pzwiki_editing

[digital helm]

It's changing with build 41.51

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, the loot distribution update thingy.

I also don't wanna do the M16 just yet since I'm pretty sure that it's still broken as fuck.

I haven't tested it but I'm pretty sure it can still hit several targets at once[not collateral shots]

[digital helm]

That doesn't sound right

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, don't think it even spawns in Knox Country aside from the hunter outdoor event.

So I'd say it's not worth doing right now in my opinion.

[digital helm]

Nah, not if there's other more completed weapons

I'll be looking at maintenance stuff. Most notably the new recipe stuff

As we said before, "only" 400 pages 😓

[languid kayak]

Yeah, hopefully the properties changes to match; there are so many things I wish could be disasembled or moved but aren't and there are some with weird properties/look such as this one (plastic chairs that give wood are another one). I wish sofas and couches gave leather as originally planned, but at least they will be salvabgeable as of 41.51 IIRC

[digital helm]

I actually remember seeing your bug report a few years ago with the white plastic chair giving wood planks.

I wasn't aware of that - about sofas/couches

[languid kayak]

Let me see about the sofas and couches, it was in one of the the patch log but never worked

Here's the original patch log: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26819-iwbums-4120-released/

Boosted overall thread spawn rate, can also get leather strips when disassembling leather stuff (couch etc.)

I think I saw in TileZed that the couches indeed had those properties with them, but probably due to a bug they weren't disassemblable at all which was then fixed in 41.49 https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/32299-iwbums-4149-released/

• Fixed many couches not being dismantle-able.

I though I read about something changing in 41.51 but for some reason the changelist is not available anymore :/ https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2021/07/jumps-n-scares/

[languid kayak]

@digital helm Will you still need me to make the list of the names? I didn't do it yet 😛 Guess it's best to compare the renamed to either iwbums files or even stable ones from steam, alternatively it is possible to retrieve old versions from GitHub

Here's also the bullet→round PR btw: https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/commit/366c7756098c8e32d95d239654dfd49a467a820c#diff-2620535e202cbacb2643cef2532f902fa57785afa8d56c4075300332cb447d57

Here's the oldest revision when the item file was introduced:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/fff8f2f5de7d19a05d0748785c3841073b8da56c/EN/ItemName_EN.txt

It's probably easiest to compare that to https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/master/EN/ItemName_EN.txt using e.g. meld https://meldmerge.org/

Moveables:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/fff8f2f5de7d19a05d0748785c3841073b8da56c/EN/Moveables_EN.txt
vs
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/master/EN/Moveables_EN.txt

Recipes have to be compared to a different version, not much changed though:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/1eecf5e14a9ea4ba9ba9be09ff9332536d2ec992/EN/Recipes_EN.txt
vs
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/master/EN/Recipes_EN.txt

keep in mind master link is not pernament, as that always point to the most recent one, so if something changes, it will update with newest version 🙂

[digital helm]

Nah, I'll just compare. Thanks

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I took liberty to update your page with the recent update to project leadership (adding Build 41 Update), but I noticed that you also have Navigation and Categories and in here leader is unassigned for that project; which one is correct? 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects

[digital helm]

I just changed it. I'm going to start working on navigation and categories

I must've missed it

Thank you

[digital helm]

I'm going to add this to my list. I don't even know if it was ever available... I've wanted to know for a long time.

[digital helm]

On the topic of Exercise/Fitness. I'm wondering if the "Exercise" page should be moved to "Fitness" and have "Exercise" redirect to it. Then exercise can be a section on the Fitness page.

Similarly, we have a Metalworking and Carpentry page and not a Construction page. "Construction" is a part of "Metalworking" and "Carpentry", the same way that "Exercise" is a part of "Fitness"

@languid kayak thoughts?

Just seems odd that we don't have a Fitness page. But then all that it would be filled with is what's already on the Exercise page.

[elder estuary]

Faalagorn has a PR on the translation repo for PZ to do Fitness->Exercise. Fitness is also the name of one of the two passive skills (the other being Strength) so maybe a disambiguation page? They're completely separate things that share the same name.

[digital helm]

That's where I'm confused. Does doing exercise increase your fitness skill?

Admittedly, I haven't played with exercise

[languid kayak]

Fitness→Exercise has been maually merged by @vital raptor and should be there in 41.51 🙂 @digital helm originally suggested here: https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/528 and https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/commit/161e9a871821c10ea07d0faaa4c94153c1304a98#diff-db71be55bd17fabd98228693dc4a1802f5eaf07bd7b27a407eaa770f7c90c959R462

[languid kayak]

Excercise increase Fitness and Strength, that's why it was changed, to avoid confuson 🙂

It was added as an alternative for pushing trees or running in spot which was patched

[digital helm]

Ah yes. So I fell for the trap

makes sense now

[elder estuary]

That being said, the passive skills probably could use some help in the future. Possibly their own page(s)?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skills#Passives

As if theres not already a lot to do

I'm a bit busy this next week or two, but I'll start making these changes after that. Hopefully pretty rapidly too!

[digital helm]

All good.
I'll take a look if I get the time. I'll start with figuring out if there's enough content for their own pages

[elder estuary]

"What does strength actually do" is something I've seen asked 2 or 3 times on reddit and then it's usually followed up with "the wiki doesnt seem to have the info". Which it does, I think, it's just not obvious where to find it.

Not to mention that it's a bit ugly on the current page (partially from my own edits from years ago IIRC)

[digital helm]

I recall seeing a post saying something very similar to that just today on steam

Skills and Health are 2 of those pages that I've wanted to dig into, but been too afraid to. They're 2 of the biggest and most useful/needed pages

I'll add it the list

[dry sable]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Valley_Station,_KY

The coordinates link on this page directs to Riverside instead of Valley Station on the pz map.

[digital helm]

Should be fixed now. Thank you

[languid kayak]

41.51 released; might be worth slowly updating the pages: #tweets message 🙂

[languid kayak]

blame @vital raptor, he first sent a link from canary so I switched too 🙂

to me

Anyway, it's a beta version of Discord.

But yeah, probably gotta remove that part if you don't use it 🤔

I use the browser one 🙂

[vital raptor]

Ha, yeah I don't remember what I wanted to try out that made me switch to canary but I stayed on it 😄

[digital helm]

Anyone opposed to merging "Seeding Broccoli" with "Broccoli" and adding a brief mention of its existence in the game files only (remnant of RJ's mod when being merged with base game).
Reason: This article appears to be generated based on speculation and the existence of Seeding Broccoli in the game files. Seeding Broccoli is non-obtainable and does not require its own page. There is no mention of Seeding Broccoli in any changelog and likely just a remnant from the mod created by RJ merged with PZ in 2012.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Seeding_Broccoli

Maybe leave as is (not blank page), but redirect to Broccoli with the brief mention?

[languid kayak]

There are a few of items that are still in the code but no longer used, though they can be spawned from the debug console (meaning multiplayer by admins as well), not sure if merging them won't be too confusing, but then again there's open and canned or left and right items so dunno 🤷

[digital helm]

Most 41.50 -> 41.51 item/tile changes should now be updated. Just missing weapon & clothing value changes.

Here's a list of the rest of changes that need to be done.

Ping me if I missed any pages that need to be moved/blanked

[languid kayak]

Not stricte wiki-related, but since wiki links to the FAQ it's inderectly related, @frail fossil you have a typo here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/5717866822629155956/

mew garbage collector
Should probably be "new" 🙂

[digital helm]

Looks good to me 👍

[languid kayak]

Indeed, my bad!

[languid kayak]

I was thinking about the Mew as well, but @digital helm went an extra mile actually pulling it further 😉

[digital helm]

Couldn't help myself

[tulip kiln]

Had to do a bit of an edit on the sandbox wiki page as well since smell has never been functional so I put a disclaimer there.

@amber prism This is a useful page for you btw. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_41_Update

It's detailing a lot of the b41 stuff that still need updating.

[amber prism]

@tulip kiln mind if I PM you some questions?

[tulip kiln]

You can but if it's cool if you wanna do it here too.

[digital helm]

No matter how small your question is, we'll help you

[amber prism]

I don't wanna clog chat. I've never done editing outside of like a story before lol

[tulip kiln]

It's no sweat.

I clogged the chat when I started editing.

This channel is here for that.

[amber prism]

So, I can just read through pages and see if there's anything wrong and try to edit it?

[tulip kiln]

It depends on how you wanna go about it.

[amber prism]

or do I test something in game and then edit the page?

[tulip kiln]

It depends on what you're fixing up.

A simple stat issue with a weapon or clothing? You can go into the games files and figure that.

Do you know how to find the weapon and clothing scripts?

[amber prism]

I wouldn't even know how to find a script

I'm very bad with tech

[tulip kiln]

K, you know how to open the PZ files at least yeah? Through file explorer?

[amber prism]

yeah

[tulip kiln]

K, open that.

[digital helm]

tbh, probably best to start by taking a look around the wiki

[tulip kiln]

Media folder > scripts folder> and you'll be able to find the stat documents.

Yeah probably that too.

Are you focusing on any page types?

[amber prism]

I was looking at clothing and/or weapons

[digital helm]

Pour your knowledge out, then when you don't know something, look into the files and try to find more stuff

[tulip kiln]

That link I sent ya has lists of all the b41 weapons and clothing pages, though most of them aren't done.

[amber prism]

I saw, I was gonna go through the scripts and see what I saw

[tulip kiln]

I dunno if many of them have too many issues here since a good chunk of em were done not too long ago.

A lot of them don't have ingame screenshots actually.

[amber prism]

oh derp I see how this works

Okay, I think I can help\

[tulip kiln]

I'ma keep working on some of these gun pages.

[amber prism]

I'll take the Hats pages, can I create a zero mod save and just cheat-spawn stuff in so I can screenshot them?

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, that's what I do. I go into debug, spawn the shit in and take screenshots.

It's the most efficient way of doing it.

[amber prism]

Can I create the special text, or does it have to be something from the lore?

I don't wanna break any rules or piss anyone off lol

[tulip kiln]

Special text?

[amber prism]

this kinda thing, can I make a fun lil' quote for the Tinfoil hat and such?

[digital helm]

the "rules" are loose. It's more important we get the information. Anyone can fix-up the styling, but not everyone knows everything

[tulip kiln]

I feel like the tinfoil hat thing seems fine?

Since it seems like a joke item.

[amber prism]

Yeah, I was hoping to make a fun joke line or something for it

[digital helm]

Think it's okay to start moving pages like this one, and update to build 41? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sawn_Off_Shotgun

Since build 41 changed all the firearm names

[amber prism]

okay I'm kinda stumped, I'm working on a hat. Do I need that image generator where it shows where on the body? It's a hat...kinda self explanatory?

awe man, I got a "bad request" now I gotta do it all over :/

@digital helm is there a way to use, or delete an image I uploaded already? I don't know how to get it off the wiki to my current page

[digital helm]

You can't. Can only be deleted by an admin

[amber prism]

crap

[digital helm]

You can upload a new version of the image, then ask me to delete the previous image

note that it can take up to an hour for an image to update

To put an image on a page use: [[File:Image.png]]
There's other magic you can use to add a link and hover name, etc.

[amber prism]

now I can't upload an image 'cause it doesn't pass verification?

Oi\

[digital helm]

Send the image to me, I'll take a look

[elder estuary]

I think this is a great merge.

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hand_Axe How do we feel about this edit to the hand axe page?(Added pros and cons list, distribution and gallery)

[digital helm]

It's good. I think it'll be used a lot more than pretty much everything else on the page

[tulip kiln]

Aye, I was thinking eventually when we have the time, we could maybe use it for stuff like car pages?

[digital helm]

No reason why we couldn't

By the way, I created this template, which should (maybe?) make creating the table quicker and easier? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Pros-cons

Example:

<!-- #PROS# - below this line -->
|pros1 = pros1
|pros2 = pros2
|pros3 = pros3
|pros4 = pros4
|pros5 = pros5
<!-- #CONS# - below this line -->
|cons1 = cons1
|cons2 = cons2
|cons3 = cons3
|cons4 = cons4
|cons5 = cons5
}}```

Or:

<!-- #PROS# - below this line -->
|pros1 = Fastest swing speed of any axe.
|pros2 = Weighs less than most axes.
|pros3 = Can be used as an effective tool for chopping down trees and breaking down doors.
|pros4 = Not too difficult to find.
<!-- #CONS# - below this line -->
|cons1 = Shortest range of any axe.
|cons2 = Deals less damage than most axes.
|cons3 = Not as durable as most axes.
|cons4 = Tied with the Stone Axe for lowest critical hit chance of any axe.
}}```

[digital helm]

@elder estuary I've made a minor addition to the weapon infobox. It shouldn't break anything in your tool. I just added the ammo variable.
Essentially: if "ammo_type" is blank, then check for "ammo"
The ammo variable is put into Template:Img_item to automatically generate an icon image, link, and name based on the input. Best to have it search for the *itemName* if possible, otherwise the DisplayName?
You can read more about that if you want https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Img_item (currently only has firearms and ammo)

This is also used in the ammo infobox for the "weapons". https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_ammo

[tulip kiln]

@digital helm I've tried em but for some reason they keep making the page look like this, it was fine when i tried the old method.

[digital helm]

Ah, I'll try to fix that and let you know

[tulip kiln]

Cheers, I can get to work on it now and fix it up later on.

[digital helm]

Should be good now. I just stopped it from trying to fill the screen. Better this way anyway.

It's only going to be as big as it needs to be

[tulip kiln]

Cool

Fuck, I forgot whether or not woodaxes can be found stuck to zombies.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wood_Axe

[digital helm]

Awesome! Looks good.

[tulip kiln]

Aye, probably the thing I'm most proud of that I've done in pzwiki.

Since it'll really make the pages look better and easier to read.

Oh yeah, cheers for the boilerplates too.

[digital helm]

And creating an entire page hasn't been?

It'll add a lot. I think it'll be very useful. It was a good idea 😃

[tulip kiln]

I dunno if I've asked this yet but regarding the clothing for the pros and cons. If something is definitely designed for colder weather. Do I add that as a pro and make not designed for hot temperatures as a con or something?

[digital helm]

Hmm, that's a hard one. Because they're both positives, depending on what the weather is

[elder estuary]

Btw, I've mentioned it a couple times but havent gotten around to it: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Spear actually has a higher durability maximum based on your carpentry, which can be found in it's recipe code. Not sure whether or not to put the absolute maximum in the infobox or the default maximum

[tulip kiln]

Regarding that page, how did you find the info for the exact day that the weapon starts appearing impaled in zombies and the chance that it appears?

[digital helm]

Maybe keep it as the default condition, but include an abbr/tooltip to mention it scaling to the player's skill?

I'll include it in the crafting recipe

[tulip kiln]

Agreed, that's the pain about spears. That whole carpentry influencing durability thing.

[digital helm]

Are they all like that?

[tulip kiln]

I believe so/

[elder estuary]

Without access to the scripts right now, and maybe vaileasys can be more specific, it's in a file called something like AttachedWeapons.lua

[tulip kiln]

So we'll have to do it for every spear page.

Cheers. found it.

[digital helm]

@tulip kiln AttachedWeaponDefinitions.lua

Didn't know that ^

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, that's going to be super handy for the pages.

Gotta say though, feels like the pzwiki has been going pretty decently for the past few months. We had Faal doing tons of the furniture stuff, decent amount of the weapons having a page made.

[digital helm]

Not quite. It doesn't take the skill into account. It seems to scale the durability depending on the weapon used to craft it.

(while I've been away)?

[tulip kiln]

Really? I swear it was carpentry?

People say it quite often.

Let me test it out ingame.

[digital helm]

I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like it

For the "Crafted Spear"

-- also lower the used knife condition```

For the "Upgraded Spear"
```-- get a mix of spear & upgrade item to do a correct condition of the result
-- we take the craftedSpear condition and substract the attached weapon condition```

[tulip kiln]

Ah, ok so it's just for the crafted spears.

My mistake

[digital helm]

Done. The space was way to cramped to include any info, so I just linked to the Crafting section https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Spear

just noticed that will need to moved to "Crafted Spear"

Also, feel like those spear recipes need to be consolidated into a single recipe... Except there's 13 spears, and the template only allows for 9 :/

[elder estuary]

Also the navbox has wooden spear under survival. I'm still not sure exactly how we're doing build 41, but it seems that crafted spear has completely replaced the old wooden spear that was used for fishing (both in game and on the wiki - the fishing info from pre-41 is gone except on some fishing pages)

[digital helm]

I'm tempted to just change everything over to build 41 names. But I have no idea how many people use 40 over 41. And build 41 is at least 6+ months from release 🤔

It can still be used for fishing though I assume? I might test it, I've never used it for fishing

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Spear How do we feel about this new edit to the wooden spear page guys?

I wanna know if you like the "Special Ability" column. If you do, I might add the columns to weapon pages like guns[Driveby shooting ability], short blades[jawstabs and backstabs], etc. It's like a mini-guide in the page.

I added a gallery to the page, there was already a spear charge pic but I decided to recreate it and use this one instead.[What are you thoughts on this pic?]

Oh yeah, this is the current spear charge pic on the wiki too for context.

[digital helm]

Fits in perfectly. I think it'll be great to include that section

The pictures are good

[tulip kiln]

Do we add that to every spear wiki page then?

Same with every short-blade that can jawstab and backstab etc.

[digital helm]

Do they all have different stats?

[tulip kiln]

Regarding spears? I haven't tested the spear charge on all of them. I assume it works the same on all of them though except maybe the spear with spoon? Cause it's a spoon.

[digital helm]

nvm looks like they do

[tulip kiln]

Every spear charge I attempted, resulted in a one hit kill.

[digital helm]

I was just wondering if it'd be worth grouping them together...

[tulip kiln]

I gotta get around to making more pages too. I've only made one page lately and that was the katana page. I've just been editing pages.

[digital helm]

It's time consuming making a new page

I personally can't just leave it as a bare bones page. I have to do the research

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, usually I just find some page that already has the info and code parts done and build on it.

Cause we got a couple pages that just have the codes on it and not much else.

[digital helm]

btw I noticed the D-E Pistol and M9 Pistol models/icons are mixed up

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, I forgot to fix that. They recently fixed the DE pistol and m9 models.

Ingame it used to be that the M9 had the D-Es model etc.

[digital helm]

Yeah, I'll fix it

[tulip kiln]

Fuck, now that I think about it. Do we add sections for multi-hit? Considering it's a sandbox option and it's on survivor difficulty and [maybe builder? not sure]

[digital helm]

I also added a "ammo" variable to the weapons infobox. Just type in the ammo and it will automatically get the link, icon and name
e.g. ammo=.44 Magnum Bullets

Replace that ^ with ammo_type

[digital helm]

It's in the infobox isn't it?

[tulip kiln]

I don't think so?

I see shit like knockback, knockdown.

[digital helm]

it's not... maybe I thought about adding it?

[tulip kiln]

Nothing saying about how many they hit.

Yeah, we could get away with it if it was just a sandbox option, but it's actually on some of the difficulty presets.

[digital helm]

Maybe it should be added

Seems pretty important

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, I don't have any stats but I feel like a decent amount of people probably use multi hit.

[digital helm]

Also, do you know what the latest is with how people feel about changing item names, etc. to the Build 41?

[tulip kiln]

Sorry, I'm stupid. What do you mean by changing item names?

[digital helm]

e.g. changing "Wooden Spear" to "Crafted Spear"

or "Pistol" to "the other one"

[tulip kiln]

Ohhhh, I haven't seen anybody mention that? I'm cool with it though.

I'd imagine most people would be.

Cause it is confusing having both wooden and crafted.

Also, regarding stuff like the JS2000 regarding the "clip size" info, should I put "6+1 instead of 6?"

Since you can put one shell in the chamber and reload again for 6 bullets and 1 in the chamber.

[digital helm]

I think leave it as 6. To avoid the confusion.

[tulip kiln]

Aye, I could just mention it as a pro or something.

[digital helm]

Just because I think every gun would be +1?

[tulip kiln]

I think every gun except a revolver and double barrel.

[digital helm]

On the JS-2000 page I mentioned the +1 after racking https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JS-2000_Shotgun#Reloading

[tulip kiln]

Ah, right. Completely forgot we had this page already.

I thought it was the same as the pre-41 shotgun.

[digital helm]

I moved the Shotgun page

That's when I realised we may want to wait?

[tulip kiln]

Incase they rebalance it again or something?

[digital helm]

There's some stat changes. I think all the guns were changed

[tulip kiln]

I believe so. Minimal changes were probably made to stuff like the sawn-off.

[digital helm]

Speaking of which - I wanted it give it some love https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sawn_Off_Shotgun

But wondered if I should move it to Sawed-off JS-2000 Shotgun

[tulip kiln]

Probably. I just feel like we're worrying too much about messing with pre-41 players though you know?

Cause the biggest complaint we got by far is how outdated the wiki is in quite a few areas.

[digital helm]

Yeah

[tulip kiln]

I wish we somehow had the ability to make some sort of legacy pzwiki or something for pre-41 but that sounds like shit tons of work.

[digital helm]

I don't know if you keep up with the Steam forum, but 99% of threads are about 41, as if that's the stable verison

Exactly

[tulip kiln]

I definitely do. Most steam forum posts, reddit posts etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if like 70-80% of the playerbase is currently on 41.

I also wanna update stuff like the zombie wiki page eventually too. Quite a lot of that is outdated. Especially when the entire spawning section just talks about Muldraugh,[So I imagine that was written years ago] no other town. Among other things.

[digital helm]

Yeah... Especially when West Point was added in 2013, along with the release on Steam

[tulip kiln]

Aye, it seems like quite an important page, but definitely not as important as clothing and weapons imo so I might avoid it for a while.

[tulip kiln]

@digital helm I'm doing the JS2000 page, you want me to do very brief descriptions of what the attachments do?

Or just make the words link the pages.

[digital helm]

yes please, that would be good (and sorry for non-instant reply)

[tulip kiln]

No worries.

I'll have to also figure out the stats for the attachments too like the reload speed buff for ammo straps, choke tubes etc.

[digital helm]

I wouldn't worry about that. Leave it for their main pages e.g.: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Choke_Tube_Improved

[tulip kiln]

Ah, forgot they do that.

@digital helm You fine with this attachment section?

[digital helm]

Very good

I suspect we'll be copy/pasting a lot of the content for the firearms

[tulip kiln]

Aye, especially the driveby shooting stuff since it'd be the same for all of em.

[digital helm]

Particularly the "Special Ability", "Reloading" and "attachments" - with minor adjustments specific to each weapon

[tulip kiln]

Writing this page reminds me that I forgot to add suicide victims to the distribution list of the other gun pages.

Since you can sometimes find guns and ammo on people who've committed suicide in their bathrooms.

[digital helm]

I forgot too

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JS-2000_Shotgun Done

I also eventually gotta do the pages for vehicle/outdoor/survivor stories eventually.

I sometimes reference them in the distribution list for weapons and clothing and a decent amount of people probably won't know what i'm talking about.

[digital helm]

If you have it as a section within Distribution, that'd be fine.

===Survivor Stories===```

Maybe we could have survivor stories as its own page? - one day

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, there's loads of different types of stories that a decent amount of players won't find.

Such as the Friday the 13th one.

[digital helm]

"a decent amount of players won't find." -me

I've been out of the loop for a while...

[tulip kiln]

Ah, right. Sorry about spoiling it for ya.

But yeah, survivor stories are quite easy to take screenshots of. You just boot up debug mode, right click and spawn one in an area that allows it.

So you can't put a indoor survivor story outside for example.

[digital helm]

So greatful a lot of the debug options were added

I used to have to boot up a local server just to spawn items...

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, debug is insanely helpful for all this stuff.

[digital helm]

or use... that mod, which I forgot the name of

[tulip kiln]

Cheat menu or necroforge?

[digital helm]

That's it!

Necroforge

I want to put all weapon magazines on a single page, but I'm not sure what to title the page. Because you know... "Magazine" is already a thing

[tulip kiln]

I was gonna suggest gun accessories but that just sounds too weird.

I wouldn't consider a magazine a "gun accessory"

[digital helm]

I got it. "Magazine (firearms)". Thanks wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_(firearms)

[tulip kiln]

Boom, that's why I fucking love wikipedia.

That shit carried me through high school.

[digital helm]

90% of my wiki-doings have been researching other wikis

same tbh

[tulip kiln]

I do remember all my teachers saying not to use it as a primary source but it's way better than it used to be.

[digital helm]

I don't see the issue with wikipedia being a source for high school level

What else are you going to source at that level? a news article?

[tulip kiln]

Thankfully the pages do have sources at the bottom.

So you can also use those.

[digital helm]

Those sources got me through uni

or at least part of it

[tulip kiln]

Jeez, I opened the weapon navbox and saw that a lot of the weapons at least have a page, then I opened a clothing navbox and got disheartened by all of the red links.

At least a decent amount of the clothing don't protect much and won't be too difficult to make.

[digital helm]

A lot of the clothing should link to the same page though

So it shouldn't take too long...

[tulip kiln]

I'm thinking that it should be something like police linking to the same page but I dunno about the military ones.

Issue with is that there's just so many military items, I dunno if people would like trying to click on military camo pants to check it's stats and be sent to a page filled with all of the other military clothing.

[digital helm]

My idea was to have similar types of clothing linking to the same page, i.e. Police Shirt, Police Trooper Shirt, Police Deputy Shirt, Prison Guard Shirt & Ranger Shirt. Since they're all very similar - except their stats are all slightly different...

Which is annoying

[tulip kiln]

Ah, right. I thought you meant ALL military clothing and shit like that.

Yeah, I agree regarding that part.'

[digital helm]

Nah, I don't like that, for the reason you said

[tulip kiln]

Like the default baseball cap and the "KY" baseball cap should share a page.

[digital helm]

exactly

[tulip kiln]

The only difference is that you can't spawn with the KY one and it looks slightly different.

[digital helm]

Oh boy - you were right

All that red is disheartening

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, so much shit.

Shit like polo-neck, round neck and diamond patterns definitely gotta share a page, only a visual difference.

[digital helm]

I think you've done most if not all of those

[tulip kiln]

I've done the most I'm positive. Mailo did a few ages ago and I edited his.

[digital helm]

Same with all the different ties

[tulip kiln]

Plus don't forget, a lot of those pages still need galleries and some rewrites. Also the pros and cons stuff.

[digital helm]

Maybe we'll be there in another 2 years?

[tulip kiln]

How optimistic.

[digital helm]

All these minor stat differences are annoying

[tulip kiln]

You're fucking joking?

It's just a different colour.

[digital helm]

How do you put that in an infobox

[tulip kiln]

Why have they done it like this?

[digital helm]

exactly

[tulip kiln]

Ok, I don't really feel like doing the scarf pages then. That feels like an absolute pain.

Cause I dunno how I'm going to write that stuff.

[digital helm]

There's more like that. I'll let you find them

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, this different colour scarf for some reason insulates more or something.

I love pz devs but fuck they make this hard.

[digital helm]

at least you now know to always go for the white scarf

[tulip kiln]

White scarf best scarf it seems.

Oh yeah, I wanted to show you how easy it is to spawn survivor stories in debug[and how there's so many].

Btw, that entire list is only the indoor stories. doesn't cover the outdoor and vehicle ones.

[digital helm]

You've got to have a lot for a game like PZ. Otherwise everything seems copy pasted

[tulip kiln]

Okay, I fucked up on that js2000 page. I forgot that the shotgun suicides seem to spawn in the bathroom.

And for some reason are referred to as "Bathroom Gunman" in the survivor stories.

[digital helm]

Can you do the drive-by shooting with any gun?

[tulip kiln]

I'm pretty sure, but ill double check right now

@digital helm I tested hunting rifles, handguns. All seem to work.

[digital helm]

sweet thank you

[tulip kiln]

Damn, I was doing the garden fork but there's no icon.

WAIT NO

IM BLIND

Thats another weapon page done then

[digital helm]

nice!

[tulip kiln]

Weapon pages just seem way more enjoyable than the clothing ones.

[digital helm]

had no idea the gun light had been added

[tulip kiln]

That could just be because of the pros and cons thing though. Since I don't have to think of a description for the usage most of the time.

I had no idea too?

Some of these attachments don't seem to spawn except if they're already on a gun, I swear.

I've never seen a red dot sight or laser except the times I've found it off of a gun on a suicide victim or zombie.

[digital helm]

Doesn't seem to work though... it can be added and removed, and that's about it

[tulip kiln]

Aye, probably doesn't spawn at all.

[digital helm]

it uses the red dot icon too

[tulip kiln]

We don't have to do pages like the chainsaw either. Since I'm near certain that it hasn't been implemented properly yet.

[digital helm]

Not yet

It's not a priority. I'm sure you could imagine they'd want to spend some time on it to make it good.

Lots of blood

[tulip kiln]

Plus, since it's a chainsaw. Something else has to be added to vanilla alongside it.

Obviously Leather-face.

Also another annoying as fuck page. The "pants" page. It isn't just the randomized colour variant. There's variants that look kinda like jeans.

[digital helm]

obviously indeed

they do too. Although they're made of cotton

[tulip kiln]

Oh shit, yeah. This is the page where I got the pros and cons idea from.

So whoever wrote that in the sawn-off page, they're a legend.

[digital helm]

I'm editing that right now

[digital helm]

I'm just re-using their descriptions for the pros-cons

[tulip kiln]

Don't re-use the far less part.

Even a sawn-off weighs quite a lot now.

[digital helm]

nah, I'm rewriting it all and fact-checking

[tulip kiln]

Ah, cool.

[digital helm]

it's 3.5 to 4

[tulip kiln]

I'm trying to think of a page to do right now.

[digital helm]

Close your eyes and stick your finger on one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_weapons

[tulip kiln]

Eh nah, I already thought of doing the DB shotgun.

Ima quickly debug that in and see how it goes ingame.

[digital helm]

could almost copy paste the JS-2000 probably

[tulip kiln]

Probably a few statistical differences other than the 2 shots. Stuff like accuracy or damage or some shit. But most of the JS-2000 page can be copied.

Few edits to the reloading section etc.

But obviously when I get the pic for the sawn-off DB shotgun. I gotta make the character kind of look like Mad Max.

But at this rate, I feel like by the end of next month, we'd probably have a page for every weapon.

HOLY FUCK!

THIS THING IS SO ACCURATE

The main downside is the ammo capacity and the meh spread.

I do find it extremely weird that the thing fires the same as a JS-2000 though. I thought a DB shotgun would be able to shoot both of it's shots very quickly. Possible oversight?

[digital helm]

oh it can't?

I would've thought that too. Basically as quick as you can click

[tulip kiln]

I'm testing it, basically like 1 sec or a sec and a half till you can fire again.

It seems to have an extremely narrow spread rather than the JS-2000s wide spread.

[digital helm]

Aren't they suppose to use 2 triggers?

[tulip kiln]

I believe so? I definitely think this is some sort of oversight.

It isn't the only gun with weird shit like that.

I'm pretty sure the M16 still hits more than 1 targets even when they're spread apart.

Can't even put any attachments on the DB either.

The only one you can do is use the shotgun shells bandolier.

[digital helm]

nor the sawn off JS-2000

[tulip kiln]

I guess I can kinda understand the Sawn-off regarding the sling part for balancing purposes but this is just the stock db shotgun.

Do we inform people in the wiki pages of this weird shit? Like the DB not firing rapidly.

Like I can just go back and edit it later if they fix it.

[digital helm]

probably best to include it - what if it isn't fixed?

[tulip kiln]

We'd put it in the trivia category or something?

[digital helm]

or if it's intentional

i guess so

[tulip kiln]

The M16 definitely seems like it'll be fixed eventually.

The DB shotgun? Not sure.

Maybe it could be for balancing purposes, who knows.

Cause in it's current state, DB shotgun is actually pretty insane.

[digital helm]

Is the M16 even obtainable?

[tulip kiln]

In Kingsmouth, yes.

[digital helm]

but vanilla

ooh that is

[tulip kiln]

I've heard that they also sometimes spawn on the "Hunter outdoor event" in Knox Country.

Probably an oversight there.

Other than that? Never spawn in Knox Country.

I still have no idea whether I should consider a narrow spread as a con or pro.

It's just so situational. Some situations that narrow spread can help more than wide.

[digital helm]

I think as a pro - i.e. high accuracy

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, cause you could just bunch them up in a single-file line kinda and fuck em up that way if you're doing routine horde clearing.

[digital helm]

it's 5 projectiles, compared to the JS-2000 which is 6

[tulip kiln]

K, we gotta keep in mind that the only attachment that works with the sawn-off and DB are the ammo strap bandoliers.

[digital helm]

So more projectiles would hit one enemy, therefore higher damage to individual enemies

[tulip kiln]

I'll list the projectile thingy as a con maybe?

I mean sure it's more accurate, but less projectiles seems like a bit of a con.

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Double_Barrel_Shotgun Done, somebody else has to do the crafting part for it. I have no idea how to include the sawn off db shotgun crafting thing.

Now that I've been thinking about it though, I can totally understand if they made it not rapidly fire as a balancing decision. The DB shotgun is actually insane. The accuracy destroys zombies, fast reload and it's incapable of jamming.

[elder estuary]

I can do these pretty quick if you wanna shoot me a list of pages to create

[elder estuary]

I guess we do something like See #Stats or something

[languid kayak]

I'd change it all and leave redirects, though I know some are hardcore MP players… Though by the time MP updates to 41 and it will happen sooner or later I'd say they'd benefit more. Also a lot of hardcore MP players known the game really well without wiki anyway :P. And new players should definitely start with 41 as they'll be missing out a lot

[languid kayak]

Wish they'd add a way to spawn all the tiles, or at least the moveable ones. I finally learnet how to create a custom map, but still adding them by hand, saving the map and then logging to inspect them in-game is PITA :P. Some properties can be read in the editor, but I somehow prefer to see them in-game.

(especially as these properties are not plain text and quite cryptical sometimes, some are not used, too)

[languid kayak]

in Tarkov it's all "mods" IIRC

[digital helm]

This sounds like a good idea. @tulip kiln for the Clothing infoboxes where they're the same item but slightly different stats. Let me know if you're not sure how to do this and need help

[digital helm]

Sounds like a plan. I think they'd more want to lookup mechanics, like farming or carpentry, which haven't really changed much.

[digital helm]

I think build 41.51 added at least some spawnable tiles

I imagine you should be able to just add to that file with your own tiles. You just need to know the sprite. Spawn it in with debug mode, then place it down. Once placed it should function and have the stats it normally has. Since iirc it uses the tile sprite rather than an item ID for all the stats

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, no idea how to do that. Right now I'm working on editing the bread knife page and making the "Jawstab and backstab special ability" sections.

[languid kayak]

Yup, they appear in item spawner which is nice

[digital helm]

I'll do the scarf page today as a mock-up. So you can always use it as a reference in the future.

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bread_Knife

Fuck forgot to edit the broken-ass icon, that was there before I edited it.

gimmie sec

Oh yeah incase you're wondering, bread knife shares the same icon as butter knife ingame.

[digital helm]

I made a texture for the bread knife for a mod I was making

[digital helm]

@tulip kiln Here's an image of the model

[tulip kiln]

Ah, sweet. I'll upload it.

How the hell are you getting these 3d images though?

[digital helm]

It's a process...

[tulip kiln]

That sounds like hell.

[digital helm]

hahah

[tulip kiln]

No wonder we don't have many 3d images then.

[digital helm]

The models are stored as X files. From my research, there's no simple way to just import to a 3D program like Blender. So I convert to obj, then import to Blender, then attach the texture, then render the image, then crop the image

[tulip kiln]

Fuck, that's going to sound like hell with clothing too, all the different variants.

[digital helm]

That's one of the reasons there aren't many clothing images

That and the fact that the UV vanishes when I convert the model. Meaning the texture will be a single pixel

[languid kayak]

at least for furniture it's just stitching them together :P. I wonder if for both an automated way could be possible, but I'm a shit coder, sorry

[digital helm]

of course it can. I'm sure half the wiki could be automated. But like you, I have no idea what I'm doing 🙂

[languid kayak]

https://miro.medium.com/max/455/1*snTXFElFuQLSFDnvZKJ6IA.png

[digital helm]

Exactly what I was thinking of

Thank you for finding 🥲

[languid kayak]

It's open source, so technically possible to add it, but I'm in no position to do that, unless someone forked it already like that

[elder estuary]

There is an old tool for an old version of blender that allows .x imports. It seemed to work okay, but doesn't work on newer blender which has a much, much better interface.

Thing is, it's a pretty involved process to convert them programmatically for someone who doesn't really understand the .x file format or how blend files work. And I really don't have the patience or interest to look into it

[digital helm]

I need some help with deciding what to do with this page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_Magazines

Should we keep it as is?
Or break it up into each magazine category? E.g. "Angler USA Magazine", "Electronics Magazine", "Engineer Magazine", "Laines Auto Manual", etc.
Because although most unlock recipes, I wouldn't consider them all to be recipe magazines, specifically, "How to use Generators" and "The Herbalist". But I wonder if they're unique enough to have separate pages.

[languid kayak]

I'm always on an inclusionist side https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in_Wikipedia, so I'd say split into more pages

[digital helm]

Had no idea that was a thing. I'd say I'm the same, so long as it doesn't create unnecessary work when updating pages. I.e. updating a lot of pages with identical info

At least I have one person to back me when I start changing stuff

[languid kayak]

This can be automated, but I get your point. PCGW does that each time they change something in main template, but it still takes time to update all the pages even for bots. They do have more pages though, mind you

[digital helm]

Each page has a lot less text too, and I'm sure some much more tech savvy people

[tulip kiln]

I was feeling bored so I decided to do a tiny bit of work for my crossroads mall page project thingy, although I have an issue. What the hell would I call this store?(There's a second part of it on the floor above) but it seems to sell jewelry, furniture, clothing, etc.

I can't really think of a name for a store like that.

[languid kayak]

Seems like a general store of some kind, though keep in mind it has furniture for sale. Kinda reminds me how markets sell stuff here sometimes, with occasional showcasing of furniture

[tulip kiln]

Maybe department store then?

[languid kayak]

Guess so; to make sure you can check what loot spawns here and what loot tables are called in files. I think there was a mod for that, not sure if it works with new loots though 🤔

If I won't forget, I'll try to check it, but don't count on it to be too quick 😄

[tulip kiln]

Ima be totally honest, no clue how to find the loot tables in the files.

[languid kayak]

I'd guess, but I guess there should be a more elaborate way, though for that, I'd say #mod_development would have to answer 😛

[digital helm]

Think Myer

@tulip kiln

[tulip kiln]

Ah cheers, did you make this? If so, do I just refer to it as unofficial or something?

[digital helm]

Yeah, I made it for that map mod I did

[tulip kiln]

I'll put it in the gallery section.

[digital helm]

Also, the file for the loot tables is Distributions.lua, which now also uses ProceduralDistributions.lua

[tulip kiln]

Ah cool.

[digital helm]

First the item is given a category in ProceduralDistributions.lua then that category is given a location in Distributions.lua

I think

[tulip kiln]

I'm not going for some elaborate page like I envisioned considering that there's so much shit with the mall and I don't wanna waste too much time doing it.

[digital helm]

Yeah... there's too much

[tulip kiln]

Main shit is going to be describing it kinda, listing the shops/cinema just outside the mall, the first floor, second floor etc.

[digital helm]

It'll definitely be the biggest location you've ever done

It's essentially an entire town in a building

[tulip kiln]

I ain't good at measuring shit so I can't tell whether it's slightly bigger than the prison or the prison is slightly bigger[not counting parking lot]

So I'll just say something like one of the biggest buildings in the game.

Especially since Louisville could have a bigger building anyway, who knows.

I'd say just expect a fairly lackluster page but it'll get the job done.

[digital helm]

Anything will be fine. Once the bones of the page are done, people are more likely to add to it

[tulip kiln]

Do you have some sort of crossroads mall logo?

[digital helm]

@tulip kiln

[tulip kiln]

Cheers mate

Fucking hell, infobox is the most boring part.

Keep forgetting how boring it gets.

[digital helm]

For buildings? yeah

Adding the images is the only good part

[tulip kiln]

Except when you realise that the image you were trying to post has already been done and you mildly inconvenienced yourself.

[digital helm]

🤭

[tulip kiln]

OH FUCK

THE LOGO WAS ALREADY UPLOADED

AND IT WAS BY ME OVER A YEAR AGO

[digital helm]

Hahaha shows how long you've been planning on doing this

[tulip kiln]

I think the infobox looks decent so far

Ima credit u for that map thing in the gallery.

[digital helm]

nice, and thanks

[tulip kiln]

That map pic wasn't taken by me too btw. It was just there already and it gets the job done.

[digital helm]

I found this

[tulip kiln]

Is that already uploaded to the wiki?

[digital helm]

nah

[tulip kiln]

I'll upload it

[digital helm]

found it in one of my folders

[tulip kiln]

I can just use that other screenshot as a pic in gallery.

[digital helm]

I think I was planning on doing that page too at some stage

[tulip kiln]

Put it on the backburner cause it's annoying as hell to do?

[digital helm]

ProjectZomboid\media\texturepacks

[digital helm]

Looks like I took that image too

[tulip kiln]

Yep, clearly we were both trying to do this.

[digital helm]

I've got some stuff for the prison and that secret facility

[tulip kiln]

Ik clothing and weapons are a priority but might as well get this shit over and done with since it's a pretty iconic location.

[digital helm]

but we realised how big the project really was

well, clothing and weapons were added in 41, crossroads was added in 30- something

pretty sure there is a sandbox setting

[tulip kiln]

Navigate+open doors.

[tulip kiln]

@digital helm Finally. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crossroads_Mall

Fairly barebones right now. Shit tons of red links too cause of all the businesses that don't have pages.

[digital helm]

Awesome! Good enough

I'll add it to the main page

[tulip kiln]

I doublechecked a lot of ingame too incase the map might have been inaccurate due to the loot table change, seems all fine to me.

[digital helm]

That's pretty much what the location pages were https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Suburbs

[tulip kiln]

Probably the worst page I've ever had to do though, jeez. Glad that shit is behind me.

[digital helm]

now onto the fun ones

The prison

[tulip kiln]

Even that sounds more fun than the damn mall.

[digital helm]

haha, probably

[tulip kiln]

At least I just have to list sections of the prison, not all the individual shops

Next time I get around to doing business/location pages, it'd probably be stuff like prison, secret gov facility and the march ridge dormitory.

Since they're pretty notable locations.

[digital helm]

I'm trying to do all the remaining weapon models. Which'll be the last thing I do today. Then maybe onto the recipe magazines and the rest of the changes in 41.51

Also, if you notice any name changes, let me know. I'm starting to move them all.

[tulip kiln]

Nice, I might get some sleep now after all that shit. I'd probably do something like clothing or wep pages tommorow.

I can't think of any name changes either.

[elder estuary]

Wow, that's a ton of work. That's amazing! Well done!

[digital helm]

Yeah, I didn't quite get them all done that night... But all the current weapon pages should have their models now

[languid kayak]

btw, speaking of spoon, I see you added animation for it, nice! It's worth noting that fork has it as well, might add such a note. Also, as far as I know, there's currently no difference whatsover whether you eat with spoon or not, including animation length, but might be worth checking and adding appropriate note that it's currently only visual

[digital helm]

I might do that today if I have time. I wasn't sure about the fork, but I knew the spoon did it (can I cheat and use the spoon anim? can you tell?)

[elder estuary]

What's the name of the file You probably can :P

[digital helm]

Definitely not Spoon_Eating_Anim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Spoon_Eating_Anim.gif

[languid kayak]

Yes, you can 🙂

I tested it some time ago but it can be tested easily by launching the game with -debug parameter and then loading or starting a game and spawning fork and bowl of beans for example from item spawner

I might retest it later today just to be sure, but I can't at the moment sadly

[languid kayak]

barely visible but it's a fork

There seems to be a bug with debug when satiate doesn't go away, resulting in two being available though 🤔

to clarify it's a fork 🙂

with fork on the ground

These might need sorting out for sanity sake someday: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:DoubleRedirects

[digital helm]

Maybe when the redirect links get fixed... Otherwise it's too confusing.

[languid kayak]

yeah

[mortal surge]

man imagine project zomboid with the exanima physics engine

[mortal surge]

to the people that thought of making a base at the fire station, this is it now

[elder estuary]

@quartz bear still need a copy of the game?

Just PM me your steam ID

[elder estuary]

Invite sent - my steam is: The Amish Haunt my Dreams

Should be sent

You do you, you've earned it

[limpid kettle]

@digital helm
The design of the wiki is much more sophisticated than before. It is much easier to read and access articles.
Thank you so much 😄

[digital helm]

That's okay! I'm trying to make it easier for some pages to be translated at the moment. Particularly the list of items, so they'll automatically translate 😀

[elder estuary]

We have a tiny issue

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Saucepan

The infobox cannot display all of the relevant information. Specifically, it cannot have the water holding properties and the weapon properties, as we've separated those into two different infoboxes.

[digital helm]

Aw man. Maybe we'll add the water properties to the weapon infobox? Is the saucepan the only one? I can't think of any others

[languid kayak]

For Steam invites, you can also use https://steamcommunity.com/my/friends/add in the future 🙂

https://s.team/p/djw-hfrh/mcfkbhrb should be mine for example 😛 (these are one time use though, mind)

[languid kayak]

Sausepan is the only one, yes.

At least in vanilla currently

That's why it's not called "Empty Sausepan", too

[mortal stirrup]

Hey guys, Dave here, English technical communications specialist. I notice the Injuries and Poultice page lack concrete information on recovery and shortening times, respectively. Is data scraping for this information on the to-do list?

[elder estuary]

Here is a list of ongoing projects: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects

[elder estuary]

In short, no, it isn't a priority. But that doesn't mean someone won't choose to work on it anyways.

[elder estuary]

@digital helm Speaking of this - what should I know about creating Community Project pages? There are quite a few blank ones - is it cool if I make them at some point and put what I think is relevant information on them? At least a skeleton? I think creating those so we know exactly what needs done in the project is pretty important.

[digital helm]

Yeah of course. Go ahead. Anyone can create projects, etc.

[elder estuary]

I'm 99% sure they require a can opener just from looking at the scripts

[near osprey]

@quartz bear tuna definitely does not

[mortal stirrup]

Is there a guide to how to get into the code and observe the numbers?

[near osprey]

@quartz bear

what irl?

[elder estuary]

It's not bad. Just go to your local Project Zomboid files (if windows, probably C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/ProjectZomboid) then go to /media/scripts and item definitions are found there

[near osprey]

get well soon bro

[elder estuary]

Again if in windows, I recommend using the findstr command to search for the item you want. Basically, go to the navigation bar (where the URI to the folder you're in is) and type cmd. It will open a command prompt already located in that folder. Then, type the following command: findstr /snip /c:"[text you wish to search for, no brackets]" *.*

[near osprey]

[elder estuary]

Basically, it will search all files in the current directory and recursively delve into subdirectories to search as well. The /snip is actually 4 separate parameters - I don't remember what each does individually, but in total it: 1. ignores binary (non text) files; 2. provides the line number associated with the text you searched for; 3. ignores the capitalization of the text you're searching for

[mortal stirrup]

Alright. My goal for now is to find out the effectiveness of poultices in injury recovery.

[elder estuary]

That being said, you can also just manually search for your text using your best judgement. Like if you're looking for Wrench, it's going to be under items_weapons.txt

Here's example output for searching for poultice: models_items.txt:4830: model Poultice models_items.txt:4832: mesh = WorldItems/Poultice, models_items.txt:4833: texture = WorldItems/Poultice, newitems.txt:1720: DisplayName = Plantain Poultice, newitems.txt:1723: WorldStaticModel = Poultice, newitems.txt:1740: DisplayName = Comfrey Poultice, newitems.txt:1743: WorldStaticModel = Poultice, newitems.txt:1760: DisplayName = Wild Garlic Poultice, newitems.txt:1763: WorldStaticModel = Poultice, recipes.txt:1073: recipe Make Plantain Poultice recipes.txt:1083: recipe Make Comfrey Poultice recipes.txt:1093: recipe Make Wild Garlic Poultice

So looks like newitems.txt is the definitions file, recipes to make it are under recipes.txt

[mortal stirrup]

Well, that tells me a lot but nothing about their usage effects.

[elder estuary]

If you're looking for that, you'd be lucky to find it under /ProjectZomboid/media/lua probably /server. If you're unlucky, it's in the source code itself and is written in java, not lua

If you're determined, you can decompile select java classes pretty easily and search the java code yourself. I have a fully decomped build 41.50 that I can look through if you'd rather

[near osprey]

can't unsee now

I've just finished playing around with some metalworking

it sucks - you get the best container at level 4

metal walls can still be set on fire, although it doesn't spread as easily

going to work on the metalworking page tomorrow

[mortal stirrup]

The most lacking article on the wiki is this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug_mode

[dark phoenix]

Hey guys, quick question, how do you orientate things on the right on the wiki?
also is there is good resource for the formatting for the wiki, so those tables and things are easy to make.
An example of that right table would be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bandage
I'm currently working on Denim Strips, if it matters.

Thanks!

[dark phoenix]

Welp, imma need some help, but I just put this on for now. I want to expand to the leather strips as well after this. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Denim_Strips

Thanks for help and editing peoples!

[digital helm]

welp indeed. I'd recommend taking a look at this page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners
Here's the page template (copy and paste then delete the parts that aren't necessary: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_items

Those pages would use this infobox: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item_custom
But you can just copy and paste the one from Bandages and change it (and remove sterilized):

|display_name=Bandage
|name_colour=Medical
|name_text_colour=Medical
|image=Bandage_120px.png
|alternate_image=BandageDirty.png
|alternate_name=Dirty Bandage
|weight=0.1
|function=[[Health#Bandaging|Bandage]] [[Moodles#Bleeding|bleeding]] wounds
|variant1=Bandage
|func1=Bandage power [[File:Moodle_bleeding.png|right|link=Moodles#Bleeding|Bleeding]]
|data1=4
|variant2=Dirty Bandage
|data4=0
|variant3=Sterilized Bandage
|data7=4
|func2=Other function(s)
|data8=Prevent or cure [[Health#Types of Wounds|infected]] wounds
|class_name=See [[#Item IDs|Item IDs]]
}}```

And thanks for helping out 😁

[languid kayak]

@elder estuary they do not, tune was the most recent addition

[languid kayak]

for linux (and WSL) you can also use grep -rni -e "string" to search the current directory recursively

[dark phoenix]

Thanks a bunch! Kinda love working on Wiki's as it helps others with what I was looking for

[digital helm]

The exact reason I do it. Feel free to ping me anytime if you need help

[dark phoenix]

thanks :)

[ripe junco]

Hey, I love the game and I'd love to help with the wiki

I'm already reading all the relevant stuff but is there anywhere I should look to get started editing more than others?

[tepid shell]

Shouldn't we put in the future occupations in the occupation page of the wiki?

[frail fossil]

#pzwiki_editing

Nm thats the chat were in im dumb

[mortal stirrup]

No page on hair dyes?

[mortal stirrup]

literally nothing about TREEs on the wiki

[near osprey]

it's a tree

[mortal stirrup]

Well, what else? How many logs do different types of trees give at different sizes and stages of their life? How long does it take them to regrow? Does chopping trees down reduce the forage output of a 40x40 area? How common are injuries running through trees? What kind of visual or noise cover do trees provide?

A Tree page has a lot of potential for fact-finding thru the code.

[mortal stirrup]

Calm and focus, it ain’t like that mate. Simply don’t have the time and lua/java understanding to go in and data mine. Just pointing to a hole with a lot of potential for people better than me.

[thorny pike]

i guess it does kinda come off like that

ik you dont mean to come off like that tho dw

[frail fossil]

If you're not going to contribute in any way other than coming across as scolding others then don't do anything

[mortal stirrup]

I was typing neutral from the start; nothing about ‘scolding’ anyone. I brought trees up casually, wasn’t like “gIvE mE tReE!!1” I offered questions and said that it had potential, then the accusatory fireworks started. Next time I will throw in some flower emojis. /s Nobody likes being talked down to so how about we all agree to peacefully move on to the next pzwiki topic.

[near osprey]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metalworking

rewrote that page

[clever crypt]

Alluseri#1337 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[near osprey]

@quartz bear have you done anything so far?

[near osprey]

@quartz bear maybe try tailoring

or another smaller page

cooking is a big topic

[thorny pike]

updated tailoring page a little bit

[elder estuary]

You should create a project or skeleton page of information you think should exist. Start it off with an {{underconstruction}} and put the headers in.

[limpid kettle]

@digital helm
I can't create a new "Knox County/ja" page.
If I try to create a new "Knox County/ja" page, will be redirected to the "Knox Country/ja" page. Probably related to the "moved page".

[limpid kettle]

This page is "Knox_Country/ja".
In the Discord URL, it's "Knox_County/ja", but when you click on it to display the page, it becomes "Knox_Country/ja".

[dark phoenix]

Is there any way to know whats pics are uploaded on the pz wiki yet?
Im looking for a dirty denim strip

[limpid kettle]

I don't know, so I'll look it up.

[dark phoenix]

Additionally, How do you lookup recepies so you can use them in the article?

Like would there be a page that contains the master numbers for the recipes? I'm just having trouble finding things

[thorny pike]

{{RecipeLookup|3002}}
the number? i cant seem to find the list of numbers too

[elder estuary]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:RecipeLookup

Which is apparently deprecated. So: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_header

@dark phoenix On https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Denim_Strips, you should put an {{underconstruction}}

[thorny pike]

nice, thank you

[dark phoenix]

Ah you don't like my fantastic custom under construction sign?

also thanks, I look backed on the page but I didn't see this (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting/core)

@elder estuary so basically just make your custom recipe for whatever and don't use the {{RecipeLookup|****}} anymore. right?
one more question, is a database or something with all the uploaded pictures thus far for the wiki?

[elder estuary]

Honestly, I have no idea how to search for items better than going to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:SpecialPages and selecting 'File list' (which takes you here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListFiles). Another way, less reliable but seemingly with different results sometimes, is to enter a search starting with File: and then letting autocomplete help out

@dark phoenix

[elder estuary]

Here's an example: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?search=File%3A&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go

[dark phoenix]

Gotcha I see what you mean, thanks!
I presume for anything that isn't uploaded I would just need to unpack it from whatever folder myself and upload it then right\

Also thanks for all the help, getting started on this is a bit confusing, I've never really done too many wiki pages from scratch before

[thorny pike]

its fun to help the wiki, feels great to contribute

[dark phoenix]

Indeed it does, makes me want to write a tutorial for dummies for others to make pages

@thorny pike One last question while I have you here, Do you know what files to unpack to get the png's for items?

[thorny pike]

sorry, no idea. i have only been using png's that already exists

[dark phoenix]

aight np!

[digital helm]

@dark phoenix I've been working on this template for the item icons https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Img_item

Generally, for an item icon we use the name given to it in the game's code. E.g. Denim Strips is DenimStrips.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:DenimStrips.png
Dirty Denim Strips currently use the same icon as Denim Strips - same for Leather Strips

You can find the icon name in the item scripts ProjectZomboid\media\scripts
Denim Strips and Leather Strips are in newitems.txt

That's also where we get all the stats for the infobox

It's redirecting you. Go here and click edit: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_County/ja&redirect=no

If you want to edit a redirect, click the link to go back (it's currently bugged showing the page name of the page it's redirecting to)

@limpid kettle, I meant to ping

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_County/ja&redirect=no - the redirects are confusing and due to being fixed, I guess it's @restive adder who has to do it?

[languid kayak]

oh, just realized I wasn't the first 😛

[languid kayak]

Generally, they should be categorized, but it's sadly tedious job to do, especially as people often upload without category and I think it's not yet done right for all images, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects (Navigation and Categories). I did categorize images for tiles, but there are many images that are missing category: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles

Some might also be duplicate and/or outdated or named oddly, but like I said, it's a process to categorize them properly, I have my TODO https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn#TODO do name images for Furniture, maybe something I'd like to deal with with @digital helm but guess not so soon™ for me 😦

Either way, it seems denims is not uploaded, unless it's with different name, you can search for it here: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?search=denim&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=images&fulltext=1

oh nvm, it was uploaded, just search is borked 😛

Also @elder estuary gave a good advice, too

[digital helm]

That's a pretty rubbish search engine. You have to practically type the entire name before it'll show up https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?search=DenimStrips.png&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns6=1

[languid kayak]

That sux indeed, never really paid attention, as I rarely search fo files; is it the same on other Wikis including Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons?

[digital helm]

as far as I know.

[dark phoenix]

Got it thanks for all the info!

[prisma dune]

So you guys decided to move the wiki to build 41 instead of having info from both builds?

[near osprey]

yeah

some pages have info from both builds, but it's outdated enough

[dark phoenix]

Welp back for more help, working on (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Denim_Strips) as always.

I copied the template for the crafting boxes from (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting/core) but I can't figure out how to make the boxes only 2 things large and not 9 Ingredients

thanks as always

[near osprey]

@dark phoenix https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_health

the guide for the new recipe lookup is on that page + pinned to this channel, I think your method would be used for the original table but you just add a lookup

I've added the new crafting table lookup below your one so you can see the difference

forgot to mention, the 'ing=2' makes the table length 2 ingredients long

[dark phoenix]

Apparently we're not supposed to use crafting lookup so I did it this way.
Thank again for the ing!

[near osprey]

don't use the old one yeah, that's the new one

[elder estuary]

I think I found the best media on the wiki: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fire_Pit.png

[thorny pike]

Added image of Tailoring screen along with multiple edits

[digital helm]

oh nice. Top quality

[thorny pike]

literally couldnt tell it was a campfire at first

[near osprey]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Big_Double_Pope_Gate

pope gate

[digital helm]

super secret feature

Oops... looks like the link was my fault. But someone blindly created the page 😆

[languid kayak]

🙏

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-pope-huh-smh-gif-8064853

[limpid kettle]

Thanks again!

[digital helm]

Sorry, I missed your question.
Yes we're updating to build 41. There's so much added that it's far too much work to try to update and preserve build 40.
The majority of people play on build 41 now too.

[thorny pike]

edited some of the cooking article, for some reason its....idk, hard to edit?? just cant seem to find enough info

[thorny pike]

there, added info about hunger and nutrition. definitely gonna need more help improving

[thorny pike]

heading to bed, ill do how much % of hunger value and calories you take from rotten food at level 7-10 cooking, gn

[thorny pike]

done

[digital helm]

So descriptive

[elder estuary]

@dark phoenix 😠

Probably didn't mean to make the page tbh

@digital helm Can anyone delete pages or is it admin privilege? I assume admin because history probably isn't conserved?

[digital helm]

Nah it's only admin. Page history is deleted, but delete/move history is preserved iirc

I wouldn't delete a page just because it's blank anyway.

[digital helm]

@thorny pike I'm guessing you want this page/file deleted?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:螢幕擷取畫面_(370).png

[thorny pike]

yes please

i forgot it just use the Screenshot (370) name mb

[digital helm]

all good. done

[elder estuary]

If it wasn't admin only, I was gonna do a sweep of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles

[digital helm]

I agree, but there's a lot of versions of the same icon. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Plastic_Bag.png

[elder estuary]

I definitely disagree, here are some examples: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Moodles.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Unknownitem2.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:9d19de2a639e740fe3f0426f9012a69f.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fire_Pit.png

Man, zombies used to look bad

[digital helm]

I deleted some of those. I'll take a better look in a bit

[dark phoenix]

Wait wtf did i do XD

I think i make a blank "jeans" page because there wasnt a link to it
So im like oh hey lets make a page

So that this link isnt dead and it leads to the jeans page!

[dark phoenix]

I think i fixed it!
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jeans

A masterpiece

[thorny pike]

yes

Wiki pages like these makes my eye watery - I cry every time I look at them. I just think about how much effort editors put into these articles to tell us all about the information of the game. I am just really glad we have a really great community. I am so proud!

[thorny pike]

should be fine now

dw you can undo it

[near osprey]

I might do a bit of work on the cooking page @thorny pike

[languid kayak]

I gotta take care of furnitures there, some are duplicated and not really used, but I think I'm gonna rename them to follow the in-game names as per my TODO: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn#TODO

I have so much backlog on monitoring the changes on pzwiki lol. I used to patrol all the edits, since there were so few of them but now it's gone huge, good job guys 😛

Also added a small edit to jeans btw, but the page is nice now 🙂

[thorny pike]

great

[languid kayak]

💚

[thorny pike]

[thorny pike]

done, many more to go...

is there a way to search for every articles that has absolutely nothing/1% info

ty

[thorny pike]

spear with butter knife created

gtg eat brb

[near osprey]

should the spears be squashed into one page?

[thorny pike]

idk, what do you think?

[near osprey]

it's the same item basically, would be useful for comparison between

[thorny pike]

good point

[near osprey]

like a screwdriver/hunting knife is better than a letter opener/scalpel

same or higher damage, much better durability I think.

[thorny pike]

should i just use the same info from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons and drag them in the spear page?

[near osprey]

yeah maybe

we don't need 14 different spear pages

not sure what the rules are for this sort of thing

[thorny pike]

ill still drag them in there anyway, see what Vaileasys think about it - ill still create different pages for the spears since i already started and dont really wanna delete them lol (unless required to do so)

done

[tulip kiln]

While this sounds like some mild annoyance but shouldn't the spear upgrades go after the section on how to craft the spear?

[thorny pike]

sure

[tulip kiln]

Sorry to bother ya bout it.

Good job on that tho

[thorny pike]

all good

done (preview)

[near osprey]

yeah see what the admins say about it

I'd prefer one big spear page than 14 different smaller ones

more usable, easier to update if something changes

[thorny pike]

changes saved

[near osprey]

cool cool

at work at the minute, I can help you out with that page sometime soon

[nova fossil]

There's a lot of clothing items lacking, damn

Maybe i should help out the wiki

[thorny pike]

yeah...all those red names

[thorny pike]

it would be nice to have more people helping the wiki out!

[nova fossil]

Since i'm playing anyway

Won't be hard to help out with some edits

[thorny pike]

oh it seems like denim and leather strips increase bullet defense too

crap - i messed up the defense value for different fabrics, sorry
ill test it and then fix it

[digital helm]

We discussed this a week or 2 ago and decided that'd be best. As you mentioned, not much point having 14 pages we needed to try and keep updated with pretty much the same info.

[near osprey]

ah I haven't been here that long

very cool then, wikiwork continues

[thorny pike]

("This article might be outdated.")
Does the microwave actually make food items less nutritious? My laptop is updating atm so cant test it immediately

[elder estuary]

Some foods have the attribute "badmicrowaved"

[elder estuary]

At the very least, they will add unhappiness to certain foods with that attribute. Not sure about actual nutrition values

[thorny pike]

Thanks anyway

[thorny pike]

doesnt make it less nutritious, only unhappiness and boredom
ill edit the page 👌

[dark phoenix]

Thanks for doing that, I was unironically going to do it after I fixed the denim STrips one

[dark phoenix]

As far as I know denim Strips are only craft-able correct?

[jolly plank]

You can get them from jeans and such with scissors instead of ripped sheets

[dark phoenix]

Yeah I know that, I was just making sure that you could't find them in containers and such

[jolly plank]

I never have

[dark phoenix]

I'm just finishing the wiki entry and wanted to make sure of it

[jolly plank]

Speaking of wiki, one of the tables in the tailoring part has the rarity and patch effects swapped

[dark phoenix]

which one is it

ah

found it, ill change it real quick

[jolly plank]

Ty.

[dark phoenix]

Alright https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Denim_Strips has been mostly completed! I need some help with one last thing though. With the crafting boxes there are some rouge spaces that mess up the ingredient 2 box and make it larger and off-center

that and rip it apart (HA) for any mistakes

[mortal stirrup]

Why the spears table have a weapon durability column that ranges from 5 (crafted spear) to 12 (machete spear) when it says earlier in the article that durability is "defined by a random number between: 2 + carpentry and 4 + carpentry" https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafted_Spear

[near osprey]

a regular wooden spear has it's durability defined by the carpentry level

if you attach a weapon it uses that durability instead

it's all a mess at the minute

[elder estuary]

uses it instead or it gets added on?

-- we take the craftedSpear condition and substract the attached weapon condition
function Recipe.OnCreate.UpgradeSpear(items, result, player, selectedItem)
    local conditionMax = 0;
    for i=0,items:size() - 1 do
        if items:get(i):getType() == "SpearCrafted" then
            conditionMax = items:get(i):getCondition()
        end
    end
    
    for i=0,items:size() - 1 do
        if instanceof (items:get(i), "HandWeapon") and items:get(i):getType() ~= "SpearCrafted" then
            conditionMax = conditionMax - ((items:get(i):getConditionMax() - items:get(i):getCondition())/2)
        end
    end
    
    if conditionMax > result:getConditionMax() then
        conditionMax = result:getConditionMax();
    end
    if conditionMax < 2 then
        conditionMax = 2;
    end

    result:setCondition(conditionMax);
end```

Looks like it's capped by the maximum of the item in question. Ie. spear with machete has a set max durability that isnt influenced by the level of carpentry. But it seems like the condition at crafting is influenced by the spear's current condition - ie. a better crafted spear will have a higher durability than a poorer crafted one - if they use the same machete to craft

In short, it might influence how much durability remains on crafting, but it does not influence the maximum durability. Unless I'm not understanding entirely.

[near osprey]

can't dig into it but you are probably right

it makes sense for it to be that way

[elder estuary]

This might have a side effect of actually being able to repair the hand weapon on reclaiming

that is, if I use a 1 durability machete and put it on a high durability spear (from carpentry), then dismantle it and get the machete, it might have a higher durability

-- we also want to return the spear with appropriate condition
function Recipe.OnCreate.DismantleSpear(items, result, player, selectedItem)
    local conditionMax = selectedItem:getCondition();

    if conditionMax > selectedItem:getConditionMax() then
        conditionMax = selectedItem:getConditionMax();
    end
    if conditionMax < 2 then
        conditionMax = 2;
    end
    local spear = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.SpearCrafted");
    spear:setCondition(conditionMax);
end```

This one, I have no idea. They don't even set the durability of the hand weapon

Would require some testing in game, I think. If anyone ends up with some free time, it might be worth it

[thorny pike]

Attached a 1/13 condition machete to a 5/5 condition crafted spear with 10 carpentry
Result: 2/12 Condition Spear with Machete
Dismantled the spear
Result: reclaimed a 2/13 condition Machete and 2/5 condition spear

[digital helm]

You could've saved yourself a lot of time by just referencing the crafting index in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_general and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_health

There's a quick guide at the top of the page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_general#Usage

Template:Crafting/core should only be used to create a new index in one of the crafting templates. By using the index, we only have to update the recipe in one place if it ever gets changed.

E.g.

{{Crafting general|043|ing=2}}
{{Crafting health|004|ing=2}}
|}```

Re the big spaces: I'm not sure why that's happening... It's caused by the `ing` param, but why? I'm not sure...

[digital helm]

That comment is only relevant for the "Crafted Spear". The upgraded spears were only added to that page a day or 2 ago, so they're not properly referenced yet.

@elder estuary @near osprey what do you think about adding a the upgraded spears to a separate page? Crafted Spear and Spear with Upgrade or something like that?

[dark phoenix]

Welp fuck.

I thought the effort was to not use that anymore. There is a note in the crafting index from 4 years ago or something that says not to use it. (Degraded or something) also people said not to use index anymore.

Tbh it wasnt that bad, once you got the hang of it it went quite fas

[digital helm]

No no. You're thinking of Template:RecipeLookup. Those crafting templates are new and listed here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting_see_also

Can you elaborate as to why?

[digital helm]

They're all crafted spears, but there's only one item called "Crafted Spear". Should we include "Baseball Bat" and "Spiked Baseball Bat" on a single page too?

I'm just of the opinion that pages should be grouped together sparingly and only where they're similar enough to be grouped together. For example: I've been breaking up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe Magazines to each magazine type such as: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Angler_USA_Magazine

In this case, the types of spears are: Crafted Spear, Spear (upgraded), Umbrella and Garden Fork
Rather than having every upgraded spear having its own page, we reduce it by one, to have one page for every upgraded spear, rather than reducing it by two and having one page for every craftable spear.

I would personally want one page for every upgrade, but there's a lot of work to do that and maintain it.

[mortal stirrup]

I think combining would be best as long as there is no loss of technical details on the grouped items.

[elder estuary]

Just setting up the redirects would be enough for me to sign off on it. I think the info will be on the wiki regardless, just needs to be accessible. Ideally, spear with butter knife will take you to the stars for spear with butter knife, or at least the list in general.

My vote is yes: two pages in total for crafted spears and spears with upgrades.

[languid kayak]

I'd also say splitting is better (though more work), especially when distribution gets updates, some items can be found in tottally different spaces

for things such as magazines you mentioned

[near osprey]

@digital helm @elder estuary late reply but yeah good idea, one for just the basic spear and a page for the upgrades

[dark phoenix]

Ah damn, welp thanks for letting me know

[digital helm]

So that's settled. I'll leave it as is for now, unless someone else wants to do it. I've got too much stuff I'm in the middle of and a lot more I want to do

There's also going to be models for pretty much every item, which will be fun

[elder estuary]

If anyone is looking for a page to do: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adhesive_Tape

Along with the similar items:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Duct_Tape
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wood_Glue
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Glue

[elder estuary]

Can anyone confirm this? I don't think I've heard this before: The effects of Agoraphobic, Claustrophobic and Cowardly will get weaker and weaker as time goes on. Agora and Claustro will completely fade after approximately 4 months unless the player is speeding up time while Outdoors/Indoors.

From https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits

[frail fossil]

This is the only "proof" I have. B41 character, and can confirm that the effect gets way less stronger

Not completely gone, but you do get resistant. Also it seems to ignore player-made buildings

[thorny pike]

Removed the rest and only left the The effects of Agoraphobic, Claustrophobic and Cowardly will get weaker and weaker as time goes on part

I will try once my laptop is fixed, thanks
Although someone else will find it out already

[limpid kettle]

Could you please delete this page?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Practical_Survival_Guide/ja

[tulip kiln]

What's wrong with it?

[glacial wren]

Just looks like a japanese translation of a survival guide. Doesn't seem anything wrong with that

[limpid kettle]

The information on that page is quite old, and there is already a separate page with the following information.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survival_Guide/ja

When I search for this game in my country's language, the page I just mentioned appears at the top of the search results. This can cause confusion for people who are just starting the game.

[digital helm]

Although old, it's an okay guide in general, other than the fact it's very specific as to the steps you MUST take to survive. Ideally a guide would give the reader a lot more freedom and be about a specific part of the game (not a big fan of a general survival guide). Like these guides from ye olde DayZ mod https://dayz.fandom.com/wiki/Mod:Guides_%26_Tutorials

I'll blank and redirect to Survival_Guide/ja for the reasons you've mentioned. I'll post a link to the previous version on the talk page.

Preserved: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Survival_Guide/ja#Archived_Survival_Guide_.282015.29

[limpid kettle]

Thank you as always 😀
I think it's necessary to keep it to in-depth content, rather than describing the recommended way to play.

P.S
"Survival_Guide/ja" is by no means complete and the content needs to be added or translated.

[frail fossil]

is that existing house or you build it yourself?

[frail fossil]

The latter

[dark phoenix]

So i did hear somewhere on reddit that there is a claculation based on how long your character has survived and how much they panic with zombies. So I know for sure that regular panic with zombies is based off of that.
It could just be that it's not just panci related to zombies but panic related to ALL sources

Also it's time to update a page into the 21st century.
This time I'm going to do windows! (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Window)

few questions regarding that.
1)how are we going to display picking up items in game?
Reason is that the only way to obtain windows AFAIK is through the use of a crow bar on an existing window in the game. You can only do this on normal widows that open in houses, but not on the large double windows commonly found in trailers and large windows like the ones found on the gas stations that do no open or close.

I swear I had more questions but those have escaped me for now, ill spam them later

if anyone wants to help with windows go ahead, imma try to find the actual models for the windows later today

[frail fossil]

Question, how can I change some of the information contained in tables like this one? I just wanna make a small change, replacing "clip" with "magazine". I tried with the edit button on the top but the preview showed me that part disappeared entirely

[prisma dune]

@frail fossil its a template so you have find what template was used and edit it there

I believe when you edit, there is a button at the bottom that tells you which were used

[frail fossil]

Alrighty 👍

Oh I didn't notice that list, thank you

Huzzah!

Crap, I forgot to document it as a minor change

[digital helm]

Take a look at the Tiles page. I imagine it'll be documented like that, or even on that page, if it isn't already

[near osprey]

depending on who you ask the difference between a clip & magazine isn't minor

@frail fossil

[eternal shore]

I can confirm that after 4-5 months my character with claustrophobic and cowardly didn't panic anymore in normal-sized house rooms, but still panicked in small closet-sized rooms, as the panic is tied to room size.

[digital helm]

Ever wanted to know how PAWS came to an end? Or what PAWS even is?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PAWS

Best read while listening to:

[dark phoenix]

^ fantsatic piece of history, thanks!

[frail fossil]

100% sure that was the music the replaced PZ's main menu music when you enabled the "mod template" mod

[languid kayak]

Great page, always wanted it to be done!

[elder estuary]

lmao, nice. I had no idea about this!

[digital helm]

That was originally the music for paws. But yes, you're right

[elder estuary]

Sounds like some trivia to me

[frail fossil]

I'm aware of that, yes, I know it's from PAWS, but still a cool piece of trivia nonetheless

[dusky verge]

Could anyone add this link to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dedicated_Server page.
https://github.com/patrix87/SteamCMDServerManager
I think it could be very useful for anyone who wants to start a server without much hassle.

I built it around PZ dedicated servers but it works with most SteamCMD servers.

[digital helm]

Awesome! Looks useful. I've added it

[limpid kettle]

I've heard of Project Zomboid game in a few WIP videos.

[timid wyvern]

Hey, I was looking through some stuff on the pzwiki and noticed that the Portuguesewiki is missing a lot of stuff
If someone could just guide me through how to edit things, I could copy the ENGLISH wiki part and simply translate it since it's already updated
@digital helm

[digital helm]

Hi, that would be incredible if you could do that. For a quick general editing guide I'd recommend taking a look at: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners

The main thing though, when creating a new non-english page, it needs to be a subpage of the English page. You can change the display title by using {{DISPLAYTITLE:*page name to be displayed*}}. See: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Style_guide#Translations

If you want to get more in-depth with the translating, take a look at Halkaze's talk page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Halkaze. I haven't gotten around to creating a proper guide for that yet. Just replace every mention of "ja" to "pt".

The templates (things like infobox) are still a WIP for translations. However the plan is to make them automatically translate depending on the language code. For an example, see: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Saucepan/ja, it's a direct copy of the english page.
The translations need to be defined in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Translation/pt (you'll see I've already added the months). It might be worth copying and pasting the contents from Template:Translation/ja to Template:Translation/pt, then translating. Then it'll at least get the weapon infobox to automatically be translated: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_weapon

If you'd like, I'll collate a list of of words that need to be translated to get the infoboxes working (hopefully today). https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox

Any questions or issues, let me know.

[timid wyvern]

All these links scared me at first but It's really more intuitive to do it then I thought. The main page at least is almost ready
But hey, I noticed on the Survival Guides that Tailoring ins't linked, yet a page exists in the wiki if you search for it
Could I add it to the translated Survival Guide already or should I wait til it's done?

[digital helm]

Of course. Go ahead. Feel free to add anything that looks to be missing. Bigger changes, or if you're unsure about anything, best to discuss here

[timid wyvern]

I will add the Tailoring Link onto the Portuguese Wiki
but the Main Page I don't have permission to edit, so someone will still have to add it there

[digital helm]

Oh, yeah I'll add that. Thanks

[timid wyvern]

I was just about to say that
It's missing the Sneak from Build 41 and the Quiet Shout / Whisper

[digital helm]

I did not know that

[thorny pike]

the MaxHitCount is always 1 unless Multi-hit is Enabled right?

[digital helm]

Not from my experience. Something I'll need to test. I mostly play on Survivor and most weapons seem to hit 2+

[thorny pike]

i edited the code for baseball bat, i assume the MaxHitCount = 2 is only true for Multhit enabled
im pretty sure some weapons can only hit 1 no matter what and some can hit up to 3

yeah we should test it, ill do it rn in debug mode with different weapons, thanks

[thorny pike]

checked code
baseball bat - 2
woodaxe - 3
sledgehammer - 3

when i tested these 3 it seems like its correct

weapons can have 1, 2 or 3 maxhit

[thorny pike]

forgot there are still many weapons to update lol

[thorny pike]

actually are there anything else left to add in Tailoring?

i wanna check what are the chances of getting thread from ripping clothes from each level of tailoring skills

[digital helm]

I've been meaning to look into these that got added 41.51

-Added small XP gain when ripping clothing/sheets. Gaining small amounts of XP when you recieve some thread back from items so it can't be abused.```

[thorny pike]

there are new options to add Padding to all parts using fabric or Patch all Holes using fabric

[fair cedar]

Does the wiki have a dark mode?

https://tenor.com/view/sad-baby-frown-cry-tantrums-gif-4649018

Chrome is the devel

Thank you, though.

[frail fossil]

[frail fossil]

[dusk finch]

[rancid depot]

[thick arrow]

sadly on most browsers forced dark readers are resource hogs

[tranquil stone]

[modest ginkgo]

Ah opera

Good browser, use it myself

Opera GX specifically

[calm tartan]

hey

can I ask a quick question regarding 4 of the game modes that do not have a page for them?

I was wondering why the 4 don't have their own page

[wide bay]

[digital helm]

I assume you're talking about the challenges? That's simply because no one has created one yet (which anyone can do).
It's a community run wiki. So if no one within the community creates the page, there is no page.

[calm tartan]

Ah, well, time to contribute

[calm tartan]

Neither do I but I shall do somrthing

[frail fossil]

[orchid widget]

i found a bug?

on plank page for wiki, u can see the there is only 1 thing listed for what the planks can be crafted into

but when u look at another page like wooden crate

planks shows up.. ?

[thorny pike]

Those are the recipes u can see in crafting menu

[thorny pike]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafting/Carpentry

I guess the reason why the whole carpentry list isnt in the Plank page is because there are way too many buildings/there are already pages for it

[orchid widget]

they did this with nails lol

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nails

[thorny pike]

Well thats weird

Thanks, ill probably edit Plank when i get back home or someone else can do it

[orchid widget]

ty, i love crafting so having to go through many links just to find that certain one is a bit tiresome at times lol

[frail fossil]

is there a page for the specific mods? like say Ravencreek page?

[elder estuary]

I do not believe so. I think hydrocraft is an exception (probably because the mod is so old). I haven't seen a hydrocraft page updated in a long time, though.

[thorny pike]

srry for being so damn late, but i have already edited the plank page 😃

[frail fossil]

Is there a template for mods? I don't want to add confusion to the wiki by adding page

[orchid widget]

looks good! appreciate it 😄

[digital helm]

Mods aren't something that the wiki has ever really included. So there's no template.
I just ask that you include this at the top of the page:

{{Notice|Mod}}```
Ideally the mod would stick to being on a single page. 

You can also take a look at the Hydrocraft page someone created a couple of years ago https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Hydrocraft

[frail fossil]

Thank

[frail fossil]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Greenfire

[frail fossil]

The navbar to go with it

[frail fossil]

@digital helm
Let say I want to add recipe from mods. I don't want to fill up the 999 space for each categories, since mods have ton of recipe. I can repeat the first digit of the categories...
Legacy : Carpentry (Index: 1000-1999)
Mods: Carpentry (Index: 11000-11999)
I have no idea if that will impact the wiki system.

[digital helm]

no, don't put mod recipes into that system. Just create it manually on the page you want to use it, as it'd only be used on one page anyway.

[frail fossil]

oh?

I can do it on the page it self?

And I will be able to do this?

[digital helm]

yeah, the lookup is just a way to update any recipe changes on a single page.

[frail fossil]

I will check it out, thank

[frail fossil]

but Vaileasys is right, the mod recipe, will only be on 1 page anyway.

[frail fossil]

Not as good as I want it to be.

[frail fossil]

Someone should check these out as it's the first time I'm editing a wiki and it's probably fucked in some way.
Made edits to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skills#Combat - now it has the information for what the weapon skills actually do. Surprisingly, the maintenance skill doesn't work how most people think it works. Also weapons directly affect the chance of getting injured which I don't think anyone actually knew.
Also edited https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits Thin-Skinned/Thick-Skinned. I went through the source and realized it's even more bugged than previously thought - both traits do literally nothing - they each multiply the chance of not-getting-hit by 1.

[thorny pike]

great! nothing is broken and thanks for adding more information to the wiki

[frail fossil]

ah damn so simple.

I was using the wrong page as a template. Thank

wait

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metal_Sheet

That one got the "+"

[thorny pike]

is there a way to see how much the poultices boosts healing?

[dusky verge]

Hi, I've updated the repo to https://github.com/patrix87/PowerShellGSM/ as it now supports many games.

[hardy flume]

Noticed in-game that lights (lamps, outdoor lighting, and switches) all seem to consume gas now. The info panel shows a 0.002L/h increase for each additional light. This WOULD be a negligible impact, but it seems that it actually increases the consumption of ALL lights by 0.002L/h with each new light. So with one light, you get 0.002L/h. With two, each light now consumes 0.004L/h, for a total of 0.008. At five, each light consumes 0.01, for a total of 0.05. At twenty, each light consumes a whopping 0.04L/h, for a total of 0.8L/h, a bit more than three refrigerators.

I have no idea how this converts into percentages, however. The info panel uses liters, but I'm unsure what the capacity of the generator is. It takes 1.25 gas cans to fill, but that leaves the question of what the capacity of the gas cans is.

[polar verge]

Anyone know the current mechanics of panic? Especially the panic reduction as the apoclypse goes on?

[frail fossil]

2 month after, the panic drop, but that all I know.

[night berry]

i thought it was kinda messed up how the wiki is kinda bad atm so i want to start helping. i figure out how to read the script files and i made a page for the Fanny Pack item as practice. itd be cool if someone could look at it and give me feedback

[tulip kiln]

Sorry for late reply, yeah it looks cool

[toxic vault]

Afaik panic reduces by 20% every 150 days

[hard stag]

makes sense

[tepid flame]

does it ever go down to veteran levels or is there allways some panic left

[thorny pike]

your character will panic no matter how long they've survived (unless they have veteran trait, but they still get panic from nightmares)

[tepid flame]

the last one sounds like an oversight... or maybe its just emulating PTSD i guess

[gaunt sail]

panic is reduced by 25% every 30 days irc capping out at 5 months i believe
You can either take the lion trait and reduce it by 70% from the start
or veteran proffession to remove it entirely

[wanton echo]

If you're facing a horde of zombies, im pretty sure you'll still have some panic.

[gaunt sail]

mhm...

angorophobic + adrenaline xd

[mighty rover]

!mpwhen

[clever crypt]

Spiffo

MP WHEN?

Please read this:

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2021/06/mp-status-update/

The most important bit of it:

We have long shied away from giving any form of ETA, but in the interest of ensuring we are not stringing anyone along with vague notions of a timescale Thursdoid after Thursdoid, we have agreed with our MP team that anything up to six months should be the ballpark we’re now aiming for when it comes to getting a Build 41 MP release into player hands to a level of quality we’ll be confident it won’t blow up in everyone’s faces.

[hasty ginkgo]

“The best method of finding a wood axe...”
-the page on the experimental machete.

[tulip kiln]

Cheers, fixed it.

[cedar quiver]

I see inaccuracies on the wiki (tin can distribution, watering can cookable) but before I make changes I wanna check that the wiki should reflect the most current data in build 41 as opposed to the older build

[prisma dune]

@cedar quiverSince no one told you for some reason, the answer is yes the wiki is getting updated to build 41

[leaden cobalt]

No?

[calm tartan]

Why do I not have permission to create a new page?

I want to add a page for the challenges but it just says: no

Edit: I wasn't logged in somehow

Time to suffer whilst making game modes better hopefully

[fair juniper]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2644480496

The info here could be put in the weapons page on the wiki

[thorny pike]

really good guide, also found some more extra information about how moodles and traits affects trip chance from searching those files

[young patrol]

@fair juniper awesome ❤️

[languid osprey]

Is there a page with the best skill combos in the game?

[fallen wren]

idk whats happened but i checked the wiki and main page is broken rn

[fallen wren]

nvm its fixed now, looks like its just down for a bit