D'ya Like Them GrappleZ

[orchid pond]

🤔 hmm

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[orchid pond]

You need The Indie Store?

[fluid kindle]

I NEED B42

I NEED IT

[orchid pond]

So do we all, and we will get it, when it's ready.

[marble vortex]

Hey my brodas!

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[timid trellis]

"The Indie Game Store" could be the name of a small video game store

moreso The Indie Game Store than The Indie Game Store to make it more authentically 90s

[hallow orchid]

Every time someone mentions, "I need Build 42!" or similar, Build 42 gets delayed by 1 month PER MESSAGE.

This sums up the experience here.

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[proud tartan]

This is a discussion post

[minor moss]

Should the blog post be this coming Thursday?

[gusty cradle]

I would love it that they do that, that way people shut up about the release

[quasi nebula]

Since there are going to be diffrent generators will we need difrent levels in electric skill or will we need more parts to repair them?

[gusty cradle]

Perhaps

[winter crag]

I'm gonna ask it,
Why update?

Project Zomboid is fun. Why ruin it with more mechanical depth, balancing and features? Is our hubris just so that we think that it can be improved, or are we in actuality flying too close to the sun, destined to drown for daring to grasp the blessed basements?

Nay. We must destroy Build 43. Before it destroys us.

[gusty cradle]

Isn't literally the point of mods to add more depth, balancing and features ...?

[winter crag]

Heresy

[forest grove]

I think the unpaid modders should make updates for the game

Devs did their work already.

[winter crag]

'Brother May I have some oats', but we take the IP of IGS

[winter crag]

We need mods that strip features from the game. Eating food? Get rid of it, it's worthless. Starving to death is the real sigma move.

[winter crag]

I wonder what the dev's favourite upcoming features are.

[gusty cradle]

Crafting perhaps ?

I think it will be the most exciting feature for modders

[gusty cradle]

Nah fuck no, I don't have time to be the dev of the game

[hard wolf]

what do you mean bark laughing

[hallow orchid]

Next Thursday. It's always the last Thursday of the month.

[hallow orchid]

Issue is the game isn't moddable enough to do so.

[tepid fractal]

getting a huge modding update in b42

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-kidding-me-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-being-serious-are-you-joking-right-now-gif-18209844833209930760

[hallow orchid]

Can you actually mod the game that you can disable core features?

Like food? I never heard this being possible.

[hard wolf]

you could certainly have a mod that keeps the hunger bar always full

[deep marsh]

I can't think of a single part of the game that's inaccessible, though it becomes more cumbersome and intricate the deeper you go, or the number of interconnected systems you're trying to change.

Like N3na3 said, you could simply always keep the hunger bar full. You could remove the hunger system altogether-- after doing so, you could choose to remove food & water altogether, or choose to leave it in to provide an "action game"-style powerup.

As long as you're willing to go one step at a time and understand the larger picture as you go, there's very little stopping you from accomplishing whatever you want.

Just stealing the opportunity to do a mini-modder showcase;

https://youtu.be/hiDEpcKTbec

Arguably no one brings more whimsy to PZ than @rare shard 's "The Sims (2000)"-reminiscent mods that add immersion, music, hobbies, etc

@gusty cradle has done the pop culture world a favour with their Last of Us zombie overhaul mod;
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3248766883

Interested in getting involved? Know nothing about coding and always assumed it was a pipedream, only accessible to 'smart people'?

https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1125248330595848192

Come check out some of our guides designed at getting you past the awkward 'teen years' of coding and making your quirky ideas a reality!

[minor moss]

should be this thursday then

[hallow orchid]

There is May 30th... ?

As for Build 42, since there are so many changes, will there be balance changes towards character traits? I really wanted to know if there are balance tweaks to really undesirable traits, so that everyone can try the new traits out and such?

[minor moss]

oh yeah mb

[graceful cosmos]

Laugh so loud it sounds like a bark

[gusty cradle]

[fluid kindle]

I NEED IT

[rare shard]

thank you for the shout-out 🙂

[weak crest]

Indie Game Store construction...

Maybe it will be a company with stores and vans alike

[velvet kettle]

or a new VHS (or some other electronics) store

[hoary slate]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-willys-wonderland-gif-20293594

[orchid pond]

Anything is possible with the power of mods. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3132661448

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3134741869

First one just removes hunger and thirst, second one removes the other moodles as well

[timber trellis]

Can it even be called project zomboid without the pasta

(your edit does not save you from my typo teasing)

[orchid pond]

😆 I love it

Part of me was tempted to leave it as noodles

[timber trellis]

It was powerful

[orchid pond]

Stupid phone not knowing what a noodle is

[timber trellis]

Want to make PZ not a survival game? Remove noodles

[orchid pond]

a true horror game

[timber trellis]

Also recent response reminded me I never replied: very true, but I feel like a lot of non-dev gamers can still think critically enough to not be indie game store guy

[velvet kettle]

TIS? Nope. It’s IGS now

along with the revamped logo

[orchid pond]

Amazing 😍

[hallow orchid]

I rest my case.

[timber trellis]

Latest indie game store tweet confirms oboes in b42?? Perhaps rats will be able to form an orchestra??

[velvet kettle]

they cook and they will NOW be able to form bands?

simply astounding, IGS

[weak crest]

Oh indie game store

what a silly little meme that has been created here

[velvet kettle]

btw I hope B42 gets an official name change to "PZ: Caves and Cliffs update" since we are getting basements and skyscrapers

[gusty cradle]

lol

[fresh lichen]

Project underground map is awesome, still early and in alpha, but its been a fun play through on it with the crew so far 🙂

[orchid pond]

That is good to hear, it looks neat - been meaning to mess around on it 😁

[thin bolt]

I hope b42 is delayed

[velvet kettle]

maybe to January 1st, 2025 12:00:00 AM

[orchid pond]

[thin bolt]

No no, that's the old moodle

He Is dead now

[fresh lichen]

One day, our grandkids will get to play b42

[thin bolt]

This is our new overlord

[orchid pond]

When are we getting those as emotes 🤔

For discord

[thin bolt]

Good question

[orchid pond]

But if The Indie Store delays it as you hope then he isn't dead yet.

One day, but not quite yet

[thin bolt]

Delaying the inevitable

[orchid pond]

"This is how Anxiety Moodle Man died."

[pine wagon]

Bro has truly embraced the madness of the thursdoid thread

[clever scaffold]

Got early access to build 42

[peak wraith]

Lol

[forest grove]

2.5d cdda???

damn

[proud tartan]

last thursday of every month

[proud tartan]

fr, I need that tile pack

[clever scaffold]

it comes with the latest experimental build

[proud tartan]

oh heellll yeah

[hallow orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/lullaby-tom-and-jerry-cat-falling-asleep-goodnight-gif-12192381

[proud tartan]

that looks gorgeous

[peak wraith]

almost to the end of this month for another juicy thursdoid.

[tepid fractal]

next week

is zomboid 2.5d

[graceful cosmos]

Does anyone know what final element Indie Game Store was referring to when they said

"It’s been a really big week for us, as we merged the** second-to-last element of Build 42** into the main codebase across the rest of the team – which is the long awaited tech upgrade which brings a whole host of improvements to the engine."

• https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/01/hmm-upgradez/

Was it the crafting rework or the animals? I assume animals but I feel like I'm always seeing one update or another about crafting, so I'm not really sure.

[hallow orchid]

Crafting. The last element is probably animations

[velvet kettle]

iirc the last element entails MP bug fixes

and improvements

[hallow orchid]

Hmmm, I thought it would be the engine animation stuffs

Actually, that falls under "improvements"

Nevermind

[graceful cosmos]

Makes sense, the last 3 thursdoids have been about either modding, performance optimizations, or animations, so that checks out

Ah, interesting. In the Leapdoid they said the following re: Crafting,

We’ve got something ready to go into the internal build, but in its current WIP form still needs some polish – and probably isn’t quite ready to show off before its rough edges have been smoothed out.

so maybe they're just doing odds and ends as the crafting gets finalized

[hallow orchid]

They did state they are 2/3 done with the weapons

So they still have ways to go with them.

[graceful cosmos]

Sounds like you're right tho, there is still some work to be done with animals + mp

[orchid pond]

My brain took it as the engine optimizations are in and the last thing is the crafting (which they talk about being a bottle neck)

[hallow orchid]

I want them to put it off until Build 43.

[graceful cosmos]

lmao. no way! so close!

[hallow orchid]

Sounds like this upcoming Thursdoid will be explaining about things related to animations, armors crafting, and more weapon stuffs. And then the next Thursdoid after that would be optimization stuffs or multiplayer stuffs. And then I can see them having either 1 or 2 more Thursdoid about polishing before Build 42 gets an ETA.

The animation -> optimization is more closer to modding support, by the way.

[graceful cosmos]

In terms of messaging, I would probably consider "bug fixes" not to necessarily be one of the pillars of their release. it's kind of a given, in a sense, and something they can do during unstable to a degree. So my best guess is that the remaining element is finishing up the crafting, other teams are working on bugs and animations (one offs in a way), and the MP team is always on MP

[orchid pond]

No ETAs just dropped

As we know ETAs are not The Indie Store's MO

[hallow orchid]

You mean, Build 42 will just get released without warning on a Thursdoid?

[orchid pond]

Correct

[hallow orchid]

Ok, then no ETAs, but that will leave us with 3 or 4 more Thursdoid before we get 42

[orchid pond]

They have never given a warning for any previous build, I don't expect one for this one

[graceful cosmos]

good to know

[hallow orchid]

Unless they are putting all resources on specific edge cases that are super difficult to fix....

Necessary for smooth gameplay

[orchid pond]

Won't even necessarily be on a Thursdoid either

Could be tomorrow or an hour from now

[graceful cosmos]

this enrages and excites me

[orchid pond]

Lol

[graceful cosmos]

each moment a new possibility

[hallow orchid]

I prefer giving a heads up warning.

Hated if they drop it suddenly, because then I would have to get tormented to finish my day job before I can play it.

[graceful cosmos]

lmao I for one am pretty excited. I was just thinking, aw man, if they give an ETA its gonna be at least a month out. this way as soon as its ready, we get it

instead of some arbitrary buffer time for marketing etc

[hallow orchid]

Yeah, having an ETA makes things smoother.

[orchid pond]

When B41 dropped they didn't make a post about it till a few days later

[hallow orchid]

And also, we can finally cut down the number of "when B42" questions.

[graceful cosmos]

same with it releasing that day 😂

[orchid pond]

When B43

[hallow orchid]

😭

[orchid pond]

😅

You know it is coming

[graceful cosmos]

"Does this game have NPCs?"

"I think it would be cool if this game had NPCs - hear me out"

[hallow orchid]

"Oh we do have NPCs. They are just animals though."

[graceful cosmos]

"they should do a first person mode"

[velvet kettle]

yeah I can't remember if or where they mentioned this was the last element, but it's probably animals/crafting being integrated into MP as you mentioned

image below from the Walk in the Woodz blog post.

[graceful cosmos]

this was Jan 2023 for context

yeah i bet its Animals in MP, and Crafting, as the major blockers

server inventory is gonna be a game changer for MP desyncs all on its own

low key tho, the best part is gonna be.....

the fishing minigame

[orchid pond]

My hope is that it doesn't bloat the amount of RAM per user

[graceful cosmos]

on the host machine?

[orchid pond]

Correct

[orchid pond]

True, I am very curious how the spear one will work

[graceful cosmos]

I don't see inventory of a couple dozen MP clients as a significant management task for a server, its likely just a list of item IDs for each client. I'd imagine constantly calculating pathing for a couple hundred zombies and animals in a given cell is probably more demanding

probably just a holdover from when it was SP

but i of course, could be wrong

rendering the 32 floors is honestly impressive, they must have done an enormous amount of work in performance (i think it was 32?)

zomboid starts slowing down for me when i zoom out too far 😂

definitely render-heavy

[orchid pond]

Exciting times

[velvet kettle]

destroying basement stairs and trapping your friends in there

[graceful cosmos]

correcting myself...

We’re still in the process of adding basement spots around the map – whether random or permanent. However, as discussed previously, the new upgraded engine allows support for levels from -32 to +32. - https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/01/hmm-upgradez/
So actually 64 floors, total, even though 0 is ground level, presumably? I didn't get the impression there would be a "terrain" of any kind.

i also could have sworn there was a thursdoid about improving the render code, but i literally may have dreamt it.

After going back through that animals are looking quite good. last time we heard about them, it was in reference to animal crafting stations being added

further supports the assumption that its crafting forever until release

*As many will be aware we have been focused on anti-cheat functionality for the last several months which is now being finalized: preventing cheating with inventory and items by moving their processing from clients to the server.

Clearly simultaneous to this we have also been working on the integration of new 42-specific gameplay – most notably adding support for animals into MP.

We have also been moving the team onto the fixes, feature requests and changes we have heard from the community.*
To me, this sounds like, we have extra room in our cycles to spend it on community requests, so I'm betting necessary stuff for MP unstable has concluded in the last 7 weeks.

As for animations, it sounds like they're suggesting grappling animation would come after unstable release, so that team has already moved onto post-unstable work

As a prototype, and most its likely first application in B42 once the Unstable beta is underway, we made the player able to pick up and drag a corpse.

[orchid pond]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/02/play-your-cardz-right/ this entire blogpost is basically talking about how they did that

[graceful cosmos]

Thanks, I wanted to look at it again!!

[orchid pond]

np! ❤️

[graceful cosmos]

Zomboid? Not so much. We have to draw every individual godforsaken goddamned tile: every bit of lighting, every bit of grass, completely from scratch, every frame, every time. And when you zoom out? Wuh-woh shaggy. You’re now asking for trouble.
Theres that zoom slowdown

speaking of the grass, thats probably the small update im most excited for. That, the fishing minigame, and the door opening animation.

[hallow orchid]

I'm excited for the animals, mainly because I can then be able to hunt and survive off of alternate food sources other than fish to be able to stay calories-sufficient during winter on challenge maps.

(Kingsmouth)

[velvet kettle]

and on the planned Many Years Later map too

[rigid magnet]

will they add bicycle one day ?

[orchid pond]

I hope so

[radiant eagle]

bicycle and LA

btw, there is mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2988491347

[stable agate]

she project on my zomboid til i build 42

[graceful cosmos]

bravens bicycles is pretty sick!

[weak crest]

Arguably the perfect vehicle for a zombie apocalypse

Minus the lack of storage

[graceful cosmos]

And, ya know. The access points

[tepid fractal]

please

the basket some bikes have is enough if u try

[gusty cradle]

You can even have satchels on bikes

[graceful cosmos]

Roll with a human size hamster ball around everything but the wheels and you're unbeatable.

Like... one big helmet

[fleet harness]

I had a dream b42 came out and I was so happy I cried

[graceful cosmos]

The other night I had a dream about a specific thursdoid topic. Not even release. Sad

[fleet harness]

I remember I saw a squirrel running with a hit bar thing on it

Circle*

[glass viper]

Does anyone know, if when the animals are added, will rats be able to destroy food supplies?

[weak crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bike-fridge-gif-25119624

[deep marsh]

If it's not a vanilla feature, myself or someone more talented will mod it in

[glass viper]

Probably not a place to discuss this. But I've learned from people who spend time on boats, roaches are attracted to the canned food paper labels.
So people usually rip them off and write the name of the food with a shaprie.

[forest grove]

im pretty sure devs mentioned that in a blogspot that talked about rats

🐀

[deep marsh]

There's enough pests around that we might as well discuss roaches here.

That's wild to think about though; I imagine you need to approach so many things differently when trying to survive isolated on a ship in the middle of the ocean for long periods of time.

[glass viper]

Yeah could be fun to add something like rat poison / general pesticide to protect food. On the other hand, the devs don't want to turn the game into a "micro management simulator" which can be debated.

Then again, I'm one of the crazies that think bodily functions should be part of the game, and that's listed as a "hard no" on the website.

[timid trellis]

I’m glad they said no to it, personally

[glass viper]

I get why people are against it. I just thought it'd be an interesting addition for when the water gets shut off. You'd sort of have to be careful where you do your business, otherwise you could risk getting sick. They already sort of have this with corpses. If you hang around corpses too much, your character gets sick and suddenly dies.

So I thought human waste wouldn't be such a giant leap. I think it could be done in a way where it's not intrusive. But I totally get why they're against it.

[timid trellis]

I don’t think it really adds anything, there’s no real nuance to it that determines or is determined by anything in particular.

It’s pretty insignificant and can be had waived as something your character does on their own without input

[glass viper]

I think it adds some sort of looming, invisible danger though, like corpses. And would give another dimension maybe to how a base is planned.
So if you decided to stay in the city, you could maybe take advantage of existing pipes, but if you're in the woods, you'd have to figure out an outhouse or something.
The waste could be collected and used as fertilizer, or could cause disease like cholera if left to pile up.

[deep marsh]

Again, that's already been modded in 😛

Food spoilage from pests would absolutely make for interesting gameplay, whether it's included in vanilla or not-- having to consider whether the food is stored safely, off the ground, etc.

[glass viper]

I know. I've seen mods for it, but haven't really tried them out, because if it's added as a mere "This bar fills/depletes, so perform [insert action] to reset bar".
Then yeah, I'd agree that would be pointless micromanaging for the sake of "realism". But like I've said above, it would be more intersting if there was a whole system behind it. Nothing too complex. Just a generic "get sick" if waste piles up, or can use it as fertilizer etc...

Yeah I'm on the fence about certain things. It's a game after all, so fun should be priority. So I understand why the devs would be hesitant to give official support towards anything that could severely steer the game into an unwanted direction/

[outer echo]

Next theusdoid is tomorrow right?

[glass viper]

I think it's always on the last Thursday of the month, right?

[frigid ore]

No

One more week

[outer echo]

: (

[glass viper]

Yeah. It do be like that. We're all waiting in anticipation.

My current run in the game is almost 10 months, I have enough food and guns to feed and kill Louisville. Lategame gets pretty stale.

[proud tartan]

dog it says right there "which is the long awaited tech upgrade which brings a whole host of improvements to the engine"

[graceful cosmos]

in that sentence, "which" is referring to the second to last element, not the last.

I was asking after the "last" element, given that this was the "second to last"

[orchid pond]

From my understanding you do not want human waste as fertilizer as it risks parasites and disease due to us eating meat.

[glass viper]

Yeah it can't be used directly. Human waste needs to be composted first if I remember correctly.

[orchid pond]

Hot compost yea

[velvet pewter]

having human waste mechanics only makes sense if you have afflictions to go with it imo, like instead of just getting a nausea moodle from eating bad food you get digestive problems instead

which would dehydrate you or whatever else depending on what kind of digestive problems

[thin bolt]

Haha pee pee poo poo

[graceful cosmos]

haha pee pee poo poo

[glass viper]

I'd be totally for something like that. The balance would have to be right though, so the game doesn't revolve around it. Lots of mods mess that up, like that one "realistic hunger" one for Skyrim, where you basically have to eat a cheese wheel every couple of hundred steps.

[deep marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/908422782554107904/1200164164715426013 Sounds like you'd be interested in Angry's Lifestyle mods (especially the upcoming Homestead addon). When I said they were "The Sims (2000)"-themed, I might not have accentuated how well crafted this mod is and how vanilla it feels. (I linked to the testing page; please only follow this link if you genuinely want to help give feedback, otherwise search for 'lifestyle' on the workshop)

I struggle with immersing myself in games, and unfortunately just break everything down, viewing it all through the lens of "gameplay mechanics", but the Lifestyle mods make the game feel a lot more rich

[glass viper]

Says I don't have access to that link. It's marked as "unknown"

I can't even post pictures. Might be because I'm still new to the server.

[velvet kettle]

probably reserved for the “Undisclosed” role

[timber trellis]

I imagine it's a link to the unofficial modding discord

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

1 to 2 month guys!

You guys can print!

[orchid pond]

👀

[velvet kettle]

probably setting myself up for disappointment but still betting on July 9 (Tuesdoid)

if not then I’m going with

oddly, also a Tuesdoid

[graceful cosmos]

Your guess has been noted

[velvet kettle]

[proud tartan]

I'm literally illiterate and completely read it wrong, my bad dog

[silver urchin]

THURSDOOOOOOIIIIIID !!! 😭

[digital token]

Tuesdoid today?

[balmy mango]

What number is this

[winter crag]

No generator magazines for you, mate.

[glass viper]

No Thursdoid this month, because they'll release b42.

[winter crag]

100%

[hard wolf]

I pray

if the summer passes us by without our beloved 42, i will kill my self!

[peak wraith]

😮

[glass viper]

That would definitely be pretty sweet. But I fear the worst b42 wil drop in like Septepmber of October.

[gusty cradle]

Possibly later lol

[peak wraith]

late 2024 is a possibility.

[timber trellis]

I think we'll get unstable release tomorrow and then stable release the day after that

Sorry, that was ridiculous. They wouldn't have the stable release on a weekend. Unstable release today, stable release tomorrow

[deep marsh]

Sorry about that; still new to how Discord works sometimes.

Here's the link to join the Modding Discord first https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1125248330595848192

[hearty osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-breakfast-slam-angry-hungry-gif-15219977

B42

[deep marsh]

Hey man,

I know we're all really excited about B42, but joking about self-harm or suicide isn't appropriate. It's a serious topic and can be distressing for others to come across.

The devs are hard at work, and have enough on their plates without having to worry about the mental health of players due to game updates.

Let's try to keep the conversation positive & supportive for everyone; though I encourage you to seek available resources if you're feeling overwhelmed or need someone to talk to.

💜

[gusty cradle]

harber being the blog police

https://tenor.com/view/police-prison-police-officer-pcso-gif-27570764

[deep marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

• seeing a casual suicide mention and deciding to say nothing ^

[glass viper]

Worry not @hard wolf wrote "my self" instead of "myself" thus killing the self can be interpreted as getting shitfaced. All is good.

[deep marsh]

Ahh! Like taking a heroic dose of shrooms and dissolving your Ego.

Worry averted! 🙂

[glass viper]

You know what I'm sayin'

[proud tartan]

May still has a Thursday left

[peak wraith]

^

[willow geode]

This tbh.
Some peoples approach might not change until they're hit with a loved one taking their life and I don't wish that on anyone.

[gusty cradle]

Harber is now officially the blog police then I guess

But yes you are right guys

[deep marsh]

I'm not trying to boss anyone around, I'm expressing empathy. 🫤

God, where's the "I NEED IT" guy when you need him to break up the conversation?

!NonCancerAlias

[peak wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-gif-14006288

PZ community in a nutshell

[compact pawn]

I know this is like a build away, but human npcs is pretty interesting to think abt, like can you imagine living your whole play through for months in West Point, having a small group of npcs and then going to Louisville only to discover a whole commonwealth (walking dead shit) ah faction, that’d be sick.

[wintry edge]

Agree

[frigid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-smoking-fire-burning-lag-gif-19373925

[orchid pond]

As someone who lost their father to suicide I appreciate you typing this. ❤️

[deep marsh]

🫂 ❤️

[orchid pond]

This would be so cool, I am excited for that sort of thing for sure 😄

[deep marsh]

Definitely excited to see how it could turn out!

Imagine you're struggling, barely finding any food, then you come across a small encampment that has lots of supplies...

[hallow orchid]

There is a lot you can do with proper human NPCs. Lots of possibilities. Lots of modding potentials.

What I'm curious to know about is if we can do some hand-to-hand combat like simple fistfights (boxing) or kicking (MMA-style) when we encounter hostile human NPCs.

Or at the very least, just knock the player out, but still keep the player alive

[orchid pond]

I feel like with that anchor point system hand to hand is probably more likely

[hallow orchid]

Making it so the game doesn't totally punish you just because you got knocked out clean by a human NPC is something I wanted to see Project Zomboid enhance in the combat mechanic.

[orchid pond]

you get knocked out and put into a cell

gotta find a way to escape now

[hallow orchid]

At least you are alive.

[orchid pond]

would be so cool

[hallow orchid]

That's the main takeaway for me

The game giving you a second chance at life.

Maybe some human NPCs would be sympathetic to your plight, so they are neutral rather than hostile towards you.

It makes surviving much more realistic.

[orchid pond]

puts a key in your food

[hallow orchid]

Contrabands in isolated bases would make the game so much more alive....

[compact pawn]

So many cool ideas could come from npcs,

You could come across deserted overrun survivor bases

Not like the lame boarded up houses, like actual bases

Not that I don’t.. like the boarded up houses, it’d just be cool to see something different!

[deep marsh]

"Oh, this is a pretty cool camp you've made, me and my roaming pack of 30 bedraggled survivors are tired and hungry, so we're just going to stay here with you. Now, that's not going to be a problem, is it? You seem to have enough to share, and we'll only take our rightful share."

[compact pawn]

And there might even be more types than just survivors there could be cultists late game, or cannibals

Zombie pets would be funny, and what I mean by zombie pets is being able to chain up a zombie

[deep marsh]

Going full Michonne

[compact pawn]

Permanent wounds would be cool too, like being blinded in one eye by a weapon

[thorny raptor]

or scars

[orchid pond]

Scars would be awesome

[hallow orchid]

I wanted the human NPCs do use Monte-Carlo Search Tree for decision-making, and NEAT genetic algorithm to let the human NPCs take actions more swiftly and with more automation.

Don't need to use proximal policy optimizations or reinforcement learning.

[orchid pond]

You can take a look at what the NPCs decision making might look like, Lemmy wrote a paper of AI behavioral trees in 2014

Obviously his knowledge has grown a ton since then, but it gives a general sense of what we might be looking at

[glass viper]

Is there a link to the paper? I'm interested.

[orchid pond]

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/programming/behavior-trees-for-ai-how-they-work

Pretty sure a lot of people's research for game AI leads them to this paper, it is the number one search result when you look into behavioral trees

[glass viper]

Thanks man, I'll take a look. Might come in handy if I ever make a game of my own.

[orchid pond]

Heck yea! ❤️

No problem 😁

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[midnight mesa]

Next week
More fillerdoid

Are you excited for more fillerdoid?

I sure am excited for more fluffy fillerdoid

[deep jolt]

Don't you DARE insult my fluffoids...

Also I wanted to ask if any devs were to swing by, are Bears still confirmed? As one of the 'doids from 2014 said we would be seeing Red Pandas and American Black Bears

[silver urchin]

I'd just be waiting for modders to add wolves, bears and other hostile animals

[rigid magnet]

i will still need to read the damn generator magazine ?

[stable agate]

RAHHHH I NEED BUILD 42!!!!!

[hearty osprey]

No

B42 is mine

[granite dagger]

Bro..... give it back

[hearty osprey]

No way, that's why they cant release it

B42 is my hostage

[odd totem]

I'd like to see more complex stuff like that but without going into full brutality, I wouldn't like to see someone's beloved grandmother character getting her eyes poked out or something

[willow geode]

Wimp

[odd totem]

If you want pointless brutal misery, there's always The Last of Us!

[willow geode]

Or Project Zomboid

It's the apocalypse, sissy

https://tenor.com/view/jeffreydeanmorgan-negan-smiling-gif-7612247

[stable agate]

I would

actual random name i encountered

[gusty cradle]

Oh hey hello there

👀

Also I really don't see TLOU as "pointless brutal misery"

And none of the people who played it see it that way

The story has never been about misery but in all of the games it was a lot about grief or trauma, in the first game in the form of hope and the second one in the form of vengeance

[winter crag]

I disagree that the brutal misery is 'pointless' specifically.

There are plenty of points in the brutal misery. Bullet points, knife points, ect.

[winter crag]

Obsessed with the idea of a character breaking into someone's house, with like a note reading like how they locked themselves in a room so they can't hurt anyone anymore, and the dude breaking into the room to hit the zombie with an RKO

[woeful hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-twd-the-walking-dead-laugh-shane-laugh-gif-27660653

[woeful hearth]

I thought that's what grappling would go towards tbh, to be able to search someone or hug/brawl with them
Not to mention maybe a zed would be able to grab a hold of our bag and we'd have to let it go to escape (I may have already said this in the thread though)

[tepid fractal]

would the grappling system be used in combat? i could see it being used to make combat 3x more satisfying and immersive

like putting ur hand on a zeds shoulder or neck then stabbing it clean in the middle with a cleaver

meh im just fantasizing

its just cool to think abt a weapon actually getting lodged in a zed

weapon collision with zeds is basically what im trying to say

[willow geode]

🤫

[tepid fractal]

am i onto something

[woeful hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-the-walking-dead-walking-dead-negan-jeffrey-dean-morgan-gif-8457910

[compact pawn]

That reminds me, there can totally be a Negan type npc when the npcs come out, I think a line up event would be pretty cool, especially if it’s a mix of real friends and npcs

[hearty osprey]

Imagine a npc which will stalk you bc you killed some of its relatives

[woeful hearth]

It's wishful thinking but I hope the NPCs will be individual agents that can be modded from scratch, similar to how OpenTTD does it
That way you could mod in any character you'd like and each NPC would have a unique look and feel

But I'm more curious if we could set our characters on long running servers to go autopilot when we disconnect instead of them disappearing for everyone else

[weak crest]

I can imagine an NPC sneaking into your house and trying to kill you when you're not expecting it. New fear unlocked

[deep marsh]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Patch_0.2.0a

Vietnam-style flashbacks occur

[fleet harness]

Any day now

At the edge of my seat

[fleet harness]

I can’t wait 🤤

[hallow orchid]

Wasn't it confirmed you don't age in the game? No one is going to be a grandmother.

[hallow orchid]

Yes, unfortunately.

[willow geode]

No

#1233073448515797032 message

[gusty cradle]

[light chasm]

😢 why!!!! It was so nice!

And now there are many different models it could be super cool looking for the right magazine😭

[graceful cosmos]

Hard disagree LOL I actually just had a playthrough where I was like level 7 mechanic, can fix an entire car stem to stern but look at one generator and be like "the fuck is this??!". Always thought it was unrealistic that it wouldn't have at least mentioned it in the numerous books I've read

[odd totem]

The apocalypse is what you make it! Don't be a toxic male!

[graceful cosmos]

Couldn't find the magazine spawned anywhere; I spent hours of real time playing with a generator in my front yard and no idea how to turn it on

[willow geode]

https://tenor.com/view/stfu-gif-8851895

[willow geode]

You're an alien here lol

First person that liked having to find mags 😄

[odd totem]

I'm exaggerating but from what I heard about the second one it seems so pointlessly violent and grim I have no interest in playing it, same with watching the Walking Dead

[graceful cosmos]

I like the magazines for a lot of recipes! Just not the generator one

[willow geode]

Well you listened to incels that whined about their favourite character dying

That's on you

[gusty cradle]

The way I see it is that it just shows how vengeful Ellie is

[odd totem]

There can always be people who start off old lol

[willow geode]

None of it was pointless imo. You're robbing yourself of a good story and game

[odd totem]

I'll survive!

[gusty cradle]

Devs actually fighting, lovely

[willow geode]

Who's fighting

That's right, we are

Snap u in half

[gusty cradle]

[willow geode]

I watched every fight of Conor McGregor, I know how the irish tick

[odd totem]

Nasko's poking my eyes out because I baked him a nice apple pie!

[gusty cradle]

No idea who that is haha

[willow geode]

Pop-pop Bren can geddit

[odd totem]

Conor McGregor is to Ireland as (insert incredibly problematic person) is to Germany

[gusty cradle]

And we don't get parts of it ? 😔

[willow geode]

He baked it for ME can't you read smh

[gusty cradle]

[willow geode]

It's not birthday cake so I don't have to share

[gusty cradle]

But it's my birthday in 3 days !

[willow geode]

Good luck getting him to make you a pie then

[gusty cradle]

What if I make him a pie ? Then he owes me a pie ?

[willow geode]

He's only got one eye left

[light chasm]

Luckily I'm not a dev otherwise every single thing should be learned by a mag if is not part of your traits/career!

[velvet kettle]

Pat will give you a p-eye as opposed to a pie

[weak crest]

They only answered him when it was to correct someone else lol

[gusty cradle]

[hallow orchid]

Oh, I missed this.. Nice to know I'm wrong. But now I see someone saying they will miss this. My feedback to solve this problem is to turn it into an unlockable. Generators can be used at all levels, but will be with low efficiency without magazines. And then after reading one, the player's efficiency increases greatly.

[weak crest]

Didn't know either I am glad

[light chasm]

Or just put a sandbox option no?

[hallow orchid]

You can't use sandbox options in challenge runs, without mods of course.

If we wanted to a good out-of-the-box experience, then we need to make the changes in the base game to reflect that. Hopefully my suggestion can be considered, so that it addresses all types of players.

[light chasm]

I never use the challenges and still u can always pick the right challenge and have it or not

[indigo yacht]

I didn't read everything, has the monthly blog been delayed?

[deep marsh]

Always the last Thursday of the month

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[marble vortex]

I'm pretty sure in 2 months at max, we will have something interesting!

[hallow orchid]

Question about animals and roadkills.

1. Do we actually get roadkills in this game?
2. Can we forage for uncooked meat on the road after Build 42 goes live?

[graceful cosmos]

I need to get myself a job where commenting in gaming threads qualifies as work

looks awesome

[hallow orchid]

That's how the famous StarCraft commentator, Day9, started his business as a telecaster.

Wooo, are we heading into competitive multiplayer in Project Zomboid?

[willow geode]

Weirdly unnecessarily feisty comment at hours that are past work

[timber trellis]

“past work”? That's really unamerican of you nasKo

Work hours are 12am to 11:59pm

[hallow orchid]

At least you will be guaranteed 2 Thursdoid blog posts, so those will be interesting to read.

[graceful cosmos]

As someone in web dev, I always imagined I wouldn't like working on games because it would make one of my favorite hobbies and past times "work". While you're here, and to any other game devs in the channel, I am curious if you find this to be true. Do you enjoy playing other games, or do you find you "see through" some of the suspension of disbelief/immersive elements? Do you use video games to "escape" or is it too similar to your work to enjoy in that sense? Do you enjoy playing your own game beyond playtesting?

[gusty cradle]

I thought the exact same tbf

[patent parcel]

I have a friend that works in game dev so not quite the same but can comment a bit based on what he told me.

He doesn't really enjoy playing games much anymore. He is usually sick of being on a computer all day working on games so he doesn't wanna play them. Been leaning more into his other hobbies. I can occasionally get him to play something but not too often these days. Although he seems to have a soft spot for overwatch and he'll still play D&D and board games no problem.

He does still seem to keep up on news and enjoys talking about games though.

[odd totem]

I felt like that when I first learned about how games are made but now I just appreciate the good ones more, because I know the time and effort that goes into them

I will say I have a lot less interest in playing story-based games, I need to play something I can listen to podcasts to while playing

[thorny raptor]

less that 1 week

[tepid fractal]

you know

we could see corpses getting ragdoll physics

other than the grappling thing rn

like when they die they go limp, we’ve already seen ragdolls with the falling from 32 floors vid

could give more death poses/animations other than the like 4 we have

[weak crest]

Depends on the timezone of where you're commenting from as well lel

[forest grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115028466132328560/1146798873038307328/1691855615650398450.gif

[lofty mauve]

Ostranauts is a good one to play while tuned in to a podcast. Still in early access, but the gameplay loop is plenty satisfying.

[weak crest]

Oh I do that with Terraria as well, mostly while building in that game

[deep marsh]

Depends on the game; they hate Project Zomboid but love CS2 & gambling

[graceful cosmos]

hahaha, given that i already spend my whole day on a computer I guess thats not really a concern

[hallow orchid]

Hmm? Cities: Skylines 2?

[patent parcel]

Fair lol
Yeah not really an issue for me either 😅

[timid trellis]

I can agree to that, a narrative isnt enough for me to enjoy a game

I particularly enjoy games that either have concrete objectives I can fulfill or a complex enough structure to make playing it feel 'authentic' in a way

I'd rather have an assortment of things to collect rather than a series of cutscenes

[lucid fractal]

Counter Strike 2 lol

[orchid pond]

Friend of mine is the same way except it just programming not game dev, but end result is very much the same. So we don't get to game together as often.

[nova palm]

My uncle works for Nintendo but can only enjoy Xbox games..... But seriously, I have much less free time now, and as things that used to take up a lot of time became "side quests" I see myself playing a lot less too. Either games with quick matches like Backpack Battles or multiplayer games I can play with my girlfriend

[graceful cosmos]

Lmaooo me hearing about all these people who understandably don't want to game after coding all day: DISGUSTING CASUALS.

No, I do get it though. I struggle with this, something that I really enjoy is gaming with a controller on the couch when I've been at my desk all day. I just love gaming, don't wanna give it up!

I think it would be a step too far if I was coding a game

Thank you for your sacrifice 🙏

I think over time in the saas industry I've totally lost the interest in actually coding for fun outside of work, so this all checks out

[timber trellis]

I still code for fun outside of work, but definitely less than before

[proud tartan]

electrical 3

[rigid magnet]

i know that but

[short flax]

Will PZ eventually remove floating structures being possible? eg. wooden floor bridges without support and player built structures with no staircase or bottom floor.

Feels like it could be an oversight if more content is being added to surviving long term. It is easy to make impenetrable bases by using exploits like those.

[odd totem]

I'd like to see it but it would basically need some physics stuff, I'm told. Expect for now to be able to entirely destroy the bottom floor of a skyscraper and have it floating!

[hard wolf]

Me destroying the bottom of a skyscraper to crush the zombie population with a big tower

[winter crag]

The Walking Dead lost me because it was just misery porn. After a while, it got boring. Like, it's to the point that I didn't really give a shit about new characters because I assumed (rightly) that they'd just die off later. It's the "fuck, we need to build more bridges to burn" style of writing a TV show.

[winter crag]

Taking bets rn

[winter crag]

I'd dislike this because it'd increase the amount of skills to learn without much sense in why. I could see being able to like, overhaul the generator with electrical skill, but having the same type of unaltered generator shared by two players give out different amounts of power would be goofy.

[winter crag]

This tbh. The one minute break is actually why B42 isn't out yet.

[winter crag]

Looney Toons-ass post

[woeful hearth]

How do I accelerate sleep IRL to see the Thursdoid sooner?

[odd totem]

Don't waste your life waiting for a Thursdoid!!!

[timber trellis]

Day 30 with no Thursdoid. I've stopped going to work days ago, pointless when there's no Thursdoid to bring light into my life. I'm sat in front of my computer, refreshing projectzomboid.com/blog, salivating. I know it won't come for days, but I'll keep hoping for a miracle. I have my food delivered now, so I can get back to my desk to refresh the webpage as soon as possible. It will come. I can't give up hope. It will come. It will come

[vale sentinel]

I have been left in the dark. When is thursdoid here? Is it thursday yet? I have been lost, I don't know my name, what day it is, all I know is that Thursdoid will soon be here, and when it comes, it might be too late for me.

I left some food next to my desk for anyone still alive when it comes, save yourself, and remember that thursdoid is soon.

[vernal pine]

I’ve spend the last month clicking refresh on the project zomboid website non stop, hoping that by some miracle that the the glorious thursdoid will materialize in front of my exhausted eyes. My desperation and hope for the monthly blessing of a thursdoid has reached a point that I’ve been seeing illusions of a new thursdoid, but when I blink my eyes, tired from staring at the screen for hours at a time, the blessing that I thought had finally arrived had been nothing but a mere mental delusion brought on by countless sleepless nights. Is this a punishment by our sick twisted gods? I don’t know. All I know is that one day thursdoid will one day arrive and I will be the one too witness it and feel happiness and warmth at it’s light before it dies out and the next month begins and the cycle of suffering and false hope begins again

[hard wolf]

guys, its not that deep, just invade TIS HQ for the thrusdoid

[deep marsh]

**TIGS

[hallow orchid]

Come on now, gotta be realistic

[hard wolf]

right, the indie game store

[hallow orchid]

That is not going to stop us from waiting.

[orchid pond]

Oh so now you tell me, after I plan my week around Thursdoid (Formally Mondoid) for the past 12 years.

😉

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[winter crag]

I tried, but they have fucking arrow slits in their walls???

Soul Filcher manning the catapult also added difficulty.

[thorny raptor]

F4

[winter crag]

Wait, do you sleep slowly? What?

[hard wolf]

I fall asleep in 1 hours

[thorny raptor]

same

i can't stop thinking

[peak wraith]

Thursdoids are the best things ever.

5 more days until next dev blog.

[gusty cradle]

4*

[hard wolf]

actually its 5 days

[thorny raptor]

ain't it 4?

because they post it on thursday?

[hard wolf]

its a monthdoid at this point

[proud tartan]

Sunday isn't over enough not to count it

[peak wraith]

lol

maybe we will get some good information from the May blog post.

[thorny raptor]

ooh, it's 22:29 pm here

[peak wraith]

its 4:50 PM in my time zone and it still Sunday lol

[smoky quiver]

next devblog on my birthday let's hope it b42 full release is out

[kind nymph]

Let's hope so

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[hallow orchid]

Anyone knows what time period is usually when they post the Thursdoid? I need UTC.

I don't want some daylight saving time to mess up with the schedules.

[orchid pond]

It's usually about around noon my time, so like 7pm UTC?

Some times earlier some times later though so no one really knows

[hallow orchid]

Thanks, that will be good enough.

[winter crag]

Why do you keep checking the roadmap?

[marble vortex]

Every week moves by a pixel!

[winter crag]

😂

Got me there.

In case you weren't joking, the roadmap hasn't been updated since January 7th.

I realise you problably were joking, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[marble vortex]

Why would I be joking? It's really moving! Do you really not understand the easteregg made by the devs???

[winter crag]

I, uh,
Did you like, measure out the pixel distances? Or are you just kinda going off the Mk.1 eyeball?

[peak wraith]

Thursdoid could be interesting this month

[orchid pond]

My body is ready.

[peak wraith]

once this May Thursdoid happens we only have 6 more thursdoid blog posts left in 2024

[orchid pond]

[crystal gyro]

Hmmm...how many thursdoids would they wait before switching back to the biweekly schedule once b42 is out?

[orchid pond]

It's possible they don't switch back

[deep jolt]

Back in my day (B40) they were weekly

[orchid pond]

It takes a lot of time out of their schedule to put together the post. It's the reason that dev studios that do a blog post, do it monthly.

[orchid pond]

Back in my day they were posted on Mondays 👴

[gusty cradle]

I don't have to teach y'all how to count ?????

[gusty cradle]

Wtf is this bro

[orchid pond]

They were counting the day they were currently going through in their count

[gusty cradle]

Which you don't lmao

[orchid pond]

shrugs

[gusty cradle]

Add 24h to do +1 day and you are tomorrow

[hallow orchid]

Add +1 day for each day we do not see Build 42 available.

[fast vigil]

I ain't even gonna post the survivor with the crack pipe y'all straight fiendin

[wise cosmos]

Bruh. Imagine being able to store food in Tupperware for decreased encumbrance. Before storing them in the fridge.

[peak wraith]

this is a nice attention to detail

[timber trellis]

This too, hype 🫵😯

[peak wraith]

Chinese takeout box good for hauling many of my Chinese food.

[timber trellis]

I really just want to eat off of a plate though

[peak wraith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_pail found this on the wiki for the name

snakes for build 42.

[timber trellis]

For anyone reading this that doesn't read tweets: that was just whoever runs the account saying the snake is cute, not a confirmation of snakes lol

[tepid fractal]

food overhaul??

[frosty moon]

Yummy snakes

[odd totem]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-metal-gear-gif-5571817

[proud tartan]

well done pat

[peak wraith]

soo much food in PZ just need proper recipes

[wise cosmos]

Hopefully, a lot of that's been done

[thorny raptor]

When you can't even say

my name

[forest grove]

food overhaul is build 50

[peak wraith]

baked potato recipe would be interesting.

[velvet kettle]

Brainz To Go takeout restaurant

[nova palm]

Because there is profit to be made in the apocalypse with all those zombie customers

[peak wraith]

finding some left over takeout food from restaurants in peoples homes sounds interesting.

[willow geode]

We gave wolves anxiety and eyebrows to turn them into dogs, why wouldn't we give the concept of commerce to zombies to turn them into customers.

[timber trellis]

Zombie domestication for the purpose of consumerism confirmed for b42 😯

[winter crag]

The Apocalypse happens
I still have to go to my 9-5

[wise cosmos]

I wonder if we can eat brains with a chance of developing kuru

[timber trellis]

That wouldn't work too well as a game mechanic considering how long it can take before symptoms develop

The kuru, I mean. I'm all for eating brains

[velvet kettle]

what The Indie Game Store is really aiming for:

[primal ginkgo]

feel like this should be Nathan Fielder

[cunning anchor]

100% unseasoned (the british way)

[peak wraith]

[hard wolf]

no salt

[velvet kettle]

after some Brainz To Go takeout tho, they’ll become full-on sprinters and all

[hallow orchid]

Ok, food overhaul. Build 42 thursdoid might be teasing us some food stuffs.

[peak wraith]

3 more days until Thursdoid

[woeful hearth]

Where are you getting these screenshots from?!

😳

[hallow orchid]

My headcanon says it's part of the official base game assets.

[woeful hearth]

So something like Apple fans?

[woeful hearth]

No idea what that ment but ok

[hallow orchid]

It means, in my head, I have a fanfic of this happening.

[woeful hearth]

The food containers seem pretty legit so once again you've managed to confuse me

[hallow orchid]

I was referring to this texture. #1233073448515797032 message

[velvet kettle]

lol

you are witnessing my photoshop and editing prowess

I post here often, a place the devs frequent, hoping to have a cherry pie role next to my username one day

for real tho: I just searched up "zombie-themed food truck" or something along those lines and came across those images, cropped them, and sent them here since I thought it would be relevant and/or amusing to some

#1233073448515797032 message is a T-shirt

#1233073448515797032 message is a mobile food truck in the UK (The Gory Gourmet) and the image is likely derived from an ad or something

and the brain image was from a tweet posted about 3 months ago: #tweets message

[timid trellis]

wouldnt mind some ways to make cooking a little more thoughtful

cant say I'd find mustard spaghetti palatable

[toxic onyx]

we need some dwarf-fortress-styled proc-gen eventually. My survivor better be quaking in his boots the moment he strolls into the raider-controlled settlement of "Bloodblood, the bloody bloody-blood blood of blood"

before getting bludgeoned to death by Chris CorpseJeep's finely crafted sawblade-axe: "BrainIron the Boat"

[hallow orchid]

Shouldn't we start with baby steps with the wildlife proc-gen areas on the map borders and beyond, that's coming in Build 42?

[umbral ibex]

I have no idea how food works in zomboid but I find fun to make regardless. Really happy some food stuff will renewable. I can finally fulfill my dream of driving a hot dog food truck with spikes

[silver urchin]

two days...... thursdoid...............

💀😭

[nova palm]

It is, blogs covered that.

[tepid fractal]

hmm

how come we’re getting so many tweets and retweets all of a sudden

[willow geode]

No reason

Stop reading fucking signs into everything lol

It's not coming out soon

[frosty moon]

No it clearly means twitter will be added to b42

[willow geode]

okay we can't keep anything from you

[frosty moon]

Knew it

[willow geode]

Skekdog please sign right here

you will be greeted by this man

[frosty moon]

What a kind man I would trust him with my life

[dire garden]

I can't wait for people starting to look for signs in the stars lol

[meager estuary]

Will the B42 version be updated in the first half of this year?

[frigid ore]

https://tenor.com/view/ibai-explicando-rapido-720-eduardo-gif-18338196

Trust me guys B42 is coming, it's all connected!

[tepid fractal]

let me believe what i wanna believe 🗣️

[tepid fractal]

justttt watch

i predict it

[dire garden]

[hallow orchid]

This is why astrology and horoscopes are so popular nowadays.

[meager estuary]

I've heard some people say that the B42 version will be updated in the first half of this year, and I don't know if this news is true.sion will be updated in the first half of this year.

[tepid fractal]

it was unoffically confirmed by lenny (a dev) on a reddit post. dont take it as a 100% tho

[meager estuary]

Well, that's a bit disappointing

[dire garden]

There were rumors of a unstable release that might be happening first half of the year, but only way to know for sure is to wait until it's out

[hallow orchid]

It's false. Also, it's confirmed not coming out soon. #1233073448515797032 message

[thorny raptor]

2 days

[silver urchin]

😭

[meager estuary]

I think the wait is a bit long, and there's no end in sight. Some of the players around me heard the damn fake news and went to play another game, saying they would come back after the B42 update

[dire garden]

I mean, that's fine? Play something else for a while before you know it, it'll be there

[frigid ore]

Wasn't fake news. Lead dev was too optimistic

[dire garden]

Also regarding update speed, I'd argue for a game with such a active modding scene it's probably better to have slow, large updates instead of pushing out game changing updates every few months like a Mojang does it, just take a peek how the modding community looks over there, generally in a constant game of catch-up

[willow geode]

I mean we're not a live-service game. That's to be expected?

[frigid ore]

Quite ironic for a zombie game to be a live service, right?

[nova palm]

Lenny isn't just a dev, Lenny is The Indie Game Store's CEO

[frigid ore]

Is his real name John Zomboid?

[willow geode]

Common mistake, it's Oliver Heathridgensonforths-Zomboid

[dire garden]

Now I'm curious, how would be "soon" defined here?

I've seen "soon" mean as much as years

[nova palm]

Do you know Blizzard's definition for soon?

[dire garden]

<Insert joke about OW2 and canceled PvE here> I'm more or less familiar with the concept soon is when it cooked enough and is in a state to be enjoyed

[tepid fractal]

im watching a documentary on the making of tlouII right now, its 2 hours long. it took them from summer 2013-late 2021. barely including pandemic. and thats from a studio with 300 people

now think of that with zomboid

like idk how many people work in the indie game store but its not a AAA game lol. they dont have the softwares naughty dog uses

its obviously gonna take a LONG time, especially considering its a isometric game tryna make it feel 3d, no unreal engine or anything like that, small team, no acutal headquarters or whatever

[dire garden]

I'm a Warframe player since 2018, I got my fair share of "soon™️s", it's just meant as humorous, not particularly funny, but that's kinda in my genes

[hard wolf]

i love warframe

i played it when i was 8

got hooked

[woeful hearth]

That's cool but still doesn't answer my question where did those food containers come from

[frigid ore]

That only happened with Duviri and The New War tho

[orchid pond]

The Indie Store started with 2 people and last official number I hear was over 30 (including MP team) and that was before they went and hired a whole bunch of people

🥰 seeing them and their game grow is magical

[fast vigil]

They're adding constellations to build 42?

[fast vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-it-guys-just-a-week-away-flashbang-gif-27228849

[velvet kettle]

#tweets message

it’s the channel right below #1019996461095735456

[woeful hearth]

Oh

I missed that because I don't have a Twitter account

Thanks

[velvet kettle]

[frosty moon]

yeah that channel is my only exposure to twitter (thankfully)

[woeful hearth]

I don't even dare that

[compact pawn]

What if instead of project zomboid, it was project freakoid and instead of a zombie apocalypse, it just made ur pc explode

[hard wolf]

enlightend specimen ^

[velvet kettle]

Project NASA + UKSA whereby Spiffo does a countdown before your PC launches into orbit

[fluid kindle]

Cannot wait for B42 to come out

I figuratively cannot live without it

[velvet kettle]

your restraint is admired

[velvet kettle]

The Indie Game Store*

[orchid pond]

You are correct, I have erred. Please forgive me. 🙏

[velvet kettle]

you are forgiven, fellow Project Zomboid enthusiast

the other channels shall soon adopt The Indie Game Store

[mellow panther]

I just KNOW B42 is coming out this thrusday!

[hard wolf]

I know right?!

our inherent senses tell us all we need! my gungerthragometer is going insane!

[peak wraith]

2 more days until that new dev blog content will be shown to us

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[deep jolt]

Yo yo yo, Zomboid is on sale on steam

[velvet kettle]

33% discount

[hallow orchid]

Offer ends on June 3.

[timid trellis]

pz discordites will call it an omen

[hallow orchid]

Or it's just your Summer Vacation sale!

Buy it now, play it later once school is officially over.

[fluid kindle]

TIS A SIGN I SAY

I DOTH DECLARE IT TO BE A SIGN

AFTER THE SALE ENDS THE GAMES PRICE WILL INCREASE BY TEN DOLLARS FROM BASE PRICE

THEN A MONTH AFTER SUCH A HAPPENING THE PROMISED TIME WILL COME BROTHERS!!

REJOICE AS THE GREAT WAIT’S END GROWS NEAR!!

[orchid pond]

You vs the guy she tell you not to worry about.

[hard wolf]

are those your pretty hairs

[dire garden]

fluffy grass supremacy

[nova palm]

You both need to shave?

[weak crest]

Grass looks fluffier...

[midnight mesa]

i just realized that GrappleZ could be used to make rideable horses

[weak crest]

the grass is grassier than before

[weak crest]

!!!!

[midnight mesa]

What one could do is by creating a Horse entity ( the animal ) they can create a GrappleZ animation where the player "grabs" in code the horse, playing an animation where it looks like the player infact mounts the horse. You could then use that to make it so that when the player "Jogs" the horse enters a canter, if they "sprint" the horse gallops using either a seperate set of numerical values to defer to the """players""" (horses) stamina and speed or modifying the players amount by Such and such which will make sense to tie it to the players stamina considering its also exhausting for a person to ride a horse hard, not just for the horse itself.

[deep marsh]

@timid trellis how in the hell did you evoke anything other than "I NEED IT"?

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-comedy-ron-burgundy-will-ferrell-im-not-even-mad-gif-3433921

[timid trellis]

I’ve been around PZ a while

The patience game sets in eventually

[gusty cradle]

I wouldn't be surprised it's one of the main reason they made it

That's the first thing I thought about tbf

[wise cosmos]

Special promotion? Aren't those algorithmically generated?

[willow geode]

No

[wise cosmos]

Oh. Yay!

[hallow orchid]

All I am thinking about is petting animals

[placid violet]

Hello everyone!
In the roadmap i see "Balance"

Maybe anyone knows which aspects of the game will be balanced in B42? Traits and occ, moodles, charachter stats or some general things?

[hard wolf]

nothing will get balanced

im just messing with ya, the traits will be buffed like smoker making it much more of a detriment i imagine

[wise cosmos]

You mean nerfed

[weak crest]

Likely that, maybe loot distribution, vehicle aspects, etc
Seems vague so could be for a lot of different mechanics and things I wonder

[deep marsh]

All of it.

SO much is being added that it conceivably will feel like a new game, and a lot of elements will need to play off one another. Testing can only catch so much, so while a lot of balancing likely has already happened, there will be a huge focus on balance between the releases of unstable & stable build 42.

One major example I can think of, there's a lot of really OP "gamebreaking" strategies the devs are aware of at the moment, and those are being addressed to make sure the game balances risk & reward for the sake of !FUN!, like now tall chainlink fences will be able to be toppled over if enough zeds pile against them

[fast vigil]

Honestly I don't think smoker needs a nerf, because it contributes to the overall atmosphere. It was the 90s, everyone and their children were smoking

Plus, I dislike the notion of single player game balancing, and multiplayer games aren't hurting for the smoker meta all that much

What needs a rebalance is some of the more obnoxious skill grinds ie nimble

[short flax]

and tailoring

metalworking

electrical

[timid trellis]

I certainly hope the concept of free points goes away, Hemophobic’s change was a step in the right direction

Outdoorsman is a key trait I’m holding out for, being able to just ignore illness, rain, and temperature for two points is insane

[fast vigil]

The simplest change would be to make smoking cause you to cough while doing it and have a random chance for about an in game hour afterwards, if smoker has to be nerfed

[fluid kindle]

It is kind of free points but if they do make it more of a detriment you should be able to ‘quit’ similar to getting rid of the weight from overweight

[fast vigil]

Cigarettes in and of themselves are a strong tool for reducing stress and unhappiness, and nerfing them would also nerf snoker

[fast vigil]

Implementing quitting would be particularly difficult because unlike the weight traits, quitting smoking is as simple as not interacting with the cigarette to smoke it. With losing weight it's a process that involves enforcing a diet and regular exercise, especially considering the most common foods to find are things like chips and soda which kill your diet

One way to implement a downside while trying to quit is to implement a "Fiending" moodlet, representing a critical decrease in accuracy with weapons as well as in the speed of any actions one could interpret as using fine motor skills, since when smokers go without smoking for a long time they can get jitters

[compact pawn]

What if picking smoker like, makes the buffs cigs give you worse?

Like they aren’t as good,

[thorny raptor]

dang it

[orchid pond]

Correct 😆

[winter crag]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[fluid kindle]

It is as simple as just not using them, but you feel like shit without them

[fast vigil]

Nah, nerf the cigs themselves and you nerf the trait that demands you use them

[fast vigil]

Oh great, my character feels like shit.
Anyways, time to collect my free trait points and just not smoke until the game considers the addiction as quit

[fluid kindle]

inb4 moodles

[fast vigil]

Maybe you missed where I said to do exactly that with actual details on what those moodles did

[crystal gyro]

Thursdoid tomorrow!!!
I'm so hyped! Really hope they give a preview of the food overhaul (even if it's not in the initial release for b42)

I got my hammer!!!! 🥳

[outer echo]

I want a car overhaul, I want automobiles not vehicles

[velvet kettle]

well done!

[woeful hearth]

Stop!

[woeful hearth]

Like what? That you need to use the mouse scroll to roll down the window?

[woeful hearth]

Oh yes! That would be a nice caveat for smoking

[outer echo]

The Nyla is the most common car in the game, its 20 feet long 400 horse power lumbering beast of a car but it sounds like a lawnmower and stops in its tracks for anything bigger than a bush

[woeful hearth]

Have you tried mods if you need a variety of car models?

[outer echo]

I love 70-90 land yatchs lol. Nyla is my favorite car, I just wanted to hear it roar

There any mods that make it more American?

[woeful hearth]

Oh I see, no idea about modded car sound effects

At first I thought you needed more car mechanics

Tbh it wouldn't hurt if we had random car noises that could be heard by either other players or zeds

[woeful hearth]

On second though this would be cool

[winter crag]

F in chat, the Plunger crew will pity your loss

[mellow panther]

If I go TWO more days without a thrusdoid I might nuke the world…

[winter crag]

If I go one more second without a Thursoid imma develop crippling social anxiety

Welp, thanks a lot Indie Game Store

Will be interesting seeing the PvP elements get expanded on with NPCs. As it is now def feels better fighting zombies than people.

When B43 comes out, the Trench Raider magazine will be the first fucking thing I look for.

[outer echo]

lol I wish you could hear cars backfiring, knocking, and crunching in gear when damaged

[hallow orchid]

It's already nerfed if you don't have the Smoker trait. Like, it can kill you. 😄

[timid trellis]

i dig this idea

backfires could be extremely loud and incentivize engine upkeep

[hallow orchid]

Why dig this idea? (Sorry, I love puns.)

[winter crag]

To the Eastern front with you

Nah, but short blunt being the choice of kings, I'm confident that the devs will show it the love it deserves.

[timid trellis]

short blunt, the weapon of choice for people who have nothing else

[velvet pewter]

Nah, thats short blade

[velvet kettle]

hoping to read Pat Bren’s autobiography in B42

[rigid magnet]

thuroid?

[hallow orchid]

We should push higher and go for a trilogy.

3-hours epic per part.

[velvet kettle]

• XP to all traits lol

also, tomorrow’s blog post would be a good time to spread the word about The Indie Game Store

I got the artwork ready for tomorrow

[hallow orchid]

Posting it now and posting it for tomorrow wouldn't make much of a difference, in my opinion.

[orchid pond]

The Indie Game Store be praised!

I love their mascot Spuffo.

[winter crag]

This tbh

[marble vortex]

!roadmap

[tardy badger]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:
https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[velvet kettle]

you’re probably right. It’ll just be quickly glossed over lol maybe if I’m one of the first to post such ||mis||information then it'll get considerable exposure

just trying to see how far it goes before it eventually dies off. Maybe it’ll just end up as a Thursdoid inside joke

[orchid pond]

I mean I have seen it mentioned a few time (and have mentioned it a few times in PZ chat) so we might be able to keep The Indie Game Store's dream alive

[velvet kettle]

even Soul Filcher mentioned it once

[frigid ore]

Thursdoid today

[velvet kettle]

dang. It's still Wednesday for me

[crystal gyro]

Did the devs say how they would solve the bottleneck items issue? Was it just calculating what you've come across and just increasing the odds of finding said item?

[orchid pond]

I don't think they have said anything about that

Just that there was a bottleneck, not a resolution

[deep jolt]

Thursday is almost over...

[orchid pond]

Hasn't even begun here

[velvet kettle]

It's already Friday nowhere

[winter crag]

"Thursday", "Friday", how about Legday c'mon 30 minutes of squats

Ah, who am I kidding, burpees are the way to go.

[forest grove]

Thursdoid today!

[valid ferry]

We should be hearing something about whether they're hitting the first half of the year date they gave, right?

[light chasm]

They said they will never put in the blog a date, they never did and they ll never do so we have only to wait, i suppose 🤷

[valid ferry]

Even just a "we're pushing the IWBUMS date back" would be good, me and my friends are looking at playing again and not sure whether we should wait

Had the game since 2012 so i'm happy to wait lmao

[light chasm]

I know i have the game from when it was out so i understand u totally

[velvet pewter]

that implies they gave an official one to begin with, they're probably not gonna do that just because the precedent would be annoying. and from when the devs address that comment from lemmy in these blogs, it seems like theyre trying to soften the blow when the IWBUMS doesn't arrive in this half of the year. I would temper your expectations

[valid ferry]

99% sure one of the devs (Lemmy IIRC) said the IWBUMs beta would be out in the first half of this year

[void jungle]

I dreamed that the devs released build 42 today...

Am i going insane or is just normal at this point?

[valid ferry]

Well if they release it today we know you're a prophet

[floral plover]

He said it on Reddit I think

[velvet pewter]

yeah, and everytime someone brings up lemmys comments and the devs address it they say it was just speculation at the time, implying to me that aint gonna happen anymore

[valid ferry]

Ah, wasn't aware of that

Either way, more time developing means more stuff ingame and a more polished experience, it already looks like build 42 is zomboid 2.0 at that point

[velvet pewter]

agreed
it just sucks because it retroactively makes me not want to play B41 zomboid right now because I want dem updates

[valid ferry]

haha couldn't agree more, at least if they said that it wont be soon we can play with some peace of mind

[timber trellis]

Fun side effect of not being rabid counting down the days until thursdoid: forgot it was coming today until now

[tepid fractal]

i looked back when b41 IWBUMS came out and they sorta mentioned a IWBUMS info the day before

not saying its happening today but

it has happened

b42 comes out on july 9th

trust me guys (joking)

[valid ferry]

I trust you implicitly now and will blame you solely when that doesn't happen

[tepid fractal]

speaking of july 9th

why is #knoxevent still open

[timber trellis]

In case people want to go back and read it, maybe

[gusty cradle]

yeah

[nova palm]

Only because someone mentioned Lenny and there's no Lenny in TIS 😅

[velvet pewter]

NOT LENNY

[winter crag]

Lenny!

[tepid fractal]

mandela effect is real

[tepid fractal]

i mean its still on twitter

they should at least archive it- its been 10 months since the last post

[floral plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/18nlvxc/comment/kecgwst/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button My guy got his name changed by the community

[tepid fractal]

im not sure if ur saying that lemmy is right

but hes more than likely not, or wasnt. it was a good estimate to go off of but

[frosty moon]

they have said to disregard that comment

[tepid fractal]

it was a unoffical announcement and nasKo and other devs have said that we shouldn’t take the one reddit comment as a prophecy

its not a set in stone deadline

[dire garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1ci9718/comment/l29v0xl/

thank you for not putting the entire thing in the preview, reddit
I don't know why people roll with an older estimate just because it's closer when we publicized "this year" on the internet radiowaves to the masses.

[hallow orchid]

Now I just realized, lemmy101 is not the official Project Zomboid account.

Heyo! People got misdirected, and nasKo corrected us back to the right path.

[dire garden]

I mean... there is a second post on there...

[hallow orchid]

(Otherwise, lemmy101 would be lemmy101_zomboid. I'm referring to this)

[worn pivot]

Will my grandkids be able to play 42?

[dire garden]

No, they get to play 42.5!

[worn pivot]

Lucky swines!

[dire garden]

from what i can see that is lemmys only reddit account with which he interacts with the subreddit

as in, also got The Indie Stones flair

[valid ferry]

I think its fair to say at the time it was probably an accurate-ish date when lemmy posted it, but goalposts move, scope changes, things go wrong. That's exactly why they dont usually give release windows in the first place.

[sacred widget]

PZ 1.0 release in 2060

[tepid fractal]

u know life is at a all time low if ur playtime in last 2 weeks went from 50 to 1

[velvet kettle]

The Indie Game Store’s* flair

any predictions for the next blog? lol

I’m hoping they cover basement events/“stories” and something about food/snacks

[timber trellis]

I think it will have images and videos

[unique oar]

Im thinking they will go more into wild animal/hunting stuff. they mentioned on twitter they had spent awhile working on trails, so maybe trapping/tracking/animals.

[midnight mesa]

Aw man at what time on average do the thursdoids release again? i forgot

[unique oar]

Its all over the place, but i'd guess another 2 hours since its usually around noon for me

[peak wraith]

thursdoid is going to be excellent

[velvet kettle]

we are almost gonna surpass the Thursdoid message record (very relevant ik)

[timber trellis]

It would be unsportsmanlike to artificially inflate that number with multiple messages, since I know someone will have that idea

[hard cliff]

I predict more animal show casing and maybe more about the bunkers.

[timber trellis]

I think we can get 100 more messages organically before this one is closed though

[unique oar]

I absolutely am hyped about bunkers. The modding community is going to go wild with underground things and i am all for it

[crystal gyro]

That's always a happy surprise!

[timber trellis]

Yeah, opened this & remembered the day which was nice

[midnight mesa]

You really think someone would do that? chase artificially inflated numbers for a joke online?

wow thats crazy to me bro

would have to be a real monster to do that

i mean like seriously

would be craaaaazy.

[timber trellis]

😡

[velvet kettle]

I imagine NasKo getting ready to lock this channel at 3993 total messages

[midnight mesa]

we are commited to being silly

goofy, whimsical perhaps even

frolicking over the fields of life

i mean honestly it would be cool if this thread did infact reach 4k before the lock

i mean cmon end it all on a nice and round fun number? hell yea

[velvet kettle]

I also hope we get to see more moodles in the next blog post. Perhaps another chaos will ensue then lol

which is probably why Leapdoid reached almost 4k messages

[velvet pewter]

im suprised its not locked already

usually on boid days it gets locked pretty early even if the blog isnt for a couple hours

[cerulean pelican]

Could be any minute now

[velvet kettle]

78 messages to go

[midnight mesa]

"Take aim and draw a deep breath in todays Thursdoid: "Cooks and BowZ" !"

im still just waiting like a person dying of thirst for any archery content

[formal dock]

I don't know why people roll with an older estimate just because it's closer when we publicized 'this year' on the internet radiowaves to the masses.

lemmys specific statement about a first half 2024 release has not been explicitly contradicted by any later messages. Thus it's reasonable for people to uphold its credibility. 🤷

[velvet kettle]

in a similar aspect, I’m waiting on a glimpse of lockpicking

[midnight mesa]

yea but atleast theres good and working lockpicking mods
for Archery theres just... nothing so far and we need something like it to actually have a long term ranged solution
I mean hell how am i supposed to hunt a deer with the entire map exhausted of ammunition?

[timber trellis]

#pz_b42_chat message

[crystal gyro]

I'm gonna wait till I know the new Thursdoid is out, pick up some fish tacos, fries and my favorite beverage and leisurely enjoy reading it over a delicious meal! 😋

[worn pivot]

Definitely disheartened at the time its taking 😦

[velvet kettle]

imagine if Thursdoids were physical newspapers sent throughout the globe

[midnight mesa]

i reckon the main issue is stuff like Archery and food stuffs not being done plus the fact that GrappleZ may have finally opened up the avenue for horses

[dire garden]

People are just putting themself up for disappointment, its highly variable, i'm just here for the ride

also i love seeing the over consumption of copium, its kinda hilarious

[midnight mesa]

also wow i thought i was the only one that woke up on the extra wrong side of the bed

[weak crest]

I do that as well but with a cold can of soda. good idea

[timber trellis]

I'm guessing this was for the message above mine, but yeah archery is certainly a need

[cerulean pelican]

I think deer traps exist

[timber trellis]

Considering there's a bowyer profession it seems pretty likely that there will be bows

[weak crest]

Oh yeah, maybe traps suited for bigger animals were added

[midnight mesa]

one: thatd be very boring
two: thatd be ineffective
third: just going for traps would still limit ranged combat to your looted ammo storage

[formal dock]

what are you trying to say with that?

[frigid ore]

B42 coming today. I can feel it

[worn pivot]

rip

[timber trellis]

You can read the message and come to your own conclusion about my intent for sending it

[midnight mesa]

incredibly huge if it were somehow true but nah no way

[formal dock]

Ive read that message.

[weak crest]

tbf I don't get it either

[formal dock]

and responded to nasko on that before

i'm saying its to be expected for people to take that date serious

[worn pivot]

imagine when 42 releases and then we have to go through another 2 years for 43

[timber trellis]

They've pretty openly said it's an outdated message

[formal dock]

no

[cerulean pelican]

is build 42 in the room with us right now?

[formal dock]

nasko only has in chat in this discord

[velvet kettle]

sound like it’d be well worth the wait if that were to be the case

[timber trellis]

Openly meaning “not privately”

[midnight mesa]

i keep joking about "31/12 is release date" but im pretty sure itll still be another 3-4 months or so

[timber trellis]

This is not a private space. Sure, they haven't responded directly to that comment or updated it, but they've certainly been clear abt it here

It's understandable for people who haven't seen that to not know, so if that's what you were saying I agree

[formal dock]

well yes

thats what I'm saying

[cerulean pelican]

Actually I wouldn't mind with the boatload of content they're going to give us with 42

[worn pivot]

I was like that with MP - unfortuantely it does wear off eventually and back to this stage we will be

[cerulean pelican]

Yeah XD

[worn pivot]

I wish I wasn't so pessamistic about the development time, I really really really wish I wasnt

[dire garden]

consdering alone the new options the new crafting system brings

I'd say we are going to be well fed for the interim to b43 with lotta mods

[worn pivot]

praying for modders to use the NPC animals to mod in NPCs during the wait

[weak crest]

Plus modders will probably have a lot of good framework now to make good things
Like those npcs probably ye

[dire garden]

I'm more excited about the minecraft tech-mod like functions

[timber trellis]

We've been assured no build will take as long as b41, which is enough for me—I'm not really fiending for PZ content

[dire garden]

I so want my end times factory game

[worn pivot]

it's up there in the waiting time right now

[timber trellis]

I don't think it is

[cerulean pelican]

Just a simple wandering merchant npc would be nice to trade things

[worn pivot]

its been two years since 41 came out nearly in December and 41 took 3 years

[timber trellis]

As I've said:

Assuming we take that to mean from the final 40 patch to the final 41 patch, that means less than ~4 years. The final 41 patch was at the end of 2022, meaning at the latest it'd be before the end of 2026

[worn pivot]

A long ass time regardless

[timber trellis]

That's a clear overestimate lol, which I also said when I originally sent that

We know unstable will be this year already

[dire garden]

I believe that I'll be spending my christmas shift running around herding animals

[worn pivot]

I wouldn't even say 2026 isn't unrealistic or an overestimate

[dire garden]

everything else is just a bonus

[timber trellis]

For the final 42 patch? I doubt it

[worn pivot]

I have no faith in the development time any longer unfortunately 😦

[odd totem]

It'll be open until a cure is found

[timber trellis]

Pat when will you visit my roleplay server that's just me and two friends dancing

[worn pivot]

Did you enjoy WastelandRP? Great place, used to be an admin there, spent many an hour!

[odd totem]

I have no faith in replying to this question

[worn pivot]

Nice professional response there 🙂

[odd totem]

lol

[worn pivot]

'We don't deal well with criticism :('

[tepid fractal]

can i get a discorx invite

[timber trellis]

Are you preparing your report to the better business bureau or what

[tepid fractal]

saw something abt it on reddit

looked cool, but couldnt find any link to anything

[velvet kettle]

we have surpassed Leapdoid’s message record

[tepid fractal]

TIGS should rly consider updating the suggestions page