pzwiki_editing

[flint vapor]

So IDs for some traits might be missing ?

[proud cobalt]

I think that'd be a great idea to provide a framework for mods to be able to link to their wiki. They just have to go through the steam community link unfortunately

[proud cobalt]

Oh i understand what's happened. The ID for Fast Metabolism is WeightLoss which is a banned term on the wiki for spam

@digital helm @languid kayak Can you guys override the spam filter or we'll have to let Kirrus know

[flat sun]

do any mods actually have wikis though? 😅

i've never seen it

[digital helm]

We'll have to send to Kirrus :/

I like the idea

[flint vapor]

Nop

[languid kayak]

This one was on my mind, but both seems a good idea?

Now that you brought the latter, maybe having a "Wiki That!" button in this or vehicle mainteneance isn't such a bad idea too?

sure, but you'd have to link to their wiki, since none are hosted. I even through of linking to mod project pages, but that'd be so cherry-picked so yeah.

As you know, I wasn't opposing using PZwiki to host mods, but we all remember excluding weapon tables from brita's mod, the only mod was hydrocraft and in poor shape 😄

[languid kayak]

I think some might utlize GitHub wiki functionality? But even is so, very sparesely

[rotund echo]

why is "WeightLoss" out of all words banned on the wiki?

[proud cobalt]

Scams

[rotund echo]

Scamming, like people running some fake promotion for their weight loss product or something?

[proud cobalt]

Just automated spam bots. Weight loss / Crypto / Gambling are the most common types

[rotund echo]

ohh lmao

[flint vapor]

Idk about that UI, I'd have to check out if there's place. Could just lead to the main animal page too

(Meant to respond to the one above)

[lime gazelle]

The B41 bug that caused moodles/traits to reduce weapon damage, intended only for melee attacks, has was fixed (B42.0.0). Character pain, weight traits, panic level, stress level, or any other character moodle no longer affect base ranged weapon damage.

[naive rock]

It also doesn't affect melee damage anymore either- is that intentional?

[lime gazelle]

As far as I am aware, none of the melee calculations were affected by the ranged weapon fix....nor do I recall any design discussions concerning updating melee damage calculations.

If you suspect a bug where melee weapons are not being influenced by moodles, please submit a detailed bug report in the Project Zomboid → Bug Reports forum on The Indie Stone website:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

[naive rock]

will do

[hard knoll]

mhh small question on pzwiki 41 vs 42 coverage, whats the strategy there? Some pages represent the 41 state others track 42 🙂 cheers!

[flint vapor]

Pages are getting updated to B42

And there's old ref to the B41 past versions

[hard knoll]

So like sections per page, one for older, one for new version?

[proud cobalt]

We are making our way through all 12,000 B41 articles and updating them to B42 + adding new articles for B42 related game mechanics

[flint vapor]

No B41 pages get replaced with B42

And old page versions for B41 get linked at the top of the B42 pages when present

[hard knoll]

So its not like there will be a date where everything gets flipped but we replace gradually. Thinking of pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit where there is now the clothing.xml in b42 etc.
e.g. If I wanted to help and make an updated revision for build 42 that would be a welcomed thing and not something that disrupts 🙂 thats my question basically

[proud cobalt]

No it wouldn't be possible to do something like that.

The outfits page specifically we have some scripts to help with but they havnt been updated to B42 yet so yes it would be helpful.
We had clothing.xml before too, that's the file we parsed to make this page

[hard knoll]

Cool. Not saying that would be even desirable to "flip". And it mentions the Outfits.xml thats just what I stumbled over.

So if I wanted to help, other than consulting https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners I do need an account with mediawiki? some other onboarding or permissions to request from someone?

edit: nevermind, I see the signup

[proud cobalt]

Just an account on PZwiki, feel free to ask for help here too

[quartz bear]

Java

[lucid junco]

@proud cobalt huh

sometimes the layering gets quite wonky

[night spruce]

Help

Hi, I think I’ve encountered a bug in Build 42.12.
While testing the garage area, I accidentally walked inside a chicken hutch and now my character is stuck inside. I can’t move out, dismantle, or climb over it, and relogging doesn’t help.

Is this a known glitch? Is there any workaround to get unstuck without removing the whole save file?

[proud cobalt]

Wrong channel but

!bugreport

[olive ridge]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

Please be sure to follow our Bug Reporting Guide to ensure the team receive all necessary information to investigate your issue. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-bug-reporting-guide-updated-05082025/

[night spruce]

I got stuck inside the hutch, but I managed to solve it using the -debug command. Teleport worked perfectly.

[proud cobalt]

Ok historytable is now updated to the new collapsible style, and can now be used directly in a togglebox. This will make multi-ID pages better and help us consolidate articles. I believe it was the last major template blocking this.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:HistoryTable#Usage

Articles with 2 or more history tables should now go into a togglebox

Actually it's probably ok up to 3 or so

[digital helm]

That's much cleaner

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520>s, Find my write up on the results of the PZwiki survey here
https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/qKvD3SCwex

Remove this ping in id:customize

[flint vapor]

What's a read only replica ?

[proud cobalt]

A clone of the wiki that cant be edited

[flint vapor]

Why would we even do that ?

This is going to duplicate information and create information clashes

I especially do not want to see that in action for modding which is a constantly growing resource

So I'm very curious what the intention here is

[blazing cloak]

Reload in debug and delete the object

[proud cobalt]

2 Websites. The wiki begins updating to B43 as soon as unstable releases. The cloned website is an exact copy of the wiki the day before B43 releases. People staying on B42 can use the B42 website without the issues that have come of the current method (particularly templates). It's read only, and on a different domain (e.g. b42.pzwiki.net), means no maintenance burden for us, and people dont have to complain about us updating the wiki

Wouldn't effect editors at all

[flint vapor]

Aaah for game releases ok I see

[past glacier]

Great work!

[past glacier]

Smart thinking!

[quartz bear]

So a mirror

[restive adder]

Technically, I'm not sure if it's feasible. Still having trouble creating a clone for testing/update purposes, mediawiki really really doesn't want to operate on any other domain than the main one

[quartz bear]

Mediawiki: the king of hardcoding and legacy code

Surprised it doesn't run on COBOL for what it's worth

[quartz bear]

Miraheze figured it out somehow

e.g. https://2b2t.miraheze.org/

[proud cobalt]

Something to find out in the future. The main goal is that we have more time to plan for the next one. We were hardly at B41 this time

[languid kayak]

I guess figuring that out for testing would pave a good base for the future B43, but yeah, we have time, as it's still B42 being unstable at this moment with long time to B43 🙂

[rotund echo]

Guys, when I was listening to Zomboid radio brainrot, it seems the West Point Gun Range & Hunting Center advertisement was changed to be for Irvington Gun Club

[lucid junco]

ive pointed it out a while ago

like it was in 42.8 or something

[rotund echo]

That's like when the old WP gun shop became Stendo's right?

[lucid junco]

No, it was before that iirc

[snow rivet]

I could be just making this up, but I'm pretty sure that change was in 42.5

[languid kayak]

42.5.0 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42.5.0

[proud cobalt]

Someone had fun writing the item lists for barns

[ruby parrot]

garage doors, do they ever have keys?

slide doors

[proud cobalt]

General questions are better asked in #pz_b42_chat

[ruby parrot]

woops, i know better than that, just put my question in wrong place

[quartz bear]

Does the wiki document if garage doors ever have keys is the real question here....

[primal remnant]

maybe the true garage door keys were the friends we made along the way ... /joke

[languid kayak]

Isn't it that if the garage is the same building, the general key works? Not sure, but I think it was like that?

[quartz bear]

But is it documented...

[lucid junco]

Users should be able to understand that keys work on all types of doors

Right?

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-ifitworks-forthebetter-right-anakin-gif-24444626

Ah yes

soda

https://tenor.com/view/soda-gif-8026056502744469335

@naive imp thats why you have to manually check every building before writing about it

I think Ill gather one large report on every wrong building loot

soon™

[naive imp]

Where is this location at

Just out of curiosity

[lucid junco]

https://b42map.com/#15376x3255x0

But like

its most of the buildings and facilities that were added

in b42

did you know that airport has no loot?

My fucking game crashed

this laptop sucks

hang on

[naive imp]

Ah yes, alienware

[naive imp]

And no I did not know that

Ngl got a Lil burnt out, on a hiatus atm

I wonder when they'll fix it or if they have more important stuff to work on atm

Im thinking the latter for now

[lucid junco]

No, its nitro 3

acer predator

[naive imp]

Oh did you get rid of the Alienware one

[lucid junco]

got downgraded because i aint hauling that beast to another country

[naive imp]

I have a nitro 5 myself runs the game fine

[lucid junco]

Ive left it for now

shit would only fit in a baggage

technically i would be allowed to move it like that, since it has no battery

but I need at least semi working off battery laptop

so brought refurbished nitro 3 from sister

only 12 gb of ram

[naive imp]

I have an old Chromebook I got for school a while ago thats my mobile rig

But I dont do much other than browser based stuff off it yeah

[naive imp]

I was gonna upgrade my ram but corporate decided to FIRE me so yeah

Im at 16 I wanted 32gb

[lucid junco]

i wanted to shift ram from alienware to this one

had 24 on alienware

[naive imp]

You didn't take the sticks out before you left? Or was motherboard incompatible

[lucid junco]

just putted off removing ram till it was too late

12 was also not stock, I had upgraded alienware with 16 gig stick, putting 4 gig one it had into this laptop

ill try to do it once i visit homeland on christmas again

so anyway

[lucid junco]

You'd think it had something interesting in contraband loot

[naive imp]

Smuggling planes

Idk

[lucid junco]

but nope

[naive imp]

They'll probably expand it later

[lucid junco]

i mean, knives, batteries, guns

tools, shanks

or something

but nope

its all metal_shelves

[naive imp]

Would be neat if there was like a prisoner escape plan where there was like a getaway plane or smth

[lucid junco]

In fact it is the only loot in the airport

i guess its better than no loot

and thats basically the same for almost every factory in the game

which frankly who cares but us, nerds

[quartz bear]

What the programmrs and designers think

(never works out)

[languid kayak]

is it reported? If so, it probably should. They also look for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_with_known_bugs but I didn't check them up to 42.12.0/1 yet (I think all the ones with dupe entries should be fixed in 42.12.0)

[languid kayak]

It's win11?

[lucid junco]

win 10

i aint moving from it

[languid kayak]

||coughLinuxcough||

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-eustace-gif-25666144

Maybe linux

[languid kayak]

is it intel IGPU btw? Also swap would probably help if the ram is an issue? Especially if it's running of semi-fast nvme

[lucid junco]

but later in line some time

[lucid junco]

its 7th gen i5

with gtx 1050

[languid kayak]

PZ is OpenGL and I know intel had issues with OpenGL... Though they also said that AMD had issues too 🤔

ah, so nvidia then

so I guess drivers aren't the issues then

[lucid junco]

yeah, no

it crashes when i teleport at base pop

so likely dedicated wam issue

[languid kayak]

lot of 3D objects on ground?

I disabled them as it was crashing for me too

[lucid junco]

@thin cloud Im curious, is Citr-8 Wave a brand of soft drink(that doesnt exist yet), or soft drink manufacturer?

Something like Coca cola, that both produces drinks with the same name, but also has Fanta, Piko and such

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Citr-8_Wave

Updated

[thin cloud]

Think I retroactively made it the Orange Soda in lore but not reflected anywhere (not even the bottles)

[flint vapor]

I need to find a proper way of tracking things that were tested, with version markers of when this was tested

The talk page might be enough tho I'm not familiar with those, and it wouldn't really be about talking I guess but more of providing a list of things tested ?

I think a mbox would be fitting, similar to the bug box mbox I had made

What would be the proper way to handle this in the wiki ?

And if in a talk discussion, can we link specific "messages" from the talk discussion to serve as a marker of things tested, which I can easily link on the page ?

Maybe the mbox itself should be the tracker

So you can collapse it, and have most recent updated checks, maybe old checks too

[proud cobalt]

The talk page is usually the place for adding infromation used to verify. You can then add a reference to the article which links to the talk page. The same way you'd reference external sources

[digital helm]

Talk pages are very similar to normal pages. You can link to sections just the same, or even use the id html attribute if you don't want a section

[flint vapor]

But do you have examples of this being used this way ?

[digital helm]

For links it's just, e.g., [[Talk:Moodle#Anxiety|Anxiety]]
To use id, it's just something like <span id="example">This is an example</span> then link to it as if it were a section [[Talk:Page#example|example link]]

id may be best to be part of a template. But if used in the talk page, doesn't really matter

[languid kayak]

I'd think mbox would be more fitting indeed

[proud cobalt]

I'm looking to start re-merging items now that history has been updated. Items should be on the page they are named as without good reason otherwise. Crafting and loot will be updated once more pages have been merged, so for a short time they will only show crafting and loot for the first item_id in the infobox.

[languid kayak]

Verifying stuff listed in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_to_be_split and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_to_be_merged would be a good start

[proud cobalt]

Ahh i made my own list of articles that need merging based off of item names

Will do those first and see what is left

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I just left this off as I wasn't sure what is the rule of merging and not 😄

Didn't want to waste my time dealing with them, but left the ones I thought may be sane, but I left them to your judgement (item wise)

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt it seems there's a bunch of items that incorrectly got "Food" section, it's just they weren't picked up 🤔

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Belly_Button_Stud_-_Silver_with_Diamond#Usage

[languid kayak]

I'm updating https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Editing_for_beginners now, do you think listing difficulities (Easy and Medium for creating a page) is of any value? Pretty much all is "Easy" and the only thing we label as "Medium" is said (twice) that it's labeled medium only because reasons. I think it may only add more noise needlessly

[dense veldt]

How do crit chances work? Like let's take the crowbar with a 20% crit chance, if I max out long blunt for a 30% crit chance increase, is it additive with the 20% to make 50%? Or something else? Does the -5.2% crit chance from extreme panic also work this way?

[proud cobalt]

I ran a search, looks like there were 4 more. Must have accidently clicked a wrong button when i was doing usage, from the looks of it the clothing button must have been pretty close to the food button lol. Should be all fixed now

[proud cobalt]

I think remove them, only serves to scare off new users

[proud cobalt]

General questions are better asked in #pz_b42_chat or #pz_b41_chat based on your game version

[proud cobalt]

@naive imp heads up when you add new uses of TT to a template you have to add the new arg1 to the translation list, and to the language subpages or it'll cause a bunch of errors.

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_locations&diff=prev&oldid=1222275

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_locations/tr&diff=prev&oldid=1222271

[digital helm]

Yeah, best to not add it unless you do. Especially if it's a WIP. More info here #pzwiki_editing message

[digital helm]

Yes, happy to remove

[flint vapor]

Hmm trying to improve the styling of the infobox for modding projects so it fits the rest of the wiki
But the template Infobox/socials I had made doesn't properly adjust to not be of the color blue

Preferably it should be like Infobox/row

I suppose there's no better way to handle that ?

Bcs editing this shit is not going to be fun 💀

[flint vapor]

Ok nice figured it out

Was using the infobox-section class for those

[digital helm]

That'd do it 😄

[flint vapor]

Yea I changed it to a custom one which has the same styling

Just without the whole background thing, so now it has same font size, bold, and center

[digital helm]

Very nice

[flint vapor]

So I'm going to work on video guides for PZ modding
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_structure#Video_guide

I found a logic problem in the Page version template

If there's a B41 version of the page, it stays uncollapsed and doesn't show that a B41 version exists

Also I was just thinking, can we not completely change the style of showing the info by just having a massive big button for the B41 version like on the right side of the template or something like that ?

Or directly under the icon for the mbox

Because it has been clear from the start that our problem with showing the B41 version is that it is not visible
Then fuck it, go around it and completely change the whole styling the template ? Instead of trying to follow the style of the mbox with icon then text explaining stuff, just add a massive button to it

idk something like that

[placid radish]

Ok so I was checking the wiki and got a question about a certain page

It says awl, does this mean you can use twine to make thread?

Asking for wilderness run

[proud cobalt]

An Awl is a tool
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Awl_(tag)

[placid radish]

No yes duh but I mean

Is there any other recipe for thread that doesnt include whats on the wiki?

Also I'm not sure why but theres no level "none" of carving here

[proud cobalt]

No. these are the three recipes with thread as the output

[placid radish]

But I couldve sworn there were stuff with requirement carving: none

Oh wait what I cant filter none on it

Huh strange nvm

[proud cobalt]

I updated the skill page list, and you can now sort so that none shows. These are the recipes that give carving xp but dont require skills

[placid radish]

tysm ❤️

thats gonna save alot of my time on my wilderness runs

[proud cobalt]

Np
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Carving#Crafting

[placid radish]

Btw can you still forage that "the wilderness" thing?

Lemme show wait

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Magazine:_Wilderness_Survival

Is this still possible to obtain with foraging?

[proud cobalt]

https://puu.sh/KCobq.png

Yes

[placid radish]

Aight also is it true that using focus "trash" can increase those odds?

[proud cobalt]

General questions are better asked in #pz_b42_chat

[placid radish]

Ye I asked there but I ask here cuz I looked at wiki and it didnt explain what the focuses increases odds specifically

They said it should because magazines count as junk thus count as trash

[proud cobalt]

that's probably the answer than, this channel is more for discussion changes on the wiki itself

[placid radish]

Aight ill let you know if I run into unedited pages that I prob need and ill give the info I know

But thatll be in like 6 hours if my friend isnt playing

But still ty for the help

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to add it yourself we would appreciate it, most of us have projects and focuses we're already working on so wont get to anything new any time soon. We have help guides to get you started and can help with questions about editing.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[placid radish]

Nah I'm good I already got a wiki I'm working on with a team 😭

[placid radish]

Yo, can this be updated

Real

[digital helm]

There are magazines in the trash focus category https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trash_(foraging)
The focus increases the chance to find items in each of these foraging categories

[placid radish]

WAIT THERES A SECTION FOR THIS?

😮

Tysm bro

[digital helm]

It's at the top of the foraging page 😆

Not all of them can be focused, and are 'hidden' categories

[digital helm]

Not sure what you mean here

[placid radish]

Well how do you obtain it

[proud cobalt]

Someone has to find out and add it

[placid radish]

...isnt it from crushing rocks?

Also like something to do with "it doesnt naturally spawn except if you spawn it in?"

[digital helm]

There's a lot of pages like that. We rely on people adding it when they find out

[gaunt tide]

hello i organized a table for the foraging zones. there are so many types of forest now i thought it would be handy to know how rare what type of item is in each one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lk8wImzMfKvzl7LrhoIFdy2uJ-gli3qFwi5JeXkIUL8/edit?usp=sharing

i was foraging and i got curious about the differences in the zones so i poped on debug mode and teleported around on another file, took screenies and went from there

[languid kayak]

Github
😄

[sturdy tangle]

What do these tables mean?

[placid radish]

Trash on road is common? 😮

[sturdy tangle]

Now I’m looking at Hemp Dogbane, which has foraging information that I think I can interpret. It’s not all clear, though.

Amount is self-explanatory (how many do you find when you find it?)
Skill level (maybe the Foraging level you need to find it?)
Biome: chance (something to do with relative chance to find it in relation to different biomes but the numbers are inscrutable)
Weather modifiers (reductions by… percentage? Other?)
Available (no idea)
Month bonus, malus (a positive or negative modifier but how much?)

[flint vapor]

Ups

[proud cobalt]

What numbers do you use for each category? E.g. what is 'rare' vs 'extremely rare' vs 'normal'

[gaunt tide]

No numbers these are the values you are told in the foraging menu when u mouse over it

[proud cobalt]

Skill level for foraging
Chance is a made up number by the game, that's the hardest part to convey
Weather modifiers are percent they have a percent symbol
Available is under the months header, it is the months you can forage for it
I'll add some flavour text to the foraging section

[proud cobalt]

Oh we have the numbers but not sure how that game interperates the numbers into that

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mushrooms_(foraging)

[gaunt tide]

oh interesting

they are all 15 tho

so if the numbers are this then the text could be inaccurate

or misleading

[proud cobalt]

https://puu.sh/KCpXM.png

[gaunt tide]

ah i was looking at the wrong spot sorry

[proud cobalt]

The numbers for the category are different to the individual items, i'm not sure how that works. @digital helm might know more

[gaunt tide]

im glad u linked this, i made this sheet cause i couldnt find information about the new foraging zones

i wanted to quickly see the differences between them at a glance

(nerd reasons)

[proud cobalt]

Vail made all the foraging category pages, it lists what can be found for each section, can navigate between sections using the navbar at the top

[gaunt tide]

thats really sick thank you for sharing

if i gather and organize any more things ill be sure to share here. i have fun doing it

[proud cobalt]

That would be good, the main foraging page still needs complete updating to B42, so if you're a bit of an expert (or nerd) in foraging we'd appreciate if you looked at updating it too. We can help you with the technical side of actually editing

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging

[gaunt tide]

alrighty i keep my eyes peeled as i play and try to compare what i find to this page and see if anything has changed

[sturdy tangle]

More flavour text—or just explanatory text—would be awesome. I think part of the issue is that I was looking at a lot of trash/rare items and they all seemed to be the same, with nothing in most of the columns and 1 after every biome. I couldn’t tell if that was just the default template or actual data.

[quartz bear]

What's acidic forest

[proud cobalt]

<@&671452400221159444>

[proud cobalt]

A biome

[quartz bear]

yeah but what about it

is it special

[quartz bear]

🤨

[proud cobalt]

Idk, it exists

Lol

[digital helm]

just another biome for foraging drops

[quartz bear]

sad

it sounded cool

[digital helm]

me too when I first read it

[digital helm]

There just for 2 different points in the logic. First the category is chosen at random, then the item is chosen at random.

[placid radish]

Are these linked to the main foraging page btw?

Cuz I didnt see them there or I'm blind

[proud cobalt]

Yes at the top

[proud cobalt]

@flint vapor The page dictionary has been updated, there's been some significant changes so might be worth a bump to the mod.

Changes in what item ids are on what page, i should add

[placid radish]

Tysm

[flint vapor]

Alright

I'll do that

I'm looking into the moodle support, it's not easy

[quartz bear]

Are mods limited to Lua

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[proud cobalt]

Technically no, practically yes

[flint vapor]

I mean that's straight up wrong....

There's scripts, XML for animations

[proud cobalt]

That's fair, i was thinking more about lua/java. I thought it was pretty clear that those were available

[quartz bear]

Yeah my question was Java

Using it would make it easier

[proud cobalt]

Every java mod i've seen has required copying and overwriting the class files manually, as opposed to one click install from steam workshop. I have used one before to modify the game camera though

[flint vapor]

Requires manual install

See the Java page

There's a few cases of mods where you don't need manual install

There's a NPC mod which needs you to modify a bit more things so you receive auto updates

Basically makes the game load its Java files

There's Leaf, a project that now is a bit paused

And there's also Puzzle that I need to make a wiki page for, and actually learn what it is about

[quartz bear]

Java agents

A unified mod loader

ASM (or mixins if you're schizo)

It's possible... But maybe not that demanded

[digital helm]

Java mods have historically not been supported by mods. But maybe things have changed? Most support is Lua

Mods, I mean Devs *

[flint vapor]

Mixing is used for Leaf

[flint vapor]

It's mostly a question of creating a proper Java mod manager

That's why Leaf was promissing

But sadly it's a solo dev, who is less and less interested in PZ

[quartz bear]

Me and pzwiki

I'll always take pride in ReLookup even if it was slop

Good thing half the wiki is automated now

I hate manual labor, I'd rather automate something again 💔

[placid radish]

Btw I think in build 41 this is fasle

false*

Cuz I'm getting 13xp every pushup

No xp boost btw

Or actually it ranges between 13xp and 6xp

[flint vapor]

The page is for B42 ?

[languid kayak]

Actually not really, it wasn't really updated since b41 too

[languid kayak]

Was about to catalogue the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:St_peregrin_heatofthenight.png – do we have any category for these @digital helm?

[digital helm]

I don't think we do. I think we held off on uploading any of the loading screens

[languid kayak]

I briefly remember that, yeah. OTOH I think they still provice some possible lore info, even if won't be used any longer? This one for example was used in blogs and I think it's still there?

[digital helm]

I agree. Worth documenting them. Things were just a bit heated back then 😅

[rotund echo]

Hey I uploaded that

[languid kayak]

yup 🙂

[flint vapor]

Moodles !!!

God damn that one was annoying

[languid kayak]

nice! Can you make it so each moodle stage goes to #Section automatically?

[flint vapor]

Maybe I'll check it out later

[flint vapor]

Meanwhile had time to do that

ignore the out of shape one bugging, I think it's because there's spaces in the name 💀

[languid kayak]

neat!

[proud cobalt]

Both are really nice, I'll definitely be using them

[proud cobalt]

Working on outfits, they're gonna be a little messed up while i sort it out

[digital helm]

Really nice work with both!

[flint vapor]

Missing ID for Fast Metabolism:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fast_Metabolism

I'll add it

??????????????????????????????????????????????

@languid kayak @proud cobalt @digital helm

[languid kayak]

WeightLoss

[digital helm]

It's in the spam filter #pzwiki_editing message I'll send to Kirrus now

[languid kayak]

I think admins can bypass filter? I'll check

[flint vapor]

Completely forgot we had already talked about that

[digital helm]

I think we missed passing it along too

[languid kayak]

nah, it's the same even for us admins, so yeah, Kirrus has to do that

[proud cobalt]

Would you be able to do this still? I'm up to the screenshots part. I can handle all the editing / cleanup

Also surely this background can be changed to a solid colour for chroma keying

[flint vapor]

I can try to look into it yea

[proud cobalt]

That would be a big help thanks. I know this mod made changes to the outfit screen so might be a good reference. B41 though
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2020740322&searchtext=fashion

[flint vapor]

ew

Yea don't worry I already know how most of these work or how it's handled

But basically you have a UI element where you give character informations and it renders the character in specific ways

You can do a looooot of stuff with this pannel

And either way, I know where to look for to learn how to use that

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good

All i need is it to go through all the default outfits and take a screenshot as large as possible. Preferrably with a solid background

Oh and if it could save with the name of the outfit, that would be even better

[flint vapor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3567109091
1.5.0
Added:

• Moodles support: right click a moodle on the HUD to open a context menu to access wiki pages of moodles
• Ability to right click traits in the in-game character menu

Updated:

• Pages dictionary (page indexes, new pages, moved pages etc.)
• Complete reorganization of the files. This means old files will still be present in your installation, but I support it by making those old files empty. In the future, I will remove those old files completely, going with the supposition that everyone updated to the new version. Preferably, do a fresh install of the mod.
• Improved context menu system to use a custom context menu class, should make it easier to render fresh custom context menus

Fixed:

• Tile and crop text in the Wiki That tooltip
• Removed cache system for WikiElement as it was causing issues and was not really needed

[proud cobalt]

@naive imp You'll be happy to know
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Game_Pieces

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520> New update to Wiki That! with moodle support. Check it out #pzwiki_editing message

Remove this ping in id:customize

[rigid ledge]

wait, those things are called moodles and not moodlets?
learn somethin new everyday, here I was sitting thinking how a zomboid mod could support a learning managment system

[flat sun]

by the way, you can safely remove old files by just moving to a later version folder: i recommend doing this because even the empty files will cause checksum mismatch if you remove them

[quartz ether]

im glad the wiki is being paid attention to. It's extremely outdated in so many ways and lack details

[serene sage]

it's been as expansive and accurate as ever for a long while

[quartz ether]

I wish it was and yeah im glad they're working on it 🫶

[proud cobalt]

Wikis are a community effort, if you see something incorrect, fix it

[naive imp]

AFTER ALL THIS TIME

FINALLY

Lmao

Thanks for all the work you do to items @proud cobalt

Seriously

[proud cobalt]

And you for locations

[naive imp]

@lucid junco for that too

I've been on a hiatus lately, just kinda burned out a bit

But I plan to be back either this week or the next

[serene sage]

oof I wish I could say when I'm back on the wiki

I'm like

sinking in coursework and stuff

[proud cobalt]

Dw the zombies article will be waiting for you when you get back.
Focus on your coursework though

[serene sage]

not only that but the randomized stories too

but yeah coursework first

[proud cobalt]

Lots of new links to random stories with the outfits being done

[flint vapor]

That's smart

That's a good idea

[proud cobalt]

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[digital helm]

The little toggle arrow (seen on mboxes and infoboxes) changed to a chevron rather than ◥ to better match the rest of the wiki.
Please let me know if any graphical weirdness

[proud cobalt]

Looks good

[hazy spindle]

.

[proud cobalt]

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[rotund echo]

I'm remaking the deleted Doe Valley Forest page, this time with more info/content

I think numerous POIs listed under "Doe Valley" should be broken off into "Doe Valley Forest"

Like the KY-60 gun store, Mad Dan Den, Meadshire, Coalfield, Deerhead Lake

Personally my own definition of the western side of "Doe Valley" is where the farmlands, plains, and grasslands stop and become forests

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Doe_Valley_Forest

[rotund echo]

Oh yeah, also redone Doe Valley Lake https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Doe_Valley_Lake

[quartz bear]

haha I would do it

but I would patch a lua file or a class file instead of making a mod

[flint vapor]

Making a mod means we can easily change anything. We can do it with mods

[quartz bear]

which is exactly why im not gonna do it

patching is so much more fun

no boilerplate required

pure skill

that reminds me I should download the game onto my laptop

[flint vapor]

Yea but you can't share it then lmao

[flint vapor]

You still need it right ?

I'm going to look into it

[ruby parrot]

oh whoa

new patch

it does look small though

[flint vapor]

That idiot is still not banned ?

I'm impressed

[flint vapor]

Ok that's amazing, I can take screenshots and name them with specific filenames

So you just have to give me a filename pattern that you want to use, which will hold the outfit name, and also maybe male or female in the name too, and I can output you in-game screenshots of such a character UI with the files named as you need

I'm going to look into that UI element to try to have a proper UI for the screenshots

But this means with a simple python script we can cut the images around the character, for every screenshots for every outfits

It does stutter the game a tiny bit when taking the screenshot, but nothing too impressive

Ok I guess this is the pattern you want

@proud cobalt oh boy I got really good news for you

We can literally greenscreen the fucking character LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-cook-cooking-up-american-psycho-christian-bale-cooking-gif-13777956329105100946

[flint vapor]

I have a vision

[flint vapor]

Just need to add a timer to give time to the character to properly render

Also it's very interesting that I don't even have to set the character gender in the UI model view

Wait

Omg

We can take screenshots of a specific area

nvm

[flint vapor]

Done

@proud cobalt @languid kayak @digital helm
Feel free to save that somewhere
https://github.com/SirDoggyJvla/Outfit-parser

[proud cobalt]

That's sick, ill try it out shortly

[gloomy glen]

hey I was reading the ekron page, and there are a few phrases that I think could be rewritten (i.e., "The town is bisected by a railroad that runs through the middle of town, and this railroad is protected by tall fences with barbed wire, which makes climbing them impossible. There are only two roads that cross this railroad.")

not sure if I trust my english if I'm honest, should I give it a shot? you can always reverse it after all

[flint vapor]

Go for it

[proud cobalt]

I cant get it to load in the mod picker 😄
C:\Users\calvy\Zomboid\Workshop\Outfitparser\Contents\mods\Outfit_parser\42 And it even comes up in the upload to workshop button

[flint vapor]

Create the common folder

Bcs the common folder is empty, it won't be present in the repo

[proud cobalt]

Ahh

[flint vapor]

I'll add a placeholder file for future cloning

[proud cobalt]

That did it

[flint vapor]

You can adjust the time between screenshots

I found 0.5s on my side is usually fine

Lower is probably possible too

[proud cobalt]

How do i open it and where do they save to

[flint vapor]

In case you get screenshots of the wrong outfit, it means the game didn't have time to load outfits in before the screenshot takes place

[flint vapor]

Oh yea it's X

I need to note that somewhere

Or make a keybind for it

Tho it's just a debug mod so that's fine as is

[proud cobalt]

Where do the images save to

[flint vapor]

Zomboid/Screenshots

And you need to create a subfolder in there

Called OutfitParser

I'll see if I can create a folder from Lua

[proud cobalt]

Ok working, files are output without extensions, some outfits are too tall for the window, and can we make the window as large as possible

[flint vapor]

Uh what ?

[proud cobalt]

E.g.

https://puu.sh/KCCX5.png

[flint vapor]

What resolution are you playing on ?

[proud cobalt]

1440p

[flint vapor]

Oh I need to add the file extension at the end of the filename wait

You want them in png right ?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[flint vapor]

I'll add more settings for the filename in the UI

I forgot to do that

[proud cobalt]

Then just makin the greenscreen as large as possible

[flint vapor]

The UI is the size of your resolution

I make it the current resolution size

[flint vapor]

So I don't know why it'd even do that

Or how

Bcs the coordinates are in absolute, and 0 0 is literally the top left corner and every other UI elements are placed relatively from 0 0

So unless the game does some fucked up fuckery there, the UI should literally be the same coordinates everytime

Try in 1920x1080

[proud cobalt]

This is 1080. I just want the square itself larger

[flint vapor]

Ah yes of course sure

How big do you need it ?

[proud cobalt]

However large you can get it while keeping the bottom on the screen

[flint vapor]

Alright

[proud cobalt]

Thanks, the bigger it is the better the image can be

Make PZ do the work of rendering it at that size

Ty btw

[flint vapor]

gawd damn

[proud cobalt]

Haha perfect

[flint vapor]

I'll push that

So you can test it out

And I'll add a simple text box to change the filename

Ok pushed it

Pushed filename text box entry

In case you ever need to change that

The view adjusts to your current character, for the most part

It swaps between male and female automatically (that's part of that UI element, I didn't code that in)

Tho your character might also change look in the UI

If you need more control on that, tell me

Or if you need more control on other bits

It automatically retrieves the current list of outfits, so if there's ever new outfits added in, you can run it again

[proud cobalt]

That's working great. Here's a wild idea, could you do one for item models?

[flint vapor]

I think so yea

I'm pretty sure that's possible too

[proud cobalt]

Some outfits have beards and hairstyles too, does it account for that?

[flint vapor]

No idea

Didn't knew beards and hairstyles could be applied to outfits

[proud cobalt]

For item models, would need the ability to zoom and rotate freely

[flint vapor]

So no automatic renders

And simply manual renders ?

[proud cobalt]

Automatic render would be good, but will need the ability to manually render. We can technically automatically render with Blender with @digital helm script, but it would have the same issues with rotation and zooming (I would assume)

[flint vapor]

I'll look into it in the next days

Maybe it takes into account attachment scripts

[proud cobalt]

That would be great too

[flint vapor]

And thus we can have it be properly placed like on the ground

Do you want individual manual renders for outfits ?

[digital helm]

Yeah rotating would be a necessity. Some items are on some weird angles

[proud cobalt]

Nah

[flint vapor]

Alright I'll look into that

I'm probably going to repurpose the outfit parser mod as a general Wiki in-game tools mod

That way you have every tools in a single mod

[proud cobalt]

That would be good. @languid kayak might want some QOL stuff for testing

[proud cobalt]

They look pretty good

[proud cobalt]

The green hue hue is a discord thing 😄

Pretty happy with this
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit

[digital helm]

They look so good

[proud cobalt]

It all uses the page dictionary now so naming is way less obtuse, and the list is generated off the names of the actual articles. It was a nightmare trying to auto parse the half CamelCase half not into article names.

Also distributions should support the new naming too, should update next time the bot runs

[rotund echo]

How to move pages from one category to another?

[proud cobalt]

Can change the category in the header and at the bottom of the page, if you give me an example i can show you specifically on that page

[rotund echo]

Oh wait, I figured it out, its on the bottom of the page

[digital helm]

I'll have to take a look how you're doing it, so I can make sure vehicles are updated. I used your old parser for them

[rotund echo]

I moved several locations to a new Doe Valley Forest category I made

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Doe_Valley_Forest

[proud cobalt]

Im changing skill bonuses to read the full xp gain, rather than the boost xp gain. I figure it saves a little confusion saying 100% xp gain rather than +75 xp gain

[keen terrace]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hydration_Pack links to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hydration_Pack_(camo) but the second is a blank page.

[proud cobalt]

Thanks, the camo version is now on the same page so there's no need for the link anymore. I've removed it

[keen terrace]

thank you ❤️ didnt know where to report it!

[proud cobalt]

No problem, thanks for letting us know. We've very recently merged about 600 pages so let me know if you see any more 'about' lines with red links

[lucid junco]

My P and O keys stopped working on my laptop

I can't even type project zomboid

[flint vapor]

Oof

[rotund echo]

rject Zmbid

~ sharglden

[lucid junco]

gonna have to use on screen keyboard

[lucid junco]

hmm

Can you watch tv

As a deaf illiterate

yep

thats another bug report for me

[flint vapor]

The principle of watching TV is that you can ... watch

[lucid junco]

I mean, you can watch

But you cant hear what they say

or understand what they are saying with subtitles

[flint vapor]

It really depends on the stuff

[lucid junco]

since you cant read

[flint vapor]

It would need them to implement per TV show behavior

Like watching cooking or carprentry is ok

[lucid junco]

I mean, all text can be in ???

but still gain carpentry or cooking xp

[flint vapor]

I guess

[languid kayak]

I think the premise was closed captions? I think I suggested once that only premium TVs should be able to enable them though

[languid kayak]

Sometimes header too, as Calvy said (the last word on the header dictates the category)

[languid kayak]

oh, good point, missed that

[lucid junco]

Exactly

If deaf can watch tv and vhs (though home vhs should be made unaccessible to deaf since they dont provide cc most of the time), because they have cc

Then deaf illiterate can't watch tv at all

[languid kayak]

can watch but not learn from it or comprehend the text I guess. Would probably still reduce boredom IMHO

[languid kayak]

I think I touched it briefly once when we were discussing names for moodles.

Not sure what are they named after (seems to be a variation of their ID but we also have the names on debug mode. Sadly they are not really consistent (some have "Level" in them, some are overly descriptive), but since these are more user-facing and actually a text other than ID that's not really shown, maybe we could adjust some pages to them? So far I did some redirects.

Especially since we cover Fear, Sanity and Morale which are only visible in debug

Possible renames would be

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hungry → Hunger (different than ID, but potentially easier to link too, goes well with possible Thirst rename)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Thirsty → Thirst (this one is same as ID, and easier to link to)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tired → Fatigue
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Drunk → Drunkenness (though it'd be harder to link)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Angry → Anger
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stressed → Stress (easier to link to as well, and closer to the ID)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bored → Boredom (a little harder to link though)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Unhappy → Unhappiness (harder to link though and in debug it's erroneously called Unhappyness)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wet → Wetness (harder to link)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sick → Sickness (ditto)

Also @flint vapor would it be possible to link to moodle pages from the general debugger menu? Though it's an edge case so maybe it's best to be skipped?

[flint vapor]

Yeaaa I'm probably not doing that lol, this sounds unecessary

[languid kayak]

(link for Wiki That! that is :D)

[flint vapor]

Who would even bother using that ?

People who active the debug menu, who should already have the knowledge to navigate those moodles in the first place I'd say

The mod is more aimed at the general user, if a general user even find this moodle menu it's a freaking miracle LMAO

The debug menu are particularly annoying to navigate and find what you're looking for haha

Ooook that item 3D rendering might prove itself to be an interesting challenge

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I think this would be bumped to 42.12.1 (42.12.2 now kinda)? Also for some reason it made the headers lowercase (low priority really, but something to possible note). I suppose it was a dict upgrade after merges? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Item_list&diff=

I added animals and vehicles to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance as a late follow-up to our brief discussion, but I think this one could still changed to (B42 items) to be more clear I guess?

Some temple loops btw: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_template_loops – didn't see what could be the cause yet

@proud cobalt following the recent merges of item pages, should these two be split or not anymore?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hockey_Goalie_Shinpad
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soft_Shin_Pad

If the latter, we could remove the notice

[flint vapor]

Ok that's a start

Now to dig through literally hundreds of possible functions, and find the ones I need to control the view

[flint vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/activation-neutron-think-brain-monkey-gif-1683241036589818476

[flint vapor]

Alright I got this for now @proud cobalt
I got a weird inverted normals problem in the renderer for some reasons that I'll need to find a solution for

No buttons for screenshots now, but I'll add that in later

[proud cobalt]

Not really sure why that happened, its capitalised in the script '{| class="wikitable theme-blue sortable" style="text-align: center;"\n! Icon !! Name !! Item ID\n'). And yeah version bump isn't too important though, only bugfixes

[proud cobalt]

Yeah no split anymore, i'll remove

[proud cobalt]

Hmm i didnt consider that they would have a background too

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Do we need the test date if the last one was 40.8?

[proud cobalt]

Redirects sure i think we should stay close to the moodle name

[proud cobalt]

It seems the issue only occurs when the navbox is called but also not included due to the include size being too large. Quite the bug. @digital helm it says it's to do with the sup template. However i'm working on that fix excluding sharpknife recipes from items right now so shouldn't really need any follow up

[digital helm]

Nope

[digital helm]

Umm... I'll take a look at that...

[digital helm]

Umm... I'll take a look at that...

[proud cobalt]

I think it's more of it glitching out because of include size

[proud cobalt]

Ok items will no longer have recipes where the only use as as a SharpKnife tool.

[proud cobalt]

Tag articles should now also have crafting tables where that tag is used as a part of crafting E.g.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/SharpKnife_(tag)

The only page left with include size limits is multitool. I don't really want to exclude any more tags from the recipes, removing SharpKnife was already something i didn't want to do. It's only the navbox left out right now, so i think we leave it for the time being.
I can finally say after like 12 months, that this issue is resolved
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_where_template_include_size_is_exceeded

[proud cobalt]

Oh i have to update the recipes data files, they will link to the pages that have been merged. Will try get to that tomorrow

[digital helm]

Moving pages is so annoying 😄

[quartz bear]

Mediawiki is one of those things that everyone would simultaneously love and hate switching off of

[languid kayak]

I think we discussed it before? But yeah, can gut it as it's not needed unless you already did it. There are no test in sight I guess

[languid kayak]

name as in ID?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah what we have now for the most part

[naive rock]

was just doing some testing now, seems that panic is reducing melee damage again, albeit by less than it was beforehand. Anyone with a decompiled copy of the code want to take a peek and see what the values are now?

[flint vapor]

You can decompile the code with a sibgle click app

[naive rock]

Yeah fair, going through it now

does anyone know what this specifically means?

Given the context it seems to have to do with how far away the zombie is, but I'm not sure what the exact value is.

Reason why is because panic decreases the hit chance by 4 per level, + this value * . 5

[proud cobalt]

Which file, I'll have a quick look

[naive rock]

Combat Manager

[proud cobalt]

From what i can tell this specifically seems to just handle returning the actual value of the distance, the distance is stored as a square so returning the square root returns the actual distance

[naive rock]

is distance measured in tiles or is there an abstraction there as well

[proud cobalt]

I have no idea, i would assume tiles

[naive rock]

oh wait, I think I remember, it's about a half a tile

I'll do some testing on this later to confirm that

Missing back when the aim falloff over distance was just 1% per tile rn

[proud cobalt]

No suppressed articles 🎉
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Suppressed_articles

[proud cobalt]

Done

[proud cobalt]

Navbars beginning to roll out, expect some teething issues 🤞

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_settlement
@naive imp

Maybe it isn't a settlement

But rather camping sight

The more I think about it, the more I doubt my first idea of it being anything but a camping/hunting ground

[digital helm]

For me the biggest thing is that church looking building with the gravestones. A little odd for a campsite

[fallen wren]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_(scripts)

do u guys have a full list of item variables for modding items for b42

list only covers b41

i mean for new variables in 42 if any

[proud cobalt]

@flint vapor would know best. I think he generated them for B42 but could be misremembering

Oh i think it was Lua Events he generated :/

[flint vapor]

Yea Lua events only

[flint vapor]

I plan on reworking this page to update it to the new modding wiki format but it takes a lot of time since there's literally hundreds of params

[proud cobalt]

@flint vapor Moving over to the navbar, i made one for modding with some links from the main modding page. It's meant to be for quick navigation to either broader topics, or important related pages. Feel free to add / remove whatever pages you feel are neccesary for modding
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbar_modding

[flint vapor]

Ah that's for the main menu right ?

[proud cobalt]

Will go at the top of all modding related pages

To replace the header template

[flint vapor]

Oh

Oh god another one of those LMAO

Well alright, I'll probably keep it light

But that'll be good I think

Mostly for the modding fields

[proud cobalt]

It's not like the navbox where it lists everything, just to assist with navigation. The header listing categories wasn't really helpful for users.

Can also subdivide it if needed, e.g. one for modding and one for guides.

[flint vapor]

Hmm

I'll see

[flint vapor]

Oh uh

We can't easily access categories that way

What's the current go to for the rest of the wiki ?

Because personally using categories is the only viable way to properly parse the modding wiki

So having a quick access to it is quite important

[proud cobalt]

You can still access categories easily at the bottom of the page, and the category namespace will still have the header

[rotund echo]

Who dun it

CALVYBOT?

I'll kill that clanker

[proud cobalt]

The header?

[rotund echo]

Yeah I'm gonna correct it

[proud cobalt]

There's nothing to correct, the header is not used anymore

Oh hang on

I see now

[rotund echo]

I mean, McCoy Estate is a location, not an item lmao

[proud cobalt]

Yeah, took me a second. But we're not using header anymore

It's because the infobox is on the same line as the header

[proud cobalt]

I am fixing the items thing though, i must have put the wrong template in last night

[digital helm]

Woops. Hopefully not too painful to fix?

[proud cobalt]

No, should be fixed now

[fallen wren]

lmk when you finally get around to adding them 🫡

they might even add more as unstable updates more

😭

for now though is there a way to like, make pz print out all variables ?

https://projectzomboid.com/modding/zombie/scripting/objects/Item.html

actually is this it?

ok yeah this is it, i see why it'll take time cause you'll need to explain what each one does

[flint vapor]

Might not hold everything

[proud cobalt]

Header replacement is finished
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Header&namespace=0&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1

[digital helm]

Great work! Thanks for doing that

[proud cobalt]

<@&671452400221159444>

can we ban people having moderator in their name?

[obsidian atlas]

Will absolutely look at implementing this

[proud cobalt]

It's partially discords fault, I'll type "Moderat" then the role will come up so I'll click enter, as I click enter discord search updates with users and I end up pinging a random user

[flint vapor]

Yea that happened so many times lol

And I swear there's at least one or two accounts that aim to do this just to stop you from pinging moderators lol

That top guy very specifically

[flint vapor]

There seems to be an inconsistency with the dateformat template

First one is {{#dateformat:2025-01-05|ymd}}
Middle ones are {{#dateformat:2022-09|ym}}
Last one is {{#dateformat:2019-11-20|ymd}}

It'd be nice if they all used full leter months

And for the last one to actually make sense in comparisson to the first one

So I guess the dateformat is just too stupid to be able to use the year and the month only ?

💀

[digital helm]

dateformat is a magic word, not a template. It uses the user's date format preference, with everything after | being the default. iirc we use mdy because that's the way the US likes it

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#dateformat

[flint vapor]

I use year month day, because users need to be able to sort by date the tutorials

[digital helm]

That's reasonable

[flint vapor]

Alright getting there, I found the fix for the weird visual bug on models, which is due to the weapon rotation hack which needs to be activated

[hard knoll]

Tempted to edit https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mod.info the "Icon" entry to highlight that naming your icon file exactly icon.png currently results in the orange pebble shown. You gotta name it differently.
All ok with that?

[flint vapor]

Wait what

That's not true

[hard knoll]

I tested it

[flint vapor]

I mean, give a few seconds to check that

Oh shit they broke it

Wtf

That worked before I'm sure of it

[flint vapor]

[hard knoll]

rel. I am on linux to. Not arch btw 😄

[flint vapor]

I'm not on arch either haha

So I think we should make a bug report

And we can add a BugBox template to the Icon parameter

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:BugBox

That way we can officially report that, and link the bug report on the wiki page

Feel free to do it if you want

[hard knoll]

Cool. Got a usage example "in the wild"?
And can/should I send some form of edit preview?

[flint vapor]

I do have an example wait

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModOptions#Text_entry

[hard knoll]

Cool thanks. Should I leave bug report link empty even if it says required? 🙂

[flint vapor]

It's not required no I'll fix that but I meant make an actual bug report on the forums about it

And link that bug report

[hard knoll]

"Warning: This action has been automatically identified as harmful. New users may not include external links in their edits.
Attempting to submit this edit again will result in your account being banned!"
Poor me 🥹

I guess it is because I choose to edit the whole page instead of selecting edit only the block and the whole page contains links ...

[flint vapor]

No it doesn't matter

Did you create an account ?

@languid kayak new users can't add links ?

[flint vapor]

I guess add the BugBox without the link, I'll add the link

[hard knoll]

Jup "Karmachameleon" joined Oct. 10

[flint vapor]

You might need X amount of edits idk

[hard knoll]

I did omit the parameter.
{{BugBox|Using the exact filename "icon.png" results in an orange placeholder ball being shown while other filenames work. (Tested on Linux).|version=42.12.1}}

[flint vapor]

Oh ...

The bug box adds a link anyway to the forums

💀

[hard knoll]

report first, bugbox after then - no orphans allowed 😏

[flint vapor]

Have you made a bug report ? I'll add the bugbox

[languid kayak]

I think they should? Though I remember talling loosly about verifying new users, maybe @digital helm or @proud cobalt know more though

oh true yeah, new users can't have more than 2 external links too

[flint vapor]

I'll create the bug report on the forums

[hard knoll]

I wasn't sure if you would so I did not. I can if you haven't already 😄

[flint vapor]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/87861-42123-rev31595-a-modinfo-icon-file-named-iconpng-doesnt-work/

Don't worry I got it

Go add a comment to confirm this happens to you too

I'll add details about my system in case this is the problem

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod.info#Parameters

Added the bugbox

[hard knoll]

Thanks buddy. Will do. However, Neither "Zombies" nor "Project Zomboid" let me pass the security check :D. I must be a bot.

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[flint vapor]

Uh

Try PZ ?

Also maybe retype it fully

Do you have a space at the end ?

[hard knoll]

PZ aint it. retype fully? Yeah I don't Copy paste. No spaces.

hmm wait. There is another captcha when refreshing the page

works now. I think the captcha-gen-thing in the background was super delayed or something. Web-devs should show a warning or spinner or smth 😉 that one goes on top of the zombie/zomboud question.

[hard knoll]

Done, pending moderator approval there which probably isn't gonna be an issue.
Thanks for walking through this with me Doggy.

[flint vapor]

np

That means you can do all of that yourself in the future haha

[hard knoll]

Oh no what have I done 😆

[flint vapor]

@proud cobalt do you want to be able to render any item models or any items ?

[digital helm]

An account that has no edits can't add external links. It's to reduce spam

[flint vapor]

👌

@hard knoll

Go edit a random page haha

[proud cobalt]

What's the difference? Need to render all models for any item

@flint vapor Page dictionary updated with weightloss

[flint vapor]

Noice

[flint vapor]

Oh god

The difference is idk, every models is every model scripts, even unused

I need to rework how I'm handling it rn it's a fucking mess

[digital helm]

Sounds like my renderer too 😆

I did it that way too. Just rendered all the models in the scripts, rather than comparing with each item

[frail fossil]

hi guys i'm back

So i was looking at the source of the template:infobox page, and it seems really really short

<includeonly><div class="infobox {{{class|}}}" {{#if:{{{color|}}}|style="border-color: {{{color}}};"}}>
  <div {{#if:{{{color|}}}|style="background-color: {{{color}}}; color: white;"}}>{{{title|}}}</div>
{{{1|}}}
</div></includeonly>

how does this create the entire infobox?

[proud cobalt]

that's just the core template, e.g.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item

[frail fossil]

oh okay that makes sense

it looks really long though how do you guys manage it

[proud cobalt]

It is really long lol. The next step is to recreate it in lua which should be faster and simpler to maintain

[frail fossil]

What do you mean?

[proud cobalt]

It's written in parser script from before we had access to lua, it's a very simple language which requires a lot of repeated code. Lua is faster and doesn't require that

[frail fossil]

i see

this looks awful to debug 💀

[digital helm]

It is lol

[proud cobalt]

Yeah we dont really edit it on the site, and it's a little better with the editor

[flint vapor]

Yuuuup

You better know how it works lmao

[flint vapor]

And yet, it's still not that great haha

[proud cobalt]

Haha I said better not good

[quartz bear]

I liked wikicode when making my encumbrance thingy

The fact it worked was crazy to me

[keen terrace]

got one for you! https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Simple_Loom

i dont know what its suposed to say but its not that.

[flint vapor]

What ?

My message wasn't for you, what are you talking about ?

[keen terrace]

Thr other day you said to me to report any weird issues with the wiki that I came across.

[flint vapor]

Uh ...

Link my message, I need more context here

The page you sent is about a specific tile, not related to modding so not my wiki subject

[keen terrace]

Yeah wrong person it was @proud cobalt #pzwiki_editing message

[frail fossil]

By the way, if you replace the infobox templates with a Lua version, would every page that uses the infobox need to be edited?

[flint vapor]

Nah

[frail fossil]

oh ok

[proud cobalt]

Sorry what's the issue with this one?

[keen terrace]

The loom is a crafting station used to create thread and twine from wool. The wiki entry however simply lists it as a movable tile

[proud cobalt]

Ahh, that's not really an issue, it's just a page nobody has had the time to add to yet

[keen terrace]

Ah okay! I went to link it last night and noticed it was blank haha. Advanced loom is the annoying one since its not craftable but Is movable. But no one knows where to find one!

[proud cobalt]

The complex loom right? You can search for it on B42map 😄

[keen terrace]

Yes that thing! I've never seen it in game! That's super useful to know though for next time someone asks!!

[proud cobalt]

Can't search all tiles but I've added lots of the big ones to be searchable on B42map, things like complex looms, antique stoves, popsicle freezers. All searchable

[keen terrace]

OOo are the chest freezers searchable?

[proud cobalt]

Yes they are too

[keen terrace]

yay i love them. there adorable!

[quartz bear]

people's love towards inanimate objects never ceases to amaze me

[languid kayak]

I fixed the intro added in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Literature&diff=prev&oldid=1190097 a little (see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Literature), correcting decimal spearator and added links), but I have a feeling it could use some further cleanups?

[digital helm]

Unusual to have the main block of text about the total number of book titles 😄

[quartz bear]

so many new colors in chat

[rotund echo]

Guys please ban sharpgolden's IP address from pzwiki.net

(he advised to use the Zomboid Original Sin — using fire to kill zombies)

[lucid junco]

Grow up nerd

[lucid junco]

A lot of oranges

[quartz bear]

fire is so ineffective at killing zombies it's unreal

[proud cobalt]

Never been a fan of fire

[frail fossil]

> firefighter pfp
checks out

[naive imp]

Collateral damage has entered the chat

I prefer the pickaxe myself

[languid kayak]

I kinda started to like crowbar, first time playing with it in B42, was always an lumberjack/axe guy

[naive imp]

Meh

Low damage high stamina usage

Id rather have a short blunt

[languid kayak]

For single zeds it's fine 😄

I like short knives, but mostly for their jaw stab option, and stealth is at least a little more viable now that the zombies don't have pinpoint hearing

[naive imp]

People say stealth is still useless. I say they are still shit lol

I use stealth all the time

I always keep a screwdriver on my belt for that exact reason

[quartz bear]

Shovel was so op in B41

It was a baseball bat+

[proud cobalt]

That's a good point

Long blade all the way, just so rare

[rotund echo]

Stop slacking on smithing Calvy

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I think this is no longer needed? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2 It's categorized in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:PZwiki 😄

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco the missing image in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/KY_Transit#Gallery is something you want to upload yet, or some wrong name?

[languid kayak]

huh, I think something with English page count (used on main page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Wiki ) has broken? Maybe you could check @proud cobalt or @digital helm?

I think we have more than 31 pages in English after all 😄

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Metal_Crate&curid=12545&diff=1219877&oldid=1212009 is this still for b41.78.16 or should be bumped to 42?

[proud cobalt]

The smithing tree is bad atm so i'm expecting a big change for that, so smithing is low prio

[proud cobalt]

Leave on 41 the rest of the page needs to be updated still

[proud cobalt]

Oh @digital helm Did the header add pages to English?

Or should the categories already be in English?

[rotund echo]

What's bad about it? Nails blocking the tech tree?

[proud cobalt]

This was made for 42.8 so maybe things are a little different, but i havn't seen much in terms of changes for blacksmithing other than being renamed to blacksmithing

[rotund echo]

Hmm, yeah this full tech tree is supposed to be done in the wilderness from scratch

If you're looting like a normal person, this tech tree is far more easier and you can skip a lot of the parts

[digital helm]

Woops. That'd be it. Can just move it over to LangSwitch

[digital helm]

I'll clear this. Need to go through my other sandboxes too

[proud cobalt]

We have a template for this, i never knew
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Language_code_category

Ok added to langswitch

Thats... probably gonna take some time to populate

[digital helm]

Yeah... a long time

thanks

[languid kayak]

Was thinking of moving it to trivia, yeah 🤔

[languid kayak]

but is it 60 or 80 on B41 :D?

I technically can check it I guess

[languid kayak]

yeah, it was my though as well 😄 Good that you picked it

[keen terrace]

any chance you could add a the packaged tent under "see also" or as a sub line like "may also be found in its packaged form" or something and link one of the tents packaged as an example? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tent https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tent_(Packed)

[languid kayak]

You should be able to do that yourself, should be simple enough especially with visual editor – see also is basically a list of links without any additional info that are related, but we did experiment with generating them automatically so a lot of them may be irrelevant and some pages mis them entirely. They are in the format of
`== See also ==

• [[Link]]
• [[Link2]]
• [[Link3]]`
  (there's no upper or lower limit, but 3 is a good start)

The additional info goes to == Trivia == section if you want to add something that requires text, though not sure if that along is worth a trivia 😄

And yeah, seems that both Tent and Packaged version of it are autogenerated; I do have a plan to eventually be going through those and revamping summaries, see also etc. but since we maintain thousand of pages, time is the most needed, so feel free to adjust the see also if you see them irrelevant and maybe even remove the notice once done. I and other admins are verifying all the changes anyway, so feel free to adjust them at will before that 😄

In case you didn't do any edits on pzwiki, we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents – I started cleaning it up a little, so if something's not clear, let me know, especially now that we have visual editor (most of the admins, me included use source editor, so I might not added some quirks with Visual Editor, so let me know)

[languid kayak]

btw I fixed the * in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Citr-8_Wave&diff=1263249&oldid=1263203 @lucid junco but I'm not sure now, do we still use <nowiki> for it? I think you adjusted the parser for it @digital helm or was it you @proud cobalt?

[lucid junco]

Either I forgot or uploaded with a wrong name

uploaded it now

[lucid junco]

Huh, just checking it, there is an advert for Orange-Lite pop. On wiki its listed as an advert to the Orange Soda, which seems about right:
"Have you tried new Orange-Lite Pop?
The ice-cold, all-American taste of pure refreshment!
Quench your thirst!
Energize your being!"

Should I overwrite it to suggest that its actually a citr-8 branded product and link to you saying that its actually a citr-8 wave?

Also @proud cobalt @languid kayak(or idk who should I ping for that) Why both Pop cans labled as Cola?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Diet_Cola

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cola

But in code it is labled as Pop

and in the article itself it is referred to as "Pop"

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Notable_Tables_Showroom
Page created

[thin cloud]

Never link to Pat_Bren, I'm not a source, only the game is the source. Orange Soda is the item, Citr-8 is the brand (which usually aren't listed)

[digital helm]

I'll be looking at this weekend. We have a deeper issue with naming fluid containers. From a quick look at the article though, they should be something like "Pop Can" or "Pop Can (Cola)"

[flat sun]

i feel a little bad that most of my contributions are nitpicks like this, but in 'By default it generates with cola.', 'By default' and 'generates with' seem redundant

'by default' could imply it can be configured, which it can't (without mods), so i would say 'It generates with cola.' would be preferable wording

[proud cobalt]

The item name has changed, the body text hasn't been updated. The item names are Cola and Diet Cola
https://puu.sh/KDbsc.png

[proud cobalt]

Don't feel bad just update it 😄

[flat sun]

is that part not made by a script or something?

[proud cobalt]

That part wont be updated by a sript

[digital helm]

Is that from the debug item list? They only show the display name, rather than the actual live name the player sees

[proud cobalt]

It was indeed the display name was changed from Pop to Cola in 42.0.0 but then removed as part of 42.12 making it just {fluid} ({container})

Surely we aren't going to change the article name to Cola (Pop Can) (Sealed)

[digital helm]

definitely not

it has 3 names. the open, sealed and the empty

so it'd be something like "Pop Can (Cola)"

[proud cobalt]

We already have the container name in the infobox so i dont see a reason to change the name from Cola

[digital helm]

since empty is Empty Pop Can

[digital helm]

This issue extends to all fluid containers though

[proud cobalt]

All the pop cans should be merged than i think

[digital helm]

I guess we don't mention which fluids spawn in it then, in the infobox?

I was thinking of adding that too

[proud cobalt]

Not in infobox

[digital helm]

Yeah, I was thinking of adding it. But may be best to keep it in article, then merge them

[digital helm]

<@&1399049363950534656>
We're after some thoughts on the naming of fluids containers. Since they're dynamic, we're struggling with a clear naming scheme.

If you don't know, the in-game name is based on the Container Name and the Fluid that's in it.
E.g., Cola (Pop Can) if it's a Pop Can (item) that has Cola (fluid) in it. Or Empty Pop Can if it's empty.
The problem is that it can change, e.g., the same item could be Water (Pop Can).

We currently have a few methods.
1) Varied naming.

• Single spawned fluid - Fluid (or Fluid (Container)). E.g., Cola or Cola (Pop Can) Container name is then in the infobox.
• Multi spawned fluids (or none) - Container. E.g., Pop Can. We then list spawned fluids in the article.

2) Name based on the container name.

• Single spawned fluid - Container (Fluid). E.g., Pop Can (Cola) Container name is then removed from the infobox.
• Multi spawned fluids (or none) - Container. We still list in the article what can spawn in it.

3) Merge fluid containers.

• Merge them, since they're usually functionally identical, with any variation only being for the icon, model and spawning.
• So instead of having 21 separate pages for each Glass Bottle variant, they're all listed on one page.

[flat sun]

strong support for 3, the fluid the container spawns with is not an inalienable property of the item so it doesn't make sense to name them after that

i suspect items like this may get merged in the game proper in the future, i've definitely heard that they're unhappy with all the duplicate items, they really just exist because the spawning logic isn't customisable enough

[digital helm]

That would help a lot. These items existing purely for spawning has been a major pain for us

[lament hazel]

uses LUA table for spawning, proceeds to never use 1/100th the power of LUA in spawning table

Imagine if we had... onSpawn()

just... a callback with context for why the hell this item is being spawned and into what..

[proud cobalt]

Yeah, or making a baseball cap and a reversed baseball cap that come in all the colours, then also creating all the individual colour items so they can specify what outfit spawns with what colour hat...

[lament hazel]

#1318920979581501502 message just a thought someone might wanna expand on.

Someone else might be able to add and expand on why it would be an amazing concept..

[flint vapor]

3
Fluid containers can be accessed in the translation keys, use that for the items / display name
Have a section on those pages that list every fluids that can spawn naturally in those fluid containers

[quartz bear]

3
I have no reasoning

[languid kayak]

Probably might be worth botting over so the other pages are consistent though? Also don't worry and thanks @flat sun, all nitpicks are welcome too and good you bring them here as well 😄

[languid kayak]

I guess 3 is the way to go, the only issue I have is that a lot of conmtainers that are totally different looking and different capacities and encumbrances are unanimously called "glass bottle", but that's the same issue with them being grouped in-game so wiki should kinda follow if we're merging stuff

Unless they change to something like "Wine bottle" or "Bourbon bottle" somewhere down the line in-game that is

[languid kayak]

What items are those for example?

[proud cobalt]

Base.Hat_Bandana_Green Base.Hat_BaseballCapBlue Base.Gloves_FingerlessLeatherGloves_Black Hair dye variants, Ammo boxes, Duffel bags, etc

[languid kayak]

ah those, yeah

Clothing are mess since b41 sadly 🙁 Some revamp would be welcome still

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flex•Hinge

https://tenor.com/view/phil-swift-it-even-works-underwater-invicible-flextape-gif-17291153

[naive imp]

3 is the best choice imo. If I was a reader I wouldn't want to have to click through 21 pages on the same container to find what I want. If spawning is an issue, we can make a separate section for it in the article that describes the criteria

[proud cobalt]

The thing is the items were separate before. Theres no Vodka bottle anymore, it's Vodka (Glass bottle)

[naive imp]

Ex. "A Glass Bottle can spawn containing a variety of liquids. Shown below is a table/explanation/whatever of what spawns where."

Example example

Example example

[proud cobalt]

I think 3 is the best way with what we have now, i just dont like how it's done in game

[naive imp]

And these bottles all have different models etc right

For like the different individual ones

[digital helm]

different models, icons, and some have different weights

[proud cobalt]

What Vail said

But they're all {Liquid} {container}

[naive imp]

Then imo we should treat them the same as all the other items with variants, although the name is the same and the variants of like game pieces had different names so that might be annoying

Maybe a disambiguation page? But I know we aren't a fan of a lot of those

[proud cobalt]

They removed all the display names from items which has caused a bit of a headache

[naive imp]

Oh so you can't just see in game anymore? That's annoying

I haven't played pz in a bit

[digital helm]

Name is dynamic. Changes with the contents

If you don't know, the in-game name is based on the Container Name and the Fluid that's in it.
E.g., Cola (Pop Can) if it's a Pop Can (item) that has Cola (fluid) in it. Or Empty Pop Can if it's empty.
The problem is that it can change, e.g., the same item could be Water (Pop Can).

[naive imp]

Yeah I knew that

[proud cobalt]

In game is this
#pzwiki_editing message

[naive imp]

I was more talking about how all the different bottles with models weights etc are all still just called "glass bottle"

Not like "glass bottle-vodka" or whatever

[proud cobalt]

So it would be Vodka (Glass bottle)

[digital helm]

If they have the same contents they're called the same thing

[naive imp]

No like the empty bottle

[digital helm]

Empty Glass Bottle

[naive imp]

Just the container with no fluid

[naive imp]

Right but aren't they all called that despite the weights models etc etc? I know we got hung up on stuff like that before (I think)

Because that was the main reason for splitting a lot of pages based on the internal name of stuff

Like sneakers sneakersTINT etc

I could be wrong but I remember the only way we were able to merge them back into a page is because the info box was modified to handle different item IDs

At once

So I'm just saying idk if all these bottles have the same item ID or not and if so how do we wanna handle that

[proud cobalt]

No they all have different IDs

[naive imp]

Because I know item ids were a big thing before (I think)

[naive imp]

Ah

Classic overthinking shit

[digital helm]

That's the problem 😄

[naive imp]

How many IDs can the info box handle?

[proud cobalt]

Example list

[proud cobalt]

That's not particularly an issue

[naive imp]

Listing all of them would be a bit unwieldy tho no?

That'd be a big infobox

[digital helm]

It's definitely not ideal

[proud cobalt]

It's more, say a user is searching for vodka, how do we handle that. Previously there was a bottle of vodka item, and there still is in game, but now it's Vodka (Glass Bottle)

[naive imp]

Hmmm

Id say list the bottles it can spawn in on the fluid page with redirects

Ex.

"Vodka can be found in various types of (bottles] around Knox Country."

And the that links to the associated bottle

Unless there's multiple

That may be an issue