general_chat

[quick sparrow]

Everyone has their opinions on things though

[oblique stream]

Everyone does

[frosty tulip]

Yeah but you can at least understand why people don't like him right?

[oblique stream]

But only mine is valid

[frosty tulip]

Dude says super inflammatory shit

[oblique stream]

Jk ofc

[oblique stream]

Dude says dumb shit, does dumb shit and is a slimeball

[quick sparrow]

I'll have to watch more to really find out what you're meaning, I've only seen like a handful of clips and game criticisms here and there

[oblique stream]

And he does get a lot of money

Just like any other content thief

[tall glen]

he's definately a goblin

[oblique stream]

Just like that stupid ai

[quick sparrow]

I mean, he's a WoW player so that's to be expected

[oblique stream]

Nah, Thor is a goblin king

[oblique stream]

Like can you imagine how xqc would live

If he wasn't a content thief

[tall glen]

I wanna make 3rd tier reaction videos

where we reacto to someone reacting over something

[quick sparrow]

Probably working at Target or sumn

Just a regular dude

[oblique stream]

He is hypocritical

[gloomy totem]

EIN ZWEITER ENGEL HAT DIE TÜRME GETROFFEN

[tall glen]

ya

[gloomy totem]

mein gott

[oblique stream]

He said that people should be okay with loosing their jobs to ai

While his whole income

[gloomy totem]

I fucking hate this hungarrian prick midget man, but, I'm not an asshole so I'm stabbing him to death instead of defenstrating him

[oblique stream]

Is essentially stolen

[gloomy totem]

how?

people literally give him money, and watch ads to access his content

[quick sparrow]

Mainly because a majority of average people don't have an appreciation for what goes into art and writing.

[gloomy totem]

I assume

[tall glen]

given a window of opportunity I chose defenestration

[icy vigil]

Stolen in a moral way (which has no consequence legally)

[gloomy totem]

I have too much honor so I'll keep getting stabbed to death by a hungarian midget instead

[icy vigil]

Bad taste sure, but not illegal

(So far)

[gloomy totem]

isn't he just a streamer

[icy vigil]

Sharp doesnt like asmongolds react content

[oblique stream]

And his content is mainly reacting to stuff

[oblique stream]

I dont like any reaction content like Asmongold

[icy vigil]

Ye

[frosty tulip]

By stolen they mean the dude just streams their reaction to videos that they didn't ask the creator for permission

[icy vigil]

God bless 2016

[gloomy totem]

if you don't want people reacting to your content, you can puy a legal disclaimer in

[frosty tulip]

You're able to get away with that, but still super scummy

[oblique stream]

Soo he won't steal from you

[gloomy totem]

like just say legally by continuing past a point you agree not to share the content further

[oblique stream]

But from the neighbor

And that's still

Surprisingly

Bad

[gloomy totem]

believe that's technically a less legally binding contract

[frosty tulip]

Go through these hoops so some guy doesn't freeload off your work

Rather than that dude just not being a scumbag and making his own content instead

[gloomy totem]

"some hoops" is literally just a title card

[frosty tulip]

Either way, I'm not saying it's definitely illegal, I'm just saying he's a scumbag for it

[gloomy totem]

or they could perhaps make a platform which by going onto, you agree not to share content without the link

[icy vigil]

And yet he still earns money

[frosty tulip]

Ya wanna use somebody else's content, probably should ask them first like a decent person

[gloomy totem]

instead of just uploading to places where this is allowed

[icy vigil]

This is a moral issue, and unfortunately money wins

[frosty tulip]

I'm not disagreeing with that lol

[oblique stream]

Why do you need to put up ugly security to deter not only a thief, but possible guests from coming in
Instead of not letting the thief thief

[icy vigil]

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism

[bronze moat]

You are correct.

I’m a zero and I am telling people to be concerned about elder scrolls 6.

But I’m a zero. No one will listen.

But there are SERIOUS concerns people should have.

[quick sparrow]

Personally from my current experience, I just see him as a regular dude. Sure there's things I don't agree with, but his game credit is pretty solid

[gloomy totem]

"By continuing past this point, you hereby agree to not share this content in portions larger than [xyz], and violation of this can be legally settled"

[frosty tulip]

That is a massive hoop though, they switch to another platform, losing most of their viewership

[oblique stream]

Like do you understand that he will just put his obviously not defensive viewers

To hate on you

And not just his

[gloomy totem]

wtf are you even saying

[oblique stream]

But every single reactor

[gloomy totem]

what does that mean

[tall glen]

I saw this yesterday and It made me a better person

https://youtu.be/3ZxjBi6z21s

[gloomy totem]

I love that guy

[bronze moat]

That’s his whole deal. Regular dude talks regular dude stuff.

That’s a legitimate. People like that because it’s honest.

Love him or hate him, the fact that he comes across honest in a world where everybody is lying, and scamming is actually a pretty big deal

[tall glen]

but it's legal

[harsh vault]

hai anon

[oblique stream]

I mean, if you say to a reactor to not react to stuff, there were cases when reactors send their audience on the crusade to harrass you

[gloomy totem]

that's against the rules of every mainstream platform

they get banned

no more reactor

[frosty tulip]

Lmao

[bronze moat]

You have increased my better person by 2%

[frosty tulip]

Do you think these platforms really give a shit about enforcing that?

[oblique stream]

What world he lives in

[gloomy totem]

if they don't, why do people stay on them?

[frosty tulip]

Twitch streamers get banned all the time for insane shit and a lot of it is just a day ban

[oblique stream]

No alternatives

[frosty tulip]

No alternatives, it's a monopoly

[gloomy totem]

its not though

there is competition

[frosty tulip]

Nothing significant

[gloomy totem]

people are just too lazy to move, or to make something else

[gloomy totem]

because the service the original site provides is too good to justify moving to a different one

[frosty tulip]

But that's exactly the point, "why not just leave" is such a bad argument

[icy vigil]

if you think it was do you think it would have been sued already

[frosty tulip]

If they leave to another platform, they lose most of their viewership

[gloomy totem]

we live in a crony-capitalist state, where government and economy are one in the same, and there are so mant easily solved issues, and this is what people bitch about

[frosty tulip]

They shoot themself in the foot

[bronze moat]

Wait until you hear about that millionaire teenager, who crashed his expensive car, filmed the entire thing, including when his friend was bleeding out, but he kept the phone rolling so he could create content while his friend was dying and firefighters arrived.

A few million people are saying he should never be making contact ever again. But millions more support him.

And he is now infinitely more wealthy.

This is the world we live in. Sometimes it sucks.

Sometimes it sounds like we’re living in Science Fiction horror

[gloomy totem]

this attitude is why things don't fucking change

the inconvenience of moving outweighs the negatives of the previous site

[frosty tulip]

My guy, some of these peoples channel is much of their income

So they should just leave and lose much of the income that keeps them alive

[gloomy totem]

then more people start to leave

and make the other site viable

it takes time

shit takes time

gradual change

[frosty tulip]

So it's not just an inconvenience, more that their career is gone if they try it

[gloomy totem]

plus, what's stopping you from uploading to both?

plenty of creators upload their content to multiple sites

[bronze cobalt]

then you're not really moving are you lol

[icy vigil]

but what would you have twitch do, kill itself?

[frosty tulip]

Your whole point was moving so these people don't steal your content lmao

[mellow birch]

I don't think you understand Hasan's personality very well. He isn't giving crocodile tears, he's angry. He's angry about the state of the world and is asserting himself onto it to change it in the way he feels is fit. I don't like his personality too much, he's too shallow, egotistical, and aggressive for my liking, but I respect him for both of most of his political insights and the fact he spends as much effort trying to affect the political landscape as he does.

He's rich yet rails against the state of economic inequality because he knows it's fucked up and he's unwilling to do anything but be loud about it. I think that's a good thing, not something to cringe at.

But your point of not looking up to any of these media personalities? Very true. Hasan or any of these media dipshits aren't leader-type personalities anyways, we need to become that ourselves

[gloomy totem]

it allows you to move gradually, though

[bronze cobalt]

never appoint a vanguard. vanguards don't stay vanguards as long as they can help it

[gloomy totem]

Hasan is a racist, piece of shit who doesn't understand anything. I can get deeper into it, but I'll probably bebanned

[icy vigil]

is this a copypasta

[mellow birch]

no lol

sorry if what I have to say sounds like it could be a copypasta

[bronze moat]

Remember when payday 2 tried to charge money for loot drops?

How the entire community boycott of the game?

So they reverse their decision?

That’s what it takes.

People only have the power that you allow them to have.

Multi million dollar Youtubers only make millions of dollars on YouTube, because people allow them to.

If people did not like their Contant, they would not make money on that content

[icy vigil]

its fine its just

hard to understand marie antoinette

[frosty tulip]

What's there to understand

She got her head sliced off

[gilded bridge]

No politics

[frosty tulip]

There ya go

[icy vigil]

exactly

[mellow birch]

I agree. If someone positions themselves as a vanguard you use their momentum then try to ditch them before they get too comfortable

[gloomy totem]

and the previous statement wasn't political?

[icy vigil]

speaking about understanding social injustice from a position of privilege makes me cynical

[oblique stream]

On the same note, do you think that reaction streamers will stop reacting because you put up an ugly sign

[gilded bridge]

Guys wtf is this? I just woke up

[mellow birch]

fair enough

[gloomy totem]

its called legal risk

[mellow birch]

I'm cynical of him, like I said he does it mostly for ego reasons I think

[icy vigil]

asmongold content

[mellow birch]

that's just how he operates

[gilded bridge]

I didn't get to it
This was the first political statement I saw
I just opened chat

[oblique stream]

If you are a small content creator, you don't have the money to go to court

[bronze moat]

I’m a major fan of shoe on head. She comes across as intelligent, smart, hilarious, she makes a lot of sense.

Yet every single video, she’s drinking monster energy drinks, and she always does a promotion at the beginning of her videos.

There’s a reason why, whenever she drinks from her monster energy drink that the label is always facing the camera so you can see what it is. That’s done intentionally, and of course he added her videos to make sure the ads are where she is under contract to display them.

Does not mean her Contant is not worthy. She has sponsors, so she hast to have commercials. She gets paid for those commercials.

[mellow birch]

I don't think he does it to extract profit, I think he really does it because he believes it

[oblique stream]

And you will get a lot of backlash from his and other's people audience

[ashen roost]

has anyone played PZ as dr house?

[mellow birch]

it lights a fire in him, and that's not exactly a bad thing, even if he's not the greatest person, yk?

[oblique stream]

That will call you a greedy mf that sends legal claims for no reason

[icy vigil]

instrad of knox virus everyone has lupus

[frosty tulip]

I found that the mouse bites medication doesn't work very well on zombie bites

[ashen roost]

what?

[frosty tulip]

Brotha hasn't watched house

Smh

[ashen roost]

OHHH

RIGHT

[gloomy totem]

me when lupus

[bronze moat]

And I won’t lie. It monster energy drink, or Taco Bell asked me to promote their product? I absolutely would.

But my viewership is like four people. So nobody’s watching the shit I make.

[oblique stream]

And even if, you get a lot of money from reactors, it will still not fix anything about the system

[icy vigil]

bro caught lacking

[prisma iris]

I read what you said and I cannot agree with the first part, but each to their own. Besides the political stuff and what not, the guy himself is very easy to dislike like you said (shallow, egotistical, and aggressive) which I do not like personally. Beyond that I believe you are wrong with your second statement, if you yourself are rich you should shut up when people talk about "making the rich pay" lol. That's my opinion atleast. And yeah, we shouldn't look up to ANY of these people. It's about time we get up and defend ourselves, there's a reason the 2A exists. Time and time again in History the people get tired of the bullshit and get up it's resulted in nothing but good. But yeah I cannot like him in any way, shape or form. Guy is too crocodile-like. Either way, I honestly wanna move away from this. This is just my opinion and right now I am sick so I try to keep it chill. 🙏 Ion wanna do the internet arguments, maybe another day if you wanna talk about it more :D maybe you can change my opinions on him and other people. But for now I dislike him a lot and can't stand him, idk how anyone can sit there and watch him or give him money.

Also sorry for a late reply. I was in bed.

[frosty tulip]

My god what's with the essays

[ashen roost]

some guy: i cut my hand and it hur-

[frosty tulip]

Everybody in this chat is writing em today

[oblique stream]

14 page essays

[ashen roost]

House: LUPUS

[oblique stream]

Thats a whole book

[prisma iris]

I like to yap

[frosty tulip]

I'll just write my manifesto then

[gloomy totem]

there's lupus in my house

[ashen roost]

i am NOT reading allat

[icy vigil]

you're perfect for this chat

[frosty tulip]

You gotta add paragraphs to your essay

You can't just have one wall of text

[ashen roost]

theres lupus under your bed

[frosty tulip]

Nobody will read it

[gloomy totem]

there's beds in your lupus

[oblique stream]

Hasan is a fake communist that fumes a lot and screams at anyone opposing him, throwing fits like a grown child

[bronze moat]

Wait… We can do that?

[ashen roost]

dear god....

[gilded bridge]

It's never lupus

[gloomy totem]

and has very poor arguemental skills

[oblique stream]

Why do you want to have him represent anything you believe

[prisma iris]

Yeah but as an American I hate communists 🥱 Fake or not, on the chopping block!

[gloomy totem]

there's more

[ashen roost]

RAHHHHHH DOWN WITH THE COMMIES

[icy vigil]

dont worry there have never been any communists in history

[oblique stream]

Its just putting a bad face onto the problem

[frosty tulip]

I'm still just waiting for when I become famous and I get to ruin celebrity talk shows by shilling my shitty new overpriced brand of alcohol

[oblique stream]

Just like Peta

[ashen roost]

NO

[mellow birch]

My DMs are open if you want to elaborate on this further. I've followed him for a while and I've never had the impression he's a racist. I've always thought he was pretty clever in terms of understanding situations, but he definitely fixates on stuff, gets emotional, turns it into an ego battle, and otherwise talks too much to make it easy to understand the value in what he's saying

[bronze moat]

I would go further and say that he’s dangerous.

I say this, as a member of antifa, someone who marched in the streets during the BLM protest, and I am a staunch leftist

[icy vigil]

sliding in DMs have become too complicated these days

[gloomy totem]

no matter which side, fucking idiots who believe random political horseshit which poorly represents them, and can't defend it, go serverely against their own beliefs

[ashen roost]

whats antifa? also did you riot like the others?

[icy vigil]

[gloomy totem]

I usually call them psyops of the opposing side

[mellow birch]

I understand your perspective, but I guess I disagree that anyone from a position of privilege should just "shut up". I think they should sit down when more qualified people are speaking, especially from experience and whatnot, but I think it's good to leverage your position in society to try to move things in a direction that's more just, even if you're doing it via privilege.

Not wanting to talk about it more? Fair enough, I understand wanting to just chill out. Have a good evening

[prisma iris]

chat i typically don't sleep through the day but i've just been super tired (you know, sick 🤓) and i woke up like an hour ago and drank almost a cup of COLDDDDD water and I swear it felt glorious.

[oblique stream]

Are you purposely ignoring all of our talk about how shitty he is as a person. Pls birb

[prisma iris]

Another day we can jump into the thunderdome. 🙏 Thanks for understanding

[bronze moat]

And ultimately, that’s just the nature of the world we currently live in.

I’m not exaggerating when I say everybody does this everywhere. Talk to one of your coworkers next time you can about anything political. They’ll do exactly the same thing.

They’re just not celebrity status so it doesn’t get talked about much.

Everybody’s a hypocrite. Everybody’s a liar. The vast majority of people in today’s world are trying to hustle something, somewhere just to get ahead.

That little old lady that works next to you who milk the clock for an extra 15 minutes today? She’s pulling in 40 hours overtime just to make ends meet by cheating the system.

[oblique stream]

I think if he wasn't a rich asshole that has powers just because he is wealthy

[ashen roost]

did it feel like your were drinking from a glacier?

[oblique stream]

He would still be

[bronze cobalt]

TWO MAN ENTER
THREE MAN LEAVE
NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN IT

[oblique stream]

A terrible human being

[mellow birch]

I missed some of the conversation prolly

[prisma iris]

YES, it was godly.

[mellow birch]

and yeah he's not a kind or respectful person by nature

[prisma iris]

especially after sleeping since 6~

[mellow birch]

I don't think he's all bad though

he's a bit shallow and ego-driven

[prisma iris]

i don't sleep through the day usually, i just can't. i can' nap or fall asleep but it's been one of those days.

[neat moat]

I will start avoiding poeple with tags like the plague

I'm sorry

[oblique stream]

Do you want a grown child represent real and sensible problems

He may have some points

[prisma iris]

im just too lazy to get up and get more water and i got a fever on so i found it troublesome to get out of bed without feeling like the drunken bard 2 seconds away from faceplanting into the wall.

[oblique stream]

But he shouldn't be the one to represent them

[mellow birch]

no. But people who are immature children will be at the forefront of politics in our media landscape regardless

[ashen roost]

what do you mean by tags

[mellow birch]

I'd rather one that's sincere about his anger do it than one who is faking it

[gloomy totem]

hydrate, else you may die

[bronze moat]

There were no riots. I’m in Seattle native. I was in the streets. Buildings were not burning down. Nobody was rioting.

I was outside the police precinct when the front doors were left unlocked and nobody went inside. The Seattle Police Department wanted us to go inside and they wanted us to burn it down.

We Refused

[prisma iris]

you right champ, wish me luck 🙏

[neat moat]

virgin lables

[gloomy totem]

like mine

[neat moat]

si

[gloomy totem]

I'm a minor so I'd hope I'm a virgin

[neat moat]

tru

[ashen roost]

my guy is actively becoming infected irl

[neat moat]

you get no aura though

[oblique stream]

Id still rather not have him as a bad representative of something I believe

Again, peta

They are a terrible company with terrible face

[gloomy totem]

earbuds are dying, byeee chat

[ashen roost]

okay good, but again what is antifa, im kinda slow

[oblique stream]

But they bring up some sensitive problems

[icy vigil]

what earbuds you got

[mellow birch]

I feel the same way, but tbh I think he's representative of our culture in a way that he's positioned to do some good

[gloomy totem]

Beats studio buds

[icy vigil]

😔

[oblique stream]

But because how bad they are, people will just laugh at anything they say

[mellow birch]

If there were better voices that were attracting as much attention as he was I'd want him to be quiet and stop siphoning it to himself

[oblique stream]

Without addressing the problem

[rose kestrel]

they will be a general commanding in the upcoming helium wars

[oblique stream]

My phone battery is dying

Been good venting with yall

[bronze moat]

Anti-fascist. That’s literally all it stands for.

These days it’s basically anybody who is left of center, on the extreme, and you have anarchists.

I am closer to being a communist. I’m the Bernie Sanders, kind of person politically

[mellow birch]

Bernie Sanders

communist

[young kelp]

void base raid, all hostiles down, only injury is a few bruises and a downed colonist

for some reason the void soldiers have something that brings them back to life

[oblique stream]

@quick sparrow no strong feelings just in case

[young kelp]

even if the head is gone

[mellow birch]

mf when a social democrat is communist

[oblique stream]

America when

Nationalised

[ashen roost]

oh well thats good, i dont quite know what communism fully is but still its better than following maga

[bronze moat]

But during BLM I was in the street.

Any organization saying that there were riots is not telling the truth. There’s literally a cat café on the same street that demonstration for taking place in and not a single cat was harmed and not a single window was broken.

Tear gas and all. It sucked, but I believed in the movement

[icy vigil]

at least now we know what time frogski sleeps

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-schrader-shock-realization-realisation-gif-20454516

[mellow birch]

hehehe

we will not abuse this information

we'd never

c:

[rose kestrel]

Project Zomboid Chat Nationalized

[bronze moat]

Yeah, we still need to avoid getting political in this chat room,

Even my personal discord, I don’t care what somebody is politically as long as they’re not a jerk and they just enjoy playing video games

[oblique stream]

I found a charger

[ashen roost]

well here in cali there were HELLA riots

[oblique stream]

Uppi

[ashen roost]

can i join?

[prisma iris]

got that water, a lil ice in it. godly

[bronze moat]

Yup. Fun fact: that dude who was the FIRST person to bust the window at Target?

He was a cop

[oblique stream]

They've killed helthcare, transportation(trains, aircrafts, cars)

[mellow birch]

figures

[ashen roost]

bruh....

[oblique stream]

Just because nationalization is for "dirty commies"

[mellow birch]

anyhow guys it was fun talking for a bit

gonna go talk to a friend now

[bronze moat]

Yeah antifa doxxed him the same say.

Cops were posing as protestors. They always do

[ashen roost]

im just thankful there's at least SOME good cops

[mellow birch]

not touching grass but probably more fruitful than politicsposting in pz discord lol

gn chat

[unreal bane]

Careful.

[oblique stream]

You don't want to get muted for political talks?

Gn

[rose kestrel]

lets get back to schizoposting

instead

[mellow birch]

yep that's why

I am terrified

of

gasp

a discord mute

though-

[ashen roost]

I LOVE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZ

[mellow birch]

I just saw Frogski come online

[loud pumice]

He loves boyz

[mellow birch]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-abandon-ship-funny-abort-evacuate-gif-10721574

[ashen roost]

wha-

[loud pumice]

@stone meadow they just saw you came back online

[icy vigil]

[loud pumice]

He wants to kiss you

You're his favorite little mod~

[ashen roost]

waht the shit

[icy vigil]

who wants to kiss who

[rose kestrel]

no touching its in the school rules

[quaint mortar]

question mark

[loud pumice]

[loud pumice]

You ofc

Don't you me

[rose kestrel]

Shark bait ^^^

[ashen roost]

SHARK BAIT HOO HAHA

[loud pumice]

I'll while in yo

[loud pumice]

NO

I've seen it too many times

[quaint mortar]

this video sucks

[loud pumice]

Here have this one

[rose kestrel]

"average day of a toxoplasmosis enjoyer"

[bronze moat]

Who doesn’t?!?!? They are adorable

[quaint mortar]

ai slop

[loud pumice]

Yes

But the brainrot is fantastic

[tall glen]

picture of multicringe

[ashen roost]

me because im 5 foot 3 inches

[loud pumice]

Sunnuvabich

[bronze moat]

Up to you. It’s focused on Zomboid, Helldivers, Red Dead and Valheim currently.

And my chat bots will flirt with you lol 😂

[tall glen]

is uppy even a mod

[rose kestrel]

got a special link for us?

[loud pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280657191224741991/1374840711265910804/zombie_disco.mp4?ex=6830d530&is=682f83b0&hm=38e67ef1233e008acd627238621a2e2aca4a621c9f66533daea36d5f985cb915&

[bronze moat]

smol

[ashen roost]

GRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HELLDIVERSSSSSSSSS

[loud pumice]

A tiny one

[proven field]

Nearly got ripped to shreds again

[quaint mortar]

who PINGED me

[loud pumice]

Who

[quaint mortar]

whom

[bronze moat]

Yeah! Getting my dad ready for bed then will dive soon actually. Prolly 30 mins

[ashen roost]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-garfield-garfield-meme-garfield-eat-wall-gif-26570368

[ashen roost]

FUCK

[rose kestrel]

thats bigger than a squirrel

[ashen roost]

i dont have it downloaded loll

i have zero space

[ashen roost]

also you can send me the invite in dms, i added you

[bronze moat]

Invite sent. Is a smol, weird community lol. Welcome!

[quaint mortar]

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[unreal bane]

[automoderator message]

[bronze moat]

[Automated zzz post]

https://tenor.com/view/burnice-zzz-zenless-zone-zero-zzz-burnice-burnice-dance-gif-11379222240900404037

[oblique stream]

@quaint mortar

[oblique stream]

Who doesn't

[bronze moat]

HELLDIVERS TO HELL PODS! HELLDIVERS TO HELLPODS!

https://youtu.be/Dd-Q-M9glKs?si=X1rK3LPMT6Ercr2h

[livid notch]

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-tf2-scaredy-cat-tf2-tf2taunt-tf2-soldier-gif-27534833

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[livid notch]

I would be more scared if there were GRE cars

Dying light apocalypse ain't joke bro

[toxic hawk]

Bah is easy

Just dint go out at night

[quick sparrow]

One rave would blast the virus to smithereens

[icy vigil]

life empty

[toxic hawk]

🫂

[quick sparrow]

Hell, I'm pretty sure Volatiles straight up die in direct sunlight

Cause the UV

[toxic hawk]

Takes a while

They burn

They run away mostly

[quick sparrow]

darn vampire wannabes

[toxic hawk]

Rabies doesn't like uv I guess

[icy vigil]

most microbes hate UV

[quick sparrow]

Indeed

[livid notch]

Good, mfs used to scare the shit out of me, used to

[toxic hawk]

Pseudomonas auregenosa momento

[quick sparrow]

Get you one of those microwave turrets from BO2 and you'd be just fine

3 minutes for extra crispy

[toxic hawk]

Someone stole my passport

[icy vigil]

i cant believe latias kissed ash

[toxic hawk]

Wth joshua

[native patrol]

We're close, we're so close to piling up bodies with a bulldozer

my dream

its so close

[icy vigil]

smh

🫵

you dont know pokemon

[toxic hawk]

What are you smhing

[icy vigil]

latias is probably the first individual ash ever kissed

and that was like ... 2 decades ago

[toxic hawk]

Well you don't know yugioh

[icy vigil]

i do

[neat moat]

Jamie

[toxic hawk]

What level is junk warrior

[icy vigil]

idunno

[toxic hawk]

Smh

[neat moat]

Jamie

[toxic hawk]

Yes

[neat moat]

fed me

hungy

[toxic hawk]

Get a job

[neat moat]

Croissant

[icy vigil]

3

if it has infinite uses

almost like a super-speed power

[toxic hawk]

2, use it to generate infinite energy

Solve world problems

[neat moat]

3 so I can instantly keel Jamie

[neat moat]

what

[icy vigil]

we can probably monkey paw pill #6 by killing ourselves and activate it after

[neat moat]

how

[toxic hawk]

10 hours younger

Lol

[icy vigil]

yes

[neat moat]

Jamie looks 10 hours older

[icy vigil]

If i kill myself by getting run over

and have it activated to 10 hours earlier

my body will have to be reconstructed

otherwise the pill is a scam

[neat moat]

if youre dead how will you take the pill

[toxic hawk]

I believe it'd only make you look younger

Not actually change your inner body

[icy vigil]

The guy ill hire for life insurance fraud

[neat moat]

that too

[icy vigil]

i always think 10 steps ahead

[neat moat]

they'll just steal the pill

[icy vigil]

no no, clearly you dont know monkey paw mechanics

[icy vigil]

no they wont

[toxic hawk]

I actually don't. Just that it doesn't give you what you want

[neat moat]

Jamie doesn't know much it isn't their fault

[neat moat]

no, it gives you exactly what you want

[icy vigil]

6 is a secret pill for life hax

trust

but pill 3 is the safest option

[oblique stream]

You'd be dead

But 10 hours younger

[toxic hawk]

I'll take the pill that let's me hug joshua

[neat moat]

whos Joshua

[icy vigil]

yeah, who's joshua

[toxic hawk]

Joshua graham

[neat moat]

whos that my guy

[icy vigil]

i think we can also hack pill 9 by taking einstein's body, strapping it in a treadmill and puppet it to run fast as fuck

[toxic hawk]

Why

[icy vigil]

why not

[toxic hawk]

🫂

[young kelp]

Which of these guys were the fanatics again?

[toxic hawk]

All of them

[tall glen]

9 if you are paralyzed

[icy vigil]

orks are probably the least of them

[icy vigil]

now we're talkin

[young kelp]

The ones that view the emperor as a God or something

[toxic hawk]

Don't you just love the concept of killing other sentient intelligent creatures just because they look different

[tall glen]

1 if you're a pearl harvester

got a pearl?

wait

[icy vigil]

i think astra militarum

[tall glen]

waht if oysters are liars

[icy vigil]

dark angels are too smart to be fanatics

and the rest are fanatics to different gods

[young kelp]

Oh right these are the rest

[oblique stream]

You still couldn't run

Since Einstein cant run no more

[icy vigil]

Sororitas IF in a certain time period

ultramarines are also too smart to be fanatics

[neat moat]

Orks and gene steelers are probably the only factions I like. But only if I reflavor the gene steelers to be a legit rebel uprising

[young kelp]

2

[oblique stream]

You should get a truthful oyster

[young kelp]

I can fill up holes

[icy vigil]

oyster pill can actually be useful for ultra-elite spycraft

[young kelp]

What about the hive, no wait can they even be a Fanatic if they share the same mind?

[oblique stream]

And ask them that question from that famous riddle

[icy vigil]

i thought you meant fanatic to the emperor

[young kelp]

Yea meant that at first, but was tempted when I saw the hive lmao

[icy vigil]

hmmm i think fanatics would have to be willing followers

i wouldnt count genestealers to be willing

[young kelp]

Astra it shall be then

[tall glen]

oyster pill if we get invaded by oyster aliens

[icy vigil]

astra, emperor's children, or sororitas

[neat moat]

either of you played wh fantasy?

[quaint mortar]

@oblique stream

[oblique stream]

No

They didn't have their final fantasy

[neat moat]

they did

actually

the end times was made official

[solid fjord]

I'm looking for a 3D animator

If theres someone DM me pls

[oblique stream]

Hi looking for a 3D animator

Im unfunny

[solid fjord]

Are you?

[last spoke]

Hey no, I'm the unfunny one here

[oblique stream]

Hi the unfunny one here

[last spoke]

You're stealing my thunder

[solid fjord]

Nvm

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

[oblique stream]

Look around the #creativity maybe

[neat moat]

idk why everyone always asks in dgen

the last place youd ask

[oblique stream]

Its not even the first channel

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-vs-piccolo-piccolo-jr-homing-homing-missile-ki-beam-gif-25422451

[oblique stream]

Its after channel called pz chat

[neat moat]

plungies on their way to ask thier random shit to dgen

[oblique stream]

Plungers on their way to ask zomboid question

In any channel but #pz_b42_chat

[solid fjord]

True

[arctic crater]

Is there a beekeeping mod ? Or is it scheduled in future update ? I think it could be à really nice and cozy thing to add : )

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-the-shark-marvel-rivals-kill-jeff-the-shark-yowd-gif-7825075933685935821

[trail palm]

https://tenor.com/view/im-ai-with-the-braids-gif-21981598

[oblique stream]

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-rat-in-a-cage-rat-cage-rage-gif-10047273596784400314

[swift crag]

Thunder rat dome

[oblique stream]

Oi

Hi Maepple

[toxic hawk]

victory

[toxic relic]

i genuinely think people dont read

[swift crag]

wha?

[swift crag]

hey

[toxic relic]

they just:
-join
-immediately start asking their random question without thinking if its been asked before, or if theyre in the correct channel.

[oblique stream]

Have you learned time names in Russian?

[toxic relic]

or if asking "when mp" is worth it

[swift crag]

What's that? Never heard of it.

[neat moat]

whos the first fart face

[toxic relic]

dad

[swift crag]

Whatcha mean?

Like time of day?

[oblique stream]

Like in English, when you get asked time and you answer with something like "five o clock"

[toxic relic]

yw for that clownade

[burnt kite]

хуй часов утра

[swift crag]

День утро ночи are the three on my mind.
Пять something?

Idk how to say it with the time of day

[neat moat]

English only pls 🤓

[oblique stream]

Just say five hours and time of day

Like five hours in the morning

[burnt kite]

its 5 hours of the day

5pm

[swift crag]

I can count to 10 in Russian but I never fully remembered and internalised the teen and beyond

[oblique stream]

17:00

[swift crag]

In Russian you dunce

[toxic relic]

yeah

do that, in russian

[oblique stream]

Just translate it

[burnt kite]

literally translate that to russian

and thats how you say it in russian

[swift crag]

._.

[burnt kite]

i showed how the sentence is structured

its [time] of [time period]

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-time-to-duel-card-gif-12403495

[oblique stream]

I was gonna say about how much I hate when people say "6 pm without 15 minutes" in russian

[burnt kite]

just say the fucking time unc

[swift crag]

Dude I am fuckin' sick af my brain is not up to processing things like this

[neat moat]

sleep meds

[toxic relic]

its the same in bulgarian ngl

[oblique stream]

So in English, you say just five pm, right?

You also say essentially the same thing in russian

[neat moat]

guys

[oblique stream]

But there is also something like -ly

[swift crag]

You're actually gonna give me an aneurysm right now.

[neat moat]

https://tenor.com/view/no-russian-mw2-call-of-duty-modern-warfare2-gif-18546572

[toxic relic]

its the same thing but just 'deconstructed'

[oblique stream]

So like fively pm

[toxic relic]

5 pm : 5 hours past noon

[oblique stream]

And that means 4 pm

[swift crag]

Sharp, why you trying to teach me Russian?

[neat moat]

a quarter till noon 🧐

[oblique stream]

@burnt kite gets me

[unreal bane]

https://tenor.com/view/today-is-friday-in-california-gif-25066545

[burnt kite]

i do know russian

[neat moat]

Hana are you stalking me????

[oblique stream]

Not teach, just thought you'd be someone appropriate to talk about it

[burnt kite]

yesteday i stretched too hard and almost fainted

[swift crag]

Huh?

[oblique stream]

I thought you knew more in russian than

[swift crag]

I know some parts, but I really didn't learn a whole lot.

[oblique stream]

I see

[swift crag]

and it's also been years since I have.

[swift crag]

What was the reasoning to bring it up btw then?

[oblique stream]

Chit chat while im waiting for something

[swift crag]

Hmm

[swift crag]

How much do you know in Russian then?

[oblique stream]

Its my first language

[swift crag]

Ah, I'm sorry for your loss.

I got interesting in learning Russian due to grandparents and beyond mostly coming from Russian speaking countries.

[oblique stream]

Indeed

I wish to learn greek some time

My family tree goes from greece after all

[burnt kite]

i keep trying to learn languages but eventually give up

[swift crag]

I just stopped enjoying any hobby I had.

[toxic hawk]

I like

[young kelp]

Get the green bird app

[burnt kite]

its fully ai now

and it sucked ass before

[young kelp]

[burnt kite]

whats with this server harbouring so many depressed people

[burnt kite]

maybe i should just teach myself with books

[toxic relic]

duolingo is ass

[surreal mirage]

They want to make everything AI. The ceo said AI is better than actual lecturers

[swift crag]

I don't know if I would call myself depressed.

[toxic relic]

from experience, i would suggest immersing yourself in the language with tv, movies, books , etc in that language-maybe try to ask someone who speaks it to hang out so you can try and get casual conversation with a real person

[swift crag]

The CEO bought into the lies of big AI

[surreal mirage]

Yuppers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/duolingo-ceo-says-ai-better-091300739.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALqwK3XudgEVCdyRELBg795pqrYnX2uidZFrZUF9GhJGTfQhIy4M3g1NeoThsixxM41DECEwfoRbYmCnDWkKaMo12OdY5gumYvHOTJiK58cEdSknJuLxF1dHH2PGMp1ec8TqBQkiVwF6l5vc6JNupw4f9scjY10BvlWFHmxNcQ8C

[toxic relic]

reading old creepypasta is hilarious

ai teachers in school

we're more than cooked at this point

[silver plank]

Youre just afraid of AI because you dont understand it and can't control it

[toxic relic]

what the fuck lmao

no

theres no fear mate

[silver plank]

It's the same way youre afraid of anything new you cant understand

[toxic relic]

ai is just glorified autocorrect now

hallucinations

[surreal mirage]

AI is just ass in a lot of scenarios

[toxic relic]

🤨

again, no

[surreal mirage]

Deffo not better than teachers

This is ragebait

[toxic relic]

its not fear and we know what "ai" is

[toxic relic]

i would agree but

bella says some...off kilter things sincerely sometimes

[surreal mirage]

[toxic relic]

i eat kebab

[surreal mirage]

Kebabs are peak

[silver plank]

No idea what blocked message is saying but the world will embrace AI and it doesnt care what some discord keyboard warrior pesudointelectual thinks.

Be against AI all you want. It will thrive and evolve while you rot.

[surreal mirage]

Pretty sure fartass is the opposite of pseudo

Anyways, AI has it's uses, but not replacing teachers in schools isn't one of them

[silver plank]

No, it will be used as a learning tool

[surreal mirage]

I've seen some of the shit AI spurts out and it can be called objectively incorrect

Define learning tool

[mellow birch]

AI being used to help people learn makes sense, but it replacing the role of teachers entirely like you seem to be implying does not.

[mellow birch]

and why are you saying this like it's a win?

people being replaced and left to rot while machines take away our capacity and need for interpersonal connection is a terrible thing

[silver plank]

Media and memes gave you excedingly high expectations of AI. And failing to understand its a new and young technology.

Movies taught you machines are perfect.

[mellow birch]

why would you flaunt that like it's an own?

[silver plank]

But you are wrong more often than chatgpt is

All organic matter rots. You see it as an own. I see it as nature.

[mellow birch]

not what I'm talking about

You used that like an insult to Fartface there

like it's a legitimate argument to shut his position down

[toxic relic]

imagine bootlicking ai shareholders

insane

[silver plank]

AI will keep being developed to be better. While we humans are slaves to our frail body.

AI is just going to become a collective of mankind. For good.

Your fear of tech wont change that.

[toxic relic]

"fear of tech"

[surreal mirage]

I have shares in AI companies, continue making me money

[toxic relic]

"keyboard warrior pseudointellectual"

[silver plank]

And thats just what AI is. A mirror of mankind.

[toxic relic]

what are these arguments

[silver plank]

Im glad. The more money the better.

[toxic relic]

they dont even make sense in this context

[swift crag]

Why use sub-par AI to replace Human creavity and hobbies that they do for enjoyment?

[mellow birch]

I think you have a shallow perspective you're overly confident in.

[toxic relic]

its like critiquing ai activated a sleeper agent thats spewing generic arguments

weird

[icy vigil]

until when will it remain subpar

[toxic relic]

always dude

[silver plank]

If youre replaced by AI maybe you arent as talented as you think.

[surreal mirage]

Bro is using AI to argue

[swift crag]

Even if it was better than people you miss the point lamo.

[toxic relic]

fucking insane

[toxic relic]

[mellow birch]

seriously? Capitalist efficiency is always correct in judging the value of human labor?

[toxic relic]

chatgpt, write an argument for ai please i cant think for myself

[mellow birch]

that's nonsense.

[icy vigil]

my ultimate point is if its cheaper and profitable it will prevail

[mellow birch]

That's the position you're arguing for

[surreal mirage]

The original argument was that teachers should not or cant be replaced by AI.

[mellow birch]

and it's ultimately against your and our collective betterment and self-interest

[icy vigil]

doesnt matter if its slop if people make money

[toxic relic]

capitalist realism

[icy vigil]

capitalism has no place for principles or ideals

[toxic relic]

in chat

in my discordia?

[silver plank]

I think the most anticapitalist thing you ever done is being unemployed

[toxic relic]

what

[mellow birch]

lol okay

[silver plank]

Bring in the punk rock bands

[swift crag]

I've drawn things that I've never seen on the internet and AI doesn't even know where to begin with those things, they just copy people, it's not getting better it's just averaging what people create at the moment with current techniques to make it.

[mellow birch]

you're just here to insult people, then

[toxic relic]

i agree

[quaint mortar]

based

[silver plank]

Do you feel insulted?

[mellow birch]

no, I just think that's all you care about

[icy vigil]

but how much would people pay for that

[toxic relic]

it seems bella has a narrow minded view of others and is extremely set in that view

[mellow birch]

you're trying to win and get one up on people

[swift crag]

My art?

[silver plank]

Youre afraid of AI

[mellow birch]

and saying whatever quippy bullshit will make you feel like that

[icy vigil]

yes

[swift crag]

Nothing since I don't charge for it, I don't do it for payment.

[toxic relic]

whats wrong with being afraid

[surreal mirage]

I sometimes ask AI about topics I'm knowledgeable in and notice it makes a decent amount of mistakes. It also has a habit of contradicting itself lmao

[toxic relic]

or insulted when someone calls you unemployed

or an idiot

idk what the fuck you're trying to say bella

[mellow birch]

and you're confidently sure that it won't and can't hurt you

or anyone else

[icy vigil]

its getting better

[toxic relic]

"its getting better"

hallucinations man

[icy vigil]

denying that it is is naive

[toxic relic]

they plague our minds

[icy vigil]

and idealistic

[silver plank]

Watch the Second Renaissance short film. Maybe it will help you understand AI better. And more importantly, how we as humans react to it.

[toxic relic]

i wouldnt say its getting better

[swift crag]

AI getting the temperature requirements to cook foods in certain environments correct leading to high risk of food poisoning and death.

[mellow birch]

that because it's technologically 'progressive' it will inherently make the world a better place for more people

[toxic relic]

id say its being fed more information unethically

[icy vigil]

just look at its improvements from 2021

[mellow birch]

and you're arrogantly pushing aside anyone else who doesn't think that's true as idiots

unemployed keyboard warrior losers who have nothing of value to say

it's stupid on your part to do that

[toxic relic]

real

[mellow birch]

this is more serious than that

[silver plank]

So you are trusting this very new and undeveloped technology to show you how to cook instesd of using a recipe?

Seems like human failure.

[toxic relic]

is that not a strawman fallacy

[icy vigil]

right now people are smug about recognizing AI, but being too complacent with that is dumb

[toxic relic]

character assassination or something

[icy vigil]

AI will be normal eventually

[silver plank]

Yup

[swift crag]

By removing yet another angle of human collaboration to create things?

[mellow birch]

exactly, that's my point

or part of it at least

[toxic relic]

yeah birb isnt agreeing with that thought, they're just explaining bellas viewpoint

if im reading correctly

[silver plank]

Who made AI flawed? Us humans?

[toxic relic]

we're cooked

[silver plank]

Isnt the failure of AI just a reflection of the creators?

[toxic relic]

truly steak overdone

charcoal

[mellow birch]

no, it's a reflection of more than that

[silver plank]

Dude if i blocked you dont type at me im not reading it lol

[swift crag]

I think that's a overall net negative for the welbeing of humankind.

[mellow birch]

you said it's a mirror for humanity and I agree with that

[surreal mirage]

Bro that steak has been atomised by a nuclear bomb

[toxic relic]

yeah....

[swift crag]

It's not being used for farming, or more efficient number crunching or creating buildings at the moment.

It's slowed down my research by 10x to find information.

[icy vigil]

"At the moment" is carrying that sentiment a lot

[toxic relic]

ive seen my colleagues try to write proofs with chatgpt

its so ass

[surreal mirage]

AI is gonna limit research skills in so many students because they're using it as a search engine

[swift crag]

It's a mirror of the desires of the wealthy that create them.

[silver plank]

AI is new technology and like all new technology it isnt perfect and it has flaws

Why do you hold it to such high standards? Watched too many sci fi movies?

[mellow birch]

I'm not expecting the technology to be perfect

it hallucinating or being flawed isn't my problem with it

[surreal mirage]

Scouring the internet for relevant sources is an art in itself

[mellow birch]

I'm concerned about how it is being implemented and the place in society it will slot itself into

[swift crag]

I don't think we should've integrated this flawed version of AI onto everyone in it's current state, it's done nothing but cause more negative than positives imo.

[restive pollen]

Lmao just had the best ranked match in marvel rivals. I was literally the only player on my team

[toxic relic]

fr

research is an entire field

[silver plank]

Theres billions of humans in the world.
Just go outside if you worry so much about removing human interaction.

[quaint mortar]

1v5?

[mellow birch]

you're individualizing the problem too much, try to look at the bigger picture

[surreal mirage]

Fr bro, that skill is being stripped from students coz of AI

[warm atlas]

Greetings gentleman

[mellow birch]

I'm saying that less and less people will have a reason to care to interact, there will be less of a need to for so much basic stuff

[toxic relic]

you still addicted to rivals?

[quaint mortar]

hello solaris

[toxic relic]

evening

[silver plank]

Thats already been happening for decades before AI even came into the picture

[icy vigil]

is it the fault of AI though. If anything it only exposes that humans value convenience of principles

[surreal mirage]

Gonna go make my AI breakfast and talk to my AI family

[warm atlas]

Will he chug it or sip it

[mellow birch]

yeah, you're right

AI ups the ante though

and that's horrible

[icy vigil]

and in that sense, the issue is with upbringing and not AI

[swift crag]

The whole internet was designed to be a far more efficient way of sharing information, and we've literally automated averages, hallucinations and data that is not at all peer reviewed to take up a large space of finding it now.

[mellow birch]

it's worth being concerned about

[icy vigil]

if you want children to value hard work give them social structures that will support that habit

[mellow birch]

if you're not you're not paying attention

[surreal mirage]

Issue is that AI is inaccurate

[icy vigil]

dont stifle technology

[toxic relic]

chug, my guy

[warm atlas]

not a lot of progress

[warm atlas]

Fair

[toxic relic]

"dont stifle technology"

[icy vigil]

then dont use AI, make children not use AI

[toxic relic]

not all technology is progression mate

[silver plank]

I think discord and internet avatars create more alienation than AI

[surreal mirage]

People advertise AI as this perfect thing and kids will substitute it as a search engine

[swift crag]

Humans in the current state cannot outpost automation of them.
The power use of them is insane. Microsoft literally re-opened the plant that caused the worst nuclear disaster in the USA, three mile island to train AI.

[silver plank]

Dehumanizing

[icy vigil]

id argue AI today will be

[toxic relic]

it is an objective statement to say that many new technologies have been a direct regression
and i heavily disagree with this

[icy vigil]

but that's more on faith rather than concrete evidence

[mellow birch]

having a persona, pen-name, or character is something older than the internet

I view having an internet avatar as an extension of that

[warm atlas]

The AI debate

[toxic relic]

[warm atlas]

Interesting

[frosty tulip]

Don't stifle technology fartface, be excited and embrace all the improvements Raytheon are making to make their missiles even more devastating

[mellow birch]

it's a way of coping with alienation rather than alienation itself

[toxic relic]

how i learned to love the bomb

[icy vigil]

i think capitalists will try to profit off of AI before making it actually useful for production or making a post-scarcity society

but that'll be a short period

[mellow birch]

I guess at a point they become indistinguishable though

[swift crag]

Making the most environmentally safe device of mass destruction.

[frosty tulip]

This is a Raytheon household

[toxic relic]

no mate, its always profit, thats how enshittification works

again, not a hypothetical or based on feeling. this is a documented process

i think youre being too idealistic

[swift crag]

Discord gave server owners the ability to add microtransactions to their servers smh

[icy vigil]

you can only advance so much before a profit motive starts to lose sense

[mellow birch]

being able to use social media is an example of a technological development that I can imagine a future where it's beneficial in combatting alienation rather than intensifying it

it's about monetization and community access

[silver plank]

Every AI failure is a big funny meme. But the bigger failure is kids asking chatgpt for legal advice.

[mellow birch]

how the digital and physical worlds are so separate

[frosty tulip]

What?

[toxic relic]

i fucking hate it here

[surreal mirage]

Capitalists not having profit motives isn't a sentence I'll ever hear

[toxic relic]

this doesnt make sense lmao

[frosty tulip]

Dude, do you know how obsessed these rich elites are with continuing to make as much money as they can

[mellow birch]

but in a world where we use AI to do our creative and critical thinking endeavors for us?

[icy vigil]

look how much cheaper transport is now before automotives or metal industries

before travelling at sea would almost be a death sentence

[mellow birch]

I can only imagine it being a good thing it people use it with the understanding of an advanced notebook, or something

[silver plank]

Except that social media causes even higher alienation

[icy vigil]

technology tends towards making things easier

[toxic relic]

im not sure what your point is shark

[icy vigil]

and it wont make sense to still use horses when we have trains

no one should pay for worse things

[mellow birch]

I agree

[toxic relic]

okay yeah, i would say you're relying on narrow anecdotal history to make an idealistic argument.
i did not say that all tech is bad.
i said that ai isnt a progression

[mellow birch]

but you're comparing a mature technological paradigm shift with an immature one

I predict that AI, if allowed to take root like social media did, will be way worse

[icy vigil]

id say AI will be

[toxic relic]

based on what

[icy vigil]

there's no need to fear something you dont understand

[toxic relic]

dude what

[mellow birch]

that's why I'm worried

[toxic relic]

now you just sound like bella

im not afraid, i dont "not understand"

[mellow birch]

and why I think it's dumb you're being so flippant about this

[icy vigil]

then why deny AI

[frosty tulip]

Why shouldn't they fear something that's going to cause so many people to lose their jobs

[toxic relic]

because i know what it is

[icy vigil]

I like AI for the potential of automation

because it is there

[toxic relic]

ive literally made LLMs before

[icy vigil]

youve made your LLMs before

[swift crag]

Some industries just replaced the same workers for "AI technicians" 1:1 work positions.
and I can only imagine that to be a creative loss with no real benefit.

[toxic relic]

i know what it is and i know what its used for, and what its planned to be used for, and i know the impact that its having

i dont understand the level of projection here

[icy vigil]

no you dont

[toxic relic]

"you just dont get it"

mate....

id say its the other way around

[silver plank]

If you lose your job to AI maybe you should look into a different career. Its the same argument that has always been used against new technology.

Your great grand father said the same about factories automation.

[mellow birch]

and the great grand father was right

[icy vigil]

but yes, my argument hinges of faith that humans aren't fundamentally evil

[silver plank]

It eliminated some useless careers and actually increased life quality in the end.

[mellow birch]

it meant fewer people needed to be employed and it became harder for workers to organize on their own behalf

[icy vigil]

there could be bad stuff along the way but itll tend to be better

[young kelp]

fucking hell, STAY DEAD FOR GODS SAKE I WANNA LOOT YOUR BASE!

[toxic relic]

yeah...so nothing actually based on anything

wild

[icy vigil]

we're not dead yet

[silver plank]

If it wasnt for factory automation you wouldnt have a computee or even a car. They would be super expensive.

[swift crag]

Factories traded quality of work for uniform quality, and changed people getting paid for how good they work to just be paid by hour.

[toxic relic]

what the fuck man

[icy vigil]

despite all wars. And cooperation is a human aspect

[mellow birch]

of course that doesn't mean I think we should forgo any sort of automation entirely, don't misunderstand me

[frosty tulip]

Ah ye, the AI increasing life quality by stealing artists work and merging them into a soulless art piece

[mellow birch]

but you aren't thinking about the human cost of automation at all

[toxic relic]

the increasing life quality of environmental impact

[silver plank]

Same old song

Just substitute AI with whatever new technology

[toxic relic]

the increasing life quality of lower job opportunities and enshittification of the internet

[swift crag]

IMO, it goes beyond just art and creativity. Saying it's exclusively is that is an injustice.

[icy vigil]

do you think AI will only be used for bad things

[toxic relic]

even using the word "ai" is a misnomer

[icy vigil]

sure

[mellow birch]

I think that AI is fundamentally different because of its ability to act as a social substitute that doesn't require another human's input at any point in the process except creating the LLM

[icy vigil]

do you think LLMs will only be used for bad things

[toxic relic]

thats reductive

[mellow birch]

it's a unique challenge

[icy vigil]

wym

[mellow birch]

just flattening out the risks of AI to "new tech upsetting things" is shortsighted

[toxic relic]

im saying that it IS by a large majority being used/causing devastatingly negative "things"

not a hypothetical

[frosty tulip]

The question would more be "Do you think those benefits outweigh the numerous consequences"

[icy vigil]

it is currently

as with many things but it can be better

[silver plank]

Comission arists now will need to actually be talented to compete with AI? Nice! We wont have to suffer shitty deviant art people who charge a leg and an arm for some basic drawing.

If I want good art then Ill pay someone who is actially talented, but if I just need some shitty doodle I can use AI rather than pay 50 USD for a commission

[toxic relic]

again, if you have any actual research instead of blind faith

ill be more inclined to listen to you

but you're hinging your entire argument on "the faith that itll eventually be better"

[frosty tulip]

Lmao yeah, fuck commission artists apparently

[icy vigil]

the internet was a miltary invention before it was for wide usage

[swift crag]

The USA literally allowed microsoft to reopen three mile island to train AI, that is essentially power for like 800,000 homes. and that all goes exclusively to number crunching to copy people's work.
This goes far beyond just work place, but affects people's utility prices, and general well being.

[frosty tulip]

The filthy rich commission artist elites

[silver plank]

If AI kills a market that is basicallya burden then good.

[frosty tulip]

They've been profiteering from us for too long

[toxic relic]

insane

[icy vigil]

the origins of modern fertilizer was for warfare rather than food production

[carmine monolith]

how is the art market a burden

[silver plank]

That just means microsoft is shitty and so are capitalists. Old news.

[mellow birch]

a burden to who?

are you even thinking about what you're saying?

[swift crag]

And they literally have 30 billion in taxes they're still avoiding to pay.

[toxic relic]

yeah ok, i understand your 'point' but you're not actually saying anything substantial

[icy vigil]

says you

[mellow birch]

Jesus Bella.

[toxic relic]

you're just saying, essentially, that "itll work itself out"

and dismissing the negative impact that all these things have

[icy vigil]

it supports my view that what may be evil now wont always be

[toxic relic]

or had

[swift crag]

Why should we allow big corporations to ruin the wellbeing of communities letalone humanity's shared resources?

[carmine monolith]

idk bella calling artists a burden is wild

[mellow birch]

the basic premise is that market logic is fundamentally correct in its value judegments

[icy vigil]

and we tend for the better of everyone

[silver plank]

How about artists get better rather than complain about AI stealing their jobs?

Its the same argument like

[carmine monolith]

i could write 3 paragraphs but its 3am

[silver plank]

Illegal aliens stealing our jobs

[toxic relic]

so...you admit that you're only listening to what supports your view

[icy vigil]

no

[carmine monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-yes-no-maybe-scarecrow-gif-23290347

[toxic relic]

people that dont understand the impact of art calling it bad

[icy vigil]

my argument is AI will tend towards a good thing

[silver plank]

Oursourcing stealing our jobs

[carmine monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/strawman-argument-debate-ref-debate-referee-meme-gif-3897723626715654039

[toxic relic]

i will disagree, based on actual evidence 👍

[icy vigil]

correct me if im wrong, you hate LLMs because what it is now

[silver plank]

Same old song

Just fear of the unknown

[mellow birch]

because cutting humans out of the creative and communicative process is societally harmful, just saying "skill issue" to people having their niche taken away is callous and dumb

[frosty tulip]

Lmao what

Comparing people hating immigrants to people hating AI

[toxic relic]

i hate ai for many reasons, one being what its planned to be used for in the future-based on actual patents that are being credited

[frosty tulip]

What hahaha

[mellow birch]

artists won't be able to cultivate that skill because they won't be able to make a living off of it

[silver plank]

Its how the world works.

[toxic relic]

did they actually say that

[silver plank]

It may seem cruel.

Bur it is what it is. Money talks baby

[toxic relic]

i blocked them so ididnt have to read it

insane

[swift crag]

Many of the people with an internet connection can't mate.

[icy vigil]

enumerate

[toxic relic]

alright let me get them

[mellow birch]

that's what you think is a valid argument for why we should be okay with this?

[carmine monolith]

the thing is, the ai is literally using human work to do that, so if humans are cut out of the process. the ai stops making creative works. what then?

itll just keep reusing the same styles over and over and the entire art scene becomes bland in 10-20 years

[silver plank]

You either ride the wave or get dragged and drowned by it

[swift crag]

We only have so many artists, and many people realise how fruitless it is to try to create a career when you have to compete with other countries that have far lower living expanses.
I can't compete in Australia to the same quality and time spent to the USA, and that's only comparing two major countries, not to mention literally billions of people's home countries that are not in those two.

[silver plank]

You think you can stop companies from investing millions in AI if you win this discord argument?

[mellow birch]

I don't think you're worth talking to about this until you think about it more. You're just flinging phrases out without considering the implications.

[silver plank]

Will it actually have any meaningful outcome in the grand scheme of things?

[mellow birch]

no, that's not why I'm having it

[carmine monolith]

we are trying to convince you to have some empathy

thats what this argument is

and to see that this maybe isnt the best thing ever

[sour gull]

"empathy" on the internet is crazy

[mellow birch]

just. I think I'm done.

[icy vigil]

@toxic relic psst

you dont have to anymore

[mellow birch]

block me for that if you want.

[icy vigil]

we're arguing for two things and we disagree

[toxic relic]

https://www.techbusinessnews.com.au/blog/the-harmful-effects-of-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-projected-future-implications/
https://ai.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Findings_The-Potential-Future-Risks-of-AI.pdf [pdf]
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/04/250423112143.htm
https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/assessing-potential-future-artificial-intelligence-risks-benefits-and-policy-imperatives_3f4e3dfb-en.html
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2419055122

too late

yeah we do disagree

[silver plank]

No need to. I only block annoying people

[carmine monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-nukem-duke-nukem-forever-duke-nukem-meme-duke-nukem-not-reading-too-long-dont-read-gif-17171040675104568396

[toxic relic]

i would hope you do some research

[icy vigil]

none of those are patents

[swift crag]

Aren't most of the people who laid the ground work refusing to participate in machine learning anymore?