pzwiki_editing

[rotund echo]

Why is it only this one and why is it so rampant

<@&671452400221159444>

[obtuse gulch]

Mr beast is slightly more believable than anyone else I’d assume

[flint vapor]

Bcs it abuses the fact they don't post links or any words that could help detect them

However like I just mentioned in #mod_development, they seem to always use the same images, and thus maybe we could detect this specific media link since they link the media and don't poste the media as a new one every time

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit

Is this a page that will be automatically updated or was there a need to manually retrieve outfit renders of the player ?

[flint vapor]

I still can't move pages !

Seriously !?

[serene sage]

all manual

[flint vapor]

oof

[serene sage]

Calvy did the screenshots one by one

ik

[flint vapor]

I'm sure there'd be a way to automate it ...

Yea for sure you can make a mod to do that too !

Oh yea you can definitely make a mod for that

[serene sage]

for creating and exporting a render of the outfit into an image file?

[flint vapor]

Yes

I mean, might need some editing bits after but that can be automated since the images would be normalized

But you could make a custom UI panel that cycles through every clothing on a character in a render window, and a screenshot is taken everytime

The screenshots would be Steam screenshots tho, but you could easily output the clothing order to be associated with screenshots

[serene sage]

interesting

[flint vapor]

A mod recently came out, taking screenshots from Lua

[languid kayak]

Actually, Calvy was going to return to it and the images were done by a Python script

[flint vapor]

He still needs in-game screenshots tho

[languid kayak]

Although I kinda like the outfits from the character creator, so maybe we could use them with the background instead

[languid kayak]

He automated it for these scripts

[flint vapor]

FUCK I MISSED THE MARK

[serene sage]

sad

[snow rivet]

I'd actually quite like to join this project, if you have the need for a random contributor

[naive imp]

Thanks for showing interest. Most newly added locations as a part of Build 42 are in pretty good shape, I'm just going through all of them and updating them to standardized formatting, along with uploading new images and renaming files.

To be honest, we could really use some help making sure that the locations in the existing towns are up to date, as build 42 refreshed nearly the entire map. I know Muldraugh in particular got changed around a good bit.

If you're a little newer to the project, that's where I would recommend focusing your efforts at the moment. Verification of b41 locations has unfortunately fallen on the backburner.

[snow rivet]

Okay, neat. I've been wondering, what's a good example of the desired formatting for towns/locations? Echo Creek is marked as completed on the project page, I just don't have a perfect idea of the desired formatting for location pages and such

[naive imp]

We have a Boilerplate for that, although I do admit that the language may be a bit confusing.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location

It lists articles and relevant examples you can use also

[snow rivet]

ooooh perfect, thanks.

[naive imp]

@snow rivet BTW don't sweat it too much, I'll be going over and double checking everything so if you do miss something I'll fix it 😀

[snow rivet]

Great! I'll probably start with Muldraugh/West Point locations then, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page beforehand, ehehe. Feel free to message me either here or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:NobleArgon

[naive imp]

Go crazy bro. Also make sure to check what version the page is updated to. If it's updated to 42.10.0 then I've already checked it and it should be good. Just saying as some locations are business chains that have locations in multiple towns

[flint vapor]

Where are blogs archived on the wiki if they are ?

[digital helm]

Only really old ones are now. Duplicating them messed with the SEO https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:News

[flint vapor]

How should I handle linked to a blog post that doesn't have a wiki page ?

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/08/tidy-up-time/

Specifically

[digital helm]

Either link to it directly with a normal external link, otherwise we have the website set up as an interwiki link
[[zomboidweb:blog/news/2024/08/tidy-up-time]]

[flint vapor]

Nice

[digital helm]

We also have the plainlinks class, which removes the external link icon
<span class="plainlinks">[https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/08/tidy-up-time/]</span>

[flint vapor]

Yea nah that's fine, I'll use the direct linked you just shared

[snow rivet]

so if I wanted to rename something like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:AECMD.png
to Adult_Education_Center_Interior.png, is there an easy way to "upload a new version of this file" to reupload the same image while changing the destination filename?

or do I have to delete the image wholesale, reupload it under the desired name, then check "File Usage" and change
the references to it on related page(s) manually to match new filename?

[naive imp]

You don't have deletion powers nor do you have move without redirect powers, as you aren't an admin. However, you can use the move function to change the name of a page. After you move the file, use the {{delete}} template to nominate the redirect page (the name it was originally moved from) for deletion. Be sure to include a reason. It should look something like this in the source editor:

{{delete|no longer used}}

BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN DOING THIS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LINKS.

[proud cobalt]

Screenshots were semi-automatic, page was automated

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[flint vapor]

Wdym by semi-automatic ?

[proud cobalt]

It was on my old pc but iirc it was just an auto hotkey script that would take a screenshot then change the outfit and repeat. I used a mod to make the preview window bigger. Then i had a photoshop macro remove the background on all of them

oh then a python script to rename them based on the order they were taken

[flint vapor]

Yea that was my idea, but instead of doing it with a macro, you could do it directly from an in-game tool

Everything but renaming files

Tho maybe there's a solution to that too that I don't know about

[naive imp]

This shit has been becoming more common, very annoying to deal with

[flint vapor]

Yea ...

[proud cobalt]

That would be a very handy tool

i was looking at updating outfits soon, no immediate plans as im doing items

[flint vapor]

I can possibly work on that, it wouldn't be too hard

Also I tested the visual editor and I hate it 💀

Probably being too used working with source codes I suppose

[proud cobalt]

Haha if you know source editing it is slower. Plus modding

[flint vapor]

Yea and I find it ... clumsy

Your view keeps getting teleported around

You can't modify text into a page link so you have to look for the link in that big massive window then delete the text you were trying to add a link to

At least that's the bits I did

Haven't tested much other stuff

Time to feel like a boomer watching all the kids learn that "neat" new tool and me being used to my old manners

[proud cobalt]

🎉

[digital helm]

WIP animal infoboxes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5 still some issues and info to add. Then we need to decide what should be in the infobox, and what is better off only being in the main page content.

I've also generated a report for each animal here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3

[languid kayak]

I'd say [[zomboidweb: is preferred though @flint vapor

[flint vapor]

Yea that's what I used

[languid kayak]

beating my edit count soon™ 😄

[naive imp]

Me too. I do like it for editing transculed templates though. But yeah source editing is faster and less clunky.

[naive imp]

@lucid junco How did you check the loot on this page? Did you go there in game or just use roomdefs? Not that I don't trust you I just want to make sure its accurate lol. I've stuck {{unverified}} on it for now but if you checked in game on B42.10.0 lmk and I'll remove it. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/F._Arable

if not I'll check it nbd

[lucid junco]

I went there and checked every container

The debug mode has a feature that shows you loot table of the specific container

In percentages

[naive imp]

Ok cool just making sure. Thx

[rotund echo]

Guys do you approve?

The indoor shopping mall (that's layers 6-8 on b42map.com) needs to be fleshed out but I'll probably leave that to you or do it myself later

Haven't made the article yet, just waiting for the greenlight

I talked about this with Calvy a while ago, I forgot

[lucid junco]

I give green light

[rotund echo]

Fuck you cut off room defs

[rotund echo]

What do you think https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gable-roofed_skyscraper

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

Id add the gallery with pics

But there would be 24 pics in it then

[rotund echo]

Yeah xD

[rotund echo]

Challenge accepted, I now have SS 24 times of this one Zomboid building

...and I have to add all images one by one...

You know what I got better things to do for now

[rotund echo]

Wait, where? I am using the visual editor

[proud cobalt]

It's in the source editor

[rotund echo]

I found it, thanks

[rotund echo]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gable-roofed_skyscraper

Excellent, I'm proud of this new work... I just added a gallery... what do you think guys?

[proud cobalt]

Looks good to me, thats a lot of floors 😆

[rotund echo]

Bateman has even more 😭

[proud cobalt]

325 autogen items left, and that's about as low as i'll get it before further updates

[late trail]

Any chance I could rope someone into creating a PZ headless server page for tldr? https://github.com/tldr-pages/tldr/issues/17125

[quartz bear]

What specifically do you want to include in there

My usual headless server routine for pz is open one .bat file

[late trail]

The usual server startup arguments for getting a server running

See the ones already created

If you feel like it, more complex examples can be included

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to make it

[lean kayak]

Will street names be added to b42map at some point?

Maybe as one of those toggleable buttons

[proud cobalt]

Not to the main map, there will be no major revisions as we're waiting for it to go official. However here's a sneak peak of a street name map, waiting for it to be finished before adding a link to switch between them
https://b42map.com/street_map.html

[rotund echo]

Ok, Topcrown Plaza is kinda weird to write detailed about

For the bottom floors, it is connected, but for the upper floors, it splits into twin towers each with different insides!

[lilac wigeon]

hey all, im trying to create an account on the wiki, and its telling me that there is a required field im missing, but I'm filling out every field, anyone here have visibility into that?

[languid kayak]

you can check them ingame, other than that yeah 😦

[languid kayak]

yeah… 😄

[languid kayak]

maybe try to disable AdBlock or NoScript temporarily, or disable blockings if you use Firefox? Seems like captcha doesn't load for you

[lilac wigeon]

nm, im an idiot. wasn't captcha, the box for agreeing to terms was really light and i missed it. and also it didn't highlight as the thing missing on the error screen
im good, thanks

no updates on the map also means no correcting the locations that are marked as army quarter or army barracks that the devs have identified as migrant worker housing?

[naive imp]

@rotund echo make sure you use {{header}} and {{page version}} on any new page you make in the future. I went ahead and added it for you on the gable roofed skyscraper. Page looks good btw.

[rotund echo]

Yeah sorry I didn't know hehehe

[proud cobalt]

I didn't even notice so don't feel bad lol

[rotund echo]

I have made a preset I call "Grand Theft Auto" so I can drive over there and manually check myself xD

Its going to be really hard to check in normal gameplay... first I have to go all the way there, kill all the zombies to even get there (which is A LOT), then kill even more zombies once I finally show up to the skyscraper

If anyone here knows about my ordeal with the Topcrown Plaza, its that I have a bone to pick with the Louisville office complex

[proud cobalt]

Debug mode + teleport 😄

[rotund echo]

Fair xD

That little shopping mall doesn't have any shop signs

I'm only able to identify two of the stores inside based on room def and logos, and the VHS store is because it looks like any other Hit Vids! location

[proud cobalt]

OK I'm going to take the masochist route and do all items now

[gloomy glen]

will the main articles for the moodles be rewritten? asking so I can translate them 👀

[proud cobalt]

I rewrote them last year so likely not, they may be altered slightly as we learn more about the new moodles, but that's a given for any article

[gloomy glen]

ty!

[proud cobalt]

As part of my standardisation i'm moving consumable properties as a subheader of ===Food===, condition as a subheader of ===Weapon=== and body part as a subheader of ===Clothing=== all still under ==Usage==

[digital helm]

Sounds good to me

[rotund echo]

Is this even accurate or no

I swear to God, I already killed so many soldier zombies here and didn't find one M16 on any of them

[lucid junco]

Ofc there are no M16

They are all in the river

[lilac wigeon]

sooo... something in the aiming page seems wrong

either the first chart is wrong, or all the weapon type charts are

looking at the pulled code snippets for individual guns, i think its the first one

[languid kayak]

#1393555022192709763 message https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/19248267/ – 41.78.16 got a patch, but I think version stayed the same?

[digital helm]

The aiming page is only updated to b41, whereas the item list pages are updated to b42. That'd be why

[digital helm]

There was a parch released for the dedicated server with the fix today, let me know if there are any issues after that
Chuck posted in announcements on the modding discord

[lilac wigeon]

that makes sense, thanks. I'll add a note then when i get a chance tonight

[proud cobalt]

Yes it is

That's for 42.10

[languid kayak]

That's how I found it 😄

not sure if we should update the date in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Current_version for 41.78.16 though

[rotund echo]

I don't trust them stats, either I'm insanely unlucky or this is wrong

[proud cobalt]

Make sure the zombie def you're killing are actually the ones listed, but I will check the code when I get home. Of you can drop attached weapon definitions.lua here and I'll try look on mobile

[rotund echo]

I'm not too sure about zombie defs, but I killed a lot of green camo and desert camo soldier zombies

[languid kayak]

Finally got some time to get back to vehicle parts, thanks btw @proud cobalt for updatin these https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Front_Window_(Standard_Vehicle)&diff=1089847&oldid=1076879 😄

@flint vapor moved AnimNode to singular, I adjusted the wording but feel free to adjust further following the singular notice 😄 Didn't bump it to .10 too, as I wasn't sure anythign has changed https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=AnimNode&diff=1095079&oldid=1087419

[proud cobalt]

Ok looks like the attached weapon definitions system has changed a bit, i will start working on updating it probably tomorrow. Instead of just using outfits they now use IDs and define outfits within the ID.
The 50% comes from the ID assaultRifleArmyOnBack which has a 50% chance of spawning a rifle on the back of a ArmyCamoDesert or ArmyCamoGreen outfit. But the chance of that ID spawning i have no idea.

Will also ping @digital helm so he's aware of the change. Will investigate tomorrow

[rotund echo]

Like, come on, if it says 50% spawn chance on army camo green or army camo desert, that means I should find it on roughly half of all the green and desert soldier zombies I killed

Why is finding this gun still a needle in a haystack

[digital helm]

Yeah, I just reread your message, my mistake 😄

[digital helm]

It got reverted, didn't it? Or am I mistaken

[languid kayak]

Also updated Discord page with the new info about pings, upcoming review month and modding Discord, feel free to improvei f you want @proud cobalt and @flint vapor https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Discord&diff=1095081&oldid=1056491 🙂

[languid kayak]

The patch was reverted?

[digital helm]

A little different to what I was looking at, but I did see this, just didn't realise it had changed. I'll send you some stuff to help with it. Looks like you might be looking at outfits sooner rather than later 😄

[digital helm]

Chuck's post

EDIT: Patch was reverted, issues are being looked at- all stated above still applies.

[languid kayak]

Seems not? https://steamdb.info/app/108600/patchnotes/ https://steamdb.info/app/108600/depots/?branch=public

[proud cobalt]

It was reverted

[proud cobalt]

Obviously wasn't intentional, the system has changed and we can't know until its reported

[proud cobalt]

Cheers

[languid kayak]

oh, you are right, they were just so close apart to each other 😄 https://steamdb.info/app/108600/history/?changeid=30192812

[languid kayak]

I tried fixing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_using_duplicate_arguments_in_template_calls – it seems there's something with table being inside {{ToggleBox}}, but not sure what… Not sure you want to take a look @digital helm 😄

[proud cobalt]

Have to use magic words

Yeah both pages in there use pipes in the togglebox

[rotund echo]

Erm, I spelled it right the first time, ThinkDock

[digital helm]

American spelling 😆

[proud cobalt]

In American English Story is the spelling

[rotund echo]

Oop

[digital helm]

It's their fault, not yours. They spell it wrong

[rotund echo]

I thought storey was right, because it helps avoid confusion with like, story as in storytime

[proud cobalt]

Its separated in UK English based on meaning

[languid kayak]

Also left a comment here @digital helm https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/commit/45f6153321a3ca78b9d820a31668fa79e6217d53#r162653938 in case you'll miss it 😛

[languid kayak]

yeah, though so, tried replacing = with {{=}} but it wasn't that so I gave up 😄

[languid kayak]

ah, those damn pipes at it again 🙃

[languid kayak]

American English is weird yeah 😩

I have American English set in LanguageTool with picky mode and it generally picks them, but yeah

[digital helm]

There's no space being added. It's because everything else is just being inserted. Simple enough to fix 😄

[lucid junco]

No worries

Even devs made american english errors

[languid kayak]

There's al ot of inconsistencies, EN UK when? https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/tree/master/EN UK

and those two unmerged, from back then:
https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/458
https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/462

and https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/547

[flint vapor]

Thanks

[flint vapor]

Fixed the double link the modding Discord to go from modding and mapping

[languid kayak]

haha, copypasta, thanks 😄

[lilac wigeon]

im thinking its more, IF the chance for item spawn on back is met, its 50 percent likely to be the rifle?

[proud cobalt]

I'm working on a more effective chance approach similar to what we do with containers, the game files list the chance as 50% which is what we listed on the wiki but that's misleading. There's a lot more that goes into it

Once you calculate the chance of a zombie getting any weapon, plus getting that specific weapon roll, plus getting that specific weapon from the rolled list, M16 has an effective chance much closer to somewhere between 3 and 8%. Once i understand it better i will come up with an equation that best represents real world results.

[rotund echo]

I have managed to locate a lot more wells and pumps in Knox Country

Almost all of them are located within the new map

[digital helm]

Have you recorded them? Might be good to list all the coordinates on the well page

[rotund echo]

These are all the things that I have found for now

I'm not sure what the water-pump looking things are, but I have a hunch they're also infinite water sources, so I included them in the list

[naive imp]

My squiggly red lines beg to differ

Also Americans don't spell it that way. We also omit the unnecessary "u" from things like "color" and "armor"

I don't know where eyall get the U from but it makes no sense

And the fuck is a "spanner"? Who says that lol

[proud cobalt]

They are infinite water sources that are clean, where wells can be (are always?) contaminated now

Though they were always clean in like 42.5 i have not checked since

[rotund echo]

Hey look some guy on pz_b42_chat_no_mp_yet found a pump at McCoy's Estate

Seems clean

[rotund echo]

This may not be all of the wells and pumps in B42

But I will add it later

[digital helm]

From the French probably. Blame them

[proud cobalt]

A spanner is a wrench that cant change it's size. Though in Australia we'd also call that a shifter.

A a 10 or 12mm spanner for working on cars 🙂

[naive imp]

Why not just a wrench like we Americans do

For a wrench that changes size its just adjustable wrench

Which I don't like using they round off shit

[languid kayak]

is it automated? @digital helm I see there's extra space: |vehicle_part_type=[[Car Seat|Front Door]]

That's https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Front_Door_(Heavy-Duty_Vehicle)&action=edit

now is the best time 😄

Things has improved vastly

[languid kayak]

and I just realized; should it link to the car seat?

This seems to be https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/main/scripts/objects/vehicle_part.py#L224

not sure if vehicle_part_type is used at all though? Can't find it in the infobox?

[lucid junco]

What the fuck is a mm🦅

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[rotund echo]

You Australian?

[proud cobalt]

Sure am

[rotund echo]

Wow, I live relatively near you then, I'm in Indonesia xD

[lucid junco]

Same

Only one edit this month

[proud cobalt]

Close in terms of countries, still a couple thousand km away 😆

@rotund echo This is a much closer representation of attached weapon chances in B42
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/M16_Assault_Rifle#Obtaining

[rotund echo]

Where is the "Zombies" table?

[proud cobalt]

It's the attached weapons table under the zombies header. If you don't see it yet you may need to ctrl-f5

[proud cobalt]

That's it

[rotund echo]

https://tenor.com/view/leopold-slikk-agk-angry-german-kid-norman-gif-22475066

[proud cobalt]

They threw them all in the river before they turned

[rotund echo]

This is why the Louisville border camp fell to the zombies

[proud cobalt]

Real

[rotund echo]

Oh I heard that they diluted what can spawn as a "katana", so it isn't always a full Katana anymore

So they drastically diluted an already tiny sample size of Katana Men

[proud cobalt]

Correct katanaStomach can spawn

                "Base.CrudeShortSword",
                "Base.Katana",
                "Base.Katana_Broken",
                "Base.Machete",
                "Base.Machete_Crude",
                "Base.ShortSword_Scrap",
                "Base.Sword_Scrap",
                "Base.Sword_Scrap_Broken"```

Which dilutes its chance significantly

[rotund echo]

I only ever found one Katana man in B41, it is already that rare

How am I ever gonna find a Katana Man in B42? 😭 16x population?

[proud cobalt]

I've only found one in my longest save B41

[rotund echo]

I know one guy who already killed 120,000 zombies in B42 and only ever found ONE Katana Man

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm Did you ever do binomial probability?

[proud cobalt]

Chatgpt helping me here.

There's a 6% global chance to attach any weapon to zombie
katanaStomach has a weight of 1
The sum of generic definition weight values is 252
there's 9 weapons in katanaStomach

p_per_kill = global_chance * (katana_weight / total_weight) * (num_of_desired_item(s) / total_items)
p_per_kill = 0.06 * (1/252) * (1/9)
p_per_kill = 0.00002646
percent_per_kill = 0.002646%

desired probability = 50% chance of seeing Base.Katana (0.5)

kills for desired probability = ln(1 - desired_prob) / ln(1 - percent_per_kill)
kills for desired probability = ln(1 - 0.5) / ln(1 - 0.00002646)

Kills required for a 50% chance of seeing Base.Katana once: 26,200

[rotund echo]

Man I only ever got 22k kills at most in one game 😭

[rotund echo]

But seriously though, who is going to get 100,000 kills outside 16x population

Most of us aren't iceteaz

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the thing is loot chances arent real chances. Every time the zombie spawns you have the same chance of it having the requirements. This is just a way to plot the expected result. 50% of people will have found at least 1 katana by 26,000 kills

[rotund echo]

And only a fraction of the Zomboid playerbase reaches 26,000 kills 😔

The combat-oriented players often die before winter falls, meanwhile the long-runners are often hermits who rarely engage with zombies...

Only smart, combat-oriented, yet cautious players can get tens of thousands within a reasonable time frame

[proud cobalt]

My highest is 27,000 in 5 months, x8 louisville only

B41 modded

I dont have his death but that's what my pfp is based on

[rotund echo]

Stuart Babb

[proud cobalt]

[rotund echo]

ohhh, so your pfp is based on your Zomboid guy, ok

How tf did you get the hazmat suit I never seen it before

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hazmat_Suit

[rotund echo]

Extremely small chance in drug labs and exterminator trunks

bruh

[proud cobalt]

Yeah but modded changes that anyway

Got it off a zombie

[rotund echo]

sweet

[digital helm]

Did I study it? Yes. Do I remember anything about it? No. Probability was my least favourite topic

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i dont remember anything anymore either 😆

[lucid junco]

Why is it white background

If the image has no bg at all

[flint vapor]

Uh

[quartz bear]

Uh

[digital helm]

Should be fixed now. The container was hardcoded to white in the vector22 skin

[lilac wigeon]

Thank you for the updated loot table!

now, much like the chart of aiming for 70 80 90 percent accuracy, the pros and cons seems to be still b41 for all the firearms.

And question... do weapons even jam in 42? i havent seen it.

[rotund echo]

Apocalypse mode disable jamming

By default

[proud cobalt]

No firearms have had their pages updated to B42, i havn't been interested in learning about firearms to update them. The templates update automatically that's why we're kind of between stages right now

[digital helm]

Since we're in the middle of a build cycle, the focus for Calvy and I has predominantly been on automating what we can. Relying on others to actually update the written content on articles for now (exception of Calvy doing basic usage to pages missing it). So feel free to update things like the pros and cons, and really anything else 😄

[proud cobalt]

Yeah and standardising item articles, i'm 905 articles into my 3700 article list

[digital helm]

I don't know how you find these things... Fixed it for the next run

[digital helm]

Copy paste will do that 😄 Fixed it

[gloomy glen]

hey, is there a chance to capitalize Español in the langswitch? it may sound dumb but I can't stop thinking about it and it's somehow uncomfortable the inconsistencies(?)

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm

[digital helm]

It's built into mediawiki (the software for the wiki). Apparently lowercase is the standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language
A change like this would need to go through https://translatewiki.net/
While we could technically override it, if it's the localised standard, I'd rather keep it like that

[gloomy glen]

Oh crap. Thanks for the explanation!!

[digital helm]

Yeah, comes from way above us 😅

[lilac wigeon]

i play sandbox and theres no option i recall for that?

[languid kayak]

That's the chance to find a katana and on top it can be not-full dura, right?

or is the durability not randomized for it?

[rotund echo]

The one time I found a Katana Man in B41, the katana wasn't in mint condition

but it was still pretty high

[languid kayak]

Can't wait for B42 MP, I got an itch for B42 but I'd love to at least play with wife and playing with controller is unideal 😄 (I can manage, but wife wants me playing on KB+M so to not to die that much and she can't play with controller at all :P)

Plus, I still have the play-with-wiki-editors even/server in the back of the head 👀

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I don't know how it works specifically but attached weapons are often used

[rotund echo]

learn how to play B42 now

It got new metas

[proud cobalt]

Me too, I really want to play with my mate. And a server would be cool

[rotund echo]

These past months you've been holding off on playing B42 this whole time?

[proud cobalt]

I've played abiut 50 hours of B42. Nothing serious, mostly wiki testing

[languid kayak]

I did play, but not to experience the metas (crafting, animals, etc), so mostly theoretical knowledge and basic combat 😄

(plus metas change during balancing too)

[rotund echo]

You gotta help me! The Louisville checkpoint has an absolutely insane amount of zombies now!!!

[languid kayak]

MrDragon-Chrissy (currently hosing b42.com for those unaware) got us an offer, just gotta wait for the actual mp on b42 😄

[languid kayak]

Months yeah, mostly due to lack of time, prior to that I was just scapping my save each version, but I didn't get to play properly past 42.7 or something like that?

So it was mostly just different early games

Not raelly anything far I got compared to b42 😄

Ironically I think the furthest I got was during initial 42.0.0 lol

I will probably start again now (or after next patch), just to experience new default apolcalypse time, as I always found the default days to be too short

[rotund echo]

WE WILL LIVE IN LOUISVILE MY FRIEND

[lucid junco]

@serene sage I propose a change to the Knox Event page to include events on the overall time line

So like also include info from vhs, newspapers and such

[digital helm]

I'd say if they're relevant to the Knox Event, go ahead. But if it's just lore filler, it's not really relevant to a page about the Knox Event

[lucid junco]

I think ive talked about it before. Im thinking about including essentially every info about zomboid universe timeline, including the knox event itself

[digital helm]

Might be worth considering a new page then?

Or move the timeline to a standalone page

[versed sequoia]

Hello, does anyone here know spawn areas of Bulletin County Sheriff cars?

I mean these ones

[proud cobalt]

It probably has something to do with this map from @digital helm i'm not sure specifically which region bulletin county would be. #pzwiki_editing message

it may even be any area not specifically designated there

[versed sequoia]

I’ve mostly been to the new area

And the only time I saw it was the road event in Echo Creek

[digital helm]

Should be in ValleyStation from that map Calvy linked. Police vehicles will be this variant or the state trooper variant in that area

[versed sequoia]

Alright, thanks

[digital helm]

Not very common by the looks of it. Just the tiny area around the crossroads mall

[versed sequoia]

Muldraugh PD car is even more rare

Because the only place where you can find it in is Muldraugh

And Muldraugh PD does NOT spawn police cars in its parking space

[digital helm]

Yeah, and that one is one of 3 variants that it could be

[digital helm]

These should all be displayed now. Forgot I simplified the param. So should've been vehicle_part

[languid kayak]

I think the Knox Event Twitter timeline might get a separate place too; these are cool and defintiely great to have, but we'd also need a brief summary and not all of them are lore-heavy

[lilac wigeon]

the heatmap updates definitely drive concentration near specific furniture and buildings.

[lilac wigeon]

I think that would likely be best, with links on each timeline item back to the source of the lore

question, maybe I'm not looking in the right place. are there entries for environmental tiles that arent buildable / pick upable? specific instance, i was looking for a page for the chain link fences that you find to see if there was a listing of materials you can get from dismantling at specific welding levels, and... i don't think there IS a page for it? or any of the other types of walls and fences that you cant build?

[languid kayak]

We planned to cover furniture that are not movable, but in the end limited outselves to movable ones as per https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Seat_Yourself_Furniture – not really anyone actively working on this project at this moment though.

For things that could be built, pages could be created, if they aren't already, we should have some already. Notable exceptions also include stuff like Well

[lilac wigeon]

gotcha. thanks. was the plan to add unmovable, or would that basically be a new project that im apparently volunteering for....

[lilac wigeon]

and if we keep them seperate in tiles and subgroups like traversables, would we want to then update the names, so current fences would become Fences: Moveable and the new page would be Fences: Static, for example?

also, not sure if it was from a script import or something, but decorations > posters included the composters. removed them

[naive imp]

@lucid junco you're the logo wizard, could you add the straightened logo on this page when you have some time?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ol'_Rodney's_Countrytime_Steakhouse

@lilac wigeon the nowiki tag on the Project userbox makes it not display as a template, just plain text. (it removes wiki markup) I went ahead and fixed it for you on your user page so it displays correctly. Just letting you know, nothing you have to do on your end 😀

[languid kayak]

Depends 🤔 I think the simple stuff could be stretched to the seat yourself furniture if it wouldn't be that much. There was https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Spiffo's_Construction_Crew before too

[lilac wigeon]

yeah, i saw, but that project says its just around things you can build. im kinda interested in the stuff that you cant build or pickup, just ( sometimes) dissasemble

[lilac wigeon]

thanks!

[naive imp]

Np bro, welcome to the squad lol. If you got an issue or question just ping me or one of the other admins, usually at least one of us around almost all the time

[naive imp]

And also this one
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pleasant_Motel

[digital helm]

That was always something in the back of my head. @proud cobalt would know more about it, but I think the moveable and buildable ones were just easier to filter out and automate.
I'd like to eventually see all environmental tiles that have a function. Like how we do for a well

[digital helm]

I'd think they'd remain categorised together. Don't think there's any reason to separate them

[digital helm]

I set up a separate page for it because someone wanted to work on that. I don't know what happened to it 🤔

[serene sage]

sounds fun

if it will include some details irrelevant to the Knox Event then yeah it should be a new page

[proud cobalt]

In the end we found there's not a whole lot to say about unmovable, unbuildable, unusable tiles. The only ones we cover I believe are grass and water.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Grass
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Water

Oh yeah Well is a good one too, we did automate a lot of the process for furniture, as they are defined in the .tiles files with names. Unmovables dont have names defined, so any article names would be made up. Also tiles are still very WIP in B42 with many having the same name

Other tiles are hand placed on the map and usually aren't interactable by the player bar a sledgehammer. Like the iron bars for example. That's one where i could see a use for having a stub that says "Often used to prevent players entering gun shops, requires a sledgehammer to break"

Feel free to have a look at the data, this is our formatted data from the wiki parser. Specifically from newtiledefinitions.tiles it includes named and unamed tiles

Also if you like tiles i'd be happy to hand over the reigns of SYF, it's not my priority atm 😄

[lilac wigeon]

listings of what you can get for deconstructing the things you can deconstruct would be useful I think, and I have seen three posts in the last 2 months either here on discord or on the forums where people have pictures of the barricade that looks like metal bars for parking bikes asking about it, because nobody realizes that even though they look like metal they're actually wood and you need a hammer and saw to deconstruct them. there's not much to say, but what little there is is probably useful for somebody.

[proud cobalt]

That would be the CanScrap param in the json data

[lilac wigeon]

let me get my feet wet first, lol.

[proud cobalt]

Let me know if you need help with anything

[rotund echo]

Anyone ever seen the random house event where they have like, just one stripper there?

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stag_Do

[rotund echo]

No, not a wedding veil, I mean the bunny costume instead

The house also have a bunch of snacks on the floor too

[proud cobalt]

Is it B42 specific?

[rotund echo]

I'm not sure if it is B42 only, but I found it in B42, yes

[proud cobalt]

We havn't documented B42 random stories yet, but feel free to look through the B41 ones. Likely in building or survivor stories
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Randomized_stories

[languid kayak]

There's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Plowed_Land too

[rotund echo]

Does Aiming level 6 still remove penalties from panic when using guns in Build 42?

[proud cobalt]

I dont believe anyone here has done a deep dive on B42 firearms

[rotund echo]

I swear to God, if TIS actually removed that Aiming 6 buff, I will be so mad

it will be the final nail in the coffin for Zomboid guns

[proud cobalt]

Still plenty of unstable time for firearms feedback

[rotund echo]

I've tried to get back to guns in Build 42

but it is only grievances after grievances

[digital helm]

I wouldn't be surprised. From what I can tell, they were essentially redone from scratch. A lot of new firearm properties that we don't mention but probably should

[proud cobalt]

Yeah will need quite a bit of work, an undertaking in itself

[naive imp]

Animals have been sorely neglected too

I'm probably gonna make a reddit call to action post and see if we can get some help

[flat sun]

doesn't seem like it

i'm not going to deep dive on the new gun code because they keep changing it and they keep leaving in unused code to confuse us, but there is nowhere in 42's code that compares aiming level to 6, used or not

[naive imp]

Modders bout to go crazy with this one

How long until somebody makes a "build 41-42" community patch? I'd wager not long

[naive imp]

What's the status of Project Translations? And is Vibrance coming back? With the game being professionally translated for build 42, I wonder if that will impact wiki at all. Maybe people will translate more stuff then. I remember when I first joined up there were lots of people translating everything. Now it's just kind of a ghost town. Hell there aren't even that many active users these days. I feel like there used to be more.

[digital helm]

That's largely what we're waiting on. Nothing is being done on the automation side because we're still waiting for the b42 translations.
There's been a few people coming through and translating, but it's a huge job to do on your own.
Happy to remove Vibrance as leader and leave it vacant. Someone might then want it?

[digital helm]

I've been working on animals a bit. Nothing on the wiki yet, but this is all automated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_7 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3

[proud cobalt]

I put it down to B42 unstable but yeah not much in the way of editors let alone translators

[proud cobalt]

That might be best

[proud cobalt]

2000 articles done, 1300 to go

[flint vapor]

We already have such a project but it never got any traction

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Community_Modding_Projects

[naive imp]

I'm surprised. A sizeable portion of thr playerbase is like "grrr b42 annoying". I'd think they'd stick to it

Turns out classic humans complaining on socials and doing nothing to fix it lol

[flint vapor]

Mostly an issue of modders not picking up too much on it

[naive imp]

This community continues to surprise me

They'd treat such a modder like a god

[flint vapor]

Yea but that's not the reason we mod 😅

In fact, this tends to bring more trouble than anything to become a famous modder

[naive imp]

Right because then everyone spams your workshop comments and expects you to do 8 months of work in 8 minutes.

"uPdAtE wHeN

When you shut up lol

I could never. I greatly appreciate yalls work. This game wouldn't be the same without it

[flint vapor]

Yea

[languid kayak]

Also keep in mind most of TIS devs started as modders, too.

You could risk all TIS devs are modders even 😄 Though Lemmy and BInky's mods were for Civ and Sims 😄

[proud cobalt]

If anyone has ideas for PZwiki related channels now would be the time to mention them 😄

[digital helm]

I read that as pzwiki-liberated and thought we were going to war for a second

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I saw you updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dice_-_6-sided so you may take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dice (both appear to be 6-sided dies?)

[naive imp]

Irvington completed

About fuckin time, only took me SEVERAL MONTHS

Thanks @lucid junco for helping. Seriously you're a real one

[digital helm]

Looks great 👌 now we just need a patch that completely changes it

[naive imp]

Don't remind me

[proud cobalt]

That's what I get for typing on mobile at 3am

[proud cobalt]

Will have to check in game, the first one was autogen

[proud cobalt]

I know a lot of the sprites were placeholder but we still dont have any of this in game. Could be quite a lot more coming in B42

[lucid junco]

Np

[languid kayak]

still better than me typing on mobile at any other hour 😄

[rotund echo]

I should visit Irvington eventually in B42

What do you think about the way I'm redoing Topcrown Plaza?

[digital helm]

Looks like a good change to me

[naive imp]

Go crazy! Are you up to doing all the big skyscraper buildings? It would be a real big help in regards to the project. You seem to have a knack for them.

[rotund echo]

Yes, I will planning to cover Bateman and Orio too

[naive imp]

Just make sure not to have 8 million pages that say "this sky scraper has 8 billion floors and is mostly useless offices"

[rotund echo]

And also Louisville PD

I wonder if Spiffo HQ should have its own article

I don't think so ngl

[naive imp]

Probably not. It's just offices. I think leaving it in spiffos main page (which I recently updated) is good enough

[naive imp]

Agreed

[rotund echo]

Yeah Spiffo HQ is just a HQ, full of offices, it not a mixed use building

[naive imp]

I will add a little task to the project page for the skyscrapers (I think there is one but I will have to reformat it) and name you as in charge of that

[rotund echo]

I just took 27 screenshots of Topcrown Plaza xD

[naive imp]

Don't sweat about breaking something or anything, I'll fix it for ya if you do. Any questions about formatting, headers, whatever ping me I'm almost always available

[naive imp]

Bro I feel you. Back before bots took off I had to recaregorize almost all the existing location images MANUALLY

I thought I was gonna break my copy cut and paste keys on my keyboard

Now we have CalvyBot (and VaileasysBot too) for that

Vibrance did some helping too I believe

[rotund echo]

Tbf most of the few skyscrapers in this game are all pretty major buildings, too major to not have their own article

[naive imp]

Naming these pages may be a challenge. Some will have names but I'm sure there's notable ones that will not

Definitely going to put them in a separate section in the navbox

[rotund echo]

Only Louisville has skyscrapers

and the only one that isn't named is the gable-roofed one

[naive imp]

That's the only one? I was assuming there could be more.

Huh

[rotund echo]

You wouldn't find any building taller than 10 floors outside of Louisville

[naive imp]

Well yeah obviously lol they're all in Louisville

Ain't no other big ass city lol

[rotund echo]

Its literally just that office complex has skyscrapers as tall as that

[naive imp]

How many in total have you noted

[rotund echo]

Most other buildings not in downtown Louisville don't even reacch five floors

[naive imp]

That I noticed

[rotund echo]

Bateman, Orio, Topcrown, Spiffo HQ, and the gable-roofed one

[naive imp]

I was assuming there would be more. Seems I am incorrect on that front. I will take back my statement about naming difficulties.

Do feel free to hijack the original b41 page. I will add the appropriate revision ID to the template for the b41 version, as is present in many other location articles.

I'm gonna sleep now, it's 0448 here but first thing in the morning I'll get some stuff set up on the project page for ya

Make it nice and easy

[rotund echo]

Wtf Orio has a cinema in it???

[naive imp]

American excess my friend.

🦅

[rotund echo]

Looks like a hidden StarEPlex XD

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Topcrown_Plaza

Sweet, but how do I add the thing where it goes back to the B41 revision?

[rotund echo]

Man Orio Office Place really has a lot of double level rooms

[rotund echo]

What do you guys think of my WP gun shop overhaul?

I had to removed the advertisement, because I don't think it fits this incarnation anymore

[languid kayak]

you have to get an oldid number fron version history and add it as 2=number, but don't worry too much if you don't add it too, I'll probably do that later or someone else will 😛

2=number as an argument to pageversion template at the top that is

[rotund echo]

Hmm, so that's what the number at the end means, the id of that revision then?

Also, what is pzwiki_forum supposed to be for?

[proud cobalt]

The number after 2= links to a specific oldid/revision

[proud cobalt]

We're still working that out totally, meant to be a space for focussed discussion of topics

[rotund echo]

I found the Jackie Jaye coveralls!

Too bad they're broken though... you think this is saveable with Tailoring 8?

[languid kayak]

Was watching https://youtu.be/VRcv0TWTkxg?feature=shared&t=957 – it says that having Spiffo plushie reduced panic or increased happiness? I don't remember it being ever the case?

[naive imp]

@rotund echo if you want to replace an existing image, you don't have to upload a new one entirely. You can just upload a new version of the same image. Do this by clicking on the file and then scrolling down until you find "upload a new version of this file".

Technically it doesn't matter whether you upload a new one or update existing, but usually updating existing is easier.

At the end of the day not a big deal just informing you of something you may not have been aware of 😀

Topcrown looks good btw

[lilac wigeon]

personally, I'd think adding a list of the specific world containers ( x wood crates, x glass top cases, x shelves)?

[flint vapor]

Doing lots of category creation to categorize the modding projects a bit since there's a lot of them now

Also, navigation section goes to heaven

Hmm, when you're halfway through the categorization process for all the modding projects and find a flaw in your method

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

A problem for future me

[digital helm]

Not a solution I'm fond of, but you could use {{clear}} above the navigation header to push it below the infobox

[digital helm]

Been there plenty 😄

[naive imp]

Not a fan of this. Adds unnecessary detail. Most people won't care anyway, they just want to know what is where. Due to how many locations there are in the game, it is key to limit the needs for maintenance as much as possible due to the fact that locations cannot be automated.

It's one of the few key aspects of the wiki that must be done mostly manually, hence why they've lagged behind for a while until me and sharpgolden did a ton of work

[naive imp]

Take it from me, you're better off fixing it now

I learned that the hard way

[digital helm]

I agree. Roomdefs would be as far as you'd want to go imo

[naive imp]

I wouldn't even go that far. Some are broken atm

Namely the pork factory in Irvington

Office loot spawns in cardboard boxes in a shipping room next to processing area?

Where pigs are processed into meat

Yeah that makes sense

[digital helm]

I guess we link to the map anyway, so could just turn on roomdefs there

I just wish there was a better way to see what loot is where. Because unless you know where some of the obscurely named roomdefs are, the loot tables don't help much

[naive imp]

Like I said, 99 percent manual effort

Sharpgolden went to a shitload of places in debug and checked experimentally. I use a combination of roomdefs and that same technique

It gets exhausting at times but the more you do it the more you know what is typically where and it gets easier

[proud cobalt]

2500 articles checked, 750 to go

[languid kayak]

When browsing recent changes, I noticed this https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Tailor&curid=154705&diff=1055449&oldid=1055443

Will probably reword it a little, but do we want to include such info (noting traits that don't modify the foraging as well as the starting points, I think we had this discussion? I think it was either @digital helm or @proud cobalt but maybe it was someone else discussing it here?)

[lucid junco]

Project zomboid youtuber had spread misinformation and lies?

[proud cobalt]

Don't think it was me, im ok either way, but usually lean on the side of dont mention it if it doesnt effect it. Comes more into play for items like It doesnt do XYZ

I can see reason in including if it doesnt effect foraging though for traits

[lucid junco]

While tedious, it does give the most accurate results to how things are in game

[lucid junco]

I think using gallery two times is something I was told not to

But a fine solution overall

[flint vapor]

I think it's fine, can easily make a script to automate it. The issue isn't bad either

Basicallt I made subcategories but I keep all the pages in the main one, so it's easily to scroll the full list projects instead of doing subcategory by subcategory

But then thought maybe I should have kept the main category for misc projects

[digital helm]

Not sure if it was me either. I don't see the need to mention that something doesn't do something, unless it's expected that it would. I don't see the connection between tailoring and foraging.
Don't think the radio terminology is very reader friendly here either.

[digital helm]

It's discouraged, yeah. Unless it's absolutely necessary, such as on the Spiffo page. Comes down to the number of images, I think.

[rotund echo]

I just took 23 images of Orio Office Place

Ok, how do I make sure this change takes effect in the article?

[proud cobalt]

It will update automatically, can take up to 24 hours for the cache to update

[rotund echo]

Oh, I thought I was doing something wrong

When I tried to link to that file in the infobox, it just showed the old version

[rotund echo]

So it just updates automatically?

[languid kayak]

Well, it's komp, someone I watch, I always found their videos informative, but this one is kinda messy with the iceberg format and contains some misinformation and goes over topics (mostly touching lore bits and bobs from the transcripts)

[proud cobalt]

Yep

[languid kayak]

Usual wiki editor life 👌

[languid kayak]

Also, when you realize some random casing https://i.imgflip.com/a1lt98.jpg

[languid kayak]

if we ever do that, best for it to be automated in a similar fashion than the loot is. Technically doable, just even harder than the loot is

I think counting vehicle spaces should be technically doable with a script too

Or things like area of a building or a number of movable tiles (the latter I mentioned somewhere IIRC), as that's the same data procesed as map. It'd be a long-term-goal if any, require some advanced parsing of the map data, may need some extra power/scripting than the script/txt files parsing, though Calvy did some initial work for tiles already

[languid kayak]

That's also some long-term plan for me 😄 Noting these oddities errors for them to be easily forwarded to TIS if needed for fixing eventually. That could even stretch as far as aiding mappers lives if we could technically automate that (I remember the hunts for buildings without a light switch back before b41 on forums); not sure if mapper tools evolved to note rooms without light switches nowadays 🤔 Would be nice to show them, though a bunch is definitely intentional.

A category similar to https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Category:Bugs could be made then, with templates listing these minor issues. So far I dump them to trivia

[rotund echo]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Orio_Office_Place Redone Orio for Build 42, what do you think?

Its just gonna take awhile for my replacement Orio office.png image to replace the old one...

[languid kayak]

Example of how bug template is used: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/A_Chance_Encounter#Notes
{{bug| Sometimes the [[Spirit of Life]] summoned by [[Ministry Purger]]s appears as an allied target.}}

https://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Template:Bug

There's also this: https://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Template:Anomaly

Both would actually be easy to implement, so maybe better doint that sooner than later so at least things can be slowly merged? Thoughs @digital helm @proud cobalt? (on adding but and anomaly or something like that to our mboxes)

[languid kayak]

a day or so, yeah 😄

[rotund echo]

Sucks, but will happen eventually

Now I gotta overhaul Bateman and that's all the skyscrapers done

[languid kayak]

The point discussion was something we discussed definitely 🤔 Maybe it was Lethal suggesting it? It was for custom occupation being confusing

Seems it was here? #pzwiki_editing message @digital helm

but yeah, we (you) basiaclly changed the infobox to reflect that 🤔

[digital helm]

We could do this like a tag (e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Verify). Would be simple enough to extract them all with a bot too and generate a report of all bugs reported on the wiki

[languid kayak]

as far as foraging yeah, though with so many traits modifying that I get the reasoning.

Radio was definitely a thing I'd change to radius 😄

The issue with foraging is that I think that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging is technically not up-to-date, not sure how many boni has changed

[digital helm]

Tomorrow you'll wonder why it still hasn't updated, and realise you need to refresh your browser's cache

[languid kayak]

yeah, if we start properly classifying the oddities, we can easily cross-check them, especially as we track version with pagever then

[digital helm]

oh, yeah I remember saying that. I misread and thought you were meaning including redundant info 😄
Still stand by that btw

[languid kayak]

Although I think tailor being a new profession and having absolutely no modifiers if that's true may be omission as even custom occupation has modifiers in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging#Occupation

[rotund echo]

Damn it

[languid kayak]

Foraging is kinda hit-and-miss as it's on one hand overhauled but on the other one ofter with minor issues here and there and constantly being polished not always with unison of the new content being added 😄

as in balacing changes/loot and missing forging zones; new traits/occupations being added may be similar

[rotund echo]

Hey man, as long as I am finding those sharp flint flakes, is all good to me xD

Proper axe for cutting trees is rarer now in B42 😦

[digital helm]

Now that we have the foraging categories (and one day zones), it'll probably need a slight redesign, redirecting to different pages instead of displaying most of the tables

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Amphora&curid=148053&diff=1055509&oldid=1000963 anyone know when does it changed? Listing the explicit version there would be better, if not I'll dig through the patch notes later 😛

[digital helm]

How's this?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Bug
Example usage:
{{Bug|description|version}}
Optionally add a link:
{{Bug|description|version|link}}

Didn't create the category until we're happy

[proud cobalt]

Looks good to me

[digital helm]

Any excuse to use

[flint vapor]

What's dis owo

[proud cobalt]

A template for bugs, probably useful for modding lol

[flint vapor]

Yup very much

Can it link to the official forums for a report ?

Also the page doesn't show a proper example ?

Tho I'm on my phone walking rn

So might have missed those

[digital helm]

yeah, just repalce link with the end of the url i.e. 43261-read-here-first-bug-reporting-guideformatting/.

Could do with a proper example. I can do that later

[flint vapor]

I can assure you I already know where to use this

Well

This didn't work

{{Bug|Leaving the text entry to blank and saving the mod options will break your game. If that happens, you need to replace the empty string instance with text manually inside the <code>modOptions.ini</code> file.|42.10.0|85637-42100-rev30053-modoptions-textentry-empty-strings-stop-the-game-from-loading/}}

Yeaaaa

[digital helm]

Remove the code tags

That string goes in the title attribute of a tag, so can't have any other tags

[flint vapor]

I hate how this is presented I'm gonna be honest

I cannot use this in modding articles

[digital helm]

A bug mbox may be better for modding

[flint vapor]

The reason is that this just says "bug" and uses tooltips which isn't something commonly used around the wiki (where do you ever use tooltips on embed links in the wiki ?), so basically people come in the section and see "bug" which links to a technical bug report

Maybe a "bug" type for Note

Or directly mbox

Yea

But idk this way of presenting doesn't look right in comparison with everything else

Even outside of modding ?

You got notes, you got mboxes everywhere and you end up with this tiny Bug icon ? This sounds too different to how everything else is presented in the wiki usually ?

Unless this is supposed to be used as a tag at the end of sentences talking about specific features ?

[digital helm]

that's the intention yeah

like verify, or citation needed

[flint vapor]

I see

I guess I can look into making that mbox

[digital helm]

Feel free. This was only created after Faal threw out the idea only 2 hours ago 😄

[flint vapor]

What should I name it tho since Bug is already used now ?

[digital helm]

Bug_notice ? Not ideal, but I can't think of anything else

[flint vapor]

BugBox ?

[digital helm]

Honestly, that works

[flint vapor]

Yea I'm going with that

I'm making it rn

[proud cobalt]

400 articles left 😄

[flint vapor]

I should keep the hidecat functionality right and add the page to Articles with known bugs ?

[languid kayak]

Articles with known bugs might be reworded to state that these are game bugs I guess?

"Articles featuring game bugs"?

[flint vapor]

Perhaps

That's a problem for future us lol

Also any info about the Move bug I keep getting ?

[languid kayak]

Won't get listed in the site mainteneance anyway, at least not table, as the general idea is that what's inside a table is something that needs attention from us; these are mostly to list those things so we can find them easily for cross-referencing/reporting/getting fixed 🙂

(or just keep an eye on, if they change between hotfixes)

[languid kayak]

haha, that too yeah 😄

[flint vapor]

True

Green bug

[languid kayak]

oh and I though we'd use mbox for that, but I think the note in a fashion similar to delete works too 😄

[languid kayak]

maybe we can make mbox for everything?

exactly like the note is used just for regular pages as well?

[flint vapor]

That's why that got me confused how this Bug template was used

[languid kayak]

on GWW it's masically an mbox equivalent 🤔

Though we generally often use mboxes for pages/sections as a whole, so I get the reasoning to go the way of verify 😄 Both are valid approaches I guess

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:BugBox

Might want to change some colors

Also might evolve to allow not having a link or version at all

But I like it, the bug do be cute

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModOptions#Text_entry

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Mboxes#List_of_mboxes

Added it to here too

<@&671452400221159444>

jeez

[rotund echo]

They never stop trying don't they

[flint vapor]

Yea ...

It's getting annoying

[rotund echo]

I think it is part of an automation it must be like

[flint vapor]

Of course it's automated

[languid kayak]

yeah, I like it, both can co-exist actually, similar we have verify for both iirc

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Unverified for mbox and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Verify for inline

tbf, I think we should add the other one to see also, I just realized they aren't cross-linked lol

[languid kayak]

they both coexisted @digital helm, so I guess the same for bugs is sane? Just not sure about the naming, do we want to unify them somehow or not really?

I always confuse the two verified ones 😄

oh, we have some dupes after all:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Spiffo_Farmer.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Steam_Tip6.jpg

I'm also thinking what to do with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SpiffoFarmer.png are we gonna have these for all the skills? There's only a few of those images to match 🤔

It's currently used on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Quentinlamamy/Wip_agriculture_42_FR

and yeah, we did have the steam cards uploaded @digital helm 😄 Just not on Steam page:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo#Steam

Although the one on wiki are of lesser(?) quality than the one on Steam:

wiki: https://pzwiki.net/w/images/e/e2/Spiffo_Fighter.jpg 200207 bytes
Steam: https://cdn.fastly.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/items/108600/edcc9a23b4f5b5366910dbc2f9721cd1581fca39.jpg 200207 bytes

I don't see the difference myself, but there is something

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-song-they-dont-stop-comming-dance-gif-13758880

[naive imp]

In all honesty, I think our automation efforts are better focused elsewhere, at least for now. Items and more technical information would be a higher priority than locations imo. I can still handle the workload for now.

Besides, once they are actually finished, it's one of the few things that are unlikely to change significantly over the course of the game, especially that they changed already with B42. It's not like we're working with 7 Days To Die here.

The main use of automation for locations imo would be automated formatting changes in case other things change. The pages themselves should be mostly manual.

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak I believe it is you who had suggested me yt-dlp to download thumbnails, have you ever had an issue with youtube asking you to confirm you're not a bot ?

[languid kayak]

huh, not yet, but was a while. Maybe it was introduced recently

[flint vapor]

I managed to make it work for another video

So idk but this one I just couldn't download for some reasons

[flint vapor]

Should I not do that ? 😅

[flint vapor]

Do we have the file icon of the forums ?

<@&671452400221159444>

[wary stratus]

thank ya

[digital helm]

I like that

[digital helm]

I'm just not sure that we need a big banner for something like this that's likely just a sentence. I'd use an mbox for something that you want to make obvious to the reader.

[languid kayak]

The one in GWW is subtle, but I get how ours can be way too obvious

[digital helm]

Page moving should be fixed. Are you still getting it?

[flint vapor]

sec I'll try

Works thx !

[digital helm]

We could... May wait until September though? When we look at other similar things

[digital helm]

Most map data is also not easily accessible. So wouldn't be something I'd personally want to look at for a very long time.
The things that are easily accessed, are more for other areas, like parking zones and foraging zones.

[digital helm]

Not sure what icon you mean

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Favicon.png

[digital helm]

If you edit a category then do a batch upload, it'll add them all to that category. Saves having to add the category manually

[digital helm]

I don't think we did

[flint vapor]

Didn't knew

[flint vapor]

Icon should probably get renamed at some point, but this is simply the favicon.iso from the website

Also it's blury as shit because I scaled it too much I think lol

Ah nah it's just Discord embed

And yea I keep forgetting about categories for images

[naive imp]

You can put the category in the comments when you upload them you don't have to edit afterwards

[proud cobalt]

There's so... many... clothing items

[proud cobalt]

Ok. Finally. 3254 articles standardized, i skipped:

Evolved recipe products
Particularly complex items
Autogen items
Unfinished items
Vehicle parts
Firearms
Firearm parts
Plants, particularly newer ones
Seeds
Radios/TVs
Anything i was unsure of

[digital helm]

Pretty incredible stuff

[proud cobalt]

Majority of this is media, locations, and outfits. Locations is making good progress. Outfits i was gonna look at soon.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_41

[digital helm]

I looked at media transcript changes very early on in b42, and there were almost no changes. More grammar and business name changes than anything. Should take another look and fix them up manually

[proud cobalt]

Do we output media transcripts or just radio?

[digital helm]

Not in the parser. It was done by Ksilem with https://github.com/KBheid/PZ_CDAndVHS I have the core of it set up in the parser, just need to write a script to generate it in that output

At least I think that's how it went down

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah i see it now

[proud cobalt]

I have Ksilems templates too

[digital helm]

tbh I could probably do this tonight. Everything is set up for it

[proud cobalt]

In case you want them

[languid kayak]

yeah, something like an end goal/final boss so to speak 😄 But till then we might as well get deep down in NPC stuff 😆

[languid kayak]

Vehicle parts I kinda worked on, but stopped to catch up with the summary 😄 Will do over weekend if I skim some time

[light river]

Hi, I want to apologise first if this is the wrong place to ask this. I have translated a Wiki page/article to my native language on official wiki, but I got banned for "external links" reason, even though only thing I did was translating the words only. How and where do I appeal for this?
nevermind, I found it out

[naive imp]

Locations will be handled by myself or hopefully another editor if they come forward. At the moment I'm focusing on the newly added 42 towns so they don't fall behind.

[flint vapor]

Hey some other modders found this page
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Testing_mods_in_multiplayer
It however looks a bit outdated and isn't even in the modding section

A guide which explains something similar was made by a modder
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3537793381

A guide not a guy 😭

I got so confused at that reaction albion lol

[languid kayak]

Yeah, it was automatic filter that got you, but should be settled now 🙂 Thanks for contributing!

[light river]

You're welcome! Happy to help.

[languid kayak]

Outfits was my pet peeve back then after you added them, I think the gray/white background we have in character creator may be good to have actually, especially now that the default preview is bigger? And I think we kinda standardized the naming to avoid extra (Female) and (Male), for linkability, not sure you adjusted the scripts since? I did a lot of disambigs for those too, not sure if {{About}} and ==See also== wouldn't be enough for a bunch though 🤔

[languid kayak]

I actually though it's older, but apparently it's from 2023 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Testing_mods_in_multiplayer&action=history But yeah, things has changed a lot since you take care of modding, back then we had pretty much nothing except a few autogenerated pages by Aiteron and few folks and whatever was in modding home page so we (I) kept that page. Since things has changed, I'm not sure if it's so terribly important/needed if there's better things for that on Steam guides?

[flint vapor]

We can keep it that's fine, tho probably move it in the modding category for the time being

I moved it

[languid kayak]

yeah, it'd be better, especially as it's in the modding navbox already 😄

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Aiming_I:_"Better_Aiming"&curid=118847&diff=1073949&oldid=1056719 I assume it's correct? As in aiming books having 2x lower modifier than the regular skill books/

I never checked myself 😄

[rotund echo]

Bro I read Aiming III book, I hoped I would get 8x booster, but I only got 4x booster

Oh yeah I also seen one guy read Aiming I book, he only got 1.5x booster

Also why the fuck is Leafhill Heights Offices so weirdly infested, holy shit

[languid kayak]

so yeah, seems correct 😄

aiming is always nerfed apparently

[flint vapor]

Wait what is #1399055283392872538

[digital helm]

Ya same with long blade. These are up-to-date https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skill_book

[digital helm]

Forum for pzwiki 😄

[flint vapor]

What for ?

[digital helm]

Not sure what to do with it yet, but people can post there if they don't want to disturb us here I guess

[flint vapor]

There's already so little convo here I don't get why we have that...

We never get multiple convo cases

[digital helm]

Half the problem here I feel is because we have so many different conversations. That could allow longer term discussion

[flint vapor]

This just splits the few discussions we have in 2 channels now

[proud cobalt]

Not really

It's for long term discussion of a specific topic or requests

[rotund echo]

Damn, at least grinding to L. Blade 7 will be easier 😭

I had L. Blade 6 once in B41... it was legendary

[proud cobalt]

L blade 10 is legendary

I had it in B41

[rotund echo]

Sweet, but I imagine it took long and a lot of kills, unless you use mod XP boosters

[rotund echo]

I want L. Blade 10 in B42 now, since we can make swords and also have the book

[languid kayak]

Was changed here too: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Skill_book&curid=3166&diff=1084431&oldid=1059661

I think this redirect was supposed to be without : @proud cobalt? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Reloading_II:&redirect=no not sure if that's the only one?

[digital helm]

Not the only one https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Reloading_I:&redirect=no https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Reloading_III:&redirect=no

[proud cobalt]

Oops, will fix

[languid kayak]

@digital helm now that we have the checkmark in page version for unsable, maybe we could update the ones for the stable in advance as well? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Page_version#Example

Also not sure if the spiffo for outdated one is fitting anymore; maybe just use the new checkmark/crosses for them or something like that?

@flint vapor I think that SteamCMD page doesn't require page version as it's not directly related to PZ? Kinda similar how we do that in pages like Steam itself:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/SteamCMD

Also, the last note with curl -X, would it work on mac and Windows? Is curl installed by default on WSL and will people know how to use it? Not sure mac has curl as well?

[flint vapor]

Yea we can remove the version true, as for curl idk jackshit about mac

[languid kayak]

I think adding a note about SteamCMD and linking to one another might be a good idea? Since you revamped this page recently @lucid junco pinging you too 😄

[flint vapor]

People can easily find the equivalent anyway

[languid kayak]

and Windows?

[flint vapor]

No idea either, I'm fully on Linux now

You can always install a bash interpreter anyway, but yea idk, it's not my field and I don't know the details of these command

[languid kayak]

yeah, can't check myself too 😄

windows has wsl nowadays, and curl should be in pretty much any distro, but not sure how technical people would be 😄

[flint vapor]

Yea people can look it up

I just noted it because I was curious about it and found how to do it

[languid kayak]

maybe I'll add some note to it eventually, if I won't forget 😄

I actually though of actually some OS-related templates, to e.g. mark quirks that work only on certain OSes. Currently paths to file use Windows' \ instead of /, though not sure how could it be solved and if it's even viable/good idea to think of.

It'd probably require some javascript for such a niche thing lol

[flint vapor]

That could be interesting

The place where it could possibly be used is here:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Game_files#Cache_folder

[languid kayak]

PCGW just lists all OSes separately in that case: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Project_Zomboid#Configuration_file.28s.29_location

[flint vapor]

Yea that would be the idea I think

[flint vapor]

This link is interesting because I've yet to find a proper indication of where the cache folder is found on Linux by default, also the game literally doesn't give a fucking shit and doesn't even show the folder they are looking for lol

Unless that's due to proton

I'll test without proton

[languid kayak]

ah, proton may be the case. BTW, why Proton and not native out of curiosity?

[flint vapor]

Yea that was due to proton

[flint vapor]

Reason is I get issues without Proton where my game just can't be in fullscreen

Or I mean, windowed fullscreen properly it seems

I got my panel bar in front of the game

And the issue with true fullscreen is that the game takes ages to load, and when you're modding you keep switching back and forth

Tho I didn't take the time to look it up so maybe I'll find something regarding that

[languid kayak]

is it xorg or wayland?

altertively you can try launching it with gamescope

[flint vapor]

Uh how do I check that ?

[languid kayak]

what distro/de is that :D?

[flint vapor]

Mint

[languid kayak]

I think it's xorg by default, but you can check it too, forgot to command, sec

echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE should be enough

[flint vapor]

x11

[languid kayak]

might try switching to Wayland, but Calvy said that wayland is buggy in mint anyway, and both Steam and PZ are not wayland-nativel anyway (PZ can be forced running Wayland, but it's unsupported and buggy and didn't work for me last time I checked)

[flint vapor]

Which distro do you use ?

[languid kayak]

Arch, btw 😄

[flint vapor]

Ah yea, madness

[languid kayak]

Going strong since 2016 💪

[flint vapor]

What are xorg and wayland exactly ?

[flint vapor]

Going from this year

So still learning a lot

[languid kayak]

display protocols, xorg is the one used since 1990s, evolved to be stable but nowadays Wayland is taking over as it's more secure and supports stuff like HDR, but it had a slow adoption and some niche stuff is still being ironed out. But distros are moving over slowly.

More on this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland (basically arch wiki is best for everything, no matter the distro :P)

[proud cobalt]

X11 is default on mint you can choose wayland at login

[languid kayak]

But yeah, for PZ you can try fiddling with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamescope it should have documentation and man pages too

[proud cobalt]

Vscode doesnt support wayland

[flint vapor]

I'll test that out thx

[flint vapor]

Yeaaaa that's not going to do it for me

[languid kayak]

Electron and CEF-based things mostly, yeah 😄

some work natively but are buggy, generally xorg stuff works too, but goes through xwayland (performance is not really affected, but may be some quirks). Wayland is easier to configure, but if you don't do it yourself, then it's up to distro on what they use that works better

[flint vapor]

Hmm this looks like a rabbithole in itself that I don't have the motivation to dig into right now 😅

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=426482

[languid kayak]

The moment I see wget is the moment I'm scared 😄

[flint vapor]

From my understanding of it, it's not available in mint and you need to build it yourself

Also something which I'm not sure how to interprete is this

New gamescope requires wayland 1.23 which is newer than 1.22 that comes with Mint repository. You can download and double click on .deb files to install them (you can simply copy all of this code and paste into terminal using Ctrl + Shift + V to download all at once):

Tho you don't use Wayland, you're using xorg ?

So that means gamescope works for xorg ?

[languid kayak]

I think you can install it from flatpak?

gamescope is a wayland compositor that's running in xorg, yeah, complicated 😄

but it allows for stuff like FSR or better management of screen sizes and such. Gamescope was built for and is used in Steam Deck's game mode

I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:VisualEditor a little @proud cobalt I guess we need it mostly as it's linked as such in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Tags ? ( found the link while patrolling the page).

Not sure how to unstub it though 😄

[flint vapor]

Tho looking it up it seems it needs Steam installed with flatpak

idk I'm not sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1h1lz4n/easy_setup_of_gamescope_on_steam_flatpak/

And I didn't install from flatpak if I'm not mistaken, I installed from the deb install from Steam's website

[digital helm]

That'd work. I'll probably upload in the coming days some time

[proud cobalt]

All recorded media should now be up to date for B42. With that done there's 108 items left in B41. I'm going to try get those done

[digital helm]

To expand on this, we've changed the transcript to instead have an icon next to the line to show its effect, rather than the tooltip that can't be viewed on mobile. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/No_9#Transcript
This will eventually be expanded to radio data too.
@serene sage to keep you in the loop

[rotund echo]

Is that one of the welding tapes?

Speaking of that, wtf is this

This is a badly edited Survivor preset Spiffo 😭

[digital helm]

That is fine art

[rotund echo]

Wait... Calvy made it?

[proud cobalt]

Yes hello I made this as part of leading Spiffo's constitution crew project

Was my second month on the wiki 😂

[rotund echo]

constitution crew?

[proud cobalt]

Construction* mobile

[rotund echo]

Lol auto-correct xD

[proud cobalt]

Was the first project I worked on. This is for the b41 Metalworking page rework

[digital helm]

it constitutes construction

[proud cobalt]

Oh actually it might not be done. Looks like the Infobox didn't get done properly

[digital helm]

Even if not, it should get updated the next updater run, right?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah once I actually add the VHS and disc exception lol

So probably 42.11

[digital helm]

more exceptions

[proud cobalt]

Well, more removing exceptions, now that the full infoboxes work for VHS AND we have page name based infoboxes, I should just be able to remove those

The less exceptions the better

[digital helm]

The iterations and I headaches I went through before I realised I could just generate them based on the page name...

[rotund echo]

No way, two in one Home VHS spawns

I also never thought I'd ever see Tailoring 101 o.O

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520>s
The PZwiki feedback survey is live now! Have your say on the future of PZwiki.
https://forms.gle/fzNgTMf98R4GG8To8

Don't want this ping? Remove the wiki editor role in id:customize

[flint vapor]

Done

[serene sage]

done as well

[proud cobalt]

This has obviously become an issue across Wikipedia. It's something we're going to discuss handling during the wiki review too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

[zinc gulch]

ai? 🤮 !!!

[rotund echo]

Time to make ChatGPT do all the unfinished wiki pages

[snow rivet]

Should the Infoboxes for Drainable light items have a "Battery/Propane efficiency"?

I feel like that's useful info for the average player. My issue would be, I don't think "UseDelta=0.00057" vs "UseDelta=0.0008" is the right way to convey that to readers.

[proud cobalt]

Infobox, or usage yeah. Probably just a unit/time of usage and how long it will last in that specific item

[snow rivet]

Maybe if I did some testing to see what those actually end up being across a large sample size, formatted for "Battery Life (from full): X hrs"

[proud cobalt]

It wouldnt need a large sample size, would just need to know the unit of time

Because we know its use delta we just need to know the time between uses of that delta

[snow rivet]

ohh true. Alright, I'mma just DO IT, instead of meekly asking

1: Be Bold

[proud cobalt]

Let us know how you go or if you need any help 😄 Feel free to add your findings to the light source section, any additions to the infobox would get overriden by the bot, but once you do the calculation we may be able to add it as a parameter to the infobox. It would be good to know how long a torch/radio/propane lanturn lasted turned on constantly

[flat sun]

what a use actually means is contextual to what the item actually is, but for something like a flashlight that drains while equipped it's one use per in-game minute

[proud cobalt]

So a 0.007 use delta would last 142.9 minutes

[flat sun]

yeah, i'm not sure exactly how it resolves non-integers but i'd assume regular rounding rules

[proud cobalt]

The light sources should all be in this category

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Light_sources

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt it seems that the code section in tires for standard vehicles was not updated.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tire_-_Old_(Standard_Vehicle)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tire_-_Regular_(Standard_Vehicle)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tire_-_Performance_(Standard_Vehicle)

Seems to be the case for three trunk lids too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Standard_Vehicle)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Heavy-Duty_Vehicle)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Sports_Vehicle)

Something's wrong here @digital helm btw 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer_Trunk_(Standard_Vehicle)

|vehicle_part=[[Egg Container]]<br>[[Food Container]]<br>[[Trailer]]

[languid kayak]

Okay, I updated all the parts except trunks now. Maybe will do that tomorrow, but I'll see.

[digital helm]

I hate vehicle parts...

[serene sage]

finally had some time to actually take a look, I think it looks pretty good (on top of being an obvious plus for mobile)

also my two week summer camp shift is finally over so I'm gonna return to active wiki editing pretty soon

[naive imp]

Damn they're everywhere these days man

[proud cobalt]

Unfortunatly part of a public discord

[digital helm]

Just wish we had proper skill icons. I've made sure to be consistent with the item infobox and skill pages though

[digital helm]

Move this to File:Favicon_Forum.png and updated the template. Added the wiki's favicon as it instead

[digital helm]

This is correct btw. I'll just update the links to be trailer instead. TrailerTrunk is used for egg and food container

[proud cobalt]

The updater hasn't run since the articles were changes to item infoboxes 😄 Should update next patch

90 items remain in B41, mostly firearms and parts, not exactly the most interesting to me

[digital helm]

New item page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item Still missing a lot of info I wanted to add, but been sitting on this for too long

[languid kayak]

I missed that too, so had to scroll up, but yeah, these are neat!

[languid kayak]

oh, that's interesting then

[languid kayak]

There's some common items there 🤔 Guess they require most work to clean up? Not that much, can add the list to B42 project similar to what we do with localisations

[proud cobalt]

Most groups of items will need some extra attention, like seeds / plants, guns / parts

I'll get to them though

[languid kayak]

Looks nice, for the types/categories you mirrored what's in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list basically?

[languid kayak]

yeah, got impressed how https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance shrunk 😄 Now what's mostly left now are models

Although I'm aware that things like outfits will probably pop once you get to them 😄

BTW, I was taking a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Editor_tasks yesterday, I think they could be updated?

Splits are mostly done, though there are some items (mostly clocking) marked with * in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list (202 results for *), I think vehicle parts will update with the next script run for this though and a lot of them are tiles.

Elblow pads and stuff I touched in #pzwiki_editing message

[digital helm]

They're just the items nav, but with icons. Influenced by the in-game categories

[digital helm]

I use wikis for many games, and pzwiki is certainly among the better ones compared to other game wikis.
Someone on reddit. Seen a lot of support for the wiki lately 💚

[languid kayak]

Okay, all the individual vehicle part pages are now updated, barred these 6 that should update next time updated is run.

All the generic pages are updated too, following the recent changes in infobox removing traing .0 and linking to category, since they have to be updated by hand and brought to the recent version.

The generic text is now linked in the main pages and not repeated on the individual ones, so less text duplication, mainteneance burden, yay 🥳. And the item pages all have basic usage and should be automatically updated from now on.

Few caveats:
the types of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Glove_Box https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer_Trunk and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk might need checked which vehicles have which one, not sure how uniform it is, especially for trailers

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Double_Rear_Door#Repairing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Front_Door#Repairing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rear_Door#Repairing have the same fixing listing all types and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk#Repairing has repairing for individual pages; not sure if that's better to keep on the main page or move to individual ones (recipes seems to be the same). Also not sure how up to date it is; not sure if the fixing template is due to some revamps @digital helm?

And generic texts could use some checkups, as it was mostly copy-pasted from 41.78.16; not much has changed from vehicles too.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Engine and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spare_Engine_Parts still need updates (maybe I'll do that next)

Finally, tires can be used as a fuel now (how ecological!), not sure we should list it as usage explicitly? Maybe I'll do that too later, will compare with other fire sources.

Oh and these two technically are parts that needs updating too:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Radio
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ham_Radio

I added the vehicle navbox in addition to the item one for these.

Maybe I'll get to update the walkie-talkie and tv as well.

One minor nit @digital helm should this be Communication https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Communication or Communications? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Communications

[languid kayak]

Items can be placed in the world, either as furniture, or a 3D model, however items don't have a “place” option, and instead need to be dropped, such as with a generator.
I think you wanted to say "some" items? Though there are technically still some items without 3D models out there, mostly the ones only spawnable in debug mode but still

Might do some minor edits to the text in here, but I guess we can then move the non-English pages so https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Suppressed_articles will finally be clear :P?

not sure we'll need the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Suppressed template then anymore? (and the category)

[digital helm]

All parts are based on the vehicle type. i.e. 1 = standard, 2 = heavy duty, 3 = sports. All trailers are 1 (standard).

Could move fixing to individual pages, then we can automate it. Though I think they're all the same between each vehicle type. So maybe on the parent page is fine?
For fixing, we have 2 systems. 1) the old system which this template uses (firearms and vehicle parts), and 2) crafting (weapons). So I don't see this template getting changed any time soon

For fuel, there's a lot of items that can be used as fuel, so may be tricky to keep this updated if something changes if it's in the page body. This should also be listed in the infobox, which is automated.

[digital helm]

if they don't have a 3D model, I'd assume that'd be a bug. They're still covered by the second part of the sentence. But yeah, missing a word there

[digital helm]

Just keep in mind everything in properties will be rewritten. This is mostly just what was on the page before

[digital helm]

Probably not

[proud cobalt]

We should keep it for unstable, we never know when/if they will drop a bomb of recipes

But ok empty

[digital helm]

If you wanted to see what else I had planned for the page, I've got notes here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

[languid kayak]

oh, also a minor nit, shouldn't https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item#Types_of_items be simply "Types"?

[digital helm]

🤷 either or

[languid kayak]

could also mention item list from debug mode somewhere in the page

[digital helm]

I'll add that. Not in any detail though, that should be done elsewhere

[languid kayak]

Not touching the page yet since you may be working on it, but I'll probably check it later too, it's heavily linked so best to be concise, but point to everything relevant 😄

Also, it seems that in the end https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Inventory page stays?

[digital helm]

I was still undecided. May be better to keep it, otherwise the item page may end up really cluttered

[languid kayak]

It's Communications it seems, I guess we should move the page? or are we insisting on keeping it singular?

and should we shorten that to "Ammo" as well? Matches the in-game name.

[digital helm]

it used to be communicaitons, but moved it to singular to be consistent with all the others. This is inspired by categories, not a direct copy

[languid kayak]

I think parser still links infobox as "Communications" though

[digital helm]

Was thinking that too... Part of the iteration process, originally weren't identical 😄

[digital helm]

You're right. I've just fixed it

[languid kayak]

Although now that I think of, there might be a case where "Communications" might be preferred, as in it's "Communications item", vs "Communication", as in using game systems to communicate with others (voice chats, written text, Discord etc.). Might be me overthinking it though 😄

[digital helm]

Similar to electronics

[languid kayak]

though reverse would be the same I guess so 🙃

explosives is plural too

and sports

and Ears, but that's expected 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Ears

[digital helm]

communications and electronics were the 2 I was struggling with. All the others were clearly just pluralised. The point was being able to say this is a 'sport' item and simplify linking to it

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Electronics is plural

[digital helm]

yep 😄

But then something like Instrument is singular

[languid kayak]

It's Musical Instrument when shown in-game too

Key links to Security and is not visible in the navbar too

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sport is singular

[digital helm]

Why'd you have to tell me that's too long

[languid kayak]

intsrument is fine 😄 Musical would be too

though the latter would sound like a musical, as in show 😛

[languid kayak]

actually, it is in navbar, under Security 🤔

[digital helm]

Same reason as this #pzwiki_editing message 😄 I'll fix it

[languid kayak]

here's how it looks ingame

I think secutity may be preferred, in case we'd get some keycards or pincodes or whatever elements that need to be placed as a "key" somewhere down the line

[digital helm]

Combination lock for example

Originally it was just going to be the types/categories (Clothing, Weapon, Key, Normal, etc.) but that seemed too confusing for the reader, and isn't very well organised

[languid kayak]

btw, all the red links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animal_part – I wonder if animals could be automated in the future 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Vail already working on that

[digital helm]

Already there 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_7

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug – can this be bumped to 42.10 btw?

[digital helm]

I'll check and bump it. Will be a minute

[languid kayak]

I also have to go now, but maybe I'll work on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_maintenance then – I suppose this has to be done manually, right? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_maintenance – if you have any pointers, feel free to leave it 😄

Then it'll be just https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Food and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Furniture left.

Food is actually the one with most IDs missing (marked with *) in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Food (I suppose these needs splitting?)

Also noticed you renamed the Key to Security, make sure to move it alphabetically too 😛

Okay, will take care of the rest either later today or tomorrow, depends whether I do patrolling first 😄

[digital helm]

Automating vehicle maintenance wasn't finished. I wouldn't waste your time doing it manually. Everything is set up except uninstall/install, because

[rotund echo]

Vehicle parts...

Here's to Mechanics grind trauma

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Debug&diff=1102609&oldid=1102607 added about too, but I guess it won't be overriden?

(by a script)

[digital helm]

Nope. You'll see bot flags wrapping what'll be replaced. These are around each of these tables

<!-- Bot_flag|type=debug_item_list|id=debug -->
<!-- Bot_flag_end|type=debug_item_list|id=debug -->

Also, I'd put about beneath the navbar. Functionally the same as header

[languid kayak]

done https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug

Page Version is still above, right?

[languid kayak]

(should be a reply to this)

[digital helm]

Yeah. Hoping to look at this during the review

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle#Vehicles is it okay for the subheader to be called pretty much the same as the page @digital helm?

If not, what should we change it for? I am going to link it from Engine page which I'm updating now 😛

Previously was it it seems https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles#Available_vehicles

[digital helm]

It kinda needs to. we have vehicles and trailers. Not sure what else you'd call it

[languid kayak]

Maybe cars?

Since it's just cars for now?

If we'd get motorbikes, bikes, boats, whatever, they'd get new category that way. Trucks could too, if we'd get it

As in semi-trucks

[languid kayak]

(reply to this)

[digital helm]

Automobiles

kidding 😄

[languid kayak]

I wasn't sure now 😄

With all the difference between US/UK spelling 😄

[digital helm]

Cars isn't really used in-game. Just car wreck, and car key was changed to vehicle key iirc

Also a step van isn't a car

[languid kayak]

makes sense then, what we have curreny are cars (hence car wrecks), but in future if we'd get another type of vehicle that'd use the same type of key (hence vehicle key)

[languid kayak]

this one mostly 🙁

[digital helm]

I'd personally just stick with Vehicles. I think avoiding using the page title directly, but this is a plural, which implies a list

Also have "List of vehicles" 😆

I don't love it

[languid kayak]

Maybe? Though we have this too 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Car_Battery

[digital helm]

🤷 I don't like either tbh

[languid kayak]

Okay, updated the engine page now, one thing I'm not 100% sure so marked with verify, but I believe it's true? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Engine#How_often_an_engine_shuts_off_in_a_minute

Actually, it's time not times 😄 Let me change that

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Engine#Shutoff_chance

[languid kayak]

Updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spare_Engine_Parts – some parts of the page (namely) the text in usage is kinda duplicated on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Engine#Repairing but I kept it as is for now

@proud cobalt I noticed you changed the GUIDs of media; are the old ones not used anymore in b42? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Operation_Fort_Knox&diff=next&oldid=1085299

Just noticed that one user translated https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mother's_Boy/ru&oldid=1086407 shortly before b42 bump 😅

[flat sun]

the GUID of the media and the GUID of the media's display name are separate

so both are accurate, but this one is probably the useful one

[languid kayak]

That's what I though, now the question whether we want to keep both? I remember Ksilem was using them back then. Pinging @proud cobalt and @serene sage as a project leader for lore for throughs.

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak why make it low case ?

[naive imp]

Agreed. Stick with vehicles in case something like the previously mentioned is added

Remember, keep it simple stupid. We don't need to separate them by Van, hatch, sedan/saloon, SUV, etc etc

Leaving it as vehicles simplifies it while making the most sense

[naive imp]

Policy is for things to be sentence case aside from proper nouns and the like

This also includes headers.

[flint vapor]

👌

[languid kayak]

actually was wondering about it too, I think it was never discussed, but I believe the names in about should follow the sentence case? It's just page titles that start with uppercase.

We kinda have no policy for it yet, so probably something we should unify in a month in a 2025 PZwiki Review

[languid kayak]

yeah, my thinking too 😄 Probably should just have to make it clear in the style guide

[languid kayak]

That'd be the last thing I'd want lol. Separating them by hand. It's just Vehicle#Vehicles looked weird, but it is what it is 🤷

[naive imp]

It is in the style guide I thought?

Or maybe you corrected me once and just thought it was?

[languid kayak]

I instinctively corrected it to follow what was in my head, not sure if it's explicitly written in the style guide? We generally follow sentence case when appropriate, but not explicitly talking about the {{About}} template

[naive imp]

Then just make "vehicle" a redirect to "vehicles". Then we don't have to put [[vehicles|vehicle]]

[naive imp]

Well that's usually sentence case anyway because of the grammar of the text

[naive imp]

Well we separated items like that lol idk

[languid kayak]

That's already done, I just meant the section link: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle#Vehicles

@flint vapor why https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Model_(mannequin) and not simply https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Model ? Any future collisions planned?

The new mannequin paraemters are not in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_modding so I guess they should be added there? Unless you think a new infobox in lieu of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_Lua_objects should be made for these?

[flint vapor]

Alreasy collisions

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Model_(scripts)

[languid kayak]

so maybe the scripts can be moved to simply Model?

[flint vapor]

Eh

There's a lot of model stuff, possibly more in the future

[languid kayak]

so a redirect to disambig then?

[flint vapor]

There's 2 model pages, if one doesn't have the disamb that will make things confusing ?

That's the point of disamb, whenever you have two pages named the same

[languid kayak]

and both are model; people searching through model won't end up in any page directly now 🤔

[flint vapor]

Yea so it needs a disamb sure

In modding there's a fuck ton of page names that clash like that