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[tepid fractal]

!suggestions

[tardy badger]

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https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/192-commonly-suggested-suggestions/

[timber trellis]

Let's go, yap awards

[tepid fractal]

its outdated

[velvet kettle]

Serious Spiffo holds the 4000th message in this channel

[worn pivot]

just like the first half of this year message

[tepid fractal]

it was never dated

it was never offical

[velvet kettle]

NasKo, you can lock this channel now

[worn pivot]

They really should've not said anything

[tepid fractal]

oh yea when they lock the channel it means thursdoids coming up

[timber trellis]

It wasn't official, but it was a dev comment tbf. Wasn't unreasonable to take it as reliable

It's unreasonable to still consider it as reliable when there's been information to the contrary, but plenty of people aren't aware of that info

[tepid fractal]

🤷‍♂️maybe you shouldnt have trusted one dev say “maybe” on a random reddit post in january

[worn pivot]

I dont trust anything they say lmao

[timber trellis]

...and it was in no uncertain terms, not “maybe”. It was “for sure”

[tepid fractal]

fair

but still, it was one dev who maybe said it too soon

it wasnt like TIGS’s twitter lol

unoffical announcement from one dev on a unoffical platform commenting on a unoffical post

it was never set in stone

[willow geode]

People want ETAs all the time and when an estimate is given and then slips people get upset that it slipped, forgetting what Estimates are, and losing faith and not believing whatever we're saying

[tepid fractal]

it was a nice estimate but obviously it was never confirmed

[willow geode]

There is no arguing with someone who doesn't believe anything you say, you just let them vent a reasonable amount

[timber trellis]

I don't believe what you just said

[tepid fractal]

yeah , just trying to correct them

[tepid fractal]

yeah, theyre called ESTIMATE for a reason. its not an ETA, its just a guess with minor evidence backing it up

[worn pivot]

didnt realize you worked for indie stone

[tepid fractal]

i might as well lol i have 3000 hours

[worn pivot]

yeah i have 3000 hours too, big woo

[willow geode]

All I ever said was painting the scenario that when it looked like X and then later on we wanted to make a more official statement than a comment on Reddit, we got together, and people should assume that a date we publicly mention would be the one to go with, not with an earlier one just because it's putting a possible release at an earlier time.

[tepid fractal]

im allowed to defend TIGS without actually working for them

[dire garden]

I got no clue how the process behind the doors looks, but maybe just having something like a public trello, or how facepunch does it with a public "repo log" that people can see what is currently worked on in a bit more details?

[willow geode]

People don't have to work for us to correct something wrong?

[timber trellis]

I respect the policy to not give ETAs because they can lead to disappointment

[worn pivot]

I'm salty, please excuse my salty state

[tepid fractal]

and also not puttiing devs on crunch time

[timber trellis]

I do think estimates should be clearly phrased as estimates if they are given, though, even if informal. From the perspective of consumers comments from people working on the game are official

But that's just my unwarranted two cents

[willow geode]

I think our blog is already plenty enough, I really don't need people bickering at our every move lol

Things change on Trello boards too

[tepid fractal]

if you want an acutal set in stone release date, go with 2024

cause that was offical

[willow geode]

Cannot fathom how people would react when considering their reactions to a reddit comment becoming outdated because things changed

I do agree that we never should have put out an estimate though

[worn pivot]

if you never did it again, it would be too soon fr

[tepid fractal]

yeah and considering how every thursdoid theres some new feature we find out is coming in b42

[odd totem]

Lemmy is currently clearing the mall with a sharpened spoon as punishment

[tepid fractal]

sharpened spoon in b42 confirmed

[worn pivot]

Id like to apologize to the people who i've interacted with today, I am a salty spitoon

[tepid fractal]

salty fry

[willow geode]

Well they're not coming out of nowhere though

[tepid fractal]

get it

[odd totem]

"Every spoon is a sharpened spoon if it's sharp" - Pat_Bren

[willow geode]

We did get a lot quieter about future content and keeping our mouths shut about it

[formal dock]

yes

[tepid fractal]

yea im pretty sure one blog said most of the features we recently found out about would be coming in future b42 builds, not initial release right?

[velvet kettle]

not sure if you got the memo but it’s The Indie Game Store* now

[timber trellis]

I much prefer an estimate turning out to be outdated with communication abt that to the alternative practice of “eta, oops nevermind, eta, oops nevermind”. It's been said plenty but the open communication from y'all is always appreciated

[dire garden]

yeah, i can see some issues with facepunches approach and they have plastered "subject to change" everywhere, i can absolutely see why it might get annoying when people fail to realize that features might get scrapped and i do love the blogs, especially the peeks into the more technical aspects

[willow geode]

but when it ends up progressing fast enough to actually be considered for 42 inclusion, that's working as intended

[willow geode]

Yup

[dire garden]

So... how likely is it that we'd get a sharpened spoon as a shortblade weapon for b42? I'd be in trying to clear a tiny mall with that

[tepid fractal]

you can get hopes up and believe in a beta branch in first half of 2024 but it more than likely is not happening

[dire garden]

very-short shortblade ofc

[unique oar]

to be fair, you can use a spoon as a weapon already

[timber trellis]

Shouting this message from a megaphone bc I've had discussions where people have interpreted blogs as feature creep and I've unsuccessfully tried to explain it was probably just not public yet

[formal dock]

exactly this

[willow geode]

Story of my life lol

[tepid fractal]

anyway excited for the thursdoid today- kinda upset the fire rework was pushed back

prob more important things though

hoping to see the vehicle physics on upper/lower floors again

[dire garden]

Maybe someone of the longer readers can help me, i remember changes to plumbing, as in buildings had fixed pipes and cables, i somehow desperately remember it being part of a dev blog with a "diagram view" of how it looks under the hood, but i just cant remember what post it was

[unique oar]

i completely forgot they were doing a fire rework

[dire garden]

or is age finally catching up to me

[tepid fractal]

yea we only saw it in one blog post

[unique oar]

that was one with fire and throwing like last year, right?

[tepid fractal]

it was confirmed on bluebird or whatever the one app is called it didnt make it into b42, at least initial release

[tepid fractal]

yeah about a year ago now

[hallow orchid]

Oh wait, how would that work? 3D models of fire usually end up as particles and emitters.

[tepid fractal]

but it mostly showed new fire sprites, audio, animations etc

think temperature on items was coming with that

but we’ll see

[hallow orchid]

So it's still sprite-based?

[unique oar]

I couldnt even tell you anymore because it was sso long ago but they did talk about it in a blog so you could probably hunt it down

[tepid fractal]

i dont remember anything about that

[hallow orchid]

yeah, will hunt it down later.

[tepid fractal]

the blog was called fire something so its not some weird title

[hallow orchid]

I just realized you can't add reactions to messages. 😦

[tepid fractal]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/01/my-zeds-is-on-fire/

try that

i guess another blog mentioned it cuz it said “going back to fire…”

[hallow orchid]

The video is no longer available.

They had a Youtube link that showed what the new fire will look like.

[tepid fractal]

yea they private the videos im pretty sure

[hallow orchid]

Oh well, maybe the fire didn't work out as intended.

[dire garden]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/08/the-connection-is-made/

[tepid fractal]

go to atomic ducks yt, surely one of his thursdoid recaps talks abt it

[dire garden]

I'm not sure where i rememberd the diagram but atleast that has parts of it that i remembered dammit

am getting old

[velvet kettle]

what could be more important than the idea of flamethrowers?

from Cellar Door-doid blog post:

[hallow orchid]

We have fluid container sprayers in B42?

Whoa, the scope of B42 is insane.

I'm now starting to think maybe B42 is like an expansion pack, similar to World of Warcraft expansions.

[unique oar]

yeah, the idea for 42 is a big step forward

it will lay the groundwork for lots of new things going forward

[hallow orchid]

This really isn't your typical game update.

[toxic onyx]

I can’t wait for animals

[unique oar]

nope

[dire garden]

alone the cables and pipes part to connect machines up is insane

[toxic onyx]

And the grapple tech combined with animals may mean horses

[unique oar]

lmao, death by horse bite

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/techno-pirates-project-zomboid-zomboid-gif-25611530

[toxic onyx]

Just a new way to die

[timber trellis]

I think that was just a decorative thing, if I'm thinking of the same thing

[dire garden]

i posted a blog post a bit under there that showed actual cables and pipes working

as a demonstration for the crafting machines

[timber trellis]

Yeah, machines but idt we saw anything like that for plumbing

[dire garden]

https://youtu.be/RA6gewj2PDU

[timber trellis]

Was this the image you had in mind? From https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/03/eine-kleine-nachtmoozik

(In which it's referred to as decoration)

[dire garden]

i dont think that one was it, i remember a more diagram looking thing

but the video has what appears to be working pipes to a pump and a cable between two power tools

This will also, ultimately, add far more interesting gameplay to base construction and generator usage. We would have pipes and wires to facilitate the wiring and plumbing of machines and home systems together – rather than fudging water collector positions to make operable sinks, or just placing a generator next to a building and instantly powering it.

How far could this be pushed?

Well, in testing the system’s flexibility, Turbo grabbed some existing sprites from around the map to make sure the system was working okay for both our needs, and those of the modding community.

source: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/08/the-connection-is-made/

its obviously heavy place holder so the pipes could have very well just been there for show

[timber trellis]

I stand corrected, good to know. I think that's more future state than b42 but we'll see

[dire garden]

I'm not sure

i remember it being intergrated into the crafting changes

[midnight mesa]

alright im confused now what actually is the public and official statement regarding the state of B42 and whatnot

[dire garden]

pretty much giving the option to make "feed the beast"-like mod packs in the future with more advanced tech

thats what the juice example was supposed to show, that you can have production lines

[timber trellis]

A post on Twitter/X from the official TIS account said that the unstable release will be out sometime in 2024

[dire garden]

but whenever it comes I'm really excited for what that might bring

the possibilities it opens up, especially with the lua mod api is really, really nice

[timber trellis]

Yeah I'm excited to see what stuff comes up on the modding scene too, but only after trying out pure vanilla again

[midnight mesa]

does anyone still have that pictuer with the bowyer profession tree and all that? do we know if that is still official/confirmed or if its scrapped? because im getting worried about that :(

[timber trellis]

(see https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/08/slapdashdoid)

[dire garden]

just imagine placing down your water collectors in the garden, and having a pump get it to your house instead of having to place the collectors somewhere on the roof

maybe even with a proper filter that has to be changed in the pump every so often as a crafting machine part

[toxic onyx]

👀

[midnight mesa]

thank you

i still hold out hope for it and hope that either this or maybe next or just... soon we get to see an update on the bowyer ... everything really, since i already planned out a variety of characters on RP servers that will revolve around it and my general love for bows

[dire garden]

dont get your hopes up, lol

[unique oar]

just having a way to kill zombies from range wihout tons of noise would be a game changer

[floral plover]

Well that's certainly at least a little interesting

[dire garden]

that branch has been there since over a month

[midnight mesa]

for me its most of all about the fact that id finally have the ability to have ranged combat that does not require you to have limited ammunition

[unique oar]

thats a good point, hadnt thought about that

[timber trellis]

Keeping my fingers crossed too. Looking forward to archery inevitably being done as a sport as well

[midnight mesa]

because eventually, and actually pretty fucking quickly tbh on multiplayer servers, ammo runs very dry

[timber trellis]

Depending on how machines work I could see—probably as a mod—hitting a target triggering some machine

[midnight mesa]

Thatd be rather silly

[timber trellis]

I want it, give me the zedstone

[midnight mesa]

i mean dont get me wrong if that was a thing id use that to do shenanigans with it but for me this wouldnt at all feel PZ.

[floral plover]

Being able to set different respawn rules for different category of items would be game changing for large MP servers

[timber trellis]

Which is why I imagine it'd be better off as a mod. That sort of thing is entirely possible to do irl though so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility

[dire garden]

lawn mower blade traps?

redneck engineering

[timber trellis]

I was thinking a Rube Goldberg machine but that too

[dire garden]

with fences becoming breachable, base defense could really be fun

[unique oar]

traps would be really cool of there was a game event that caused zombies to actively move to your base, outside of the heli. by the time you have traps set up, you probably have cleared the area

[dire garden]

hope there's going to be some modders thinking of traps

[velvet kettle]

potato mine trap

[dire garden]

somebody write down potato launcher

[floral plover]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2964620527&searchtext=traps There's already this one made by Dane which is pretty neat

[minor moss]

me when

but then

so i

[dire garden]

mmmh, I'm more so thinking 7days to die kinda traps

absolutely insane and probably will rather kill you than zombies, but not every run has to be realistic, right?

[velvet kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-gif-21312121

just you wait until zombies in PZ send you one of these^

[dire garden]

i got the machine gun loaded come at me

[velvet kettle]

then questioning whether traps are realistic or not will be the least crucial question to think of

[hard wolf]

better start planting some peas huh!

how about a couple of sunflowers

[peak wraith]

excellent

[hard wolf]

Oh I know! Garlic!

Deter them at once!

[velvet kettle]

potato mine in PZ: craft a remote detonated pipe bomb, insert into potato, plant, wait until zombie horde is near to hit the trigger then SPUDOW

[peak wraith]

potato cannon as a weapon in PZ

[velvet kettle]

then this shows up

[balmy mango]

god I hope so

[fast vigil]

By the nine hells every time I look in here I swear the median IQ gets lower and lower

[balmy mango]

is it here? is the public test out

I'm fucking tweaking

[timber trellis]

Correlation is not causation, but this suggests it's worth investigating whether your being here lowers the median IQ

[fast vigil]

Walked straight into that didn't I?

[timber trellis]

You truly did

[fast vigil]

I just read someone complaining about new features getting shown in thursdoids tho so, I'm sure you can understand my point.

[midnight mesa]

oh sweet Avernus

[timber trellis]

Okay, fair

[graceful cosmos]

Everyone here screaming about release dates and I would genuinely just like to read the thursdoid

[midnight mesa]

well at the end of the day

we cracked the 4k message mark

[dire garden]

what even

i want more features, lemme see all the sparkly new toys

[velvet kettle]

[thorny raptor]

todae is the dae

[timber trellis]

These threads aren't for thursdoid discussions, they're for arguing 😡

[peak wraith]

Thursdoids save lives

[velvet kettle]

I’m eager to witness PZ’s popularity skyrocket when B42 drops

[hallow orchid]

Me too

[peak wraith]

I hope the playerbase and the number of players increase.

[hallow orchid]

I can hear Private Lime scream WHAHOAHAOHOOOWHAAA

It's going to

Such huge update + word of mouth will get you far

[velvet kettle]

no doubt. I project 200K+ members on Discord after the update

[crystal gyro]

I'm just glad that once the new system is in place then updates won't take as long since they've got a solid foundation to work with

[hallow orchid]

I think that's a bit too much.

[peak wraith]

imagine indiestone share holders be like once build 42 arrives

[hallow orchid]

Discord will collapse

[velvet kettle]

moderators gonna be working overtime

[crystal gyro]

Can't wait to see lots of new faces in this discord once b42 comes out!

[hard cliff]

Once b42 releases player count will boost through the roof

[velvet kettle]

perhaps an influx of 80K members to a Discord server is a bit too much indeed, but the update is gonna be amazing!

[willow geode]

what does this even mean

[graceful cosmos]

lmao im having a stroke reading that i think

[peak wraith]

does indiestone have investors?

[hallow orchid]

Doubt

This isn't a public game company on the stock market

[velvet kettle]

and indie game store*

[hard wolf]

how they would feel once b42 drops
probably ecstatic

[hallow orchid]

To be on the stock market, the company needs to have an influx of a lot of stocks being traded.

Scratch this.

[willow geode]

Don't need to be a publicly traded company for investors, the way it usually goes is that you get investors and they push for an IPO to recoup some of their investment

But no

[hallow orchid]

I think it all depends on whether the company is public or private.

[willow geode]

private companies take on investors all the time

[buoyant jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bogdanoff-dump-it-stocks-crypto-gif-20477588

[willow geode]

several funding rounds etc

[hallow orchid]

Is TIS a public company?

[willow geode]

the silicon valley way

No, but like I said it wouldn't need to be to take on investors.

Just as an example, Discord isn't publicly traded either, but since it's not making a lot of cash, investors from several of their funding rounds will likely push for an IPO at some point

[hallow orchid]

I see.

[willow geode]

Is how it often goes, especially for services that don't generate a lot of revenue themselves

[hallow orchid]

I guess I have some misconceptions about these things.

[willow geode]

Discord's a case where an IPO is basically inevitable though, it basically has no competition that's worth mentioning, and doesn't generate a ton of cash itself

[hard wolf]

IPO?

[hallow orchid]

initial public offering

[timber trellis]

Can I buy The Indie Game Store? Willing to pay like $100

Maybe $200 actually but that's my final offer

[hallow orchid]

I think you need more than $200

[timber trellis]

Okay fine $250

[hard wolf]

200 x 20000

[toxic onyx]

Imagine if Microsoft bought indie stone

[crystal gyro]

Will you guys take a nice vacation once b42 is out?
(Feel like you deserve some time off)

[hallow orchid]

No, I mean, in the several orders of ten thousands

[hoary slate]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[hard wolf]

hell nah, i dont wanna migrate my steam account to a microsoft account on poz

[hard cliff]

For Microsoft to pay off all the employees and shut down the company. No thanks 🤭

[hallow orchid]

They aren't crunching that hard. But this is up to them to decide.

If it's Nintendo, then it's a different story.

I think out of the big 3, only Nintendo hasn't shut down any studios.

Sony shut down their London Studio earlier this year.

Microsoft, you know all the studios.

[toxic onyx]

Never liked Nintendo

[velvet kettle]

nicely threaten them that you shall release Knox irl if you are unable to purchase TIGS

[hallow orchid]

But they are impressive with their employee retention.

[toxic onyx]

I mean

[hallow orchid]

You have to give credits to the company just on that alone.

[toxic onyx]

If Nintendo made more powerful consoles i would like it

[hallow orchid]

We'll see about that with Switch 2.

[toxic onyx]

I hate slow time and bad graphics

Yeah I am considering on giving a try to it

[hallow orchid]

For a mobile device, Switch is probably like up there. Not too high, but it is more powerful at the time of its release in 2017.

[hard cliff]

reading back on the previous dev blogs im hyped for the performance increase in b42

[timber trellis]

I would never resort to such shady tactics

But it would be a shame if my blackmail dossier on every single member of this discord were to be released...

[toxic onyx]

B42 is the only thing I’m hyped about this year

[hallow orchid]

I'm hyped to be able to play Timberborn Update 6.

So I have at least 2 things to look forward to.

[midnight mesa]

Wonder how this project wouldve turned out in B42

[velvet kettle]

[toxic onyx]

I am more excited in the height limit and the underground building

That update will make a huge difference in my Gotham City map

[crystal gyro]

Depth buffer and new lighting system is gonna be sick 🤩

[hard cliff]

Fr, the immersion is going to be great. Especially walking through the dark bunkers