general_chat

[onyx igloo]

Use taste to decipher

Ok go find one

[arctic totem]

that too

[next trout]

you can't afford me

[onyx igloo]

im unavailable

[silent copper]

3 dollars and a rubber duck

[next trout]

HAH

[onyx igloo]

until I feel like I want to do things

[next trout]

hold on... math...

[primal river]

Does grass regrow after being burnt

[silent copper]

No

[primal river]

Anyway to patch even with mods?

[silent copper]

I don’t know honestly

[next trout]

just earned 3 bucks
#general_chat message

[primal river]

Damn i really hope there is lol

[silent copper]

And a rubber duck

Can’t forget the rubber duck

[next trout]

9

you're gonna run outa ducks

[silent copper]

[next trout]

not that I'm earning that right now, but... investing in passive income rn

[fervent sedge]

need teammate

[next trout]

you whipper snappers need to learn what good music even is...
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=09839DpTctU

[narrow bear]

JFC OFC YOU LIKE EAGLES

NOT HATING BTW SOLID PICK

[next trout]

oh, that ain't shit... you want your mind blown?

[narrow bear]

i feel like classical music is gonna pop up but sure

[next trout]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=mZZp76M4NGc

[narrow bear]

very nice spec

but this is more of my speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o4s1KVJaVA

[next trout]

or this... https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=uWc4wMyL1oI

If you wanna skip to the chub, go to 3:25 - this was, like, a month or two before he died

[next trout]

oh, I'm just on a classic rock kick tonite. I'm an 80s kid grown up on grunge and latchkey angst

[narrow bear]

Very uplifting song is vienna by billy joel

ugh that song got me out of a dark place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccRif2DaGs

[narrow bear]

im just saying, magical mystery tour is still one of the best beatles song

and fool on a hill

[next trout]

I'm of a mixed mind on the beatles

[narrow bear]

it do be a mixed bag

but some songs just HIT

[lilac zinc]

Message in a bottle - The Police

good band

[next trout]

same with nirvana, for example. They're in the same circle of, like... temporal phenomenon more than actual

[narrow bear]

Man i remember when phil collins made the soundtrack for tarzan

man didnt have to go that hard

[lilac zinc]

i wanna know! i wanna know if theres strangers like me

that one

[next trout]

Like, Elvis was revolutionary. By the time the Beatles came to the US, there were bands all across America doing the same thing, they just weren't exotic enough to make it a craze

[narrow bear]

she gets it.

[lilac zinc]

i love this music

[narrow bear]

more like they were pioneers

of concepts in rock

[next trout]

closest you got was, like, the beach boys because california surfer life is o foreign to all of america

[lilac zinc]

i think it brings people closer it really resonates with the soul imo

[next trout]

again, not really. Maybe later in their careers, but by the time Sgt Pepper's came out, there equally complex records out. I dunno... I don't doubt their talent, I just think their success over that of so many others was just incidental or - I suspect - engineered. They needed a foreign 'rebellious' element to make it 'cool with the kids, daddio'

cuz their first few offerings were nothing spectacular. They were just 'the sound' - and it hit at the right time

[narrow bear]

yeah im def biased. dad and moms favorite band

literally grew up listening to em

[next trout]

oh, I love so much of their music. grew up on it.

but objectively speaking...

[narrow bear]

yeah i agree

i forgot the title of that one song

ringo shouted at the end I GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS

attempt at metal i think

[next trout]

this here is mine and my boy's jam - well, this song is mine. He thinks he gets it, but he doesn't
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=m0zwbe6Cz3U&si=BvF63HuzM8jREN93

[narrow bear]

Btw spectrum question yall tried installing constown with raven creek and fort redstone

[next trout]

not on B42, no. Are they updated?

[narrow bear]

I disable raven and red first then install constown right?

[narrow bear]

Ah doing b41 for rn

[next trout]

not familiar with constown

oh... okay... adjusted... what's the question?

[narrow bear]

Its a lil town by raven creek

Yk the gas station when entering raven

[next trout]

okay. not familiar but not a problem.

yeah

usually some good KI5 cars in there

[narrow bear]

So the modder has instructions to how to install it but making aure i get it right

Cause theres 3 files

1. Vanilla constown
2. Constown with raven creek
3. With raven creek and redstone

So common sense is to use 3 right

[next trout]

we saw 21 Pilots live in Nashville - my son's first concert. I saw him crying singing this one. One of my favorite memories
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=D9pOuGOaumI&si=W7cBd5k-zgmXvxRO

[narrow bear]

God im terrible at explaining stuff

[chrome jetty]

maybe try in #mod_support

[next trout]

so, without knowing what the roads and overlaps look like... know what? link?

I'll try to read and make sense of it

sheez... steam died sometime in the last hour... weird

[narrow bear]

Btw i cant send images herw

That normal?

[strange spruce]

You a plungie

Plungies can't send images

[narrow bear]

How do i check my rank

[next trout]

okay, so: constown needs to go first

it doesn't appear that it matters the order of the other two - they don't conflict with each other, afterall.

[strange spruce]

I forgor

[next trout]

but constown needs to go first in the mods list and the maps list

[narrow bear]

Ayt

Apparently its a recommended stopover before i hit raven

[strange spruce]

!rank

[prime thorn]

Use the /rank command to check your rank.
For the top 100, you can use /leaderboard or go here:
https://lurkr.gg/levels/projectzomboid

[strange spruce]

Damn

[next trout]

you should try blackwood

[narrow bear]

Conflicts with a mod sadly

Still experimenting with which ones

Ill dm the current look

[next trout]

there's a few other map mods in that area, but not common ones.

[hardy mural]

This user does not have xp.

[next trout]

and now, of couse, lots of things will need moving

[strange spruce]

Whar

[chrome jetty]

lmao

[strange spruce]

Weird

[narrow bear]

Making a big map

[strange spruce]

Lol

[strange spruce]

Damn

[chrome jetty]

is frogski still num1?

[next trout]

I wish I had the patience to make a map. But I would have to learn so much about just the setup and software to make them... the tools don't seem to like running well in Linux

[chrome jetty]

jesus christ he has double the messages sent

[next trout]

or I'm missing a jarfile and am not seeing the log

[strange spruce]

Think ill be spending my day killing vorkaths dumbass again

[narrow bear]

Yeah couldnt be bothered my guy

I do however prefer this

Making a frankensteins monster of a map

[next trout]

there's a few map concepts I'd LOVE to make. And a mode that allows you to make tonnels and set them up at manholes and the like...

but you have to design the maps. there's no autogeneration

[strange spruce]

Just gotta hope jagexs servers dont randomly decide to shoot themselves in the balls to get me killed while fighting this mf

[narrow bear]

Any QoL mod recommwndations btw

For b41

[dawn spade]

Who u fighting

[strange spruce]

Vorkath

[dawn spade]

Ew

[strange spruce]

Its for a slayer task

[dawn spade]

I just do greenies for slaye4

[strange spruce]

I got blue dragons so i just said fuck it might aswell

[dawn spade]

Fair

My char could probably just barely kill vorkath with a skilled driver

But i aint the guy to do it

[strange spruce]

Eh melee vork really isnt too hard

[dawn spade]

80 70 70

Aby whip

[strange spruce]

Maybe like base 80s

And dh lance

[dawn spade]

Drag defender

[strange spruce]

Ur a ironman?

[dawn spade]

Na

[strange spruce]

Or reg account

Ah

[dawn spade]

Just reg

I also deleted the account

[strange spruce]

Oh damn

[dawn spade]

I didnt wanna invest any more time into so i just spent all my money running chalenge guy a bit too early

Never got the 70 ranged for the blowpiye

The thing that gives u fire cape

[strange spruce]

Blowpipe is goated

[dawn spade]

I always wanted that to be where i "finish the game"

But i couldnt commit any more time to it

[strange spruce]

Ngl for me that would be when i get infernal cape or smth

[dawn spade]

Blew my money, didnt get the cape deleted the accoun

Ye, that makes sense

But im a filthy casual so i set the bar low

[strange spruce]

But MAN that shit looks tough

[karmic jetty]

who up blowin pipe

[strange spruce]

I am gonna have alot of practice with bossing by then so i shud be fine

[dawn spade]

Just try it now

[strange spruce]

By the time i get da gear for it

[dawn spade]

Maybe ur simply the goat

Go in blind

[strange spruce]

Ngl doe,i also wanna try these new bosses they added aswell,leviathan looks cool

Locked behind desert treasure 2

[dawn spade]

Oh yeh dt2s out

I think it was in beta when i quit

[cosmic jay]

Hi chattington

[cosmic jay]

Still a fuckin plungee

Bullshit I say

Once I’m not plungee I get to share awesome game clips

Like of many games

Because I have not many to share with

Not a very likeable person I suppose

But I am damn good at bideo games

[misty night]

waddup

[misty night]

im the complete opposite

[cosmic jay]

It takes many many many hours to be good

I started gaming when I was 1

Prolly younger even

[misty night]

the only game im slightly better than average is chess but that's just because most people who've played chess don't really get into it

if they did i would be unimpressive in that game as well

[cosmic jay]

Have you heard of warhammer

[misty night]

i have yeah

[cosmic jay]

It’s like chess with dice

And mechs

[misty night]

at that age you were just pressing buttons

[cosmic jay]

It’s fucking awesome

[misty night]

how is it like chess

[cosmic jay]

My parents tell me I was really good, way better than I should’ve been at that age

[misty night]

i've seen you can buy soldiers and paint them which is pretty cool

[cosmic jay]

It’s the same concept in terms of like two armies goin at it

[misty night]

at that age i was probably crying and throwing tantrums

[cosmic jay]

In a board game fashion

You move pieces in turns like chess

But there’s dice

[misty night]

ah i see

that's pretty cool

[cosmic jay]

Dice calculate hits and misses and what not cos they use ranged weapons and stuff

[misty night]

the only games that i've seen are similar to chess are poker, checkers, and chess variants. also this one game called go

[cosmic jay]

Poker is pretty chad

[misty night]

yeah i need to learn how to play it

but it does look pretty cool

[cosmic jay]

Is pretty easy. Just memory and knowing your hands

Knowing when to fold, or when you have a hand to go in on

[misty night]

i just haven't gotten around to remembering the rules and knowing the hands and which are the best and the worst and whatnot

[cosmic jay]

Balatro is a video game that helped me learn a lot of poker hands actually

[misty night]

that's cool. what's that game about

[cosmic jay]

Poker

But with jokers

[misty night]

oh is it online poker?

[cosmic jay]

Joker poker

And there’s like hundreds of different jokers that do different things

And also different sets of cards as well

[misty night]

what is so special about these jokers>

?

[cosmic jay]

They multiply your score based on very specific scenarios

And you get them randomly

[misty night]

ohhh

so they are like wild cards

[cosmic jay]

Sorta

They change how the entire game plays

[misty night]

fits with the character on them if they are

[cosmic jay]

And also can increase tenfold how many chips you’re making

[misty night]

that's pretty cool

[cosmic jay]

Like you could set up a specific joker line up to play a 3 card hand that gives you like a billion chips

[misty night]

you like mtg

i have a friend who does and i played very little

[cosmic jay]

Nah, I was more into yugioh

[misty night]

ive found that people who like warhammer and poker are also into magic

[cosmic jay]

Felt more advanced to me at the time

In reality it was just creating meta decks with cards that are sought after

Got boring to me. Then I got into warhammer

[misty night]

i feel like chess is pretty advanced

it scratches that itch for me anyway

[cosmic jay]

If you fully understand it, I agree

[misty night]

well you never fully understand it

you just increase your comprehension of it

you can't "fully understand" chess

its not solved yet

[cosmic jay]

My comprehension is only the basic moves

[neat moat]

hello plunders

[cosmic jay]

Also some people know how to solve every opening

[misty night]

hi

[neat moat]

Whats the topic of today?

[misty night]

i doubt that's the case

[cosmic jay]

And every move after the opening

[cosmic jay]

Chess masters

[misty night]

no

[cosmic jay]

Yes

[misty night]

i really doubt that

we don't have computing power to solve chess

in the modern era

[neat moat]

Oh does basil think we figured out if chess is a solved game?

[misty night]

do you mean that chess masters just know how to deal with openings very well? that's true but that's not the same as solving the opening

[cosmic jay]

There is no solving chess

[misty night]

yes there is

it's just not possible yet

[cosmic jay]

What happens when you “solve” chess

[neat moat]

Do you think it is a solved game w?

[misty night]

it is not a solved game for a fact. it is a solvable game

[neat moat]

Either is guarantees one player wins or it is a draw

like tik tac to and connect 4 are solved games

[cosmic jay]

Ai has solved chess then

[misty night]

chess played to perfection is a draw everytime

[neat moat]

Ai hasn't solved chess yet no

[misty night]

that's pretty much the general consensus everytime

[cosmic jay]

How

[misty night]

no that's not what solving means

you don't understand what solving games means

[cosmic jay]

It can travel dimensions now, apparently. How can it not solve chess

[neat moat]

If chess was a solved game then there would be only one correct set of moves. Ai has many many openings still. It is not guaranteed who will win or lose

A solved game is when it is a guarantee

[cosmic jay]

Ai is guaranteed to beat chess masters

[neat moat]

N9

no

[cosmic jay]

Perfect chess ai ye

[dawn spade]

Shit take

[neat moat]

You misunderstand what a solved game is

[cosmic jay]

Mushrooms

[misty night]

yes

to determine the outcome of the game from any position, assuming both players play perfectly

that is what a solved game is

[cosmic jay]

I don’t play chess

[dawn spade]

Which isnt done

[cosmic jay]

I also don’t solve games

[dawn spade]

Chess is not solvee

[cosmic jay]

So idk

[neat moat]

A solved game is when any player wins a game in an exact set of moves. Ai or not. Ai playing other Ai still hasn't found the perfect set of moves

[misty night]

it's not a take he's just misinformed

[neat moat]

Neither do I. I prefer poker

[cosmic jay]

There’s some people who know exact counters to openings tho

[misty night]

to determine the outcome of the game from any position, assuming both players play perfectly

it does not have to mean winning

[dawn spade]

Yes

[cosmic jay]

I literally see it all the time and see it talked about all the time

They have names

[misty night]

it can be drawing or losing. the point is that the outcome is known

[neat moat]

Indeed

[dawn spade]

But u dont have to say, im playing x opening

[neat moat]

I made this point preciously. We agree

[dawn spade]

And then play it exactly that way

[cosmic jay]

There’s only so many spots the pieces can move

[dawn spade]

U play a opening, if they fall for none of the traps, or counter ur main intention then u make some ne shit up

Opening finished, mid game begins

[misty night]

a counter to an opening isn't necessarily a refutation to that opening, and a refutation to that opening doesn't mean that the position is solved, just that the position is generally known to be favorable to one side such that the line is not worth playing anymore, hence its refutation

[neat moat]

Basil if you are interested, watch ai play one another. You will see that there are many openings and no clear counters

[cosmic jay]

Don’t they cheat tho?

[dawn spade]

No

[neat moat]

How is it possible to cheat in chess?

[cosmic jay]

Like they do moves that aren’t even possible. And also bc they’re ai

[neat moat]

No?

[misty night]

that's not true

[dawn spade]

Bro

[neat moat]

Watch stock fish for example

[cosmic jay]

I’ve Seent it

[misty night]

what are you talking about basil

i think you are very confused when it comes to chess

[dawn spade]

We're talking about world class best of the best chess computers

[neat moat]

You have seen chat gbt play. Not a real chess bot

[cosmic jay]

I’ve seen a game where two ai play chess and they literally just summon pieces and do shit at random

[neat moat]

Chat gbt doesn't know how to play so makes illigal moves

[dawn spade]

U watchrd some garbage make some shit up and based ur opinion on that

[cosmic jay]

Like not playing chess correctly

[dawn spade]

Yeh chat gpt sucks at it

[misty night]

maybe they're not chess engines lol that's why

[cosmic jay]

Could be

[misty night]

there's a difference between some random ai and a chess engine

[dawn spade]

Listen, basil

[cosmic jay]

True

[misty night]

a chess engine is specifically made to evaluate and calculate chess positions

chess engines can't play illegal moves

[dawn spade]

You have a strong opinion but actually have no idea what your talking about

[misty night]

they are made specifically to avoid that

[cosmic jay]

I have no opinion, and I don’t know what I’m talking about, correct

Again, I don’t play chess

I’m just saying what I’ve seen

And what I’ve heard

[neat moat]

I would say pfp fist

[cosmic jay]

Asking

[neat moat]

but that would be rude

[misty night]

well you did say many things as if they were the case which, if not an opinion must be interpreted as a proposition about what is the case and what is not the case

[dawn spade]

Well ur presenting memes as solid evidence to why chess is broken

[neat moat]

Me when I lie

[cosmic jay]

The things I’m saying are the case are the case tho. I may not have worded it in a way you have understood the first time, but you did understand after what I was talking about.

[misty night]

well , chess isn't solved, there are no masters that know how to solve every opening because chess isn't solved, etc

[cosmic jay]

I’m not saying they solved chess

[misty night]

maybe not anymore

but you did before

[neat moat]

I can

[misty night]

its alright to be mistaken

[cosmic jay]

I’m saying people who are into chess have perfect counters to openings and moves

[misty night]

no

[neat moat]

No they do not

[misty night]

im into chess and i don't have perfect counters to anything

[grand quiver]

whyt the fuck did they flip spiffo back wtf

[cosmic jay]

Like hardcore into chess, like chess masters

[neat moat]

Exactly. Say they play their pawn, and then I flip the bord. What would their counter to that be? They did not anticipate this

[cosmic jay]

The people who went to chess school

[misty night]

do you mean that in some positions the best move is known? yes that is true. but this is far from meaning that chess is solved

[cosmic jay]

It’s a solve for the situation

English language is taken too literally these days

[misty night]

no you're just using technical language

technical language is meant to be precise

that's why i'm responding precisely

[cosmic jay]

Well im not very precise in my thinking

Or how I word things

[misty night]

that's fair

well then maybe by solving a position what you really mean is that in a specific position there can be a specific best move which can be found?

that we can agree to

[cosmic jay]

A lot of the time I’ll not know the word I need and use a filler that might not work for the situation, or just be the exact opposite of what I mean, and sometimes it is really frustrating.

[cosmic jay]

And also yes. That’s what I’ve been trying to say basically

[misty night]

even before engines people were able to find the best moves in certain positions without a problem, so if you were to say that you certainly wouldn't be wrong

[neat moat]

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to define terms first to avoid miscommunication

[misty night]

the terms have definitions already

just use the terms appropriately or explain that you might be misusing the word and that's all, not really a big deal

[neat moat]

Basil didn't know them obviously

So the terms are meaningless unless communicated

[cosmic jay]

They look at the board, see if there are moves applicable that would be the most devastating in their eyes, and they take it.

[misty night]

that's why i told him that I think he was misunderstanding what is meant by solving a position or a game

[cosmic jay]

That’s why I asked what happens when you solve chess

[misty night]

to determine the outcome of the game from any position, assuming both players play perfectly

that's what happens

[cosmic jay]

Like do you get a key to the ancient pyramids or something?

[karmic jetty]

mmm pineapple

[cosmic jay]

The chess board opens up

Boom

[neat moat]

There is no keyhole

[misty night]

you just know the outcome to any position with perfect play. that's it

[neat moat]

Hello zee

[cosmic jay]

Key to the pyramid

[neat moat]

Yes

there is no keyhole for the pyramids

[cosmic jay]

The pharaohs tombs

[karmic jetty]

which pharaoh

[cosmic jay]

Where they keep all the ancient technology

[neat moat]

They do not have a keyhole form what I understand

I am not following

[cosmic jay]

Where they keep all the aliens

[misty night]

but anyway for casual players the solvability of chess is really kind of irrelevant, since the game is so immensely deep that even if the game was solved you wouldn't be able to memorize the solution

so you would just rely on your own thinking

[neat moat]

very relevant statement

[onyx igloo]

My leg is cramping

[misty night]

as to what is the best move

[onyx igloo]

Shit.

[misty night]

and this would lead to unique games

every time

it's not like tictactoe

where you can always either draw or win and it's really quite boring past the age of 5

[cosmic jay]

Yes, chess can have hundreds of thousands of different outcomes

[karmic jetty]

they busy playin chess while ill be playin my peanits

[cosmic jay]

But there’s still a limit

[misty night]

yes no one disagrees with that

[strange spruce]

YOUR WHAT

[neat moat]

Want to play poker zee? Chess bores me

[cosmic jay]

I wonder if anyone’s calculated it

[karmic jetty]

i played poker last night

[misty night]

the outcomes are actually much more than what you say though which renders that limit too far for practical play to be concerned with it

[neat moat]

Sad

Did you lose the house?

[misty night]

you can google it, it is calculable

[karmic jetty]

i busted like 3 times

[strange spruce]

Guh

[neat moat]

Please don't word it like that zee

[karmic jetty]

is true

first round i hopped on didnt last 3 mins

[strange spruce]

[karmic jetty]

auto busted

went all in

[neat moat]

noooooo

[strange spruce]

Am dying

Nah

[cosmic jay]

The number is too big

[neon bramble]

if you all in enough you'll win your money back

[dawn spade]

In any given position a best perceived best move can be found

[misty night]

it's pretty big yeah. chess can't be solved yet

it has been solved with like 7 pieces or less on the board though

[cosmic jay]

Unless you’re only playing chess all the time and it’s the only thing you do from age 6 to 90, I think chess might be a roguelike

[neat moat]

90% of gamblers quit one hand before winning big

[dawn spade]

But, due to the nature of the game. After a few more moves the amount of moves possible is so incredibly vast that a computer seizes to have been able to interprate it

[cosmic jay]

Was chess the first roguelike?

[misty night]

doubt it

[dawn spade]

Theoretically i suspect chess is solvavl3

Solvable

[neat moat]

It wasn't

[misty night]

even if chess is a roguelike chess is not the first game of its kind

[onyx igloo]

90% of
Los
Win bi

[neat moat]

It was a computer game

[dawn spade]

But nothing we've built has come close to solving it

[misty night]

no it is a fact that the game is solvable we just need more computing power to do it which we don't have

[cosmic jay]

Let’s put chess in the quantum computer

[neat moat]

Beneath Apple Manor 1978

looks about right

[dawn spade]

Fair, well i guessed right then

Go me

[misty night]

yeah!

goodj ob

job*

[neat moat]

Source? First I've heard this

[misty night]

it has been solved with up to 7 pieces on the board

[karmic jetty]

i dont get whats goin on

[onyx igloo]

Let's tell the quantum computer to make Swiss cheese from dirt particles

[misty night]

google it, first thing you see in wikipedia. the solvability of chess is not really a controversial topic lol

[karmic jetty]

chat should i be eatin pineapple on an empty stomach

i feel like im being digested

[onyx igloo]

Internal pineappling

[misty night]

also this

[neat moat]

"No complete solution for chess in either of the two senses is known, nor is it expected that chess will be solved in the near future (if ever)"

It appears it is more controversial than you think

[narrow bear]

Eh its okay

[cosmic jay]

You know what is a controversial topic?

[narrow bear]

Not the worst thing

[cosmic jay]

Warhammer being like chess

[misty night]

no you are misunderstanding. this statement says that no solution is as of yet present and that it is not expected soon, not that it is not solvable period

[neat moat]

If ever is hard to misinterpret

[misty night]

we could in theory have a game that is solvable but would take 200 years to solve and be coherent with that statement

[misty night]

if ever means if we will solve chess, not if we are able to solve chess

[karmic jetty]

game but no game

[cosmic jay]

YKnow what. To settle this, we should just travel back in time, and have the creator of chess battle against the creator of chess in a chess battle

Then we will know

[misty night]

"The game tree for chess is finite, meaning it is possible to determine an optimal strategy that guarantees a win for one side or a draw, but the computational resources required to solve the entire game are beyond current technological capabilities."

[misty night]

its a problem that has to do with our technology

the same way that , given an infinite amount of resources and time and whatnot, we could definitely reach mars, just that we can't right now because we are technologically limitedd

[onyx igloo]

aw man they talking smart
i wanna talk idiot

[misty night]

there is no settling this

from the fact that the game tree for chess is finite it follows that the game may be solved

it's just a very deep game

that's all lol. it's just tictactoe with a trillion extra outcomes

[cosmic jay]

No

[karmic jetty]

tldr

pineapple is pog

[cosmic jay]

And mango

[narrow bear]

Agreed

[karmic jetty]

and en passant is the one solution

[cosmic jay]

Both

At the same time

[narrow bear]

Best pizza topping

Frdr

[onyx igloo]

I like mango

[dire timber]

pizza :3?

[misty night]

en passant is a beautiful move\

[cosmic jay]

No

[onyx igloo]

No

[neat moat]

I haven't read anything so far that says chess is a solvable game. Only a large "we do not know". It even says in the opening part of the quote "it is possible to determine an optimal stradegy"

[narrow bear]

Yes

[onyx igloo]

Italian gene say No

[cosmic jay]

Absolutely not

[onyx igloo]

Unacceptable

[neat moat]

I will look into it more later though

[cosmic jay]

Get the fuck away from me man

[narrow bear]

Do you lack a spine brothers.

[onyx igloo]

The polish have chocolate spaghetti

[cosmic jay]

Brother, you are the one committing heresy

[misty night]

yes, which is coherent with what i have said. it is possible to determine an optimal strategy

congrats! we agree

[neat moat]

No we do not

It says it may be possible to find one, assuming one exists

[narrow bear]

It is but the nature of man to make exploration into uncharted lands

[karmic jetty]

chat is jellyfish

[misty night]

oh my god

the game tree is limited

[narrow bear]

Ok lemme say my piece

So pineapple is good if its a meatless pizza

[karmic jetty]

hawaiian piza

[narrow bear]

Oike if its a salty pizza lots of cheese pineapples pog

[strange spruce]

Ok time to get up and go kill that zombie dragon another hundred times

[misty night]

it is just incredibly vast

[narrow bear]

But with meat no.

[karmic jetty]

my mother loves pineapple on piza

[onyx igloo]

If pineapple is gonna be on pizza it should be thinly sliced to caramelize(?)
on the pizza

[karmic jetty]

so i grew up liking it

[misty night]

jesus. what is the difference between chess with all the pieces and chess with 7 or less pieces(which is solvable) but more outcomes????????? the game tree remains finite, just increased in magnitude. my guy, the logic is not hard

[cosmic jay]

You like cheese with your pineapple? 😭

[onyx igloo]

Not thick chunks

[narrow bear]

Yes

[cosmic jay]

Is it like ratatouille, with the colors and the lights and shit?

😭

[misty night]

chess with 7 or less pieces has been solved. this is a fact, there is awebsite with the solution to every position with 7 or less pieces, you can google this

[karmic jetty]

lmaoo

[narrow bear]

I LIKE HOW YELLOW IT IS

[karmic jetty]

that ratatootie bit is always in my mind when i combine fud

[narrow bear]

ALSO DONT HATE IT TILL YOU TRY IT.

[cosmic jay]

So true

[narrow bear]

If california maki ecists then this should too

[onyx igloo]

one time we ran out of mozzarella and my DAD SUBSTITUTED MOZZ FOR CHEDDAR

[cosmic jay]

I have tried it, my hate is coming straight from the heart 💀

[karmic jetty]

i tried grape with cheese liek in the movie

[onyx igloo]

THAT IS A CRIME OF WAR

[karmic jetty]

IT REALLY DOES TASTE DIFF

[lunar oar]

So is there a glitch in the unstable version that randomly spawns about 100 animals?

[narrow bear]

WHAT KIND OF PIZZA DID YOU ORDER

[cosmic jay]

#pz_b42_chat

[onyx igloo]

I like white cheddar n grapes

[cosmic jay]

Chicken garlic

So fuckin good

[misty night]

"hess has been solved for all positions with 7 or fewer pieces on the board, including the two kings. This means that for these endgame scenarios, perfect play from both sides can be determined, leading to a known outcome. The database containing these solutions is extensive, requiring around 17 terabytes of storage. However, solving chess for all possible positions with all 32 pieces remains a significant challenge due to the vast number of possible games, estimated at 10
120"

[unreal bane]

It's an oversight, and running gag. Some roaming animals' breeding rates don't have a soft cap, so given enough time they'll overrun entire towns.

[cosmic jay]

Unironically best pizza ever

[narrow bear]

WRLL DUH THATS SOLID ON ITS OWN

[misty night]

your misplaced skepticism is breaking my head

[neat moat]

We both red the wiki, it is fruitless throwing the same quotes at eachother

[narrow bear]

Im talking about plain cheese pizza

Maybe 4 cheese

[cosmic jay]

I can’t do cheese

[misty night]

but why don't you still understand????

[narrow bear]

6 if you wanna be wild

[cosmic jay]

I do peperoni

[lunar oar]

Well I went to sleep with 0 chickens and after about 4 hours there are a literal gamebreaking amount

[misty night]

this is not hard to understand but this is concerning me at this point. this is concerning

are you okay?

[narrow bear]

Yeh plain cheese sucks thats why i add the pineapple

[neat moat]

I can ask you the same? I think we shoud take a break. Neither of us are going to change our minds at the momment

[misty night]

but this is not a matter of opinion ghoti

[cosmic jay]

Just add pepperoni like a normal person 😭

[misty night]

this is afact

oh my god

[cosmic jay]

God damnit

[narrow bear]

NEVER.

Im kidding pepperoni isnking

[cosmic jay]

Why must pineapple pizza continue to exist

[narrow bear]

Tell that to the california maki

[cosmic jay]

Dude

[misty night]

whatever for all i know reality is an illusion or whatever so we might as well never agree on anything regardless of the logic

[cosmic jay]

Cali is on fire

[narrow bear]

That abomination. Is not. A SUSHI ROLL

[unreal bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986948930740813864/1324841550584479825/fdsfsddfs.mp4

[cosmic jay]

I can’t tell them that

[cosmic jay]

Is this real?

[narrow bear]

Ffs basil

[unreal bane]

See for yourself.

[cosmic jay]

That’s hilarious lmfao

[onyx igloo]

I broke my windshield hitting 3 rabbits

[unreal bane]

It's hilarious and physically painful to watch.

[onyx igloo]

[narrow bear]

if you set em on fire do you cook em

[unreal bane]

They just burn down to cinders.

[narrow bear]

well rip

how did you spawn that many??

or did you breed em

[unreal bane]

Not me. Ask this dingus @quasi slate

[narrow bear]

something something multiply like rabbits something

[misty night]

does anyone know when multiplayer for b42 will come out

[cosmic jay]

Honestly, I never would’ve tried zomboid if it weren’t for the wasd and stick character movement. For a long time I thought zomboid was like RuneScape, a point and click game lol

[unreal bane]

Too early to ask, but not anytime soon.

[misty night]

looked pretty complex for me tbh but playing it with a friend got me hooked

[unreal bane]

Unstable build just came out last month. Can't implement MP if the base build isn't even stable.

[misty night]

makes sense

[misty night]

i mean like, what could the time frame be? years?

[narrow bear]

months

probably

[misty night]

oh well thats not so bad

[narrow bear]

worst case a year but doubtful

[cosmic jay]

Prolly like 3-4 months like the last wait from unstable 41 to b41

[unreal bane]

Definitely not years, as it's purely just netcode. Possibly several months or less if there are no more severe issues.

[misty night]

man i suck ass at zomboid

i've never made it past a month

i also play it too safe and i dont even want to leave my base

[cosmic jay]

I was there when I started too, but with more time you’ll learn to overcome what would challenge you you previously

[misty night]

yeah i should just push through

i just get bored and i do something which i know is risky

but i also don't know when to take risks either

i run away too much

and then the game gets boring

[cosmic jay]

Bc ur avoiding the action

[misty night]

yeah i shouldnt do that

[cosmic jay]

And you’re playing too safe

[fervent sedge]

Need teammate pm me

[cosmic jay]

Your first runs are supposed to be deaths

[misty night]

honestly this makes sense

[cosmic jay]

It’s purposeful that you die over and over

[neat moat]

#1019737819981283459

[narrow bear]

Do use mods?

[cosmic jay]

You learn from your runs

[cosmic jay]

I do yea

[misty night]

i feel like i havent been learning anything because i just stick to the same crap and never risk it

because im too scared to die

[narrow bear]

Yeah just keep your distance

And just pace yourself

[neat moat]

Go nomad

[cosmic jay]

Yep

[narrow bear]

Great way to practice is using multiplayer servers ngl

And practics there

[cosmic jay]

Also that doesn’t mean you’re invincible tho

[neat moat]

Nomad is a great way to try new things

[cosmic jay]

Bc sometimes when I tell people to play less safey, they take that as “oh imma rush and take on an entire horde”

Like no. Still pick zombies off

[misty night]

maybe i should

[cosmic jay]

But do so more often, and try to put yourself in less situations where you’ll get cornered, tired, or die to death

[neat moat]

especially after the update i hear

Fences still work great

[cosmic jay]

Especially

Because muscle fatigue is a bitch

[neat moat]

Assuming you do not disable it that is

I should really find the energy to play zomboid to see how I like the new stuff

[cosmic jay]

Disabling core intended features is for the weak. Not to pick on the weak, the weak deserve their fun too

But it is weak

[misty night]

i disable respawn and infection by blood

zombie respawn i mean

i played with zombies on high in b41 and in b42 so far im playing on normal

everything else is apocalypse

and i alwasy spawn on rosewood cause i know it lol

[neat moat]

Multi hit enabled or disabled?

[cosmic jay]

I always just play the preset survivor mode, unless I want to start with rainy / snowy weather

[graceful dust]

good minmo morning

[misty night]

multi hit disabled

[cosmic jay]

Whatever it is default

[neat moat]

I turn it on. My logic is If I swing an axe with considerable strength I shoudl be able to hit more than 1

[cosmic jay]

In real life?

[graceful dust]

judging difficulty based on a single game mechanic tho

[neat moat]

I dont like default setting always. Like I think zombies should turn on alarms on their own

and yes

Not a lot of sense for a pan, but it makes sense for an axe

[graceful dust]

i make everything thumpable lol

[neat moat]

give and take

[merry lake]

I am thinking of getting Project Zomboid but idk if its worth it to pay for it

[cosmic jay]

If you hit a zombie with an axe, it would probably get stuck in them

[neat moat]

what does that mean

[cosmic jay]

No, actually, what does this mean

[misty night]

what would make the game worth it for you?

[neat moat]

Maybe. But later on they will decay and be easy to kill

[graceful dust]

zombies normally only thump doors/windows when u give them a place to be

[neat moat]

And other weapons like crowbar exist

[misty night]

i think you should just use the settings that are most fun for you

[graceful dust]

theres a setting where they thump shit just cos its there

[cosmic jay]

You’re not gonna have an axe go straight through a living corpse and have enough swing to hit another 😭

[misty night]

if they are more or less realistic thats cool

[merry lake]

Either slightly less expensive or finding a part time job so that I don't have to feel like I'm wasting money on things I don't need

[graceful dust]

the zombie enrichment checkbox

[merry lake]

(Nobody wants to hire me)

[cosmic jay]

I’m not gonna judge you for playing with multi hit, but it’s just not realistic for that scenario imo

[graceful dust]

no but neither is zombies

[neat moat]

I've seen similar things done by humans. It's not out of the room of plausability

[merry lake]

Also I wonder if patches will be made for the new build

[cosmic jay]

That’s always a fair point too I guess

[misty night]

wait for it to be on sale maybe, and find a part time job anyway because why not. im assuming you're young and have plenty of time still so you might as well get a job on the side and make some money

[merry lake]

I heard a lot of complaints about it, mainly about muscle strain

[neat moat]

I think it is realistic, but we can disagree I suppose. You cannot simulate it perfectly

[graceful dust]

common arguments against multihit come down to the same things & its always someone who uses shotguns anyway

[merry lake]

Been looking for months, the issue is probably I don't have much work experience

[misty night]

b42 is unstable and being updated still. you can just play the previous build if you want. also the game can be modded a lot and you can pretty much customize it to have what you want

[merry lake]

Although I am having interview on February

[cosmic jay]

It’s not basing on your capability or even human capability. It’s how the axe is shaped, its usual sharpness, and also it’s weight

[merry lake]

So I hope I can land a job

The moment I do I'm buying Project Zomboid

[graceful dust]

like multihit is fine & balanced & cool but only when ur doing it in a way that the zombies cant touch u

[misty night]

just keep applying to anything really. if its your first job just apply to anything and bug them non stop

[graceful dust]

no multihit*

waitnjo

[cosmic jay]

Axes are meant to chop grain at a certain angle

[merry lake]

Would be 2nd job if I landed one

[graceful dust]

i cant read rn

[cosmic jay]

Corpses obviously are not grained

And will catch

Easy

[misty night]

great, then its like a first job except you have a little something on your resume. apply to anything anyway

[strange spruce]

@karmic jetty yeah err not gonna lie death grips sorta feels right for bossing on this shitty lil game (rs)

[karmic jetty]

real

[cosmic jay]

Cos axe isn’t meant to chop corpses

[graceful dust]

zomboid goes on sale for like $13 sometimes

[karmic jetty]

GET GET GET GET GOT GOT GOT GOT

[cosmic jay]

It’s meant to chop trees

[karmic jetty]

[strange spruce]

i was blasting ive seen footage for a few trips at vork

[graceful dust]

unless ur in a horror movie!!!

[merry lake]

When is it usually on sale with a discount?

[neat moat]

No Itake zero offense. But I feel that an axe, or any large object remember, is swung it is perfectly possible and reasonable to hit a few zeds along the way. Especially in a croud. I would find it reasonable to make this be affected by strength, weapon type, and zombie grouping

[strange spruce]

[karmic jetty]

HELL YEAH

[misty night]

i don't think multi hit is realistic but if you like playing with it that's totally fine

[karmic jetty]

GET UP

BEATS BOUT WAIST DEEP SWALLOWED BY BEATS

[misty night]

add it to your wishlist and itll email it to you bro

[karmic jetty]

I STAY NICHE

IVE SEEN FOOTAGE

[merry lake]

Thanks for advice

[misty night]

steam wishlist

[graceful dust]

again the way combat works isnt realistic to start with

[merry lake]

[misty night]

its def a good game and not too expensive imo. it never hurts to wait for a sale though

[neat moat]

And let me clarify, I am not saying chopping though heads. I'm more saying nicking other zombies

[graceful dust]

its too difficult to say u find playing without it fun & challenging & justifiable on that basis?

[cosmic jay]

Well yea, but all that force gets released into what you’re striking. The afterswing I guess would do a little bit of damage.. like it would hurt a bit, but I don’t think you’d be able to take down zombies like that 3-4 at a time

[graceful dust]

like idc whether its realistic why r zomboid players allergic to saying they enjoy things

[misty night]

you might be able to touch another zed but i think it would do negligible damage

[neat moat]

I think you can depending on, like I said, the variables. It can be toned down but I find it reasonable

[misty night]

yea h just pick what u enjoy tbh

[cosmic jay]

That’s fair

[misty night]

it's a game its meant to be fun

[cosmic jay]

Always stand by this

[misty night]

i feel like multi hit makes things too easy

so i take it off and then im more scared

which is great for me

[graceful dust]

i use multihit cos i play with weird sprinter configs

[misty night]

see i wouldnt play with sprinters. fuck that

[dawn spade]

Zomboid kinda prides itself on realism

[graceful dust]

dont end up utilizing it much tho

[cosmic jay]

Yes

[dawn spade]

I can forgive people wanting to keep that focus

[misty night]

also on the fact that you can customize things to be the way you like

[cosmic jay]

I enjoy the realism to a degree

[dawn spade]

That said tho, give me multi hit every time

[merry lake]

Meanwhile the game graphics wise looks like something from the 1990s due to the low poly

[misty night]

so its ok to go for a realistic experience and its also ok to go for a less realistic experienfe

[cosmic jay]

If it’s not impeding on direct gameplay, and it’s realistic, I am all for it

[neat moat]

zombies are very unrealistic though we must acknowledge

[merry lake]

Still very realistic in terms of mechanics

[graceful dust]

if it were realistic melee combat would be entirely non-viable. it deffo tries to be a sim in some respects but at some point ur just saying fun should take a backseat to realism

[dawn spade]

Im not

[cosmic jay]

It’s ok to enjoy the game exactly how you’d like ^^

[dawn spade]

I pick fun everytime realism sucks

[misty night]

yup

[cosmic jay]

I like a healthy mix

[graceful dust]

thats not what i said it was general y

[misty night]

realism is fun for some people

[graceful dust]

not u specifically

[misty night]

fun does not necessarily exclude realism

nor does realism fun

[dawn spade]

I want minimal realism

[merry lake]

I mean the muscle strain seems unrealistic as I don't think 6 swings with a weapon will make your muscles thay fatigue

[graceful dust]

sry i am getting annoyed w this convo this is not what i came to gen chat for

[dawn spade]

I can just touch grass irl for realism

[cosmic jay]

With a Sledge hammer yes

[graceful dust]

but thats not whati SAID

[misty night]

i think most agree that playing what is fun for you is the best approach

[misty night]

that

[merry lake]

But any other weapon?

[misty night]

oops. that's okay

[merry lake]

Also a sledge hammer to kill a zombie seems excessive if your not strong

Why not a axe or a spear (irl wise)

[dawn spade]

Sledges are used as weapons even in zomboid

[merry lake]

At least with a spear you get range

[misty night]

honestly in a real life zombie apocalypse i would get extremely depressed before anything else

[dawn spade]

We like them coz there good tools

[graceful dust]

i said theres A POINT where u cant get too realistic or it stops being fun not that zomboid goes past that point or that it should

[neat moat]

People can overestimate their abilities, especially if they do not exercise or swing heavy objects with their arms

[dawn spade]

As a weapon they suck

[misty night]

and wouldnt really want todo anything at all

[neat moat]

oh and hitting stuff too

[graceful dust]

i would die pretty quick fs

[misty night]

thats cool

[merry lake]

Depends on the type of zombie

[dawn spade]

Ye

[misty night]

i would die quickly too but it depends. if there's not too many zombies and they're slow and dumb maybe i can survive for a while

[merry lake]

If its the running type like 28 days later I'm so dead

[dawn spade]

Bro kill me first in an irl zombie situation

[misty night]

in an actual zombie apocalypse id probably off myself tbh

[merry lake]

Although knowing my luck I would be patient zero of a zombie virus

[graceful dust]

why would u ping me for that

[dawn spade]

I dont wanna see my friends and family and all of society die

[misty night]

yea obv running zombies would kill the fuck out of mel ol

but i mean like. low zombie pop, walking dead style zombies isn't too bad ya know

[merry lake]

Pretty sure only marathon runners and athletes can survive those types

[cosmic jay]

You have to consider their weight, and also the energy they are converting when they’re using said tool, can sometimes be double or triple that depending on certain circumstances. Like if the weight of a tool is considerably heavy, that tool is going to exert a lot of energy on the forearms and upper arms if swung around like a weapon. And even more so if the swing connects. Because then you’re transferring the energy, and that also takes some energy out of you as well

[graceful dust]

i rly run around hitting everything with a bat i could never irl

[misty night]

with extreme luck

[karmic jetty]

is this pz

[merry lake]

Because runner zombies seem to not take fatigue into account

[graceful dust]

😭

[merry lake]

They would just run and run and not care at all

[misty night]

28 days later zombies are ridiculous, the infection time as well its just ridiclous

[merry lake]

Probably until there legs just fall of or something

[cosmic jay]

The movie was good

[graceful dust]

itd fucking rule if sprinters had fatigue

[merry lake]

WWZ (the movie):

[misty night]

even if the zombies weren't hard to kill they are extremely infectious

[merry lake]

World War Z was worse though

They stack on each other to climb buildings

[misty night]

worse was the zombies from return ofthe living dead

fuckkk thattt

[merry lake]

Or it reach a helicopter

[misty night]

those zombies are actually the worst

[merry lake]

The ones with the smart zombies?

[misty night]

you cant even suicide to get out of it, bc the trioxin will reanimate u

[merry lake]

Oh that one

[misty night]

yeah return of the living dead

smart unkillable strong zombies

[cosmic jay]

What about Evil dead

[misty night]

that are capable of suffering and being conscious (so being infected is absolutely the worst thing )

[merry lake]

God forbid a Left 4 Dead apocalypse

[misty night]

the only way to effectively deal with them is to trap them or burn them to ashes but if you do that, the atmosphere gets covered in trioxin which just infects more things

[merry lake]

Gotta deal with mutated zombies that can claw your guts out, smash you to the ground or spit toxic acid at you

[misty night]

yeah but at least im not immediately coming back as an unkillable thing that is suffering forever and im just dead instead.

[dire timber]

Quick, put unbreakable doors with convenient hole everywhere :3

[merry lake]

You do realise left 4 dead zombies are still alive in a sense

[neon bramble]

I want whatever they put in l4d pills

[merry lake]

Since there basically infected

[misty night]

really?

[merry lake]

Yep

[misty night]

i didnt know that lol. so then tehyre not traditional zombies i suppose

in the sense that theyre not dead

like 28 days

[merry lake]

No, there "infected" not a zombie

[graceful dust]

acetaminophen

[dire timber]

They just very angery

[unreal bane]

Ibuprofen.

[misty night]

28 days is also just a bunch of people with rabies and ebola

[merry lake]

Same with left 4 dead

[graceful dust]

fight me

[misty night]

ohh shit i didnt know

[merry lake]

Pretty sure left 4 dead was inspired from 28 days later

[misty night]

thats pretty cool

i feel like conscious zombies are horrible especially if they are suffering

[graceful dust]

actually dont fight me i gotta get back to doing dishes

[dire timber]

cetirizine hydrochloride

[misty night]

because then being infected isnt jsut death its suffering

[merry lake]

Last of Us infected zombies are also conscious I think

Since the fungus doesn't kill the host but take control of the body like a puppet.

[misty night]

ahh i see

that sucks

[merry lake]

It's scarier that the fungus is based on an actual fungus that infects and zombifies ants

[misty night]

in return of the living dead people are just able to feel the pain of decaying and being dead and the only way to mitigate it is to eat living people

which is very zombie like and i like

[merry lake]

Fortunately they can't affect animals or humans since our immune system is too much for them.

[unreal bane]

It's Advil.

[misty night]

man i fkin love zombies

i wish there were more zombie moveis

movies

and good ones too

but unfortunately theres a lot of crap out there

[narrow bear]

yeah alas theres only so many ways to do a zombie movie

i still say a zombie movie set in the medieval era would be gas

[misty night]

bruhhh yeah

[narrow bear]

esp with religious undertones

like paladins dedicated to killing em

[misty night]

i suck at writing but give a good writer the zombie concept and theyll always cook up something interesting im sure

[narrow bear]

imagine a cav charge to zombies

heavy cav mind you

[misty night]

oh my god

thats amazing

i fucking love outbreaks in particular

[narrow bear]

its more personal too

since its all close quarters

[misty night]

when shit is going to shit and no one knows anything

its awesome

[narrow bear]

literally my build in zomboid is a riot shield and a tactical tomahawk

god thats fun

[misty night]

that's to cool

so*

[narrow bear]

my friends call me insane for charging into the frey with melee but pfft

skill issue.

i set the population to insane x4 so range is the best way to go

[misty night]

thats fuckin crazy

i wonder if an insane sprinters run will ever be odne

done

[narrow bear]

i do mixed

so the usual thing is me holding off the sprinters while my friends pick of the shamblers

thing is straight out of warhammer 40k

im still waiting for a one handed sword so i can get the full black templar experience

[misty night]

ah but you play with people

i dont have anyone to play with unfortunately

[narrow bear]

yeah just my dnd group

[misty night]

that would be amazing

[narrow bear]

axe does fine but a sword is great

i found a mod that turns the machete to a one handed weapon

so close enough

[misty night]

yeah but the sword always has the superior good factor

cool*

[narrow bear]

mind you btw

i have a gun

GUNS since my m4 has the grenade launcher attahment

i just prefer melee

[autumn oyster]

I got a switch

How ab that

[neon bramble]

I thought the underdark was supposed to be the shadiest place but its kinda pretty

[narrow bear]

not viable for long when i add the bandits mod XD

gonna surprise the bastards

[neon bramble]

the fae naturally are the shadiest people I've dealt with so far

[narrow bear]

IM COOKED TOO CONSIDERING IM THE ONLY ACTIVE ONE IN THE SERVER XD

[neon bramble]

surprisingly the game hasn't tried to murder me with mimics yet

touching every chest like a proper loot gremlin should\

[dawn spade]

Is that balders gate

Fuck thats a lot of skills

[neon bramble]

malding gate

[neon bramble]

average multiclass moment

[dawn spade]

Say nothing, im still innocently blind

[neon bramble]

sorc/pally

[dawn spade]

Im so keen to play

[narrow bear]

solid build bro

what subclass?

[neon bramble]

whats nice about bg3 is I dont have the usual cRPG problem of having to read online sources for my builds

since I already played the fuck out of 5e

and it translates pretty well

Storm Sorcery/Oath of Vengeance

[bronze prawn]

goated game

[narrow bear]

A FELLOW VENGEANCE ENJOYER I SEE

[neon bramble]

there is no crown oath

[narrow bear]

a bit of a 5e enjoyer myself

[neon bramble]

and the other two oaths are quite frankly cringe

[narrow bear]

hows the oathbreaker translated

[neon bramble]

I dont know cause I havent played oathbreaker yet

in 5e

usual pally stuff applies, it's a very frontloaded class since it only goes up to level 12

dont think I would willingly run pally monoclass in bg3

they also frontloaded some other classes as well while fixing the absolute travesty that is the ranger

ranger went from garbage to quite good from what I can see at a glance

[neon bramble]

I'm probably only going in depth with build stuff here

[neon bramble]

I just dont like their oath tenets

and given the plot so far I can see why it's just Vengeance, Devotion, Ancients and Oathbreaker

[narrow bear]

true too edgy imo

[neon bramble]

nah I mean the other non oathbreaker subclasses

[narrow bear]

gotta homebrew it as a guy not bound by oaths to do the right thing in our session

AH

[neon bramble]

oathbreaker itself is one of the more nuanced oaths I think

cause it strongly deviates from the classic paragon of good conception of paladins

there's also my favorite oath of the crown but I'm heavily biased there

[narrow bear]

im going oath of glory

in our current campaign

its a transition from the selfish chase of personal glory to being a symbol of good

MIND YOU I MULTICLASSED FROM AN ASSASSIN XD MY GUY IS NOT A GOOD PERSON BY ANY MEANS

thing i like about glory is how open ended it is cause glory can mean anything from fame or infamy

[neon bramble]

you have a very good excuse to run around making a name for yourself yea

neat thing about being a crown oath paladin is I can be the less subtle hand of the DM of we're doing politics

[narrow bear]

whatre the things again

wait i forgot the term

channel divinity

[neon bramble]

ye

[narrow bear]

nono i mean for the crown

[neon bramble]

I can aoe heal

its like a 1d6+ cha so mostly for mass res

[narrow bear]

it hurts conquest isnt here

god i love a conquest paladin

[neon bramble]

we already have vengeance for the killy paladins

[narrow bear]

add that with great weapon master and you basically kill most enemies

yeah but the +10 though

[neon bramble]

fits the game better anyway since its still in line w/ the other paladins

[narrow bear]

wait. did they do 5e paralysis rules

the insta crit??

[dawn spade]

Stahpp

[neon bramble]

I havent been paralyzed yet

[dawn spade]

Pick a less interesting topic

I dont wanna read this

[narrow bear]

rules in 5e states that on a successful roll you can crit per attack turn