Hmm, Upgradez

[proud cosmos]

Kinda feel like you're still just welding metal to metal though right? You'd create the plating with blacksmithing

[ancient knoll]

so that's why the 2 are necessary to create something better

that's the whole point of working with metal

they should have more uses in game

[proud cosmos]

Yeah but welding still doesnt need 10 levels for that to be the case 😅

[ancient knoll]

maybe level 6 for armored cars and traps

and level 10 for fully best body armor available? This in blacksmith

like going back in medieval age? But in post apocaliptic world?

[proud cosmos]

Lol ok ill just grind 2 skills to be able to make armor. Nah man.

[ancient knoll]

not only amror, but the best armor

or idk

just suggesting

welding will become useless as it is, nobody uses metal for almost anything, is hella expensive and not so intuitive to use and with brick walls who will going to build fences?

almost nobody

[proud cosmos]

Well most of what "metalworking" does is superseded by blacksmithing so it just makes sense to give welding a backseat and make it a supporting act

[ancient knoll]

so welding will become useless

[proud cosmos]

Lol no

[ancient knoll]

i will invest in blacksmith that's why i'm saying that, why should i build iron fences with i can build my body armor?

see? became useless profession

only with they add more uses to it like vehicle armor or something like traps

with not i can't see the use of it anymore

[tough kestrel]

Metalworking was never a great profession anyway

Not easy to grind + barely any uses

[ancient knoll]

will be less than anything now while blacksmith will kill it

[tough kestrel]

I really don't see how blacksmith will kill it lmao, they don't do the same

[proud cosmos]

Im still gonna reinforce windows with metal sheets/bars 🤷

[tough kestrel]

Metalworking is for construction mostly while blacksmithing is making metal items overall, also one could complete the other

Can't kill something that's already not much alive lol

[proud cosmos]

^

[tough kestrel]

Metalworking has its niche uses but also huge cons compared to simply using wood

Metal is a rare material that requires scraping a whole lot of shit for a single metal bar

[proud cosmos]

Scrap metal will be easier to come by in 42. But yeah lugging around a blowtorch is the main downside

Which is fine when home at base

[tough kestrel]

Yeah metalworking will definitely be revived in b42

[ancient knoll]

hope you're right, now it just sucks as it is, maybe it will be great in build 42 onward

[tough kestrel]

Definitely

Because you'll be able to make metal sheet and metal bars with smithing

Like I said, one will not kill the other, they will just complete each others

[ancient knoll]

the only thing i want from blascksmith besides armor is metal spears

meta build now

[proud cosmos]

Man you needa comb through the thursdoids. Thats why this discussion hasnt been going well lol

[tough kestrel]

Yeah confirmed it will be added in too I believe

[ancient knoll]

i know it will, just saying, will not kill anymore with anything more than metal spears, will be glorious

[ancient knoll]

Much time has passed and i forget some thing are even going to be added, i read since first build 42 thursdoid but still forgets many things

[proud cosmos]

Nah yeah, fair

[tough kestrel]

tbf just want these to be a thing lol

[proud cosmos]

The quintessential short blade

[ancient knoll]

now with metal shields and a red cloak i can roleplay as a spartan

[tough kestrel]

Cutting through the flesh with an actual fucking sword and not just a rare asf katana

I already see myself crafting one of these bad boy after hours of grinding smithing then dying after playing with it like a child who got a new toy

[pale citrus]

RIP (And Tear)

[tender locust]

I demand my zomboid

[drowsy stirrup]

I dont think it makes sense for them to be put together logically, but there def should be a way to hide some of the skills as they get more niche. And there needs to be a reason to level up welding, which I doubt will come next update. Unless theres also some improvized welded weapons and black smithed ones, would be kinda cool

[proud cosmos]

I wouldnt even put them together. Just make welding work like generators. You unlock it with a magazine. One and done. Thats how you hide a skill

[drowsy stirrup]

If they dont plan to added supporting more metalworking mechanics later that makes sense, but Its not hard to imagine what they could add so itd probably just get sent back to a skill eventually. But its not like its the only niche or useless skill either, if players could customize the skill window and hide the ones they dont plan to use or dont wanna see thatd be nice.

[violet ridge]

I mean more skills isn't a bad thing as long as they're worthwhile and make sense imo. A ui change could easily change things so they don't look messy

All of pzs skills come from runescape so sailing skill is next

[ancient knoll]

UI change is desperately needed, is there a way they can improve upon the black box? Idk, tetris box isn't much of an upgrade, there should be another way

[lavish fractal]

This is what I was thinking when reading the above. If skills seem cluttered then idt that necessarily means we need less skills, just a cleaner way to view them

The first thing that comes to mind for me is tabs for different types—I'm thinking of an MMO UI in which there are so many skills that having a way to look at groups individually is a necessity. That'd probably be messy with the current UI but who knows

[proud cosmos]

Mainly just some of the Dexterity stuff could be consolidated. But yeah other than that i just dont see there being a need for 10 levels of Welding but happy to be wrong. Defs agree about the UI overall but cant see any huge changes being made to it for 42

[lavish fractal]

Agreed there, although boy I'd love to be proven wrong & for 42 to come with a fresh new UI

[ancient knoll]

I know it can or not happen but i hope next thursdoid we see release date for build 42, waiting for it is getting really boring, aleady distracted myself playing the game, watching movies, working, travelling, ect... Let us play please ;-;

[minor palm]

Pretty sure we're getting a Thursdoid this week

[north crag]

Would be kinda funny for the thursdoid to drop on February 29 tho

[lone scroll]

astronomy update when?

[drowsy stirrup]

I never understood why lightfooted and sneaking were seperate, they level up in the same way and at pretty much the same rate and overlap too much to be seperate IMO. also sneaking is pretty much useless(but lightfooted is good), might as well just consolidate them

[proud cosmos]

Absolutely. And yeah Sneaking is pretty useless. Zed vision checks need to change a bit probably

[viral tide]

thorfinn

[earnest coral]

They've said the first half of 2024 for an unstable release, so if you want a date you can have June 30th

[chilly aurora]

I might get angry if theres not a small chance that a raccoon spawns with spiffo skin when b42 is out

I know its a red panda but there would be a missed opportunity

[viral tide]

that'd be sick

that a crazy animal abuser painted a raccon or smth like that

[lost roost]

I have a question. Will there be an MP in the first patch of B42?

[minor palm]

One of the major components of B42 is a major update to MP to make all inventory management server-side, so most definitely.

[lost roost]

Thank you

[zealous breach]

yeah i remember hearing theyre finally fixing the desync in servers. seriously, it was getting so difficult to play zomboid mp cuz of it

[viral tide]

Finally! I hope that someday they also do something with all the topic of server management, playing as a host is kinda limitating and creating a dedicated server is very difficult...

[restive flume]

I just cant wait till the new and improved server setup gets implemented, adding mods the current way tickles my autism too much

[lost roost]

Use mod manager/ server mod manager - it helps a bunch, not as autistic

[ancient knoll]

Yeah...

[earnest coral]

Spiffo is canonically a raccoon! If it's not included I'm sure there'll be a palette swap mod soon enough

[viral tide]

yeah, mp changes are needed, but i personally prefer sp

[violet ridge]

Zeds that casually know you're behind a fence and how to get there

[proud cosmos]

Fr i suppose the pathfinding too. They should pretty much always go for the direct path maybe, even if something is in the way. Unless the are super close to a way around

[north crag]

Well, the devs are working on a way to give collisions to tiles. The same thing could be used to rework stealth, making hiding behind furniture (like crouching behind a desk in a classroom) a possibility... Maybe

[tough kestrel]

If you make sound, yeah of course

[violet ridge]

Zombies are meant to be silly billys

They should attack the fence

[ancient knoll]

zombies should be able to emote

[covert heart]

landmines

random death

[solemn thorn]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[proud cosmos]

👆

[viral tide]

👇

[ancient knoll]

Hope to see the roadmap updated this week

[proud cosmos]

🖕😌

[viral tide]

why so agressive

[proud cosmos]

Bro you pinged me in what is the middle of the night for me, for literally no reason 😂

[alpine trout]

@proud cosmos damn

[proud cosmos]

Way ahead of you

But since you pinged unnecessarily too yours is the same fate

[vestal spire]

2 more thursdays left in Febuary

[deft heart]

https://tenor.com/view/hehehehaw-gif-27191064

[proud cosmos]

Lets fuckin gooo. Mega curious what we're gonna see next

[minor palm]

There HAS to be a Thursdoid this week!

Btw, apparently, the Riverboat in Brandenburg has a name now: #1195687717233770607 message

[vestal spire]

noice

[ancient knoll]

B42 Release date, please XD

[cloud ridge]

Feb 23 2024 god told me

[zealous breach]

unstable- sometime between now and june
stable- sometime this year

[proud cosmos]

A lot of prophets up in here

[ancient knoll]

then release date for unstable

[ancient knoll]

i'm one of them, i can guarantee that we will have b42 between now and 16 weeks

[vestal spire]

once build 42 is out we will see frequent updates , bug fixing and more features added over time

[zealous breach]

im not the almighty

but uh i reckon unstable march 14th

stable august 19th

haha just a thought

just like that we’re getting a thursdoid this week

[flat iron]

March unstable release would be great

[ancient knoll]

would be glorious

[lone scroll]

When will astronomy be added

[ancient knoll]

really want to play next build so bad

[ancient knoll]

never

[lone scroll]

Why not

[ancient knoll]

because.. because... idk?

[lone scroll]

Then why should I listen to a plunger like you

[ancient knoll]

because i can see the future and i can say that the helicopter event is the only and best astronomy event ever

that's why no need to add more

[lone scroll]

That’s not astronomy

[ancient knoll]

well you need to look up the skies, you need to calculate which day the heli will come, and affects your char life

so, for me is pure astronomy 😄

[lone scroll]

You can’t look up to the sky in game

[north crag]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370

[lone scroll]

The most you can see are stars in the windshield of a car

And those don’t move

You don’t even see the moon at night

Or its glow

Depending on the lunar cycle the dimness at night should be different

A new moon should be the lowest darkness

[zealous breach]

no

some nights are brighter than others

theres a whole night cycle tab in debug

crescent, full moon, half moon

[lone scroll]

I stand corrected

[zealous breach]

and obviously full moons are the brightest

you can check debug to see the night cycle pattern

[lone scroll]

Well I hope with the new light system we see the moon glow

[zealous breach]

yeah it doesnt glow exactly it just makes some nights brighter

at least atm

[lone scroll]

I also want telescopes in the game

[zealous breach]

yeah it would be kinda cool, sounds a little useless tho

[lone scroll]

Would be awesome to see this in Zomboid

[zealous breach]

probably like a mod thing lol

to see the skybox

you can see the skybox render in debug too

[ancient knoll]

Why need to prove when it can be delivered? March release gang, unite!

[flat iron]

Maybe seeing the reflection of the moon and clouds on the water

just watch for the reflection of the dog goblin

[lone scroll]

That’d be cool too

[tawdry current]

It's going to be glorious! 🤤

[earnest coral]

June 30th, 2024

[cosmic torrent]

hype hype hype

[cosmic torrent]

nah july 9th 1993

[zealous breach]

honestly july 9th stable would be sick

[zealous breach]

it will be march for unstable trust

[ancient knoll]

Hope you're right, let's see...

Also, how can i level up to survivor or builder?

[minor palm]

2 MORE DAYS TO THURSDAY!

[minor palm]

I have a few theories.

Last month, they said that they integrated the second to last major branch, and if I recall correctly, I think it's the Animals branch that's left. So if last month they integrated the second to last branch, they're gonna be testing it this month, and we're gonna hear the results of that. And then once all the testing is done, we're getting the final branch integrated, and then another month of testing. After that, if it's good enough, it'll be dropped onto Unstable. If it still needs work, then we give them another month.

[ancient knoll]

will nimble get a bit tweak bc is painful to level up right now, so much effort for so little results

[minor palm]

So
Jan -> 2nd to last branch
Feb -> Testing
Mar -> Final Branch
Apr -> Testing
May -> Release if good, else, more testing
June -> Unstable release if more fixing was needed

My theory, anyway

[ancient knoll]

i don't think there is that much work to be done, they showed us many things, much time has passed, reading blogs is cool but this waiting isn't. Regardless of what we think it will be released when it does get released, let's see...

[minor palm]

I imagine, though, that every branch they integrate leads to a lot of bugs they need to stamp out and stabilize.

[ancient knoll]

also how can i become survivor? Don't want to be a recruit anymore

[minor palm]

Keep posting on this discord

[ancient knoll]

hmm, ok thanks for clarifying

[ancient knoll]

yeah, i just... want to play the new build that's all

[zealous breach]

well i mean the best way to test an update and smash those bugs is to make an unstable branch public

which i honestly expect one in the next month

but idk im not a dev

[zealous breach]

they never mentioned which branches they hac to move to the main game

but honestly i expect animals to be it as u said yes

[shell blaze]

You can't release an update to find bugs if you're not at the bug fixing stage yet, it doesn't work like that

[zealous breach]

and probably the whole vehicle thing going to diffetent levels

[zealous breach]

yeah i know i didnt say release it now, i just made an estimation saying “we’re around the bug fixing part now” i mean thats what i thought at least

we may not be im not sure

[shell blaze]

Nope

[zealous breach]

damn 😔

are you able to confirm if the thursdoid is this week or next week sir

[silver helm]

Always expect it at the last Thursday in a month and then be positively surprised when it comes early

[dim arrow]

👍

[ancient knoll]

Damn x2

[violet ridge]

Tuesdoid today

[fallen glade]

Darn that leap year consigning us to another week without a thursdroid

[violet ridge]

They're just saying that to tease us, they've got their finger hovering over print right this second

[placid hedge]

They really cooked with this one

[rustic sleet]

hey its my birthday on the 22nd, just saying it'd be a cool present

y'know just sayin

[zealous breach]

yes, ma’am….

[ancient knoll]

I'm feeling depressed right now, more months till build 42 ;-;, what should we do?

[brittle ether]

!leveling

[vast stirrup]

Every minute that you're messaging, you randomly gain between 3 and 6XP.

To avoid spamming, earning XP is limited to once a minute per user.

Current ranking roles:

Recruit - Level 1
Builder - Level 5
Survivor - Level 10
Specialist - Level 18
Veteran - Level 25

[ancient knoll]

Let's go, just need to spam messages uh? Not going to do it but hey, let's see

[minor palm]

How do we check our level?

[brittle ether]

only a vet can

[ancient knoll]

why break my hope like that? Isn't fair

[ancient knoll]

how you do that

want to know mine as well

[zealous breach]

veterans only allowed to do it

[ancient knoll]

can you show mine too? Please

[hoary lion]

I cant go on this way

not as i am thursdoidless

One blog to fix thee problem

[livid jetty]

I hope unstable is in May. After that I think I would have to wait a year to have enough time to play

[shell latch]

Devs can you not release build 42 on the 23rd im gonna be busy caus its my birthday

[minor palm]

It's a 50/50 chance we get a Thursdoid tomorrow. How we all feeling about them odds?

[tough kestrel]

@minor palm probably not

[lavish fractal]

I would argue that there's actually either a 0% chance or a 100% chance, it's just not known to us until the day has passed

I'm leaning towards 0% chance myself, but I'd be happy to be wrong

[quartz cargo]

Can we get fireworks in the game

I think they would be a really fun way to move zombies around

[ancient knoll]

so is it going to be tomorrow or not? so we're not going to waste your time with asking

[silver helm]

No

[ancient knoll]

thanks for answering =p

[brittle ether]

"expect the last Thursday of the month"
"So it's going to come out in the middle of the month??"

[north crag]

They couldn't miss the opportunity of releasing the thursdoid on February 29

[tough kestrel]

yeah lmao

[lament island]

I like to call it mid month schrödinger's thursdoid

every time someone asks about it, theres a chance a snake is released an eats the thursdoid inside the box

[solemn thorn]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[minor palm]

#tweets message SADGE

[vestal spire]

my birthday is also next week this is going to be nice.

[brittle ether]

before somone asks, it's next week

[median swan]

https://tenor.com/view/next-week-next-see-you-next-week-waving-bye-later-gif-13588299

[north crag]

Fridoid tomorrow? 👉 👈

[tough kestrel]

#tweets message

[tough kestrel]

chill

[silver helm]

You really need to chill the fuck out dude, it was a pretty obvious joke there

[proud cosmos]

Sure

[silver helm]

Second time you're losingit over trivial shit in this thread

Take a step back maybe

[proud cosmos]

If you say so

[silver helm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mocking-chicken-trending-meme-gif-8617355

[minor palm]

Oof. What did they say?

[silver helm]

They just didn't spot the joke is all, it's done

[viral tide]

no mc snapshot no thursoid... this week is being tough as hell man..

but it'll be worth it (with the thursdoid, i do not have hope in mojang anymore)

[minor palm]

Personally, I mainly hope for Thursdoids so I have something exciting to read in the afternoon on my commute home from work.

[indigo nest]

Build 42 is not real

It's a myth

legend

[round lantern]

I believe the next thursdoid is going to be good

[sick plank]

We got a leap year thursdoid

Leapdoid

[cloud ridge]

God has given me a vision, he said thrusdoid next week

[cosmic torrent]

hype

[dense knot]

You've been wrong so many times by now.... Can we trust that?

[violet ridge]

He messaged you just to say that? I thought he normally tells you when b42 is dropping

[violet ridge]

Unfortunately thursdoids are now only once every leap year

[tough kestrel]

Twitter sure is a nice god

[north crag]

Hope we get to see horses next week 🤞

[cloud ridge]

Was getting too ambitious with my understanding of god's messages, this time i know im right...

[radiant relic]

absolutely

[vestal spire]

in thursdoid we trust

[zealous breach]

man i could wish

[vestal spire]

maybe some more excellent crafting features to be shown.

[lone scroll]

I miss him

[ancient knoll]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[spark topaz]

roadmaps... roadmaps never change

(except when it did)

[minor palm]

They changed it once several months ago because the previous roadmap was outdated by a few years.

And it won't change until B42 comes out, likely after it comes out on Stable.

[spark topaz]

ik ik thats why i added that second comment

[brisk depot]

Put some barber wire on bat and name it Lucille.

[viral tide]

gotta be epic

[viral tide]

fallout reference, i like those

[vestal spire]

you replying to a post that is from one month ago.

[viral tide]

one month passed so we are not able to reply it

[cosmic torrent]

:o

[viral tide]

[ancient knoll]

yeah i'm starting to get beyond frustrated with this wait, it fricking sucks man, why not just let us play the build, we can help bug testing

[radiant relic]

that's what unstable branch is for

[zealous breach]

they aint ready for that yet

bug testing is when EVERYTHING that needs to be added, is added

[ancient knoll]

don't mean to be rude but this statement is get really annoying and repetitive, feels like no one want to talk about it and keeps going until one day ''happens''.

[zealous breach]

development takes a long time

[ancient knoll]

will not even argue with that, don't want to be banned but i strongly disagree with you, to each it's own

[zealous breach]

what??

how do u think developing doesnt take time??

[brittle ether]

they don't need bug testers

the whole point of unstable is to find and squah bugs, if they needed our help it'd be released

[vagrant steeple]

Yeah I’m extremely interested to hear how you disagree

[dense knot]

The obvious answer: Because it is not ready for that. If it were you would be testing it.

[cosmic torrent]

let TIS cook its gonna be worth it

[brittle ether]

But I want iT nOWwWwW

[cosmic torrent]

id love to have it now but id rather have it in a playable state than unplayable and people go "REEE WHY IS it broken fuck this!"

[brittle ether]

MHinMn I don't CARE if It won't even start because it's BRokEN. GimEE noUW

[ancient knoll]

I'm sorry but i don't want to explain, don't want that kind of attention

[vagrant steeple]

Wrong, you realize what you said was beyond explaining

[glossy sierra]

Sounds to me like uh... you kinda got that attention. If you didn't want that attention you wouldn't care if your dismay or whatever wasn't heard

So how about shutting up if you don't want to bring yourself to the public square

[ancient knoll]

ok, lol

[brisk depot]

You see a problem in commenting under month old post?

[cloud ridge]

check the company name... but seriously let them cook id rather them give us an actual finished and well developed update than a shitty rushed one. Also game is like $30 CAD that already feels like a complete game which the devs are still working on / updating

TL:DR let em work

[ancient knoll]

no offense but it does NOT feels like a completed game, many shallown mechanics still underdeveloped like electrical and metalworking skills, first aid comes after. The meta events happening everywhere but we can't seem to find anyone alive (need npcs in future b43- 48 builds which we will have in who knows how much time). I love this game but need to point out it's flawns

[tawdry current]

None taken. Because it isn't a completed game. It's in early access. Hope that helps!

[lavish fractal]

We should have daily game updates I think. You could add NPCs on Monday and maybe Poland on Tuesday

[restive flume]

If the wait is killing you that badly and some current features feel undercooked to you, there's always mods to hold you over

[spark topaz]

Mods

Mods
Glorious mod,
Fry them stir them grab some mods

[glossy sierra]

I wish I could react to this post because damn straight

[drowsy stirrup]

metalworking/welding has a pretty obvious application later into development (car armor, maybe some specific improv weapons), and electrical seems kinda limited but maybe with mods itll be more valuable, but I really wonder what direction the Devs will go with first aid. Currently infections and wound dressing is pretty useless, so thats the first stepping stone, but I wonder about stuff like illnesses which are also pretty limited right now. Would be cool if first aid became more of a skill tailored around keeping your character healthy from illness/malnutrition as well as dressing wounds

[magic viper]

Any ETA around open beta testing?

[brittle ether]

we will get one whenever we get one, seems lame sure but waiting is all you can do

[magic viper]

Apologies for dropping out of the blue but I was asking if there's any news I'm not aware of
Worst case scenario I'll just have to continue to be patient

[brittle ether]

No new news as of yet, whenever we get a date you'll most certainly hear about it though lol

[vestal spire]

At least we will get build 42 this year

[tough kestrel]

confirmed this year

Confirmed first half of the year too

[drowsy stirrup]

at least 1 more monthoid, last blog they still hadnt merged the last branch in(the animal one?), and that requires testing afterwards so id expect at least 2 more monthoids

[silver helm]

Current plan is to have it within the first half of the year

[lost roost]

I don't play on a console but I'm curious. Will the game ever be released on consoles when it's done?

[deft heart]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

https://tenor.com/view/joke-that-was-a-joke-lads-tf2-team-fortress2-the-heavy-is-dead-gif-20870826

But yeah open beta testing "in the first half of the year" sounds epic

[deft heart]

Can I suggest placing this at the bottom of the roadmap image to spam at people who say "update drops tomorrow"

[tough kestrel]

Would stop people from spamming that god damn command

[deft heart]

Would it tho?

Would it really?

[zealous breach]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[zealous breach]

no

[deft heart]

Instructions unclear, fabricating an AI to optimize the spamming of !roadmap in each channel in exact tune to it's slowmode settings

[silver helm]

Nah. It's just an estimate and not a set in stone release date. It can easily slip, and then it'll just be worse if it was ever put on the roadmap.

[deft heart]

True

[solemn thorn]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[brittle ether]

A lot of people have already taken that estimate as a promise, you're 100% already aware but just be careful with it

[north crag]

Kinda sure that the official source (zomboid's Twitter account) said "B42 this year". The whole "B42 first half of the year" has only been said unofficially by devs

[lavish fractal]

I imagine the reason behind the caution is that unforeseen things happen, but it seems strange to even say first half of the year if not confident about it (thinking about the reddit comment that said first half “for sure”)

I say that to say I personally didn't consider it a promise but I do consider it to be more likely than all the “it came to me in a dream” estimates, as someone also in a position where I have to be careful about saying anything that even sounds like an ETA

[north crag]

Imagine if we never get a ETA

We just wake up one day and boom... Unstable release

[lavish fractal]

Dropping IWBUMS with no warning would be a power play

[shell blaze]

No promises in game dev. Or life in general for that matter

[dull oar]

lastthursdayoffebruaroid?

[minor palm]

Unfortunately

[north crag]

Leapdoid

[viral tide]

bissextomboid

[viral tide]

i thought that

i can't place my rake outside the hut

vertically

only horizontally, resting on the floor

[lavish fractal]

The desire for another axis of rotation spreads

Finally

[minor palm]

I wanna put down my beer bottles horizontally

[lavish fractal]

Yes... Yes... Let the desire grow

I really hope it's a surprise b42 feature, I want more item rotation freedom so dang bad. Or at least make it possible for a mod to add it

[minor palm]

At the very least, maybe a something in a later build

[lavish fractal]

Yeah, future feature in general would be good—the “surprise feature” thing is because my desire to decorate is impatient

[spark topaz]

I know that they already have a controller scheme (my steamdeck uses it) but apart from that idk

Consoles are a much different beast in game development

It ain't as simple as switching a level for "console" and "PC" and rejigging the control scheme

[dull oar]

maybe 29th?

[vestal spire]

4 more days until the thursdoid arrives.

[shell blaze]

We're actually reducing the axes. X axis only in 42.

[lavish fractal]

I would cry and scream and then cry some more

[deft heart]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-guys-christmas-one-week-until-christmas-im-so-thriled-about-this-information-christmas-christmas-meme-gif-24202287

[north crag]

Just let me hang my weapons and tools on the wall

[spark topaz]

axes are op anyway, give me a spear anyday

[swift shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-gif-23874443

First thing I read this morning

[lilac spruce]

hey devs out of curiosity

does loot settings affect the amount of rolls at all? Or just loot chance?

[tender locust]

Dear devs. When is this game gunna be VR compatible

[lilac spruce]

and how exactly would that work

[zealous breach]

think abt it

never. pz is far too complex to be vr

you’ve never seen a game where u genuinely survive and live long term in vr bcz its insanely hard

and would take years. and surely indie stine has better things to do than make it very

vr*

[tough kestrel]

indie stine

[tender locust]

i do not care. i want my VR ultra deluxe zomboid

[tender locust]

by being in virtual reality

[minor palm]

I mean, the devs would probably benefit from being able to rotate objects in that axis in game, allowing them to create more interesting stories of items being sporadically tossed about. The only reason why players would want it for adding to the vibes in their bases.

If not rotate, snap by 90°

[ancient knoll]

Should be more frequent yes, not just once per 2 years, besides that yeah, it's a flawed game that can become great in every aspect it proposes and no, i'm not a game designer but as a long time player i can see that

[solemn thorn]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[jagged bramble]

Are there any plans to create a Louisville subway?

[flat iron]

Those types of wall racks you see in sheds and garages could be a nice way to hang tools and some weapons

[zealous breach]

only the largest cities in america have acutal subway stations

you’d be surprised louisville doesnt have any

public transport in louisville is buses and taxis

[zealous breach]

do you want to develop zomboid instead

seems you know alot about development

[jagged bramble]

It is sad. So this is a challenge for mod creators. The opportunity to create a zombie-infested subway network is worth it.

[zealous breach]

yeah haha i cant wait to see modders get their hands on the 32 floors up and down

the bunker mods are going to be insane

a bunker in the base game would be cool too

oooh what about a doomsday prepper scenario where a guy has a bunker in his shed or garage who prepped for something like this, it could be randomized or static

and in there survival gear and items damn thats a cool idea

someone get me in indie stone

[deft heart]

Yes let's get a plunger into the development team

[minor palm]

You might have to settle for sewers.

[deft heart]

Bunker mods tho, they're gonna be bangers. Especially since, if you don't get there before the power goes out the difficulty is multifaceted. You have to deal with whatever zombies are there, and you also have to deal with zero natural light

And that means they can be loaded with loot

[midnight furnace]

Modern Louisville doesn't even have any passenger trains

[zealous breach]

us americans hate public transport haha

its only acceptable if its uber

[lilac spruce]

I mean I'm sure there were subway shops, but there might be some copyright issues

[ancient knoll]

Always the ''you should develop the game instead''. Delusional bs as always, heard this argument a lot. No i shouldn't, it's not my work and i'm not a game dev, i played the game a long time to know what i'm talking about. With everyone that you disagrees with should ''develop'' their own games there is something wrong with you then, we shouldn't and this is not an argument to begin with

Have a nice day

[zealous breach]

so why do u act like you know everything about the development process?

yes theres been a wait for b42, theres no argument there. but you know how hard it has to be to make a 2D isometric game thats trying to be 3d?

everyone wants b42 and everyone is excited ur not the only person but you cant just expect developing a game to just finish when its been more than a year

we’ve seen the roadmap, theres about 2-4 months until unstable. if you cant bare the wait between updates, play dayz

they update once every 3 months but its small minor updates like a new skybox or a few new guns

would you rather have one big update every year or so instead of smaller ones bimonthly??

[restive flume]

There's also to consider the fact that TIS does not put their employees in a crunch time to hurry up the development

[zealous breach]

yeah happy employees better work

[silver helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Version_history

We've been there, done that lol

Copypasting from a previous response to a similar query:

We're on record multiple times explaining why we didn't opt for more frequent but less impactful builds, but I'll try to make a short recap of it yet again.

Doing what you suggest would slow down the implementation of more impactful and far-reaching changes and features, and make it difficult to make these changes alongside the "live"-build that'd receive constant drip-fed content.
The result would be less content, because more impactful changes would take longer. I understand this might feel counter-intuitive for people but it's not like we haven't considered this option heavily, considering it's what we used to do...
Our team would also be smaller if we had kept following that strategy in the long term, because we'd not have been able to break out with the game the way we did with Build 41. I'm not saying Build 42 will replicate the success of it, but I'm listing this as an example of why we opted to take a huge risk with Build 41 believing it was going to be better for the game and its long-term future, which is undoubtedly was; and in turn, why we opt to make more majorly impactful builds that make leaps forward.
We're not a live-service game, we're not set-up to make zomboid a live-service game, and it wouldn't be better for the game if it were to receive small bite-sized updates to make it closer to a live-service game.

The frustration about the wait is perfectly understandable and valid, but what isn't is refusing to understand that we have a pretty good idea on what's best for the game in the long-term, not just with Build 42 in our eyesight but the future beyond as well; because one look at our version history would tell you that we did try to follow the strategy you're proposing, but it hindered us from making big impactful changes to the game, as evident in how we had to make the decision to make Build 41 a big one instead of continuing to try to have people working on big tasks play catch-and-keep-up constantly.
We've already been there, considered it, done it, and found out it doesn't work out better, so we're setting ourselves up for long-term success, as frustrating as it might be in the short-term, and your frustration - again - is perfectly valid but will not make us change our approach from making big leaps forward and big-impact builds just to chase short-term gains at the expense of long-term success.

I also agree that saying "why don't you develop it instead" is a silly argument.

We all criticize art, be it movies, tv shows, books, songs, etc. We don't need to be able to make something better ourselves in order to critique it, and the desire for more frequent updates is perfectly understandable, but again, we're not a live service game, never have been, and never will be.

[deft heart]

Implementing something like the animation overhaul over the course of many tiny updates would have just led to inconsistent animation styles. Implementing something like the crafting overhaul over many tiny updates either wouldn't be visibly different on the user end or would induce incredible inconsistency in how things work

[restive flume]

And there's the other obvious bit, that much like b41, b42 has several overhauls of the game being developed, those alone can take up alot of time and manpower in of themselves.

Personally I've always compared this game to another game I love called Vintage Story

The updates that come out are like home cooked meals

Sure it can be quick and easy and satisfying for a short while like a fast food burger

But when the devs cook in their time to get it right, it's so much more satisfying and leaves a lasting impact to make the games experience a little more fresh, giving it even more longevity

[north crag]

As long as we get horses, I'm willing to wait for years

[flat iron]

You can't rush art.

[deft heart]

Wait when did vintage story get updates

[hoary lion]

Gets 1. Month roughly with little features

[vestal spire]

!heli

[vast stirrup]

https://media.giphy.com/media/JsPS8PBSc9DNGUofbQ/giphy-downsized-large.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079967390957305857/1079972551054336011/unknown-281_2.png

[lone scroll]

who is controlling the bot account

[vestal spire]

not sure

[lone scroll]

this chatgpt shit gone too far

[lilac spruce]

I'm gonna criticize nasko for being a poop haha

[zealous lotus]

This hits a lot harder when you look at the general market of games. So many of them are rushed and don't deliver on their expectations

Hell it just happened with ubisoft and their "AAAA" game

[lilac spruce]

AAA market crash

[silver helm]

I mean, Skull and Bones wasn't exactly "rushed"

Way more going on there 😄

[zealous lotus]

Yeah I'm not sure if rushed was the right word

But I'm growing very tired of games getting Uber hyped and then falling flat

[silver helm]

For sure

Tho I feel like with that particular game, the writing was on the wall

[lilac spruce]

Let's hope it's the first and last AAAA game

[viral tide]

vintage story is one of the best voxel games rn on the market

[deft heart]

Sid Meier's pirates had more satisfying gameplay in general and I'm convinced 2k has done it's hardest to completely bury that series even though a modern remake of it would be amazing

[silver helm]

You mean a remake of the remake?

Such a good game that was

[spark topaz]

I mean at this point we should be getting a remake of a remake of a remake

Halo 1: 2001
Halo 1 remastered: 2011
Halo 1 remaster remastered: 2021
hurry up 343

[lilac spruce]

No more remakes

Make new things

[deft heart]

Yes, it was such a banger

[deft heart]

And a remake of Sid Meier's pirates in 2024 would be able to take advantage of like 20 years of technological and design advancements, it would basically be a new thing. Look at the 2004 release and compare it to the 1987 release for DOS and you'll see whenever they do remake it it's vastly different

[tawdry current]

God a Sid Meier's pirates today would be amazing.

[lilac spruce]

And be much shallower I'm sure

As most triple AAA games end up being

[deft heart]

A commonality shared with the AAA games for new IP and new games in established IP. At least with a sid Meier's pirates remake they can take notes from skull and bones flopping

[alpine trout]

the remake of a remake is the best part of it

[tender locust]

90% of developers quit right before their remake becomes a huge hit

[midnight furnace]

Everything these days is a remake

[lilac spruce]

thats the problem

[north crag]

PZ remake in unreal engine when?

[tired flame]

unity*

[tough kestrel]

Why Unity instead ?

[solemn thorn]

!roadmap

[vast stirrup]

Read about the roadmap in more detail here:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2022/01/2022-and-beyond/

Current Roadmap simplified:
https://i.imgur.com/Q5tdnLW.png

[true sequoia]

Why they make me wait until 29th? I just want to fight swords.

[ancient knoll]

We're all going to wait more than that, ''first half of the year'' is here to stay

In that case, wait to play

[true sequoia]

Oh, that sounds tough. Probably they'll release it around July, then.

[ancient knoll]

Yeah, that's tough indeed

they want to target first half of the year, so until last day of june they can launch it

but is never set in stone as they said it

it sucks but well... it sucks hahaha

[spark topaz]

But the company is called indie stone!

It should be set in stone! It's in the name

[alpine trout]

can wait for the update,so much new stuff to do

[quartz cargo]

Best thing they can add with crafting is letting us destroy walls without a sledgehammer

[alpine trout]

or building proper homes

[quartz cargo]

I mean we basically can do that already

But needing a sledgehammer to disassemble drywall is crazy

So with 3D physics being worked on, will that make stairs actually being 3D instead of just projecting the floor tile upwards?

[minor palm]

I don't think they have detailed wall material differences, yet.

I don't think there's even an explicit "drywall" tile.

[quartz cargo]

I mean houses in the us are 99% drywall

And I didn’t mean it as destroying literal “drywall” tiles

More as just needing a sledgehammer to break walls in a home (which would be drywall) seems unreasonable

[alpine trout]

all walls in us are drywall? oO

[quartz cargo]

For the most part yes

[alpine trout]

damn,isnt that easy to brake

[deft heart]

Yes

Yes it is.

[restive flume]

Easy to fix at least

I do agree with the sledgehammers, I can understand the rarity for balance sake, but if their only good purpose is to tear down walls, then I don't see the need for them to be so rare, when like a home depot irl can store hundreds of them

[alpine trout]

well i see it will be hard to survive the zombie virus in the us then,the zombies will brake in any rooms

[restive flume]

But we got guns up the ass here

No joke though, last I remember, the us population holds about 50% of all firearms worldwide

[alpine trout]

yea,we dont have guns in my country,our army has a grenade and some firearms tho

[restive flume]

US houses interior walls are only mostly made out of drywall btw, exterior walls are still made of either adobe, shiplap, bricks etc.

[deft heart]

A singular grenade

[alpine trout]

yes 😄

[deft heart]

I kid, of course, but yeah the US legitimately has more guns than people if the last source I remember is to be believed

[restive flume]

Raise hell, praise Dale

[alpine trout]

last time i googled,US has 4-7 guns to 1 civilian

[spark topaz]

47 guns per civilian goddamn

/j

[quartz cargo]

Depends on where you live

[restive flume]

I know, it's different everywhere

[quartz cargo]

Most places with earthquakes use mostly wood and drywall

Just because brick tends to explode during earthquakes

[restive flume]

And most places with hurricanes stick to bricks and sturdier buildings so they can stay standing when hit with floods

[quartz cargo]

I never understood the drywall slander

[restive flume]

It's because people actually think when we mention drywall, it's assumed the entire house is made out of it

[quartz cargo]

I mean it is a lot of times

[restive flume]

Well just the interior ofc

[quartz cargo]

True

It’s just so easy to fix and reroute water and electrical

[restive flume]

Exactly, and if sections get damaged, it's literally as easy as cutting the damaged bit out and replacing it with freshly cut drywall

[north crag]

Sledgehammers should be removed from the game

[quartz cargo]

True

[restive flume]

The only really bad thing with drywall from like the 70s is there is asbestos in it, but modern drywall has that taken out thankfully

[restive flume]

y tho

[quartz cargo]

It’s also way more cost effective than 8 inches of brick/concrete

[north crag]

I make map mods. Every time a player destroys a wall, something inside me breaks

[restive flume]

Oof, true

But people are gonna want to demolish obv

I do at least so I can make rooms bigger

[lilac spruce]

Gonna destroy you

[deft heart]

https://tenor.com/view/destruction-gif-23459642

[north crag]

[slim summit]

why do i have a feeling that they're going to add bows

i mean, build 42 has a whole point of surviving in the winderness, right?

it isnt entirely far off

[north crag]

Isn't there an image with the entire tech tree of bows and crossbows?

[tough kestrel]

If they don't add bows I would be surprised too yeah

[ebon echo]

Any new news on build 42?

[lilac spruce]

Because they are lmao

[slim summit]

[lilac spruce]

They showed off the crafting tree

And one of the things they displayed was fletchery

[slim summit]

oooh mah god

[ancient knoll]

It seems that Discord messed up the image quality

[tacit bough]

have they said anything about high framerate support, or at least decoupling the game framerate from the camera framerate so panning could at least be smooth?

[ornate trench]

I saw the word crannequin in there, and I realize it's a real piece of equipment for pulling a crossbow.
But I couldn't help but imagine the player making one out of an arm from one of the mannequins in the shops around the map

[fallen glade]

Yes, I believe high framerate and high resolution support was something mentioned in one of the past two or so thursdroids

[tough kestrel]

nice

[lilac spruce]

Nah that was on purpose

It's not all been revealed yet

[silver helm]

Err

no

[tawdry current]

shaking in seat
Just two more days till Thursdoid...😵‍💫

[silver helm]

it's jus their discord not loading the picture right

[north crag]

Hope this isn't confusing in game

Looks like a lot of stuff just for bows and arrows

[vagrant steeple]

Yeah, drywall is great

Wood framed houses in general

[lilac spruce]

Oh wait yeah lmao

But I just remember a blurred image of the whole crafting tree

[vestal spire]

crafting tree be like iron dagger smiting exploit like in skyrim

[lavish fractal]

There was a very zoomed out one in an earlier blog

I thought of the same thing at first

[lilac spruce]

yeah that one

[coarse slate]

me when the preview build 42 drops

[ancient knoll]

It's perfectly readable in my phone's gallery

[shell blaze]

NPCs and trade will exist one day to help

[lilac spruce]

In 10 years 😏

I like making my own things so rather not be gated by others, which I know settings are planned to adjust

[cosmic torrent]

i cant wait to trade a bunch of water to npcs...

thats laced with bleach

[alpine trout]

or selling them some fresh zombie meat

[shell blaze]

They will detect your crimes and annihilate you

[lilac spruce]

How is it a crime if there's no law

[slim summit]

pov: the zomboid horde seiging my ten year medieval castle

[ancient knoll]

Npc sheriff, that's how

[lilac spruce]

You gonna have karma

[viral tide]

Just one more day yayyies

[north crag]

Leapdoid tomorrow

[limber saffron]

Any idea / news about 42 release?

[ebon echo]

I am also interested

[magic viper]

Thank you!

[lilac spruce]

Its in my basement

[ancient knoll]

First half ot the year, no one knows the exact date and can be postponed with needed

[ebon echo]

I would like to know some news about the progress of the works

[limber saffron]

Okay i'll get in no worries

Seems alright

[lavish fractal]

A new blog post is expected tomorrow

[ebon echo]

Thanks for the info

[vestal spire]

good blog post that marks the ending of Febuary.

[lavish fractal]

One of these days they should release a blog that's just something like “so February was pretty wild, huh? anyway we're still working on it” and that's just it

And just leave it like that for, say, ten minutes before editing it to be the real blog

I'd like to see how people would react in that short time

[lilac spruce]

That would be hilarious please do it

[steel delta]

I was about to ask where's the thursdoid and then I realized it's wednesday.
I yearn for the weekend

[lavish fractal]

Don't we all

[vestal spire]

in thursdoid we trust

rabbit breeding in build 42 does not end up with CPU issues lol

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-rabbits-swarm-gif-4462238

[ancient knoll]

👀

[vestal spire]

dead island 2 logic using zombie organs to make weapons lol

[minor palm]

Are we...getting...brains?

[viral tide]

YEEEEEs

now we can create frankenstein fr fr no cap

[lavish fractal]

How has no one asked whether we can eat them yet

[vestal spire]

eating zombie brains are zombie brains as a distraction tool.

[lavish fractal]

There we go

[golden girder]

Wonder if brains will be used to tan animal skin

[spark topaz]

yum brains

brains?

i was brains once

they locked me in a body

a human body....

[vestal spire]

cow brains is a delicacy in some countries

[spark topaz]

i know

thats why i dont travel there with family, my mother is constantly in danger

(self burn)

/j ofc

god help us all

[vestal spire]

I wonder if Kuru will be added for eating the brains lol

[spark topaz]

the real question is: if we could put IS into a wrestling ring who would come out on top?

[vestal spire]

maybe brains as food distraction to zombies.

[spark topaz]

omg TRUUEUEEUEEE

[vestal spire]

using meats to lure zombies away.

[spark topaz]

me in my pickup truck dumping 500 brains at a enemies base

[vestal spire]

tomorrow is going to be a fun day

[fathom moat]

I wonder if we'll be able to place the brains in a jar

[tender locust]

excited for tomorrows thursdoid

[viral tide]

eating a brain

minus 15 hunger

minus 40 sanity

[vestal spire]

chance of kuru

[minor palm]

Mmmm. Spongy brain.

[radiant relic]

can you eat the brains

out-zombie the zombies?

[slim summit]

jokes on you guys

im zomboid proof cause i got my brain removed last tuesday

[fathom moat]

we’ll somehow miraculously preserve the brains’ structural integrity and get some first aid XP when dissecting and stitching them up

[north crag]

That brain obviously implies a first aid rework with brain transplant surgeries included

[earnest coral]

Pretty sure this yeah, since it's part of the crafting update, and we saw a leather tanning frame in a previous thursdoid

[north crag]

We saw workbenches for blacksmithing, tailoring and we know there's a workbench to make bows and arrows. Wonder if there's more workbenches we are not aware of

[vestal spire]

CPR in PZ would be nice

[north crag]

Imagine your character getting a heart attack if they get too scared lol

[slim summit]

i hope there chainmail

ive already seen the metal gauntlets and shoulderthing i just wonder if there chainmail

[north crag]

100% sure there will be chainmail armour

[slim summit]

now all we need is cloth tunics and we will finally be able to crusade louisville

[north crag]

Even if it isn't vanilla, there will be a mod with it in the first weeks lol

[lavish fractal]

Spiffo jarring table

I imagine there are others they haven't let us know about, but can't imagine what they'd be

[frigid sail]

Any other indie game enjoyed here? I follow Stoneshard and Exanima dev logs like I do with PZ. All of them are great games. Definitely my top 5 favorites of all time.

Enjoyers*

[north crag]

Probably a few carpentry related... Unless some of the ones used for blacksmith can also be used to cut wood, no idea

[lilac spruce]

See I doubt it

Like how would you find out how to make it

Why would you make it (before zombies)

I can see scrap armor

But Chain armor?

[north crag]

That 100% includes mods

If the devs don't do it, modders will

[lilac spruce]

Ohhhh I missed that

Scrap seems more realistic

[north crag]

Well... Maybe a museum?

A history nerd who is also a blacksmith with his house full of medieval gear? Lol

[lilac spruce]

In Kentucky

[north crag]

There's an old fort from the civil war or something (no idea about American history) on the map already. There will be a wild west town on B42. A medieval museum or something like that isn't that crazy

[lilac spruce]

I'm quite skeptical

I guess there is the Frazier museum

Okay hold up

Alright maybe i could see it

[ancient knoll]

Hope tomorrow we have a bunch of things to read, and maybe even the release date for this next build, really wants to see it rolled out

[lilac spruce]

nah

[ancient knoll]

Nah? Want to turn this into Project Devblog? I surely don't lol

[lilac spruce]

yes

[ancient knoll]

Hahaha, that was some convincing argument

[lilac spruce]

I didnt know there was a debate

[north crag]

I just want to see horses

Leapdoid tomorrow

[minor palm]

Place your bets on the hour the Thurdoid drops (include a timezone, your own or otherwise, obviously)

1PM CST, betting 500 doid points

[north crag]

The release hour is a boring bet tbh

I bet they are finally showing horses this time (I'll look like a fool tomorrow)

[lilac spruce]

I'm guessing based on that tweet they'll show butchering

[zealous breach]

just want a fire rework update

its been what 9 months ish?

animal update too of

ofc**

[north crag]

I remember they showed a new animation for campfires a while ago

It looked cool

[tawdry current]

Hoping the brains tease means they're adding chemistry as a skill.
Finding components to distill and create new compounds. Brains being a handy common ingredient.

[lilac spruce]

And uh......what chemical would that be

[minor palm]

They haven't discussed fire for a while, and I don't think they've revisited it since. It's likely gonna be a 42.xx update.

[bright burrow]

what is it?

[fathom moat]

I’ll bet one Spiffo in a jar that they’ll cover lockpicking and more glimpses into the new CDs and VHS tapes in tomorrow’s Thursdoid at around 10 AM PST

[shell rune]

I'm hoping we get to see something about an updated electricity system

[brittle ether]

a skilled armorer could fairly easily figure it out, most everyone knows it exists and all it is is a ton of simple chain links bound together

[flat iron]

True, though going into a medieval museum to recover an old senior and use it does sound cool

armour*

[shell blaze]

There's always a law, it's just extremely unfair and tyrannical if it isn't democratic

[shell blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-date-the-most-complete-woman-ive-ever-known-boat-steve-martin-gif-11158656

[cinder dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/321380054280175616/1201690214750494730/slownet.gif

[lavish fractal]

The fact that I knew what that was going to be since gifs don't load like that on discord but still waited anyway

Anyhow looking forward to this thread being locked and moving onto the next one with you all 🫡

[flat iron]

It has been nice, looking forward to the next one 🫡

Aaany hour now