Frieza (First Form)

[sweet hatch]

https://streamable.com/97bjxn

we bring these back

[delicate pewter]

Wanted to ask, could I get some tips on like, skill order and how to use properly?

[remote tangle]

Never upgrade s3

[crude frost]

skill 1 first, then skill 3. spawn zarbon and buff him with skill 3 to melt supreme kai's health. then upgrade skill 1 or unlock skill 2 at your discression. focus mainly on skill 1 and skill 3 upgrades and kill bosses when they spawn using the same method as before, zarbon, then dodoria, skill 3 buff them and melt bosses. save and use farmer for bosses as much as possible. put points into ult last.

TLDR: 1 > 3> 2> ult

[remote tangle]

Why would you upgrade S3 it only gets a range upgrade

[crude frost]

because it also makes zarbon/dodoria attack a even faster upgraded as well, plus the larger zone also means you are able to be more flexible in where you place them which can be crucial for mid boss secures.

mainly putting zarbon futher back to cover a lot of the arena since the mid bosses move around a lot

[viral veldt]

The last skill I level is 3. 1,2, and Ult are just way more important

I only need 1 level of S3 for most purposes until the game gets to the last boss or two and tower pushes

[stone zodiac]

Did they change s3 or something? I would always max s3 after s1 it had insane attack and movement speed buffs

Havent played Frieza since s1 really hit is just way more fun

[viral veldt]

S1 is just his best skill. S2 is amazing for tower defense and bosses. So is Ult. There's no room for s3 in how I play

[stone zodiac]

I mean isnt the whole point of frieza was killing bosses so you go s3 after s1 to melt them. I only played him a bit and got S really fast solo q in season 1

S3 enhances s2 more than upgrading s2 too

[viral veldt]

Good luck fellow Frieza mains

[earnest oak]

How the mighty emperor has fallen....

They actually nerfed zarbon's damage.... and sacrificed it for a skill 2 buff....

[sly kestrel]

Either make it to where he can change the line of sight of the minions while theyre already out or make recalls instant bro I beg

[viral veldt]

It's not even a buff, they made the hit stronger, but not as fast during Skill 3

And no HP buff for Frieza or his minions, so they still get melted end game

[golden abyss]

So,friezaheads, how is he

[night obsidian]

Worse but not by a lot

[balmy plinth]

🥲

[golden abyss]

Wasn't he already bad

[night obsidian]

He was never bad

[devout musk]

I haven’t tried it but it’s more about support that damage rn it seems

Your job now is to make bardocks life hell by playing zarbon kind of defensive for your tank

[upper oasis]

i just focus on stealing bosses and defending the tower with frieza

unless we get like a triple boss ko or have the potential for a team wipe im playing very defensive with him

[burnt scarab]

Is there any way to actually deal with this character

breaking through on towers is basically impossible, killing him is so hard cause of how fast he is and most of the time he's able to secure boss

like genuinely haven't found any counterplay to this character\

I don't really like to blame teammates either but I've played 3 matches as hit against frieza and I havem't been able to do anything to him and its like like I have the abilities to take out the minions either

[golden abyss]

What do you play?

[viral veldt]

Yeah, kill his minions

[burnt scarab]

I play about everything in any role its just when i face frieza in my lane as hit it doesn’t seem to go well

[golden abyss]

Kill the subordinates

[upper oasis]

go around the towers and nuke his minions from the back

they dont have a lotta health

even at lvl 3

then you have like a good 18-ish seconds before he gets them back

[stone zodiac]

If you are playing hit just kill him bro

[vague geyser]

i'm in training with frieza rn and i just realized that any cooldown decreases from blue cards are even less useful than normal

frieza's 3rd skill and his super get reduced cd, but zarbon and dodoria only get it if they die

this is probably known already but it's still stupid in my eyes lol

[crude frost]

The big bonus for sure is recalling them manually so feel free to experiment with other card colors. Although limit breaking jump is always pretty good as a third card for the mobility when you don't have his passive or escape getting jumped

[golden abyss]

For frieza,I make an effort to run too easy,solid barrier,and LBJ

It feels the most effective at curbing frieza's weaknesses

[vague geyser]

thats what i run unless i know my team has my back, since if they do then that extra dmg to boss is exquisitely delectable

[golden abyss]

Oh yeah frieza can steal bosses quite easily

[balmy plinth]

Just get behind Zarbon and KO him

[golden abyss]

Why not kill frieza?

Frieza himself is weak

[balmy plinth]

Most efficient and annoying thing to do to a Frieza first form main

Lol

[balmy plinth]

That's true

Frieza doesn't take too long to take down he's squishy

Though he's fast and might be a little difficult to catch, but like I said he's squishy he shouldn't be that hard to take down

[little badge]

whaat

dont see much of a point in giving him greens

since he usually dies quick anyway

go reds for dmg or blues for utility/easier escape

it works way better

you shouldnt be in situations where you have to sit around in range of the enemy doing rush attacks when it comes to play frieza

[golden abyss]

Noted.

[golden abyss]

Hello,what helper should I run with frieza

[stone zodiac]

Farmer

Only

Barrier is good on frieza

[golden abyss]

Could you give me some quick pointers on how to improve at frieza? I want to optimize him.

[cursive cape]

Recal his minions before they die because cooldown

[fossil robin]

So I'm not sure it's a known thing, but, I did some testing on training more and Build Up actually buffs Zarbon's and probably Dodoria's defenses

Steel Skin doesn't, but the green card defenses increases at least Zarbon's defenses

[cursive cape]

Would be really cool if that’s the case

[fossil robin]

It is the case, I tested it, also applies to Dodoria

with 15 stacks and full green they take like 100 less damage from a kaioshin, going from 400 to 300 or so

it's not much but it's something

[cursive cape]

Thanks for the info, never liked the extra hp for a second anyways

[balmy plinth]

We Frieza mains have no limits

[fossil robin]

So I've seen talks of backstab Freeza in #💥squadra-discussion and decided to test it out, and it can work

basically, the condition to activate Backstab is that you have to hit the opponent soon after they see you, which can work for Zarbon and Dodoria

what matters is them being hit soon after they see you, so if say, you planted Zarbon/Dodoria a minute ago, and they're hitting the opponent, but you're not on the opponent's field of view, backstab won't activate

[golden abyss]

NGL ive been needing a third card for my full offense frieza build

I run LBJ because late game I often find myself in ambushes and that helps

[fossil robin]

as soon as you do though, backstab will activate, and Zarbon's CD will be reduced to 9.6s, and Dodoria's to 8.6s

[golden abyss]

But if they are already deployed,their cooldown is paused,no?

So how does that work?

[fossil robin]

you cannot activate both at the same time, it'll be whichever hits first, but, Dodoria has that pushback, and if his level is high enough, he'll push them far back away for you to not be on view, and if he hits them again, backstab will activate

nothing stops you from just moving away from the opponents then back to activate backstab with Zarbon or Dodoria too

Now, you can't activate both twice each, once Zarbon or Dodoria get backstab it won't happen again until you unsummon them, summon them again

also, if you unsummon an almost dead Zarbon, you only have to wait 1.5s to use him again

[fossil robin]

It is, but backstab forcefully recovers CD, the same thing happened in that mode where stars that recover CD dropped from towers, Zarbon and Dodoria could be planted, but if you got those stars, they would recover CD, while still being planted

[golden abyss]

Oh that's actually useful

[fossil robin]

either way, this has potential, while you lose escape options, you won't be as hopeless if they get killed, and if you unsummon them on time, you can re-deploy them pretty fast

[golden abyss]

Might switch to backstab

[fossil robin]

you can just test this out on training mode too, don't even need to make the NPC move, but thanks to this, Freeza can be played more aggressively

[fossil robin]

If you wanna meme a little there's Build Up too to make them harder to kill, on top of getting less CD from backstab lol

I'm not sure Build Up is worth it, but, backstab is looking interesting

can make defending towers less of a pain in the neck, and if you're already good at unsummoning when Zarbon/Dodoria are about to die, you'll be rewarded even more since you'll wait less to use them again lol

much less, 1.5s at most with Zarbon is pretty much nothing

Lol, managed to test with Dodoria

unsummon him when he's almost dead, and it's a 0.5s CD, if you activated backstab, practically nothing

Hell thinking of it, this can even tone down the annoyance that is the likes of ultimate Gohan and Buu pushing Zamasu away, you can ust unsummon him and put him back on the field, though his aim will take a while to reach that range again

you can do something like planting Zarbon and Dodoria, using S3 to put them on crack, flying away, then flying back, to guarantee both of them get backstab, assuming they don't get killed before you get back

You don't even have to fly far, just enough that you leave your opponent's camera, although something like Shu sort of screw this up

[golden abyss]

Neat

[cursive cape]

Respect for that mountain of tips and info

[balmy plinth]

Agree, the amount of tips and tricks is crazy

[glossy lodge]

how hard did they nerf frieza

i cant solo bosses at lvl 5 in seconds anymore

[crude frost]

its not hard to look up and read the patch notes dude

-Frieza (First Form)-
↳ Skill 1: Show Them, Zarbon!
・DMG decreased: 750/750/900 → 650/650/800
・Strike Defense Down effect increased: 50 → 75
・Duration of Strike Defense Down effect decreased: 8 → 5s
↳ Skill 2: Crush Them, Dodoria!
・DMG increased: 540/600/720 → 600/660/780
・Cooldown decreased: 20 → 18s
・While Imperial Decree is active, lunge speed scaling decreased: 2.5 → 1.5

[glossy lodge]

it wasnt a question

i was simply stating it like "wtf how hard did they nerf him this sucks"

[vague geyser]

tbh i don't think he needed a nerf at all

[golden abyss]

Same here,I dont remember seeing any frieza complainers

[vague geyser]

he was pretty good if you knew what you were doing, much more fun to play against and as than ulthan, if anything he needed a small buff but definitely not a nerf

[golden abyss]

I mean,i still play him a ton because he is really good in solo queue settings

Him and Krillin

[earnest oak]

I've seen lots of frieza's use their super start on dodoria.... I kinda thought nerfed or not, they're gonna use it on zarbon instead, but i guess not.

[vague geyser]

there's a decent argument for dodoria over zarbon, largely depends on matchup and what your priorities are

like if you're going up against kefla you're gonna want dodoria, they just do more damage to them then zarbon does from what i've seen

[clear hinge]

as a buff idea frieza rush attack now applies the effects of his summons when he max out the abilities when he doesn't have them out so zarbon follow up attacks shoots a giant beam that inflicts strike defense/movement speed down dodoria follow up pushes them away

[golden abyss]

That actually sounds rad

[cursive cape]

Kinda feel like his rush is useless so it would be nice

[golden abyss]

I feel they gotta buff his hp somehow,maybe add extra hp if he recalls zarbon or dodoria with 3 npcs killed or something

[clear hinge]

nah they have to double the range of zarbon and allow frieza divine cards to apply to them

[devout musk]

The divine cards already apply to them

I’m pretty sure of that

[devout musk]

Ehhh

Freiza is kind of a noob stomper

Extra hp would be rly nice tbh especially with how kefla has so much mobility.

But gotta know his passive to ignore hits when running away and a hp buff will make him a lot harder to kill and get rid off

[clear hinge]

They are bugged where they only do a single hit of the correct DMG with the boss hunter card. But I meant green cards like solid barrier.

[night obsidian]

Hello

[cursive cape]

Wrong frieza dude

[gloomy pollen]

Say what are the best cards for Frieza again?

Making his preset

[crude frost]

I run build up, giant slayer, and limit breaking jump to continued success.

[gloomy pollen]

Thanks

[balmy plinth]

Ya'll think they would buff Frieza for season four?

[clear hinge]

lol

[devout musk]

I hope they move power away from zarbon

Truthfully they might not

[viral veldt]

I think Frieza needs a buff all over save for Ult. Zarbon and Dodoria were just not created with the new chars' damage and aoe in mind. Even if you think the paper math for Zarbon and Dodoria looks good, the reality is they do not last long enough to deliver a fraction of that

As Frieza stands his last benefits are being great at both ripping and securing bosses. I'd say tower defense, but like, he's just getting blasted away. He's better on Super Starts, but that's it

tl;dr dude dies, summons die, take too long to CD, and therefore he can't leverage the things he does well.

[devout musk]

The fact herous can either jump him easily , or ignore his cc

[golden abyss]

They're gonna nerf dodoria

[clear hinge]

Frieza was made for season 1 only because that's the only place he belongs they die too easily and don't have enough range for tower defending. And not only do they have HP then Frieza they get put on a 15 second cooldown where you don't exist as a character his one buff skill literally does nothing for teammates besides giving movement speed up in his range like no damage up? no fire rate up? No defense up? What game was he made for?

[golden abyss]

So he burns you now

[viral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-it's-nothing-wow-gif-15927228505407660714

Nobody on the dev team likes Frieza

[clear hinge]

not as much as they hate gotenks

[viral veldt]

I guess maybe the burn is a cute idea, but I'm unwilling to appreciate it when there's problems with Frieza they aren't addressing

[golden abyss]

how much does the burn do

[viral veldt]

Have to see

But maybe it'll help him boss snipe between it and Epic Hunter buffs

[balmy plinth]

Why!? He needs a buff not a nerf!

I'm so mad right now 😤

[sly kestrel]

I feel like frieza has became an ult bot

Now more than ever

[true yew]

Number 1 frieza player btw

[sly kestrel]

In my successful games, farming until level 11 has became the way to go

[sly kestrel]

Like I appreciate the ult buff

I really do

But it feels like he only gets to play every 45 seconds after he reaches level 3 super nova

[viral veldt]

It's our last good skill basically

I'm not sure why the devs expect anybody to continue playing Frieza in this state. Unless the devs are sadists

[clear hinge]

it's not even a buff they literally switched the debuff out for a entirely different thing

[sly kestrel]

I mean it helps with kills but still

[balmy plinth]

How is Frieza doing for ya'll?

[viral dagger]

I dont know the best divine cards to use for em

[clear hinge]

if frieza did rapid fire death beam when zarbon dies and idk a pyschic push? when dodoria dies i think frieza would be great right now your insanely punished with a 16 second cooldown especially when you can't instantly recall them

[golden abyss]

I mean,that would help,but I feel rn we need buffs to dodoria and zarbon

[crude frost]

Give them health Regen or something idk

[verbal karma]

Zarbon should get a 10% HP Boost while Dodoria gets 15-20% HP Boost

And to top it all off when frieza uses his S3 they should get energy defense up

[clear hinge]

have it boost allies besides just movement speed that does nothing in a fight

[deft sigil]

How does Gekishin high,Prepare,Defense step sound on Frieza?

[viral veldt]

Ideally no, because despite his speed, I think he's better used going something like Snowball/Epic Hunter/X for busting bosses and defending towers

If you wanted a rat play Kid Rathan or Hit

[sly kestrel]

Yeah i always thought ratting as frieza was rather unreliable beyond A

While he might have the highest base speed in the entire game

He barely has any way to escape unlike gohan and Hit

[clear hinge]

can friezas Imperial Decree
give allies a actually useful buff? like what are they suppose to do with a movement speed up? can it give all stats up instead?
not only is frieza still faster so you leave them behind if you want to take allies but it instantly goes away when you leave the radius

[sly kestrel]

Frieza would actually be useful if imp decree got reworked

Hardly ever does taxi'ing feel impactful while Gohan can just delete ki damage from the game and 17 offers extra health

It doesn't even help people escape bad situations most of the time because of how characters take a while to actually start boosting

[upper oasis]

what're the best cards for frieza

[viral veldt]

I run Snowball/Epic Hunter/X

Backstab's a cute parlor trick if you take the time to proc it

[devout musk]

how tf does backstab work on him?

[night obsidian]

Ultimate

[devout musk]

his ult is already 50 seconds though

[night obsidian]

spam more

[clear hinge]

Backstab doesn't work on ultimate

[viral veldt]

You set down Zarbon and Dodoria, move out of sight of your enemy, run back in and the first to hit gets a big CD reduction

it's cool, it's also a parlor trick

[night obsidian]

so sad

i always ran double dash anyway

[deft sigil]

I despise 17 when playing Frieza dude is genuinely a nuisance

[clear hinge]

Frieza (First Form)
↳ Super Attack: Supernova
・Effect that applies All Attack Down to enemies in the burn area added.
↳ Skill 1: Show Them, Zarbon!
・you are now able to narrow but lengthen Zarbons attack range.
↳ Skill 3: Imperial Decree
・Imperial Decree now grants ally heroes all stats up for 4s

[devout musk]

freiza players

iv got a question is there a way to deal with aoe attacks as freiza?

for example everytime i face bojack

i feel like his mines end up killing zarbon rly fast

[devout musk]

Also

Dude needs serious buffs

The ult buff was nice

But his rush attacks are useless and zarbon gets engaged on too easily . Do do

[clear hinge]

No take that 15s cooldown for daring to use your skills

[woeful scroll]

yeah the good old RUN AWAY

[devout musk]

Freiza players

What do yall take for cards

Rly rn I’m running a flue blue build with strategic . Epic hunter and double dash

Rly all of that to escape god vegeta and run away as much as possible

Moving around a lot or reposition my underlings

Late game though after bosses are gone I swap epic for giantslayer for max ult damage

[vague geyser]

i run build up, barrier and defense step as frieza

the logic behind it is zarbon and dodoria get the buffs from build up and the general green card buffs, build up is better then too easy since frieza wants to be getting a LOT of farm, barrier protects from bursts and defense step is just godly

you could replace barrier with giant slayer or epic hunter if you're able to reliably secure, but build up and defense step are hard to beat imo

[woeful scroll]

strategic escape epic hunter and defense step when the bosses are dead i swap epic hunter with either giant slayer or afterimage

the goal is to farm enough to reach level 11 so you have max ult and then just spam supernova and s3 on offense and s1 and 2 on defense but you can also use dodoria for cc and for distrupt or just attack in general

[deft sigil]

Switch Too Defense.

[thick basalt]

All blue: Gekishin High, Epic Hunter, and Limit Breaking Jump. Once the bosses are dealt with, I swap Epic Hunter for Art of Decoy

[sly kestrel]

What does frieza even do a high A/S rank bro

[clear hinge]

lol

[deft sigil]

Steal bosses lol

[thick basalt]

Ratting and boss secure

[covert leaf]

Snowball, Skin, LBJ

[night obsidian]

THE GOAAAAATTT

[rancid arrow]

Quick chat tell me you Zarbon and Dadoria setups

[vague geyser]

I cry tears of joy whenever Freezy-pop says "Zarbon, Dodoria, we're moving out!" 🥹

[viral veldt]

Snowball/Epic Hunter/LBJ

[devout musk]

why snowball over strategic escape

[viral veldt]

damage. boss busting

[devout musk]

been swapping between strategic epichunter/lbj

and strategic . sheild, lbj

[devout musk]

yeah true

imo i play freiza a lot more proactive so maybe strategic fits me more

[covert leaf]

Freeza has easily the fastest default speed, you don’t need it until late game

[viral veldt]

You can, but like, what is Frieza going to meaningfully do without damage? His ratting is hindered by S1 and 2 CD's. He has speed and if you need to flee and people are after you, while running away drop Dodorio in front of you and run, Dodorio will push them and get them off you

Frieza is weak atm, and he ain't the best rat of the Techs. So your best bet is to leverage his talents to create advantages. He's great pressure and tower defense in a team fight. And when set up he can shred bosses. Also, watching people die as their escape route is cut off by Zarbon brings me glee

[formal slate]

Lord Frieza !!

I feel as though Lord Frieza should have his second form be a damage form and he can use moves like he moved used against piccolo on namek because Frieza technically has a bunch of forms so he has a bunch of options plus freezes like the gateway to all other characters across the universe so you definitely deserves more props. I like what heart said about the strategic withdrawal using the Dodoria's crush and as they try to escape having Zarbon finish them

[viral veldt]

I feel like Form 2 should be a char with 3 as a transform. Final Form with Golden as another char

[formal slate]

Nice

So second form would be awesome because changing into the third form would allow them to counter kid Buu Super Saiyan 3 Goku Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta just mainly like big burst characters it be like he'd be like initiator counter-aggressive damage style that's what I can see because first form he was doing a lot of energy waves and a lot of Hands-On combat like when he's skewered krillin but then when you transformed into his third form he was doing a lot of rapid finger beams and fast movement so it's really evasive he was doing more trap skills more like if the Doria and tsarbon turned into one character type s*** and then you can use the second form to like be aggressive to like really get like that damage roll going and then transform and really push them back and keep them at Bay with third form and long range and such

[crude frost]

it could be cool if we had a character that actually transformed more than once

[formal slate]

Interesting

Why though

[crude frost]

Just for them to have it. You can split the buff over multiple forms or even have the moveset change with each form maybe to account for different phases of the game and if you fall behind in levels you can't transform to take advantage.

You can balance it by having those transforms not have invincibility like the others or something.

But a lot of epic moments in the series are how you have a villain transform multiple times over the course of the battle

You could have a little bit of that represented in a single character whose unique thing is the mechanic.

Freiza is a great candidate because he has many many forms.

Imagine starting the match as the second form and as you go on to the third, final and then golden.

The devs of games tend to skip manga stuff not in the anime yet so probably no black freiza but hopefully you see the vision here.

With the right sort of balancing and design you could allow for some interesting risk and reward on timing the transformations during battle.

[delicate swan]

Or second form, third, final and 100% max power!

[wooden hill]

he is fun in ranked