Frieza (First Form)

[void compass]

Then level zarbon again

And steal all the exp from their side

At level 5 if the boss isnt spawned yet dont get supernova just get dodoria

Bully the people in your lane with that and then at 6 get supernova and rush the boss

At level 7 level imperial decree IF THERES NO CHARACTERS THAT WILL INSTA KILL ZARBON

If the enemy is going for zarbon level dodoria instead of decree at level 7

At level 8 if you think you're gonna be using supernova soon level it up if not level zarbon to level 3 instead of supernova

Then get supernova at 9

[void compass]

Like if its on cd

Level 10 i usually level the skill thats still level 1 up to 2

Unless zarbon is getting one shot like i said before in that case level dodoria to 3 and leave imperial decree at 1

Then at 11 max level supernova is crazy

For skill 3

If the enemy isnt going for zarbon then you can leave it at level 1

[jolly oar]

Do you have any whole games? 😭

[void compass]

Goresh did frieza to S rank

On youtube

[jolly oar]

Ah okay, was he good?

[void compass]

He's higher rank than you and he showed the climb so you can see what he did in the different ranks

And he was learning frieza too

[jolly oar]

Yeah, I rarely watch yt videos because most guides or videos were from day 1 and gave the wrong advice

[winged bough]

Yea I solo'd frieza to s

Frieza is easy to solo with as a tech character. The best solo tech character you don't really start struggling with Frieza until A1

If your playing him correctly

It took me maxing dedoria first to learn frieza. Then I switched to zarbon once I learned frieza.

[void compass]

And its not because A ranks are hard its because you start going against S ranks

[winged bough]

Exactly... this

You start playing stacks in a rank

Really just a1 rank

And the s ranks are only a problem because most of them are playing in a group while your playing solo. Which they were okay to deal with pre-ssj3

With ssj3, beating a group borderline impossible

[void compass]

Because sweeping beam IS taking out zarbon

Ay but on my grind i got s rank solo queuers from luck

[winged bough]

Yea, you got lucky af because I kept running into top 50. Straight combing tf out of us.

Hit into IT Kamahamas

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

That move should not be able to be moved. That one fix will be a hard nerf to ssj3

[stone zodiac]

I barey run into stacks

[remote tangle]

Yall the dude who got the stupid 440k buu game is now #1 on frieza boards. @void compass your top 3 spot isn't long for this world

[void compass]

NOOOOOOO

[void compass]

Bro

HES THE ONE BEATING ME FOR GOKU DAIMA TOO

[remote tangle]

I want to make a truce with you to stop chipi...

Only problem is... I don't really have a premade anymore...

After the session with the high frieza ranking game the first one my premade did and the only one I was part of they replaced me with someone else bcuz I wasn't available at one point (and probably also bcuz I don't vc)

So I kinda need a premade... And I was kinda wondering if I could join yours?

[void compass]

I dont even have a premade man the frieza game that put me there was solo q

[remote tangle]

What??

What about miniku?

How did you do that!?!?

[void compass]

Oh miniku was in a duo with @brisk edge

Match of hell

[remote tangle]

We could create a premade then!

[brisk edge]

S rank lobbies btw

idk how they let this one slide

[remote tangle]

The randos just decided to farm with yall?

[void compass]

It wasnt farming we were fighting for our lives

[brisk edge]

That was an actual game we were playing

[left abyss]

won the last like 8 matches but dude what 3rd card do i use on frieza

[winged bough]

Double dash step blue card

[feral shard]

hey guys, need some tips on how to best play Freeza

if I position my minions in the clouds/grass, are they also invisible until they attack? is this a good way of protecting the towers or harassing enemies?

[dry bane]

Bruh what

if you don't play GH and you hit a single burst on a tower you are a minion for 30 seconds

[stone zodiac]

Lots of tips in here

[upbeat scroll]

I'm gonna be real

If I wanna have fun

I just play Freeza

There's something fun about him

And I don't know what

[slender zodiac]

I think what they are saying is that as Frieza ideally you should be setting up Zarbon and Dodoria to defend your teammates while they Gekishin Burst

instead of you yourself doing it

Though I do think that is a bit idealistic espeically for solo queue

[dry bane]

if i play in team, this is a thing i consider

if you play solo and wait for your team we are talking of an other game that is not this one lol

[dry bane]

exactly

also in team it enables 22s max gekishing, you can have ult back 100% for every boss plus full team shield

[steep fulcrum]

I'm a team player whenever I play frieza so yea, I only use 3 or super attack as gek bursts if I'm soloing

But hey that's prolly just me and if you're okay without zarbon dodoria then go ahead ykwim

[dry bane]

ye in team i do literal 0 tower damage unless is a max burst or decree on tower, heck i also do a lot of decree on zarbon just for the better zoning

[winged bough]

This right here, I do the same the... my other skills is to make the the opp back tf up lol

[glossy lodge]

I used to think SS3 goku wasnt a big deal but now it is

Its not even his IT

Its the fact he can turn the Kamehameha

Just remove that and he's balanced imo

[dry bane]

the fact is that he hard looses any early game matchup on paper, if you don't have bojack on your side. Issue is, noone abuses him. He also lack an ultimate untill 7, making objectives much worse. Also, his Khh and DragonFist do 0 damage on bosses if you ult as Frieza

[stone zodiac]

If i get a cell jr game can I just close the game and not lose any points?

[glossy lodge]

Thats hardly an issue when even when you have a bad game you can get to 7 quick enough to only be 1 level behind

Hes got the mobility to try to score and fail but get exp anyway then get out

Some tanks like cell sure can chase him and prevent him from getting away but even cooler cant

[dry bane]

if i'm against ssj3 be sure your "hardly an issue" will be an issue, unless i'm solo vs duo Cauli+SSJ3 is probably a stomped lane 9/10. We can't really talk about skill issue to say you can get levels quick

he definitely scales fast, but not fast enough in this game. He is the noobstomper in a game where noobs are the vast majority, I swear no SSJ3 vs Abe's Daima could get level 7 before he got 2 bosses

ps: cooler just deletes him, caulifla can force him to miss khh and prevents S2 as an escape tool. Cell is the last of the issues

[glossy lodge]

I get 2 bosses as frieza before ss3 goku is online, doesnt mean the game is won since theres still 3 other teammates that need to do their job

If the enemy team is able to stall a little bit then ss3 will be online enough for him to become a problem

[dry bane]

"still 3 other teammates that need to do their job" we are still talking about team skill issues, if you got 2 bosses as Frieza you should already have set the win in your favor

[glossy lodge]

Easily depends on how the lanes went

Frieza can snipe the boss in seconds

[dry bane]

"if i got all bosses but enemy baseku is level 15 got all cell jr" is not about frieza

[glossy lodge]

But if the lane was going terrible itll just make it into a stalemate

[dry bane]

still, if you played ANY other tech, you would loose to that SSJ3 outscaling you eventually, on top of having 0 impact on bosses

still proving Frieza is better for soloq at this point

[glossy lodge]

I am not arguing against that

I am arguing ss3 having a moving kamehameha is busted

Itd be fine if it didnt have movement

Is not a problem for me as frieza

[dry bane]

you can just strafe around him, i'd prefer that, which again i can use my 40s ult to completely negate his damage than a 10k hammer meteor that has 3s cd

[glossy lodge]

But it is an issue for teamfights

Theyre chaotic as it is and he could be defending a god then IT in to a teammate and use his kamehameha which is impossible to miss due to movement, sure it wont 1 shot you but its still far too easy free damage

[dry bane]

baseku is an issue for teamfights, Kale S3 S1 is an issue in teamfights, gohan ult is an issue on teamfight, hit ult is an issue for teamfights

i don't get what this has to do with frieza in general and not fitting into SSJ3 channel at this point

this game is umbalanced in general

[glossy lodge]

Yeah but neither them all get to move their skills nor teleport into the fight across the map

[dry bane]

did you even check baseku movespeed on max KK?

[glossy lodge]

Yeah but pressing B gets me out of his kamehameha

And i can see it coming from a mile away

[dry bane]

i can smell your rank at this point ngl

[glossy lodge]

Ss3 i need to know the position of everyone on the map to know where hes coming from

[dry bane]

still, no reason to cry about his moving khh on frieza channel

wtf

[glossy lodge]

All your supposed high rank advice told me is "lol just stomp him in lane bro"

Damn why didnt i think of that

[dry bane]

you do your frieza job regardless of the pick they have, then you can still loose to SSJ3 as you can loose to a bojack, you have the tools to deny his exp, nor he should be toplane, nor he should take any kaio if he is toplane. Then, how the game may go is an other story

the advantage you have is that he cannot snipe any objective into your ultimate, which is already massive

if he S2 onto the objective he is already bad enough

[glossy lodge]

Id argue a boss snipe is worth to die for

But its whatever

[dry bane]

i mean S2 does so low damage and is so slow that is very hard to snipe zarbon decree + ult + farmer

can happen, probably not

[glossy lodge]

I meant in general not just ss3

[dry bane]

i got boss 3 stolen by a buu auto attack because my ult stoped ticking at 1 hp from the kill so

[glossy lodge]

Like unless its late game id die for a boss

[void compass]

What the hell is going on here

[thorny raven]

If buu sniped a boss with autos, i dont think thats a Frieza problem

[dry bane]

indeed, at least Buu is good on frieza just by the fact he can use the run skill to push zarbon away

if you could see enemy picks tho

[smoky fog]

making a guide for freeza

expect it to drop in like 3 or 4 days since i don't have too much time

i hope people enjoy it

[void compass]

Put zarbon behind cover profit

[remote tangle]

I look forward to seeing it

[glossy lodge]

Longass game and i just had the zeno appear and tell us "finish the game bums"

[void compass]

pushed out of top 3

frieza force does not retreat

[smoky fog]

im glad to hear

since no img perms i wont be able to like

put the highlights and stuff

but as a text i think its fine to understand

[little badge]

Best character in the game

Unless the zarbon dodoria defense gets hit with the spirit bomb

[rocky jolt]

zarbon and dodoria is stronger than ribranne (canonically trust)

change my mind

[feral shard]

yay 🙂

[feral shard]

yeah, I asked and didn't get an answer. does Zarbon become invisible in the clouds/grass? is this the best usage of him?

[void compass]

He doesnt and even if he did hes gonna shoot and reveal himself anyway

[winged bough]

Lol no the gokus are they both counter you. Shoot even hit is better than frieza. He's just harder to use. The good hit players focus zarbon and you only all game

[little badge]

Agree with the ssj3 goku but zarbon focusing isnt some new invention. hit players have gotten cucked trying to get either zarbon or me and the dodoria. Frieza's faster so he can gain some distance and throw a little super nova while you focusing on zarbon. Not really even counting teammates not being there. Hit also aint doing sht against a frieza defending

[dry bane]

if i let zarbon and dodoria die to a SB coming down at the slowest speed in the univers is my issue 🤣 Dodo(dge) and put them back 2 seconds later ahahah

[crystal nova]

What are the best cards u guys recommend for freiza?

[bronze goblet]

The double dash one

[crystal nova]

And?

[bronze goblet]

Gang idk I just press auto for the cards

[smoky fog]

just finished the guide

feeling a bit nervous but i will drop it later

[smoky fog]

i think that's pretty much it, if you have any question feel free to make, or if you want to add more info also feel free to add, wishing the best of luck if you want to grind with freeza/ trying him out

here the start of it

[cursive crypt]

Did not expect to like Frieza as much as I do

Genuinely might think about buying them when my trial runs out

[feral shard]

care to share? I could do with some guidance for Freeza

[smoky fog]

after this message

feel free to save it if you want

[feral shard]

I saw it. I am reading ow!! would be nice if this could be pinned by Mods...

or, if it's not too much to ask, can you DM it to me? so it's easier to find 😄

[feral shard]

I've been going for green cards to boost survivability, rather tha mobility. I like the idea of Snowball, but that assumes you can kill many players. my experience with Freeza is more of support rather than killer

[cursive crypt]

I played like a tower definitely

Setting up Zarbon to cover open spaces, Dorito for angles people would need to take to avoid Zarbon

Especially if I am farming

I never thought about letting Zarbon sit in front of our NPCs though for free passive farm

That's ingenius

[smoky fog]

it's fair, but particularly i think freeza shouldn't go for defense and boost what he is good, unlike gohan that needs defense for exemple

but if its working for you then there is no need to change

[smoky fog]

if any mods feel to pin it here id be glad

i wont be pinging tho

[feral shard]

no, it is not necessarily working. it's easy to blame on my team mates, but I cannot be as self-suficient with Freeza as I can with other characters

I am very good at harassing and defending with Kuririn... but I cannot do the same with Freeza

[smoky fog]

try doing the build i do for boss killing, im self-suficient with him, but freeza needs to be very careful

he is really squishy but since his mobility is really high you are more safe

[feral shard]

maybe he's not suited for my playstyle and that's fair enough. I enjoy playing with him but I am C1 bordering B4 and matches are getting tougher

[smoky fog]

i will see if someone pin, not gonna demand it tho lol but copy paste in the notepad

it's a bit better for organization

[smoky fog]

his difficult scaling isn't like mega hard but he kinda needs to like play more safe

z

[cursive crypt]

Mods pin !!!!

[feral shard]

I'm not the type of guy to sacrifice myself to get a kill... but I do enjoy being engaged in combat more often than not

I have found that Freeza is a bit useless at defending towers at End Game as anyone with big AOE Ults will just wipe your minions that were trying to block Gekishin Attacks 🙁

something needs to be done about how easy it is to destroy towers and shield 🙁

[smoky fog]

i engage a lot in combat with freeza, even with big aoe ults i tend to live, not because of tanking but more like being cautious
i tend to retreat often with their minions so they don't die, but when it happens it's most of time okay

[smoky fog]

more lvl more damage depending on the tower

iirc

[feral shard]

maybe I haven't figured it out properly yet but I see people dealing damage without fully charging their Gekishin Attack (normal or max)

that's what people call chip damage, right?

I thought Zarbon and Dodoria would be good at blocking people from doing chip damage but... I can't seem to be able to do it

[smoky fog]

when they keep attacking the tower yeah

[smoky fog]

they are good at blocking

chip dmg not really

but like i said you can more safer since dodoria is that good for defending fods

my guide zzz

[cursive crypt]

Drop Dodoria inside the GOD circle

With Zarbon somewhere covering the Circe and passed it

Ive straight up stopped enemies from preventing my own GOD attacks with that

[valid mulch]

To add to to this add ur skill 3 with dodoria and no one will touch the tower especially with carbon there dish out too much damage if ur a decent level

[feral shard]

I see, so basically throw them inside the enemy tower to allow me to deal some Gek Damage? nice!!

[dry bane]

btw red the guide, level 2 zarbon is same damage as level 1, and attack speed is not high enough to justify not taking decree second at 3 most of the time

also.... epic hunter... come on...

[smoky fog]

ask anyone else, you can change later If you want,
thats why i didnt put a single build

and i think its stupid focusing on decree, if you want to just rush tower and whatever sure but for freeza there is no reason for that

zz
i will keep mentioning so people can read chat dosent go away

[smoky fog]

not stupid i just don't think you should put priority on it since dodoria and the ultimate are way more important

but i did put a tower backdoor build so if you want sure not really a problem

[steep fulcrum]

I think he meant zarbon then decree first instead of zarbon lvl 2 with frieza lvl 3

[smoky fog]

If its that, only do it for super start or s1 dmg up

you will want zarbon at lvl3 faster

i put that on the guide

i think

i understand him but usually you will do zarbon> dodoria > decree

[steep fulcrum]

Yes you'll still prio zarbon, I think what he's trying to say is that it's better to have zarbon and decree first at lvl 3, then upgrade zarbon later because decree not only helps zarbon but you and your ally's movement speed so it's a versatile skill choice instead of just zarbon/for yourself

[smoky fog]

give me a min im kinda busy rn
but for that depends on how you play
freeza dosent need to be teammate reliant, for the overrall like control of lane boss rush towrr etc etc its better working on your damaging stuff first

Just taking for exemple not saying you are

But you say that for solo q or group?

like, which you do

[steep fulcrum]

Nah I'm just tryna clarify what he might be tryna say

But I think he solo that's tryna be a team player

Instead of soloq solo player ykwim

[smoky fog]

oh i see
yeahjm mhm i dont agree much with his vision but his question was fine

zzzguide

[dry bane]

decree + zarbon is like double attack speed increase than level 2 zarbon

spoiler: open training mode and test

also, taking epic hunter on a character you barely have time to charge ult with instead of solid barrier...

art of decoy doesn't really provide nothing for him, you are already THE fastest character, if you need to run that's skill issue imo

[smoky fog]

full support, not a big fan but worked with me

i prefer going to bosses with freeza

[dry bane]

doesn't mean you need epic hunter * with already an ultimate that is a boss secure

is like saying i need 6 smites to kill a baron on fed master yi kek

[smoky fog]

like whatever, solid barrier didnt work with me and i barely lose with freeza, if it works for you like good

[smoky fog]

Ibdont understand about league my bad

[dry bane]

you are the fastest character, you are the fastest killing boss character

you have issues with burst because of cd and yo uare squishhy

better take art of decoy and epic hunter so i'm still squishy and i can't burst tower

[smoky fog]

you can change later, i take it to secure bosses pretty fine

[dry bane]

why

do

you even need epic hunter in the first place???

[smoky fog]

early boss win
i just take it go to boss then i take the tower right after that most of time

[dry bane]

i think no character needs it ngl

you win every boss

[smoky fog]

i dont need to wait a bunch of people

to have a chance to take it

[dry bane]

bruh

[smoky fog]

only for freeza imo, the other techs i tried and didnt do well

probably because of the minions

[dry bane]

#✨game-moments message i did super bad at this boss bruh do i need a boost?

to kill it 0.2s faster???

it still dies, didn't even rush attack and with ult at 50% that doesn't even need the card to kill

on top of preventing any energy damage on boss while active

whatever anyone skipping solid barrier is +20 points i guess

[smoky fog]

do what works with you atp
you know if the enemy team goes on you or the boss you will likely just die if they catch you up
you can steal bosses and etc with epic hunter i think its fine for him

[dry bane]

if you have solid barrier you don't die

[smoky fog]

your opinion is valid dont think im scolding or something like that

[dry bane]

at all, you can even freely charge the ult

2 seconds in a mobs are an entire teamfight

not scolding, saying he needs epic hunter is skill issue and, the moment you need it you should understand why you do

[smoky fog]

b

[dry bane]

i just dislike misinformations

[smoky fog]

i heavily disagree but sure whatever i say

[dry bane]

all it does is making your zarbon faster, leaving boss lower between your ult touching ground and boss hps, it means even easyer boss steal but whatever

[smoky fog]

feel free to add that solid barrier is good on him

[dry bane]

keep using it i should come to na to abuse friezas now lol

[smoky fog]

it didnt work with me

but it is the way it is

[smoky fog]

lol, but if it work with you im glad, i don't have issues or think the other builds are like bad, freeza is self suficient enough

all the stuff i said on the guide worked or works constantly with me

[smoky fog]

pretty sure goresh also did that for his grind to S, not saying this really changes much but a bigger youtuber using it in a video kinda helps to show my point

but id still keep doing epic hunter

[dry bane]

i probably can stomp goresh blindfolded

also no gekishin high mention on a character with 30s cd on spells

saying green cards are bad

no mention to level 7 skip

meh

[smoky fog]

sorry if i look bad explaining im not that good with it

[smoky fog]

i used it before, im not saying like "omg goresh used you are wrong now" people can just see it working atleast

[smoky fog]

all based in my experience, as i said if stuff worked for you im glad

guide

[stone zodiac]

@smoky fog bad advice, epic hunter is useless. You dont get to use it til 2nd boss and you need barrier. You already insta kill the bosses with zarbon decree and farmer. Maybe could use first card red? But you already do a lot of damage and need the flex to do some tower dmg. You always go zarbon into decree too. Max zarbon ult then decree. Talking about s lobbies 2000+ mmr

[dry bane]

the moment he spammed the guide every 2 messages i started thinking it was just for attention, guess i'll need to make a proper one

[worldly dawn]

And the card epic hunter activates if the boss has 50%or lower health, so the enemy will be ready to steal it

[smoky fog]

its not, if Its that bad i will delete

[dry bane]

there should be pins in the first place but they miss for some reasons

[smoky fog]

i will remove the epic hunter and put solid barrier
my bad if It wasnt that good

[smoky fog]

yeah, but its fine tho
may i know the lvl 7 skip

i will delete it i think its better just talking when people explain

tought it would be fun doing a guide lol

[worldly dawn]

Probably the skip he meant was that at lvl 7 you keep the upgrade, so when you get at lvl 8 you can upgrade skill at max and upgrade the ult

[worldly dawn]

I normally do that bcs some characters benefit a lot, and don't give much about a skill at lvl 1

[smoky fog]

yeah

[stone zodiac]

@smoky fog yeah its a really bad card

[smoky fog]

they might need to change, i might be caught in a illusion because of freeza natural kit

really tought i was getting more benefit from it

the other techs its useless tho lol

[dry bane]

it may work for very high level gameplay/tournaments which we will never have to secure genkidama/dragonfist damage on contested bosses

but still, solid barrier would be better

[smoky fog]

i see

[stone zodiac]

Against any decent play you will get one shot without barrier

[dry bane]

in a game where goku can S2>KK and stagger you for 80%

[stone zodiac]

@dry bane what do you do when you are playing dps and people dont rotate to boss? Just give it up and farm? I been playing piccolo a lot and no one in S rank will let you sit there charging ult lol

[dry bane]

piccolo is so bad on solo objectives, if yo uused sbc in lane it hits like wet noodles, and doing 50% on the boss on top of full charging SBC is not happening. Baseku has no issues with this tho 🤣

is a mix between: can i zone them out or not? if not what can i farm?

a boss + a doublekill for your enemies is worse than just boss

[stone zodiac]

Ye lol. Late game he can be a monster tho. Solid barrier is a good counter for him.

Ill just farm

Bro i be getting friezas in s rank that dont even rotate/back at 4 min to do double minions. They never farm double miniom spawns then decree to rotate. They just stand autoing minions lol

[dry bane]

people keeps saying frieza is braindead, then:

[dry bane]

.

[stone zodiac]

Hes literally the best farming support unit in the game

You can farm so fast and rotate to help

Where would you put piccolo in top 5 dps?@dry bane

[dry bane]

hard to say

should even win lane vs ssj3 but ssj3 just scales at some point vs him

he is very good in voice duo

[stone zodiac]

Goku, SS3, Piccolo, Kale, Uub?

Or would you put kale above

Thing about ss3 you can trade a light grenade or a sbc fornhis kamahameha

I think for tower defence/push piccolo is at his best. When he can abuse his range. But at bosses he cant really use light grenade that easily

[dry bane]

piccolo is definitely 10 times worse than kale

i'd say kale=Goku>A18=SSJ3>Piccolo>rest

can't really say about gamma and trunks but a good trunks should stomp piccolo, issue is there is no good trunks in general

[smoky fog]

gammas arent that good,
trunks could fit behind piccolo, but its like you said there isnt really good trunks in general

[dry bane]

oh i forgot daima, but i even think Daima is better than Piccolo ngl

[smoky fog]

i used to dislike daimaku but people at high rank are good with him

yeahh he def is

[stone zodiac]

Thinking about playing more trunks he looks fun

[stone zodiac]

@dry bane just lost 42 rp lol didnt think you could lose that much

[faint copper]

Ive lost like 56 once 💀

What cards are best for frieza boss slayer 😈

[stone zodiac]

I use geki high solid barrier double vanish

[faint copper]

Sneaky frieza 😈

[dry bane]

i did a 29 minute guide on frieza lol

holy

[void compass]

Never take epic hunter you dont need it

SUPERNOVA WILL BLOCK SPIRIT BOMBS from gokus trying to rob you

[dry bane]

i had a ssj3 try to steal A16 with S2

it didn't end well for him

[dry bane]

seeing both gokus waste ultimates into supernova makes me laugh like Frieza

[void compass]

Energy attack

[dry bane]

ye but like he probably had s2 at level 1 at that point it hit for wet noodles damage, but that was smart ngl

[faint copper]

Where guide???

[dry bane]

need time to upload

just talking on a 7 minute game it went up to 29 minutes god

[faint copper]

Frieza is favourite tech but not sure of cards yet 😭

Or what order to upgrade skills

Except like get zarbon

[dry bane]

that's in the video

and in some comments above they asked the same

[dry bane]

.

this one

[dry bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdFfWfnz60

[dry bane]

did i really get a warning for SELF PROMOTION because i made a guide for a dead game? LOL

[lavish echo]

You posted about a dead game? 🤔

[faint copper]

Its not self promo since i asked where to find it

[feral shard]

I think the Guide got deleted...

@smoky fog 🙁

[smoky fog]

my bad it's just after talking with more freeza users it would be better if i either re did it or like just help with people question

if anything ask mitzuji or feel free to ask me

[feral shard]

don't let negative feedback put you down. this works FOR YOU and this is what you are suggesting people to try. maybe it works for other people

like I said, I struggle to play defensively but, you know what?? I got 2 wins with Freeza yesterday, being MVP in one of them

Zarbon Harass and Dodoria blocking the escape route was AMAZING!!!

I went bottom road, put Zarbon facing forwards, Dodoria facing backwards. bro was trying to run away only to get pushed back into the middle of the lane and unable to escape, while my partner finished him off

[faint copper]

Been playing freiza a bit after watching guide and only win 😭

I was already doing decent but the better cards help 😈

[smoky fog]

zarbon hates minorities lmfao
thanks for being kind

[void compass]

We ALL waiting for the frieza finisher to drop

[feral shard]

also I saw someone saying something about leaving Zarbon around to farm exp and I love that idea too 😄

[smoky fog]

yeahh its really good, you basically dont have to only auto for farm

[faint copper]

Farmer with a shotgun to 1v4 😈

[feral shard]

do you have to be close to the kill to get exp? can I, for example, farm on Top Lane and stay in Bottom Lane?

[void compass]

You dont have to be near them at all

[dry bane]

If you want in the video above there Is that too

[feral shard]

please share. more knowledge is never a bad thing!!

DM me directly, so you don't get another ban warning

[dry bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdFfWfnz60 this one

[feral shard]

oh, that's long

I will check it on the train ride home

so I can pay attention

[dry bane]

ye there are too much things to consider, easy on paper but with a lot of little things to know

[median copper]

For imperial decree to boost subordinate attack speed do they have to be in range ?

[steep fulcrum]

Yes

[median copper]

Thanks

[feral shard]

Imperial Decree boosts only placed minios or also minions that are hitting with rush attack?

[dry bane]

no only placed

[vocal raptor]

Best build for Frieza is full Blue card set?

[feral shard]

ah, that's a bit pants then

I thought it also worked on team mates...

[dry bane]

i mean yes, but the attack speed buff is only for minion

all the rest is jsut movespeed for you and your allies in the circle

[feral shard]

I see, I see. thank you!!

[neon terrace]

Too easy -> solid barrier -> extra vanish

Or boss hunter if u want to farm objectives

Which Frieza does very very well

[void compass]

Hell no on too easy

Just go full speed or bulk up if you're that scared of dying

[dry bane]

my day is ruined and a giraffe died once more

[void compass]

I mustve glossed over this oh hell nah

[dry bane]

if you die with solid barrier, bulk up can be called skill issue and won't really save him i guess

why do i even make a guide if they can't scroll 1 comment up hahaah

[stone zodiac]

Why are people so mentally restarted. Frieza is the easiest character to play in the game. I keep getting friezas that dont farm. Dont ult bosses. People that dont go barrier lmfao. So troll

[dry bane]

Easiest? I mean not really

But Is not like they get all the skill issues solved because of Frieza, Is more like there Is nothing that carries you if you don't play properly

[stone zodiac]

I mean he is a pretty self explanatory character

[worldly dawn]

yeah he's pretty explanatory, but you need to keep in mind a lot of things, he requires positioning and especially keep in mind your minions and their positioning too (you don't want them to die bcs, you cannot use them for 20 seconds or more and, without them frieza cannot do anything)

[stone zodiac]

I think i overestimate the IQ of people

[neon terrace]

Why does everyone in this cord talk like a redditor

[dry bane]

why can't anyone scroll or use search functions

[neon terrace]

You got me

[smoky fog]

you dont have to be near them

[stone zodiac]

How do you counter a frieza and a goku insta ulting bosses lol. Free boss everytime

[void compass]

Supernova blocks energy attacks guess what gokus ult is

[smoky fog]

supernova, don't feel shy using your ultimate on bosses

[mighty furnace]

if it's the earlier bosses

u can easily kill them before they can even ult with imperial dance and both of ur troops down

if it's jaco and rib

than yeah just ult steal

[dry bane]

Ye i mean his ult makes your team secures even Better, but at that point Is a matter of voice chat and you still have Dragonfista and Kale nukes. If i duo with a Frieza, i'll be sure to tell him or ask to ult in advance so i can chain my burst.

The base Is: in any moba you should have vision of the enemy or zone them before boss. If Frieza could setup It means that you were late

[gloomy pollen]

Say I'm curious

Is one of the drawbacks of that frieza the fact that ya need to max out zarbon from the start?

[dry bane]

Is maxing a skill a drawback on any character? 99% of the cast has a specific skill that shines above others and they max It first

[gloomy pollen]

Nonono

I am basing this on my recent matches

I performed well cause zarbon was maxed out from the start

I got a dragon ball and mvp

But when I had to level him up

[dry bane]

Missing Infos so, you got a superstart

[gloomy pollen]

Yup

[dry bane]

Doesnt matter if you get superstart or not, you mostly Always max that best skill on most of the characters

[gloomy pollen]

I see

[dry bane]

The only issue Frieza has, that noone else has, Is that zarbon hps DO NOT scale with skill level

[gloomy pollen]

Guess I am not as good with frieza as I thought

[dry bane]

So even tho It does damage, the enemy can straight up oneshot him

Issue Is max dodoria First has the same problem and max decree Is troll so, Is Always zarbon. In fact, id say Frieza Is Zarbon's puppet

I did a long guide on Frieza It you want

[gloomy pollen]

Sure I'll take a look

[rancid arrow]

Does frieza lighting swift work for zarbon even when he's deployed

[steep fulcrum]

Yes it does

[stone zodiac]

Lol lightning swift

[dry bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdFfWfnz60

[gloomy pollen]

I'll check it out later

[rancid arrow]

Does it cover the skill priority as in which to max out 1st

[dry bane]

Yes

[rancid arrow]

ura

[median copper]

They should pin this

[dry bane]

They who tho 🤣

Glad you liked it

#✨game-moments message E rank spotted

[clear forge]

Upon only using Frieza for my a grind

I can say

THIS CHARACTER IS WILD BRO

First off, the way you can stall your enemies while zarbon kills the supreme Kai early game allows you to take a massive lead

2nd, Frieza MELTS all bosses hp, especially Nappa’s, and is able to effectively attach 16 without taking damage

Allowing your team to potentially get double Zeno if they are on the same thought process

Now the main seller for this unit, the late game

If you properly manga his cooldowns, and place zarbon and Dodoria correctly, he can perfectly defend and destroy ANYBODY who comes near

Especially with the speed boost

Hm: his max supernova

The DAMAGE it does when added on to the minions

It’s wild

Frieza himself can change the tide of battle if you are properly defending + your damage roles are going their job

Sorry about all the yap, I just love this character

Most of this was probably said lol

[stone zodiac]

Yeah Frieza is my strongest char

[slender zodiac]

Depending on how smart my enemies are I'm considering just using Dodoria to protect Zarbon on some boss confirms

people are starting to wise up and attack him

[dry bane]

Zarbon positioning is the key mechanic, you want to use specific angles, abuse walls depending on enemy approach. 1s earlier positioning of Zarbon can be the difference between a dead one and a secured Kaio, sometimes you want to delay the most you can.

Dodoria is as strong as your imagination i guess

what i do a ton is to position zarbon in the grass with the angle covering both the opposite bush and the entire lane

i wish retreat was actually smoother, but seems not

[slender zodiac]

yesss exactly

[void compass]

If it didnt have a delay frieza would be top 1 uncontested

[dry bane]

that would be a nightmare ahahaha i think he is perfect as it is now, he is strong but i wouldn't touch it anymore

[dry bane]

why is every reddit Frieza taking epic hunter 🤣

[void compass]

E ranks are insane

[dry bane]

bUt yOu cAn sWaP iT LaTer

there is no later in this game

there is just -20

[lavish echo]

1s earlier positioning of Zarbon can be the difference between

But doesn’t understand epic Hunter

And this is why takes are consumed with healthy amounts of salt

To be clear barrier is better, but there’s a difference between “this makes no sense” and “this is suboptimal”

[dry bane]

you literally have no time to fully charge your ultimate and be at optimal range to secure the boss

is like VASTLY suboptimal

i'd rather take it on goku just because genkidamage levels are just range and not damage, and he doesn't last hit the last boss as good as the first one

and Frieza laning and pressure outside the boss are SIGNIFICANTLY stronger with solid, especially because his gameplay allows it to be more or less perma active when needed

[void compass]

Get the boss in 3 seconds and get one shot vs get the boss in 4 seconds and live

[lavish echo]

Epic being there for the rush secure is a sensible pick up. Opportunity cost wise it certainly loses out and provides a lot less value over the course of a match.

It’s easier to convince people to change their minds when you acknowledge their rationale though, and walk them to a better path

[void compass]

And if you miss a boss there goes 25% of epic hunters value

[dry bane]

and have your zarbon kill the enemy team on top

[void compass]

^

[void compass]

Yknow it only activates when the boss is at 50%

[dry bane]

if you start the boss without securing the objective you are gambling and this is not a rush attack issue, if they are there to rush attack the boss they be better kill you at this point

[void compass]

as in any enemy could come steal this as well %

Epic hunter is throwing

Not just sub optimal

[dry bane]

is like trying to steal a Baron 1v5 in lol just because maybe you can, but 99% of the time is baron lost and a kill on top for them

[void compass]

Chogath

[dry bane]

unless you are a 14k hp fed chogat ye ahahah

like every frieza i face when playing Kale that put zarbon on Kaio before zoning me, they are just helping me doing the initial damage for my S3 S1 combo

[lavish echo]

If a second of prep time matters, then a second of engage time also matters.

Epic does one niche thing effectively, but it is effective within that niche. I think that better play is a more effective way to accomplish that task, but

The peanut gallery that insists on calling everything “throwing” just makes misguided people more stubborn

I think Reddit is full of bad takes but I think Discord is full of bad responses

[dry bane]

you can take a boss, you sacrifice 2 minutes of gameplay between objectives to do something you already excel better, at that point just put dodoria on chokepoint/on top of the boss and rush attack is solved, energy damage is already 0

still, throwing

[lavish echo]

🧂

[void compass]

Its not even effective

You have to get them to half hp first

[lavish echo]

This is why you’re having a hard time pushing your guide 🤷🏿‍♂️

You’re not wrong, just unpleasant

[dry bane]

is not salt, is that you can't really face the truth

[void compass]

Its literally useless for half the boss fight

[dry bane]

i don't care for the guide, i still climb faster than you i guess

[lavish echo]

Unless you’re top 20 global (you likely are?) I dunno

[dry bane]

i guess Jak'Sho Vaynes are suboptimal because it could be 1 more ad items

[lavish echo]

Have a good one, enjoy your echo chamber

[dry bane]

same thing

[dry bane]

i'm at 7500 points, near 3k on tech

[lavish echo]

Are you top 20 global?

[dry bane]

are you top 1000?

[lavish echo]

Yes. Are you top 20 global?

[dry bane]

keep doing Epic, i'd be glad to face you and get my points

[lavish echo]

Have a nice day Mitz

[dry bane]

They should call this channel Entitled E rank Squadra ahaha

[void compass]

Fr this isnt even a question

I read the card again it only lasts 4 seconds

Which would seem like a lot until you get pushed off the boss by the enemy team and now once again the card is useless

[dry bane]

they are all challengers and if you are not some sweaty 10k boy playing premade into soloqs you are a noone

[void compass]

Fr

Even if you asked any of the 10k premade players theyd tell you epic hunter is throwing

[dry bane]

10k premades are too many, means 9980 are bad players and not in top 20

[dry bane]

even here i see blocked messaged, better get permabanned from discord 🙂 time for the basement

[lavish echo]

I gathered he likes being abrasive 😆 we all need a space to be ourselves, no matter how small that is, he’s welcome to it

[stone zodiac]

Epic hunter is trolling... you don't even get it first boss and lose barrier which is troll.

[dry bane]

He really has no other memory in life that the only game i tried vegeta in soloq 🤣 he still plays in C rank, but i guess even steak, that Is also SS, is smoking copium

He literally gets money for saying that Epic Hunter is good

Id rather say pick it so i can easier time climbing spreading misinformation, getting 4 solid vs 4 solid everygame Is actually getting borin and changes the game way too much. Ngl id remove It or nerf It to be 50% damage reduction

Still, take whatever you want, nobody gives a f but offblivion

I'm at work, i definitely don't spend my life here 😘

Even tho my work allows me to get discord on my 4th monitor i guess

Also, i don't recall you beeing above A rank, i don't recall you soloquing, nor saying anything above 30iq once in any Channel, you sounded like a kiddo with the Need for hugs every time, nor we played more than once probably

Now i can block you again, i Red a single message of you and Is like every single message you type, you can keep wasting your time bragging for attention

I don't care, i like strangers to pick backstab and Prepare to die on frieza

His Reading comprehention about beeing blocked Is next level 🤣

[smoky fog]

barrier is good in everyone basically

only tanks i don't see much because of their enormous health and built in defense

but If you want to stay alive barrier is a must basically

[smoky fog]

vegeta is fun tho but he really needs giant slayer and pursuer to be a issue

other then that he is really like okay compared to the others

[smoky fog]

what happened

[dry bane]

Pursuer Is pretty bad tho

He Is salty as every day

[smoky fog]

for vegeta its quite good, he needs the damage from It

but like everyone else i wouldnt recommend as 3rd card

[dry bane]

Is flat damage so It doesnt give bonus armor nor boost to his spells

[smoky fog]

he kinda needs the flat damage, i cant really see myself using lbj on him or something like that

defensive step is probably better

tbh

[dry bane]

Or GA in stack

[slender zodiac]

I use it on SS Goku cause I dont feel like I need LBJ to get out cause he has so many escape tools

[smoky fog]

ss goku i prefer backstab

piccolo, ssj goku, ssj3 maybe trunks backstab is like really good

[slender zodiac]

I usually lead my confrontations with Meteor Hammer, so idk how useful it would be for me since the CD is already so short

[smoky fog]

more value because of the cooldown shortened

[clear forge]

Got to S with Frieza

[void compass]

The frieza force welcomes you

[feral shard]

I've been winning so many games with Freeza recently...

Supernova OP, needs nerf... but I will use it while I can haha

[dry bane]

I wouldn't call it OP is mostly a skillcheck, but ye if you are at 11 faster than the enemy that's gamechanging for the cd it has

[feral shard]

I love to Supernova when the opposing team has 3 guys trying to take my tower

[dry bane]

i love it because is free max burst every time with no drawback of missing it on the next boss ahahah

[hard kestrel]

Frieza is just insane at defending

[serene charm]

He is OP. Literall got 10 kills and no deaths in my match

[dry bane]

the real issue is that a single skill will mostly oneshot your puppets and you can't defend anymore with 30s cd, he is strong early but needs huge brainpower the more the game goes

[dense torrent]

I need to know what is the counter play for zarbon on super start? i play krillin and he just deletes my traps and kills me way too fast like im actually unable to play i need help

[dry bane]

every spell

Zarbon doesn't scale hps with skill level but with Frieza level, so maxed zarbon has like... 10 hps

[stone zodiac]

Just rush him

[dry bane]

tbh super start frieza is his worse start

[dense torrent]

thank you lmao ive had like 3 super starts in a row and have only fought frieza and its been terrible

[limpid stump]

💯

[dry bane]

a max start krillin bomb should be enough, you know he is gonna place zarbon on kaio so you should run around

[stone zodiac]

Super start playing as frieza is bad. Your minions get one shot by one mistake lol

Gotta be paying attention

[glossy lodge]

Its great for sneaking bosses since he melts them in seconds

[dry bane]

you still... melt them regardless?

[stone zodiac]

Ye lol

[glossy lodge]

No sht

I meant its faster than usual

[dry bane]

but same issue, they can just him them once and you can't even work with fast retreats anymroe

[glossy lodge]

Super start should really just be deleted from the cards

Some characters get too stupid

Because of the size of the skills

[dry bane]

divine draws shold be not available in general in ranked mode

every single one of them is some sort of advantage for who is already ahead

[glossy lodge]

The heals and golden cell jr are fine imo

Golden makes another objective which makes early game more active

[dry bane]

bruh on cell jr beein fine you are definitely on crack, and heals are not, if you are ahead you can just zone the enemy and perma heal, and fight wher ethey overextend badly and magically 1 hp to full cuz raviolis are not fun, especially at level 3

then you break a wall and no heals gg

the objective is too strong, and is not spawning equally. IF cells spawned between your towers, so safe from the enemy, in equal measure too ok that's balanced because i can share or fully give to someone

if i get first kaio and cell spawns in my side you can close the game and go next guaranteed

[feral shard]

it can be like that, yeah. you can get lots of kills towards the end of game... if you survive that long haha

[feral shard]

yes. I used to place both minions to defend the tower, until I started to get Spirit Bomb in the face and lose them both. now I place Zarbon and hold Dodoria

[dry bane]

you can click them back the moment you see a spirit bomb tho and replace zarbon 2 seconds later

[feral shard]

well yeah, that's a good point

[olive sundial]

I finally unlocked Frieza, teach me your secrets senpais

[glossy lodge]

Level up zarbon then dodoria

Play pve

Farm, melt bosses as soon as they spawb

Try to score as much as possible

Get the jako card to kill bosses faster if needed

You can change it later for shell

You succeeded in getting 3 bosses then the other team should be giving up

If they dont and it goes late game decide whether you want to defend or snipe their bases

You could technically do both by leaving zarbon and dodoria then just trying to score with ult and s3

Though scoring with ult in late game is hard

Sometimes i just ult the place and try to score with s3

Then leave

[feral shard]

I have succeeded more by defending towers rather than trying to take them

[olive sundial]

Tried It a few times , getting the gist of soloing objetives fast and such. But not much success taking/defending towers.

[dry bane]

tbh the more you play him the least you do towers, you have so many things to do/steal that finding the time to get an open tower is not so easy, unless is the only wincon at that point

[feral shard]

do you normally keep switching lanes? I normally do that towards the end, to help defend, but not early in the game

but I have started harassing the other lane a bit with Zarbon for a 2.5 vs 2

[dry bane]

you can turbo farm, there are objectives to do, you can place zarbon back to farm T1 minions and make a kaio respawn and you still have a VERY STRONG rotation on extended enemies, meaning you can easily turn things like SSJ3 goku (obviously not as good)

i mean Frieza dishes out stupid damage, even putting Zarbon behind enemy path to close the escape is very strong

[feral shard]

I tend to put Zarbon facing forward, go around the walls, and put Dodoria facing backwards, to push fleeing enemies back into the line of fire. at Low-B Rank, this works quite well

[dry bane]

ye i mean if you make it face forward it means they already spotted you , what i mean is like if they are on my bot tower and they are going to escape, i'll put zarbon between the walls facing the tower, while i run around and gank from below, they are now forced to go between walls and will be hit 100%

or you can make him face upwards while beeing below bot wall covering the mid part of the map, is most about creativity

[feral shard]

what's the thing with Max Dodoria dealing extra damage with walls? is he best used when he's pushing enemies against a wall?

[dry bane]

i don't really know about that nor i'll use it to do extra damage on walls even if he did

he is mostly the "disabling" part of your kit, he just exists to make zarbon better and as your "dash" ability

[olive sundial]

what do you recomend for early leveling?

Opinions on metallic to open wall so Zarbon get more range?

[remote tangle]

Metallic is a attacker helper

[olive sundial]

I meant in duo obv

[remote tangle]

Then yes since he has super low cooldown it's worth it Idk about in a non-meat bun game tho

[sweet hatch]

start of match zarbon+command the kai is very funny

[vast blaze]

Defend gods with Frieza

And sometimes rush to the mini bosses and try to kill them

[winged bough]

Do this all the time.,.. you should be the first one there

[vast blaze]

And I'm usually the only one there for some reason

[rancid arrow]

The grass hides zarbon?

[dry bane]

i didn't even know this so glad to point out, must use the custom mode more. But i guess it gets spotted once he starts shooting, like if you have clouds near A16 and you set him in there

[feral shard]

certainly gets spotted after shooting

Piccolo gets spotted while charging his Ult, for example

so you cannot just cast it from the shadows

[dry bane]

ye is more like i always guessed if they coudl see him when i set up preemptively

[viscid jungle]

tower rat build for frieza is gerkishin, barrier adn jumo right?

[dry bane]

mostly any game you go Gekishin Barrier and jump, even if you don't rat

barrier is too necessary on him, and the rest is kinda buggy on his kit, and if you burst without gekishin you are a minion for 30s so

[sterile chasm]

Just started playing Frieza and I love his playstyle he's so cool he's such a rat

Hit n Run and a G.O.D. killer

What cards do yall recommend with him?

[dry bane]

Is the comment above 🤣 🤣 🤣🤣🤣

[sterile chasm]

Ok cool that's what I been running

[high shoal]

I'm having lots of success with him in high B, about to Rank A

First card I take sbowball if I notice that the enemy lane is not good, but I usualmy change it for Gekishin High later

Second one is always Barrier for me. I feel that the card is generally the best for.everyone in tier 2

And third Instant Transmission to steal GOD

[sterile chasm]

Yup I see the vision

I'm gonna keep doing Gekishin High for my first card for now

[dry bane]

indeed, if you are solo you really need gekishin or you have 30s cd after every burst, and every second lost with no zarbon is very bad. But in teams if your team can do the tower snowball is pretty nice. There are times where GH is still better for the sole fact you have 20s cd on ultimate on max burst, which happens a lot in voice chat

[high shoal]

In B a lot of people are dumb enough to stay in zarbons range, I mainly take snowball when skill 1 is buffed or with super start

Frieza is smust pick for me if Im playing tech with skill 1 buff

[sterile chasm]

Super Start for Frieza is a FEAST

Level 3 Zarbon + Decree is yummy yummy

[stiff ginkgo]

what should i do in situations where we have only a few gods left but there's opportunities to go get enemy gods

[remote tangle]

Place turrets at base and damage with decree or ult, only if you're confident you can do decent damage or not die tho

[smoky fog]

id probably place dodoria at the base and rush tower with zarbon

[tired dagger]

nerf this character

[remote tangle]

He doesn't really needs nerfs due to how easily you can counter him

He's like cell in that if you bully him in early game he's can't do anything but if you let him power up he becomes a nightmare

[feral shard]

had a Freeza protecting the enemy tower yesterday while I as playing Piccolo. nothing more satisfying that sniping Freeza, Dodoria AND Zarbon with a fully charged Piccolo Ult from outside his view range 😄

[wispy pike]

good divine card combo for frieza?

[stark elk]

Disagree, use his movement and position them properly ai feel like in high rank he's OP specially if you go for obj flanks annoying really

[teal folio]

yeah what are some good divine cards

for frieza

[dry bane]

Gekishin High, solid barrier and lbj.
Red cards are bad in general on him, most are also bugged.
Playing without solid barrier on him is pure trolling.
You can go snowball tho in team. The better you get with a team, the least you do towers, but still having max burst every 20s with GH is amazing

[feral shard]

Snow Ball works well even with assists. you don't have to be the one getting the kills

[dry bane]

ye they really need to buff Lightning Swift (even tho it won't be picked on frieza ever) and make snowball get stacks only with kills, the issue is if i have 4 stacks and i want to score on a tower, i'm a minion for 30+ seconds

and many times saying "guys i'm hitting max burst" is better than 24.8% damage increase, especially if you have 8 health bars and ult back for boss too

but if your team scores properly you can use zarbon to cover enemy tower area

[halcyon saddle]

When I play Frieza do I have to target the Saiyans first?

[dry bane]

is more like the sayans will target you first

[naive sierra]

Gekishin High?

last time i checked frieza isn't hit

i feel like even if you do go a 1st blue card you go strategical retreat or whatever its called

easier escapes with Frieza's passives

tho i just insta-lock snowball all the time

[dry bane]

Gekishin High on hit Is troll, you already have 5 cooldowns to roll out before having cds. Gekishin High on a guy with 25s second cds on your kit Is massive reduction.
Any time you burst with him you loose too much time to steal farm or run safely, 30 s of missing zarbon Is a huge price to pay

Especially because every card but lbj Is kinda bad on him as 3rd One, you also don't really Need strategic. But that Is still and option

[halcyon saddle]

Are there any YouTubers who have Frieza tips

I just got to A4 with Frieza and I started losing so I need some advanced tips

[glossy lodge]

Unironically play PvE

Focus on exp, focus on getting the bosses asap, then defend

Maybe try to sneak some points while leaving dodoria defending

[remote tangle]

Tbh I think snowball works on him mainly due to the fact that you get way less value having 2 blue cards than you do for having 1. Having 1 blue card give 5% less cooldown and having 2 only adds 3% where as with something like damage it increases by the same or even better amounts the more of that card you have

[dry bane]

no way i even consider any 5% bonus. Such a fraction of nothing vs meta cards

[remote tangle]

Fair, it only really matters on high cooldown heroes like frieza or baby

Geki high really isn't good in high ranks tho as ratting with frieza becomes near impossible

[feral shard]

I'm currently going for Build-up, Giant Slayer and that Dash Tank card (forgot name). allows for good survivability and damage

[naive sierra]

instead of build up go snowball and instead of giant slayer go solid barrier

solid barrier prevents you from being deleted by random ssj3 kames and what not

and since you're frieza you arent at the frontlines

so you dont have that barrier broken a lot

just enough for you to buff yourself with skill 3 and get out with the passive

especially if you have secured 16

[feral shard]

I will try that, thank you!! I sometimes go Snowball when I feel that the game is going well

[feral shard]

I like go go Bottom Lane more often than not... even as Freeza

[naive sierra]

dude

Throwza

dont do that with any tech

[feral shard]

why is that? honest question

[naive sierra]

techs go top lane

always

tanks go bottom lane

[feral shard]

okay, but WHY?

[glossy lodge]

actually

thats a good question

is there a single reason why techs cant go down and tanks up

other than lane sizes

i dont feel like thats relevant enough

i play mobas

i play dota actually

while the carry is often on the safelane

sometimes

SOMETIMES

like rarely

they can be on top, the offlane

[dry bane]

I don't think One could find any worse way to play frieza 🤣

[naive sierra]

Giant slayer with level 3 Zarbon + Skill 3 buff can be scary i cant lie

i havent tried it yet

i always go solid barrier to not get deleted by gokus

or epic hunter to secure bosses

[feral shard]

Can't be that bad. I'm still winning with MVP at B2

Other than lane sizes, what's the deal?

[halcyon saddle]

Plus zarbon will do a lot of damage

[dry bane]

B2 you can do mvp with buu, you can win games in s with no cards, you can win games in lol with AD sona, doesnt meant It Is good

[dry bane]

big essay that noone will read:

1. Epic hunter is troll time 19128469127. It is very buggy on Frieza, most of the time procs ONLY on a single Zarbon hit, basically nullifying the utility entirely. You shouldn't gamble bosses in the first place, you can take farmer to do bosses twice as fast than taking Epic Hunter, you shouldnt' start boss in the middle of a team fight over it. You still barely have time to charge you ultimate, no reason to do it faster with an ult that prevents energy damage.

2. Solid barrier is BY FAR the best card in the game, to the point i hope they nerf it before nerfing SSJ3. Going green>red instead of anything>solid barrier is both a waste in dps and in survivability. 13% damage reduction by 10 stack build up is useless on a character with no hps, on top of snowball and gekishin high beeing by far more efficient and stat bloated on Frieza. Even strategic escape is broken (yes it is, if you want to watch abe card tier list he will say the same things i do). Strategic escape is a better damage reduction tool than build up for the sole reason you can properly escape, if they get you with build up and a stagger you are dead.

3. giant Slayer is situational, doesn't do damage on bosses or npcs, and your damage is high enough to kill anyone already. On top of you not always wanting to be the first engagin on an enemy... this means you 90% of the time add your contribution to your team engage. If they already engaged, is easy for the enemy to be below 80% already.

4. Solid barrier is broken, again, 75% damage reduction on EVERYTHING for 2 seconds on a champion that doesn't go melee. you should have this bs up every single time. So, even better.

5. GH or snowball is debatable, snowball is a 24.8% increase on every single damage on you and vs everything, and stacks with assists. But if you burst without GH you are a minion for 25+ seconds, meaning much less farm. Max burst on 22s is broken, depends on your skills to abuse it

[naive sierra]

epic hunter supernova

i have zarbon get the boss til half health

and supernova

[dry bane]

6. remember, you have laning phase in the middle of every objective, so again, Epic hunter is bugged on Frieza + doesn't serve a single purpose in lane. A Frieza in lane with solid vs a Frieza in lane with Epic hunter is a completely different approach on how you can disrespect your enemy. Also, Solid barriers means i get no damage and you have cooldowns on your skills, which is kinda... massive?

supernova don't need more damage

[naive sierra]

its more likely to steal the boss like that tho

[dry bane]

its not, you are still gambling

[naive sierra]

whoever got the last hit gets the boss

[dry bane]

you take 3 seconds to solo a boss

[naive sierra]

im talking like

if the enemy team is already on the boss

[dry bane]

if you try to steal with an already "stealing" ultimate that completely negates enemy energy damage, its a niche into a niche situation

thats your issue

[naive sierra]

and you use supernova like how goku throw spirit bombs

[dry bane]

you need to zone before it or start when it is safe

is like the dumb clowns that ping the jungler to try to steal a 1v5 Baron lol

[dry bane]

again, what???

supernova completely negates spirit bomb

AGAIN, you don'ìt need more damage if the spirit bomb does 0

[naive sierra]

im trying to describe a situation

[dry bane]

i'm trying to say, again

[naive sierra]

when the enemy team has pushed you away from the boss

[dry bane]

you don't gamble objectives, nor spirit bomb does damage

you better have solid barrier

so yo ucan fully charge an ult in their face instead of beeing scared to be hit once

[naive sierra]

i usually do

[dry bane]

if the objective is 99% gone i'll be taking towers or farm more

ye that's a bad habit

the only time it works is that you are abusing worse players than you on the other side, like S gokus using spirit bombs at 100%

or people hitting the boss after 40% while their spirit bomb is going to the boss, just to allow me to steal it in the meantime

again, read supernova description better

[feral shard]

hey, bear in mind I am playing at my own level, not smurf account

[grand oasis]

How exactly do you time the supernova? Is the energy cancellation during the ult? Or after

[dry bane]

during, during and after is just the damage down effect, so you have those ~2s where your ult is on top of the boss. The actual fireball has to be on the boss. If it moves away, it won't block

[grand oasis]

You’re the goat

[cosmic wolf]

How do you force carbon to target what you want him to

Zarbon

[remote tangle]

Rush attack your target

[celest solar]

I didn't know this for the longest time, but zarbon has an arc of fire. When placing him, hold done the skill button to see his arc of fire. He will only attack targets within his arc of fire

[glossy lodge]

yeah i tried other techs

only Frieza can just play pve and win

buu is too dependant on your teammate having a brain

frieza doesnt require anyone else until ribrianne/jaco

[glossy lodge]

holy fk

uub and dabura dps duo

why not pick baby while youre at it so we get the auto lose team

[balmy plinth]

What divine cards do you guys recommend?

[glossy lodge]

I usually go with roshi, solid barrier and limit breaking jump

Im really not sure which blue card is good

Used to go for the spark one

But in S rank im unable to use my ult for that

[glossy lodge]

bro delete uub bojack and daimaku from the game or buff them

[remote tangle]

"buff daimaku" said literally only you. Seriously I don't think I've ever heard that statement in season 1, The #1 ranked player is a daimaku main...

[glossy lodge]

and he probably would do a lot better with other characters whats your point

is he really good at the game because of his skill or hes good because he uses daimaku?

[remote tangle]

Well I don't think he'd have as high of a win rate if he used bojack daimaku is A tier so the only DPS that's wildly better than him is 3ku any other dps would be around the same on a level as him

[glossy lodge]

A tier according to himself im going to assume

you also underestimate how easy its to dominate a game by yourself by simply ebing a lot better than the other team

[glossy lodge]

unless the tier list is being real generous in the "well at least hes better than the autolose dps"

[remote tangle]

A majority of tier lists I see put him in A tier he's a common high rank pick for DPS he's just a very hard character to learn

[glossy lodge]

so he does worse than characters that are simpler to use and stronger than he is

plus not having an edge niche like piccolo

making him worse than the gokeks, kale piccolo

[remote tangle]

Yeah but not many DPS are stronger than him

[remote tangle]

He's probably better than kale

[glossy lodge]

i dont think so

she does a lot more damage

lower cooldowns

and while her combo isnt free to land

its not hard either by how big the aoe is

shes squishy yes but the threat of her shotgun combo and ult keeps people second guessing

plus she gets two stuns for free in ult

[remote tangle]

Her cooldowns are longer at least for skill 1 which in both her and daimaku do most damage with daimaku can double bomb if you have backstab which can be real annoying

[glossy lodge]

being ranged and having a huge range on her skills allows her to position herself in good spots way easier than daimaku whos melee

piccolo having stupid damage on his snipes gives him an edge in bossfights

and we already know the gokeks are better

so thats 4 dps better than him

while hes better than the "might as well sit this one out" dps

putting him middle of the road

[remote tangle]

You mean goku?

[glossy lodge]

who else

[remote tangle]

It kinda looked like gotenks

[glossy lodge]

why would i mention tech while discussing dps

tf

well we are in a tech channel thats frieza

[remote tangle]

Idk some ppl use gotenks as DPS

[glossy lodge]

because he is pretty much dps

hell id put him above daimaku too

toppo too

so thats the gokeks, kale, piccolo, toppo, bonus gotenks

[verbal karma]

Dodoria hold the line!
#✨game-moments message

[celest solar]

How does ratting work with freeza's high cooldown moves? Do you just forgo all minion deployment and run in to backdoor with all 3 specials? Or just dordoria to defend?

[remote tangle]

Ratting withing anyone other than hit at S rank is a bad idea but if you are in earlier ranks then you will typically place zarbon and dadoria to stop the enemy from attacking you and do damage with decree/ult

[celest solar]

Got it thanks!

I'm still at A rank, so i guess i can still rat a bit🤣

[paper geyser]

S rank match freiza very hard

I cant do much with zarboon with how i need to set him up

[celest solar]

At A rank already playing lots of opponents who immediately head straight for zarbon's blind zone.

Besides using dodoria to cover zarbon's blind zone and being conscious enough to withdraw zarbon once he's being hit hard from his blind zones, does anyone have any advice?

I heard soneone describe Frieza as a 'skill check" character. Really hope he can be more than that, and that he has solid counter play for opponents who counter standard zarbon deployments

[remote tangle]

Well one thing you can do is place him in a bush/cloud as that makes him invisible when he's not firing, same for dadoria. Also one way to get kills with him is to place him while a teammate is fighting your target so you can overwhelm the target and often kill them

[glossy coral]

Does freeza getting final form cause he is to hard to play in first form 😭

[feral shard]

This is the character. Freeza 4th Form may be a new character in the future

Just like we have 2 Gokus

[pseudo beacon]

i just thought about it

does frieza get any punishment for letting zarbon or dodoria die or do they just tp back to him

[remote tangle]

Longer cd

[pseudo beacon]

ah ok

[paper geyser]

20 sec cd

[paper geyser]

no one talks about new nerf?

nerf:
Skill 1: Show Them, Zarbon!
・Shortened cooldown via canceling Skill through reinput increased: 4 → 6s
fixes:
■Frieza (First Form)

Skill 1: Show Them, Zarbon!
Skill 2: Crush Them, Dodoria!
・Fixed an issue where, while directing Zarbon or Dodoria, if an additional input was performed while the cooldown of Skill 1 or 2 was set to 0 as a result of Sparkly Stardust, Zarbon/Dodoria would move to an unintended location.

i don't get fixes ngl

[remote tangle]

Doesn't really change anything

[paper geyser]

what frieza fix do?

[remote tangle]

Not anything I would worry about sounds like a minor bug fix the placement with them can be janky at times

[feral shard]

so Freeza nerf really just changes Zarbon's cooldown. it's annoying but it could have been a lot worse haha

[paper geyser]

what frieza playstyle and card nowadays

zarbon 6 sec CD really hurts

[paper geyser]

it hurts quite alot

does anyone know if S3 upgrade do anything

i feel like i could use dodoria bigger AOE

[glacial prism]

Does anyone know if or why they removed friezas ledgendary start emote where he blows stuff up upon entry or is it just my game?

[paper geyser]

i don't see any too

[feral shard]

S3 boosts your movement speed and attack speed of minions

[dry bane]

No is just aoe size, no increases effect

[glacial prism]

Turns out I probably didn't unlock it. But I could have sworn I did. My friend has it on his account. So they must get removed after a bit if you don't unlock it

[rapid cedar]

Dude takes no skill to use at all

[steep fulcrum]

You'll soon come to a point where an enemy gives you no skill to use at all

[remote tangle]

I feel like frieza is just so OP at low ranks. Soloing bosses with him has carried me to B1 in tech

[winged bough]

Low ranks nobody knows how to deal with him. You have to focus frieza minions before anything else

[pseudo beacon]

they should change frieza by making it so that killing dodoria or zaborn gives exp

because it hink itd be really funny

[pine venture]

So, since upgrading s3 doesn’t improve it’s effects beyond radius and dodorias gains are minimal past level 1, leveling skill order seems to be

1-3 (doubles zarbons attack speed)-2-super-1-skip-Max 1 and super 2nd point - whatever you want - max super at 11

[remote tangle]

Nah zarbon's to weak for that

[pseudo beacon]

itd be funny though

[devout musk]

Hey does zarbon gain the effects of gaint slayer?

[winged bough]

Yes

[feral shard]

does Freeza benefit from Backstab?

[steep fulcrum]

He does benefit but wouldn't recommend it

[feral shard]

mmm

Pursuer?!

[remote tangle]

No just use lbj

[feral shard]

🥲

[devout musk]

Maybe tbh

But I use ltg mostly to escape aoe

Late game you can survive most stuff

But the aoe spam needs extra mobility

[little badge]

dont see much point in using defense cards for him. I just go snowball, epic hunter, and the last card is usually situational

[gloomy pollen]

Like?

[remote tangle]

What are you asking?

[gloomy pollen]

Dude said last card is situational

Was wondering what he meant exactly

[remote tangle]

Epic hunter really isn't great

[gloomy pollen]

Soo what do you suggest?

[little badge]

i meant it just depends on what i need atm

sometimes limit breaking jump if i want the extra vanishijg step

sometimes pursuer for dmg

[little badge]

you can probably change it with more dmg cards but i think having that 4 second dmg boost can be pretty good when trying to get the boss in a team fight

[gloomy pollen]

Based on how frieza works i think pursuer is better

[little badge]

and it usually does yea. just when im having a hard time escaping in battle or having issues defending cuz of enemy moves i might pick up lbj

[gloomy pollen]

Fair enough but i mean the fact that you can dash even when attack seems to make lbj unnecessary

Just saying

[little badge]

yea i get that

just for crowd control

moves

[viral veldt]

Hey, I tried out Freezerburn and I think I like the kit. Could soomeone help me by giving me a skill leveling order and suggestions for cards?

[gusty fulcrum]

I usually focus on s1

[woeful scroll]

s1 s3 for players and npc s2 s3 for bosses

[viral veldt]

Excellent, thank you. Any sugestions for cards?

[woeful scroll]

uhhh frieza is weird but id def suggest epic hunter and limit breaking jump as for the 1st idk

[stone zodiac]

Prio S4 S1 S3 S2. Cards Gekishin high, Solid Barrier, LBJ.

[viral veldt]

Thank you

[stone zodiac]

Epic hunter is troll. You get bosses as Frieza because of hitting your ult correctly and Solid Barrier helps you not get one shot.

[woeful scroll]

dude epic hunter makes you kill bosses in 5 seconds fym troll

[stone zodiac]

So you kill bosses in 5 seconds vs 6 seconds? Big advantage. Vs people with brains they will be at the boss and going without barrier is troll trying to contest.

[woeful scroll]

kinda is a big advantage it minimizes the window for the enemies to steal the kill plus he can change his card later i always use epic hunter on frieza and that puts WORK

[stone zodiac]

His ultimate already blocks all energy damage

[woeful scroll]

who uses his slow ahh ult

you use dodoria for bosses

[stone zodiac]

You good bro?

[viral veldt]

This discussion is good for me trying to learn

[gusty fulcrum]

Can you explain this ult part?

Apart from charging and aiming ult on the of meter. Is there something else too

[stone zodiac]

Max charge ult blocks all energy dmg

[gusty fulcrum]

On the enemy boss?

I thought it's the same as cell ult

Protects only allies

[cinder pagoda]

Might be in the wrong spot to post this, but i think it would've been hilarious to see Zarbon and Dodoria wearing the santa hats along with Frieza

[serene charm]

Thjs

[serene charm]

Snowball or build up, anything else is up to your choice

[serene charm]

Same with Bojack and his mimions

[gloomy pollen]

What are his best divine combo cards again?

[serene charm]

Depends on the teammate and playstyle.

Do you want to focus on attacking G.o.D. ? Go for Gekishin high

is enemy too good? Get build up

Do you want to shred enemies with Zarbon?

Get Snowball

[gloomy pollen]

Damn tough choices

[serene charm]

It really depends on how good/bad your and enemy team is

[gloomy pollen]

Ah

[serene charm]

yes you can literally 4v1 with Zarbon

but if your team is useless

then go defensively

with limit breaking jump as third card

[gloomy pollen]

I see

What about the second card?

[serene charm]

classic if going with snowball then barrier, otherwise prepare to die

[gloomy pollen]

Ah

[serene charm]

and be sure to get skill 1, then skill 3, then skill 1 upgrade 2 when level 4.

[gloomy pollen]

What's wrong with dodoria?

[serene charm]

for me dodoria is just a distruber, while zarbon literally spams his attacks, shredding enemy.

[gloomy pollen]

Fair enough

[serene charm]

dodoria just protects zarbon from being yeeted

basically max zarbon

I got so many MVPs with him

[gloomy pollen]

I know that

Didn't knew the dodoria part

[serene charm]

Again we get the training guards

[pseudo beacon]

give them elf hats

[gloomy pollen]

Man bro

Frieza still destroys

[celest dirge]

I just had a game against the most infuriating frieza. Bro was just zooming across the entire map, barely participating in any fights. Just distracting players as he passed by and flanking the gods when available. Wish I knew what cards they used. They were the fastest i've ever seen anyone travel

[feral shard]

probably Lvl 1 blue card

also, Freeza gets speed boost passive when flying

and his S3 boosts movement speed even further

[feral shard]

in saying that out loud, you can probably go back in your Battle History, check DETAILS, and you can see exactly which cards he was running

[balmy plinth]

Oh wow that sounds so annoying but it sounds fun for Frieza just zooming through the entire map

[celest dirge]

it seems he went Strategic Escape, Art of Decoy, Limit Breaking Jump

[feral shard]

sounds about right. full blue cards. this will also give him an okay cooldown reduction to skills. perfect for harassment

[feral shard]

what Rank was this at? out of curiosity

[celest dirge]

I only just started playing recently, so lower D

the shift from the bot games into real players is wild. Most times, players play like they dont know whats happening. And a few times, you come across people that clearly know exactly what they are doing and clean house. Usually in the other team

there was another game I played recently that had a Hit player

for a lower rank game, his strategy of hiding with invisible man and attacking GoD was insane and frustrating to fight against

he could charge his attack against the GoD while still being invisible, I wasnt aware of that going in.

so many little things like that I still need to learn

[feral shard]

not demeaning or anything. literally asking out of curiosity. I wonder if something like this would work on higher ranks too

there is always a possibility he didn't even manually select his cards...

[feral shard]

yeah, Hit is annoying. he's probably the most lore-accurate character in the game

[feral shard]

@mellow dune have you ever tried stuff like this?

[autumn oriole]

Is Frieza better to be a rat for Towers? Using Snowball for damage since I'm worried to get interrupted cuz of the skill CD

I only went for bosses and hope my teammates went for the GoD instead of me but idk

[celest dirge]

the one time I played him, I did the most damage to champions in the game

but again, D rank games are a coin toss

either bots or smurfs

lmao

[autumn oriole]

[charred pelican]

Still should've gave Frieza his iconic form

[viral veldt]

Nah, it's nice to split things up for multiple chars

[pale abyss]

Just started using Frieza. He's fun af.

[turbid sail]

I’m a new Frieza player, what cards do I go? I use Gekishin High, Barrier, and Limit Breaking Jump but I feel so squishy and I wasn’t really able to take any towers.

[remote tangle]

Run buildup

[turbid sail]

I just used snowball and it was pretty fun. I’ll try build up next match and see which I like more. Thank you for the help!

[pale abyss]

Escape, Boss DMG, and BS is what I use.

I also play like a rat and boss nuke. I let the other 3 run wild

[viral veldt]

Snowball/Solid Barrier/Limit-Breaking Jump is my preferred

[crude frost]

i go for build up/giant slayer/limit breaking jump

[turbid sail]

I used this build and had success. The snowball ball build is super fun too!