type checks in is statements, and I dunno if it would treat null as a type or value check in this case

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:53 AM

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supple ether you can absolutely do patterns like that in c#! the only thing is it doesn't lik...

oooooooooo

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:53 AM

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but I've done things like num is 4 or 8 or 19 before

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 1:53 AM

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I've totally done stuff like that before too

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?.Count is null or 0

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All the time

karmic frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:53 AM

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I'm a hardware/firmware person so I haven't used CSharp much

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That's cool

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:56 AM

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if you're feeling very fancy you can also do a switch pattern like this

var str = num switch {
  0 => "Zero",
  > 0 and <= 10 => "Ten",
  11 or 13 => "Teens",
  _ => "Other"
};

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though admittedly that's not a very readable example

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:57 AM

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if I set something that has the {get; set;} = default syntax to be null (because the data is missing) will it actually set the thing to null?

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:58 AM

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sand frost if I set something that has the `{get; set;} = default` syntax to be null (becau...

yes, why wouldn't it?

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:58 AM

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oof

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uh, idk much about null

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:58 AM

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= default only sets the initial value

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:58 AM

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i was sort of hoping it would skip the setting thing if it was setting it to be something dumb

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but that was too optimistic

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 1:59 AM

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sand frost i was sort of hoping it would skip the setting thing if it was setting it to be ...

well you can put logic in the setter to do that. one sec with an example

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 1:59 AM

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oh! that also would be great

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 2:00 AM

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sand frost i was sort of hoping it would skip the setting thing if it was setting it to be ...

Wdym?

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:00 AM

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the contex is secretly on-topic

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:00 AM

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public string MyProperty {
  get => myValue;
  set => myValue = value ?? myValue;
}
private string myValue = null;

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:00 AM

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but it turns out the game super hates it when objects don't have descriptions

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:01 AM

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also default for many types is null

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includign strings

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:01 AM

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don't ask me why some content packs are adding objects that don't have descriptions

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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the only time default isn't null is when dealing with structs and other non-nullable value-types

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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yeah, I changed the default to "" though and it didn't help

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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sand frost don't ask me why some content packs are adding objects that don't have descripti...

Huh

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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secretly all my C# questions are related

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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Default it to "no description"?

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:02 AM

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I was hoping the empty string would just leave a weird space in the tooltip

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 2:03 AM

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Yeah, that is weird

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Tbh I would try " " next

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(Just a single space)

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:04 AM

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yeah

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but the problem is that setting the default to "" does nothing when I am explicitly changing it to be null later on when the data is initialized

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At least, I'm pretty sure that's the problem

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:04 AM

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yeah, I would do a null check in the setter

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:05 AM

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maybe I just null check in the data reading step

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:05 AM

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public string MyProperty {
  get => myValue;
  set => myValue = value ?? myValue;
}
private string myValue = "";

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this will cause it to not change the current value if someone is attempting to assign it to null

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:06 AM

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ah, i seee

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 2:06 AM

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you can also do value ?? "" instead if you want null to still be set, but turned into an empty string

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 2:07 AM

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yeah that seems good

sonic mirage Apr 8, 2024, 4:01 AM

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I use String.isNullOrWhitespace because users have broken too many things by putting spaces in them

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 4:07 AM

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huh https://godbolt.org/#g:!((g:!((g:!((h:codeEditor,i:(filename:'1',fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,lang:csharp,selection:(endColumn:2,endLineNumber:18,positionColumn:2,positionLineNumber:18,selectionStartColumn:2,selectionStartLineNumber:18,startColumn:2,startLineNumber:18),source:'using+System%3B class+Program { ++++static+int+Square(int+num)+%3D>+num+*+num%3B ++++static+void+Main()+%3D>+Console.WriteLine(Square(42))%3B } class+Blah { private+static+bool+Test(string%3F+input) ++++%3D>+input+is+null+||+input.Length+%3D%3D+0%3B private+static+bool+Other(string%3F+input) ++++%3D>+string.IsNullOrEmpty(input)%3B }'),l:'5',n:'0',o:'C%23+source+%231',t:'0')),k:50,l:'4',n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0'),(g:!((g:!((h:compiler,i:(compiler:dotnet707csharp,filters:(b:'0',binary:'1',binaryObject:'1',commentOnly:'0',debugCalls:'1',demangle:'0',directives:'0',execute:'0',intel:'0',libraryCode:'0',trim:'1',verboseDemangling:'0'),flagsViewOpen:'1',fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,lang:csharp,libs:!(),options:'',overrides:!(),selection:(endColumn:1,endLineNumber:1,positionColumn:1,positionLineNumber:1,selectionStartColumn:1,selectionStartLineNumber:1,startColumn:1,startLineNumber:1),source:1),l:'5',n:'0',o:'+.NET+7.0.105+(Editor+%231)',t:'0')),k:50,l:'4',m:50,n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0'),(g:!((h:output,i:(compilerName:'x86-64+clang+(trunk)',editorid:1,fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,wrap:'1'),l:'5',n:'0',o:'Output+of+.NET+7.0.105+(Compiler+%231)',t:'0')),header:(),l:'4',m:50,n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0')),k:50,l:'3',n:'0',o:'',t:'0')),l:'2',n:'0',o:'',t:'0')),version:4

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ah, didn't expect that to be that long

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sonic mirage Apr 8, 2024, 4:07 AM

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Holy URL, Batman

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 4:08 AM

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vs

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it is inlined. I expected that.

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what I don't expect is the extra manipulation at the top

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 4:18 AM

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I ended up using a space in the end

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 4:44 AM

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cinder karma vs

it's also weird that doesn't have a ret

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oh looking at the actual page it is there, it just has some weird jumping and an extra push/pop in there

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 2:13 PM

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Otoh I doubt it is gonna be a noticeable performance issue

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Still I expected identical assembly tbh

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 3:27 PM

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I wonder why. Looking at the C# code behind IsNullOrEmpty it's the same beyond use of == instead of is

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 3:46 PM

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I'm not great with assembly but I have no idea why it's doing that it shouldn't functionally achieve anything

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it seems to be an inlining thing of sorts I'm not sure

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https://godbolt.org/#g:!((g:!((g:!((h:codeEditor,i:(filename:'1',fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,lang:csharp,selection:(endColumn:2,endLineNumber:18,positionColumn:2,positionLineNumber:18,selectionStartColumn:2,selectionStartLineNumber:18,startColumn:2,startLineNumber:18),source:'using+System%3B class+Program { ++++static+int+Square(int+num)+%3D>+num+*+num%3B ++++static+void+Main()+%3D>+Console.WriteLine(Square(42))%3B } class+Blah { private+static+bool+Test(string%3F+input) ++++%3D>+input+is+null+||+input.Length+%3D%3D+0%3B private+static+bool+Other(string%3F+input) ++++%3D>+string.IsNullOrEmpty(input)%3B }'),l:'5',n:'0',o:'C%23+source+%231',t:'0')),k:50,l:'4',n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0'),(g:!((g:!((h:compiler,i:(compiler:dotnet707csharp,filters:(b:'0',binary:'1',binaryObject:'1',commentOnly:'0',debugCalls:'1',demangle:'0',directives:'0',execute:'0',intel:'0',libraryCode:'0',trim:'1',verboseDemangling:'0'),flagsViewOpen:'1',fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,lang:csharp,libs:!(),options:'',overrides:!(),selection:(endColumn:1,endLineNumber:1,positionColumn:1,positionLineNumber:1,selectionStartColumn:1,selectionStartLineNumber:1,startColumn:1,startLineNumber:1),source:1),l:'5',n:'0',o:'+.NET+7.0.105+(Editor+%231)',t:'0')),k:50,l:'4',m:50,n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0'),(g:!((h:output,i:(compilerName:'x86-64+clang+(trunk)',editorid:1,fontScale:14,fontUsePx:'0',j:1,wrap:'1'),l:'5',n:'0',o:'Output+of+.NET+7.0.105+(Compiler+%231)',t:'0')),header:(),l:'4',m:50,n:'0',o:'',s:0,t:'0')),k:50,l:'3',n:'0',o:'',t:'0')),l:'2',n:'0',o:'',t:'0')),version:4

Compiler Explorer

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I added a Bonus method that just calls Test and that produces the same assembly as the Other did

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wait no they're again ever so slightly different, though not meaningfully in that case

fresh gale Apr 8, 2024, 3:58 PM

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is there a good turtorvial on how i start to made mods til stardew, i have never made mods before

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 3:59 PM

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uh idk #making-mods-general is probably the place to ask

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Is there a git merge strategy that is "I really don't care about whitespace stop asking me?"

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Atra of a month ago and atra of two days ago apparently can't agree on whitespace

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Also atra of a month ago committed binary files like an idiot

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Man atra of a month ago sounds like a jerk

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Bad whitespace and binary files in git

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Past atra hates current atra hates future atra

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No wonder I have mental health issues

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 5:15 PM

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git removes every piece of whitespace from the file

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 5:16 PM

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cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:27 PM

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We were digging through smapi image editing code yesterday

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And I was very surprised to see the last commits were two years ago

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 5:38 PM

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2 years, that's a whole feature version of SDV ago

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:45 PM

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The Killers and this overpriced root beer are gonna get me through this merge conflict

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 5:50 PM

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the problem with my code quality constantly increasing is that when I go back to older stuff It's always like "Damn bitch, you live like this?"

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Yup

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Who wrote this disaster
...oh

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 5:54 PM

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god there's code I wrote a few months ago that I've since figured out how to clean up and improve but I've been moved to a different project and don't have time make the changes. It haunts me

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 5:54 PM

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I also forgot my personal vimrc on this machine

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So things my personal vimrc handles (like allowing :Wq) aren't on this machine yet

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 6:00 PM

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I was in better beehouses' flower code last night and I think it qualifies for a FEMA cleanup
it's just this gigantic tightly-packed glom of code with a bunch of nested conditionals

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it's an IEnumerable method too... do I even WANT to know what the compiled enumerator looks like

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 6:01 PM

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Hahahha

pliant snow Apr 8, 2024, 6:03 PM

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Welcome to today's adventure of "why is my server suddenly not showing up on the network"

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I think i messed something up with my DNS settings

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:07 PM

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pliant snow Apr 8, 2024, 6:07 PM

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the worst part about DNS is you change something, but everything continues working for like 12 hours

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Updated ModManifestBuilder again and decided "Screw it, I'll just post the readme to NuGet too." and its markdown support is 10/10

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(Compare to GitHub:)

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 6:24 PM

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To be fair, html tables aren't markdown, and markdown tables are a pain to deal with

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Given the right markdown editor it isn't awful, but drawing ASCII tables by hand isn't fun

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:25 PM

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HTML in markdown is valid markdown though.

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I'm using HTML tables because you can't do colspan in GitHub markdown tables.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 6:26 PM

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Yeah, I'm just talking about the pure markdown table syntax though

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:26 PM

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Oh yeah, it's definitely not great to write.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 6:26 PM

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Which I don't even know if NuGet supports that

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:26 PM

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Maybe! I didn't bother testing.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 6:27 PM

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It represents both what's good about Markdown and what's bad about it. Ideally Markdown is as readable in plain text format as it is when it's actually formatted.

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 6:30 PM

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And markdown tables suck

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But html tables duck more

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:30 PM

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Every day I draw closer to rewriting SMAPI's website to use tailwindcss and have native dark theme.

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 6:30 PM

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And latex tables can go die

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:32 PM

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LaTeX is like someone looked at RTF and thought "This is great but you know what it needs? More curly braces.

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 6:34 PM

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I ducked up my brackets in a Latex table the other day and was almost reduced to tears trying to fix it

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:37 PM

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I need to remind myself that it'd be too much of a pain in the ass to set up a proper web dev environment for the SMAPI website since it's templates emitted by AspNet right now.

tired cloak Apr 8, 2024, 6:58 PM

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I'm trying to install smapi on Windows but when I click to install it says that I don't have authorization but I'm already an administrator, what do I do?

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 6:59 PM

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This is not the right channel for that. You're looking for #archived-modded-support

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:01 PM

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maybe this channel should be move into the off topic category tbh

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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It's funny how programming is posed as a topic that only modders care about

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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makes more sense really. The only reason I imagine it's here is cause it's people going off topic in modding channel

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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But I guess it was to steer away all the off topic discussions we used to have in #making-mods-general

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I'm proof that that's not true

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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Now that we're here, they can probably move it and we'd follow

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:03 PM

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I've never used smapi in my life not to use mods nor to create mods

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just a programmin nerd

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:04 PM

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Yeah, but it was more like #making-mods-general was unofficially #programmers-off-topic when it was not being moderated

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:04 PM

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yeah I understand how it ended up here

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:04 PM

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The channel has had more active moderation recently

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:05 PM

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but its a bit silly to have a channel with off-topic in the name and have it not be in the category off-topic

modest linden Apr 8, 2024, 7:05 PM

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#general-programming

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:06 PM

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I've been on discord long enough to know that people will still always manage to find themselves in the wrong channel even with the clearest labeling in the world

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but it might still help to move it out of the modding category...

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 7:07 PM

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Ahhhhh merge conflict successfully resolced!!!!

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 7:07 PM

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🎉

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 7:07 PM

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Yay!!!

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 7:10 PM

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cinder karma Ahhhhh merge conflict successfully resolced!!!!

The Killers + Overpriced Root Beer: 1
Merge Conflict: 0

vernal marlin Apr 8, 2024, 8:12 PM

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hello 🙂 is this where i can ask for help regarding some modding problems?

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 8:12 PM

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Not really, no.

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If you need help using mods, you want #archived-modded-support. If you need help writing mods, you want #making-mods-general .

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 8:33 PM

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Ah yes, Visual Studio. That function that I famously use everywhere in my codebase that starts with TryGet.

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Fuck outta here with that extension method linq

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 8:36 PM

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Thank god for AI Intellisense making us so much more productive

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 8:46 PM

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Intellisense is nothing but bangers today

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lmfao

crystal wren Apr 8, 2024, 8:49 PM

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I don't know how I feel about the fact that Rider is getting locally running AI stuff like Intellicode soon...

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 8:50 PM

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As a programmer, I am not worried about AI taking my job.

crystal wren Apr 8, 2024, 8:51 PM

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As someone who isn't one yet but is working towards it, even I'm not worried about that. And I have a huge time penalty working against me!

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I've been playing around with Jetbrains AI stuff. Not depending in it for most things, other than being lazy writing documentation.

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 8:55 PM

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The thing I miss the most about rust was the intelligence of the tooling. I hate how bad the nullish inferrence is sometimes. Like take this:

var data = building?.GetData();
if ( data is not null ) {
    int height = data.SourceRect.IsEmpty ? building.texture.Value.Height : data.SourceRect.Height;

C# is underlining building in the if statement because "oooh spooky it might be null"

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No the heck it's not

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Like, I guess, in theory, you could have an extension method on a null thing? But the compiler knows what that method I used looks like too. It's not null.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:01 PM

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This is not a mess at all, this makes perfect sense /s

var (width, height) = building?.GetData() is
{
    SourceRect:
    {
        IsEmpty: false,
    } sourceRect,
}
    ? (sourceRect.Width, sourceRect.Height)
    : (building?.texture.Value.Width ?? 0, building?.texture.Value.Height ?? 0);

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Matt do I need to send you to pattern matchers anonymous

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Pattern matchers all the things

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:09 PM

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what in the tertiary null coalescing

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Still not as useful as ?? null

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:10 PM

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?? null!

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:11 PM

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null! ???

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:11 PM

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I have written null! before

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:11 PM

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what does that one do 😭

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:11 PM

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! is null forgiving

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It marks "This isn't null."

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So basically you're slipping a null past the nullability checks.

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:12 PM

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that feels .... illegal

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:12 PM

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I use that

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For variables that are initialized on events, but not in the constructor

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:12 PM

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I find it useful-ish for things in my ModEntry class since you do your initialization in an Entry() method instead of in the constructor.

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Or in OnGameLaunched.

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:12 PM

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ivory shadow I find it useful-ish for things in my ModEntry class since you do your initializ...

oh maybe I should do that cause I just let the compiler warnings slide

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it's been bothering me

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:13 PM

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But you can also do ```csharp
#nullable disable
internal WhateverThing SomeThing;
#nullable enable

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With as many lines in between as you need.

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Just don't forget the #nullable enable or I will send the nullability police to your house

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:14 PM

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I never actually "learned" C# i've just been writing it as a combination of C++ and Java and googling when I don't know syntax but I just know random stuff like null forgiving is going to come and mess with me someday

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:14 PM

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ivory shadow Just don't forget the `#nullable enable` or I will send the nullability police t...

understood 😭

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:15 PM

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I feel like my productivity is way down today.

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But that's just because I am not angry at a bug for existing

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:17 PM

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ivory shadow But that's just because I am not *angry at a bug for existing*

surely peaceful and non-angry programming is more productive right

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or at least more relaxing

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:19 PM

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I dunno, angry coding led to +3764 / -745 over the past three days.

supple ether Apr 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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ivory shadow I find it useful-ish for things in my ModEntry class since you do your initializ...

I do wish c# had kotlin's lateinit

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Compared to +7300 / -2831 over the past week. That's all the Better Crafting 1.6 stuff.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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supple ether I do wish c# had kotlin's lateinit

We just Lazy all the things

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I'm fond of csharp [MemberNotNull(nameof(SomeThing))] public void LoadSomeThing() { if (SomeThing is null) { // set it up } } too

#

Or if you want something a little more involved than a Lazy<> may I introduce ```csharp
public class Cache<T, K> {

private readonly Func<K, T> Getter;
private readonly Func<K> KeyGetter;

private T LastValue;
private K LastKey;
private bool Valid;

public Cache(Func<K, T> getter, Func<K> keyGetter) {
    Getter = getter;
    KeyGetter = keyGetter;
}

public void Invalidate() {
    Valid = false;
}

public T Value {
    get {
        K key = KeyGetter();
        if (!Valid || (key == null ? LastKey != null : !key.Equals(LastKey))) {
            LastKey = key;
            LastValue = Getter(key);
            Valid = true;
        }

        return LastValue;
    }
}

}

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Actually why did I ever make it initialize Value in the init method

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There.

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:24 PM

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ivory shadow I dunno, angry coding led to +3764 / -745 over the past three days.

Modding like it's a full time job

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:24 PM

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Modding like I'm angry

cinder karma Apr 8, 2024, 9:24 PM

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My fancy root beer actually kinda looks like a real beer

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:25 PM

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ivory shadow Modding like I'm *angry*

Just like a job fr

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:25 PM

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... fair.

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:26 PM

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Modding like a junior engineer sends a PR to a Sr Engineer

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yes, yes... This looks like it does stuff...

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:26 PM

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I sent in some fat PRs at my last position I feel bad for my boss having to review them

safe dragon Apr 8, 2024, 9:27 PM

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lgtm approved

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:27 PM

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I still have to figure out what to do with the Almanac PR someone sent me.

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:27 PM

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My boss would approve his own PRs without review so maybe we're even

ivory shadow Apr 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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Like it's cool they wanted to help, but it won't merge cleanly at this point, and I kinda want to go over everything to see what I want to keep / change significantly for 1.6.

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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ivory shadow I still have to figure out what to do with the Almanac PR someone sent me.

Find a formatting thing to disagree with, set it to wait for author, then never reply again /j

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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I feel kind of bad for sending a 1200 line PR to Casey

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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I don't know what's worse. The big changes or the small ones on the legacy codebase that have somehow been running like clockwork for 2 years without anyone remembering or knowing how to support.

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 9:28 PM

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It does merge cleanly tho

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The problem is that I’m bad at keeping track of interdependent bugs and idk how to separate their fixes

marble jewel Apr 8, 2024, 9:30 PM

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It's like we deprecate "unused" parts of the code, and then a week later we're bombarded by people we've never spoken to coming out of the woodwork because their process broke

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Scream tests ftw

strange copper Apr 8, 2024, 9:30 PM

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there was a relevant xkcd for that one

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i forget which tho

sand frost Apr 8, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Holding space bar