Build 42 Unstable Out Now

[sturdy sequoia]

I've seen the recipe for reinforcing bats and stuff with tin cans, is the sheet metal bat that same one or a different one? my main struggle with all these crafted weapons is finding the recipe magazines or the numerous little tools you need for so many of them

[mossy tangle]

Yeah its a different one - I found the recipe in a survivor house and it was 'Schematic: Sheet Metal Reinforce" or something. I know you get the can one automatically at 5 carpentry 5 long blunt, I assume this one is the same too but maybe takes welding?

[sturdy sequoia]

ooh okay that's very cool, I'm at 4 long blunt 3 carpentry so far so that shouldn't take too long to get to. thanks!

in my current save the most recent thing I did was drive over to March ridge to loot the post office since I heard they're the new bookstores in terms of finding reliable sources of skill books, and I did find a bunch as well as some recipe magazines. I also found several survivor zombies and none of them had any magazines so I guess my rng is just bad but all I got from them is food, a better bag, weapons, and some protective gear

everyone says survivor zombies are the best source of magazines but it just hasn't been working out for me so far

[vague trench]

noo i accidently filled my soda with water and i cant unmix lol

[sturdy sequoia]

✨ automatic stay awake forever juice discovered ✨

[vague trench]

😆

[lethal wolf]

apprentice colamancer

[forest shore]

Poking at the code - in vanillla it requires level 6 carpentry and 5 blunt to autolearn.

[sturdy sequoia]

damb okay so it'll be a little longer, that's okay

[forest shore]

I did make a mod that lowers the autolearn requirements by quite a bit.

[sturdy sequoia]

I use a mod that gives a recipe for crafting baseball bats, I gotta level carpentry and carving to improve their condition and then I'll have a reliable source of super easy to make long blunt weapons

[forest shore]

Ooo that's good.

[mossy tangle]

Is that can bat or the sheet metal bat?

[forest shore]

Sheet metal

[mossy tangle]

Oh thats awesome to know thanks I was worried i'd never find it again if I die haha

[forest shore]

'can reinforce' is autolearned at 5 and 5 woodwork and blunt.

Any recipe you can find you can autolearn at higher levels. So don't stress too much about finding certain recipes.

[lethal wolf]

any blunt or just long blunt

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah I can't wait to try out all the various ways to mod bats with barbed wire, nails, tin cans, circular saw, etc

[forest shore]

Depends. The sheet metal recipe is only available in long blunt. But can reinforce can be learned for both short and long blunt weapons - and they each require their respective skill.

[meager geyser]

If you put a saw onto a bat it turns into an axe

[mossy tangle]

Funny enough I've looted almost all of riverside and some other sources, and found tons of magazines including like 4 genny mags, and a full set of almost every skill book EXCEPT carpentry for which I only have V, and all I want to do is build my base but I feel dumb doing all that carpentry without a skill boost

[sturdy sequoia]

my other main weapon skill is axe so that works just fine for me lol

long blunt + axe is my current primaries

[meager geyser]

I found carpentry books in warehouses

[forest shore]

With all the stuff you can craft now - it isn't crazy hard to level carpentry quickly even without books. But I would find a VHS and get it to level 3 before touching anything - if you can. VHS learning is cappped at level 3 in default settings.

[mossy tangle]

Yeah I've got it at 3, and I searched the entire lectromax warehouse so far nothing there either haha ive never had trouble with it till now

[sturdy sequoia]

rip, that's why I've felt so softlocked too bc I usually don't level anything unless I have skillbooks bc it takes too long. I'd kill for a gen mag, I only just found electrical I and it'll take so long to get to 3 even if I do find the next book too

[forest shore]

For saw blade weapons you need 8 carpentry and 5 axe to autolearn btw.

[mossy tangle]

I found 3 in the lectromax vans outsite the factory!

[meager geyser]

Only 3?

[forest shore]

Literature spawns in general are seriously diluted - I tweaked loot settings for books specifically to be at normal vs rare.

[sturdy sequoia]

damn that'll take a while. I was hoping to get into knapping to make some stone axes, do you think those are viable?

[sturdy sequoia]

the one west of riverside? I'm living in rosewood so that's pretty far rn

[mossy tangle]

yes, i've also found 2 so far in random mailboxes so that might be lucky for you

I think the rng for my riverside is that everyone wanted to be a mechanic not a carpetner, I have found 3 full sets of mechanic books in houses lmao

[forest shore]

Stone axes are beast - even the crude stone axe made from sharp stone is pretty good. But they are heavy.

[sturdy sequoia]

oo I'll have to check more of those, I haven't cleared the residential parts of rosewood yet so that might be the way to go for me

[glacial cape]

Stone axes against trees are bugged atm so if you need logs I would abuse it

their durability still decreases from hitting zombies

[sturdy sequoia]

okie good to know, I'll have I'll see if the weight is worth it bc I'm always pushing it a bit already for carry weight

[native spear]

can I use an oven to purify tained water from a water dispener bottle? im scared its going to burn my house down

[forest shore]

I don't think that's a bug - it seems using tools for their intended purpose in general no longer breaks them.

My game is finally playable again after that chicken apocalypse lmfao

I also have way more bird byproducts than I know what to do with

[real fox]

Idk if anyone plays with % sprinters but

Has anyone notice that sprinters are sometimes mute….. not all but some of them don’t scream/have the special voice change they have now

[native spear]

does plastic burn in oven i guess is a better question

[lethal wolf]

blehhh long blade 1 doesnt work

the book, that is

[slim merlin]

I can’t wait for the procedurally generated wilderness

I love doing bushcraft in this game

[vague trench]

on my current save i walked from riverside to irvington the foliage and just overall scenery looks so good

[forest shore]

Yea it happens on occasion

[real fox]

IT SCARES THE FUCK OUT OF ME

idk if its a bug or intended, im really lazy to test this without mods and in sandbox rn

[worthy elbow]

Guys, has the way of connecting the collectors to the sink changed on B42? The option to install it doesn't appear.

[real fox]

plumbing is not in b42 yet

they removed it temporarily till a patch later down on the line re implements it

[worthy elbow]

Okay! TKS

[real fox]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392186516&searchtext=plumb theres also this mod

[worthy elbow]

tks!!!

[real fox]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3406674803 an alternative is this but it puts out bad water

[dusty zephyr]

why cheat lmao

[lethal wolf]

mods past 2 days have taken ages to download after subscribing to them...

[vague trench]

just big or something?

[lethal wolf]

nah, not really, Steam just doesn't download them or even start the download

now I just noticed Steam download complained about a "blocked file" and retrying the download helped

[forest shore]

Why do you say they're cheating?

I love looking at the depots and seeing the random names they have. I feel like the "whatevers" one was made when they were trying to fix a bug and got frustrated

[vague trench]

whatevers

i love the spy one

[formal mango]

"Need a new branch for X you can call it whatevers"

[woven beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/antiuribista-centro-democratico-ultra-derecha-alvaro-uribe-uribestias-gif-19000034

[late folio]

zomboib

[mossy tangle]

Has anyone farmed wheat? Does it actually only give you one wheat sheaf which you can get one seed from or use for flour?

[vague trench]

i havent tried farming wheat yet

if i find some ill trys

[versed dagger]

[vague trench]

lol

[heavy crown]

Funny bug-like thing: Exertion regenerates with the pose that you went with before sleeping.

If you click "Sleep" from a standing position, you regenerate stamina as if you were standing the entire time.
If you click "Sleep" after clicking "Rest" on the bed, you regenerate stamina as if you were resting

This is me waking up still exerted from doing this on a 0-fitness overweight character

[crisp scroll]

lol, ambulance on a roof 🤔

[vague trench]

LOL

can you still loot it lol

[crisp scroll]

gonna try to sledge my way toward it ig

cant access it unless i get on top somehow

[vague trench]

darn lol , would be funny if you could get in it and exit ontop of roof

[crisp scroll]

built some stairs and i can loot it LMAO

wonder what will happen if i drive it off

[vague trench]

LOL

lol double doggie dare you

[crisp scroll]

should have suspected

[vague trench]

its fine lmao

awh thats cool i havent seen one of those yet ! gotta go look for ambulances

[crisp scroll]

aaaaand successfully towed it back up. thats the end of the roof ambulance saga, ty for listening

[crisp scroll]

ah, first time seeing one of those as well :O

[vague trench]

lol good job

another satisfied customer

[crisp scroll]

just noticed that ambulance is also backwards LMAO

ECNALUBMA ❤️

[lethal wolf]

at long last, road to my island is complete, I can fix all my car parts for any loot trips pending...now to widen the bridges to fit a car, build some infrastructure to make it look bit better.

This also may finally be the beginning of a cluckapocalypse

I started with 3 hens, 1 cockerel and 1 chick. Now after over a month of keeping them, this

mmmm pigs also pregnant, and few of those chicks are male, guess its butchering leveling time eventually

[jaunty gyro]

Why would you be able to check for genes as a 90's farmer? 🤨

[hallow adder]

GMO was a thing back at least in 1993. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2045286.stm

Gotta make sure your chickens are organic.

[mossy tangle]

What kind of genes does the game actually consider? Like inbreeding?

[neat saffron]

Those damn liberals and their...
[ Spins wheel of fortune ]
... Lead free Gasoline!

[blazing coral]

isn't that so drivers can read it through the mirror?

[unkempt atlas]

Yes, just like that.

[frozen wyvern]

Huh... i cant believe ive never noticed that before

[crisp scroll]

oh is that true?

i literally have never noticed that lol, neat

[blazing coral]

this one has it

[crisp scroll]

very cool then!

i made a bug report so i’ll edit that part lol

[vague trench]

the more you know lol

[blazing coral]

I didn't notice that in-game also lol

[jade haven]

Can anyone tell me where the tile sprites are located in the game files? I want to get a name for the non-functional crafting stations.

[digital cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-molotov-throw-molotov-fire-gif-25704797

[vague trench]

if you light them on fire does it cook their meat

and no it doesnt but you coud light someones base on fire using a chicken!

[blazing coral]

it's the soviet dogs all over again

[forest shore]

Oh hey someone did it - they made a smokeable hemp mod lol

[opaque schooner]

Took them long enough

[forest shore]

I know it doesn't make sense technically (hemp doesn't contain enough THC to make you high) but it's still fun.

Can we make Lard in 42?

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

when can we crawl inside the chickenchest bunker

[lethal wolf]

Puppers is someone after my desires, I wanna live in an elevator shaft or similar rathole

[vague trench]

will they eat burritos?

[vague trench]

i want a trathole

[lethal wolf]

mmm a set of very narrow and mazey tunnels to get to your own rathole where you have less space than some closets

could almost see such a thing if Louisville got proper sewers added

[vague trench]

the forever stinker

get it cause its a chicken +ranch =chicken ranch

[sturdy sequoia]

you just need some bacon with it and you've got an iconic and delicious wrap

[dusty zephyr]

I hope in b42 of later devs expend the helicopter event more like we can see is shadow and have différent méta event like the mod

[forest shore]

I think canon is that it's a news chopper

[severe egret]

Fr the player needs some kind of feedback as to what the hell its doing. Where is it? Has it actually seen me? Is it following me down the road etc

[forest shore]

New challenge map idea you start in (spoilers) ||the room in the cave at the military base||

Totally didn't accidentally forget the last pipe

[vague trench]

whys a fire going here lol

[sturdy sequoia]

if I wanted to burn zombies just for the sake of realism or whatever, is there a safe way to do it? one that doesn't come with a massive risk of burning myself to death in seconds?

[granite tusk]

you should hang around in showcase posts they got in worse situations

[dusty zephyr]

I didnt see nothing différent legit ech time is coming no zed coming and like b41 stay inside is leaving and if you go out is following you

[hallow adder]

I don't think plants care about inbreeding.

Chickens don't care about inbreeding, right? They're just way too many.

[formal mango]

They do, this is why grafting is a thing

Well IRL at least

One of these days

[hallow adder]

Can we graft our own? 🥹

[formal mango]

I wish

[lilac sequoia]

is Carving Book 2 broken for anyone else?

[hallow adder]

How so?

[lilac sequoia]

Cannot be read despite having carving 3

[opaque schooner]

Are you sure you haven’t already read it

[hallow adder]

Report it as a bug on the official forum.

[frozen wyvern]

I think Carving 2 is accidentally defined to use the Carpentry skill, so yeah its a bug

[cyan wharf]

Answering in 3-5 business days lol

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-project-z-zomboid-zomb-dance-zomboid-gif-24670810

[hollow mica]

come ooooooooon do something pleaaaase

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

[cunning turtle]

What's the rush lmao

[fierce mountain]

Patience young one.

[eager burrow]

What is that font

[severe egret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-nothing-you-get-nothing-willy-wonka-funny-gif-14046859

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[frozen wyvern]

As someone starting to make mods id prefer there to be large monthly hotfixes rather than constant small ones

[sturdy sequoia]

has anyone tried keeping rabbits? I found a trailer with 5 rabbits and I think I could set up a space for them at my base but I just want to know if it's worth it or if I should look for other, better animals

[hallow adder]

An accessibility font for dyslexia, which the game supports.

[real fox]

saw this on reddit

[hallow adder]

This is the new meta.

I think the food calories need to be re-balanced.

[eager burrow]

Ah! It does appear… oddly readable compared with other fonts

[edgy kiln]

killing zombies so hard they revert back 6 years

[eager burrow]

I think I need to take some kind of test…

[hallow adder]

Many years of research has led to this point.

So yes, what you are seeing is the fruition of said research, and the font is used widely. Not just in games.

[edgy kiln]

that font is honestly less readable to me lol

[hallow adder]

Because it's specifically designed that way.

[spare field]

Yes calories and weight loss/gain are super broken right now

[hallow adder]

At least, I would say the poultry and the meat needs to be buffed up, while things like peanut butter, butter, and those calories need to be lowered.

Or, it can be just as simple as following the real-world nutrition facts labels.

Butter gives 810 calories per stick, not 3000 calories.

[forest shore]

It seems you can keep any animal in the game. I have a small group of swamp rabbits (I think that's what they are iirc) but they're kind of my backup food supply.

[forest shore]

People with ADHD also have an easier time reading it (but there is a specific font for ADHD readers that is even better)

[eager burrow]

Uh oh I made fun of a thing I shouldn’t have and now imma get harassed on a completely different tangent aren’t I?

though pointing it out is probably gonna make it a lot worse

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah the power just went out in my save and I don't have a gen mag or any levels in electrical yet so a backup food source would be huge. I've been hoarding watches and cameras and stuff so once I get an Electrical 1 book I can dismantle them all and speed level to 2, but I need to get to 3 to use gens. not to mention I still haven't found a gen mag yet lol

I'm planning on clearing the residential areas and checking every mailbox since someone said they can potentially show up there, I already have a generator in place I just can't connect it

[lethal wolf]

yes I only fish for food and I became overweight again after 2 months of survival, too many calories for someone without much non-perishables

apparently carrying massively over-heavy loads of objects is not proper exercise

[mossy tangle]

I mean I think they really just need to up the milk needed. Currently its 500ml (~260 cals irl) of milk to make 1lb of butter (~3400 cals irl and in game). The milk needed should be closer to 5-10L per lb of butter. Realistically a person could live off the milk from one cow or two sheep, but not start a butter factory haha

[hallow adder]

I thought the butter is based on per stick, and not per pound.

[compact crow]

Random spawns mod was not installed. Thats what the issue was

Idk how but it happens to me sometimes too

[lethal wolf]

anyone tested if rabbits yield leather?

[stiff finch]

Wher

[hardy fox]

Yeah.

[vague trench]

how long does it take animals to not be stressed lol i had to kill a baby cause i forget to bring the mommy

[opaque schooner]

Jesus Christ

[vague trench]

im not gonna watch it wither away !!

this was a fake dead zombie, was he just drunk sleeping? lol

[real fox]

It’s a world event human npc that drank to death

[slim merlin]

Drank himself to death while bitten and came back probably

[gleaming perch]

100% lol

dude was so hungover he couldnt get up as a zombie so he just laid there

[vague trench]

lol

[visual sand]

Me as a zombie but replace hungover with just being an eepy fella

[vague trench]

[versed crane]

when b43??

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-no-unhappy-not-amused-gif-8010091

[vague trench]

and today we read to the animals at the crusty learnding center "Nice Cats" by Dr. Penelope Schreinerer

[visual sand]

Looks cozy

[mossy tangle]

Is there a reason you can't pet some animals? One sheep I can and the other I cant. They are both calm and fed etc

[vague trench]

can you shear them then pet them?

[mossy tangle]

Oh interesting let me try

[vague trench]

had the same problem cant remember how i fixed it lol

[mossy tangle]

Yeah that worked. But also wow I feel like 1 raw wool should give way more thread than 1 thread haha

[heavy crown]

Butchering an adult bull with max butchering gives 1/10th the calories of a large fish

[mossy tangle]

Lmfao yeah... I guess there is some balancing to do accross the board

It just seems like a weird starting point, someone still put those values in for some reason

[vague trench]

does it matter what breed of cow?

[heavy crown]

No, butchering just sucks a fat one across the board

Someone was talking about maintaining weight by eating like 7-8 chicken roasts a day

[heavy crown]

I think they were probably dummy values or not really well-considered in the rush to get B42 unstable out.

Thankfully numbers are one of the easiest things to either fix by devs or mod

[mossy tangle]

Yeah probabaly dummy values. Although I think if you got a realistic amount of meat from a cow it would break the game lmao

[vague trench]

is that running around looting and fighting and stuff?

[heavy crown]

A single person farming a herd of livestock should realistically not have to worry about hunger too much

[heavy crown]

Presumably, though at the point you're butchering and cooking 8 chickens a day that's a lot of your day cycle

[mossy tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/arm-pump-gif-22012416

[meager lotus]

'

[silk nova]

but those candles are from a mod?

[vague trench]

nopers i dont use mods

think theyre new cause i cant use the furniture pick up options to picck up

[silk nova]

can u switch them on off?

so u found them there?

[vague trench]

i dont see any option to interact with them nopers unles im blind, yah found them here

[silk nova]

They produce light in the night?

[vague trench]

nope nothings

[silk nova]

Maybe one day we will be able to use candles and lanterns once placed, i hope so

[vague trench]

that would be awesome!

[thick laurel]

Where can I find the zomboid wearing maid outfit

[rich cove]

maybe you need a lighter/matches?

pretty sure candles working was showcased in one of the last thursdoids, unless the feature was meant to be added later

[vague trench]

nopers still dont have option hrmm maybe for laters or something

[gleaming perch]

It'll be added in a future patch

[vague trench]

does that mean shes pregnart?

[real fox]

yee but they take months tho

[silk nova]

i think i am the only one who is having problem with the chickens lol!

no eggs at all

[real fox]

r they stressed?

[silk nova]

no, they are super happy, well feed, fertilized but nothing, they are adult, with the debug i got two adolescents hen and them gave me 4 eggs but the adults nothing

[vague trench]

ok thanks

[forest shore]

level 3 electrical you autolearn how to use generators so you don't need a mag.

[hardy fox]

is there a mod that makes it to wher you can sterilize water in the oven

oh nvm i just wasnt waiting long nenough

actually how do you make food with just butter, i saw a post way up there with a butter roast

[sturdy sequoia]

I know, but I don't have the electrical 2 book and it'll take too long to level up otherwise so I'm going to look for a gen mag as well as the book. hedging my bets

[forest shore]

Ahh yea okay. Well mailboxes do spawn magazines, so may get lucky.

[forest shore]

That involves a roast pan

[sturdy sequoia]

hopefully

[dusty zephyr]

Hey devs can you remov the restriction so we can mix any fluid together plz ? i want to make my speciality Bleach,Gaz,rhum with some water

[vague trench]

lol

dont forget mix it with tainted waters

[vocal sentinel]

my chickens somehow cloned themsleves???? (Look at Chet and Chicken Butt)

and chris

[frozen wyvern]

The Chickenpocalypse...

Run while you still can

[vague trench]

lol "and chris"

[cunning turtle]

[forest shore]

I think I'm going to try a vanilla run on next patch. Just do vanilla - embrace/tolerate the bugs and all.

I suspect we're going to get a patch this week (total speculation I have no way of knowing)

[frozen wyvern]

Id imagine itll be a mega patch either this week or next

[spice agate]

hope so, i want to love this build but the current version has a few too many problems for my liking

[slim merlin]

YOU CAN NAME YOUR CHICKENS?!?

[vague trench]

😆

[slim merlin]

How long does it take for fertilized eggs to hatch? I’ve got a little chicken coop with a singular rooster and a hen

Also. I expect to see cock fights when multiplayer drops since two roosters will fight each other

[vague trench]

lol i did that with two roosters

need to do it with a boxing ring and two shickens

[mossy tangle]

Yeah there is a lot of low hanging fruit to patch that I imagine they are bunching together, maybe with some new stuff! One can hope haha

[dusty zephyr]

if you guys looking for secret basement after west point in the LV area forget about it #sad

[slim merlin]

I mean. Random homes will have random basements

[dusty zephyr]

yeah but there is no static one or any bunker

And i was sure they added Fort Know but not yet i guest

[forest shore]

So uh... How do tents work in B42?

[gleaming perch]

Nasko when is the next patch note

[dusty zephyr]

you need to found one you can roll it after to attach it on bagpack or place it

you just cant craft them like before with 4 stick and a tarp i think

[gleaming perch]

lean-to shelters are the new meta for that I think

though I think they definitely have to rethink that stone axe recipe requiring Level 1 maintenance…

[dusty zephyr]

lmao didnt know that pretty sure we going to get a huge patch note with alots of change soon

[vocal sentinel]

Yea

[gleaming perch]

Changelog: 42.0.3

Suicide and x3 Helicopter Events have been added

[vague trench]

option to milk rats

so i can make snackable sized butters and baby ratbelle cheese

[dusty zephyr]

Where is that?

Btw anyone know if poison rat work to kill them inside the house

[forest shore]

No you absolutely can - it's 2 long sticks, a tarp, and 4 stakes. I made one. But I can't get it to pick up.

[dusty zephyr]

Same looking one we found ?

[forest shore]

What do you mean

Oh rip. My save is dead again.

My computer can't handle another chicken apocalypse apparently. Completely locked up, unable to enter my base 😦

[vague trench]

can you use make a new character on the same save and login debug and delete them near the base?

[ripe nebula]

Devs pls make the spear nerf less harsh 🥺

Pls spears are a lot less useful now

[cunning turtle]

[dusty zephyr]

What they did can stick to zombie now i think?

[forest shore]

You have to be near them to delete them. So probably not sadly.

[dusty zephyr]

Always happen with the knife to me

[forest shore]

Blade weapons (including spears) have been able to get stuck in zombies for a few versions

[dusty zephyr]

Weird i play so many hours yet only happen with the knife but i know in b42 its more common

[vague trench]

Lol just scoot in little by little spamming renove animals

https://tenor.com/view/morning-sneaking-in-sneak-locked-tired-gif-8144018

[frozen wyvern]

No im pretty sure thats new

[edgy kiln]

that was definitely a thing before

[keen gorge]

It's been around for a long while now

I would say it's at least been here since B41 unstable. I can't remember if it was already there before the animations update

[frozen wyvern]

Huh, weird

Ive played for like 300 hours in 41 and it never happened to me lmao

Then again im a filthy crowbar main so thats prob why

[edgy kiln]

it was b41

[dim venture]

best way for katana

[frozen wyvern]

When will someone make a mod that lets me slice a zombie into 300 pieces with a katana like in Metal Gear Rising

[forest shore]

I wonder how the game will look with NPCs added. Curious if it'll be similar to the Week One mod where there's mostly NPCs but the zombie numbers begin to build up quickly - or if it'll always be just full blown apocalypse. The newspapers seem to imply that there's mostly survivors in the exclusion zone to start.

re-reading old thrusdoids and the idea of encountering a random NPC and them being like "I need to get to Riverside to find my family" and just being like "fuck yea - lets do it" so stoked for it.

[frozen wyvern]

The devs have said a few times that you wont experience the absolute beginning of the outbreak in vanilla with NPCs

So a game will prob start with less humans still (just my thoughts tho)

But yeah i hope the NPC narratives and gameplay is compelling

Because if we still always start on the 9th, in the lore everything kinda went to shit outside of LV on like the 7th or 8th

[vague trench]

Will they steal our food n stuff lol, that would be so funny

[frozen wyvern]

Having an intelligent threat would change the dynamic of the game substantially

I fear it might make the aspect of making a cozy safehouse less possible if you have to constantly worry about raiders lol

[hidden path]

just finished clearing a lot of irvington speedway because I thought the loot would be worth it

it was not worth it

[frozen wyvern]

Well in all honesty i think the only loot you would find there would be car parts haha

[hidden path]

I was looking for that and tools

i guess the cars in the front lot were nice

but all the garages were empty expect a couple generators and looms spawning in them

[frozen wyvern]

I havent been there yet, surely there are car tools in like a pit crew area or something?

[hidden path]

the pit crew area has a little bit of stuff but not worth the trade in ammo

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah rn the POIs are just there for ezploring mostly, which isnt a bad thing but leaves little incentive for a lot of people

[hidden path]

I thought the zombies spawned more around areas with better loot

I think there was honestly more zombies here than guns unlimited\

[frozen wyvern]

The zombie heatmaps need some work for sure

[hallow adder]

The 42.1.0 patch.

All praises be for any change of some kind to anything.

[frozen wyvern]

Id imagine theyd change it for the patch

But id like to know their methodology for the heatmap... like why are abandoned places so crowded all the time?

I guess it would be kinda easy to just know a place that has almost no zombies, but its a little annoying to go to an abandoned school or neighborhood and have it still be swarming

[vague trench]

I like zombies being in those places now , prolly just need tinkering but i love the idea of nowhere being safe where id find good loot now

[woven beacon]

This, nowhere should be absolutely safe

How they go about implementing that is a whole different beast. Until they add in true wandering hordes that (imo) group from zombies that are in cities and start roaming the wilderness. Having 10-20 zombies spread throughout a cell should give enough for more abandoned and wilderness cells to feel like zombies might have migrated into them.

Though atm they also added in CELL TO CELL migration. I don't know how that works but you would think that over time zombies will filter out of the cities into surrounding cells

Maybe something like this?? I have no clue

[severe egret]

Im not entirely sure but it seems like this is driven by the heatmap. They seem to only migrate cell to cell in order to repoopulate an area thats supposed to be populated but has been cleared

[forest shore]

I'm curious how it decides to send population there though. Say you completely clear a cell - does each surrounding cell (I assume the 9 surrounding cells vs 4) send a portion of zomboids until the percentage of original population equalizes?

[woven beacon]

Hm but doesnt the respawn mechanic do that anyway?

I might be reading it wrong but this would mean that zombies are going to be repopulating cells even more now than in build 41

If they migrate to cells with lower target population

[severe egret]

It does seem that way though 😅 at least to me. Plus a lot of people play without respawn so maybe its for them

Either way its like, weird unnatural behaviour and im not sure i dig it anyway lol

I can understand if they are being drawn to light at night, and end up hovering around gas stations and diners because of that

But that would mean that behaviour would have to stop when the power goes out

[hallow adder]

i love the idea of nowhere being safe where id find good loot now

I think this is it. The point is to make it so there are no safe zones for the players to venture towards.

[subtle tendon]

When Mac patch

[woven beacon]

But its in standard apocalypse, thats whats confusing to me

But yeah I hope hordes get refined in the future, atm they're a bit too static

I like the distribution changes. Police stations etc. make sense to have most of the hordes, with suburbs and rural houses more derelict. I'm 100% sure IS has heard what people want for it, I think all most people want is less zombies in megahordes (guns unlimited, military checkpoints) and for the distribution to make more sense (less zombies at abandoned or rural locations)

[woven beacon]

As in they stay in the same spot unless a player or metaevent moves them

[severe egret]

Yeah where zombies spawn in, crowding high value areas, is great and makes loads of sense. It just feels odd that they seem like, magnetized to the area.. forever.
But instead of just reducing the spawn at these locations, turn off the magnetism and have zombies naturally wander off more over long periods of time. So, a couple months in, it might be a little easier to loot guns unlimited, but with slighty slimmer pickings. A year in and it's a piece of cake, but most everything is looted. Balanced risk and reward.

[fierce mountain]

Just seen the internal changelog via a streamer 14 pages of fixes that are hopefully coming out when its ready. Impressed at how much they have changed or fixed. Especially if the AMD gpu one is fully fixed 😄

[rich cove]

ooooh where is that?

[fierce mountain]

A copy of that is on Lampreys discord now. Just remember its all WIP so we might not get those changes/fixes

Its probably not coming for a while yet. I hope the issue with melee combat is able to get resolved before the unstable patch drops.

[woven beacon]

Lamprey? Whos that?

[fierce mountain]

A british streamer on twitch Mister_Lamprey

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-project-z-zomboid-zomb-dance-zomboid-gif-24670810

[visual trail]

And we're back on speculation, next big question is when next build ;))

how did he get those internal changelogs ? We're they leaked ?

I see he's on twitch rn but he's not even playing the current version of the build, he's on 42.0.0

^ the unofficial patch notes

"added recipe to carve planks from long branches" - I'll take it !

[fierce mountain]

No he is on the internal build. Main menu screen is on there.

[cunning turtle]

Next decade ;))

[fierce mountain]

Its a very rough build as its the same build that QA occurs.

[visual trail]

hmm sounds impossible but ok I'm sure there's an NDA on that, doesn't matter, If those hotfixes are let's say legit to some extent, they are very welcomed

Doubled maintenance XP gains, sounds fantastic imo bc without a skillbook it's a pain to lvl it up

and now maintenance has some relevance in the game so many will be interested in leveling that skill

[long sun]

guys.. when do you think MP for b42 will be released?

[cunning turtle]

This year

[long sun]

this week?

nice! 😄

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[visual trail]

never

[cunning turtle]

[visual trail]

wait....there is a "fixed missing Maintenance skillbooks" omg let's hope it's finally happening

[fierce mountain]

If you choose to ask on the stream Lamprey can state the specifics.....

[light drift]

every day i wake up and pray that the game will play less like a slideshow on my AMD CPU

[cunning turtle]

Keep praying

[hallow adder]

Upgrade your PC.

[cunning turtle]

[hallow adder]

Actually, upgrade your CPU and that is all you need.

AMD is pretty great at making sure newer CPUs are compatible with your motherboard.

[fierce mountain]

Yeah I went AMD for my new computer last year. I went for the 7800X3D at its cheapest point. It is amazingly good for gaming.

AM4 is very good with the X3Ds too

[hallow adder]

Assuming their motherboard is an AM4 socket motherboard.

[fierce mountain]

True.

If its a AMD gpu that has issues it might be fixed in the next big patch. Seems like they think its fixed.

[light drift]

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D and GTX 4090

[fierce mountain]

Is your computer in performance power plan? If so change it to normal. Secondly you might be missing a specific AMD cpu driver which means it isnt properly parking the non X3D cache cores. Jayztwocents did a video about that 2-3 months ago.

[hallow adder]

"GTX" 👀

[hallow adder]

But yeah, I think it is not the CPU hardware, but something else.

[light drift]

RTX whatever, still get the point. My drivers are up to date and my computer isn't in performance power mode. Build 41 runs fine build 42 runs worse than heavily modded late game build 41 and I know im not the only one with similar issues just by glancing at reddit

[fierce mountain]

Try deleting everything except saves in your user/zomboid file encase build 41 settings are messing with build 42 and secondly check to see if you have cores 16-32 parked via resource monitor when you are playing games. If not then your initial OS installed with your CPU got scuffed and needs a specific reinstall process to resolve this issue. Its why you are having fps issues in multiple games.

[light drift]

Im not having fps issues in multiple games though

[fierce mountain]

You might not be realising it. Just check with any normal game with resource monitor for the core parking. If that isnt getting parked your CPU doesnt have a key driver segment that is meant to disable the non gaming cores.

If it doesnt have that issue take it to the #1019767076094758924 on the discord and make a post there. They can do more specific digging with logs.

[cunning turtle]

[lusty night]

Was excited but then no multiplayer. I never really play singleplayer 😦

[cunning turtle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/991793738584178738/1033050669025861632/attachment-19.gif

[forest shore]

If they're legit then you can for sure the devs weren't lacking since the holidays lol.

[cunning turtle]

Cheese

[hallow adder]

Devs are hard at work. Come back in about half a year, so you can be pleasantly surprised.

[cunning turtle]

I want cheese now damn

[cunning turtle]

[lethal wolf]

cazu marzu when, we already got corpse maggots in game

[cunning turtle]

[slim merlin]

Can you find deer antlers while foraging?

[cunning turtle]

Pat lore

[velvet egret]

Brat Pen

[hallow adder]

Heard the upcoming patch has 371 lines of change logs.

There could be more or less of them as the changelogs get refined.

[cunning turtle]

How blud knows

[rough kraken]

i am hoping they let me move furniture in front of doors next patch

[cunning turtle]

Sounds cool

[rough kraken]

im not sure why you cant

you can build in front of doors, but if you pick up the crate you built in front of the door you cant put it back there

[cunning turtle]

I didn't know that

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah id imagine its gonna be a big patch but im not sure where theyre getting that info lol

[shell crystal]

helloo, a question for the devs, are you planning to launch bear, snake or spiders in B42? it would really cool

[frozen wyvern]

They havwnt said anything about any of those animals (but it would certainly be cool)

Once modders get to understand how animals work more its more possible then

[visual sand]

VERY excited for this, especially for inherently hostile wildlife

Would make hunting exciting as fuck if a bear jumped you while tracking some deer

[frozen wyvern]

Im pretty sure bears are just as afraid of you as you are of them irl

[shell crystal]

yesss, it is so incrible with hostile wildlife

[frozen wyvern]

So i wouldnt see them as purely hostile

[visual sand]

Well sure but when I'm scared of a spider that spider is in about as much danger as I'd be in with a bear

[shell crystal]

Imagine a house event infested with spiders LOL

[hybrid frost]

Black bears, like the kind Kentucky, has are super easy to scare away. If they were added in game, they wouldn't really be much of a threat.

[frozen wyvern]

Just put your hands up to seem bigger right?

[hybrid frost]

Might be neat if you have to shout to scare off a bear in an area near zombies or something though

[frozen wyvern]

Itd be fun if you could just play the surrender animation to scare them lol

[hybrid frost]

That or just shout at them. They really hate loud noises.

[meager geyser]

Also it appears they are very rare in the region irl

[shell crystal]

wolfs are pretty good too

[frozen wyvern]

Carry a whistle with you at all times

[shell crystal]

or real fox

[hybrid frost]

I think most animals would become significantly less rare over time with no more humans keeping their populations down. So it might be fair to include some animals that are not as a common, but still exist, in pre apocalypse Kentucky

[forest shore]

There are (and weren't) any wolves in kentucky either now or in the 90s. They were hunted to extinction in the area.

[hybrid frost]

Would be neat if they were something that could enter the map like several years later, as their populations grow with the deer population that is no longer being culled by people

[velvet egret]

[forest shore]

Kentucky does have coyotes so that would be cool to see

[cunning turtle]

danny is dude

[shell crystal]

But what if hostile animals like wolves escape from the Louisville Zoo? haha

like happenings in the last of us with giraffes

[forest shore]

OOo by that logic maybe wallabys from the Kentucky Down Under Zoo too. That would be cool.

Although I think Horse Cave is pretty far from the knox country area.

[shell crystal]

Kentucky is the horse state too,

[forest shore]

I hope someone will at least add the zoo animals as a mod lol

[hallow adder]

It's out in the open.

There are at least 371 lines of change logs in the patch notes.

[hallow adder]

Youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsTR9iyYYcY

[vague trench]

id live in it

lol it aint zombie day

[opaque schooner]

Is this for the next patch or the current patch

[hallow adder]

More important notes:

• Batteries draining is now fixed
• Generators can now power basements and levels above 8.
• Generators now have varying requirements to repair.
• Generators can generate louder noises when poor condition.
• Fixes to maintenance levels.

[hallow adder]

This upcoming patch

[opaque schooner]

How did you get ahold of that

[vague trench]

yay

[opaque schooner]

No offense just curious

[hallow adder]

Testers got full permission from the devs to share and discuss patch notes

However, the livestream only showed a "preview" of the full patch notes.

[opaque schooner]

Oh very cool ty

[hallow adder]

The full patch note is around 400 to 500 lines. Each line = 1 change.

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/pun-dog-you-rock-awesome-gif-23201411

[opaque schooner]

^^^

[fierce mountain]

There are duplicates in the patch notes at this time too

[velvet egret]

I’m glad TIGS gave us a sneak peek into even more pig variants we’ll be seeing in B42

[vague trench]

freckles the trotter

[hallow adder]

Yeah, because it's a "rough draft" of the patch notes. It will be tidied up and polished when the next patch drops

[opaque schooner]

Where can you see them?

[hallow adder]

In the livestream

[fierce mountain]

It was shared on Mister Lampreys discord. It is WIP patchnotes. All subject to change right now

It was also put in here earlier

[fierce mountain]

bump

[opaque schooner]

Ty

[hallow adder]

Yeah, pretty much this.

[velvet egret]

"doubled maintenance XP gain" and "fixed missing Maintenance books." Nice

[visual trail]

dude those are some of the best fixes I've seen in that huge list

[keen yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[velvet egret]

seems like the next patch is also gonna fix exercising while sitting on furniture too lol

[visual trail]

yeah most of the stuff we talked about here and also reported are going to get fixed

the cursed crops issue is also being fixed

they fixed that carving recipe for some flints that required maintenance 5 instead of 1 in the first patch after we were bitchin here about survival stuff

that exercise and rest bug is so funny

[meager geyser]

will existing saves work with the new patch?

[vague trench]

is that the one where you donut inside your butt?

[velvet egret]

cursed Puppers message #??? (gotta ask Omar what number it is)

[hallow adder]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-wait-what-gif-9000717621307637538

[vague trench]

you know lol when you reload or crouching and grab something from you bag and you turn into a donut

[pallid hinge]

🤣

[pine latch]

It occurs to me that they're gonna have to rebalance loot again if NPCs are going to be looting. Because this more sparse looting environment is gonna cause trouble

[dim halo]

Not if i just kill everyone and take there loot

Thats a joke, but yeah i aggre

[hallow adder]

Well, I would welcome it in Build 43.

[forest shore]

The notes also mention that different generators make different sound levels. The old generator is the loudest, followed by the valutech, and the expensive one is the quietest

[left kindle]

it actually makes sense in my opinion: you should be struggling to find food in an apocalypse

[forest shore]

Pretty sure that's the idea behind the current loot settings where longer time passes = more looted locations occur. I assume it's to kind of simulate NPCs so they can balance it before NPCs drop.

Also they've been open about wanting players to become kind of self sufficent and not having to rely on looting - hence the animals and such.

[vague trench]

yah i have been messing with the pre looted buildings option and trying insane and very high and keeping everything loot on default .. feels very realistic immersionontty

[pale swan]

Man not finding a single ammo box in a plice station after clearling all zeds is insane..

I understand low loot, but give us self sufficient alternative, craft ammo, use bow/crossbows, etc.

THere's no ranged alternative if you dont get any ammo boxes in the police station. Just meele all day.

[forest shore]

I tweaked some of the loot settings on my run. I found most loot to be too rare. literature and ammo got tuned up in my save.

[pale swan]

i love playing the default appocalypse instead of sandbox. In sandbox we can set loot to whatever and it will feel slightly like cheating.

[vague trench]

why cant we sniffer gas

[opaque schooner]

Someone better make a mod for this

[vague trench]

but i dont play with mods on unstables

[forest shore]

Oh hey Pillow added the scenario I thought of the other day ||spawning in the cave||

[sturdy sequoia]

since when has looting dead people made you sad?

[unkempt atlas]

Being able to read patch notes for a patch we can't play yet is way more annoying than there just being no patch yet

[sturdy sequoia]

I personally disagree, now I'm much more excited knowing they're fixing pretty much all of the major bugs. we didn't really know what to expect with the next patch so I'm hyped about it

[vague trench]

they need to make sure its ready for public

[unkempt atlas]

Or else what? It might have bugs in it?

Pretty sure that's already going to happen.

[cunning turtle]

[vague trench]

i would kind of prefer one big hotfix or something because i usually make new saves when they come out , wouldnt really want to keep restarting

[sturdy sequoia]

I mean they'll probably be trying to minimize the amount of bugs in this new patch and polishing things up so they don't break anything major by fixing a bunch of smaller things like they clearly will be doing based on these patch notes

what's the point of fixing a bunch of game breaking bugs if you just make a bunch more of them, yknow?

[hallow adder]

All I know is, the in-game map has new updated pathways, which means those who printed out the in-game map as a poster and hanged them on their walls are forever getting the inferior version of the in-game map.

[frozen wyvern]

Have like, a little bit of patience.

Just a smidge.

[velvet egret]

special infected Puppers

[frozen wyvern]

Oh wait huh??

[lethal wolf]

the crusty zed

[frozen wyvern]

Since when were they on the title screen haha

Yknow i like the new title screen except for Bob and Kate, they look WAY too young

I feel like bob should be in his early 40s yet he looks like 20 here

[hallow adder]

No, we're getting a redesigned Bob and Kate.

[frozen wyvern]

Hmm... where did you hear that?

[vague trench]

lol before life hit them like a pile of brix

[frozen wyvern]

I dunno, i kinda liked the idea of an older man being the focal point. I mean we call him Baldspot for a reason

[vague trench]

the main menu though!!!

[frozen wyvern]

And youre on it haha

Thats cool!

[hallow adder]

#pz_b42_chat message

Since the NPC rework will happen, the discussion was about whether Bob and Kate will get reworked as well.

[frozen wyvern]

Thats referring to the old NPCs from like the first release

[hallow adder]

And I think at that point, it was decided, yeah, they're getting reworked

[frozen wyvern]

Like, from a gameplay point

[hallow adder]

Hmmm, then I don't know.

[visual sand]

Nobody can stop you!

[frozen wyvern]

Im not talking about gameplay Im talking about the appearance of Bob and Kate

I dont like how they both look 19 in the new main menu

[hallow adder]

Was it confirmed those two are Bob and Kate? The new looks.

[frozen wyvern]

Id imagine? Its a different telling of the same title screen of B41 which was bob and kate

It would be weird for it to be framed the exact same way but the two of them being different

[velvet egret]

[forest shore]

Holy crap. Got a key for a ranger pickup with a shotgun, ammo, and a full tank of gas.

[frozen wyvern]

Still looks older in that photo

All im saying is that for a character coloquially known as 'Baldspot' hes noticabely lacking... a bald spot

[heady sentinel]

just to make sure i didn't miss it, those upcoming patchnotes don't mention fixing anything about rosewood/march ridge having oddly high zombie counts compared to other towns, right?

read through the whole thing and loving a bunch of the changes even if i'm sad to see soda strats gone, but didn't see anything regarding zombie density

[opaque schooner]

I thought the notes mentioned lowering zombie density in some places

[heady sentinel]

did they? i must've missed it then

ctrl+f for density only shows them letting zombie density affect firearms containers, searching for distribution only refers to loot pools

[opaque schooner]

I apologize, i misinterpreted them lowering the zombie count in the woods

[heady sentinel]

oh wait now that you mention it i think there was a note for them reducing forest zombie counts- nothing on towns, though

yeah, right here

[opaque schooner]

Yes that

[heady sentinel]

still, hope they do something about the southern part of the map having insane counts at some point- my fps dropped to below 5 just driving through the area to check it out, haha

[opaque schooner]

Seriously, especially with some rural areas having hundreds of zombies

[heady sentinel]

oh? the only rural/forested area i've noticed being packed is the mccoy estate, and i figure that was because it's a crazy good base location

[velvet egret]

we’ll see later on when TIGS sends them in #patchnotes . Pretty sure those future patch notes aren’t finalized yet

[heady sentinel]

yeah, here's hoping they do fix that up- looks like they've fixed basically every other issue the game has at current save for maybe looted buildings being a bit much but that's more personal preference than anything else

[visual trail]

no they are from testing on the current internal build, not sure if all of them will.make it in

[dusky sand]

Where are ya’ll getting a text copy of the patch notes? Not a fan of videos myself but want to read them

[visual trail]

but I'm hoping for at least 200 lines more of fixes 😉

[mossy tangle]

Is there somewhere easy to check out those draft patch notes?

[visual trail]

there is a text file in the chat above

[mossy tangle]

Oh thanks I’ll scroll up

[visual trail]

I've uploaded them from Lamprey's discord

Unofficial patch notes again

[visual trail]

here

[mossy tangle]

Thanks couldn’t seem to find them!!

[dusky sand]

ty ty

[visual trail]

TL:DR, at least 300 lines of fixes

maybe we can go through them and report to the devs what's ok and what seems a bit off since that's the whole point of open testing

[mossy tangle]

I’m still scrolling through but does it say anything about fixing the farming plants dying? Also I like this

• Butter now require 5L of milk instead of 0.5L.

[vague trench]

this?

[mossy tangle]

Yeah that’s the one thank you! Awesome!

[vague trench]

yar

[mossy tangle]

This is a bananas amount of fixes lol

[cunning turtle]

Awesome

[mossy tangle]

Now to be nervous if my existing save game will work lmao. I might start over just to test the full experience again

[meager geyser]

I just started a new run with a really good start but I guess I should wait to see if it will be compatible with the patch before I make more progress

[dusky sand]

no more death by tree! yippieee! i just lost a run because of a neck scratch after i misplaced my rags and didn't have time to rip any o fmy clothing ._.

[cunning turtle]

[mossy tangle]

Do you think this will mean we get more meat from butchering, or just that the meat we do get will have more nutrition

• Bumped nutrition values on animal meat when butchering

[vague trench]

lol i got a crotch laceration from a small bush in one save and was like wth

[pallid hinge]

@vague trench You know how you were smashing windows at a distance? Ret talks about that bug at the end of this video 😸 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-DIPhtJjTA

[vague trench]

lol i tried recreating that bug and couldnt it was so weird

[pallid hinge]

he seems to be able to reproduce it pretty easily

[woven beacon]

Im amd it runs fine

[meager geyser]

Same

[sturdy sequoia]

he does mention in the video that it's only when you aim at a car and there's a window in between you and car that it breaks the window

he also showed that if you just aim at a car from a distance with a melee weapon, the xp for I think maintenance (?) ticks up a bit for every swing even if you're just swinging through the air in the direction of the car

[visual trail]

they're all there

[vague trench]

thats so weird lol

[sturdy sequoia]

ikr lol it's a really interesting video

[forest shore]

It's a bug tied to older AMD cards specifically iirc.

[velvet egret]

“fixed black screen at start of the game and after ‘Click to Start’ on some AMD GPUs”

[twin warren]

• Removed the IgnoreZombieDensity tag from several firearm and ammunition containers because it was making them too rare; this is probably partially on account of default loot levels changing from 0.6 to 0.4 towards the end of internal testing.

Hell yea

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah old saves prob wont work... thats why its good to get more infrequent massive hotfixes

[woven beacon]

I didnt notice any change lines for zombie distribution itself

Hopefully that gets addressed too

[twin warren]

atleast the loot might be worth it now

[woven beacon]

Yeah, hopefully lol

[twin warren]

zombie distribution can be fixed on our end with sandbox atleast

[woven beacon]

It cant though

[twin warren]

Having a whistle is a god send

[woven beacon]

You can lower population, but not where zombies spawn

Or the density of their spawning

[twin warren]

what's wrong with the spawn locations?

[vague trench]

i like them they have been fun

[twin warren]

I appreciate the good places are sorta guarded now, I like the challenge

[vague trench]

yar

[twin warren]

mini boss battles in a way haha

[woven beacon]

abandoned cabins in the wilderness, sanitarium, rural houses

[twin warren]

i feel like that one cabin spawn is either a joke or an accident

[woven beacon]

most rural houses are fine but there are some that have just too many zombies. Doesnt make any sense

Guns unlimited too, imo there should be way more crashed cars to show that people drove there

[vague trench]

i kind of like it when i played winter is coming i went to another place that i wouldnt have found because of that one cabin by muldrag lol

prolly just needs some tinkerings

[cunning turtle]

Why ur pfp looks like a

[woven beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/australia-gif-4719286

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[green igloo]

Any update on 42 multiplayer?

[cunning turtle]

This year

[mossy tangle]

With some of the loot changes a fresh save would be more fun anyway!

[severe egret]

Dude yes. More chaotic storytelling around places like GU would be awesome. More car wrecks, corpses (non walking ones), blood etc.

[woven beacon]

this is what the road to guns unlimited should look like imo

Instead of having all the zombies inside the place, distribute them along the road so it shows that most of the people who tried to get there didnt make it far

In theory if theyre more spread out along the road you might be able to use stealth to get in from the back

[severe egret]

Hmm. Id still keep the majority of the GU local population of zeds in and around it. But yeah put a good chunk of em on the roads like this too. But yeah as i was saying earlier: They should turn of the perpetual magnetism of the heat map and let zeds wander away over time as loot decreases proportionally

[woven beacon]

This is what it looks like currently

Nothing on the road, even though its a really thin road

[severe egret]

Pretty brutal

[woven beacon]

Thats what I thinki it should more look like

A large horde at the entrance to the shop and a large horde along the road

Maybe some stragglers elsewhere but nothing big

[severe egret]

I think it should start as it is. But end up like your version slowly

[gleaming perch]

honestly i fw this more

it ends up looking like people started taking refuge at Guns Unlimited in the first 3 days of the quarantine

[woven beacon]

My issue with guns unlimited aswell is that there are no cars there

[vague trench]

def should be hard to get into i went in there once using debug and there is so much good stuffs in there , would be ufn to make a little base in that house and setup to go in there and get things

[gleaming perch]

Yeah theres barely any you are right

[woven beacon]

It doesnt make sense for there to be more people there than the entirety of echo creek without any cars

[pallid hinge]

There was four cars there in my run 🙂

but barely any, compared to the amount of zombies

[woven beacon]

That place should look worse than the LV checkpoint in terms of car traffic

[vague trench]

i always figured that the people that live in that area or surrounding know about it since there are fliers in the mail

[severe egret]

It should. But it should also get easier (less crowded) over time by having zeds wander away more, at the cost of finding less loot

[woven beacon]

If thats the case then there should surely be less zombies in the surrounding areas right?

[severe egret]

So like, if you wanna raid it hard you wanna get there early. But if youd rather wait til things die down and don't mind a little less loot, you can do that. Makes sense for MP too

[woven beacon]

To simulate that they left their houses to go there

[vague trench]

like other places around that store?

[woven beacon]

No like, Echo Creek, Ekron etc.

[severe egret]

Yeah to show that part of the local population just flocked in

[woven beacon]

If people left the towns to go to guns unlimited, there should be way less zombies in the towns

[vague trench]

i dunno , i think people have different goals when chaos is chaosing

[severe egret]

I mean, everyones gonna prioritise what they loot differently

[vague trench]

maybe people from lv went to country or something

[woven beacon]

But if you look at Ekron for example you would think that the zombies at guns unlimited just got birthed into existence

[woven beacon]

the military checkpoint?

[vague trench]

no just in general like the people living in it and the other exits n stuff

that checkpoint is cursed lol

[woven beacon]

Err

The checkpoint is there to stop people entering or leaving, and the lore says the military shot people who tried to exit or enter LV

[meager geyser]

I think there must have been a large event at guns unlimited

[vague trench]

I dunno isnt there other exits though? And was the virus in cirrculation before the media got wind of it?

[dawn elm]

must of been a discount sale for guns and thats is why it attracted zombies lol

[meager geyser]

Considering the layout of the place

[cunning turtle]

[vague trench]

i dunno i kind of make up my own little story in my head lol

[cunning turtle]

Nice

[vague trench]

yes lol ghost

[woven beacon]

Theres two other exits but that still means there should be a buttload of traffic jams along the road to guns unlimited

[vague trench]

[dawn elm]

glad the zombie spawns in rural areas are no longer a huge issue.

[woven beacon]

So even if uninfected people from LV all decided to leave LV and somehow bypass the military there would still be alot of cars at guns unlimited. Same if people from Irvington, Ekron, and Brandenburg went there.

[dawn elm]

traffic jams with burnt cars logic

[bright glade]

I always wondered what happened with the burnt cars when going to louisvile

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-project-z-zomboid-zomb-dance-zomboid-gif-24670810

[native spear]

can I boil the dispener water bottles full of water

[woven beacon]

They're plastic

[native spear]

yes

[woven beacon]

Id assume its the same for plastic bottles

[native spear]

i tried it in a grill away from my house, nothing happened, so I was wondering if they just physically cannot be boiled

[forest shore]

I believe the answer is no. Unless it's in a microwave

[native spear]

thank you ill try that soon

[dusty zephyr]

where you see those change for real ?

[cunning turtle]

[forest shore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1i24gai/list_of_possible_changes_from_drunkonlife_stream/

And (one of) the streams where the notes were discussed https://www.youtube.com/live/WsTR9iyYYcY

[dusty zephyr]

That 1 change they bring back that make no sense and was making the multiplayer way to easy with that and remove the challenge its Re-enabled Disinfect Bandage using hot water, added tooltip to inform it needs to be very hot. In real life its the way that work Cutting clothing away. Cutting bandages and dressings to size. Clean with warm water and soap. Place in boiling water for 15 minutes to kill bacteria. So like the best idea will be that you need altess soap to disinfect bandage....

[bright glade]

will this patch include any performance fix?

[forest shore]

You absolutely can disinfect bandages with just boiling water. It isn't really that hard to do.

[dusty zephyr]

No you cant lmao

[frozen wyvern]

Yeah, its a real thing

[forest shore]

Yes.... You can lol.

[frozen wyvern]

Its this neat thing called 'sterilization'

[cunning turtle]

Can or not can

[dusty zephyr]

And i really hope they keep the well tainted water that make everything way to easy for water ...

[frozen wyvern]

I cant understand anything you seem to say

[cunning turtle]

Lmao

[dusty zephyr]

just play the game

[frozen wyvern]

[dusty zephyr]

well

[bright glade]

will more ram help with b42 lag?

[cunning turtle]

[frozen wyvern]

How much ram do you have?

[bright glade]

I'm getting 16 gigabytes

[dusty zephyr]

Keep tainted water

[cunning turtle]

Keep tainted water

[frozen wyvern]

Are you running any mods

[vague trench]

What kind lag? Like during driving? Around any specific places?

[bright glade]

like anytime I run into a single zombie it lags the game

[cunning turtle]

modf*

[forest shore]

My guess is around animals - that's when I notice stutters mainly.

[bright glade]

no mods

[frozen wyvern]

Hmmmm

[cunning turtle]

Try to low the illumination

[frozen wyvern]

Is your light updates setting set to default?

[bright glade]

yes

[frozen wyvern]

Have you tried verifying the game files?

[vague trench]

Hrmm

[bright glade]

yes

[frozen wyvern]

Uh.... what are your specs?

[bright glade]

one moment

[velvet egret]

you try Task Manager -> set PZ to high resource allocation priority?

[cunning turtle]

Hrmm

[bright glade]

won't let me do that for some reason, "you don't have permission"

[frozen wyvern]

I mean im gonna ask the basic questions, PZ is the only big program running right?

[bright glade]

yes

I have a AMD fx 6300 running at 3.5 ghz
8 gb ram (currently)

[forest shore]

Do you have a graphics card or is it integrated graphics?

[frozen wyvern]

I thought you said you had 16gb of ram

[bright glade]

ah yes, gpu

[frozen wyvern]

Or is that vram

[bright glade]

I do have one, radeon RX550/550

oh, I'm in the process of installing it, so it's 16g later

the ram isn't in the computer yet

[dusty zephyr]

Login into the forum god

[forest shore]

DDR3? You won't get amazing performance on that with modern games, even with more RAM. But if you stick to 1080P gaming you should be fine after the ram upgrade.

[frozen wyvern]

Well... you dont have 16 ram if you havent installed it yet, thats prob the performance issue

It should run better after the upgrade to your machine lol

[bright glade]

alright, that should be good then

after my ram upgrade, I'll see what that does for b42

[forest shore]

I think 8GB falls under the current minimum needed to run B42.

[vague trench]

Doea playing with lower zombies help?

[bright glade]

yes

[forest shore]

With the new lighting and everything I think the game needs something like 10GB

[bright glade]

as in no zombies whatsoever, the performance is good

although I can't zoom out without considerable lag

[frozen wyvern]

I mean just in general i think we've come to a point where 8gb for computers doesnt really work anymore sadly

At least for games that is

[forest shore]

Even the Steamdeck has 16GB so. Yea.

[bright glade]

I haven't upgraded my computer in 7 years

[frozen wyvern]

Well that would do it

[forest shore]

I see nothing in the patch notes about menu or loading art. Sadness. I hope they include some form of menu/loading art.

[vague trench]

sucks how fast things get out of date lol

[bright glade]

it's funny that my whole reason for upgrading my ram was to play rust

[forest shore]

Cool tip - be sure to close your web browsers fully before playing a game. Google Chrome especially is known as a RAM hog - like right now it's taking 2GB on my system while I'm wathcing videos.

[bright glade]

destroy it with task manager?

that would help?

[forest shore]

It can, yea.

But really - install that new RAM. That'll be the true help. Your system is just tapped out on modern games.

[frozen wyvern]

Im at odds with how to feel about it, if AI was involved i dont wanna see it but i would like there to be loading screen art

[bright glade]

https://tenor.com/view/very-good-gif-22775495

thanks for the help, y'all

[forest shore]

My opinion is that AI wasn't involved - but I don't want to get into that lol. I like the idea of using the newspaper articles in the loading art though.

[dusty zephyr]

For laptop you need to change them every 2-3 years i buy 1 and that was the last time lmao tower you can change pieces for less and keep going for year

[frozen wyvern]

Cant bring a tower with you everywhere tho

[dusty zephyr]

AI was not use peoples was just going crazy for no reason peoples Cant even see what is real of not in the internet these days lmao

[dusty zephyr]

yes true thats why i buy one for when i travel but now just keep over heating 😦

[forest shore]

That's what the steamdeck is for ;D

[frozen wyvern]

Its hard to use Blender or type essays on a steam deck

[vague trench]

cant wait for steamfrick controls to work on pz again

[gleaming perch]

honestly the best solution to this whole thing lol

if you get there early game you get whatevers already there but as time goes on most of it is gone with the horde dispersing around the cell

[dusty zephyr]

legit 1 of the guy in my room have 1 of those and to be honest that look amazing and dont cost that much

[severe egret]

Precisely. Should work really well in an MP environment too

[frozen wyvern]

The steam deck is a great piece of tech

[cunning turtle]

I thought u said trash

[dusty zephyr]

The place i found the most horde its at the new Zone in LV with the 38 floors tower when legit there is like 5k zed right theere and the checkpoint But for the checkpoint i understand they want you to fight to cross LV and in the lore LV checkpoint get over run by huge horde of zeds

[forest shore]

I use it as my desktop. I love it.

Until I get my laptop fixed or build a proper desktop. Maybe do both. Idk.

[cunning turtle]

[forest shore]

Dock, powered USB hubs, monitor, keyboard, and mouse. 🙂

[cunning turtle]

Dope

[vague trench]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-series-bit-of-both-loki-clip-tom-hiddleston-gif-21748514

[forest shore]

The deciding factor is how much it's going to cost me for a new motherboard for my laptop. May be toasty toast.

[frozen wyvern]

It is awesome how it can do that

Id like to see what Valve does with hardware in the future

I keep hearing people talk about how if Valve made a console it would be amazing, which I can't disagree with (but one could argue the Steam Deck is the console)

[vague trench]

yah its my favorite hand held console thing i have ever owned , can do so much with it

[dusty zephyr]

yeah its like a nintendo switch

[hardy fox]

uhh i logged onto my world and all of my chickens have disappeared :(

[vague trench]

lol

wth , did they wander off?

[hardy fox]

no, my entire like property is walled in and they were inside a little pen on top of that

they just gone :(( fr...

[edgy kiln]

i assumed hes meant to be 27 since thats the age it always says in the character info panel

[vague trench]

lol we need bells to put on our animals , i chopped some trees and my cows ran off and it was so hard to find them with the vision thingie

[frozen wyvern]

Oh interesting, i never noticed that

[cunning turtle]

[vague trench]

lol scared the shart out of me , bathroom party with hottiez

[cunning turtle]

[forest shore]

Valve did make a console on the past and it was a bit of a flop. Rumor has it the steam deck is the first step to making a standalone VR - think like the oculus quest. But better.

[real fox]

project freakzoid

[dusty zephyr]

lol happen to me in second floor i hear bang on the door and when i open it there was 10 zombies inside the room i sht myself

[subtle tendon]

when mac patch

[vague trench]

Lol i had tv going irl and didnt hear them ran so fast ahahs, love the bathroom parties

[hallow adder]

No ETA™️

[forest shore]

I did some poking at my laptop and it seems to be working fine. I guess leaving it on a shelf for 6 months fixed it?

I say that but really I unplugged oen of the fans and it started working - stops working when I plug the fan back in. I guess the fan shorted out.

[glacial cape]

Reduced fatigue change for cola and soda fluids, from 5 to 2. Soda meta is over

[pallid hinge]

also

which is the real soda meta being over

[glacial cape]

F jokes aside glad it's been fixed I didn't use it anyways cause it was clearly an exploit lol

[pallid hinge]

same 😄

[glacial cape]

I'm excited for this patch hopefully I'll be able to get started on blacksmithing, guess we'll see if I can forge small blades now without the need for a magazine

So so many much needed fixes & balancing changes

[heavy crown]

• Bumped nutrition values on animal meat when butchering.
  The average Kentuckian will no longer have to eat two bulls a day to maintain weight

[pallid hinge]

now only one and a half

[woven beacon]

Nah its not over, I just have to drink more soda

Soda meta continues

https://tenor.com/view/badlands-badlandschugs-water-chugs-ocean-gif-21173870

[pallid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/sodies-gif-11494349223747508783

[cunning turtle]

Someone stop that man

[glacial cape]

True with enough soda you can stave off sleep

Kinda like the vitamins, caffeine pills & coffee

Speaking of which has anyone found vitamins yet? I've only been finding the caffeine pills unless they're the new vitamins, also still wish there was an option to take all instead of one at a time

[woven beacon]

Yeah Ive found them

I've taken used 5 full bottles already all at once

https://tenor.com/view/obtain-realism-real-get-real-gta-v-gif-22625670

[cunning turtle]

Where you find too many sodas

[left kindle]

realistically, how do you guys think the devs can rework the first Aid skill?

[cunning turtle]

Well...

[left kindle]

I think it's impossible without NPC's

first Aid is mostly for others, not yourself

[cunning turtle]

Makes sense

[sturdy wren]

still no patch ?

[visual trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311774499712274452/1317926995279089664/kZgmqy.gif

it's been a while but the meme never gets old

[cunning turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-glorp-glorp-glorp-cat-nervous-gulp-cat-gif-6405647114975741623

[severe egret]

Full medical overhaul will happen eventually. Likely resulting in another 6-7 related skills to bloat out the skill window

https://tenor.com/view/darryl-the-office-darryl-philbin-the-office-yay-yay-gif-yay-gif-25696872

[glacial cape]

Idk for now I can only see the scope being limited to balancing out injuries & giving us options of making herbal remedies which will have a similar effect to what the medication in the game already does and maybe stuff for treating food poisoning and fevers

I don't see a whole big rework until maybe human npcs

At least if we can get herbal equivalent or remedies we can have some use for the first aid skill but there's only so much that can do, we do need a use for the new herbs we can grow though

[left kindle]

a very meaning full meme

[glacial cape]

Fear of blood experience be like

Not much of an issue with smoker though

[mossy tangle]

If they intent is for NPCs to increase long term playability, would be cool to expand the sickness system and then first aid. The cook messed up the stew and now everyone has the shits!

[glacial cape]

Although good luck finding smokes & you will lose athletic for only +2 points

[glacial cape]

Organ harvesting when

[sturdy wren]

the skill window is literally fucking bigger than my monitor man.

[glacial cape]

Lol can't wait for a mod which improves the skill menu ui

[sturdy wren]

they kinda ruined the ui tbh tbh

it worked fine before idk why they made the skill window now forcefully bigger

[glacial cape]

At least you can change which skills you want shown or close each tab

There's still brewing and other skills to come btw

[sturdy wren]

yeah

[left kindle]

I think we were also promised a fire rework

[glacial cape]

Yeah it's called removing molotovs cause fire is op and boring

[left kindle]

no, as in actual rework

[glacial cape]

Ik I was being sarcastic lol messages don't come across well sorry

[left kindle]

so I don't burn the whole town after I forgot to turn off the stove

[glacial cape]

That is funny though

[fierce mountain]

Yeah UI will probably get a revamp if there is enough feedback. Crafting UI needs feedback to help them make some better menu choices.

[severe egret]

Or when the missus tries to purify water in a kettle in the microwave

[glacial cape]

I have died to a microwave before and I don't feel proud of it

I never mess with them now as a result

[severe egret]

It happens to the best of us

[glacial cape]

Amen

[fallen inlet]

How long do you guys think until multiplayer is back?

[slim merlin]

Months

Be patient. It will come in time

[cunning turtle]

“Every time you ask about B42 Multiplayer, we delay it a week.”

[sturdy sequoia]

is athletic that good? I've been using smoker so consistently for so long that I never take it. I have been taking stout for the increased carry weight and strength though

[glacial cape]

Yes higher the fitness the slow the drain, faster attack speed & faster recovery time which is great for combat overall

As well as a higher chance to climb high fences & trip less I could be wrong about this but I think higher fitness increased block chance

So ideally you'd want higher fitness than strength especially since now muscle fatigue is a thing & I don't think that scales with strength so only fitness and weapon skill are more important than strength atm

Strength is useful as well but right now its not too important since I don't think it reduces muscle fatigue only weapon skill does

[sturdy sequoia]

oh yeah those are pretty good benefits. I was planning on dropping smoker in this build starting with my next save, I only decided in my current save that it's no longer worth it solely bc of how often you have to smoke, how much it affects damage, and how hard it is to find smokes. which is honestly ridiculous for 1993 kentucky

[sturdy sequoia]

very good to know, the constant fight until you're exhausted and then go rest for a few hours before doing it again was a little tedious to clear areas of zombies

[glacial cape]

Ah well if you didn't know the kentuckians actually smoked all the cigarettes & wasted tons of ammo as well as drinking the gasoline and chucking the sledgehammers in the river

[glacial cape]

I get tired after 15-20 zombies which seems like a good balance to me

[sturdy sequoia]

lol those idiots

[glacial cape]

That's at 7 fitness, 9 strength and 5 short blunt skill

Could be I can go for longer than usual due to use a low stamina cost weapon type which btw weapon stamina cost scales of the weapons weight

[sturdy sequoia]

yeahh idk I just miss being able to do a little more. I like the new thing of having to pick your fights but if I really need the supplies in buildings that have hordes around them, I have to spend days and days clearing just to get to it

[sturdy sequoia]

didn't know that tbh, I thought using two handed weapons was better now bc it spreads the muscle strain across your two arms instead of all being the right arm. but it's the fatigue that's getting me, not the muscle strain, so that does make sense

[glacial cape]

I do agree but I do also like the new pace of the game it slows things down and stops people from having everything in the first week then getting too bored but exaggerated but still

What I'm not a fan of is how common the already looted poi's are especially in important loot locations 🙃

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah I probably just need to get used to it lol

[glacial cape]

You can always tweak it or disable it if you're not a fan as well

[sturdy sequoia]

I think I'd feel less under pressure to progress faster if it weren't for the combination of factors that make doing anything in the first few days. like losing weight and needing to find food constantly, being unable to find skillbooks, trouble fighting zombies in any kind of significant numbers, etc

I know they're fixing the weight thing so that'll help but skillbooks still are a sore point for me

[glacial cape]

I'd like to believe the skillbooks are a result of diluted loot pools & hope they're just not rarer now especially with new skills to grind

Idk if the patch notes preview mentioned anything about the skillbooks

[sturdy sequoia]

it certainly seems like it yeah, hopefully they bump those in the loot pool in places like bookstores and libraries

I didn't see anything either, but I read through it in between meetings at work yesterday so I could've missed it lol

[glacial cape]

It'd be cool if home basements which are things like a carpenters, hunter etc had skill books in there house associated with their profession

[sturdy sequoia]

oh yeah like the initial spawn house generates so that it has carpentry stuff in the basement, it could have the skill books? that would make sense yeah

[glacial cape]

Yeah like the hunters basement might generate shooting & reloading skill books

[sturdy sequoia]

would be cool if it worked with certain traits too, like if being a smoker gave you like half a pack to start. not enough to make it trivial so you still have to loot for more, but just like for verisimilitude. like this character is a smoker, why doesn't she have cigarettes?

[sturdy sequoia]

so many people would pick hunter lol

[glacial cape]

Strange hunter skill doesn't have tracking this could be due to change

[leaden wedge]

The new fluid system is nice. A bit clunky to fill stuff but its nice to store all the liquids in big rain collector barrels. I now have 4 full rain collectors with fuel, some with blood and 5 with milk. And two with water. But my favorite: All drinkable liquids that can't disinfect wounds. My guy gets so hammered that he forgets any fear or reason 😄

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah they added a bunch of skills to professions in the new patch notes but didn't add tracking to hunter for whatever reason

[glacial cape]

Can you drink the blood?

Vampire trait when

[leaden wedge]

probably. Never tried ^^ It will defensively be drinkable if you mix it with 50% water 😄

[glacial cape]

Would be funny

[leaden wedge]

Max 8 Liquids can be mixed per "Cocktail"

[compact crow]

Does it add any effect or some for making cocktails?

[sturdy sequoia]

it would be fun for there to be a mixology element since we can mix fluids and they're adding brewing and stuff, like being able to mix drinks that increase happiness on top of making you inebriated

would be fun to play a bartender in multiplayer servers and just make people drinks

[glacial cape]

Can't wait to play ring of fire in pz xd

[visual sand]

I was hoping that's how it'd work inherently but yeah I think making cocktails that aren't jungle juice should yield some buffs

Also we can't salt the rims which is big sad why even have salt at that point?

[sturdy sequoia]

yeah definitely, especially since we have many kinds of alcohol now

[glacial cape]

Can't wait to see the optimal cocktail combination

[visual sand]

🎵 can I get a bleach on the rocks? 🎵

[sturdy sequoia]

facts, we have sliced onions and sliced ham so they should let us slice lemons or limes and put a little wedge on the glass too

[visual sand]

Sex on the beach becomes the meta

[sturdy sequoia]

maybe have some of those little cocktail umbrellas in some fancier bars

[glacial cape]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-meme-discord-lemon-emoji-gif-21464061

[sturdy sequoia]

but whether you mean the drink or some fucked up abuse of grappletech mechanics remains to be seen 👁️

[visual sand]

😏

[sturdy sequoia]

when sonic gives you lemons

[sturdy sequoia]

[left kindle]

does anyoone know if they're going to reudce muscle strain in the next patch?

the parkour(climbing, running, vaulting) aspects are still a bit too much

I like the combat aspects though

[leaden wedge]

It gives all the benefits (partial based on its part in the mix) of all the drinks in the cocktail. If the cocktail is atleast 50% water you can autodrink it like water. Really nice with coffee/water mix to reduce fatique passivly.

[leaden wedge]

There is a sandbox setting for it.

[left kindle]

yes, but it effects all of the aspects

it also reduces/increases the combat muscle strain

[leaden wedge]

True. The climbing part is based on strength, fitness and your weight. Since i leveld this up to 7 i had no problems while climbing unless i am extremyl packed

[left kindle]

yeah, but my level 2 fitness character can't climb into his chicken coop and back

I have to sit down and wait a few minutes until I can climb back up

[leaden wedge]

As an 2 fitniss guy in RL that sounds about right 😉

[cunning turtle]

I got more strength irl than fitness tbh 😉

[fierce mountain]

Thats the short term disadvantage you took on your character. There has to be cost vs benefit on the choices. 😄

[dusty zephyr]

was way to op haha no more need to sleep

[glacial cape]

Tru

[dusty zephyr]

i mean they can add new injury,infection ect

[dusty zephyr]

i hope they get back to the old one i dont like this one to

[glacial cape]

When can I install a peg leg on people

[left kindle]

true

I hope they do that

[glacial cape]

People who don't clean their bandages & disinfect their wounds when the infected wound starts kill them

[cunning turtle]

[lethal wolf]

I think every wound I've had in my current run became infected...but then that one SAME TINY BUSH I often hit while building bridges and roads has nearly killed me with neck laceration

Outdoorsman + Park Ranger certainly doesn't make you immune to bushy deaths, but then I suppose carrying 50 units worth of planks and logs probably increase your clumsiness...

[glacial cape]

Yeah I'm planning of clearing my whole area of trees to avoid that

& having a huge stockpile of wood will be handy